cpus-mobo-and-memory

[sudden creek]

Bios keeps saying STARTING AUTOMATIC REPAIR.

Also blue screen.

[grizzled bloom]

46.5 multiplier maybe, unless you want to push more voltage

[sudden creek]

What's the risk of extra voltage? I know 1.35 is considered very risky.

Is staying within 1.3v safe?

[grizzled bloom]

Below 1.3v you won't kill it, but there is a risk of reduced life span of the chip

[sudden creek]

How much reduction?

Approximately of course.

[grizzled bloom]

It's not a significant reduction, more like reducing a 10 year usable life to 8

[sudden creek]

Yeah that's plenty of time.

Will throw at it 1.28v then.

Now attempting 1.3v. 🤞

[grizzled bloom]

Oh I never really explained that one. That's one you'd touch more for memory overclocking. Higher SoC voltage lets the infinity fabric run higher (to a point, then it has the opposite effect) which lets you run the memory at a higher speed while still synced to fclk.

[sudden creek]

Sorta understand also it seems it's time to down clock.

Blue screened again.

[grizzled bloom]

Dang. Still if you get 46.5 running that'll be a better score.

[sudden creek]

True.

Set, also disabled PBO just Incase.

.... Another blue screen.

Beginning to think this chip loves PBO but hates static OC.

[grizzled bloom]

46.25?

[sudden creek]

Oh wait.

It loaded in.

On 46.5

Let's see if it survived r13.

r23.

[grizzled bloom]

If not 46.25

[sudden creek]

Just crashed.

That didn't last long xD.

[grizzled bloom]

[sudden creek]

Let's pray 46.25 works.

So far so good.

Crash.

46 time.

I almost feel tempted to up the voltage.

[grizzled bloom]

46 should still get a better score because it doesn't have to calculate the boost

[sudden creek]

Ahh okay.

I wonder why when I used PBO in timespy my CPU could maintain a constant 4.8ghz or higher.

[grizzled bloom]

How's your cooling
Remember I ran up to 1.45v and it's still running

But that hit a max of 66C in the process

[sudden creek]

Just fine. Push/Pull LT720. After 4 hours of timespy my CPU maxed at about 56c.

[grizzled bloom]

You can push for more then if you don't mind the risk

[sudden creek]

Crashed again yargh.

[grizzled bloom]

1.35v is considered more risky but doable if you don't mind more life reduction

[sudden creek]

How bad of a reduction would that be?

[grizzled bloom]

Potentially down to 6 years from 10

If you ran that voltage every day

It gets exponentially worse from there

[sudden creek]

I'd switch between PBO and Manual with manual being used for when I run blender.

Hmmm, honestly I might do it because the CPU costs about $180 brand new and I can replace a $200 CPU if I saved up for like a month.

[grizzled bloom]

It'll cost even less later when it finally dies in a few years

[sudden creek]

True.

So try 1.33v?

[grizzled bloom]

I won't recommend it but you can do that next if you wanted

[sudden creek]

Let's see if it runs.

Damn it's shredding through the test.

Oh odd.

In HWinfo it says it's only pulling 1.26v also system crashed.

Any thoughts?

@grizzled bloom, should I trust HWinfo'# voltage count? I set it to 1.35v and it says my CPU is only currently pulling 1.27v.

Got a score of 15,068 in r23 all core.

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah that's the vdroop I mentioned

You can set a stronger LLC level if you want to get more load voltage

[sudden creek]

So a stronger LLC means more consistent voltage which is better for consistent frequencies right?

I am gonna try setting a stronger LLC and see if it'll let me set a higher boost clock.

Falcie, what was the best r23 score you got on your 5800x?

I feel kinda tempted to see if I can beat it or come very close to it after I find a find the best frequency for 1.35v.

[grizzled bloom]

https://hwbot.org/submission/5179917_falcie_cinebench___r23_multi_core_with_benchmate_ryzen_7_5800x_16931_cb

That's also with benchmate on which gets a slightly lower score due to overhead

[sudden creek]

16931 mhmm.

That's gonna be tough. I might need to put 1.4v to beat it.

[grizzled bloom]

You'll need more than that for sure

[sudden creek]

How risky is 1.45v for a 20m bench run?

Curious.

[grizzled bloom]

I did that run after letting my system chill outside in below freezing temps for an hour, ran it in the freezing weather, and it still hit 66C with the ideal AMD cooler

[sudden creek]

Seriously?

[grizzled bloom]

For a few quick benches, moderately risky at 1.45v

Probably not instant death but potential for severe degradation

[sudden creek]

Ahh I am probably gonna skip that then, does the same apply to 1.4v?

[grizzled bloom]

1.4 is a little more reasonable

Still not good long term but safer than 1.45 for benches

[sudden creek]

Gotcha.

Would it be bad if I maxed out the LLC level?

[grizzled bloom]

In theory yes

Maybe go to turbo mode instead of ultra extreme lol

[sudden creek]

Gotcha.

Let's see if I can get 4.7ghz to works

Nope.

Time to try 46.5

46.5 works.

NVM.

I think I am gonna try memory OC after I am done tuning the CPU.

[grizzled bloom]

You were still on that 3000 kit right?

[sudden creek]

Yeah, still saving up for the new kit.

Figured I may as well tune this kit till I have the new one.

[sudden creek]

What's that?

[grizzled bloom]

You can use that to find what memory die you have so you can tell what overclocking potential it has

[sudden creek]

Gotcha.

[grizzled bloom]

Load it, hit read, pick a stick (they're in order counting from the CPU), then hit report

[sudden creek]

Will try it after I finish this next bench. Seems 4.6ghz is as high as I am gonna get with 1.35v.

[grizzled bloom]

The first section will look something like this, that's what we need

[sudden creek]

uhhh ran into this issue

[grizzled bloom]

Are your chipset drivers installed?

[sudden creek]

how do I check?

[grizzled bloom]

Open device manager and see if anything has an exclamation point by it

[sudden creek]

doesn't look like it.

[grizzled bloom]

Hmm

Try installing it anyway https://download.gigabyte.com/FileList/Driver/mb_driver_597_chipset_3.10.22.706.zip?v=8221efa3b056086a2a4c34819e778697

If you don't remember installing it then it might have picked up a default driver with limited function from MS

[sudden creek]

ahh okay.

I unzipped it, and installed it I think.

should I restart?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes

If it still doesn't work there might be a security settings blocking it

[sudden creek]

oh gosh it's already 4 in the morning, didn't work but I will test it tomorrow.

[grizzled bloom]

Ok, yeah it's pretty late

G'night

[cinder basalt]

Can anyone help with BIOS or is there a specific channel for that?

I have Gigabyte B550 Vision D-P motherboard and saw that I could do an update on my BIOS. I did the update through the app center on gigabyte. It failed to update and now there’s a message every time I boot up my pc. I can bypass it and everything works still. I just can’t access my BIOS settings like I used to. I can’t press F12 to get to BIOS menu. I have a picture I can send but it won’t let me on here…

[sudden creek]

How do I reset RGB fusion? I messed with the calibration settings and I don't know how to revert it so it's not outputting like green when I set it to red.

[split copper]

🪦

[cinder basalt]

It still works

Now I know.

I can’t believe gigabyte support told me to do it through the app center. I’m message them back. Thank you

It’s not bricked.

“American
Megattends
Version 2.20.1271. Copyright (C) 2021 American Megatrends, Inc.
BIOS Date: 01/18/2021 Ver: F11
Press <DEL> to enter setup.
New CPU installed, fTPM/PSP NV corrupted or TPM/PSP NV structure changed.
Press Y to reset fTPM, if you have BitLocker or encryption enabled, the system will not boot without a recovery key
Press N to keep previous fTPM record and continue system boot, fPM will NOT enable in new CPU, you can swap back to the old CPU to recover TPM related Keys and data.”

