cpus-mobo-and-memory

[cursive epoch]

I would like to know about the power supply too, if possible

[leaden hinge]

750 watt coolermaster

80+

My friend had some spare parts thats why i have a 750 watt psu

[cursive epoch]

There's lots of different stuff from that brand with those specs, but okay. That sounds doable for something with 6700xt

Ram isn't really optimal, but it's doable with newer stuff

[leaden hinge]

I don’t know the specifics sorry

[cursive epoch]

It's okay, should still be fine

[leaden hinge]

What lower budget cpu would you recommend?

[cursive epoch]

I'd do this: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JnYB4s

If you worry about cooling on stock cooler, you can grab something like se 214xt from id cooling

[leaden hinge]

I have a ml240l from coolermaster so I think that’ll do the job. Also do you think its worth the few months wait for 12400f instead of 5600x?

[cursive epoch]

For one the stuff I picked for you are all cheaper compared to cpu+board choice you had

So nah, you don't gotta wait

[leaden hinge]

Oh never mind then, I had 2 cpus in my cart.

[cursive epoch]

Wait so you're in eu?

[leaden hinge]

Yeah i’m dutch

[cursive epoch]

I assumed you were in the us

Lemme switch to that for you lol

[leaden hinge]

No problem

[cursive epoch]

Netherlands I'm guessing?

[leaden hinge]

Yeah

[cursive epoch]

I need the country to set the right pcpp

Alright

Gimme a sec again, gotta readjust to different regions

[leaden hinge]

You can do that????

[cursive epoch]

Yeah lol

pcpp supports many different countries

https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/Ypjtqm

Alright this is more like it

12400f is more expensive in your region, so I switched back to amd

5600 is the same cpu as 5600x

Only difference is minor clock speed bump, which equates to less than 1% increase

Make sure the AIO you have, the ML240 has AM4 brackets tho

I'm certain it should, since AM4 has been out for a long long time

[leaden hinge]

Okay thanks a lot

[leaden hinge]

Is there a big performance gap between the 12400f and 5600?

[cursive epoch]

Not really, no

[next thistle]

Hi! I'm not sure, why some Ram got the big heatsink? Any advantages? i'm NOT into overcloking...
These sticks are in special... they are good or should I spend more for one with a bigger heatsink?
https://www.bestbuy.ca/fr-ca/produit/memoire-ddr4-32-go-2-x-16-go-3600-mhz-vengeance-lpx-de-corsair-pour-ordinateur-de-bureau-cmk32gx4m2d3600c18/16204874

[cursive epoch]

I would go with anything not corsair

But unless that's the cheapest ram you can find within 3600mhz speed

Heatsink is there to help cool ram, but they're also heavily stylized

Ram without heatsink doesn't exist on such speeds anyway, since they're pretty much all crappy jedec spec

[next thistle]

vengeance LPX seem to get a small heatskink... any problem or should I spend more? I want to got with a I7-13700k

[cursive epoch]

nah

not a problem

I wouldn't worry about it

[next thistle]

Also I'm affraid on Ram clearance, that's why I don't want those huge heatsink

And why do you DON'T like Corsair? I but i Patriot Viper once for my girlfriend computer and it was defective... any recommandation, @cursive epoch ?

[cursive epoch]

Corsair is way more likely to give you defective kit than patriot or any other brands lol

Your experience was simply unlucky

[next thistle]

@cursive epoch I'm affraid to ask you what is your opinion on Corsair PSU 😂😂😂

[cursive epoch]

Corsair psus are decent, most of em

It depends on model

I don't hate brands, I just hate certain product lines that are genuinely crappy

[next thistle]

Yeah, it's like cars... the best cars company may make the worst SUV 🤪

[vast meadow]

Model>brand

RM and hx series are brilliant
Cv is ehhhhh

[sudden creek]

Heard Ryzen may be adopting a hybrid core system. Anyone have any extra info on that perhaps?

[stark violet]

i think mlid was saying something about little phoenix

[sudden creek]

Gotcha.

[grizzled bloom]

Still very early leaks on that, nothing I'd pay attention to. It's probably more of a "they might be considering it or testing it" phase right now.

[sudden creek]

Got it.

Would be cool to see that 24c sample assuming it's 2c in 1.

[sudden creek]

I am looking for motherboards for the R7 5700g cpu I got and I was wondering if I'd need Bios flashback if I went with a B450M board? Preferably I'd like to stay sub-100$ for this upgrade. I'm in Mexico, also the board needs to have at least 2 M.2 slots for my storage drives. Thanks in advance!

[grizzled bloom]

Yes you'd want flashback even for a B550, since that's one of the newest AM4 chips

[sudden creek]

got it.

Just to double check, the R7-5700g is an upgrade over my current I7-10700f yes?

[grizzled bloom]

It's about a 10-12% increase in single core and 30% in multi core

[sudden creek]

Oh okay, and I can OC it unlike my 10700f correct?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes every AM4 chip can be overclocked with the sole exception of the 5800X3D

[cursive epoch]

just turn pbo on and you're set

manual oc is a pain

[sudden creek]

I'm struggling to find Mobos within $100 that have Flashback & 2x M.2.

Any ideas?

The product can''t be outside of MX because of damn import fees.

[grizzled bloom]

I'm checking ebay, there's a few that are around $100 even with shipping/fees

Just need one with flashback

Good old VPN gets me local prices

[sudden creek]

Haven't really ever used Ebay.

How do I know if I can trust the vendor?

[cursive epoch]

It's fairly easy

Must have very high ratings with high review count

At least 100+

[grizzled bloom]

I won't recommend a bad one don't worry 😉

[sudden creek]

Thanks, the only real requirements are:
$100 budget preferably less, 2x 3.0 M.2 Slots, and Bios Flash.

Thanks for helpings me out!

[grizzled bloom]

One option would be to roll the dice on an untested or potentially fixable motherboard. This one might be a case of the person not knowing how to flash bios for newer processors. It's highly unlikely there's damage that would keep it from posting otherwise. https://www.ebay.com/itm/364195741242

[sudden creek]

What's the cheapest option that I know would work?

[grizzled bloom]

Everything under 2k pesos ($110 US) including shipping either only has one M.2 slot or doesn't have flashback

[sudden creek]

What would happen without flash back?

If it's being shipped within MX I am willing to pay the delivery fees. Or if you could check Amazon com.mx I'd appreciate It as I get free deliveries on Amazon.

[vast meadow]

This was really interesting
https://youtu.be/RYf2ykaUlvc

[vast meadow]

With b450 if it doesn't guarantee out of the box compatibility with 4000/5000 cpus, flashback means you can update the bios without an older cpu (3000 or less in this case)

[sudden creek]

Gotcha.

[cyan raft]

How common is it to find broken motherboards with blown components on eBay?

[sudden creek]

Is Q-Flash the same as Bios Flash?

[vast meadow]

Ye

[sudden creek]

Ahh good to know.

[grizzled bloom]

B450 doesn't even guarantee 3000 series compatibility, but it's pretty likely it would work. 400 chipsets launched with 2000 series but were in production until a little after 500 chipsets and 3000 series launched.

[vast meadow]

eh basically all of them are tbf

[grizzled bloom]

Most have been updated at least that far by now yes but there's still that risk

[sudden creek]

Found a gigabyte ds3h board with Q-Flash and 2 M.2.

$110 with free delivery.

And no importa thankfully.

[grizzled bloom]

The B450M? That doesn't have flashback. Gigabyte is misleading with the Q-flash name, Q-flash plus is the bios flash button. It's also only got one M.2 slot.

[sudden creek]

B550M

https://www.amazon.com.mx/gp/product/B089FY7QT1/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?smid=A3O9XLBTQGVOAU&psc=1

Was cheaper then the B450 alternatives I found that had Bios Flash and at least two M.2 slots.

[grizzled bloom]

Still no flash button

[sudden creek]

It's in the bottom right corner isn't it?

[grizzled bloom]

Ah yes it is

Q flash plus

[sudden creek]

QFlash_Plus

[grizzled bloom]

Looked like a reset button and the spec sheet didn't say "plus"

[cursive epoch]

huh

that's an unusual placement

but yeah it is

you can flash bios without a cpu

[sudden creek]

Just to make sure I understand, so with this I can indeed flash the bios without the need of an older generation of cpu correct?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes

[sudden creek]

Great!

