no ak620 for you bro
#cpus-mobo-and-memory
hard leaf
vast meadow
same thing happened when ppl tested 12900k(s)
sudden creek
Haven't watched any reviews yet.
What's the news on the 7950x?
Also, just to double check. They said 2-3 year support on AM5 correct?
grizzled bloom
Also, just to double check. They said 2-3 year support on AM5 correct?
2025+, so 3-4 gens minimum
sudden creek
Oh nice.
Would you say, it'd be worth getting a 670e Mobo then? Buy one good Mobo and use it for a few years.
grizzled bloom
What's the news on the 7950x?
It's crushing the multi core benches and gaming is just a little behind the 5800X3D but still better than 12900KS
grizzled bloom
Would you say, it'd be worth getting a 670e Mobo then? Buy one good Mobo and us...
No point, all the extra E gets you is guaranteed two PCIe slots are gen 5. X670 is plenty, or B650
sudden creek
It's crushing the multi core benches and gaming is just a little behind the 5800...
Do you think it'll be about even performance wise with the 13900K? The 7950x.
sudden creek
No point, all the extra E gets you is guaranteed two PCIe slots are gen 5. X670 ...
Ahh got it.
So X670 gets me one gen 5 and the E gets me at least 2?
grizzled bloom
If you're gaming I'd personally go B650 and 7800X3D
sudden creek
If you're gaming I'd personally go B650 and 7800X3D
Equal mix between workstation and gaming.
grizzled bloom
7950X3D then
sudden creek
Does 3D come out at launch?
grizzled bloom
Nope, it's expected in Q1 so March at the latest
sudden creek
Ahh got it. I will probably get the 7950X and upgrade to that later then depending on how work goes for me.
Oh, does the Arctic f2 have support for AM5?
grizzled bloom
Existing AM4 mounting hardware works on AM5
I'd use the standard AM4 mount point instead of the 3000/5000 offset mount
There was a glowing review from the person accused constantly of being an Intel shill. Jay said it felt more like Intel than Intel does, very snappy and solid platform.
ember pagoda
I find it hilarious that AMD beat itself in gaming benchmarks with an am4 chip 
grizzled bloom
Yeah 5800X3D is looking like a decent investment lol
ember pagoda
that's how you know that chip was ahead of its time lol
grizzled bloom
But that just makes me more excited for Zen 4 3D
grizzled bloom
If 13th gen and AM5 are competitive, then 3D will be so far ahead for gaming nothing else will be worth it
ember pagoda
fr
hard leaf
2025+, so 3-4 gens minimum
not sure about this
2025 is 3 years away, maybe 2 more gens to me
unlike the am4 that was like 6 years
hard leaf
2025 is 3 years away, maybe 2 more gens to me
well 2 years away, this year is almost done
grizzled bloom
That 3-4 gens is including the new gen that hasn't officially launched yet
grizzled bloom
Which is still 3 gens total, more than Intel usually does
hard leaf
yeah 3 gens only, like the same as intel
intel is only 2 gens
not the "future proofing" that everyone says
grizzled bloom
Future proof isn't a real thing anyway
hard leaf
but i do agree on the x3d lineup, not even rpl will match those
but am5 vs raptor lake hmmm oh boy
seems like raptor will kick their azz
am5 barely competes with 12th gen
grizzled bloom
It should be pretty back and forth on the high end, midrange might be interesting with Intel just rebranding old 12th gen parts
hard leaf
thats kinda sad tho
mild jackal
Yeah, these days, whatever high end cpu you get is probably indistinguishable to a normie from others in most gaming use cases and sensible builds
hard leaf
cause the real value will be the 13500 which, in essence, its an alder lake
but i bet the 13600k will crush the 7600x
mild jackal
am5 + 7600x now then the 3d option soon could be a smart play
grizzled bloom
but i bet the 13600k will crush the 7600x
That'll be down to pricing, there's plenty of room for AMD to cut prices but Intel needs to win back their investors
hard leaf
ddr5 is still expensive over ddr4 for a lil more performance
grizzled bloom
platform wise am5 is expensive
They marked things up by about 20-30% as an early adopter tax
The plan is to drop to be more price competitive when Intel announces prices
ember pagoda
wait is raptor lake going to be a new platform?
hard leaf
no
ember pagoda
oh ok good
grizzled bloom
Nope still lga1700 but there is a new chipset if you want it
grizzled bloom
14th gen will be lga1800
hard leaf
for a white build like mine :3
cerulean wadi
Intel sure is gonna win on midrange for a while. $300 7600X vs $400ish for 12600K & mobo, or $300ish setup w/ 1x400. Edit: interesting to get that badass of mobo & not do ddr5.
hard leaf
14th gen will be lga1800
not official tho, some say 1811 or so
or 1830
some odd number like those
grizzled bloom
Well the socket cover says 1800 ๐คทโโ๏ธ
grizzled bloom
They'll probably do something tomorrow as a "don't forget we exist" to coincide with AM5 launch
cerulean wadi
Well the socket cover says 1800 ๐คทโโ๏ธ
In their defense, it doesn't say 1800 specifically. 2nd pic for Rav. Note old old stuff, but still interesting.
vast meadow
Would you say, it'd be worth getting a 670e Mobo then? Buy one good Mobo and us...
