cpus-mobo-and-memory

[obtuse forge]

damn it well ill have to get a r3 1200 then

[radiant iron]

Anyone know why a pc would be freezing can still move mouse around no issue but nothing at all will respond for a minute then be alright and repeats

[grizzled bloom]

Could be any one of a hundred things. Low memory, busy cpu, virus, bloatware...
Try logging hardware stats with hwinfo and see if anything looks weird, like full memory or 100% cpu/gpu usage.

[radiant iron]

i think it seems to happen far more often when in discord voice chats

tho instead of freezing just discord its everything

[grizzled bloom]

Try disabling hardware acceleration in discord

[radiant iron]

would that matter if u had decent specs?

[grizzled bloom]

Specs don't really matter, discord breaks things all the time

[radiant iron]

yeah ok

if that is the issue is there a fix?

[grizzled bloom]

You could try ddu but more likely you'd need to wait for a discord update

?ddu

[silk jungle]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[dull flint]

https://a.co/d/3tpjFaJ

B die for like $90

Gonna recommend this from now on

[vast meadow]

Noice

[burnt spear]

I'd throw that in tech deals

[amber canopy]

Some nice dual rank s8b

[dull flint]

Buy it

Send the 5600g to 5333MHz

[amber canopy]

Nah

[dull flint]

Buy it

Or I'll buy u in a minute

[amber canopy]

Nah

[dull flint]

Gonna buy you with all my crypto

[compact zenith]

Karma at its best. Kid sells his used motherboard on eBay to raise cash for a better system. Buyer knowing it's a kid, using his dad's account, swaps out his motherboard for the kids, thinking it was bad, when in fact their power supply was bad. Guy sends his motherboard to kid and contacts eBay to report the kid using his dad's account, which guarantees he gets his money back. Only problem, the guy doing the swap, forgot to take the CPU, ram, and several NVME out. Kids dad gets involved and verifys the serial number on board matches the guys info, so after contacting eBay with the info, the adult who did the swap, doesn't get his money back and kid gets to keep both the money, and loaded motherboard.

I used to do retail long ago. Lost count at how many times people pulled a scene at returns because they'd swap older items out, like faucets and tools, and try saying they bought it that way, for loss prevention to confront them that it's strange how this older item is registered to them, which is why many stores require ID on returns without receipts. Keeps them from going to other stores, and sometimes verify that their return obviously had correct item in the box in the first place. As Sheriff Grady says a lot, I love stupid criminals heh.

I watch a lot of his posts. A funny one a few years back, theif steals from ATMs, doesn't care camera recorded his face, then posts his haul on Facebook.

[compact zenith]

Crypto currency. Forgot the guys name who threw out his hard drive accidentally, and found out his small investment is worth millions. Murphy's law, hell probably go and move one day, and find that drive actually under his bed, and realize his millions have by then dropped to pennies. Me, I'd never invest into something that has no backing. Hard enough these days investing in things that do have backing.

The worst mistake I ever did was to toss a winning $100 bingo scratcher. It used to be that when you scratched the entire ticket, three letters around the game board would spell out a winning ticket. Like Ten=$10, FTY=$50, or HUN=$100. Bought one and let me kids scratch a few, so when they messed up, I scratched entire card, saw no letters, tossed it in trash. Guy behind me fishes it out, asks cashier to scan it, and find out it's a $100 winner. Found out that day, that they don't print those letters on scratchers anymore. My kids wouldn't let me live it down for weeks lol.

[obtuse forge]

Does a320 support sata m.2 ssd? I just have one on the shelf

[cursive epoch]

Depends on which exact board it is

[obtuse forge]

Asia prime a320m-a

[cursive epoch]

that one has a slot

not sure if it works with sata

seems it supports both nvme and sata

[obtuse forge]

Guess I have to try

[amber canopy]

Picked up some free ddr3 goodies from my workplace @stiff kraken @dull flint

[sudden creek]

xD.

I guess free ram is free ram.

[stiff kraken]

are you gonna oc them

[amber canopy]

they're all 4gig sticks, so semi-useful

nope, they're all jedec garbo

[stiff kraken]

oc them.

[amber canopy]

waste of time

[stiff kraken]

one of them will secretly do 3200 6-7-6

trust

[amber canopy]

I dont find mem OC THAT fun, im not sadistic

[amber canopy]

🥴

[stiff kraken]

secret alien technology stolen from sector 5

that’s what that label means

[amber canopy]

[stiff kraken]

will literally complete superpi in negative time

in fact it doesn’t even take voltage, it’s grass fed ram

[sudden creek]

Lmao.

[amber canopy]

[iron nacelle]

"GET MORE"

[grizzled bloom]

@untold zinc No selling in this server

[untold zinc]

my bad

[amber canopy]

leaked ddr7 IC

[split copper]

Eat it

Put it in your mouth

[amber canopy]

been there done that

[split copper]

Suck on it

Stick it up your nose

Pull it out and put it in your ear

Repeat process 10x or until success

[amber canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-naoki-urasawa-heinrich-lunge-anime-gif-22231212

[split copper]

https://tenor.com/view/burner-phone-bye-walking-break-phone-gif-14991693

[amber canopy]

gus

[split copper]

What he will next

[amber canopy]

sus

[amber canopy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9TjJviotnI&ab_channel=der8auerEN

[sudden creek]

7950x3D vs 7950x which is better for which use case?

Modeling, Rendering vs Gaming.

[dull flint]

13900k tbh

I mean 7950x3d is pretty good considering

[sudden creek]

What about for workstation? 7950x3D vs 13900K?

If they are pretty close to each other then I will go with AMD so I can stay on AM5 for 3 gens without needing to swap Mobo everytime.

[dull flint]

I'd say 13900k is better for workstation unless your big grab is compression

Encoding and rendering, quick sync is really hard to ignore

13900k is much better for other stuff like cad too

Versus amd which likes compression decompression

Between the two in gaming the difference is single digits at most

[sudden creek]

How big is the difference in blender?

Because I'd prefer not needing to buy a new cpu + Mobo when I upgrade each generation.

[grizzled bloom]

13900k is pretty close to the 7950X but at quite a bit more power draw than the 7950X3D, if that's a concern for you

[sudden creek]

Seems I am sticking to AMD this time around at least until after meteor lake because that seems to be a mess.

[dull flint]

For CAD I like the 13900K as it's just outright faster

Intel stonk

I mean you brought up modelling lol

[sudden creek]

I've been getting into Blender more lately. Not a lot into cad though.

[dull flint]

I mean if that's not a worry then sure

[sudden creek]

What's perf difference between 7950x3D and 7950x in games?

[grizzled bloom]

14th gen is looking like a big turd sandwich from what I've heard, like no i9 and the top would be 14700k with 6p8e

[sudden creek]

15%?

[dull flint]

15%-ish

[grizzled bloom]

It depends on the game

Some games, 0

Others, 20%

Still others, -5%

[sudden creek]

Halo, Fortnite, COD, Minecraft, MMORPGs (eg: Destiny 2).

[grizzled bloom]

MMOs will like it for the cache, they're heavily single thread bound in general

I haven't looked into the others, let me check

Warzone looks like about 20% boost

With 50% better lows, interesting

[sudden creek]

Interesting.

[grizzled bloom]

DOOM is no change at all

That game is really well optimized already

Hogwarts

Fortnite looks broken right now, the performance is SO much worse on the 7950X3D

You'd want to set the "prefer frequency" option in bios until they fix that

[sudden creek]

Wait rally?

[grizzled bloom]

The averages are about the same but the lows are abysmal, by about half

[sudden creek]

Ouch.

Prefer frequency fixes that?

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah that should. It tells it to use the regular cores on the second CCD instead of the vcache CCD

[sudden creek]

Oh okay.

I need to sleep gn.

[grizzled bloom]

g'night

[sudden creek]

How are the Corsair Dominator Platinum ram sticks compared to the Flare X5 ram sticks for workstation use?

