cpus-mobo-and-memory

[grizzled bloom]

Because the riptide doesn't, the other 2 do

It's good for running a secondary monitor off of

[raw crest]

no but i think am gonna get the msi it's meet my needs plus i got a good deal on it

but the PCIe gen 5 doesn't matter right? bec the msi has gen 4

[grizzled bloom]

Not in the slightest

No GPU uses 5.0 yet and no consumer needs a 5.0 drive

Even when GPUs do eventually have 5.0 it'll run perfectly fine on 4.0

The 4090 barely uses half the 4.0 x16 bandwidth

[burnt spear]

What is the budget for the whole build?

The riptide is just a bit nicer, has some better features but it's really going to be the same computer as long as you don't get a dirt cheap board

Eagle ax, gaming plus wifi, pro rs/pro rs wifi, hdv, x ax v2, ud ac, livemixer, tons of cheap good options

This is a general idea for a 7800x3d list
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DvMdsh

[silent parrot]

is the ex900 nice

as an ssd

its cheap and the reviews show its better than a nm620 which sucks but thats really good for it being so cheap

(90$)

[burnt spear]

I'm not sure, looks like it's new

I'm gonna do some research though

Fx900 pro is great, it's top tier gen 4

[silent parrot]

also research the kolink regulator

i cant find anything on it

[burnt spear]

Oh

It's fake gen 4

3300mbps

[silent parrot]

my other other ssd is fake gen 3 ;c

[burnt spear]

No

Hard pass

[silent parrot]

why

[burnt spear]

Kolink

[silent parrot]

are you saying garbage

[burnt spear]

Yes

[silent parrot]

kolink isnt THAT bad

you are brand over modeling rn

[burnt spear]

Slightly yes

But there's exceptions to that rule

Biostar for example

Gamesmax psus

Raid max psus

[silent parrot]

why not apevia

you should exception apevia

[burnt spear]

Apevia isn't my favorite, I try to avoid them but in some cases, like budget builds a psu that's been reviewed to be safe is fine with me. The regulator isn't on a tier list

[silent parrot]

yea

ik

also budget just go with the bn

the bn price rose tho

so thats sad

eh its prob bad

[burnt spear]

This is my budget pick rn
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/NBYRsY/corsair-cx-2023-750-w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-cp-9020279-na

Also any non mainstream brand cheap high power unit is a red flag to me honestly

Might be a bit biased of me

[burnt spear]

This is C tier atx 3.0

[silent parrot]

so is the a-bn

bn slightly more tho

nvm alot more

wow

why did they raise the price so much

i got my a750-gf for 60$ tho (:

[burnt spear]

my 850 gt was 50, b stock from evga

currently doing fine but the highest load it's seen is 500w from my 13600k/3060 ti

more than half that was the cpu lmao

[silent parrot]

cool

well i didnt have the patience for a god deal

just for a really good one

[burnt spear]

agf 750 at 60 is great

gt is b tier, agf is a tier

you arguably got the better deal lol

[silent parrot]

oh i thoughr they were both a

it was actually 70 and a 10$ rebate i WILL use

bc i buy pc stuff

[covert cloud]

guys do you think the price of the 7800x3d will go down soon? It has been increasing for the past couple of weeks

[burnt spear]

That or new x3d soon, idk

Soon being within a few months

[covert cloud]

but I heard that the new x3d is Ryzen 5 is that right?

[cursive epoch]

it is, and that's on am4

new x3d bacca is talking about is 9000 series actually

[cerulean wadi]

You're right,but what Fal said
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/amd-launches-ryzen-5-7600x3d-microcenter-exclusive-six-core-zen-4-cpu-with-game-boosting-3d-v-cache

[cursive epoch]

o

[halcyon relic]

Hypothetically, if someone were to get a b650 with a 7800x3d and get ddr5 6000 but it is not supported from the motherboard, what could potential issues be? Could it still work as "normal" but then randomly start having stutters?

[grizzled bloom]

6000 works on about 95% of AM5 builds. Occasionally you get one that doesn't want to do it, and in those cases what you see is random crashing and/or very poor performance.

I don't know of any B650 boards that don't support 6000 also, except for OEM ones like HP and Dell.

Even the cheapest one, the ASRock B650M-H/M.2+, which you should not buy, supports 6400

[halcyon relic]

not necessarily talking about the speed

I am looking at a motherboard manual for a friend who has been having some issues on a cpu/mb/ram upgrade

and i was looking through the supported memory list and the ram he isnt using a "supported" mem

[grizzled bloom]

Did Windows get reinstalled after the upgrade, and the chipset drivers installed? There's a known bug where you get weird performance issues if you use an old Windows install.

The QVL isn't a definitive list, it's just the ones they tested

[halcyon relic]

Windows did get reinstalled, and I believe the chipset drivers got installed but not 100% the first time. went through another fresh install with him today and saw that he did

[potent dew]

So how do I look for a DDR5 kit with the fastest timings?

Looking at 64G kits that are at > 6000MHz and the price goes up fast

Here's what I currently have

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/H9CZxr/teamgroup-t-create-expert-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-ctced532g6000hc30dc01

[dull flint]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cMgrxr/silicon-power-xpower-zenith-gaming-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-su064gxlwu60afdesk

TL;DR going for higher end 64gb produces no meaningful speed difference

Between H16A and H16M, M is faster at tighter timings and lower frequency but much hotter, so H16M can work better at lower speeds

The result is both are comparably about the same in speed, so seeking better than ^above is meaningless

You can meet in the middle with H24M and 48GB but you will lose 16GB, in exchange for much faster possible speed (Not easy to OC tho)

[past rain]

would there be a difference if i would to switch to 2 sticks of 32gb ram each if i have 4 sticks of 8gb each 32gb in total

[tropic moat]

Hi folks yesterday my ssd got busted which was a (m2.gen 2 ssd sata ) so bought a crucial p3 plus 1 tb and the issue is I couldn't find the drive partition during the windows install

I am pretty sure that this has something to with bios compatibility of my board and pci gen slot

My current config is amd ryzen5 3600 running of asrock b450 steel legend with current bios p3.40 amd agesa 4 combo ..... 1.0.0.6 can some one please help with some insights on this

[meager elbow]

Is it detected in bios?

Usually PCIe devices (including m.2 nvme SSDs) are backwards and forwards compatible

Which is why you can stick a 4090 on like a machine that released with Windows XP (like a Pentium 4 system)

Can technically even use it on PCI

Just need an adapter

[tropic moat]

Nope it ain't visible in bios and all of other videos in yt show that a bios update did make them detectable but i am pretty much stumped on what bios should I jump without bricking the board

[meager elbow]

Do you have any other m.2 slots

[hollow thorn]

Are you using any SATA devices? On the b450 steel legend, the second m.2 slot shares lanes with some sata ports

[meager elbow]

Also I'm assuming that the drive is m.2

[tropic moat]

Yup I have two one ultra m2 and one normal m2 tried both of em

[meager elbow]

Ok yeah m.2

[tropic moat]

Yup read that the case Is I only have a sata hdd which is unplugged

[meager elbow]

Looking at the bios releases, I don't see any that reference a fix for m.2 SSDs

[hollow thorn]

Can you try updating bios to the newest non-beta version, 4.6, anyways?

[tropic moat]

Yup the only catch here is the bios update can do well and can make the board read a ryzen 7 and can make the ryzen 5 3600 the current cpu I have unusable

https://youtu.be/8VS-u_ZrgVs?si=0Sw1axIPjh5uLvwt

Is that the case with asrock boards?

[hollow thorn]

It should only lose compatibility with 1xxx series, 3600 should be just fine

[tropic moat]

Like this guys video he got a bunch of new settings on storage configuration after a bios update

[hollow thorn]

And 2xxxg

Can't open link rn

[tropic moat]

Yup I also had the same stream of thoughts

I will let you know how this goes thanks for the insights buds

[hollow thorn]

Yea as the bios page states, don't update if Pinnacle, Raven or Summit Ridge CPU, which is 1xxx, 2xxx, and the zen APU

[potent dew]

What are H16A and H16M?

