7s 8 core, and I think 9 has varied but I think the lowest has been 8 core
#cpus-mobo-and-memory
burnt spear
burnt spear
Wattage and a small clock difference
7600 with unlocked wattage is basically the same thing
It's even less of a difference between 5600 and 5600x
olive totem
i figured it was something like that
green torrent
Question: can XPG ddr4 ram be installed in the Skytech Chronos gaming pc?
sudden creek
Question: can XPG ddr4 ram be installed in the Skytech Chronos gaming pc?
So long as the pc has a board that uses DDR4 ram then yes.
tidal hound
oh my
tawny frigate
tawny frigate
what's the price?
$400 USD
cursive epoch
that's pretty decent
tawny frigate
cursive epoch
if there's any amd am5 bundles though, i'd suggest you getting them if you're gaming
dull flint
Mid ram but great deal
tawny frigate
Im casually looking. Currently on a 8700 and 2070…system is starting to show its age in newer games
Trying to find a good deal. And strongly considering going SFF.
dull flint
Assume 90-ish for the ram
Prolly 150-ish for the board
So about 160 for the cpu
It's pretty solid
tawny frigate
Sounds like a good deal
tawny frigate
Id need to commit to a standard sized build?
dull flint
Ye
Sff isn't cheap my friend
Also 12900k, that wants a serious cooler
I'd do like, thermalright frozen notte 360 with that
Doesn't need anything super crazy but definitely wants a proper cooler
tawny frigate
I’d get a good cooler for sure. I want my next build to be cool and quiet.
I could use that bundle + my current 2070 for a while, right?
dull flint
Sure
There also exist atx mobo sff builds
But like, I can't really think of any that can handle a full aio with it
dull flint
You might get lucky and find one that does a 280/360 aio, then a atx mobo but itx psu
tawny frigate
Im also considering getting a cheaper am5 and upgrading again later
dull flint
Am5 would definitely be easier to do
But I'd do a non-X cpu with it
They run cooler for basically the same performance
So low profile coolers work
And work very well
There's also a lot of cheap matx board, which work with a lot of mff/sff combos
tawny frigate
Maybe i don’t have to go full fledge SFF but would still like something smaller
tawny frigate
Nzxt h5 maybe. Or something smaller?
tawny frigate
Yea but smaller?
dull flint
Lemme have a look
tawny frigate
Then also the H1 or Fractal Terra
I got a remote job and will be doing some driving/traveling staying in airbnbs long term. So a SFF pc could be the way for me
dull flint
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/b4pQzy/jonsbo-c6-microatx-mini-tower-case-c6-white
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pfvdnQ/sama-im01-microatx-mini-tower-case-im01
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fPZ9TW/asus-prime-ap201-microatx-mini-tower-case-ap201blkmesh
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8qRwrH/jonsbo-d31-mesh-microatx-mini-tower-case-d31-mesh-black
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rRWzK8/jonsbo-d30-microatx-mini-tower-case-d30-black
Few example of small form factor but micro atx
D31/D30 is borderline mff
tawny frigate
Is it basically like, medium form?
dull flint
The d30 and d31 kinda are
But the c6 is definitely tiny
Im01 is tiny
Ap201 mff for sure
tawny frigate
I don’t know how to decide haha
dull flint
Find a style you like my guy
Im01 is like a bigger terra without the wood inserts
But these are just food for thought, cos you might like something without the itx motherboard which costs a fortune
Might save you a lot if you really like one of these, for a slightly larger footprint
tawny frigate
Good to know, I’ll look into that. It doesn’t have to be tiny but I don’t want a behemoth. I’m willing to spend extra for quality though
dull flint
Ye, I gotcha
tawny frigate
Any go to smaller parts? Like gpu known to work well in smaller cases
Im guessing gpu will be the most likely thing to be too large
dull flint
Hmmm
I don't really think about gpu
For sff
Whatever is biggest for the case tbh
But not any case that just outright only allows like, single fan gpus
tawny frigate
Single fan = generally smaller?
dull flint
Smaller, much lower power
If you put the money into sff you should at least have decent gpu power imo
Or go even smaller for all in one
dull flint
All in one?
Oh mb
Yeah aio's are also all in ones
But I meant like
Basic work computers
Not really the right word sorry
But yeah I'd land on a case that can fit at least a decent mid range gpu
So like, 3060 upwards
Or 6600xt/5700xt
dull flint
Ye
I'd aim for like
A 280mm clearance for the gpu at a minimum for high end
322mm+ would be ideal
tawny frigate
Thanks for your help, I’m liking the case options
Could save some money with mATX it seems and still be kinda small
dull flint
Ye man, might be a good tradeoff for ya 
tawny frigate
@dull flint just stumbled upon this
dull flint
Ye ap201 is really nice
D31 is very much the same style but with a glass side instead
Very practical cases in a small-ish size
tawny frigate
I’m shying away from glass. My current rig has no side due to it being shattered lol
dull flint
Oh lord
Fair enough LOL
They're very much the same though
Fit full high end pc inside
Use standard size parts
Half the size of a standard pc
If not less
The mesh would be a little nicer for performance though
Easier for the pc to breathe
A bit more cleaning involved tho
dull flint
Couldn't say how good it would be with dogs sorry 💀
The D31 has a fine filter on the bottom tho
Which from me using it myself, could say that would definitely prevent fur
Run all your intake from the bottom
But it's got glass lol
Use it like an o11, 3 intake on the bottom, 3 exhaust out the top
wind karma
IM01 is pretty neat
matx mobo + atx psu in ~20L
granted its a squeeze but it does work for a small budget build
the 4 side panels have removeable mesh filters, so you can filter your intake and leave exhaust more open
olive totem
hyte 40 looks so good i want to do a build just like this in the future
sudden creek
Looks awesome.
graceful elm
do you guys think its worth going from a 5800xt to a 7800xt3D for the new cyberpunk dlc? i love cyberpunk so id love to keep playing with the graphics all the way up
dull flint
do you guys think its worth going from a 5800xt to a 7800xt3D for the new cyberp...