Also would a DDR4 heatsink fit on a DDR5 stick? Like the aluminium one from Ezdiy-Fab.

[vast meadow]

Ram manufacturer doesn't matter if you're not overclocking

[spiral fulcrum]

Corsair Vengeance Rgb Pro 32Gb 2X16Gb Ddr4 3600 Pc4-28800 C18

is this good for DDR4

I'm switching from my XPG D60G's bc I need more RAM capacity

I couldn't find the memory chips of those corsair RAMs if anyone knows what their chips are it'd be helpful

[burnt spear]

Depends on price

You can get an identical kit for $70 from teamgroup or oloy

[spiral fulcrum]

its very cheap on amazon.de

can u suggest something better from amazon.de if its not good for the price

I don't have a budget limit but I also don't want to pay a lot for a DDR4 RAM

I want something which won't be a downgrade from my hynix-c die 3600 mhz cl16

[burnt spear]

Just get the cheapest 3600c16 kit then

Brand is irrelevant

Also cl18 is a downgrade from cl16

Lower cl is better

As cl=latency

[spiral fulcrum]

mine was 3200 mhz cl 16

I overclocked this

[burnt spear]

3200c16 ah ok

Then whatever the cheapest 3200c16, 3600c18, or 3600c16 kit is

[spiral fulcrum]

I will still overclock the ram I get so wouldn't the chip matter?

I do game dev and latency optimizations made a lot of difference for me

[burnt spear]

If you're lucky and there's a sale on a 3200c14 kit like there was on amazon US recently, you could get cheap B die

If you're big into ram tuning, it might be worth investing in Rev E or B die

[spiral fulcrum]

what'd be a good model from amazon.de?

[burnt spear]

For Rev e and or B die?

Or just a regular kit

[spiral fulcrum]

b

b die

[burnt spear]

I know tridentz has a variant for B die but I don't remember how to tell it apart, I don't know a ton about specific models. One sec, I'll find you someone who does who's online

@vast meadow you around?

I'd take a look but I'm walking into work in about 30 seconds

[spiral fulcrum]

yeah I've heard that theres something like "fake B-die" if that info is still recent

[spiral fulcrum]

its ok thanks for helping nonetheless

[burnt spear]

If you see a kit that's 1.5v jedec with 3200c14 timings, that could be considered "fake" b die

[spiral fulcrum]

ohh like that

they do that a lot

[burnt spear]

Since it looks like B die purely on speed and timings, but way too much voltage to be b die, unless manufacturer just doesn't know what they're doing and fed voltage without increasing speed or lowering timings

Kk I gotta run, if I have a chance I'll check back and see if anyone helped you

If not I'll take a look around

[spiral fulcrum]

ok thanks for your time

[grizzled bloom]

No, because DDR5 has extra components that need to be cooled like the PMIC.
I guess if you take off the stock pads and put your own that could work, but at that point you're spending more.

[vast meadow]

was going on?

[sudden creek]

Ahh I see. Already talked to what's his name with the yellow username and techie role. Decided to go with the Fury Beast non RGB ram.

[grizzled bloom]

Felix? Probably Felix

Decent looking memory

[burnt spear]

Questions about d4, they oc and low latency is good for what they do

[grizzled bloom]

Here's an example of what not to get. It's 3200 c14 so it could look like B-die at first glance, but the full timings give it away. 14-18-18 could be B-die but probably something else. If you're looking for B-die the dead giveaway is straight timings, like 3200 14-14-14 or 4000 16-16-16.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wBkWGX/mushkin-redline-lumina-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-cl14-memory-mla4c320ejjp8gx2

[spiral fulcrum]

I couldn't find any good cl 14-14-14 RAMs and I'll use with ryzen 7 3800x so 4000 mhz doesn't make a lot of sense

I don't think that my cpu can do 2000 MHz IF

so should I just go with a regular kit?

[burnt spear]

Falcie is one of the people here I trust when it comes to ram, they're very knowledgeable

[grizzled bloom]

2000 IF is hard even for 5000 series (except certain ones)

Sweet spot for price/performance is 3600c16 ofc but if you're overclocking you can get b-die for a good price right now.

16gb or 32gb?

[spiral fulcrum]

32

I'm upgrading from 16

[grizzled bloom]

Stay with me on this one... HP RAM
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9gxRsY/hp-v10-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl14-memory-48u45aaabc

[spiral fulcrum]

does this have any europe listings?

[grizzled bloom]

Ah, what part of EU?

[spiral fulcrum]

germany is fine

I'll have to import the ram anyways

bc amazon US has really high fees especially shipping

[grizzled bloom]

Amazon.de has this
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/BZwqqs/gskill-ripjaws-v-series-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl14-memory-f4-3200c14d-32gvk

[spiral fulcrum]

ok a sec

no stocks afaik

yeah

either I can't find them or there's a shortage of these types of rams

[grizzled bloom]

It says there's 6 in stock for me when I VPN to Berlin

[spiral fulcrum]

it says no stock for me even when I change amazon's store location

strange

ohh thats probably the ones which will ship to my country

I can still get this one tho I think

ok I'll look for this one

[grizzled bloom]

Does this site ship to your country? https://www.alternate.de/G-Skill/DIMM-32-GB-DDR4-3200-Kit-Arbeitsspeicher/html/product/1260888

[spiral fulcrum]

no sadly, I have friends in germany tho I can get these with them

I live in Turkey all of these rams have no stock in my local sellers

I'll see if I can get one of those with them

or maybe I can just get the corsair vengeance rgb pros

these rams are obv way better but I don't know if they are worth the extra and the effort for ddr4 rn

[grizzled bloom]

How does this price look? https://tr.pcpartpicker.com/mr/neweggtr/WtjWGX

[spiral fulcrum]

hm I can get this actually

but its 2x the price of vengeance rgb pros do u think that it's worth the extra overclock?

I can spare money for it if it is

[grizzled bloom]

On AM4 yes it's worth it in my opinion

[spiral fulcrum]

ok thanks I'm saving this link, good model as well I like the design of those tridentz rams

[grizzled bloom]

I got a good 20% more fps in my favorite CPU limited games going from C-die to OC B-die

[spiral fulcrum]

I'll probs get a 5800x3d and 4070 ti/4080 upgrade as well

so it should be more worth it?

[grizzled bloom]

Actually on the 5800X3D it really doesn't care about memory because the cache is so huge

[spiral fulcrum]

oh ok

[grizzled bloom]

3200 c16 performs about the same as 3800 c14 on that specific chip

[spiral fulcrum]

ok well

so should I still get this ram with the 5800x3d upgrade in mind?

[grizzled bloom]

If you plan on going for that then you can save a good chunk of money and get 3600 c16 memory instead. It'll still overclock nicely if you wanted.

[spiral fulcrum]

so should the vengeance rgb pros I sent at first be fine with it?

I'm saying this model a lot bc its very cheap on amazon.de rn

well its 3600 c18 but I got my 3200 mhz c16 ram to 3600 c16 so it should be fine I guess

but again I don't know what chip it uses

[grizzled bloom]

3600 c18 won't overclock too well, how's the price compared to this? https://tr.pcpartpicker.com/mr/neweggtr/3wbTwP

[spiral fulcrum]

very small difference

[grizzled bloom]

If it's about the same price then get the c16 I just linked

It'll be worth it long term

[spiral fulcrum]

oh my god the shipping tho

[grizzled bloom]

Never mind then

[spiral fulcrum]

can we get this shipping fee removed with multiple items?

maybe if I buy something with this?

[grizzled bloom]

5800X3D is quite happy with 3600 c18

I know that's a trick on Amazon but I don't think it works on Newegg

[spiral fulcrum]

that's sad, well I might be able to find this ram on amazon a sec

yes this is on amazon.de great

with a good price

so I'll buy this if its all fine

[grizzled bloom]

The c16 one right? Yep you'll be happy with that one before and after your CPU upgrade.