[hollow thorn]

Should be Hynix 16gbit A die and Hynix 16gbit M die

[potent dew]

oh

[dull flint]

@grizzled bloom @burnt spear just learned that most am5 boards don't support sata nvme

Asrock b650e/x670e do

Just a heads up

[grizzled bloom]

*sata M.2
And yeah I learned that one the hard way

[dull flint]

Ye

[scenic solar]

found some i5 9400f on aliexpress going for 45 to 55 euro. That's even lower than most used ones online. Is that legit? The one €45 is on discount and many positive reviews... should I trust?

As well as one i5 9600kf for €70

I get they're old cpus but still capable for more budget builds

[dim cloak]

9400f does have its limits but that's any generation after a few years, I wouldn't doubt that pricing being legit as it was a staple for most pre builds and budget builds then, I know someone that daily drives my old 9400f (vr minimum for me at the time) back when i first got it in 2019 and with a R5 4500 at sub $80 most of the time and having roughly a bit more performance uplift

[burnt spear]

@dull flint how do we feel about this
https://www.ebay.com/itm/156370327914?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=92chrSivS8C&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[limber dragon]

Wouldn't there be a solid chance the cpu is locked to the mobo? Ryzen pro on a lenovo thing

[silent parrot]

yea

[dull flint]

Yeah likely would be, with that caveat known and accepted by the buyer tho, it's not bad @burnt spear

Quite good tbh

[dim cloak]

roughly the same performance of a Ryzen 7 5800 give or take

[dull flint]

NonX ye

[grizzled bloom]

Single thread is like the 5800X but multi is like the 5700X

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/5006vs3869vs4814/AMD-Ryzen-7-PRO-5845-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-5800X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-5700X

[burnt spear]

$550 for a "5700x" 3060 build isn't bad

Think I'd take the 13400f one over this tho

That one at least has more upgradability

[wise phoenix]

how long should I run testmem5 to check if my memory is doing alright?

[dull flint]

Minimum 3 cycles for anta777

10 would be pretty thorough

Pcb destroyer you clock by hours

So I'd say, 10 hours?

For that one would be pretty thorough

Depends how many gb ram you're working with

Each 16gb adds a fair amount of time

Everything I said above refers to 32gb

[wise phoenix]

oh okay, I currently have 16gb

3600mhz 8x2gb corsair vengeance lpx

so should I divide everything you say by 2?

so 5 hours would be good?

[dull flint]

Same story, just half the time

Yeah basically

[wise phoenix]

alright, thanks man

[dull flint]

5 hours of pcb destroyer would be thorough

What's wrong with the pc?

Just rq

[wise phoenix]

everytime I use the xmp profile of the ram, Im encountering multiple issues, bsod with video internal memory, checkerboard patterns appearing even with non chromium browsers, usually it wasnt an issue because I can do just fine with the base clock, but since I am planning to buy another 16gb I figured find out what's wrong with this pair currently

[dull flint]

Interesting

These things don't appear at default speed?

Ooo

Ok I might know what this is

[wise phoenix]

o sorry that wasnt allowed

[dull flint]

You're all g

I think you're on the right track

[wise phoenix]

but yes it doesnt appear at default speed

[dull flint]

Turn on xmp and do the test

If it gets even 1 error, don't use them

Go get a 32gb kit

Mixing corsair kits is a recipe for disaster with the way they make them

Even if it's the exact same product

Underneath they mix parts up

[wise phoenix]

I forgot to ask, what's pcb destroyer? is that a config? cause im currently using anta extreme profile

[dull flint]

So no two kits are identical unless they're made the same time

[dull flint]

It's a configuration file for testmem5

As is anta777 extreme

Have a look here

https://www.overclock.net/threads/memory-testing-with-testmem5-tm5-with-custom-configs.1751608/

Configs in the links

You need to load up the config into the program before you start

It'll show like, 16 tests?

Instead of the default 5

Now, once you sort the ram problem out

I would take a look at your windows

Consider a DDU

?ddu

[silk jungle]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[dull flint]

^

Then do sfc /scannow to try to resolve errors

A full reinstall could be in order

Reason being is ram corruption is hard to reverse in an existing install if it's too deep

But worry about that later

I think you're on the right track

Your blue screens seem like video driver corruption, which could very well be triggered by bad ram

Give the test a shot

[wise phoenix]

ohh okay okay, thanks a lot for the information, I'll get right into it

[dull flint]

Np

Worth my 5 minutes of input probably

See what you find tho

[wise phoenix]

did all of the stuff, so far here are my stats:

========= TestMem5 Log File =========
Customize: PCBDestroyer @Mechan0
The program in compatibility mode,
need to run with Administrator privileges!
Start testing at 22:42, 960Mb x12
Testing completed in 1:27.58, no errors.

========= TestMem5 Log File =========
Customize: PCBDestroyer @Mechan0
The program in compatibility mode,
need to run with Administrator privileges!
Start testing at 22:42, 960Mb x12
Testing completed in 1:27.58, no errors.

========= TestMem5 Log File =========
Customize: Extreme1 @anta777
The program in compatibility mode,
need to run with Administrator privileges!
Start testing at 0:11, 1Gb x12
Testing completed in 2:01.15, no errors.

========= TestMem5 Log File =========
Customize: PCBDestroyer @Mechan0
Start testing at 10:37, 960Mb x12
Testing completed in 1:26.59, no errors.

I also did the sfc scannow and it did not find any integrity violations, what's weird is when I play games(specifically minecraft) it still crashes on the 3600mhz, but does fine on the base clock, I'm gonna be able to get the new 8x2gb ram on sunday and I'll do another benchmark then, maybe I didn't run the testmem5 enough, if I still get errors with the new ram then maybe the issue is with my graphics card, and I might have to resort to underclocking or something

[dull flint]

@wise phoenix try the DDU tutorial I linked above

Remember to use safe mode otherwise it won't work properly

[wise phoenix]

I have done that as well, I also followed some extra instructions like disabling the network adapter, and installing the chipset necessary, unfortunately the problem still persists

[shy knoll]

I need help finding the updater for my motherboard, an Asrock Z790 Riptide Wifi

[grizzled bloom]

I do not recommend using auto installer, but here it is. https://download.asrock.com/Utility/Others/AutoDriverInstaller(v2.0.0.6).zip
It's all the same drivers as this page. https://pg.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z790 Riptide WiFi/index.asp#Download

[dull flint]

Hm. Try setting the ram to 3200 MHz and your FCLK (infinity fabric) to 1600MHz in bios

[pine agate]

where can i ask for help about my pc not posting anything

[vast meadow]

Here or #building-and-recc-chat is fine

[pine agate]

its ok i was dumb as hell

I was testing my ryzen 5 2600 before putting it on a case

I forgot I needed a gpu for it to post

smh

thank you tho!

its working now

[vast meadow]

All good happens to the best of us

[wise phoenix]

this is working for me, I'll still keep playing to ensure that it's not just a fluke, but so far it is indeed working. Thanks man

is there a way to "brute force" or stress test my gpu so that I know if it will have issues? like testmem5 but for gpus

[shy knoll]

Thanks, but ew Windows 11

Does the OS version actually matter?

Oh, it's both, the search filter just hides the one irrelevant to the filter

[grizzled bloom]

You can try occt, or looping time spy. Those will catch common errors.

[shy knoll]

You don't recommend using auto-installer, but there is no other option, right?

[grizzled bloom]

You can install the drivers individually

[shy knoll]

Oh I see, you don't recommend using the auto install feature

[grizzled bloom]

Right

The program literally named auto installer

[shy knoll]

Thanks

[dull flint]

Just want to clarify which cpu is this?

