cpus-mobo-and-memory

[dull flint]

is it old?

[vital rampart]

i think so since it was my dads

[dull flint]

alr let's consider it with a new psu then

no point risking it

not a lot of good options for white in this price class but I'm trying

[vital rampart]

damn am5 motherboards are expensive

[dull flint]

I think I will end up with something way better if I ignored the colour ngl

[vital rampart]

does it really need to have a new psu i mean this one is still doing fine

[dull flint]

if you can tell me what it is then I could say whether it's worth keeping

some psu's are great, some are literally explosive and will take all hardware with it/cause a house fire

without knowing what it is I can only assume the worst case like if it was a thermaltake white or something equally bad

0 protections, completely explodes at excess

[vital rampart]

well i think mine is on the better side since it is still doing fine rn after years

[dull flint]

like I said I can't really say with those parts

if you have a power spike then a good psu would protect you from it

similarly if there's a short

I only suggested a $50 one, it can't be that bad for a 750 budget

[vital rampart]

i never had nether a power spike or short with my psu

[dull flint]

*yet

[vital rampart]

yeah

[dull flint]

never say never

and you have parts that only use some 130W of a total 650

with peaks up to maybe 200

[grizzled bloom]

It's better to have the modern protections and not need it than to need it and not have it

[dull flint]

you are not pushing this psu

like I said, if you can tell me the exact model, I could tell you if it's a keeper or a literal improvised explosive

otherwise I'd assume the worst

[grizzled bloom]

If the power supply is as old as the CPU that's a safe assumption. A 3080 would pop an older unit like a tomato.

[dull flint]

best case scenario I'd suggest is this

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xgwpFs

which compared to my following list

is like a 30%-ish improvement in fps

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JyfGVW

this is as best as I could find for all white at this price

actually

this is marginally better

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Wjy9yg

even then still gross

this would be ideal rn

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wWDKkJ

this last one

assuming the psu bad

would be best

it'd look the best in the case and would run basically anything 1080p capped out

tho the 1st of the 4 would handily do 1440p

the 4th one is like, 15%?-ish? off of the first one

the 2nd and 3rd should be a clear 30% slower or more

[vital rampart]

ok i will look in these

my friend said the ryzen 7 5800x is much better than the i5 12400f is that correct?

[dull flint]

not when the 12400f has ddr5

ddr5 is a good 15% jump in performance

5800x also needs a beefy as hell cooler

not worth it

[grizzled bloom]

That's more like 5-10% on the 12400, it's 15% on the 12600k/13400+

[dull flint]

5700x exists, and at that point you'd may as well, again get 7600

ryzen 7600 is just a better 5800x

especially when we talk, buying a new motherboard and ram

you get longer lasting ram, longer lasting motherboard

that takes future upgrades

5800x is on a dead end platform with legacy ram

[vital rampart]

ok but will the i5 12400f by pure perforence also perform better?

[dull flint]

however if we factor in gaming performance here, investing in am5 just isn't worth it at your price bracket

yes

9 times of 10 yes

it'll never be perfect for many reasons, 8 core games being one, amd favourited titles another

similarly, intel favourited titles will never lose either

[vital rampart]

i mainly play fortnite cs2 and some other story games

[dull flint]

just is how it is with computers

fortnite and cs2 would run with 0 issues on this system

fortnite you'd be looking at like, way over 350 fps in performance mode

[vital rampart]

ok

[dull flint]

CS2 like cs:go runs on a toaster, albeit an upgraded toaster, a toaster nonetheless

you'd have no issue running really high settings on a 6700xt

I have a friend who dailies one at 1080p

[vital rampart]

ik the 6700xt is better than 4060 but the thing is 4060 has a white version.... and most of the games i play favour nvidia and i like the software more so i am prob gonna get that

[dull flint]

software between the two is the same now

if you said to me you were doing workstation tasks, I'd be swayed a bit more to nvidia

but games wise you'd taking a pretty big loss there going 4060

[vital rampart]

does amd now have the digital vibrance option

[grizzled bloom]

Nvidia control panel hasn't been updated since 2003

[dull flint]

why do you need this

[vital rampart]

i like the colors alot better without it it looks to gray for me

[dull flint]

yes it does

amd has it

you may not even need it anymore with a better monitor tho

[vital rampart]

oh nice but it doesnt have a white version tho and i am to scared to paint it myself

[dull flint]

not at a reasonable price no

white colours always have a tax

it's just a thing companies like to do

[vital rampart]

racismt

[dull flint]

costs nothing extra

but they still charge it anyway

gets worse at the higher end

what may be like, a tenner or so on the low end

can be hundreds on the high end

[grizzled bloom]

Technically it does cost them extra because white doesn't sell as well as black, so it's cheaper to mass produce black than it is to produce white. Economy of scale and all that.
But it doesn't cost them nearly as much as it costs us extra.

[dull flint]

it's pennies

[grizzled bloom]

10 cents multiplied by 1,000 GPUs is $100 they have to pay extra, so naturally every single person that buys a white GPU has to cover that extra $100.

[dull flint]

cos math

the accountants in the board room:

[raven mantle]

so i just installed new ram

and it boots up normally but if i try to enable xmp it doesnt boot up anymore

[burnt spear]

What cpu, mobo, and ram

And what slots are the ram in, 1 and 3 or 2 and 4, if you have a 4 slot board

[raven mantle]

2600x , b450 , Ripjaws V 3600mhz 2 kits of 2x8

i have all 4 slots taken up

[burnt spear]

Ah 2600x won't handle 3600mhz

Especially all 4 sticks

Try enabling xmp but setting it to 3000mhz

[raven mantle]

right i uh bought a 5600

do i ner a usb flash drive to updtae the bios?

need*

[burnt spear]

Yes

There's a tutorial on your mobo manufacturers website

[raven mantle]

but after i install the 5600 would it be able run the 3600mhz

or 3333mhz

[grizzled bloom]

5600 can probably do 3600 on 4 sticks. My 5800X does.

[burnt spear]

Likely yeah

[dull flint]

When did you buy the second kit

[raven mantle]

a week ago

[cursive epoch]

5600 probably can run 3600 on 4 sticks

[dull flint]

could also be mixed chips

nay I'd say that's the bigger reason it couldn't do it tbh

[raven mantle]

pc works now th ram is set to liek 2400 mhz thhough

[dull flint]

yes cos it's running a jedec spec

[raven mantle]

what is that

[dull flint]

basically the name for "stock"

parameters given to ram to define a minimum spec to run at

even if you buy exactly the same ram, there's very little guarantee that what's underneath is the same

as companies change suppliers a lot

unless you buy 4 sticks all at once there is always a chance of mixing sticks

I could confirm this if you take out all 4 sticks and send a pic of the stickers on the back of them

normally if you want 32gb you should just get a 2x16 kit and sell your old 2x8, it removes any chance of poor compatibility from 2 different manufacturers/dies

it works out cheaper that way overall as well by a fair bit

[raven mantle]

i see

[dull flint]

hey I could be wrong

wouldn't know until you sent the sticks in question

it's worth checking this anyway as you could very well end up buying a new cpu and you have the same issue

[sudden creek]

Is there any benefit in leaving the iGPU on my 7950x3D on for work apps like with Intel?

[dull flint]

Nothing like quick sync no

[sudden creek]

Using mostly Blender and Adobe PS, AE

[dull flint]

Mine is disabled

Tho I'm considering enabling it again for a usb monitor

[sudden creek]

Gotcha.

[forest grove]

Just put together a new build using the ASROCK z790 nova wifi motherboard. I am running the gskill 48gb x 2 memory kit that is 6400mhz. I cannot get the memory to run above 3600 even if i set the dram speed in the bios. Anyone have any ideas?

[dull flint]

96gb?

