cpus-mobo-and-memory

[fast moth]

Dude I’m so excited

@grizzled bloom after I install everything how do I safely turn off everything? Should I remove the cpu cooler

[grizzled bloom]

Touch the power pins again to turn it off

It'll act like you pressed the power button

You can leave the cooler for now

[fast moth]

What if I shut down? And turn off psu?

[fast moth]

Ok my case arrives on Tuesday

Leave it outside until then?

Nothing will happen?

[grizzled bloom]

Nothing will happen

[fast moth]

Ok

[grizzled bloom]

The case is the most optional part of the pc

[fast moth]

How it looks like

[grizzled bloom]

If it works it works

[fast moth]

Real

[grizzled bloom]

Also on the bright side, it'll never have better airflow than right now

[fast moth]

Ong

Gonna update to latest windows first

And then download drivers and turn off pc

@grizzled bloom what app should I use to download cpu and gpu drivers for amd?

5500 and 6700xt

[grizzled bloom]

Don't use an app

Just download from amd

[fast moth]

I meant amd’s app

Isn’t there a got detect one for amd

Idk the name

[grizzled bloom]

The auto detect won't work without drivers installed already

[fast moth]

Ethernet is installed

[grizzled bloom]

https://www.amd.com/en/support/graphics/amd-radeon-6000-series/amd-radeon-6700-series/amd-radeon-rx-6700-xt
https://www.amd.com/en/support/chipsets/amd-socket-am4/b550

[fast moth]

I mean plugged in

Update windows first right?

[grizzled bloom]

Sure

That'll grab some basic drivers too. They won't be fully functional but it's something.

[fast moth]

Alright

I’ll let you know after I finish updating

Thanks falcie

It’s gonna take me 20yrd to update cuz I run on 1mb/s

I love you falcie, bacca and fox too

W helpers

❤️

[grizzled bloom]

In the windows update advanced options, there's a toggle for "get me up to date", that'll download and install updates rebooting when necessary to get you fully up to date

[fast moth]

Alright

[fast moth]

What about windows activation

[grizzled bloom]

Don't worry about that right now if you don't have a key handy

[fast moth]

Alright

Is it fine to leave everything on the cardboard box? I’m kinda nervous lmao

[grizzled bloom]

Should be a button for "enter later" and then you just never enter it for infinite demo mode

[fast moth]

lol alright

[grizzled bloom]

Yes cardboard is non-conductive

[fast moth]

Alright

My ram runs at 2400

When should I turn on xmp

[grizzled bloom]

After you install windows

[fast moth]

Aight

How do I enter bios?

Also bios update is not necessary rn right?

[grizzled bloom]

You want maximum stability when you're installing since you can't test it yet

[fast moth]

I should be fine right?

[grizzled bloom]

When the gigabyte logo comes up hit the delete key and it'll go to bios

[fast moth]

Alright

[grizzled bloom]

Update shouldn't be 100% necessary but can still be good to do, since there's critical security flaws that have been fixed

[fast moth]

Also my gpu is not showing up in the task manager

[grizzled bloom]

No drivers

[fast moth]

Alright I’ll update once I get the case

I really hope it comes in tmr lol

My monitor comes in tmr

[fast moth]

It’s fine if I update bios through the gigabyte app center right?

[grizzled bloom]

Probably

Problems are rare but can happen. You'd likely be ok though.

[cursive epoch]

i'd rather update through bios

not windows application

[fast moth]

Why not

[cursive epoch]

less risk

[fast moth]

Alright

[grizzled bloom]

ofc I'd rather do through bios too but if you can't get to bios...

[fast moth]

Also @grizzled bloom my rev version is 1.3

I downloaded the wrong bios 💀

[grizzled bloom]

Ah, so that's why it wouldn't flash

[fast moth]

Oopsie

It’s fine tho

[cursive epoch]

yeah

hash doesn't match

[fast moth]

Lemme download drivers real quick

[grizzled bloom]

Stupid that gigabyte even has these different revisions like that

[fast moth]

Before I plug in the usb to the pc again I should delete the windows file on my drive right?

[cursive epoch]

because it's gigabyte

they will never finalize their boards at launch

[grizzled bloom]

But why 4 different revisions with 2 different sets of bios

[fast moth]

I’m deleting windows from usb

[cursive epoch]

idk either

[fast moth]

And downloading new bios

[grizzled bloom]

Go for it

[cursive epoch]

changes are probs drastic enough

[grizzled bloom]

I've seen some slimy uses of that too, how the rev 1.0-1.1 have argb headers and the 1.2-1.3 doesn't

[cursive epoch]

asus has spooked me twice with windows forced bios updates

[fast moth]

I’m in rev 1.3 in gigabyte website

Should I download all the drivers?

Or just the bios?

[cursive epoch]

but at least it wasn't a lenovo

otherwise i would've run into high risk of a bricked laptop

[grizzled bloom]

You can do realtek audio (back/front panel), lan (ethernet and wifi), and bios

[fast moth]

Ok

I’m downloading now

[grizzled bloom]

Chipset you'll want the latest from AMD that I linked above

[fast moth]

Alright

Should I unzip?

[cursive epoch]

yes

[fast moth]

Just click extract on three of them right?

[cursive epoch]

yes

but don't mix their contents up

[fast moth]

Got it

I extracted one by one

Just in case

And I deleted the zips

[cursive epoch]

you'd want something like .rom file to be put inside the usb drive

[fast moth]

What’s that

[cursive epoch]

depending on your board, check manual lol

[olive totem]

post it in #build-pics lol

[fast moth]

Doesn’t show

[fast moth]

Did

[grizzled bloom]

You don't need to move it out of the folder, just tell the bios where the .fdc file is when you go to flash

[olive totem]

oh lmao

[fast moth]

Aight

[fast moth]

I do separate bios install one by one? Cuz I have 3 folders

[cursive epoch]

yes

[fast moth]

Ok

[grizzled bloom]

The other 2 are drivers, you'll install those in windows

[fast moth]

Ah ok

[fast moth]

How do I go into bios?

My windows updates are almost done

[grizzled bloom]

.

When you reboot

[fast moth]

Just click on restart?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes

[fast moth]

Ok

[grizzled bloom]

If that doesn't work because of secure boot shenanigans there's another way

[fast moth]

Alright

Man I don’t got Bluetooth

[grizzled bloom]

You will once you install the wifi drivers

[fast moth]

Will this dongle work for my headphones

[grizzled bloom]

I can't tell anything by that pic

What model is it

[fast moth]

Idk if this helps

[fast moth]

Idk came with my headphones

[grizzled bloom]

Yes that's a bluetooth adapter

[fast moth]

Aight

[grizzled bloom]

It should install the drivers when you install the logitech software

[fast moth]

Idk if my motherboard comes with Bluetooth

[grizzled bloom]

That's why you get an adapter with the headphones

[fast moth]

If it comes with Bluetooth I don’t gotta get anything lol

[burnt spear]

It might be an aux adapter too, my partners headphones came with one like that

[fast moth]

Wdym

[fast moth]

Oh

[burnt spear]

If the headphones are wireless than thats the adapter like fal said

[grizzled bloom]

This
It's an adapter to connect your G435 to

[burnt spear]

If they're not that's prolly an aux to usb

[fast moth]

How’d you know 💀

[fast moth]

So if I download drivers it should work?