[shy knoll]

This is all that is in the zip file:

And this is the resulting installation

[wise phoenix]

Ryzen 5 3600
Gigabyte B550M DS3H AC
Corsair Vengeance LPX 8x2GB 3600Mhz
RTX 3060 Ti

[dull flint]

Very possible that either the board or CPU is holding you back on hitting 3600

FCLK silicon limit

3600 isn't guaranteed on zen 2

You could try your hand at a little overclocking to fix that but honestly running a stable 3200 profile should feel about as fast anyway

The small uptick in fclk won't do much, not in the context of xmp

[wise phoenix]

I see, well so far I'm satisfied the gpu isn't the issue, and I guess I'm alright with sacrificing a few frames deduction as long as the system is much more stable now

Thanks for the help man

[dull flint]

Ye

It's possible you could do 3600 but you'd need to run a lot more tests so it's all good

Last thing

You mentioned you have another 16gb coming right?

If I'm right then I'd highly suggest not adding 16gb more of corsair

That brand is notorious for using like, every manufacturer under the sun to make ram chips

And every ram chip runs quite a lot differently to another type, making compatibility a nightmare**

So you have very high odds of mixing with that brand specifically

If you want 32gb, I'd suggest a whole new 32gb kit and selling the current 16gb, you'll break even with more money in the pocket anyway

Food for thought @wise phoenix , otherwise glad to have helped

[wise phoenix]

I'll probably do this, don't wanna risk breaking anything more, so far im currently eyeing the G-Skill Ripjaws 16gb ddr4 3200mhz, is that any good?

[dull flint]

Ye if you want a new kit, go get a 2x16 or 4x8 set

Silicon power is good, so is teamgroup

They sell 32gb for $50

You can sell your current vengeance for like, $20-$30

[wise phoenix]

alright, I'll probably look for those, hopefully it's available here

[dull flint]

What country?

I'll know pretty quick

[wise phoenix]

Philippines

[dull flint]

Ooo, no silicon power I don't think

Look for KLEVV

Mushkin

Team group

G skill

Uh

V color

[wise phoenix]

so far I found team group and G skill, maybe I can find others as well

[dull flint]

Yeah that should be most of them

Ye those are the ones I'd call pretty solid

Just any old 32gb 3200MHz kit really

Cheap as you can find it that you don't mind using

[wise phoenix]

Alright, got it, thanks again man, glad to have solved this issue

[dull flint]

No worries

[split vigil]

Any updates on the Meteor Lake situation

[dull flint]

Not anything massively significant atm

[stuck basin]

Hey ya'll. So a friend of mine is having an issue upgrading an existing build. The specs before upgrade were:

Asrock B550M Pro4
x2 8GB Crucial 3200Mhz DDR4
650W PSU
GTX 1660Ti```

He was upgrading his CPU to a ryzen 7 5800x and after upgrading, he now has both DRAM and CPU error lights on his motherboard. We tried clearing CMOS, we updated the BIOS before installing the new CPU, we put back in the original CPU as well and now get the same error

[burnt spear]

Sure you cleared cmos right?

Side not, if cpu is returnable I would

[stuck basin]

powered down the PC, power cycled it, unplugged from wall, pulled out the CMOS for about 10 min, put it back in, then powered back on

[burnt spear]

5600 cheaper and within 5% in gaming, 5700x cheaper, much cooler, 2% worse, 5700x3d $210 and 20% better in games

As for current issue

[stuck basin]

i got the 5800x on a 60% discount. otherwise i wouldbe gotten a 5700x

[burnt spear]

You def cleared cmos right. I'd double check cpus pins, try booting with a single stick of ram

[burnt spear]

How much was that?

[stuck basin]

100$

[burnt spear]

Oh nice

Mb on the above

[stuck basin]

cpu pins are all straight. have tried running with a single stick of ram (using both sticks)

[stuck basin]

np

[burnt spear]

Does he have an adequate cooler for it?

[stuck basin]

its the stock wraith cooler

[burnt spear]

Would def need something much stronger, 5800x is either hottest or second hottest cpu on am4

But that shouldn't stop it from booting

[stuck basin]

but in theory it should still post regardless

[burnt spear]

Hmm

I'd suspect bios didn't flash fully, or it needs to be updated to something inbetween first, and then to current

[stuck basin]

but how can we re-flash it if we cant get the pc to boot even w the old CPU

[burnt spear]

Yeah...

What's the bios version you tried flashing to?

And would you happen to know what the old one was?

[meager elbow]

Is there a bios flashback

[burnt spear]

Also, I don't think it does, but did you check for- that^

[stuck basin]

3.40 is the bios we flashed to

[meager elbow]

Button

[stuck basin]

no there is no flashback button

[meager elbow]

Welp

[stuck basin]

default BIOS was P1.10

1.20 added 5000 series support

[burnt spear]

I'm honestly not sure. How long did you wait after dram/cpu lights turned on for it to boot?

It could take a few min to memory train potentially?

[stuck basin]

2-4 min

[burnt spear]

Maybe try again and give it ~10

Can't hurt at least

Other than that I don't really have any ideas

[stuck basin]

i mean the only gaurantee i can think of is new motherboard ready for 5000 series

nothing crazy but something thatll do

[burnt spear]

That's true

[burnt spear]

I'd give it a shot first tho

[stuck basin]

yep gonna do it rn

[burnt spear]

Would you be buying new?

[stuck basin]

hed be buying a new mobo then yea

[burnt spear]

I'd say one of these
Barebones, has a bios flashback button
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kthmP6/asus-prime-b450m-a-ii-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-prime-b450m-a-ii

Cheap ok b550
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4mjNnQ/asrock-b550-phantom-gaming-4-atx-am4-motherboard-b550-phantom-gaming-4

With wifi
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Ytdrxr/asrock-b550-phantom-gaming-4ac-atx-am4-motherboard-b550-phantom-gaming-4ac

Nicer b550
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JVJgXL/msi-b550-gaming-gen3-atx-am4-motherboard-b550-gaming-gen3

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PDsnTW/msi-b550m-pro-vdh-wifi-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550m-pro-vdh-wifi

[meager elbow]

Would be weird but ram slot could be dead, and you could try another slot
Or try clearing cmos again, and using the 3200g with the MOBO display out, and everything else unplugged (only PSU, MOBO, cpu + cooler, one stick of ram, and the display) to see if that outputs properly

[stuck basin]

i mean the lights on the ram both power on. I took out the PGU completely for testing right off the bat and have the display out from the IO

but yea. currently re-clearing cmos again. i'll test the ram running for 10 min after that with the default config minus the GPU

[meager elbow]

but yeah, if neither of my ideas dont work, idk what else could solve this issue lmao

[stuck basin]

i mean the only sure thing would be a new mobo

[meager elbow]

if you do suspect that it's the bios, you could get an eprom programmer to flash the bios externally

[stuck basin]

but yea. Hopefully something fixes itself in the next 10 min. if not new mobo

but i appreciate ya'lls help

[grizzled bloom]

You can buy a cheap, old CPU to get it to POST and update the BIOS

I'm a little late to the party here but if it's AM4 then a 1500X would do the trick

[stuck basin]

yea we just went w a new mobo

and a new cooler as well

[burnt spear]

What cooler?

[stuck basin]

https://www.newegg.com/be-quiet-pure-rock-2/p/13C-001F-00038?Item=13C-001F-00038

[burnt spear]

That won't do it

[stuck basin]

its better than the wraith

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GpbRsY/thermalright-phantom-spirit-120-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-ps120se

Same price

Much better

It thermal throttles with any single tower

[stuck basin]

sorry pasted the wrong link

https://www.newegg.com/be-quiet-dark-rock-pro-5/p/13C-001F-00070

[burnt spear]

That's good but 2.5x the price of this for same perf

[stuck basin]

i had a 50$ newegg gift card

[burnt spear]

This for a similar aesthetic
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BRMMnQ/thermalright-phantom-spirit-evo-69-cfm-cpu-cooler-phantom-spirit-120-evo

Then one src

[hollow thorn]

oh drp5? didn't realize there was a fifth

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TgzXsY/jonsbo-cr-3000-argb-5948-cfm-cpu-cooler-cr-3000-argb-black

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TXXJ7P/montech-metal-dt24-base-69-cfm-cpu-cooler-metal-dt24-base

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/g7pQzy/scythe-fuma-3-6762-cfm-cpu-cooler-scfm-3000

[stuck basin]

yea. she's beefy

the dpr5 should do the trick no?