[forest grove]

yes

[dull flint]

What's ur cpu

[forest grove]

14900k

[dull flint]

What slots are they in

[forest grove]

1 and 3

[dull flint]

Do 2 and 4

2 and 4 is where they should be

[forest grove]

okay will try it and report back.

also before i shut it down

[dull flint]

Mhm

[forest grove]

the board takes FOREVER to boot, even with Ultra Fast Boot enabled in the bios. Any idea what else I can try to change? Makes no difference if ultra fast boot is enabled or disabled. It's like it's going through a self check before starting to post

[dull flint]

96gb do be a long time to reach post

Normal

Once it trains properly it shouldn't do it every time

[forest grove]

okay, good to know, thanks

[sudden creek]

I know your pain. I run 2x32.

As you boot (using same speed/timings) it will overtime boot a bit faster.

[dull flint]

AMD different

It has long post for tuning

And if you leave memory context restore on then yes it boots faster once you don't touch it

[sudden creek]

Ahh okay.

[dull flint]

Should really have that off for ram tuning tho

Can lead to inconsistent training

[sudden creek]

I will double check but I think I have it off.

[forest grove]

It is now running at 6400mhz in slot 2 and slot 4,

now just 1 issue with the NZXT CAM software

my RGB & Fan Controller V2 shows I have three fans connected

Fan connector 1
Fan connector 2
Fan connector 3

all three fans are physically running/spinning

but in the NZXT CAM software it shows

fan connect 1 - 0 rpm
fan connect 2 - 0 rpm
fan connect 3 - 872 rpm

[long geyser]

Doesnt even need to be a complete QSV specific thing tbh. Idk if you need it, but to give an example of what I mean, Adobe Premiere works best with QSV as decode and NVENC as encode (or vice versa, cant reallly remember). I think AE can be the same, but Im not sure.

[sudden creek]

So I should leave my iGPU on?

[sudden creek]

that's finnicky.

[long geyser]

AE seems to be the only thing you use that might benefit from it. Worth checking if you can set separate encode/decode devices and benchmark it. On premiere it was like 18% faster doing multiple devices for encode/decode.

[sudden creek]

Gotcha, thanks for the heads up.

[plain vortex]

Hello, I just upgraded my ram to 32gb (2x16gb cas16 3600mhz) and have docp set up in bios which appears as the correct timings on my kit like in this screenshot.

but when I see on the memory tab it has higher timings..

Is this normal, or do I have something set up incorrectly?

I have a r5 5600x that I'll probably replace with a 5700x3d when that comes out on a asus Strix B550-F wifi

[cursive epoch]

it's normal

1799x2 is 3598

so 3600

[plain vortex]

Im sorry, I meant the cas latency

[cursive epoch]

ah

well it looks fine

just a 3600c18 kit

[plain vortex]

shouldn't it be like this?

[plain vortex]

its a cas 16 kit

[cursive epoch]

xmp is like that

it depends on bios

auto timings

some boards has particularly trash xmp

[plain vortex]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zcH8TW/gskill-ripjaws-v-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-32gvkc

This is my kit

[plain vortex]

Hmm, should I be able to manually apply the correct cas timings?

[cursive epoch]

yeah

but watch for voltage

[plain vortex]

Let me jump on the UEFI

[plain vortex]

This is how it's currently set up

[cursive epoch]

i would turn off xmp and set to manual

[plain vortex]

Okay, what should I change now?

[cursive epoch]

you should probably go to advanced tab

[plain vortex]

Found this a bit lower down

Is this what I'm looking for?

[plain vortex]

Should I just add 16-19-19-39 to the first 4 values?

[cursive epoch]

yeah

you can try

[plain vortex]

Both? Or just one of them?

They have 2 lanes

[cursive epoch]

wait, follow the ones from cpu-z

[plain vortex]

Which ones should I follow?

There's 4 different sets

The 1801 right?

[cursive epoch]

i honestly have no clue rn

leave xmp on for now, head to #overclocking and ask the more knowledgeable peeps

[plain vortex]

Ah okay, so I shouldn't boot it like this right? Lol

[cursive epoch]

yep

you might mess it up

[plain vortex]

Will jump over OC thanks

[analog dune]

Anyone know a good set of 32gb of ram 3600 ? I was looking at the Corsair vengeance and the G skill tridentz

[dull flint]

What ram have you got rn

[analog dune]

ballistix 16gb 3600 2 stick

[dull flint]

@analog dune cpu?

[analog dune]

Ryzen 7 3700x

[dull flint]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KV4BD3/oloy-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-md4u1636181chkda

[analog dune]

Thanks I’ll look into it

[polar moth]

Opinions on T-force vulcan 32gb set

I'm helping my cousin get the few parts needed to complete the build

[cerulean wadi]

That's plenty adequate. Might be some slightly better deals around even.

[polar moth]

In other words

Good enough

[burnt spear]

What do they have alr?

And here grab this, $5 cheaper for same thing
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/B8QcCJ/silicon-power-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp032gxlzu320bdaj7

[polar moth]

Thanks so much

[polar moth]

I donated my leftover pc components to them

So uh off my head

I5-10400

3060ti or rtx 2060 ko (evga)
Thermal lake I forgot how much watts it is

Asus tuf b560M plus

[burnt spear]

Check the model of that psu

If its the Thermaltake smart it's known for catching fire and or killing systems

So needs case, ssd, and ram?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3xtvN6

Imo

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/x4hv6h/thermaltake-toughpower-gf1-tt-premium-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ps-tpd-0750fnfagu-p if it is the Thermaltake smart white, I'd do either this or apevia Prestige 600w for $52

[polar moth]

The issue is they’re in another country Guatemala

I’ll get a exact psu name when my cousin sends me the info

[burnt spear]

Ahh alr

[burnt spear]

Very much would replace asap

That psu is known for killing pcs

[grizzled bloom]

That might be the C tier one

[burnt spear]

Wait actually yeah

It's gold

[burnt spear]

The bad one is white only I think

One sec imma check

[polar moth]

You wanna see what old psu they were using

This is shady as heck

[burnt spear]

Idt it's on the tier list

It doesnt have any other letters/numbers anywhere, like bm2, gx1, anything like that?

It's at least not the fire hazard one, I think it's fine, but psus tend to not be something you want to be uncertain on

[polar moth]

Top left part number and model number on the label

The gold 80 psu at least comforts

[burnt spear]

Well the rating doesn't really mean much

There's gold rated psus that are known for catching fire, like the pgm

Just the Thermaltake smart white is the one widely known for killing pcs, so it not being white separates it from the fire hazard

But it could still be bad, I'm trying to find out

It just isn't on the tier list, from what I can tell. I'm on mobile so I can't really search it easily

[polar moth]

Well crap

[burnt spear]

I found it

It's c tier

[polar moth]

And it’s strongly suggested to replace this one?

[grizzled bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/gigabyte-psu-explodes-gamers-nexus-power-supply-gif-23202345

[burnt spear]

Yeah the one you sent him is good

Well

Not good, but its much better than that other one

C tier is ok, fine for a 2060 or 3060 ti

[grizzled bloom]

This was a gold rated unit, literal exploods under load

[polar moth]

Is that seasonic

[burnt spear]

Gigglebyte

Pgm

[polar moth]

Damn

[burnt spear]

As for the other parts he needs

It might be cheaper to find a case locally than to ship one from the US

Just smthn with a mesh front that will fit everything

If its not much cheaper than shipping the g300a then the g300a is pretty nice

It might also be cheaper to ship a smaller case, lmk if you want some links

[polar moth]

Many thanks

Will do

Might happen next year when there will be big box to put things together and send to them down there

[ruby basin]

Cant enable xmp for my new ddr5 6000mhz which is not cool. Help plz
Edit: it works without it

Msi B660m
I7 12700f

[vast meadow]

Is your ram in slots 2 and 4 if you count from left to right

[ruby basin]

yeh

[vast meadow]

Try clear cmos and re enable xmp

[limber dragon]

also make sure they're in 100% of the way, I've seen marginally plugged in sticks work at jedec, but not xmp

[ancient vault]

Is 32gb really necessary or even beneficial for a gaming laptop? This isn't really a question for me, I'm asking on behalf of a friend. He's comparing 2 laptops atm, both have the same 17-13650HX CPU, but one has an RTX 4050 with 32gb of RAM and the other has a 4060 (not Ti) with 16gb of RAM

He mainly plays MMOs (FFXIV & WoW mainly) but plays other stuff too.