This the message I get btw if Anyone knows anything. I’d appreciate the help. Seems like I can still manage to reflash it the old way or the CMOS but obviously that’s a risk as well.. this is all gigabyte support telling me how to do this but I ended getting screwed over lol

[hollow thorn]

Was bitlocker on? If not, reset ftpm

[sudden creek]

I keep getting this error in Thaiphoon when I try to read what my DDR4 kit die is. Please help!

i already closed Malwarebytes and I tried restarting my computer.

what does "Hard Reset" mean?

Is it going to reinstall my windows?

[mild jackal]

Don't use thaiphoon to read your sticks, post a picture of the label

and/or use the info pinned in #overclocking to find out

[limber dragon]

also if you're on windows 11, it kinda messes with things

[sudden creek]

Oh okay.

[sudden creek]

On the ram?

[mild jackal]

Yes, on the stick

Thaiphoon guesses, labels don't

[sudden creek]

Gotcha.

I will take a picture in just a second then.

[sudden creek]

This the label?

@mild jackal

[mild jackal]

Yep, that's it. Though, I'm not familiar with oloy part numbers. Maybe someone like @stiff kraken is

That said - I wouldn't bother trying to run some oloy 3000c16 sticks past xmp.

[sudden creek]

Why not?

[cursive epoch]

unknown die used in it

you can risk killing it without being able to identify which die it uses

cause you don't know the safe limits

[sudden creek]

Oh.

I was looking on Reddit and someone got their Oloy sticks same speed as mine to 3600 something Cl16.

[dull flint]

1.35V is definitely safe whatever it is tho

so you could play around with it keeping that voltage in mind

[cursive epoch]

tru

[sudden creek]

Noted.

Wanted to tune my ram as since the new Fortnite update came out stutters have become horrendous for everyone.

[dull flint]

I've heard that yeah

[sudden creek]

My friend is a prime example. 120 fps dips down to 20.

He's using a 13700K + 4080 with 3600cl16 ram.

[dull flint]

that's

yuck

lmao

[sudden creek]

yeah, and I am experiencing similar dips.

[dull flint]

yeah he'd benefit big time by tuning ram

1% lows go way up

[sudden creek]

Only reason mine aren't as bad is because I lowered all my game settings.

[dull flint]

is this a new engine or

just the update

[sudden creek]

Not sure, they released a new update and it basically ruined the game's performance.

[dull flint]

you can use UE4 and UE5 right?

[dull flint]

can't profanity dodge man

[sudden creek]

oh my bad.

[dull flint]

all good just saving the trouble

[sudden creek]

was very annoying because me and my friend play FN competititively.

Made the tournaments unplayable basically.

[dull flint]

[sudden creek]

i heard that the oloy ram might be using Samsung C die.

Is that good?

[dull flint]

depends on the sub timings

OLOY in my experience likes to use good kits in their high end stuff, not sure about this kit

[sudden creek]

what's the sub-timings?

this? 16-18-18-36

[dull flint]

ya

that could be, a lot of things

[sudden creek]

From what I am reading it's most likely C die on the 3000cl16 kits.

maybe d die.

from Samsung.

Do you know a good ram OC guide?

Gonna try my hand at tuning this kit later tonight.

[dull flint]

there's a good chance it's samsung yeah

[amber canopy]

unless it's C-dies

[sudden creek]

?

[grizzled bloom]

My C-die likes 1.38v and XMP is 1.35v so idk what you mean there bud

[amber canopy]

It's an obvious joke about the reputation of c-die.

[grizzled bloom]

It's definitely low tier out of the modern dies

[next thistle]

Hi! Should I be afraid if I don't see my ram in supported ram list of the my motherboard? It's a gigabyte z790 ud ac and the ram is patriot Viper Venom ddr5-4800 32gb

[burnt spear]

No you shouldnt , but if you haven't bought that ram yet please don't

[next thistle]

Already done 😮‍💨😮‍💨😮‍💨

[burnt spear]

4800mhz ddr5 is pretty much never worth it

[next thistle]

Me very sad...

[burnt spear]

It especially doesn't belong in a build where a z790 is being used, as I'm assuming you have a 13600k or higher?

[next thistle]

Was a good deal on amazon.ca...

[burnt spear]

What's a good deal

(Meaning how much did it cost)

[next thistle]

149.99 CAD

Finally I bought an i5-13600k

Should I return the Ram? I Already broke the cardboard seal 😒

[burnt spear]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/F6Tp99/kingston-fury-beast-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl36-memory-kf560c36bbeak2-32

If you can return it, do

[next thistle]

Did the RGB will be too high for my deepcool ak620 cpu cooler?

[burnt spear]

Check clearance

[next thistle]

Will be barely at the limit if I read well

[burnt spear]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/8fWzK8/patriot-viper-black-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl36-memory-pvv532g600c36k this might be shorter but I'm not sure

[next thistle]

That's the one I'm returning!

[burnt spear]

You said its 4800mhz

Do you mean that you don't have xmp enabled?

[stiff kraken]

@sudden creek
N: Samsung (don't ask)
D4: DDR4
U: UDIMM
08: 8 Gbit
30: 3000MHz
16: CL16
not sure about the rest, but I can tell you 100% they do not have IC information in the part number

[next thistle]

That what written on the box @burnt spear

[stiff kraken]

YMMV, my c-die was much better at 1.32v than 1.35v or any higher

[burnt spear]

Ah, then if that kit you bought fits, then that one I just sent will, it's just a good bit better for the same price

[stiff kraken]

anyways, given it's low tier samsung, c-die sounds likely

just stick to 1.35v and you'll be okay

[next thistle]

Should be compatible with the board?

[burnt spear]

More than should, it is

[stiff kraken]

even if freq/primaries don't move much you can get a lot of performance out of subtimings on any IC

there is not much info about oloy part numbers so I can't decipher the rest

I guess it's some internally used codes

[amber canopy]

The ebay auction loot has arrived

[amber canopy]

CPU came like this, super sweet

[royal elk]

Oooo

[amber canopy]

YEA YOUR 4770k IS LAME

[royal elk]

I'm gonna delid you

[amber canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/together-sleep-togeinumaki-watchyotone-watchyotonemf-deepwoken-gif-26219520

[delicate iris]

Yall think there is an Intel cpu/mobo combo for around 500 that wouldn't bottleneck a 3070ti? Finally got a big enough full tower case, now I need stuff to put in it.

[stiff kraken]

i5-12400F + cheap b660 is well under $500 and will do great with a 3070ti at 1080p

could get a 12600KF if you wanted to go a little higher and still be way below budget

a 13600KF/13700F would fit in budget but wouldn’t really recommend unless you’re looking to do more than gaming

on the ryzen side a 5800X3D + B550 would fit in budget, that’s not a bad option

wouldn’t consider ryzen 7000 in that budget

[delicate iris]

yeah im trying to build a rig specifically for VR gaming

tried AMD a couple times and gave up so going full intel this time.

@stiff kraken Found this combo, but it looks like the motherboard is "Dollar Tree Tier/Military Certified" https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.4540091 Not Familiar with intel chipset or CPU socket revisions so not sure what a Z690 is.

