cpus-mobo-and-memory

[grizzled bloom]

CPU socket on that threadripper is fragile apparently

[wispy hill]

Quick question about an ancient system: I've got an old Optiplex 745 SFF that I'm spending a couple dollars on to modernise (yes I know, don't state the obvious please). Looking at Dell's tech specs it states the max RAM and speed as
DDR2-667 with four 2s or
DDR2-800 with four 512MB or 1GB modules

How biblical do you guys think those specs are? I know some older machines list lower specs because of CPU tech at the time of listing and can run more RAM with a CPU upgrade but this machine has the memory controller on the North bridge and I've never exceeded that before and am unsure if the limits imposed are due to avaliability of RAM modules at the time before bigger ones came out

[grizzled bloom]

You can put faster memory into it but it will only run it at those speeds, much like a laptop.

As for putting more than 8GB of memory into it, I don't think the memory controller itself is capable of that because larger DIMMs will be registered ECC memory for servers.

Consumer systems require you to use UDIMM, aka Unregistered, memory.

Up to 8GB per stick is only possible on server or workstation grade processors, like the Xeon series

[wispy hill]

Ooh okay, I didn't realize the bigger modules were only ECC. I wasn't planning on more than 4x4 but back then those were also probably enterprise

[grizzled bloom]

Well I do see 4x4GB udimm kits but they're $300 so that's probably not the upgrade you wanted

$100 on ebay but only if you ship it from China

[wispy hill]

Yeah now that I'm looking again, they sure are all ECC

I'll just stick with the 4x2. Should be enough for the light consumer use I see it being used for

Thanks for the tip on the registered sticks

[sudden creek]

What does disabling Global C states do?

[grizzled bloom]

It'll disable sleeping on AMD chips, as well as boosting. So it'll be locked at the base clock speed.

[sudden creek]

gotcha..

[grizzled bloom]

Don't know why I said boosting twice. I need more caffeine.

[dull flint]

If you have ECLK (Only on a handful of AM5) you can disable c states then set ECLK to run the base clock multiplier all the way up to boost

Bit of a wild west way of overclocking but it's a way to overcome the C state loss

[sudden creek]

gotcha.

Is that like PBO or is it like a static oc?

[grizzled bloom]

That's also the way to overclock X3D funny enough

But boy does that suck without voltage control

[sudden creek]

🤞 I no longer crash,

Updated windows (there was a update) and so far nothing bad.

[scenic solar]

Another win

Unbent a bunch of pins and still works with a few missing ones

Both ram channels are working, even if a few of the missing pins are for the ram slots.
Will need to further test stability for the two systems

Oh, and the chipped cpu works (quite obviously)

[cursive epoch]

chipped chip working

[scenic solar]

https://tenor.com/view/desi-ioneemno-desi-banks-yezzir-yessir-gif-26090737

[grizzled tendon]

I’ve been wanting to upgrade mobo for awhile, I’ve looked into good options, and everything I found was from a few years ago. I wanted to get any opinions that may be more up to date. But I have a ryzen 5 3600 with a 2060. And right now I have ddr4.

[cursive epoch]

I'd probably just buy a 5800x3d

[grizzled tendon]

I’m sorry I searched that, and I was shown cpus

[sudden creek]

It is a cpu. Would offer a large uplift in performance (especially gaming due to the extra cache).

[cursive epoch]

^

You don't need a platform upgrade yet

As that will add cost quick

But then again for around $300-350 you could easily upgrade to AM5 and start with 7600

[grizzled tendon]

I’m sorry, I’m just looking to upgrade my motherboard, so I could donate my older one just.

I don’t really have any issues with playing games

[sudden creek]

Alright.

[grizzled tendon]

But thanks I’ll look into that too now. Haha

[cursive epoch]

Value wise it's just a waste to buy another AM4 board, s'all

[grizzled tendon]

Then maybe I should upgrade my cpu instead. Thank you both very much! 🙂

On neweggs website it comes with a free motherboard haha

[cursive epoch]

Yep there's a deal rn

[burnt spear]

I'd do 5700x3d btw

It's basically the same as the 5800x3d just a good bit cheaper

For mobo on am4, a520m plus wifi is good

[cursive epoch]

oh yeah

forgot about the 5700x3d

[burnt spear]

Ye I still wish it was $200-225 tho

Would make it a much better sell vs 7600

[dull flint]

5700x3d or go up to next gen boards with am5 and a whole new cpu and ram

Everything else is kinda mid

Except 5600, but that's not really a huge upgrade from 3600

[grizzled tendon]

Thank you

[amber canopy]

reminds me of the time I got two X299e-ITX boards full working for like a 1/5th of what they normally go for

[sudden creek]

yay another crash. (for f sakes).

[scenic solar]

I got this asrock h310 mb for €3.5 and the strix z270e for €20.
+€18 shipping :/
But the rog itself is worth 3 times the amount i spent for these two

[pale fox]

Just a question, I have got a 3060,16gbx2 and a 5600x

with my cpu how can I improve futher on its peformance?

Should I consider manually overclocking it or get another cpu?

[burnt spear]

At 1440p, 7800xt/4070/3080/6800xt

Oh

I thought you meant upgrading gpu

Gaming, you're gpu limited with a 3060

[pale fox]

okay

[burnt spear]

You'd see more of a difference with gpu overclocking, and overall cpu ocing isn't really beneficial for gaming, at least not noticeably

Gpu ocing is also much easier

[pale fox]

Okay I understand

[burnt spear]

There's a tutorial in #overclocking

In the pins*

[pale fox]

okay, ill make sure to check

but with theses gpus that you listed is it potential that my cpu might bottleneck it?

[burnt spear]

For gaming, if you want a simple overclock, just download msi afterburner, do +115mhz on the core and +650mhz on the vram. That'll be stable on any 3060 no matter how unlucky you are

[burnt spear]

The cpu would start to limited them yeah

What?

Why?

Article here https://mezha.media/en/2024/02/13/ryzen-8700g-can-be-up-to-17-faster-after-replacing-thermal-paste/

That just seems like a terrible idea on AMDs part. Won't it dry up just like any other paste?

That's extremely anti user friendly

[pale fox]

then what amd cpus would you suggest?

[burnt spear]

7600, 7800x3d, 5700x3d, 5600x3d

5600x is fine to pair with them though

There will always be a limiting factor in your build

It's impossible to avoid

5600x with any of those gpus, unless you're playing at 1080p is a good pairing

[gilded cape]

Does anyone have a recommendation of what cpu l should get to replace my 5600g? My gpu is a 5700xt.

[burnt spear]

5700x3d, 5600x3d, or 7600

[grizzled bloom]

The 5700X3D might be a good upgrade. One of your cheaper, good options at $250 and it gets the performance of a 7600X.

5600X3D too, right, but that's only if you have a microcenter near you since it's exclusive.

[gilded cape]

Sounds good, thank you. I’ll probably get the 5700X3D then.

[dull flint]

with c states disabled???

RMA it dude

At this point, it's either not worth it or something profound

[dull flint]

Not really a hot chip anyway tbf, and very easy to delid unlike the rest of ryzen

[burnt spear]

Yeah, but more people aren't than are willing or knowledgeable enough to

[dull flint]

well all AM5 has been like this tho

[burnt spear]

Really??

That seems like an awful idea

[dull flint]

yeah, not paste but like

delid and change always has positive yield

[burnt spear]

Oh yeah

But with the paste won't your cpu start throttling at some point or another?

[dull flint]

10 degrees is both an incredible and at the same time not too incredible difference

[burnt spear]

But that's new

[dull flint]

as long as it's good paste no

[burnt spear]

In three four years I doubt it'd be that slim

[dull flint]

some paste can be permanent

like ptm

[burnt spear]

Oh hm

[dull flint]

you imagine like servers right

[burnt spear]

Yeah thats a good point

Didn't think of that

[dull flint]

I will agree it's definitely gonna be a step down

but on a 90w chip stock?

mmm nah

[burnt spear]

Also while you're here can I ask a very unrelated question

[dull flint]

sure

this reminds me

intel used to use paste

[burnt spear]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0CK8H31Y1/ref=ox_sc_act_image_3?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1
Any reason to avoid this?