Also both laptops have DDR5 RAM but I couldn't find the speed listed on one of them

[grizzled bloom]

The GPU will be more beneficial than extra RAM, but there are some games that will have problems running on 16GB. None of those esports type games or mmo though

[burnt spear]

^^ very much seconded, though which model laptops?

Some models, specifically all of MSIs lineup (and some others) have very low wattage gpus

So their 4060 is barely better than some 4050s

[ancient vault]

One that he found was this Lenovo that I was kinda iffy on, but it's on sale at the store he's at for $1300

https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/lenovo/lenovo_slim_series/lenovo-slim-pro-9i-gen-8-(14-inch-intel)/83bv0002us

I immediately thought he could probably find a better deal than that online and the 4050 is pretty meh, so I did a quick and dirty search and found this

https://a.co/d/fvcHfCr

Both end up at basically the same price.

[burnt spear]

1300 for either a 4050 or 4060 laptop is kinda dismal

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-rog-zephyrus-g14-14165hz-gaming-laptop-qhd-amd-ryzen-9-7940hs-with-16gb-ddr5-memory-nvidia-rtx-4070-8g-gddr6-1tb-ssd-moonlight-white/6535498.p?skuId=6535498

[ancient vault]

That's what I was thinking but I haven't looked at gaming laptops in 5yrs

[burnt spear]

Ima link a few more

[ancient vault]

Oh that looks WAY better

[grizzled bloom]

That link tho

https://www.amazon.com/Eluktronics-RP-15-Octa-Core-GeForce-Keyboard/dp/B0CGW3W9WN

[burnt spear]

Yeah sorry

[grizzled bloom]

FIFY

[ancient vault]

Amazon links are so beautiful

[grizzled bloom]

lol

[burnt spear]

And for 4060 https://www.ebay.com/itm/126112806945?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=VbCS6q0NQ6a&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[ancient vault]

Ok thank you! I just finished looking at all of those and sent them to him. That Asus one is crazy nice, and that Lenovo one is an insane deal

Ok he's going for the best buy one with the 4070 lol (I would too)

Thanks for the help, yall rock

[burnt spear]

Mobile 4070 isn't a huge amount better than mobile 4060, value wise the one on ebay is best

But they're all good deals

[ancient vault]

I'll let him know that

Between those two, are either CPU notably stronger than the other? I've never heard of either of those specific models

[burnt spear]

if just gaming, the cpu won't matter too much with these gpus

[ancient vault]

The main games he plays are pretty CPU intensive (MMOs with large player instances) so it's def a factor

[burnt spear]

if hes doing workstation tasks, the 7940hs will be very useful

ahh alr, I'd look up some comparisons in those games between those cpus

[ancient vault]

Ok I'll give that a try

[burnt spear]

that's one of the few cases in games multi core might be a factor

[grizzled bloom]

In my experience, MMOs don't use more than 2 cores. Most of the processing is done server side, so it's usually one thread for rendering and one for audio etc.

[burnt spear]

ahh alr

[tawny frigate]

I keep having wifi trouble on my new rig. All other devices on the network work fine. I either get stuck on connecting, can’t connect to this network, or sometimes stay connected but speed slows to a crawl.

I’ve tried resetting dns stuff in command prompt, updating mobo, disabling/enabling network adapter…

If I restart my PC, it works fine for 30 minutes or so before I have issues

[tawny frigate]

I still get errors when trying to connect to different networks as well.

Not sure what else to try

I feel like it’s my Mobo

And please don’t roast me about wifi on high end gaming pc, making do in Airbnb lol

[grizzled bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-geez-rick-and-morty-morty-this-is-awkward-awkward-gif-854154463001829369

That's really poor connection strength to the one you're trying to connect to

[tawny frigate]

It’s normally full bars, just part of the bug I think

[frosty depot]

2 of the major MMOs use at least 4 cores and sometimes up to 6. That being said, it only maxes out 1 core, but 4+ cores is def preferred for a good experience.

Idk about other MMOs as I only play WoW and FF14

[frosty depot]

Have you installed the WiFi drivers for your new PC?

[tawny frigate]

Yea, I was actually using wifi without issues since I built the PC in October. It’s only the last week or so that I’ve been experiencing any connectivity issues.

[frosty depot]

How long have you been using that network?

[tawny frigate]

About 10 days

I use my work laptop 9-5 on the same network, same physical location. No issues

[frosty depot]

But the PC has never worked fine on it in that 10 days?

[tawny frigate]

I’ve had spotty connectivity here and there but it’s gotten progressively worse

[frosty depot]

Reposition your PC attenae

[tawny frigate]

From slow speeds to not being able to connect at all

I’ve tried that

There’s two

I went and grabbed a 50ft Ethernet cable. That works

Might have to buy a usb wifi thing for the times I need wifi

Don’t really wanna swap out my mobo lol

[frosty depot]

Have you tried disconnecting the antennae and reconnecting them? Is there possibly a USB dongle plugged in that could be interfering? I know that when I had my razor mouse dongle plugged into the back of my PC it would mess with my connectivity so bad. Once I move it to the front panel, all my issues went away.

[tawny frigate]

I’ll try detaching and reattaching antennas.

No dongles.

[brisk inlet]

My bluetooth option just completely dissapeared, I just updated my Bios recently, Ive already tried reinstalling intel bluetooth drivers, and restarting the bluetooth service. Also, in device manager there isnt an option for bluetooth even after device manager

[glossy wave]

Overview
Operating system: Microsoft Windows 11 Home
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-5820K CPU @ 3.30GHz 6/12
Motherboard: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. X99-DELUXE
RAM: Ballistix Sport DDR4 2400 C16 4x4GB 16 GB
Hard disk1: Generic MassStorageClass USB Device (238.3 GB/Removable Media)
Hard disk2: PNY CS2140 500GB SSD (465.8 GB/Fixed hard disk media)
Graphics card1: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 (4 GB)

[amber canopy]

i approve of the platform

[glossy wave]

I want to maximize performance with this build, can anyone let me know what to upgrade

[amber canopy]

are you 100% against buying a new motherboard and CPU? @glossy wave

and cooler probably

[glossy wave]

I dont need a new cooler

umm, well honestly Im looking to really just budget upgrade, wondering if there are any deals going around

Memory/Graphics card/ cpu

Those 3 i can change n/p

[glad meteor]

Hi

Please let me know if the ASUS Pro WS WRX80E-SAGE SE WIFI II AMD WRX80 Ryzen Threadripper PRO extended-ATX will fit in Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2 Server Edition ?

[dull flint]

E-atx should fit yes

I'm pretty sure that case will fit anything

[glad meteor]

This RAM Samsung M393A8G40AB2-CWE 64GB DDR4-3200 PC4-25600 is comaptible with the ASUS Pro WS WRX80E-SAGE SE WIFI II AMD WRX80 Ryzen Threadripper PRO and AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 5955WX ?

[dull flint]

Ok we don't need to type all the names out lol

I'll look rq

Yep

As long as it's ddr4 it should work

[tender sleet]

A WRX80E user in the wild?