[stiff kraken]

nothing is wrong with that mobo

this is just not really worth it though

no reason to buy 12700K over 13600K unless the 12700K is extremely cheap

VR runs at pretty high resolutions right?

even 12400f will be overkill for your 3070ti at high resolutions

[delicate iris]

yeah, going to use a link cable on a quest 2. can't remember the per eye res but its over 4k combined resolution

[stiff kraken]

would just save money now and buy a 12400f then upgrade to a modern cpu next time you upgrade gpu

yeah, no point getting anything higher end than 12400f

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8jVHNc

[delicate iris]

ok, will do. thanks, probably also good to go lower tier cpu since I have to use an old air cooler instead of an AIO.

[stiff kraken]

if you have ddr4 already you can just reuse it

most coolers will be fine on the 12400f, even stock
your old cooler might not be compatible with lga1700

what cooler is it?

[delicate iris]

lemme check

[grizzled bloom]

It has to render each frame twice, once for each eye, at a slightly different camera offset. So yes it's effectively double whatever the claimed resolution is.

[stiff kraken]

intel changed the mounting for 12th/13th gen

[delicate iris]

sorry had to grab the mountng kit box, its a Noctua brand NH-C14S

yeah it says its only LGA115X in the manual

[grizzled bloom]

Noctua will send you an upgrade kit

[stiff kraken]

https://noctua.at/en/noctua-announces-free-of-charge-mounting-upgrades-and-updated-cpu-coolers-for-lga1700

[grizzled bloom]

Just ask their support

[stiff kraken]

contact them about it

you can also just buy the kit if you don’t have the proof of purchase anymore

https://www.amazon.com/Noctua-NM-i17xx-MP83-Mounting-Coolers-Platform/dp/B09FSWFRTQ

[grizzled bloom]

That's one thing that's been great about noctua, they stand by their products for the entire usable life of said product

[delicate iris]

i wonder if they'll send another fan :3. I bought this one cause it was LP but apparently u can stick a second fan on it. Not sure how much that would affect thermals

[stiff kraken]

probably not much

[grizzled bloom]

A couple degrees at best

[stiff kraken]

I’d guess the one fan can take care of the small heatsink just fine

[delicate iris]

yeah and i bet 140mm fans cost a lot more than their 120 counterparts

[stiff kraken]

they definitely wouldn’t send a free fan

[grizzled bloom]

Not really more expensive tbh

Most of the cost is the motor and bearings, not the plastics

[delicate iris]

Yay i bought it on Newegg 3 years ago so i still have the receipt 😄

[amber canopy]

gave my boy a fresh cut

[royal elk]

Cleaaan

[split copper]

Why you took his hat

[grizzled bloom]

@amber canopy Reseated. You weren't kidding about the socket seeing better days.
Still no response at all to power buttons. The only thing left I can think of is taking the whole thing out of the case and trying to boot bare minimum.

[amber canopy]

Man that's really weird. I'll keep trying to think of solutions too.

[gusty plume]

Hi guys,

thermal paste arctic mx-4 vs mx-6, what is the best one?

[split copper]

Idk

[dull flint]

mx-6

both are excellent, mx-6 is better

[gusty plume]

Thanks man

[dull flint]

np

[next thistle]

Hi
When I test my build I see an orange light on my motherboard next to DRAM. But the bios finally boot and I correctly see the Bios and ram is correctly detected... is everything ok?

[split copper]

Probably

[next thistle]

Scary 😅

[vast meadow]

If it works you can pretty much safely ignore

[next thistle]

Ok cool

The motherboard is in the case.... we'll see!

[amber canopy]

@stiff kraken I bought more ddr3 🥴🥴

[grim jay]

Hi

Good budget mobo under 100$ for r5 5600 ?

A520/b450/b550.. ?

[grizzled bloom]

Would you prefer new or would used work? There's no risk of socket damage if you get used unlike Intel and the newer AMD socket

This would be good if you want new. It has flashback so you can update it to support the 5600 without another CPU to upgrade with. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kthmP6/asus-prime-b450m-a-ii-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-prime-b450m-a-ii

[grim jay]

Okey

Good b550 under 100$ ?

Possible

[grizzled bloom]

You can get a B550 for $10 more but not one with flashback so you'd be taking a risk there

Unless you already have an older AM4 chip to update the BIOS with

[grim jay]

Thank you

[grizzled bloom]

Cheapest B550 with flashback is $103

https://www.newegg.com/msi-b550-gaming-gen3/p/N82E16813144574

[stiff kraken]

did you bring enough to share with the class?

[amber canopy]

THE CLASS CAN CRY ABOUT IT

DAMN

[stiff kraken]

doesn't look very green for a pcb that says GREEN DDR3 on it

[vast meadow]

I'm no colour expert but it looks a tad black to me

[stiff kraken]

the ddr3 i bought just shipped @amber canopy

[amber canopy]

actually shipped or just label created lol

[molten maple]

Anyone have a recommendation for a CPU/Mobo upgrade that's budget friendly? Currently rocking my old i5-6600k. Looking to upgrade to something a bit newer. Thanks.

[burnt spear]

What is budget friendly to you

[molten maple]

Looking to spend less than $500 for CPU/Mobo/Ram.

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6mdZZw
Or https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nXtgVw

Actuallt wait one minute

I dont think the second ones mobo has bios flash so I wouldn't go with that for a 13600kf

[molten maple]

pc part picker is kinda nice, telling me the cheapest place to get things.

[burnt spear]

This is over budget a bit https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HKV6C6

I forgot that the ps120 se exists, id go with that instead of ag620

And if you want better than the 5600 but don't want to spend that much, I'd go for the b660 pro rs with a 12600kf, or the mobo in that list and 13400f

[molten maple]

I was eyeing the i5-12600k, little cheaper, is it worth jumping up to the 13600k?

you pretty much sent me the mobo/cpu combo i have in my cart...the b660, and the 12600k cpu..so apparently thats a decent deal.

[burnt spear]

The 12600kf is nice, 13400f is identical it just can't oc and has some slight differences to where it has a couple less features

Imo with the 13400f being the cheaper of the two atm, id go for it at $184

[cyan raft]

It’s just a very very very very very dark green

[molten maple]

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.4541964

This combo worth it? I am still trying to find a cheap and cheerful combo. 😛

[dull flint]

That's not bad actually

Still got the ddr5 price but if you're willing to swallow that then the am5 deal is not bad at all

[molten maple]

I don't see an issue with the DDR5, would be the first DDR5 system i've worked with.

[dull flint]

A good and cheap ripjaws 5600 cl28 kit would top that off pretty well

[molten maple]

I've had really good luck with the GSkill Trident versions.

Now I am sitting here starring at the i5-12600k vs this Ryzen 5 7600X....they're really similar, but the i5 is slightly cheaper.

[dull flint]

Tridents are the same as ripjaws just with worse heatsinks

They aren't even heatsinks

Heat traps? Lol

[dull flint]

What's the pc for

[molten maple]

Upgrading my current gaming rig.

Built it in 2016. has an i5-6600k.

16gb ram, and just a ASRock mobo that fit everything.

[dull flint]

Just gaming?

[molten maple]

Gaming, streaming, and mostly just watching youtube/netflix/etc.

Yelling at my buddies on discord...

[dull flint]

Streaming would tilt me in the way of the 12600k

And depending on what your ddr4 is, even more so

[molten maple]

DDR4 3200 currently

[dull flint]

So what's this deal that has the 12600k cheaper

[molten maple]

GPU is a Asus 1080Ti

[dull flint]

1080ti is good

[molten maple]

well the motherboard, CPU, and RAM, i have in my cart is a little cheaper than the AMD setup.

$413 vs $430 (I believe both still need a CPU cooler, since they don't come with them anymore?)

[dull flint]

Oh no I'm implying the 12600k+mobo deal

Ignore the ram

Can you show me?