[spiral fulcrum]

yes c16

exactly same model number

ok once I get this I will do my best overclock on this

thanks a lot

[grizzled bloom]

Happy to help

[honest topaz]

Is 1 stick of 8gb of ram enough?

I had 2 sticks but got no signal with 2 in at once

[grizzled bloom]

Enough for what?

Running Windows and maybe a couple browser windows? Sure

[honest topaz]

It’s not enough to play games/ do work or anything like that on

[grizzled bloom]

Games definitely not

If your work is mostly MS word and Skype then yes

[honest topaz]

If I put the other stick in it gives me no signal should I try putting it in a different spot on the motherboard?

[grizzled bloom]

You'll want to have the sticks in the second and fourth slots, the one closest to the CPU being first

[honest topaz]

I had them in those spots but I got no signal but when 8 took the 4th one out it works

But there’s only 8gb of ram now so I can’t rlly do anything

Could I put them in the 1st and 3rd?

Or 2nd and 3rd

[grizzled bloom]

You can try switching the second and fourth

[honest topaz]

Ok

[grizzled bloom]

If it's not working in 2 and 4 then it won't work in 1 and 3 (unless there's physical damage to slot 4), and especially not 2 and 3

[honest topaz]

I took the both ram sticks out of 2 and 4 and can’t fit them into any slot now

1 side locks and the other side of the stick goes up

[grizzled bloom]

Make sure they're in the slot right, it sounds like it's upside down

[honest topaz]

Wdym in the slot right

[grizzled bloom]

Make sure the gap lines up with the peg in the slot

[honest topaz]

It does

I can get one side locked on but the other side goes up a little bit and won’t go down far enough for it to get locked in aswell

Any other solutions?

[split copper]

Push down on both ends of the stick

[grizzled bloom]

Firmly

[honest topaz]

Igh

[split copper]

I usually slot the stick in on one end and then lock it in place, to work on the other end next

[honest topaz]

It worked for 1 stick 🙏

[split copper]

Perfect

Now it will work for the next :)

So long as the slots aren't clogged with dead leaves or regrets

[honest topaz]

I put all the ram in and it’s locked but now the pc won’t turn on @split copper @grizzled bloom

[grizzled bloom]

Try without the one you know is good

[honest topaz]

Still doesn’t turn on

With either one of them

[grizzled bloom]

Clear your CMOS, and if that doesn't help then remount your CPU cooler. Sometimes over-tightening that can cause memory channels to drop out.

?cmos

[silk jungle]

How to clear CMOS (works for AMD and Intel)
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025368/processors.html

[honest topaz]

Where is the computer cover?

@grizzled bloom

[grizzled bloom]

They mean the side panel

[honest topaz]

The motherboard panel?

This

[grizzled bloom]

The one that's already open that you've been accessing the memory through

[honest topaz]

The front panel?

[grizzled bloom]

The front is where the power button is

[honest topaz]

Send me a pic

I’m confused sorry

[grizzled bloom]

It's already open though

[honest topaz]

What is?

[grizzled bloom]

The side panel

That's how you got to the memory

[honest topaz]

I got to the memory through the front panel

This?

[grizzled bloom]

yes

[honest topaz]

Mb I thought this was the front panel

Where is the battery?

[grizzled bloom]

It might be hiding under the GPU

[honest topaz]

Don’t see it still

[grizzled bloom]

What motherboard is it?

[honest topaz]

GIGABYTE B660M DS3H DDR4

[grizzled bloom]

It's hiding under the GPU

Silver button cell battery

[honest topaz]

Damn

I can’t see it it’s really hiding under it

[quartz zinc]

Can anyone tell me what this weird button on my mobo is?

The manual wont tell me

[hollow thorn]

Where is it?

[quartz zinc]

Next to the ram

[grizzled bloom]

You have a jumper you can use instead of the battery

[honest topaz]

K

[grizzled bloom]

Labeled "CLR_CMOS"

[hollow thorn]

What motherboard?

[quartz zinc]

B650e-f

I pressed it once and broke it

Its stuck now

[hollow thorn]

oh it might be some kind of tooless chipset vrm removal thing

[honest topaz]

@grizzled bloom I’m confused how I’m supposed to move it from position 1-2 to 2-3

[hollow thorn]

ah, looked like it was on the chipset vrm from the pic

[grizzled bloom]

You only have the 2 pins, just touch the 2 together

[honest topaz]

What am i moving

Which 1

[grizzled bloom]

The ones you have circled in orange, touch them both with something metal like a flathead screwdriver (non-coated tip)

It might take a couple tries to get the clear to go through

[honest topaz]

So touch 1 with something medal then touch the other?

[hollow thorn]

Bridge the gap

[grizzled bloom]

Both at the same time

[honest topaz]

Ok how do I know when to stop

[grizzled bloom]

Hold it there for about 10-15 seconds, longer if you want

You should get a message when you turn it on after that it's loading defaults

[honest topaz]

What if it doesn’t turn on

[grizzled bloom]

Then try again

[hollow thorn]

Jumping the header doesn't turn it on, it'll only tell you settings have been reset after you jump the header, and then turn it on

[honest topaz]

So jumping the header won’t make my pc turn on if it hasn’t been?

[grizzled bloom]

Right. You'll hold your metal item to those pins. 10-15 seconds later, remove it, and press the power button.

[honest topaz]

If it won’t make my pc turn on then why am I doing this?

[grizzled bloom]

It's clearing the settings to try to get it to detect the memory again

[honest topaz]

Ok so I should have my display port plugged into my pc and the power cable?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes

[honest topaz]

Ok

I touched them both for 15 secs and pushed the power button and still nothing

[grizzled bloom]

The power turned on and fans are spinning, but still no signal?

[honest topaz]

I’m using this btw

Spinning

No fans are spinning and nothing is on

No power

[grizzled bloom]

That's no longer a memory issue. It would turn on even if there was no memory installed.

Check your power cables. 24 pin and 8 pin CPU.

[honest topaz]

8 pin is the graphics card 1 right and 24 pin is next to ram right?

[grizzled bloom]

8 pin CPU, top left of the board

[honest topaz]

It’s plugged in

Still no power

@grizzled bloom

Anything else I can do @grizzled bloom

[tidal hound]

have a thinkpad e15 gen 3, looking to get an expansion on it. is an Intel 670p Series M.2 2280 1TB ssd a good fit? i know nearly nothing about laptop parts so any advice is appreciated.

[cursive epoch]

670p is a good pick for a laptop

[dull flint]

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188号 (@momomo_us)

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[sudden creek]

what's the difference between x570 and b550 boards? Also is the R7-5700G overclockable?

[vast meadow]

Not much, generally x570 has more io but generally more expensive and not as good vrms as a b550

Yes all ryzen cpus are overlclockable apart from their athlon chips or something

[sudden creek]

Ahh I see.

[vast meadow]

But as with most ryzen, overclcoking is just optimising pbo good and curve optimizer (not sure if on the g series)

[sudden creek]

by the way, any idea why the 5700g is faster then the i7-10700f in games by about 10-15% even though they have same clock speed and cores?

[vast meadow]

Different architectures and instructions per clock (ipc)

Clockspeed can only be used to compare cpus in the same generation in terms of perf

[sudden creek]

gotcha.

[royal elk]

Yea the 5700g overclocks great

[sudden creek]

I am thinking of using the r7-5700g for a custom laptop project in the future.

[royal elk]

Got mine to draw 140w lol

[sudden creek]

......

Isn't the rated tdp like 65?

[royal elk]

And 15'5-- points in r23 multcore

So like a stock 5800x

[royal elk]

Stock

Overclocking will bump that up

A significant amount

[sudden creek]

I never would've thought double....

[vast meadow]

Power isn't even in the tdp calc on amd

[sudden creek]

AMD Configurable TDP (cTDP)
45-65W?

what does tdp stand for?

Total Drawable Power?

[vast meadow]

Overclocking generally adds a lot of power draw for not much of a perf gain tbh

Total design power iirc

[sudden creek]

true.

