cpus-mobo-and-memory

[frosty depot]

inb4 they received package/slapped a return label on it/sent it back. All without even opening the package

[vast meadow]

Same thing happened with my first OnePlus rma, they sent it to poland and it was back in 3 days, granted they didn't actually fix the problem lol

[naive pendant]

Does anyone know why my capacitor blew up?

[scenic solar]

Maybe too much voltage?

Voltage peak from PSU

That's pretty bad, you usually can't replace them on a motherboard

[vast meadow]

Could just be unlucky or something need a bit more detail, what motherboard, cpu if you where cpu ocing

[scenic solar]

Btw capacitors can also die overtime
Even if newer ones have a estimated lifespan of over 20 years

[amber canopy]

[naive pendant]

Gigabyte aorus z590 ax lga 1200

I5 10400f

I had just built the system

Was about 15 minutes into using it, was installing discord and stuff

And then it just blew out

[eternal helm]

sounds to me like a qc issue

see if you can return the board

10400f couldnt come close to pulling enough power to hurt a cap realistically on that board

[cursive epoch]

gigglebyte qc go brr

gotta rma

[errant grail]

hows 12400f compare to 5600x gaming wise?

[eternal helm]

pretty close

ofc some games will favor 5600x due to more cache but theyre pretty close on average

[errant grail]

ah i see thanks bought it earlier and pairing it with 3060ti

[eternal helm]

nice

[cerulean wadi]

"You much be rich, with 2 pcs". A play on mikey J Fox in Back to the future mentioning owning 2 tvs as a kid.

[cursive epoch]

i have a laptop and a desktop

and im far from rich

very very far from it

[errant grail]

nah building for a friend

lol he payed me already

[cerulean wadi]

ok for the unenlightened, lol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL6FVnwsW84

[grizzled bloom]

Well I got my motherboard back from MSI. They claim it was repaired. I'm guessing they flashed the non-beta bios and called it a day because it's not booting with the CPU light on. No one bothered to check if that bios was compatible with my processor. It is not. I'll verify this tomorrow, this is just my suspicions.

[spark gate]

I am using an amd ryzen 5 3400g apu. How much ram does it use or take for its integrated graphics card? I would like to know how much memory would be left for the ram.

[scenic solar]

It'll take 2.1GB

[spark gate]

Can I ask how to know?

[scenic solar]

It's Vega 11, it takes ~2GB of your ram, Vega 7-8 take 1GB

[spark gate]

I see.

[scenic solar]

You basically look at what iGPU your CPU uses

Yours uses a vega11

[spark gate]

Thanks.

[vast meadow]

Sounds like you got unlucky, might be able to return to retailer, no harm anyway because that's a 2 year old cpu would go 12400f +b660 board

[ripe wharf]

Overcurrent detected after installing wifi card

This isnt for me

But what are possible fixes

[short sage]

Which z690 board should I get? Pairing with an intel i5 12600k

[hollow thorn]

Z690-a ddr4 is a simple and cheap option

[short sage]

Is that the MSI one

I was looking into that one vs the asus prime but Im having trouble deciding

The asus prime z690-p wifi is on sale for 199 rn but im not sure how that compares

[vast meadow]

yes

[vast meadow]

meh tbh

[short sage]

oh fr

What would you suggest

[vast meadow]

msi z690 a pro ddr4 like mr2 said

[short sage]

gotcha, thanks 👍

will that one need a BIOS update for 12600k?

[vast meadow]

nope

[short sage]

sweet

[burnt spear]

Do you plan to oc it?

If not, just msi b660 mag bazooka

[short sage]

yeah i do

i would def go with the msi mag b660 if not but im planning on doing a good amount of oc

thank you though 👍

[spark gate]

I just downloaded some drivers that are available in the ASUS Armoury Crate. So does this mean theres no more need to install the AMD adrenaline driver software for the cpu?

[grizzled bloom]

That version will do but it's often outdated. If you have weird issues or inexplicably slow drives it's worth updating with the package from AMD.

[cursive epoch]

^

[steel bluff]

Hey I got a sorta weird question I’m tryna buy a used motherboard CPU combo off a person they said that they’re selling it cheap because its banned on valorant I asked him to elaborate and he said that he tried making an alt to ban evade and it didn’t work he tried using a vpn and creating an account but that didn’t work either. I honestly can’t see this being a real thing like if I buy this off of him set it up at a different location with a different network making a account it wouldn’t be banned would it?

[cursive epoch]

Valorant's anticheat, Vanguard can apply hardware ban for motherboards. And no, logging any accounts into that banned mobo will get your account banned for that board.

So short answer is, don't buy it if you plan to play the game

[steel bluff]

Ic ic

Tysm

[long geyser]

@cursive epoch @steel bluff Val bans based of TPM ID, which you can spoof. If you know how to do that, then that hardware can be safe.

[eternal helm]

sometimes just random bad quality

same thing with any component, has a chance to die

i would say a massive power surge/lightning strike but i dont think that happened while you were using it

[limber dragon]

first of all, overclocking will not make a capacitor explode lmao

second they usually die from 1 of 3 things:
heat while in operation
overvoltage
randomly dying

[limber dragon]

to get a power surge to kill a mobo cap, it would have to get all the way through the psu

[eternal helm]

Yea

It'd be really unlikely but if it was a major surge and PSU protections didn't do their job, it's possible

[limber dragon]

not protections from the psu, but the psu has caps on its own that will fail before a mobo's does

[eternal helm]

Also it's a 10400f on z590

So that eliminates some of the possibilities

And it was working for like 15mins fine then just randomly blew

[limber dragon]

oh, their cap exploded?

[cursive epoch]

yep

[eternal helm]

Burnt up

[limber dragon]

most likely a mosfet failing, sending full voltage to the cap

[eternal helm]

Must have

It's assrock so you can't be too suprised

[limber dragon]

12v input caps are usually 16v or 25v, and vcore caps are 2.5v on low end board, 6.3 on high end, but sending 12v to it will go either way

[eternal helm]

Just kinda weird it'd randomly decide to burn up like 15 mins in

They were just downloading games and stuff iirc

[limber dragon]

yeah, sounds more like a faulty mosfet that went full yeet once it failed

[eternal helm]

Probs

Actually it was a gigacrap bosrd

Wasn't asrock

I remember them not knowing how to do gigabytes 2005 website lookin ass rma

[limber dragon]

either way, they've left the server now

[eternal helm]

Not by choice

Escy got em

[limber dragon]

euf

[eternal helm]

L + ratio moment

[cursive epoch]

lol

we won't be helping him anymore

[scenic solar]

Still don't get this:
Why intel non-k CPUs have a max boost listed on their website?
Example: 12400(f) 2.5GHz base and 4.4boost
Can they be overclocked with particular mobos or is it always like BCLK oc and higher multiplier?

Why is intel OCing so complicated?

[burnt spear]

the boost is without an oc

it will hit that under load

a k and non k 12700 have the same boost clock without an oc

[scenic solar]

Aaah

I didn't know that

So that means the base clock is the one where it doesn't go lower than that right?

So basically an i5 9400f can go up to 4.1 max with base freq
Now I understand
Thank you so much frog fogr gofr grof forg

[burnt spear]

np

[hidden flax]

does anyone know of some good intro level literature for computer science / computer hardware?

[scenic solar]

@burnt spear so for intel CPU OC a K CPU is required but also a motherboard? I mean do you always need a motherboard that supports OCing?

[grizzled bloom]

How intro level are we talking? How to use a browser or how to upgrade the PC level?

[burnt spear]

You also need a z_90

[grizzled bloom]

Intel is complicated like that. 400 series chipset and older if you even wanted to use xmp on your memory you needed a Z chipset board.

