cpus-mobo-and-memory

[burnt spear]

32gb sufficient or do you need 48-64gb ram?

[dull flint]

@marble bough can you put your current pc into this pls

[burnt spear]

I'd cancel it imo

[dull flint]

We will be at this for hours without some organisation

[marble bough]

I prefer to load the board up to max, or at least 128GB

[burnt spear]

Ah

[dull flint]

If we can't see what your full current pc looks like, this will just be a ton of back and forth

I'm genuinely thinking for your needs, used x299 or threadripper

[burnt spear]

What about 96gb? There's 2x48 for ddr5

[marble bough]

I finished pickingout the parts on the link. How do i send it to you?

[dull flint]

There's a link up top

Generated

[burnt spear]

If you dont use all 128gb 96gb would perform better, quad channel is hard to run on ddr5

[marble bough]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/87xnMV

[dull flint]

No no

I want what you have in your current pc

Cos you have like

Ten thousand different plugins

There's a very specific need here

So I'm talking

Z97

1080 ti

23 ssd's

Etc etc

We can shorthand some of it if you tell me what's in a large number and what isn't

[marble bough]

My current PCIE SATA controllers (2) are Marvell based, and have 8 ports each (2 slots). I have a Blackmagic Decklink Capture card (1 slot),. I have a 2.5GB nic card, wiich I can get rid of with another MB. I have 2 USB expansion cards, but I have the USB external hubs (still in the box) that will take their place.

[burnt spear]

How many pcie slots do you need

[marble bough]

Then I have the 1080TI sc (last slot)

[burnt spear]

And how many nvme slots/sata slots do you need

[dull flint]

So you need at least 3 slots, is this correct?

[marble bough]

5, as long as the battery separates the GPU slot from the others.

[burnt spear]

Ok, good start there. Do you know how many pcie lanes each slot will be needing?

[dull flint]

Wait sorry, what's the 5th slot

[marble bough]

right now I have 7, but one is blocked by the gpu. That is why I looked at this board I preveiously linked to.

[dull flint]

2 sata controllers, a capture card

[burnt spear]

Bc if some of those are running in x1 that would be good

[dull flint]

A gpu

What's the 5th?

[marble bough]

the USB cards are running at 1x

My bad. 1 USB expansion card, 1 capture card, 2 SATA controllers, 1 NIC, and 1 GPU that blocks up the 6th slot.

The board I had in mind has the GPU slot separated from the other 4 by the CMOS battery

that way I don't waste a slot

[burnt spear]

This looks like it'd work I think
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CsvD4D/msi-pro-z790-a-max-wifi-atx-lga1700-motherboard-pro-z790-a-max-wifi

Wait no

One short mb

[marble bough]

so I'm using 6 of the 7 on the Z97 Gaming 7. but I won't need the NIC card if the MB has at least one 2.5

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rKGbt6/asrock-z690-pg-velocita-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z690-pg-velocita

That should do it

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wRddnQ/asrock-z690-steel-legendd5-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z690-steel-legendd5

That too

[dull flint]

We can discount the nic and usb expansion surely

So 4 slots

Sorry, I'm helping 2 people at once rn

[marble bough]

yes. That is what I need.

yes

I can discard them.

[burnt spear]

Oh 4 is easier

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/K9Fbt6/msi-pro-z690-a-wifi-atx-lga1700-motherboard-pro-z690-a-wifi

[marble bough]

absolutely

[burnt spear]

Wait holdup, this has 6 for some reason lol
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8ncG3C/gigabyte-z790-ud-ac-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z790-ud-ac

Do any of the boards linked look like they'd work for you?

[marble bough]

the one with six will only have 5 useable since the GPU covers 2 slots

[burnt spear]

Ah alr

[marble bough]

The Steel legend d5 looks like it would do the trick

[burnt spear]

For cpu imo https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jXFmP6/intel-core-i5-14600k-35-ghz-14-core-processor-bx8071514600k
Or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TWP8TW/intel-core-i7-14700kf-34-ghz-20-core-processor-bx8071514700kf

[marble bough]

Ok. The i7-14700 may be what I'm looking for

[burnt spear]

First is single thread second is multi thread comparison

[marble bough]

Excellent!

now, about the MB, what ram is best suited for that?

[burnt spear]

Ye it's very noticeably better than 12900k in multi core, and still has a nice boost in single core

[burnt spear]

If 96gb would be sufficient
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jn26Mp/gskill-ripjaws-s5-96-gb-2-x-48-gb-ddr5-6400-cl32-memory-f5-6400j3239f48gx2-rs5k

That's ideal

[marble bough]

Wow!

That may just be perfect.

Thanks so much. So I don't have to fill up all four dimm slots

[burnt spear]

Yeah with ddr5 it's preferable not to

It can majorly impact performance

[marble bough]

ok. Thank you both for your help. I truly appreciate it. As an old man now, I am trying to keep up.

[burnt spear]

Anytime, happy to

[dull flint]

Bacca wait

Boys wait

Look at am5 rq

[burnt spear]

Oh gp

[dull flint]

Cos noctua nh d15

[burnt spear]

Also side note
https://www.zotacstore.com/us/zt-d40810d-10p-o

[dull flint]

You could run 7950x on a d15

But not really an i9

Not at all

[burnt spear]

Hes returning it for 14700k, but still

Might not be enough

[dull flint]

Yeah I'd still look

7950x better for video prod

[burnt spear]

Dual ccd won't cause issues?

[dull flint]

Nope

It benches better for adobe

Sorry helping 2 others

[burnt spear]

Also is am5 fine with 96gb ram? I know one of the two was wonky with the 24/48gb sticks

[dull flint]

Should be

As much as z790 is

[burnt spear]

Kk I'll check out options

[dull flint]

Just have a poke in

[marble bough]

Who makes the 7950?

[dull flint]

Amd

Amd has gotten really good in the last couple years

[marble bough]

My GPUs are always NVidia because when I have to use After Effects, they utilize CUDA cores still

[dull flint]

Intel has quick sync tech but since you'll be using a 4080s it's worth considering if it breaks cheaper

No no not gpu

Cpu

[marble bough]

Oh. OK.

[dull flint]

For full video prod I agree with nvidia

You have cuda, nvenc, and gfx and blender advantages

Full blown video production amd can't keep up gpu-wise

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/42hFf7/asrock-x670e-pg-lightning-atx-am5-motherboard-x670e-pg-lightning
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4jKscf/msi-x670e-gaming-plus-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-x670e-gaming-plus-wifi
The first one gpu might cover a second slot, im not sure

[dull flint]

How much is it with 7950x tho

Or 7900 even

[marble bough]

I'm partial to MSI, but was thinking i had to go in another direction

[burnt spear]

Wait did you happen to have a microcenter nearby?

Forgot to ask that

[marble bough]

No microcenters nearby, only crap Best Buy

[burnt spear]

Ah alr

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XccgXL/amd-ryzen-9-7900x3d-44-ghz-12-core-processor-100-100000909wof
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bwxRsY/amd-ryzen-9-7900x-47-ghz-12-core-processor-100-100000589wof
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/22XJ7P/amd-ryzen-9-7950x-45-ghz-16-core-processor-100-100000514wof

[marble bough]

I am in Arizona. Not much to see here but mountains and wildlife

[burnt spear]

Cpu options for am5 imo

[dull flint]

Also, for note

Ddr5

Huge upgrade for video production

Like

Massive

ENORMOUS

The bandwidth increase makes it a huge jump

[burnt spear]

7900x and 7900x3d perform the same for multi core loads, but the x3d is some 15-20% better in gaming

7950x has similar gaming perf to the 7900x, but twice the cores

No not twice

[dull flint]

7900 also exists

[burnt spear]

4 more lol

Mb

[burnt spear]

$3 more than the x

So eh

[dull flint]

I could go either way

[burnt spear]

And
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/X6XV3C/amd-ryzen-9-7950x3d-42-ghz-16-core-processor-100-100000908wof

[dull flint]

Fair enough

But if any of those can be cheaper than 14700K +z790 ud ac it might be nicer

[burnt spear]

Or, if you went for the 14700k, you could get a 360mm aio for around $55-60

[marble bough]

Wow! I do see that my Noctua may have an issue with the ASRock Steel Legend on that parts picker site

[dull flint]

Would need an adapter yes

I was just typing that

It's free

Afaik

But am5 can work with am4 or even am3+ iirc

[burnt spear]

Here's a comparison

First is multi second is single

[dull flint]

Multi is what matters

[marble bough]

True

[dull flint]

Unless it's like photoshop which basically runs on a toaster now

[burnt spear]

So 14700k is cheaper than 7900x and a bit better, but you'd need to swap cooler

Only $30 less

[marble bough]

I run DaVinci Resolve, and Adobe CS6 for everything. I dropped the more current Adobe CC becaue I already paid $1200 for CS6, and CC crashed all the time. Plus I aready spend more than 3K on Adobe's subscription.

