cpus-mobo-and-memory

[dull flint]

You could stay with 55 if you prefer

Set temp limits as well to around 80 and power limits to some 220W

Or even lower if it's really bad

170W

[shy wyvern]

Ecores ratio is actually down to 38 because it's not stable above that for 1.25. I had it at 42 on 1.28

[dull flint]

That sort of thing may help

[dull flint]

40 alone is extreme as it is

Have you got msi game mode on in bios

[shy wyvern]

To be fair isn't stock like 1.35?

[dull flint]

If so turn it off

Yes stock is in fact closer to 1.4

[shy wyvern]

That's what it was running at before manual tuning

[dull flint]

Static should not degrade under 1.35 at all

But static is also very harsh

[shy wyvern]

Yeah so if static has degraded .3 I feel like it's a hardware issue like oxidation

[dull flint]

It really does sound like that yes

[shy wyvern]

I've never had issues doing static voltage this low

[dull flint]

Especially if you tell them you swapped ram, mobo, psu

[shy wyvern]

I usually do static voltage when overclocking

[dull flint]

Static on 10nm is fickle

I've seen more than enough on the platform to know over 1.35 is problematic

[shy wyvern]

I have!! I even upgraded to a revolution 850 D.F. from a EVGA 650 watt when I got my 4090

[dull flint]

Which is very typical even for older intel

[dull flint]

There you go

[shy wyvern]

Went to DDR5 and a new board. Literally the only thing consistent is my heccin CPU

[dull flint]

Then it's very conclusive

[shy wyvern]

Because I went from a 3080 12GB to a 4090 same issue

[dull flint]

Reinstalled windows?

[shy wyvern]

Yeah I do that every 6 months

[dull flint]

Yep you've covered literally everything they could physically ask then

[shy wyvern]

And I even upgraded my boot drive from a sn750 to a 990 pro

[dull flint]

definitely everything lmao

[shy wyvern]

Good lord you made me realize I even upgraded my case in the last 2 years LMFAO

[dull flint]

That is conclusively degraded then

[shy wyvern]

I just thought the CPU would be rock solid?

[dull flint]

We all did

No one expected this

[shy wyvern]

I even decided and abused my 8600K and my 4670K

And ran my 8600K at 1.42 for 4 years

No issues

[dull flint]

Even I wasn't that suspicious despite me sticking to my beliefs of running 1.32v since I got onto ADL

I've run it ever since and that may be why all my CPU's are ok

[shy wyvern]

I didn't set static voltage until like 6 or so months in

By then I think I was cooked

[dull flint]

Well if electromigration had happened by then

Then yeah

At that point you'd have maybe worn away the wall thickness

Trying to remember what the wall of the via is called

Gallium?

lemme find a pic

Tantalum nitride

Basically you overwhelm the copper vias with too much energy/heat, it experiences, I believe it's deposition?

And electro migrates

But since you can potentially cause so much it wears away that tantalum layer, there's no going back at that point

Think of it like, pouring acid onto a power cable

As the rubber sheath wears away, eventually it burns to nothing, then the wires finally bridge with the acid and the fluid is electrified

Chaos occurs at that point (Instability)

Anyway, side rant, yeah just do what you can and be patient

I think that it sucks but given how big this is

As well as how big the denied RMA cases have blown up to

I don't think you'll be refused

And I don't think there's just one way to skin the cat here, you could discuss with microcenter, mailing the cpu with warranty claim details attached

Pay for shipping here and back

That's not an unrealistic request

I think this will get figured out, it just sucks to be in the middle of it

[shy wyvern]

I haven't crashed in 2 hours, I set voltage limit to 1.245, set P core to 53 and disabled ecores. Working perfectly fine for now

I was crashing every 5-10 minutes before but I've been running a game for 2 hours so far without issues

I'm eventually going to hit a point to where the CPU isn't going to accept a lower voltage and be core clock stable.

Weirdest part about this is that unlike overclocking errors, I am error free on things like P95 but just randomly blue screen or all my applications crash at once

It was like this on my old power supply with my 3080 too when it first started happening so I doubt it's that either. It's so strange. Anytime I've been unstable, memory and CPU tests always throw up errors, first CPU I've had where it doesn't do that?

[next thistle]

I just Read something in French sorry that even the i5-13600k is affected by the intel problem... should I wait for a problem or should I build a new machine using AMD? 😟😟😟

I mean like right now

[burnt spear]

Theyre replacing cpus affected

[shy wyvern]

All CPUs from the initial 13th gen batch are affected by oxidation

And ALL CPUs 13th and 14th are affected by voltage issue

[sudden creek]

this sounds like what I experienced with my faulty 7950x3D

it wouldn't toss errors, it'd game, and just randomly shutdown or bluescreen.

lowering the clocks might've helped but I think it was just in my head.

[vagrant mist]

could be a lemon

AMD, unlike intel, doesn't have current gen chips that damage themselves over time lol

[shy wyvern]

AMD did with the x3d

Motherboards we're making the chips melt themselves

AMD fixed it

https://youtu.be/kiTngvvD5dI?si=sw__iY6fWsNPO6rf

[vagrant mist]

Ah I forgot about that kekw

But in this case it was actually just the motherboard

Not a much deeper issue that Intel is halfheartedly trying to hide

Its similar, but not the same

[shy wyvern]

Yeah and they were a lot more graceful

They didn't even care about proof of purchase AMD said "contact us and send it in"

[vagrant mist]

meanwhile intel is just dead silent on their cpu returns

[grizzled bloom]

Looking forward to Intel pushing a Windows update that forces a microcode update without telling the user and bricking a bunch of PCs (again)

[cursive epoch]

lmao

"Here's ur update, we blame windows if your pc gets bricked"

[tender sleet]

Classic Intel-Crowdstrike collab be like

Imagine if Crowdstrike somehow manages to brick PCs so hard it fixes the Intel degradation :3

[cerulean wadi]

Decided to try a 14600KF that was $180. Could soon use some input about if I can just do a modest PL of 125ish, or how I can maybe adjust voltages to be safer. B660M Aorus Pro

[dull flint]

@cerulean wadi instructions here

[limber dragon]

are the i5s even affected?

[cerulean wadi]

Feetlick, Thnx. Hot this weekend so perhaps I'll be inside, swap in new cpu & test. See what like Discord I can assign to the Ecores, idk.

[elfin warren]

Not as far as they've said

[dull flint]

Not even intel is sure atm

They've stated as much as anything over 65W which is basically all of them

To as little as just i7 and i9

[limber dragon]

"I cant recommend anyone get a Chevy because their corvette zr1 has transmission issues"

Meanwhile Joe Brown needs a pickup truck

[elfin warren]

Avoid the 8 speed truck transmissions, go for the 10 speeds

😉

[dull flint]

Fair, but he was asking for the instructions anyway lol

The post highlights all K cpus, and i7 and i9 specifically

Intel has stated to that much and also more

[limber dragon]

Chillin's worried about the safety of it

[dull flint]

Anything B0 stepping at this stage

Yes for a 14600KF I would do the steps

Then once the microcode lands in 2 weeks, provided everything seems good

I will take that post down

Or make a new one with updated instructions

[cerulean wadi]

Will checkin after work, thnx

[dull flint]

I've been reading a buttload of info about this stuff

Including a ton of people coming out explaining their undervolts were successful

So I'm holding fast for now but the micro code seems to have some weight to it maybe fixing things

There's a huge amount of discussion on twitter and reddit about these intel issues

(Yes ik, of all places)

Some good detailed posts that I check and scan the comments regularly on, so I keep things up to date

There I tidied it up some more lol

Kinda really inclined to do so as I'm right in the firing line for intels problems rn

[grizzled bloom]

In theory yes, and there are a few reports of this, but they're far less likely to have problems because they're not pushed as hard.