[dull flint]

back when their chips were all sub 100W

ooo the wood looks nice

[burnt spear]

And im sure it's being done better now than it was years and years ago

[dull flint]

I'd say no, should be fine imo

try it, probably quite cheap

[burnt spear]

Dope, ordered it like 30min ago lol

[dull flint]

so don't expect sturdy

[burnt spear]

As long as it can support at least 2 monitors and some other basic stuff, im good w it

[dull flint]

$70 msrp tells me this won't feel like anything great from say like IKEA or a name brand

but it's a desk

it's probably fine and functional

[burnt spear]

I'm coming from a desk that's older than me and the keyboard and mouse tray is falling to pieces

And it has tons of dings, scratches and dents

Ty for the feedback

[dull flint]

get this colour

looks the nicest

black looks ok too

white a bit weirdge

[burnt spear]

The rooms got mostly black furniture so I went w the black

It's also going between a black desk and a black TV stand thingy

[dull flint]

yeah, kinda want it all to match

or tie in with the rest of the house yk

[burnt spear]

Our room is a former living room so we have a big ass TV on the wall with a black cabinet thingy under it

[sudden creek]

C states is not disabled.

[dull flint]

it's the real litmus test

if it happens with c states disabled there's probably something more seriously wrong with it or the problem is something else like the psu

[sudden creek]

gotcha

I updated my drivers today so if it crashes again I will try disabling c-states

[sudden creek]

what is Litmus?

[gilded cape]

Does anyone have any recommendations for a black motherboard that isn’t too expensive but still gets the job done?

[burnt spear]

What cpu?

[gilded cape]

A 5600g but might upgrade to a 5700X3D

[dull flint]

so something semi decent

[gilded cape]

MSI B550-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard (B550-A PRO) - PCPartPicker

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7gxbt6/msi-b550-a-pro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550-a-pro

Would this work, or could l get something cheaper that looks similar? I was looking for a full size black motherboard.

[burnt spear]

Ye that's good

[dull flint]

As cheap as you can go if possible

Actually 109, that's not bad at all

Should be ok

[gilded cape]

Sounds good, thank you guys for the help, l appreciate. Still kinda new to pc’s overall.

[dull flint]

https://wccftech.com/amd-discovers-new-vulnerabilities-affecting-zen-1-2-3-4-cpus-bios-mitigations-released/

[sudden creek]

You think updating my bios would help with stability? I am on Agesa 1.0.8.0

[burnt spear]

yes

[sudden creek]

I forget. If I update my bios do I need to reinstall the amd chipset drivers being adrenaline?

Or is that only for when resetting windows.

[dull flint]

It can help

But agesa is also potluck sometimes

No guarantee it's better

[sudden creek]

Does this type of thing happen with Intel's products lately or?

I guess before I do that I am gonna switch to an older GPU driver since It was updated.

Well at least I am not nearly as concerned now cause it seems I have 1 year to RMA this cpu.

[dull flint]

Intel has it's own can of worms

[sudden creek]

!ddu

?ddu

[silk jungle]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[sudden creek]

ahh gotcha

installing the GPU drivers from december rn

Just disabled Global C-States as well.

[tender sleet]

holy crap that would be so good for me

[ocean cradle]

Is this something to worry about?

[burnt spear]

Doubt

[hollow thorn]

good to do, not something thats likely to affect you, most of them have to do with having access to your physical motherboard.

[burnt spear]

They just use that headline to get clicks

Freak people out, more likely to get views

[grizzled bloom]

Anytime a headline says something like "You need to do this NOW!" it's click bait. In this case AMD has revealed vulnerabilities in their BIOS that they uncovered and there is no evidence they have been exploited by hackers yet.

[midnight pollen]

omg no you have to do it noowww

[grizzled bloom]

And only that one article will tell you how to do it but only at the bottom of the page once you scroll past 30 ads

[scenic solar]

I'm tempted to buy 64gb 3600 of ddr4 corsair ram for €80, should I?

[burnt spear]

Do you do anything beyond gaming?

[sick iron]

I'm having trouble figuring out where to plug in my fans, anyone got ideas?

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B760-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI

[scenic solar]

Yes
I'd also like to push minecraft to its limits since i have capable hardware
It's quite a good deal and it's C. Vengeance, same model I currently have (16gb)

[burnt spear]

...minecraft?

What the heck are you doing on mc that needs 64gb lmao

[scenic solar]

I do things such as rendering stuff, running a bunch of vms and editing

[burnt spear]

If you think you need more than 32gb sure go for it, but it might not run 3600mhz

[scenic solar]

The power of 128 chunks

[burnt spear]

Literally for what reason

And that would be cpu

I dont think even my 13600k could do that at a high frame rate

[scenic solar]

I probably don't need 64, 32 would do the job but considering the price, this one is just a good choice

[burnt spear]

64gb can hurt performance over 32, what cpu do you have?

And what would a 32gb 3600mhz kit cost used?

[scenic solar]

Trust me it likely can, Oc 5600x (i may upgrade later) is capable of rendering at least 64 chunks with "good" framerates together with the 6950xt

[scenic solar]

Most of them go for €70-80

[burnt spear]

I mean sure try it, you can always resell it later

[scenic solar]

Exactly

At the time I paid the 16gb kit €80... new

And this one is 4 times the amount of ram, higher speed, same price

If I change my mind after testing the 64gbs in my main system I can always move them to the "server"

Btw the minecraft one was kind of a joke, I'll never run more than 64gb of ram on a daily basis for my gameplay. But it's worth just for testing it, been trying for long to squeeze all that java juice coffee out of the game

I currently can't render past 48c in 1.19 16g allocated, not sure if that's because of the game version or the gpu, since I was able to render 128 with the 2080, but it might have been a different version I was using.

I feel like the gpu doesn't really contribute to amount of chunks you can render, just the fps you'll get for visualizing that many

I guess this one may be a decent investment since I don't plan on upgrading mb/cpu soon. there still are some nice am4 chips out there, will wait for good deals or price drops until I get one for cheap.

[dull flint]

https://wccftech.com/amd-discovers-new-vulnerabilities-affecting-zen-1-2-3-4-cpus-bios-mitigations-released/

[sick iron]

can someone look at this? my pc won't turn on

did I forget to plug something in?

I'll send a pic

[ripe tartan]

@burnt spear

[burnt spear]

The case power button cable labeled power sw

I think that's missing

@sick iron

Aside from that make sure gpu, cpu, and mobo connections are secure

[sick iron]

I got it to turn on

[burnt spear]

Ah nice

[sick iron]

but

only one of the fans on the bottom and one of the fans on the side is working

I think that is a separate issue

[burnt spear]

They might be pwm fans and would ramp up under load? If they're all the same fans then ye it's likely a physical thing

[sick iron]

how should I fix it

also

when I turn it on the motherboard is red

the whitd

then green

and I can't get a signal on my montier

[dull flint]

Is th-

Is this a new pc?

All new?

[sick iron]

yes

[dull flint]

can you send me your pcpartpicker and tell me how much you spent/what you bought new

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

[sick iron]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mh29vj

everything is brand new

[dull flint]

ok it's not as bad as I thought

[sick iron]

bruh

[dull flint]

I thought I was looking at like, Z590 11th gen

[sick iron]

nah

[dull flint]

means it's posting

so it's booting up, something's not getting it to display

like it wants displayport and you're using hdmi

bad display cable

cable not plugged all the way in/right spot

things like that

[sick iron]

hmm okay

on the cord that I plugged into the gpu, there was another cord exactly like it

like it split into 2 of them

[dull flint]

you mean the power cable

[sick iron]

could that be an issue? there was nowhere else to plug it in

yeah

I think so

[dull flint]

it should only take one so one should be fine

It's possible but like, really unlikely

one of the last things I'd consider

[sick iron]

there was also a pcie 5.0 cord

but there is nowhere to plug it in on my motherboard

so I didn't use it

I'm not sure what it is for

[dull flint]

you don't need that

[sick iron]

what's it's purpose?

[dull flint]

nvidia 40 series

[sick iron]

alr

so the lights on the motherboard are normal then?

[dull flint]

those lights are a cycle through to post

so you're missing the part where the monitor lights up basically

change display cables

try different inputs

all that jazz

[sick iron]

awesome sauce

I'll see what I can do

[rotund crypt]

AM5 AMD mobo suggestions?

[grizzled bloom]

For which CPU exactly, and what specific needs do you have? (WiFi, RGB, etc)

[rotund crypt]

Don't need wifi

Actually nvm sorry 😅

[vital rampart]

I need help i disabled csm in bios now my pc doesnt start up

[cursive epoch]

Enable csm again

Your windows install is on mbr, thus no secure boot

[vital rampart]

It doesnt start up

[cursive epoch]

You can still get into bios

[vital rampart]

Oh wait i get display

[cursive epoch]

What board do you have?