[burnt spear]

Yes, just costs a good bit more to accomplish the same thing

Your money either way, just my suggestion

[stuck basin]

yea i appreciate it

[meager elbow]

the issue was that they had a cpu that originally worked, decided to upgrade the cpu, so they did a bios update, and now both cpus dont work, so it may be a failed bios update or something
no bios flashback on the mobo either

[grizzled bloom]

Ah

Guessing cmos was cleared too

[meager elbow]

yeah, all the standard troubleshooting steps have been done from what i've seen

from clearing cmos to single stick of ram, and reseating the cpu

[grizzled bloom]

Bad flash is possible, but what was the old CPU

And was it the latest version they flashed?

I guess it's pointless by now to ask

[meager elbow]

yeah lmao

3200g or smth like that

b550 mobo

[meager elbow]

latest non-beta bios yeah

[grizzled bloom]

Yep I got nothing then

RIP mobo

(rest in pieces)

[distant gulch]

Woop woop

[wind karma]

Not sure if someone's posted this already but

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/1fckzm5/devastated_day_ruined/

[meager elbow]

Yeah I saw somebody post this morning

Felix talked about it

Might have been fingertips that sent it

[cerulean wadi]

A similar incident was probably posted 20 years ago, just zif-pga combined with amateurs not heating the cpu 1st, hehe.

[grizzled bloom]

Except this redditor claims he did run a stress test to heat it up, then hit the heatsink with a hairdryer before trying to twist the cooler off. All of which is good practice.

I'll admit I've ripped a couple CPUs out of the socket. It's never been THAT bad though, where it takes the socket with it.

[cerulean wadi]

Interesting. Burgler is a prankster and put crazy glue into their paste, idk.

[long scaffold]

Should I go ahead and download windows or wait until I have my gpu

I have ryzen 7 7800 x3d

CPU

[grizzled bloom]

Up to you. If that's the only thing missing you might as well get it set up imo.

[long scaffold]

Will it interstate anything when I install my gpu

[grizzled bloom]

You can just pop in the new GPU and install the drivers

No conflict or anything to worry about

[long scaffold]

Okay bet

And with no gpu can I go ahead and download my games and stuff or should that wait

[long scaffold]

^

[grizzled bloom]

You can download games, sure

[long scaffold]

And that won’t mess anything up either ?

[grizzled bloom]

Old games might get confused but anything from the last 15 years or so will just auto detect the new GPU

[long scaffold]

Oh ok bet

[sudden creek]

My friend has a laptop (Model: G513QY-SG15.R96800) from ROG that has been seeing temperatures in the high 90s and experiences random crashes mostly during gaming. Do you guys think it is due to thermal issues?

[grizzled bloom]

Could be. That's the thermal limit on a lot of laptops. You could try undervolting.

[sudden creek]

Both CPU and GPU are in the 90c during gaming.

[cursive epoch]

sounds like it's due for a repaste

i'd clean the fans

stuff like that

they use lm tho, so that's an ordeal to redo

[grizzled bloom]

Oh that's one of the liquid metal models? Yikes. Those are known to just die when the lm leaks.

[sudden creek]

Jesus that makes this a hard one.

Also her laptop has been used for about two years now.

Just use regular compressed air for cleaning out the pc yes? And give it a couple minutes for every thing to cool off/dry.

[kind swift]

Need assistance please 🙂 someone local to me is selling a 7600x. What is a fair used price to offer? This is in Canadian dollars as well.

[hollow thorn]

~150-200cad should be fine, but you might want to look around for recent listings near you for recent prices for the used market

[cerulean wadi]

If blowing fans area, try to use something to hold the fans so they don't get spun too fast

[sudden creek]

Understood.

Also while I know to hold the fans down, why are we supposed to do this? Is it because static electricity might be produced from the fans spinning or?

[dull flint]

Too much rpm can destroy the bearings

Too much internal inertia and outward pressure from high rpm

Cracking, broken grindy fans

[cursive epoch]

If the fans have a clutch in em, you'll be fine

But you never know so it's best practice to make sure they don't spin

[meager elbow]

stick shift fans ong

[dull flint]

https://tenor.com/view/shiftmaster-kung-fu-gear-shift-karate-driver-gif-17345116

[mystic inlet]

For a non gaming / work and school laptop would I be looking for more ram or ram speed ?

[cursive epoch]

wot

but anyway

with any tasks, i think 16gb is a minimum these days

16-32 is a good amount

[meager elbow]

ram speed doesnt really matter much in those cases

go with 16-32gb

16 should be plenty if all you're doing is notetaking and working on spreadsheets

[mystic inlet]

Thank you

[acoustic lynx]

I have a question, so the i9 14900k is like the "best" cpu so I've heard, then why does the 7800x3d have much better stats in tests on games?

[dull flint]

The answer isn't black and white is why

7800x3d is easily the best from a plug and play perspective

However the 13900K/KF/KS/14900K/KF/KS can all perform within a few % of it (better or worse) depending on how it's set up

If it's tuned really quick, bonkers ram, delidded, hell, throw it in a uber expensive dedicated cooling system like a phase change, it'll run rings around a 7800x3d

But in irony the 7800x3d is simply that good for so much less effort

[acoustic lynx]

Ngl idk what half of that means 😭

[dull flint]

Ya I imagine

[acoustic lynx]

What would you suggest getting?

[dull flint]

But all these things are essential to make the i9's as fast as the 7800x3d

Well it depends what you want the pc to do

[acoustic lynx]

Video games

[dull flint]

Easily the cheaper option

[burnt spear]

7600x3d, 7800x3d, or 7950x3d

[dull flint]

not 7950

Just single ccd

[burnt spear]

It's been within $50 of 7800x3d recently tho

[acoustic lynx]

is the 7950 better

[dull flint]

He won't have a need for the $50 tho

[burnt spear]

That's fair

[burnt spear]

For gaming they're near identical

[dull flint]

Better in the sense of 1 or 2%

[acoustic lynx]

Ah I gotcha

So go with the 7800?

[dull flint]

But not better in the sense of you spend 10% more

[burnt spear]

Do you have a microcenter nearby?

[dull flint]

Ye imo

[acoustic lynx]

I live in a small town

Lol

[burnt spear]

In the US?

[acoustic lynx]

Yes

Like

rly small

13k pop

[dull flint]

7800x3d also doesn't need a bonkers motherboard

[burnt spear]

There could be one nearby outside your town tho?

Unless you have already checked, I would

[acoustic lynx]

Ill check

[burnt spear]

They've a 7800x3d bundle for $600 or 7600x3d bundle for $450

[acoustic lynx]

Closest one is 4 hours

[dull flint]

If you're within maybe 1-2 hours of one, it'll be a bit justified

[burnt spear]

Sadge

[dull flint]

Welp

[burnt spear]

Nearest to me is just about the same distance

Felix how close are you to one

Should be driving distance, right?

[dull flint]

About 28 hours

[burnt spear]

So yeah, driving distance

through the pacific ocean

[dull flint]

Oh driving distance?

93 hours

[acoustic lynx]

Alright well thank yall, I think I'm gonna go with the 7800

I appreciate it

[burnt spear]

Oh lightwork

[dull flint]

Next question is what screen size you want to play at

[burnt spear]

Have you heard of pcpartpicker.com?

[acoustic lynx]

Nope

[burnt spear]

It makes building a pc list very easy

What's your budget for the full pc, if you don't have anything alr?

[dull flint]

Better yet gimme a budget

We do it in 5 minutes

[acoustic lynx]

Okay so I have a pc I built myself

[dull flint]

Research not required

[acoustic lynx]

My bday was yesterday and my mom got me a 4070 super

[burnt spear]

W mom

[dull flint]

Solid

[acoustic lynx]

So I was gonna upgrade my cpu

[burnt spear]

What's your current cpu?