[vast meadow]

Thermal not total*

[sudden creek]

Gotcha, thanks.

[stark violet]

seems like the jump to 13400 is not mind blowing

[cerulean wadi]

Of course, just a 12400 + Ecores and 100-200mhz higher.

[cursive epoch]

worth it if you're making a new build

as an upgrade? heck nah

[grizzled bloom]

So a 12600k

[cerulean wadi]

Locked*. -- plus the locked low SA to go w/ it just like 12400 unfortunately.

[grizzled bloom]

Mmm good point

[compact zenith]

Keeping my eyes on cryptocurrency again. After that CA bank got shut down, I figure it's only a matter of time before one of those pillers takes a fall, and I'll be ready to buy another I9 build the moment prices drop again lol.

Built my kids really good systems last year, and sort of went overboard with mine. My wife didn't want one at the time, but after a few months of seeing our systems, she's changed her mind. At least the Steam Decks keeping her busy lol.

[sudden creek]

What's a good motherboard for a R7 5700g under $100?

[vast meadow]

what country?

[grizzled bloom]

Something something B450

It's not a high power chip

[royal elk]

Plus you wouldn't benefit from b550 anyway cause the chip doesn't have pcie 4

And by the time its time to upgrade you might aswell change platforms

[grizzled bloom]

PCIe 4 but yeah

[royal elk]

Mb

Lmao

Started typing out only has pcie 3 and than ended up changing it

[sudden creek]

MX.

So it does have pcie 4?

[royal elk]

No

The cpu does not

[candid mango]

So my ram is being ready at 2133mhz buts it's max is 3600 can someone help me

[royal elk]

Therefor a bored with pcie4 will not make a difference

[royal elk]

Mt/s and you're gonna have to head to the bios

For a sec

[candid mango]

Okay let me get their one sec

[royal elk]

Also what mobo do you have so I have an idea of the bios layout lol

Just the brand

[candid mango]

Asus rog strix

[royal elk]

Oh ight

Head over to ai tweaker

[candid mango]

The one that can handle i9 cpu

Ok

I am their

[royal elk]

Ok click the drop down menu on ai overclock tuner

[candid mango]

Okay

[royal elk]

What options does it give you

[candid mango]

Manual, xmp1 and xmp2

[royal elk]

Click xmp 1

Then save and leave

[candid mango]

Okay

[royal elk]

You should be good

[candid mango]

Should look like this right

[royal elk]

Yep

[candid mango]

Also thank you I tried another server for help and they just called me a idiot and not help

[royal elk]

Lmao all good

Takes time to learn

Let us know if you have any issues

[sudden creek]

Should I get the B450M Prime board for $70 or get the B550 prime for $90?

https://www.amazon.com.mx/Asus-Motherboard-Prime-II-Flashback/dp/B08KH12V25/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_es_MX=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&crid=16VXQUWN0DEIZ&keywords=b450m&qid=1678856521&sprefix=b450m%2Caps%2C162&sr=8-1&th=1

https://www.amazon.com.mx/Asus-Motherboard-AC-Puertos-iluminación/dp/B07VHJ34W7/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_es_MX=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&crid=19M4J46WX7J5O&keywords=b550&qid=1678856842&sprefix=b550%2Caps%2C136&sr=8-1&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.66c34496-0d28-4d73-a0a1-97a8d87ec0b2

or perhaps the DS3H priced at the middle ground?
https://www.amazon.com.mx/Gigabyte-B450M-DS3H-V2/dp/B08KWMXGQW/ref=psdc_9687880011_t3_B07VHJ34W7?th=1

[grizzled bloom]

Is that for the 5700g? B450 is fine. It doesn't have PCIe 4.0 on the CPU so you can't even use the extra features from B550.

[sudden creek]

Now that I think of it yeah your right, considered the b550 for future upgradabillity for my brother but by then I can probably get like a I5-12600+mobo for like $230

Which B450 board do you think is better?

[grizzled bloom]

Anything with flashback, like the one you picked

It's not a high power chip so even the cheap ones with no heatsink would be ok if there's good airflow

[sudden creek]

i forgot to check if the DS3H had flash back.

[sudden creek]

Was considering getting one of those speaker looking cases to do a fun lil M-ATX build.

[grizzled bloom]

DS3H doesn't but the asus does

[sudden creek]

Gotcha so go with the Asus B450M-Prime.

[grizzled bloom]

Yep

[sudden creek]

I will make this build once I finish my current pc. Just waiting on the 7950x3d to release and I will decide if I wanna go with 7950x or 7950x3d depending on price difference.

[grizzled bloom]

I assume you mean release in Mexico because it's out already, and gets about 15% better fps on average (with a few exceptions that are likely bugs from the dual CCD)

[sudden creek]

oh it's out in the US already?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes, it launched the end of last month

[sudden creek]

By the way, anything bad about this board cus that price is tempting.

https://www.amazon.com.mx/Biostar-Valkyrie-Chipset-Socket-Memoria/dp/B0BWPX1DZ6/ref=sr_1_11?__mk_es_MX=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&crid=Z5PEQ0YRB90V&keywords=X670E&qid=1678858490&sprefix=x670e%2Caps%2C115&sr=8-11&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.66c34496-0d28-4d73-a0a1-97a8d87ec0b2

Looks good too.

[grizzled bloom]

There's not much point in getting X670E because no one does dual GPUs these days and all it offers over X670 is a second PCIe 5.0 x16 slot (running at x8)

[sudden creek]

Not even for newer gpus?

Say like an RTX 5090?

[grizzled bloom]

We don't know about the future

[sudden creek]

I plan to keep the board I buy for 2-3 years.

Oh my bad misread your msg.

Thought you said because gpus can't use pcie 5.0 currently.

[grizzled bloom]

I think you missed the point too, DUAL GPU is dead, you'll still get a 5.0 x16 slot on B650E

[sudden creek]

Doesn't X670E also offer 2 gen 5 NVMe slots?

[grizzled bloom]

It can

But so can others

[sudden creek]

oh.

But for that board, are there anything bad about it? Because that's a really good price at least to what I've found.

About 30% cheaper then most X670E and is about the same as most X670.

[grizzled bloom]

I'll have to check into it because Biostar in general is a really bad brand. They're the reason the (first party) 7900 XTX was overheating, they made the coolers.

B650E btw

B650E has the same number of 5.0 lanes as X670E

[sudden creek]

on paper so far the Valkyrie board looks very good.

[grizzled bloom]

OOOOFFFF https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/biostar-x670e-valkyrie-review

2/5

[sudden creek]

?

[sudden creek]

that's weird, it shows it has wifi on the site.

[grizzled bloom]

Ignore that point then, everything else is the same

The overclocking limits in particular, and very poor results (lowest of all tested boards in class) with a 7950X are painful

[sudden creek]

Ahh yeah that's a no go for me then.

Which is sad because I genuinely LOVE THE AESTHETICs.

[grizzled bloom]

The memory support is troublesome too

[sudden creek]

I like clean boards that are fully covered.

One of the main reasons I liked the Kingpin boards.

just me or is there a lack of x670 boards on amazon.com.mx?

[grizzled bloom]

There's kind of a lack of X670 boards in general

[dull flint]

I don't know if you remember the biostar z690 review I posted not too long ago. Totally reminiscent of that lmao

[sudden creek]

the x670 I can find are like only $30 less then the x670e variants....

[dull flint]

Biostar is just in general lacking somehow versus the competition

[grizzled bloom]

In every field too

They're the cheapass brand and they own it

[sudden creek]

Sad because I really liked the look of that board.

Especially at that price.

[dull flint]

Were it me choosing Apex, find a solid b650 or b650e

[grizzled bloom]

B650E should get what you want, extra PCIe 5.0 M.2 slots and everything

[dull flint]

You get 99% of the core am5 experience and worth doing so if it's significantly cheaper

[sudden creek]

what would I lose on a b650e vs x670e? Because I plan to reuse this board for the like 2-3 years.