500 and 600 allow the B560 and B660 to use XMP

Almost all of the "modern" boards allow bclk overclock

But if you want to adjust any CPU parameters like increased voltage or multiplier, you need a Z chipset board and K CPU

AMD is much simpler, overclocking for everyone! Lol

[vast meadow]

All cpus boost 2.5ghz is the base - smallest clock it does by default ie idle or throttling

[vast meadow]

Except A boards :)

But a boards are pointless half the time they're more than a b board

[scenic solar]

Basically any and CPU can by OCed with any motherboard

[grizzled bloom]

Some A's have overclocking options, it's up to the vendor

[vast meadow]

Ahh

[scenic solar]

Form my experience

[vast meadow]

Ax20 is weird chipset

[grizzled bloom]

Any motherboard worth using at least allows oc, yeah

And let's be honest you're not getting an A320 to put a 5950X on it, maybe a 3100/3200g

[vast meadow]

But a520 exists x)

[grizzled bloom]

Yes technically but how many boards use it besides garbo HP ones

There's what, 4 models?

[scenic solar]

Remember people OCing locked processors using tape, causing BCLK to set to higher clocks

[grizzled bloom]

Ok there's a few more than I thought

[vast meadow]

I there's an aorus one lol

[grizzled bloom]

Idk why anyone would get A520 over B550, it's only $25 difference for way more options and I/O

[scenic solar]

B550

[vast meadow]

I guess ppl who buy 3000gs

[scenic solar]

Probably, many motherboards removed support for G processors

[vast meadow]

Eh no, stuff like b550 doesn't (or didn't) work with zen 1 processors that just includes the 2000g line etc

[scenic solar]

Yeah, I meant that many b550 don't support older and some G processors

[grizzled bloom]

There's specific ridges that are removed, which ones depends on vendor. Raven ridge is commonly removed

[scenic solar]

That's why you may need to buy a A520

[grizzled bloom]

This is why I like having X470, I'm literally compatible with every Zen CPU

[vast meadow]

Yeah just needa change bios versions

[grizzled bloom]

AM4 ones I mean

[scenic solar]

Good for troubleshooting if you need iGPU

[vast meadow]

Time to stick a 5950x in my b450 ds3h

[grizzled bloom]

On the MAX boards you don't even need to do that, they have larger bios flash memory

[scenic solar]

Time to stick i5 6400 in my b550

[vast meadow]

Fancy

[grizzled bloom]

Maybe on a B650 when we're on LGA

[scenic solar]

I'll make sure to use tape to secure my CPU to the socket

[hidden flax]

@grizzled bloom Intro like built a decent PC, just want to learn more without spending a lot of money on more hardware.

[grizzled bloom]

There's no central source for everything I'm aware of on that topic but I can tell you it's better to watch videos than to read about that. All the major YouTubers have videos on how to build, and we can help pick out parts so you don't overpay. We'll tell you why we picked each one too if you ask.

[hidden flax]

Ok. @grizzled bloom So I've built a PC already and that's why I'm interested in exactly how things mesh. Protocols, pcie lanes, stuff on the hardware side. I then want to research programming (later on.)

I would continue to do more building and learning that way but I'm sure you know that the money adds up

[grizzled bloom]

I see. Let me see what I can dig up

@hidden flax This seems like a decent resource https://teachyourselfcs.com/

[hidden flax]

Thanks I'm checking it out now.

[hidden flax]

@grizzled bloom Hey I'm checking this course out and it's great to have a set curriculum, but, there's just one problem: it says it's for people already competent in programming. Do you know of anything on a little bit lower level? Introductory level, I guess.

[midnight pollen]

there is always the very entry level stuff they use in schools like code.org

or I think there are some arduino simulators if your into hardware as well

[hidden flax]

I'll check it out. I'm just trying to learn more about PC hardware and protocols. thanks!

[frosty depot]

I think I'm gonna check this out too

Thank you

[glass shell]

Hi there so i recently upgraded my mobo that on the manual it says i can use 2666 mghz for memory but looking over crucial’s memory reader it said i could use 3200. I installed the 2 sticks of memory i had which were 3200 but it was going through a loop with no boot screen. Am i stuck at 2666 or is it possible to upgrade it to 3200? My bios is upgraded to the most recent version and i think i have a single stick of ram i could use to open the bios

[eternal helm]

What motherboard and CPU?

[glass shell]

Gigabyte Aorus z370 ulta gaming wifi with an i7-9700k

[grizzled bloom]

Z370 should do 3600 with minimal effort, and if you push it maybe 4000

[limber dragon]

welcome to ttop gigabyte

3400-3600 was max you could really get with 2 sticks

[grizzled bloom]

Oh was that a bad aorus model?

[limber dragon]

up to z390, they were ttop for a good amount of time

[grizzled bloom]

I guess I'm spoiled by Z490

[glass shell]

My only issue is with the 2 sticks i have that are rated for 3200 it throws the pc into a boot loop where it doesn’t even allow me to open the bios

[limber dragon]

I would try remounting the ram, check if there's any oils on the fingers and try again, it should do 3200

also try putting your old ram in, check for a bios update and see if that helps

[grizzled bloom]

Clearing CMOS can help, and you can increase some voltages related to memory to help stabilize when you enable xmp again

[limber dragon]

its all mobo side, doubt voltages will help

the traces were just that bad

[grizzled bloom]

Ouch

[limber dragon]

iirc most were 4 layer boards, with ultra and master being 6 (which doesnt help)

[glass shell]

Ill take a look into it and see if theyre dirty cause they are mounted properly. Plus i took one out to see if it would boot with just the one and it was still going through a boot loop.

[grizzled bloom]

4 layers? 🤣

[glass shell]

So finally got it to boot but according to the bios one stick is clocked at 2666 while the other is 2133 is it purposely dropping the performance

[limber dragon]

it isnt doing that, the channels have to be at the same speed

are the sticks in slots 2 and 4?

1 being closest to the cpu

[glass shell]

They are yes

[limber dragon]

I would set 2133 for both sticks, boot up and update bios

[eternal helm]

Iirc bios is already updated to most recent

[limber dragon]

I'd still double check (cpuz -> mainboard -> bios version) and check vs webpage

[eternal helm]

Yea may as well

[limber dragon]

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z370-AORUS-ULTRA-GAMING-WIFI-rev-10/support#support-dl-bios should say F15

[glass shell]

yep thats exactly what its updated to f15

[vast meadow]

I mean rommy ran 4000mhz on her z390 so guess it just depends on the board

[fair apex]

cool

[amber canopy]

facts

[fair apex]

But now the POW mechanism is becoming less and less viable, and Ethernet 2.0 will be merged.

[cursive epoch]

how is this related to mining

[vernal cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-gif-23999135

[wintry girder]

I heard flight sim is really cpu intensive, do u think a 12100f would be enough to play at medium settings 60fps?

[grizzled bloom]

It depends on a lot of things. If you're doing texture streaming it takes more resources than having all the files local.
Given a good GPU to pair with it I'd expect 1080p medium to be good though. Maybe some settings on high.

[wintry girder]

Would you consider a 6600 good?

[vast meadow]

Yes

[cerulean wadi]

The rightful place for LPX.

[haughty cedar]

anyone running a 5800x3d on a b450 board?

[hearty cave]

I've been told multiple times that 64g is overkill and can sometimes be bad. BTW I'm not intending on purchasing and/or using 64g of ram. How/is it really bad?

[grizzled bloom]

It can actively hurt your performance by forcing you to run slower speeds and timings. 3200 is often the max, 3600 if you're lucky or good at overclocking.

It's easier for a memory controller to run 16gb at 4400 than it is to run 64gb at 3600

[grizzled bloom]

I have a 5800X on a mid tier X470 board. I don't generally recommend it but it's possible. You'll want to make sure you have good VRMs.