[fast moth]

💀

[burnt spear]

Lol

[fast moth]

Also how do I know my monitors display size

Cuz the taskbar is like half way cut off

[grizzled bloom]

That'll be an overscan setting in the monitor

Turn off overscan

[fast moth]

The monitor is like 100yrs old I don’t think it has that

[grizzled bloom]

It does

Overscan is ancient tech

[fast moth]

Where do I turn off

[grizzled bloom]

In the monitor settings

Probably using the buttons on the monitor

[fast moth]

There’s menu

Go to menu?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes

[fast moth]

I don’t wanna mess up anything so Imma just wait lol

My new monitor comes in tmr anyways

[grizzled bloom]

That works

[fast moth]

Hope my temps are alright 🙏

[grizzled bloom]

If you couldn't find the setting there's an option in graphics settings to compensate for the overscan by shrinking the display area

[fast moth]

Alright

Windows updates take forever man

Haven’t even gotten to bios or drivers yet

Bios first or drivers first?

[grizzled bloom]

bios imo

[fast moth]

Aight

When should I plug in the drive?

[grizzled bloom]

Any time

[fast moth]

Aight

[grizzled bloom]

Preferably before it finishes booting

[fast moth]

Sorry for these dumb questions lol I’m pretty sure you’re pretty annoyed 💀

[grizzled bloom]

Any time before that

[fast moth]

Windows is updating

After that I’ll put in drive and restart and enter bios

[grizzled bloom]

Nah I like that you're being cautious. The more questions, the more you learn.

[fast moth]

Thank you 🙏

[grizzled bloom]

I wouldn't be in this server if I was that easily annoyed lol

[fast moth]

😂

My gpu fans stop working, it should be fine right?

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah they have a 0 rpm mode for when it's low heat and low load

[fast moth]

Right

So many windows updates

But it’s gonna be worth after I put it in the case I don’t gotta worry about all this

It will just boot 🙂

Finished updating

[grizzled bloom]

Windows update needs a serious overhaul. It's barely changed under the hood since late XP/Vista.

[fast moth]

In bios

What do I do

[grizzled bloom]

F8

Q-flash

[fast moth]

The bios files end in fdc right?

I’m clicking on that one

[grizzled bloom]

This version does

Since this is version FDc

[fast moth]

Ok

Updating

Bios is updating quite quick

32%

[grizzled bloom]

The initial flash is fast, let it reboot and finalize. It may reboot twice, to update the RGB firmware.

[fast moth]

Alright

It will go back to windows or bios? After update?

Should I turn on xmp

[grizzled bloom]

Once it's done updating sure

Now is a good time to enable xmp so everything else goes faster from here on

[fast moth]

Oh oops it’s back to windows

I gotta go back to bios

[grizzled bloom]

Easy enough to do

[fast moth]

It’s not going to bios

Too fast

What’s the other way

[grizzled bloom]

Hold shift when you click restart

It'll go to an advanced boot menu

Under advanced on that menu, find the option for go to UEFI

[fast moth]

Aight I got it

Also when I tried installing lan drivers

It said install lan drivers

It was loading and it stopped

Does that mean it’s done?

[grizzled bloom]

Probably

[fast moth]

Why is there so many setups for the audio one

Which one do I click

[grizzled bloom]

setup.exe

[fast moth]

Got it

Time to install drivers now for gpu and cup

What do i do

[grizzled bloom]

Download the version from here that matches your windows edition (AMD doesn't let me direct link) and run the installer

[fast moth]

Don’t got discord on the computer lmao

[grizzled bloom]

Open discord in the browser

discord.com

[fast moth]

Aight

Doing it

[grizzled bloom]

"open discord in your browser"

Sign in with the QR code

[fast moth]

If my internet wasn’t this ass it would’ve been done by now 💀

[fast moth]

Aight

Both of them right?

@grizzled bloom it should be fine if If I shut down the pc and turn off psu?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes and yes

[fast moth]

Alright

Imma just leave it on my table

Until I turn it on tmr or something

What else do I need to do

I turned on xmp, updated mobo bios, updated windows and updating drivers now

Also what does and privacy view mean

Should I download

What’s this? I got it with my motherboard

[grizzled bloom]

Privacy view? From where? Probably something skippable

[grizzled bloom]

SATA cables

[fast moth]

And software

[fast moth]

Not needed?

Don’t got an ssd

[grizzled bloom]

Not if you don't have a SATA drive

[fast moth]

Alright I’ll keep it on just in case

[grizzled bloom]

Keep them for later if you want to add a 20TB HDD yeah

[fast moth]

20tb is crazy

How much is it

💀

Also what else do I need to buy for my pc?

I might need to buy a WiFi

[grizzled bloom]

If you have to ask it's too much lol

[fast moth]

Idk if my motherboard has Bluetooth

How do I check?

Anything I need to download?

[grizzled bloom]

But fr 20TB drives are $300-350

[grizzled bloom]

No wifi no bluetooth

[fast moth]

Damn bro

Mobo sucks

But I can’t complain for 60 bucks

[fast moth]

I mean not too bad

[fast moth]

Do I need to download anything on my pc?

The drivers are downloading now

[grizzled bloom]

Logitech software for your headset maybe

[fast moth]

Yeah probably

[fast moth]

What benchmark software is best?

I might download 3d mark

[grizzled bloom]

https://www.amazon.com/Cudy-WE3000-3000Mbps-Wireless-Bluetooth/dp/B082NZYDDM

[fast moth]

Damn 30 whole bucks

[grizzled bloom]

3Dmark is good, Time Spy demo is free and will tell you if it's working right

[fast moth]

Yeah I’ll use time spy but not rn cuz my internet is ass I need to download while I’m away in school

[grizzled bloom]

30 bucks gets you wifi 6E and all the latest features

[fast moth]

Alright I’ll keep in mind

Can’t get it right now tho I spend way too much for my pc

Nice my gpu shows up

[grizzled bloom]

Little cheaper, wifi 6 instead of 6E but still pretty new https://www.amazon.com/Network-Wavlink-Dual-Band-Wireless-Bluetooth/dp/B0C6KCRF84

[fast moth]

Still lol I have no money

I’m broke

Will get later tho

I’ll keep the links saved

Thanks for looking

[grizzled bloom]

Just thought I'd give you a couple different options, most people still can't fully use 6E anyway

[fast moth]

Alright

[vast meadow]

14th gen specs out today, proper reviews tomorrow

[dull flint]

13900ks

[vast meadow]

I figured that's basically what it was

[dull flint]

13950ks extreme edition™

(no 512)

(comes with pat gelsinger in the box)

[grizzled bloom]

It's just an overclocked 13900ks yeah

The only somewhat interesting one is the 14700k with 4 more e cores

[vast meadow]

Doesn't that make it same core count as 14900k?

