cpus-mobo-and-memory

[grizzled bloom]

vs dual

[amber canopy]

Ddr3 >

[vast meadow]

Yeah it's sad but tbf atm am5 is not really any competition

[amber canopy]

(Ddr5 beats 3 either way lmao)

and sometimes d4

2450C7

[grizzled bloom]

[vast meadow]

12400f and 13400f not there tho

[grizzled bloom]

Different price class

[vast meadow]

Exactly why the cost per fps will drop

Plus they can drop ddr4 prices a lot

[grizzled bloom]

That just means Intel wins the low end, the 13500 in question is comparable to the 7600X

[vast meadow]

By grabbing a diff kit

Sure but it's also got 8 more cores

[grizzled bloom]

Those are good for production loads sure

Makes it more comparable to the 7700

[vast meadow]

Even just running discord chrome etc it means that all 6p can actually focus on the game instead of say 5p on the game and 1 on the discord/chrome etc

[grizzled bloom]

That's been shown to be a very small impact

At least on anything with more than 4 cores

[vivid pewter]

Is there a good resouce that explains the difference between all of the AM5 motherboards (b650 vs b650e vs x670 vs x670e)?

[grizzled bloom]

https://www.digitalcitizen.life/x670e-x670-b650e-b650-chipsets/

The most important takeaway is this

And no you shouldn't get B650E just to be guaranteed PCIe 5.0, nothing can use that yet and it won't matter for a very long time

[hollow thorn]

And this might become a thing
https://www.pcgamer.com/asrock-heard-you-like-amd-x670-mobos-so-it-turned-a-b650-into-an-x670-with-an-add-in-card/

[grizzled bloom]

Does that have an actual secondary chipset on it? Wow, I can't picture a use case for that where you wouldn't just... buy X670

[hollow thorn]

It's funny though

[vast meadow]

If thet had a connector that wasn't pcie i would see it making sense but with it taking a pcie slot I don't see the point

[grizzled bloom]

Right? Not to mention then you can't use dual GPU

Which was half the reason for the second chip

[hollow thorn]

They're using pcie + extra connector right now

I wonder if it'll just need another extra connector, whatever that connector is

[rigid condor]

I’ve got a question about ram firstly can intel 12th gen work with 4 sticks of ddr5 and secondly I can’t find the exact ram with the exact timings can I buy ram with similar timing. Mine is 36-36-36-76 and the only ones I could find is 36-36-36-96

[hard leaf]

ddr5 is pretty bad with 4 sticks

[grizzled bloom]

It can technically run 4 sticks but you'll be lucky to run the lowest jedec speed

[hard leaf]

stick to 2 sticks only (no pun intended)

[rigid condor]

I wonder if they even make dummy sticks anymore I just like the look of all 4 slots filled

[dull flint]

V color makes dummy sticks iirc and they guarantee hynix kits too

[split copper]

It would be fun to have some dummy sticks but they probably wouldn't make them for Patriot Viper DDR3 lol

So I guess I'll just have to settle for getting a second kit if I want that 4 stick look 😔😔

[amber canopy]

bought 4 of these for guess how much @dull flint @stiff kraken

[dull flint]

X

X

I like easy ones

$20

[amber canopy]

you think i got all 4 for $20?

[dull flint]

You think I've ever ebay'd ddr3

[amber canopy]

"ebay'd"

[amber canopy]

whats that supposed to mean

[dull flint]

Bruv get hip

[amber canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-gustavo-fring-giancarlo-esposito-explain-yourself-series-gif-17635701

[dull flint]

Who even talk longer these days

[amber canopy]

???

[dull flint]

[amber canopy]

[stiff kraken]

$40?

[amber canopy]

reasonable but nope

do you know what they are

[stiff kraken]

are these the hypers that everyone talks about for ddr3

[amber canopy]

no i dont waste money getting those

[frosty depot]

What would be the best CPU I could put on this mobo? I mean like that the board can handle. I think it's a cheap board, but it currently has a 6500 in it and I was thinking of upping it.
https://us.msi.com/Motherboard/H110M-GAMING/Specification

[vast meadow]

Technical a 7700k it'd probably struggle a bit but iirc it's still 4 cores and will probably cost way to much money to buy

[frosty depot]

I was seeing that the 7700 was only 6% better than the 6700 and is $20 - $30 cheaper on Ebay. The 6700 being $75-$80.

That would be close to 30% perf increase if went for the 6700

[vast meadow]

It's not much better yeah 4th-8th gen intel is kinda stagnation territory

[frosty depot]

yeah, just kinda figuring what I can work with what I have. My girl isn't wanting to throw a whole lot of money into her computer, so I'm just wanting to get it to where I can eek out the best perf.

[vast meadow]

In gaming ?

[frosty depot]

Not sure. I'm just seeing the Passmark info.

[vast meadow]

They have both single and multi core btw so make sure

[frosty depot]

She's currently using a 580, so I figured upgrade cpu as far as I can and then get whatever gpu will fit that cpu.

[vast meadow]

And also the i5's and below used to not have HT whereas the i7s did so that would explain that big of a perf bump

Although even the 6500 should hold up with a 580

[frosty depot]

it is.. ish.

but want to get a better gpu

and I think anything better is going to be bottlenecked by the 6500

Which is why get best cpu for the board I can and then find a gpu that works well with it.

I know.. funky thinking, but I have a fickle woman who dislikes spending money on anything that isn't mcdonalds xD

and no she isn't fat lol

[vast meadow]

No i get it i just don't think it would be worth it over the 6500, imo you'd be better off moving off that socket as the next cpu upgrade

[vivid lynx]

Struggling with what ram to get for my system needs to be 3600mhz 32gb cl18 or cl16, optimised for amd. Any ideas?

[eternal helm]

Any ram that says "optimised for amd" (or Intel) is just a marketing gimmick essentially

[vivid lynx]

Any in particular though

[vast meadow]

What country?

Cuz literally the cheapest they're all basically the same

[vivid lynx]

uk

[amber canopy]

Pato does not like that answer

[vivid lynx]

why 😅

[vast meadow]

Would get this kit
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/Y9QcCJ/kingston-fury-renegade-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl16-memory-kf436c16rb1k232

[vast meadow]

Cuz I'm Irish lol 😅 joke around here to call me British

[vivid lynx]

ahh close enough aha

but thank you

[amber canopy]

Pato (british)

[dull flint]

Pato (English)

(Annexed British Colony)

[amber canopy]

@dull flint @stiff kraken guess what lol

[dull flint]

Pato is in a sublet British land?

[stiff kraken]

this kit does 3200c10?

[amber canopy]

no? why do you ask

[stiff kraken]

you asked me to guess

i don't know anything about it

[amber canopy]

bruh

yea no this does nowhere near that

bbse is just good at lower clocks anyway

[stiff kraken]

how is it

[amber canopy]

in terms of

[stiff kraken]

oc

[amber canopy]

nvm

[vast meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-anime-load-gif-16105577

[dull flint]

What are you gonna do? Annex me?

[vast meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/theres-so-many-different-options-samus-paulicelli-66samus-there-are-a-lot-of-different-choices-there-are-other-alternatives-available-gif-25899617

[vivid lynx]

Just bought it today coming tomorrow 🙌

[vast meadow]

Sweet

[forest jungle]

Does anyone know if there any upgrades to the Socket AM3+ FX-6300 CPU without replacing the motherboard?

[split copper]

You can get an FX-8xxx chip

[forest jungle]

@split copper Thank you, I will look into purchasing one.