[grizzled bloom]

Some people just want to watch the world burn https://youtu.be/v08FWIvrYGU

[patent iris]

Legit had me chuckling

https://youtu.be/yHvScIl1XGk

[main pulsar]

ill bet thats a rick roll

i aint touchin it

[vast meadow]

It's "cpu battle amd vs intel"

[vast meadow]

https://youtu.be/OokKoNO75QE

Fun

[amber canopy]

wow the video isnt 40+ minutes long

[vast meadow]

How dare you insult buildzoid

[grizzled bloom]

It's not an insult, it takes a special person to be able to talk for 2 hours straight and have most of it be useful info

[vast meadow]

Ok fair

[uncut fjord]

hey, so i'm looking to upgrade my cpu and mobo cause i've been having issues running warzone on near max graphics... according to the scalers it says i should be WELL within the limit... but there's still MASSIVE drops in framerate.
currently i have an i5 9400. should i be having that much issues? or is it more than likely the game?

[grizzled bloom]

That game is really hard on the memory, and memory speeds impact frame drops a lot

Iirc the limit is 2933 on that gen without a Z chipset

Which is really low by modern standards

[uncut fjord]

so then an update would definitely be befitting?

[burnt spear]

What gpu do you have?

[uncut fjord]

3060 12gb

[grizzled bloom]

A 12400f would be a great upgrade over that, or if you can wait a bit next gen launches in a few months

AMD is expected to launch their full lineup all at once, Intel we don't know yet

[burnt spear]

Are you trying to run rtx?

If so, that's prolly your issue

[uncut fjord]

it is an RTX graphics card, but i don't do anything extra

[long owl]

3060 isn't gonna be easy doing war zone maxed, & that 9400 will effect min/avg fps also. 12th/13th Gen would be a solid change, just skip the 12100.

[hard leaf]

theres no 13th gen... yet

which is sad 😦

[uncut fjord]

wish i had the money to go newest gen... but i've been struggling to find a 12th gen in my price range with the mobo :/ the one linked last month would have been perfect

[burnt spear]

12400f is $150 sometimes, b660 mag bazooka is $130

5600 might still be $145, 12400f might still be $150

Not sure

[uncut fjord]

fair... i've been looking at the higher end 12th gens i guess... cause bundles are running 5-7 hundred

[burnt spear]

12700f is $312, and can run on the mag bazooka

[grizzled bloom]

October is supposedly the launch

[burnt spear]

12600kf is $255

[hard leaf]

wake me up when october hits

[hard leaf]

those bundles usually are a k version and some expensive z690 mobo

overkill for most people and their wallets

[uncut fjord]

yeah but i'm also trying to make it where i don't have to upgrade AGAIN "tomorrow" basically

[hard leaf]

better to get the bazooka and F version

well, the "tomorrow" will be in a couple months, 13th gen ad 700 series mobos

also a 660 will last a long time for the casual user, 690 are only useful for overclockers

12400f/12700f and the 660 bazooka could potentially last you for a couple years

like 3/4 years minimum

[cerulean wadi]

13th gen perhaps then, unless 12600K(F hits $230 or less. Longer term them Ecores probably not a bad idea.

[grizzled bloom]

There's more e-cores on 13th gen across the board so it'll worth waiting just for that

[frosty depot]

I'm excited for 13th gen for sure.

[gleaming goblet]

Anyone familiar with the Asus ProArt B660 Creator D4 motherboard?

[karmic perch]

DDR5 vs DDR4

[burnt spear]

Ddr4

[karmic perch]

AMD new platform will ban DDR4

[burnt spear]

That's an odd way of putting it, but yeah?

[frosty depot]

It sounds like they are going to release chips that support ddr4

[karmic perch]

I heard some news for this. Maybe that is a rumor.

[frosty depot]

Only time will tell.

[grizzled bloom]

What they're saying is AM4 isn't a dead platform and there will probably be more chips on it. Those of course will support DDR4. Maybe that's what you're thinking of.

[frosty depot]

Huh?

I was talking about zen 4 supporting ddr4

[hollow thorn]

https://www.techpowerup.com/282637/amd-socket-am5-package-underside-pictured

Am5 ddr5 only

Unless they put Zen 4 on am4 for some reason

[frosty depot]

https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/ryzen-7000-zen-4-cpus-ddr4-support#:~:text=Upgrading your gaming PC with,to launch DDR4 compatible chips.

Like guy said up above.. rumour

But still its out there that it could be a thing.

[grizzled bloom]

They're talking about putting some zen4 chips on AM4, yeah

What form they take, the engineers don't even know for sure yet

[hollow thorn]

Ye, am5 is supposed to be ddr5 only, if they put chips on am4, dunno, we'll see

I doubt they'll put higher end chips in a platform where they can't advertise connectivity though, so I'm imaging like a revival of smth like the 3100/3300x

Although it just sounds like a pain

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah it'll be lower SKU or APUs

[hollow thorn]

Imagine having to develop the io die all over again because your lower end chips have different capabilities

But we'll see

[grizzled bloom]

The interview with the engineer I saw, he seemed excited about the challenge

[hollow thorn]

Lol

[vast meadow]

Yes pretty big waste of money why?

[grizzled bloom]

It's actually not too bad in Canada

[vast meadow]

Oh really what price is it?

[grizzled bloom]

One of the cheaper full ATX

Ah looks like the sale ended, it's 280 cad again

[vast meadow]

Ah yeah back to overpriced

[amber canopy]

"most" 🤔

[grizzled bloom]

Well sure you have to listen at 1.25x speed, and there's a good bit of silence while things are loading, but yeah in general it's good info

[vast meadow]

https://securelist.com/cosmicstrand-uefi-firmware-rootkit/106973/

Ruh roh

[grizzled bloom]

Always nice when they find rootkits in the bios. Asus got caught with one of those too, remember? It would auto install an armoury crate install reminder app, even without an Internet connection.

[vast meadow]

Oh yes

Gross

[left steppe]

hey can anyone dm me and tell me if i could match these two ram sticks? i have the pictures but i’m not lvl 3 yet

[frosty depot]

Are they the same brand model ram sticks?

[left steppe]

no not the same brand

[frosty depot]

Then no

[left steppe]

even if they are both ddr4 3200?

[vast meadow]

Possibly

What sticks

Brand and model

[left steppe]

could i send you them?

[vast meadow]

Sure

[left steppe]

okay i pm you

[vast meadow]

@left steppe do you have either of the kits?

[left steppe]

i have one right now

[vast meadow]

Ah

We would need to see the exact sticks for both

Which ones do you have now?

[left steppe]

i’m aware that you probably should get the same brand but yeah. i have the forza

[vast meadow]

Can you send me a picture of the labels on the sticks

I might be able to tell which die it is

[dull flint]

Neo forza?

[left steppe]

or maybe you can tell me another pair of rgb sticks that can go with them

[vast meadow]

Need to see your current ones first

So i can try best match but it's a bit of a gamble

Safest bet is to sell your current ram and just go 2x16gb anyway

[grizzled bloom]

Once we know the die they used we can find a matching option from eBay or something that shows the sticker

[left steppe]

cant take a picture right now

[grizzled bloom]

Used memory is fine btw, no moving parts and they wear very slowly

[left steppe]

i don’t have a box or anything is that fine?

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah

[left steppe]

alright give me one second

ebay’s gonna be the best place?

[grizzled bloom]

For a cheap used kit that you know matches what you have, yes.

[primal roost]

FIrst time post - don't know if I'm in the correct place, but I'm searching for Ipads that are from an authorized reseller that will allow me to use Apple Business Manager on them. Must be able to have automatic enrollment feature. I could buy from Apple, but I'm looking for a cheaper price.