Wait to see what 13th gen is like first
hard leaf
yeah all the bechmarks looks ok for the 7000x fmaily but those are vs the 12th gen when the real vs is against tthe 13th gen
if the 13th gen beats the 7000x using ddr4 then it will very easy too see the winner
hard leaf
yeah rpl seems like the perfect balance between gaming and workload performance
need to see those reviews later, 7000x vs rpl, those will be da real sauce
dull flint
I do agree X3D looking like it'll just slap
hard leaf
rn the 5800x3d is still the king on gaming, cheaper platform as well
yeah 7000x3d will slap rpl hard, at least on the gaming scene
dull flint
Ok so look at this objectively
hard leaf
dull flint
You have 7950X some 4-5% faster than a stock 12900KS
Full tune that will probably reverse or match
hard leaf
if not even
dull flint
However RPL looking to deliver 10-20% improvement
grizzled bloom
7950X has a lot more OC headroom than a 12900ks tho
hard leaf
yup exactly my point
dull flint
With 3D v cache giving some 15%?
hard leaf
hmmm
dull flint
RPL also said to scale really well btw
unborn blaze
What time does the new shiny stuff go on sale?
dull flint
I think it's actually going to be close
hard leaf
if you measure it on the very high end, am5 will win
grizzled bloom
With 3D v cache giving some 15%?
It'll be more than 15% though
hard leaf
but on the average joe who upgrades his pc every 4-5 years intel seems more reasonable and cheaper
you dont need ddr5 rn
dull flint
Cos a tuned 12900K/S/F can beat a 5800X3D
Doesn't make it worse, X3D is still really good
grizzled bloom
They've been hyping up that vcache. It's a new gen of cache, and you can overclock still.
dull flint
Like I'm looking at the X3D at microsoft flight sim
I had no idea
Why is it so good lmao
It's like 20-30% better cos of cache over anything else
hard leaf
the 5800x3d will be relevant for a long time
dull flint
They've been hyping up that vcache. It's a new gen of cache, and you can overclo...
It's looking like you'd need exotic cooling for it though
hard leaf
na
dull flint
7950X is a hot boi
dull flint
Like 12900K lol
hard leaf
better cooler more frequency but the temperature will be the same
dull flint
And 12900K you need some pretty beefy stuff
grizzled bloom
Yep they have it set to hit 95 and then stabilize the clocks instead of Intel where it dips hard at tjmax
hard leaf
not like you can chill down that beast anyway
dull flint
Sure, so where does it stop scaling lol
grizzled bloom
Roman already did a scaling video for subzero
dull flint
I've heard the wattage goes well over 400
grizzled bloom
dull flint
Not that it would here but that's interesting considering
grizzled bloom
I've heard the wattage goes well over 400
When you overclock and remove all limits sure
Internal temp sensors even report as low as -43C accurately
dull flint
I genuinely wonder if custom loop becomes a bit more affordable this gen due to the high power of the high end now
grizzled bloom
I'm still going to be getting a custom loop now that I know 100% I can carry the block to the next gen
dull flint
You know I have to agree with that, at least with high end LGA1700 you needed new cooling kit
long geyser
Also now easier to direct die AMD CPUs
Big win there, esp if AMD CPUs are worth it compared to ALD
long geyser
AMD has a bit more zHeight to play with now that IHS is insanely thicc. Might be able to go with increased zHeight for less IHS thickness
idk how that'll effect temps
hard leaf
btw any news about the am5 ilm?
hard leaf
hard leaf
hahahaha
dull flint
Muh cooler
tranquil wolf
looks like it got yeeted lol
hard leaf
yeah i will buy it as well
dull flint
hard leaf
hard leaf
indeed
thats why i deleted the image
need a white one there
ls720 with the white edge 790
dull flint
Oooo
dull flint
dull flint
hard leaf
oh gamer jesus uploaded the 7600x as well
dull flint
Ya he was the first one I watched
hard leaf
yeah cant compete on the mid range anymore
you need a very deep pocket to mount a system for a 7600x... not worth
especially with the 95c boost
even the 7600x will need a strong cooler to support its boosting behavior.... thats a no for me
dull flint
I mean for pure gaming
HUB makes a good point vs 12900K
Then you have all you need for the next am5 iteration
hard leaf
yeah it beat it, but what a cost?
dull flint
Yeah
hard leaf
let face it, the average use who comes around here wont upgrade his/her pc for the next 3 to 5 yearts
dull flint
Meanwhile 13600K is gonna be a value king methinks
hard leaf
you are forgetting about the 13500
dull flint
For the mid range
hard leaf
thats, the value king
dull flint
Ya but new architecture
Man I woke up I'm still stupid for 2 more hours
Bare with me 
hard leaf
intel will win the mid range with the ddr4 support
cheaper overall platform for almost the same, if not better, performance on the mid range
dull flint
I don't like how this looks for RDNA 3 tho
hard leaf
that 95c first, boosting second policy dont look appealing to me
dull flint
Same node, same improvements
hard leaf
yeah it seems pretty grim
dull flint
It's...concerning
Different architecture completely for sure but it would play a role in it
hard leaf
so, for me the plans reamin the same
raptor lake
not going to jump on the ddr5 train
dull flint
Sounds good imo
dull flint
Neos are ok
hard leaf
dull flint
Ballistix?
hard leaf
and heck a can of spray paint for the gpu
hard leaf
Ballistix?
could be if i find some white ones
dull flint
Ballistix be better
dull flint
Yea
hard leaf
ill maybe reach 3700 or something, 4000 is too ludicrous for g1 xD but yeah ballistonks could be cool
ultimately i can pay the price on some news on amazon
hard leaf
hmmmm
dull flint
Or maybe M8B
Can't remember been too long
I know both E's go brrrrr
Ah well, cross that bridge later when we get to it
vast meadow
some oc to 3500 c15 <:weggChefKiss:904600580419387413>
Thats a weak ballistonks oc
Here's my 3200c16 ballistix kit
cerulean wadi
Plus remember ballistix already has a kit at 3600c16 w/ only 1.35v. 
(not saying get it, just an example of ability)
delicate iris
Yall think a R7 5800x3D is an upgrade from the R9 3900xt or more of a sidegrade?
hard leaf
an upgrade thru and thru
on gaming
not sure on workloads, you need to check reviews on google for that
toms hardware is a good point to start
delicate iris
I'm really more interested in gaming in VR but I'm not very impressed by my single core performance
cerulean wadi
A variety of games. Might be expensive, but at least don't need new mobo or ram. 