Sounds like a plan. Thanks alot guys.

Where could I get the adapter for the Noctua?

[dull flint]

Yeah I'm considering committing to just a full adobe suite soon

They keep raising the price absurdly

[marble bough]

I I purchased the CS6 back in 2013, and it makes me mad that Adobe keeps raising the price, but not the quality. Resolve Studio (paid version) was $295 flat, with free upgrades for life. Even the free version is killing Adobe.

[dull flint]

I want to pick your brain rq @marble bough

You seem to know a lot about this

[marble bough]

go ahead

[dull flint]

Would you say resolve is better overall

I would be glad to pay what is 1 year of adobe for resolve and just change camp

[marble bough]

ABSOLUTELY! No crashes, live saves, and seamless interaction with their cameras and iPhone apps.

The Blackmagic Camera app can upload video to your specified server even while you are driving home from an event. Proxies are much faster too

I did an event at the Boxing Hall of Fame (well my brother did the shooting), and before he got home, I was already editing the footage.

let me show you...

https://youtu.be/iyGtKt1ZVoA?si=MJE0fWCHZFkCTr-S

https://youtu.be/2EtSnVs9AZk?si=QQC6at90gIWPRkPI

[dull flint]

So what would you say are the drawbacks to resolve over adobe

[marble bough]

the first one is 2023. My brother can't work the camera that good, so I had to settle for what he got. The second one is from 2022. Now he is on his way from New Jersey to learn the iPhone Camera app from me. The footage will be crystal clear 4K 60 on the iPhone 15 Pro Max. It rivals the studio cameras I have here.

[dull flint]

And vice versa

[dull flint]

That's actually kinda awesome lol

[marble bough]

Adobe runs the game in software, but Blackmagic doesn't sell subscriptions. Their hardware studio equipment is so good that they give away DaVinci Resolve, hoping that you will buy some of their hardware. It is used by the NBA, NFL, and MLB, plus several studios have converted.

[dull flint]

Oooo that's very interesting info

[marble bough]

Adobe only runs the software game because they have been there longer. DaVinci Resolve is better for editing, color, and music

[dull flint]

How good would you say they are with encoding

Do they have AV1 yet?

[marble bough]

I have 2 speed editors, a Blackmagic Editing Keyboard, A Micro Panel (color correction), several Hyperdecks, 3 Atem switchers of varying levels, and cameras.

[dull flint]

Jesus this man's stacked

I think you're the first real video editor we've had in a while here

[marble bough]

I seem to recall AV1 somewhere, but I encode in Adobe ProRes.

[dull flint]

Ah

[marble bough]

I went to college in the 80s for TV Production, but this surpasses anything we had back then.

[dull flint]

Yeah av1 is the new encode, I'm not looking for like, major production stuff but the new gpus carry av1

It's very clean for end results

[marble bough]

AV1 has been supported since V17.2. They are on 18.6 I believe.

[dull flint]

Omg

Ok I think I might switch

[marble bough]

You have to see the PRORES. It rivals Arris

[dull flint]

I'd love to stay and chat but I gotta jet. Let us know if you have any problems with the pc mate

Glad to help

[marble bough]

https://youtu.be/cUEBNm6lTLc?si=5kG3daFWNTAjJ-jt

[dull flint]

I learned a fair bit today. Much appreciated

[marble bough]

Thanks so much guys.

[dull flint]

No worries, be sure to double check everything with pcpartpicker

It helps sort compatibility out

Good luck

[marble bough]

Thank you. As for Resolve, try out the free version first, but the paid version ($295) had features like RELIGHT, Magic Mask, and even works with 3D objects natively. I learned alot from you both. I appreciate it.

[long geyser]

From my understanding free version has AV1 encode for AMD only and paid version has AV1 encode for Nvidia/AMD.

[marble bough]

You are correct.

[cursive epoch]

that's annoying

but i guess it's nvidia fee

[marble bough]

I can tell you this though... With my GTX 1080Ti, what used to take me 10 minutes to render in Adobe takes me 45 seconds to a minute in DaVinci Resolve.

Can anybody tell me how to save this discussion? I'm new to Discord

[cursive epoch]

You can't, but it's always gonna be there

[marble bough]

ok, Thanks

[long geyser]

Closest you'll get is saving the message link somewhere.

[dull flint]

This works in my favour as my editing pc is amd

[rotund rivet]

Thoughts / opinions on Corsair vengeance vs dominator? Recommendations for something similar? https://www.newegg.com/corsair-32gb/p/N82E16820982003?Item=N82E16820982003 https://www.newegg.com/corsair-64gb/p/N82E16820982081?Item=N82E16820982081

[burnt spear]

I would avoid corsair for ram, they lock a voltage on ddr5 that makes it worse than most other brands, and they have some quality control issues

It seemed they had left those issues with ddr4, but I found out recently they have the same exact issue on ddr5. They sometimes sell kits with mixed ram dies, which means they won't run at their rated speeds

Also what are you using the pc for? If you're just gaming, 64gb actually hurts performance. And what cpu?

[vast meadow]

what bacca said also ram is ram so honeslty just get the cheapest for the same speed/latency/capacity you want

[dull flint]

Any of these instead really
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dFMMnQ/silicon-power-xpower-zenith-rgb-gaming-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-su064gxlwu60afdhsw
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yXyH99/teamgroup-t-create-expert-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr5-6000-cl34-memory-ctced564g6000hc34bdc01
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FTMMnQ/teamgroup-t-create-expert-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr5-6000-cl34-memory-ctcwd564g6000hc34bdc01
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xJV2FT/oloy-blade-rgb-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr5-6400-cl32-memory-nd5u3264320irkde

Not a day I'd ever recommend corsair even if they have the fastest 64gb kits

Not worth it for like, 1% speed and 30%+ cash

[burnt spear]

^

[dull flint]

They're all the same underneath, just a different heatsink, and to parrot what bacca said, locked pmic voltages in some cases

Which for something somewhat heavy like 6600 C32, on some boards you'd want to adjust voltage to make them work

[rotund rivet]

This is my current PC. Built a couple of months ago. Wanting to switch to 2 sticks from 4 Shared List https://newegg.io/6b9df0a

[burnt spear]

So your alr have all that but the ram?

Imo either
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9CcgXL/teamgroup-t-force-delta-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6400-cl32-memory-ff3d532g6400hc32adc01
Or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RV4Zxr/gskill-ripjaws-s5-48-gb-2-x-24-gb-ddr5-6400-cl32-memory-f5-6400j3239f24gx2-rs5k

[rotund rivet]

I have the ram. That’s current PC I built couple months ago. Wanting to reduce the amount of cards. Or should I just take 2 out and run with 32gb?

[finite sigil]

hi can i get help

[burnt spear]

Take out two.