[molten maple]

ah

No Combo, just a slightly lower price.

[dull flint]

Mmm, no

Not over the other deal

[molten maple]

How so?

[dull flint]

You take a small gaming hit, and while the multicore is much better, you're basically getting a really good AM5 board on the cheap

And it's cheap enough where I can say "oh, future socket upgrade makes sense here"

[molten maple]

That's the part that sucks about my current board, no current sockets for it that aren't trash. 😛

[dull flint]

If you're upgrading gpu as well then a good nvenc card would mean zero concerns for cpu overhead while gaming

[molten maple]

Nah, the GPU is sticking around till my datamining buddy decides to sell me some cheap upgrade from the 1080 😛

[dull flint]

Btw grab this specific ram kit
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4bPQzy/gskill-ripjaws-s5-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-5600-cl28-memory-f5-5600j2834f16gx2-rs5k

It should total $10 more but then you get really good ram for AM5 which will give a significant performance boost

Now for cpu cooler, yes you'll need one, but let's put a future upgrade in mind for this

Grab this one
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MzMMnQ/thermalright-phantom-spirit-120-se-argb-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-ps120se-argb

[molten maple]

I tend to upgrade slow, like i said i built this current box in 2016. and its still running semi strong.

[dull flint]

Well, you need to do these 4 things all at once or you can't run the pc lol

You can still use the 1080ti

But mobo cpu ram and cooler will all go together

[molten maple]

i did upgrade from a 1060, to a 1660, now the 1080.

[dull flint]

And yes I have slow upgrading in mind

[molten maple]

Cool.

Any idea if the AM5 board supports RGB ?

[dull flint]

It will

[molten maple]

I got some nice RGB fans that I never put in my current box because my current mobo doesn't have the right pins for them

[dull flint]

The mobo itself doesn't have any nor the ram (the ram needs to fit under the cooler tho)

Ye it'll support rgb fans

Depends if 12v rgb or 5v argb

[molten maple]

5v 3pin

my current GPU has RGB so i wanted the fans to help out a little

[dull flint]

It'll 100% work

[molten maple]

So the AMD one, would work decently for streaming as well

?

Obviously everything is going to do better than my i5-6600k

[cursive epoch]

yes

[dull flint]

Yes it'll work

Just the 12600K would be better at it

[molten maple]

i stopped streaming because peeps said the stream was glitchy, i chalked that up to my older CPU

[dull flint]

Ye

[sudden creek]

What's the name of the power limit setting for AMD CPUs in Gigabyte bios?

[dull flint]

Ppt

[molten maple]

Is the Ram specific to Intel/AMD nowadays?

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr5-sdram/p/N82E16820374331

Found the Ripjaw stuff cheaper than pcpartspicker says for Newegg.

[grizzled bloom]

DDR5 can be vendor agnostic but if you're looking for some to use on AM5 then you want a kit that has an EXPO profile for best results

[molten maple]

Ok, so the above ram is no bueno for my AM5 build...

[grizzled bloom]

It's not ideal

There's no reason it won't run, and you can always do a little manual tuning and beat the EXPO profile performance easily

That kit is Samsung B-Die so don't expect too much from it, but it should do 6000 32-32-32 I think

[molten maple]

ok then how do I make sure I find ram that will perform out of the box well with the AM5 board....

[grizzled bloom]

Look for one with EXPO in that case

[grizzled bloom]

This looks like your best option https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pwxRsY/gskill-flare-x5-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl36-memory-f5-6000j3636f16gx2-fx5

[molten maple]

i was just looking at that, glad I can pretend to know what I am doing at least.

Now I just need someone to hit checkout on my cart so I don't have to do it myself lol

Order placed. now I can go to bed and forget i did it and be surprised when it all shows up. Thanks for the help all.

[sudden creek]

Anyone know what die this ram kit uses by chance?
https://www.amazon.com.mx/gp/aw/d/B0BPHSVVS5/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_2?smid=A1G99GVHAT2WD8&psc=1

[dull flint]

that's hynix

100% hynix, likely hynix A

[sudden creek]

Great, how could you tell though?

[dull flint]

the xmp

[sudden creek]

the timings?

[dull flint]

ye

cas latency much lower than the others - Hynix
6400+ 2x32? probably A die

[sudden creek]

gotcha. By the way, the CPU is the bottleneck for high profile rams on AMD currently or am I wrong?

[dull flint]

yeah it's the IMC

well, mostly yeah

9 times of 10 lol

[sudden creek]

So once the 8950x comes out for example and I install that cpu I can probably OC the ram more then?

[cursive epoch]

Likely

You can be board limited tho

[sudden creek]

Mhmm, would it be better to buy a high end board now for three generations or go with a mid tier and upgrade come time for the 8950x or 9950x for another mid tier?

I'm currently considering the Tuf X670E.

[dull flint]

almost every am5 board is stupidly overbuilt save for like, some bottom of the barrel A620's and asus prime boards

[sudden creek]

So the Tuf board shouldn't be a big limitation in the future then?

[dull flint]

it's more like, I wouldn't really recommend spending up on the TUF anyway cos the design of AM5 means it'll probably never be an issue in most cases

I have 0 expectation of Zen 5 having any significant power increase to it

[sudden creek]

Gotcha will keep that in mind.

[dull flint]

not to mention almost everyone I've talked to with AM5 experience say that Asus is proven a real pain for any of their boards that aren't a Gene

even Gene like, the new bios' supposedly don't run the non X3D cpu's

[sudden creek]

Mhmm noted. Option B for me was the MSI Tomahawk X670E which was also cheaper just different aesthetics.

[dull flint]

https://mx.pcpartpicker.com/product/CFzhP6/msi-pro-b650-p-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-pro-b650-p-wifi
https://mx.pcpartpicker.com/product/Dq4Zxr/asrock-b650m-hdvm2-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-b650m-hdvm2

these are the two I'd consider

heck even this

https://mx.pcpartpicker.com/product/Ng2WGX/asrock-b650m-pg-riptide-wifi-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-b650m-pg-riptide-wifi

[sudden creek]

Really dislike the aesthetics though. I am fine with paying a bit extra if it means my build looks nice since I tend to look at my builds a lot.

I am going for like a clean metal and partially military like look.

[dull flint]

I'd just, avoid asus lol

[sudden creek]

Gotcha.

So anything that's not Asus then?

[dull flint]

cheapest you can get that's not an asus yeah is a safe bet

[sudden creek]

I'd be happy switching to the Tomahawk board I found as it still stays relatively close to the theme I am going for while having all the features I could use and like.

[dull flint]

https://mx.pcpartpicker.com/product/WBwypg/gigabyte-b650-aorus-elite-ax-atx-am5-motherboard-b650-aorus-elite-ax

[sudden creek]

Plastic look.

Brb.

[dull flint]

that's mostly metal lol

[sudden creek]

If it helps give you an idea of the theme I am using a Gray Fractal Torrent and I plan to use the Aorus Master 4090 in there along with neon RGB lights that I'd like to shine into a flashy metal board to create this neon cyberpunk / sci-fi look with all the metal and lights.

[dull flint]

all aorus build

the silver accents of the aorus will go more with the gpu

[sudden creek]

Also I would like to do a lot of OC as I've been really enjoying doing that and would like to dive deeper into it.

[dull flint]

the aorus will probably be better for oc

Asrock and gigabyte are the two shining examples of am5 rn

[sudden creek]

I know only issue is $500 is a hard hard ask for me currently.... Maybe if I saved up for a couple extra months.

