cpus-mobo-and-memory

[dapper oriole]

i did that like an hour ago

[cursive epoch]

Booted with one stick?

Oh it has just one

Must be dust getting into ram slot

[dapper oriole]

eraser i used

kinda dirty

[cursive epoch]

Anyway on another note

I have a list of parts for your new pc

Everything but ssd and case since you already have them

[dapper oriole]

what are the specs

losing hope bro pc still not working

[cursive epoch]

Ryzen 5 7600
ID-Cooling SE-214-XT White Air Cooler
Gigabyte Gaming OC RX 6750XT
Asrock B450M Steel Legend (tell the shop to update bios first)
16GB Team Group T-Create Expert 3600mhz 2x8GB
Super Flower Leadex III White 650W

[dapper oriole]

but haven't tried the battery yet since i cannot remove it

[cursive epoch]

Comes to 45,146 pesos

[cursive epoch]

There's a small metal tab on the left

You have to release the battery with that

[dapper oriole]

s have 59,000 budget for that feel free to upgrade some parts

[dapper oriole]

i did but won't come off lol

[cursive epoch]

I could add gpu but it depends on your monitor and if you want faster gpu or not

Tho if you don't mind black psu with black cables

I can make it cheaper

[dapper oriole]

they have a seasonic 750w one

white

for 6500 i think

[cursive epoch]

It's a bit too expensive honestly

But okay

[dapper oriole]

oh

try upgrading the parts a bit

[cursive epoch]

46k pesos with the psu in it

The seasonic you wanted

Still wiggle room for a gpu

[dapper oriole]

i removed the battery

i was so dumb lol

i tried removing it with my finger after i pulled the lin

pin

that why i can't remove it lol

[cursive epoch]

Now you should wait for 10 mins

Then put it back on

...what

6900XT the price of 3070???

It will get expensive though since this one is liquid cooled

Needs a custom loop

Dammit why wasn't it air cooled

@dapper oriole Alright here's your option, go with the leadex iii white if you want a 4070, which performs like a 3080

Or stick with 6750XT with 4060ti perf, which is also 3060ti

Or third option, go black on psu

[dapper oriole]

bro still not working

the battery think not working

[dapper oriole]

oh

[dapper oriole]

okay

[cursive epoch]

aw welp, the cleaning probably shorted something, or dust got in some odd spots

[dapper oriole]

like actually

i just cleaned the cobwebs

didn't unplugged anything

then added the fan

[cursive epoch]

hm seems the leadex iii won't even fit budget

over by like 150 pesos lol

[dapper oriole]

its okay lol

but my pc

[cursive epoch]

GPU would be 4070 PNY Vetro Dual Fan

PSU remains leadex iii 650w

[dapper oriole]

my pc still not working 🥲

got any more suggestions?

[cursive epoch]

Try hooking monitor to the board instead

[dapper oriole]

don't have cable for that

[cursive epoch]

Ah rip

[dapper oriole]

motherboard is a h110

[cursive epoch]

I'm stuck with this weird issue lol

[dapper oriole]

lol

[cursive epoch]

I always took a soft brush to a pc that I used to have

It never refused to work after that

[dapper oriole]

maybe i unplugged something?

would that be a case?

[cursive epoch]

Unlikely

But worth a check

[dapper oriole]

I thin my gpu is the problem lol

not displaying anything

but idk how to check if its okay

[cursive epoch]

Needs another pc to verify honestly

Oh right, you can try reseating the gpu

[dapper oriole]

how

or maybe when i was installing the fan some adhesive went to the pc component?

don't ask why i used adhesive lol

[cursive epoch]

Damn

Okay that could be why

[dapper oriole]

cant screw them in bcs case only supports 80mm

[cursive epoch]

Well if it's like that the board is probably gone lol

https://help.corsair.com/hc/en-us/articles/4406832764429-How-to-Replace-the-GPU-of-your-Vengeance-Gaming-PC

[dapper oriole]

but the board still gives power to my mic?

[cursive epoch]

As helpful of a guide I can find

I mean a board can refuse to boot but power on

I killed mine like that once

Scratched a trace on the pcb and it spelled the end of that board

[dapper oriole]

how do i tell this to my little brother 🥲

[cursive epoch]

The solution is to get another board

Used that is, not worth buying H110 new lol

[dapper oriole]

I'll try lol

[cursive epoch]

So for your new upcoming pc, you're okay with going a lil overbudget, right?

It's the white fee

[dapper oriole]

yeah 😂

[cursive epoch]

Stay well below budget for lesser gpu

Or edging that budget with better one

[dapper oriole]

idk how much would a used h110 cost lol

[cursive epoch]

funny how the one with CPU and cooler is cheapest

idk about your market much but find the cheapest working ones

cpu and cooler included or not

they all will work the same

[dapper oriole]

lord please revive my mobo

🙏

[cursive epoch]

maybe try removing the glue somehow

depending on the type of glue

but if it's hot glue that's not gonna be fixed

[dapper oriole]

888 adhesive

but i don't know if it spilled

nit sure yet

how do i revive my motherboard

[cursive epoch]

ah that's hot glue

no dice

you can try acetone but only dip something like a toothpick in it

because it's a strong solution

isopropyl alcohol might work too i believe

[dapper oriole]

i checked no signs of hot glue

[cursive epoch]

the adhesive is made of a solution that hot glue is made from

do you recall where the glue dripped on?

[dapper oriole]

total of 59886 @cursive epoch

[cursive epoch]

Bleh

That's pretty sad

[tidal hound]

What currency is that

[dapper oriole]

so i glued the fan to the side panel the one that pops of after that i instantly put it back like the cover

[cursive epoch]

also

[dapper oriole]

pesos

[cursive epoch]

b450 is am4

you will need a620, b650, or x670

[tidal hound]

Oh dope I didn’t recognize the symbol, sorry lol

[cursive epoch]

for the 7600 to work

[dapper oriole]

.

[cursive epoch]

your budget can't fit am5 parts in there

[dapper oriole]

i just copied yours

[cursive epoch]

oops

[dapper oriole]

lol

[cursive epoch]

i meant 5600

[dapper oriole]

oh lol

[cursive epoch]

my stupid fingers

don't need an aio though

[dapper oriole]

lmao

oh

I'll re do it

[tidal hound]

What’s ur budget?

[cursive epoch]

there's no white gpus that's also worth getting for your budget ngl

truth to be told

[dapper oriole]

difference between the 5 5600x and non x?

[cursive epoch]

none

just slightly higher factory clock speed

[burnt spear]

About 2% performance difference

[dapper oriole]

2k difference pesos

[burnt spear]

So nothing

[tidal hound]

Takes more power and is hotter i assume too right?