[shy knoll]

Why isn't this built in to current motherboards?
https://www.amazon.com/CERRXIAN-Degree-Adapter-Desktop-Motherboard/dp/B0B4JMHW26/ref=asc_df_B0B4JMHW26/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=647118588855&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=4114083364191282352&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9010545&hvtargid=pla-1949504560203&psc=1&mcid=458d808fcff738bda30d5a28227d7a3b

[dull flint]

Because not all cases can fit that

In the same way they only have reverse plug mobos for reverse plug cases now

[shy knoll]

How would that not fit? A bank of 6 SATA data connectors mounted sideways on that side is already standard

[dull flint]

Sata is not necessarily needed these days and also a lot of boards don't bank them sideways lol

But the option is there, I have a 90 degree 24 pin adapter myself

Mine has extra capacitors in it for better power flow into the board (Unlike pcie one's, 24pin isn't very high power)

[shy knoll]

Sounds like it would be more expensive

[dull flint]

It was like $10 or something lol

Back from when I was more obsessed with accessories and pc knick knacks

[shy knoll]

You bought graphics card support stands in bulk

[dull flint]

I had one yeah

[shy knoll]

Had? Did it collapse under the weight?

[dull flint]

Took it apart a few times

Resprayed it

Now no longer use it

Most of those can be kinda hopeless as they're made really thin and don't really hold up the gpu

[shy knoll]

I'm just going to cut a length of pipe to put in there

[dull flint]

Honestly yes, much more effective

[sudden creek]

My pc crashed again....

This is genuinely starting to piss me off...

Windows Event Viewer has traced a few different errors?

Most recent crash and one that seems to be recurring is something called Kernel Power

Is it likely my CPU is faulty?

[sudden creek]

Just reinstalled my GPU drivers cause there was a OpenGL error in Event Viewer.

Do you guys think I should try to return and get a new cpu sent to me or keep trying to resolve these problems by tracking them down in Event Viewer as they show up?

[scenic solar]

It is so darn difficult to unbend those pins
15 done and 3 more to go (they will likely not survive)

[scenic solar]

fixed a few more lightly bent pins and i've found some that cannot be recovered (the ones I circled in yellow), the one on the bottom left is a VCC, foud adjacent ones are (top to bottom) GND, VCCSA, VCCIO, GND. unsure about the ones i circled in purple, they can be bent back but it's rather difficult, they look like they could work, those are PEG_TXP[14] & PEG_TXP[13].

would it be safe to put a cpu in? i'm assuming i'll have to test with different ram slots as one may not work

• also the VCCGT pin under the 2x3 empy zone on the left

unsure

[sudden creek]

Well good news, for the first time in days my PC managed to survive being on over-night without a crash.

I had changed what mode the PCIe slots were set to so they were correct and reinstalled gpu drivers via Geforce Experience.

[scenic solar]

Good job

Now I need someone to help me with the socket

[grizzled bloom]

Two of those you have in yellow are VCCSA and VCCIO which are kinda critical. Ground is one thing, but actual power to the things that keep the processor from spiraling into blue screen hell is another.

Maybe it'll work, maybe it won't.

As far as PEG_TX that'll be the PCIe slot that gets it's lanes from the CPU. It'll run in x8 mode probably instead of x16.

[scenic solar]

So, do I just try?
I wanted to know if maybe a combination of missing pins could actually cause damage to the cpu, only that, i still got some more pins back to a better shape so I'll tell you which ones are the most damaged ones that will likely not work
See if anything changes, just a few minutes and I'll send you the scheme

[grizzled bloom]

Missing pins probably won't damage the CPU, bent pins might if there's an arc.

[scenic solar]

yellow - non repairable, purple - maybe working

i have a few other pins that are not perfectly aligned but nothing that should cause shorts or non functioning stuff

[grizzled bloom]

The one VCC pin is a non-concern, there's plenty of others. VCCIO would only have 4 other working ones so that's a toss up. VCCSA... try not to overclock memory on this board and it should be ok.

[scenic solar]

oc? hehe i don't think so (it's a h310)

just a sec, is the top left of the scheme where the triangle is?

if i'm looking at it correctly i can say i just unbent the vcc one rn

[grizzled bloom]

If you're going to try it I'd say put the GPU in a chipset PCIe slot first to see ifthe rest of the CPU works, then you can move it to the CPU slot later and see if it's stable.

[scenic solar]

it's just one x16 slot anyways, sort of itx mobo + 1x pcie

igpu

that's it for testing

[grizzled bloom]

Well, use the igpu then yeah

[scenic solar]

only problem i don't really have any 1151 cpus... i do have an i5 7400 but i never checked if it works

jk, i do have a 6400

i forgor

so i just try it now...?

last check at all the pins

[shy knoll]

Would Newegg reject my motherboard refund if I don't return the m.2 heatsink protective film I peeled off for the slots I used?

[grizzled bloom]

No

If it's able to be resold then they'll be selling as "open box" anyway, which has the disclaimer of "accessories may be missing"

[grizzled bloom]

https://youtu.be/llKZzym9hAo?si=068bYuev3XVMsojB

[dull flint]

OH NO SPOILERS!! >>> ||It's exactly what you and everyone else expected||

[grizzled bloom]

It does finally make sense for an upgrade path at least

$350 was a tough ask when you could almost do a full platform upgrade for that

[sudden creek]

Okay, so while I am not 100% if it's stable yet but so far 24+ hours with no crashes.

Changes were:

• Manually set PCIE modes
• Disabled iGPU
• Reinstalled GPU drivers using custom install via geforce experience.

[scenic solar]

I put the 6400 in as well as the non tested 7400. Nothing bad happened except for the fact that both 6th and 7th gen are not compatible with this mobo, thus resulting in a immediate shutdown because that's how asrock handles uncompatible cpus

[scenic solar]

Asrock and their cheap stuff lol
Btw I should have known that since I have that same mobo on my 2nd budget build

[scenic solar]

Also there's a motherboard I got (asrock h81) described as "untested" and i guess they thought "nah for parts just doesn't sound right enough" cuz it's straight up not working

[sudden creek]

SWEET! 2 days no crashes.

[dusk tide]

Im currently using a i7-8700 on a Asus Prime z390-A. I just bought a i7-13700k and a MSI Pro z790-A Max Wifi with DDR5 ram sticks. The only parts Im transfering over is my SSD/HDD along with fans and cooler. Im using windows 10 and its OEM so i figure ill have to buy windows again for the new set up. Im just wanting some advice on what i should be ready for when it comes to booting up the first time on a new CPU and Motherboard with hard drives from my old computer? still new to pc tech stuff. Also when it comes to getting windows again should i go for windows 11 or stick with 10?

[grizzled bloom]

If you got it on ebay and the seller won't refund you just start a dispute because that's "item not as described" 100%

[scenic solar]

Well, it is as described... kind of
"Untested" as they may not have know if it was working or not, but I know other people that bought untested items and they were straight up not working at all, that's how some sellers are able to get the most money out of non working items.
I still got a 4160 with the mobo, I'll diagnose it someday... it was 20 bucks. If I get it working, I can still use it as a testing motherboard

They always try to sell them for more money, and people who want to buy those items have just more hope for them to work, even if they later come up as completley broken.

[grizzled bloom]

I had a similar dispute with a seller. I bought a PS4 controller and the charge port was completely broken, it wouldn't acknowledge that it was plugged in. They had it listed as "used" and "untested", ebay sided with me because it was miscategorized, "untested" should be listed as "for parts" every time.

[scenic solar]

I saw a untested 2060 for a starting price of 80 euro, I really feel like they're just trying to get the most money out of a broken card, like cmon... if you know what you're selling you may also know if it's working or not, unless you really don't have the time or tools to test it

That's why I basically never bought untested items for such high prices but this one included a cpu, worth at least 15 bucks

• if I get the mb to work I can use it as a small upgrade for my hp computer - testbenck

[scenic solar]

So, in this case, I'm the one that took the risk for the untested mobo
And i still feel like people are using the term "untested" waaay too much to cover up the actual non-working state of the items

[grizzled bloom]

Exactly why ebay policy is "untested" means "for parts"

[sudden creek]

Pretty much no one is going to read a giant block of text.