[vital rampart]

Wait i am in after 10 minutes

[vital rampart]

Asrock pro rs or something

Just got it

[cursive epoch]

Nevermind then

Seems like your problem fixed itself

[vital rampart]

Yeah

[dull flint]

AM5 moment it sounds like

Long boot times are a thing

[grizzled bloom]

Update the bios and it usually fixes the long training times

[dull flint]

It's memory context restore that does

If you don't flick that over, you have permanent long boot

(I do this for a stability boost)

But depending on the bios yes, it can enable it

[dull flint]

https://www.tomshardware.com/software/controversial-benchmarking-website-goes-behind-paywall-userbenchmark-now-requires-a-pound10-monthly-subscription

[cursive epoch]

lmao

good

let it die

[split copper]

About time somebody put this fact down in writing

It's been like that for at least since I tried it several days ago

[dull flint]

I'm surprised any reputable source noticed it tbh

[split copper]

I am a reputable source

Source: trust me

[scenic solar]

Oh, nooo the best website ever for pc components that obviously provides reliable benchmarks & specs for our pc components and definitely doesn't make preferences towards intel... is dying. What a shame.

[ripe tartan]

Light mode user

Shame

Shaaaaame

[ripe tartan]

Good man

Smart man

[dull flint]

Hey now I can diss UBM in both light and dark mode

Newegg has everything now

[tender sleet]

Blessed

[amber canopy]

womp womp

[sudden creek]

I think I finally found the f-ing source of the crashes.

It seems FanControl is the cause of it. 4 days no issues, then all of a sudden after opening FanControl 15m later I experienced the exact same crash as before.

[vast meadow]

Ewww why are you using in windows fan control anyway

[sudden creek]

I am not.

I was using the 3rd party Fan Control app that people like to recommend.

https://getfancontrol.com/

this one

[vast meadow]

Yeah that's what i mean, anything other than bios like

[sudden creek]

Oh really? well anyways I am almost certain that's the cause now so I will never be touching that thing again

Cause as mentioned for 4 days I left my PC on with the usual apps and workflow (except fanControl) then as soon as I open up the FanControl app a few minutes later my PC experienced the exact same crash symptoms.

Welp my PC just crashed again with Fan Control disabled.

[sudden creek]

Contacting AMD and Microsoft support.

[sudden creek]

if anyone has any idea as to what else could be causing these crashes please tell me.... All help is extremely appreciated.

[long geyser]

BIOS fan control sucks. BIOS hysteresis usually sucks and isnt customizable, response time is pretty jank half the time, cant mix sensor data (ex: case fans choose between hottest of two components like CPU/GPU), dont have access to all sensors (GPU/RAM), etc.

[vast meadow]

Well yes and no, it sucks from a customisation standpoint, it's way better in a not hogging resources and not going to be janky

Sure response time is slow but you don't need your fans updating rpm more than like every 10 seconds, realistically more

[long geyser]

Response times are too fast most of the time in BIOS

Also FC takes like 50mb of RAM and basically never touches CPU

Like OpenRGB, it is pretty well optimized

Consistently low utilization in all resources

[vast meadow]

Fair enough, just feels wrong to me

Not a fan

Budum tsss

Pun not intended

But great pun now that i saw it

[scenic solar]

Can changing the boot order in some way help get a faster boot for my b550 mb?
I mean, will it get any faster if I disable, for example, usb floppy, or cd/dvd..?

[stiff kraken]

option 1 means option 1

it's going to check option 1 first

rest doesn't matter

[scenic solar]

So if it just finds an os in the 1st one, all others will be skipped...?

Should try tomorrow and see if just disabling the non used ones will save up a few seconds

[stiff kraken]

sounds like your OS is just bloated if you're thinking about saving a few seconds in boot time

my entire boot time is "a few seconds"

[stiff kraken]

why would it have any reason to continue

[scenic solar]

Not really, I reinstalled Windows about 5 months ago, but this time, I did my best to avoid any sort of bloatware. My b550 takes about 15s to show the mb logo. Meanwhile, Win boot time is just over 5s

Just wanted to know if there's something in the bios that may help me get a faster post time

On another build i have, asrock h310, takes less than ten seconds to fully boot.

And that's a €40 mb vs a €120 mb

[stiff kraken]

windows is bloatware

first thing I do on every fresh install of windows is debloat the crap out of it

do you have memory fast boot enabled in bios?

15 sec sounds like memory training

is it booting at the expected ram speed?

maybe you have unstable xmp and it's failing to boot every time and then booting at default settings

[scenic solar]

I'm not sure about that. I will check it and let you know.
I always run xmp and my ram doesn't seem to have any problems at all running @3200mhz

Always been stable, had no ram issues since i bought these.
Btw it's the same time even if I run default 2133mhz

[naive pendant]

i have a bit of a probably stupid question

so like i just wanted to see if i understand this right

i7 14700kf
i7 is just the like, main name thing. tells performance level. 5 < 7 < 9 etc
700 i have no idea what it means
kf/k is just like, igpu or not.
kf = no igpu
k = has igpu
is this like, correct or

[burnt spear]

xx700 means its an i7

[cerulean wadi]

K = overclockable, F = no igpu. I3 i5 i7 i9 is mainly marketing , but also different specs. I3 is recently a quadcore, i5 is generally 6(P)cores, i7 is 8(P)cores. Since 12th gen, there's Performance cores & smaller/worse Efficiency cores. For instance 12400 is just 6 "Pcores, 12600K is 6P 4e, 12700K (i7) is 8P 8e. Ecores help w/ background processes and/or multithreaded tasks. W/ 13th gen, even the 13400 has some Ecores. Big mishmash of info for the past few gens

[burnt spear]

a 20700k would have to be an i7

[grizzled bloom]

Didn't you turn off fast boot at some point when you were troubleshooting

[scenic solar]

Mmmh, I'm not sure if I re-enabled it back later.
My pc always took about 25s to boot since I've had this motherboard, and that's still how much it currently takes to. But I'd like, once for all, understand if there's a way to reduce this boot time in one way or another

So my guess would be that fast boot is enabled in bios

Don't even remember that setting being in my bios since it's been quite some time since I tried the ram oc

[grizzled bloom]

Fast boot would skip what checks the motherboard can skip as well as memory training, so if that's on then that's the shortest post times you'll get.

[scenic solar]

Ok thanks for the information, will definitely check out my current settings

[rose estuary]

can some please megs me that can help me to find the right ram merorys for my board that can take or cant take

[grizzled bloom]

What motherboard

[dull flint]

Why AM4 means nothing to 95% of new gaming pc's:

A story in one graph

[cursive epoch]

perfect explanation

[hybrid grove]

What's a good but not super expensive ram kit to pair with 7800x3d (don't want something cheap either) no rgb needed.

Want to add it to my wishlist for when I order my new parts here in the next week or so depending when I get this gift card.

[sudden creek]

I'd look for a ram kit with timings like 6000cl32 since it's likely Hynix A or M die. also not sure if you are aware but not all of AM5 can hit 6400mhz so I'd suggest looking for a kit around 6000. And avoid G.Skill kits if you plan to do any sort of ram OC in the future.

[hybrid grove]

I'd most likely run xmp out the box tbh haha. But possibly in the future I might look at tightening the timings

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cCKscf/silicon-power-value-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-sp032gxlwu60afdeae

[distant gulch]

Is there even any point going 64 gigs for gaming at all?

[hollow thorn]

Not yet

[grizzled bloom]

Anything greater than 48GB can actually be damaging to your gaming experience, because greater capacity sticks can't get as high clock speeds.

[distant gulch]

Thats hilarious

[distant gulch]

Wrong channel lol

Well i mean right channel but

[grizzled bloom]

To answer the question at least, no the 7800X3D will not benefit from liquid cooling at all

It performs the same on the wraith prism stock cooler as it does on a 360mm aio

A standard $20 single tower works fine

[distant gulch]

Im really just tryna think of any actual proper reason to use a liquid cooler, but its all hypothetical

Aesthetic ig

Ofc higher end cpus

[grizzled bloom]

You can't even overclock the 7800X3D so no worries there.