[vast meadow]

Nothing worth your money

[split copper]

^^

It might be good to look for a motherboard + CPU combo on eBay or similar

[mild jackal]

Sell it all and buy something new

[burnt spear]

^^

[split copper]

Get something a few generations newer

[mild jackal]

Or used

[burnt spear]

@forest jungle

[split copper]

I got an i5-4460 paired with an Asus Q87M-E board a while ago (full computer case, PSU, HDD) for a really good price

[forest jungle]

copy, thank you all.. I will save up and just get a new rig

[vast meadow]

What kinda budget do you have?

[forest jungle]

I'm not sure for a whole rig. I have a good gpu so I dont have to worry about that.

maybe 1500 bucks

[burnt spear]

What gpu?

I can make you a list

And or pato

[forest jungle]

XFX Radeon RX-580 is the gpu

[burnt spear]

And what do you use the pc for?

[vast meadow]

Oh then absolutely no point using your same motherboard

[forest jungle]

evryday stuff and gaming, pc games, some games like older ones like wow that require more cpu

[burnt spear]

Alright

[vast meadow]

If you wanted to spend that much you're probably better off just getting a whole new pc and selling your current one as is

[burnt spear]

Well, this is an option https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xVKMNc

[forest jungle]

I will definitely consider this and selling what I have. Thank you.

[vast meadow]

Just an fyi on that motherboard you'll need to update the bios through flashback or as gigabyte calls it "q flash"

[forest jungle]

@vast meadowThanks for the tip, I will write that down to remember

[burnt spear]

It's fairly simple, just requires a flash drive

[vast meadow]

Yup but just something to note

[burnt spear]

Anything you'd change on the list pato?

[vast meadow]

I would probably change a bit one sec

[burnt spear]

Kk

[burnt spear]

Do you have a list of the parts in your current pc?

Possibility some parts like the storage and psu could be reused

[vast meadow]

@forest jungle I'd probs do this instead (you could also deff go cheaper if you don't wanna spend that much)
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KgMDH2

This is like a top of the line build

[vast meadow]

Yeah could deff rip some storage from current pc if they wished probs mainly storage and maybe case

[forest jungle]

yeah, most everything on it is new including a 750w power supply that I switched out, I just got unlucky and bought a new old pc and now windows 11 wont install lol

[burnt spear]

What's the model of the psu?

If its good it'd be fine to run a 6950xt on

[forest jungle]

I would have to take it apart and look at it, hang on

[burnt spear]

Aside from that, what case and storage do you have (just whenever you can find out, not in a rush.)

[vast meadow]

Could possibly reuse the psu but chances are it's not great especially in a fx6300 build

(i say this as an old fx6300 owner )

[burnt spear]

They said its a new build, just probably didn't know much about cpus when buying

[vast meadow]

Yeah indeed

[forest jungle]

it came with a horrible psu and I put this one in about a year ago, but cant remember its name

[burnt spear]

Do you by chance remember the brand?

[forest jungle]

No I will have to take it apart. Doesnt seem worth it and I dont have the old one to put back in it. So I will just move forward and buy a new one on that listy

list

[burnt spear]

Kk

[vast meadow]

You just need to take off the back panel for the case or you can search your emails for the receipt but the new list works too

[glass plover]

Should I upgrade a r7 3700X?

[burnt spear]

From what

Also how much is the 3700x

[glass plover]

Sorry I meant a 3700X to a new gen

Like r5 7600 or r7 7700x

[burnt spear]

What mobo do you have

The 5800x3d is as good/beats the 7600x, and might work with your current mobo

But I wouldn't recommend am5 either way

13th gen is much better value

[glass plover]

I think it's a x570 mobo

[cerulean wadi]

Tech Jesus v2.0 here to me

[burnt spear]

I'd check the model

But odds are you'll be fine with a 5800x3d on it

Though you could also wait for am5 x3d

Those are expected to be very good

But that would require a new mobo and ddr5, which is around $140 for 32gb 6000c36

[vast meadow]

I'd wait another gen or 2 personally

Also ryzen 7000 atm sucks cuz boards are too expensive plus you need ddr5 with them

[grizzled bloom]

Or wait less than a month for 7000X3D. Yeah it'll be pricy but we're expecting 7800X3D to be a gaming king, better than a 13900k.

[burnt spear]

My guess is 7800x3d will compete with 14700k whenever 14th gen comes out

[hard leaf]

at this point, prolly mid 2024

meteor leaks point so many delays and failures already

[grizzled bloom]

14th gen isn't looking to good for intel tbh

[hard leaf]

scoring a 13th gen today is one of the best cpu purchase decisions, maybe 7000x3d will change that

[grizzled bloom]

From what I've seen the move to chiplets tiles on 14th gen is causing them a lot of issues. They had to seriously cut core count to keep things stable, I'm talking 8p8e 14900k if we're lucky, possibly 6p.

It's feeling like zen 1 all over again to me except Intel isn't pushing core count like AMD did to compensate.

[wind karma]

Yeah imo if you already have an AM4 mobo 5800x3d is the way to go

[amber canopy]

these might actually my most impressive DDR3 besides my gdie, and I got four of them to bin

and i rarely buy anything kingston

cant wait for them to arrive

[nimble crystal]

Hello, Im not sure if I am in the right spot. I have some questions about some items and was told to come and ask here, a plethera of people who know what they are talking about.

My sons motherboard and or CPU has gone out. He had a ASRock H470M-HVS LGA 1200 Intel H470 SATA 6Gb/s Micro ATX Intel Motherboard and my Computer guy says we need to get the same one as it will be the best chance of transfering everything over without problems and having to buy things like windows and programs again. Problem is the motherboard is backordered and keeps getting pushed back and my computer guy is kinda cheap so I dont know if he is just trying to save me money or if there is a better option and a better motherboard that I could get and not run into the issues he has stated. I dont mind spending the money if the product is good and we can still transfer what was already on there. TIA

[copper solar]

which cpu is it

[nimble crystal]

Intel Core i7-10700F - Core i7 10th Gen Comet Lake 8-Core 2.9 GHz LGA 1200 65W Desktop Processor - BX8070110700F

Sorry

[copper solar]

@nimble crystal if its just a motherboard or cpu problem you can try to replace the motherboard with either H410, H470, Z490, h510, z590, b560 motherboards

windows and programs should transfer overfine once windows re-adjusts itself and installs correct drivers via windows update. might have to check the motheboard manufacture's website for drivers since windows like to use the most stable driver instead of the most updated.

only other problem is that your windows activation key might not transfer over unless you've logged into microsoft account at least once so the key will be tied to the account

[nimble crystal]

Im not sure if it was ever logged into, is that something he would have done when he put the computer together the first time?

[copper solar]

for your reference from cheapest compatible boards.

[copper solar]

well depends on which windows he installed and how he created his account.

if he only did local account it wont be tied. but if he at least logged into microsoft with an email while using it it will usually tie

[nimble crystal]

if I wanted to get the best motherboard that would be compatible and wasnt worried about price, I just wanted performance and reliability, what would you recommend?

[copper solar]

how many sticks of ram are you using

[nimble crystal]

2

windows 10

[copper solar]

10700F isnt an overclocking cpu so a B560 motherboard has plenty of features, Z590 if you want to be fancy but you wont have overclocking because of 10700F

some z590 are cheaper than b560 so thats an option too

just depends on how many usb ports you want usually and memory support for fastest ram

when you want to choose

i recommend using https://pcpartpicker.com/ and clicking build and placing 10700F. filtering by chipset or whatever you need will help with research and finding one that fits you

[nimble crystal]

Sorry to ask, but what is overclocking? Is that desired?