[dull flint]

how much is the tomahawk

cos on here it's like 7470

which is like 415

[sudden creek]

$370

[dull flint]

well the aorus is 290

lol

[sudden creek]

........

Lucky man.

[dull flint]

m8

I didn't become techie for nothing

[sudden creek]

Mexico has the worst prices for tech I swear.

[grizzled bloom]

If you're going to run EXPO then Gigabyte is the way to go on AM5, they tune extra timings that no other brand does

[sudden creek]

I plan to do manual OC for the fun of it but also to squeeze a bit more perf.

[dull flint]

I mean, Expo is also only a couple extra timings too

nothing 5 minutes can't do

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah if you're going to manual tune then you don't even need expo sticks

[sudden creek]

Current sticks I have in my cart.

[dull flint]

those will be good to manually tune 6000/6200

6000 is basically guaranteed but higher is a lottery

they're good sticks tho

[sudden creek]

Ik.

[grizzled bloom]

6400 synced fclk if you're lucky

[dull flint]

lucky and 1dpc

ye

[sudden creek]

Best 64gb deal I could find at 6000 or higher MHz.

[grizzled bloom]

Oh right 64GB

Yeah 6000 would be a good target, higher might be pushing it

[sudden creek]

The Strix X670E-I board looks perfect. If only it wasn't so small.

[dull flint]

the strix is a total meme

I have only heard negatives about it

[grizzled bloom]

2 slot ITX boards are always the best for memory OC, fun fact

[dull flint]

not always

[sudden creek]

Can't deny the aesthetics though.

[dull flint]

the strix z790 sucks for mem oc

worse than z690 in some examples

[grizzled bloom]

Compared to their standard size counterparts then

[dull flint]

lol no

Z790i vs Z790E/F, E/F wins

and yes, 1dpc vs 2dpc

[grizzled bloom]

Really
They screwed it up that badly?

[dull flint]

yup

asrock is also a tire fire for anything not aqua

[grizzled bloom]

Well yeah just avoid assrock in general on Intel I've seen

[dull flint]

while it is true though, 1dpc is generally very very good

[hollow thorn]

Conclusion: MSI

[dull flint]

or apex/kp yeah

[hollow thorn]

(and gigabyte when they're not having problems)

[dull flint]

the cheap asrock b650 I linked also slaps for OC unironically lmao

it's 1dpc and also an asrock with a sufficient VRM for whatever is wanted

I've seen that OC pretty well

it's weird seeing HDV do well but here we are

[grizzled bloom]

That's what overbuilt VRMs get us

[dull flint]

the a620 hdv though...another story

yeah pretty much

[hollow thorn]

B650 hdv beats B650 prime whatever Asus called it?

[dull flint]

7 usb, unironically good vrm, gen 5 m.2(?), 1dpc

it's a genuinely good board

b650 prime is the worst prime

[grizzled bloom]

Reviewers during Intel's 8th gen: We need more VRM! 6 phase is not enough!
Reviewers now: OK OK PLEASE STOP 14 IS TOO MUCH

[dull flint]

avoid all am5 prime

[hollow thorn]

Nice, no more Asus

[dull flint]

am5 prime uses cheap as chips vrm

and actually suffers

[hollow thorn]

Just 14? You gotta have at least 24

[sudden creek]

Oh I just realized 🤦‍♂️ I am gonna be buying the rest of thd PC parts once I am back in China so why the hell am I still looking on Amazon.com.mx.

[grizzled bloom]

If there's 24 they're probably on doublers

[hollow thorn]

There's some boards with like 20 physical phases without doublers because the pwm controller is just that good

[grizzled bloom]

20 on a high end I can believe, 24 is pushing it

[dull flint]

I like that AMD did this, it's going to force up the standard of good value motherboards

it was a terrible pill to swallow though 100%

but now that prices are coming down? I like it

the fact that 130 gets you a far better next gen amd board over intel speaks for itself tbh

[vast meadow]

Intel 14th leaked to use l4 cache

[dull flint]

I thought that was just server

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah I heard that too, possible competitor to vcache?

[vast meadow]

Gn said meteor lake

[grizzled bloom]

At first yes

[dull flint]

oh they say mtl now ok

L7 cache when

[vast meadow]

Thats your external hdd

[grizzled bloom]

That would be the first potentially positive thing I've heard about mtl sadly

[dull flint]

L8 brain?

[vast meadow]

Yeah i heard they struggling

[vast meadow]

I guess?

[dull flint]

Don't guess, calculate

smh

guess I need a second brain

[grizzled bloom]

No i9, i7 with 6p8e 💀

[dull flint]

L9 when

[vast meadow]

Beep boop beep

[vast meadow]

Pen and paper

[hollow thorn]

Feels like 11th gen all over again

[grizzled bloom]

10th gen even, 20 threads and everthing

[dull flint]

zen 5 with 32 cores when

zen 6?

[vast meadow]

If they have a 6p i7 that'll be embarrassing

[dull flint]

zen L7?

[grizzled bloom]

Soon™️

[hollow thorn]

I mean 11900k came as a downgrade from 10900k in general

[sudden creek]

That'd be epic for all core workloads.

[vast meadow]

Probably not for a while so amd can charge TR pricing for those

[sudden creek]

Why are 10th gen CPUs so much more expensive then 11th gen?

Was comparing 11700K to 10700K earlier.

[grizzled bloom]

10th gen is better than 11th 🙃

[sudden creek]

Was like a $50 difference.

[vast meadow]

Yeah but being a downgrade from the i7 last gen would be embarrassing

[grizzled bloom]

https://youtu.be/3n0_UcBxnpk

[stark violet]

its better for muh oc 🤷‍♂️

[hollow thorn]

10th gen passed the point in it's life cycle where the price had stopped going down and started increasing again over time

[stark violet]

surely that increases 11900k in term of fps

[hollow thorn]

Out of scarcity and lack of demand

[vast meadow]

Neither are in production anymore, 11th gen only officially stopped early this year or late last year, 10th stopped longer ago, probably sellers not wanting to sell out so they up the price

[dull flint]

to 99% of people no

[grizzled bloom]

Yes nothing like giving an i7 a factory overclock and calling it an i9

11900k still lost in gaming to 10th gen

[dull flint]

10900K still proves itself about as good cos everything is gear 1 for it

versus 11th gear 2

[stark violet]

yeah will forever be ironic

[vast meadow]

I mean kinda but not really like for the same price the 11700k is at least as good if not a bit better, and the i5s where a bit better too

[hollow thorn]

11400 was nice for a while until 10400 dropped in price and that was better and then 11400 dropped in price

[vast meadow]

Was mainly just not a big upgrade but apart from the i9 not a real downgrade iirc

[sudden creek]

Mhmm, are there any downsides to the X670E Aorus Master board besides the price tag? Honestly leaning towards saving up for a couple extra months to get it.

[dull flint]

just get B650

there's no real benefit to X670E

even over X670

[grizzled bloom]

All the E really gets you is the potential for more USB ports and more PCIe 5.0 devices

[dull flint]

yeah, potential if anything

[sudden creek]

Looking at it more from an aesthetic perspective tbh.

Most likely gonna stick with the MSI Tomahawk board but am curious about the Aorus Master since it'd match my build's theme perfectly

[dull flint]

you know you can get custom motherboard armour made for cheap

[stark violet]

big cpu coolers and gpu hide the motherboard anyway tho

[sudden creek]

Wait that exists?

[dull flint]

yes

I've had one made up before

[sudden creek]

Not all of it and tower colors definitely however I am using an AIO so a lot of the board is exposed.