[hollow knot]

How much perf from 5900xt and 5600 cpu?

[burnt spear]

?

[burnt spear]

I believe mine is

I have exactly the same issues people with affected i7s/i9s have

And i bought mine within a few months of launch

[dull flint]

Little at all difference between them until the extreme end

[tender sleet]

Some say all 13/14th gen at or over 65 watts TDP is degrading, laptop chips included
But only 700 and 900 desktop SKUs are confirmed explicitly by Inten

[gritty patio]

This too much?

[cyan raft]

You can put a bit more

I usually just do an X across the cpu from corner to corner

[gritty patio]

It's just weird cause it's long

The cooler didn't fit

[grizzled bloom]

Those Intel chips are pretty big. The cooler doesn't need to cover the entire thing, as long as the main die area is covered.

[gritty patio]

No like it didn't line up with the bracket

Like no matter what's I did

*what

[dull flint]

https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLaptops/comments/1ejvbkl/definitive_13th14th_gen_intel_hx_cpu_14v_cap/

Adding this to pinned post

[agile jolt]

Never knew microcenter had such good cpu deals

Was able to get a 7800x3d for $225 yesterday

Brand new

[grizzled bloom]

Oh yeah they've got fantastic bundles too. Some of the bundles are a full $200 off retail for the parts compared to other places.

[agile jolt]

I got the CPU. B650m mobo and a 32gb kit of 6000mhz ram for a little under 500 bucks

I’m unsure how well 6000mhz is for DDR5

Sounds high

[cerulean wadi]

That's fine. If you end up needing to, ez to adjust it down to 5600-5800

[agile jolt]

I’m not noticing any stability issues with it

7800x3d seems to run a tad hotter than my 5800x3d

It isn’t thermal throttling though

From what I can tell

[burnt spear]

That's perfect

7800x3d can be cooled by a $15 air cooler, you're good.

[agile jolt]

I have a

Noctua NH U12s

Just had it from my am4 build

[burnt spear]

Ye you're fine

As long as mount/paste job is fine

[agile jolt]

Seems to be

Doesn’t thermal throttle

My room is always kinda hot anyways

[tender sleet]

Ryzen 7000 runs warm at idle and low loads @agile jolt

Is it less than 70 at idle?

[agile jolt]

Yeah

Around 50

Little under

45-50

Peaks at low 80

Doesn’t throttle though

[tender sleet]

Perfectly normal

It wouldn't throttle anywhere below 85 anyway

Believe me I daily a 7600X and it took me a while to get used to the higher temps @agile jolt

[agile jolt]

Ah

[tender sleet]

Mine idles at around 60-65 (though it is a higher power draw chip than yours)

[agile jolt]

Gotcha

It stays around 80 when at peak

[tender sleet]

So it's perfectly fine

[agile jolt]

As long as it’s safe idc

[tender sleet]

That's perfect lol

[agile jolt]

It makes my 4070 run a tad hotter

But whatever

[tender sleet]

Anything below 85 and you get full perf from the CPU

[agile jolt]

Gotcha

My cpu is really pushing 5ghz so I can play melee at max capacity

I’ll leave it as is then

I have 2 intakes at the bottom, one up top than one exhaust

The temps are probably higher because my room is a sauna this time of year

[tender sleet]

What case do you have?

Your airflow pattern seems weird to me

[agile jolt]

Jonsobo d31

[tender sleet]

Ah

@agile jolt you might want to flip the top intake fan if you can

Heat naturally rises after all

But u2u

If it works as it is, why bother?

[agile jolt]

Yeah

I just don’t have an intake up front

With how the PSU is

So I have one up top above the cpu cooler

Like the slot in front

[tender sleet]

I guess that's fair enough

[agile jolt]

I just bought the case cause it was kinda cheap and fit on my desk

There probably are better MATX cases though

Airflow wise

Might look into them

[tender sleet]

I'm planning to go D41 for my top gaming build

Do have a Montech Air X rn that's housing my current PC

[agile jolt]

Ah

I think I’m considered higher end

Might look for a better airflow case

Just to run quieter maybe

[dull flint]

Holding my breath saying this but Zen 5 has some pretty stable measurable results over Zen 4, in the ways of comparability and even regression, but I'm thinking both the delay and maybe a future agesa could bring out more perf from zen 5, have to wait and see, amd has a history of fumbling the launch, so.

TL;DR Zen 5 ≈ 4% improvement in gaming over Zen 4. Big improvements however in efficiency and multicore/workstation as a general take at this time. X3D retains the gaming lead.

13th & 14th gen ironically show better value to zen 5 for gaming at this stage, but intel's dubious situation for silicon at this moment inclines much bias towards ryzen in general for workstation

Side note and a serious point of interest, Zen 5 has gone to native avx-512 instead of 256+256, the result is a near complete doubling of performance in this specific type of work.

[dull flint]

After a bit more thought, this is probably a lot of everything intel could've hoped for with their next-gen coming. AMD has made a massive jump for server side performance, but for desktop and mind share this is perfect for them

Arrow lake could win back the consumer base if they can prove it by numbers

https://wccftech.com/intel-arrow-lake-cpus-less-power-hungry-strong-performance-no-instability-issues-raptor-lake-microcode-doesnt-affect-oc-performance/

[high tapir]

is this a reasonable mobo for a 7700x/4080S https://www.newegg.com/msi-b650-gaming-plus-wifi/p/N82E16813144628

we've decided the aesthetics of having a matx mobo in an atx case is weird so the b650m is not an option

[vagrant mist]

I like how no instability is now a selling point for them

Like shut up you still got instabilities in current and last gen CPUs go actually address and fix that lmao

Instead of extending warranty, while also making it difficult and rejecting applications for no reason

[burnt spear]

Imo I'd take the eagle ax for $10 less, but it's up to personal preference

[grizzled bloom]

Passable. That board might not like Ryzen 9 but anything less will be fine.

[burnt spear]

Eagle ax has 1 more nvme slot and I believe a bit better vrms, but not a big difference

[vagrant mist]

SENDING IN AN EAGLE

[high tapir]

thanks that one looks slightly btter aswell

[dull flint]

They're making big promises though

And better hope like HELL they live up to them

[vagrant mist]

If they don't they're so done

[dull flint]

Yup

They're digging the grave if they're not already into QS testing at this point

[thorny cobalt]

Hey guys, I attempted overclocking my memory to its specified 3200MHZ last night, and then my PC went dark and wont respond. I tried powering it up, but the monitor is not getting signal, and some of the debug lights come on then turn off, the motherboard RGB has gone to red, I didn’t set it that way, but I have a B450 Tomahawk Max and 16 gigs of 3200 MHZ DDR4 on 2x8 sticks. I tried to do 3 CMOS resets and tried jumping/shorting the JBAT cables but it’s still not responding. Have i fried my RAM or Motherboard? I want to mess with it more tonight, my PC wont even post.

I also tried running 1 stick of ram

[tender sleet]

I think you fried it when you shorted the cable

You're super NOT supposed to connect any cables to the JBAT header

[thorny cobalt]

I touched the jbat with a screwdriver

With everything unplugged

I held it for around 15 seconds with the cmos battery out

[kindred rover]

I have a Corsair Vengeance 8gb ddr4 3200mhz ram.. if i add another 8gb ddr4 3200mhz ram from another brand other than corsair, will it cause any issue with my system?

[burnt spear]

Likely yes

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/P4FKHx/silicon-power-sp016gxlzu320bdaj5-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp016gxlzu320bdaj5

[cursive epoch]

@gentle canyon https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-reportedly-planning-8-core-core-ultra-3-205-215-arrow-lake-desktop-processors

eight.. core.. i3???

4p+4e but still

[dull flint]

@cursive epoch

[cursive epoch]

wait

HECK

WRONG PING

[meager elbow]

[dull flint]

Updated.

