cpus-mobo-and-memory

[dull flint]

But when I stick this in

[vast meadow]

Who manually tunes to 5600mhz

[compact zenith]

If RadioShack hadn't gone out of business before, I seriously doubt they could keep up with the systems of today.

[hard leaf]

maybe felix

[dull flint]

I have oloys as well, 6200 c32's or whatever the xmp is

[vast meadow]

They spelt ice and bear wrong smh my head

[dull flint]

Boots 6866

[vast meadow]

Alright mr money bags

[dull flint]

Addicted

[hard leaf]

hey, drops those oloys here anytime 🙂

i can give them a cozy home

[vast meadow]

Or sorry, not so money bags after buying all that

[dull flint]

[vast meadow]

[hard leaf]

jokes aside, an i9 today will be destroyed by an i7 and even an i5 on rator lake, and that is about 2 months from now

buying i9s now will be a waste for "future proofing"

[compact zenith]

My z390 set up, even with running the servers and RTX 2060ti, have never hit lag till March 2022. Found out I had a player on Starbound who not only made a planet size building, he placed 200+ 500 slot chests to store every item in game. Takes hoarding to a new level . That game is better for stress tests lol

[vast meadow]

2060 super?

[dull flint]

2060 XT

[vast meadow]

Also could well be a gpu bottleneck

[compact zenith]

Yes, the 12gb version.

[vast meadow]

What you have a 9700k?

[hard leaf]

2060xt ti

[vast meadow]

That's just called 2060 12gb

[dull flint]

2060 Titan

[vast meadow]

I'll Titan you

[hard leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/escalated-quickly-anchorman-drinking-gif-5112090

[compact zenith]

EVGA RTX 12gb, one moment, getting exact name.

[dull flint]

Don't over-titan me pls

I'll fail to brain

[vast meadow]

Model of the card doesn't matter

[hard leaf]

we got it, dont worry

[compact zenith]

EVGA GeForce RTX 2060 12GB XC Gaming, 12G-P4-2263-KR, 12GB GDDR6,Dual Fans, Metal Backplate

[hard leaf]

anyway, dont buy 690s and i9s today, we will have 700 series and raptor lake in about 2 months

[compact zenith]

Too late. Ordered them days ago.

They come tomorrow

[dull flint]

Return policy?

[compact zenith]

Newegg

[hard leaf]

for the same price you can get tech about 50% better in 2 months maybe even cheaper

most of us are waiting for that to happen as well

i9s too expensive and not worth at this point of the cycle

imagine a 13900ks

[dull flint]

I haven't decided if 13900KS yet

Most likely not

Cos why do that when just K is close

[hard leaf]

nor i, i will settle on 13600k or either 13700f or 700kf

[compact zenith]

Reason I chose Newegg, Amazon was more expensive, and last time I ordered parts to build a new system, they put it on back order after charging me, then canceled saying they didn't get enough stock, to find them selling the items they claimed not in stock at double the price.

[hard leaf]

what he meant is to use the return policy to return that purchase and get your money back

and hold until october

[dull flint]

Or 12700f+b660m+ddr4

[hard leaf]

rpl will be announced at late september and the 13th gen will be release on october (most likely)

[compact zenith]

Restock fees, shipping costs, not saving much heh

[hard leaf]

you care about savings now? o.O i was under the impression that you wanted the best of the best

[compact zenith]

I do lol.

To last too.

There will always be better

[hard leaf]

yeah, point is the better stuff is just 2 months away

not like a year

you will sacrifice about 30-50% more performance for not waiting

that will last you a lot longer than alder lake

[dull flint]

30% looking properly true rn

[hard leaf]

better mobos, better cpus, better memory support

[dull flint]

At the least you could return the cpu only and get a 13900K later

And that will definitely be worth doing

[hard leaf]

yeah 12900k at this point is a waste of 600usd, when you can get the 13900k in 2 months

[dull flint]

Considering it's a server I can understand getting one tbh

[compact zenith]

Actually, the best thing I saw this year was Amazons 7 minute mistake. They had an 24gb RTX at $129 about 2;30am pst. So tried to grab 2, to get that doggy picture ohoh message, and find it at $1600 after refresh.

[hard leaf]

funny that we are at that point in the cycle where the best decision is to wait

cpus, gpus, mobos, memory

it will be a great xmas season

[dull flint]

Psu's even

[compact zenith]

Don't forget the crypto currency crash two weeks ago. That influences a lot too

[dull flint]

Eh? 2 weeks ago?

[hard leaf]

eh?

[dull flint]

More like 6 months ago

[hard leaf]

crypto crashed like 6 months ago

we are at 2 weeks from the merge in any case

that will drive a second massive crash

[compact zenith]

There was one announced on Monday two weeks ago

[hard leaf]

crypto is going down since the start of the year

thats why gpus are so plentiful these days

not profitable anymore

[compact zenith]

eBay is packed lately with used ones. I'll stick with new.

[cerulean wadi]

Good, don't mind if it stays that way. All those people hogging dozens of cards that could've been in gamers homes.

[hard leaf]

thing is, we are also at the verge of the new gen gpus as well

so, waiting on gpus as well

by nov/dec we will have 13tgh gen anf both amd and nvidia cards

[cerulean wadi]

yea, the 4090 maybe.

[hard leaf]

4090 is well rumored on october

im hoping for a 4080 launch before xmas

[compact zenith]

Ever since the mining went wild, manufacturers been pumping out non RGB versions since the miners been taking up a lot of the market

[grizzled bloom]

It's pretty much confirmed 4090 October and 4080 Nov/Dec

And 4070 Jan

[dull flint]

Can't wait to cause local blackouts with my games

[hard leaf]

that my boi

[dull flint]

[hard leaf]

i even rewired a new outlet directly from the fuse box with 12awg

just saying

20 amps

[grizzled bloom]

Dedication right there

[dull flint]

Damn

SLI will still kill it

[hard leaf]

yeah, i dont want hot wires threatening my socks

[compact zenith]

Only thing that takes half that much amperage are my air conditioning units.

[hard leaf]

yeah 20 amps is overkill

15 amps is enough for 1500w

even 14awg could be enough, but meh..safer is better

[grizzled bloom]

Technically more than 1500W on 15A because 110V

[hard leaf]

kinda

[grizzled bloom]

Sustained load can still trip it

[hard leaf]

running thru a pvc canalet for like 12-15 meters form the fuse box to my studio

[compact zenith]

Once I get my own house, I'm going strictly solar. $400 electric bills because PGE wants to recover money they lost burning down half of California is overkill

[hard leaf]

was a weekend work

[hard leaf]

yeah, thats why i went with the 20 amp breaker

ill probably end up selling my 850g6 to a friend and buy something 1200w a tier before ada

[compact zenith]

I use the same power all year round, but during summer, something happens with way my neighbors use energy, that my breakers flip often. Always the summer

I'd sell the older I7s, but the S&h is a killer.

[hard leaf]

im still rocking a 4770, a beast

2 months for retirement, was a good lad 🙂

[compact zenith]

I'll be lucky if I even get close to retirement, let alone make it.

[hard leaf]

oh not me, my cpu

im still young

[compact zenith]

Rofl.

[hard leaf]

however i have a lot of white hair already D':

[compact zenith]

58, 6 heart attacks, and reason I'm not returning the parts and waiting a few months. I just got out two weeks ago after a 3 week stay, so really want to make sure my kids have something that lasts.

[hard leaf]

auch, sad to hear that

[compact zenith]

I'm fine. Long as I make it to my kids graduations, I'm hip.