[grizzled bloom]

I should really get that done, when MSI sent me my RMA replacement I didn't get any "accessories" including the armor and heatsinks. Or maybe I'll just buy a dead board and salvage.

[dull flint]

it's not that hard

they do it with a piece of like, alu

cut to shape

painted

[sudden creek]

How much does custom armor normally cost? Also is it a company or a person that does it?

[dull flint]

it's custom work, it'll vary by region

worth checking and weighing up the value yourself

normally just some guy or a small company

[sudden creek]

Ahhh gotcha. Really comes down to if it's worth the hassle to me at the end of the day then.

If only I had the tools to do it myself.

[dull flint]

ok yeah that aorus master board, definitely not worth it lol

I'm looking at boards like half that that are reasonable lolololol

[sudden creek]

Yeah I agree now that I think about it lmao.

Barely any gains for like $200 more over the Tomahawk.

[dull flint]

barely any gains over this

[sudden creek]

True the gains aren't much but I really do not like that look.

I like a nice metal look or something very sci Fi looking.

@dull flint have you by chance tried these custom acrylic armour projects?

[grizzled bloom]

Any bozo with a CNC mill can cut aluminum if you give them a CAD file

Then you pay an artist on fiverr to paint it

[dull flint]

I bought one, I don't have the tools to make one

I could make one if I had said tools

[sudden creek]

What tools are needed for those? Paint, Acrylic, Razer, and what looked like a Bansaw?

[dull flint]

probably a CNC router, potentially a belt sander and some paint and clear coat

[sudden creek]

Mhmm, probably won't have those for a while.

..... The B650 Aorus Pro costs $80 more then the X670E Tomahawk which is $300.

And the x670 Aorus elite at $280.

[grizzled bloom]

Yay for scarcity

Just pick the cheapest one you like imho

[sudden creek]

At this point I am probably gonna do that especially after taking into consideration all the delivery fees if I were to have someone do it once I am back in China.

Just don't pick Asus correct?

[grizzled bloom]

According to Felix correct, no to asus

[sudden creek]

This is really weird.

The Tomahawk x670e seems to be the best bang for the buck while being cheaper then most b650 and x670 boards.

Is there an issue with the board?

[grizzled bloom]

Nothing I can see off the bat except the usual first boot being long on AM5

[sudden creek]

Gotcha.

Probably gonna go with that board then.

$312 before taxes $354.6 after taxes.

[grizzled bloom]

Same price as here in the states 👍

[sudden creek]

Seems the Chinese Amazon is reasonable then.

[grizzled bloom]

Oh yeah China has way better access to parts than Mexico lol

[sudden creek]

Amazon.cn is where I am looking at the moment.

[sudden creek]

Not to mention no obnoxious import taxes.

Was it you that I told you about how ridiculous it was?

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah

Thanks politicians for your "stick" measuring contest that set up those tariffs

[sudden creek]

Yep.

I am looking forward to being back home again with the family in a few months and also having access to tech at reasonable prices.

Oh yeah during the GPU shortage if you were in China you could pickup GPUs at or below MSRP pretty easily.

[grizzled bloom]

Because China banned mining and they were all trying to dump them

[dull flint]

x670 aorus elite sounds ok

[sudden creek]

True.

If not for the import taxes you can still buy GPUs at MSRP easily from Amazon.cn

Lots of 4090s at MSRP.

[grizzled bloom]

You can get acquainted with aliexpress too while you're there, lots of goodies for decent prices. Some of it is knockoff but not always bad quality.

[sudden creek]

Anyone heard of the AIB KF2A?

[sudden creek]

Taobao is the way to go xD.

[grizzled bloom]

KFA2?

[sudden creek]

Yes.

This GPU looks cheap as all hell.
https://www.amazon.cn/dp/B0BJVLXMQV/ref=mp_s_a_1_41?crid=1XWTZQ3GKAOO8&keywords=rtx+4090&qid=1681896569&sprefix=rtx+409%2Caps%2C476&sr=8-41

[grizzled bloom]

Because that's a render

[sudden creek]

A lot of imports from Germany surprisingly.

[grizzled bloom]

They appear to be somehow affiliated with Galax since they're selling a HOF card, at first glance

[sudden creek]

Strange.

[grizzled bloom]

Sub-brands aren't uncommon in the industry, especially in the Asian market

Yeah they're totally Galax

https://www.kfa2.com/kfa2/graphics-card.html

https://www.galax.com/en/graphics-card.html

[sudden creek]

Just found the ram I found on the Mexico store for even cheaper in China by about $15.

Recreating my PC part list for the big upgrade on Amazon.cn for when I move back.

Seems KC2000 storage is non existent on Amazon.cn.

What's are the other S tier SSDs currently?

[grizzled bloom]

As of the last list update (which was a long time ago)

You can get a general idea of newer drives that would fit there based on that at least

[dull flint]

KFA 2 is actually not too bad lol

the bad ones are palit cards this gen

gamerock is bad both in function and form

[sudden creek]

Thought the 990 is the faster gen 4 drive at the moment?

[grizzled bloom]

They're 100% just another Galax brand right? Look at those sites I linked

[sudden creek]

Oh I just realized it's KC3000

Not 2000

[dull flint]

yup

[dull flint]

faster but terribly not worth it

SN770 and P41 plus are the only two worth buying rn

[grizzled bloom]

Thought so, Galax has been decent in general just not a US brand

[dull flint]

KFA2 is Galax ye

[sudden creek]

KC3000 remains best bang for the buck S tier it seems.

[grizzled bloom]

990 has firmware issues right now

[sudden creek]

Ouch again?

[grizzled bloom]

Still, from the last 3 times

[sudden creek]

Or is this the same as before.

[dull flint]

no, unless mx prices are dramatically different it's worse than P44 pro

[grizzled bloom]

We're looking at China now

[sudden creek]

In MX P44 is like triple the price of the KC3000.

I am currently looking at China since I am postponing the big upgrade till I am back there in a few months.

2TB KC3000 is $140 compared to other s tier drives at around $180.

[grizzled bloom]

Just get Optane, it's cheap because EOL

[sudden creek]

P44 Pro is double the price of KC3000

[sudden creek]

EOL?

[grizzled bloom]

End Of Life

[sudden creek]

Oh.

[grizzled bloom]

No longer in production, Intel killed it

[dull flint]

how much is sn770

[sudden creek]

Lemme check

[dull flint]

cos sn770 is cheap in a lot of places now

[sudden creek]

About $10 cheaper.

[grizzled bloom]

DANG Tom's laying the smack down

[sudden creek]

Though the speed seems slower by 2000.

[dull flint]

I'd pick that

[sudden creek]

Never really looked into optane storage so I have no idea if that's true.

[dull flint]

SN770's speed is in the random speeds

[grizzled bloom]

It's fast AF but seriously don't get it

[dull flint]

not the read/write (those two mean nothing for normal use)

[sudden creek]

I am using for blender, davinci resolve, and other 3D apps such as world painter.

[grizzled bloom]

All of that is either random or mixed IO

[sudden creek]

Oh really?

Then in what situation does the read/write actually help then?

[grizzled bloom]

Scrubbing 8k video footage

Writing from one SSD to another REALLY fast

That's about it

[dull flint]

yeah and even then they only advertise peak speeds

[sudden creek]

Ahh okay. So the SN770 is better then?

[dull flint]

not sustained speeds

so like

7300!

for 10 seconds

then 2000

for the rest

[sudden creek]

There's an sn850x correct?

[dull flint]

there is yes

[sudden creek]

What's the perf difference between the sn770 and that?

[dull flint]

sn850x is definitely better but not in any significant way in the difference of more than a couple dollars

[sudden creek]

Roughly speaking what's the difference?