[acoustic lynx]

Absolutely

[dull flint]

She bought the best nvidia card wth

[burnt spear]

Real

[dull flint]

Your mom might be better at it than us

[acoustic lynx]

Ryzen 7 5700X

[burnt spear]

Lmao

[dull flint]

Justified

Though 5700x is solid enough

[burnt spear]

If you wanted to keep it, it isn't the worst pairing with a 4070 super, but you would see a difference with a cpu upgrade

[dull flint]

Yeah 5700x is solid

[burnt spear]

Imo I'd wait at least a little while. Cpu prices, at least for x3d, recently went up

[acoustic lynx]

Yes, the main reason for the upgrade is bc I play a lot of arma 3

Which is like

Nearly all cpu

[dull flint]

That's fair

[burnt spear]

7800x3d was $310-360 for a good while

Now up to $420

[dull flint]

@acoustic lynx what's your total budget for this

You could do this for like, $640-660

Anything lower I probably wouldn't bother tbh

[burnt spear]

Ex https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FqPQN6

[acoustic lynx]

I dont rly have one ngl

[dull flint]

Bacca that list is not Christian

[burnt spear]

That's why I linked it smh

I'm jewish remember

[dull flint]

He will be cursed by demons

[burnt spear]

Or blessed by the jews

[dull flint]

The Lord will forsake his minecraft servers

[burnt spear]

One of the two

[dull flint]

Why is it only 6's and 9's

[burnt spear]

I mean, you could do cheaper than the list I linked, or more expensive

[dull flint]

Ye

[burnt spear]

That mobo is a solid board, nothing special but am5 boards are very "overbuilt"

[dull flint]

Not a whole lot cheaper tho to justify the upgrade

[burnt spear]

Meaning even a lot of cheap boards can support the best cpus without issue

[acoustic lynx]

https://www.newegg.com/asus-rog-strix-b550-f-gam-wif/p/N82E16813119311?Item=N82E16813119311

Thats my current board

[burnt spear]

$130 is where ok boards start

[acoustic lynx]

I'm not very nowledgeable on how mother boards work

[dull flint]

$636, or really, about $627 would be the floor for 7800x3d rn

[burnt spear]

If you want to get creme de la creme or whatever tf that weird expression is

[dull flint]

So they have a new platform now

[burnt spear]

B650e pg riptide wifi is basically as good as it gets

[dull flint]

Old board won't work

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Tz2WGX/asrock-b650e-pg-riptide-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-b650e-pg-riptide-wifi

[acoustic lynx]

Wdym

[dull flint]

Am4 is dead

[burnt spear]

You need a new cpu, mobo, and ram

[dull flint]

Am5 is now

Ddr5

It's not a drop in choice

[burnt spear]

Current mobo and ram won't work with 7000 series

[acoustic lynx]

How do I check what my ram is

[burnt spear]

It's ddr4

[dull flint]

ddr4

We just know lol

[burnt spear]

It's impossible to be anything else, it's all am4 supports

[acoustic lynx]

Oh

[burnt spear]

You could drop a 5700x3d in your mobo

Around 20% worse than 7800x3d

[dull flint]

Ya so $627 before tax is your entry price

[burnt spear]

And matches the ryzen 7600

[acoustic lynx]

I'm more outdated than I thought 😃 🔫

[dull flint]

5700x3d I kinda don't see all worth tho from 5700x

Ngl

[burnt spear]

I mean

[acoustic lynx]

Alr so

[burnt spear]

20% diff in games, especially being cpu heavy games

And could resell the 5700x for at least $120 or so

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3ZKscf/amd-ryzen-7-5700x3d-3-ghz-8-core-processor-100-100001503wof

[dull flint]

I guess if he did manage $120, that's an $80 difference

Ok you're talking me into it

[burnt spear]

$4 per %

[dull flint]

Ye

Could just to that if you didn't want to mess around

Update bios on motherboard first

Then swap cpu out

Away you go

Proviso is the 5700x is sold

And for a good price

[acoustic lynx]

Okay so

I think I'm just gonna upgrade everything lmao

7800

that mobo you sent

and new ram

[dull flint]

Use the link bacca sent for a list

[acoustic lynx]

Okie dokie

[dull flint]

This

It has all 3

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cCKscf/silicon-power-value-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-sp032gxlwu60afdeae

[dull flint]

And the places to buy from

[burnt spear]

If you want rgb
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2JLFf7/teamgroup-t-force-delta-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-ff3d532g6000hc30dc01

[dull flint]

I am pretty sure we have a cheaper atx option btw

[burnt spear]

Oh also, what cooler do you have? 7800x3d is super easy to cool

99% chance you can save it

[burnt spear]

Only non wifi or b650-s wifi

[acoustic lynx]

shi lemme check

[burnt spear]

So if you have ethernet could do a diff board

[acoustic lynx]

Do not have ethernet

[dull flint]

Nvm prices changed

Just buy the 3 we linked tbh, hard to beat that

Much nicer ram for another dollar
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bMfY89

And less unheavenly

☠️

[acoustic lynx]

is 32gb enough

or should I do 64

[dull flint]

32 is enough

[acoustic lynx]

Okay

[dull flint]

We aren't at the threshold for 48 or 64 yet

[acoustic lynx]

I planned on getting a new cooler anyways

[dull flint]

Don't need to

All am4 coolers work for am5

Plug and play

[acoustic lynx]

I know, but I want a new one

[dull flint]

Just get a small tube of arctic mx-6 for $7 and you're good to go

Oh well I can suggest a couple

Thermalright any single tower

Or thermalright peerless assassin/phantom spirit/frost commander

Anything else isn't worth it in US rn, and you won't need more

If you have a dual tower or 240mm or better aio I wouldn't change really

Single tower also works but I could understand wanting a bit more

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/khJp99/thermalright-assassin-spirit-120-evo-dark-704-cfm-cpu-cooler-as120-evo-dark-d6-de

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MzMMnQ/thermalright-phantom-spirit-120-se-argb-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-ps120se-argb

[acoustic lynx]

Is watercooler or fan better

[burnt spear]

A heatsink will have a much longer (infinite) lifespan

[dull flint]

Air is fine for this

What is your current cooler

[burnt spear]

An aio is only needed on very hot cpus that are hard to cool, like the 13900k

[burnt spear]

7950x can be cooled by this, let alone 7800x3d

[acoustic lynx]

It's an AIO

360mm

But I think I have the fans set up wrong

[dull flint]

Would just use that tbh

[burnt spear]

What brand if you happen to know

And im assuming you've only had it a couple years?

[dull flint]

Use it til you lose it

[acoustic lynx]

corsair

[dull flint]

🔥🔥

[burnt spear]

Mmm

[acoustic lynx]

is 750w enough

[dull flint]

Ye

[burnt spear]

Yeah

[acoustic lynx]

Okay

[burnt spear]

7800x3d pulls like 88w

[dull flint]

What 750w is it

[burnt spear]

Peak

[acoustic lynx]

Also corsair

[burnt spear]

Ye model of psu matters more than wattage here

Do you know what letters are on it?

[dull flint]

Got a specific name

[acoustic lynx]

RM

[burnt spear]

Ie rm, rmx, rme, cv, cx

[dull flint]

?

[burnt spear]

Nice

[acoustic lynx]

RM750

[burnt spear]

Fantastic psu

[dull flint]

Oh yeah ur good

[acoustic lynx]

Okay sweet

[burnt spear]

That can run a 4090 with a 7800x3d

You'll be chillin

[dull flint]

Alr ima head out

GL

[burnt spear]

Peace

[acoustic lynx]

Ty

[lyric bay]

Hey can someone help me out real fast and tell me how to get in contact with support for help getting a replacement? I ordered a new CPU but it wouldn't slot in correctly and when I flipped it over Irealize that like 4 or 5 of the prongs are bent a little

Quite literally fresh out of the box

[burnt spear]

What cpu and what motherboard

And that's a newegg customer support thing, not a discord server thing

[lyric bay]

Amd ryzen 5 5600 and my mother board is a AMD MSI B450M pro-m2

[lyric bay]

I kinda figured but I'm ngl navigating the support page on my busted phone is kinda a pain

[burnt spear]

You can try dming @glad socket

[compact zenith]

Have a question about corsair dominator ram. When windows forces updates and reboots server, it's not fully loading the memory's light settings till someone actually logs in, which is causing the ram sticks to turn on to default. Is there something that can force them to load in the settings after reboot, without making someone log in?