[dull flint]

Regular dimm, rdimm and Lrdimm

All supposed to work

[tender sleet]

That's
Basically unheard of

Mad respect

[glad meteor]

Ok, thanks!

[dull flint]

Np, these things are found on the specifications section on the motherboard website

[dull flint]

https://www.techspot.com/news/101569-intel-backporting-frame-boosting-tech-select-past-generation.html?fbclid=IwAR3ko7Qb8WzBlC_DNH998rWpuZMaiGMpqwky63w3nRUeoiErtPhq0QYN6Js

Finally some discrepancy disclosed for APO here

So it's not quite the same as process lasso, in that it "disables" e cores

But very much similar in that it allocates games exclusively to p cores

[glossy wave]

Overview
Operating system: Microsoft Windows 11 Home
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-5820K CPU @ 3.30GHz 6/12
Motherboard: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. X99-DELUXE
RAM: Ballistix Sport DDR4 2400 C16 4x4GB 16 GB
Hard disk1: PNY CS2140 500GB SSD (465.8 GB/Fixed hard disk media)
Graphics card1: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 (4 GB)

Anyone reccomend budget upgrades?

[grizzled bloom]

Interesting choice of words, "backported" which implies it wasn't designed to run on older gens. Even though 14th is just 13th with a new coat of paint.

[grizzled bloom]

What kind of budget?

And what games do you play?

I'm guessing 1080p

[amber canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/aizen-drinking-sip-drink-bleach-gif-2243382899312612755

[split copper]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-shaking-my-head-shake-head-smh-disappointed-gif-22424604

[amber canopy]

[sudden creek]

Have a odd question, does a cpu like my 7950x3D work well for game servers like heavily modded ARK or Minecraft ones cause of all the entities?

[split copper]

It's gotta be plenty for Minecraft at least lol

[grizzled bloom]

It would make a great home server CPU. I'd recommend using process lasso to bind the server threads to the standard (non 3D) cores.

[sudden creek]

Gotcha, and reuse the X3D for the minecraft servers? Wondering cause I will likely upgrade once 8000x3D is released

[grizzled bloom]

8000X3D isn't in the plans so far as we know.

The 3D cores are mostly just good for gaming, so save those for your games. The game servers usually prefer the higher clocked regular cores.

[long geyser]

For MC, get them forge/fabric optimization mods. Helps a lot.

Do note that most modpacks, such as AllTheMods, rarely include all the good optimization mods.
Consider looking at this list for mods to get. Worth looking at both the fabric and forge listings cuz some listings are missing. For example in the 1.20 list there is a listing for Fabric ServerCore but no Forge ServerCore despite the fact it exists. Or another example, Forge ports of Fabric optimization mods such as Canary which is a Forge port of Fabric Lithium. For newer versions of MC, you mainly want to use the Fabric list as reference and try to find if there are Forge counterparts (if running a Forge server, run a Fabric one if possible as it's more ideal).
https://github.com/TheUsefulLists/UsefulMods

[sudden creek]

Aight thanks.

[sudden creek]

If I use Project Lasso to bind cores does it force other apps not to use for cores? Just curious. I am thinking of using two cords to setup a Windows MC server on my PC for me and my friends to play on.

[grizzled bloom]

No process lasso just makes the programs you choose use the cores you tell it to use. It doesn't lock the cores from other programs.

[sudden creek]

Ahh gotcha.

So if I am doing work I don't need to worry about it not being able to use all cores unless I set it to only use certain ones?

[grizzled bloom]

Right

[dull flint]

You bind programs to cores with it

Tho I've found more or less on 7950X3D that you don't really need it I think, save for maybe the odd game I haven't encountered yet

Current intel definitely benefits from it tho

[sudden creek]

Agreed, I just wanna know how so I can bind a MC server or two to certain cores.

Games typically don't use more then like 4 cores tops right? Wondering cause I will probably bind two X3D cores for a server assuming that's doable so it doesn't affect my work apps as much.

[dull flint]

6 to 8 is ideal

[sudden creek]

I see.

[vast meadow]

Games usually use about 2-6 ye, servers... Not so much

Depends how many ppl you want on the server but you're easily looking at 6+ cores depending on the size of the server the more the more users you can handle

Also i don't think x3d helps Minecraft servers but i may be wrong

[sudden creek]

I found out apparently MC servers use at most 2-3 cores and that Ark the other game I was considering having running in the background can realistically only use one...

[hard leaf]

yeah game servers only use 1-2 cores most of the time

[glossy wave]

@grizzled bloomHonestly Im thinking all I need is a video card.

I would like to get one with like all the goodies like raytracing ETC.

[grizzled bloom]

Ray tracing is over-hyped. I rarely enable it even though I have a 3080 ti. It's just poorly executed in most games, and the ones it isn't you need a 4090 and top tier CPU to run it with path tracing.

"Oh look, that shiny object is slightly shinier, wow that totally changed things!"

[grizzled bloom]

It doesn't, you're correct. He wants it on the X3D cores because he's also using the CPU for work, so leaving the non-3D CCD available is a better option.

[vast meadow]

Ah fair enough

[sudden creek]

I am very concerned. Last day or so my PC has been rebooting itself a few times a day. I've reset my pc back to stock settings by clearing cmos then enabling XMP and it's still happening.

[sudden creek]

Lowered settings back to XMP then upped voltage a bit over XMP and so far no more crashes. Could I be experiencing degration?

[devout kelp]

Is having 91% usage of ram memory normal to have while playing valorant and watching yt on chrome?

[burnt spear]

How much ram do you have

16gb you shouldn't see that high ram usage, you prolly have bloatware/background tasks running if so

32gb something is wrong

[devout kelp]

16 gb

[burnt spear]

It is fairly cheap to upgrade to 32gb though, and beneficial at times

[devout kelp]

hmmm

should I upgrade to 32gb or just get better 16gb?

i don't remember the detail but the xmp timing for my ram is like 16-19-19

which is one of the worse ones?

[burnt spear]

32gb any day of the week, getting better ddr4 is kinda silly atp

[burnt spear]

Nah

Is it 3200mhz or 3600mhz

And what cpu do you have

[devout kelp]

3600

5900x

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KV4BD3/oloy-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-md4u1636181chkda

Otherwise buy used

[devout kelp]

oh wow thats quite cheap

[burnt spear]

Or get a second 16gb kit of the exact ram you have

But depends on pricing

[devout kelp]

I have the gskill ones

lemme send u the link hol'up

[burnt spear]

There's a good few g.skill ones

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jBZzK8/gskill-ripjaws-v-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-16gvkc ?

[devout kelp]

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820374195?Item=N82E16820374195

it was one of these but with worse ram timings

[burnt spear]

Yeah just replace

[devout kelp]

fs

thx much 🙂

[gusty oar]

Can anyone tell me the consequences of the following:

I am installing ram on my MEG Z690 Unify Board and it has 4 ram slots with dual channel. It says i need to fill slot 2 and 4 first. When i do this it will not boot and gives me a memory LED readout error. So i moved them to slot 1 and 3 and it boots fine but comes up with a warning that I need to move them to a new slot.

Is the performance loss enough to warrant an RMA and a teardown of the whole system to replace or would it be minimal?

[grizzled bloom]

Try with only one stick in either slot 2 or slot 4 and see if it boots. Then try the other slot with the same stick. That'll help you narrow down whether it's the stick or the slot.

[burnt spear]

What fal said, and if it is faulty yeah. Wrong slots means you won't even be able to run xmp, at least from what I've experienced.

[grizzled bloom]

Generally yeah I've had the same experience

I might be able to run 4400 in slots 2 and 4 but only 3600 in slots 1 and 3

Very few exceptions exist, and those would be T-topology boards. Most are daisy chain and electrically speaking the end of the chain is the most reliable.