[hard leaf]

still in any case for the future, if you need some upgrades come here first, we can advice you in the best bang for your buck

[grizzled bloom]

Get a new ATX 3.0 power supply and you shouldn't need to overbuy on wattage

[compact zenith]

My bucket list completed twice over

[hard leaf]

thats the idea as well, heard that atx 3.0 will support 3x transients

[grizzled bloom]

On the PCIe yes

[hard leaf]

something 1000w should be enough on atx3

still the idea of parting ways with my g6 bring tears to my eyes

its like saying goodbye to some ballistonks to make way for ddr5

sad indeed

[grizzled bloom]

850 should be plenty on a good A tier 3.0 unit, even with a 4090 using 450W

[hard leaf]

you think? need to read more about the new psu standards

[grizzled bloom]

Unless you have a 12900k that wants 300W in addition to a 4090 yeah, 850 is plenty

[hard leaf]

if anything my max setting will be a 13700k

with a 4080

dont want to go higher than that becuase the power bills

[dull flint]

You'll want at least 1000W for that I think

12700K pulls 330W OC'd iirc

I don't have one but I remember it's higher than 12900K at 312

[hard leaf]

yeah, thats why im feeling severly limited on my 850 rn

[grizzled bloom]

We still have no idea how much the 13700k will draw with no limits

[cerulean wadi]

That's at near 100% anyways, not most games. Guy on techpowerups forums often shows 12700K around 80w in many games at 1440P

[dull flint]

True

[hard leaf]

i was under the impression that pl3 was only for the 13900k

[dull flint]

And true

PL3 has existed for a while

[grizzled bloom]

But if it's the same as the 12700k then yes a 13700k can be thirsty

[dull flint]

Can do that already on Intel

[hard leaf]

yeah xD

[dull flint]

My UX bios can set 4096W

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah you can set it so there's effectively no limit, and it uses what it wants

[hard leaf]

if i take that route probably will settle about 250-275 on a 360 lf2

[dull flint]

What is good about official PL3 spec though is now we can say it's part of spec

[hard leaf]

that will depend on how much i can stash before the 4080

[grizzled bloom]

You saw that b stock deal earlier right? Crazy low prices and full warranty

[karmic perch]

1000w😭

[hard leaf]

not really, have to take a look

oh ebay 😦

oh the artic official store 😄

[compact zenith]

Wait a moment. Power supplies I'm using are 1050w Gamax. Am I about to hear it's not enough for that equipment I'm getting?

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah, from the official store lol

[hard leaf]

gamax

[compact zenith]

EVGA 850w died in a year and a half. Thermaltske in 8 months. My gameax 850 in my old I7 p6x58w alive after 5 years, so I have no complaints.

[grizzled bloom]

Gamemax? They have exclusively tier E units that are a hazard to other components

[hard leaf]

because it powers an old 4770 that draws almost no power

[dull flint]

Imagine if it was ga meh max

[hard leaf]

i wouldnt trust an 12900k to a gamax unit

just saying

[cerulean wadi]

wouldnt trust it hold my door open

[hard leaf]

and he have a big big door

well, wasnt that big the last time i saw it

[dull flint]

Need quality psu for big powerful door

[grizzled bloom]

Gamemax is one of the brands that sends cherry picked samples to the 80+ board and reviewers, when they barely meet bronze or white label in production units

[compact zenith]

I can't use my gameax to hold my door open. My TRS 80 does that job.

[hard leaf]

oh boy

[silver turret]

https://www.amazon.in/XPG-SPECTRIX-3600MHz-U-DIMM-Desktop/dp/B07XYKY36X/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1C01W488FIEE0&keywords=3600mhz%2Bddr4%2Bram&qid=1661950843&sprefix=3600mhz%2Bddr4%2Bram%2Caps%2C189&sr=8-2&th=1 is this CL 16

[silver turret]

i am blind

[hard leaf]

it seems

[silver turret]

and yea what is cl18-20

i know what is CL but what is CL18-20

[hard leaf]

sub timings

18-20-20

[silver turret]

did not get it

but is the best 3600mhz cl16

[hard leaf]

memories have a cas latency and sub timings used on internal operations inside the stick

those are the sub timings

for your build? 3200c16 period

[silver turret]

i got

https://www.amazon.in/MSI-B660M-Gaming-Motherboard-PROB660M-AWIFIDDR4/dp/B09NTP4PVK/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1TCRSXN8P8Q0O&keywords=MSI+PRO+B660M-A+WiFi+DDR4+MATX+Gaming+Motherboard%2CBlack%2CPROB660M-AWIFIDDR4&qid=1661952697&sprefix=msi+pro+b660m-a+wifi+ddr4+matx+gaming+motherboard%2Cblack%2Cprob660m-awifiddr4%2Caps%2C724&sr=8-1

so

[hard leaf]

the board aint the problem, its your cpu

[silver turret]

i3 12100f

[hard leaf]

you have the cheapest 12th gen chip, it will struggle with any speed higher than 3200

[silver turret]

i5 12400f?

[hard leaf]

i know very little about this, but as far as i know non-K skus have trouble to maintain higher speeds because locked SA on the chips

maybe someone else could explain it better

[burnt spear]

Yes, for a non k cpu just get 3200

[hard leaf]

hey bacca morning bud 😄

[burnt spear]

I'd settle for 3000c16 if it's a good bit cheaper than 3200c16 for you

Hi Ravell

[silver turret]

i3 12100K lol

nvm i cant even overclock it

[burnt spear]

An i3 on a z690 lol

That'd be funny

[silver turret]

bc of the Motherboard

[hard leaf]

yeah K skus need a z690 to properly oc

[silver turret]

scram

[hard leaf]

thats the way it is

[burnt spear]

Well ig sips is doing that, but just because he wants a system while waiting for 13th

[silver turret]

and see this

is this good

[hard leaf]

if it fits your budget yes, its fine

[silver turret]

it will

[hard leaf]

if you get more money somehow, next thing to upgrade is your cpu

[silver turret]

what will it work

[hard leaf]

no wait, wrong

your gpu

[burnt spear]

Yes that's good

[hard leaf]

if you get more money you can uprgrade your 6600 to a 6600xt

if not, yes thats fine

[silver turret]

i can lol this place called

S P Road

OP

[hard leaf]

but you build is very good at that price point 🙂

[silver turret]

soooo much DISCOUNT

[silver turret]

yea all because of u

u told me to get that Motherboard

[hard leaf]

well, thats my advice, if you can get a bit more money your next upgrade should be the 6600 to a 6600xt

[silver turret]

and my budget from 77k it was 71k

[hard leaf]

if not then go ahead and take the shot 🙂

[silver turret]

i can upgrade but i got to go to p s road to see what is the price

for rx 6600 xt

and what iis better 6600xt or rtx 3060

[burnt spear]

6600xt

[silver turret]

ok

[hard leaf]

not me, everyone around here helped you more than me, in fact risen is the one who guided on the best choices on your budget, and bacca, pato and the rest of the bois were extremeley helpful in your build 🙂

not goin to ping them all, becasue reasons, but thats the point 😛

[silver turret]

yea

[burnt spear]

Ravell I took my car to the mechanic on Monday and picked it up yesterday

[hard leaf]

600usd or more?

[burnt spear]

Was getting ac compressor replaced, and then smthn else broke

Guess how much it cost after labor

[hard leaf]

around 1k?

[burnt spear]

Over 1250

[silver turret]

1251

[silver turret]

.......