[vast meadow]

You could try setting a task in task scheduler for icue or whatever other rgb software you're using, there might already be one, change it from run when user is logged on to run whether user id logged on or not

[compact zenith]

Thanks. I'll go check. I kinda miss the old days of editing sys.cfg to do those things. Windows kinda got me rusty over the years.

[vast meadow]

hopefully should do it for you

[halcyon relic]

anyone know if there are benchmarks comparing 7600x3d vs the 7800/7900x3d?

[burnt spear]

It's about a 5% difference

Sometimes less

I don't have a comparison off hand tho

[halcyon relic]

5% compared to 7800x3d?

so probably a little better than the 7900x3d then lol

[halcyon relic]

think it’s worth swapping that into my current build and using my 7900x3d for the other build i mentioned in #building-and-recc-chat LOL

[grizzled bloom]

Especially in 1% lows

[halcyon relic]

I got a 7600x3d I was going to use in another build, so it actually is gonna be a bit better for gaming than my 7900x3d in main build then

i might actually just swap them and use the 7900x3d in that other build then lol

is there anything in particular I should do when swapping cpus?

[sudden creek]

Clear CMOS, Fresh Windows Install, and make sure to install the right drivers.

@halcyon relic

[grizzled bloom]

Ideally yes all of the above

[dull flint]

Slightly better than 7900x3d, a little chunk worse than 7800x3d/7900x3d as a number of games are made to scale with more cores (For ryzen this scales up to 8)

[void viper]

Get your card and bend the pins back to place

Also check if thos epins are ground pins also

[indigo moss]

Whats better i7-11700k or i9-10900F?

[burnt spear]

Do you already have a mobo to go with one of them?

If not I wouldnt get either if possible, unless it's a very good deal

Like $150 max, even that's pushing it considering 12600kf is a good bit better at $130-140 new
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare

[indigo moss]

The mobo is a MSI MPG z590

[burnt spear]

Do you already have it in hand

[indigo moss]

No, I'm using the PC part picker

[burnt spear]

Ok, I wouldn't buy into an old generation

You end up spending more for less performance

What's your budget for the whole pc?

[indigo moss]

Under 2k if possiable

[burnt spear]

Yeah you can fit a 7800x3d in that, which far outperforms any lga1200 cpu

If you really want intel, I would get a 13600k and make sure you update to the newest version of bios and undervolt the cpu, to ensure it's safe. Intel had a quality control issue on their 13th/14th gen cpus, but with a uv and new bios it's fine.

You don't have an upgrade path with any intel cpu at the moment, which is why I would suggest amd 7000 series, am5

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xs3HkJ

7800x3d has had some stock issues recently, so is up to an insane $500. Would never pay that much for that cpu, but you could go for a 7600/7600x, which just about match the 13600k in games

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RMWfJy

@indigo moss some options ^

Can swap in a cheaper gpu if you want

[indigo moss]

I was also trying to do it only on newegg so I can have them build it for me

I just realized I meant to say i was doing the PC builder on newegg

my bad

[burnt spear]

They don't actually build it for you unfortunately

They just "help" you choose the parts

The newegg pc builder is really, really, really bad

It recommends old and overpriced parts almost exclusively

I would look for someone local, or if you have a microcenter nearby they do custom builds

A local pc shop did my first build a couple years back

Otherwise I'd say pre built time

[indigo moss]

I'll look at my options thank you for helping me

[burnt spear]

Happy to, if you've any questions or want any other recommendations feel free to ping me

[indigo moss]

@burnt spear How would a i5- 12600Kf be with a asus z790 plus TUF

also would a heatsink or radiator be better for cooling?

[meager elbow]

I personally will always recommend an air cooler whenever possible due to reliability

Air coolers last practically forever

Aios last for 4~ years

Long enough for most people to upgrade to a new system, so some people don't mind

But a dual tower cooler performs around the same as a 240mm aio

[indigo moss]

Cool, thank you

[meager elbow]

Also most people would be recommend going with an ryzen 7000 series AMD cpu for new builds currently, unless you're on a tight budget

Bacca sent you one with it

[meager elbow]

Here

[indigo moss]

I've never used an AMD cpu so im not sure how they perform compared to intel

[meager elbow]

Unless you don't have much free time to do some tinkering, I would highly recommend building a PC yourself

AMD currently is destroying intel in a few fronts

Though mainly in their x3d cpus

[indigo moss]

So currently AMD is pretty good

[meager elbow]

Yeah, AMD is no longer the option that only people on a tight budget gets

[dull flint]

If I covered two PC's up, one with amd, one with intel, and no hints (obviously)...

You'd never tell the difference.

It'll behave basically the same, performance will be basically the same, experience in windows will definitely be the same

As far as using it you'd never really notice

[indigo moss]

whats a good AMD thats a decent price but good performance

[meager elbow]

Same answer as before, Bacca's reccs are solid

If your budget is smaller than that, then someone can help modify the list for you

[indigo moss]

https://www.microcenter.com/site/content/custom-pc-builder.aspx?load=45e2dce5-70d6-4432-86f3-a0d8dbe5b5b0 This is what I have so far

[meager elbow]

Are you using microcenter for their build service?

[indigo moss]

yeah

[meager elbow]

Note that they have a build fee

Well, everyone has

[indigo moss]

I know

[meager elbow]

$200 build fee

Damn

[indigo moss]

yeah

😮‍💨

[meager elbow]

Ask in #building-and-recc-chat for a microcenter build for the build service, and say your budget as well

[indigo moss]

ok

[meager elbow]

There are alot of things that aren't ideal in your current build lmao

Yikes I just noticed the air cooler price 💀

[acoustic lynx]

Yippee

[compact zenith]

My bday is in a few days. Why thank you 🙂

.
My wife is now deciding on whether she wants a new gaming laptop, or have me build a new gaming desktop. I've always built Intel systems, because I just loathed AMD due to nightmares back early 90s. But looking at their ryzen 12 core 24 thread CPUs and the prices, thinking of building an Amd one.

Actually, disliked sounds better. I loathed Tandy systems more.

Apple falls in between 😉

[compact zenith]

I used to think the most expensive part of college was buying the parts to build both my kids top of the line gaming webservers. Then discovered the mechanic part was far worse, with Matco tools 2k+ 😦

[vagrant mist]

A lotta people are gonna hate Intel now cause of 13/14th gen degrading and intel doing everything they can not to fix the issue

[compact zenith]

I'm lucky then. The systems I built a little over a year ago are 12th gen. My heavy dislike for AMD was because when I worked retail, early 90s, I already despised Tandy, and AMD was irking me a lot, as they were not running all game titles like MSDos did. Also having to research sys.cfg info for it was an even bigger headache. I didn't like Windows 3.1 either, but gave Windows 95 a try, because my brother was working for MS at the time and a free os back then, was unheard of. (My brother also failed to tell me it would shut off after a period of time) Then Windows 98, and around that time I joined the $500 a year program which gave me 10 keys for just about every Microsoft product. Got annoyed when it was dropped to 5, then 3, but got them to grandfather in my 5 keys per product already activated. Sadly they killed the program like 7 years ago 😦

Anyways, didn't even know Intel was having issues.

Explains why an I9 processor has 2k ratings, yet it's AMD comperative cpu has 12k ratings.

I take it crypto currency took another bad hit recently? Lot of used hardware is on Ebay, and I see a lot of good CPUs on sale, marked down around 30 to 40%, which is what happened in October 2022, when the $900 I9 cpu dropped to $349. Bought one for myself and two I7 for my kids. Wife wanted to wait but now wants a new build.

And AMD ratings are positively through the roof.

In a good way.

I never built an AMD system, but I gather it's the same as Intel? Motherboard, CPU, Ram, Fan, NVME boot drive.