Best Buy, Walmart, Newegg are all listed as authorized reseller from Apple. Can I just buy Ipads from Walmart, etc. and use them in Apple BUsiness Manager?

[grizzled bloom]

That's a question for #mac-os-and-ios

I'm not sure personally

[primal roost]

THanks

[dull flint]

Hey GN did the thermalright contact frame

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah, turns out it's pretty good

[cerulean wadi]

Indeed. Similar to Thermal Grizzly ILM. From the GN vid June 26: Solid 8C is pretty nice (even if it is w/ a 420mm LF)

[dull flint]

It's pretty much the same design afaik

Haven't watched the video yet tho I could be wrong there

[cerulean wadi]

well ya I figure 1 pretty much copied the other. Of course I'd go with the TR partly to match the cooler. . These frames make the stock setup almost seem a bit ghetto by comparison huh, lol.

Also people should be cautious: (too tight and lose a memory channel at least)

[frosty depot]

yeah GN did a good vid on how to mount it. complete with how to use the notches on the plate

[grizzled bloom]

There's no such issue on the thermalright frame so I'd be more comfortable recommending that to people

There's no "turn the screw exactly 90 degrees", you just bottom it out without forcing it going in a diagonal pattern.

[cerulean wadi]

Gotcha, good to know. This was cool too. For those wondering, the specific vid I'm referring to is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysb25vsNBQI - Edit: thermalright bracket might come w/ wrench also

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah the TR ILM system was great, came with the torque screwdriver and everything

[frosty depot]

so it's less chance of messing something up with the TR plate?

[frosty depot]

That's good to know

that'll up the cost though?

[grizzled bloom]

It comes with a torx wrench but it's not torqued

[grizzled bloom]

Correct, no worries about losing memory channels

[frosty depot]

nice. in terms of quality though.. TR or TG?

[grizzled bloom]

TG has better build quality but they're very similar results

The TG frame doesn't actually touch the mobo, where the TR frame is spaced so it does

[dull flint]

I would rather try my hand at 7 TR plates than 1 TG since in some samples the TR ended up better for pressure

That's enough attempts to consider some degree of binning those frames (I mean with a 900K/KF/KS why not tbh)

[vast meadow]

I just absolutely hate the TG method it's like well you can easily overtighten this gl lol

[frosty depot]

I kinda also thought about vibration possibly causing the already loose screws to either tighten a tad more just enough to cause issues (unlikely to tighten I know) or loosens more just enough that it causes issues.

[vast meadow]

I getcha

Also tr seems to be 5$ instead of 30 lol

[frosty depot]

Idk if the tg one is so expensive because brand or if the tr one is so cheap because quality.

[vast meadow]

Idk haven't watched the vid yet

[frosty depot]

Slacker.

[vast meadow]

Tis only 10am and some of us have work 😤

[frosty depot]

I'm at work. Thats no excuse.

[vast meadow]

I wouldn't tell your boss this smh

[errant grail]

whats spdif on the motherboard?

[vast meadow]

It's a type of audio out afaik

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/S/PDIF

https://images.app.goo.gl/aZeQWYeiFaBz4knq8

Connector looks like that ^

[errant grail]

whats mainly used for?

[vast meadow]

Audio...

[errant grail]

just out of curiosity i still cant figure out where to put my 3.5mm jack speaker in my motherboard

and this is my motherboard design

[vast meadow]

Probably c/usb

Oh no wait

Line out

Probably

[errant grail]

okay ill try both

hoping

my headset

and speaker dont fight

[vast meadow]

You'll just change Audio out in windows

[errant grail]

yeah it work

thanks

[frosty depot]

I am a boss >:)

How you think I'm good to buy what I want when I want it lol

[dull flint]

One's made Germany, has tighter tolerances and a smoother manufacturing finish. But the German manufacturing is what makes it cost more, more than anything

To me the TR one feels fine, I'm kinda glad people steered me towards it over the TG tbh

[vast meadow]

Crap

[sage burrow]

Good morning. Running into issues with Flashing my bios through the flashback button. B450 tomahawk max, just installed 5700x last night and recognized that I needed to update Bios.

Formatted my USB to Fat32, did the MSI.ROM rename for the file, plug in USB. Press the flash button. Proceeds to turn my system on, but none of the indicators that it's updating the bios are happening. (I.e. red flashing light by bios.)

What am I missing?

[hard leaf]

You dont turn on the system, you plug the usb and keep the bios fblak button pressed until the bios led start blinking, it will take from 5 to 10 minutes

Btw plug the usb on the bios usb port, should be marked on the io shield

[sage burrow]

USB is in the Bios port. But my system "turns on" when I'm pressing the bios flash button, not the power button. My USB stick flashes 2-3 time to show its reading/being read.

But I get no lights from the Bios. (I.e. hold it for 2-3 seconds and get the 3 flashing to verify its working, etc.)

But I will hold it this time until it starts blinking.

[hard leaf]

Tje bios port usually have a led that will blink when the process start

[sage burrow]

Yup, that's the part that's missing right now. So I'm not sure what I'm messing up before this point.

I've formatted the USB like every guide says.

[sage burrow]

Okay... moving on to new issue for this. I installed the new Bios through M-Flash and using old CPU. Now when I reset its still giving me the CPU post Code.

It recognized the new CPU before when I test booted, and I went to Bios there.

[hearty cave]

How drastic is the difference of ddr4-ddr5

[hard leaf]

price wise, they are terrible

on gaming a 3600c16 beat easily anything under 5200 on ddr5 for half the price

6000 and up are better but they are helluva expensive

[grizzled bloom]

"Better" by a max of 3%

[eternal helm]

Unless you do productivity that hella relies on ram bandwidth, it's just a waste

[grizzled bloom]

I'm not going DDR5 until 8000c40 kits are decently priced

[hard leaf]

we are like 1 or 2 years away from that

max rn is like 6600c32 i guess

[grizzled bloom]

2-3 by my estimate

6600 is still really hard to do without a top tier board

6200 is possible with 2 sticks on more boards

[eternal helm]

I'm not going ddr5 until ballistix d5 exists

[dull flint]

You can buy a cheap good kit of ddr4 now, wait a couple years until you need an upgrade, then buy a cheap good kit of ddr5 and likely be almost at the same expenditure as buying a meh kit of ddr5 now

[hard leaf]

maybe am5 and 700 series will be capable of that

[dull flint]

I hope and I cope

[grizzled bloom]

Eh, I don't see that happening. First models on a new platform always have it rough.

[eternal helm]

Like 2 d4 dimms and two d5 dimms?

[hard leaf]

no no, able to handle stable 6600

[eternal helm]

Oh

CPU imc gonna need help soon too

ADL just ain't it

[dull flint]

New kits of hynix going up to like, 7800 on ADL iirc

[eternal helm]

Sk hynix ddr4 p31 2x500gb

Mind breaking

[grizzled bloom]

But only on $300+ Z690 boards

And with like 60 cas

[dull flint]

You say that like value means something with ddr5

Also cas means barely anything if everything else is running fast

Esp. ddr5

[grizzled bloom]

True that it means less but it is an indication of binning and what dies they used

5200 c40 kits beating 4800 c36 pretty badly when overclocked is a thing

It's just all over the place rn

[dull flint]

Hard to say when they're using green sticks only rn, no xmp kits afaik yet

There was a supposed team group kit but that was debunked

[grizzled bloom]

I thought there was at least a few? I'd swear I saw BZ's bios said there was a profile

Just not a profile that's much better than jedec

[dull flint]

Afaik only being sold in a few places as 5600 not as an xmp

Known as 5600b or agb

[scenic solar]

Best AMD cheap 6 core Vega 11 CPU? Is there any?