[cursive epoch]

yes

for not even a meaningful gain

[tidal hound]

I learned something g with the 7700 B)

[cursive epoch]

always buy non-x unless the x is cheaper

it usually happens cuz the x comes out first

product cycle pricing

[dapper oriole]

oh nvm they are the same price mistaken it for the 5500

i mean 500 pesos difference

[cursive epoch]

eh

not enough to justify

don't bother

[tidal hound]

The gpu I want is hovering around like $300 but it came out at $919 💀

Less than two years ago

Maybe not less than but around

[cursive epoch]

anyway all white build is possible but you're looking at overall worse gaming experience

[dapper oriole]

oh

[cursive epoch]

that's all i can suggest really

in the end it's your purchase lel

[dapper oriole]

i mean

i alr have a white case

would black components

[tidal hound]

Worth for the aesthetic

[cursive epoch]

black gpu wouldn't look too out of place

the board isn't even fully white

[tidal hound]

Black and white builds look fire sometimes, gotta have some accents though

[cursive epoch]

it's not gonna be clashing too too much as long as the gpu is black and clean looking

[dapper oriole]

and also here @cursive epoch direct link fo the pc builder

https://bermorzone.com.ph/?woopbUrl=MTY4NjMyNzQ0OA

[cursive epoch]

okay now it wants to work

thanks lmao

[dapper oriole]

np

[cursive epoch]

https://bermorzone.com.ph/?woopbUrl=MTY4OTcyNDQwNA

So this is what I'll do

If you really want an aio I can slap one on, tho I can't guarantee of its quality since the cheaper options are unknown, aka has no solid reviews

[dapper oriole]

thoughs?

total 51965 without case fans ug cooler

still have 7035 left

[cursive epoch]

Nope

You're sacrificing a lot of gpu performance in this

[dapper oriole]

what gpu should i pair with it?

[cursive epoch]

erm, well 6700xt maybe?

wait nah you can still fit the 6750xt in

and still have money left

okay you actually did better lol

except gpu

and no ssd yeah

[dapper oriole]

okay wait

[cursive epoch]

https://bermorzone.com.ph/?woopbUrl=MTY4OTcyNTA1Ng

61555

with 7600 and a620 board

[dapper oriole]

i want some aesthetics

[cursive epoch]

up to you really

cuz im about to need to sleep soon

[dapper oriole]

https://bermorzone.com.ph/woo_product_builder/build-your-pc/?woopb_preview=1

check this bro @cursive epoch

[cursive epoch]

ya that's doable

if you're fine with stock cooler

[dapper oriole]

wait lol wrong

61760 total @cursive epoch

[dapper oriole]

https://bermorzone.com.ph/?woopbUrl=MTY4OTcyNjQ4NA

[warm adder]

Not sure if this is the correct channel for this as I didn’t see one the specified wifi cards.

I’m looking for some info on brands to stay away from and ones I should look into. Please @ me if you have any tips as I am not here much. Thank you!

[vast meadow]

Just get something with an intel ax chip tbh

[grizzled bloom]

Like pato said, something with an Intel AX200+ chip. They're more or less all the same, use the same drivers and everything.

Ones with heatsinks are generally not required unless you're thrashing the chip doing P2P connections

[ashen pulsar]

I know this is just the bios menu but it feels like something from 15ish years ago

[grizzled bloom]

That's because the bios menu has been largely unchanged for a long time

[ashen pulsar]

I wouldnt mind an OS that had the same sort of aesthetic

[warm adder]

Thank you both!

[split vigil]

13600k

atleast i’ll have this on

[split vigil]

moments before disaster..

there’s bent pins in the bottom left, bottom right is just angling, and thermal paste got onto it.. cleared it out most of it though.

[dapper oriole]

ryzen 7 5700x and 5800x whats the difference?

main use for gaming

and streaming

my pc now fix @grizzled bloom @cursive epoch lol

tried reinstalling the gpu

[cursive epoch]

zero difference too lol

they're just a sight clock speed bump

which you can really reach anyway with pbo

also nice, that's okay then

your lil bro is gonna have a pc to game on lol

[dapper oriole]

all white @cursive epoch aesthetics for 60k

[cursive epoch]

I mean, I guided you through getting what you want, so my opinions can only say so much here lel

[pallid thicket]

What’s the best AMD CPU to pair with a 3080ti right now to unlock its full potential?

[cursive epoch]

7800X3D

best cpu for gaming in this time, but pricey though

you'll need at least like $600 for cpu, mobo and ram

[pallid thicket]

Thanks! After all that, you think that’s a significant upgrade from a 5600x with 32gb 3600 ram?

[cursive epoch]

it is

what's your existing cooler btw?

you might need or not need new cooler if it's not good enough for the cpu

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xnkd3y

i've just put together something quick, not including cooler yet

[pallid thicket]

Kraken x something

Should be fine?

Ty!

[cursive epoch]

Should be if it's at least 240mm

Do ask nzxt for am5 brackets if needed

[cerulean wadi]

Btw there's 5600X3D for $200ish & it's mainly a 6core 5800x3d. I would try that 1st since it's like $70ish net cost when current cpu sells. Idk, I just lean more towards better bang for buck.

[cursive epoch]

bleh

not worth it when 5800x3d does exist for 277 rn

personally i'd hop to am5 and not worry at all about the cpu perf

[wind mural]

AM4 is a good option if you have a motherboard or 32gb ram already

[dreamy vortex]

Yo guys I’m looking to get a new cpu. I could get a 5600x or a 5700x and my mobo is a b450m vdh pro max. With a 5600xt gpu and a 600 watt psu. What should I get

[burnt spear]

5600 non x

[dreamy vortex]

Ima need to do a bios update too correct? @burnt spear

[burnt spear]

Yes

[dreamy vortex]

Ight thx bro

[tidal hound]

D:

Uhhh

Advice?

I’m gonna try and re seat I suppose

Still displaying dram and cpu issue :(

I’ve checked both sticks of ram and the cpu for debris and defects, everything looks normal and I know everything has compatibility

Also have tried each stick individually and it does not clear, I’ve also taken out and replaced the cmos battery

Both cpu power connectors are seated properly too

I’ve seen online this may be a bios update issue, gonna troubleshoot that tmr after I go out and get a thumb drive cause I don’t have one open rn lol, will keep posted I guess

[lyric turret]

Just bought a new amd cpu for cod

[glossy apex]

cod?

oh no

[lyric turret]

mhm

[vast meadow]

Have to say warzone is incredibly fun although heavily cpu limited usually

Fun fact, I've a 13600k (ddr4) and 3060ti, play at 1440p dlss, so effectively 720p but my fps is the same if i limit my card to 50% power in afterburner, which is kind of expected but the funny thing is it'll still use like 220w if i don't limit it

[hard leaf]

im pretty fine as well at 150-180fps on 1440p

cod is a strange game

[vast meadow]

In warzone? What cpu do you have

[hard leaf]

same as yours

lemme run a bm rq

[hard leaf]

oh wow, been a while since i ran wz

my numbers were from s3, seems like s4 is more intensive or my drivers are way too outdated, now im pumping 140 on the benchmark... thats probalby 120 in game

[hard leaf]

😦

or... maybe i got confused with dlss, thats 185 fps but its 66% (1712x960)

still i have old drivers 😛

[vast meadow]

Ah right you have a 4080 tho so that probably helps

Ddr5 too?

[hard leaf]

nope

3600c16

with dlaa i get less fps.. lame

120

[vast meadow]

Weird

Ah better xmp

Also you have 32gbs so possiblity of dual rank

[hard leaf]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zcH8TW/gskill-ripjaws-v-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-32gvkc

were a bit more expensive last year e_e

[vast meadow]

Yeah it's kinda hard to tell without taking off the heatspreaders afaik but you deff could have dual rank

I have a higher potential but i haven't had much time to tune in an oc

[hard leaf]

yeah, after all you have ballistonks

tried to get my hands on a pair but too expensive for my budget at the time

welp im not that far behind, i had may 30th drivers, just 2 months behind

updated for diablo

[past rain]

If I go from a i5 8400 to a i9 9900k will I c a difference in performance

[cursive epoch]

you will, but it depends on the price

if it's not worth it i would save up more for another platform

[grizzled bloom]

For the price of a 9900K you can get a B660 motherboard and a 12400 that'll completely demolish the 9900K

[past rain]

@grizzled bloom ok 👍

[bold hedge]

Anyone know a good MB for 7th gen intel core i5-74000 processor?