[split copper]

Threadripper

Xeon W or whatever the huge Intel cpus are called these days

[distant gulch]

I lost interest in intel ages ago

[grizzled bloom]

The new Xeons are woefully inferior to threadrippers

It's comical how much difference there is

[distant gulch]

Wasnt intel the one that was considered the innovative brand at one point?

[split copper]

When 4c8t was king

4790 vs fx 8 core

[grizzled bloom]

That was before they remade the same CPUs 6 years in a row

14nm+++++++

[grizzled bloom]

They're legally not allowed to say it's an 8 core any more

Class action lawsuit and everything

[split copper]

The cores share what, the cache and some other hardware?

They're still cores to me even if they're weaker than Intel's half amount of full cores

I don't think them being bad cores makes them not cores

Sometimes a legal precedent is just wrong

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hybrid grove]

Is this the ram that has one side exposed?

[burnt spear]

No?

[hybrid grove]

Was making sure it wasn't like this kit. Look wise where only one side is covered

[dull flint]

That kit is covered both sides

If you got a set where it's only one side, then it was a mistake lol

[hybrid grove]

I just know there was a kit with a heat spreader on only one side

But if that's not the case then we all good.

[dull flint]

Oh you know what I didn't know this

The 16gb is one sided

But we never recommend it

The 32gb is double sided

And I haven't seen any SP to date that's one sided

[hybrid grove]

Okay good. Just don't want ugly ram 😂

[split copper]

Wym the 32gb is single sided

It's not an issue anyway lol

[dull flint]

@slender otter are yours double or single sided

If they're dual rank they have to be double sided

[split copper]

Izzat visible enough I couldn't tell from the thumbnail

[dull flint]

Those are single rank tho

If there were any dual rank versions they'd be double sided

[split copper]

Forgor if it's just heatsink on one side or if it doesn't have chips on that side

[dull flint]

It would be chips on one side

The whole marketing for sp gaming is it has a heatsink lol

[split copper]

I've seen both I think

[split copper]

Well it does

[dull flint]

It would be a scam if they didn't have a heatsink on half the chips

Lolol

[split copper]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dull flint]

A scam none of us knew about for years

[split copper]

I'll never know bc I didn't take any pictures from the other side like a genius

maybe if I look in thru the front panel

[dull flint]

Ye I want to know cos I won't suggest them again if I see that

[split copper]

it's a decent kit but it's not significantly cheaper than other ones anyway

[dull flint]

look look look

double sided

the ddr4 pin layout implies 2 sides as well

maybe this was a revision that happened

the original renders all point to double sided but I can see not just your example but others where it's single

but single, chips one side

[split copper]

chips on both sides, one heatsink on one side

[dull flint]

pic

[split copper]

noooo I already put the panel back on 😭

lol

[dull flint]

I need to believe 😂

[split copper]

let's hope it can get a pic

[dull flint]

https://cdna.pcpartpicker.com/static/forever/images/userbuild/431908.b162d73532a73b93ff7e00bcf6783667.1600.jpg

single

[split copper]

Them there be chips

[dull flint]

tf

omg

I've found another

I think

https://cdna.pcpartpicker.com/static/forever/images/userbuild/456073.ab912cf688ef8cd85393cdda367c44de.1600.jpg

https://cdna.pcpartpicker.com/static/forever/images/userbuild/457698.959a0485756c9178342c6b8668982e32.1600.jpg

[split copper]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe_happy-ending-gif-26564883

[dull flint]

there's a proper pic

https://cdna.pcpartpicker.com/static/forever/images/userbuild/454919.d78e3f08741df9cd0dc2b867b1de1c6a.1600.jpg

these are all recent tho

lemme go wayyy back

wtf

https://cdna.pcpartpicker.com/static/forever/images/userbuild/368164.9927200c40377006ae920d5aab9d67e7.1600.jpg

3 years ago

[split copper]

[dull flint]

ok it's a scam

I've been under the idea it was double sided

my mistake

god what would I suggest instead then

[split copper]

team something idk

[dull flint]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/w98bt6/silicon-power-xpower-turbine-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp032gxlzu320bda

these

[split copper]

🤮

[dull flint]

or these

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/n9VmP6/silicon-power-xpower-zenith-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp032gxlzu320bdc

beyond that you're like $10 from ddr5 lol

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XsWJ7P/silicon-power-sp032gblvu560fd2ad-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-5600-cl46-memory-sp032gblvu560fd2ad

[slender otter]

To be completely honest I'm not sure, all I know is that I have the blue x power turbine ram

Lol

[rugged grove]

Hello, i just got a new asus prime wifi mobo for my i7 13700f and then 24 pin cable wont go all the way in. So can someone tell me what should I do. I trying harder to put it in but it wont go.

[grizzled bloom]

That can be a tight fit sometimes. The way it usually goes for me is I have to wiggle it a bit to defeat the friction force keeping it from going in. It also helps to put the 4 pin extension in first and the other 20 pins second.

[rugged grove]

Oh thanks

[scenic solar]

Is it possible to set the bottom x1 pcie slot on a msi b550 to 2.0 instead of 3.0?

[marble bough]

ASRock is not impressing me. Brand new MB has issues.

I have never seen anything like this. First I had to flash the BIOS, which I expected because I was using new DDR5-6400 G.Skill 96GB kit, plus a n i7-14700. I tried with nu bios update first, which led to nothing but post situation. Anyway I flashed the bios and was able to get to the setup screen, but that's it. This thing sees my CPU and RAM, has it properly configured, and sees my system drive (I only set up MB, CPU, RAM, Noctua NH-D15 cooler, and my system boot SSD so I can see if anything was DOA). Anyway, it does nothing but boot straight to setup. I can try rebooting, but it just loops back into setup page.

@burnt spear The ASRock Z690 Steel Legend D5 motherboard is having issues. I have never seen anything like this. First I had to flash the BIOS, which I expected because I was using new DDR5-6400 G.Skill 96GB kit, plus a n i7-14700. I tried with nu bios update first, which led to nothing but post situation. Anyway I flashed the bios and was able to get to the setup screen, but that's it. This thing sees my CPU and RAM, has it properly configured, and sees my system drive (I only set up MB, CPU, RAM, Noctua NH-D15 cooler, and my system boot SSD so I can see if anything was DOA). Anyway, it does nothing but boot straight to setup. I can try rebooting, but it just loops back into setup page.

[burnt spear]

Wdym setup page

[marble bough]

bios

[burnt spear]

Have you installed windows yet, or will it not let you even get to that point

Make sure boot priority is set to the USB with windows on it if you haven't installed windows yet

[marble bough]

Windows is already installed on the boot drive I inserted, but it won't let me set boot priority at all. The drive shows up in the list of drives, but the Boot Priority section is blank,even if I insert 5 drives.

The strange thing is one of the times I updated the bios, I left the flash drive in the usb port, and when it booted to bios, it saw the usb flash drive listed inthe boot priority section, but still none of the ssds

I contacted ASRock support and they gave me the level 1 tech support script, all things I have been doing for 30 years in builds. They did mention that the board may have "some bad chips on it". I contacted Newegg for RMA.

[burnt spear]

Yeah rma sounds like the best option, unfortunately

Qc just can never be 100%, which sucks

[marble bough]

The picture of the bios screen does verify that the ram and CPU are good, so I'm keeping them. I haven't had a chance to install the RTX 4070 TI Super yet, since I want to make sure mare bones system was right before adding other peripherals.

I still appreciate your help in formulating this system. I hope this is just a one-off.

[burnt spear]

Yeah, also did newegg say how long the rma would take?

It might just be better to return and order a new one, even if it's a diff model

I think pg velocita fits the bill of what you need, correct me if I'm wrong
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rKGbt6/asrock-z690-pg-velocita-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z690-pg-velocita

[marble bough]

no. they sent me a label for return. I'm headed to UPS in a few. That velocita effectively only has 4 PCIEs because one GPU will cover up the one next to it. I've never used ASRock before, only MSI since 2004 and Gigabyte prior to that.

I like this Steel Legend because they smartly spaced the other slots apart from the GPU slot. The card will only cover the CMOS battery and an m.2 wifi slot. That will still give me 5 PCIEs.

I did find a 16 port SATA controller that, when combined with the 8 onboard SATA ports, will fill my needs. That means I could possibly do with just 4 PCIE slots (GPU, Capture Card, SATA controller, and 7 port USB). I need 2 internal USP ports, so that card is necessary. I was trying to use all of the above with 2 USB expansion cards because I have 23 USB devices hooked to the PC (including a 10 port external hub). My old MSI board had 10 onboard USB rear ports, this one has 6.