[vast meadow]

5600g

[eternal helm]

5600g is vega 7 but yeah its better than like a 3400g easily

[scenic solar]

Uuh
I need Vega 11 CPU

Because of how much vram you can also allocate

"ram"

Really need max performance, also to get 4k ~60hz il light games like MC

[long geyser]

It'll just allow more "v"RAM when needed. On average, 2gb is the highest you can set for "min VRAM allocation" however if whatever program needs 16gb of VRAM then it'll allocate it (assuming system has 16gb of RAM free).

Also sounds like you're gaming only, iGPU raster perf wont be good enough to worry about large VRAM usage for games.

[vast meadow]

Huh

[hard leaf]

yeah im like that as well

what about your 1070?

are you building another pc? o.O

[scenic solar]

I've always saw vega8 limit to 1gb vram (ram) and Vega11 limit to 2.1GB... if there is a reason for that...? Maybe I compromise the CPU with allocating more vram

Also Vega 11 performs better than he other ones because of the 11gpu cores

Instead of 7 or 8

[naive pendant]

Hey guys, I want to upgrade to 32gb of ram but I also want higher 3200 ram. Any suggestions

[scenic solar]

My cousin wants to build another one, I personally never gamed in 4k fo any reason, I'm not the person to use 4k on a small monitor where the difference for lower res is unnoticeable

[hard leaf]

3600c16

[naive pendant]

https://www.amazon.com/PNY-Gaming-Epic-X-3200MHz-Desktop/dp/B08B9KQDK5/ref=sr_1_16_sspa?gclid=CjwKCAjwrZOXBhACEiwA0EoRD46ZCLOAHgVAF772lteJNoX4eHQD0Xhtapk7T5kvSWR3U1JW_5TMYRoClwgQAvD_BwE&hvadid=177352272439&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9014979&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=b&hvrand=1144140096422524549&hvtargid=kwd-104830960642&hydadcr=18005_9842187&keywords=32%2Bgb%2Bddr4%2B2133&qid=1659214014&sr=8-16-spons&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExQVU5V0tCMFdNUDREJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMDg2MDY0MVkyMEI0RDMzN1ZETyZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNjIzMzQ2MVBMUzgwSUlSTEUxVSZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX210ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU&th=1 is this any good

jesus thats a long link

[hard leaf]

to play at 4k you need a better gpu instead of the igpu on the amd cpus

unless you want to play at less than 15 fps and at the lowest settings

[vast meadow]

No

[vast meadow]

What cpu?

[naive pendant]

ryzen 9 5900x just got it installed today 🙂

[scenic solar]

But do I also need a MB that support allocating more vram right?

[vast meadow]

4k low on Minecraft would be fine on a 5600g especially if you put optifine on there

[vast meadow]

No

[naive pendant]

@vast meadow is that ram any good?

idk anythin about ram tbh

[scenic solar]

Maybe I just should go for an external GPU

[vast meadow]

Eh hold on lemme compare, you want rgb ye?

[scenic solar]

1060 mini is a good option

[naive pendant]

no rgb is preferred

[vast meadow]

Would go for this, faster ram isn't good value atm
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/B8QcCJ/silicon-power-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp032gxlzu320bdaj7

[naive pendant]

sweet! Its also a lot cheaper then what I had in mind on what I had to spend.

[vast meadow]

For the love of god put some money towards a CPU cooler

[naive pendant]

who me lol

[vast meadow]

Wraith cooler aint gonna cut it

Yes

[hard leaf]

go ak620 or go home

[naive pendant]

yeah ik but with the extra money I dont have to spend on ram I can get a good cooler now so thats good

[hard leaf]

or clc280

[vast meadow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/d2fmP6/evga-clc-280-1135-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-400-hy-cl28-v1
Or
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9T92FT/deepcool-ak620-6899-cfm-cpu-cooler-r-ak620-bknnmt-g

[dull flint]

I'm gonna double on this, it really needs it lol

As someone who thermal throttles a 5900X on a 360 aio hearing that wraith cooler story will give me nkghtmares

[naive pendant]

is it really important to do now or can I wait a 1-2 weeks

beacuse im broke af rn

[dull flint]

If you want to do anything beyond like chrome? Yes

[hard leaf]

first shipment already flying 🥳

[naive pendant]

I just ran minecraft at 100fps with shaders tho

extreme vl shaders too

[dull flint]

MC is so cpu light tho

And it probably was throttling regardless lol

[naive pendant]

I thought it was a cpu dependant game, before I could get 20-30 fps with medium shaders

[dull flint]

Nooo

I've had this discussion before, you can really run MC on a very easy cpu

[naive pendant]

ok, ill buy that new cooler once I get the money but right now im broke af

[hard leaf]

dont try to build the system without it

just dont

[naive pendant]

I already did oops

my dad did at least

and my brother helped

[hard leaf]

dont tell me you are cooling your 5900 with the wraith cooler

dont

[naive pendant]

ok I wont

tell you

but you can infer

the truth

lol

[hard leaf]

[naive pendant]

sorry

my brother said it would be fine so I kinda just took his word for it

idk if I should listen to my brother anymore

he gives kinda bad advice

[dull flint]

How many computers has your brother built

[naive pendant]

2

[dull flint]

Including today?

[naive pendant]

no he built two from scratch

[hard leaf]

its like a trend these days, ppl come here for advice after they bought everything xD

[naive pendant]

one with his friend and one for him

[naive pendant]

I came for advice about ram

lol

[dull flint]

I'm almost tempted to ask for a full parts list

Just to see if I find anything else lol

[naive pendant]

I can give it to you but your gonna hate me

the mobo is a big problem

[hard leaf]

now im curious as well 😛

[naive pendant]

but the thing is my dad hates pcs and he and my brother are the only ones who can build it

im still young enough that Im not allowed to do it on my own

[hard leaf]

at least now you know where to come first

[naive pendant]

yep lol

here Ill give a full parts list but if I do your not allowed to crap on it because my dad picked out the parts for almost a month straight

[dull flint]

I mean we aren't experts but there's more than enough pooled information here that you can take away some good information

[hard leaf]

i wont say a word

just curiosity

[dull flint]

If I see something that screams at me bad I might

My paternity instincts might kick in

[naive pendant]

Motherboard: b450m-HDV R4.0
Ram:
Oloy 16gb 3000
GPU:
Radeon 580 series
PSU:
No clue how to check
SSD: 970 Evo plus 2tb

I think thats everything

[dull flint]

Asrock hdv kek

Would love to know the psu tho

[naive pendant]

How do i check

idk how

[hard leaf]

how much he paid for that build?

[dull flint]

It'll have a label or something at the back

[hard leaf]

or at the side

[naive pendant]

I paid for around 600$ of it idk how much he paid

[naive pendant]

ill check

[dull flint]

Tmw the ssd might be 25% of the build budget

[hard leaf]

a label like this

[dull flint]

I like that label

A lot of pleasant numbers

[hard leaf]

yeah, its like a badge of pride

[naive pendant]

no label

[hard leaf]

yeah the label usually is at the side, you need to open the psu shroud to see it

[naive pendant]

Im probably not gonna be allowed to do that because my dad just put my pc back together and he would be wondering why I want to take it apart again

not really take it apart but still

[hard leaf]

yeah, no problem

[naive pendant]

ok, were there any other problems with the build other then the motherboard and obviously the cooler?

[eternal helm]

probs can take the back side panel off and itd take 2 seconds but whatever

[hard leaf]

the memory, but that one you figured it out already

[naive pendant]

ok thanks guys!