Cyberpunk is extremely gpu dependent
If you're considering an upgrade then a cpu change would be marginal for just that game
graceful elm
ive just been seeing things about it being really cpu dependent for the new update
dull flint
ive just been seeing things about it being really cpu dependent for the new upda...
Oh I wouldn't know
Historically it's been probably the most gpu heavy game in a long time lol
New dlc tho, I have no clue
grizzled bloom
The new update does hit the CPU more. But if you're above 1080p then it won't matter much.
graceful elm
how so?
grizzled bloom
If you're at 1440p on anything less than a 4080 then you're probably GPU bound still
graceful elm
man thats painful to hear
olive totem
If you're at 1440p on anything less than a 4080 then you're probably GPU bound s...
is the y40 bad for thermals
its like the only decent red case i can find
grizzled bloom
Kinda but not enough to matter if the cooler on the GPU is decent enough
olive totem
Kinda but not enough to matter if the cooler on the GPU is decent enough
cause this is the dream build right here
it was out of my original budget so i never went with it
its something i can slowly work my way towards now
dull flint
is the y40 bad for thermals
Far better than Y60 if you're into those sorts of cases
olive totem
Far better than Y60 if you're into those sorts of cases
i wanted a red/black case with decent thermals, of which there are like 2, the y40/60
and like EVERYONE uses the y60
and 200 for a case is unreasonable
dull flint
Totally agree
It's decent enough if you're into it
Not gonna say it's terrible cos those Y40's do hit an aesthetic niche
olive totem
mhm
grizzled bloom
As a Torrent owner I disagree, but I might be biased
dull flint
If you like torrents yeah?
olive totem
i eventually want to do a red/black theme for my setup
dull flint
Lol
olive totem
As a Torrent owner I disagree, but I might be biased
i dont get it
dull flint
I'm here with my o11 evo
grizzled bloom
Not many cases can fit a liquid freezer 420mm
dull flint
Yes but your 5800x is some weird venusian martian
grizzled bloom
I need a massive expensive case so I can overclock my CPU because I like seeing numbers go up for that dopamine hit
olive totem
Not many cases can fit a liquid freezer 420mm
420? damn
grizzled bloom
Nothing a dremel won't fix
dull flint
Well start dremelling /s
grizzled bloom
Sure. Can I borrow yours?
olive totem
As a Torrent owner I disagree, but I might be biased
this guy?
grizzled bloom
I'll just go for a quick swim, be there in a jiffy
olive totem
oh i just realized this isnt #cases-psu-and-cooling
ive been typing this in cpu
whoops
grizzled bloom
Eh, it's part of the natural progression of the conversation
dapper oriole
Repasted my cpu now no display gpu fans are spinning tho
tawny frigate
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dkTk6D this is my shopping list atm. Unsure of best mobo
And PSU 🤔
silk jungleBOT
How to clear CMOS (works for AMD and Intel)
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025368/processors.html
burnt spear
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dkTk6D this is my shopping list atm. Unsure of bes...
do you alr own the gpu?
tawny frigate
do you alr own the gpu?
Ye, my plan is to use it until I lose my patience with whatever new title and decide to splurge on an upgrade.
burnt spear
alr but you do plan to upgrade gpu?
burnt spear
do you need ram/ssd too?
tawny frigate
I need ram. I have a fairly new 2.5” SSD
tawny frigate
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mZWQqR
Thx a bunch I will review this
burnt spear
Thx a bunch I will review this
np, any questions feel free to ask
oh just to explain the aio
lf2 has a slight issue that makes it good for am4, but no so great on am5 and lga1700
so the notte 360 would be better than lf2 280 and cheaper
though I'm not sure how it'll fit in the ap201, might want to look that up just to see if it's weird
i know it will fit, just might be annoying or inconvenient
tawny frigate
Im guessing psu would probably need to go in the middle position. Cpu cooler taking up top space, GPU potentially reaching too long down low
burnt spear
are you set on the ap201?
burnt spear
kk one sec lemme finish this game
so due to the IHS thickness on am5, cooler doesn't really change much
I'd go down to notte 240 and stick with ap201
sudden creek
@burnt spear, AM5 CPUs have a really thick IHS right? Instead of popping the IHS off for direct die I was wondering if the safest option would be to just sand the IHS down to a very thin thickness. Just curious.
tawny frigate
I'd go down to notte 240 and stick with ap201
This would allow me to put the psu in the top position, correct? Which seems easiest
burnt spear
This would allow me to put the psu in the top position, correct? Which seems eas...
Believe so
burnt spear
<@654444344274845698>, AM5 CPUs have a really thick IHS right? Instead of poppi...
Not a clue, id ask felix pato or sips
Plenty others here with the knowledge too
sudden creek
Any idea why they even gave am5 CPUs such a large IHS?
burnt spear
Not really, I don't know much about the inner workings of cpus
dull flint
So am4 was cross compatible.
tawny frigate
https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-Liquid-Freezer-All-One/dp/B07WSDLRVP/ref=asc_df_B07WSDLRVP/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=385191927323&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=7529805124713128819&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1026248&hvtargid=pla-837029689325&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=82240853001&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=385191927323&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=7529805124713128819&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1026248&hvtargid=pla-837029689325 would this be a goood choice of cooler? Is it better quality than the notte?
burnt spear
https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-Liquid-Freezer-All-One/dp/B07WSDLRVP/ref=asc_df_B0...