Will we have another 11900k situation

[dull flint]

No 4 less

[vast meadow]

Oh no

[grizzled bloom]

No it's still 4 short

[vast meadow]

Ah okay

[dull flint]

I'm guessing this is the case but we don't know yet

[vast meadow]

Really weird core counts

[grizzled bloom]

We kinda do though. Every source has had the same leaks for months. We know the cache is the same, the imc is the same, it's just extra fit silicon since they've had time to perfect the node

[dull flint]

Ye

Then there's me

Deciding wtf I do

Sell and go up or chill

[grizzled bloom]

Sell and pocket the diff

[dull flint]

It's not looking like there's a diff

[grizzled bloom]

14900k is $589

That's a $400 diff minimum

[dull flint]

Ye if it were worth that much rn

And it goes two ways

If the core is slightly better, cool

Imc worse? Bad

[grizzled bloom]

Binned chips are always in demand to the right buyer

[dull flint]

Hmm

I have to keep looking into it

[naive pendant]

I have a 9th gen i9 9900k, is there any way without replacing the motherboard for me to get the best CPU for the gen style? (Trying to save money lol)

[grizzled bloom]

That's the top CPU for that socket

[naive pendant]

Then what should I do? I’m honestly not completely sure tbh lol.

[burnt spear]

Run it, if it works well enough for you then that's fine

If it doesn't, then save up to upgrade cpu, mobo, and likely ram too since most cpus that make sense to buy rn use ddr5

Unless you go 12400f, 12600k or 5600, which would be fine at 1440p with the 4070 ti

Though depending on what ram you have right now even going ddr4 you'd want new ram, depends on speed and timings

[grizzled bloom]

9900k, mobo, and memory would sell for about $300-350
Then swap for this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/979CdH

[burnt spear]

Oh also what psu do you have?

[naive pendant]

It’s a 750 w

[burnt spear]

What model

[naive pendant]

No clue tbh

It’s nice tho

[burnt spear]

Seconded, could also get cheaper/better ddr5 with tiktok shop with new user coupon, but if you dont want to bother with that that's understandable

[burnt spear]

I'd check, just for peace of mind

[naive pendant]

So I should sell my ram, cpu, and motherboard

[burnt spear]

Bad model can kill a system

[naive pendant]

It’s a name brand like ASUS and such

[burnt spear]

Also it's sold by newegg through tiktok, btw

[burnt spear]

Asus tuf or strix?

Either of those is fine

But brand doesn't really mean much

[grizzled bloom]

Old model can too, especially with the new GPUs being built for ATX 3.0 spec

[burnt spear]

Evga has power supplies that can blow up

[naive pendant]

I think I have old versions of those lol

From old computers tho

Not used

Anymore

[burnt spear]

That's fine, there's adapters, but if you could find the model of your psu out I'd check, it takes like 5 minutes to assure the safety of your system

[naive pendant]

Not home but will do (I’ll @ you)

[burnt spear]

Sounds good, I might not respond instantly but odds are I'll respond pretty quickly, I've absolutely no life

Could also dm me, either is fine

[naive pendant]

Same, when I get pic perms I’ll show you how chaotic all the junk I have is lol

[burnt spear]

I mean, depending on what the junk is you could potentially sell some of it and add to budget for cpu upgrade

[naive pendant]

It’s sentimental, still awsome tho

[burnt spear]

Fair enough

I didn't want to sell my first pc, luckily I got to build my partner one out of the parts I didn't carry over to my new pc

[naive pendant]

I decided to be a menace and gutted a Motorola ryzr (gonna turn it into a crappy game console)

Like doom

High school LAN party imagine

[burnt spear]

Nice, tiktok shop is really nice for budget builds right now

[naive pendant]

Time to get TikTok

[burnt spear]

You can build a full 5500 7600 build (rx 7600 ryzen 5 5500, not other way around) if you make a separate account for each part for around $400 or less

Including 1tb ssd, good mobo, and 32gb ram

[naive pendant]

Wow

[grizzled bloom]

That's what I would do considering the 12400 is a good 17% better in single thread performance (gaming) which means even though it has less threads it even beats the 9900k in multi core. https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i9-9900K-vs-Intel-i5-12400F/3334vs4681

[burnt spear]

One sec I'll grab you the parts list I made for it

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mBDMVW

Those prices are all estimates, give or take a few $

[grizzled bloom]

Then you have the option to upgrade the CPU again later up to a max of a 14900k

[burnt spear]

Yeah, though that mobo I don't think I'd run anything over 14600k

Pg lightning isn't as great as riptide

[grizzled bloom]

True not a lot of phases and puny sinks. No one really needs more than a 600 class CPU these days anyway, it's within a few % of the top in single core.

[burnt spear]

Yeah, even back in 9900k and 10900k days there wasn't much of a point for i9s over i7s for gaming

Now there's even less of a reason to go 13700k or 13900k over 13600k, the performance is within a few % of eachother

[grizzled bloom]

There was definitely a point, 9700k didn't have hyperthreading

[burnt spear]

Oh 9900k was the only one of the gen to?

[grizzled bloom]

All the 9900 variants did

And only the 9900

https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/cpu_group-intel_core_i_9000

[burnt spear]

Ah yeah thats what I meant, sorry

[grizzled bloom]

That was the last time that intel locked out HT from the lower chips, 10 series changed that to be more competitive with AMD

[burnt spear]

Imagine intel reintroduces that soon lol

Though I think that's just what they're doing with e cores, to a certain extent

[grizzled bloom]

That's the crazy thing, AMD is doing little cores on upcoming chips and they have SMT

256c/512t epyc is possible

[burnt spear]

Gah damn

[naive pendant]

@burnt spear @grizzled bloom so I should probably upgrade to a newer generation of Intel CPU’s I do question if it’s that needed for running games like VrChat?

[grizzled bloom]

VR is CPU heavy in general so it will be beneficial

[burnt spear]

Yeah I'd say go for a 12600k, it's $5 more than the 12400f

Just needs a separate cooler

Extra cores will help with vr

[grizzled bloom]

With VR the CPU basically has to prepare twice as many frames, one set of frames for each eye

[burnt spear]

Ahh nvm the 12600k deal ended

That sucks

So I'd say either the list fal posted, or this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/N3QxHG

The 7600 would be nicer for vr, but 12400f is still a step up from 9900k

[grizzled bloom]

AMD would be a fair bit better but does cost more up front

[burnt spear]

Yeah

Might be some mobo deals on tiktok, I'll take a look

That same b650m pro rs would be $100 after coupon

This kit of ddr5+ new user coupon, would have to be two different accounts though

[edgy salmon]

Does the CL Timing matter on RAM?