ATX preferably

For under $150 is possible

[burnt spear]

Are you in the US?

And did you buy that cpu new?

[vast meadow]

You'd be better off selling the 7400, and buying like a b660 and 12100 unless you get a very cheap one

[bold hedge]

It's for a friend and we're trying to upgrade his PC without having to buy an entirely new PC essentially

His motherboard is really outdated so we are trying to get him a better one

[bold hedge]

I'm in the US

[bold hedge]

What's wrong with the current CPU?

[vast meadow]

Just slow, I'd imagine you could probably get 40$ for it give or take and get a used 12100(f) and motherboard for that price, it's just a far better cpu

[vast meadow]

Upgrading motherboards is pointless without upgrading to a new platform tbh

[grizzled bloom]

A good general rule for CPUs is to upgrade them every 5-6 years. The 7400 is 6 1/2 years old, and a low end chip from that time to boot.

[burnt spear]

Can get 12100f for $80 new and b660 for $75-90

The 7400 is outdated and not worth buying a motherboard for, if jt works on the current motherboard just leave it as is till upgrading cpu

[grizzled bloom]

^
Plus if you upgrade to 12th gen like that you can reuse your DDR4 memory

[burnt spear]

5600 + b550 also an option for not much more

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3mm6Vw

5600 is up to $144, no longer worth over 12400f

[vast meadow]

Even cheaper if you go used

Or even better cpu

[burnt spear]

12100f beats 7700k across the board btw, for reference of how it is

[amber canopy]

funnyboard

[bold hedge]

Damn I had no clue it was that bad lol

What would I search on PC part picker in terms of the CPU and motherboard? I'm kinda dumb when it comes to the specifics and how many there are

[cerulean wadi]

Pcpartpicker is mainly for new stuff. Gotta go ebay, facebook marketplace & such.

[bold hedge]

B550 is a solid option for motherboards but that's for AMD only right?

I mean new parts is what I planned on getting

Ive had way too many problems with used parts

[cerulean wadi]

Am4 cpus have the pins. Intel cpu doesn't so they're a bit more durable (non issue if going new). 5600 is around 12400 performance btw so mainly about which combo can be found cheaper.

[bold hedge]

I prefer AMD over Intel and my friend has no real preference. I was looking into a Ryzen 5 5500 for $130

[cerulean wadi]

$94 on newegg & the 5600 is $140ish lately it seems. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PgcG3C/amd-ryzen-5-5600-36-ghz-6-core-processor-100-100000927box

[bold hedge]

What motherboard would you recommend pairing with it?

The original plan was to upgrade my friends GPU as well but honestly we're probably just going to upgrade his CPU and motherboard first since I think he has a 1660 GPU

He should be able to ride out the 1660 for a while right?

[cerulean wadi]

Well 5600 or similar definitely wouldn't hold back a gpu like the 7400 might. "1%" low fps numbers at least will be nice. I'm not too smart on AMD stuff but here's a quick $120ish example perhaps
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KxFbt6/gigabyte-b550-gaming-x-v2-atx-am4-motherboard-b550-gaming-x-v2

[bold hedge]

Okay he actually has a 1060

He should be good to continue using that if we just upgraded his CPU right?

[cerulean wadi]

Oh sure. most games should still feel a bit smoother overall even w/ same gfx settings. EDIT for psu question in other challen: Yes RM750 would be good even for something like 3090 + 13600K, for example.

[bold hedge]

He doesn't do any heavy gaming so it should be fine

[tidal hound]

Flashing bios now, may Stuart save my soul

[split copper]

You killed him

[tidal hound]

No more ram or cpu error tho!!

Boot error now tho

Idk what that means but time to research

Also no display from the mobo

[split copper]

Rip

Did you make sure you have an igpu

[tidal hound]

ye 7700 does

see #storage-devices for where im at rn

would the boot issue cause it not to display?

[dull flint]

AM5 takes a long time to train, a few minutes

I'm guessing you waited a good 5 or so but just in case ima say it here lol

[tidal hound]

It was an issue with peripherals, I’m mad chilling now

[cursive epoch]

lol

glad you fixed it

[tidal hound]

Yippee

[shy wyvern]

I noticed going to ddr5 makes games feel so much smoother but my averages are the same

Stuttering is massively reduced going from ddr4 to ddr5

[cursive epoch]

yeah

it's why 1% and .1% lows are important

average isn't the whole picture

[hexed solar]

,Seeking an ITX Workstation Motherboard Suggestion

In the world of CAD/3D/Bim/Rendering workstation. Generally workstation motherboards offer full support of ECC Registered Ram. Well in the world of Intel (I's 5/7/9) and AMD Ryzen 9 XXXXX Intel/AMD will support ECC, but the motherboards are ECC, but unbuffed (non-registered). For me this is an important element to what I do.

I am looking for a Excellant ITX motherboard. I will offer the best and fastest ram I can purcahse, to help support since the ram is non-ecc.

Does anyone have this kind of use in an ITX motherboard?

[vast meadow]

What you're saying sounds a bit counteractive, generally you can get amd boards working with ecc memory but they're usually a lot slower than what you can buy with regular kits. As far as i know intel doesn't support ecc on their consumer platforms at all, so do you want ecc or not?

[hexed solar]

I do understand, to get ECC out the gate, I need Threadripper Pro, Xeon, or Eypc processors.

I am trying to see if I went with, the fastest Intel I series or AMD 7 series chip right now, with the fastest memory.

What motherboard would you suggest in the ITX formate.

Xeon and Epyc both have ITX motherbards, but Threadripper Pro does not. Do that kind of formate comes with a respectful premium.

So I am trying to see if I went with the reguaal Intel and AMD I creat a solid system without ECC and goign with the best products.

[vast meadow]

Okay sure, what country are you in? Yes you can create a very good system without ecc

[hexed solar]

United States

[hexed solar]

I have always used systems with ECC, and found them to be rather steardy, when the ram is really loaded down. Now a system is a systems, and a computer is a computer, but since I have invested in ECC in the past over the comptuers without ECC - I had less computer issues.

[vast meadow]

I see, well usually people have very little issues with regular ram, you can always just run the ram at slower speeds, also you can set up a script to run sfc and dism(windows built in checks for corruption)

Is there any other features you need by the way?

If not, I'd get this motherboard
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WC6NnQ/gigabyte-b760i-aorus-pro-mini-itx-lga1700-motherboard-b760i-aorus-pro

[hexed solar]

Ok so my research pointed me in that same direction. Except it was the Z790 model - https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z790I-AORUS-ULTRA-rev-10#kf+

gainbylosegainWhat will I gaine or losse with going i with the Z760 chipset over the Z790 chipset?

[vast meadow]

The only difference is a tiny bit more pcie lanes (which won't matter because the board is too small to use all those lanes) and the ability to overclock the cpu

[hexed solar]

Right now comparing the two via the Gigabuyte webset, and the 7790 handles DDR% ram, and the Z760 handles DDR4 ram.

[vast meadow]

And since you're worried about stability a lot, overclocking your cpu would not be recommended

[hexed solar]

Overclocking is not my concern, but I will let the natural speed of the CPU/ram, go for there best.