[copper solar]

not required, its only for weirdos who want to push their computer to get a little bit more performance which may or may not shorten lifespan.

[nimble crystal]

lol gotcha

[sudden creek]

Oow so we're weirdos now?

[copper solar]

https://tenor.com/view/hayase-nagatoro-smug-nagatoro-smug-anime-smug-nagatoro-smirk-nagatoro-smile-gif-21711766

[sudden creek]

https://tenor.com/view/scary-bruh-moment-meme-gif-25945554

xD.

[nimble crystal]

lol

So this would be your choice or did I grab the wrong model?

ASRock B560 Pro4 LGA 1200 Intel B560 SATA 6Gb/s ATX Intel Motherboard

And the transferring programs and windows issues wouldnt be there?

[copper solar]

shouldnt be as long as you use the same storage devices and if the windows activation issue i states issue may or maynot happen

[copper solar]

there are z590 boards cheaper than the board you picked.

[cursive epoch]

damn

z ver of that same board is cheap af

[copper solar]

ikr

[nimble crystal]

So forgive my not knowing but is there a performance difference between them? The ASRock Z590 PRO4 is backordered as well and puts me back in that boat

[copper solar]

more features usually, Z > B > H

it doesnt have to be exactly asrock that you can buy

[nimble crystal]

this one is on stock ASRock Z590 STEEL LEGEND LGA 1200 Intel Z590 SATA 6Gb/s ATX Intel Motherboard

Oh, so being the same manufacturer doesnt have a play on transfering the info and making everything smooth when they die?

[copper solar]

doesnt matter

[nimble crystal]

so when they state gaming or extreme is it better for gaming PCs?

[copper solar]

its just words they use to make it look more appealing

10700F doesnt need anything fancy

[nimble crystal]

ok, one more stupid question. Does one of those water coolers work well and make a difference?

[sudden creek]

Do you mean an AIO?

[nimble crystal]

Thank you for being patient with me, I really dont know what im talking about or doing lol

[copper solar]

10700F is only 65W TDP so you could get away with a good air cooler.

[nimble crystal]

yes AIO units

[sudden creek]

But yeah as Theo says, you don't need a AIO.

If you get one it'd really just be for looks or possibly less noise depending on your existing air cooler.

[copper solar]

just have to make sure the cooler can support LGA 1200

[nimble crystal]

ok, sounds like I should walk away from a cooler then lol

[copper solar]

aio cooler yes walk away, find a nice air cooler if you want to replace your existing one

but you're going to need to buy thermal paste if you're going to use your old cooler.

[nimble crystal]

Are you referring to something like this? Thermaltake UX100 5V Motherboard Sync High Airflow Hydraulic Bearing ARGB Lighting CPU Cooler

[copper solar]

That will work but that's like bare minimum, should get something better

[nimble crystal]

Im all for better

what would you recommend?

[copper solar]

All depends on your computer case too and if it will fit a typical tower cooler

[copper solar]

What computer case is it

[nimble crystal]

so he had a mini but I had to switch it because of the video card. I ordered this one, I know its cheap but it should work well

Rosewill PRISM S500 ATX Mid Tower Gaming PC Computer Case, Aura Sync Compatible Dual Ring RGB LED Fans, Top Mount PSU & HDD/SSD, Tempered Glass & Steel

Unless you guys think its junk

[copper solar]

It works if that's what your budget wants. Says it can take 160mm tall coolers

[nimble crystal]

I didnt need to replace the case, I had a straight black one but since I was ordering I got the one with clear side and lights. I know, I dont know what Im doing but it looks better than a straight black case

[copper solar]

True, so you're looking for a cooler with rgb in it?

[nimble crystal]

if possible lol

[copper solar]

Ok, what motherboard did you decide to go with so I know which cooler to pick

[nimble crystal]

this is the one in stock in the 590 series we talked about ASRock Z590 STEEL LEGEND LGA 1200 Intel Z590 SATA 6Gb/s ATX Intel Motherboard

[copper solar]

Cheapest ones

[nimble crystal]

do you have a preference to brands?

[copper solar]

Yeah but they are all non rgb

[wind karma]

^those are all pretty good quality especially for the price

[wind karma]

I can personally reccomend the Thermalright Assassin, have one on my cpu which is 65w as well, though the others in the pic are good too

[nimble crystal]

Sounds good, I will get one of those. Seems a pretty cheap investment to protect other investments in the computer

just curious, you asked about compatibility. Is this one, same brand different model ID-COOLING SE-914-XT ARGB Cooler 131mm Height

Im just looking at ratings and review numbers

Hey thank you everyone that helped me figure things out

[wind karma]

That one looks like it has a 92mm fan instead of the normal 120

It will be shorter but the fan will need to run faster and louder to cool the cpu

[nimble crystal]

so that one wouldnt be a good choice?

[wind karma]

The 214xt would be a better option

[nimble crystal]

thank you, I will get that one

[amber canopy]

@dull flint

[dull flint]

IuuI

IuuI

[eternal helm]

Who sold you that stick?

[amber canopy]

ebay dude

[eternal helm]

Because it's kinda false advertising, I'd return lol

[amber canopy]

2 of them

false advertising?

[eternal helm]

"hyperx is a division of Kingston"

Oh, how the times have changed

L false advertising

[amber canopy]

[eternal helm]

You have HP ram now

[amber canopy]

nah still kingston

[eternal helm]

Nah it's hp now

[amber canopy]

nah its kingston

[eternal helm]

You're just in denial

Bummer

[amber canopy]

its from 2014

kingston

[eternal helm]

Seeth

[amber canopy]

bozo

NO

[eternal helm]

Cope harder

[amber canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/high-kick-neck-fail-gif-21049429

[dull flint]

This my favourite so far cos it's laughing

[amber canopy]

????

[dull flint]

[amber canopy]

im going to bin and overclock your organs

[dull flint]

• Starts running stomach at 2.6v daily *

[amber canopy]

precisely

2.625V set LLC7

[dull flint]

• stomach starts churning 2400 CL12 *

[amber canopy]

Cl12?

Binning reject.

[grizzled bloom]

That's an undervolt, at rest the body is at around 7V and during activity it can be as high as 17V

[dull flint]

• Benches faster than DDR3 anyway *

[amber canopy]

uh huh

[dull flint]

Like you would understand the speed of a stomach anyway

🇱 bozo

Billions of years of RnD

[dull flint]

The fastest transistors are clearly the human ones

[amber canopy]

dem neurons bro

[dull flint]

Highest capacity nand ≈ brain

[amber canopy]

true

[grizzled bloom]

It's estimated that the human brain has an average memory capacity around 2.5PB so we can officially make computers with higher memory capacity than us

[dull flint]

Yeah but Far can't

Basic brain and stomach enjoyer

[amber canopy]

i thought it was like 3 or 6

[amber canopy]

bro my IQ is 28956278945623785623785623857623

(-)

[dull flint]

Imagine 200 years from now and computers are so advanced we don't need to remember anything

And humanities wrinkles fall under threat

[amber canopy]

bruh

[iron nacelle]

if the human body is so advanced, why's it run on so high voltage

must be like like 200nm

[amber canopy]

ikr

bruhurhururhuruhrh

[iron nacelle]

throwa's is like 500nm

foolish hedt lover

[amber canopy]

who the hell calls me throwa

[iron nacelle]

me

[amber canopy]

why

[iron nacelle]

coz i refuse to spell ur entire bane

name

bane lol

[amber canopy]

say far

like everyone else

[iron nacelle]

NO

[amber canopy]

guess what

I have a x99 deluxe and two 5820k's arriving tomorrow

got them for $40

[iron nacelle]

incredible

i have 2 virgin 1620v3 bnib still

[amber canopy]

ew

[iron nacelle]

bought back when they were new

[amber canopy]

why

WHY

[iron nacelle]

idk man

lemme find them

found them

[honest topaz]

Dms

[iron nacelle]

what

[amber canopy]

please organize your things

[honest topaz]

Respond to them

[grizzled bloom]

Depends on where you measure really

[amber canopy]

me brain fits 50PB

[grizzled bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/talos-talosian-star-trem-star-trek-big-head-gif-12496470

[iron nacelle]

i really need to, this is the worst it's ever gotten

[amber canopy]

smh be like me

use your space efficiently

[grizzled bloom]

Speaking of, hey @amber canopy how many ITX X79 boards are there?