[vast meadow]

Yes to an extent

[burnt spear]

yes, lower is better, but it depends on the price diff if it's worth it

[long geyser]

Not directly. It more so helps as being a mild indicator for the quality of the memory dies on the stick. Tho it isnt the only thing, it cant be used by itself to know everything. The quality of the memory die can affect other timings that get auto trained from the motherboard, those timings are the ones that make a big difference in performance.

[dull flint]

all technically correct answers

I hate ram

[fleet obsidian]

Can someone recommended me a good mobo to pair with the 7800x3d. Trying to not spend too much on the mobo itself.

[burnt spear]

B650 hdv, pro rs

Either one

[fleet obsidian]

What would be the next option if I wanna spend a little more than that

[dull flint]

Msi pro b650m

Spend any more and it's just throwing money away

All 3 can run the highest power AM5 chips

Even a620m gaming x and that's been only $100

[cursive epoch]

damn

$100 now?

[dull flint]

Now? It was like that weeks ago

The only drawback to a good a620 is lack of cpu overclocking which does basically nothing for X3D anyway

[fleet obsidian]

Would buy new fans be a waste? 😭

[dull flint]

Depends on the fans

[fleet obsidian]

I want the Lian li infinity fans, I don’t really need them but since im upgrading my cpu mobo ram. I feel like just throwing in new fans

[dull flint]

Those are worth a fortune

If you sell them ig

Lol

[fleet obsidian]

I currently have 9 QL120

[dull flint]

Also worth a fortune but worse

Probably resell well

[fleet obsidian]

They’re kinda damaged tho

Like when I use all white, you see other colours

Around the sides

I’ll see what’s happening come Black Friday if there’s any sales on

First gotta get my cpu and mobo

[dull flint]

I mean if you're after aesthetics, either or they're gonna run you up a lot

They aren't great fans tho

To quote, "92mm fans in 120mm fan cages"

Those rgb rings hurt performance a lot

Infinity V2 overcame this by using deeper fans but they're still expensive af

And still, not great perf

Can't say there's anything better

Maybe thermalright s12's?

[fleet obsidian]

Yeah if I get 9 of those lian li fans

[dull flint]

Not anything that has the aesthetic

[fleet obsidian]

That’s like 300 😭😭😭

On fans

[dull flint]

Yeah

I'm also not a fan (heh) of the software

Unifan software is touch and go

[fleet obsidian]

Yeah I’ll go for the cpu mobo first then from there I’ll see

[dull flint]

It's better than corsair, but it's sometimes failing to detect or not applying properly or somr nonsense

I don't use unifans anymore

[fleet obsidian]

I was gonna upgrade to 5800xd

[dull flint]

I have a whole lot of AL120's I want to get rid of

[fleet obsidian]

But then I was thinking if I’m upgrading I may aswell go 7800x3d

Is the performance of a 4080 with a 5800x3d compared to the 7800x3d worth the extra £££

[dull flint]

Yes

At 1440p it is

4K no

[fleet obsidian]

I currently have the 5600x and can see the bottleneck in certain games

[shy cave]

The 5800x does fine for me. never had any bottlenecks with it or even close. (Besides costing me a 60$ cpu cooler) And the X3D version is only 1.5x faster than the X.

[grizzled bloom]

Only in specific titles, most games it's more like 1.2x

[grizzled bloom]

Oh no... The new Intel CPUs are even worse than we thought. 14700k still gets beaten by the 5800X3D in a bunch of games. Badly.

And when it doesn't win the older X3D still functionally ties with it

[vast meadow]

Oh wow yeah it is not good

[olive totem]

so whats the deal with intels 14th gen

they just added a few more cores?

[burnt spear]

To 14700k

Everything else is the same core count so far

[olive totem]

so what was the point

[burnt spear]

To release cpus

It's a refresh of 13th gen bc intel had to scrap meteor lake

[olive totem]

amd cpu supremacy

[sudden creek]

So from what I've seen is 14th gen a simple Clock Boost + Better Memory Support + More cores on some cpus?

[olive totem]

i think so

[hard leaf]

some? just on the 14700

but its okay, its a raptor lake refresh

not like they are marketing a whole new architecture

[sudden creek]

Gotcha.

At least that boost to memory support will be nice for Adobe users.

[hard leaf]

maybe theyll discontinue the 13th gen entirely to avoid a pricing war

13th gen being a bit cheaper is still a win over 14th gen

[ocean cradle]

Should I install windows 10 pro or windows 10 home

[split copper]

You should install windows 10 amateur

[ocean cradle]

I would, but I haven't even reached novice yet

Windows 10 pro?

[split copper]

Lol I don't think it matters either way

If you don't know what benefits you'd get out of pro you probably don't need it

[ocean cradle]

Well, i don't know if I'm missing out on anything by getting home

[long geyser]

Both should be pretty cheap, or free with certain rather easy to do methods. I'd recommend Education edition if you can get it for the same price of cheap to free. Less "ads" and has more features then Pro.

[ocean cradle]

I am wanting to upgrade to windows 11 later. Would I be able to buy windows 10 and then get 11 for free?

[long geyser]

Yes, but also why not just goto 11 now?

[grizzled bloom]

Intel was having serious issues during the development stages trying to make their Meteor Lake desktop processors. The best they could get stable was 6p 8e for the core configuration, making it 20 threads. Instead of taking an utter beatdown from AMD in multi core, they decided to re-release 13th gen with slightly higher clocks. To justify calling it a new generation, they added 4 E cores to the 14700k.
Next next generation Intel will be Arrow Lake, and that's looking like it'll just catch up to AMD 8000 series a few months before AMD releases the 9000 chips. We're looking at a long term losing scenario for Intel here.

TL:DR Intel bit off more than they could chew and failed to make good CPU

[ocean cradle]

Because I have slow wifi and it would take me forever to download it

Plus I already have 10

[olive totem]

will ryzen 8000/9000 be am5?

[grizzled bloom]

Probably

8000 for sure

9000 is presumed because AMD promised 5 years of AM5

[ocean cradle]

So I installed some drivers for my computer, including an AMD graphics driver. It installed, but I still can't change the refresh rate in the settings

And I am using the integrated graphics in the cpu

Is that normal, or do I need to manually install them

[grizzled bloom]

Which settings are you looking in

Windows or AMD?

And did you restart after installing?

[ocean cradle]

It was an auto driver installer (that I can't find out how to start it on my own) that did the work. After downloading all of it, it told me that everything was installed, but didn't restart, so I restarted it manually

Windows settings

[grizzled bloom]

Was it the AMD auto installer? Or a driver auto installed from windows update?

[ocean cradle]

It was one that came with the motherboard (Asrock b650m rs pro)

[grizzled bloom]

Ah so the asrock software

You'll want to grab the one from AMD, lots of fixes. It might fix your problem.