In any case, you are going to need to do a clean install of Windows 11 cause of the 13700K.

[scenic solar]

Cpus arrived in sussy looking package

[amber canopy]

Cocaine

[distant gulch]

Smarties dust

[sudden creek]

Please help.... I moved placed today and when I opened my PC I had another crash (same as before). This was the error that showed up in Event Viewer.

[grizzled bloom]

That's the nvidia driver so you know it's somehow related to the GPU

[sudden creek]

Oh so it's not my CPU?

I thought it's been my CPU this whole time.

[grizzled bloom]

nvlddmkm is part of the GPU driver, nvidia specifically

[sudden creek]

What would you recommend I do?

I've been using Geforce Experience to update my drivers. Should I use a older driver?

[grizzled bloom]

DDU and try an older driver yeah

[sudden creek]

What is DDU?

[grizzled bloom]

?ddu

[silk jungle]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[sudden creek]

Is nvlddmkm usually a fixable issue?

Also, thank you Fal'cie and everyone else who has been so kind and helping me out.

[grizzled bloom]

Depends on the root cause, that's just the error reporting part of the driver

[sudden creek]

i can grab the lvl info

[grizzled bloom]

Could be a misbehaving new driver version in which case it's easy, or it could be hardware in which case it's not

First thing to try is a new driver though

[sudden creek]

I am on the newest game ready driver in Geforce Experience.

Sorry, Fallen I did not mean to ping you.

The error info

@grizzled bloom

Yay.... PC is frozen.

this error has been popping up as well and just caused a BSOD I think.

Welp this is getting frustrating. Yet another crash.

[sudden creek]

Currently on step 6 of DDU.

[grizzled bloom]

By new driver I mean a new old driver 🙃
I'm on a version from September that's been pretty stable. Don't update your drivers unless you're having problems or there's new features or games you want in the new version.

[sudden creek]

Gotcha.

How far back you recommend I select for my driver's?

[grizzled bloom]

The late December driver is good I think

[sudden creek]

From 2023?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes

[sudden creek]

Do I reinstall my GPU drivers now using GeForce Experience?

Or is there another expected way?

[sudden creek]

@grizzled bloom, are you referring to a Game Ready Driver or Studio driver?

[grizzled bloom]

Game ready driver

Hang on my power just came back on

[grizzled bloom]

https://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/216928/en-us/

[sudden creek]

Just got back as well.

[sudden creek]

How did you find this? I tried using that site but did not get anything except the latest version. Also, does it work with the 3070 or version does not matter?

forget my question about the 3070...

[grizzled bloom]

Magic 😜

But really I just googled "nvidia game ready december 2023"

[sudden creek]

Oh.

I tried using the search filter.

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah they do make it kind of useless for some reason

There's a link for "beta and older drivers"

[dull flint]

Almost like

There was nothing wrong

With the current driver

[sudden creek]

welp time to wait 5 years cause I am using hotspot via my phone rn for wifi.

[dull flint]

[sudden creek]

wifi at the new place I moved into is horrible.

[split copper]

best case scenario

[grizzled bloom]

Once you hit that

[sudden creek]

I missed that then.

It's interesting watching thread use in process lasso after I had dedicate all my day to day apps and rgb stuff to 4 cores.

[grizzled bloom]

Not your fault, they hide it in the fine print on the main download search page

[sudden creek]

Just occurred to me. While I dread this idea, if I need to for testing or if gpu is bad. The 7950x3D has an iGPU, can that handle day to day tasks?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes

The igpu on it is plenty for watching videos and such

[sudden creek]

And also, think it can handle MW Warzone on ultra low settings?

[grizzled bloom]

No

[sudden creek]

rip.

[dull flint]

It will do windows things

[sudden creek]

I got a GT 720 sitting around (not sure if it works).

[dull flint]

Not game things

[grizzled bloom]

The 8700G APU can

[dull flint]

Do you like age of empires?

It'll do age of empires

The old one

Not the new one

[sudden creek]

Never played it, heard of it being mentioned here and there though.

[dull flint]

How about DOS games

[grizzled bloom]

Undertale would run

[dull flint]

Do you like doom se

Doom 2

Railroad tycoon?

[grizzled bloom]

Gameboy emulators

[dull flint]

Ppsspp?

[grizzled bloom]

Maybe

[dull flint]

Ye kinda pushing it

Nvm

[grizzled bloom]

I haven't checked on how that one runs lately

[sudden creek]

The games I play lately are mostly modern ones such as Minecraft, Halo Franchise, Ark Survival Evolved, Call Of Duty, and on occasion horror games like Ghost Watchers or Phasmaphobia.

[dull flint]

Ppsspp is stupid stable

Epsxe too

[grizzled bloom]

I mostly just use retroarch now unless there's specific settings I want to use

Or for more powerful consoles that need specific game tweaks

[dull flint]

I could never get retroarch to work

Idk I might be stupid but also I spent hours

[grizzled bloom]

Really? It's stupid simple, you just have to remember to download the cores and data files

[dull flint]

Mhm

I forget what I was trying to emulate

It may have been ps3? Can't remember

[sudden creek]

what is retroarch, Ppsspp or Epsxe?

[grizzled bloom]

Gamecube can be kinda rough

Emulators for old consoles

[sudden creek]

ahh okay.

[grizzled bloom]

Retroarch is a collection of emulators intended to unify your game collection into one menu

[sudden creek]

I never really got into those cause they were a pain in the ass to setup and run back In china unless you had a vpn in which case latency became unbareable.

[grizzled bloom]

Dump your own games and you don't need to download anything (like you're supposed to do in the first place)

[sudden creek]

My biggest issue was latency cause I would try to emulate PUBG mobile for example on my pc.

US version.

[grizzled bloom]

Oh yeah that would be an issue. Android emulation in general is rough.

[sudden creek]

yeah... barely worked.

the driver is now half way done

and so far no crashes since uninstalling drivers.

[grizzled bloom]

That's a good sign at least

[sudden creek]

hopefully so.

Come to think of it.

My pc was working fine for the first couple weeks with the only crashes being due to RAM OC and it wasn't until around the time I updated my drivers that these crashes started occurring.

[obsidian tinsel]

Is 17227 score in cinebench for a r7 7800x3d fine? Max temp was 85C, and I have not tweaked anything in the bios, only enabled real-time prio in task manager. Checked reddit, most had 18k and above

[cursive epoch]

that's probably pbo enabled

[obsidian tinsel]

yup, but could pbo add 1000 to the score? saw that it's a slight performance increase

[grizzled bloom]

Stock scores are always lower than what you'll see posted online because people that want to post it online are usually overclocking it

Yes pbo can easily add 1000 points

[cursive epoch]

^

benchmark scores care a lot about tiny gains

[grizzled bloom]

I can do a quick run on my 5800X stock vs pbo to show you if you like

[obsidian tinsel]

yeah they have a lot of stuff tweaked, at least it seems like that for me. pbo, expo, curve optimizer yada yada

[grizzled bloom]

Curve optimizer is the only one of those three that requires more than 2 clicks

[obsidian tinsel]

nah youre good Ill enable it and rerun the bench

[obsidian tinsel]

Yeah, I have the ram running at its advertised speed

not sure if that is expo or not

[grizzled bloom]

Some brands will call it differently, memory profiles is another name

[burnt spear]

What ram do you have?