[sudden creek]

Probably not gonna get it looking at the price so just curiosity

[grizzled bloom]

5% difference there lol

[sudden creek]

.....

Yeah nope.

Absolutely not getting.

[grizzled bloom]

Oh but you could get 2 microseconds better latency!

[sudden creek]

Thanks for helping me pick out an SSD.

[sudden creek]

.........

Maybe if I worked for Tesla on the cybertruck model would I bother with that price to perf difference.

Aight all I am missing now is a PSU.

[grizzled bloom]

And don't forget the tests where the 770 actually wins

[sudden creek]

Would like to find a good 1200w PSU.

[sudden creek]

.....

That makes no sense

[grizzled bloom]

Exactly, that's the difference between S tier and A tier. Nonsense.

[sudden creek]

Are there clean adapters for the 16pin?

Because I legitimately hate seeing the like 4 cable split right at the GPU.

[cursive epoch]

Lian li has a strimer v2 I think

They just launched it

[grizzled bloom]

Cablemod recently launched their 90 and 180 degree adapters too

[cursive epoch]

Or you can get that msi psu, idk how it's priced in where you reside in

[sudden creek]

Those are nice.

Recommend them to my friend.

[cursive epoch]

The atx 3.0 psu

[grizzled bloom]

RMe?

Wait no

[sudden creek]

Your talking about the AI1000G

[cursive epoch]

RMe has no ATX 3.0

[sudden creek]

Correct?

[grizzled bloom]

Well, RMe is still a good option

[cursive epoch]

Ya, that one

I would be willing to head for the msi 3.0 psus since they're usually the cheapest 3.0 option that's still a very good psu

No hassle of adapters or it getting in the way of looks

[grizzled bloom]

I'll still shill for Corsair

[sudden creek]

$220

For the 1000w version.

[cursive epoch]

An adapter is easily gonna bump price tho

Lian li strimers aren't cheap

[grizzled bloom]

Corsair cable isn't ugly at least, it's just a clean 2 to 1

[sudden creek]

Can the 1000w PSU handle running a 7950x with a 4090 both overclocked with enough headroom for a RTX 3070 to run extra monitors?

[grizzled bloom]

Considering the 3070 will be running at essentially idle yes

[sudden creek]

Good.

Was concerned 1000w wasn't gonna be enough.

[cursive epoch]

It will be enough

4090 only consumes at around 550w at worst

Leaves about 500-450w of power for the rest of the system to play around before pushing the limits

[sudden creek]

The 7950x when the power limit is maxed out can consume at most 300 watts correct?

Or am I thinking of the 13900K?

[grizzled bloom]

13900k pulls that at stock lmao

[cursive epoch]

That is 13900k

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah the most I've seen a 7950X pull is around 300W without exotic cooling

[sudden creek]

Someone was pointing out that the 13900 though pulls a lot of power on loads it has really good idle efficiency against Ryzen CPUs.

[cursive epoch]

I think an oc'd example would run 300+

[grizzled bloom]

It will almost always be much less than 300W

[cursive epoch]

Idle means nothing when you're literally using a high end pc lmao

Once you use it, the idle figures means nothing on a high end pc

[sudden creek]

True.

[grizzled bloom]

You know what's even better than idle usage? It being off

[cursive epoch]

The only case idle consumption matters is on a laptop

[grizzled bloom]

[sudden creek]

In any case I am gonna grab the Ai1000g then for the sake of not having to deal with adapters

Though I will probably still buy that 180 cablemod plug.

[sudden creek]

Media consumption though.

[cursive epoch]

Eh nope

[grizzled bloom]

They'll show you on the site too but make sure you get the right 180 adapter

[cursive epoch]

Doesn't matter much

[sudden creek]

Oh yeah thanks for reminding me.

Jay pointed that out in the vid.

Hmmm, just realized I need to consider the plug type.

Would a PSU from Germany be using a type c or type g plug?

[grizzled bloom]

It'll be either C or F

https://www.electricalsafetyfirst.org.uk/guidance/advice-for-you/when-travelling/travel-adaptor-for-germany/

Probably F since that's the grounded one

[sudden creek]

Would it be bad if I had to use a adapter?

[grizzled bloom]

You can just swap out the kettle lead

[sudden creek]

Oh I can?

Thought it was a bad idea to swap that out.

[grizzled bloom]

Nah power supplies are universal

It's just the cable that's different

[sudden creek]

So what type of kettle lead should I look for to use in China?

I forgot what types are used it's been so long since I was there.

[grizzled bloom]

Type I 👁️

They also use A and C but those are the non-grounded ones

[sudden creek]

Grounded is better for safety correct?

[grizzled bloom]

Grounded is required for PCs

[sudden creek]

What are other names for kettle lead?

[grizzled bloom]

Kettle plug

Mains power

IEC plug

C13 specifically

[sudden creek]

Is iec the type I need for China?

[grizzled bloom]

IEC is the name of the standard

It would look something like this https://www.europlugs.com/shop/iec_c13/c13-116/

IEC C13 is the kind that PCs use

What I would do, though, is buy one from a local thrift store for roughly the equivalent of 50 cents once you're in country

[sudden creek]

So I need the triangular shaped one with the 3 pins correct?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes the type I

So the full name of the cord would be IEC C13 to Type I

[sudden creek]

This look right?
https://www.amazon.cn/dp/B07D67GHH2/ref=mp_s_a_1_23?crid=25JHU9IEHKJ24&keywords=c13+plug&qid=1681900673&sprefix=c13+pl%2Caps%2C487&sr=8-23

[grizzled bloom]

No that's a US plug

NEMA is US standard

[sudden creek]

Oh my bad.

https://www.amazon.cn/dp/B07MVX737M/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=3SEAX82UT8U92&keywords=IEC+c13+i&qid=1681900835&sprefix=iec+c13+%2Caps%2C335&sr=8-3

This seems right but I could be wrong would appreciate if you could double check.

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah that looks right

[sudden creek]

Any power concerns I should have?

[grizzled bloom]

Well that cable is rated at 10A 250V so unless you plan to put more than 2500W through it, no

[sudden creek]

C13 is the connector that plugs into the PSU correct?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes

[sudden creek]

Gotcha it says Chinese plug to c13.

Oh neat they have a Chinese Plug to right angles c13.

Which flipped upside down would be left making it easier to cable manage on the torrent.

[sudden creek]

Well that's good to know.

[grizzled bloom]

Holy 4AM, I need to go to bed

[sudden creek]

Oh sh, it's 6 for me already.

Night Falcie, Felix, Foxy. Thanks for helping me you guys I really mean it!

[cyan raft]

Where you at that it’s 4am

[grizzled bloom]

Considering that was 10 hours ago, US west coast

[cyan raft]

Ohhh, I’m dumb I thought this was general chat

Didnt see the time

[grizzled bloom]

lol all good

[rare agate]

Wait can this mobo handle my ram cuzz my mobo says max ram is 6000MHz

My and ram is 6400 MHz

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/v2FwLs

[dull flint]

Is this a new build...?

[rare agate]

I guess

[dull flint]

I'd do this instead
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/G9jnbK

Like a whole, 30% better across the board. Lol

[rare agate]

I have like all the parts rn

Except for gpu

And vertical mount

And I know it ain’t as good as the one u showed me but like

I’m going for looks

And 4070 is a major upgrade from my 1050 laptop

[dull flint]

Actually this gets you all the white without spending a fortune for 30% worse perf
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Bp9Kfv

[rare agate]

Bro I don’t need a new build I need someone to help me with some ram help

[rare agate]

Wait can this mobo handle my ram cuzz my mobo says max ram is 6000MHz

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/v2FwLs

[stark violet]

it should be able

also that 4080 rig was sooo much better lol 💀

[cursive epoch]

I would go with felix's recc

you can run 6400 on it tho, but eh

you're sacrificing lots of perf for the money

but it's too late anyway, case and fans bought

[sudden creek]

that AIO is pain to look at.