[ocean cradle]

Would I just look up Amd drivers?

[grizzled bloom]

It would be the version from this page https://www.amd.com/en/support/apu/amd-ryzen-processors/amd-ryzen-7-processors/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d

It doesn't need to match your cpu model exactly, it's the same driver for all 7000 chips

Oh in fact this was updated today

[ocean cradle]

Ok

[ocean cradle]

But mine is the AMD 5 ryzen 7600

[grizzled bloom]

Same driver still

[sudden creek]

Probably will is my guess.

[grizzled bloom]

Or... 13th gen will become the dumping ground for failed 14th gen silicon

[karmic perch]

14th looks the same as 13th

Anyone using AMD 3dx CPU? Is it stable?

[cursive epoch]

yes

i don't use it but they're stable

fast af in games

7800x3d is all you need

cuz unless tuned

7950x3d is slower

[karmic perch]

7800x3d is slow at working.

Yes it is good at gaming.

[amber canopy]

the 7800x3d isnt slow in any capacity lol

[cursive epoch]

it's not slow with workstation tasks at all

just that it isn't the best due to 8 cores

if you game and do workstation on the side

7950x3d is the answer

[grizzled bloom]

If you did go 7950X3D or 7900X3D the way to avoid the issues in some games is to assign the cores those games can use manually to the 3D cores, or disabled the non-3D CCD

[upper aspen]

i use 7800x3d and have only had one crash in like many months

[karmic perch]

I am worrieded about the stable, has any crash while using apps such as 3dsmax or adobe?

[cursive epoch]

Nope

Absolutely no issues

You can probably ask Felix since he probably does that kinda stuff and currently runs 7950x3d

[karmic perch]

ok

[grizzled bloom]

A very important thing to note is the 7950X will do the same work as the 13900K, but use almost half the power to do it

[karmic perch]

What Intel E-core use for?

[grizzled bloom]

Background tasks primarily

[karmic perch]

Can 7950x3d do the same job as E-core?

[grizzled bloom]

The e-cores are just regular cores set to run at a lower speed

They don't do anything special, they just conserve power, which AMD chips don't need to worry about

[karmic perch]

But why AMD plans to add E-cores to the next gen. I do not know it is true or rumor.

[cursive epoch]

It is true

They already did it with Ryzen Z1

And it's easier to cram in a bunch of slower or more compact cores and keeping some bigger, more performant cores which produces more heat and consume power to make up for the absence of said performance cores

In AMD's case they seem to be the same fundamentally, down to the ISA itself

Just that the efficient cores will be denser, smaller and clocked lower

[grizzled bloom]

That'll be on 9000 series

[cursive epoch]

On laptops it's 8000

[dull flint]

Wait

[grizzled bloom]

And some mobile chips before that yeah

[dull flint]

Hybrid architecture am5?

[cursive epoch]

aka 7950HX something like that

Yes, it's leaked before lel

[dull flint]

I don't keep up with this stuff anymore

[cursive epoch]

Early info of future releases

[dull flint]

I knew e cores were coming but not that soon

Makes it sound like 8000 is worth skipping

[cursive epoch]

Mobile is next gen high end

We'll see it in strix laptops I guess

Conveniently named Strix Point

[grizzled bloom]

What if I told you +15% IPC and +10% clock speed

[dull flint]

Yeah but like

[cursive epoch]

9000

[dull flint]

Am5 x3d already good

[cursive epoch]

imagine hybrid am5 with 3d

[dull flint]

You could say that over am4 like we did last year and my answer would be similar

[cursive epoch]

I've watched some vid about amd's solution to hybrid cpu

It's fascinating

Better implemented than Intel

[dull flint]

Intel has yet to do tile tho

[grizzled bloom]

Meteor lake laptops coming soon

[cursive epoch]

That's for 15th gen methinks

[dull flint]

Amd is better at chiplet but intel's tiles are better

[grizzled bloom]

*core ultra

[cursive epoch]

Foveros thingy

Fine, core ultra

[dull flint]

Intel icore 15

[grizzled bloom]

They're restarting the numbering so it's not really going to be called 15th gen

[cursive epoch]

I'm disappointed that Intel felt daring to release a refresh

Instead of holding out and waiting

[dull flint]

I was waiting for 100k ngl

99950HKX

[cursive epoch]

Core Ultra 9 190K Processor

kek

[grizzled bloom]

It was either refresh RPL or release MTL with 6p8e and get wrecked

[cursive epoch]

fair, but still

[dull flint]

MTL

[cursive epoch]

why refresh

to just keep it fresh?

to seem like they one upped amd

probably to charge people more money

[dull flint]

They need a midrange answer to x3d

That's probably part of the mo

[cursive epoch]

if 7600x3d was a thing

[grizzled bloom]

Meteor lake try to keep up ||jk||

[cursive epoch]

intel would probably die in midrange for a while

[dull flint]

A 14600k should do x3d perf

With a little tuning

[cursive epoch]

$125 board and $250-300 bucks x3d?

[grizzled bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/pingu-school-school-bell-ringing-the-bell-gif-22150054

[dull flint]

I mean 13600k can too but silicon binning means it's pot luck if you can't get close

[cursive epoch]

lmao

[dull flint]

Also temps and board

[cursive epoch]

7800x3d meanwhile is bone stock

doesn't need more than 88w

[dull flint]

Yes

[grizzled bloom]

13th gen prices are dropping, what do we do? Re-release it and charge full retail again!

[dull flint]

But remember intel hasn't done vcache yet

[cursive epoch]

right

[dull flint]

Or has, but not this

[cursive epoch]

and oc it a little bit

just 200mhz

[dull flint]

Guys guess my cpu temps after 24 hours

[cursive epoch]

uh

[grizzled bloom]

62

[cursive epoch]

64

[grizzled bloom]

lol

[dull flint]

36

[cursive epoch]

what

WHAT

[grizzled bloom]

bruh

[cursive epoch]

how the heck

[dull flint]

It's the same as it started

Cos 4 rads bruv

[cursive epoch]

oh lol

[dull flint]

I HATE THIS LIFE

But also

[cursive epoch]

that much cooling can cool a car

[dull flint]

Neato

[cursive epoch]

body temp cpu

[dull flint]

it dips to 30C every so often

[cursive epoch]

cold

[grizzled bloom]

You'll need this for the upcoming summer

🙃

[dull flint]

in like

6 weeks ye

could be better tho, the 7950x3d idles at 30C

but I could run that on a single tower comparatively

[grizzled bloom]

Maybe if you delid

[dull flint]

if I delid it'd be ambient temp all day

[cursive epoch]

i want winter to come

cuz laptop moment

it takes the thailand heat just fine tho

other than my hands feeling a bit too warm

no throttling ever but it's definitely radiating more heat to my hands

this is with the laptop laid on top of a deskmat

[dull flint]

https://youtu.be/RjnMpv6WKhY?si=zrCOxpyKQ5_1wSGl

Good video for anyone interested, but wanna highlight he uses multiple memory configs instead of 1:1 same intel and AMD, cos intel likes higher speed memory

he noted a good point, 14700k, near the same price as 7800x3d, but more multi-thread and same or slightly better/worse gaming performance

was good to see HUB kinda doing it too now

[karmic perch]

looks 7950x3d better than 14th?