[vast meadow]

So there's usually 2 models of the boards, one with ddr4, one with ddr5, the one i linked is ddr5, since it's so cheap nowadays and gives a decent performance improvement, plus it does kind of have ecc like capability with a not as good error correction chip but more than any regular ddr4 or less chip had

[dull flint]

Try W790

And like, a 13900f

Or 13700f

[vast meadow]

Doubt there's any itx w790s

[hexed solar]

The W790 is the Xeon Chipset - right?

[dull flint]

I doubt too, but if ecc is a must, there's gotta be a compromise

[dull flint]

Afaik it's lga1700 with important server related features like ecc

[vast meadow]

It's just CAD etc so it's not really ecc dependant

[dull flint]

No ecc is valuable

For cad I can see why they want it

[vast meadow]

Fair enough

[dull flint]

But to have the whole quadfecta...I doubt you'll find the match made in heaven

Me personally, I use a 13900KS system with 64gb ddr5

It's not true ecc, just on-die

But it's been pretty stable for work

13th gen is also super quick in cad

[vast meadow]

But it's better than nothing and a hell of a lot cheaper

[hexed solar]

What kind of works are you into?

[dull flint]

I do engineering mate

I'm working up to full time

I mean if you're asking specifics...I go all over the shop

Engine parts, rotors, small manufacturing pieces

Basic bits mainly

If you wanted to approach this with an unlimited budget the sky is honestly the limit but sacrificing some features would get you either the compute measures or form factor you'd want

Like you could double down instead on basic speed ddr5 and just run it conservatively

Would be a bit wiser to budget, but no true ecc

But you could def run itx like that

Like a 4090 Ventus and a Unify I

Or B760i edge

Or instead go full tower or ATX and use a w680** board

I would def lean towards intel here tho, otherwise threadripper with an ecc board, maybe xeon (not as great value for money tho)

Ah oops

W790 is definitely not lga1700

💀

What's the board I was thinking of then?

Ah it's w680

Mb @hexed solar I had W680 and W790 mixed up

W790 is like, new gen Xeon lmao

[hexed solar]

ITs cool. The Asrock Rack ha a new M-ATX motherborad coming out feating the w3400 format, W790D8UD-1L1N2T/BCM - https://www.asrockrack.com/general/productdetail.asp?Model=W790D8UD-1L1N2T/BCM#Specifications

This is perfect in all directions. But this board will not come out for almost another year for sure. Testing just on the board will start in the middle of August.

So I would need some real patieance with that one for sure, and build everything else and get the last items after it comes out.

So right now I want to see if IITX can offer me what I would want.

@dull flint @vast meadow Thank you so much!!!

[dull flint]

All good. If you wanted something today* and itx for now I'd do a 4800 ddr5 b760i 13600k rig

Or 5600 c46 jedec stuff

Run that with say, 7900 XT or XTX (or a 4090 ventus depending on what apps you need, amd is better for cad tho) in say a jonsbo d31 or something smaller

Idk if you have a specific aesthetic for itx ur after @hexed solar but depending on the card you could get away with fairly small cases

See if I can make a list rq

[vast meadow]

No problem

[dull flint]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NRt2Q6

Example

Just shy of 2K

[hexed solar]

Thank you so much! I now have my work cut out for me! Have a great day

[dull flint]

All good mate

[cyan raft]

Oh damn, I never realized you also are an engineer

[vast meadow]

By the way if you don't care about the colour matching, you can get the black version of the power supply for 25 less
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Q36qqs/cooler-master-v850-sfx-gold-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-sfx-power-supply-mpy-8501-sfhagv-us

[frosty depot]

Is a 12100 good enough for twitch streaming while gaming?

[burnt spear]

Ehhh, if using nvenc or qsv maybe

But also depends on what you're streaming

[vast meadow]

Depends on the gpu being used tbh ye

[frosty depot]

guy just wants to stream valorant and siege

[frosty depot]

6600

[vast meadow]

Ah yeah 12100 will do fine then

As long as they use the gpu encoder

Cpu encoding would not be fun

[frosty depot]

Alright, looks like I'm gonna need to learn this stuff in order to help him.

He didn't tell me that he was wanting to stream when we were talking about building him a PC for gaming.

[vast meadow]

As long as you have a 20 nv or 6k amd gpu it's basically the same

And obs is really easy to setup

[frosty depot]

awright

[burnt spear]

What's the budget for the tower?

12400f 6650xt doable in$600

[frosty depot]

I already built and sold it to him.

although it was a 12100/6600 for $1k xD

But all parts were brand new and didn't go with cheapest of cheap.

[burnt spear]

Ahh alright

1k for that's insane lol, this is $650 https://pcpartpicker.com/list/psChDq

[frosty depot]

yeah, but good 32gb ddr4 / good good NVME / 4000D ariflow case / good quality fans / and an msi z690 so he has a little upgrade path.

[burnt spear]

Ahh

[frosty depot]

Total cost was only $740, but I charged a fee for my time and knowledge in building the PC, then I charged a fee for fine tuning (RAM/GPU OC / debloat / optimal windows settings). He gladly paid me $1k and the dude has been sending me messages/videos all day every day with how pleased he is.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zdXj8r

@burnt spear sorry, forgot link

[cyan raft]

Bruh that ram is so overpriced

[vast meadow]

I'd say they already had it, it's not even that overpriced that kit now would cost like ~50

If it was a 16gb kit yeah but 60 for 32gb isn't far off the cheapest currently

[cyan raft]

Couldn’t you get silicon power kits for like $30 for 32Gb?

Not sure now but you used to be able to

[dull flint]

No?

They've been stagnant ~$50-ish for a long long time

Maybe used?

[amber canopy]

used ram > new

[vast meadow]

thats for 16gb, it never got that low

[scenic solar]

Found a b450 aorus elite for 20€, in the description it says non working because of bios problems (was likely bricked), would it make sense to get it and somehow try to repair it?
I know there are some tools that like connect to the bios chip and are often used to restore precise bios versions or install custom ones.
I don't know where the chip is on this mb but if it is possible I could try soldering a new one if those can be bought somewhere like off AliExpress

[long geyser]

Bit more questionable with GB. They typically have a multi BIOS chip setup, one is read only with a non updating BIOS version and other is read/write that gets used for boot. If POST fails a few times, main BIOS gets overwritten with backup BIOS.

Still possible for corrupt BIOS (bad data on backup or either chip is dead), but not as likely. Also mb may not have the feature (didn't look it up), but I really doubt that. Been a GB feature for some time now.

[steady rain]

Couple questions, is xmp worth turning on, if so, why? Second question is it normal to have about a gigabyte of my ram to be hardware reserved

[grizzled bloom]

Yes turn on XMP so your memory runs at the speed it was meant to run at, instead of super slow jedec speed.
Reserved memory is totally normal.

[drowsy nymph]

2100mhz

[vast meadow]

You'll see a big performance increase with it on

[ashen pulsar]

my gpu blocks two of them

but what might be worth putting in these slots?

this motherboard might make a good server computer board thinking ahead

[vast meadow]

You can put networking cards (for better wifi/ethernet) although the chances are you don't even have gigabyte internet at home, can use it to add more storage, not many other uses

[steady rain]

Performance as in fps?