[gusty oar]

I did try single sticks in both 2 and 4 and the same sticks work in slot 1 and 3. So looks like im doing an RMA cause until you mentioned not being able to XMP i totally forgot i got that error along with the move slots message

Brings me great sadness cause it was looking good 😦

[burnt spear]

Sorry to hear man. What mobo was it again?

There might be some other options around the same price that'd get to you faster than returning/rmaing

[gusty oar]

MSI MEG Z690 Unify

[burnt spear]

How much did it cost?

[gusty oar]

$250 ish

[burnt spear]

Ah alr, few min

[gusty oar]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09KKRSG89?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details

and my Ram is 32 GB DDR5 6000mhz

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/T2H7YJ/gigabyte-z790-aorus-elite-ax-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z790-aorus-elite-ax
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8ncG3C/gigabyte-z790-ud-ac-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z790-ud-ac
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mYnypg/gigabyte-z790-gaming-x-ax-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z790-gaming-x-ax
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/HP9wrH/asrock-z790-riptide-wifi-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z790-riptide-wifi
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nYfxFT/msi-z790-gaming-plus-wifi-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z790-gaming-plus-wifi

Sorry link spam, but all good options

Also better motherboards

Z790 can ram tune a LOT better than z690, and overall tend to be built a little bit better

My choice among those would be riptide wifi or gaming elite ax

And if you're not cpu ocing or planning to use 3+ m.2s there's also a lot of good b760 options

Tomahawk wifi, gaming x ax, steel legend wifi, pro rs, pg riptide

[gusty oar]

okay that helps cause Z790 is the most current chipset for 1700 right

[vast meadow]

Ye

[dull flint]

Painful. Sounds like a dead slot. Also yeah the other suggestions bacca had there would be better, unless you're looking for manual memory overclocking

[gusty oar]

Honestly i have not done any overclocking havent felt confident enough to try it but i might start

[dull flint]

Or look for a used z690 unify x instead

The vanilla unify is just meh

But the X with the 2 slots is great

If you're vying for that aesthetic you could flip the non-x one after rma and get a used x

Having used it myself it's a really good board for daily

I would honestly say the z690 u-x is comparable to a lot of current gen mobos

It didn't age perfectly but did very well for itself

[gusty oar]

I think im gonna go with the MSI Z790 GAMING PLUS WIFI

i tend to like MSI had them on my last build for 13+ years

[dull flint]

Nothing wrong with that

My only little grip with msi is they have slow fan ramping in the bios, but otherwise it's good ye

[burnt spear]

I just dislike the bios layout

Genuinely I liked asrock bios better

[dull flint]

I feel ya

[gusty oar]

Asrock is ASUS budget brand right

[dull flint]

Although considering how often I'd use it? Not a big deal for me

[dull flint]

Was

Nowadays not really

Still mostly budget but they do it quite well

Arguably better than asus in a lot of situations

[burnt spear]

Like felix said not really, asus honestly has fallen off as of late

There's no reason for the premium to their gpus, mobos, psus, cases, coolers, pretty much anything

They rarely have well priced psus, once in a blue moon a sale will pop up and something will be decent priced

[dull flint]

There's like, a handful of things that pop up here and there

[burnt spear]

They have some solid laptops

[dull flint]

Like the asus prime 750w

The ap201 case

Their laptops yeah

Zephyrus especially

[burnt spear]

But generally I would stay away from asus. Not necessarily quality, theyre just terrible value. Other companies have caught up in terms of quality, all asus has going for them is their name

[limber dragon]

and the LM that dries up in a year and you need to re-LM it or suffer from thermal throttling with 100% fan speed

[dull flint]

If you get an LM one yes

[shy knoll]

Didn' I see one of you say that Asrock's Lightning Gaming™️ usb ports are just usb 2.0?

[grizzled bloom]

Depends on the motherboard, but those kinds of ports are typically designed for the mouse and keyboard which don't need more than USB 2.0, plus that has the best latency.

[cerulean wadi]

Yay, marketing. 2.0 "Lightning".

[dull flint]

Love how it's Lightning gaming™️ and not Lightning™️

Cos one's almost an intel patent breach

[shy knoll]

Oh hold on, the specs list those as usb 3.2 gen 1

- 4 x USB 3.2 Gen1 Type-A Ports (USB32_56 are Lightning Gaming Ports.)```

[dull flint]

They're just usb lol

[tender sleet]

I believe it's some software optimization thing to make sure those USB ports get priority on data transfers (IIRC)

[shy knoll]

Yes, but is it USB 2.0 or USB 3.x?

[cursive epoch]

3.0

3.2 gen 1 means it's 3.0

confusing usb naming

[restive thicket]

Shot in the dark but anyone here that is a user of EVGA Z690 or X570 motherboards? I want to know if their Z690 and x570 boards come with a Wifi AX (Wifi 6E) module from the factory.

[burnt spear]

I've got a z690

And it depends on the exact board

Some do and some don't

Some come with wifi but older than 6e

Why are you asking?

[cursive epoch]

if you're buying x570 rn, i wouldn't recommend it

since am5 is a better platform

[restive thicket]

Well because I am doing a "his and hers" setup.... already have a x570 dark and about to get my hands on a z690 dark for the other setup. And since new home, new hardware, and likely new(ish) networking equipment I wanted to know if I had to make a plan to get wifi module upgrades so that the Wifi 6e mesh networking hardware can be fully leveraged

[cursive epoch]

i believe all dark boards have wifi tho

[restive thicket]

My brother is a bit of an EVGA enjoyer... not full on Fanatic but he does like and trust the brandname and has some nostalga to it.

[burnt spear]

I mean brand is kinda irrelevant but I kind of understand? Evga products just aren't well priced most of the time recently

[cursive epoch]

yep it has wifi 6e/bt 5.2

[restive thicket]

Yeah I know. But my brother was kinda jealous when I got a Z690 Kingpin board for my dad's Watercooled borg cube build. So at least he'll get the same motherboard I got for his dad to make up for that.

[burnt spear]

So evga dark?

[restive thicket]

Yeah... I only ever bought the Darks

I have a factory sealed x570 Dark right now that is going in his wife's future pc.

[burnt spear]

Only other evga products I can think of that are decent are evga CLC and some of their psus

And obviously gpus but non current gen

And clc needs new fans, comes with loud ass ones

[grizzled bloom]

CLC is good but loud, I don't normally recommend unless it's on a steep sale and you replace the fans

[burnt spear]

^^

As a clc owner, holy ******* the fans are loud

I had to replace them with p14s

[grizzled bloom]

Remember when it was $60 for the 360mm? Good times, even after buying a few P12 fans you still end up cheaper than most 240mm

[burnt spear]

Yeah I got my 280 for $60

At the time cheapest aio around that was worth it

[dull flint]

If you're going for z690 I'd take the chance on z790, a fair bit better for memory oc from what I know

Since that's the core of the dark's purpose

Figured it's worth mentioning lol

[restive thicket]

What about the CLCx with the RGB ring ones?

[burnt spear]

Meh

Pricing is almost always ass

$60 thermalright aqua elite v3 is better

[sudden creek]

If everything is running stock (XMP) and I still experience crashes now and then completely randomly is it safe to assume my windows likely got corrupted during the period where I was overclocking?

Symptoms right before crashing are:

• Audio still playing
• Screen frozen
• Sudden restart

[sudden creek]

Weird, now I am confused. Looked online and it seems I am not the only one experiencing hard crashes with Curseforge.

Gonna try running my pc without using curseforge for a few days at stock settings to see if any crashs occur.

[scenic solar]

I dont understand if this is just missing the plastic housing for the cpu or the pins too, can it be repaired? Or is it at least worth it

[dull flint]

What in the world

[cursive epoch]

that's

yikes

[scenic solar]

But do you think the pins have been... obliterated? Destroyed? Eliminated?