(13th & 14th stability pin)

TL;DR update bios to 129 and read this:

[thorny cobalt]

I found my issue

Had my display plugged into the motherboard and not the gpu

[tender sleet]

That do be a reason sometimes

[meager elbow]

how did that happen though

it was working fine and then stopped working

???

[vagrant mist]

Lmao yeah sure you're committed to making sure your help any consumers who have cpu issyes

Explain all the people who you denied for no reason lmao

[winged roost]

What to choose 5600x or 7600x?

[burnt spear]

7600 is 20% better

[winged roost]

How come?

[burnt spear]

uhhh...

because thats how performance works?

[winged roost]

I have a tight budget so I was thinking about going for DDR4 platform

I read an article on DDR4 vs DDR5 platform on XDA developers

[cerulean wadi]

It's partly about how budget you talking, and what sort of upgrade path you may not care about. Very quick example:

[dull flint]

It's not a huge drop to go next gen

In fact

If you budget it properly

You can get next-gen with very little perf loss if at all

[burnt spear]

What is your budget for the whole build?

In local currency

As an example
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/D6PBMV

[winged roost]

In INR like 50k max I can stretch it to 60k

[burnt spear]

Yeah 7600 eats 18k of that

Lemme see what I can do for a list rq

@winged roost

Mobo is far from ideal

If you'd spend extra anywhere I'd get a better mobo

[dull flint]

smaller ssd

Better mobo

H610's are 65W boards

[burnt spear]

Wait

That gpu also doesn't fit the case

[dull flint]

That one I can already see from here is like a 2 stage vcore

[burnt spear]

Get the sapphire 7600 instead

Well it's 3mm, case specs say 300mm and gpu is 303

Not sure if 300 is including the fan, moving it might fit it but I'm not sure.

[dull flint]

Updated.

TL;DR discussions still ongoing, no new developments at this stage, formal testing proving degradation on new microcode still not published/demonstrated as possible.

[woeful zinc]

thought's on Asrock B450m pro4? $40

my friend also has MSI B450m Pro Max II

$40 still

[cursive epoch]

good enough board

[woeful zinc]

sure thanks

[oak sand]

Am I crazy or is this voltage wrong?? I thought it was supposed to be 12v 5v and 3v

[grizzled bloom]

From the power supply yes, but that 1.8v is converted from 12V and feeds the CPU

The 1.8v gets stepped down to whatever the CPU is requesting by the VRM

Very few things use the 3.3v rail any more but if you're curious, the sensor is available for monitoring in the OS

[dull flint]

Updated

TL;DR new disable option for intel default settings turns off all 0x129 mitigations. Highly recommended not to use this option at this point in time

https://youtu.be/TOvJAHhQKZg

[vernal holly]

is the i7 12700kf a powerful cpu?

[distant gulch]

Any good alternatives at this price range for motherboard? Asrock has never really been reliable enough for my liking

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zQhv6h/asrock-a620i-lightning-wifi-mini-itx-am5-motherboard-a620i-lightning-wifi

Its for a 7900 gre and ryzen 5 7600x

[dull flint]

Compared to that it'd be usually either the a620m pro rs, b650m pro rs, b650m hdv, b650 eagle ax (bit meh) or b650m-a pro

[distant gulch]

Aight, appreciate it

[dull flint]

A620i lightning is an excellent board and itx at that

It's the same as a b650i lightning with just the chipset change

VRM is great on it

[distant gulch]

Eh

Alright

Might just stick with it then

[dull flint]

I mean if you prefer an alternative, all the ones I mentioned are also not bad

But honestly, it's a great entry to itx, that one

Nothing else comes close to it in the itx department

It's a 6 stage vrm that can more than handle a 7950x

[distant gulch]

Yee that itx form factor is pretty important for me lol, would preferably fit in my case 🥹

[dull flint]

Some sff cases do matx too if it's an option

e.g im01/pro or jonsbo z20

Food for thought

Those are 20-ish L cases

[distant gulch]

Ill do some looking, ill trust what you say about that model tho

[dull flint]

Alr

7600 btw imo

If you aren't using a full cooler and instead a flat one

[distant gulch]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/khJp99/thermalright-assassin-spirit-120-evo-dark-704-cfm-cpu-cooler-as120-evo-dark-d6-de

Thats what i have on standby

[dull flint]

Should be ok, I've heard it's both perfectly fine and 1 case of it being not enough

I suspect that 1 case was a defective unit

It was crooked

[distant gulch]

400 mm x 205 mm x 365 mm are my dimensions, not the most cramped case out there

[burnt spear]

Def adequate for a 7600/7800x3d

Here's the cases felix mentioned
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RMWJ7P/sama-im01-pro-microatx-mini-tower-case-sama-im01-pro-bkg

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pfvdnQ/sama-im01-microatx-mini-tower-case-im01

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MM7scf/jonsbo-jonsplus-z20-microatx-desktop-case-z20-black

[dull flint]

I think z20 might fit that honestly

Z20 is about nr200p size

Im01 as well

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CjFmP6/lian-li-a3-matx-microatx-mini-tower-case-a3-matx-x

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rRWzK8/jonsbo-d30-microatx-mini-tower-case-d30-black

Also decently small

[dull flint]

Yep those are nice too but getting big

26+ L

[distant gulch]

I have my pc case already 😭

[burnt spear]

Ye

Ahh

[dull flint]

Ah ok

[burnt spear]

What case?

And what's the budget for the build/what else do you have?

[distant gulch]

Here ill just link the whole build (gpu is a placeholder until i get a better deal)

[dull flint]

Show what's bought or not too

[distant gulch]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8t4y6D

[dull flint]

[burnt spear]

Ah, p200a is an odd one

[distant gulch]

Already done 🔥

[burnt spear]

It's itx but really big

[dull flint]

Yeah

P200a is bigger than all these I think lol

Except d30

[distant gulch]

Yee thats what i was tryna say, doesnt feel like much of an itx to me

[dull flint]

/d31

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YwsT28

Any way you could return the case?

[distant gulch]

Its like 6 months old

[burnt spear]

Ah

[distant gulch]

[dull flint]

Hmmm

I mean the list isn't bad bar the ssd imo

[distant gulch]

I do like how it looks tho so

[burnt spear]

Also 4070 is $450 refurb from zotac store

If you'd be interested in that

[dull flint]

You could get 7600 and save a bit too

[burnt spear]

7900 gre at $510 is great

[dull flint]

7600/x are exactly the same

One however has a cooler

[distant gulch]

I avoid nvidia like the plague

When i can at least

[burnt spear]

I mean

[distant gulch]

But yeah, maybe 7600

[dull flint]

@distant gulch how old is the ssd

[burnt spear]

I don't see a point in avoiding nvidia

[distant gulch]

8 months?

[dull flint]

Alr one sec

[distant gulch]

If its a good deal i swipe

But otherwise

[dull flint]

What I'd do
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YwsT28

GRE for 509 >>> 450 4070

Also far better gre than a challenger

[burnt spear]

Lol @dull flint

Copy cat smh

[dull flint]

Oh wow fair enough LOL

[dull flint]

Contrary to what I said about the mobo, the challenger is probably one of the most common models I've encountered heat issues with over the years

Asrock have some dumb issue with paste so I would steer clear of specifically that model imo

[distant gulch]

Still have a good bit of cash to save up, its mostly food for thought

[dull flint]

Fair enough

But yeah if you're gunning for a gre just avoid the challenger imo

[distant gulch]

Somehow me asking about a mobo sprang to the whole build lol

[dull flint]

Ya cos we like helping

☠️

[distant gulch]

I appreciate it

Im just broke

[dull flint]

Apart from that not much else to say

[distant gulch]

So mostly placeholding

Have 150 set aside for the motherboard tho ✨

Might order that soon

[dull flint]

140/130 is typically about as low as it gets for that one

A620 will soon be replaced by b840 which is just plain worse on paper

So I wouldn't hesitate tbh

[distant gulch]

Good to know

Maybe this week then

[dull flint]

Got someone pestering me to experiment a bios mod on one too if you're curious in trying it

Essentially turns it into a b650

Which is kind of insane

(you're welcome to say no lol)

[distant gulch]

No ❤️

[dull flint]

[distant gulch]

What would be the point out of curiousity?