[burnt spear]

Yeah the usb ports on that one are a bit disappointing, but fortunately there's alternatives (as you know)

[marble bough]

I will say that the Noctua NH-D15 is still keeping temps at 29.5-31 C for now, but I'm not rendering video obviously. The combo with the thermal paste you recommended is great!

[burnt spear]

Nice, glad it's working out aside from that mobo!

Hopefully it won't take long to get you a new one

[marble bough]

I hope it comes quickly too. I'm normally 2 days away from them in CA.

[burnt spear]

Wegg does not have the best history with their rma service to be honest, but you hear more about the issues than what's done right

I am not a fan of newegg, but its one of the main places to get pc parts from, there's not many alternatives, and it's not like Amazon is any better

[marble bough]

Meanwhile, I will put old trusty MSI board back in and test the GPU. I know it will be bottlenecked, being that my old CPU is a i7-4790K at 4.4gHz overclocked.

[burnt spear]

Good idea, and gives you a usable pc in the meantime

And a far better gpu which will still be a massive improvement for your rendering (iirc?)

[marble bough]

Amazon is scary when geting GPUs. Not only that, if I had waited 1 more hour when I ordered my 4070TI Super, it would have been out of stock.

Yes. My Existing GTX 1080Ti is still pretty good, but Davinci Resolve's Relight and Depth Map effects are of primary concern, and they make the 1080TI struggle a bit.

Anyway, thanks again for your help. I will keep you posted.

[dull flint]

@marble bough can you manually select the windows from that bios?

[marble bough]

Not at all. MSI Bios was so much better. I sent it back for replacement. It that doesn’t work, I’ll be looking for another Z690 or Z790

I put the old build back in and changed out the GTX 1080TI for the RTX 4070 TI Super. That is running great, for now. I know the bottleneck is there (with the i7-4790K), but it’s only temporary until I can get the i7-14700 back in a stable motherboard.

[dull flint]

Interesting

What's more surprising to me is it wasn't the ram I was thinking was the chance of issues

It was the windows

Lol

[dull flint]

PSA:
All MSI Zen 3 users (And all current zen 3 users)
Regarding the new roll out of agesa 1.2.0.B. More of a forewarning, we've just witnessed a case of high voltage under load with Zen 3. To anyone running a B550 or X570, check your voltage is at normal levels under 100% CPU usage (should be @ 1.35v or less) via the "SVI2" voltage reading, which can be found in the sensors-only section in HWinfo64:
https://www.hwinfo.com/download/

This may be an isolated case, but it's a warning to all who may have updated to this, make sure to check your CPU is behaving normally. If your readings are displaying much higher than expected or really abnormal (High voltage under load, low voltage under idle), please roll back to 1.2.0.A or earlier until a new AGESA is released, using the support site provided found by typing in the name of your motherboard and clicking to the manufacturers "Support" section.
Regards to the BIOS being flagged in question:
https://wccftech.com/amd-discovers-new-vulnerabilities-affecting-zen-1-2-3-4-cpus-bios-mitigations-released/
https://www.techspot.com/news/101890-amd-ryzen-cpus-impacted-all-serious-vulnerabilities.html

[dull flint]

Thank

[grizzled bloom]

😭

My poor 5800X

[dull flint]

"Here lies AMD.
Stuffed up again."
2021-2024

[split copper]

https://tenor.com/view/how-the-pros-do-it-gif-10417843436298991189

[sudden creek]

welp, still with AMD's support team.... Anyways at least my random reboots went from every 1-24hrs up to every 2 days or so now.

[marble bough]

@dull flint @burnt spear Newegg refunded my money for the MB because they were out of the Steel Legend D5. I really liked the fact that the board had 2 USB3.2 headers, the spacing of the PCI-E slots not being covered up by the GPU, the DDR5 compatibility, and 14th gen Intel compatibility so I took a chance on another one. Had to get it from Amazon. Anyway, looking forward to this build being complete. The difference between my GTX 1080Ti and this RTX 4070Ti Super is ridiculous! I re-rendered a video just to check the difference. This was a 14 layer video with tons of effects and titling so I wanted you to see the difference. The 1080 Ti took 98 minutes. The 4070 Ti Super took 6 minutes 14 seconds. And that’s on the old MSI Z97 Gaming 7 board with i7-4790K with 32GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3. New MB coming Tuesday. Can’t wait to see what new build will do with the i7-14700 and 96GB DDR5. Thanks again guys for your help!

[dull flint]

jesus that's a huge difference

Amazing

[marble bough]

I couldn’t believe it.

And the GTX 1080 Ti isn’t a shabby card.

[burnt spear]

especially for workstation use, new gen is far better

[marble bough]

The kicker is that the Noctua NH-D15 cooler kept cpu temps at 43C and the GPU without an external cooler never went above 46C.

[burnt spear]

since it's not just the performance difference, but the architecture too

[marble bough]

Absolutely!

You guys were very instrumental in helping me with this new build. That’s why I keep referring to you both! Knowledge is extremely valuable to me.

Davinci Resolve renders much faster than Adobe products because it takes full advantage of GPUs.

[burnt spear]

happy to see it's working out for you, and glad you got a new mobo on the way

[marble bough]

Thanks so much! I only hope I can be of help to both of you one day. If you ever need advice on Video Production or live streaming equipment, feel free to ask.

[burnt spear]

if i ever need the help, will do, i really appreciate the offer!

[marble bough]

What’s funny about the Amazon deal is I got the WIFI 6E version of the board this time, and only $5 more.

For simple celebrity interview videos with lower thirds titling, Resolve renders pretty much in 2-10 minutes with just a few layers. After effects will take 40 minutes for the same thing. That’s with the 1080 Ti. I can’t wait to see what the full new build will do. It will help me to be able to put out more than 2-3 videos a day.

You guys looked out for an old man. Thank you. May life bring you joy!

[dull flint]

It was an interesting learning experience for me as well tbh. There were a lot of factors to keep in mind there

[distant gulch]

the fact the help you both offer is free is absurd, yall are such a boon to the tech community

[marble bough]

Well, like I said. I am indebted to you both. I mean it!

@dull flint did you ever download the free version of Resolve?

[dull flint]

Heh. I've still yet to look at it sorry

I got a bit of a hectic time going on but Adobe is now charging by the month so I will be cancelling it before March

[marble bough]

I just got tired of Premiere and After Effects crashing all the time. Each year, the “new version” is worse. I dropped Creative Cloud after 5 years and went back to CS6 that I already paid $1200 for in 2014. Not as flashy, but stable. Davinci Resolve puts all of them to shame for free, but the $295 version is absolutely incredible. It’s a little learning curve, but the Relight feature, the Magic Mask, and the Noise Reduction features are astonishing.

And you own it forever still. They made an iPhone Camera app that as soon as you finish filming, it starts uploading the footage to your PC or Mac while you drive home from the even you filmed.

The app is free too.

Plus you can shoot in Adobe ProRes Log too.

Real easy to turn landscape footage into vertical, even will track the object so it will never move out of frame.

Just let me know if you need help with it. I have tons of lessons on it, organized too.

[dull flint]

I really appreciate that man

Yeah I will be looking at it soon, definitely before march

[marble bough]

The free exchange of ideas is what makes me tick.

I have to get some sleep. You guys take care.

[dull flint]

And likewise btw @marble bough , let us know if you run into any other complications we might be able to work out

[marble bough]

Thank you!

[dull flint]

No worries

[olive totem]

https://youtu.be/rcUTDKpixUI?si=Gx3NHMwupXDORcNB

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-suspicious-mailman-slide-door-slam-gif-22131858

[grizzled bloom]

More threads does not mean more better (in gaming)

[potent dew]

Hit 92C in the 3DMark demo on my 7700X 🗿

Could just be dust

[dull flint]

AM5 moment

[grizzled bloom]

It just kinda does that. As long as it's not throttling you're good.

[olive totem]

I can’t remember if I asked this or not but every time I’ve asked about the 7900 you’ve recommended me something else which is fine, but then what’s the purpose of the 7900?