[hard leaf]

that will set you back for the build, damn

D:

[burnt spear]

My bank account is crying

I mean, I'm 17 I don't really have bills to pay luckily

[hard leaf]

one grand is still one grand D:

[burnt spear]

And over the summer I've been working 35+ hours a week, and will continue working around 20 during the school year

[silver turret]

yea

[burnt spear]

Oh it's a lot of money 100%, but I'm not completely broke

[silver turret]

that hard

[hard leaf]

still two months to hoard more

im aiming at 2k at least by the end of october

[burnt spear]

I'll likely buy whichever releases first

[hard leaf]

for now am5 is a no go for me

[burnt spear]

I still just need cpu, mobo, and possibly ddr5

My brother is going to get my current pc, so it gives me an incentive to leave my ddr4 in it

[hard leaf]

thats nice to hear

[silver turret]

ddr5 are u getting the new amd cpu

[hard leaf]

most of us around here will

we are fasting to save the coin

[burnt spear]

I might

[silver turret]

damn

i saw a Motherboard for the new amd cpu and damn that will be 500+ i think

[hard leaf]

im thinking in buying later the b-stock lf2 360 on ebay

[silver turret]

Oooo

[hard leaf]

yeah im expecting like 1.2k for mobo+cpu and ddr5 for my build

and 800 for a gpu

[burnt spear]

I'm honestly kinda regretting buying the clc 280 for $60, id rather use a good air cooler

And the pa120 is $35

[silver turret]

my pc is 800

[burnt spear]

Aio just complicates things and gives another point of failure

Heatsink simpler

[hard leaf]

well... not buying on ebay anymore xD

my account was permanently blocked

why? idk, it had like 10 minutes

o.O

funny site

[burnt spear]

Ravell

9700k 2080s pc for $650 on marketplace

If only I needed a pc

[silver turret]

https://www.amazon.in/XPG-D60G-3200MHz-PC4-25600-AX4U320038G16-DT60/dp/B07QQ3RRVS/ref=sr_1_7?crid=2S3L8X3IDIT2M&keywords=8x2gb+ram+ddr4+3200mhz+cl16&qid=1661953995&sprefix=8x2gb+ram+ddr4+3200mhz+cl16%2Caps%2C329&sr=8-7 is this arbg?

[hard leaf]

that pc is kinda hot, even to flip it later

[burnt spear]

Regular rgb

[burnt spear]

Yeah, parents are uncomfortable with me doing so unfortunately

Otherwise I'd pick it up, maybe take gpu for my brother and put my spare 1660 in and resell it

I need an organizer/shelf for all my nerd stuff

[silver turret]

it is ARGB nice

[oblique crown]

Quick question guys, what max temperature should I set in BIOS for a 5900x? Today for the first time I got a warning about high temps, and I noticed the BIOS default was 75

I have read in some places that 90 is safe?

[cursive epoch]

refer to tjunction max on amd site

but 90c is completely fine

[oblique crown]

Thank you

So 75 was very low 😛

[cursive epoch]

tj max is about 95c iirc

and that limit is the highest safe limit for 24/7 operation

[oblique crown]

Thanks, well that was gaming so not 24/7 😄

Restart, bios here I come

[cursive epoch]

i would start to worry at 90c

cause cooling might be inadequate

but it's still fine to run it like that

[oblique crown]

I have an ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 360

Hm, I can only change the warning from Auto to Enabled and Disabled, don't have any temperature limits

[cursive epoch]

hm

that cooler should be fine

bios being dumb then

[oblique crown]

I know, it worked fine until today's warning, for 1 year or so

And it's not even hot anymore outside :)) Rained all day.

[hard leaf]

X3D cpus leaked for january... damn 7900x3d with 204mb cache combined

amd is preparing its fangs for raptor lake

[dull flint]

7950x3d?

[compact zenith]

You almost got your wish, I was about to refuse the last shipment because they shipped everything, except the two NVME that came with the DDR5. They said it's going out today, so will watch. If not, I'll only accept the first two builds and refuse last order. Those NVME are for my own build, and was worried of a repeat of 2012, where I got charged for 4 system builds, but noticed the power supply that was part of a package, only shipped 3, not 4. Took a day to find out, there was an unsaid limit of 3 per customer, so Newegg did something to ship the 4th after I said I was refusing entire order. In the end they did ok.

Crazy question, why on earth is Newegg limiting CPUs to 1 per customer? Had to place 3 different orders, 3 CPUs similar if different. There some type of abuse going on with them? Figured it was only video cards that had that issue

[hard leaf]

scalpers try to scalp on everything mainstream, that includes cpus

[hard leaf]

quite the rumors from greymon

we will see

[grizzled bloom]

That lines up with rumors I've seen previously. If rpl is as competitive as we expect AMD wants to get Zen4 3D out ASAP.

[cursive epoch]

^

[compact zenith]

It's funny how rumors spread. I wrote many an article, long before YouTube existed, and they as far as I know, never went viral. I do an example of a rumor to a friend, and that goes viral. Never what I want lol.

Actually, is 50k upvotes even considered viral?

Oh, the graphics that Intel has built into some CPUs, that's just bare bone, not comparable with RTX if I'm assuming right?

[cursive epoch]

yes

no integrated gpus right now has rt capability

and even if they do they're gonna do a very bad job at it

[grizzled bloom]

I think Intel are the only ones with plans to have RT in their iGPU once they integrate Arc

[cursive epoch]

ye

in 14th gen they're apparently planning to do it

[grizzled bloom]

What would be really cool is to use that synergy between Arc GPU and iGPU to process RT

[cursive epoch]

ah yes

potential selling point for all intel system

dell would be very happy

[grizzled bloom]

I forget when (maybe GN covered it?) but Intel did say that was going to be a feature, using the iGPU to take load off the GPU

That would be a reason to get a higher tier non F CPU if Arc gets good by doing that

[cursive epoch]

smart actually

amd used to do that but it failed

[compact zenith]

Been building systems since 1985, the old MSDos days, and it takes a 7 year old neighbor of mine who was 5 at the time of incident, to remind me that I shouldn't go testing the new hardware, until I block Microsoft from recording the new items, or I run the risk of my new licenses, being denied. How does one even do that? Figured if I shut wifi off, id be ok, but moment wifi goes back on, it's going to send Microsoft that info.

[cerulean wadi]

I know extea 3d cache costs a lot, but they should do a 7600X3D.

[hard leaf]

the old days of Ms-Dos on 2015?.. the old ms-dos days were more like 1992

[compact zenith]

I actually typed 1985, not 2015. Stupid spell check

Thanks for pointing that out. I have said worse things due to my phone.

[hard leaf]

still the wifi thing doesnt line up with a 1985 timeline

nor the fact that a 5 year old kid in 1985 to know about the wifi effect on windows licenses o.O

the whole thing is kinda weird even for a spell check

[upper aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-popcorn-michael-jackson-gif-26271837

[hard leaf]

internet sync wasnt a thing on the old ms-dos days... maybe im wrong, because i remember very little of that time, i was like 7 or 9 at that time and my older brothers were the ones that messed things on windows 3.1.... or it was 3.2?

[compact zenith]

My first computer was Atari 800 with 810 disk drive and happy Chip modification board. Then C64 then 128d running a C+Net bbs called Video Game Mansion which when I got my Amiga, ran the multi chat version using Supra modems, then got into the MS dos systems. I'm old, give me some leeway for some date mistakes =p

I'm not counting the Adam computer because I had to return it 3 times in one day, they were all DOA.

[oblique crown]

What should I use for a CPU stress test? Today I got a CPU temp warning I can't replicate, it might have been a storm that took out the power just for a flicker, the PC didn't stop, but something happened, not sure if the CPU cooler was affected.

[compact zenith]

I miss my Amiga and Megaball 😦

[compact zenith]

When I had similar issue two months ago, turned out my SSD was going bad, and my power supply.

[oblique crown]

Both are quite new, how did you find out it was those?

[compact zenith]

Does the error happen often?

[oblique crown]

The power source is a Seasonic Focus+, Gold, 850w which is much much more than I need

No, only once today during a storm when the power went out for a fraction of a second

TV went off, pc not

But I got the CPU temp warning just after that

I panicked and just shut it off, didn't check anything :))

[compact zenith]

When you boot up, does you system hang in bios or go right into Windows?

[oblique crown]

It boots up fine

I played after that the same game I was playing during the storm, CPU never went above 65 celsius

Which for a 5900x is ok

So first thing is a CPU stress test, to see if there are any temp issues.

Since it was a CPU warning

[hard leaf]

you have an aio or an air cooler?

[compact zenith]

See if it happens again. If your computer pauses too long in bios, then start disconnecting drives and boot up to find the offending drive, and pray it's not your NVME if you use one.