[iron nacelle]

my space sucks

[grizzled bloom]

I need to cut the size of my home server down, it's taking up most of my workspace

[iron nacelle]

i wana buy a soldering microscope, lab psu, hot plate and hot air station too

0 room

[amber canopy]

like none except for a crappy chinese board or two

[iron nacelle]

need a big boy L desk for bench/soldering area

[amber canopy]

if youre gonna swap the HW in your server but need super cheap, just go x99/c612. LGA2011 is obsolete at this point

[grizzled bloom]

I was afraid of that, what a about DTX?
I already have the 1650

[amber canopy]

crappy chinese boards only

for x79 anyway

[grizzled bloom]

sigh

I wanted to avoid having to redo my entire setup for this

[amber canopy]

idk if there are non-chinese x99 dtx boards specifically

lol

what case are you using

[grizzled bloom]

The stock HP Z420

[amber canopy]

sell it and buy a z440 tbh

why dont you have a rack

[grizzled bloom]

In an apartment?

[amber canopy]

pfft

make space for one then

[grizzled bloom]

With kids?

[amber canopy]

you have space for a z420 but not a small 24U rack or something

[grizzled bloom]

I'm trying to go DOWN in size not add an entire rack

[grizzled bloom]

That's the point, I don't have room for the Z420

[amber canopy]

well its not worth the money to buy an ITX x99 board so

and case

[grizzled bloom]

Well I still have my old Meshify C lying around, standard ATX could work and I'll still have a much less deep rig

[amber canopy]

Oh, then cant you just move the parts pretty sure the psu and board in the z420 are standard size? idk if the psu cables are long enough though

[grizzled bloom]

Nope everything is proprietary

The power supply is 18 pin, not even 20 lol

[amber canopy]

oh i misremembered then lol

well if you think it's worth it for your use-case to buy X99 then go for it

[dull flint]

I love how it looks like you opened a closet and a pile of xeons fell out

[amber canopy]

lmao it does

ewaste

[dull flint]

What happened to your jjk emoji

[dull flint]

Tbh I'd save them in a folder too cos I'd forget they'd exist 5 minutes later

[amber canopy]

haha funny haha

[iron nacelle]

other way around actually

i was emptying out my closet to make room to put hardware and sort it

and i opened it again and xeons fell INTO it

[iron nacelle]

arnt these from brutoes

[amber canopy]

no those are my images

[iron nacelle]

oh

[amber canopy]

he just used them without telling me

[iron nacelle]

😔

[amber canopy]

he was torching the chip though, i just took the picture

[iron nacelle]

id get it red hot and throw a tower cooler ontop to see what happens

(i burn my hands)

[amber canopy]

lol probably not

[cedar kindle]

I just got a 13600k and an Asrock z690 Extreme. It somehow set the base power to like 260w and the boost to even higher. I was getting like 109°C running a stress test

[dull flint]

109 is way too hot

[cedar kindle]

When they say extreme they really mean it lol

[dull flint]

Keep your limits to 100

[cedar kindle]

I lowered the Tj max to 100 and set the power limits to Intel specs and the stress test didn’t pass 95°C

[dull flint]

Ok good

Extended periods at above 100C you couldn't guarantee the chip wouldn't suffer degradation

It's probably fine but just be wary

[cedar kindle]

The 13600k base power is supposed to be 125w, with turbo it’s supposed to be 181w, so I have no idea why ASRock decided to make the default like 260w

[dull flint]

13600K can actually pull up to 300W

A lot of z690's uncap the power

[cedar kindle]

All the power

Should I bump the wattage back up then?

[dull flint]

Whatever you do just keep tjmax at 100

[cedar kindle]

I’m still getting the rated 5.1Mhz clock speed with lower wattage

I’m kind of glad I ran a stress while looking at temps, otherwise I may have never known

[amber canopy]

Apparently these 2 dimms which i bought over a month or 2 ago are on a really good PCB and i never noticed

[dull flint]

IIWIWIWIWII

[bronze summit]

Hmm hot I like it

Keep me warm

[burnt spear]

I had something similar

Just with 100c instead of 109 lol

And msi z690 a pro

[bronze summit]

My gigabyte z690 ultra mobo seems to run the 5.1ghz and 4.0ghz 24/7 but I only use around 100W-200w watts

But I do have 360 aio so it can keep cool

[burnt spear]

I had to limit my voltage since my mobo was feeding my 13600k too many watts

With a 280mm it now doesn't go over 80c

[bronze summit]

so what is the "core clock"

but everything else is running other numbers

[grizzled bloom]

That's an average of all the cores, then the arrow then reveals individual cores

[limber dragon]

you should be leaving frequencies on auto, otherwise the motherboard will overvolt the cpu based on a voltage/frequency table

[cedar kindle]

By frequencies I meant power; watts. I’m not sure if what I was smoking when I wrote that and put frequencies lol

ASRock was just like “if you give me the power, I’ll use the power”. I don’t think any sane person wants their 13600k to run 260W stock and default max temps of 105°C

[bronze summit]

i do

[grizzled bloom]

This is why things break Kenzie

[amber canopy]

https://wccftech.com/intel-xeon-w9-3495x-56-core-sapphire-rapids-workstation-cpu-spotted-benchmarked/

[dull flint]

wow, close to 5995WX

[vast meadow]

If only that wasn't last gen kekw

At least intel are trying

[dull flint]

I mean it's scaling to the relative performance of AMD's multicore just about, granted this is one bench

server processors have wildly different scaling iirc

[vast meadow]

Yeah

[vast meadow]

Didn't amd announce epyc 7000 tho?

[dull flint]

epyc is up to 9000 now 💀

[burnt spear]

7000's been out for a while iirc

7933 or whatever it is

[dull flint]

if I put two 13900K's in tandem I have better performance

• turns setup into server *

[amber canopy]

🗿

[vast meadow]

Oh naming scheme bad

I confuse

[amber canopy]

intel

[grizzled bloom]

That's probably threadripper you're thinking of

Should be announced later this year

[vast meadow]

Maybe idk

[amber canopy]

https://www.intc.com/news-events/press-releases/detail/1600/intel-reports-fourth-quarter-and-full-year-2022-financial#:~:text=Fourth-quarter revenue was %2414.0,on a non-GAAP basis.&text=Fourth-quarter earnings (loss),non-GAAP EPS was %240.10

[grizzled bloom]

Oh isn't that the quarterly report that said Intel was bleeding money badly in every sector?