Will order the board next week probably then.

Hold up, just occured to me. Do you guys think there's enough clearance on this board for my LT720? If not I have my EVGA CLC 240mm as a backup.

[grizzled bloom]

The board doesn't usually interfere, that's up to the case

[sudden creek]

Oh okay, not concerned about my case since I am using the Fractal Torrent.

[grizzled bloom]

Yep that'll fit nicely

[sudden creek]

Hmm, since the CPU doesn't have pcie 4.0 lanes what would happen if I paired it with a RTX 4090?

[grizzled bloom]

Nothing would happen

[sudden creek]

The 4090 won't be bottlenecked?

[grizzled bloom]

As long as the GPU still runs in x16 mode you won't lose any performance

[sudden creek]

Gotcha, good to know.

[dusk vessel]

any recommends for 32gb ram ?

[dull flint]

Silicon power gaming

Or silicon power zenith rgb

[vast meadow]

Depends on country and with what cpu/motherboard (if it's ddr4 or ddr5)

[dusk vessel]

ddr4

ksa

[vast meadow]

Uh the cheapest 3200mhz cl16 or 3600mhz cl18

They're basically all the same anyway

[dusk vessel]

is there a huge different between 3200/3600

[sudden creek]

not really, 3600 would be slightly faster but it won't make like a 40fps difference.

Maybe 5-10.

[swift coyote]

anyone know a 230$ pc build😅
if so please dm me!!

[vast meadow]

More like maybe 1-2

[eternal helm]

And thats if your CPU can even run that in g1/fclk 1:1

[magic oxide]

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/GVKKHx,qBBG3C,wXxRsY/
Need help deciding on what kit to go with.

[grizzled bloom]

For what CPU?

[magic oxide]

Intel Core i9-13900K 3 GHz 24-Core Processor most likely. Since the KS seems overpriced for its performance benefit

[grizzled bloom]

The 6600 would be best, second best is the 6000

And I agree the KS isn't worth the money for a small factory overclock

[magic oxide]

Ok yeah I thought so. Cool thanks

[magic oxide]

I'm considering the N7 Z790 mobo. Any idea of I should even consider going for faster ram? Or even actually going lower?

[grizzled bloom]

The 6600 memory on there looks like a good hynix memory so if you wanted you could get it over 7000 pretty easily

Any more than that requires a bit of skill and luck

[dull flint]

Hey man, not to sound like a real Debbie downer, but NZXT boards are Asrock derivatives, and Asrock has had a terrible time with RAM optimisation for 12th/13th gen.

I wouldn't hold expectations frankly of any half decent XMP working out of the box.
That and, those dominator kits are like double the price of similar speed kits but Corsair have also locked the controllers on them, so you're limited to even less than reasonable voltages in the event you need more voltage to stabilise the kit or even try overclocking

For memory I'd consider one of these two:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/x4VmP6/gskill-ripjaws-s5-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-f5-6000j3040f16gx2-rs5k
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hCWzK8/gskill-trident-z5-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6600-cl34-memory-f5-6600j3440g16gx2-tz5rk

For mobo I'd consider one of these two:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mYnypg/gigabyte-z790-gaming-x-ax-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z790-gaming-x-ax
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JLjBD3/msi-mpg-z690-force-wifi-atx-lga1700-motherboard-mpg-z690-force-wifi

You'll have a far better experience with these and you'll save a huge chunk of money which you can either pocket or instead put into the GPU for big gains

[mild jackal]

It's very much higher bin, but up to the user if 1-200mhz or w/e is worth it

[grizzled bloom]

Binning doesn't matter for the average user, or 99.9% of people in general really

[mild jackal]

Doesn't it run faster stock?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes but not anything an average chip couldn't do easily

[dull flint]

I mean, it depends how lucky you are

If you want to try the silicon luck go with a KF, those aren't in the KS binning pool

[grizzled bloom]

Yes I said "average" for a reason. Exceptionally unlucky people might not get it past stock.

[dull flint]

I was referring to the KS perf lol

Most K's and KF's should manage decent OC out of the box, 13th gen i9's I've seen just about all of them have good potential

That said, KS is definitely a guarantee

[grizzled bloom]

It's not really worth $150 (26% more money) for 3% more performance in very specific scenarios anyway

[dull flint]

Oh definitely, I agree

I was trying to type that out but couldn't make words

KS are for those who can actually leverage that scaling for OC imo

Would even call myself unworthy of my own one lol

[grizzled bloom]

Me too, I have no need or want for the extra binning

[mild jackal]

Sure, but you can't compare overclocked k to stock s - in either scenario the ks is some mhz faster and yeah, likely low single digit % faster in realized fps.

Just comes down to your overall pc budget. At $6k, might as well get the usda prime grass fed

that said, my ks has an absolute potato imc, won't run 7600 xmp, need to manually lower sa. My k will do 8400c34 no problem

[magic oxide]

I see. Thing with the mobo is that I need it to fit in these constraints and unless if I get a network card but I haven't looked into them
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#s=40&f=2&D=68719476736,2199023255552&mt=ddr5&N=4,16&h=1,8&c0=1x10000-1x2500,1x10000,2x2500,1x2500-1x1000,1x2500&V=9000&Q=1,2&S=1,4&X=0,35000
Is the board really that bad of a choice?

[cunning warren]

I need some serious assistance. I just installed a new CPU, motherboard, cooler, ram and PSU. I was able to launch windows and see everything all my parts seemingly working with good temps. However I am constantly blue screening and getting all kinds of different errors. I’ve tried updating some drivers and just factory reset my pc and nothing is making a difference if anyone knows what I can do please let me know I’m in desperate need of assistance

[dusk vessel]

is 64gb of RAM overkill ?
for gaming/streaming

[cursive epoch]

What is the bsod error code that you get the most often?

[cunning warren]

Kernel_Security_Check_Failure appears to be the most common

[cursive epoch]

Yes, it is overkill for those tasks

32 is enough

Hm, well that sounds like corrupted windows install to me

[dusk vessel]

thanks !

[cunning warren]

I just reinstalled windows lol

It shouldn’t be

[cursive epoch]

Hmn

Gimme a moment, I'm busy rn

I'll try to help

Well, it seems to be corrupted windows still

I would try again with another boot media created again

!bat

hm

welp the command doesn't work

https://github.com/Ryzen5950XT/Windows-stuff/wiki

Look into this

[cunning warren]

I do have a windows boot usb drive setup if that’s what u mean

I’m just not quite sure how to use it

[cursive epoch]

Yeah, you have to make it again

It sounds like something got corrupted in it

But first run sfc /scannow in cmd

[grizzled bloom]

48GB new meta for multi taskers?

[cursive epoch]

harder to run tho

[grizzled bloom]

It's a ? now btw

?bat

[silk jungle]

Link to a general windows fixes and scans by Risen
https://github.com/Ryzen5950XT/Windows-stuff/releases/download/Windows-utilities-and-fixes-batch-file/Win.Utils.Fixes.Latest.launcher.bat

[cursive epoch]

ah lol

thanks

[cunning warren]

No I wouldn’t need to make it again I don’t think when I just reset my pc I didn’t use the boot drive I just reset it from my existing windows so maybe ur right

[cursive epoch]

ohhh

then use the usb

you simply have to plug it into your pc

and turn the pc on normally

or get into bios and select the usb drive as boot

[cunning warren]

Ok let me try to figure it out

So in my bios I select it as the boot?

I just gotta figure out how to do that

[cursive epoch]

yep

You can find videos on your motherboard brand

[cunning warren]

I know how to get to bios just not the rest

Should I plug the usb in before I turn on the pc? Or once I’m in the bios

[cursive epoch]

yes

Do it before you turn it on

Otherwise it'll not see it

[cunning warren]

@cursive epoch

I’m getting this wonderful error when trying to boot from the windows drive

Any clue

[cursive epoch]

Well that's your answer

It is corrupted

[cunning warren]

My current version of windows or the boot drive?