[dull flint]

Yeah contrary to the marketing, b550 was actually the best am4 platform

By far

B650(E) seems to be a repeat of it

[grizzled bloom]

Depends on the model of board. Chipset capabilities are similar.

[dull flint]

It's just I/O and lanes

[sudden creek]

What do you meant by I/O?

[dull flint]

As far as a capable board they'll overclock mostly the same

IO think like

Usb

[sudden creek]

oh gotcha.

[grizzled bloom]

1 less possible 20Gb USB port for example

[sudden creek]

Need a lot of USBs so that could be problemmatic, will take a look at some b650e boards now those.

[grizzled bloom]

Whether it's even used or not, depends on the model

[dull flint]

As far as I know, avoid all but Asrock and most gigabyte for AM5

If you need a lot of usb

Look up the b650 livemixer

Unironically a decent looking board

[grizzled bloom]

Gigabyte is really good on AM5 because when you set XMP they set other timings as well

[sudden creek]

avoid any non asrock and most of gigabyte boards?

[dull flint]

Asrock is supposedly one of the most solid for am5

Unless you're buying some ridiculously overkill and useless board for OC, go asrock imo

Or msi pro

Or gigabyte aorus

[grizzled bloom]

He is buying the ridiculous extras though

[dull flint]

Not really

Asrock also has that aic to make x670

The meme one

[sudden creek]

this is dumb..... the b650e of the aorus master is more expensive then the x670e variant.

[dull flint]

It's probably better too

Lol

Try aorus elite

[sudden creek]

how?

[dull flint]

That's the entry level

[grizzled bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/vince-mcmahon-money-vince-mcmahon-money-wwe-capitalism-gif-23623669

[sudden creek]

aorus master is the entry level?

[dull flint]

Shouldn't be? Don't they have an elite this gen?

Elite>pro>master

[sudden creek]

Oh okay misread.

Sorry I've had trouble reading lately. I have glaucoma.

[dull flint]

It's ok

I'm strong in my english but I'm totally chill

Lol

[grizzled bloom]

Ok that's straight out of Due Date
Maybe Mexican border patrol will give you some pot

[dull flint]

Lol

Consider x670(e) if you're gonna be running like, raid 0 cards with 4x2tb gen 4 nvme's and thunderbolt cards and 10gbit lan etc

Note that you will sacrifice some gpu performance for this, it's the nature of the beast

[sudden creek]

CBD is legal here just not THC.

[dull flint]

It's just as practical to get sata ssd's/bulk storage or find a good board with some of that in the I/O already

[sudden creek]

I plan to run
1x gen 3 boot drive
2x gen 4 game and storage drives
1x gen 5 work drive

[dull flint]

You could reasonably get that on a b650e I think

[grizzled bloom]

100%

[dull flint]

There are some x670e's that don't even have 4 nvmes

Alternative suggestion

[grizzled bloom]

Yep, it all comes down to what features of the chipset the model uses

[dull flint]

1 gen 4 boot
1 gen 3 game drive
1 gen 5 work drive
2 sata ssd game drives

Use the gen 3 for multiplayer games, sata ssd's for single player

It'll open up your options more and potentially run you cheaper overall

[grizzled bloom]

Put the game drives into a Windows storage space for basically RAID 0, that's what I do

[sudden creek]

gen 3 is fine for boot to me but as games a lot of games I've been playing my drive keeps having freezes when loading new areas.

[dull flint]

Yeah

That's normal no matter what spec you do

[grizzled bloom]

Direct storage is trying to solve that but it's far from wide adoption

[dull flint]

And even then direct storage is not a total fix

It's down to game optimisation

[sudden creek]

Gotcha, will keep that in mind.

..... all these b650 boards look really bad for a display piece.

[dull flint]

If you want mobo armour you must pay up

No way around it

[grizzled bloom]

All that extra metal does come at a cost

[sudden creek]

ooof.

honestly considering the extra price because I want my computer to also be a nice show piece.

Strength & Beauty in one.

[dull flint]

If you're stretching the budget I wouldn't

Function first form second

[sudden creek]

Budget's flexible.

[grizzled bloom]

You have said everything costs more in Mexico, personally I wouldn't push the budget higher for the sake of appearances (that no one but you will see anyway)

[dull flint]

Personally I really like the livemixer boards, they'd look amazing in a hyte y40

Rare case where the pcb looks good without the armour lol

[sudden creek]

I'm using the Fractal Torrent so I am trying to find some good boards with a appearance that compliments it nicely.

[sudden creek]

is that the white board with the black spots?

[dull flint]

No

Put these two together

And look at this dang I/O

[grizzled bloom]

That makes me want the Sonic board and the blue Y60

[sudden creek]

oh never seen that.

[cursive epoch]

sanic pc

gotta go fast

[dull flint]

I have never seen 14 usb on one board like this

[sudden creek]

My options are limited due to MX.

[dull flint]

and 2.5gbit lan

And a bios switch

Like wth that's everything a normie needs

Full pcie slots further down as well for thunderbolt and raid/x670 add in card

To me this is one of the most practical am5 boards

[cursive epoch]

proper board with style

[dull flint]

It's a board for creators

The aero g and proart don't even get close to this

[sudden creek]

If only it had a different aesthetic.

[dull flint]

They have a different one

Z690

Brb

Sorry z790

[grizzled bloom]

Oh nice a second C port

[sudden creek]

I want a clean like gun metal color variant so badly since I have the gray Fractal Torrent.

[dull flint]

Gun metal? Go mortar or proart intel

Those are gun metal

[long geyser]

Does help that 8 of them are 2.0

and none are 3.2.2x2

[sudden creek]

what's the difference between the X670E Tuf and Strix E-F boards?

[dull flint]

Yeah but for audio gear that's better than less at 3.0

[dull flint]

I wouldn't go asus am5

Haven't heard good things

[sudden creek]

what's been happening?

Because the Tuf is at a really tempting price.

nice aesthetic too.

[dull flint]

I've just heard that asrock and gigabyte have had the best bios' so far for AM5 by a mile

[long geyser]

Looks like controllers wont be hecked by too many inputs too cuz okay bit of controllers (note: thanks AssRock for being good with diagrams, unlike other companies).

ReDriver kinda sounds like some software thing or weird splitter rather then an actual controller tho

[sudden creek]

Thought those have smoothed out lately?

[dull flint]

Not that I know of

[grizzled bloom]

Gigabyte is still best for memory on AM5

[sudden creek]

Gigabyte is best for memory oc?

on am5?

[dull flint]

I'd be perfectly happy to recommend a gigglebit board

[grizzled bloom]

No, not OC but XMP sets a few extra timings other boards don't so you get better performance

[dull flint]

Yeah gigabyte does tight expo setups

Relatively speaking

Getting a good 6000 kit working out of the box with slightly tuned ddr5 would be a heck of a free performance boost

[sudden creek]

gotcha.

[dull flint]

@sudden creek
https://a.co/d/ayLoA5P

[long geyser]

So very likely to not be an actual controller. One random redditor mentioned it was just for signal clarity, so who knows for sure ig.

[sudden creek]

Aorus Elite AX vs Aorus Gaming AX

what's the difference?

[dull flint]

Need more pcie slots? Bam
https://a.co/d/8VPKbmD

[dull flint]

I/o easily looks better on the elite

Ooo
https://www.amazon.com.mx/Gigabyte-X670-AORUS-Elite-AX/dp/B0BF7FT26Z/ref=mp_s_a_1_12

[sudden creek]

we were looking at the same one just now.

oh wait the aorus elite doesn't have a pcie 5.0x16 slot?

need to go to sleep now, good night.

[scenic solar]

Would 3600x to 5600x be a good upgrade? I was thinking of selling my 3600x before it gets too old and prices drop too much, is like to get some money and at least keep my pc slightly more hardware updated... What wattage and temperature difference would I get by switching to the 5600x? Will 6 cores be enough for the following years? I'd like to stay with air cooling so please don't recommend chips like the 5700x3D 5800x3D

(separate question: is it normal for an undervolted/overclocked 3700x to be able to run 4.3ghz all cores at 1.200v?)