(got a good aio?) Haha.
delicate iris
I made the mistake of getting the worlds cheapest x570 board
dull flint
delicate iris
Max ram frequency of 3200mhz ๐
cerulean wadi
X3D makes faster ram nearly irrelevant.
dull flint
Eh what
delicate iris
Is it compatible with x570 or just 550?
delicate iris
My ram lights up so it has to be good
cerulean wadi
Just saying X3D even more so doesn't need over 3200.
hard leaf
yup with some much cache memory speed is irrelevant ๐
imagine going cheap memory with the 7000x3d and still kick azz
delicate iris
My cpu has a lot of cache but its so old its like the Pony Express of gaming
hard leaf
well, cache on the x3d doesnt work that way
cerulean wadi
imagine going cheap memory with the 7000x3d and still kick azz
Would still makes fun of someone if they did 4800c20 or such ram. (W/ 7000 series)
delicate iris
I need 7200mhz ddr5 whenever it comes out
delicate iris
Well, time to sell my pc for RAM money
dull flint
Kekw
cerulean wadi
6000c30 or there abouts is solid. Diminishing returns is ez with ddr5, at least talking general gaming.
delicate iris
I wonder if the controllers on the memory add more points of failure to the RAM
dull flint
For anyone curious, Team group 7200C...30??? 32gb on Newegg for $350, sold out
delicate iris
Only 350 not too bad
cerulean wadi
Big meh. Find a $200-250 kit that hits 7000.
delicate iris
What is considered a "good" cas latency
dull flint
Ignore cas latency, it's an almost irrelevant timing
It's the resultant sub timings that stem from it that matter
Even more so on ddr5 it's less relevant especially with xmp
cerulean wadi
10-13ns 1st-word is plenty. 10ns would be 6400c32 for instance. 200mhz:cL1 is an ez way to remember.
dull flint
cerulean wadi
bragging rights 
dull flint
Reddit bragging rights sure
But yeah don't worry about it, focus more on the other timings and the frequency, those are where actual gains happen
cerulean wadi
8000c80 vs 8000c60 vs 8000c40. No doubt the overall bandwidth helps a bit either way. Plus indeed sub-timings.
delicate iris
I wonder how I can look up mine for reddit supremacy
dull flint
Zentimings for amd or asrock timing configurator for intel
delicate iris
I tried hwinfo64 and its in some kind of alien script I can't understand
dull flint
Hwinfo64 yeah does have it
cerulean wadi
ZenTimings is a great simple program. Wish we had an identical one for Intel.
dull flint
Reports ram freq. At half speed due to it being double data rate (DDR)
It'll show some 5 or 6 lines
dull flint
Standard 3200 kit then
delicate iris
Yeah it was pretty cheap tbh lol
dull flint
If you're thinking x3d with that then it's fine
delicate iris
Cool, then I can sell my r9 3900xt for 100 bux on ebay
dull flint
What cooler you usin?
hard leaf
pretty hot
delicate iris
I have a 360mm AIO
delicate iris
I just had the die that presses against the cpu is round not square
dull flint
You mean the coldplate
delicate iris
Ye
hard leaf
coldplay
dull flint
The coldplay
hard leaf
oh yeah
dull flint
hard leaf
kinda good songs
dull flint
I USED TO RULLLLEEEE
hard leaf
not much tho
dull flint
THE WORLD
dull flint
I just had the die that presses against the cpu is round not square
So this tells me it's probably asetek or apaltek iirc
So it's fine whatever it is
delicate iris
Is an old Cooler Master one that came with the case
delicate iris
When I upgrade my cpu I can finally take full advantage of my gpu I hope
dull flint
Gpu is?
delicate iris
3070ti
delicate iris
the vr headsets have some wacky per eye resolution set to like 2122x2160 per eye or something like that
i usually do pancake gaming at 1440p
dull flint
VR doesn't use typical resos
1440p it should be a gpu bottleneck
At least with most current games
Are you checking the utilisation with something?
delicate iris
i just use the GeForce experience performance overlay
dull flint
And it's saying less than like, 95%?
delicate iris
it doesn'
long geyser
VR is kinda important to have a decent "gaming" CPU tho. Brain is much more sensitive to frame drops
dull flint
True
delicate iris
it doesn't stay constant and bounces around a lot
the utilization, then i get some really wierd audio glitches for a couple seconds
delicate iris
nope, ive gone through a few different driver versions though and all have the same issue.
dull flint
!ddu
devout mothBOT
DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU
dull flint
Worth a try, it can fix some weirdness
I do agree with Hay that the X3D will def help with vr
delicate iris
i wonder if pre rendered frames on the CPU is a bad setting to have ticked on for VR
dull flint
I'm not sure tbh
long geyser
It's a balance between higher averages and more consistent frame times. More prerendered frames gives higher averages with worse consistency iirc.
Maybe other way around. Can't remember
delicate iris
shows in the performance graph for the headset that its like 2.1 ms avg but still stutters like mad xD
compact zenith
20 minutes ago, was activating my security cameras to make sure they all sync with the new motherboard. It's a pain, because I have to unplug them and hook directly to Ethernet cables to learn the new system. Programmed them all this morning, got them up and only recently, synched them to my new system. First one to activate is in front of my house, and you can see 6 or 7 raccoons tearing into what at first I thought was my neighbors garbage. Then a notice shows up my fresh delivery was dropped off. Raccoons weren't tearing up a neighbors garbage, they were tearing up my family's groceries the Amazon driver left on the sidewalk. I zeroed out the $20 tip, and found it funny how the guy actually took the delivery picture showing he didn't bring order to house, leaving it on sidewalk. Raccoons tore all bags open, but amazingly, only tore into 3 frozen dinners, and left all else alone.