[cursive epoch]

This shouldn't happen if it's normal

I would say it's both

[cunning warren]

I just installed the boot drive today so that kinda makes no sense lmao

[cursive epoch]

Hmm

Well then try to boot into the usb drive again

It sounds like you tried to boot into os that's already installed

[grizzled bloom]

If you reinstall from a USB and it still has issues you might have a drive issue

[cunning warren]

Ya it’s just giving me that same error message that I sent

[grizzled bloom]

I also recommend disabling XMP if you enabled it before you install

[cursive epoch]

Could be drive issue

[cunning warren]

Not sure what xmp is

[cursive epoch]

xmp is memory overclock profile

[grizzled bloom]

It's in bios. If you didn't touch it it's probably off.

[cunning warren]

Ya I didn’t touch anything when I first launched the pc today just checked temps and that was it

Idk what to do man

I’ve gotten an assortment of blue screens and I’ve reinstalled windows

I can’t reinstall from the usb for whatever reason

Like idk

[grizzled bloom]

You have the USB installer created already?

What motherboard?

[cunning warren]

Asus prime B650 plus

[cunning warren]

I installed a new cpu motherboard ram and psu and cooler into my existing pc

I wasn’t planning on reinstalling windows just using my old drives with windows on them

[cursive epoch]

Well then

[cunning warren]

When I first launched my pc after having installed everything new is when I was getting issues trying to launch a game

[cursive epoch]

It's drivers conflicting

Resetting won't work

[cunning warren]

But the windows boot drive was installed about an hour before I started putting in new parts

[grizzled bloom]

Platform changes can have issues like this, especially if you had Intel before

[cursive epoch]

^

[cunning warren]

Nah I didn’t that’s the thing

Just upgrading frkm a R7 3700x to an R7 7700x

[grizzled bloom]

You still did a platform change, from AM4 to AM5 and DDR4 to DDR5

[cursive epoch]

Can you thoroughly explain what you did?

[cunning warren]

Ya true enough

[cursive epoch]

I believe you will need to make a usb install media again if it refuses to work

[cunning warren]

I could try but I’m not sure it’s the install media that’s the problem the install usb should be fine considering I just did it earlier today before I took apart my pc

[cursive epoch]

Doesn't hurt to try again

[cunning warren]

I suppose I’ll have to try it when I wake up then cuz I’m gonna have to borrow my brothers laptop to do it

[cursive epoch]

I had this happen to me so many times

It's annoying when I felt sure I did everything right, but the media was still corrupted

[cunning warren]

Ya I’m pissed lmao

I’ll have to look at it when I wake up right now I need to sleep and clear my head

[cursive epoch]

Good luck, I hope your problem gets solved soon

[dull flint]

The second motherboard I listed fits all those constraints you put, and runs a fair bit cheaper. I think they also have a black version (edge?) if you wanted white or black.

And yes. The N7 is otherwise kind of ok, but considering you're trying to put really fast ram in, I wouldn't expect more than 5600. There are exceptions to every rule of course but I would kind of avoid it for anything higher

The *force has 2.5G and wifi 6E as well as 6 3.2 gen 2 usb ports, one of them is usb c

It also has a bios flash, so you should have no trouble running a 13900K(F) in it

[magic oxide]

oh yeah, couldnt see that from the pcpart picker page

[dull flint]

It's all good man

happy to help

[summer acorn]

Debating whether to upgrade to a 13600k or a 12900k. They're $50 apart in price and I probably will upgrade my mobo as well

[grizzled bloom]

For gaming? 13600k. It matches or beats the 12900k in fps at a lower power.

[dull flint]

13600K easily

[quartz zinc]

Does anyone know why my temps are like this

Its just my cpu

It used to be fine

[burnt spear]

What are the Temps underload

[dull flint]

Can you feel the pump running

A pump like that you should def be able to notice if it's vibrating or not

[quartz zinc]

Yeah

I fixed it, had to turn off xmp for sum reason

[dull flint]

Alr I'm off to bed

[quartz zinc]

Zen 4 cpus r weird

[cursive epoch]

Why did you have to turn xmp off lol

That makes your ram run slow

[sudden creek]

I'm considering turning my leftover I7-10700f into a server, you guys think it'll perform alright? Thinking of hosting 2-3 Modded Minecraft servers on it.

[grizzled bloom]

Yea that'll make a great server

[magic oxide]

Is LGA1800 set to release anytime soon and if so does anyone know if 690 or 790 mobo will support?

[stark violet]

🤔

[cursive epoch]

No, they're all LGA1700

Therefore the cpus won't even physically fit

And release date is very uncertain, plus we're not even sure if they're going be a refresh to raptor lake

So it could be on 1700 or 1800

[dull flint]

I don't even think it's 1800

Lol

[cursive epoch]

i think it's gonna be another refresh

[dull flint]

It can be a refresh but a new socket

Socket 1851 if it's still relevant

[grizzled bloom]

Correct LGA 1851

[dull flint]

Ya

[magic oxide]

gotcha

[grizzled bloom]

14th gen being a refreshed 13th gen is actually on the table but the socket will change no matter what. Intel is having a ton of trouble with their new chiplet tile design and delays are expected. Early estimates for launch are Q1 next year.

[cursive epoch]

Well that's interesting

Refresh but new socket

[grizzled bloom]

That's only if meteor lake has more issues than it currently has already

[dull flint]

Not really new. See >>> 14nm+++++

[cursive epoch]

ik it's not a new thing

but yeah, i guess it's becoming a trend with intel at this point

something new comes out (finally) and the other thing keeps getting delayed cuz they got problems

[grizzled bloom]

Considering 13th gen is a refreshed 12th gen with more cache Intel seems to be keeping the trend

(and a couple more e-cores)

[cursive epoch]

laptops benefit from this a lot

13th gen jump made it closer to desktop perf

[grizzled bloom]

Yes definitely, mobile CPUs have come a long way

It's almost like running the desktop chip at a lower power limit now

[stark violet]

Intel is not amd what more could we expect 🤷‍♂️

New socket go brrr

[grizzled bloom]

AMD is guilty of their own issues but at least they're still innovating

[cursive epoch]

no one is free from issues

only amd could innovate faster

[dull flint]

Waiting for the new server with 192 p cores

Or 512 e cores

[burnt spear]

Lmao

[sudden creek]

what would that even be used for.......

[spiral fulcrum]

will my 3800x bottleneck a rtx 4080

[royal elk]

Well yes and no lol

What res are you running at

[spiral fulcrum]

1440p

my monitor is 165 hz btw

[royal elk]

Yea it likely will but shouldn't be a huge deal

[spiral fulcrum]

a little bit of bottleneck is ok I couldn't find any tests tho

[royal elk]

You could always pop in a 5800x3d later down the road.

[spiral fulcrum]

yes thats in my plans

or 4k monitor but idk 4k is kind of expensive to have when it comes to gaming

the card will age much faster not about degrading but I'll need more recent gpus

[royal elk]

You could use dsr and render at 4k lol

Even tho your monitor is 1440

[spiral fulcrum]

oh yes dsr as well

[royal elk]

But like I said it's prob fine

[spiral fulcrum]

ok thanks

[amber canopy]

@dull flint @stiff kraken

Upgrades.

[royal elk]

sexy

[grizzled bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-neo-upgrades-agent-sunglasses-gif-17921941

[amber canopy]

@royal elk when's that ud5 arrive

[royal elk]

tmr

[amber canopy]

Cool

I'll surf through my ddr3 and see what might be fun for you to bench

@royal elk how many different types of ICs are you interested in overclocking

[royal elk]

less go

[royal elk]

2gbit rev D and 1gbit x-series

is what I saw was decent for this plat

[amber canopy]

Neat, I have some spare PSC I'll send you

[royal elk]

sweet

x series it is lol

[amber canopy]

And that ddie once I bin them

Or did you just want one or the other instead of trying both

[royal elk]

oh either way prob better to start at with one for now tho

[amber canopy]

What's the point

Why not 2

[royal elk]

OKKKK
two

lol

[amber canopy]

Good :)

[gaunt ridge]

having trouble deciding what Ryzen 5 cpu I should get, I'm aiming for budget ofc. I've been looking at the 4500 and the 5500 but I've heard mixed views on both. My GPU is a Aorus 3060 Elite OC. Any recommendations would be appreciated

[grizzled bloom]

5600 would be your best bet

4500 is a rebranded 3500X
5500 is a 3600 with extra steps

[burnt spear]

^

[gaunt ridge]

thats what i've been told, sounds like a good option then

any aio recommendations at are budget?