[obsidian tinsel]

uh

g.skill trident z5 6000mhz cl30

[cursive epoch]

good kit

[obsidian tinsel]

yup, people here guided me what to look out for

[cursive epoch]

oh felix did the helping

[burnt spear]

Yeah that wouldn't be the issue

[cursive epoch]

good

[obsidian tinsel]

yess

[burnt spear]

6000c30 pog. Though you could spend 10 min or so in bios changing a few settings for ram (ram tuning) and get a decent boost in perf

It's not as huge of a difference for an x3d chip, but it would still boost performance

You could like set it to something like 6000c28-30-30-68 instead of 6000c30-32-32-74 (I'd imagine that's what it's running at rn? Or similar anyways)

The die is hynix, which is as good as it gets for ram tuning on ddr5, and it's dead easy (at least for some simple stuff)

[obsidian tinsel]

no clue

[burnt spear]

If you ever want help with it, ask over in the overclocking chat. I haven't tuned ddr5 myself so I don't know exactly what to do, but someone could give you instructions pretty easily

Like, it took me 15 min to do the equivalent with my ddr4 kit and I had no idea what I was doing

[obsidian tinsel]

yeah sounds good

so the score if fine for a stock cpu? just curious if it's underperforming in any way

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah that's about what you'd expect stock

[cursive epoch]

don't see the need to run pbo anyway

excess heat for small gains

tuning ram is more worth it

[grizzled bloom]

It's one of things where you can see the difference in a benchmark but in the real world it's not anything of note, maybe 2 fps

[cursive epoch]

ye

[obsidian tinsel]

yup alright

thanks guys

[sudden creek]

My pc crashed again just now.... I am losing my mind over this.

[split copper]

isn't that just overclocking in general lol

[grizzled bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/well-yes-but-actually-no-meme-aardman-the-pirates-pirate-gif-26563702

Memory overclocking can make a very noticeable difference in games because it directly affects the frame time smoothness

[sudden creek]

......

[long geyser]

Memory tunings hasnt been killed as hard as CPU/GPU tuning due to the fact that there is no good automatic RAM tuner for first POST, let alone realtime (boost behavior).

[sudden creek]

Do you guys have any suggestions as what I should do.... I am genuinely losing my mind over this random crash that keeps happening.

[grizzled bloom]

I'm leaning towards hardware issue personally. Assuming I'm remembering correctly and you tried a clean install of windows already.

[sudden creek]

already did.

I am also noticing this error showing up with the reboots. Kernal Power (41)

[grizzled bloom]

That's normal after an abnormal shutdown

It's just windows saying "hey I didn't get to clean up"

[sudden creek]

these are all the error/critical logs that have shown up, anything stand out to you? If not, should I try running just the iGPU for a day or two to see if the error still comes up?

[grizzled bloom]

I notice that NetBT has the same number of errors as you have unsafe shutdowns

That sounds like your bluetooth to me

[sudden creek]

Where do you see the shutdowns? Also, if it is bluetooth how would I go about fixing it and can it really cause this?

[grizzled bloom]

It wouldn't be the weirdest thing I've seen bluetooth do

I've seen bluetooth prevent the ethernet from working

Unsafe shutdowns would be that ID 41

Bluetooth issues can usually be solved by upgrading or downgrading the driver

[sudden creek]

At this point anything is worth a try, I really can't afford to replace this chip rn.

How do I upgrade the driver?

[grizzled bloom]

What wifi card do you have

Or at least what motherboard if you don't know

[sudden creek]

MSI X670-P

[grizzled bloom]

Ok that has an AMD wifi card

Do you know what version of the driver it's using right now?

[sudden creek]

No.

[grizzled bloom]

Device manager can tell you. Find it under bluetooth and right click, properties. The driver tab will give a version and driver compile date.

[sudden creek]

version: 1.1037.0.395

[grizzled bloom]

Ok that is the latest one

[sudden creek]

Disable it or change it to an older version?

[grizzled bloom]

Are you using it often?

[sudden creek]

Haven't used it once.

[grizzled bloom]

Disable it then

[sudden creek]

Guess I restart the pc now then wait to see what happens?

[grizzled bloom]

Yep.

🤞

[sudden creek]

Well I gotta go to bed. I pray to g0d this fixes the issue. Again, thank you for always helping me out.

[grizzled bloom]

https://youtu.be/OCuVEuFIkew?si=BkgJ_dVeWBIU6_GK

TL:DW
DO NOT BUY THE 5700 (non X)
It is not a cut down 5700X as the name implies, but a 5700G with the iGPU disabled.

[split copper]

lol

well that's goofy

[cursive epoch]

oooof

that's sad

[grizzled bloom]

They called it "the most anti consumer product from AMD in many years"

[dull flint]

They should change that

To whatever that other version is

5500GT?

5700GT

Although AMD might really listen to that criticism

[grizzled bloom]

But there's no G so it would be just T?

[dull flint]

They have the 5900 and 5600

[cursive epoch]

it's 5700g with no igpu

[dull flint]

Eh

5700f then

[cursive epoch]

should've just been ryzen 7 5600

[dull flint]

No

5700f

Like 7500f

[cursive epoch]

but that's still not easy to tell

[dull flint]

God no, don't make it as bad as the laptops

Spare me

[cursive epoch]

people will mistake it as 5700x but non x

[split copper]

5650

[cursive epoch]

oh yeah

[dull flint]

5700F should be the name

[grizzled bloom]

Consider that this is also comparing against laptop parts where 7240 and 7245 are totally different generations

[cursive epoch]

5700GF

need a gf? you can buy em from amd

no more being single

[grizzled bloom]

We all know what these are really for. Scamming OEMs.

[dull flint]

5700 Gluten Free

[cursive epoch]

"look! our pc has 5700!'

[cursive epoch]

wth

[split copper]

checkmade atiets

[cursive epoch]

how

[dull flint]

Really hope they fix that naming nomenclature

[cursive epoch]

why

[dull flint]

5600 is a downbin

5700 should be downbin

5600g...

This is so goofy

They can't decide what to call it clearly

[grizzled bloom]

We always have to disclaimer that site too, it's just a "rough guide" and only marginally better than ubm because at least it doesn't shill as hard.

[split copper]

ther cpu is single

[cursive epoch]

i call these

laptop derived cpus

same cache amount

same igp

same architecture

[dull flint]

Can't wait for 5600V (Vegetarian)

[split copper]

it's only vegetarian if the sand is plant based

[dull flint]

wh-

[sudden creek]

My pc just rebooted twice back to back, and here are the errors that popped up in EventViewer (all listed as 2 within the last hour).

Installing AMD drivers right now.

[dull flint]

DPC watchdog violation

That could be literally anything

[sudden creek]

which one is the DPC watchdog violation?

Also note, the crashes are happening randomly and almost always under low load like just browing, using discord, etc.

[long geyser]

5669GF
The gods hated this name so much they turned off the power to my house just as I was about to type it

[sudden creek]

Just experienced another crash,....

[long geyser]

Honestly I think this is fine. AMD has done the funni multi generation for some time now and will continue doing the funni. Having a way to know when they are doing the funni is good. It'll be the best we are ever getting in today's market, in terms of names that represent the product.

[dull flint]

Change psu behaviour in bios to "Typical current idle"

No I don't know where it is

It's in a different place for every board

[sudden creek]

Got it.

[dull flint]

Reminds me of my 5900x random reboots

Same deal, rebooted at idle or low draw

That was the fix

[sudden creek]

I really hope you are right.... This issue has caused me so many problems and delays in work.

[dull flint]

Could try disabling c states after

That usually fixes most agesa problems

But also disables boost

[sudden creek]

Gonna go into bios and try the psu resolution.

[dull flint]

If it gets you somewhere though initially then you'd at least have the fallback

Anyway good luck with it I'm out

Tired af

[sudden creek]

aight.

ty for the suggestions

For once, the search bar actually was helpful.

Just set the Power Supply Idle State to "Typical Current Idle"

[pale fox]

Any good wifi 5 micro atx mobo for amd?

[hollow thorn]

Which CPU specifically?

[grizzled bloom]

Why not WiFi 6? They're cross compatible, it just rubs at the speed of the slowest link in the chain.

[pale fox]

5600x

can do wifi 6

[hollow thorn]

B550m pro vdh wifi should work well

[pale fox]

i guess so

how about the Gigabyte B550M K mATX Motherboard?

[hollow thorn]

That doesn't have wifi..?

[pale fox]

no?

ah ok

[pale fox]

is it micro atx?

dont answer it i just had a look

[grizzled bloom]

If there's an "m" at the end of the chipset model, like B550m, that denotes a micro ATX model. WiFi models will usually include AC for Wi-Fi 5 or AX for Wi-Fi 6.