[dull flint]

Free b650 upgrade for $0

[distant gulch]

Oh 💀

Maybe

[dull flint]

Essentially gives you cpu overclocking and a few other things

But I can't affidavit it being risk free

[distant gulch]

Yeah thats what i was worried about, im prone to disaster

A disaster master even

[dull flint]

Alls fair no worries

[distant gulch]

If i ever grow away from that sentiment when i get everything tho, might try it

Unless there's something new, which is basically always

[dull flint]

We'll see

Some a620's have been enabled already

So it might happen to the asrock ones, who knows

[pliant siren]

So one part of the hardware is faulty now, but im not sure how to tell which one as i don't have the physical hardware tools. Just software which is still limited

[dull flint]

Rma piece by piece

Start with the psu and psu cables

Then to mobo, then cpu

[pliant siren]

I swapped in new PSU cables today btw. Did power test, it failed. Doin gpu test again, then cpu. May as well do memory.
I feel either the PSU or motherboard is bad. Motherboard is close to runing out of warranty. I bought in 2021

Guess the june tests we've done before is worthless now.
Don't get how something big happened within 2 months...

[dull flint]

If you did cables but not psu I still suspect psu

You should do rma both when you do that

[pliant siren]

Corsair RMA is gonna be bad though, seen some stories. We only get refurbished, not new units.

[dull flint]

It's power related what you're experiencing

[pliant siren]

Guess other hardware quality isn't as good as PSU quality

Aren't all PSU's technically made by one company as well?

[dull flint]

Idk if I already described this but it sounds exactly like a multitude of pc problems I've had, all relating to power or power cables specifically

I'm suspicious of the psu

Or some other cable with a bad bridge

After that, a part with a fault in 12v

[pliant siren]

I even swapped slots too of what i used in the PSU as well.

[dull flint]

Power test slams the cpu and gpu into a trip, which is 12v rail ocp

So it's power related

[pliant siren]

Oki, guess i gotta ask the physical store to reprint a recipt for PSU RMA

[dull flint]

Ya that's what I'd take up doing

It's gonna be power related somewhere, but the fact that it's specifically full load scenarios has me leaning towards the psu

Often if it's something else, the trips are more sporadic or random

It's why I asked if any sata cables were connected as the data ones die easily

Those lead to annoying psu tripping

[pliant siren]

there is sata power cables in yes, 2 for HDD'S and one for the corsair Icue hub

[dull flint]

You should try isolating those out as well

Controllers and storage can die and lead to problems like that too

[pliant siren]

Though if any of them died, i wouldn't be able to have access to either wouldn't i?

[vagrant mist]

not necessarily

imagine it's the corsair hub lol

[pliant siren]

Its a new hub with the aio, i got that aio in 2021 as well.

[pliant siren]

It passed the extreme gpu test. Before it failed last night

Ima check tomorrow for the rest, but ima get material to RMA corsair. I may get a bad RMA unit from corsair. But least it'll hold for then till i probably find some top line quality PSU then

[dull flint]

https://www.techspot.com/news/104223-wrong-about-zen-5.html

Well summarised and just overall disappointing if you're a consumer really, but for future epyc and threadripper it's massive

[past rain]

wat pc component lets u run multiple apps is it a strong cpu or lots of ram or both

like aftereffects youtube n stuff

[dull flint]

Cpu most of all but also ram in order to cache pool everything at once

[past rain]

so is a intel i7 9700k n 32gn of ram enough or need more on both @dull flint

or do i need to overclock both

[dull flint]

Not sure why you'd need overclocking involved

If that's what you're working with that should still be mostly fine

No hyperthreading doesn't really hurt much for games (if at all really) but it will hurt for heavy multitasking

For normal stuff you should be ok

I'm assuming you already own these things

Wouldn't recommend buying them these days

[past rain]

no hyperthread but jus tryna make animations in after effects but watchit from youtube @dull flint

no games this is my streaming pc

i mean i do have games but i know im behind the curve in technology

\so ill wait 4 a 2nd pc build

but still messing around with my toaster of a pc

dyno bot pc lol

[dull flint]

If you're not gaming with it then it should honestly still be fine

It might chug a bit, but not unusable

[past rain]

ok

[pliant siren]

I've done cpu and ram as they passed, doin power test again. If it fails, we know for sure

bad psu. We got em. Time to see if corsair will throw my ticket away or actually help

[vagrant mist]

Don't pull an Intel corsair

[meager elbow]

lmao

[shy wyvern]

Intel: you need to do warranty claim through your vendor
Vendor:

This has been a nightmare to try and return a product that's not working?

I feel like Intel is definitely brushing off the issue

[cursive epoch]

Intel's slimy

No surprises there sadly

[long geyser]

The rate at which Intel does dumb RMA stuff is prolly the same rate as other companies. Just that now there are way more people doing RMA. Actually so annoying that just about every company can get away with selling defective products and have a rather high chance of just not replacing it.

[grizzled bloom]

It's because the US consumer protection agency is all bark and no bite. Even when they do get it together, the fines are less than a week's worth of profits.

[pliant siren]

approved for RMA of the corsair RM850x PSU, hopefully i'll get news of it back quickly. supposedly fastest is one week. i wanna play wukong on ma machine man

[dull flint]

Been reading a lot this morning on the stability situation for intel

Some people crawling out of the woodwork echoing the problems I saw back with 12th gen degrading under high vcore set

Haven't found any confirmed cases at this stage that the microcode didn't work

[grizzled bloom]

Except when the patch is disabled because you forgot to enable intel defaults

Beta BIOS doing beta things

https://youtu.be/TOvJAHhQKZg?si=xnCp91TgF5rj3Ar9

[vagrant mist]

oopsie

haha sorry we didn't account for people wanting to do any optimization to their cpus

[tender sleet]

Oh boy

So if you update your microcode and try to tinker
Instead of slowly cooking your chip you immediately fry it

[vagrant mist]

Cooked too hard

Instantly burnt

Hit it with 10,000 degrees Celsius worth of heat

[pallid thicket]

If I got a hot deal already on a cpu/mobo/ram combo deal that came with ddr5 6000 c36 ram, would I see a significant upgrade by buying 6000mhz c30 ram? Wouldn’t mind adding RGB but not sure if this would just be a waste of $100 or not

[grizzled bloom]

No, there would be next to no difference in the real world.

[grim hornet]

I am currently trying to update BIOS, however I keep getting this error

[hollow thorn]

Are you using the correct unzipped file?

[grim hornet]

This is the mobo I am trying to update.

I downloaded the update using this link: https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-AX370M-Gaming-3-rev-1x/support#support-dl-bios

I am using a 64gb 3.0 sandisk flash drive

I made sure it is formated as FAT32

This is the current downloaded BIOS

Should I try not skipping BIOS versions?

Now I tried version F25, it works

[grizzled bloom]

This is usually the issue. Sometimes they need "stepping stone" versions, and this is usually noted on the download page saying "update to X version before flashing this one."

[grim hornet]

I updated to F31, however under “current flash” it still shows F20. What can be the issue?