[grizzled bloom]

The 5600 doesn't really need one, it's more than happy on a $35 air cooler

[gaunt ridge]

no no, it does in my case. I am going mini itx and the way my case is a air cooler wont work (not that it wont fit, my gpu will mount Infront of my mobo so all the air the cooler would get would just be hot air from the card

[grizzled bloom]

Gotcha. I'll see which 240mm ones are on sale. RGB?

The itx tax is real

[burnt spear]

Deepcool castle ex would probably be the best bet

Depends on case though

[dull flint]

Castle is cheap but has an insanely tall block

If it fits tho it would be a good pick

Usually itx builders favour the ek basic

They also like using the msi coreliquid but I'm not a fan of that one considering their recall didn't cover all defective aio's

[grizzled bloom]

Or for a non-rgb option there's the tried and true lf2

But that has a thicker radiator so you'd have to check the fitment

[dull flint]

And also the tubes are straight up from the block as well as stiff

Another case of not always fitting

[burnt spear]

Yeah I think this causes issues with most itx builds

[dull flint]

EK needs another basic AIO. Them discontinuing the first gen basic was really disappointing

It was the go to for itx aio's

[ionic jetty]

A MB of my friends has a second slot that looks like an m.2 slot but says cnvi_1 on it. What is that spot and can it take a ssd drive??

[cursive epoch]

cnvi slot is for wifi cards, so no

[grizzled bloom]

It's only for WiFi yep. Nothing else.

M.2 E key specifically

NVMe drives are M key, SATA are B key, so they physically will not fit

[ionic jetty]

I thought so, thx

[tribal haven]

/imagine

/imagine capa ebook alivio de dores articulares

[grizzled bloom]

We don't have that here

Plus english only

[naive pendant]

whats the cheapest good itx am4 mobo?

[grizzled bloom]

Do you have any specific needs like multiple M.2 slots or wifi?

[naive pendant]

Wifi would be nice

I only need 1 m.2 slot

[grizzled bloom]

ITX is always more expensive, especially the ones that have heatsinks on VRMs to handle higher end CPUs.
A quick check gets me this https://www.amazon.com/dp/B089VRZ6JX

[naive pendant]

holy moly I was not expecting 180$

I was expecting 60 💀

Maybe I'll ITX another day 💀

thanks tho

[burnt spear]

if you're getting a 5600 this would do the job https://pcpartpicker.com/product/G6VG3C/asrock-b550m-itxac-mini-itx-am4-motherboard-b550m-itxac

[naive pendant]

still way over what I can expect to afford I didn't think the premium was that high

[grizzled bloom]

You can always try to find a used board. AM4 boards don't have pins in the socket so you don't need to worry as much about damage.

Even the used ones are a little over $100 though

[burnt spear]

$60 you won't find any b550 for

not new anyways

you'd be hard pressed to find a decent one used for $60

I think I'd sell my mitx b550 for like $40, and that's a bottom of the barrel one with issues

[vast meadow]

You can't even get a good motherboard for 60 that's regular sized, 60$ is gonna get you bottom barrel a520 matx motherboards

Actually it's 70$ now and that's not including wifi

[naive pendant]

b450?

I was thinking b450

since my current mobo is

[vast meadow]

The cheapest new board you can get is a budget af a520 micro atx for 70$

Without wifi

[naive pendant]

I see

maybe I should just stick to matx then cause it's looks like it's a pipe dream away 💀

[vast meadow]

Using new parts switching to itx you're looking at at least 110$ for motherboard and ~80$ case

And you'd wanna use a case that accepts atx psus (most good ones imo do anyway) like the nr200 and ssupd meshilicious and p200a

[mellow hatch]

hey guys does pc4 matter for motherboard ram combatability or is it only the requency that matters?

[burnt spear]

what

[rare agate]

If I update my motherboards bios and pc turns of what do I do

[mellow hatch]

ram has two ratings, the pc4 and the frequency..

[vast meadow]

Nope, what matters is the capacity, frequency, latency (cl) and the ddr generation most importantly

[grizzled bloom]

r/confidentlyincorrect bait?

[grizzled bloom]

The "PC4" is directly related to the frequency. For example PC4-25600 is DDR4-3200. It's 2 ways to say the same thing, the second is just easier to read and market.
Also PC4 is only for DDR4, PC3 is DDR3, etc.

[mellow hatch]

thanks that's what i was reading online, the information wasn't the easiest to find. and I wasn't sure if all 3200 mhz frequency ram was always pc4 25600. thanks

[vast meadow]

Woah actually good hdv board :o
https://youtu.be/ekeTA1rds1s

Chadrock moment

[next thistle]

Rog strix b760-f? Or something else? I need at least two M2 slots and stability...

I feel it's expensive? Or I'm cheap? 😅

[vast meadow]

Strix boards are notoriously overpriced for no good reason, what cpu are you using and ddr4 or ddr5, do you need wifi, what country?

[next thistle]

I7-13700k, DDR5 (not chosen yet 😅), Wi-Fi not required, in Canada!

Thanks

For now I know the psu, the case and the cpu cooler...

And cpu of course

[near dirge]

Hey, quick question do any of yall know if this cpu would work with this mobo without flashing or updating the bios: AMD Ryzen 5 4500 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor and Asus Prime B450M-A II Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard.

[grizzled bloom]

Possibly. The 400 series chipsets launched with the 2000 series chips so it'll depend on the manufacture date.

[near dirge]

Oh ok thankls for that. Do you know any good mobos under 120 that would have up to date bios that doesnt require updating the bios for either 4000 or 5000 series cpus and has built in wifi?

[grizzled bloom]

That board you asked about has a bios flash button that makes it easy to update without needing a working CPU so you're covered even if it does need an update

[vast meadow]

Ik you don't need wifi but this board has it and it'd be the one I'd recommend anyway
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/8ncG3C/gigabyte-z790-ud-ac-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z790-ud-ac

[next thistle]

thanks

[vast meadow]

You're welcome

[vast meadow]

Damm worst cpu ever 😤 /s

[sudden creek]

Is this ram kit good? https://www.amazon.com.mx/TEAMGROUP-T-Create-Overclocking-PC5-51200-computadora/dp/B0BPHSVVS5/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?crid=1ZNZQQTNSF3PZ&keywords=ddr5+2x32gb+64gb+6400&qid=1680712099&sprefix=ddr5+2x32gb+64gb+6400%2Caps%2C121&sr=8-2&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.649fe0ca-1cbf-43f1-a365-f15699263f39

[royal elk]

If you're playing counters strike at 1080p medium on a 4090 there's a bigger issue than your cpu💀💀💀

[vast meadow]

Not sure how it's priced to it's competitors but 6400 c34 is nice

[vast meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/sarcasm-sarcasm-sign-bbt-big-bang-theory-gif-24360926

[royal elk]

I saw lol

Just a stupid test to me

[stark violet]

by that logic we dont need good cpus at all 🤷‍♂️

[royal elk]

What?

[stark violet]

its a cpu test what other way are they supposed to test

[sudden creek]

Heatsink is my concern.

Is it as good as the fury Beast non RGB?

[vast meadow]

Afaik the only bad heatsinks are trident z ones so i wouldn't worry

[sudden creek]

Gotcha. Was concerned since it's for workstation use.

[vast meadow]

It's to show the biggest gap in perf possible

[royal elk]

Fair enough its more so the people who look at it and think their cpu is bad and causing a "bottleneck" just cause they don't have as great of performance at 1080p (not talking about you btw lmao)

[sudden creek]

My Mobo just arrived.

Gonna do a PC upgrade later today.

[royal elk]

🗿

5700g time

[sudden creek]

Will it be as simple as plug and play? Besides flashing bios that is.

[royal elk]

#building-and-recc-chat

[near dirge]

In this case would the only way to find the BIOS version number be after making the pc or what

[cursive epoch]

A520 should have 5000 series support

since it came out pretty late

[grizzled bloom]

Some brands will put a sticker on the box that says the factory bios version

[near dirge]

ok thanks

[dull sluice]

if i wanna update my cpu ryzen 5 5600x, any suggestions, that'll work on my mb MSI 470x gaming plus, I updated the BiOS to be able to use the 5600x already.