Cuz to me it seems like just the bottom contacts

[cursive epoch]

yeah

they're just

gone

non existent

[dull flint]

It's so blurry I can't even tell

it's a red flag either way

[scenic solar]

Not even worth the 40 bucks, im already getting some much cheaper lga 1151 to repair

*try to repair

Got a 4€ asrock h310 to test

[scenic solar]

https://youtu.be/Tal1Isw-HUQ?si=gwbvBR5UoV6csQJC
Nwr did a socket replacement but it's quite complicated if you don't have the adequate tools, and that's my case

Is this more likely to be repaired by just bending the pins back?

[dull flint]

Hard mode

[scenic solar]

Why?

Never had this problem on a socket so im not sure how hard it is to get them back right

[dull flint]

Bending back a pin itself isn't the hard part

It's bending it back while avoiding bending others

And there's no guarantee it doesn't snap either

It's soft gold foil after all

[scenic solar]

Ok, ill try my best (since i just bought it for 20€), do you recommend anything to bend them other instead of a toothpick?

[scenic solar]

Found another, z270e gaming wifi, bent pins. Worth 20 bucks?

[scenic solar]

@dull flint

[dull flint]

Depends on how many and where on the board they are

[cyan raft]

The pins are part of the plastic that’s just soldered onto those pads

It’s a difficult fix for someone who has the equipment and experience to do it

Impossible for the average person

That being said, send me a link to it, imma buy it

[scenic solar]

Id say about 20 pins, two different spots
I can try, I'll do my best and if i cant save it I'll just resell it as broken or keep it for future repair attempt

[scenic solar]

I did notice that from nwr video, i barely have some basic soldering skills, i cannot do that by myself & with the current tools

[scenic solar]

You're probably getting a hundred dollar shipping if youre in the us but ill send you the link anyways

I did not save the item, ill have to find it again, just a sec

What. Is. This.

[scenic solar]

It was an auction, i think it ended...

Yeah, got sold

Meanwhile i got €50 in broken motherboards +40 shipping

[cyan raft]

Rip

[scenic solar]

Added another one, 71.50 for the items and exactly 50 euros for shipping
Yikes

[sudden creek]

Anyone know a good in depth video on how to use Process Lasso?

[sudden creek]

How come it seems I can't set CPU affinity for Modern Warfare?

[frosty pulsar]

DIY mobo

[tender sleet]

https://ipon.hu/shop/termek/gskill-32gb-ripjaws-s5-ddr5-6000mhz-cl32-kit-f5-6000j3238f16gx2-rs5k/2101772
SKU is F5-6000J3238F16GX2-RS5K
DDR5-6000 CL32-38-38-96 1.35V XMP profile

It should be Hynix right?

https://ipon.hu/shop/termek/gskill-32gb-flare-x5-ddr5-6000mhz-cl32-kit-f5-6000j3238f16gx2-fx5/2078139
This one is F5-6000J3238F16GX2-FX5
DDR5-6000 CL32-38-38-96 1.35V EXPO profile

seems to be about the same save for the name and the profile name (though seems like EXPO is guaranteed to work with Ryzen 7000)

[grizzled bloom]

EXPO also means it has additional timings set to improve AMD performance

[grizzled bloom]

Should be hynix yes, but there is a small chance of it being Samsung. Much more likely Hynix since it's not straight timings like 36-36-36.

[tender sleet]

Yeah I figured

should be good for an upgrade then

[grizzled bloom]

They should be good for a long while too, since you can just overclock them when we start to get better memory controllers. They should be able to get to 6400 or better at 1.35v and easily 7200+ at 1.45v

[burnt spear]

It has to be yeah

Oh falcie already answered mb

[tender sleet]

issokay Bacca

[tender sleet]

Hol'up
Measurable performance gains with faster memory on Ryzen? What sorcery is this???

[grizzled bloom]

It's monolithic like the previous APUs so it can run memory much faster, plus the integrated GPU often benefits from having faster memory even if it's desync UCLK mode.

[tender sleet]

neat

also
Damn now I wanna get one of those Waterboxes that Singularity makes

it'd solve my temp issues...

two 240 rads would probably cool anything that isn't a 13900K/14900K

[grizzled bloom]

Custom loops like that could cool the top end chips like those

It's often the CPU block that's a major bottleneck there, so getting a good one helps a lot.

[tender sleet]

I mean 14900K+4090 might overpower the two 240s

[grizzled bloom]

If both are loaded 100% maybe

But how often does that happen

[tender sleet]

But normal use would be fine

like just casually gaming

[grizzled bloom]

During 4k gaming the GPU will be loaded and the CPU snoozing at 10-15% or so. 1440p the 4090 usually can't stretch it's legs and the CPU load goes up. 1080p the GPU probably isn't going above 150W at most.

[tender sleet]

so basically the two 240s should be enough for pretty much any gaming PC you can build today

[grizzled bloom]

Generally speaking yes

Unless you want to get into overclocking and the CPU suddenly is pulling 600W while the GPU is at 800W

[tender sleet]

nice

[dull flint]

How is it that hub didn't even bother to test it against zen 4

Wtf

Yes the igpu is good but that's not the only burning question

[grizzled bloom]

Do you mean CPU only performance? That wasn't the focus of this review, they had plenty else to talk about. I'm sure we'll see a follow up on CPU performance but we can assume it's a little below the 7700X due to the reduced cache.

What would be insane is if they released an 8700G3D. It's not possible because of the monolithic design but still, that would be epic.

[dull flint]

Yes cpu only perf

I wanted to see cpu perf

[grizzled bloom]

Soon™️

[dull flint]

Reeeee

[amber canopy]

the whole socket is gone

looks like they screwed up the BGA too

[grizzled bloom]

Yep it's hard to tell from the blur but it could be ripped down to the copper

Probably a failed repair attempt swapping the socket

[cursive epoch]

it's pretty much a 7940h tho

that's a comparison you can use i suppose

but laptop ram

[dull flint]

A 16 core?

[cursive epoch]

no

7945hx is the 16 core

[dull flint]

Is 7940 a 8 core????

[cursive epoch]

yes

[dull flint]

WTD

WTF

[cursive epoch]

it is lmao

i was surprised too

[dull flint]

AMDEEEE

WHAT THE HELL

[cursive epoch]

7945hx is the 16c one

[dull flint]

That should not be a thing

Wtf

[cursive epoch]

not 40h

[dull flint]

BRUH

[cursive epoch]

it's essentially a 7840h lmao

[dull flint]

THE 5 MEANS A REFRESH IN THE NAME

IT BREAKS IT'S OWN NAME SCHEME

[cursive epoch]

no it's just segmentation

[grizzled bloom]

Intel is no better tbf, Core Ultra 5 130 (raptor lake) and Core Ultra 5 135 (meteor lake)

[cursive epoch]

not refresh

i remember that naming scheme

[dull flint]

It's not a ryzen 9 tho

Hahaha

[cursive epoch]

yeah

amd being silly

[dull flint]

That's absolutely stupid

[cursive epoch]

crusty pic but

[dull flint]

You could have a 7940 and 7945 laptop side by side and one has DOUBLE THE CORES

[cursive epoch]

exactly

7940hs in the tufs are just stupid

[dull flint]

AMD really did the "hold my beer" on intel

[dull flint]

Idk if I want to know

[grizzled bloom]

35W 🤡

[cursive epoch]

hey 35w is fine, but it's NOT a ryzen 9 i agree

[dull flint]

The 8 core ryzen mobiles are great but that name is disgusting

[grizzled bloom]

35W "Ryzen 9" is just so cursed

[dull flint]