[grizzled bloom]

Run CPU-Z and post a screenshot of the mainboard tab

I'll look into what stepping versions you should do

[grim hornet]

Sry for the picture not being a screenshot, this account isn’t connected to the pc I am working on

[grim hornet]

The BIOS of this motherboard has not been updated since 2018, now the homie who uses it wants to upgrade his CPU to 5600x. So I'm trying to update his BIOS (I know it's better to upgrade the mobo but it's not in his budget rn)

[grizzled bloom]

What CPU

Ah 5600X

[grim hornet]

ye the current one is 2600 but he bought 5600x

[grizzled bloom]

First thing will be to update the chipset drivers, then it wants you to use the EC FW tool to update

[grim hornet]

I have actually done that

[grizzled bloom]

Both?

[grim hornet]

Ye

I tried my best to follow the notes provided

[grizzled bloom]

Looks like F31 is your stepping version, then F40, then you can go straight to F53b

[grim hornet]

I see, but the BIOS doesn’t update after flashing

[grizzled bloom]

It has dual bios so it's probably switching between primary and secondary

[grim hornet]

I tried F21, but it doesn’t update

It updates, but then it shows F20 after reboot

[grim hornet]

How to fix that?

[grizzled bloom]

The way it works on gigabyte boards is there's 2 bios chips. The primary is writeable, and the backup is not. If there's some kind of issue with the primary, then it copies from backup and writes over the primary. If this is happening then there may be some kind of problem with how you tried to update at some point.

We can work around it. With the PC off, hold the power AND reset buttons for 10 seconds, then let go. It'll trigger the backup to reset the primary, and after a few minutes you should be able to go back into bios and try to update to F31 again.

[grim hornet]

Where do I find the reset button?

[grizzled bloom]

It's usually next to the power button on your case

Not every case has them

[grim hornet]

He doesn’t have one

[grizzled bloom]

You can use a screwdriver to jump the pins on the motherboard for the reset button instead

The power button goes to the top highlighted ones here, the reset are the bottom two. Touch a screwdriver to the bottom 2 while simultaneously pressing the power button.

If unwilling/unable to do this, there's a couple other methods

An easier way might be to hold the power button until it turns on, then it turns off. Then when you turn it on again it should flash the backup. This may take a few attempts.

[grim hornet]

Is it this switch?

[grizzled bloom]

The pins are covered by the wire but they're highlighted here

[grim hornet]

It seems that they are connected to something right?

[grizzled bloom]

Correct

It's possible it's miswired and a LED got plugged in there

[grim hornet]

Oh

[grizzled bloom]

Or maybe it goes to a button that was previously unnoticed

But if it is a LED then that might explain why it doesn't want to flash, since if the reset is shorted constantly it'll be constantly loading the backup bios

[grim hornet]

I guess it is led

So now unplug it and try to flash?

[grim hornet]

Without doing this method?

[grizzled bloom]

Worth a try

[grim hornet]

Trying that out, thanks for your help and time

[grim hornet]

It works! Thank you very much for your help!

[grim hornet]

After last bios update we are stuck here and input devices won’t work, I tried unplugging - still no response

[grizzled bloom]

?cmos

[silk jungle]

How to clear CMOS (works for AMD and Intel)
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025368/processors.html

[grim hornet]

It turns out that it only updated to F31

[grizzled bloom]

Ah, yeah you need to go up to F40 before you do the final jump

At least you're making progress

[grim hornet]

Ye, I tried F31 -> F40 -> F53b. But it did only update to F31

[graceful elm]

Hello, im trying to help my dad build a pc and he is big on storage. He wants to be able to have multiple m.2s and normal SSDs so i was wondering what kind of motherboard to get. Probably one with 4 m.2 slots as thats what i kind of saw as the most but we are working with a budget so the cheapest one you could recommend would be nice.

[burnt spear]

What's his budget for the build?

And how much storage were you looking to start out with?

[graceful elm]

he has a bunch of old multi terrabyte hard drives that hes looking to convert over to SSD and m.2s since this will be his first desktop in a while. He wants to do a build around $500 but im sure we are gonna go over that a bunch.

[burnt spear]

Ahh so he's transferring what's on those drives to these new ssds?

[graceful elm]

yeah

[burnt spear]

Any idea how much he's looking at total?

[graceful elm]

good thing is i gave him my old 3080 so gpu isnt a part of the budget

[burnt spear]

Is storage included in the $500 budget?

Or do you just need the path to add a bunch down the line

And sorry last few questions. What's the pc mainly being used for, does aesthetic/size matter, and does he need wifi or is ethernet available

[graceful elm]

so hes got about 8tb already that hes looking at converting over but he said he could probably cut that in half. Storage is not a part of the budget we just need enough for the os and some change to save files and stuff for now

[burnt spear]

Ah got it

That makes this much more doable

Also a big 8-16tb hdd is not a bad choice

$60-120 or so

[graceful elm]

need wifi, pc is gonna used for maybe possible extremely light gaming. then light video and photo editing.

aesthetic/size matter doesnt matter too much if it cuts down price

[burnt spear]

Light as in hobby level across, for all three of those tasks?

Bc we could do pretty cheap for this then

[graceful elm]

he has a small area hes trying to put a small L shapped desk in

and yeah like hobby stuff

nothing crazy at all

we were planning on the 7600x to make sure we could upgrade later and go ahead and be on ddr5 and stuff

[burnt spear]

You could def downgrade the gpu, if you wanted to add budget elsewhere

[graceful elm]

Zotac GAMING AMP Holo GeForce RTX 3080 10GB 10 GB Video Card

[burnt spear]

Meaning sell+buy another

[graceful elm]

thats what i gave him

its not a part of the budget

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6ykqTY

[burnt spear]

Yeah, but could sell it to go for a cheaper gpu, and add the difference to the total budget

[graceful elm]

ah yeah makes sense

[burnt spear]

3080 is def overkill for what he's doing, but that's not a bad thing

[graceful elm]

right right

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vGcB28

[graceful elm]

i didnt know there was a 7600 non x already

havent looked into the 7000 series much

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KjpDGP

[burnt spear]

Yeah, 7000 series has been out for a good while

9000 series just came out

No major perf gains

Just price and efficiency increases for the most part

[graceful elm]

im waiting on the 9800x3d to upgrade my 5800x non 3d so i can do ddr5

[burnt spear]

Nice

[graceful elm]

so i see the other 2 lists have intel

is it better than the 7600?

or just for if he likes intel more?

[burnt spear]

Just cheaper

[graceful elm]

gotcha

with the first build what are we looking at with storage?

[burnt spear]

Both have 3 m.2 slots, first has 4 sata slots I forgot to check for the second

It has 6

I doubt he'd need more than 3 m.2s and 4 satas honestly

2 4tb m.2s, 2 4tb sata ssds, 2 large capacity HDDs should be way more than enough

3 4tb m.2s if you ever replaced the boot drive

[graceful elm]

right

that sounds great

[burnt spear]

Actually something I didn't factor in is a case with enough space for all the satas

[graceful elm]

ah

right

[burnt spear]

Oh 3000d airflow has 2 2.5 and 2 3.5

Perfect lmao

[graceful elm]

oh wow

yeah

[burnt spear]

That case does only come with two fans, so you'd likely need to add one or two more

This also works
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/tvFmP6/bitfenix-flow-atx-mid-tower-case-bfc-flo-300-kkgsk-4a

[graceful elm]

gonna go with that one thank you

[frigid scarab]

Hey! I’m new to DDr5 and wondering which one to get. I’m looking at this 6000 MHZ CL30 which is $99 and the exact same one but it’s 6400 MHZ CL32. Only a $1-2 more. Which should i get?

https://a.co/d/31ZF34m

[grizzled bloom]

What processor are you pairing it with? If Intel 13th/14th gen, 6400. AMD or Intel 12th gen, 6000.