I imagine it’d work well for small form factor builds and stuff

I’d eventually like to learn the “productivity” uses of PCs which id like to think the 7900 benefits due to the extra cores over say the 7800x3d

[hollow thorn]

With the 7900 tdp, it's not going to be that good for sff, in reality, it's only for like vms or containers where you assign one core per vm or container, where the singular cores don't matter as much as just having more cores

But then they might as well get something older from the server side

[vast meadow]

Or for things like editing etc, compiling large code bases etc

[scenic solar]

Can something like this be replaced? Is it possible that there is pin damage underneath?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes and yes, but paste is unlikely to damage it. Generally you can scrape enough paste off to make contact by just inserting and removing the CPU a few times.

[scenic solar]

It's not just the paste, the plastic part of the socket is cracked

[grizzled bloom]

Oh that looked like a shadow at first glance

[sudden creek]

Welp seems AMD support finally gave up and asked me to contact their warranty team for a return.

[marble bough]

@burnt spear @dull flint Hi guys. Well I got the replacement board, of course Amazon took all freaking day to get it here after promising between 10am and Noon. It got here about 6pm. I had the same problem and ASRock wouldn’t let me get to legacy mode without installing a GPU. The problem is, the GPU was installed, however the PCIE5 slot wouldn’t recognize it as being in there. I switched it to a PCIE4 slot and everything worked. The problem now is that the 4070TI Super is 2 1/4 slots wide, so I effectively lost two slots. I went to put my SDI capture card in SLOT 5 to no avail. I’m just running the driver disc in hopes that the PCIE5 slot will come to life. I made sure no bent CPU pins, also that the motherboard screws weren’t too tight. ASRock’s manuals suck, big time. I’m not using any m.2 slots that would disable SATA ports. The only one in use is the one for WIFI/Bluetooth, but there is nothing that says using it will disable anything. This is some weird mess. How can the PCIE5 slot not work, but the PCIE4 does? Crazy

[burnt spear]

id try updating bios

[marble bough]

I did, but will retry after drivers are finished. The CPU and ram work perfectly. Windows system page shows them working fine. I hope that fixes it. Trying to be patient. I will try moving GPU if successful.

[dull flint]

Pcie 5 isn't a concern anyway

There isn't a gpu that exists that fully utilises pcie 4

So we're a good way from anything like that

The gpu being 2 1/4 slots to me is honestly impressive

Most cards now at the high end are 3 slots or more

So it's just the top pcie slot issue?

Cos if it is that's at least decent news

[marble bough]

Success! The first bios update did not take. The flash drive was not all the way in.

[dull flint]

Pcie 5 works?

[marble bough]

All devices working!!!

[dull flint]

Ok fantastic

So, is the 4070TiS being where it is, still an issue?

[marble bough]

5 works too!!! GPU is running on it right now!!!

[dull flint]

I have a solution if the GPU is in the way

[marble bough]

Now I have all 5 slots back!!! Thank God, and thank you guys as well!

Everything is in its right place now

[dull flint]

Ok so all working?

100%?

Just want to make sure I'm following along here

[dull flint]

Oml

[marble bough]

Everything is fine now! GPU in PCIE5 slot!

[dull flint]

Ok awesome

Should be smooth sailing now

Nice psu btw

Idk if we suggested it but hx is great

I'm taking a look at davinci tomorrow btw, I haven't forgotten

Just been hectic lol

[marble bough]

Thanks. I still have 2 1200 watt HXI PSUs left.

[dull flint]

Wow lol

Damn

That's like the best kind of future proofing

[marble bough]

I’m actually keeping one as a spare and giving one to my buddy.

[dull flint]

Damn

[marble bough]

Just 2 more drives to hook up, but they are Blu Ray burners.

[dull flint]

When you got so many drives it's like the windows user files

Got a drive called documents

[marble bough]

Yes.

Wow! So glad it’s up and running.

Plus I have a 40TB Nas and an 18TB one. I have to store extra footage.

[dull flint]

Oh damn

See I mention that to a lot of people nowadays and they don't believe it

Use HDD's for video storage

[marble bough]

The only thing is Windows doesn’t let you go past Z drive, so the cloud drives and NAS drives come into play there.

[dull flint]

The professional here is doing it lol

[marble bough]

Absolutely.

[dull flint]

Yet we get people wanting ssd's for everything

[marble bough]

My mistake was having started with 4TB drives instead of larger. It’s a 10 bay NAS

[dull flint]

40TB is still a lot

But I'm sure in the scale of things over time

It probably adds up quick

[marble bough]

I will start swapping out drives in the fall for larger ones. Black Friday is perfect for that.

I don’t know why this temp monitor is only showing 6 cores, but then again it’s from the old PSU. I have to change the software. That big Noctua cooler is working though…

[hollow thorn]

Blame Corsair for being wacky and use hwinfo64 if you want better info

[marble bough]

Thanks!

I still have 3 more fans to hook up.

[burnt spear]

Wait NH d15 mounts sideways?

Wat

[marble bough]

Yes. With this MB, the clearance isn’t enough to mount as back exhaust, so I opened up the top

[burnt spear]

I've never seen that before, certainly isn't the most beautiful thing but if it works it works, aesthetics come last imo

[hollow thorn]

There have been some boards that have really tall vrm heatsinks that get in the way of a d15

[marble bough]

With my old MSI, I could mount it the other way.

[hollow thorn]

Sometimes you can just move the fan up but some interfere with where the heatsink goes

[burnt spear]

Could you mount it normally and just move the fan that's by the back of the case to the opposite side of the heatsink?

[marble bough]

If you did, it would block RAM access

Oh. I see what you mean. No. The motherboard is pretty tall near the back

Now I have to tie up some cables and tidy up.

This GPU isn’t lit or anything, but damn it’s fast!

[burnt spear]

Ah alr

Yeah I had a similar upgrade, gt 1030 i5-3470 to 3600 and 3060 ti, was like night and day

[marble bough]

I just tried the render that I spoke about the other day. This is ridiculous. The 1080TI took 98 minutes. This card on my old Mb took 6:28. No. My bad this 4070TI Super in my old Z97 motherboard took 5:56 ( not 6:28). Now with this setup it took 3:14.

[burnt spear]

That's insane

[marble bough]

Is a really heavily effect laiden video too

[burnt spear]

That's what, 32x faster?

[marble bough]

Absolutely!

It just will truly help me to be more productive! You guys are lifesavers! Thanks again, so much!

My videos have a lot of glyph effects, particle effects, multiple layers, titling, 3D, closed captioning, etc. this is truly a dream setup now. Thanks @burnt spear and @dull flint

[sudden creek]

oddly enough i haven't had a crash in two days now.

getting in contact AMD's warranty team and I am going to just get this cpu returned for a new one for peace of mind.

[pale fox]

I have a 5600x and I want to oc my cpu manually how can I do it safely?

[vast meadow]

Just use pbo it's gonna do it better than you

[burnt spear]

^^

Maybe an undervolt too

[sudden creek]

Not sure how, but I think my CPU has stopped crashing since this new finicky windows install.

[sudden creek]

pain and suffering. Manual OC can take weeks to do right (assuming a couple hours a day)

[vast meadow]

Uh it shouldn't

[dull flint]

don't manual oc unless you intend to do it for like a handful of benchmarks and in a controlled environment

otherwise use pbo

unless you want to degrade your cpu

at the rate of anywhere between a couple of HOURS to a few months

to as bad as immediate death with the wrong settings

[sudden creek]

Felix. I am not sure how but it seems my PC has indeed fixed itself since my new windows install combined with reinstalling every driver and updating bios. It's been about 5 days with no crashes.

Man this has been quite the wild ride. Just glad it's over and hoping it stays that way.

[dull flint]

That's good to hear

I feel like everyone I know who's owned a 7950x3d has experienced this pain tho

Doesn't compel me to a good review

But AM5 is really nice when it works

[grizzled bloom]

I've said it before and I'll say it again.
I personally never buy the first model on a new platform. There are ALWAYS growing pains and subtle flaws.

[sudden creek]

True. this pain was on a whole new level though.

[sudden creek]

Yeah same. Personally after my experience I would not recommend a 7950x3D. When it works it's great like you said however it's a complete nightmare come true when it doesn't.

[dull flint]

Put it on the same level as an A750

Excellent, but not for the faint of heart

[cyan raft]

Intel>>>

[finite elm]

Do Gigabite motherboards still have issues with DDR5?

[grizzled bloom]

Not that I've heard recently

[sudden creek]

That's it. I have had it up to here with this CPU. Submitting a RMA to get this thing replaced.

[sudden creek]

submitted. Hopefully AMD warranty support can get this thing replaced quickly.