[stark violet]

5800x3d really the only cpu on that socket which has a substantial lead over the 5600x

[sudden creek]

I am about to start switching my mobo/cpu and I wanted to double check, do I need a USB stick to do a fresh install of windows?

[vast meadow]

If you're gaming, not much worth upgrading without changing platforms and honestly then still not worth it, what gpu do you have? You'd probably be better off upgrading that instead

[vast meadow]

Yes unless the drive already has windows on it

[sudden creek]

My drive already has windows.

[vast meadow]

Drive being ssd/hdd

Yeah then you can do factory reset

[mild jackal]

Win 10 just works fine most of the time moved from one system to another

[sudden creek]

Do I do that after I put the drive into the new mobo?

[mild jackal]

If not, then install clean

[sudden creek]

First time doing this 😓.

So it should boot just fine after I move it to the new mobo/cpu?

[vast meadow]

Usually ™️

[sudden creek]

In the situation that it doesn't boot up normally, what should I do?

[vast meadow]

Yeah after so that windows won't auto grab the old chipset drivers

[mild jackal]

It'll almost certainly boot up, just a possibility that whatever chipset/other drivers on the install don't play well with the new hardware

[vast meadow]

Ryzen 5000 cpu?

Bios flash

[sudden creek]

R7 5700g

[vast meadow]

If it doesn't boot, obvs check power and front panel headers

Then bios flash if still nothing

And check everything is plugged in fully

[sudden creek]

Alright, one last thing before I swap the CPU, Mobo, and case. The triangle on the cou faces the triangle on the Mobo correct?

[vast meadow]

Ye

[dull sluice]

6600 xt, upgrading to 6750 or 6800 xts.

[vast meadow]

I'd spend that extra money on jumping up to a 6950xt or higher tbh, also if you haven't go 32gb ram that'd be a nice upgrade from 16

[dull sluice]

i have 32gb ram, actually thinking of going higher just cause atm.

id have to look into a new psu for a 6950xt, if thats the case.

[vast meadow]

If you're not doing production stuff there's no point tbh

What psu do you have?

[dull sluice]

I do video editing.

650 +80 evga gq

[vast meadow]

Ah okay, what software do you use?

[dull sluice]

Camtasia

[vast meadow]

I've never heard of that one before do you know if it's gpu accelerated?

Might be worth upgrading the gpu just for that, and I'd check out to see if it prefers Nvidia or amd cards first, also maybe consider waiting for the 4070 launch

[dull sluice]

Not a fan of Nvidia cards.

[vast meadow]

Yeah but your editing software might be

[cursive epoch]

editing sw's often prefer nvidia

[vast meadow]

There's no real difference once it's in your system

Most of them do anyway I've never heard of camtaisia so idk

[dull sluice]

Never really noticed, havent had any issues w/ it

[cursive epoch]

no issues doesn't mean it'll be the best, just to add

[vast meadow]

I usually wouldn't recommend Nvidia but in cases like this usually nv's just better at production

[cursive epoch]

if you don't wanna mess with psu 4070 sounds logical

[marsh walrus]

good morning yall

im wanting to bld a computer for my aunt sompel word prssing light gaiming as well as internet she loves wathing stuff on pecock and tubi

any ideas

[burnt spear]

I'm sorry, what?

[royal elk]

For Microsoft Word, light gaming, browsing the web aswell as streaming shows.

[scenic solar]

recommended ram stress test program?

[naive pendant]

Testmem5, anta555 extreme profile

hit it with multiple different tests tho. y-cruncher is also good for example

[scenic solar]

is aida 64 extreme ram+cache benchmark also a stress test or just a performance test?

[vast meadow]

No

[amber canopy]

ddr I I I

[grizzled bloom]

<<<<

[amber canopy]

Have that 2600C10 2R ddie arriving as well as my 2250C9 bin PSC

[sudden creek]

Out of curiosity what might be the potential value of a used I7-10700f if i were to sell it?

[cursive epoch]

about 100-150

[sudden creek]

Ooof, yeah I think I'd rather just hold onto the CPU and reuse it for a PC to give to my brother at that pricing.

[near dirge]

wouldn't these 2 go together without updating the bios

[vast meadow]

yes but you shouldnt buy them new, hardly anymore money will get you a 5600 and a board where you wont have to update bios, or probably not, and you can do it without needing a compatible cpu anyway

[near dirge]

i mean i saw this and thought it was a good deal. I am trying to build a really budget build like under 600 usd with ok specs. What do you think?

[vast meadow]

oh okay thats really good

[dull flint]

Jesus 129

Micro center strikes again

[near dirge]

does that mobo even run 3200 MHz ram

[dull flint]

Yes

[near dirge]

ok

[near dirge]

does the O.C. just mean enable XMP or what

[cursive epoch]

yes

[real heron]

Have you been to a microcenter before how do ask about the days

[sudden creek]

I am looking into upgrading my ram, the motherboard is B550M DS3H.
Should I get 4x8gb or 2x16gb ram sticks and what speed should I go for? R7-5700g is the cpu it's being paired with.

[grizzled bloom]

2x16 and 4000c18

[grizzled bloom]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dqbTwP/gskill-ripjaws-v-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-4000-cl18-memory-f4-4000c18d-32gvk

[sudden creek]

@grizzled bloom, are these good? They're the cheapest I can find on amazon.com.mx at those speeds without paying import fees.
https://www.amazon.com.mx/G-Skill-Trident-3600MHz-PC4-28800-Channel/dp/B07WTSMHSY/ref=sr_1_6?__mk_es_MX=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&crid=1XD3BA2FGQEFW&keywords=ddr4+4000+cl18+2x16gb&qid=1680902998&sprefix=ddr4+4000cl18+2x16gb%2Caps%2C129&sr=8-6&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.66c34496-0d28-4d73-a0a1-97a8d87ec0b2

[vast meadow]

those would be fine, honestly 3200mhz cl16 or 3600mhz cl18 will be fine

[sudden creek]

just realized they're 3600mhz.

[sudden creek]

what's the perf difference between those and 4000cl18? Wondering because I plan to reuse this ram in the future once I upgrade again for server use.

[grizzled bloom]

There's these https://www.amazon.com.mx/Mushkin-Redline-Lumina-escritorio-MLA4C400JNNM16GX2/dp/B08XYVP98Q

It is a noticeable difference on the 5700g

Normal zen 3 you don't want to go above 3600 (3800 OC) but the monolithic G chips can do a lot higher

[sudden creek]

Interesting.

Gotcha, well I will keep that ram in the cart and probably buy it next week. Thanks for helping me out.

You think the B550M DS3H can handle 4 of those sticks?

[grizzled bloom]

It could probably with a little tweaking

[sudden creek]

what do you mean by tweaking?

[grizzled bloom]

You'll need to change some voltages and resistances etc

[sudden creek]

got it.

[grizzled bloom]

That goes for 4 sticks on AM4 in general

[sudden creek]

So it's a topic for the future then.

[vast meadow]

nothing i wouldnt send more than 10-15$ extra on

[grizzled bloom]

There is a difference though

Especially for the iGPU

Timings don't matter as much as frequency on those chips too

fclk synced at 2200 be like

[vast meadow]

Sure if gaming on the igpu but still stand by my statement even for gaming the diff isn't that much more

[sudden creek]

what about workstation use?

Ex: Video Editing, Blender, and future use for game servers.

[sudden creek]

The R7-5700g is faster then the I7-10700f correct?

[near dirge]

im not sure what u r asking, i usually go there only for getting 3d printer filament

[dull flint]

No I'm fairly sure it's not

[grizzled bloom]

It is slightly better yes

Well, it depends on the game ofc but it's very close

[stark violet]

i dont think it is

unless you compare igpu to no igpu

[grizzled bloom]

It's within margin of error in a lot of stuff

[grizzled bloom]

That was back when hub was using different memory on amd and intel wasn't it?

[stark violet]

does it matter when you put a d gpu on tho

[grizzled bloom]

Yes, infinity fabric clock has a huge effect on core to core latency

And the 5700g can sync fclk up to 2200 or higher

(meaning 4400+)

[stark violet]

still out of the box xmp numbers matter more for a buying decision imo

[grizzled bloom]

There's about a 10% performance difference between 3200 and 4000 and this was back when they were using 3200 memory on AMD and 4000 on Intel

[real heron]

Yea worded that wrong I went to microcenter today for the first time

[sudden creek]

Okay just wanted to double check because I couldn't tell if I really gained more perf or not though it did seem I got an extra 15 or so frames Fortnite.