[oblique crown]

AIO

Water

ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 360

I think it's an AIO 😄

[oblique crown]

Bios works well, I also updated the BIOS after that

So I played around in it for 20 mins with multiple restarts

I have a Samsung PRO NVME

[compact zenith]

I love water coolers, but stopped using them because I live next to a train line and airport, and the vibrations caused a line to slip, and was lucky not to have killed my machine

[oblique crown]

Hm, I definitely won't get another water one

Hard Disk Sentinel says all my drives are perfect

Low temp too

[hard leaf]

if the problem was only on the blackout and the temps are fine after that i shouldnt worry that much, maybe the aio shut down early and that made your temps spike for a moment

if you really want to stress your cpu you can use cinebench or aida64

[oblique crown]

Thanks, wrote them down

[compact zenith]

The SSD that went bad in mine, was an SSD, non NVME. Was my emergency image should the NVME fail, and locked my system during boot up until I removed it.

[oblique crown]

Hm, the NVME is 98% https://prnt.sc/4EM8w7Z-yNRn All other drives are 100%

It says that there are no issues, not sure how it compiles the 98 rating

Probably power on time

[cerulean wadi]

Ssd health is generally related to it's tbw rating, or close to that. It's a non concern even at 50% health unless issues are actually found.

[compact zenith]

If you don't live in an area with constant vibration, no worry. I get union Pacific shaking my home every night lol, so parts get loose often, not just computer. Union Pacific causes my home more damage than the earthquakes here heh.

[oblique crown]

Ouch

[inland token]

Hey

Is instaling wrong chipset drivers really bad

do i need to uninstall

[grizzled bloom]

If it's the right brand at least then the download package should have all the currently supported chipsets included

[grizzled bloom]

That has to do with wear leveling and is based on the average life of the data cells calculated against the current tbw

SSDs are typically the longest lasting part in a home PC, barring any physical damage or electrical surge

I'm still using the same m.2 SSD I've had since I was using a FX 8300 and it's still at 98%

[pastel ruin]

Hello
I ordered a Asus ROG Maximus Z690 Hero, anticipating the delivery tomorrow. Was hoping to do my build over the long weekend.

But, just came across the recall on this particular MB (https://www.asus.com/us/news/u5866wtjwmbj1fue/). Now I'm scared if I'd get the defective part. Does someone know if Newegg is still shipping the defective MB's? How is the recall procedure for this board? Don't have the S/N yet so can't check if my board is faulty. Disappointed in myself now for not checking this prior to ordering one. Was really hoping to do my build over the long weekend 😢

[grizzled bloom]

It's highly unlikely that you'll get a defective board because it was only a mistake in an early run off the boards. If yours was made within the last 8 months or so it's probably fine.

You could still check the serial number when you get it, of course, and inspect the capacitor to see if it's flipped.

[hard leaf]

yeah check the capacitor when you have the board before anything else

[sudden creek]

Who do you guys think will come out on top with this new generation of chips?

13th gen vs 7000 series?

[grizzled bloom]

By all reports it'll be super competitive, so I think AMD will gain more market share since they've committed to AM5 until at least 2025 while Intel is going to be a dead platform.

[karmic perch]

[grizzled bloom]

Don't forget about Zen4 3D coming around January too

7800X3D is supposedly 30% better than the 5800X3D

[karmic perch]

I will support the the cheap one.

[grizzled bloom]

Intel is under pressure by shareholders to raise profit margin so AMD might have the advantage there too, even considering you need ddr5

[cerulean wadi]

Although cheap decent B660 mobo (DDR4) + 13400/13500 is gonna be somewhat popular.

Here's a query for you. Supposedly new msi mobo missing the socket protector. Fishy?

[cursive epoch]

probably qc issue

[cursive epoch]

true, but amd really needs to do some hybrid cpu later imo

[grizzled bloom]

Big/little hybrid?

Eh, I don't see that working with their chiplet design

It's mostly good for production stuff anyway, and AMD seems to be targeting the gaming market more

[cerulean wadi]

Was a z490. I was just glancing at various msi "edge" on ebay for a min and saw that. 1 bonus to not doing big/little is less reliance on Win11 thread director, like why the 12600 & below is cool, but almost all 13th gen is getting Ecores. Might be $300ish, but 7600X should at least "beat" a 5800X in games. The clocks are great.

[grizzled bloom]

That's true, there's no way Intel would let their custom made thread director work on their main competitor's products.

[cerulean wadi]

It's not specifically a windows/microsoft thing? --- well I figure by the time I think of even using a 12600K or higher/newer, Win11 will be even more solid.

[grizzled bloom]

It was a joint effort between Intel and Microsoft so they could integrate it into the kernel

Besides I'd never go for the big/little unless they had an equivalent to thread director in the Linux kernel

[strange spindle]

Btw I got my PC 0-0

[cursive epoch]

oof

well that's a shame

[eternal turtle]

poor 10400

[cerulean wadi]

Seems only 10% faster in that vs an 8100, yikes.

[oblique crown]

Cheers

I also have an old SSD in this PC, it says 100% :))

[sudden creek]

I am excited to see what's gonna happen then between AMD and Intel this round.

[compact zenith]

The other day, a few didn't like the fact I use GameMax power supplies in my builds. To be honest, the only thing I don't like about them, is the time bomb built into them to shut down after they hit their max time. An easy fix in older models, the newer ones are covered in epoxy so you basically kill the circuit board trying to remove it, to get close to the surface mounts.
If GameMax isn't that liked, what decent 850-1050w RGB power supply, would someone suggest? Reasonable priced. I myself don't like thermaltske, because they are the rule changer of you don't get what you pay for. Example, last year glass case,$299, all the brass supports, well no, not all but most of the brass motherboard supports already in the case, turned. Like when a scree is stripped. Support told me to use the glue they included and instead just packed it up and Amazon took it back. Their power supplies look nice, but I want my own RGB setup, not be forced into their own version.

[scenic solar]

Planned obsolescence 💀
I hope it gets banned all around the world

[hollow thorn]

Basically no one else outside of thermaltake puts argb fans into higher end psus, Corsair tried with cx-f, performance fell because of the argb, and sales were pretty bad, and they're working at a loss. But anyways, with thermaltake, they don't make the PSU anyways, they just put their name on, like gf1 argb is just cwt gpr plus an argb fan

[hollow thorn]

Also, if you're worrying about rgb control for the last bit, openrgb.

Would not reccomend doing fan swap btw

[vast meadow]

Sf would like a word with you

[dull flint]

Haha uh oh. Ryzen 7000 seems tough to cool

[hard leaf]

thats new?

[compact zenith]

It's the quality of Thermaltakes cases I don't like. Glue on brass supports, that's asking for a lot of trouble if you need to remove the motherboard down the road.

[dull flint]

Proably not

[hard leaf]

[hard leaf]

holy efff

ok, thats new

[dull flint]

230W barely under control

This isn't prime 95 either this is a basic aida stress

If there's any power limit unlocking it might be hard for most people

PBO no go brrrr

[hard leaf]

poor aio, the pump is thermal throttling

in all seriousness... imagine the pumps mounted on the block, they will fail very early due to those extreme temperatures

[dull flint]

Well it won't always run like that

But they seem to be giving themselves an Ada moment

[hard leaf]

the gn bois will have a lot of fun testing those chips

[dull flint]

Genuinely wondering what's needed for a 7600X

[hard leaf]

you cant go wrong with an ak620

just saying

[dull flint]

They raised that chip to 105W ye?

[hard leaf]

yup

[dull flint]

Yeah so prolly dual tower

Le oof

[hard leaf]

7700 as well

[dull flint]

Ofc

[hard leaf]

7900x not a chance

that will need 280 at the very minimum

[dull flint]

Unless Ryzen really shocks us with better review numbers I think AMD about to get a wake up call shortly

Like everything for the low end needs an upgrade for a user

Mobo cpu ram cooler

Only missing 3 other parts in a case lol

[hard leaf]

na, low end will be intel grounds, no doubt on that

a lake full of raptors

[dull flint]

Oh yeah but it's just more salt on the wound now

[hard leaf]

7600 and 7700 will be destroyed by raptor as well

oh amd, what have you done

[dull flint]

But we'll see, that twitter post mightn't be a true representation

I would imagine a decent aio and ofc a proper mount but you never know

[grizzled bloom]

AMD isn't including stock coolers any more. Interpret that how you like.