[cursive epoch]

yes

[dull flint]

Meh

7800x3d and 14700K are a bit competitive

7950x3d still hasn't quite got the scheduling nailed down

[sudden creek]

Productivity apps like Adobe, Blender, Cad, etc does AMD or Intel win?

[dull flint]

Mixed bag

Cad is an intel win

Blender I believe amd

Adobe is either or I think?

But tbf unless you do like, insane stuff with adobe you won't notice a difference

[sudden creek]

Gotcha.

[karmic perch]

7950x3d price is high. Only save $20 a year on electric usage.🥹

[vast meadow]

7800x3d better in games and cheaper and save more money on electricity

[grizzled bloom]

Or 7900X3D

[vast meadow]

That one I'm not a huge fan of because it's essentially a 7600x3d while gaming

[grizzled bloom]

And what's wrong with that

Not like most games could use more than 6 threads anyway

[karmic perch]

That doesn’t save much

And 7800x3d is slow at work

[vast meadow]

I'm sure the other cores would be awoken if they needed it but i just dislike it I can't explain perfectly logically why, also it's more expensive than the 7800x3d

[vast meadow]

If you care about multi core just get a 7950x non 3d then

[dull flint]

The 7950x3d but not

Less core but plenty brr

Tho with 14700k around now that 7900x3d is totally pointless now

[vast meadow]

Basically, just some weird middle ground

[vast meadow]

True that too

[karmic perch]

14700k looks good ?

[grizzled bloom]

For production yes the 14700k would be good

It loses in gaming to the X3D chips by about 10% but has more threads for the price for work

[tranquil wolf]

is there a z790 refresh coming as well, since the 14th gen CPUs are out? I am looking to upgrade from a Z690

[burnt spear]

there's some new ones coming i believe

[grizzled bloom]

New models maybe but it would still only be Z790

What that means remains to be seen

[tranquil wolf]

just curious, since i am still using a DDR4 board atm, and would like to go w/ a Z790 DDR5 version

[scenic solar]

Voilà

That's some good amount of paste

[split copper]

He prefers bottom left

[burnt spear]

Z790 vs z690 doesn't really mean much unless you're ram tuning

I'd just get https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Xpnypg/asus-tuf-gaming-z690-plus-wifi-atx-lga1700-motherboard-tuf-gaming-z690-plus-wifi
Or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/K9Fbt6/msi-pro-z690-a-wifi-atx-lga1700-motherboard-pro-z690-a-wifi

This is also really nice https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rKGbt6/asrock-z690-pg-velocita-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z690-pg-velocita

[gusty ermine]

it doesnt mean much for that either depending

my z690 dark is almost as good as a z790 dark for ambient

[grizzled bloom]

Sure, but you're also comparing $600+ boards which already had really good memory traces. Most other models fixed up the traces in Z790.

[cerulean wadi]

Z790 definitely jacked up the max ram clock support overall.

[tranquil wolf]

My desire to go w/ a Z790 is to move from 3200 DDR4 to 5600 DDR5, i have heard that 12th and 13th gen Intels are hampered by the DDR4

[grizzled bloom]

Anything higher than a 12400 yes

And the 13400 is basically a 12600k without overclocking so...

[tranquil wolf]

12700K atm

[grizzled bloom]

Yep you're losing out on about 10-15% of performance

[tranquil wolf]

so yeah i need a DDR5 board lol

[burnt spear]

There are ddr5 z690s tho...

All of the three I linked

Also for ddr5, make sure you get 5600 mhz or higher cl32 or lower

There's a 6000c32 32gb kit for $84 rn in the us

Also don't get 16gb ddr5, either 2x8 or 1x16

8gb sticks are terrible, and single channel ram is terrible

Both will kneecap your cpu harder than dual channel ddr4 of any capacity

[tranquil wolf]

I actually already have the DDR5, it's a 2x32GB 5600 kit

and i just figured that z7790 would be an improvement/refinement

[grizzled bloom]

I would have gone with 2x24GB personally

There's no point getting Z790 over Z690 at that speed

[tranquil wolf]

these were ordered ages ago, when this particular kit was like $250 and was on sale for $130

[burnt spear]

64gb for $130 is really cheap

What's the timings on it?

Also yeah I second what fal said

Z790s got better at ram tuning, and running more sticks of ram

[tranquil wolf]

36-36-36-76, not the best

[burnt spear]

And pcie 5.0 but pcie 5.0 is pointless right now

Not terrible, I thought it's be c46, jedec kit

[tranquil wolf]

yeah i don't need pcie 5.0 for anything, likely won't for a while

[grizzled bloom]

samsung sticks prob

[burnt spear]

5600c36 64gb for $130 is crazy, if you'll make use of more than 32gb. If you're just gaming you won't though

[burnt spear]

Do the same speeds and timings holdup for the Samsung hynix thing for 32gb sticks?

Because I assumed 5600c34 would still be hynix, which I've only seen on 64gb kits

And some other weird timings I don't remember off the top of my head

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah it's just dual rank instead of single rank

8GB sticks are basically half a rank lol

[amber canopy]

im pretty sure there are 1Rx8 configuration 8GB ddr5 dimms

its just a 8Gb IC (ik the x8 doesnt refer to density)

right?

[grizzled bloom]

It's one rank but only half the banks are filled

Although there are sticks that do what you say

[dull flint]

the more I've learned about ddr5, the more I'm slowly coming to terms with 8gb sticks being actually kinda amazing in the right scenario

[grizzled bloom]

The right scenario being what exactly

[dull flint]

they're silly on any next-gen desktop, but laptops they're amazing

like

if you need 8gb? it's FAR better than ddr4

by a mile

try an all in one

or media pc

[grizzled bloom]

Laptops I can understand since they're way slower speed than desktop

[dull flint]

well, jedec but yeah

lots of 8gb ddr5 benchmarks on laptop

[long geyser]

Also worth noting that lots SODIMMs typically already have hecked bank groups no?

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah

[long geyser]

Like how often is it to see half banks on 16GB SODIMMs D5?

I havent kept up much on D5, esp SODIMM

[amber canopy]

oh you're talking about x16 bank dimms

i didnt read up in the chat before i asked thoguh maybe i shouldve lol

[long geyser]

Does anyone have test data of 2x8gb vs 1x16gb, bonus of also tested with 2x16gb for same testing methodology?