Not for am5
Notte or ls520 would be a better choice
Notte is just super cheap and is within a few degrees of the best aios, so it's very good value
Or you can get a $35 air cooler and have it perform as good as the ls520
tawny frigate
Sounds good
burnt spear
Sounds good
For air cooler, thermalright has a lot of good options
Across every budget option they're pretty much the best for coolers right now, it's kinda crazy
Only thing they lose in is premium aios, deepcool ek lian li and arctic edge them out in that, but also at a hefty price premium
tawny frigate
For air cooler, thermalright has a lot of good options
Other than saving like $50, is there any reason I shouldn’t get an AIO?
burnt spear
Air coolers have a longer life expectancy
If you decide for an air cooler, I'd go for either https://pcpartpicker.com/product/K6sV3C/thermalright-frost-tower-120-82-cfm-cpu-cooler-ft120
grizzled bloom
A good air cooler is as good as a decent 240mm aio under load
burnt spear
^
cerulean wadi
It's amazing what heatpipes can do, plus people don't realize a simple aio can only do so much w/ similar mass of the rad/heatsink. 
scenic solar
Got some questions about my 5600x, on this CPU the boost clock for 1 core is 4.6ghz max (mine goes up to 4.65). Meanwhile I read that all core load should be able to provide a max of 4.3GHz, is that right? Because my cpu stops just before 3.9GHz under full load (p95)... Is there something wrong with it?
Xmp is enabled, bios CPU boost profile is disabled
In bios
dull flint
so these chips are advertised to boost up to a certain point with their algorithm
based on load and temperature
if your cooling isn't up to par, it will adjust downwards until it stabilised
scenic solar
Rn it stays under 63C
dull flint
interesting
it should be going up to 90C
it should boost until 4.65 all cores but still under 90C if the cooling is sufficient
did you enable PBO?
or are you limited to 65W rn?
scenic solar
Pbo is off, not limited to 65w, everything stock in bios and the max power consumption is 78w
Which I read it's the typical one for full load
scenic solar
100w they often refer to OCed ones, or sometimes they say that's the CPU power consumption when it's actually total system power consumption
Anyways cinebench score looks good and about -4% both single and multi core compared to online scores
But I feel like it should boost more under full load
dull flint
OC'd is literally PBO
you don't do all core OC on Ryzen
well, Zen 2 or 3 anyway
it yeets the scalar and causes degradation right quick
I would be under the impression that there's a second or third option not flipped for pbo to work properly on your board or something like that
cos a 5900X is dual ccd and can do 220W under pbo, a 5600X should be able to do 105W unless something else is holding it back
maybe the vrm's just aren't up to par and they're throttling?
some am4 mobos were terrible and shipped with like, literally a couple of vrm stages
scenic solar
You're telling me to turn on pbo?
scenic solar
Got a b550 gaming plus, but never had problems with the vrms since my 3600x used much more power and sometimes went up to 105w
I never used pbo on my 3600x so I'm not sure what's going on
I had a manual overclock and undervolt too later on
Also in MSI click bios 5 there is CPU game boost option near xmo but always heard not to turn it on because it just degrades performance. Is that true?
dull flint
likely yeah
I would do pbo manually not any ai or marketing auto nonsense
cos yeah you want scalar to stay at 1x
scenic solar
Pbo is set to auto, do I just go enabled? There are also enhanced mode 1/2/3/4 + advanced
dull flint
ye enable it
scenic solar
I don't get why thi b550 has like 4 different overclocking sections
dull flint
I'm not familiar with b550 msi, you'd ask someone like @limpid warren for that
but advanced lets you manually set all the power limits
ppc, ppt, edc(??? been a minute sorry)
dull flint
how fast is it going
scenic solar
And 135w
scenic solar
4.4-4.45 all core
dull flint
that's it
yeah it's just you're not using pbo for it
stock you'll get lower numbers
scenic solar
That's wayy too much anyways
I mean if rather sacrifice some performance rather gan have it thermal throttle or be loud
dull flint
yea
that's why amd ships with pbo off
zen 4 they dropped the ball on that, shipped all cpus with them basically yeeted for pbo out the gate instead and then stock is now "eco mode"
scenic solar
3.9GHz was really low... Usually 1+ core load limits the clock to .2GHz less
So 4.6 boost and -.2 is 4.4
I should probably do manual overclock and undervolt
Because this is too much
Would you recommend a static clock?
scenic solar
- static voltage
Or should I use offset
dull flint
back to the whole, degradation thing
static voltage also enables all core oc
offset shouldn't
but idk if msi works the same as other brands I've used
scenic solar
On my 3600x I had static 4.3ghz and static 1.2v
I'll run CB to see what this power hungry pbo does to my score
dull flint
should go up by quite a bit lol
scenic solar
Didn't complete yet but I already see a 1k points improvement
But uses a lot more power
Not sure how much since hwinfo starts sleeping when I run CB
There's this on thing that triggered me in CB before I enabled pbo, test is at like 3 seconds remaining but the CPU starts another render 
The timing was just perfect
Got 11.5k CB
scenic solar
Exactly
Not worth it absolutely
dull flint
but yea you could turn off pbo if you wanted too
certainly for games it does very little
scenic solar
I feel like a 3600x would achieve the same performance if it had the capacity to get those boost clocks
Also what voltage should I be looking at in hwinfo for core voltage?
I was told a long time ago which one to look because there was like an imprecise one or something. But I forgot obviously
dull flint
so pbo and stock will use the standard vid tables, and the cpu will only use what's needed
you can have idle as high as like
1.5V
scenic solar
Btw p95 is like crazily power addicted but CB just stops at around 110w instead of 130w for p95
dull flint
and load as low as like
0.9V
yea P95 is pretty stonks lol
it hits intel a lot harder than ryzen tho
dull flint
I wouldn't worry about what voltages the cpu uses and just let the board auto it's way through on stock/pbo
all core oc you could test for like, brief benching?
scenic solar
Cb was like running 80c, p95 just said time to thermal throttle
dull flint
but otherwise I'd avoid it for worries over degradation
scenic solar
In hwinfo there is core VIDs that's the same as CPU core voltage, soc voltage, and CPU core VID (effective).