Cuz it seems a really low voltage for that freq

[cerulean wadi]

1.2v sounds great for 4.3 all-core, yes. 5600(x) isn't a huge upgrade but if it was say a $50 or less net upgrade I say go for it. Longterm a 5700x could be nice too as a cooler 5800x but another $50 or so over a 5600x. Indeed few games even use more 4 cores while 8cores is of course good for various non-gpu stuff.

[grizzled bloom]

You can air cool a 5800X3D. Gaming won't be a huge heat load normally.

[scenic solar]

The 5600x seems like a good upgrade to me too, if I sell the 3600x for 80/90 bucks I'll probably be able to get a used 5600x for 110/120 (else they're 170 new), 5700x is still a bit too expensive and very few used ones available, so I guess I'll stick with the 5600x then, thanks

[eternal helm]

Could look at used 5600 non x

You lose like 2% performance, which isnt even really noticeable, but it may be a good bit cheaper

[scenic solar]

Should I go for G versions of those CPUs? Will the iGpu affect the CPU someway?

Nah, just saw it has less cache so I'll either go 5600/x

Wont there be any problems buying used CPUs, right?

[cerulean wadi]

My cpu & gpu were used.

[vast meadow]

Honestly i wouldn't bother, I'd go 5800x3d (you'd probably need a cooler upgrade) or go 13600k

[vast meadow]

5600g is essentially a 3600 + igpu so no lol

[vast meadow]

Only if the pins are bent

[scenic solar]

I had just seen a benchmark showing it wasn't that far from the 5600 non g... But for me it's not even worth the price as it is not much cheaper than a normal 5600

Same for 5600, it sells for 110-120 used which is the same for the x version. I'll just go for the 5600x then

[scenic solar]

X3d isn't selling as used, only new ones for 300-320€ that's too much, I just want a small upgrade, don't need much more, I guess the x3d can still drop in price and will soon be selling for 200

[amber canopy]

Your email is also showing

[split copper]

Omw to send pato cool emails

[amber canopy]

fax

[scenic solar]

Also I'm not switching to intel as I'd have to change my mobo

[vast meadow]

Yeah ffs i clicked the right picture but discord said no

[amber canopy]

[vast meadow]

[scenic solar]

Talking abt my upgrade, i5 12400 or 12600, as well as 13th gen i5 look like a good option but the motherboard would need to be changed too

12400 not worth it as it performs the same as 5600x

[vast meadow]

13400/12600k is just a 5700x anyway

[scenic solar]

I also discovered i5 12500 is a thing

[scenic solar]

And also more heat = cooler upgrade = nah

[vast meadow]

Yeah there's a 500 every series, it has the 600 gpu but little leas clocks

[scenic solar]

So yeah... 5600x is my choice

[vast meadow]

5700x can be cooled pretty easily

5800x, sweatbox, 5700x easily cool-able

[scenic solar]

Ik but it doesn't perform that much better in game compared to 5600x (the 5700x)

It uses an average of like 5w more

So that's not a problem, the price is, they're still selling 180 used

Still don't get why the 5700x was released 2 years after its successor

• the 5700x will be difficult to cool (using my air cooler) only when all cores are running max freq. It's still 8 cores. My cousin has a 3700x and about the same as my air cooler and the CPU manages to throttle even with 4.3ghz a.c. and a 1.2v undervolt

[vast meadow]

Depends if it's worth it for you i guess

[scenic solar]

5700 G used is 190

So no worth it

I'm only playing games so no heavy workloads, the 5600 should already do its job just fine but for the price I'll go for the x

[amber canopy]

ebay has no good ddr3 rn

[vast meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

[amber canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/sum-smash-twitch-rage-hit-summit-gif-17203524

[candid mango]

need help i dont know why Logitech does this i never did before i fully restarted my computer

[amber canopy]

THEY'RE ALL BUFFERED NOOOOOOOO

[split copper]

https://tenor.com/view/reload-cat-loading-buffering-kitty-gif-17184357

[tawny frigate]

32gb worth from 16gb? Avid gamer and I always have like 37 chrome tabs open.

[grizzled bloom]

We're definitely getting into the time where 32GB is good

I've played several games now that straight up crash with 16GB

[tawny frigate]

Ya i got 16gb years ago

Seems like 32gb is worth for the wiggle room

Especially with even popular AAA games seemingly having poor optimization

[grizzled bloom]

The issue there is they're using DLSS/FSR to make up for their lack of optimizing

It's just plain lazy programming

[tawny frigate]

I don’t understand the technical details

Once my new ssd gets here I’ll start ram shopping. Looks like $100 or so for 2 16gb sticks

[grizzled bloom]

What CPU do you have?

[tawny frigate]

i7-8700

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/ibuypower-gaming-desktop-intel-core-i7-8700-16gb-memory-nvidia-rtx-2070-8gb-1tb-ssd-black-gray/6292002.p?skuId=6292002

I got this. My ssd died tho

Aaaand now i have the PC upgrade itch

[grizzled bloom]

$60 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B092ZCVHS8

It won't run at full speed since you don't have a K processor but it'll still work

And if you did end up upgrading the CPU later that memory would be good for up to about a 12400

[tawny frigate]

Hmm interesting

Seems very inexpensive

[tawny frigate]

Don’t give me any ideas lol

[tawny frigate]

What cpu would be a good upgrade?

Maybe 9900k?

[dull flint]

Between 9900K and 12400 I would easily go 12400

[split copper]

Leave buying the 9900Ks to the hypothetical people who buy 9900Ks

[tawny frigate]

Would the 12400 work with my mobo

[dull flint]

Which mobo

With an 8700 mobo? No it'd need a new one

But like, for the incurred costs of a 9900K (ever so unreasonably priced for god knows why) you could get the mobo and cpu instead and you have something that's just faster

In almost every way

12400F is a godly little cpu for the price you pay

Heck amd's 5600 is too

[tawny frigate]

Seems weird to go from i7 to i5?

[dull flint]

just marketing

you're going from a 6 core to a 6 core

[cursive epoch]

a much faster 6 core at that

[cerulean wadi]

Note 9700K is near 10600K performance in most games, here's another perspective: 12400 hangs w/ a 10700K which is 8core/16thread. amd 3600/3700X just extra comparison. Not to mention, 12400 generally peaks around 70w & avg 40-45w in most games probably. It's the Hynix P31 of cpus almost, lol.

[tawny frigate]

I’m not sure the model of my mobo

But it sounds like I’d def need a new one if I want to upgrade cpu

[cerulean wadi]

Yep. Say if budget was too tight to get 12400+mobo instead of a 9700k/9900k, I would just stick with the 8700 & save more. 12400 is good w/ maybe a $90 mobo. It peaks around 70w barely. 9th gen is 3-4 gen old, we're dependent on used market.

[amber canopy]

it's binning time soon

[split copper]

https://tenor.com/view/goat-ram-punching-bag-revenge-angry-gif-15432826

[amber canopy]

me when the ram no ram

I ram the ram

[split copper]

Based

[amber canopy]

The mystery-meat samsung ddr3 arrived

2gbit pdie 🧐

[scenic solar]

wht tha heck is p die

[amber canopy]

No idea, never seen anyone else talk about it before and I can't find much online

[split copper]

PP die

[tawny frigate]

Ok, about to install my new ssd. I’m comfortable doing it but wondering if there’s any settings in particular I should look out for. Or if matters how I partition it

[amber canopy]

got 2 free sticks of goodies

[honest topaz]

Quick question here, I was wondering how do I know if my motherboard has built in wifi and if it does how do I activate it or is it already activated or what?