[dull flint]

I mean I could say more but apart from the memory and cooler it'll work most likely

[hollow thorn]

B450 hdv VRMs kinda bad

But anyways

[dull flint]

Yup but trying not to say much

Lol

[naive pendant]

Im going to upgrade the motherboard soon, heres the order Im going to upgrade

1. Cooler, 2. Ram, 3. Motherboard

[hard leaf]

try to check your psu one of these days

to see if at least you have a B tier psu

[naive pendant]

ok, im pretty sure its a gold psu

gold rated

[hollow thorn]

If you have a glass side panel you can just look through the side

[hard leaf]

gold means nothing to quality

[dull flint]

Gold≠good

[naive pendant]

oh ok

[vast meadow]

I mean you'll just throttle the crap out of your cpu b

[hollow thorn]

(insert joke about gold PSU exploding)

[hard leaf]

there are good bronze units and some pretty explosive gold units

man i need to find the gigglebyte meme

[dull flint]

https://tenor.com/view/gigabyte-psu-explodes-gamers-nexus-power-supply-gif-23202345

[vast meadow]

YOU PUT A 5900X INTO A HDV 💀

[hollow thorn]

The planting bomb one is pretty good

[hard leaf]

dont pato, just dont

[naive pendant]

dude my dad picked the motherboard

lol

[hard leaf]

breathe

relax

[naive pendant]

ik its bad

[eternal helm]

its really bad

[dull flint]

You hit pato's weak joint

[hollow thorn]

Ngl it's less they picked it than they clicked sort by cheapest and bought the first thing considering what it is

[vast meadow]

Might want to slap a fan directly on your vrms

[eternal helm]

what vrms?

[naive pendant]

heres what I was going to upgrade too https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7gxbt6/msi-b550-a-pro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550-a-pro

[hard leaf]

yeah? what vrms?

[vast meadow]

Sorry, vrm

[eternal helm]

xD

[vast meadow]

Singular

[hollow thorn]

Single phase

10a choke

[eternal helm]

just one cap on the board

[dull flint]

Wtf

[naive pendant]

is there a better motherboard for around that price of the link i just sent

[hard leaf]

and that is powering a 5900x on a wraith cooler

D:

[hollow thorn]

(btw it's actually just 4 crappy phases)

No doublers no twinning

[dull flint]

Tmw the wraith cooler might be lowkey keeping the mobo healthy

[hollow thorn]

B550-a price went up but it's good

It was like 120$ last time I looked

[hard leaf]

plus the 5900x being throttled should be fine on that mobo

for now

[vast meadow]

Would get this instead
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PDsnTW/msi-b550m-pro-vdh-wifi-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550m-pro-vdh-wifi

[dull flint]

Hm

Maybe start with mobo

[hard leaf]

yeah go mobo+cooler

then memories

[naive pendant]

ok

[hard leaf]

but check the psu one of these days

just to be sure you have a safe psu

[eternal helm]

checking the psu takes about a minute

[dull flint]

Inb4 pgm or bbq

[vast meadow]

Tbh I'd actually just return the cpu and go 12600k + b660 at this point and then sell b450 + 2700 or reuse

[naive pendant]

I would have no problem doing it its just my dad doesnt like me messing with my pc because hes afraid I wont be able to fix it on my own

[hollow thorn]

Btw b550-a does have a better VRMs than b550m pro vdh wifi but pro vdh wifi does have wifi and is cheaper

[hollow thorn]

Why would that be?

[eternal helm]

sure, but the back side panel has nothing to do with the actual pc

its just a aesthetic piece to keep dust out

[hollow thorn]

There's the one :)

[naive pendant]

Idk ive tried to mess with my pc before but my dad normally just shuts that convo down

[dull flint]

I picture your pc rn as a jenga tower with a bunch of blocks missing

[naive pendant]

lmao

[eternal helm]

im personally gonna guess w1/n1 or maybe a dc-dc, like the br

[hollow thorn]

Inb4 g2

[eternal helm]

xD

[dull flint]

1600 supernova

[hollow thorn]

My bets on s12iii

[eternal helm]

better than a w1 atleast lol

[devout moth]

NotJon#7731 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[hollow thorn]

Just because branding

[naive pendant]

bruh

[hollow thorn]

Sad

[eternal helm]

oh funny thin

[hollow thorn]

What up

[naive pendant]

Thanks for the help guys! I appreciate nobody being a jerk about the pc because my dad built it and picked out the parts.

[hard leaf]

its ok to make mistakes, nobody here will judge... instead they will try to point you in the right direction 🙂

[vast meadow]

It happens just would have went different upgrade path

[eternal helm]

@hollow thorn you wanna see the most ironic thing ever?

[vast meadow]

For example i have a b450 ds3h which is fine for 3600 but i would not put more than a 5600x in it

[dull flint]

Ah yes

What we call the am4 floor

[hollow thorn]

S12iii using like andyson or whatever random OEM

[dull flint]

Ds3h

[eternal helm]

prepare yourself

[naive pendant]

wait should I upgrade my cooler or motherboard first

[hollow thorn]

Kek

[dull flint]

Mobo actually

[naive pendant]

ok

[eternal helm]

but wait, it gets better

💀

[hollow thorn]

LOL

[dull flint]

Or do a pato and sell the cpu and go back to 2700x

[hard leaf]

what? evga psu are trash... wth

[hollow thorn]

Tell him it's improved ss focus platform

[eternal helm]

mind = broken

[vast meadow]

Hey at least it has multiple vrms

[eternal helm]

golden was there too lol, we told him

[hard leaf]

that guy... hahahaha

[hollow thorn]

It's literally seasonic focus but better

Made by seasonic

[eternal helm]

exactly

[hard leaf]

g6 is seasonic or superflower?

[vast meadow]

I'd actually do this ^

[hollow thorn]

who is golden

[dull flint]

Hey I never said nothing exists below the floor

[naive pendant]

@hard leafkinda a weird question but how did you get expert role

[eternal helm]

seasonic

[hard leaf]

cant rememeber

k

[eternal helm]

sf was gone before that 😄

[hollow thorn]

SF went away after g2

[hard leaf]

expert? or you mean elite?

[naive pendant]

sorry meant elite

[dull flint]

Talk a lot

[eternal helm]

remember, SF = oem that could make good units with micromanaging = evga cut ties

[hard leaf]

by being active on the discord

[naive pendant]

ok

[hard leaf]

you will upgrade your rank eventually

[naive pendant]

is there a way to see how close you are to diffrent roles or no

[hollow thorn]

G5 was uh I think fsp?

[eternal helm]

yea

[hard leaf]

#ranks-and-levels channel

[naive pendant]

oh ok thanks guys

[hollow thorn]

G3 was SF still, kinda forgot since no ocp for a while

[hard leaf]

at 10 you should upgrade to regular+ i think

[hollow thorn]

You can look in #roles

[eternal helm]

then we also have the g7 which is fsp probs

but you cant buy it so yeah

[hollow thorn]

G7 is out?

[eternal helm]

kinda kinda?

its been announced and weve seen pics, but i havent seen a release date or anything

[hollow thorn]

Ah

[eternal helm]

its been announced since like 2019 computex tho

[hollow thorn]

I kind of want to see EVGA jump on the cwt gpu bandwagon though

[eternal helm]

maybe after they cut ties with fsp and andyson invetiably, they'll need another oem ig lol

[hollow thorn]

Lol that'll be hard

Fsp seems like the one stop shop for EVGA

[scenic solar]

For a pc hosted Minecraft server how much/what CPU, SSD and RAM do I need? Probably never going to be more than 100 players... (if it gets more I'll just upgrade the system)

Do i Need many cores or more GHz?

[hard leaf]

more cores allow more parallel operations at once, more speed will allow those operations to run faster

i say more cores

[scenic solar]

I saw some people recommending recent i7 / i9 with high boost clock... But idk what Ill need

[vast meadow]

For about a 100 players you want something like a 5900x/10850k, would say 12700 but idk how e cores respond with mc servers

Ram you're looking for 32-64gb

Ssd eh 500gb should be fine

[hard leaf]

the boost clock difference between those are meaningless, what you need is a top notch cooling to allow those boost speeds to hold

[scenic solar]

Dayyum
Some people recommended things like 8th i7 and 16/24gb ram...