[split copper]

m is for micro atx and i is for mini itx :)

[amber canopy]

no

i am me

[burnt spear]

And you are for mini itx

[shy knoll]

What's the name of the little "wings" on the sides of an Intel CPU, where the bracket presses down on? It normal for those to be scuffed on a used CPU?

[cursive epoch]

Yes

They're not wings, they're just a part of the IHS design

[shy knoll]

They have a function, so I assumed they had a name. I couldn't think of anything else to call them

[grizzled bloom]

The back of your knee also has a function but no official name

[shy knoll]

It SHOULD have a name! It's like an armpit!

[dull flint]

Wings is a good name for it

Or like

Divot

Protrusion

[limber dragon]

you guys mean tabs?

[shy knoll]

Ooh divot

[dull flint]

Tabs

Ye

[shy knoll]

Why didn't I think of TABS

[dull flint]

Lmao

[sudden creek]

Anyone here have experiences where Process Lasso is not showing active processes?

[burnt spear]

@dull flint obviously you need to spend $250+ for a mobo on am5, the cheap ones just aren't good enough
https://wccftech.com/asrock-110-us-b650-motherboard-sets-overclocking-world-record-amd-ryzen-9-7950x-cpu/

[shy knoll]

Wow, where can I buy that cooler?

[sudden creek]

Anyone know why Process Lasso is not showing anything in Active Processes?

[dull flint]

[grizzled bloom]

BuT X670EEEEEEEEE iS bEsT

[sudden creek]

@dull flint, I think your advice on the PSU typical-current-idle may've worked. I have not had any crashes, instabillities, etc.

[dull flint]

That fix took me months to find when I first started on AM4, same behaviour, same result ig

[sudden creek]

yeah

[sudden creek]

Is it a problem related to the PSU or Mobo? Or no clue?

[dull flint]

If I told you weeks of turning knobs until something worked would you believe me 💀

That same system has been stable for years

[sudden creek]

Yeah...

Cause my symptoms sound so damn similar. Works no problems then all of a sudden random reboots

[dull flint]

Yep

For me I'd be like, idling on desktop 99% of the time

Wallpaper engine going

Suddenly immediate reboot

What mobo have you got

[sudden creek]

MSI X670-P

[dull flint]

Ok so mine was a gigabyte board

[sudden creek]

Should be on latest drivers (updated it about a month ago when I upgraded).

[dull flint]

So unrelated to manu

I really couldn't pin it down to anything

Agesa is such a loot box of possible problems you could be at it for years

If it's fixed, don't break it

Imo

[sudden creek]

agreed. I gotta wonder if we're just unlucky or AMD and other part manufacturers need to seriously better qualify their stuff before shipping.

Never had these problems even once when I was with Intel.

[dull flint]

No it's just agesa

Agesa is deserving of a lot of expletives that I would get banned for saying

[sudden creek]

Alright.

Are you able to at least say who designs/makes agesa?

nevermind just looked it up.

[tender sleet]

how well does Hynix M-die OC?

[burnt spear]

Very well for amd

[tender sleet]

found a discounted 2×16Gb 5600 CL36-38-38 guaranteed Hynix M kit

[burnt spear]

M die is best for amd

A die best for intel

[tender sleet]

I was wondering if 6000 CL36 would be feasible

[burnt spear]

You could do 6000c30-32-32-68 almost for certain

[tender sleet]

woah

Based

[burnt spear]

Likely far better too

[tender sleet]

Pog

[burnt spear]

If you ask for some easy M die settings in #overclocking someone should give you some basic settings to change in bios

[tender sleet]

kk

was just curious how well it'd work is all

[tender sleet]

also quick fun fact
The cost difference between the 2×16Gb 5600 CL36-38-38 guaranteed Hynix M
And a 2×16Gb 6000 CL36-38-38 guaranteed Hynix M
Is like 5% in price

[sudden creek]

I have A die 2x32 6000c32. At 1.5v I can do 6400cl28 (assuming you do primaries first)

[burnt spear]

What's the rest of the primaries?

[sudden creek]

lemme check, I am running the xmp rn.

[tender sleet]

Personally I'd not be very comfortable running 1.5v, but that is impressive

[sudden creek]

xD, I run 1.6v

[burnt spear]

I'd imagine smthn like 28-32-30-72 or something along those lines

[burnt spear]

1.5v is very safe

At least for ddr5

[tender sleet]

Yeah I guess the old DDR4 safe numbers feel more familiar to me

IIRC over 1.4v there used to be danger territory

[sudden creek]

A/M die you can shove voltage in them just fine

[burnt spear]

1.55 I think is the highest I'd go for a daily, but maybe it's 1.6 that's fine and over that is dangerous to daily

[tender sleet]

okay DDR5 is way more impressive than I thought

[sudden creek]

Problem with M die is thermals.

Apparently it gets way hotter and is more sensitive to temps then my A die.

[tender sleet]

Yeah I'm not gonna shove it into my current crapbox lmao

[burnt spear]

Ddr5 is dope for tuning

[tender sleet]

and by crapbox I mean
no intake, no fans, plexi side panel

[burnt spear]

I'm on ddr4 rev e which is second best for tuning buy I haven't done much w it

[tender sleet]

If I put the side panel on the CPU power draw falls by 30+ watts

[burnt spear]

I dont know when I'll get to swap to ddr5, since my current limiter is my gpu for sure

[tender sleet]

which basically kills perf

[dull flint]

How are you sure these are guaranteed

[burnt spear]

And I won't swap to d5 till I upgrade my cpu too, since I'm not going to buy a mobo and ram just for my current cpu

[tender sleet]

checked by QVL list on the mobo page then cross-referenced part number to confirm it is the same kit

[dull flint]

QVL is not a confirmation

QVL, like how it is in the real world, is a lottery of random kits

[cursive epoch]

qvl is just a list lol

[tender sleet]

I mean it'd be pretty scummy to advertise it as Hynix M for sure when it isn't

[dull flint]

It demonstrating a kit of hynix only means that kit can have hynix

[sudden creek]

I no longer have the bios config cause I did a clean wipe of my system.

But it was somewhere along these lines: 1.5v @ 6400cl28-32-32-66

[dull flint]

It's not

It's just stating that the kit they had was hynix

It's not a guarantee

[tender sleet]

oh no it outright said exclusively Hynix M die

like specifically

[sudden creek]

keep in mind I am running 2x32 so it doesn't OC as well.

[dull flint]

I understand but you're misunderstanding

[tender sleet]

Oh 64 gigs at those speeds?
That is pretty good

[dull flint]

I can buy a 4800 CL40 kit and it could have micron, samsung or hynix

[tender sleet]

well the alternative is misleading the customer on Gigabyte's fault then

[dull flint]

5600 cl36 is usually 5S16B

[sudden creek]

Note, on A die past 1.45v I'd recommend a ram fan.

[dull flint]

Lmfao

[sudden creek]

I think Felix has the M die?

[tender sleet]

No, I think Felix actually has the W die

[dull flint]

A mobo qvl is not a guarantee

If you don't believe me you can buy it and find out

[tender sleet]

Sure would be useful to have a database where you punch in a part # and it spits out the dies used for it

[dull flint]

A mobo qvl is just a statement of x kits tested at y speeds

[sudden creek]

Either my CPU has a really good IMC or my ram I got super lucky with it. idk which one though, xD.

[dull flint]

People have made these before

[sudden creek]

Not enough samples on hand to test

[dull flint]

Like the fabled "b die finder"

I make the guidelines for finding hynix so people don't make the mistake of playing the lottery with their sticks

There are very specific xmp's

If it's 36-36-36 it's a high guarantee for samsung

[sudden creek]

btw Felix, you have any idea as to what Chipset Voltage and Chipset P1 Voltage is?