Well soc is not the core voltage I'm dumb
dull flint
ye soc is separate
scenic solar
Yeah but what voltage should I look at?
On idle "core VIDs" show about 1v, meanwhile "cpu core voltage (SVI2 TFN)" shows about 1.325v.
CPU core VID effective shows about the same as the previous one I mentioned
dull flint
On idle "core VIDs" show about 1v, meanwhile "cpu core voltage (SVI2 TFN)" shows...
ye SVI2 is the main one
scenic solar
Ok, now I'll try and do some overclock as well as undervolt to get the temperatures down a bit. When doing so should I disable pbo?
dull flint
noooo
only do pbo for overclocking
do not do any other way
you will degrade the cpu
dull flint
non-pbo cpu oc sends the current scalar through the roof and disables protections
offset is probably ok in conjunction with pbo, but make sure you test that it specifically is working with pbo
you will know because the cpu will throttle at 90C
offset is also very similar to curve optimiser just not a per core offset
scenic solar
Ok, my concern was that pbo and a curve offset would have not been compatible
dull flint
nah you use curve optimiser for that really
scenic solar
Nah
I prefer it to be bios stuff, not software.
scenic solar
curve optimiser is bios
I don't know if I have that in my bios
scenic solar
I read a post and they say I have to set pbo to advanced in order to get curve optimizer
Right?
dull flint
ye
that's right
and you'll want to stability test curve optimising
cos it plays with the vid tables on each core (or all cores)
some like more voltage than others to reach the 5600X spec
so your mileage will vary to everyone else
scenic solar
This is what I get in the settings if that helps
dull flint
yep there it is
curve optimiser
it's own section
so you can set pbo limits to whatever you like
set overdrive scalar to 1x
always do the above^
boost clock override you can set to whatever it likes stable
+200MHz is the limit
and then throttle limit you could change from 90C if you wanted to
scenic solar
Do I set all cores for CO?
dull flint
you can
scenic solar
Or per core
dull flint
it depends how sane you want to be after this
curve optimiser tuning is a lot of work
I'd argue almost as bad as a full ram tune
scenic solar
dull flint
negative sign
then adjust magnitude as you find stable
you'll want some proper tools for this stuff just a warning
scenic solar
Oh
Hap bdai
Hehe
How much magnitude should I start with?
dull flint
I would say like, 10 is pretty safe
scenic solar
you'll want some proper tools for this stuff just a warning
What do you mean by that?
dull flint
10 negative
dull flint
What do you mean by that?
you want to stability test this pretty thoroughly
using like
corecycler
or occt
otherwise you'll bugger up your windows with watchdog timeouts
scenic solar
How much time do you think all of this is going to take (to do a good undervolt)?
dull flint
probably a few days to a week
hence why I keep cautioning you to it 
if you wanted to go to the very deepest you could, weeks and weeks
scenic solar
Nah nah nah
Too much time
Need t have a stable and nicely working pc, I ain't doing it today then
Have a lot of important work to do and it's better not to have pc crashing
I should probably stick to a static voltage if I'm able to get like 4.6ghz and 1.2v or slightly more
dull flint
if you want it to degrade in a couple months yea
scenic solar
Someone said on a post he achieved static 4.6 with 1.27
dull flint
I'm dead serious static voltage, all core oc, static clocks, all ruin zen 3 very fast
scenic solar
Shouldn't that be good?
dull flint
noooo
cos scalar 10x
much more current through the chip than it can handle cos it's unlocked
the voltage doesn't kill it it's the current
scenic solar
I'm dead serious static voltage, all core oc, static clocks, all ruin zen 3 very...
But is it about zen3 only? Because I Always heard 3600/x was ok with a low static voltage
scenic solar
So how am I supposed to do the overclock that gets me like 4.6ghz single core 4.4 all with a offset?
dull flint
and again it's the current that kills it not the voltage
dull flint
So how am I supposed to do the overclock that gets me like 4.6ghz single core 4....
pbo
no other safe way
period lol
scenic solar
You mean PBO with the underovlt the way you were telling me to do it before?
dull flint
ye
scenic solar
Or would there be another way?
dull flint
no other way
dull flint
cos all other ways use either excessively expensive motherboards or unlock the current limiter
dull flint
yea you could do that
scenic solar
That's the best option imo
dull flint
set your throttle temp to around the point of about 100W equivalent in your temps
so say 100W is about 78C
set throttle to 78C with pbo
easily done
scenic solar
Why that? I mean does it really matter if I set a temp limit or a consumption limit?
dull flint
idk can you set a consumption limit?
scenic solar
Yes
dull flint
I know you can definitely do temp limit
scenic solar
I did see the setting somewhere
dull flint
oh then do that then lol
scenic solar
Do I set PBO back to enabled instead of adv?
Well I don't think it matters
Advanced just unlocks those few more settings right?
Like CO
dull flint
advanced would be the right option
advanced should just allow the change from the enabled settings if needed
like power limits
scenic solar
Is AMD CBS basically CPU configuration but from the motherboard manufacturer?
That's where I found the power limit
@dull flint there also is the thermal limit/throttling but I feel like it's not really that good since o could be adjusting the fan speeds and get different temperatures idk
scenic solar
Thanks brother, cya
With the 100w limit I got the same score as before in cb
And 90w is like 300 points back but still much better temps
long yew
main pulsar
took long enough
cyan raft
I found my next stupid purchase
tidal hound
thats so rad
cursive epoch
it's so cpu
silent plaza
grizzled bloom
3600 c18 is better for ryzen because the infinity fabric can run at a higher speed, which directly affects CPU performance. If it's less than a $5 difference I'd go 3600 over 3200.
dull flint
Ye only worth for a couple dollars if anything for 3600
Cos that's the literal percentage increase, it's pennies worth
sudden creek
Any updates on 8000 series Ryzen or 14th gen Intel?
sudden creek
I see. So those won't be out for a long long time then.
Wondering because things are looking very positive work wise meaning I may be able to do more then just a GPU upgrade.