[grizzled bloom]

@amber canopy Signs of life! I guess the board didn't like my power supply. I put on my first PSU I owned and it fired right up. Time to play PSU shuffle. Maybe it'll like my P850GM

[amber canopy]

weird, what's up with that first PSU you used?

[grizzled bloom]

No idea, it was working perfectly in the old HP with an adapter

[amber canopy]

[grizzled bloom]

You won't believe this but... the 5 year warranty on this EVGA GQ expires in 2 weeks. So if it turns out it died for some reason I can get a new one 🙃

[amber canopy]

interesting timing

[grizzled bloom]

Right? It's been actively used for all of that 5 years too

It was mining 24/7 for about 6 months lol

[sudden creek]

Falcie, I just ordered the ram kit.

[grizzled bloom]

It gets weirder. The GQ still works, it just doesn't like that one specific motherboard.

[sudden creek]

G.Skill Ripjaws 4000Cl18

Gonna take about 20 days to arrive unfortunately.

[grizzled bloom]

Oh well, it'll be nice once you have it at least

[sudden creek]

Yep.

Also ordered the hub and some ARGB strips

[formal bolt]

https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-ROG-Strix-Gaming-Motherboard/dp/B08F9VP2RC/ref=asc_df_B08F9VP2RC/ is 2666 the real max mhz for ram for this mobo? ive seen on amazon its wrong alot in the description so just checking

and on the ASUS website i cant find it for this model

[grizzled bloom]

@amber canopy IT'S ALIVE
Third time's the charm I guess, it's working with the PSU that didn't like it before now. It booted straight into Linux and I just had to SSH into it to fix a couple drivers. Now for the fun part. Modded BIOS and booting Windows from NVMe.

[amber canopy]

🤨

cursed hardware moment

[grizzled bloom]

Nah that board can do 4000+ easy.

You probably don't want to go that high unless you have a 5600g/5700g though

[formal bolt]

5600g?

like r5 5600g?

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah, the g chips are monolithic and can handle a much higher fclk so they can run fast memory without penalties

[formal bolt]

oh

i have a 5800x3d would that be an issue

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah you're not hitting 4000 on that without latency issues

Well, you might if you're very lucky

[formal bolt]

What is that max i should get for it then

[grizzled bloom]

I'd do 3600

[formal bolt]

alright

[grizzled bloom]

The 5800X3D also doesn't need low latency memory at all thanks to the massive cache, so you can save a few bucks and get c18

[formal bolt]

alright thanks

oh one more thing

[formal bolt]

Should i get this

or

https://nzxt.com/product/n7-b550

This

[grizzled bloom]

Asus for sure

The NZXT boards are nice when they work but when they don't there's no fixing it

[formal bolt]

oh ok

thanks for the help

asus also quite a bit cheaper

[grizzled bloom]

👍

[split copper]

It's too bad Nzxt board looks nice

I like boxy look

[sudden creek]

Agreed.

Besides being boxy they are clean yes.

[royal elk]

Good board I have the f version which is the same just black

Handles my 5900x

[warm adder]

Will a NOCTUA NH-U12S single fan setup be enough for the R9 7950x?

I know it runs hot out of the box but it hits 70c just downloading something off of steam

[hollow thorn]

Well, it'll throttle a lot once you hit it with multicore loads without an undervolt

[warm adder]

Mainly do gaming with it, so maybe sticking another fan on the cooler will do?

Might drop the speed and under volt later

[hollow thorn]

Extra fan won't do that much when the heatsink isn't big enough, but it might help a little. Undervolting should help.

[warm adder]

Would a deep cool ak500 work better?

[vast meadow]

not really, youd ideally want at least a 280mm aio imo

[warm adder]

I see I see

Thank you all

[burnt spear]

ps120 se, pa 120 se, or ag620 should do the job for gaming if you put on an undervolt

[thick shadow]

Im looking for crucial ballistix 3600mhz but cant find any, are they out of stock?

[vast meadow]

They've unfortunately been discontinued since the start of the year

[thick shadow]

Nooo

Bro i have only 16 gigs

That kinda sucks

[cerulean wadi]

Ebay or such is worth a look. The 3600 often had a moderate price premium on the 3200 stuff though. Could perhaps sell & switch to a 32GB kit.

[frosty depot]

Idk if this helps, but here is a 2x16gb kit 3200c16 kit on ebay for $75. Ymmv, but I have the same kit and I have dailied 4000c16 overclock on it for the last year.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/234933304189

[thick shadow]

Thats a good idea, i can probably sell them used for a lot since prices in my country suck

[thick shadow]

Oh damn, thx

[eternal turtle]

c16 whats full timings?

[frosty depot]

16-20-20-38

[eternal turtle]

figured

[sudden creek]

What is considered really good ram timings?

Wondering because my ram kit should be arriving soon and with it comes DDR4 OC time.

[eternal turtle]

like c14 or below

well, flat 14's

with well tuned sub timings

[sudden creek]

How well do you think the ram kit I bought can OC?
https://www.amazon.com.mx/dp/B08TR1BQM3?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details

[eternal turtle]

pretty sure 18-22-22-42 is hynix, so itll do high freq but i don tthink the timings will go very low

[sudden creek]

You think it can hit 16?

[eternal turtle]

possible for it to be bdie, unsure

[eternal turtle]

maybe at 4K yeah

[sudden creek]

Which is better? High frequency or lower timings.

[eternal turtle]

balance of both

highest freq yo ucan do stable, along with the most tuning you can do to the timings

[sudden creek]

frequency is the amount of data that can be processed at a time correct?

[eternal turtle]

frequency is bandwidth

yes

[sudden creek]

and timings are the time it takes to process X data?

[eternal turtle]

no cause thats still bandwidth lol

[sudden creek]

Oh my bad. I am extremely new to ram OC, still need to finish that DDR4 guide.

[eternal turtle]

i dont think i could easily explain timings but orange mushroom prolly could

just smart to read the oc guide however

what cpu do you have?

[sudden creek]

R7-5700g.

[eternal turtle]

ooh fun

not constrained like the non-g chips

[sudden creek]

Heard it's running on the old monolithic architecture so it can use higher ram speeds.

[eternal turtle]

not old

same arch, just different setup of it

[sudden creek]

Oh okay.

[eternal turtle]

but yes it does like faster ram

well, allows faster ram

[sudden creek]

My goal is to get 8ns or better on the ram if possible.

[vast meadow]

Unlikely, main ram performance comes from tuning the secondary and tertiary timings tho

[sudden creek]

Gotcha, well I guess once it arrives on Monday I will see how well it can be tuned. Even at XMP it'd still be a major upgrade over my current oloy kit.

[amber canopy]

?

@grizzled bloom ?

[grizzled bloom]

Why the question mark

He's right you know

[amber canopy]

sure, i'll run my memory at 200MT/s CL22, as long as my terts are tight im good

[vast meadow]

I said main not all

[amber canopy]

even then i still disagree

CL, sure, that's more debatable, but frequency matters a lot more than terts generally speaking

[dull flint]

Lol

[grizzled bloom]

4000 c18 with tuned secondaries will beat 4000 c16 xmp easy

[amber canopy]

yea thats a really small difference

I just mentioned frequency too...