[vast meadow]

Yes in fps, especially in 1% lows (less and less drastic fps drops) but also just the speed of the system overall

[steady rain]

Oh awesome

[ashen pulsar]

yeah the one use I have is perhaps a capture card

[drowsy nymph]

SLI

3X GPU use them for F@H for the official unofficial Newegg F@H team

[ashen pulsar]

the slots are only x1 tho

[amber lantern]

anyone else have gskill ram and when trying to use the rgb software it just says DRAM and not sync and will not allow u to change the rgb on them?

[cursive epoch]

try openrgb

[grizzled bloom]

Been waiting for this one. Let's see how much it really does. https://youtu.be/XT_Km8UzZvY

[upper aspen]

inst 6000mhz ideal for am5?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes but no

This video is regarding a new bios version that allows much faster memory

Specifically it allows 2:1 uclk:mclk

[upper aspen]

oh ya for sure I feel u on that uclk mclk

im gonna do some ram oc next week kinda hype but also scared lolz

[grizzled bloom]

Here's what we've been waiting for, raw data with timings. This might change if you're lucky and are able to run 8000 stable, but BZ only got 7600.

[frosty depot]

Do you have one for intel 13700k?

I'm currently running xmp 5600, but it's hynix so I know it can run much higher.

[grizzled bloom]

Not in this vid, Intel behaves completely different

[frosty depot]

😦

[upper aspen]

waits whats a good test to see if one ram oc performs better than another? Cinebench?

[grizzled bloom]

Ycruncher and pyprime

Ycruncher likes bandwidth, pyprime likes latency

Cinebench likes CPU clock speed and isn't memory sensitive as much

[dull flint]

Jfc that difference is REALLY small for being decoupled

[grizzled bloom]

Yep. And it'll be even smaller if you can stabilize higher. I've seen some people getting 8400 stable.

[dull flint]

So is the left chart, what freq is it

[grizzled bloom]

BZ only got 7600 on his "budget" boards

[grizzled bloom]

6200 on the left

[dull flint]

Oh wait 6200

God damn

So 8400 vs 6400 synced, new AMD meta

Cos one guy and his team decided to fill their spare time up toying with the new agesa

Lmfao

[grizzled bloom]

I think said team got tired of people comparing RAM speeds to Intel and finally they said "F it we can do it too, just watch"

[dull flint]

That is really cool. I need to try it

I'm over here with a gene

[marble knot]

could i put a 3900x in a b450 aorus elite v2? idk how much power it can take

[grizzled bloom]

That is a D tier VRM board, it can handle the 3900X at stock settings with some airflow over the VRM

It should do 100A with only a little airflow, like the passive airflow you get from an air cooler

[burnt spear]

If you already own the two, it's fine

If not and you're buying used and it's a good deal, also fine

If buying new hell no to both of them

[grizzled bloom]

Mmm food deal

I'm hungry

[cyan raft]

If a buyer buys me food, instant discount

[burnt spear]

I read this last night and was so confused, just came back to it and just got what was wrong lmao

[marble knot]

ok, ive got a lot of fans and my vrms are at like 60c while playing games

[cursive epoch]

that's with 3600?

3900x takes a lot more power

if you're gaming though the upgrade to 5600 would be cheaper choice

[vast meadow]

Eh 1 gen 1 tier upgrade isn't worth it

I'd go at least to 5600x3d or 5700x

Or wait dor next gen stuff

[burnt spear]

im assuming they already own the 3900x so no point in going to 5600 like patos saying

[vast meadow]

Well there name says 3600

[burnt spear]

oh you're right, they were asking about 3900x so i was confused

I would definitely not buy a 3900x then, it has near identical performance in gaming to the 3600

within 5%

5600 would be an ok upgrade but not super worth it, unless you got one used on a decent deal. otherwise I'd only really consider 5600x3d/5800x3d

[amber canopy]

something seems.... off

[hard leaf]

yeah its dirty... and you only have 2 ram slots

[frosty depot]

The clips for all 4 dimms?

Oh wait

Whoah.

[amber canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-stress-stress-meme-gif-23427373

[dull flint]

How tf

[limber dragon]

"better overclocking with half the ram slots"

[tender turtle]

helo

can someon help

[frosty depot]

We don't know.

[tender turtle]

:((((((((((((((((((((((

[frosty depot]

Maybe if you enlightened us with the issue you are having, we might possibly could help you.

[tender turtle]

okok

so

I wanna upgrade my pc

i have a ryzen 5 3600 and 1070

and i wanna get a ryzen 7 5700x and rx 6700xt

but idkk if thats gooooooooood

[grizzled bloom]

Are you near a microcenter?

[tender turtle]

yayayaya

i was gonna go there tmr

[grizzled bloom]

5600X3D

[tender turtle]

get that one?

[grizzled bloom]

Yep

[tender turtle]

why

[grizzled bloom]

It has the 3D vcache so it's as fast as a 12900k

When gaming

[tender turtle]

ooooooooooooooooo

is it cheaper

[grizzled bloom]

Much

$230

[tender turtle]

so its better then the 5700x

?

[grizzled bloom]

It's as good as the newer generation 7600X, so it's like a free generational upgrade

So yes it's a lot faster than the 5700X

[tender turtle]

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

will it go good with my mobo tho?

i have a asrock b450m steel legend

[grizzled bloom]

It's a very low power CPU, as long as you update the motherboard bios it'll be perfect

[tender turtle]

how do you

do that😭 😐

noo its ok actualy

ill watch a linus video

tysmmmmmmm

<3

[grizzled bloom]

Latest bios https://download.asrock.com/BIOS/AM4/B450M Steel Legend(8.01)ROM.zip
Asrock instructions https://www.asrock.com/support/BIOSIG.asp?cat=BIOS10

[tender turtle]

🤩 🤩 🤩 🤩 🤩 🤩 🤩 🤩

THANKJKKK U

[grizzled bloom]

Happy to help 👍

[spiral fulcrum]

so I have 2 options their price is close, both have the same specs, strix g17/18, rtx 4080 qhd 240 hz screen etc

17 inches 7945hx
18 inches 13980hx

which one should I get

I want a bigger screen but I'm not sure which cpu here is the better

price difference is very little but 18 is more expensive

[grizzled bloom]

The 7945 is more power efficient and better at all core workloads.
The 13980 is better at lightly threaded things, like gaming.

[spiral fulcrum]

how better r we talking abt btw

power efficiency matters to me but I also want a bigger screen I'm not sure rn

I'll use it mainly for game development (and also gaming u know) and video editing btw

[grizzled bloom]

It's not a huge difference https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-compare/intel-core-i9-13980hx-vs-amd-ryzen-9-7945hx

[spiral fulcrum]

what abt temps?

[grizzled bloom]

That's more up to the cooling solution in the laptop

[spiral fulcrum]

well both r in the same laptop

[grizzled bloom]

And I recall being told that the cooling in that model was good too

[dull flint]

Iirc the 13980hx is just a 13900k in a laptop

And likes to draw whatever power you give it

Meanwhile the 7945hx is also just basically an eco mode 7950x afaik

And has a much lower tdp

If you asked me which of the two to pick price aside I'd go zen 4 for battery life just being several degrees better

[spiral fulcrum]

ok thanks 👍

[mild jackal]

ARM 💪

[vast meadow]

LEG 🦵

[manic plinth]

What mother board yall using to overclock ddr5?

I'm lookin to grab something that'll hit 8000 if my MC allows it

[cyan raft]

Apex or bust

[manic plinth]

Jesus CHRIST

I was lookin at the maximus hero. Thoughts?