Do you think 14th gen will do better then 7000 series when paired with a 4090?
sudden creek
What about non x3D?
burnt spear
Non x3d it's already kinda even, but am5 wins in price/perf
Not for multi core though
sudden creek
Interesting I just looked at the Blender Benchmarks and the 7950x3D and 7950x to my surprise perform very close to each other.
Does the 4090 have any bottlenecks with the 7950x3D?
burnt spear
Depends on exact scenario
But for your use case there literally isn't a better cpu
And that's because the extra l3 cache doesn't help workload/multi core perf
sudden creek
What motherboards do you guys recommend for a 7950x3D with at least 4 M.2 slots and OC in mind? Preferably sub-400$.
dull flint
7950x3d and oc don't go together in the same sentence
sudden creek
Can't the 7950x3D be overclocked?
Was looking at the site and it says it has PBO enabled.
dull flint
it can if you spend a fortune on the motherboard
grizzled bloom
Any updates on 8000 series Ryzen or 14th gen Intel?
Last I heard on Ryzen 8000 it's expected Q1 next year, so January-ish, or as late as March if it's delayed again. It's supposedly about a 20% increase over 7000. No 8000X3D chips are expected.
dull flint
it's not worth the fortune spent tho
sudden creek
Why a fortune?
dull flint
even the most basic asrock boards can yield some insane results
dull flint
Why a fortune?
it's locked for OC
the expensive boards has eclk chips
which bypass the lock
sudden creek
Oh, why does amd say it's unlocked then?
dull flint
idk, but X3D is extremely voltage sensitive
so much so that even setting a low static voltage can kill one in under a minute
sudden creek
Oh.....
dull flint
they lock it down for a reason
sudden creek
Yeah I don't think I will oc the 7950x3D then based on what you're saying.
grizzled bloom
PBO is unlocked, just not voltage control
dull flint
eclk can bypass this with bclk oc, but you gain very very little for what a few hundred dollars?
sudden creek
Yeah not worth it.
dull flint
it's terribly not worth it
meanwhile a $125 asrock hdv can do 6400 CL30 tuned
which is about as good as it gets for ryzen ram oc
that sort of tune can also be done in under a day
sudden creek
What do you guys recommend board wise then that has
- 4 M.2 slots
- Preferably metallic in Black or Black and Silver
- ATX size or bigger
I never want to try doing M-ATX in the torrent again.
sudden creek
I currently use two drives and I am going to need more space soon.
sudden creek
just get a cheaper board and do 2 sata instead
To slow.
I move around a lot of data daily.
dull flint
eh
well then you wouldn't get any of the good eclk boards
it'd probably have to be like a gigabyte
sudden creek
I don't think I will try to oc the 7950x3D voltage wise after what you guys told me.
dull flint
4 m.2 is quite difficult
sudden creek
If I have to I suppose I can make do with 3.
And just get a AIC later as needed.
Also thank you for helping me out.
Brb like 10-15m.
dull flint
god this is like the cheapest choice for 4 m.2
no way is that worth it
blegh
3 m.2 slots but that's the cheapest ATX
grizzled bloom
And AMD is the one that has more lanes available too. Just the board manufacturers got greedy and only used like 2/3 of what's available.
If you want to actually use all the platform features, like all 24 CPU lanes plus chipset lanes, they want you to shell out big time.
dull flint
I mean I wouldn't spend more than 150 on AM5 to begin with
dull flint
terrible value
they're asrock reskins
so you see like, a pg lightning asrock for say, 150 and an nzxt n7 for 250?
sudden creek
Oh I seee.
dull flint
like $30 of that is the aesthetics tacked on, the rest is nzxt tax
arbitrary numbers but that's the basic premise anyway
sudden creek
Ouch.
dull flint
NZXT is NZXT
sudden creek
To bad Maxsun does not make any AM5 boards I love the aesthetic.
dull flint
they tax everything like it's razer over there
sudden creek
I'd imagine so.
dull flint
I can't think of anything worth buying from NZXT for at least a year now
like anything period
hyte has their case market swept with better stuff
sudden creek
the 4090 aorus is 4 slots thick right?
dull flint
mhm
sudden creek
So not much point in having mobo armor below the top pcie.
sudden creek
Okay well that helps. xD.
dull flint
definitely the pro over the tomahawk
zero benefits to the tomahawk
again wouldn't spend over 150 for AM5
you don't objectively gain anything
sudden creek
Okay. Going with the pro then since it has 4 slots as well.
And put the extra money into another ssd.
Thanks for the help Felix and Falcie.
sudden creek
Monitor seems to have great reviews and is the only one that's IPS UHD and 144hz (155 OC) in $400...
What PSU would you recommend?
dull flint
Monitor seems to have great reviews and is the only one that's IPS UHD and 144hz...
seems ok for the specs but it is 27" and 4k which is basically pointless
sudden creek
Good for upclose detailing when modeling and art so that's a benefit for me at least.
dull flint
What PSU would you recommend?
you could very realistically get a good psu under 100 that'll run those specs
dull flint
Good for upclose detailing when modeling and art so that's a benefit for me at l...
no I mean like, 4K 27" is so dense the benefits are basically non-existent lol
32" is the bare minimum imo for 4K
sudden creek
$$$ for me though. I considered QHD but I can't seem to find any QHD 240hz IPS that doesn't want like $500 starting.
dull flint
lol, I would also argue 240hz 1440p is a bad pairing for a 4090
sudden creek
Fair.
dull flint
don't think you have a tick all the boxes answer here
you're buying an overkill to kill everything over pc
you'll be taking the L on a premium monitor one way or another to get a proper experience
I mean I'm sitting next to my 4K 27" rn
I've run that thing at even 1080p before and personally it was only a little noticeable
and I sit fairly close to it
XG27UQ if you're curious what the model is
sudden creek
With what visison I have left I am pretty good at nit picking pixels if that makes a difference.