Down 30% from last year or whatever

[mild jackal]

Storm peak

[iron nacelle]

omg is that ddr3

(i do not actually care)

[vast meadow]

That's interesting considering they're only real competition is in maybe sff pcs for the low wattage 7000 series and the 5600

[grizzled bloom]

It's not about competition, they're not losing money to AMD since AMD is struggling too, just not as much.

The issue with Intel is they keep spending money like 2023 is 2020 part 3

[vast meadow]

Oh lol just general less demand

Ahh

That'd do it

[iron nacelle]

arc is probably a massive massive money hole atm

[eternal helm]

Maybe for Intel, the fourth time is the charm!

They show try again

Should

[grizzled bloom]

Oh they already effectively canceled Arc

Battlemage will be heavily delayed due to budget cuts and that's probably it

No Celestial

[dull flint]

Apparently they've just eliminated a huge bottleneck regarding Arc performance that'll hit a future driver update so looking forward to seeing it improve tbh

[iron nacelle]

@amber canopy mr throwa, how is the x79 ud7?

1dpc board

seems like an overbuild vrm

nice lil buttons too

can grab one with a 3930k for $75 aud

[amber canopy]

I dont have that board

Its not particularly good. It's just overbuilt in ways that dont really make a different. speaking to the vrms specifically

R4BE >

[amber canopy]

buy it

[iron nacelle]

nah

if it was genuinely good i wouldve but meh

[amber canopy]

it is a good board

just not practical

thats a great price and its a rare board

get it

Id probably buy it off you

[iron nacelle]

im not spicer, i dont want a SOC orange board just coz it's rare

so far all the "rArE" soc stuff ive touched has been awful

[amber canopy]

I appreciate the engineering and unique qualities of high-end boards like that

Thats why I bought the extreme11

also stop leaving hate comments on my insta posts

its annoying

[iron nacelle]

😔

fine

[amber canopy]

ill just block you if you dont lol

[iron nacelle]

wtf

[amber canopy]

???

[agile jolt]

Now that I got a higher end gpu, will a 5600 be good enough to keep up at 1440p?

I got a 6800xt

Was wondering if it's worth the upgrade at this point

[burnt spear]

It will keep up

[agile jolt]

Ah

I see it's pegged at some 6% usage

Unsure why

[burnt spear]

What are you using to report usage

[agile jolt]

Just MSI afterburner

[burnt spear]

Try updating drivers

[agile jolt]

Pretty sure I haven't seen it go past 8% usage

[burnt spear]

Also I had issues using afterburner with my 6800xt

If adrenalin has anywhere to show usage try that

[agile jolt]

Ah

[burnt spear]

Also the way you know that's wrong, even if a 5600 was bottlenecking a 6800xt it wouldn't be hard enough to limit it to 10% usage lol

[agile jolt]

I know lol

Was just wondering it it was worth the upgrade with better hardware

[cerulean wadi]

Use hwinfo64. 1) AB is mainly for nvidia. 2) it's not great at non-gpu info. -- 5600 also plenty for 1440p

[agile jolt]

Afterburner moment

Don't think I play the most CPU intensive games

[burnt spear]

Most games that are cpu focused aren't demanding anyways

[agile jolt]

Tbf my most played game rn is TF2 so I could use a potato with a config

[burnt spear]

Such as valorant and csgo

[agile jolt]

I see

The game I'd think would improve most is like

Hitman or a cod zombies but eh

I see the 5800x3D go down to like

$340 and think about it

[cerulean wadi]

Fomo

[burnt spear]

5800x3d hit $275 the other day

[agile jolt]

Prolly fomo

Don't think I'd benifit much from it yeah

[burnt spear]

I'd 100% look for one used, imo $340 is kinda expensive when 7700x is $300

[agile jolt]

A 5800x is just $235

[burnt spear]

Not worth

Only worthwhile upgrade on the same platform is the x3d

[agile jolt]

I'll wait for the 6700 to sell

I don't think I should go to the next gen yet

Was thinking 5800x3D to Max out the platform CPU wise

Will wait for a better sale

[burnt spear]

I'd definitely consider used

[cerulean wadi]

1 thought of mine is 5600 sold for $100ish could make x3d a much more reasonable swap. Sticking w/ 12400 a while. I don't even like pulling cpu to repaste.

[burnt spear]

You could probably find one around $250

[agile jolt]

Yeah

I check ebay

See a listing for a black ops 3 mini fridge
Immediately click it

Also yeah ebay listings for a 5800x3d aren't much better

eBay moment

I'll probably wait for a better sale on Amazon

[naive pendant]

Ok, which should I go with:

• Asus TUF GAMING Z690-PLUS WIFI D4
• MSI MAG Z690 TOMAHAWK WIFI DDR4
• Asus PRIME Z690-P WIFI D4
• ASRock Z690 Steel Legend WiFi 6E?

Which out of the 4 that you think is better & more of value? Or is there one different that is cheaper & better?

[vast meadow]

depends on the pricing and other options available

[hard leaf]

tomahawk btw is a glorified z690 a-pro

so a-pro is better

tomahawk just some aesthetics that increase price

[vast meadow]

and a slightly better heatsink

[minor mesa]

what the heck even is this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/175170409905

[amber canopy]

Oh, the mutant chips from china

They take mobile CPUs, usually 9th gen, and solder them onto LGA substrates

There's some more to the process but I forget what it is

It's cool

Also needs a bios mod to run

[minor mesa]

that is hilarious

[iron nacelle]

i heard the tomahawk had llc issues while the a pro didnt, not sure how true this is tho

[simple wigeon]

which nvidia graphics card goes well with this cpu at 1440p and 4k?

[cursive epoch]

5800x at $235 is a bad value for new build

if you're upgrading from a 3600 or older however it's fine

if not, just get 13400f+z690 asrock pg riptide

[vast meadow]

Even then 5700x is cheaper, far far easier to cool

[vast meadow]

4070 ti or above if buying new, 3080 ti or above if buying used

[cursive epoch]

oh right

forgot about 5700x

[minor mesa]

why is every single seller on amazon and ebay charging more $$$ for an i9-9900 than msrp of 12-13th gen i9s? i just don't get it.

i thought for sure i could find a 9900 for $200-$300, but nooope.

[hard leaf]

to scam in an "honest" way

not everyone out there is well informed about current gens

you'll be surprised at how much people made their lists using 9th gen and ryzen 3000 cpus

heck even ryzens 2000

[long geyser]

Manufacturers dont really reimburse sellers for depreciation of hardware when newer hardware comes out. So price of old hardware sold as new will typically stay the same. There is also the fact that sellers are just trying to take advantage of consumers such as yourself, as a 9900 isnt worth anywhere near $200+ due to currently released hardware. Such as a new $164 12400F being a far better deal then a $200 9900 (better single threaded perf and basically same multi threaded perf).