[vagrant mist]

Obviously a different socket

But the rest is the same

Different cooler mount too I guess

Amd chips have been killing it since 3000 series

At least on the consumer space

Latest launch was mostly just underwhelming but it's still a good chip on its own

[vagrant mist]

7800x3d is the top gaming CPU right now

[compact zenith]

Better than the 7900X?

[vast meadow]

The x3d chips are better for gaming

[dull flint]

The X3D chips stand at the top

[vagrant mist]

In short, yes

[loud crater]

how do cpus bottleneck gpus? as far as i know its just the graphics card that does the rendering of objects, so if you have a good one it can do a full screen of pixels many times per second, but how does a cpu stop it from doing all it can?

[hollow thorn]

Imagine you have a GPU that can instantly render and output image of any kind, but how are you going to know what should be where in the image? The CPU generally does a lot of the logic and physics calculations in games, so the CPU has to figure out where an object should be, then tells the GPU to render it there. At some point, if your CPU can't provide that information as fast as the GPU could render the scene, you can be "bottlenecked" by the CPU. There are generally many factors, so it's usually not clear cut when your performance is bound by your CPU or GPU

[loud crater]

ohhh ok ty

so a game with lots of npcs and explosions and maybe like projectiles effected by gravity will be more cpu intensive, but a game with lots of reflections and far away objects will be more gpu intensive?

[grizzled bloom]

That's the general trend yes. More objects and things moving needs more CPU power. More eye candy like reflections and ray tracing needs more GPU.

It's not a hard and fast rule but a trend

[compact zenith]

My old motherboard, an Aorus Gigabyte 490, or maybe it was a 390, either way it was the most horrible board for bottlenecking. The card slots were broken down to 32/16/8/4 and at the time, NVME was new to me, so was using a 2200 mbps read, 1600mbps write nvme, with 8 sata spindle drives.. my internet was too fast for the system. When I ran an Ultima Online server, which averaged 8 online at all times, all item hoarders, the graphics card couldn't keep up because it was plugged into the 4x slot, and keeping tract of people connected lagged the server horribly. What was worse, losing data with one drive. That service used to be as bad as a coaster writer. If data bottlenecked, while it was writing, it lost not just the file it was writing, it killed all files in the folder as well. Worst build I ever put together. System I built last year runs perfectly. I only use the nvme slots, no spindle drives unless it's a portable copying over large files to an nvme.

[compact zenith]

Thanks for the info. I'll recheck everything over.

[compact zenith]

I take it the 7900X3D are the better of the 7800X3D? I keep running searches for 7800x3d, and keep getting 7900x3d offers.

[dull flint]

7800X3D = 7950X3D > 7600X3D > 7900X3D in performance

[grizzled bloom]

That's because the 7800X3D is so popular it's sold out almost everywhere. The 7900X3D is better for production due to more cores but worse for gaming due to heavy stuttering caused by the dual CCD layout. I say this as a 7900X3D owner, you don't want one.

[compact zenith]

That might explain the $400 price drop. You also against the 7950X3D as well?

[grizzled bloom]

That one isn't as bad since there's more cores and less need to activate the second CCD, so less stuttering. It's still a little worse than the 7800X3D in 1% lows.

It's a production powerhouse but also one of the top gaming chips

[dull flint]

^All that, though 7950X3D is not recommended for anyone that doesn't need the extra despite the better value pick over 7800X3D

[grizzled bloom]

Hard to judge value for something you can't buy right now 🙃

I do agree it's not the ideal choice, but if you do need extra cores it's nice

[dull flint]

Ye

AMD knows the worth so we're getting the price hikes

They've done it plenty of times, more guilty of monopolistic behaviour than team blue or green tbh

Moment they win something it's 📈📈📈

$$$$

[grizzled bloom]

Gotta milk it while they can since Arrow Lake is looking competitive for gaming. It only took 3 generations.

It's probably worth waiting for that to launch btw

I'm seeing between 12-15% single core improvement over 14th gen

Which is quite far below Intel's original estimates but still good

(multi core remains to be seen but that doesn't matter for gaming)

Oh and it does launch at the end of next month, around the 24th

[compact zenith]

If my wife was just gaming, it would be an easier choice. She's doing art, coding I never seen before, and game playing, sometimes all 3 at once. See a few motherboard and cpu packages, but not with the cpus listed above

[grizzled bloom]

Newegg combo builder has the 7950X3D

Example

[compact zenith]

I'm going with the 7950x3d. Just did a clean format on my wife's 4 year old Aorus Master I7, and with its 12gb EVGA RTX, still struggles with her game running with office running in background.

Actually, just realized she has 4 sata drives. Be interesting to see how it runs with nvme only.

Bbl

[acoustic lynx]

I finish pc, plugged it in, turn it on, but no display

I've already reseated the ram

Reset it

Allat

Idk what to do

[meager elbow]

new pc? try to turn it on and leave it for like 10 minutes

it probably wont boot immediately

[acoustic lynx]

Nah the motherboard was just faulty

I bought a new one and did all the stuff and things and it works now

[light vine]

anyone know deals for a 7800x3d? i also need ddr5 mobo and 32g ddr5.

[burnt spear]

Not unless you have a microcenter

This is really the only choice otherwise
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XccgXL/amd-ryzen-9-7900x3d-44-ghz-12-core-processor-100-100000909wof

[light vine]

i have access to microcenter

[burnt spear]

They have a $600 7800x3d bundle or a $450 7600x3d bundle

[light vine]

can u link the 7800x3d one

[burnt spear]

Oh damn I guess they took it down due to the 7800x3d stock issues

You'd have to choose between the 7600x3d and 7950x3d bundles I guess

The latter is around 8% better in gaming

And comes with a better mobo

Imo not anywhere near worth $200 extra unless you're doing more than just gaming

[light vine]

i saw the deleted deal but i wasnt able to drive to mc till this wknd.. is there anywhere else where i can find a deal for this or a feed somewhere i can watch for one

[burnt spear]

No not really

[lyric turret]

Bought a bundle with the 7800x3d

Didn’t feel like waiting anymore lol

[lyric turret]

Need a mobo for a ryzen 9 7950x3d

[grizzled bloom]

https://youtu.be/ZtHOOyWYiic?si=hgGd52JPgHHrCX4g
https://youtu.be/naX-DnKekCM?si=LlOzP9NWyQEcwqmF

For VRM temperature, as long as the board isn't throttling it's acceptable. There's effectively no difference between a board running at 60C and one at 80C.

They helpfully highlight the ones that throttled in red instead of blue.

The rest of the vid is mostly covering other features like USB ports and PCIe slots.

[lyric turret]

so anyone of them work

[grizzled bloom]

Most of them do, except the ones that have cut down VRM cooling. Which are the ones they put in red on the 7950X charts.

Oh and if you have questions about a specific board we can dissect it for you

[lyric turret]

is this good?>

this one

never heard of this one

[grizzled bloom]

To quote the first video around 4:34, all of the Prime B650 boards suck and should be avoided

[lyric turret]

yea not sure which mobo to do

[lyric turret]

i need a mobo under 200$ usd
using b&h video website bc thats where my cpu is in stock currently

[grizzled bloom]

Are there any special features you need? Wifi, USB C header, extra M.2?

Did you need mATX or is full ATX good?

This would be a good one, 7:02 on the first video and they do say it's a good option.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1730066-REG/msi_b650pwifi_pro_b650_p_wifi_am5.html

VRM temp was a cool 65C so more than acceptable

A Gigabyte option if you prefer https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1795716-REG/gigabyte_b650_aorus_elite_ax.html

[sudden creek]

Who pinged me?

[grizzled bloom]

Looks like AMD might launch X3D early to compete with Arrow Lake's launch, since Arrow Lake is looking quite decent in single core/gaming.

With the efficiency improvements of Zen 5 they could theoretically bump the clocks a fair bit, maybe +400 MHz over 7000.

[lyric turret]

oh wow

should of waited on ordering my cpu then lmao

eh ill return it and wait

[dull flint]

Final post update. TL;DR:

Intel 14th and 13th gen users are highly encouraged to update to microcode 0x12B as soon as possible.