[hard leaf]

too low ram

you need 32/64 for server hosting

64 ideal

[scenic solar]

K

Maybe I should try hosting it on my brother's pc for now, see how much ram/CPU/SSD/WiFi speed increase while more people join

I'll see ram usage for 40 players

If I'm able to get to 40...

[hard leaf]

thats a good idea, that way you wont overspend if your server usage is low

[scenic solar]

This was an answer on Reddit for 100 players server

Meanwhile me making the server lobby and diff gamemodes hoping it becomes a good server... But I may be getting 3 players total...

[hard leaf]

just use your bother pc and run the experiment yourself, that way you could estimate the needs for your future server

but 3 players is a very low count to matter, try to get 10 at least

[scenic solar]

Yeah... I guess it'll be more like a small server for friends. including PvP, vanilla, parkours, skyblock...etc

Good night, I'll go to bed👋

[long geyser]

There might be limits in static allocation, but dynamic allocation can do whatever it needs to based on the info stated online

[peak sail]

Howdy ho, any ideal when we can buy AM5 Cpu's and mobo's

[hard leaf]

not released yet

come back in 3 months

[peak sail]

So I have a lil time

Serious basic build will be a 7800x on a TUF 670X, with the new PSU, ddr5, and a 2tb M.2

But I'm debating waiting on a Ryzen 7000 series X3D cpu

[vast meadow]

Late September is the leaks

[peak sail]

Oww maybe another birthday disappointment like the RTX 3080

I could of got a PNY 3080 off Newegg before I went waiting in a retail line for the Asus TUF model but it would have never fit the old case

[hard leaf]

yeah late september but good luck finding stock

im more inclined to late october xD

[hard leaf]

you should have like 1.5k ready budget for all of that

only the cpu+mobo should be like 700-800 usd (my opinion)

😛

[burnt spear]

I've got about $450 for a cpu and mobo for rpl

Might save some of that to put towards a g27q

[hard leaf]

yeah im expecting like 800 max for mobo+cpu+mem+cooler

on my budget

some 13600k should suffice

[burnt spear]

I'm keeping my ram, and already bought an ak620

[hard leaf]

flying rn 😄

those 3 parts were like 210 usd, i have like 600 for cpu+mobo now, maybe i can pull a 13700k.... maybe

sad thing 760 mobos are rumored to be released on 2023

its either 660m or z790 now for rpl

[cerulean wadi]

Remember what's funny/great is 13700K will pretty much beat a 12900K, just going by specs I've seen.

[hard leaf]

the price tag tho...

should be like 450+ cpu

i guess

at least the leaked benchmarks put the 13600k equal to a 12900k

good enough for me

[peak sail]

@hard leaf I was guessing about 1.2k USD between the cpu, mobo, ddr5, and psu..

[hard leaf]

ddr5 are expensive and dont expect the mobo and cpu to be cheap at launch, oh no

if you want real competitive ddr5 expect to spend like 300+ on a 32gb kit

[peak sail]

Hopefully nothing will be DOA

[hard leaf]

thats the least of the worries

rma is a thing thse days

[peak sail]

I know, I can even RMA AM3 mobo's

[hard leaf]

problem will be early adopters issues

stability and compatibility problems on new techs are pretty common

[peak sail]

Thats why I stick with Asus products

[hard leaf]

[hollow thorn]

Early adopters for Asus z690 hero got treated real well :p

[cerulean wadi]

Great product > good service is my stance, plus don't be an early adopter

[peak sail]

I'm a fan of the old AM3 Sabertooth FX990 so upgraded to the X570 TUF Gaming Plis WiFi

[hollow thorn]

Anyways just give whatever it is at least a month if you can so somebody else deals with the early adopter problems for you

[peak sail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/494068649565356053/993356222533214277/IMG_1100.jpg?width=624&height=468

The DND Funko Pop is being replaced with an Imperial Pilot

Does Newegg have a cooking channel yet?

[hollow thorn]

#food-and-drinks

[peak sail]

That will work because I am buying a set of Miso Soup bowls from Newegg later lol

[dull flint]

13th gen looking pretty decent

[vast meadow]

Yessir supposed to be adding a good bit of cache

[dull flint]

Seen the QS benchmarks?

[vast meadow]

The geekbench one ye

But GB is ehh

Especially with such a large diff on d4 vs d5

[dull flint]

Nah full range of tests

Games 3dmark the whole thang

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-i5-13600k-and-i7-13700k-pre-production-samples-have-been-tested-in-games

[vast meadow]

Oh?

[dull flint]

Looking like about 10% improvement and this is QS

So there's still more perf to be had

[vast meadow]

Woahh

Nice

I really hope 13400 has e cores

[dull flint]

Ikr? 13th gen actually* gonna bring the punch to Zen 4

[vast meadow]

Oh yeah deffo

[dull flint]

I have a lot more faith in 13th gen atm. Seen so little info on AMD's side apart from the announcement all that time ago

[vast meadow]

I feel like amd will have good cpus but ddr5 will be their downfall

[dull flint]

Probably yeah, ddr5 has a long way to go

In that sense changing kits might be significant in the long term

[vast meadow]

See the thing with ddr5 is, 8gb sticks are cursed

[dull flint]

[vast meadow]

So for budget you're basically forced to get what 1x16gb stick then upgrade to 32 later?

[dull flint]

I would just do 32

Cos the thing is after widespread adoption devs are gonna try use more ram

[vast meadow]

Yeah but that's twice the price

[dull flint]

Oh yeah rn it's still early days, ddr4 all the way

[vast meadow]

Eh games are just going that wah already

Well high end ddr5 is worth now

250$ for 6000mhz cl34 or so

[dull flint]

You can do 1 stick of ddr5, it does work cos it's already dual channel

The 6800H a15 I bought has that config

[vast meadow]

Well not dual channel

[dull flint]

Going to 2 sticks or quad channel gives a little extra tho, a lot if you do ram intensice tasks

[vast meadow]

It's kinda like it because it has 2 banks

But still single channel

[dull flint]

Single rank but dual channel

[vast meadow]

Nope other way round

[dull flint]

[vast meadow]

This would be 2x8gb ddr5

[dull flint]

Idk I just woke up

[dull flint]

But if you want a good ddr5 kit kingston 6000 c40 is almost always hynix

[vast meadow]

Anything 6000+ is hynix

[dull flint]

That's the budget one unless you find green sticks

Not always, some are samsung

I can promise that one from 1st hand experience

Lol

[vast meadow]

@dull flint start at like 12:30 btw if you haven't watched
https://youtu.be/Rcv5fb_o8Ss

[vast meadow]

Ah yeah samsung is up to 6000

[dull flint]

Ye

North of that always hynix

But kingston 6000 c40 is like always mid price but almost always hynix

And the heatspreaders are good too, it's probably the best enthusiast kit until the newer hynix ic's are widespread

[peak sail]

Seems like the Ryzen 7800X AM5 is a sure bet, but I'm holding out for X3D cpu...

[hollow thorn]

Seemed like 3dvcache was supposed to be standard for higher end chips in future generations

[peak sail]

Fact is a Arctic Freezer II wasn't enough to cool my 5800X3D but should be enough for a 7800X

[grizzled bloom]

7800X seems to be missing from the current lineup we know of. There's a 7700X though.