[hard leaf]

also most people still thinks than an i9 beats everything, even from newer gens

long gone are the days when the i5, i7 and i9 name convention had a meaningful impact

[long geyser]

Also potentially use to CPU perf stagnation

[burnt spear]

Also 13400f at $210, which all around beats the 9900

[midnight pollen]

same people that browsed the apple store looking at i5 and i7 naming in macs

[minor mesa]

yeah, the only thing is 12/13th gen is mobo and ram upgrade costs as well. i know they're better than 9th gen anything in every way, just trying to be on a budget.lol

[burnt spear]

There are very cheap b660s and it can use ddr4 too

[minor mesa]

that'd be me - i5-12600... with 2133 ddr4 😂

[burnt spear]

3200c16 32gb kit is $65

[vast meadow]

Man i see it in another server im in and I'm like no why are you recommending a 12700k in 2023 or worse a 12900k

Would not get any 12th gen chips other than the 12100f and 12400f nowadays

The 12600k makes 0 sense now

[midnight pollen]

yeah I mean it comes down to the position you are in. if you are getting a new pc or complete overhaul go for something newer. for someone like me where i didn't really want to spend a lot on an upgrade so I just got whatever was the best i could get in my mobo which happened to be a 9900k

[minor mesa]

i chose to spend most of my budget on a 6600xt and 2TB SSD..... maybe my i7-8700k will keep chugging along fine. but i am starting to feel the only 6GB RAM on the 1060

[long geyser]

Maybe they are getting a -$1 12700k idk

[vast meadow]

Yeah except the pcpp says 350$

Lol

Ofc if you where getting one for cheap sure but for new nothing above 12400f is worth it

[long geyser]

It is pretty whack that Intel had no 12400f replacement

[vast meadow]

Yeah personally I'd hold on to the 8700k til you have maybe like 400$ or so to spend

[vast meadow]

I mean 13400f but the thing is they just dropped the pricing of 12400f over time, they have similar msrps

[long geyser]

I guess the same thing sorta happened with 10th to 11th gen iirc. Maybe not, I cant remember now.

[minor mesa]

it did. shortly after 11th gen release, i3-10100 was under $90 at a lot of places

[mystic inlet]

Anyone using gigabyte control center? Wondering if it gives you more options then fusion?

Specifically I have 3 Aorus nvme's, under fusion it shows them all as 1. Wondering if using control center would show them individually and allow rgb options for each one.

[hard leaf]

usually manufacturer programs are bloatware

thru and thru

msi center, armoury crate... you name it

[mystic inlet]

Kind of forced to use it as signal rgb doesn't work on the nvme, to get it to kind of sync with a matching color i have to use fusion

[long geyser]

OpenRGB typically has better support with devices due to being around for longer, being open source, not being a webapp, and having proper support for plugins to do whatever they want rather then be restricted to USB protocols. May have to find a plugin for support tho.

[scenic solar]

It finally arrived 🙂
Just 45€ for 16gb 3200

Why discord keeps changing ":)" to the emoji

[zinc aurora]

🙂

[midnight pollen]

🙂

There is a setting to turn that off somewhere

[burnt spear]

What ghosty said

[iron nacelle]

@amber canopy

green r4e lol

[burnt spear]

7000x3d lineup

[scenic solar]

I NEED TO KNOW W H E R E

[scenic solar]

Why the 7800 so late?

Bru

[vast meadow]

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=how+to+turn+off+auto+emoji+discord+

[amber canopy]

Yea, rage got one of those es rive's

[hard leaf]

this is horrible indeed

the only one worth on april

[vast meadow]

yikes april

[hard leaf]

prices are.... ok

timing is bad

[amber canopy]

9 Formula acquired

40 dollaz

i think this is the most modern motherboard i own LOL

Pretty sure this came out after the x299 OCF so yea

[bronze summit]

Can I have this

It looks nice

[amber canopy]

will you break it

[bronze summit]

I wanna say no bc I learned my lesson

[amber canopy]

alright you can have it for the price of a X79 or X99 Extreme11

[bronze summit]

What the price of that

[amber canopy]

i mean the boards themselves

LOL

[long geyser]

Lol, there are backless x1 PCIe but stupid frontplate stops use of anything other then x1 cards in those slots.

[amber canopy]

dremels are a wonderful thing

[eternal helm]

For sure, will say tho that cheap generic Chinese bits >>>>> Dremel official bits

[plucky ether]

What would be an ideal motherboard for the 7900x3d?

[grizzled bloom]

"Ideal" can mean a lot of things

What exactly do you need? Full ATX? Wifi? Tons of M.2?

[cursive epoch]

everyone wanting x3d these days

[grizzled bloom]

Well yeah, if it's going to be the best you have to expect people to be willing to pay for the best

140MB+ of cache on the CPU is insane, that's more than my first PC had after I upgraded it

[cursive epoch]

right

people also wanted non 3d ones tho

thinking they're "the best"

but 3d ones are definitely the best, and i understand that

[grizzled bloom]

I hope that's not what I think it is

[zinc aurora]

I’m planning on upgrading to am5 and getting the AMD Ryzen 7 7700X Raphael AM5, G. Skill Flare X5 32GB DDR5-6000 Dual Channel, CPU / RAM Combo from micro center. What would be a good motherboard to pair with. In atx and I don’t need it to be wifi

Or should I go with Intel?

[grizzled bloom]

AMD is good right now, especially if you can snag that free ram.

One of these will be good https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/nGKKHx,jN3gXL,zFzhP6,CFzhP6/

Yes the motherboards are more expensive but the free memory offsets that cost

You can grab them in store at microcenter for the same price too it seems

[zinc aurora]

Awesome thank you

[scenic solar]

I have some 3200mhz ram but if my CPU only supports 2666 ram should I downclock it to the max cpu supported speed and try reducing latency?

[cursive epoch]

That would be optimal ya

Not needed but you can easily do that

[scenic solar]

I'm going to need some help cuz I never changed ram timings

I know there are some guides but they're usually a bit complicated and I'd like to know if changing primary timings is enough

[burnt spear]

No

It depends specifically on the cpu and mobo

In cases where the cpu or mobo actually doesn't support 3200mhz, it will automatically clock down

But in most scenarios it saying it supports up to 2666mhz that's purely talking about jedec

Unless you have a b460/h410 or older intel mobo, or maybe a 2000 series amd cpu (and older) 3200mhz will run

[scenic solar]

H310+ 9400f, both mb and CPU support max. 2666 ram

[burnt spear]

Then the ram will run at 2666mhz

You do not need to change anything for that to happen, unless it's a 2133 or 2333 mhz jedec kit

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but if that's the case just enable xmp and it'll run at 2666mhz

[scenic solar]

Ok, I never really checked my actual ram speed in windows so I'll check now but I guess it'll be 2666 then

[burnt spear]

It's physically impossible for it to run at 3200mhz if the cpu and mobo don't allow it

It'll tell you in task manager under memory at the bottom right

[forest jungle]

I got all the parts in and started putting it together and the gpu will not fit any sockets and there is nowhere to install the SSD. Any suggestions?

[scenic solar]

https://youtu.be/EdzZO6WzGQs

How's 3200 better if i5 9400 supports max 2666 ram?

[hard leaf]

you are confusing official support with maximum speed

9th gen have official support up to 2666 mt/s but you can oc past that if the mobo allows it

much like 12th/13th gen officially support up to 3200 mt/s but we are beyond that most of the time

sadly your mobo, an h310 will not allow you to past the supported speed

again, much like an h610 wont allow to run memory higher than 3200 mt/s

[burnt spear]

Everything ravell said

[scenic solar]

Yep, i noticed...
Just read it on a Reddit post

So I'm just "limited" by my h310, guess I'll try changing timings

[vast meadow]

Have you popped the pcie clip down and unscrewed the panels out of the case?
There's a good build guide in #building-and-recc-chat pins if you need help with the small things, the ssd can be put under the white piece of metal above the pcie slot

[forest jungle]

Thanks I will check on that ssd placement. I have removed the screws and put gpu in position but the pins on the gpu and motherboard differ

[vast meadow]

Should be the same, if you're looking at the right slot, would recommend checking this out https://youtu.be/BL4DCEp7blY

[forest jungle]

@vast meadow ty for everything, my issue with the GPS was an error on my part, it all fits

Gpu rather

[vast meadow]

Good to hear

[runic quarry]

anyone know how i could cover my 7900x so thermal paste doesnt get in it?