Put cat food out so we could at least save groceries.
Image is from phone. Trying to get new system to do stills.
Changed my mind of having NVME only system
Some utilities didn't like running off NVME.
I love this Aorus Z690 master I9. Cold boot up right into Windows
frosty depot
Some utilities didn't like running off NVME.
Like what?
I don't see how it matters which storage you use.. if anything, wouldn't NVME be better in all cases?
compact zenith
Some games that constantly read and write, struggle with the NVME and data corrupts. Those I have to put to spindle.
Meaning I move the save folder to a spindle drive, while the NVME runs the game and server
grizzled bloom
Some games that constantly read and write, struggle with the NVME and data corru...
That sounds more like a bad controller, I've never once had an issue like this
compact zenith
Bad controller? I'll try the same beta on my kids PCs tomorrow and see if it repeats.
grizzled bloom
Yeah the random read/write performance is pretty stable usually, which is what matters for games
What games do you have problems with? I'll install on my nvme and see if it has similar issues
dull flint
Tmw you have a 5700X in your laptop
grizzled bloom
Hey still pretty close to first gen threadripper
grizzled bloom
Now it's just the gpu to worry about
dull flint
GPU is good enough tbh
I could maybe try a few things for 100 more points for top 100 but it's hella fast for 3060
This is essentially a 5700X/3060/32gb desktop. This laptop is astoundingly good
hollow thorn
Anyways, in basically every metric NVMe should be better than plain old HDD outside of price
Especially now after backblaze data is starting to tell us SSDs are more reliable long term
grizzled bloom
Oh yeah those backblaze results are very enlightening as usual, good to know that nvme is so much more reliable even long term
hollow thorn
Also, something fun to think about, nand itself is usually not the limiting factor in terms of SSD endurance, typical tlc cell rated for like 1500-3000 p/e cycles, which means you can write the capacity of the entire drive 1500-3000 times, i.e. 1500-3000tbw on a 1tb drive while only considering nand endurance
And that's usually just not doable on HDDs
dull flint
YEET
Right in the middle of these now
Lol
Hm, 7600X uses 110W versus this using 80W.
compact zenith
What games do you have problems with? I'll install on my nvme and see if it has ...
You can't, these are pre alpha. I can't discuss any portion but I am going to try some titles that write constantly to see if it repeats. As for Stability, I'm no so sure. For some reason, when I have Sabient rockets plugged into any Aorus, Z390 and Z690, computer blue screens with Z390 and Z690 windows installation halts, saying it can't install. No clue why either. Doesn't happen with the Kingston Fury 2TB. Forgot who told me the other day, to remove the rockets, but did and systems no longer have issues.
compact zenith
I'm going to be needing some Advil soon, if I keep staring at that above meme.
scenic solar
Does running a nvme SSD trought chipset reduce speeds? SSD: nv1 2100MB/s & 1700MB/s.
Reason for chipset-ssd: ran out of CPU PCIe lanes
compact zenith
I have NVME Kingston Fury NVMEs. I bought a second one because when I was running a UO server off the cheap, and Minecraft off the fury, I hit lag spikes.
That's with my Z390
My Z690, will only get the best. Sort of like putting cheap gas in a Porsche.
scenic solar
guys what's better: 2x8gb 2400c14 or 1x16gb 3200mhz?
burnt spear
Both are terrible but 2400c16
hollow thorn
Does running a nvme SSD trought chipset reduce speeds? SSD: nv1 2100MB/s & 1700M...
No, only technically a few ns higher latency
scenic solar
No, only *technically* a few ns higher latency
Actually I didn't specify, 3200c19
So 2400is better anyways
hollow thorn
2x8 over 1x16 any day
scenic solar
Okk
scenic solar
2x8 over 1x16 any day
Do you also know if nvme trought chipset reduces speeds?
scenic solar
I guess not since the interface for the chipset is 4x lanes
(Only one pcie device)
Oh sorry I didn't notice he answered
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hollow thorn
............
hard leaf
chill pal, its still morning ๐
hollow thorn
I replied
scenic solar
scenic solar
Ah
Oh god I'm stupid
I thought you responded to my Ram question
hard leaf
well to be fair he answered both of your questions
btw... 1 stick on ram? really? on ddr4?
scenic solar
I just had a spare one for testing but never used it
So I'll sell it, found a deal for 2*8 2400 35โฌ
scenic solar
Yeah but I'm going to use a mobo that doesn't support more than 2993
hard leaf
trying to flip that pc?
scenic solar
Probably 2400+ OC I'll get an easy 2993mhz clock
hard leaf
oh your mini itx project right
scenic solar
I got basically everything, need a 1tb SATA SSD and the sfx psu
Today I got the 9400f
(And i already dropped it trying to rip off the package)
My first intel CPU 
hard leaf
welp, 7600x still on stock? whats happening? where are my scalpers?
scenic solar
WHERE
wehere do i buy It
We still don't have anything in eu
I want hot smol CPU
hard leaf
dunno in your contry
im looking at them on egg us
the full platform itself is expensive, but not that expensive as i thought
scenic solar
Aaaah
I checked 5 hours ago and there was nothing on wegg
Ooooh
MSRP!!!