[vast meadow]

Idk if there's much testing on it but my guess would be no

[sudden creek]

Found out why my game felt more choppy than usual even though the CPU is a bit faster.

My monitor got reset back to 60hz 🤢

[frosty depot]

I dislike when this happens.

[sudden creek]

It was driving me crazy thinking "Did I just spend 2 days upgrading my system to find out I downgraded it.....".

glad I figured that out.

[amber canopy]

They arrived

[summer acorn]

Why is it so tall

I'm guessing it's laptop ram

[amber canopy]

no thats a normal dimm, its tall because thats just the design of the heatspreader

[river tapir]

Alright im back with probably another dumb question. My ram came with a fan to add on top of them. Do I need to use it? If so I need to completely redo my computer as my CPU cooler blocks it

[dull flint]

@river tapir what ram

[river tapir]

Corsair Vengeance LPX 2x16gb 4000MHz

[dull flint]

You're fine

Don't need it

[river tapir]

Awesome. Wanted to make sure because online was back and forth on whether it was needed or not

[dull flint]

It's only in the case where you were pushing some ridiculous XMP voltage like 1.6V

[river tapir]

Ok good to know figured it seemed excessive but that just seems to be how modern PCs are lol

[dull sluice]

lookin for a good wifi, msi motherboard, ryzen series, suggestions?

was lookin at MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk MAX, but I'd assume Id have to update bios to support Ryzen 5600x or Ryzen 7's?

[vast meadow]

You shouldn't have to and you can get a way cheaper motherboard something around the 120$ price range range would be enough for a 5700x, also if you where to go r5 get a 5600 instead, basically the same for like $30+ less

[dull sluice]

But if I wanna update to a better cpu, per say, ryzen 7 5800x 3d, etc. I'd need a board that can support that, which im pretty sure my current one cannot.

[hollow thorn]

Why not go am5 and have the option of 7700x and 7700x3d

[vast meadow]

going from ryzen 5000 to 5800x3d isnt worth it tbh

[dull sluice]

Your saying ryzen 5 5600x —-> ryzen 7 3dx isn’t worth?

[main pulsar]

not worth it

[dull sluice]

I see, so I’d have to buy a new motherboard than, pretty sure this one is handling all it can.

[vast meadow]

Usually minimum worth upgrading on the same platform is 2 gens or 1 gen 3-5/7 tier cpu

[stark violet]

With a 4090 the jump from 5600x to 5800x3d will be noticeable

Otherwise not really

[burnt spear]

Highly depends on game

I noticed a huge difference with just a 3060 ti going from 3600 to 13600k in wz2

[dusk vessel]

does this matter ? or i can get 3600mz

cpu ->

[grizzled bloom]

That's just the official support without overclocking

(XMP is overclocking for this purpose)

It would only matter on boards that don't allow memory overclocking like Intel B460

[dusk vessel]

according to my motherboard it said

so in short i can use 3600mz?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes

[real heron]

no

[grizzled bloom]

No what?

[real heron]

no why does it still say im new here

[grizzled bloom]

Well you did just join 5 days ago

[hard leaf]

[dull flint]

What mobo?

[wintry scarab]

Old ram

[summer acorn]

Fair enough

[misty belfry]

$250 for octacore i7 11700 (K doesn't suit my needs and uses way more power) worth it upgrading from an i5-11400?

[eternal helm]

Probably not

[misty belfry]

part of the workload is CPU video encoding

[eternal helm]

Depends specifically what you're after

And your budget

[misty belfry]

i9 11900 more worth it? it costs $350ish on amazon.

since as i can tell the only difference with the i9/i7 is a bit of clock speed

i don't know if that's exactly the right route to go, given that the i7 is so close to it

[eternal helm]

11900 def isn't worth

I'd look towards the 13th gen for the nice boost it'll give

Yeah it'll require a board upgrade at minimum, but if it fits into your budget it'd be worth

[misty belfry]

i'll get a DDR4 board because i already have DDR4 and DDR5 is weird

[grizzled bloom]

WARNING:
MSI driver source code has been stolen and there is a potential of officially signed drivers downloaded from third party sites (anything not msi.com) being compromised. Only download MSI drivers directly from MSI.

[tranquil wolf]

looking to possibly move up from a 12700k to a 13th gen CPU, any recommendations for 13600k or 13700k? also for ATX mobo using DDR5 to go with it?

[dull flint]

What's the reason for upgrading?

[grizzled bloom]

Are you just gaming? It's not worth upgrading for that

[dull flint]

Yeah not worth it really

[grizzled bloom]

Especially if you're above 1080p low

At 1080p low where you can see the differences you're looking at going from 166 to 184 fps

[dull flint]

?

Sir any 12700k build at 1080p is cursed

[grizzled bloom]

At 1440p you're more likely to get no increase at all

[grizzled bloom]

CPU reviews do 1080p, I'm just pointing out why

[dull flint]

I was confusion

[tranquil wolf]

currently gaming at 27" w/ 1440 and 165Hz, but I also use the system for remote work

just thought the CPU boost and going from DDR4 to DDR5 might help a lil w/ both

[dull flint]

What work do you do

[grizzled bloom]

If your work includes an all core load then some extra threads from more e-cores could help

AMD is still the rendering king though

[tranquil wolf]

work is a lil of everything: noc monitoring, tech support, fiber access, IPTV/VOIP services... my concern is having a cpl dozen programs, apps, windows open but some of that is also reliant on the remote machines which i have no control over those specs lol

just have a lil $$ coming and thought i would get some input, but if you guys say no reason to move up then i will put that back for now

[grizzled bloom]

None of that would use even half your cores

So yeah no real point upgrading, unless you really want to burn some money

[tranquil wolf]

yeah i would rather not waste the money, thanks for the info

[dull flint]

12700K is still very powerful

[stark violet]

people can want a high fps experience

1440p still takes more then half the fps away

[grizzled bloom]

Sure but he has a 1440p monitor

And it's not always half the fps

[stark violet]

still with the gpus majority have cant expect everyone to do 1440p

its too heavy for what is is

[grizzled bloom]

Which doesn't apply in this case so it wasn't considered

[oak sand]

Anyone who has experience on AM5- how big of a difference does B650 vs X670 vs X670E make? I can't find any reasonable comparisons besides pcie slots and etc

But from what I can tell it's mostly just fancy extra features

[cursive epoch]

Yeah it's mostly fancy stuff

[dull flint]

Basically nothing performance-wise

Pcie 5 on the pcie slot?

About it

No gpus can leverage pcie 5 yet

[oak sand]

Yeah that's what I saw, more like pcie lanes or somethin but it seemed like mostly fancy doodahs

[dull flint]

Pretty much ye

[cursive epoch]

I would go as far as saying a620 is even fine, if you don't go above something like 7800x3d

But a series has lacking i/o

And generally not as many ssd slots

[oak sand]

Thats what I figured. Overclocking is kinda limited either way from what I can tell

So the whole "ENTHUSIAST OVERCLOCKING!!!" seems like marketing

[cursive epoch]

yep lol

it's always marketing

[oak sand]

"extreme vrm cooling"
58c vs 54c

[sudden creek]

It's mostly all just buzz word bing go.

[amber canopy]

[sudden creek]

Just douse some Ln2 on it. Problem solved, now you got -40c vrms.

[oak sand]

And 0 ghz CPU 😢

[stray raptor]

Anyone know how to get the Optical Audio to play the same Audio Stream as a Subwoofer that is plugged into the onboard audio???

[grizzled bloom]

AMD Zen 5 is looking spicy. An engineering sample of dual 64 core zen 5 (128c/256t) almost beat the world record of cinebench r23. The engineering sample being air cooled, while the WR is LN2.