[frigid scarab]

Buying the 7800xd

[grizzled bloom]

6000c30 then

Some AMD processors have trouble running even that high, but 6000 is usually a safe bet

Make sure UCLK mode is set 1:1

[frigid scarab]

Sounds good I picked up the 7800xd for $300 which is -$150 off 🙏🏼 on Amazon

I forget with PCs if you upgrade one thing you’ll have to upgrade the others.. so I had to get a new motherboard and ram 😭

[grizzled bloom]

Yep that's what we call a platform upgrade. The good news is with the new motherboard, you're set for a few more generations if you want to upgrade the CPU down the line.

[frigid scarab]

For sure. I settled with the B650 a gaming WiFi. I’ve been with asus motherboards for years so I’m gonna stick with them..

[burnt spear]

Asus has the worst am5 mobos at their price points honestly

Maybe a couple exceptions like the asrock a620m h/m.2 or whatever it is

Maybe b650m-p and m-e are down there too

[grizzled bloom]

Asus mostly got flak for their frankly illegal warranty practices, but they claim they're fixing things

From what I've heard that is mostly true and they're re-evaluating past RMA requests

[burnt spear]

Yeah but their boards are still mediocre at their price points, and their low end boards are just yucky

B650m-a wifi ii if I remember right is bottom tier for vrms like that asrock a620

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah HUB straight up says avoid them all https://youtu.be/ZtHOOyWYiic?si=1i43qHgnZuWlrMzu&t=275

[frigid scarab]

i did hear that. taking the risk tho😭 🙏

[burnt spear]

This is the point of brand loyalty that is just weird...

Acknowledging a product is likely worse but buying it because they've made good products in the past is hilarious

You do you chief

[grizzled bloom]

Is it really a risk if you know for a fact what the result will be?
At least it won't make much difference on a 7800X3D but who knows for the future.

[frigid scarab]

Wouldn’t say good. Just has worked for me 🤷 always can return new items if it doesn’t workout in my favor

Doesn’t hurt to try

[tender sleet]

I'mma be real the only reason I'd even consider buying an Asus mobo is to avoid having to reinstall Windows and all my programs if I built a new PC rn

But since I'd also move to a pro key I'd do that anyway and by that point you might as well just use something else (B650E PG Riptide Wifi do be hot)

[cerulean wadi]

Techdeals has a plenty decent $121 B650M for whoever is fine w/ gigabyte. Some people are not.

[dull flint]

Asus strix is a functional board. 12x 50-60A vrm. Not the problem with that one. The elephant in the room on that one is base level B and A prime*.

The problem is cost. It's effectively an inflated price aorus. If you got a good sticker price with it, say, $160-ish, excellent. If not, I can count at least 39 boards that will be about as nice as that one, some 8 or 9 of which are a nice white, one of which being a better white Asus board at that.

If it's not too late to cancel or return, an alternative white motherboard would likely prove a lot nicer if this is what you're looking for, as strix is never the good value buy, less the recent rise of their former sub-brand Asrock effectively beating them on almost all accounts of quality and performance at this point if you choose the right one

The better value asus for example, provided this strix was bought for $230 before tax
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VZ6p99/asus-prime-x670-p-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-prime-x670-p-wifi

Meanwhile the usual go to recommendation for AM5 by and large often being this (B650/A620) or the hdv
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qcbRsY/asrock-b650m-pro-rs-wifi-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-b650m-pro-rs-wifi
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kvWJ7P/asrock-a620m-pro-rs-wifi-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-a620m-pro-rs-wifi

Or the alternative full white from gigabyte for aesthetics
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/w3dG3C/gigabyte-b650m-aorus-elite-ax-ice-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-b650m-aorus-elite-ax-ice
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CwjRsY/gigabyte-b650-aorus-elite-ax-ice-atx-am5-motherboard-b650-aorus-elite-ax-ice

And the new generation zero cable approach from MSI with project zero
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9sTZxr/msi-b650m-project-zero-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-b650m-project-zero

I have a pretty long list, these are just the white ones, all of which can handily run up to a 7950X on PBO (9950X still pending but unofficially capable atp)

Food for thought

Sorry I forgot another one 💀

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bCjBD3/gigabyte-b650-aero-g-atx-am5-motherboard-b650-aero-g

[vagrant mist]

List them all

[vagrant mist]

This is the same logic as the one guy who invested 700k into intel

"I love intel so I will invest in them"

[frigid scarab]

[vagrant mist]

Anyway, any of the choices feetlicks has put up are great

[dull flint]

It's a choice at the end of the day tho. I'm the most guilty of this but if it's an educated decision that's all that really matters. Everyone means well however, to bring about a better outcome, no harm done

While we may not have escalated very far with it, a reminder keeps us all good at what we try to do

[grim hornet]

How can I move the m.2 standoff?

[grizzled bloom]

It's just a screw, twist

[grim hornet]

Kinda can’t do that

I think it's built in, can I install the m.2 and stick it on the heatsink that goes into this standoff? (the m.2 is then not screwed to the mobo)

You get what I mean?

[grizzled bloom]

From your manual

Either there's another standoff included in the box or that one unscrews

[grim hornet]

What budget mobos are there for 5 5600x?

[indigo grail]

would this work for him?

[grim hornet]

I don’t have the box anymore and this standoff is for the heatsink - it can’t be removed :(

[grizzled bloom]

Possibly, worth a try for $5

[grim hornet]

What option should we go for?

[grizzled bloom]

Y

Unless you're using bitlocker

[dull flint]

That's permanent

Why do I know this

I tried unscrewing one

I put on the mcfindouts and I regretted it

[grizzled bloom]

AMD shame on you. You don't need to trip while laughing at how Intel fell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaPo5io-Gfw

[vagrant mist]

lmao

[obsidian lagoon]

whats good 32-3600mhz ddr4 ram rn? Someone told me corsair kinda sucked so i was wondering something I could get

[pliant siren]

They're sending a replacement. It was waranted since its damaged but they won't say what

[cursive epoch]

anything not corsair

[obsidian lagoon]

What makes corsair so bad lol, I've never had a problem with their ram in the past 5ish years. Is it something more recent that's been problematic?

[burnt spear]

They have a habit of mixing dies in the same kit of ram, which causes instability and inability to run xmp

On their ddr5 they lock a voltage that no other brand does

[cerulean wadi]

Some of their ddr4 was fine, but they were definitely better pre-ddr4. Sorry CoarseHair

[dull flint]

Top that off with the flakey icue support in 5/10 buyers

It's just bad from top to bottom

I can think of I think two countries that have Corsair at least near the top for a fair price

And even then they're only matching, not beating

[long geyser]

More info: Mixing ICs of the absolute lowest binning, then failing to properly test that binning. Corsair D4 had some pretty poor failure rates compared to other brands cuz it couldnt run XMP, and sometimes not even JEDEC, on various systems.

[pliant siren]

I am not starting to see... the answer is yes...

[frigid scarab]

Hey! I’m sure I know the answer but I’d like for someone who knows more than me. I had a ryzen 5800x with a RTX 4070 DDR4 3600MHZ. I upgraded to the 7800xd DDR5 6000MHZ and noticed only a 5-10 FPS difference..? Now this is bottle neck correct? I believe that’s my answer but would rather have someone who knows more tell me :). I just didn’t think it would be that such little difference

[dull flint]

Depends on the game

But basically

If the gpu says 100%

Or 99%

Yes

[frigid scarab]

Yeah MW3 does. Honestly thought the 4070 would hold up..

[dull flint]

7800x3d is good for almost any gpu at a relatively expected resolution for mw3

[frigid scarab]

Cyberpunk I noticed a 10-15 difference

[dull flint]

4070 at 1440p, no surprise imo

Cyberpunk, yes, I'd believe that

Late dlc made it super cpu intensive

[frigid scarab]

Honestly super disappointed but I did expect a bottle neck. You think I should just keep the parts? I don’t plan on upgrading my GPU for another 3-4 years

Yeah

They’re brand new idm returning

[dull flint]

Imo?