[hollow thorn]

If it mentions wifi/ac/ax in the name, it'll have wifi, if you want to check for sure, take a look at the rear io, and look for these

Those are what you plug antennas into, basically all wifi boards will have that on rear io

For activating it, it's just there, plug in the antennas, you might need to download the wifi drivers, and then you're good

[honest topaz]

Ok thx

[honest topaz]

It has atx in the name what does that mean?

[eternal helm]

It's a form factor, basically how big the board is

[hollow thorn]

it's the size

[honest topaz]

Oh ok

I don’t have Wi-Fi ig

Should I buy a wifi adapter?

[eternal helm]

If you want wifi, sure

[honest topaz]

Ok 😂

[eternal helm]

Wouldn't reccomend the USB ones tho

[honest topaz]

Why not?

[eternal helm]

Preferably you get a decent pcie one

[honest topaz]

Ok

[eternal helm]

USB ones just aren't as powerful

If you get some generic ax200 pcie wifi card, it'll work great

Like $30 on amazon

Aslong as you have the room for the card

[vast meadow]

If your board has an m.2 e key slot you can get an ax200 for really cheap
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MMjBD3/intel-ax200-80211abgnacax-m2-e-wi-fi-adapter-ax200ngwgdtk

[scenic solar]

Hey Pato do you know how I could solve my intel ax200 problem I posted a few days ago in #windows-ios ?
I'd be really grateful. I've had this problem for so long and it only got worse over time

[sudden creek]

Does anyone here know what the bios issues I've heard people mention are on the Asus X670E Tuf? Because it's really tempting the price, looks, and specs so long as the bios issues isn't a deal breaker.

[grizzled bloom]

The only issues I'm aware of have been fixed. 4 sticks of memory works a little better than Intel, and memory training time was fixed ages ago.

[odd marsh]

I've been thinking about upgrading my motherboard, what do I need to consider when getting an upgrade. Also my current motherboard is a MSI B450 Tomahawk MAX

[burnt spear]

That mobo is fine for even a 5800x3d

no point in upgrading

[odd marsh]

Ah okay

[sudden creek]

So there would be no issues if I went with Asus?

[grizzled bloom]

afaik yeah

[sudden creek]

If so then great! I like the Tuf X670E board they have a lot plus it's a hella lot cheaper then other options with better specs.

[grizzled bloom]

Unless you're doing a little manual memory tuning I'd still think about a Gigabyte board, since they have the most aggressive XMP tuning that gets free performance

[sudden creek]

I think I will try manual tuning which should also be fun.

also, because gigabyte boards are ridiculously expensive here for similar or worse specs....

[grizzled bloom]

Yep it's really easy too right now, you can just copy the timings from Buildzoid on AHOC for your memory dies

[sudden creek]

Perfect.

Asus it is then.

Thanks for the help.

Oh yeah I think I will try tuning my DDR4 Oloy ram sticks later next week.

[eager spoke]

Anyone know what DCST LUT 0 in BIOS is?

there is a DCST LUT 0 and 1, 2, 3

under cpu

[grizzled bloom]

All I can tell is it relates to some sort of table array. There's very little documentation on it. Probably no reason to touch it.

[eager spoke]

Well thanks👍

i was thinking maybe somthing to do with load line reaction, found absolutely nothing, even checked the manual lol

[eternal helm]

DCST LUT is the color output of the gpu iirc

if you dont have some crazy display where colors need to be super precise, lut 0 is good

[grizzled bloom]

But it's under CPU overclocking settings

[eternal helm]

hmm

thats weird

[grizzled bloom]

It's also very poorly documented lol

[eternal helm]

yeah

im 99% sure its display color space transform look up table

it fits the acronym perfectly and the numbers 0 1 2 3 are somewhat expected

[amber canopy]

🙃

[amber canopy]

11 4GB dimms

lol no

binning

well those are hck0 not bck0

why

sure i guess 🤓

i wouldnt sell it for ebay prices. cheaper.

i mean id sell cheaper

hot

currently have one going for a bath in isopropyl

[dull flint]

[amber canopy]

the haswell chip? no

why would you daily that

like actually dont

https://tenor.com/view/the-division2-hunter-hunter-division2-the-division-goes-hard-gif-26006832

such as

such as

its fine

[amber canopy]

it's just CFR 🗿

not surprising, that bin coulda been anything for the most part

[amber canopy]

I mean, it's decent, just not viable compared to 4gbit MFR or BFR

[amber canopy]

Sure Ill sell you rejects

reject doesnt necessarily mean bad btw

just whatever that isnt the best

[grizzled bloom]

Careful, remember no selling here. Take it to DMs before you even offer selling them.

[amber canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-satoru-gojo-satoru-gif-23751502

[patent rampart]

I have heard about servers having a setting for turning on after AC power loss, do most consumer motherboards have this feature? Google isn't really giving me a straight answer

[vast meadow]

I'm pretty sure I've seen it in my bios yeah

[patent rampart]

I haven't seen it in the bios for my motherboard in my makeshift server, might have to keep looking

Quite annoying when I am not home and the power goes out and I can't do anything til I am home

[cerulean wadi]

Restore (on) AC power loss is the common setting name. Which mobo? Even my z77 has it & was set to stay off for obvious reasons, power would shutoff a 2nd time soon late sometimes. UPS is great now. Already used it twice.

[patent rampart]

asus prime z370 p ii, I might honestly be blind, but I haven't seen it in my bios settings

[cerulean wadi]

If you have it, under APM configuration. Idk which menus. Last asus I had used a pentium 4.

[severe otter]

does anyone know of a motherboard, 13 gen cpu combo that will support sli, i have 3 gtx titan hydro copper

[midnight pollen]

I hope the pc isn't for gaming. SLI is pretty much dead and most games have dropped support for it afaik

[cerulean wadi]

I sense much depreciation.

[patent rampart]

Thanks, turns out I was blind lmao

[cerulean wadi]

Not uncommon. My name on another server:

[patent rampart]

lmao thats funny, thanks again

[high lantern]

I have a i5 3550p and would like to upgrade

[grizzled bloom]

What's your budget, country, and what are you using it for?

[high lantern]

America gaming like 100

[high lantern]

Or should I replace the motherboard and cpu

For more

[grizzled bloom]

You won't get any improvement in gaming just upgrading the CPU

Well, you will, it'll just be going from 20 to 22 fps

[grizzled bloom]

You could do this and jump forward 7 years https://www.ebay.com/itm/225485268449

[high lantern]

My CPU is just slow in general

[high lantern]

Thanks you got any others

[grizzled bloom]

Yes because it's 10 years old

[dull flint]

12th gen boards are the last boards to support SLI afaik

[high lantern]

Ya I knwo

[grizzled bloom]

That's the best deal I can find right now without looking at local places like craigslist and facebook. Everything else is older and/or more expensive.

[heavy hull]

R7 2700x + gigabyte b450m h + 8g pc4 2400T UA2 11

[stark violet]

does not this make the ds3h the only good option being far cheaper then the rest of the stack

[hollow thorn]

I'd pay attention to pro rs and gaming x ax pricing too

[sudden creek]

Just found out I forgot to re-enable XMP on my pc when I had reset my pc about a year ago lmao.

[scenic solar]

I wanted to buy a 5600x, asked the seller and he told me to wait about half a week because he had to get its new cpu first. After I waited well more than a week i asked him and at the end he said he sold it to someone else.
Happens every time, you can't trust anyone anymore

[stark violet]

I am guessing you were always gpu bound to never notice?

[sudden creek]

Still gained about 10-20 extra frames after enabling it.

[sudden creek]

I am gonna transfer my system to a new case tomorrow and I was wondering what I should do about the thermal paste on the cpu currently?
Can I just wipe off whats on it currently with a paper towel?

[dull flint]

ye

just take care the towel doesn't rip

[sudden creek]

Gotcha, so no alcohol needed then?

Was wondering because I am also switching the AIO.

[dull flint]

alcohol would help

isopropyl

but not strictly necessary

I've done plenty repastes without

[sudden creek]

Yeah I am just gonna do this one simple then.