With a bit of math using that ~123,000 score and clock speeds that could mean as much as a 20% IPC gain, with early silicon. 🌶️

[amber canopy]

the forbidden gdie

[grizzled bloom]

That label is really hard to read

But does that say PC4-14900

[amber canopy]

lol yea

i'd buy gdie ddr4 in a heartbeat

[grizzled bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-brain-dead-drool-bored-gif-7233020

[amber canopy]

😦

[amber canopy]

Did you see I ordered more ddr3 🙂

Not addicted™️

[dull flint]

I had hope for a minute

You were talking about ddr4

I have returned to my apathetic mood

[amber canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/kento-nanami-jujutsu-kaisen-jjk-characters-kiyotaka-ijichi-elevator-gif-25208969

[vast meadow]

Why in the world would you need mor d3

[amber canopy]

binning

the ddr3 i ordered earlier is 3100C12 1R H4M

pretty high bin mfr, should be interesting

[dull flint]

Sounds stupid

I need you to order 18 more sticks

[next thistle]

Hi! I just see that I forgot to get a thermal past!
Any recommendations for a good one? It's for an I5-13600k and a Deepcool AK620.
Thanks

[oak sand]

Ak620 should’ve came with one

I think?

[burnt spear]

Ak620 comes with some

[next thistle]

Ok cool! Thanks

[celest ginkgo]

How is everyone doing today!
So I’m planning to upgrade to 13th Gen sometime in the future.
I’m currently on 10th, 10700kf, and my MoBo is a z490 MSI gaming edge wifi. I’ve had honestly a pretty awesome experience, and I feel like I matched the two pretty well. I don’t have a whole bunch of features I don’t need or don’t use nor do I not have enough.

I haven’t done too much reading up on Z790 and I just want some suggestions on a MoBo that would be good to pair with the 13700kf.
Looking at the Z790 Edge wifi from MSI.

[dim cloak]

If you do don't forget to keep in mind the DDR4 and DDR5 variants and usually the board will either have D4 or DDR4 in the name

[spiral fulcrum]

btw I bought them some days ago and they just arrived, xmp latencies seemed a bit high and rn I'm trying to optimize them at 1.4v managed to get the latency down from 72 ns to 68.2, still using ryzen 7 3800x as of rn

[sudden creek]

Anyone have a guess as to how my R7-5700G for a split moment hit 5.065ghz?

Not using custom bios.

[cursive epoch]

PBO

[sudden creek]

In one of the benches the CPU hit 5.415ghz.

[cursive epoch]

Yeah PBO will boost as high as it can when situation allows

Only for a brief moment it can hit that high that is

[sudden creek]

Unfortunately so.

Though I am getting a consistent 4.8ghz all core.

So that's sweet.

Currently benching my GPU over and over again. I am so close to getting a stable clock that also gets me past the 14k score in 3Dmark.

Currently at 13,988pts.

[vivid lynx]

I'm struggling to choice a cpu either the 5800x3d or the 5900x both the same price atm

[dull flint]

What's the pc for

[vivid lynx]

Mostly gaming, hopefully at 1440p soon as gunna be getting either a 6800xt or 6900xt so don't wanna bottleneck

[dull flint]

5800X3D

there's a 6950XT Asrock going for like $610 rn

what psu have you got?

[vivid lynx]

750w

I'm from the UK so is that the same here?

[dull flint]

ah no, that's usd

check 6800, 6800XT, 6900XT and 6950XT prices tho

all 4 should pretty much work with your system

as long as it's a good 750W

like a corsair RMx or MSI AG or SuperFlower Leadex III

[vast meadow]

I heard UK

What's the budget for cards

[vivid lynx]

It's sesonic one so yeah pretty good, gold standard and that

[dull flint]

can you give us the exact model

not all sseasonics are born amazing

[vivid lynx]

Probably like £600-£700

[dull flint]

every brand has a firecracker for a psu

even gold/platinum ones

[vivid lynx]

Seasonic Focus GX 750W 80 Plus Gold Fully Modular PSU

[dull flint]

ok that one is certified amazing

But glad I checked

yeah cheapest best card you can afford

they'll all work

[vivid lynx]

Even 6950xt, obviously not 7000 series

[dull flint]

nah 7000 series will work

7900XT can indeed work

7900 XTX? yeah, reference cards will

@vivid lynx how much ram have you got

also what case

[vivid lynx]

32gb 3600mhz and lian li lancool 2 performance

[dull flint]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/ts7G3C/asrock-radeon-rx-6950-xt-16-gb-oc-formula-video-card-rx6950xt-ocf-16g
or
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/gbXV3C/asrock-phantom-gaming-oc-radeon-rx-6950-xt-16-gb-video-card-rx6950xt-pg-16go
or
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/7dNxFT/xfx-speedster-merc-310-radeon-rx-7900-xt-20-gb-video-card-rx-79tmercu9

if I were to pick, OCF

If I could stretch? RDNA 3

want to save on it? Phantom gaming

pick your poison

[vivid lynx]

Have to see if I can stretch thr budget 😅 I like them all 😅

[dull flint]

OC formula is the best 6950XT

the phantom gaming is still a 6950XT so still great

the merc 7900XT gives you a tier up and imo a better AMD experience

cos newer drivers

[vivid lynx]

Tough choices, do play some heavy games

[dull flint]

imo 7900xt is like, peak 1440p and the best gpu you can ever pair with zen 3 (and 5800x3d)

any higher and you start seeing bottlenecks

so wasted money

[vivid lynx]

Good to know

[dull flint]

what monitor are you running for 1440p?

144/165/240hz are all good in this situation

[vivid lynx]

I haven't decided on them either yet 😅😅

[dull flint]

ah ok

@vast meadow help deh man with monitor too

I go eat

[vast meadow]

@vivid lynx btw i wouldn't buy from newegg uk I've heard that the shipping estimates don't include import tax, or I'd at least look into it before buying something from newegg in the uk as they ship a lot of stuff over from the us instead of having local places

I'd go with this if you don't mind bstock
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/-b-grade-gigabyte-32-m32q-2560x1440-ssips-165hz-0.8ms-freesync-led-backlit-widescreen-gaming-mon-bg-5d2-gi.html

If you wanted 27"
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/JPrYcf/gigabyte-g27q-270-2560x1440-144-hz-monitor-g27q
If you don't like b stock and want 32"
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/HYZ9TW/hp-x32-315-2560x1440-165-hz-monitor-2v7v2aaaba

[vivid lynx]

Oh no yeah I go with scan or overclockers uk

[vast meadow]

Box and ccl and the others on pc part picker are fine I'd just be weary of newegg since it's not actually in the uk usually

Actually that's also shipping from the US

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/kFRYcf/amd-radeon-rx-6950-xt-16-gb-video-card-100-438416
Or this if you don't mind going a tiny bit over budget
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/ZHFbt6/powercolor-radeon-rx-6950-xt-16-gb-red-devil-oc-video-card-axrx-6950xt-16gbd6-3dheoc

[vivid lynx]

Yeah fair enough, that gigabyte monitor looks nice

[vast meadow]

Both the gigabytes and the hp are great yeah

Also imo on the cpu upgrade, I'd just wait for next gen cpus and upgrade to them or something unless you need the extra cpu power

[vivid lynx]

Won't it bottleneck anything higher, I don't wanna change mobos really not long had it

[vast meadow]

It depends on what you play what settings etc

[vast meadow]

But remember bottlenecking not exactly bad

[vivid lynx]

Alot of escape from tarkov and some star citizen mostly

[vast meadow]

I'm not sure on those games tbh but imo it's not worth the £300 or so for the uplift then trying to find someone to buy a 3900 (probably not gonna be able to sell for that much) also if you happen to actually need multicore perf x3d chips aren't where it's at compared to regular chips

[oak sand]

How does one decide what to set their CPU PPT, TDC, and EDC limit?

[sudden creek]

what's the name of intel's version of PBO?

[cursive epoch]

It's TAU I think

[cerulean wadi]

tau is the time in seconds of the boosting. Intel's PBO is just pretty much called Turbo Boost or such afaik, lol. https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/gaming/resources/turbo-boost.html (sort of an "old" page, but has some info) --- From around when 10th gen was out, but this has some neat info too: https://www.extremetech.com/computing/311414-intel-shares-pl1-pl2-and-tau-values-on-10th-generation-cpus

[cursive epoch]

PBO is ocing tho

Turbo boost isn't, it's running within official range

And I guess Intel lacks pbo tech

[cerulean wadi]

Intel doesn't (feel) we need pbo-like stuff perhaps, haha. I messed up thinking PBO was so like Intel's turbo.