4070 kinda bleh for the price

Unless you got it for like

450-ish, kinda hard to call it good

But I don't see anything objectively wrong, all said and done

A game will speed up to a bottleneck, as with anything else

Though changing your pc based on that, I would only really care about that if the pc was making me money

Lol

Consider it from a value standpoint, if you wanted more and it's underwhelming, consider changing

A 7800x3d is really good tho, arguably could be still hugely competitive to next gen x3d

You'd be set in the cpu department for a long time imo

[frigid scarab]

Yeah heard it’s the best gaming cpu. Def underwhelming. I’m assuming games that are more CPU based such as GTA 5 will do better correct? Even with a 4070 in GTA I was getting 70-80 FPS taking in the fact the game is poorly optimized.

[dull flint]

Yeah

So the easier time the gpu has to render, the harder the cpu (or even cache/ram, or ssd!) has to keep up

Having a perfect balance between all is nigh on impossible for a game, the load varies on the situation

The two most obvious bottlenecks are cpu and gpu, and it's not good to focus on these things

[frigid scarab]

Understandable. Assuming that then playing on higher settings then all low would be better in my situation, now that I’m getting bottle neck?

[dull flint]

For this reason

I have a tl;dr

?bottleneck

[silk jungle]

"TL;DR Bottleneck calculators take massive generalisations and will cause someone to almost completely miss the entire snapshot of the performance that they wanted to know in the first place.

Bottleneck calculators are a commonly searched tool on the internet to make a generalised comment on a pairing of hardware for things such as games, workstation software, rendering and the like.

Bottlenecks are regarded as a limit for a pc in a given task, and each different workload, each different game, each different task may and will push a pc to a limit in a certain way, and it's never the same way. Some games will push the cpu to a limit, most the GPU, some the ram, etc.

Bottleneck calculators try to generalise this and this is why you should never use them. It isn't a true outlook of the hardware you'd be working with and doesn't give you a real take on the performance, especially when you consider your own individual needs. Some bottlenecks are good for example, a lot are expected and normal, some are caused by the application itself and don't bring out the full pc performance either, the games or apps you use might be very specific and unique in their behaviour and have an entirely different realm of performance altogether."

[dull flint]

^This is why you never use bottleneck calculators

You can discuss specific bottlenecks and it's a statement to the game or scenario

But bottleneck calcs generalise it to all things which is misrepresentation

Like how you said, cod wasn't better, but cyberpunk was

[frigid scarab]

I thought so

Yeah, ima test out GTA later and see

[dull flint]

Playing on lower settings would push the load off the gpu onto the cpu more

Inversely, increasing adds to the gpu load

Reducing cpu stress

And both of these have an effective ceiling in each scenario

A real world limit as to how fast

A perfect balance between the two would have them both at 95%+

But that's unrealistic

I will say this tho

If you do want a bit bigger of a bump, and the 4070 is returnable, a 7800xt is basically the same price and a lot better if you ignore RT

In MW3, huge fps explosions

MW3 LOVES AMD

But cyberpunk doesn't

So....

Worth weighing up anyway

[dull flint]

GTA is maxed out on a lot of modern hardware now at the engine limit

Which is like

165-ish

Might not help a whole lot

[scenic solar]

Just bought a 2×16GB crucial ddr4 kit, and it supports 3200mts, but i only noticed cas latency is something like 22-(22-22)... the kit will be used for my home server that hosts my mc server + ftp and eventually something else.
Did i buy a decent kit, or will I lose a lot of performance? Currently runs 16gig 2133cl21 or similar

[velvet pagoda]

you won't notice between cas 18 or 22 for what you're doing

only notice in benchmarks really

[scenic solar]

Just saw the really good price and didn't think much of the whole ram specs

[velvet pagoda]

speed more important than cas

unless cas is a really big number

[scenic solar]

Alternative is gskill, €10+ more however it has 16-18-18 timings

[velvet pagoda]

for an mc/file server, what you have is fine

[scenic solar]

Ok, thanks. I also thought those were not demanding scenarios and latency is no big issue. Just had to be sure

Still an upgrade over the current bottlenecked setup

Rn I'm running 1×16GB 2133mts c18~21 or something

[velvet pagoda]

ya, should see a nice boost with 3200 although it also depends on the cpu

[grizzled bloom]

Latency mostly affects 1% lows when gaming, servers don't care. Lots of Minecraft servers are running DDR5-4000 c36 right now.

[vagrant mist]

What about Ddr4 4000

[cerulean wadi]

4000c18 for instance has a bit lower overall latency vs 3200c16. Nothing we notice in most programs.

[grizzled bloom]

Servers aren't typically going to run that, especially if they have 2dpc

DDR4 3200 is about as high as they go, and with all slots filled even that would be difficult

[scenic solar]

Thank you all

[obsidian lagoon]

g.skill trident z ddr4 has no issues right?

I kinda wanna get the rgb ram instead of just normal

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/P7RYcf/team-t-force-delta-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-tf3d432g3600hc18jdc01

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GdNv6h/silicon-power-xpower-turbine-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-memory-sp032gxlzu320bdb

[obsidian lagoon]

did you send that cause theyre both cheaper?

[meager elbow]

Better value

Probably

[dull flint]

Is better

Those two sets also don't commit self-delid like Trident Z's do

[scenic solar]

Best one to pair with ryzen 9 x3d and 4080/4090 (or 50 series)?

Or just any other recommendation

Just has to be below €250 and good features

Is 32gig of ram enough for basically anything? Rendering, editing....?

[burnt spear]

I'd take the first one assuming it's at least €20 cheaper

[grizzled bloom]

It depends on the program you're using and the size of the project. I've seen Blender use over 64GB on a massive scale render.

48GB is the most you can usually do without sacrificing speed for capacity., also.

[dull flint]

Provided the 48gb price is reasonable yeah

Often 64 is similar in price to 48 for good sticks

[scenic solar]

And what about cpu? 7800x3d, 7900x3d or 7950x3d?

Theres a big gap in price and performance between 7900 and 7950 x3ds

7800x3d just has half c/t even tho it matches 7950x3d gaming performance. Not sure if the 8 cores would be a bottleneck for the more demanding tasks such as rendering/editing

[wraith igloo]

Yall i need a bit of help. I want to upgrade my laptop's ram to 32 gb ddr5 but idk if i should get 2 sticks or 1. There is a slight possibility that I will have to upgrade to 64 but its not that high. My frnd suggested me that i should get 1 stick since it doesnt really matter to get dual channel in ddr5 since its already something like that.

Also he is asking me to use 8 gb + 32 gb. What do I do?

[dull flint]

Not really a limit

It's more on how hard is the workload

[dull flint]

8+8, 16+16 or 32+32

Don't mix capacities and ic's

I would get a kit

Luckily it's laptops so, just pick the cheapest honestly

Jedec doesn't need anything special

[wraith igloo]

Cheapest for me is one stick of 32 gb

its cheaper than 16 + 16

[dull flint]

If you prefer that

Sure tbh

I'd do 16+16 tho imo

[wraith igloo]

I might need to upgrade to 64 gb in the future

[dull flint]

Even though it's not nearly as bad on ddr5, full quad channel 16+16 still better than 32 alone

[wraith igloo]

My laptop does not have quad slots :"D

[dull flint]

Depends on the need but you'd need a pretty crazy laptop imo to warrant that

[dull flint]

Ddr5 is 2 channels per slot

So 2 slots

Ddr4 was 1 per slot

[wraith igloo]

Oh right

yea

I got this laptop: G614JV-N4141WS

although the store page does not say it supports 64 gb

the command shows that it does

[dull flint]

So 13980hx 4060

Is that right

[wraith igloo]

yes

Also one more question, are the intel 13th and 14th gen stability issues affecting laptops as well?

or is it just the desktop cpus

[dull flint]

13980hx appears to be affected so yes, look into what you can do

#cpus-mobo-and-memory message

^Huge info dump if you want to learn

I believe undervolting is the play rn for hx but they may have an update out

[wraith igloo]

Alright ill check that out, tysm :D

[dull flint]

Np

[burnt spear]

Never been happier that my laptop has a 6800u lol

[long scaffold]

Which is better ryzen 7 7700x or ryzen 7 7800x3d

[dull flint]

The x3d obviously

7700x is like slightly better multicore but the x3d is better in a bigger way with games

Granted you're not massively gpu bound all the time

[long scaffold]

Ok

Will a ryzen 77800 x3d and 4070 super be a good combo ?