[dull flint]

[main pulsar]

its so based

why the hell should they

drop the price of the chip by a bit, let the people buy the 20-40 dollar cooler of their choice

[grizzled bloom]

Well that leads to another problem. They're not reducing the price of the chips.

And it remains to be seen if a V5 will be enough to keep the 7600X from throttling

[compact zenith]

I don't like their fans. That's the only thing I remove from their cases lol. I prefer cool master, or some of the decent generic art fan types, that are universal.

I was having trouble finding the 1050w game max power supplies I purchased back in May. So looked up the past Amazon sales and totally went into rage mode. They didn't sell me 1050w GameMax, they sold me 850w and changed the HTML, not realizing the wording was still there. They actually refunded me for one of the two. Haven't been this POd since my wife a few years back, started getting her pay check docked for child support, by some woman in another state commiting fraud, naming my wife as the father? Too funny and too stupid 😂

Data breaches cause a lot of chaos, that's for sure.

[amber canopy]

I dont even bother taking those leaks seriously

[amber canopy]

so many variables that arent accounted for. it's not even worth seriously considering

twitters leakers are 🤡

[grizzled bloom]

The increased tdp is confirmed by the official announcement but yeah a leak like that is just useless

It doesn't say which Ryzen 9, which AIO, nothing

[compact zenith]

Data breaches? You don't really think of it until one of two things happen, you're account gets emptied out, or you bank calls you because while you were buying a pack of cigs in California, some one else using the same card just used the pin in Brazil, tried taking out $800 in cash and failed. As for the child support, Arkansas was the state, and after being given the run around, our senators office got involved and put a stop to it in two hours, what I couldn't get done in two months.

[grizzled bloom]

I'm pretty sure he was talking about the Twitter leak he replied to

[amber canopy]

yea lol

[compact zenith]

Sorry, I'm bouncing between 22 discord servers, IRC, work, my wife, and have the bad habit of picking up on the wrong tail end of someone else's conversations.

[grizzled bloom]

Lol it happens sometimes, don't worry

[amber canopy]

Pro tip: you dont have to be on discord

[compact zenith]

Anyways, need to now find two 1050w power supplies, now that I know mines only 850w. I plan weeding out my spindle drives, 9 of them as I merge them into 16tb models. Since I run my server 24/7, 9 drives, four NVME, I9, Aorus z690 master, 64gb ram, blu-ray drive, fans, all RGB, VHS to AVI hauppauge video card, and RTX 2060ti, not sure if I should go from 850w to 1050w or 1250w.

[amber canopy]

💀

[compact zenith]

Their old drives, like 3tb. The 8tb are all Segate drives I gutted from their external cases. When I got them, Amazon was selling them at $89, yet internal drives were $289, so buying the externals to gut the drives was a better price option. Plus I learned Segate uses refurbished drives in the external enclosures they sell. Found a repair sticker under the PCB of one.

I make enough Grammer and spelling errors, don't need my phone's spell check to make it worse.

I smashed my last phone a year ago, after an email I sent to the assistant ada on how I dealt with a client issue got changed from I went off in them, to I went down on them. That phone, what's left of it will never be found >_<

[amber canopy]

My new ram just arrived 🤓

[grizzled bloom]

That's super weird to me, those are from a triple channel kit and there's 4 of them

[amber canopy]

yea there's 2 dimms here from 2 different kits

they're all the same though lol

hoping at least one of these dimms are great

[grizzled bloom]

They're all the same die at least. That's one thing Corsair is good for, they label the version number.

[amber canopy]

Yea it's so convenient

[long geyser]

Why you upgrading PSU to 1kw+? There is a very high chance you could get away with 750w and definitely 850w given that list. The only issue you have rn is that your current PSUs are Gamemax

[compact zenith]

For one, because that's what was supposed to be in my system to begin with. I'm supposed to get the parts for 3 complete rebuilds. I7 for my kids, LGA1700, and I9 Z690 for myself. All Aorus Master. Anyways, Amazon just fully refunded me for the two GameMax supplies I purchased back in April and May because the seller sold them to me as 1050w plus, the ones that are supposed to be motherboard controller RGB. Instead, sent me 850w and changed the HTML to make it look like that's what I ordered. Problem for him, HTML only changes the images, not the text, so Amazon refunded me. Seller was banned months ago. I only just found out today so looking on Newegg for the Aora port ones

[long geyser]

Welp, that sucks. But still my question stands for wattage, why 1kw+? You'd be fine on 750w/850w. I'd say just get any good 750w/850w PSU

[compact zenith]

Until I weed out my 9 spindle drives, which is merging let's say two 3tb and one 6tb onto a 16, I have 9 spindle drives, three NVME, Blue Ray reader/writer, PCI express 6 port sata expansion, Pciexpress hauppauge VHS to AVI converter, 12 120mm RGB fans, one 200mm RGB fan, and I know I'm forgetting a few items.

.
Most of my parts just came. If it wasn't for the fact that I7 don't have bendable pins, Id be worried. One RGB CPU fan radiator got crushed In shipment by the I7 next to it. I7 box dented on side so even though pinless, still worried about opening it.

[cursive epoch]

it'll be fine

[compact zenith]

Box is too soft. No way that was what hit radiator. Something during shipment must of hit box. All else is fine.

[cursive epoch]

you can drop the cpu and it'll probably be fine

as long as the box isn't so damaged

[compact zenith]

Everything else surprisingly is good.

One fan has to go back, so I consider fact 3 builds and 1 bad fan is pretty good.

7 years ago, that shipment was just horrible, and Newegg made the carrier pay for damaged product. Shipment came in two halves, one day after the next. First shipment the carrier threw one of the boxes at my daughter's sleeping cat on the steps, hit planter and all was caught on security footage. Reported it, and obviously the carriers boss said something as next day when my thermaltske case came, same guy opened it and used it as a toilet, all recorded. Newegg sent a replacement and had me toss the case because the service after seeing the footage, refused to even touch the box.

[amber canopy]

it was all trash

at least i learned some stuff

[weary cedar]

So I’ve figured out a need to get a new power supply for my pc. I’m not sure how much wattage I need are there any experts in here?

I can’t seem to figure out how to post pictures but I have a listing of all my parts

[grizzled bloom]

You need to be level 3 for pictures but if you put your parts into PCPartPicker.com/list you should be able to post that link

Oh I see you posted in multiple channels

[weary cedar]

Yeah I didn’t realize I shouldn’t do that lmao someone told me. I’ll make that link now

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PgHZqm

Here’s that I couldn’t find my ram I have Adata DDR4 3000 202 2x4GB

[vast meadow]

8gb ram

[sonic patrol]

So I dont know much about building pcs and I dont know which motherboard would be good for a 12900k, theres alot of b660s and its confusing me.

[vast meadow]

No point spending extra on a k cpu if you're putting it on a non overclockable motherboard, for oc you want z690

[sonic patrol]

I dont want to oc it.

[dull flint]

then you should just get a non K chip

It's the same as the K chips but much cheaper because you aren't paying for the OC features

[sonic patrol]

So K means that you can oc it?

[dull flint]

ye

[sonic patrol]

Ohhh

Well then I will just have the 12900

[dull flint]

similarly the F at the end means no iGPU inside it

[sonic patrol]

But still what mobo for it

[dull flint]

I would go 12700f tbh

there's a huge price gap again for 12900 from 12700

but you only drop 4 e cores

[sonic patrol]

Yeah but I prefer choosing the 900

So what motherboard would be good for a 12900?