dull flint
you wear glasses ever?
sudden creek
24/7.
burnt spear
This would do more than fine https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CFbCmG/adata-xpg-core-reactor-850-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-corereactor850g-bkcus
burnt spear
If you really want 1000w https://pcpartpicker.com/product/HXjBD3/thermaltake-toughpower-gf3-tt-premium-1000-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ps-tpd-1000fnfagu-4
sudden creek
Why?
burnt spear
Or amp v2
dull flint
for people with better than average vision it's already stupid hard to see the difference of 4k at 27"
burnt spear
^^
dull flint
let alone someone with glasses
sudden creek
I have very sharp vision despite wearing glasses.
dull flint
seriously you want a different screen, the tangilble benefits aren't really showing for that innocn
burnt spear
I'd worry more about color accuracy and such and go 1440p with what you're talking about
sudden creek
Any monitors you recommend for the pairing within $450?
dull flint
yeah and step down the gpu a notch or two
dull flint
like, go 7900XTX, 7950X3D then an LG OLED 240hz
you could afford that
and that would do everything 1440p maxed
it would work out almost identical to your current plan but you'd have an objectively million times better screen
espeically for stuff like editing
sudden creek
AMD is a absolute no go for me gpu wise.
burnt spear
I'd say this as minimum for 1440p, but I'm gonna look for a couple other options https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zQyH99/msi-g274qpx-270-2560-x-1440-240-hz-monitor-g274qpx
dull flint
yeah m27q-x is excellent
one of the best 240hz screens period
sells out all the time
burnt spear
Yeah I'd say that would fit the bill perfectly
sudden creek
I understand you guys are trying to help me gpu wise but I have my heart set on that gpu for over a year now and I'd be pissed at myself if I backed out now. I'd rather work a bit harder and just get a better monitor instead.
burnt spear
That m27q-x would be fine on a 4090
dull flint
I understand you guys are trying to help me gpu wise but I have my heart set on ...
then I would go for a better monitor
4K only on 4090
burnt spear
Sure 4090 is super overkill for 1440p, but that isn't exactly a bad thing
sudden creek
Also Bacca thanks for the PSU I swapped it out just now.
I'd rather be overkill then not.
burnt spear
Having extra capability is good
dull flint
yeah but a 4080 maxes out a 1440p 240hz
burnt spear
I think the 4090 isn't worth it over xtx, but you're doing blender so I get that
sudden creek
Thanks for understanding.
burnt spear
yeah but a 4080 maxes out a 1440p 240hz
In most things yeah, but they're also doing workstation takes that'll benefit from better gpu
dull flint
you're buying the ferrari engine and using it like a mustang 
no even for workstation that's a hard sell
4080 still has a wide bit bus
burnt spear
Eh, it's up to you apex. I do agree with what felix is saying, but I also understand your side
If you'd save for a better monitor I'd say it's worth it
dull flint
yeah either save for a better monitor or just don't go 4090
sudden creek
I get what he's saying but yeah I have my heart set on it so I think I'd rather just work a little harder to get the better monitor.
burnt spear
Extra $200 over m27q-x for this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Fm7G3C/gigabyte-m32u-315-3840x2160-144-hz-monitor-m32u
sudden creek
109 ppi seems pretty low?
burnt spear
Also depending on how long until you buy monitor, possibly black Friday sales
Not at all
4k 32in has higher pixel density than 1440p 27in if I remember right
sudden creek
Currently using 24in FHD and I can see the pixels from about 3 foot away.
sudden creek
I also like how that's cheaper so I am definitely leaning towards that.
dull flint
I have ridiculously good eyesight and I can't see any pixels on a 1440p from 2 feet away
sudden creek
Not sure then. I have really sensitive eyes I guess.
burnt spear
dull flint
m28u...I mean it's at least a lot better
dull flint
better
burnt spear
Ah alr
burnt spear
Thought so but wasn't sure
burnt spear
Fair enough
dull flint
they're probably similar panels but objectively the m28u will be better
sudden creek
So M28U?
burnt spear
That or m32u
burnt spear
Yeah especially with what you value I wouldn't go for that innocn monitor
Would be much worse on your eyes
Cheap 4k monitors are almost never worth it
dull flint
it's like, you bought the big house, set up the fancy chair and sound proofed the room, got a fancy projector screen, then you get some basic wallmart projector
sudden creek
Gotcha. I wanna treat my eyes while I can still see.
sudden creek
Yeah definitely tuning the ram.
sudden creek
And you alr have cooler storage and case?
LS720 push/pull and the Fractal Torrent is in hand.,
Oh thermal paste.
that's what I forgot.
sudden creek
I have some thermal paste that came with the LGA1700 contact frame I bought a while back.
burnt spear
^
sudden creek
Would that work well?
burnt spear
Yeah as long as you have enough and it wasn't some random no name contact frame
If it was I wouldn't trust it, it might be cheap/electrically conductive
sudden creek
TF7 thermal paste.
burnt spear
You're good to use it
sudden creek
neat.
burnt spear
Prob not as good as mx-6 but will make a couple degrees difference, won't really matter
sudden creek
Should I consider the AM5 contact frames?
burnt spear
I'm not sure, but I know the issue lga1700 has that the contact frames correct isn't an issue on am5
But idk if they still make a difference or not
dull flint
TF7 is fine too
dull flint
Should I consider the AM5 contact frames?
no
sudden creek
Gotcha so I should be all set then.
dull flint
AM5 is like, one of the densest cpus I've ever picked up
it's just all solid IHS
thick af
sudden creek
Will probably be making a trip to Florida in 2-3 weeks so I will pick the stuff up in the US when I am there to save $ on imports.
dull flint
it won't bend ever 💀
sudden creek
Should I lap cpu?
dull flint
nope
sudden creek
or not worth it?
sudden creek
Gotcha.
grizzled bloom
Lapping might get a couple degrees improvement but it's not really worth the hassle having to mod your cooler
sudden creek
Lapping might get a couple degrees improvement but it's not really worth the has...