@dull flint

[dull flint]

Sure

As long as you shop mindfully for everything, any combo can make sense

[long scaffold]

Ok

[grizzled bloom]

That would be an excellent 1080p configuration, but if you're targeting 1440p then consider trading some CPU budget for the GPU and looking at the 4080 super.

Not to say it would be bad at 1440p but the 4080 would be better

[burnt spear]

7800x3d imo makes sense with any gpu equivelant to a 4070 super/gre or better at 1440p

[dull flint]

X3d always makes sense in an fps gamer's build imo

[grizzled bloom]

If you're not going for max detail then yes I'd agree

[burnt spear]

And tbf the x3d is only $200 more than the 7600, while the 4080 super is $350 more than the 4070s

Although it's really expensive rn

$413 for a 7800x3d when it's been $310 before is depressing

[dull flint]

Also 4070 super would be insane for 1080p lol

[burnt spear]

7900x3d is cheaper than it lmao

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XccgXL/amd-ryzen-9-7900x3d-44-ghz-12-core-processor-100-100000909wof

[grizzled bloom]

The black sheep of the family

[dull flint]

Tmw the parent company knows what everyone wants so it jacks that to sell the things no one wants

[covert cloud]

guys is msi tomahawk b650 mag a good motherboard for 250$ and has no issues? like bios wise

[dull flint]

Can't think of a single situation where a tomahawk is worth it

Every extra pcie slot is 1x

The io is meh

The bpard quality is hardly better than their cheaper offerings

Would rather an x670 gaming x ax for that price

Or go with a $130 choice instead cos asrock can do most of all these things and also do better for less

Bios issues won't matter by brand

Agesa has rarely if ever at all been specifically problematic to a brand

[covert cloud]

yah but i only need one for the gpu but i have it same price with the x670 gaming x ax like u said should i take it?

this is my build https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tChGKX

[grizzled bloom]

You're paying for the slots even if you aren't using them

[dull flint]

Really gonna try to be nice here

Like not trying to be aggressive

Pretty much every single choice there is outclassed by a better value choice

Lol

Overspenditure ranks at about 400 extra by the looks of it

You can get similar results for a lot less

[covert cloud]

ya but some of them are close price to the other comparisons at least in my region

[dull flint]

Again being really nice here

Don't think I've searched in any country and found a 990 pro as the top pick

990 pro was outdated the day it came out

[grizzled bloom]

990 pro is also prone to self dying

[covert cloud]

idk everyone says keep the 990 for the system it's faster

[burnt spear]

990 pro, case, sn770, aio and ram i would change

[burnt spear]

because a lot of people are misinformed

"more number=better"

i just moved from a sata cs900 ssd to a p41 plus for my boot drive

and there is barely any difference

for games theres literally no difference

[dull flint]

Example
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yr7Zt7

[grizzled bloom]

They're also convinced Samsung is the best brand ever because they made good drives 15 years ago

[dull flint]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/296384065250?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=Ok6NaWEKSPa&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[grizzled bloom]

There's faster and more reliable drives for cheaper now

[dull flint]

After punching the numbers in it looks closer to 600 or 700

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TGfkFs

g70 pro graphene is among the best gen 4 ssds

same ballpark as 990 pro

[covert cloud]

but is it fine to use the same m.2 for the windows and games same time?

[burnt spear]

yes

[dull flint]

I like the board idea bacca

Yeah one m.2 is fine

[burnt spear]

aio is still very overpriced, but cheapest 360 with an lcd display

[dull flint]

Halfway house
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/b8YwN6

[dull flint]

Once you pass the $80 extra mark, raspberry pi screen mounted to case is cheaper and infinitely better

So safe limit imo is like, 120-ish

[covert cloud]

ya but the prices are very different where i live like the EVGA CLCx 360 73.15 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler is the same price as the kraken 360

[dull flint]

You could really stick most of any semi new aio on a 7800x3d without a problem tbh

Even the 120's

That cpu sips power, poor heat transfer is the reason it gets hot

Contained by the copper vcache conductive layer

Not the cooler's being bad by any means

Anyway I think you'll stand to save a lot here

Irregardless of the place cos the ssds alone are a big cut

[covert cloud]

i can get the ARCTIC Liquid Freezer III 360 for 150$ is it good?

[dull flint]

150 sounds expensive af for that

Good cooler, strange price

[covert cloud]

or i can get the non rgb for 110$ if it is a good deal?

[dull flint]

110 sounds way better

Still kinda pricey

Any thermalright would be nicer

Or a new idcooling

Fx240, fx360, etc

[covert cloud]

i got the fx360 for 150$ and i like it more than the kraken already but is it a good price?

[dull flint]

110 is the best so far

What is the cheapest available

[covert cloud]

Thermalright Aqua Elite 360 ARGB V2 for 80$

[burnt spear]

Check the sl360

Sl240 if you don't need it to be 360mm

[covert cloud]

300

[burnt spear]

Ew

[covert cloud]

yah bad prices

[dull flint]

1000% this one

[long scaffold]

Package acquired 😩

[vagrant mist]

Its still wild that the 7800x3d has a 780 in it

[long scaffold]

I wish some one can built my pc for me so I don’t mess anything up

[dull flint]

*720

2CU (720m) instead of 12CU (780m) iirc

[vagrant mist]

damn

[long scaffold]

I have everything but my gpu would I be able to turn on my pc and setup windows without my gpu or no

[cerulean wadi]

If the cpu has an igpu, yes.

[raw crest]

guys what best mobo for 7800x3d and for later am5 GIGABYTE B650 AORUS ELITE AX V2 or MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK or ASRock B650E PG RIPTIDE?

[burnt spear]

Riptide

You doing a full new build?

[raw crest]

ya

[raw crest]

why what the difference between it and the msi b650 tomahawk?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes, the 7800X3D CPU includes a basic iGPU you can use while you wait.

[grizzled bloom]

Personally I'd also be looking at the Riptide. It has better memory support and also has a faster header for USB C. The Aorus is also a good board, with some of the best VRM thermals out of all B650 boards.

[raw crest]

what do u mean by the memory support bec am buying cl30 6000 and they all support this speed

[grizzled bloom]

If you're not planning on overclocking it then the memory support isn't something to worry about

It would be between the Aorus and the Riptide for me

[raw crest]

but the riptide is same as the msi other wise right?

bec i don't like the blue color on the riptide lol

and i don't want to take a bad mobo for the color only

[grizzled bloom]

The MSI has a slower header for the front USB C port

[raw crest]

u mean for the case?

[grizzled bloom]

10Gbps instead of 20Gbps

Yes for the front panel

Which is the one you would usually want to use for VR if that matters to you at all

So the speed on that port can matter a lot

[raw crest]

but that's the main difference right? and the memory support also

[grizzled bloom]

For the most part yes

The MSI has 2 extra SATA ports but you probably don't care about that

4 is enough for most people these days

[raw crest]

ya and I use m.2 anyways

[grizzled bloom]

Do you care if the motherboard has a displayport connector in addition to the HDMI?