[dull flint]

they perform the same in games

12700 is just significantly cheaper

you also don't need to put extra into the board or the cooling for a 12700

[sonic patrol]

Alright I will go through the cpus again and check out the 12700, but for now what mobo would fit the 12900?

[dull flint]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KwrVFg
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bnbzH2

literally $200 difference for maybe 1 fps lol

[sand blade]

what do you guys think would be a good upgrade for my i5 3570 under 200$?

[burnt spear]

B660 mag bazooka if you don't need wifi, if you do mag mortar

[burnt spear]

12100f b660 rs

[sand blade]

great, thank you!

[burnt spear]

If you need wifi built in, b660 ds3h is $120

Which would put it a bit over budget, but if you can it's worth it

12100f is a great cpu

[sand blade]

no, ethernet

[burnt spear]

Cool, asrock b660 rs is $90 then

[sand blade]

Thank you

another thing, how do I choose a tpm, for windows 11

[burnt spear]

?

Tpm?

[sand blade]

erm like the tiny module

that you plug in

to make win 11 work

[dull flint]

boards come with firmware tpm's, you don't need to find a separate one

[sonic patrol]

I think every pc needs a wifi, but does it make a big diffrence in something?

[cursive epoch]

no

[vast meadow]

If wifi option gives you choices and also Bluetooth which is nice

[burnt spear]

If you're not using ethernet, you need wifi

[compact zenith]

When I do my new build tomorrow, it hit me I have an issue. I'm using a builders license as I don't want my license to transfer from my old system, but once I do the first bootup with new license, when I move my NVME from old to new system, can I somehow drop the key so the image takes the one for the new system?

Actually, nm, just realized what I need to do.

[cursive epoch]

If you have logged into an ms account with the last pc

[compact zenith]

I'll image my old system onto another slower NVME, keep that system running, then swap the fast NVME to new system, and after dropping key, it should pick up new builder key again.

[cursive epoch]

You can use that ms account to transfer the license

[compact zenith]

I got new builder licenses for the new machines. I just want to transfer the fast NVME over after, and drop the key on it for the builder one. I'm still going to use older machine, so don't want to transfer the license, just the setup.

Figure if I keep the old system running off another NVME, that the new system after it's been booted off the new license, it should let me drop the key that copied over and use the builder one, as long as the old systems still running?

[naive pendant]

I've asked this before but that was a while ago now I think

I'm planning very ahead for a full overhaul on my build, what's a good budget (as cheap as possible) replacement for my 3000G mostly used for Gaming and software Compilation, maybe the occasional video edit, blender, streaming, mess around what not that you try for a day and then get bored 😭

[compact zenith]

Reason I purchased new licenses, is it can cause problems when my kids go to college as the pro licenses are all part of a subscription and running a system out of network could cause the license to get voided. So purchased 3 builder licenses for the 3 new machines, so there is no risk.

[vast meadow]

you can always just not verify windows for free

or bring the key over to new pc and leave old unverified

[vast meadow]

what country? whats the rest of your parts and how much can you/wanna spend?

[naive pendant]

I need to spend as little as possible really, like the lowest that's realistically reasonable for a decent upgrade

and, US, FL

[vast meadow]

can you put what you have atm in pc part picker https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

[naive pendant]

my system is
3000G
Sapphire Pulse RX 570 4GB
MSI B450M Gaming Plus
EVGA...honestly I forget power supply (lmao it's EVGA smn tho)
and 16GB (8x2) of Adata XPG

[vast meadow]

have a look at the model of the psu, pretty important, you just want a cpu upgrade? cuz you have decent board

[naive pendant]

I know it's decent

I checked the ltt psu guide thing before I made the purchase

[compact zenith]

I'm booting up new PC with new license, all new equipment. To save time and not have to spend days doing reinstalling everything, after I boot under new license, going to copy the image from older PC to new, and I'm hoping if I'm correct, it will let me drop the license it copied over, and pull up the correct one I started the new machine under initially.

[naive pendant]

and asked here I think

for the psu

[vast meadow]

could just grab a ryzen 5 5600 for 165 or if youre near a microcenter you can get it for like 125 with this coupon https://www.microcenter.com/site/content/specialofferallprocessors.aspx?rd=1

[naive pendant]

at some point I want to upgrade the GPU, and maybe switch out the ram, maybe I'll just throw a new heatsink on it though

[vast meadow]

ehh id use stock cooler til you can afford better parts

[naive pendant]

I meant on the ram

cause my only gripe is the color really

I over locked them so speed is non issue

[vast meadow]

are they stable?

[naive pendant]

yeah

[vast meadow]

nah leave them without heatsinks they should be fine

[naive pendant]

so like

take them off?

or

💀

[vast meadow]

what you use to test? aslo you will have to redo ram oc with new cpu

[naive pendant]

they have them, their bright red, I'd like to change the color is what I mean

[vast meadow]

just leave em the way they are

[naive pendant]

I guess then

just don't like that they'd throw of a build but I also shouldn't complain since I'm broke 💀

[naive pendant]

I was discussing it over in #overclocking when I did it

[compact zenith]

Lyss, if your looking for a good GPU, at big savings, if you don't mind used, wait for the next crypt currency crash, eBay will be packed with them, but don't buy from anyone selling off a new account. Make sure the seller has a good reputation and accounts over five years old. New accounts tend to be scammers.

[naive pendant]

it was a while ago

[naive pendant]

this looks okay but can cheaper be done?

[compact zenith]

Be back in a bit

[naive pendant]

if it helps

I need to prioritize the CPU compile times

it's more important for that than gaming, granted both will be done on a daily-ish basis

but I really need it to be efficient at compilation

for cheap

even under 100 if possible if not I can cope

doesn't have to be new

[vast meadow]

No not really you might be able to get a used 3600 for like 90$ but 5600 is a good bit better

[naive pendant]

would it not 3700 > 5600/ 2700 > 3600 for compile times? guess I had that wrong

[hard leaf]

spending as little as possible is not a number... you need to have a base to start. put yourself the number and we can help you from there... 300-400-500-600... etc

[naive pendant]

I'll look into 3600's and if I can't find one insanely low I'll just grab a 5600 ig

[naive pendant]

I mean

I feel like the want would be clear though, as little as possible that would get the job needed done better than current, and I genuinely mean

as little as possible

like I said I would prefer under 100

I know that's not possible

why I just said as little as possible instead

[hard leaf]

yes, not possible, but saying a number like 100 is a good start

instead of "as little as possible"

if you say 100, then the answer is simple: not happening

[naive pendant]

I mean I was given an answer off of as little as possible around 100 🤷🏾‍♀️

quite literally means the cheapest logical option

[hard leaf]

right

[naive pendant]

like if you know this answer is "not happening"

it's just asking the that would, after

[hard leaf]

yeah i see pato already tried to help you with some option around that bracket 😛

[naive pendant]

right

[naive pendant]

🤷🏾‍♀️

[naive pendant]

actually

I know this isn't the case for the 5600 and 3700

but wasn't the jump from 2xxx to 3xxx less

like compiling is a core heavy task so

I would think it would be a lot closer between those?

[hard leaf]

like 20 to 30% difference in st/mc between those 2 generations

[naive pendant]

huh?

[hard leaf]

that's the performance difference between 2xxx to 3xxx

[naive pendant]

I guess I'll look up compile times myself to be sure

[burnt spear]

5600 has the same multi core performance as the 3700x, while having far better single core

[naive pendant]

yeah it seems for compiling generation matters more

I'll probably look at 3600 and if I get like

a great deal of funds then I'll look at 5600

[burnt spear]

Look at 12100f

Same multi core perf as 3600 and better single core

[hard leaf]

hes trying to upgrade his pc with as little as possible

so reusing his 450 mobo

[burnt spear]

Oh right they have an am4 mobo

[hard leaf]

so pato suggested a used 3600 for less than 90usd

[burnt spear]

Ye

[vast meadow]

5600 and 3700x bout tied in multi core

[naive pendant]

wb 2700 and 3600

[burnt spear]

2700 has a good bit worse single core

Similar multi

[naive pendant]

hmm alright

[grizzled bloom]

My 2700 throttled most games with a 2070 (3060 equivalent)

And that was overclocked

[naive pendant]

I mean I have a 570

so for a long time

that won't be an issue 💀

[hard leaf]

why dont you save a lil more and go straight to a 5600, you will save a lot more on the long run... personally i feel a waste of money to look for a used 2700

thats just my opinion

[grizzled bloom]

RX570 is about equal to a 1060 which was ok paired with the 2700, but it still hurt in heavily single threaded games like strategy and MMO titles.