[dull flint]

Nope

PCH voltage is a thing I've spent no time studying

[tender sleet]

IIRC flat timings in general are 99% Samsung

[dull flint]

Yes

So you realise the concern I have here

[tender sleet]

36-38-38 would probably be Hynix at least iirc

[dull flint]

You can get hynix in a CL36 kit, but you can (and most of the time will) get samsung

[sudden creek]

Idk what the price is for you but the D5 2x32 Kingston Fury kit I bought is pretty good.

[tender sleet]

like 75% chance of Hynix die

[dull flint]

That's still good chance of samsung

6000 cl36-38-38 still sammies possible

[tender sleet]

I hardly ever see any Samsung dies for some reason

[sudden creek]

Lucky.

[tender sleet]

maybe it's a regional thing?

idk just guessing

[dull flint]

Micro center basically lives off of samsung ddr5

[sudden creek]

Possible.

[dull flint]

They give it away with like every bundle

[sudden creek]

Are samsung's chip cheaper to produce?

[dull flint]

Idk

[cursive epoch]

free ddr5 is free ddr5

[dull flint]

Samsung is a choice and samsung can run up to a speed far less than that of hynix

[sudden creek]

Yep, and with it being free I won't be bothered when I chug 2V dram into it, xD

[dull flint]

I don't buy the chips so I'd have no idea

💀

[sudden creek]

My board idk if it should be a concern lets me do that lmao.

[dull flint]

Some ram brands exclusively buy hynix ddr5 and advertise it on their articles

[sudden creek]

Like Teamgroup right?

[dull flint]

No

Teamgroup has samsung skus

[sudden creek]

Ahh thought it was Hynix only.

[dull flint]

And micron

V-color is an example of basically hynix exclusive

Every article in big bold letters

HYNIX A DIE

And they bin it too

Oloy bins as well but I'd be unaware if hynix exclusive

Galax would be hynix exclusive if they have any sticks

Yeah I can't think of any others rn

[sudden creek]

apparently they do

[dull flint]

Teamgroup is supposed to hate micron but there are observable sticks with micron in the wild with ddr5 iirc

[dull flint]

If you want best of the best you'd go galax

Their HoF sticks are no joke

[sudden creek]

No DDR5 unfortunately.

[dull flint]

Ah well their ddr4 was very much samsung B

16 gbit B A2 sticks

Binned to stupid lengths

[sudden creek]

No point in me buying without a CPU that can do like 7k+ stable though.

[sudden creek]

that's good.

[burnt spear]

Just do 10000mhz desynced

I wonder at what point desynced is actually better

[sudden creek]

Was about to ask, at what speed does de-sync actually overcome the latency issues and etc that I keep hearing about.

[dull flint]

There are details about this out there

Without trying to be like, too on the nose and be a bit generalised

On AM4 it's something like 4400 desynced overcomes 3800 synced

And on AM5 8000 desynced overcomes some 6400 synced

It's something to that rough effect

[burnt spear]

Really, thought it would be a lot higher than that

Good to know

[dull flint]

I think the overclocking guide has a ddr4 table

But ddr5 I learnt from videos

[burnt spear]

I've never really looked through it much

Sips gave me some easy settings to get my rev e to 3600c16 and I haven't done much else

But at least I'm not running it at xmp anymore

[sudden creek]

what are the downsides to de-sync?

[dull flint]

Latency penalty iirc

[sudden creek]

didn't someone break the world record recently at around 10k?

[dull flint]

But by tuning the ram to be just better, you overcome the penalty

[sudden creek]

I always forget, what does iirc mean?

[dull flint]

The am5 record yes, not the ddr5 record

[dull flint]

If i remember correctly

[sudden creek]

gotcha.

Are there any penalties besides latency with de-syncing?

[dull flint]

No idea

I don't recall anything

[sudden creek]

Ngl I wonder if my ram can do 8k

Man it feels good to not crash every 5m-8hrs or so.

Ty, Felix.

[dull flint]

Lol np

[sudden creek]

How much Dram voltage do you think I'd need for 7k on my A die?

I feel tempted to see what the highest frequency I can boot with is.

[burnt spear]

You'd likely have to do worse timings, but you could likely do 8k+ at 1.65, though I'm not certain that's safe to daily

Felix is the ram oc guy, I defer to him here

[sudden creek]

I was comfortable at 1.6v

From what I read online, it's past 1.65/1.7 that A die starts risking degration?

[dull flint]

I really think if you loosened the timings a little bit you could run 6400 CL30 without sweating at like 1.5V

Hell 1.4V probably works on 6400 CL30

[sudden creek]

My most recent oc at 1.6v was either cl30 or cl32. Apparently it seems tertiaries affect my primaries.

[dull flint]

Yes but I'm running 1.4v for 6400 CL32

[sudden creek]

I can get 6400 to boot at 1.35v I am prett y sure.

Actually lemme try that

[dull flint]

Like I'm not even close to your voltage

[sudden creek]

True.

Out of curiosity, are you running 2x32 or 2x16?

I wonder if it could be a capacity thing.

[dull flint]

2x32

I'm on older sticks too

Like late M

[sudden creek]

Is A or M die newer?

[dull flint]

A is newer

[sudden creek]

oh I thought it was the other way.

I am gonna start redoing my ocs again I think.

Gonna start by seeing if 6400 boots at 1.35v

brb

[dull flint]

Alr

[sudden creek]

Back, went into bios again cause I wanted to re-enable some stuff.

6400 does indeed boot at 1.35v just fine

[dull flint]

Yes it should

Because you're running the mem controller way harder than the ram

The ram should be doing 1.6V at like, north of 7000 lmao

[sudden creek]

Is there anyway to make 6600 work? It was like semi-stable before.

Like boots but not stable.

[dull flint]

Patience and careful testing

Small adjustments

A lot of time

[sudden creek]

Would it be related to SOC voltages or?

[dull flint]

SOC you must keep under 1.3

Unless you want the cpu to pop

[sudden creek]

Yeah no ty there, xD also my board limits me to 1.3v either way

[glossy wave]

Anyone help me trouble shoot

How do i fix this

[sudden creek]

Nvm on second thought I just remembered last time I tried to get 6600 to work it was never stable despite hours upon hours of tuning.

[dull flint]

It's way too late for me to keep awake sorry

Ima sleep

[sudden creek]

1.6v did make 65k TRFC stable though.

[glossy wave]

can anyone help me find out how to fix this

[dull flint]

Try #general-chat

[sudden creek]

Aight, have a good one Felix.

[dull flint]

Gn

[sudden creek]

applied 1.6v, 6400mhz and tReFI 65k

[scenic solar]

Had 44 bent pins + 5 broken on a rog z270e, managed to get back 42 of them, two snapped due to excessive damage.
The missing pins are the highlighted ones, 3vccgt (igpu?), one Vss and a reserved pin.
Is it safe to put a cpu in now?

Maybe I'll have to use dedicated gpu if it doesn't work off the igpu

There's also another vccgt broken pin on the lower right side

[sudden creek]

I am running TM5 and I notice this show up even when I run it with Administrator. Any idea why this is.

[sudden creek]

How hard would it be to run 96/128GB of D5 ram on a 7950x3D?

[cursive epoch]

harder than 64

[dull flint]

Yes

[sudden creek]

Was thinking for future use it'd be nice to have 96GB+.

about 15-20gigs of my ram is being gobbled up by servers.

[split copper]

Build a server cluster

[sudden creek]

You mean like a 2nd pc?

[dull flint]

Server pc would be a bit of a no brainer

Run a 32gb server pc using your old am4 cpu

[sudden creek]

true, just lack the parts rn

[grizzled bloom]

48GB is generally the most you can run without compromising performance

[long geyser]

This was a ML translated note I made from I believe it was the creator of TM5 on an online forum post some years ago: "AWE mode is unlocked after the first run of the program, BUT it is applied only after a reboot-relogin. It is difficult, and therefore not treated. That is, the program must be launched, and then immediately reloaded. You don't have to do that again until a new windows reshuffle."