[dull flint]

I'm sure there's a better source, and I know despite what we discussed, but laptop reviews from jarrod's tech have 8gb vs 16gb

the difference is a few % in that scenario

[long geyser]

They dont really have what Im looking for afaik. They did 2x8gb vs 2x16gb.
Linus recently tried to push his Secret Shopper P2 vid (pulled it for some other issues) and made a point about wanting 2x8gb over 1x16gb. I want to know if that'll actually make a difference due to the bank group issue.

[dull flint]

oh ok

I mean idk

my first inclination is 4 channel vs 2

but yeah I'm not brushed up on the banking stuff

[long geyser]

With the few JT vids I've seen it seems like he only tested BG and channel independently, but never compared them with the same testing methodology. So cant really compare 1*1Rx8 vs 2*1Rx16 with his vids.

[dull flint]

ok fair enough

[naive pendant]

Is intel 14th gen on NewEgg yet

[cursive epoch]

Yes, but don't buy them

They're the same thing as 13th gen with very small oc that you can apply so easily

[compact zenith]

That issue with the Z690 Aorus motherboards, where using all four ram slots causes the motherboard to slow down and or crash. Was that ever fixed in the Z790 models?

[burnt spear]

That's not really an issue with them, most z690s just couldn't run 4 sticks of ddr5 well because of the stress it put on the imc

But yeah a lot of z790s don't have that issue anymore

[compact zenith]

Thank you.

[vast meadow]

The only one worth buying is the 14700k(f) if you do production and don't have the money for a 7950x(3d if also gaming)

If just gaming best options are 7600 + 7800x3d

[compact zenith]

Definitely gaming. Brb, getting the link

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1471700/Minicology/

It's a Starbound/Terraria clone, in a way, but MUCH better

Multiplayer also.

[compact zenith]

I9 not recommended?

Actually, I need to find out what she's actually playing, besides the beta. I built mine I9, just because I wanted to lol, and the price at the time was well worth it.

Thanks for the info Pato

Brb

[grizzled bloom]

The 14900k is a 13900k with +200 MHz which you can set yourself

[tranquil wolf]

how concerned should I be that a RAM kit is not listed on a mobo's Memory QVL page?

[split copper]

Not

[storm spoke]

not sure if this is the right channel, but im trying to run any mobile emulator (bluestacks, noxplayer, ldplayer) but will not let me because when i try to install it, it would BSOD my pc. After doing some research, turns out i need to turn off/on hyper v, but i checked my BIOS settings and there's no option for hyper v, any way i can bypass this or get it turned off/on?

[vast meadow]

0% as long as the cpu will be able to run the kit, ie not trying to run super high memory speeds on intel, and anything over like 6200mhz on ryzen (because of synced being better and it not able to run higher than that synced)

[tranquil wolf]

it'll be a 2x32GB DDR5 5600 kit on a 12700K

[burnt spear]

Yeah thats completely fine, as long as the mobo is ddr5

[tranquil wolf]

it is

[scenic iris]

What CPU and MOBO combo would you guys suggest for ~150 dollar budget?

[burnt spear]

Are you in the us?

And would you be willing to order off of tiktok shop, sold by newegg?

[scenic iris]

I am in the US

[burnt spear]

If so, you can get a 12100f for $56 after a new user coupon

Which is incredible value

[scenic iris]

i3, i5, i7?

[split copper]

i3

[scenic iris]

That's crazy good still

What Mobo would go well with it? And how long does the sale last?

[burnt spear]

That mobo, I would make a second account so you can get the new user coupon twice

[burnt spear]

We have no clue

It could end tonight it could end in a month

[scenic iris]

I hope it ends in a month cus I don't get payed for another 2 weeks 😭

[burnt spear]

While it is an i3, it would be fine to pair with a 6700xt/3070 at 1080p

[burnt spear]

Just dm me, ping me, or ask here when you're ready to buy

[scenic iris]

I'm not looking for a crazy set up, I'm using a GTX 960 4gb card for the build

[burnt spear]

Therve been few sales like this on tiktok shop

[scenic iris]

Thanks yo

[burnt spear]

The best we've seen is a 5500 at $60 and a very nice b550 for $50

[pallid thicket]

fellow nerds. 2 builds, one with a 3090 and one with a 2080ti. what AMD CPU would you pair with both to not be CPU bound in most games?

two separate builds*

[burnt spear]

7600 for both

Though depends if you're just gaming or not

[pallid thicket]

7600x? and is that overspending or the ultimate value pick... goal is value and not bottlenecking GPU

and yes just gaming

[burnt spear]

7600 non x and 7800x3d are the best cpus for gaming right now (7600 isn't actually second best, but value wise. And 7800x3d is the best for gaming)

You can pair a 7600 with a 7900xtx or 4080 and not have a very noticeable bottleneck

Also, there's $110-125 mobo options that are fine for a 7950x3d

[pallid thicket]

epic, thank you sir! exactly what i needed

[burnt spear]

Btw do you want mobo+ ram reccs too?

[pallid thicket]

yes please

[burnt spear]

Cool, do you care about looks?

And are you looking for anything specific on the mobos?

Like multiple m.2 slots or anything like that

[pallid thicket]

nope, unless the mobo/ram is like ultra cringe

[burnt spear]

Wifi built in?

[pallid thicket]

no need for multiple m.2 slots, no need for wifi

[burnt spear]

Kk uno momento

Here you go https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zkHPFs

Could spend $150 on the msi b650m-a wifi

Bit better of a board

[pallid thicket]

you da man. thanks a bunch!

[burnt spear]

Np!

[grand elk]

Any suggestions for what to pair with 4070ti and 13700k? Mobo and RAM

[cursive epoch]

are the gpu and cpu bought?

if you plan to game with that setup, there's better value options

[grand elk]

Gpu is but cpu is not

[cursive epoch]

alright

i'd suggest you to return it if you want, but anyway

lemme make a quick list of parts you requested

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LjLyWt

white themed

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PWPfdH

and black

ram should be 6000 cl30

or you can go for 5600 t-create kit if you wanna save cash and tune the ram

[grand elk]

How much stronger is that ryzen compared to the 13700k? Also is there something wrong with the 4070ti?

[cursive epoch]

nope, just bad price for the gaming perf it offers

6950xt/7900xt could do similar, worse in rt but it doesn't matter too much

7800x3d is the best gaming cpu there is as of current

you can also sometimes get 7900xtx for same price, or less than 4070ti

the xtx beats 4080

7900xt around 4080 if i remember right

nope, just leads 4070ti while being cheaper

[burnt spear]

What is your budget for the entire pc build

Foxys lists are good btw, can def go cheaper though

[grand elk]

It’s an existing build. I just need to upgrade cpu, mobo and RAM. Maybe PSU depending on components.

I’ve only ever had intel cpu, not familiar with AMD at all

[burnt spear]

What power supply do you have?

And how much do you want to spend?