Degradation problem has been 'root cause identified'

This will be addressed either though bios updates or through windows update. It is strongly suggested to move to the newest bios that becomes available with 0x12B that's not in beta.

[wise phoenix]

So I just did a major oopsie and bought an intel ram, it said it's Intel XMP 2.0 ready, but I have a ryzen 5 ram, will this still work? or am I cooked and I need to return this while I still can?

[grizzled bloom]

Nah you're fine

XMP is just the name for the preconfigured profiles, which AMD is totally capable of reading and setting.

[dull flint]

Wait

@wise phoenix

Are you adding more intel ram to your ryzen ram?

Or is this just replacing the old ram

/new ram for the new pc

?

The posing of that question is odd to me Fal

It sounds like they're mixing

[grizzled bloom]

Funny that you say that with the "do not mix memory" warning being front and center in that pic

[dull flint]

LMAO

[dull flint]

That's an uncommon W for g.skill

The warning is in the box

[grizzled bloom]

There's also no need to censor any of the info on those sticks, it's not like someone can claim warranty with it because they'll see a different serial number once it arrives. Besides, g.skill has a lifetime transferrable warranty so there's no need for such fraud.

[dull flint]

G.skill more like F.skill

(fraud)

[wise phoenix]

nono I followed your instructions and I bought a new pair and sold(will sell) the old one

[grizzled bloom]

That'll work perfectly fine then

[wise phoenix]

good to hear, felt scary for a moment, thanks guys

[grizzled bloom]

Make sure to enable XMP in BIOS, it might be called AMP or A-XMP or DOCP.

[wise phoenix]

will do, thanks man

[grizzled bloom]

Out of curiosity, what is the code starting with 042 or 043

That'll tell you what type of memory die it uses

The last 5 digits specifically

[wise phoenix]

04213X8820D

oh 8820D

[grizzled bloom]

8Gb Hynix D, weird I haven't seen that one yet

[dull flint]

What DJR?

That's a good one

iirc that's the high clocking fun stuff of D4 Hynix

It might be a downbin though but should run well

[grizzled bloom]

I guess I just haven't seen dual rank djr on g.skill yet

Some decent potential to it

3800 c16, could be better but not bad at all

[dull flint]

Check with @limpid warren but iirc DJR is one of the ones that'll do the stupid high frequencies on intel

Could be 16gbit I'm thinking of

[grizzled bloom]

I think that was cjr

djr seems similar but down binned

[limpid warren]

CJR is the hynix that's usually like 18-22-22-42. I have two DJR kits. One is DR 4400c19-26-26-46 & the SR is 5000c19-28-28. Micron Rev E (or maybe N?) can also clock 5k with tighter primaries but won't POST with oddly high tRAS. The DJR won't budge on tRCD or tRP but benches tRAS 28.

[grizzled bloom]

Ah right

I forgot, cjr is the one that's slightly better than c-die

[limpid warren]

I broke my 11th gen CPU so I don't really get to enjoy DJR anymore

[dull flint]

CJR can also be kinda whack good

Depends all on the bin

Not DJR levels tho

(again, binning)

[limpid warren]

Oh I have a PNY 4600 SR DJR kit somewhere too I forgot lol

[dull flint]

Gary these are 8gbit ye?

[limpid warren]

CJR can clock high with good bins but can't handle a voltage beat down like DJR, Bdie, or Rev E/N

[grizzled bloom]

You couldn't kill B-die if you tried

[limpid warren]

Yes. I actually think the 4600 kit is in the motherboard I forgot to send to Rommy like 2 months ago. Crap lol

[grizzled bloom]

Straight up 1.8v and it's a little warm but fine

[limpid warren]

DJR will take 1.8 & drop tCL pretty low but tRCD/tRP will be the same based on the frequency

I could daily this on 11600K until I decided to throw it in a 10th Gen delid tool & rip off an SMD

I found a great "OBO" on ebay. Fitz grabbed the same kit from the same seller actually haha

Wasn't as fun on 10900K sadly

[grizzled bloom]

I'm torn between selling my b-die kits or buying a used r5 2600 to upgrade my server

Leaning towards the upgrade

But it feels bad putting b-die in a system that will never go above 3200

[limpid warren]

They're nuts https://www.ebay.com/itm/226177580081?

Is like 5600 much more? My dad's 5600G did high clocks synced

[grizzled bloom]

The 2600 is $35 and a 5600G would be $50

[limpid warren]

Isn't 5600 monolithic die? Or maybe 5500? I can't remember

[grizzled bloom]

The G ones are mono

[limpid warren]

Oh heck that's pretty inexpensive

[grizzled bloom]

That was broken one sec

$88

for a 5600

[limpid warren]

Isn't 5500 like a 5600G without igpu?

[grizzled bloom]

That's one way to look at it

But it manages to be worse somehow

It does use a disabled cezanne die though you're right about that

[limpid warren]

Lol heckin Seby

[grizzled bloom]

Bro will put anything under LN2

[limpid warren]

4934c18-19-19

With godbin 4800c17-19-19 bdie

There are so many that I wonder how low they'd go

[grizzled bloom]

Maybe I'll look on ali

$70

Still twice the cost of the 2600, hard to justify for a plex/nas/pihole server

[limpid warren]

Of the first 7 listings, like 5 had "more than 10 available" then the next one had 76 available lol

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah they'd probably take $70-75 if offered and shown the ali listings

[limpid warren]

Lol I'd offer $40 just to see

Sure they don't make much but it's better than not selling at all & making $0

[grizzled bloom]

2600 is $30 on ali too

I'd consider a 1600 but my board doesn't support it

[limpid warren]

3600 is $63 obo

Might pull off $40 for OBO there lol

[grizzled bloom]

Hmm actually my board might support it after all

$23, tempting

[limpid warren]

But even if, why keep the bdie for that application anyway? I should sell off some ddr4 heck

[grizzled bloom]

Because it's the only DDR4 I have left

4x8GB of mixed b-die sticks

[limpid warren]

People still use it so it hasn't bottomed out yet I'd think

Maybe sell it & get some dirt cheap 2666 stuff

[grizzled bloom]

Huh. The 1600 is on the compatibility list but not the 1600X or 1600AF.

[limpid warren]

That's strange. Guess you gotta do 2600 lol

[grizzled bloom]

The 1200 is the only other one from that series on the list, trippy

[limpid warren]

Ddr4 SODIMMs are so cheap

Pihole ancient laptop time lol

[grizzled bloom]

I've got several laptops here I have yet to part out... but I don't think any of their processors would beat my current 1650 v2

[limpid warren]

You don't have any desktop memory from office PC's otherwise heading to a recycle center?

[grizzled bloom]

Nope

[limpid warren]

I hear legends of places that recycle pc parts selling stuff dirt cheap but never actually seen one in person

[grizzled bloom]

I used to have one of those near me, but it shut down permanently (covid)

I found a stock cooler for a socket 8 processor just when I needed it there

[grizzled bloom]

Alright I think I might do the 2600X for $31

I can sell my current server for $100 easy

My wife will be happy to be rid of it, it's rather large

I'll bench it before I set it up as a server too, yeet 1.5v, get a few points

[compact zenith]

Question, do motherboards like the Aorus master Z690 series have some any type of bricking safety measures built in, in case of a power outage during bios updates?

Just curious. Friend of mine bricked his 7 year old Asus doing a bios update, and lost power. Makes me wonder if motherboards have been improved since then.

[grizzled bloom]

BIOS flashback would be the only built in method of recovery there, and it isn't perfect by any stretch

[dull flint]

Gigabyte has a failsafe bios chip on their boards, which can be activated if a bios fails to flash

[grizzled bloom]

Gigabyte calls it "Q flash plus"

[dull flint]

They also have q flash on some ye

Also, ch341a fixes all of these problems

I'm pretty sure of this, unless you run into a compatibility issue in which case, soldering a new working bios chip on is the plan b

[grizzled bloom]

I'm not sure the aorus master has dual bios. It's not advertised at least.

[dull flint]

Most GB boards don't advertise

Idk if you remember this but Hei told us about it ages ago