[grizzled bloom]

Thermal Grizzly AMD Ryzen 7000 CPU Guard https://a.co/d/9oLSvxO

[runic quarry]

have them its not efficient enough

i have liquid metal to be exact

something that completely covers it would be far more efficient

[grizzled bloom]

If you completely covered it then whatever is covering it would interfere with thermal transfer

[runic quarry]

sorry not covering the cpu directly

just the gaps

[runic quarry]

these are like Styrofoam so its not 100% accurate

[grizzled bloom]

Use nail polish

[amber canopy]

you shouldnt be putting enough LM for that to be a problem anyway

you spread the LM before putting on the cooler right

[runic quarry]

you cant really spread it ://

[amber canopy]

yes you can

[runic quarry]

how

[amber canopy]

an ear swab

[grizzled bloom]

https://youtu.be/Vp-NY5x7ymg

[amber canopy]

conductonaut even comes with one

[runic quarry]

used them already

[amber canopy]

then get another one from your bathroom cabinet lol

[runic quarry]

i was looking for a contact frame

i found it now

[amber canopy]

but yea the SMD placement/substrate design on zen 4 is wonky

i dont like it

intel bettar

[runic quarry]

thanks btw

[meager elbow]

what is a good mobo pairing for the i5 13600k

not used for OC

[vast meadow]

ddr4 or ddr5 country and wifi or any other requirements?

[meager elbow]

US, idk if they want ddr5 but i did recommend them get it, and wifi yes
i guess have one for ddr4 and 5 would be best so they can see? not too sure tbh
an additional requirement is that it is black (they are going for a black and orange theme)

[grizzled bloom]

DDR4 actively hurts 13600k performance by between 5-10%, often closer to 10%

And that's with b-die

[meager elbow]

then ddr5 only then lmao

they want both perf and aesthetics which is a hard bargain

[grizzled bloom]

No kidding lol

[vast meadow]

obvious answer https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ggddnQ/asrock-b760m-pg-sonic-wifi-micro-atx-lga1700-motherboard-b760m-pg-sonic-wifi

[meager elbow]

ah yes

i didn't even know they were still making sonic merch type of things lmao

[vast meadow]

in all seriousness
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QJC48d/asrock-b760m-steel-legend-wifi-micro-atx-lga1700-motherboard-b760m-steel-legend-wifi
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wBfnTW/gigabyte-b760m-aorus-elite-ax-micro-atx-lga1700-motherboard-b760m-aorus-elite-ax

and https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8ncG3C/gigabyte-z790-ud-ac-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z790-ud-ac

are the best choices imo

[meager elbow]

lmao thanks

[vast meadow]

i mean the sonic one isnt bad

just a bit of a meme

[meager elbow]

runs games at the speed of sound

[vast meadow]

eggscatly

[fossil fog]

Check this out on @vague haven: MSI MPG Z590 GAMING FORCE LGA 1200 Intel Z590 SATA 6Gb/s ATX Intel Motherboard https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144386?Item=N82E16813144386&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-13-144-386-_-02022023

Anyone know if this is good or not

[eternal helm]

For what CPU?

[fossil fog]

Check this out on @vague haven: Intel Core i5-11400 - Core i5 11th Gen Rocket Lake 6-Core 2.6 GHz LGA 1200 65W Intel UHD Graphics 730 Desktop Processor - BX8070811400 https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i5-11400-core-i5-11th-gen/p/N82E16819118241?Item=N82E16819118241&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-19-118-241-_-02022023

[eternal helm]

Have you already bought that?

[hard leaf]

hope not :S

12/13th gen is way superior and most of the time cheaper

[fossil fog]

Just the motherboard not the cpu

[fossil fog]

I know nothing about these stuff i just decided one day to just build a pc

[eternal helm]

would see if you can cancel/return that board

that generation of cpu isnt great value in todays market

would look towards the direction of 12400(f)/5600 non x

[fossil fog]

And if I can’t? what would be good to settle with i’ll try my best to refund it tho

[hard leaf]

try your best to return it

spending more on that platform will result in more money waste

[eternal helm]

if you are 100% unable to return/cancel, could go 10/11 400f for pure value, lose the igp and save some money over the 11400

[fossil fog]

Okay thank you

[polar gust]

Is getting a x670E worth the extra money over a regular x670 chipset?

Just for gaming and streaming though

[hard leaf]

no

extreme variants are just a gimmick... they come with pcie 5 on both the nvme and the gpu slots

there are no gpus pcie5 ready and the nvmes that are pcie5 are just too expensive and a not needed for a gaming/streaming use

just get a regular b650

[polar gust]

Thought as much, thanks

[hard leaf]

pcie 4.0 on both gpu and nvme are more than enough for a gaming pc

and the amount of pcie lanes on a 670 chip will be largely wasted on a gaming/streaming pc

x670 chip is only worth if you need a lot of nvme slots right now (like an artist/content creator/video editor)

[amber canopy]

lol

[vast meadow]

Can confirm deff an r9

Source:trust me bro

[amber canopy]

I love stupid branded memory like that lol

it's like SLI ram

kinda wish i took these ngl...

[vast meadow]

Lmao

[pliant siren]

is it worth to upgrade a 3900x to a 5800X 3D? have a aorus pro-p b550

i think i can stay on it still. usually do animation stuff

[burnt spear]

What gpu do you have?

[pliant siren]

3080ti

[burnt spear]

If you're gaming, sure

If you're doing multi core loads, no

If you're doing both I'd just do a platform upgrade to the 7900x3d if you can afford it when it comes out

[cursive epoch]

5800x3d for 230 is tempting tho

cheaper than buying another mobo

[vast meadow]

It's 330 no?

[cursive epoch]

oop yeah

it is

even at 330 it's fine, unless if microcenter deal applies to 7000x3d chips

[scenic solar]

Good (maybe) evening everyone
I was wondering what else should I undervolt on my old Dell surface, I've already uv cpu and cache, would it be worth it to undervolt ram and iGpu? Hoping I can get better temps (as the cooler is passive and covers all of the main components) and longer battery life... Rn the cpu throttles if under 90/100% load (or about 4.5-5w), I was also thinking about cutting some holes on the backplate and adding a small fan but that'd be the complicated part.

[grizzled bloom]

Memory only uses between 5-10W, iGPU is pretty low power too but might be worth disabling if you have a dGPU. The most you'd save from both undervolted is about 3W.

[vast meadow]

if you are just concerned about battery life, setting your cpus max power on battery mode in the power plan to about 70% gave me massive power savings

if youre curious on my testing

it was p95 small fft on an i5 8250u

[scenic solar]

How can I limit the TDP, I used TS to undervolt but I don't know if it has an option for that

[scenic solar]

I have no idea where that setting is or there is not

Btw if you need to know my CPU is intel m5y10c

[vast meadow]

change advanced power settings

[scenic solar]

Btw in p95 - small ftts CPU hits 90 in a few seconds and power gets locked to 6w as it goes above that for "too long"

[scenic solar]

I don't have that setting

[vast meadow]

then use a different power plan or create your own or if still not showing up try this https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/why-am-i-missing-the-processor-power-management/f5e30954-1843-464e-838b-015cc21d3ebd

[scenic solar]

Thanks pato
I'll try as soon as I can

[vast meadow]

np

[proven nest]

Hi! So I disassembled my PC so I could finally put in the motherboard standoffs I forgot to put in when I first built it and installed an old HDD from my old laptop.