[dull flint]

Apex, kingpin or msi itx

Hero is a meme

[manic plinth]

Understood

[dull flint]

Ur not spoiled for choice and 8000+ isn't easy

Not something I'd guarantee buying an 8000 DDR5 kit will just turn on and work with these boards either

[manic plinth]

What's the MSI one?

[dull flint]

Z690i unify/Z790i edge

[manic plinth]

Whys it so cheap in comparison to the others? Obviously I know mo money mo better isn't true.

[dull flint]

I don't have an answer to that question 💀

I will say tho, those boards are still expensive itx boards

[manic plinth]

Bruh

[dull flint]

Relatively speaking you're still throwing hundreds extra for a few percent

[manic plinth]

I paid 200 for a prime-a stg the msi only 350

I'm brain dead

[dull flint]

Yes

And normally we recommend boards under 150 around here

Because you get the 95%+ experience for those prices

[manic plinth]

Can't run anything more than like 6000 on a prime a mobo

[dull flint]

Z690 ye?

[manic plinth]

790

[dull flint]

Whoa

💀

[manic plinth]

Idk if it's the mobo or my MC

[cyan raft]

Probably both

[dull flint]

I'd expect more out of a 790 prime

Unless you're doing something weird

Like 4 sticks of ram

[manic plinth]

2 sticks

[cyan raft]

Even with a 💩 level board, I’d expect more than 6000

[manic plinth]

I can't even get 7000 to run stable LOOOSE

7200 a die kit from hynix

[dull flint]

Could be voltage settings

[cyan raft]

Probably is voltage

Can’t just send voltage to the moon with DDR5

[dull flint]

I'm so hungry

[manic plinth]

Elaborate

[cyan raft]

Every voltage has a sweet spot

[manic plinth]

Why cant this be like b die

[dull flint]

Ddr4 you could just yeet voltages a lot of the time and get away with more stability

Ddr5 is...

It's more like a Rubik's cube

More ≠ better a lot of the time

It likes sweet spots

[manic plinth]

I'll mess around with it later. Just annoying I can't do at least 7000 without prime 95 dying or pc flat out crashing

[dull flint]

Sometimes the difference of 0.01V can mean the difference between no post and 3000% stable

[cyan raft]

I’ve spent a few weeks now trying to get 8000 stable

And it’s pain

[manic plinth]

I'd suck toes for 7200

[dull flint]

It's really hard if you aren't even on the right board to begin with

But tbh

[cyan raft]

I’m on a Z790 Aorus Master so it’s really damn difficult

[dull flint]

If you have anything 7000+, you're spending hundreds on a new board for maybe a couple %

[cyan raft]

And the same mobo can have wildly different outcomes

[dull flint]

So not worth pursuing

[cyan raft]

My old AM maxed out at 6800 posting

The new one is hitting 8400 posting

[manic plinth]

Jeez

That's big BUCKS

[cyan raft]

I regret it

I should’ve spent the extra $200 on an apex

[manic plinth]

I would buy the king pin but they have a two day delivery window

I want it today 😩

[dull flint]

Lmao

Two days is fast af

[manic plinth]

Usually everything is same day or overnight

This one though 2 days L

[dull flint]

I'm lucky where I live to get 2 days

[manic plinth]

I'm spoiled IG

[dull flint]

Most things are over a week

[manic plinth]

#firstworldprobs

Dead ass wish I could just pay someone to OC my stuff

Too lazy and annoyed at this point

Y cruncher vst kills everything good I've ever had

[dull flint]

OC takes practice

Ram oc in particular you're still learning after years

[cyan raft]

^^^

Ram OC is pain

DDR4 is fairly easy, DDR5 is pain

[tender turtle]

HELPPPLSS

heloo

🙏

[cyan raft]

!ask

[tender turtle]

o

[cyan raft]

Aww that’s not a command anymore

[tender turtle]

ping techie?

should i?

[cyan raft]

Ask the damn question, don’t just say HELPPPLSS

[tender turtle]

ooo sory

what this mean

[grizzled bloom]

If you don't use bitlocker or you don't know what that is, press Y.
If you use bitlocker, press N to disable TPM and you'll need to use your recovery key.

[tender turtle]

o

ok

[naive pendant]

old pc, only powers when just mobo is plugged in, if i plug anything else other than mobo in it doesnt power. any ideas?

[grizzled bloom]

Bad power supply perhaps

[frosty depot]

It might be ?ask

?ask

[silk jungle]

Don't ask to ask, just ask!

[cyan raft]

Meh, it ain’t the same

[wind karma]

It should link to the site as well

https://dontasktoask.com/

[frosty depot]

Ah yeah, I was thinking it looked funky.

[mild jackal]

I thought we included that in the macro

Guess not

hmm

idk who added this

?forks

[silk jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-chris-pratt-wait-hold-up-stop-gif-13605127

[mild jackal]

?ask

[silk jungle]

Don't ask to ask, just ask!

https://dontasktoask.com/

[mild jackal]

@wind karma Fixed

[grizzled bloom]

(Oh no, forks found my endgame plan! Calm down, maybe he didn't find the script that triggers when that command is executed...)

[silk jungle]

Don't ask to ask, just ask!

https://dontasktoask.com/

[dull flint]

no. It's specifically designed not to be

they jumble everything up and change where the key in the slot is (The little divot on the bottom of the ram stick) to be different so it physically won't fit

Sadge

[wind karma]

Bot broken? Or deleted messages?

[upper aspen]

ask

,ask

!ask

.ask

bot broklen fr

[cursive epoch]

?ask

yep bot ded

it's ded again

[steady wigeon]

My friend ordered a Gigabyte B550m and I wanted to know if it was a decent mobo before his return window expires

[grizzled bloom]

It's fine for most people

[frosty depot]

Bot went haywire. Had to throw out it's own command 1 last time before it deded.

[agile gulch]

hello I got pretty much most things sorted out I just need help picking out a new motherboard because all my friends have said it’s a faulty mobo since the computer turns on but no the gpu, cpu or anything else. My budget is under $200 CAD please dm me because I do have some in mind I’m just not sure if it would work with what I got.

[grizzled bloom]

We typically prefer to keep conversations here for 2 reasons: Someone might have additional input or an idea someone else didn't think of, and this way others can look at the conversation and maybe it'll help someone later.
As far as the parts are concerned, start with what you have. It might be as simple as you need a BIOS update.

[agile gulch]

Not even my monitors turn on tho and sorry i apologize for that

[grizzled bloom]

Right, if the board needs a bios update you might be able to do it without turning it on at all depending on the model motherboard and CPU you have

And this would be a classic symptom of an incompatible bios, especially if there's a light near the 24 pin plug that stays on next to the "CPU" or "RAM" label

[agile gulch]

I have a Msi b550m pro vdh and amd Ryzon 5 5600 how do i do Bios Upgrade without turning it on?

The light next to the cup and ram does turn on

[grizzled bloom]

With the 5600 non-X it does definitely need a BIOS update

Luckily you have a model of motherboard with flashback, so it's nice and easy

[agile gulch]

Okay sounds good but I still don’t know how to run a bios upgrade if my Monitors don’t turn on too

[grizzled bloom]

If the monitor doesn't detect a signal it won't turn on, this is normal. You won't be turning it on anyway.

[agile gulch]

Oh okay how do i do a bios upgrade?

[grizzled bloom]

Download this and extract it to a FAT32 format USB drive https://download.msi.com/bos_exe/mb/7C95v2G.zip
Plug the USB drive into the USB port that's right here

Whoops I forgot a step

Here

Page 45 in your manual for reference

[agile gulch]

oh I see i would need another computer of some sort tho to fix it?