[sage quail]

Would anyone be able to help me I just got a new ASROCK B550m pro4 with a power spec 500w peer supply both are all new I got to day and have a red light on my motherboard board

[burnt spear]

What cpu

[cyan raft]

Nope

At least Z790s don’t

[sudden creek]

Really hopping AMD gets back to me with a approved RMA soon. I am now experiencing random system stutters on occasion.

[tender sleet]

@sudden creek mind a quick question?

[sudden creek]

sure.

I only got about 2m before I go to the grocery store though. just a heads up.

[tender sleet]

What was the idea for getting a 7950X3D with a 3070?

Like I'm curious what the logic was
I'd assume video editing or such

[grizzled bloom]

It was a combination of work and gaming, that's why X3D instead of regular

[tender sleet]

Ah

Yeah that's fair enough

I just find it really hard to justify the higher end X3Ds

Even with that in mind

Isn't Windows scheduler still broken?

[grizzled bloom]

Sort of, but process lasso fixes most issues

[tender sleet]

Fair enough

[dull flint]

Just not worth touching the 2 ccd skus unless you're a little unhinged imo

[sudden creek]

I use process lasso for anything I actually use so I haven't had any problems with that.

Hold up. How likely is it that Windows Scheduler is the thing that keeps giving the erorr: Error setting traits on provider xxxxxxxxxxxxx numbers? I see that pretty often in the Windows Event Viewer but when I see it there is no crash so I don't think that's the cause.

[sudden creek]

I already had a 3070 which worked fine for my gaming needs but I needed a better CPU and decided to go with the X3D since I plan to pair it with a 4090 or 5090 in the future for better game performance.

[crisp citrus]

Hi, I'm hoping to get some advice on AM5, I haven't really paid attention to the PC hardware world since the 3000 series gpus came out. I'm starting to notice my old reliable r7 2700 and 16gb of ram is a little underpowered for solidworks and I'm thinking it might be time to upgrade. I'm considering either getting a 5800x3d or 5700x3d and 16gb more ram, but for about the same price I could get a bundle like this: https://www.microcenter.com/product/5006647/amd-ryzen-7-7700x,-msi-b650-p-pro-wifi,-gskill-flare-x5-series-32gb-ddr5-6000-kit,-computer-build-bundle

For context, I have a 3070 that is way more than enough for me, a 750w psu, plenty of storage etc. The only additional upgrade would be a cooler, since I'm assuming my cooler master tower cooler would be a little on the small side. Thoughts?

Or alternatively I could just get 16gb of extra ram since that's the real limiter, and wait until the newest round of AM5 stuff comes out? I had no idea the 7700x has been around since 2022 already

[sudden creek]

Personally after the mess of things I have been going through with AM5 along with all the articles and reddits of people experiencing similar issues I would not recommend AM5 due to stabillity issues.

[dull flint]

I would, just not 7950X3D/7900X3D

[crisp citrus]

I'm not familiar with those, is it just issues with productivity or the platform in general?

[dull flint]

AMD has a lot of problems revolving around agesa

AM5 is not immune to these, but definitely less prevalent than AM4

AM5 when it has problems, like AM4 can be a nightmare

But when it works it's incredibly stable

5700X3D might be a viable option tho imo

Just don't go adding more ram

Buy a whole separate new kit and only use that

Mixing will lead to problems

[sudden creek]

I am seeing forums of people with a 7800x3d and 7950x also experiencing the same issue.

[dull flint]

Yes and a lot of AM5, but you can say the same with intel

The problems with the 2ccd x3d though seem very consistent

Unlike all the others

[sudden creek]

Random crashes, stuttering, etc. I am suffering from the first one.

[sudden creek]

Especially since this past month. Far more AMD forums have been opened regarding this problem.

Seeing them all over the place now.

[dull flint]

Yes for the 2ccd x3d chips

I've met maybe one person who's been problem free

On a 7900x3d

Everyone else including us have had issues, but most of the others on AM5 are usually problem free

[sudden creek]

jesus. really?

[dull flint]

Yes

I took your complaints seriously

My 7950x3d works great, but I'm an isolated case and won't recommend on my own experience

[crisp citrus]

Thats definitely good to know, I'll probably try to stick it out until 8000 series drops this fall if I can (assuming thats when it will be) and if not I'll buy a cheap 32gb set

[sudden creek]

That's good at least. I am just honestly getting depressed from this *** that I keep having to deal with after as you and a few other know spent nearly two years saving up.

[dull flint]

When AM5 works, it's amazing to use imo

[crisp citrus]

I'll just cover the little pop up solidworks gives me saying critical low resources and pray lol

[dull flint]

when it works

I get a completely quiet system

Totally stable

[crisp citrus]

I'm surprised it had that many issues, am4 has been flawless for me

[dull flint]

Reproducible problems that are easily isolated and fixed

It's completely predictable

[sudden creek]

Oh g0d don't get me started on my AM4 experience.

horrible USB and Audio issues.

[dull flint]

It varies by user. A lot are problem free, some are unusable levels of bad

I've been on both sides of the spectrum

[limber dragon]

Mine is too, 7800x3d+4090. Iirc my coworker has a 7950x3d+3080ti and no issues

[sudden creek]

.....

[dull flint]

Yeah when am5 works it's excellent

when it works tho

[sudden creek]

https://tenor.com/view/destroy-computer-gif-19603724

[dull flint]

I pity for you apex, again why I take the points of criticism seriously

[sudden creek]

thank you.

I am just praying AMD's RMA team passes it tonight and that I can get a new chip within a week and the problems are gone..

Have you guys seen anyone resolve their AM5 issues especially crashing ones by replacing the cpu?

[dull flint]

Yes

[limber dragon]

Its happened a lot on am4, yeah

[sudden creek]

that gives me a bit of hope at least. Was it usually the fix?

[dull flint]

Uhhh

https://tenor.com/view/8ball-bart-simpson-shaking-shake-magic-ball-gif-17725278

[limber dragon]

Just for reference, I work as a pc tech. "Customer states computer randomly crashes in games", if its am4, then its a solid 50% chance its a cpu issue

[sudden creek]

One thing is for sure. going forward I am getting extended warranties with all tech components when buying from amazon so I can just get something replaced quickly.

[sudden creek]

that is genuinely frightening.

[limber dragon]

I have a whole pile of 1600/x, 2700x and 3600/xs, ask me why

[sudden creek]

unstable customer cpus from work I am guessing.

[limber dragon]

Yup

[sudden creek]

well wrost case scenario MSI has at least 1 year warranty as well right?

[limber dragon]

[sudden creek]

I bought my ram, board, and cpu at the same time.

well I take that back. my ram was more recent cause the first kit I bought had a problem during shipping and never arrived.

[limber dragon]

I don't bother with trying to RMA unless its a part I replaced for someone because rma dept look for any reason to deny rma

[dull flint]

Real

[limber dragon]

Even then, we just send back the replaced part because if its still having issues, its something else

Work has absolutely done the rma with questionable ethics before because of companies denying rma

[sudden creek]

worst worst worst worst worst case scenario hounding the amazon store for a couple weeks usually works.

[glossy wave]

Hey all got a question

Does it really matter if OS is installed into a m.2 drive for better performance or will its just perform the same as a storage device?

[dull flint]

as long as it's on any ssd

then it will be pretty fast

faster can be better but it is in equal arguments both extremely faster and also not faster at all (depending on the workload/who you talk to/alignment of the planets/cosmic rays etc etc)

but if it's on a HDD then swapping to any SSD makes an enormous difference

[glossy wave]

I guess ill shoot for the stars on this and take a chance with my current SSD and use it as a Storage array, maybe that'll keep the aliens from finding out where my hideout is......

[limber dragon]

may be placebo (I dont have an explination for it), but rog ally going from the micron 2400 500gb to a 1tb 990 pro increased fps 5-10%

but also very possible its page filing between win11, 1080p med/high settings and 16gb ram that an apu is also eating into

[grizzled bloom]

Do I take a chance? https://www.ebay.com/itm/395176726163

It simply says "will not boot" and that could just be the bios if I'm lucky

[burnt spear]

Looks like some scuffs on the back of it

[grizzled bloom]

I think that's just the lighting because you can't see it in the other pics

[naive pendant]

Best motherboard for 7950x3d?

Asus asrock or asus?