I feel like 7600x will be the best of them all
Easily beats a 5800x and Costas almost the same (MSRP)
scenic solar
๐
hard leaf
I feel like 7600x will be the best of them all
Easily beats a 5800x and Costas a...
ofc it will beat it.... it must, you are comparing tech from 3 years ago
scenic solar
I'd also go for 13th gen, it seems more promising
hard leaf
you can use the same 690s
upper aspen
amazing, are there gonna be new mobos? not sure if they make new ones if the socket is the same
scenic solar
I guess z790 will be much better also for DDR5 compatibility
hard leaf
amazing, are there gonna be new mobos? not sure if they make new ones if the soc...
beauty
this will be the one for me
upper aspen
MSI Z790 GODLIKE
scenic solar
Some z690 have problems with ram freq and can't pass 6000mhz
hard leaf
yeah but not happening on these boards
these are consumer grade boards
you are talking about enthusiast level boards
scenic solar
I had to post new ryzens on tech deals
scenic solar
MSRP
Before they get higher prices
(If they do)
Nvm I'll post here
New 7000 series out (MSRP)
https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-5-7600x-ryzen-5-7000-series/p/N82E16819113770?itemPosition=1-12&exactIndex=8&isPLP=true
7600x
https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-7-7700x-ryzen-7-7000-series/p/N82E16819113768
7700x
https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-9-7900x-ryzen-9-7000-series/p/N82E16819113769
7900x
I feel like there will be a lot of confusion when 7000 GPUs come out, people will probably mistake CPUs and GPUs since AMD likes to use almost identical numbers for their products
scenic solar
The gpus are xt
Yeah
I guess that's why AMD stopped doing xt CPUs, so you should not confuse them
scenic solar
I was thinking in making 3600x 3060ti build
The numbers looked so good
silver turret
7900x 7900xt build
scenic solar
If possible you could go 12th gen b660
It's worth more in most cases
12400 easily beats 5600x, and you can find it for a good price
long geyser
R5 3600x with 36GB of RAM (2x16GB + 1x4GB DIMM) at 3600-36-36-36-36-36 with a 3.6TB SSD (4TB with 3.6TB partition) with a 3060Ti with a 360w PSU
silver turret
12400 easily beats 5600x, and you can find it for a good price
how
scenic solar
Well I mean... That's facts. 12400 is simply better
silver turret
i will see
scenic solar
12400(f) for 170$ & 5600x for 199$, you should switch to intel
silver turret
ty
silver turret
12400(f) for 170$ & 5600x for 199$, you should switch to intel
i am geting the 5600 not 5600x
silver turret
14785
silver turret
rupee
scenic solar
Oh ok
silver turret
5600 =14785, i5 12400f = 15,500
scenic solar
Just go for intel, really worth it if it's just ~1000 more
burnt spear
12400 easily beats 5600x, and you can find it for a good price
I mean not really
It's very close
In most cases its irrelevant
burnt spear
i am over buget ๐
You could go cheaper on motherboard for sure
silver turret
i need wifi
burnt spear
Just get the cheapest b550 that includes it
silver turret
and bluetooth
burnt spear
For psu, get whatever 650 A or B tier psu you find
Pinned list in #cases-psu-and-cooling
Can always get a cheap b550 and use a USB wifi and Bluetooth adapter
silver turret
Can always get a cheap b550 and use a USB wifi and Bluetooth adapter
wifi 6?
burnt spear
Mhm
scenic solar
It's very close
Oooh
My bad
I was looking at 12400f Vs 5600x benchmark and I found a 5600 (non X) thinking it was a 5600x comparison
Yeah... They're pretty close
burnt spear
5600, 5600x, and 12400/f are all very close
scenic solar
They could still go b660...?
burnt spear
So close it's near irrelevant, whatever is cheapest is best
silver turret
So close it's near irrelevant, whatever is cheapest is best
is the ASUS TUF Gaming 650W good?
burnt spear
Yes
silver turret
ok
velvet sigil
Iโm trying to get the call of duty plus bundle with the i7-12700kf but the free gift is out of stock, anyone have any idea when it will be back in stock? The promotion supposedly is running until December 31st
hard leaf
usually those promos ran until "while supply last", then they are gone for good
upper aspen
upper aspen
Not sure how legit it is though
hard leaf
i was looking at the kf ones
most leaks point at the same scenario
10% more expensive than 12th gen
13600k at 330 and 13700k at 450
hard leaf
probably
but not at launch
intel already announced only the k and kf skus will be out
velvet sigil
Damn, not sure how you can run out of a digital code, also weird how on Newegg the listing for the promo says in stock but then the free gift says itโs out of stock
hard leaf
because the publisher (activision) only give a handful of keys, in this case to intel
yeah ofc they can make more, theyre digital
but it is what it is
intel ran out of keys already
velvet sigil
Well i guess Iโll just wait and see if it comes back, when I talked to Newegg support they said it will probably be back soon, but they donโt know when
velvet sigil
Unless Newegg has to request more from Intel
hard leaf
no
becasue newegg doesnt hand the keys
is intel
you buy the cpu and then you register the cpu on intel webpage most likely and they send you a code to redeem
velvet sigil
Newegg gives the master keys that you use on intelโs site to get the keys
hard leaf
newegg have nothing to do there
velvet sigil
Itโs not just registering the cpu with this bundle, when you get it they give you a master key that you use on a promo page on intelโs website
hard leaf
maybe you are right, maybe i am, we dont know... in any case most of those promos once they ran out they are gone for good
on intel page
just so you know
velvet sigil
I guess weโll just have to see, I just doubt that Intel would make a promotion that lasts until December 31st and only get enough to last until September 27th
velvet sigil
True, but they want to push more cpus, so they would want to have more than they need rather than less
hard leaf
it is what it is
well you can only hope now, maybe intel will request more keys... maybe not
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
hard leaf
True, but they want to push more cpus, so they would want to have more than they...