Gonna move my current system into my fractal torrent until all my pc parts arrive for the super-build.

[amber canopy]

https://wccftech.com/intel-super-massive-lga-7529-socket-pictured-ready-for-next-gen-xeon-cpus-with-up-to-132-core-p-cores-512-e-cores/

I know what im dailying

[amber canopy]

@mild jackal ycruncher

[dull flint]

Jesus christ

Intel about to send the biggest middle finger to epyc

[mild jackal]

5 phase vrm lol

[amber canopy]

you can wear my vrm explosion shirt while running ycruncher on it

[royal elk]

512e cores

wtf

😭

[royal elk]

frfr

[formal bolt]

Just did a build and my motherboard is flashing

Cpu,cpu,vga,800T

Im also not getting any video output

Oh not 800t

Boot

[formal bolt]

Just resat cpu, same thing

[eternal turtle]

for us to do anything you need to give us your full specs

[formal bolt]

Ryzen 5 5500
16gb 8x2 corsair vengance ram
512gb ssd
1070ti
B450 A pro max msi motherboard
Stock cooler

[eternal turtle]

have you flashed the bios to the latest version via the bios flashback button?

[formal bolt]

Where would this be located?

[eternal turtle]

do you have a usb flash drive?

[formal bolt]

Found

Yes

[eternal turtle]

do you have a spare computer or laptop you could use?

[formal bolt]

Yes

[eternal turtle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdKKDt3Fgfk okay, follow this guide, he said you dont have to remove any of the hardware, but if it doesnt work for you, take out your hardware, make sure you download the latest bios

[eternal turtle]

is it 32gb?

not the laptop, the usb drive, lol

[formal bolt]

Nopee

[eternal turtle]

how big?

[formal bolt]

8gb

[eternal turtle]

still works, cool

[formal bolt]

Alr so follow that tutorial?

[eternal turtle]

yeah, should be straight forwardfrom there, ping if you need anything

[formal bolt]

Ok thanks

[eternal turtle]

🫡

[formal bolt]

@eternal turtle having issues

At 10:00 in the video

His usb is flashing

Mine flashed like 4 times

Then stopped

[eternal turtle]

is your USB formatted as fat32 like his?

[formal bolt]

Yes

[eternal turtle]

ok, instead of naming the bios file MSI.rom, try leaving it as whatever the default name is in the zipfile instead

rest of the steps the same, just the name is back to the original

[formal bolt]

Question before i do that

He said that you should check compatability chart

For cpu

I did that one shouls i change it to whats newest

Just tried no difference

Ill do the name thing

Did that, 3 blinks like last rime

Time

And my debuglights only has BOOT on now

[eternal turtle]

hm, give me a second

[eternal turtle]

oh, if it only has boot, that means you should be good, do you get a display output?

[formal bolt]

No

[eternal turtle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8MwV-3oWzY

could try this guide, then resetup the USB with the msi.rom naming

@vast meadow you know how to use bios flashback more than me probably what am i doing wrong

[formal bolt]

Alright ill try that

[vast meadow]

If usb is in fat32 format, and the bios file is in the root directory of the usb then idk

[formal bolt]

Should i try a diff usb in case?

Just in case*

[formal bolt]

IT BOOTED

[cerulean wadi]

The rom might need to be caps btw, but idk. Example from a certain mobo

[eternal turtle]

18 minutes late

[cerulean wadi]

Oh well. Flashback is definitely more picky. Reminds me my b660 might have a newer bios now.

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah flashback is super flaky. Sometimes you need to try a dozen times for it to work once, other times it hates a specific USB for unknown reasons.

[eternal turtle]

yeah it doesnt seem like a uhh mature feature

[near gull]

Idk how to search this up, because I don't know what this mobo is called. This is nothing too urgent but I was wondering. Does this have a sort of built in or hidden drive? Because in my old computer I only see two hard drives. And even after looking at this, I can't tell where a drive would be.

[burnt spear]

Hard drives are not on the motherboard

[near gull]

I know.. I'm talking about where the drive that has the boot manager is. I don't see it anywhere

[feral spruce]

Has anyone encountered problems with the new GIGABYTE Aorus Master Z790 motherboard https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813145415?Item=N82E16813145415 simply not working. I have flashed the BIOS, removed everything but the CPU and it still will not function. It cycles the PS and the CPU LED blinks. Perhaps it is a bad 13700K chip, but that seems less likely than the MB. Thoughts anyone?

[limber dragon]

no drive on mobo, but name is right there

D915(variants)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/155431074641

[near gull]

Ah, I couldn't find it when I was searching it

[scenic solar]

Lenovo g505: turns on but no display output anywhere, black screen. I've tried the following things to try get this problem solved: remove CMOS, swap ram, try different slots as well, remove battery, use only AC to power the laptop, try an external monitor,... When I turn it on I can hear hdd spinning, dvd bay works, can feel some heat from the cpu, fan spins but still no video output
Any othe solutions?

Could be a hardware problem maybe... I can feel some heat coming from near the usb ports but I'm not sure if it is coming from the cpu or if it is a short somewhere

[grizzled bloom]

It's possible that the screen or video cable is bad even though it didn't come up on the external display. BIOS and Windows login screens will default to the internal screen.

Maybe try opening/closing the screen a bit. That'll change the tension on the cable.

If Windows is definitely still installed on that drive you can also change the external display mode after a few minutes of waiting for the boot. It's usually FN+F4, and cycles through the modes.

[scenic solar]

Nothing at all, could be the gpu just died because I can't get video output neither on the main screen nor hdmi/vga

[grizzled bloom]

Without setting the display mode either in Windows or with the hotkey the external display would be blank anyway

[scenic solar]

I guess at least something should pop up when it is booting, maybe the Lenovo logo idk...

[grizzled bloom]

Not necessarily, that usually defaults to the primary display

[scenic solar]

Also I can't use the keyboard because the connector broke, but that is not the problem because it has always had this problem

[grizzled bloom]

Well it's sounding like more trouble than it's worth then

[scenic solar]

I could always use a separate keyboard or take some time to repair the connector but I first want it to show a picture or it'd be a waste of time

[grizzled bloom]

You'd need a keyboard with laptop compatible hotkeys to change the display mode

One way or another it's going to cost more than the laptop is worth to fix it

If it's the display, those are basically half the original cost of the laptop

If it's the GPU, then you have to chuck the whole mainboard

[scenic solar]

When I have some more time I'll figure out what is wrong with it, don't really need this laptop for anything, Ill probably leave this project for another day

[quartz zinc]

Does anyone know why my ram is having this issue?

Rgb is just actin wonky

[amber canopy]

Not enough ddr3 bro

[dull flint]

Is that Asus? I've had asus boards do that to me before because of armoury crate

[vast meadow]

Don't you just love Asus

[dull flint]

I wuv asuwus

[vast meadow]

So many wuvs that i want them to get lost

[leaden hinge]

I am saving up right now to upgrade from a z390 gaming plus and i3-9100f, to an AMD Ryzen cpu and b550 AORUS ELITE V2. And I'll also update to a 6700xt later on. (I have an rx570 4gb right now). But I don't know if it's worth it to save up for about 2 months longer to upgrade to the 5800x instead of the 5600x. Which would you suggest?
Please @ me when replying I dont have notifications on.

[cursive epoch]

I wouldn't do those cpus, go Intel if the budget allows

13600K is easily faster than those cpus

[leaden hinge]

What cpu and motherboard would you recommend?

I’m not on a huge budget so I can’t go with newer gens i think

[cursive epoch]

Is this going to be whole new pc?

Or upgrade over existing one

[leaden hinge]

No just upgrading my existing one

[cursive epoch]

Hm, then what's the rest of the specs?

And give me a rough estimate for your budget, if you don't have one set

[leaden hinge]

I currently have an i3-9100f, 16gb of ddr4 3200mhz ram, rx570 4gb on a z390 gaming plus

I’m just looking to have a better experience in games not doing any editing or 3d modeling