[cursive epoch]

I want Intel to do something like pbo honestly

[dull flint]

idk if you can even call it tech

ig?

PBO is just like TVB/turbo just a bit smarter

resultant behaviours are very similar

[cursive epoch]

Fair nuff

[sudden creek]

Would Static OC harm my cpu if I'm still running at an undervolt?

[grizzled bloom]

For a static OC you'd be setting a static voltage anyway, your CO settings are ignored because no boosting

[cursive epoch]

depends on the voltage

[sudden creek]

Hmmm, so long as I don't give it much voltage would a static OC be bad for the CPU?

[grizzled bloom]

The steps for that are basically set the highest voltage you're comfortable with, set the core multiplier up until you get errors, then lower voltage until it errors

[cursive epoch]

Ryzen cpus degrades even at 1.35v under load so

[grizzled bloom]

There's some debate around that, some say 5000 series is more robust than that others say never will I ever above 1.2v

[cursive epoch]

I would keep it safe and not touch above 1.2

[grizzled bloom]

I don't care much about degrading so I would run 1.3v anyway, 1.25v playing it safer

[sudden creek]

Gotcha, what voltage am I currently running at with -28 offset?

[cursive epoch]

PBO is auto oc, so it chooses any voltage the situation allows

[grizzled bloom]

Look at hwinfo under cinebench load, every chip is running a different voltage

[cursive epoch]

^

[sudden creek]

Aight, give me a sec and I will test. I am debating if I should switch to static OC for better all core loads.

[grizzled bloom]

No reason not to save a profile for both CO and manual settings depending on what you're doing

[sudden creek]

True.

[grizzled bloom]

You can also theoretically simplify it by using ryzen master to set things instead of going to bios every time but once you find settings that work make sure to set it in bios for stability

[sudden creek]

Will probably do that tbh.

CO: games, browsing etc
Manual: blender, benches

Would r23 of cinebench work?

Also should I do multicore or single core.

[grizzled bloom]

Yep as long as it's an all core load

You can use your load voltage there as a starting point for your OC if you wanted too

[sudden creek]

I only need sensors right?

[grizzled bloom]

yes

"Core VIDs" is what you're looking for

It's right above "core clocks"

[sudden creek]

Ahh okay.

Check for max or average voltage?

[grizzled bloom]

Neither

Look at current values when it's under load

[sudden creek]

Gotcha.

Starting all core now

Oh also I got 14,586 last run on r23 from the 12,100 some pts I had earlier this week.

[grizzled bloom]

very nice

[sudden creek]

Ngl feels good beating my competition who had an identical system.

[grizzled bloom]

Yes it does lol

[sudden creek]

5m into r23 it seems my cores like to stay around 1.2-1.24v

[grizzled bloom]

Sounds about right

[sudden creek]

With an average all core boost of about 4.6Ghz and regular spikes up to 4.8Ghz.

So I should start with a voltage of 1.24?

[grizzled bloom]

Yep that would be good

See if you can get a multiplier of 47 working to get a steady 4.7GHz

[sudden creek]

Aight, I am gonna let this cinebench run finish to figure out which core disliked -30 offset then I will try that.

How do I save a profile in bios?

[grizzled bloom]

It'll be under the save end exit menu

[sudden creek]

K.

[grizzled bloom]

You'll be able to rename it too for quick access, and save it to a USB if you want to back it up

[sudden creek]

Oh yeah so far 6/8 cores seem to work fine with a -30 offset, that considered good?

[sudden creek]

Neat.

[grizzled bloom]

I'm not 100% sure how an average 5700g performs but that's sounding very good to me

[sudden creek]

I wonder what r23 score I will get with an steady 4.7ghz.

[grizzled bloom]

Wow you're only behind my best r23 score by about 2000 points, and that's set at 4.9GHz.
And you haven't even done your static OC yet.

[sudden creek]

Hehhe.

I won a wonderful sample it seems.

[sudden creek]

5800x correct?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes which makes it even more impressive you're that close

I don't expect you to beat it, that was also at 1.45v

[sudden creek]

..... I love OC but I'd never risk my hardware's life.

Aight saved my profile.

[grizzled bloom]

Hey if I kill it it's an excuse to my wife to upgrade

[sudden creek]

Lmao.

Anyways, what's the name of the setting I should change to make it a static OC?

[grizzled bloom]

You were on MSI right?

[sudden creek]

Yeah.

[grizzled bloom]

Core multiplier on the main OC page

[sudden creek]

I see Manual CPU OC.

[grizzled bloom]

Then scroll down to core voltage, tell it override mode, 1.24v

[sudden creek]

Gives me an option for frequency and voltage.

[grizzled bloom]

That should work

[sudden creek]

There's also CPU clock ratio.

[grizzled bloom]

There's about 3 different interfaces actively used by MSI right now so it's hard to tell which you have

[sudden creek]

Turn off PBO?

[grizzled bloom]

Nah it'll just get ignored

[sudden creek]

Should I use the manual OC in advanced OC settings or the one in Tweaker called clock ratio?

[grizzled bloom]

At the very top left, what click bios version does it say?

[sudden creek]

Bios version FB,obo B550M DS3H.

It was in system info.

I am on v1.4 of the board according to someone else the other day.

[grizzled bloom]

Oh wait ds3h? That's a gigabyte

[sudden creek]

🤦‍♂️ misread.

Sorry.

Yes I am on Gigabyte.

[grizzled bloom]

That explains the difference lol

[sudden creek]

When you said MSI I thought you said gigglebit.

[grizzled bloom]

Anyway try CPU ratio 47 and core voltage override 1.24v

[sudden creek]

Noticed it gives me an option up to like 68.

Does that mean theoretically I can do beyond 4.8ghz with static?

[grizzled bloom]

And it might go pretty close to that, under LN2 cooling

[sudden creek]

👀

Will be remembering that for another day.

When this chip becomes expendable to me I might attempt Ln2 on it if that's the case.

47 set.

What is the name of the thing I need to change for voltage?

[grizzled bloom]

CPU Core Voltage

[sudden creek]

CPU Vcore voltage by any chance?

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah that sounds right

[sudden creek]

There's CPU Voltage if I look in advanced OC.

Same for frequency.

[grizzled bloom]

Stick to the main menu for now

[sudden creek]

Ok.

[grizzled bloom]

Things get weird when you start setting the advanced options and the main options at the same time

[sudden creek]

Gotcha.

Set it to 1.24v correct for CPU Vcore?

[grizzled bloom]

yes

[sudden creek]

Setting to 1.244 as that's the closest option.

Save and try running cinebench sum it up?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes

If it's not stable then you can try load line calibration to get the voltage more steady

[sudden creek]

What's that?

Uhhh, all I am seeing is a frozen screen of the bios after it tried loading in.

Shutdown and boot the PC?

[grizzled bloom]

There's a small amount of voltage drop (vdroop) under load. Higher levels of LLC will stabilize the voltage closer to the set voltage.

[sudden creek]

Gotcha.

[grizzled bloom]

You can set one of 3 things here, LLC level 4, higher core voltage, or lower your clock multiplier to 46.5

[sudden creek]

What should I do about the frozen screen, is it safe to shutdown the PC then boot it?

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah just shut it off and go back to bios

[sudden creek]

Will start with LLC.

Where does one usually find that?

And I guess I will up the voltage to 1.26v that seems good?

[grizzled bloom]

One or the other, so you know which worked

[sudden creek]

K.

LLC first then.

[grizzled bloom]

That's usually under power settings

[sudden creek]

Any other names it might go by?

[grizzled bloom]

It would be CPU Load Line Calibration, I'm not sure under what submenu for gigabyte

[sudden creek]

CPU Vcore Loadline calibration?

[grizzled bloom]

yes

Try level 4

[sudden creek]

Found it in CPU/VRM settings at the bottom of tweaker.

It's not giving numbers.

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah MSI calls it Digitall power configuration lol

[grizzled bloom]

Medium

[sudden creek]

K.

What's Vcore soc?

[grizzled bloom]

System on Chip

[sudden creek]

Blue screen....

[grizzled bloom]

Ok you can bump voltage a tad then

[sudden creek]

That's the first one I got in years.

What's a good bump?

1.25 or 1.26?

[grizzled bloom]

1.26 probably\

[sudden creek]

1.262v set