[grand elk]

Corsair 850x, I believe that’s correct

[burnt spear]

Rm850x?

You can run a 4090 on that easily

Let alone a 4070 ti, you're good

[grand elk]

Yea that sounds right. Sorry forgot the Rm

[burnt spear]

You're good

[burnt spear]

Are you just gaming?

If so, then 13700k is not a great choice. 7800x3d beats the 14900k in gaming

And 7600 is $220 and like 5% worse, which isn't very noticeable

[grand elk]

Yeah just gaming

[dull flint]

The experience of both AMD and Intel on the modern platform is basically identical if you never knew what was in the box

Very very subtle if anything, differences

Imo if all you're doing is gaming you don't need an i7, i5 at best, ryzen 5 would save you more

[burnt spear]

Oh just one more question, you do have an ssd right?

[grand elk]

So with intel you’re just paying extra, just because? Lol

I do, m.2 and sata ssd

[burnt spear]

Alr that's good

Then I would go 7600 or 7800x3d, do you have a preference for any aesthetic?

White, black, both, rgb, etc

And yeah, intel is great for multi core loads atm

14700k, 13600k, and 13900k are great value if you're doing workstation tasks

[grand elk]

Not really. I currently have rgb ram but it’s not needed. Just want most value without breaking the break

Was leaning towards intel because I’ve always had it.

Might stay intel considering what you just said about the work station stuff. I use it for work and gaming

[burnt spear]

Ok then one minute, I'll make you two lists

[burnt spear]

Wait I lied one more question, do you need wifi on mobo?

[grand elk]

WiFi is not needed

[burnt spear]

Alright, and do you plan to cpu overclock

Or do you want the option to in the future

[grand elk]

Option would be nice, don’t think I plan on doing it right away

[burnt spear]

Option A https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fb9KqR
B https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BkBv4M
C https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8LR4pB

Though that third list depends on your case

If your case can't fit a 360mm aio, you'd either want a new case or a smaller aio

14700k needs atleast a 280mm aio for multi core loads, it's a hot cpu

Same with 13700k, and you can do 13700k if you want to, it's cheap enough that it's not a bad choice over 13600kf/14700kf

$364

[grand elk]

I currently have a 360mm aio

I got a Lian li case before it was super popular lol

[burnt spear]

What's the aio?

Could probably carry it over, but you'd need to contact the manufacturer for an lga 1700 mounting bracket

[grand elk]

Deepcool, castle?

[burnt spear]

Castle ex?

Not a bad aio, not the best but its not known for dying

So I'd contact deepcool for a mounting bracket and just use that

[dull flint]

2 reasons, being you pay more for the higher cooling power needed and better workstation performance, and also the platform costs a lot more

Meanwhile AMD their current gen scales a bit better even down to the lower end

So you can just chill on a r5 7600 with a 4070ti no problems

But you can run it with the box cooler or a cheap tower, and a cheap motherboard, unlike a 13600K (and certainly unlike the 13700K)

So really you just save money if it's a gaming situation, because the benefits you could otherwise get with Intel have very little weight in this scenario, not worth the 3 figure differences anyway

[grand elk]

So intel is the Nintendo of console gaming? Because Nintendo has an absurd amount of accessories and their controllers are expensive compared to Microsoft and Sony

Being Xbox and PlayStation

[burnt spear]

Felix explained all of that perfectly

[dull flint]

Kinda? Like, intel is still good, just give yourself a good reason to need that extra

[burnt spear]

Wouldn't necessarily say that, more like the BMW of cpus?

[dull flint]

Yeah bmw is a bit better

Like BMW's are good, but if you just need a car, get a toyota

Sort of thing

[grand elk]

Gotcha gotcha

[dull flint]

Both the current gen amd and intel platforms behave very similarly otherwise

Really serious in that you wouldn't know which is which when you were dailying it

[grand elk]

Makes sense. I appreciate all of the help and suggestions

[dull flint]

All good

Ask me anything, I daily both platforms

[winged marsh]

Hello all, I am building my own Gaming PC and I recently bought the ASUS ROG Maximus Z790 Hero (WiFi 6E) LGA 1700(Intel 14th & 13th&12th Gen) ATX gaming motherboard(PCIe 5.0,DDR5,20+1power stages,2.5Gb LAN, Bluetooth V5.2,2x Thunderbolt 4 ports,5xM.2/NVMe SSD,Thunderbolt 4 USB Type-C without realizing that intel motherboards are not compatible with my build and wanted to find a compatible AMD motherboard of equal or greater quality to replace it, does anyone have any good suggestions for me?

[cursive epoch]

what cpu do you have

[winged marsh]

AMD Ryzen 9 7900X - 12-Core 4.7 GHz - Socket AM5 - 170W Desktop Processor (100-100000589WOF)

[cursive epoch]

a620m pro rs will more than suffice

unless you really need the extra io and ssd slots

there's other options, but you shouldn't need to spend over $200 on any am5 boards

[winged marsh]

okay, I'll look into that, thank you so much

I don't know much about computers but my goal is to play most games comofortably on the highest settings

[cursive epoch]

is this purely gaming pc?

have you bought anything else but cpu and board?

[winged marsh]

I have the power supply, the cooling system, the case of course, I had already purchased the other motherboard, my next purchase was going to be the SSD

which I have picked out

and then after that the GPU, I'm going one piece at a time because these things are expensive

I also obviously have the CPU I mentioned above

[cursive epoch]

hmmn

[winged marsh]

The SSD I'm planning is SAMSUNG 850 PRO 2.5" 2TB SATA III 3D NAND Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-7KE2T0BW

and then a GForce videocard

[cursive epoch]

you can instead get msi m450 for the ssd

intel 670p, team group mp33, silicon power a60 and such

they're all solid choices

in this day and age, there's no point in buying a sata ssd when nvme drives are available for cheap

return your z790 board and get the asrock a620m pro rs wifi

gpu we can talk later if you have a solid budget

which specific cooler did you get? just curious

[winged marsh]

NZXT Kraken Z Series Z73 360mm - RL-KRZ73-01 - AIO RGB CPU Liquid Cooler

Thank you so much for the info!!

[cursive epoch]

that's adequate for the cpu

very expensive for what it is but if you like it a lot, then enjoy it

[winged marsh]

I just want something solid that will last and have high performance

[cursive epoch]

i honestly would suggest you return cpu and cooler, swap for a dual tower air cooler or a thermalright frozen notte. then cpu to 7800x3d

leaves you with hundreds of dollars more

all for the gpu

7800x3d is ryzen 7 by name but it beats 7900x by far in gaming

you didn't mention ram, have you bought any yet?

[winged marsh]

I actually got the G.SKILL Flare X5 Series AMD EXPO 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000 Desktop Memory Model F5-6000J3636F16GX2-FX5 free with the CPU

I figured that would do the job

[burnt spear]

Check out the thermalright scenic v2

It has the same lcd display as nzxt aios