Gotcha. Won't be doing that then.
dull flint
I mean
even on a dual tower cooler let alone an LS720
you're only pulling what, like near 150W?
you won't run it anywhere near hot enough for any benefits
dull flint
it's not like regular am5 where, anything that isn't a 65W cpu could benefit to extreme levels with stuff like direct die
any regular X cpu from AM5 loves being at 95C
sudden creek
Is the 7950x worth it over the x3D? Would be doing a 35/65 mix of work and gaming in favor of work. $30 difference.
In blender it seems to be about a 7% difference.
sudden creek
Gotcha.
sudden creek
Will do the 7950x3D then.
dull flint
7950x3d + 5 minutes of buildzoid easy timings ram setup + a day of ram stability testing
sounds like the easiest way to get quite good best of both world results
sudden creek
I love messing with ram so I'd definitely be doing that.
Hoping G.Skill releases their Z Royal sticks for DDR5 soon.
I love the look of the heat spreader.
dull flint
I told you Z5's aren't worth it right? Lol
sudden creek
I know.
sudden creek
My plan is to buy the Z5 Royal spreaders and put it on the T-Create most likely for my crystal theme build plan in the future.
dull flint
that's definitely not gonna turn out well
sudden creek
Heat?
sudden creek
R.I.P so I'd have to buy a custom heat spreader then or mod one myself for the crystal look?
dull flint
if you take them apart then you'll definitely have huge troubles reattaching them
mhm
not worth it
if you want crystal sticks
get like,
a 13900k ddr4 mobo
then get used trident royals
32gb for like $50
if you're going out of your way to buy into that look then the amount of money spent simply isn't worth the gain of ddr5 performance
dull flint
nothing wrong with like, ek monarchs, bykski sinks or alphacool sinks if you would prefer that
but yeah if you want crystal, get used ddr4 royals
it will never be worth the extra for ddr5 royals lol
sudden creek
Mhmm depends on how desperate I am to perfect my pc's end goal theme.
Anyways I gotta work now.
Thanks for the help.
dull flint
alr
clear sequoia
What ram works into a hp all-in-one 24-f0xx? I'm tryna help my friend find some better ram for it since its running somewhat trashy rn and he just wants a short term fix
split copper
I'm guessing just ddr4 2400
looks like two sodimms but idk if they're all the same style board on the inside or not
so either gotta pop it open and find the ram slots or just do the easy thing and look in taskman for the slots used info
can't say for sure without an exact model
hard leaf
or he can download hwinfo to see it with more details
split copper
taskman has all the details you need in this case
fleet obsidian
If I upgrade to an AM5 board will I need DDR5?
vast meadow
If I upgrade to an AM5 board will I need DDR5?
Yes
scenic solar
best free program to test ram oc stability?
vast meadow
best free program to test ram oc stability?
Best is to use a mix of softwares, I'd recommend using occt ram, testmem 5 extreme anta/pcbdestroyer profile
scenic solar
Best is to use a mix of softwares, I'd recommend using occt ram, testmem 5 extre...
thanks, is msi memory try it in bios good enough for a basic overclock? does it only change frequency and main timings?
vast meadow
Never tried it but imma say no
scenic solar
i have 3200mts corsair vengeance and i've seen many people easily achieve 3800 without a lot of tuning, so maybe i'll be able to go to 3600
vast meadow
It probably has no regards to die etc
scenic solar
maybe 3400
vast meadow
i have 3200mts corsair vengeance and i've seen many people easily achieve 3800 w...
It really will depend what version number is on your sticks, it'll be able to tell you what die you have
scenic solar
yeah, i know... i one looked up to see if i had samsung or hynix ICs but the number on my sticks didn't match any of the ones provided on the list
if i remember correctly i found it on github
burnt spear
Could be micron
hollow thorn
It probably has no regards to die etc
Memory try it is like a database of random xmp profiles you can try
It doesn't know anything
Only sets voltage frequency and primaries afaik
scenic solar
but is it safe in terms of voltages? like is it going to set high voltages for example 1.5v for a simple 400mhz boost?
vast meadow
Only sets voltage frequency and primaries afaik
Sounds about right
vast meadow
but is it safe in terms of voltages? like is it going to set high voltages for e...
It really depends on the die
vast meadow
if i remember correctly i found it on github
There was one on Reddit too, what's the version number?
grizzled bloom
thanks, is msi memory try it in bios good enough for a basic overclock? does it ...
It's fine as a starting point, it also changes a couple voltages.
Don't use the "load memory presets" option unless you have b-die.
Depending on the profile you choose it usually does 1.45 dram
vast meadow
There's a decent chance that could be something like samsung c die that degrades after 1.35v tho :)
scenic solar
There was one on Reddit too, what's the version number?
not sure, but if you provide me a list i may remember it, maybe it was 353...? idk, i remember it had 3 and 5 in it
grizzled bloom
It doesn't degrade past 1.35 so much as it negative scales
hollow thorn
but is it safe in terms of voltages? like is it going to set high voltages for e...
It doesn't know anything, if you select a profile with 1.5v, it will run 1.5v, whether it knows it to be safe or not
vast meadow
not sure, but if you provide me a list i may remember it, maybe it was 353...? i...
Can you send a pic of the sticks?
vast meadow
It doesn't degrade past 1.35 so much as it negative scales
Thought it degraded over that too?
scenic solar
uuuh i just closed up my case... i'll look for the old message i sent somewhere
vast meadow
Or not much over it
grizzled bloom
DDR4 spec requires it to be safe to run up to 1.45v
vast meadow
Ah okay
grizzled bloom
I'm looking in my bios right now and the "memory try it" settings for 3800 straight 18s, 1900 fclk, sets dram to 1.35
Same at 3600
3600 straight 16 also 1.35
grizzled bloom
3600 straight 14 sets 1.45v
vast meadow
Wow that's actually not crap
grizzled bloom
Yeah, it's an ok starting point like I said.