[naive pendant]

hmm

okay, noted

[naive pendant]

there's a chance I may not get enough for either for years

so I at least want to consider my lowest point options

and if I, in a zoomer way to put it

"get the come up"

then I'll shoot for something better

until then I consider the cheaper of two evils

[burnt spear]

Are you doing multi core loads?

If not, 3300x is an option

I'd get a 3300x over a 2700x personally

[naive pendant]

yeah that's the whole thing

[burnt spear]

Ah alr

[naive pendant]

I'm doing compiling

depends on high core count

or at least very fast cores

[burnt spear]

Then yeah, 2700 over 3300

[naive pendant]

but at 3600 over 2700 I assume

[burnt spear]

100%

[naive pendant]

alright

[naive pendant]

if I had unlimited funds I'd probably look at the 5700X3D or whatever it's called, not gonna pay for more than I need and that has high core count on fast cores

[burnt spear]

5800x3d pointless if you're doing compiling

You'd want the 5900x or 5950x

[naive pendant]

certainly would very much so not have the money for either. but even in the situation that I did I feel like there's a point where you're probably paying for more than is needed and for me personally 5700 --> 5900 would be reaching it about

[burnt spear]

Ye

[grizzled bloom]

Raptor lake launch planned for 10/22 confirmed by multiple sources. That's about 4 weeks after Zen 4.

[upper aspen]

Bruh didn’t 12th gen just come out

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah... A year ago

[burnt spear]

Intel tends to release about every year or so

[grizzled bloom]

AMD too but they skipped a year this time to let DDR5 stock stabilize

[amber canopy]

Do you guys like my RGB ram

[main pulsar]

so based

[grizzled bloom]

R/technicallythetruth

[tight swallow]

I’m tryna update my bios as I’m about to install a new cpu, am I missing a file here? Doesn’t really make sense as I took the entire folder I extracted from the zip file and copied it onto a usb

[hard leaf]

just follow your motherboard manufacturer instructions

even if those dont make sense

[tight swallow]

thanks bios

[tight swallow]

funny thing is that I followed them exactly

now I’m tryna figure out how literally just exiting bios broke my pc

[hard leaf]

that doesnt seem a bios problem

if you have a bios problem your pc wont even boot

[tight swallow]

I literally just exited bios while discarding changes and now my pc is having a brain hernia tryna fix a problem that doesn’t exist

here’s the instructions for the bios update I trying to do

I followed the first 4 steps perfectly and then part way through step 4 it says no image file detected

[hard leaf]

all the files are unpacked onto the drive?

[tight swallow]

I extracted them onto my pc

then copied the folder that held all the files on to a usb

[hard leaf]

this is the only file that should be on your drive

not a folder, not a ton of files, just that one

[tight swallow]

there’s only 1 file?

why does the zip file contain 581 of them

[hard leaf]

here is another for the z690 taichi edition

yes

you need only one file on the usb

the .ROM file

[tight swallow]

okay and so I just need to extract the zip file and it’s somewhere in there?

[hard leaf]

you have to download it from the official page, it will download one zip file with the rom inside

and that the only file that should be on your thumb drive

which mobo do you have?

[tight swallow]

asrock b450m pro4

I currently have version 1.6 and am trying to update to 2.0 as I need to do that before updating to later versions

[hard leaf]

really?

😮

[hard leaf]

they are on version 5.3

oh ok

[tight swallow]

yep

[hard leaf]

i see what you did there

[tight swallow]

that’s what I’m going to after I get to 2.0

[hard leaf]

you downloaded this

[tight swallow]

yeah

[hard leaf]

you need to run that on windows

[tight swallow]

run what

the setup?

[hard leaf]

yes

after you installed that then you proceed to download the rom on the global button

and pack the rom onto the drive

[tight swallow]

just open it or run as administrator

[hard leaf]

its an installer

its a vga support to help you upgrade future bios on that mobo

after you install that program then you download the rom, should be this one for 2.0

thats the only file that should be on the thumb drive

[tight swallow]

alright so wait once i’ve installed the application I don’t have to do anything with it

[hard leaf]

according to asrock, no

however the next version , the 3.1 also need a new vga driver

and so on

man, you have a long road to walk

[tight swallow]

😞

alright I’ve got the rom file on my flash drive

[hard leaf]

and the video drivers already installed?

then according to asrock you should be good to go on your bios update

[tight swallow]

what do you mean

[hard leaf]

100% poistive on the 2.00 rom right?

[hard leaf]

the program you previously had, the one with a zillion folders

[tight swallow]

yeah I installed it, exited out once it was done

[hard leaf]

then you are good to go

go bios, put the drive, and flash it

[tight swallow]

here’s the file

[hard leaf]

seems like you need to repeat all the steps till version 3.5

from 3.5 and beyond you dont need to download an additional vga driver anymore

[tight swallow]

I can’t just go from 2.0 to 5.3? 🥲

[hard leaf]

not sure, hard to recommend

some mobos can, some not

[tight swallow]

guess I’ll be up a while longer

[hard leaf]

better to take the long and slow aproach

[cursive epoch]

^

update one version after another

[tight swallow]

but once I reach 3.5 I’m all good?

[hard leaf]

according to asrock, once you reach 3.5 you no longer need to download a vga driver

after that you still need to upgrade one step at a time

[tight swallow]

oh

fun

[hard leaf]

3.4 to 3.6 to 3.9... and so on

[cursive epoch]

and pray no blackouts happens

[hard leaf]

if you try a hard jump to 5.0 then you could in the best scenario work, in the worst brick your mobo

so, one step at a time

[tight swallow]

already blue screened exiting bios lmao

[hard leaf]

yeah but thats a drive problem

[cursive epoch]

if you brick it, you'll need a separate pc and a bios flash tool

to wipe the bios and reflash

[hard leaf]

if you eff up your bios you will no longer post, blue screen could be another problem

[tight swallow]

even more fun

hopefully it doesn’t happen this time around

[hard leaf]

thats why bios updates are dangerous if you try to rush it

take you time, slow and steady

and as foxy said: pray no blackouts happen

[tight swallow]

looks promising

65% done so far

[hard leaf]

remember, rinse and repeat for every other version up to 3.5

download the vga driver, install, download the rom, delete the old rom from the thumb drive, copy the new one and flash the bios

after 3.5 you will only need the rom file

[tight swallow]

and hopefully all will go as planned

[hard leaf]

yeah

[tight swallow]

uhhhhh

at least the update completed

bios sure doesn’t like it when I exit

[hard leaf]

that bsod isnt from the bios, its a problem on your boot drive

[tight swallow]

how would I even fix that

[hard leaf]

hopefully someone with more experience on that field will come and help you, that one is beyond my area of expertise 😦

either way, that is not tied to your bios, but your boot drive or even you windows installation

maybe a corrupted file or a corrupted sector

[tight swallow]

fun stuff

[hard leaf]

when i see things like that i take the lazy route: save all my files into the cloud and wipe hard the whole drive

[tight swallow]

we did it

[hard leaf]

yay

remember, one update at a time

[tight swallow]

guess I’m just going to have to deal with getting a heart attack every time I exit bios and get a bsod

[hard leaf]

just follow the instructions and everything will be fine

[tight swallow]

I have to update bios…..