Because I’m not sure how to download without a computer

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah to download, extract, and rename the bios file

[agile gulch]

Oh okay

[grizzled bloom]

You can do it on an android phone if you have the adapter to plug a USB drive in

Or iphone for that matter

[agile gulch]

Ah i don’t have habe a usb drive for my phone but its okay i can possibly ask my sister to download on her computer

[grizzled bloom]

That would be perfect

[agile gulch]

Okay and if everything doesn’t go that way it is expected would I have to go get another motherboard?

[grizzled bloom]

I'm 99% sure this will fix it, if it comes to that 1% we'll address it then

Sometimes the flash takes a couple of tries, and I've seen some boards dislike certain USB drives, but it usually ends up working

[agile gulch]

Okay I’ll let you know how it goes once i get to it

Thank you I appreciate it

[grizzled bloom]

Happy to help

[violet helm]

best ddr4 with rgb?

[grizzled bloom]

In what budget? Because I can recommend a kit for $300 right now

[dull flint]

Could also recommend a kit for under 60 as well

[grizzled bloom]

A single stick would be $23 also

[dull flint]

Could also go for a $1300 kit too

[violet helm]

ok uhhhhh

like

$150 max for 64gb?

idek

im not sure

nothing crazy please

lol

just good ram that like

you would use

[grizzled bloom]

Do you need 64GB? Because that is the point where you trade capacity for speed, and it gets slower

[violet helm]

oh

well then ill just keep my 32gb of corsair ram

idek

lol

[grizzled bloom]

If anything just overclock what you have then, yeah

[dull flint]

Iirc the g.skill ripjaws 3200 kit

[violet helm]

3200

[dull flint]

Is the kit

[violet helm]

i have more than 3200

mhz

i think

idek

i think 32gb will be fine

[dull flint]

Yes but 64gb is harder to run at higher frequencies

[violet helm]

yeah

i know

lol

i actually need to get a new ssd

[grizzled bloom]

You can still overclock it just not as much as a better kit depending on the die used https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/oc-guide/DDR4 OC Guide.md

[violet helm]

falcie can u help me in #storage-devices

[dull flint]

Oh I missed this part mb

[violet helm]

if you know abt that stuff

[untold snow]

So it’s been more than 12yrs since I built a rig… Intel had a slight edge back then for processors but AMD was a much better price. I need a new rig since my Windows7 is running into compatibility issues with my school website. My old setup still runs but I would like to update things a bit. What am I looking for CPU and Mobo wise for mostly word processing with a smattering of content creation. Working with an ATX tower w/ 750w PSU. Still useful at that age?

[grizzled bloom]

You can upgrade your windows 7 to 10 for free

Other than that pretty much everything is different. You could reuse things like the case and fans, maybe cooler, but I don't advise that you do so.

[untold snow]

Why would the case matter? I’m not interested in lighting or colors, or really even having the tower visible at all.

[grizzled bloom]

Mostly for cable management and airflow reasons

Older style cases have the drive cages in front blocking the airflow, and they usually didn't let you run as many cables hidden behind the motherboard

Those drive cages would also block you from installing the more recent large GPUs too

[untold snow]

Lol stock fan on an i3-2350 CPU. No cooler to speak of, other than the whole thing being right beside the AC vent. Vid card shows compatibility issues but I don’t really have time for much gaming, so no need for discreet GPU anymore.

[grizzled bloom]

In that case if you don't need a discrete GPU, you can get a Ryzen 7600, DDR5 memory, and a motherboard and call it good

Ryzen over Intel because the integrated GPU is a lot better

[untold snow]

Word

[mild jackal]

If it's a pure email/facebook machine, am5 igpu is fine, 1440p youtube + discord, not so much

That said, you can spend $30 on an ebay card and not have that problem

[untold snow]

Would like to use it for 4k video streaming, since it’s also my tv

[grizzled bloom]

Mmm, Arc A380 then?

[mild jackal]

If you've got the budget, and want power for whatever encoding/decoding you might need in the future, that $220 a750 is a good choice.

[grizzled bloom]

A750 is a great 4k plex card if you're doing the transcoding on site

[mild jackal]

Maybe there's a similar deal on the a380

[grizzled bloom]

A380 is $120 and you get AV1

[untold snow]

Word processing, minor programming, some 3D modeling and texturing workloads for building design.

[mild jackal]

yeah - unless you're really budget limited, I wouln't go with am5 igpu, though, you always have the option to upgrade

I used to daily 7950x igpu, it really struggled with youtube + discord + chrome

Stutter, general pain

[grizzled bloom]

CAD tends to use the CPU more than the GPU so it would still be a good idea to get a 7600 or an Intel 13500

[mild jackal]

yeah, you'll probably want the best single thread performance you can justify. What cad program?

Freecad/solidworks/fusion all love single thread performance, you'll be well off on any am5/current intel

[untold snow]

I don’t do industry work yet. That’s what the skoolin’ is fer. I use Blender to model my 3D stuff and Gimp for 2D

[mild jackal]

Would your blender use case benefit from a nvidia card?

[grizzled bloom]

Blender can use either GPU or CPU but GPU tends to be faster

[untold snow]

Was looking at at AMD 7 _ 7700

But is it that much more solid than the 5600G?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes it's better in every way

[untold snow]

Twice the price

[mild jackal]

It's not twice as fast, but it's faster

[grizzled bloom]

The 5600g is just a 3600X with integrated graphics and no PCIe 4.0

The 7700 is twice as fast as the 3600X in blender

[mild jackal]

kinda, half the cache

Also monolithic, no i/o die etc

[grizzled bloom]

12 minute render instead of 24

[untold snow]

So actually looks like a good midrange choice

[grizzled bloom]

Ok if that's the route you're looking at, here's what that looks like price-wise: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FGFNn6

[burnt spear]

Multi core loads would get that cpu pretty hot, would likely thermal throttle on stock cooler I think

Correct me if I'm wrong please I could be completely off

[grizzled bloom]

You can run the 7800X3D on the stock cooler without throttling I know that much

[burnt spear]

In gaming yeah I think so, but multi core the 7700 gets fairly hot

Though I forget exactly why I think am5 is very limited by thermal transfer

[grizzled bloom]

The thick IHS

[burnt spear]

So maybe it won't make a big difference in actuality

Idk, I guess can always upgrade cooler down the line if it ends up being needed

[burnt spear]

Do yk if r23 is multi core version?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes

R20 has multi core too though

The main difference is AVX iirc

[burnt spear]

No I mean in that comparison

It might be the single core test for the Temps in that comparison

Idk, I say go with your list for now, if it ends up having Temps issue just grab a pa120 se or thermalright frozen notte 240 down the line

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah it's easy to upgrade the cooler if needed. I doubt it'll be needed.

The 7700 is only a 65W processor after all

[untold snow]

Thanky kindly. Will look at those for sure. Any firm reason for that particular Mobo?