in fact they dont need to push more cpus ๐ they are selling well and some of the alder lake skus will be rebranded to raptor lake(or so the rumors says).... im more inclined to think that activision was the one who handed keys to intel to promo the game as a sort of advertising for activision instead of intel
now that the game is on open beta maybe activision wont need to hand free keys anymore
velvet sigil
I would think it would be more likely that intel is trying to drain some stock of their 12th gen to make way for the release of raptor lake
Activision has never had any trouble with call of duty sales
hard leaf
no becasue that stock will be rebranded
velvet sigil
Or theyโre trying to incentivize people getting a 12th gen cpu instead of a new ryzen 7000 cpu
hard leaf
hardly think that as well, they are confident that raptor lake will beat am5
intel is on a very good spot rn
theyre not like nvidia
velvet sigil
Maybe, but it would be pretty embarrassing to run a promo that runs out 2 months before the set end date
hard leaf
nvidia is well in the mud
seems to me that you never saw a promo like that before
if the supply last 1 week then its gone
even if they advertise for a whole year
velvet sigil
Iโve seen many promos like this before, and Iโve commonly seen them go past their set date
hard leaf
thats when their products are nto selling
probably intel sold too much cpus that the stock ran dry pretty fast
velvet sigil
I would also guess that if they ran out of their supply their website would say so
hard leaf
i remember that the doom promo on the 30 series ran beyond the supposedly end date, that could give you an idea
maybe nvidia sold too much gpus so they requested more codes? who knows?
velvet sigil
I remember the Intel avengers promo for 10th gen ran forever
The nvidia Spider-Man promo has been going for a while
hard leaf
yeah because no one is buying 30 series gpus
the doom promo failed
so they switched to spiderman
no dice
velvet sigil
Oh thatโs where youโre wrong, a lot of people are buying 30 series
hard leaf
hmmm that not what the quarter earnings for nvidia says
velvet sigil
There was definitely an increase in 30 series when the prices for 40 series were announced, itโs kind of ridiculous
hollow thorn
What we know for sure is that Nvidia q2 earnings was down 19%, and projected to be down another 12% for q3
velvet sigil
Well of course itโs gonna go down, itโs going back to normal after the mining crash
hollow thorn
Considering things are staying in stock and the promo is still ongoing, they're probably selling a lot less GPUs
hollow thorn
Well of course itโs gonna go down, itโs going back to normal after the mining cr...
There's also the whole EVGA leaving thing, aib partners are forced to sell at a loss because they have too much stock
velvet sigil
They have too much stock not because they arenโt selling as much as normal, but because they ordered much more than usual because of the mining boom
hollow thorn
Sure GPUs are selling but nowhere near the numbers beforehand
velvet sigil
They arenโt having trouble moving inventory they just are going back to the previous numbers
hard leaf
Well of course itโs gonna go down, itโs going back to normal after the mining cr...
wut?
are you aware that the used market is progressively flood with used gpus from miners right... that hurts the new cards sales
velvet sigil
Yes it hurts new card sales but itโs not like they arenโt moving cards
hollow thorn
They arenโt having trouble moving inventory they just are going back to the prev...
We're actually dropping to a point where we're probably going to be at the lowest point since 2019
hard leaf
now with amd poised to strike and the reduction in msrp for 6000 series card not to mention the loss of the cypto market i doubt nvidia will be "back to the previous numbers"
but ok
hollow thorn
But anyways we're down a lot in GPU sales
velvet sigil
Youโre aware thatโs a chart for discrete graphics cards right?
hollow thorn
And?
hollow thorn
Youโre aware thatโs a chart for discrete graphics cards right?
From the same source:
"Overall GPU unit shipments decreased by -14.9% from last quarter. AMDโs shipments decreased by -7.6%, Intelโs shipments decreased by -9.8%, and Nvidiaโs shipments decreased by -25.7%."
velvet sigil
Iโm not able to send a picture of a chart with gaming sales on it but it looks significantly different
hollow thorn
Iโm not able to send a picture of a chart with gaming sales on it but it looks s...
Dm me then
velvet sigil
Looking at other listings on Newegg they still have the promo in stock for other items so I assume there was a large amount of orders for the cpus and they ran out of master keys for them and have to wait for more
hard leaf
yeah for other items that are not intel
velvet sigil
For other items that are intel
velvet sigil
Anything with an intel i7-i9 gets the deal
So prebuilts or laptops with intel cpus get it too
cerulean wadi
I'm still wondering what "gaming sales" was gonna refer to and show. 
- plus, obviously "shipments" isn't outright sales anyways.
hard leaf
the mw2 intel days promo
velvet sigil
im guessing those arent up to date
Iโm pretty sure itโs because they have a different page for the promo for cpus and PCs and they only have a limited amount at a time
hard leaf
im pretty sure, 100% that the codes are handed from intel itself, not newegg, and those aren't updated yet
and intel ran out already of promo codes
cerulean wadi
Mwii beta was pretty fun. Ran good on my pc. Didn't feel all that special though, and TTK is very fast. Back shot = almost guaranteed death. Some killstreaks are impossible to try obviously unless you're really good so that's sometimes a bummer. The highest streaks are also annoying though, lol.