That should not exist

[cursive epoch]

besides my hs actually runs above 35w if it wants

then again mine is 7735

aka 6800u

[dull flint]

The U/hs chips run up to like 80w

35 is a good day

Lol

[cursive epoch]

ye

[dull flint]

That is so cursed

This is like

13940 vs 13980

That would never fly

[cursive epoch]

the 0 in 40 is disgusting

btw 7730u is zen 3

not 3+ like 7735hs

and is on vega igp

[dull flint]

Wtf

[cursive epoch]

it's insulting the more i look

lmao

[dull flint]

The 5 is the most dangerous number

[cursive epoch]

the 5 is the number you need to have

[dull flint]

Pfffff

[cursive epoch]

or you'll get scammed

35 and 45

gud

30 and 40

bad and meh

[ancient vault]

So I feel like I'm going insane

My mobo (Aorus Elite AX B550M) seems to have a pre-installed IO shield that doesn't seem to be removable

But

The holes in my mobo need to be a tiny bit more to the left for the screws to be able to align with the standoffs

And I have no idea what to do lol

It doesn't have screws and doesn't seem to be removable

Any help would be appreciated, I'm stumped

[cerulean wadi]

It's not removeable. I partly put in a screw to maybe top right or bottom right mobo hole, then "lever" over rest of mobo and get a screw in opposite corner of previous one. hope that makes some sense.

[grizzled bloom]

Partially screw in a few of the screws to hold things in place, then try to get one in that hole by shifting the board slightly. Again, partially tighten. Once you have all the screws in place you can tighten down.

[ancient vault]

They all just seem too misaligned to screw in at all, but I'll try

[grizzled bloom]

I've often thought that and done the above technique and been pleasantly surprised.

Just a little shimmy does the trick when it's that close

[ancient vault]

Ok you're so right, I got one half screwed in

Thank you this is my first time building in like 8 years so I'm so out of touch lol

[grizzled bloom]

That's what we're here for, happy to help

[ancient vault]

So I got the one screw in

But I'm really struggling to get any kf the other ones in

[cerulean wadi]

If you do my idea partly and 1 corner screw doesn't work (maybe top), then swap it to the bottom right corner and see if io shield and such can get in better that way. I've just done it this way because generally pushing in a single "corner" instead of a whole side seemed easier.

[ancient vault]

Hm ok I'll try that

[ancient vault]

Ok this worked, yay

Thank you

[grizzled bloom]

These are things not normally covered in build videos that you just learn by doing

[ancient vault]

Yeah I remember running into several problems with my first build that I wasn't ready for too lol

Ok so another question

Why does the top PCIE slot have metal on the outside?

I'm assuming that stays there?

I've just never seen that before lol so I wanna make sure before I slap my GPU in

[cerulean wadi]

metal reinforcement basically specifically for gpu weight.

[ancient vault]

Oop I literally forgot I asked until just now, but interesting!

[olive totem]

can someone explain the differences between the x and non x varients? all I know about my 7600 is that it draws less power and im assuming less performance?

[burnt spear]

X has much higher wattage at stock mainly

Very small performance difference

Non x also has stock cooler I think, I know 7600 and 7700 do

[dull flint]

Yep

You can enable eco mode on the X variant to make a similar tdp but you don't get the included cooler. They're otherwise virtually the same

[shy knoll]

Oh, when did this channel become three components?

[grizzled bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[shy knoll]

Am I blind?

[grizzled bloom]

tbf it usually looks like this

So it can be easy to miss

[shy knoll]

Alright, what do I need to know about cleaning off thermal paste? I did it once before, but I wasted about 40 q-tips

[burnt spear]

I would recommend a cotton ball

Or cotton swab

[shy knoll]

Can I scrape off the bulk first and then go at it with cotton?

[burnt spear]

Wdym scrape

[shy knoll]

Oh, right. This tool that came with my thermal paste is for spreading, not scraping

[long geyser]

I mean yes you can shovel/scrape the bulk of it first, just beware that warranty terms generally note that scrapped IHSes will void warranty. So be careful when using metal tools.

[shy knoll]

Dang

That would also be likely to ruin a return, huh?

[burnt spear]

Prolly yeah

[dull flint]

Paper towel but make sure there's no paper left behind

Hell toilet paper works if you're desperate

[shy knoll]

What do I do about bios updates for gen 14 intel boards?

Would there be a problem like that with this board?
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/HP9wrH/asrock-z790-riptide-wifi-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z790-riptide-wifi

[burnt spear]

It's a toss up

[shy knoll]

Oof. Well then, how can I make sure the bios is updated before I boot?

[burnt spear]

I mean if you try to turn it on without knowing it's not an issue

Just assemble the pc and see if it boots

If it does you're good

If not, you're not

[sudden creek]

Does anyone know of COD MW3/Warzone prefers cache or frequency?

[burnt spear]

Yes

Iirc it likes intel 13th/14th gen (cores) and amd gpus, but don't quote me on the first part

[dull flint]

Use process lasso to flip between one ccd and the other

You can test it yourself

[sudden creek]

doing that atm.

[sudden creek]

Does seem to be the case so far.

Does the particular thread on each core make a difference?

My experience while fps is similar, does seem smoother. Will test with the other CCD now just to confirm

[dull flint]

no, just traffic free

[sudden creek]

Like is one thread on a core faster than the other?

[sudden creek]

Traffic free meaning the core's usage?

[dull flint]

mhm

[dull flint]

no

it can be with silicon lottery

but meaningfully on x3d, no

differences would be fractions of a percent unless the core was complete garbage

[sudden creek]

gotcha

[sudden creek]

x3d definitely seems to be Warzone's favor

give or take 20 fps

[olive totem]

what is zen 5

I know its upcoming amd cpus

so is am5 zen 4 and am4 zen 3?

supposedly zen 5 is coming later this year

[dull flint]

am4 is zen zen+ zen 2 zen 3

am5 is zen 4

zen 5

maybe zen 6

[olive totem]

gotcha

so what will the naming scheme be for zen 5

something like 8700x3d

?

[dull flint]

somethingsomethingsomething something ryzen somethingsomething

https://tenor.com/view/8ball-bart-simpson-shaking-shake-magic-ball-gif-17725278

[olive totem]

https://tenor.com/view/roblox-mighty-omega-gif-22253898

[cursive epoch]

8800x3d

[grizzled bloom]

From what I've heard recently they could be skipping 8000 like they did with 4000, going straight to 9000. X3D chips have been rumored but

[cursive epoch]

if that's true

i wonder

why

[dull flint]

iirc

there's a superstition out of CN that 8 brings bad luck

[cursive epoch]

lol

[grizzled bloom]

That would also explain no gtx 800 series on nvidia

[dull flint]

or zenfone 8 iirc

I think? 4 is the same

they skipped rog phone 4 iirc

no I'm completely wrong wtf

LOL

[grizzled bloom]

🙃

[dull flint]

oh I'm right about 4

this is why ryzen 4000 was skipped for sure

wait

[dull flint]

ryzen 8000 apu's????

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah it's probably just the same deal as 4000 series, where they launch APUs and some mid-gen refresh chips and then 9000 is the next full launch

[olive totem]

is that because of the 8700g or whatever came out recently that is basically worthless

[grizzled bloom]

I wouldn't call it worthless at all

It's the best iGPU on the market right now

So perfect for SFF builds without a dGPU to run a media server or emulation box for TV

[cursive epoch]

but

4000G was very common in china

so like

it's just amd being random

[grizzled bloom]

12100+6600 is cheaper than 8700G I know but that takes more space and power

[cursive epoch]

and laptops still sold in 4000 series ryzens too

i would love 8600g with 780m tbh

but amd won't grant us that

[grizzled bloom]

Imagine APU with 3D vcache

[cursive epoch]

that would need an entire new socket

wider cpus

can't have all in one with current socket

it's either meh cpu (relatively) and good igpu

or good cpu, bad igpu

[grizzled bloom]

That's the point of the 3D cache though, it's stacked on top of the die

[cursive epoch]

true

but the extra space for cache is taken up by the gpu tho

[grizzled bloom]

Is the GPU stacked on top of the die too?