It's the "load memory presets" that gets dangerous. It assumes you're running b-die and sets 1.7v
vast meadow
grizzled bloom
scenic solar
so i cant find the message so i'll check the dimms once again or ill look at some photos i may have taken of the vengeance ram...
found it
grizzled bloom
Hah c die
scenic solar
really? :[
grizzled bloom
If you're lucky you can get 3600 c18
vast meadow
Be careful with the timings if you try 3600cl18
scenic solar
thats still something. should i try it by simply setting the mem profile with mem try it?
grizzled bloom
That'll at least tell you if it'll post at those settings, it might still be unstable
vast meadow
Try 3600 18-22-22-40 at 1.35v vsoc 1.1
grizzled bloom
Try 3600 18-22-22-40 at 1.35v vsoc 1.1
Which is exactly one of the profiles lol
vast meadow
Oh okay fair enough
vast meadow
Which is exactly one of the profiles lol
Setting vsoc too?
scenic solar
ok, lemme download someprograms to check stability
grizzled bloom
It does that too
vast meadow
Fancy
grizzled bloom
It's almost like by the time X570 came out DDR4 memory overclocking was down to a science or something
vast meadow
It's almost like by the time X570 came out DDR4 memory overclocking was down to ...
True but still i mean you know what the likes of asus boards do even on new ddr4 platforms
scenic solar
what about those things i alwas heard like matching your infinity fabric or smthing
grizzled bloom
That's fclk
scenic solar
oh okk
grizzled bloom
fclk=mclk mode
Same with uclk
Or just manually set fclk to half your target dram speed
(so with a target of 3600 you'd set 1800)
vast meadow
Would recommend the zentimings program to read your timings btw
scenic solar
just a second, so i download: occt, testmem5 and anta777 xtreme?
grizzled bloom
TM5 should include the anta profile
vast meadow
Or at least the download link from overclockers uk does
That's the one i always used
grizzled bloom
scenic solar
nvm
grizzled bloom
Yep
vast meadow
Yeah my b thought it was an oc uk forum
Oh nope that's a different site their deff was an oc uk one
Hmm
grizzled bloom
Maybe that's the site that you found first because of your geographic location
scenic solar
so is it just the file from mega?
grizzled bloom
Yes
When you open the program it'll automatically start, but you'll want to hit load config and select the anta777extreme profile.
vast meadow
Maybe that's the site that *you* found first because of your geographic location
Most likely that's what i was thinking
grizzled bloom
It'll close the program, and next time you open it, it will have the new config loaded. It runs automatically from there, takes a few hours.
grizzled bloom
You'll also want this to make sure your settings are applied right
grizzled bloom
Just a changelog notice
scenic solar
okai
so zen timings to check if oc is applied and occt and the other one for stability
grizzled bloom
Yes
scenic solar
so can i just go into the bios now?
grizzled bloom
Yes
scenic solar
ok
Ok, first thing: do I select axmp profile 2?
And keep n1 as my standard 3200mhz
grizzled bloom
That's usually best practice, to start from your XMP profile being on
Once you enable xmp save and reboot back to bios
scenic solar
Xmp is already enabled on profile 1, do I set profile 2 and restart?
grizzled bloom
Is there a difference between them?
I'd be surprised if there actually was more than 1 profile
scenic solar
Nope
In theory... I saw people on Reddit showing they had very small differences in voltages
grizzled bloom
Eh, don't worry about it.
grizzled bloom
That won't matter here
scenic solar
I'll just use profile 2 because yes
grizzled bloom
If anything their "profile 2" would be harder to run because lower vsoc
grizzled bloom
Just post up your zentimings and we can tell you what to adjust if needed
That's better than letting the board handle it
scenic solar
Like stock xmp?
Do I post just my base frequency and timings?
For xmp profile 1 or 2?
grizzled bloom
If you're in bios already go ahead and make your changes
scenic solar
Just tell me which one to use for the ovrclock
grizzled bloom
But if you're still on the desktop post your current settings
scenic solar
If you're in bios already go ahead and make your changes
I'm in bios
scenic solar
Ok
P1 or P2
grizzled bloom
Doesn't matter
scenic solar
Good
Tell me what things we're going to change so I can find where the settings are
grizzled bloom
You can change the memory try it to the 3600 18-22-22-22 profile
vast meadow
Try get gear 1 and geardown mode off btw
scenic solar
Oh ok, so just memory try it... Or will I have to tweak voltages and other things later on?
grizzled bloom
If it doesn't post we'll adjust voltages, but it changes some automatically
scenic solar
I have mem post failure that sets defaults if it doesn't work
grizzled bloom
Yep just like my board. I have my failure retry count at 4.
scenic solar
You can change the memory try it to the 3600 18-22-22-22 profile
I've only got 3600 18-18-18-18-38 + fclk 1800mhz
scenic solar
Yep just like my board. I have my failure retry count at 4.
I use 2 beacuse if it doesn't post once it means it already has some problems
grizzled bloom
I've only got 3600 18-18-18-18-38 + fclk 1800mhz
You can select that and change the other timings manually
grizzled bloom
fclk at 1800 is perfect
Yes leave tCL at 18 and set the others to 22
tRAS at 40
scenic solar
18,22,22,22
This is the order right? tCL, tCRDRD, tRCDWR, tRP and tRAS
grizzled bloom
Yes
scenic solar
Command rate is currently set to auto (1)
grizzled bloom
You can set that manually to 1 if you like
scenic solar
Done
grizzled bloom
We mostly just want to see if it'll post at 3600 at all before we get too deep
grizzled bloom
Yes
grizzled bloom
Good sign if it was that fast
scenic solar
grizzled bloom
Looks fine for starting off
scenic solar
how do i run the stability stuff?