hard leaf
could be wrong, but thats what i think
velvet sigil
The codes are handed out by Intel yes but the way they are received depends on another code
hard leaf
amazon as example, dont have any promo as well
velvet sigil
The way the promo works is when you get the product it includes a master key, and that master key is then entered into the Intel promo site, then you have to do a survey, and then they give you the game code
hard leaf
to me it seems that the promo ended cause stock on intel side ran dry
again, i hope you are right and im wrong
velvet sigil
I could try waybacking the Newegg link and seeing if itโs gone out of stock before I guess
Nevermind the page wasnโt archived
velvet sigil
They have a different page that corresponds to what product itโs bought with
Probably because of some limitation in their system
hard leaf
most like they need to update the page
tend to happen a lot
a product ran of stock but they are slow to update the page
velvet sigil
If I bring it to checkout it lets me check it out
hard leaf
you cant
the system automatically drop it
no stock
the system works
the webpage need to be manually updated
happens a lot
on many products
hard leaf
well, maybe the codes for the prebuilts are still on stock
but the promos for the cpus alone dont
that tells you that those prebuilds arent seeling as fast as the cpus
velvet sigil
Theyโre the same master keys itโs just how they allocate them
hard leaf
dont think that will happen
they want to sell the prebuilts more than the cpus
no point on killing a promo bundle on them, abs is the in-house brand of newegg
they can bundle the promo on their prebuilts until the end of the promo if they want
velvet sigil
I guess weโll see, but I think itโs probably just that they ran out of master keys for the day, they donโt get them all at once they probably get a set amount per day
hard leaf
but the codes for the cpus are gone for good
ehhh no, thats not how that work
they get a fixed number of promo codes for each product
if they ran out, they ran out and thats it
velvet sigil
It is for other sites
velvet sigil
if they ran out, they ran out and thats it
And Newegg is allocated a fixed number of master keys created by intel that are then used to access those keys provided by activision
hard leaf
intel bundled a key for every cpu on that batch
lets say 100k cpus for newegg
newegg allocated 60k cpus for stand alone sale, and 40k on their in-house prebuilts (made numbers btw)
they sold the 60k cpus, those promos codes are gone
now the 40k remaining still have keys, but they are bundled inside their prebuilts, as long as the prebuilts are still on newegg, the promos will be there along with the pcs
thats how it works
same thing on the laptops, every intel laptop contain an intel cpu with a promo code. as long as those laptops are on the shelf they will have their promo code
they will not rip a promo code from one product to feed another
that not how that work
once those laptops are sold with those intel cpus, then the promo will be gone from that laptos as well
thats why you can see the promo still on the prebuilts, but gone from the stand alone cpus
velvet sigil
The point of using a master key system is so you know how to allocate actual keys, everyone gets a certain number of master keys
velvet sigil
If you use master keys you can know how to allocate your actual keys
hard leaf
yes and thats how i explianed my point with the made numbers
velvet sigil
You can distribute them over time and it will help know who needs more
hard leaf
yes, and that depends on newegg, and as far as i see they will not rip the codes from their prebuilts to sell more cpus
thats why you have codes on the prebuilts and not on the stand alone cpus
velvet sigil
Or it depends on more master keys being allocated to Newegg
hard leaf
the codes allocated for cpus are all gone
velvet sigil
If youโre using master keys youโre not gonna give all of the codes at once
hard leaf
well, we are running circles, as i said maybe im wrong, maybe you are right
velvet sigil
Yeah weโre definitely running circles lol
hard leaf
maybe all of the keys were already distributed, maybe those are delivered in waves
in any case i hope you can get a key pal, i doubt it but i could be wrong... i hope so
๐
velvet sigil
๐
sudden creek
Saw something saying 13900K will be for $580 something. Is that true?
sudden creek
Intel just threw it down
?
sudden creek
Ahh got it.
Which do you think will be better for server use down the line? 13900K or 7950x for a Minecraft server.
bronze summit
why did openrgb break my ram sensors
dull flint
it's openrgb
it's not perfect
I had glitches pretty quickly with it too so I went off it
dull flint
bronze summit
okay restart fixed it
i was using openrgb bc i wanted to control my RGB then my ram sticks disappeared then it stopped detecting them and
loud stone
AMD solos Intel anyday
burnt spear
AMD solos Intel anyday
Any evidence to back that claim up
cerulean wadi
Phrase like that should get an auto temp-mute. 
burnt spear
Yes?
burnt spear
First off, the 3990x is really not that good unless you're running a server or many virtual machines. Second, I'll get you a benchmark
burnt spear
Technichally amd even beats the 3990x lol
With both 3995wx and epyc whatever the hell the numbers are
dull flint
AMD is it's own worst enemy
mild jackal
It's as good single core as a 3800x
dull flint
5800X3D is a nightmare
loud stone
anyways
dull flint
loud stone
can yall agree that 7000 series amd is a waste of money
dull flint
It's a flop
I feel if they set all the chips to eco mode out of the box it wouldn't look as stupid
dull flint
98% of the perf when you severely power limit them
dull flint
what you should take away from Zen 4 is that Zen 4 3D will be the one actually hitting hard
in gaming terms
loud stone
true
dull flint
and it won't be cheap at all
devout mothBOT
dull flint
98% of the perf when you severely power limit them
not letting go of this point tho
all that extra heat is just a bandaid
throw 20% of the power out and it can technically be faster stock
throw it to eco mode and it scales down some more but 65W on 16 cores sounds way better than 280+
burnt spear
I actually can't find an Intel server cpu as strong as higher threadrippers, I thought intel had some
loud stone
lol
hard leaf
loud stone
ik
burnt spear
Still doesn't mean amd>intel, considering 12600k>5700x and 5800x while being cheaper
dull flint
Intel is trying to fight back in the server segment
burnt spear
Same with 12700f to 5900x
loud stone
ik
dull flint
AMD is actually winning there
hard leaf
and the 7950x has temp problems
wut?
burnt spear
5600 at $160 is a better buy than 12400f rn
loud stone
@hard leaf ya
hard leaf
temp problems? can you elaborate?
loud stone
ok
every stress test i have seen on it, it will always reach a temperature oof 95 degrees celsius
no matter what
u do
even in a custom loop
hard leaf
thats not a temp problem, thats intended
loud stone
ya ik
hard leaf
a temp problem is a throttle
loud stone
but that butchers the lifespan of the cpu
loud stone
I KNOW
hard leaf
those cpus are inteded to work at that temp
loud stone
i mean not that high
hard leaf
you are thinking on 5000x or intel ones
burnt spear
every stress test i have seen on it, it will always reach a temperature oof 95 d...