14 more times…

[hard leaf]

yeah, my lazy guess its a corrupted windows file or sector

but the solution could be easier than we think, for now just focus on the bios updates

[tight swallow]

sounds good

I appreciate all the help by now

I probably would have blown up my computer by now if it weren’t for you

[hard leaf]

feel free to ask anytime, there is always someone around to help you in any tech issue you may have

[hard leaf]

good thing you asked, some users blow the system first and then ask questions later

[tight swallow]

one thing I’m worried about though, I have a raven ridge cpu currently in my pc, and starting from update 3.6 onwards it’s not recommended to update

[hard leaf]

then stop at the 3.6 update

[tight swallow]

but the whole point of this is to install my new 5600x

[hard leaf]

oh

[tight swallow]

So how should I go about doing this

[hard leaf]

for now keep going

to 3.5

[tight swallow]

but once I get there, do I keep going, or jump to 5.3, or install the 5600x

[hard leaf]

ok, can you confirm if you have a bios button on the back of your mobo?

on the IO shield

[tight swallow]

I can’t really access the back of my mobo

[hard leaf]

the back of your pc i mean

where the peripherals are connected

[tight swallow]

what would it look like exactly

[hard leaf]

doesnt matter. look the procedure is, update to 3.5

after that you have to download the 4.6 bios update

you will jump all the bios in between

[tight swallow]

alright

[hard leaf]

after the 4.6 update is complete the bios will save and exit and it will not boot again with your cpu

swap the cpus and you should be good to go

[tight swallow]

alright and should I just stop there or keep going till 5.3

[hard leaf]

you can keep going, generally bios updates bring qol features

bios updates from 3.5 to 4.6 are just compatibility support on some ssd and the support for the ruyzen 3000 series

[tight swallow]

and is the reason I’m jumping to 4.6 as it’s the first update compatible with the 5600x?

[hard leaf]

you can jump over those safely

[hard leaf]

yes

3.5 is the last recommended bios update on your cpu

you will need to jump to 4.6 directly after that

if you bios to 3.6 you will risk your bios not to boot anymore on your current cpu

[tight swallow]

and so once I do that it won’t boot with my current cpu?

[hard leaf]

exactly

[tight swallow]

alright

[hard leaf]

once you make the 4.6 update, you will exit the bios, turn off your pc, turn off the psu, pull the cable from the wall and press the power button for at least 10 seconds before doing any cpu replacement procedure

that way you will discharge any caps on the system to prevent any electircal discharge while dismounting and mounting the new cpu

its a safety procedure

never work on your pc with the power cable plugged into the wall

[tight swallow]

aight will do

@hard leaf just to be 100% sure, I install the 4.6 before switching cpus

[hard leaf]

yes

after the update is done the pc "could" not boot again

until you swap the cpu to the 5600x

"could" because there is a slight chance that it will boot again with your old cpu, just not as stable as before

so, after you make the 4.6 update, exit bios and turn off the pc and do the safety procedures to start the swap

[scenic solar]

Can't figure out what form factor a 190×190mm motherboard is... Thicc-Mini-itx? 🤌

[hard leaf]

smells like a oem mobo

but yeah thicc mini atx sounds about right xD

[scenic solar]

It's an asrock h310cm
But I guess the couldn't go mini itx and they decided to add those 2cm more

[compact zenith]

I'm now in a quandary. Got the parts for my kids builds for Xmas, but if any part it bad, that's past Neweggs 30 days and you all know what warranty fixes or replacement takes.

Not sure if I should just do this now, since needed for school, than wait and find out something is bad.

[grizzled bloom]

There's 2 options. Build and test them now, or trust that if there's an issue later it'll fall under warranty.

[compact zenith]

Most likely going to build new system today.

Was thinking, build new system, all new parts, install the windows 10 pro builders copy and update. Once the key is locked in, add a second NVME with the older machines cloned image and drop the key from it, and replace it with the builders key, so the older machine keeps it's license, and I don't have to spend a week reinstalling and configuring all the programs again.

[hard leaf]

if you are getting 12th gen cpus then go straight to win11

e-cores are badly used on win10... if used at all

[compact zenith]

The builders licenses and install DVD are Windows 10, upgradable to 11.

[hard leaf]

then as soon as win 10 is on just upgrade it to 11

win10 cant discern p cores from e cores

[compact zenith]

Good to know, thanks.

One of my kids teachers offered to help a few days back and I declined as nicely as I could. Their friends told me their teacher last year insisted on showing them how to build several systems the school got, and my jaw still sore from cringing when I was told he put the thermal paste into the CPU socket of 6 machines, instead of on top of the CPU. I won't let him near mine!

In 36 years of system building, I only made two bad mistakes. One was blowing the circuit board of a 1050 disk drive when 9 volt cord disconnected from light and touched the PCB, the other putting on a SCSI cable backwards. Thermal paste in CPU sockets, big nope.

Oh, nm, now I feel bad. The teacher told them the story, they didn't make that mistake.

[scenic solar]

Fresh pins 💀

[rigid crag]

hey im having some trouble with my ryzen 5 2600 and my msi b350

my pc starts up and the fans ramp up to max right away and the pc wont post

the motherboard is display the cpu ez debug light

displaying*

ive tried reseating the gpu, cpu, cooler

ive tried resetting the cmos battery via the prongs and just taking the battery out

ive heard not so nice things online that my cpu may be done for, is this true??

[main pulsar]

did you reseat the memory?

[rigid crag]

?

ive reseated the ram if thats what you mean

[main pulsar]

yes

[rigid crag]

i did yeah

im not busy atm i can get on a call and show you

if you can it would mean alot

im desperate for solutions

and praying i dont need a new gpu

[main pulsar]

pull the cmos battery, gpu, and memory out

[rigid crag]

cpu*

and then what?

[main pulsar]

just take em right out

then try starting the pc and see what it does

[rigid crag]

ok one dec

sec

[main pulsar]

i assume this problem randomly started occurring?

[rigid crag]

pc crashed and then it wouldnt boot yeah

ok its all out

booting pc now

it wont start lol

wait no im dumb

i didnt plug it in 💀

[main pulsar]

what was it doing when it crashed? was there like a storm outside?

[rigid crag]

no

i was playing a game

ok pc started

cpu light is still on

its making a funny buzzing noise?

should i plug my inputs into the motherboard

[main pulsar]

are you positive its the cpu light and not one of the others?

[rigid crag]

like my graphics inputs

[main pulsar]

they can be hard to see

[rigid crag]

im positive

it says cpu

[main pulsar]

the 2600 doesnt have an iGPU

[rigid crag]

yeah ik

[main pulsar]

so the display wouldnt help

[rigid crag]

but yea it says cpu

im positive i looked real close just now

[main pulsar]

is what its doing now seem any different than before?

[rigid crag]

uh

[main pulsar]

are the fans at a normal speed

[rigid crag]

the fan isnt loud

cause the graphics card fan wasnt ramping

[main pulsar]

oh it was the gpu fan

[rigid crag]

yes

no clue why

happens when i thermal throttle but never on startup

[main pulsar]

ok shut it down and put in a single stick of ram

[rigid crag]

got it

[main pulsar]

would you say the system is really dusty inside?

[rigid crag]

un

heah

yeah

pretty dusty

i havent dusted in a min

[main pulsar]

do you have anything you could do that with?

like compressed air?

[rigid crag]

dust what specifically?

the fans or the case

[main pulsar]

all of it

[rigid crag]

or all of it

i can go buy some?

like i can walk to the store

[main pulsar]

yeah, walmart has it

you dont have to have to, but it would help

alternatively, you can clean the ram contacts

with like iso alcohol, then insert it into the slot

[rigid crag]

i dont think i got iso alcohol

[main pulsar]

damb

[rigid crag]

i can clean the whole pc with a rag tho

[main pulsar]

ehh

[rigid crag]

to get the dust out

its something for now

[main pulsar]

you cant really clean the ram slots like that