[grizzled bloom]

For the most part they're going to perform the same

It's the other features that matter, like number of USB, PCIe, and M.2 slots

[naive pendant]

Im interested on msi x670 ace or asus x670 hero

[grizzled bloom]

Do you actually need the X670 features over B650 though

99.9% of people don't

[naive pendant]

Of those two which you recommended?

Msi or asus

[grizzled bloom]

If I had to pick between them, the MSI

[burnt spear]

Unless you're doing multi gpu and a lot of nvme drives, there's absolutely no benefit to x670

[limber dragon]

1 of 2 sold, so most likely one is super broken, the other only partially broken. These could easily be failed delids too

my gut is saying one has issues on die side, the other has issues on pad side

[grizzled bloom]

Hmm that would make sense

[sudden creek]

AMD just approved the RMA request.

[dull flint]

Fair warning, this cpu can be quite annoying to deal with

Also agreeing with everyone else, unless you have needs for tons of pcie lanes for multi-gpu, lots of pcie cards and nics, and a crap ton of m.2, stick to b650

X670 is just two b650 chipsets linked together, it's not inherently any better performance at all (especially on a locked cpu)

See this for context
https://wccftech.com/asrock-110-us-b650-motherboard-sets-overclocking-world-record-amd-ryzen-9-7950x-cpu/

One of the cheapest offerings for AM5 is quite literally one of the best boards period

Performance wise will be basically no difference between the cheapest b650 and the highest X670E (save for revision 1 prime boards which are disgustingly bad)

[dull flint]

The seller profile seems quite big enough to say the odds aren't great lol

But you never know

It could work, but it is X3D at the same time

You sneeze on it and it breaks the vcache

[sudden creek]

Be warned. Very few afaik have actually gotten a 7950x3D and had it work perfectly out of the box.

[cursive epoch]

and for gaming

7800x3d is better value anyway

[sudden creek]

only use the 7950x3D if you are prepared to be tossed into a hellish nightmare and actually need the extra cores. Or just get a 7950x.

[grizzled bloom]

And then there's me. I just bought a 7900X3D and I'm fully prepared for the nightmare.

[dull flint]

[grizzled bloom]

At least the person I bought it used from is trustworthy and if I have serious issues he'll replace it

[dull flint]

Oh, cheap?

[grizzled bloom]

$233

[sudden creek]

that's good at least.

[dull flint]

DAMN

[sudden creek]

Nice!

[dull flint]

Ok no I get where your head was at now

Praying it works

[sudden creek]

by the way. What ever happened to all that stuff about never touching dual CCD ever again?

But yeah, same as Felix hoping it works out for you.

[grizzled bloom]

Look if I can get a dual CCD for cheaper than a 5800X3D... I'll just disable a CCD for sensitive things

[dull flint]

I was gonna say the same thing

But the price man

That's like 7600 money

If it works out that was a solid buy even if he runs only 6 cores

[sudden creek]

Ahh okay.

[sudden creek]

Agreed.

[olive totem]

when I asked about it didnt you tell me NOT to get it

[dull flint]

Yes

Don't

His reasoning does not change

Until the price tag is $230

Which changes everything

The 7600 brand new, is $230

In which case he can just turn off the second ccd even and just have a 7600X3D

Which is still better than a 7600

Brand new? Don't

[olive totem]

i dont understand cpus that well so I apologize and I think ive asked before but

whats the point of the 7900X3D

over the 7900 non x or X

[dull flint]

The 3D part is the addition of vcache

Makes it way faster in games and specific workloads

[grizzled bloom]

It's got more cores for people that will use them and the option of 3D or high clocking cores

[dull flint]

The 7900 and 7900X are the same chips

The non-X is a downbin and has a 65W power limit

And yeah it's extra cores for people who will actively use said cores

Most games run on 8 or less cores by design, so something like say, 7800X3D, 11900K for example, are pretty much capped out on their gen for gaming performance. It's the same reason 12th, 13th and 14th gen stop at 8 P cores

[grizzled bloom]

Without the $600 price tag of the 7950X3D

[cyan raft]

What makes the X3D chips so finicky?

[olive totem]

this

[dull flint]

They're temperamental

[grizzled bloom]

They're VERY sensitive to voltage changes

[cyan raft]

Ahh so basically the intel DDR5 of CPUs?

[dull flint]

I've met way too many people at this point with issues related either to i/o or the boost behaviour at this point to pretend like it's not a *common issue

[dull flint]

That's a nice way to put it but I'd put intel higher

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah, it needs to be set exactly right for that exact CPU

[olive totem]

then why does everyone and their mother who does highend have a 7800x3d

[dull flint]

That said, when 7950X3D/7900X3D works, it's excellent

[cyan raft]

I’m back to debating an ITX build

[dull flint]

Not the same

7800X3D is a single ccd

And overwhelmingly it runs really well

[cyan raft]

Dual CCD is annoying

[grizzled bloom]

Because it's more stable when it's only one CCD. There's no second CCD begging for more voltage.

[cyan raft]

5900x and 3700x were fun but a pain in the ass

[dull flint]

Real

[cyan raft]

My gold bin 3700x is dead because of my damn dog

[olive totem]

the ccd is where the actual cores are correct

[dull flint]

Ye

[olive totem]

and can hold up to 8?

atleast on amd?

[dull flint]

Ye

For now

Future gens will have larger ccd's

On threadripper these are called ccx's

[grizzled bloom]

Also the reason that 1% lows are better on the 7800X3D

[dull flint]

As a whole though, when ryzen 7000X3D works, it's phenomenal

[sudden creek]

wouldn't telling the game to all just use one CCD fix that?

[dull flint]

But I would only suggest dual ccd *x3d to power users

A bit like intel Arc

[dull flint]

In my case this both did and didn't work until much later

Until you find the source of the problems ryzen in general can be WILD

[sudden creek]

yeah....

Honestly depending on how this goes I am likely switching to Intel come my next upgrade CPU wise..

[grizzled bloom]

First gen on the new platform is always like this

[dull flint]

I don't use Lasso anymore on my 7950x3d rig tho

Now that it's good, it does work itself out

And any time I test for performance degradation with lasso, nothing changes or improves

[sudden creek]

first time I've had a first gen adoption feel this rough in any market.

[dull flint]

So the driver is competent, but again, it's just the temperament of the chip itself

[sudden creek]

cause of the X3D side I am guessing?

[dull flint]

I can't really say that

I'm more blaming agesa for all this tbh

Agesa has a long history of being just plain disgusting to deal with at times

[sudden creek]

that's the drivers right?

software side of things.

[dull flint]

Firmware

Most of the problems I've experienced on Ryzen lead their way back to AGESA in some form or another

[sudden creek]

gotcha.

What's the experience with intel been this past couple years?

[dull flint]

Bleh.

12th gen was great

13th gen was...great?

14th gen is...what?

[sudden creek]

14th is just a refresh or 13th with a overclock right?

[dull flint]

They're both a refresh really

But one was an actual step up and core layout change

The other introduces one new cpu

And bins existing older gen

Heh I should correct myself there

Not bins, but rather, better yield over time due to manufacturing improvements

[sudden creek]

What are the known issues with 13th/14th? Anything like the X3D fiasco we have now with AMD?

[dull flint]

But overall it's minor to basically no improvement with 14th

Yes

14th gen has lots of memory support issues

[sudden creek]

really? is that at 7000+ or?

[dull flint]

And a tons of existing boards don't have bios flash buttons or native 14th gen bios support

Higher side yes

But even still

It's just, not really an improvement

Lipstick on the pig

[sudden creek]

gotcha

Been wondering if I should've gone teamm blue since the cost was only about $40 more to get a 14th gen setup. (13th was more expensive at the time)

[dull flint]

Tbh I'm still in the camp of, if you can get it to work then stick to it

I've honestly liked AM5 so much I'm considering my second system to switch over

It was a pain to get running well but now that I'm here, my pc runs almost too well

[sudden creek]

i see.

[dull flint]

I have really liked 13th gen, I loved 12th gen

[cyan raft]

Intel>

[sudden creek]

Currently after weeks of tampering I got this chip to stay stable for about 1-2 days at a time.

[dull flint]

But my problem with intel is the power density is becoming stupid

[sudden creek]

updating bios definitely helped stablize it more it seems.

[dull flint]

It may even be the motherboard tho

Wouldn't be the first time swapping motherboard fixes crazy stability

[sudden creek]

if it is that's better then the chip imo far less expensive to replace if I can't get it RMA

[dull flint]

Which one is it btw