Supposedly their throttle point is 115
hard leaf
this ones are made to work at that temp
loud stone
o i thougth it was 95
loud stone
yea
hard leaf
but thats the norm on those chips
loud stone
that is rly weird
dull flint
thats not a temp problem, thats intended
while true, a delidding taking 30C off is not a normal improvement, the IHS as thick as it is proves a problem
hard leaf
you just need to accept it
dull flint
the z height was needed for cooler compatibility iirc so that's why it's so thick
hard leaf
while true, a delidding taking 30C off is not a normal improvement, the IHS as t...
still if you delid them they will try to reach 95 anyway
hard leaf
they are set to reach it no matter what
hard leaf
you just allow more frequency if you delid them
dull flint
and intel even
dull flint
but the difference is they designed the frequency behaviour with that temp in mind
hard leaf
i mean, feels weird and very uncomfortable to have your cpu working at that temp, im with you on that guys
dull flint
so frequency is stable unlike other architectures
hard leaf
but, all in all, its intended
dull flint
yeah it's intended, but not exactly good design
hard leaf
cant argue against that
burnt spear
Def not
burnt spear
If 13th gen is as expensive as they say, I'm getting a used 12th gen cpu
hard leaf
me 2
hard leaf
im at the point of getting a 12600k if 13th gen is too expensive
dull flint
I think I'm pulling the trigger on this later
dull flint
AUD not USD
hard leaf
aud is an expensive coin
loud stone
o
hard leaf
loud stone
LOL
dull flint
this is actually relatively not bad lmao
loud stone
and y would intel and amd switch to new motherboards and memory, they trying to get me broke
hard leaf
loud stone
lol
dull flint
cos the older motherboard chipsets can't run the new stuff
hollow thorn
Intel chilling with letting you use ddr4 lol
loud stone
true
hard leaf
eff ddr5
burnt spear
beauty ๐ 12600k on that thing :3
I'm looking at the aorus pro ax b660
loud stone
ima start getting used to intel fr
burnt spear
$145, I normally dgaf about looks but it's so nice
dull flint
@hard leaf u seen no unify x?
burnt spear
And I did get the white p360a since it was cheaper than the black one
hard leaf
the last time i saw it my wallet got lost 2 days
burnt spear
So it'd fit
hard leaf
dunno why
burnt spear
I've got plenty to spend, we've been so shorthanded I've been picking up 1-2 extra shifts a week
hard leaf
way to go pal
burnt spear
Last week I worked 36 hours while in high school
hard leaf
more money better parts
im pushing to 2.2k rn
im looking at a december build at this point
when prices normalize
burnt spear
I'm easily around 1k or so "extra" I've got to play around with, doubt I'll spend more than 400 though
loud stone
what do u guys think of the nzxt aio?
dull flint
rubbish
dull flint
for that price it gets beat hard
loud stone
ik i have mostly heard bad things abt it
hard leaf
I'm easily around 1k or so "extra" I've got to play around with, doubt I'll spen...
yeah but think on those extras... like a cool mic, cool headphones... extension cables, heck a vertical bracket.... and so on
burnt spear
Can get a 420mm arctic liquid freezer ii and have a good bit better temps
loud stone
it looks good but the cooling performance is mediocre
burnt spear
yeah but think on those extras... like a cool mic, cool headphones... extension ...
I'm thinking about new headphones, my current pair I won a while ago and they're nice but a lil uncomfortable
hard leaf
Deepcool don't forget
burnt spear
Shure srh 440s, not exactly made for gaming
dull flint
Shure srh 440s, not exactly made for gaming
wth these are so expensive
lol
they probably sound way better than any gaming set too
shure stonks
burnt spear
Theyre 100 usd, but I won this super nice giveaway like two years ago
hard leaf
love my sm-7b tho
dull flint
oh SRH440A
burnt spear
Won like 2.2k in a lot of different stuff, I sold most of it
dull flint
not the non-A
hard leaf
good mic
dull flint
non A is like 230USD
bronze summit
If 13th gen is as expensive as they say, I'm getting a used 12th gen cpu
how much performance is there really compared to 13th gen vs 12th gen
hard leaf
dont be like those guys who ask about performance on unreleased hardware xD
burnt spear
Mac m1 mini, elgato stream deck regular, two elgato key lights, some random 4k LG work monitor, elgato wave 3, shure sm7, and a super nice camera
bronze summit
dont be like those guys who ask about performance on unreleased hardware xD
I mean what did there youtube video same hehe
burnt spear
Kept the wave 3, one of the key lights and gave the monitor to my dad
hard leaf
I mean what did there youtube video same hehe
all rumors, like the prices
burnt spear
how much performance is there really compared to 13th gen vs 12th gen
We do not know yet
I doubt huge, but I've waited this long. I can wait another week or so
hard leaf
thats why we are theorizing about 12th gen IF the 13th gen is expensive as they say
note the big I F
bronze summit
thats why we are theorizing about 12th gen IF the 13th gen is expensive as they ...
oh i though thery said in there video its like 41% faster thejn something`
hard leaf
look at am5 as example.... amd was all bells and whistles on their presentation.... until the review embargo lifted
a flop... totally
bronze summit
look at am5 as example.... amd was all bells and whistles on their presentation....
ohhhhhhhhhhh
bronze summit
oh no
hard leaf
until third party reviews are out, everything is smoke and mirrors
hard leaf
not on water you dont
burnt spear
8mhz
bronze summit
not on water you dont
it will be fine trust me ik pcs
hard leaf
yeah if you can run your loop through your freezer...
bronze summit
yeah if you can run your loop through your freezer...
what about an AC
hard leaf
not enough
bronze summit
okay ill hook it up to my freezer
hard leaf
bronze summit
well in there video it can do 6.0ghz but idk about wattage
bronze summit
depends if they it more effecint
dull flint
well 6ghx is doable on aio, probably at 350w
likely not all core
cursive epoch
that's not what i call efficiency
dull flint
but also likely maybe
bronze summit
whats intel 12900k run
cursive epoch
a bit lower than 7950x