I tried booting it up but it won't even show me the motherboard splashscreen so I could check the BIOS. I unplugged everything but my keyboard, the monitor, the USB cable that powers the monitor, and even the SATA and power for the old HDD. The thing won't post at all. I even tried reseating the RAM stick. Any other ideas?

[olive elk]

https://www.newegg.ca/kingston-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/0RN-001J-010D7?cm_re=32gb_ram 3600 cl16-_-0RN-001J-010D7-_-Product&Description=32gb ram 3600 cl16

hey this looks like a good deal

but why is so much less than the other ram with same spec?

anything weird with this one?

[dull flint]

Not the greatest price tbh

I'd shoot for about the 90-130 range if you can find it

2x16 is generally a better price

[olive elk]

4x8 is better perf tho no?

[grizzled bloom]

No

It's the same number of banks if you get dual rank sticks

[dull flint]

Depends purely on board but 98% of the time it's worse

[olive elk]

https://www.newegg.ca/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232907?Item=N82E16820232907&Description=32gb ram 3600 cl16&cm_re=32gb_ram 3600 cl16-_-20-232-907-_-Product

so this would be better perf?

[dull flint]

https://www.newegg.ca/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232928

This

[naive pendant]

I'm thinking about going with the Intel Core i5 13400f. Does anyone currently have it? If so, is it any good, how well does it preform for you?

[dull flint]

Ok definitely don't go with 3600 memory then

You'll likely end up in gear 2 not gear 1 which is much slower despite the faster xmp profile

Go with basic 3200 2x16

[olive elk]

who are u talking too? me?

[dull flint]

These

https://www.newegg.ca/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232091

Yes you

No wait

Omg nvm

I thought it was a follow up question

[olive elk]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-one-eyebrow-raised-rock-staring-the-rock-gif-22113367

[dull flint]

It's good but for games barely any better than a 12400f

[naive pendant]

What do u think would be a better option?

That's Intel.

[dull flint]

Don't confine yourself to brand, play by price. The experience between the two are basically the same in a blind test

If you can afford 13400F go for it but just make sure you get a board that's compatible (B660 needs bios flash on the board)

[naive pendant]

Alr

[dull flint]

Ask us if you need help with that

Not all boards have bios flash and some use different names (e.g gigabyte calls it q flash

[olive elk]

https://www.newegg.ca/corsair-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820236596?Description=3600 ram&cm_re=3600_ram-_-20-236-596-_-Product

the other u sent has 20ish$ delivery fee

[dull flint]

vengeance is a bit cringe

a lot of kits have trouble working out of the box

not as prevalent on the 3600 bins but still noteworthy

[olive elk]

trident Z then?

[dull flint]

which cpu is this for

[olive elk]

i5 12k

[dull flint]

do you know how to tune your ram voltages?

[olive elk]

nope

[dull flint]

then this applies

https://www.newegg.ca/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232091

get this kit

3200 xmp's vs 3600 xmp's are barely any difference in speed on intel

you need to get particularly good kits to get a discernible difference at xmp

[olive elk]

ok i just tune voltage?

[dull flint]

if you don't know how to do it then don't worry about it

I'd just get the 3200 kit

want a real speed difference? go ddr5

[olive elk]

if i get 16gb ddr5 its good enough for star citizen?

[dull flint]

32gb minimum for ddr5

[olive elk]

https://www.newegg.ca/corsair-32gb/p/N82E16820236883?Description=ddr5&cm_re=ddr5-_-20-236-883-_-Product

damn ddr5 price lowered a lot lol

[dull flint]

definitely not corsair ddr5, expensive for no reason

[olive elk]

u know any 32gb for same price?

[dull flint]

do you have the mobo yet

[olive elk]

i finished my pc in jan 2022 lol

i want to upgrade my ram

[dull flint]

what ram you have rn?

[olive elk]

wha

welp i said i forgor about that... no ddr5 :(

[dull flint]

so what ram you have rn

give the speed and capacity

I could tell you if it's worth changing lol

[olive elk]

https://www.newegg.ca/ballistix-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820164173

but i bought way less expensive

i want to get 32gb

[dull flint]

OOOOOO

BALLISTIX

[olive elk]

???

[dull flint]

beautiful ram

[olive elk]

its unfindable at good price now

[dull flint]

ok you'll get in trouble if you dodge the filter

just a heads up

[olive elk]

https://tenor.com/view/incomprehensible-rage-rage-cat-angry-red-filter-gif-26249186

[dull flint]

as far as perf goes, the difference between 3600 and 3200 xmp?

it's like, 1%

2%

not worth forking out extra for honestly

it makes sense if you spend a year learning how to tune it to go faster

but not in this case, not with ddr4 at EOL

[grizzled bloom]

Please stop dodging the filter @olive elk

[olive elk]

ye

now i know

[dull flint]

just get this kit https://www.newegg.ca/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232091

it's likely to be something decent, ripjaws are nice

and it's free shipping for sub 100

no concerning history like with vengeance

[grizzled bloom]

I just had to say it too for my own records, makes it easier to search later

[olive elk]

and what does dual rank mean?

[grizzled bloom]

Chips on both sides of the stick

[olive elk]

makes big diff?

[grizzled bloom]

Not really

There's 2 ways to make 16GB sticks.
Use 8Gb chips on both sides.
Use 16Gb chips on one side.

Performance difference is not perceptible by humans

[olive elk]

bruh

[grizzled bloom]

Literally the difference between 100 and 102 FPS in a select few games

[dull flint]

I mean the difference between 3600 and 3200 xmp is not perceptible either

[grizzled bloom]

On Intel yeah

[dull flint]

ye

well in this case it's i5 12600k

[olive elk]

u know what who need 32gb im gonna use a hard drive page file

https://tenor.com/view/fivehead-5head-digibyte-meme-asmongold-gif-19305407

[grizzled bloom]

Nah readyboost drive ftw

[olive elk]

true true, could u make usb key file?

[grizzled bloom]

Yep

[olive elk]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-they-called-me-a-madman-infinity-war-madman-gif-13990981

[limber dragon]

give me 32Gb on half the stick

[vast meadow]

Fclk go brr

[grizzled bloom]

Or 24Gb x6 on two sticks to make a cursed 36GB computer

[dull flint]

i'll fclk u in a second

in a ms

[grizzled bloom]

Make sure to increase his CPU SoC voltage too

[vast meadow]

Brb morphing into a super fast ccd to ccd interconnect

[dull flint]

I can always count on u

🙂

[vast meadow]

Or 24gb dimm from crucial

Get 96gb in there

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah They gave Linus a set of those

[amber canopy]

last time i had a 24GB system was when i was running LGA1366

[olive elk]

doesnt having weird amount of ram like that is bad for performance or something?

[vast meadow]

They seem to be coming out officially too

[grizzled bloom]

Only if the channels aren't balanced

[vast meadow]

Only if it's 1 or 3 sticks (in a dual channel board)

[grizzled bloom]

Most consumer platforms are dual channel, two dimms per channel. Having a 4GB in one channel and 16GB in the other would be bad for performance too

[grizzled bloom]

Right we recently got to see the clock and timings of the Linus Edition DDR5 too, it was 5200 C40 or something

[vast meadow]

Although it's not as bad at least it would have 8gb of dual channel and 12 of single

[vast meadow]

5600 c46

Which is rip