[grizzled bloom]

The board has wifi included, as well as lots of M.2 slots to expand your storage later

I figure wifi is important at the dorms

Cheaper boards in general also don't have as good cooling on the power delivery

[untold snow]

Ah. I was looking at a bit higher end. Not on a campus but it will be a while before I can afford to rewire my house for ethernet in every room, so wifi is nice. Current usb adapter isn’t spectacular

[grizzled bloom]

There's no point going higher end tbh, there's no extra features you'll be using or anything

[burnt spear]

Seconded, that board is the board I most often recc for am5, aside from pretty high end builds, like $1600+

Even that's pushing it, probably closer to 2k

Aside from if b650m pro rs wifi is on sale at $125

Could potentially do this but not really any point, experience wise there won't really be a difference unless you carry it over with a new am5 cpu in two generations, in one it would be the same experience too likely https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cRQcCJ/msi-pro-b650m-a-wifi-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-pro-b650m-a-wifi

I worded that terribly I hope it made sense

[untold snow]

Wow, looks as good as the ASUS B650E I was looking at for less than half the cost

[burnt spear]

A lot of boards that are over $200 are mostly marketing and have a few very niche features that brands overcharge for

Or are just stupidly priced

[untold snow]

Indeed. Prices seem to be all over compared to when I last shopped

[cedar kindle]

currently running a ryzen 9 3900X with a 3080. The next upgrade is probably my CPU, is it worth going AM5 and upgrading mobo and RAM or stick with AM4?

[grizzled bloom]

The performance between, say, a 7600 and the 5800X3D, will be very similar. The biggest change there would be the option to upgrade the platform more later.

[cedar kindle]

that what I was thinking, if I want to upgrade my GPU to the 40 series at some point and go the 5800x3d route now, would it still be a good combo?

[grizzled bloom]

Up to about the 4070 ti / 7900 XT you'd be perfectly fine on the X3D

Any higher and you'll actually want a higher tier CPU to keep up, even at 1440p

[cedar kindle]

ahh, I forgot to mention I'm currently running two 4k monitors one for gaming one for discord and stuff

[grizzled bloom]

Ok at 4k the X3D should be ok but it'll depend on the game

[cedar kindle]

I guess it's that debate of go for an upgrade now for short term gains or save up a bit and go for the long term ones

[grizzled bloom]

Yep

It's not made any easier by how close in performance the 7600/7700 are to the 5800X3D

[cedar kindle]

that's what my fear was lol

[orchid raft]

I’m confused I only have a 4+4 cpu cable

Do I need the extra 4 pin?

[dull flint]

You don't

It's fine

[orchid raft]

What’s it for?

A stronger cpu?

[dull flint]

Just more power/cleaner power

Yeah if the cpu needs it

[orchid raft]

Gotcha thank you

It’s just a budget build for my friend and this is the first time I’ve seen that

[dull flint]

Yeah it's just extra power

You shouldn't ever need that unless this was like some crazy overvolted cpu or a 13900k

If neither of these apply to you (budget so they don't) then ur good lol

[grizzled bloom]

A single 4+4 cable is specced to handle at least 336W so yeah, at stock settings a 13900K is really the only thing that'll pull that and even then it's only in certain conditions.

[mild jackal]

In practice, I think it's the plug/mobo connector pins that are the weak point.

[maiden anvil]

I currently have 16gb of xpg ddr4 3200 ram. Doesn't run at 3200 unfortunately lol. My goal is to upgrade to 32 or possibly higher. Should I get rid of low performing 16gb and buy a fresh kit of 32 or higher? Current specs ryzen 3600 , 16gb ddr4 3200 ram, 3060ti, asus b550 prime plus mobo, 2TB ssd etc.. Thanks in advance

[vast meadow]

yep easiest thing is to just buy a 2x16gb kit they go for like 50$ now anyway

[amber canopy]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/134680329020?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=GIvhZ9O4Rde&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=_7_DT4njQKy&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY not gonna be super competitive but there may be a couple decent sticks in here. Though they may all be ST 6 layer PCBs so in that case they'd suck balls

@royal elk

[royal elk]

Hmm

[amber canopy]

But yea it's a decent price

[maiden anvil]

That's what I'm looking into. Corsair is $79 for 32gb 3600 ddr4 they have non RGB $60 ish

[grizzled bloom]

Corsair DDR4 is really bad, it often can't hit it's rated speed

[vast meadow]

When it comes to ram brand doesn't matter so get whatever is cheapest for the speed, id recommend sorting my low to high and using the filters on this website, assuming you're in the US, if not you can change country on the website
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/memory/

[burnt spear]

32gb 3200c16 is $48 from silicon power

If you've an amd 3000/5000 series cpu 3600c18 is worth it around $52-55 from oloy or teamgroup

[grizzled bloom]

He does, he said amd 3600

So yes 3600 speed mem is ideal

[burnt spear]

Ah ty, missed that

[maiden anvil]

Thank you everyone

[amber canopy]

I have a stick that spits out errors at jedec 2133

[maiden anvil]

My pc knowlege is limited so forgive an easy question. Can I ask why the brand doesn't matter much in this situation? Is it like everything else where there's only a handful of manufacturers and they get different labels/brands?

[grizzled bloom]

At relatively low speeds like 3600 you don't need to worry about quality as much. Especially if you aren't going to overclock.

You can get a $150 kit of Trident z royals that might be great build quality, but are functionally identical to kits almost 1/3 the price

[maiden anvil]

I just want something better than the XPG that I have currently. If it says 3600 id like to reliably run the memory at that speed. Oloy and TeamGroup was mentioned earlier are those on the Asus approved list for my b550 prime plus MOBO?

[long geyser]

Mainly cuz a lot of the time you should be going by the rule of . Brand does not guarantee product quality. It typically only guarantees a set level of product availability and customer support quality for your region.

Lastly the point that Fal'cie mentioned, RAM quality rarely matters if you arent tuning it. There is typically a min bar of quality you should go for (like 3200MT/s - 3600MT/s DDR4 freq), but most other factors dont really help the average person. Quality RAM performance only really comes from manual tuning which the average person wont do. Thus the average person shouldnt worry too much about RAM quality. Usually they should just go for cheapest GB/$ that they can afford.

[maiden anvil]

I can't the 3200 ddr4 xpg to run at 3200 without crashing. Runs ok at 2666

Get*

[grizzled bloom]

Are you enabling XMP or just changing the frequency?

[maiden anvil]

I have docp going

[eternal helm]

What slots is the ram in?

[maiden anvil]

2 and 4

I can get it to run for a little bit at 3200. I'm wondering if there's any other possible issues contributing to the shutdowns besides the memory

[frosty depot]

What does windows event viewer say around the time of the crashes?

Have you tried checking crash dumps with WhoCrashed?

[proper sinew]

Whats ok ddr5 model?

Mhz and cl

[manic plinth]

does anyone else have the z790 kingpin?

[cyan raft]

You feel like manually tuning it?

[manic plinth]

why is my mobo Blowing up my ram

[proper sinew]

What to get instead of 3200 cl16 ddr4

[manic plinth]

its literally set to 1.435 in bios

tf

[proper sinew]

No, idk whats that

[cyan raft]

Like manually setting timings and that instead of XMP

[proper sinew]

No

[grizzled bloom]

Here's a few options https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/nvjNnQ,KV4BD3,P7RYcf,mWGhP6/

Functionally they'll be identical

[proper sinew]

I was thinking of ddr5

Is it really that better than ddr4

[grizzled bloom]

Ah, what country

And yes it is, but also costs more

[proper sinew]

Bosnia, but you wont find it

[proper sinew]

Ok if im looking for ddr5 what mhz and cl should i look for

[grizzled bloom]

Would amazon.de work? I don't know if they deliver there

[grizzled bloom]

What processor?

[cyan raft]

Also intel or AMD?

[proper sinew]

13400f

[grizzled bloom]

5600 c36 will work fine