[amber canopy]

LGA2066 💪

😔

[frosty depot]

[amber canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-working-out-workout-situp-cat-gif-25374202

[warm dune]

https://a.co/d/0Tu03tQ

https://a.co/d/1o0NlxS

What’s the major differences between these boards

Like which one is gonna be a better mobo in the long term

[hollow thorn]

That's the ddr5 version of the MSI board and the ddr4 version of the Asus board btw

[warm dune]

Ik

[hollow thorn]

MSI board gets an extra m.2 slot, both VRMs are generally overkill

Both boards are too expensive

Ddr5 vs ddr4 is your choice to make for now

[warm dune]

Ok, ddr5 is gonna be hella lot faster for the ram I want, but it’s almost 2x the price

Oof

[vernal cosmos]

corsair

💀

[warm dune]

Lol

[hollow thorn]

Corsair is sad in general

[warm dune]

What memory would y’all recommend?

Preferably one that comes in white

And one that’s going for a good price

[frosty depot]

that strix z690 ddr4 is

That's the one I plan on getting.

[warm dune]

Nice

[hollow thorn]

You can do something like this for ddr4
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B2J7571Z

[warm dune]

Ok that’s a good looking ram stick, and for a heck of a deal compared to the Corsair

[frosty depot]

be aware of led hotspot issues with that ram

[warm dune]

Wym

[frosty depot]

while it doesn't affect functionality, it does affect the look.

[hollow thorn]

Okay ddr5
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09LHNF6GT
High end ddr5 performance wise but looks worse
https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr5-sdram/p/N82E16820374380

[warm dune]

Ah, do some parts of leds die?

[warm dune]

Oh my

[hollow thorn]

I don't even think ram should be rgb but it's what comes cheapest in terms of white so :p

[warm dune]

🤢 that ugly af

[hollow thorn]

I like it :p

Just looks like trident z neo with a black sticker to me

[warm dune]

could always disable the rgb

[hollow thorn]

Ye

Rgb strips just give you more bang for your buck

It's usually like 20$ premium for rgb ram when 20$ can get you a rgb strip around your whole case

[warm dune]

Yea

[frosty depot]

but RGB = MOAR Performance.

[warm dune]

Lol

[frosty depot]

And when you go all white build with white rgb, you get bis performance boost

[devout moth]

Pro G.#9645 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[warm dune]

Oof

I can’t say s h I t box

Rgb is like stickers on cars. Slaps PooPoobox sticker on civic +5hp

[dim cloak]

It's also like deleting the exhaust and it just gets louder but not much of a performance boost

[agile jolt]

Shiste

[vast meadow]

Corsair and good deal don't go in the same sentence

[hollow thorn]

Only with the prefix "not a"

[hard leaf]

or the suffix "Joking bro"

[warm dune]

I wasn’t talking about Corsair being a good deal

[hollow thorn]

Issa joke, we like crapping on Corsair

[vast meadow]

Apart from psus and cases they're protected from the fun cuz they're actually good value

[cerulean wadi]

Solid front non-airflow cases will still get made fun of though. (I don't care if it's a liquid cooled setup, lol. Extra Airflow more better.

[long geyser]

Eh, most of Corsair cases arent premium and are trash. Spec 05/06 were true meme material that have seemed to die off
But there are a few nice ones which luckily most of the recent ones arent that bad

[plain vortex]

Hello, I want to upgrade my PC ram to a 32gb (16gb x2) kit it has a Ryzen 5 5600x and a asus b550-f wifi rog mobo what kit would you recommend me

My ram works fine but my friends ram died and I want to give him my ram

[dull flint]

Overclocking it at all? If not then silicon power gaming 2x16gb is some $80 USD

[plain vortex]

Since I already have a mostly Corsair build I was thinking about this Check this out on @Newegg: CORSAIR Dominator Platinum RGB (AMD Ryzen Ready) 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 3600 (PC4 28800) AMD Optimized Desktop Memory Model CMT32GX4M2Z3600C18 https://www.newegg.com/corsair-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820236642?Item=N82E16820236642&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-20-236-642-_-08012022

[plain vortex]

Nah

As long as it's 3600mhz and 32gb

[dull flint]

I would suggest SP then

[dull flint]

Definitely too expensive. That's DDR5 prices lol

Ok gimme a sec

[plain vortex]

Ohh lol

I would prefer if it's RGB

How about this Check this out on @Newegg: G.SKILL Trident Z Neo (For AMD Ryzen) Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin RGB DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3600 (PC4 28800) Desktop Memory Model F4-3600C18D-32GTZN https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232867?Item=N82E16820232867&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-20-232-867-_-08012022

[dull flint]

Getting better but still expensive

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/HbYmP6/pny-xlr8-gaming-epic-x-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-md32gk2d4360018xrgb

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/P7RYcf/team-t-force-delta-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-tf3d432g3600hc18jdc01

[plain vortex]

Hmmm but are those brands any good?

I've heard of many issues with other pny parts

[dull flint]

Yes they're fine

PNY is actually good where I am it's one of the few ways to get Hynix ddr5 reliably in Australia

There's also T-force there if you are worried about it lol

Here's another one at a similar price https://pcpartpicker.com/product/64WzK8/geil-orion-rgb-amd-edition-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-gaosg432gb3600c18bdc

[plain vortex]

How about if I would want to overclock?

What would be a good oc kit

For atleast 3600 cl 16

[dull flint]

They should all do cl16 and also CL barely matters in ram oc

What matters is the resultant timings from CL

If anything

[plain vortex]

Or even a 64gb kit if the price difference isn't that much

To fill the slots lol

[dull flint]

Are you gonna be doing any 4K rendering or say, simulations or heavy editing?

[plain vortex]

I currently have the corsair ram lights lol so they don't look that empty

Nah just gaming on 1440p

[dull flint]

Then you don't need 64gb

32 is enough

[plain vortex]

Or would 2 8gbx2 kits work fine as well?

[dull flint]

Can but only if you match the part

Match the part number - match the buyer, even then I've seen people still get mixed kits and it's not great

I would say the Geil kit has a lot of rgb if that's what you're looking for lol

[plain vortex]

Check this out on @Newegg: CORSAIR Vengeance RGB Pro 32GB (4 x 8GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR4 3600 (PC4 28800) Intel XMP 2.0 Desktop Memory Model CMW32GX4M4D3600C18 https://www.newegg.com/corsair-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820236554?Item=N82E16820236554&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-20-236-554-_-08012022

Or something like this?

Or would just two separate kits of the same model work?

[plain vortex]

Not that much lol

[dull flint]

No don't get vengeance

[dull flint]

Pretty bright ngl lol

[plain vortex]

Oh is it that bad

[dull flint]

Yes

[plain vortex]

It's what I have atm lol

[dull flint]

Then just give that kit to your friend don't try and get a second kit

They mix the chips they use a lot so often running just the XMP you buy them for doesn't work well if at all

[plain vortex]

To be specific it's this kit CMW16GX4M2Z3600C18

I would give that to him and get myself a 32gb one

[dull flint]

Yeah do that

[plain vortex]

Would you just recommend two 16 and that's it

[hollow thorn]

3600c18 is meh, it's not bad it's not good

2x16 leaves you some upgradability

[dull flint]

I would say so yeah. It's easier to auto train tighter frequencies

So it's a little faster than say, 4x8

[hollow thorn]

Slightly less load on imc

[dull flint]

I would pick one of those three kits there that i posted then go for a light overclock imo

[plain vortex]

Okay so any one of those

[dull flint]

The geil, the tforce or pny

[plain vortex]

They're better than gskill as well

?

Than the trident z's

[dull flint]

Price-wise? Yes

I mean the g.skills you'll get hynix in that kit

But to say which one? It might be meh

[plain vortex]

So they'll performed the same

[dull flint]

Realistically if you don't have good ram oc experience then you probably won't get return on that price difference

[hollow thorn]

Brand doesn't matter much by itself for the ram sticks, die inside matters

[plain vortex]

Okay then, which one would you say is the absolute best?