So basically, run admin then restart

[scenic solar]

Please someone tell me if it is safe to test this mb

[grizzled bloom]

"Safe" sure, you're not going to kill the CPU with a few missing pins, as long as nothing is bridging ground to VSS. Whether it works at all is the question, and if it's stable is another thing entirely.

[scenic solar]

I always make sure there are no shorted pins, let's see if it works now

[scenic solar]

Just to avoid throwing away money, I use the i5 6400, which costs just 20-25 euro used

Just to know, what would happen if I had a pin that supplies power connected to a cpu gnd pad and a gnd pin connected to a pad that should receive power instead

?

[scenic solar]

Is "reserved" just a non used pin or a data reporting one, like temperature?

[scenic solar]

@grizzled bloom

[split copper]

that's a power supply

[scenic solar]

Yeah kind of

Should by my servers secondary psu
As you can see I added a bunch of sata connectors

[grizzled bloom]

Not used, reserved for future use (like a socket refresh)

[scenic solar]

Oh ok
When it powers up it shows the rog logo a bit squashed like if it was a 4:3 aspect ratio. Is that normal? maybe it just acts strange with the tv...?
Haven't gone into bios yet, but the other screen seems ok

The AMI screen looks good. I should probably check uefi

[sudden creek]

Gotcha will try it when I am home.

[sudden creek]

Think I could run 96GB at 6,000mhz? Currently able to do 6,400mhz at 2x32

[cerulean wadi]

Doubt it

[grizzled bloom]

With 2x48GB maybe, you'd have to be lucky for that. Not with any combination of 4 sticks.

[sudden creek]

Saw the thumbnail of a article say that IPC gains of ryzen 8000 series may be as high as +50% anyone have knowledge on if this information might be true?

[grizzled bloom]

Not a chance

First of all they're probably skipping 8000 and going to 9000, second of all the most optimistic estimate I've seen is 15% ipc plus a 10% clock speed bump for about a 20-25% overall gain. Basically matching the 7800X3D in gaming with the regular series, with 9000X3D coming later.

[burnt spear]

I mean we already have 8000 series

I think it'll be like 4000 series

[grizzled bloom]

Yes but I mean for regular next gen parts.
I agree, the same as 4000 where is treated as a mid cycle refresh series.

[burnt spear]

4000 series/5000 series both launched same year, right?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes, May 4000 November 5000 (2020)

[scenic solar]

Just checked out some things in the rog motherboard uefi. No graphics artifacts of anything. Tomorrow, I'll try windows and see if the igpu can sustain a bigger load than the uefi gui.
Looking good so far
It's mainly igpu power pins missing after all so nothing else should have problems

And the stretched POST image was caused by the tv btw

[sudden creek]

Ahh okay.

[marble bough]

Not sure if you get this message. You really helped me with my build. I purchased the 17-14700 CPU

[burnt spear]

Oh I'm sorry I didn't recognize your name

One sec

I got a friend request but no dm, but happy to have helped!

Do you have it up and running?

[marble bough]

I am waiting to purchase the MB and RAM. I got the 1500W PSU, the i7-14700, and an Nvidia 4070TI Super this week. I want to test the MB and ram at the same time since the return clock starts ticking

[burnt spear]

Yeah, from what I've seen mobo and ram are the most often doa

Followed by gpus and psus

[marble bough]

You and @dull flint really gave me some good advice

Yes. I have a couple of 1200W PSUs that I know are work great, so I be able to test quickly.

[grizzled bloom]

And CPU is almost never

[marble bough]

The MB that you recommended has had a couple of DOAs, but most love it.

It is perfect for my needs, so I'm going for it.

I still have two 17-4970Ks that still show no signs of stopping

[grizzled bloom]

Check the motherboard for bulging capacitors on chips that old

The CPU is likely fine but the board often fails first

[marble bough]

I just have them sitting in anti static bags. I'm not building with them. They are only spares for my system that I currently run. @burnt spear helped me set up a system based on the i7-14700

Once I get the MB and ram ordered, then I will set up my new build.

[marble bough]

I did want to ask about the best thermal compound for current builds. Do you have any suggestions?

Noctua sent me the mount adapter for the NH-D15

[grizzled bloom]

Arctic MX-4 is usually the best for the price. The best ones are usually at least twice as expensive for maybe 2 degrees better.

[burnt spear]

Mx-4 and mx-6 are plenty

Mx-6 slightly better and normally very similarly priced, but realistically it doesn't matter

[marble bough]

right now I have Noctua NT-H1 and Corsair XTM50, but I used that on my old build with the i7-4790K. Im not sure if they will work for current builds

[burnt spear]

The cooler also comes with some, which would be fine

It wouldn't make much of a difference

[grizzled bloom]

NT-H1 is still very decent

XTM50 don't even bother

[marble bough]

Ok. Thanks. I've been out of this game for quite a while, so any help is greatly appreciated.

I still have most of the NT-H1 left.

[grizzled bloom]

As long as it's not dried out it's still good stuff

[marble bough]

Its in good shape. I just checked. The NH-D15 keeps my CPU pretty cool with it. The 4790K is running at 4.4 gHz and between 37-50 degrees C when pushed for rendering video.

Thanks

[olive totem]

can someone explain the differences between these

[dull flint]

From left to right:
One has 65W limit (can be unlocked), comes with box cooler
One is unlocked with no cooler, can be power limited to 90-ish watts with eco mode
One has the edition of a 3d vcache ccd, 105W limit, no cooler

[olive totem]

what is the vcache good for specifically on the 7900x3d

obv everyone praises the 7800x3d

[dull flint]

Same thing

All 3 game really close to each other

[olive totem]

would you recommend one out of any of those 3

if you had to choose

[dull flint]

7900 if I needed a low profile, high MT rig

7900X3D if I was specifically interested in 6 core X3D OC (5600X3D exists however)

7900X....

Kinda never?

Cheaper than 7900 maybe

[cursive epoch]

sim games is his most played games i think

like beamng and stuff

[dull flint]

Wha

Who we talking about

[cursive epoch]

gavin

[dull flint]

Sim games is x3d haven

[cursive epoch]

same one

[dull flint]

7800x3d or bust

Games like ACC explode in fps with vcache

Sim games in general

[cursive epoch]

right

the cache is used for calculations

moar maffs at a given moment

moar speeb

[olive totem]

beamng is whenver i feel like buying it

the main sim game i play rn is stormworks

[cursive epoch]

ok

i would still go with 7800x3d

[olive totem]

so then like whats the point of the 7900s

[cursive epoch]

cores

[grizzled bloom]

More cores means more can be done at once, but only in programs designed to use them

You'll notice that most of the gaming charts have the 7900X3D below the 7800X3D because the weird core layout causes extra latency

[sudden creek]

I think I am at my wits end with this PC. Gonna try DDU again cause I think the newest drivers might be what's causing the crash.

If I can't get this fixed by next week I think I am gonna try to get Amazon to refund or send me a new CPU or do you guys think this is a board issue?

I am at the point where I feel compelled to take a sledge hammer and smash this CPU into bits.

A cpu should not require this much work to make stable at stock bloody settings.

[limber dragon]

so RMA it

[sudden creek]

Gonna try disabling C-States tomorrow if that doesn't work then yeah I am returning this.

Debating on if I'd be willing to give AMD one last chance if I do end up returning this.

[scenic solar]

Bruh
A chipped edge on a cpu? Do people really drop them that often...

[distant gulch]

I wanna ask in what world does someone drop their cpu

[sudden creek]

https://tenor.com/view/linus-linus-drop-linustechtips-linusdroptips-drop-gif-24524203

[distant gulch]

Nah im coddling my gpu like a newborn

[grizzled bloom]

Linus is special. He dropped (and actually broke) a $10,000 server that was meant for someone else.

[midnight pollen]

wait which one was that

[grizzled bloom]

YouTube mobile sucks for searching channels, I'll find it later

Or you can see it in one of the many "Linus dropping things" compilations

They didn't find out it was broken until later is the best part