The IHS is thick, shave that sucker down lol

[dull flint]

rdna 3 has space left for x3d stacking

iirc that was an entire plan that never happened

maybe left for rdna 4 to do?

[long geyser]

With current arch I dont think iGPUs would even have access to vcache tho. I think I remember hearing smth like that before.

[grizzled bloom]

The point here would be to compensate for halving the L3 to make room for the iGPU

You'd end up with an "almost no compromises" CPU with that layout. Just the slightly reduced clocks and CPU core overclocking lockout.

[dull flint]

doesn't current x3d have an igpu?

I'd check myself but cbf

yes it does

720m or 710m

so they could probably do a 12cu variant just that i/o die would be massive af

[grizzled bloom]

The problem is the APUs are monolithic

[long geyser]

Or do what rumors "promised" when we first heard about 7000 series (I think) coming with iGPUs, which is iGPU CCD.

[grizzled bloom]

Next gen is supposed to have more scalable chips with more things that can connect to the IO die so maybe next set of procedures

[sudden creek]

Please help.... I've done a fresh install of Windows 11 and I've been running XMP yet I am still experiencing occasional random crashes.

Symptons are:

• Frozen screen
• audio still plays
• Usually have control over the audio during the freeze

Could the CPU's voltage be dropping to low?

[grizzled bloom]

If that was the case you'd get blue screens, not freezes

Do you have vSoC control on X3D? I think it was just the core voltage that was locked right?

[sudden creek]

Yeah I can adjust SOC voltage.

I will need to double check the core voltage part.

[grizzled bloom]

Ok, set that to 1.25v and see if that helps. Sometimes you also need to bump the memory voltage a step or two.

[sudden creek]

Alright. I had actually just set it to 1.25v before sending a msg so we'll see on that and should I bump my dram voltage from 1.35 to 1.42?

[grizzled bloom]

1.37v dram at most for xmp

[sudden creek]

gotcha. glad I asked.

Mind if I ask what the VDDIO voltage is?

also brb gonna apply the dram voltage change

[grizzled bloom]

Should be related to the IO die

[sudden creek]

How voltage sensitive is that?

Because my board by default sets CPU VDDIO voltage = to DRAM voltage.

[grizzled bloom]

It's usually fine at default

[sudden creek]

Wondering cause when I did the OC at 1.6v that also upped VDDIO to 1.6v

Would that have anything to do with the sudden crashes?

[limber dragon]

what is your xmp speed though

[sudden creek]

6000c32

My pc just crashed again....

upped vSOC voltage to 1.28 and Dram to 1.4v hopefully that helps?

[grizzled bloom]

Just be aware that a vsoc of 1.4v+ is attributed as being the cause of CPUs violently exploding

[sudden creek]

My board doesn't let me set soc past 1.3v

[grizzled bloom]

Good lol

[sudden creek]

Any idea as to what else might be causing the crashes?

[dull flint]

#JustAGESAthings

[marble bough]

I 'm looking to upgrade by setup from a build I did 10 years ago. The thing is I use 5 of my existing 7 PCI-E slots in my MSI Z97 Gaming 7 board at present. I am looking at https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813162027?Item=N82E16813162027 . It has 5 PCI-E slots, which suit my needs since the GPU slot doesn't cover an empty one. I just purchased the Core i9-12900 from Newegg that will fit this board. My question is about ram. Some say their memory won't work well with this. I want to load it up to 128GB. I create content, so I'm not a gamer. Newegg used to be able to assist in recommendations, but I guess they let their PC experts go. Does anyone have experience with this motherboard that could offer suggestions ?

[dull flint]

@marble bough ddr5 hates high density 4 stick configs

There's only like

2 boards I'd say would have somewhat of a chance

Z790 formula and z690/790 classified

[marble bough]

I have searched for Z790 boards, but most have 2 or 3 PCIE slots max. I appreciate the advice. I will stay with DDR4, but I have to get current. My system is fast for about 4 years ago, but I do a lot of video editing.

[dull flint]

Oh it's ddr4

Sorry I just saw the link

Mb

When I hear 128gb not working on a new cpu, I assume ddr5

128 should work

But question is what is the xmp of the ram

And what have you tried so far

[marble bough]

I still have the MB in my shopping cart, but want to make sure that I choose wisely

[marble bough]

for the memory. I just saw a couple of reviews of severa l different MBs having issues past 2 sticks

[sudden creek]

.... please tell me you're not serious?

[limber dragon]

dual rank ddr5 do be like that sometimes

[marble bough]

Trying to get help on Newegg isn't like it used to be. I used to build PCs for more than 26 years, but now things are sticky. Many configs don/t work with all ram

[dull flint]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/xz0juq/one_potential_not_ftpm_stutter_fix_for_am5/?rdt=55606

Try this

[dull flint]

Oh then I wouldn't stress a lot

Send me what you had in mind for the build

I'll take a look and verify it (to the best I can)

[marble bough]

I already have a Corsair HX1500i power supply (still in the box). I am looking into a RTX 4080 Super. I currently have a GTX 1080TI sc, running on my i7-4970K with 32GB Corsair Vengeance and an HX1200 PSU. I was looking at that MB because I have capture cards, extra SATA controllers. PC right now has 23 SSDs (I'm an organization nut).

[dull flint]

Do you have a list

[marble bough]

Not at the moment. Just needing ideas for a stable build to replace my current one.

[dull flint]

Ok

https://pcpartpicker.com/list

Send me a list in there what you have rn plugged in

Then send me

Budget

What the pc is being used for

What you have plugged in to the pc

[marble bough]

Mainly Video Editing and compositing

[dull flint]

Budget before tax btw

I am not American, I don't know local tax requisites

[marble bough]

I have 27 usB ports, all filled. Budget is just under 2K. Most of the system will stay as it is (case, drives, Noctua cooler, fans, etc.)

but the budget is just for the GPU (4080 Super, Ram, and MB)

I have a few Atem switchers, a few NAS builds, 14 monitors across 4 computers, video production equipment all over the place.

[dull flint]

27

Sir I think you need hedt

[sudden creek]

will try that

[dull flint]

No modern board to my knowledge has anywhere near 27 ports

Is this what all those pcie slots are needed for??

And what noctua cooler are we talking about

[burnt spear]

I'd just include some usb hubs in the list lol

Also wait

[dull flint]

That's what will happen with a 2k budget yes

[burnt spear]

23 ssds

[dull flint]

LOL

[marble bough]

No. They are for the SATA controllers. I don't care for m2, just for maintenance purposes. I already have the USB hubs to replace the lost USB controllers.

[burnt spear]

Are any of said USBs external ssds?

[dull flint]

How many tb is in these ssds

[marble bough]

I used to own a magazine and do celebrity interviews. 7 of them are just pictures of me with celebrities, video performances, . Almost all of them are 4TB internals.

Noctua D15

[burnt spear]

Would you want some 14tb hdds in the list? I saw some for $115 the other day

Ye here we go
https://serverpartdeals.com/products/toshiba-mg-series-mg07aca14te-14tb-7-2k-rpm-sata-6gb-s-512e-3-5-refurbished-hdd

[marble bough]

I have quite a few HDDs in the Nas systems for backup.

that's not a bad deal though.

[burnt spear]

Ah alr

Oh can you cancel the 12900 order?

[marble bough]

yes

[burnt spear]

Unless it was under 300 there's better performing cpus cheaper

14600k namely

[marble bough]

It was $320