graphics-cards

[deft isle]

and so far I am managing to do it

[quasi flicker]

Does coil whine get louder when more heat is being transferred?

[keen nacelle]

I gotchu

One minute

[deft isle]

ok

thank you

I can share the build I made

[keen nacelle]

I actually alr had this pulled up on pcp, so here you go https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WwD3H2

If you decided you want a 12600kf anyways

Can switch it to a 12400f and se 214xt for the heatsink

Case can go for either the one in there or the p360a/4000d airflow if you'd like

And sure I can take a look at the list you made

[deft isle]

here it is https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcboy15151/saved/JRXFZL

I might switch it to 12400f based on what you said

[keen nacelle]

So you want a white build?

[deft isle]

yeah

[keen nacelle]

Kk, two seconds

[deft isle]

i gtg but I will be back in a few minutes

because I am biking to get icecream

[keen nacelle]

That 3070 you had selected is actually not in stock, just pcp being dumb

[deft isle]

oof

[keen nacelle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QWK8jZ

If you really want the ram to be white, can use this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fkBG3C/team-t-force-delta-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-tf4d432g3200hc16fdc01

Gpus gonna be the hard part

[deft isle]

ok

thank you

[sonic mural]

Going white PSU aswell?

[deft isle]

would the 32gb of ram really help that much with performance

[keen nacelle]

It's good to have

With the build list I made there's still plenty of budget for the gpu

[static nebula]

Founder edition 3080, 6 months old, what is a good asking price for it? Have a 3090 that I’m switching too.

[sonic mural]

Maybe $750 if you can really get lucky imo

Realistically probs $650-700

[static nebula]

You taking USD?

[sonic mural]

yea

oh right you a canadian

so maybe like 900 cad?

[ivory herald]

"what do you mean, you canadians?" -- (better know what movie/scene I'm referencing. The real saying is "you people" btw.

[sonic mural]

Lol

[static nebula]

Hahaha. Did you just assume my nationality. Haha

Buddy I work with offered me $850 Canadian so I’m going with it. Lol

[sonic mural]

Nah I knew you were "one of those" lol

[static nebula]

Hahaha

[ivory herald]

Yeah that's quite a bit more than most people would do, nice. Wish I had buddies or coworkers that actually are into tech stuff, lol. For my area or not, just been easier to get hooked into good ol physical mostly-outside jobs.

[deft isle]

I just made another build. If you can look at it here is the link https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcboy15151/saved/6V8XRB

[heady turtle]

Btw that gpus not actually in stock at that price and that ram kit 💀

[deft isle]

my budget has decreased to 1000 usd. I made this build and was wondering if anyone check it out. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xVsJtn

[heady turtle]

You're wanting a white ish theme?

If so
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Y72Rzf

[keen nacelle]

lol, $1650 3090 ti and still a terrible buy https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-3090-ti-gv-n309tgaming-oc-24gd/p/N82E16814932511?

[fading glacier]

maybe at 1400

:X

well with the code its 1490

now we are talking

[keen nacelle]

considering 6900xt can be gotten rn for $770

nah

[fading glacier]

yeah 3090ti was too late to the party to make an impact

you can get the 6900xt while you wait for 40

[keen nacelle]

could also get a 6600 while you wait for 40

6900xt or 3090 to 40 series wont really be worth it

or 3080/up really

[fading glacier]

i stealthy posted my 60ti on my local fb marketplace at 700 most 60tis here are at still 800+

if somehow i manage to sell it, ill hold on my gt650 till end of the year

[sonic mural]

Steel legend cheaper pog

[heady turtle]

It's 160

[sonic mural]

B660m steel legend is $130

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813162047?

[dreamy dragon]

modock kain#1984 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[bright bolt]

Hey I have a person that is coming to me with a AMD A8-6500 APU and I am getting it is either an i3 or i5 equivalent I highly doubt this computer can handle streaming with several applications in the background and a game playing... thoughts?

[fading glacier]

thats pretty old... like 10 years old

if you want to change/upgrade your pc your best bet is to ask the guys here to tailor you a pc with your current/available budget to spend

those were my 2 cent 🙂

[bright bolt]

Thank you very much

Yep it is old

[heady turtle]

Oh missed that

[sonic mural]

It's got the white heatsinks and rgb

Kinda the new meta ngl

[velvet grail]

I see some good temperatures and quiet fans for my incoming 2080

I hope the person that bought this "cheap" 3080 noticed there was a 500€ shipping

[velvet grail]

W H A T ? 👀

[sonic mural]

Your temps will probs be a good bit higher than theirs

[velvet grail]

The person who sold me the card said he changed thermal paste & pads, spending up to 50€ (don't think so) so they ma be pretty similar, of course they'll be higher because of this fricking hot summer

For example these are my temps in winter and summer:
1070 OC+UV
Winter: 69C. Summer: 76C

3600x UV+OC
(May): 66-67C. Summer (June): 71C

For my CPU it just got 4C more in one month

Also I have bad mounting pressure but I don't really want to open the pc again just for 4 screws, I'll tighten the cooler when the 2080 arrives

[grim galleon]

I'm sorry a 76c summer!?

Last year around this time it was snowing lol

[keen nacelle]

On their gpu

[grim galleon]

A

[keen nacelle]

Not the weather

76c would be were all dead

[grim galleon]

Probably lol

[keen nacelle]

Not even probably

[grim galleon]

The hottest weather I experienced was 47c

[keen nacelle]

That's like 165f or smthn

[grim galleon]

You can cook eggs 0-0

[keen nacelle]

169f according to google

[normal hawk]

I was in 130 degree weather once over in kuwait. was awful

[hasty sphinx]

We had 120f last summer.

Record high for our area. Lasted almost 3 weeks. So many fires around our area because it got so dry.

[livid idol]

And it'll probably be a repeat this year. Thankfully I'm deep within the suburbs so little fire risk.

[sonic mural]

with ada coming out, i wouldnt feel too safe from fire risk

[livid idol]

lol right, 1kW becoming new high end minimum real fast

[sonic mural]

yup

[livid idol]

I'm definitely skipping this gen

[sonic mural]

same here

im thinking about rpl and rdna3

just wanting to skip ada tbh

[livid idol]

They always go through a cycle like this, more power, more power, peak, more efficiency, more efficiency, bottom, and repeat

[sonic mural]

mhmm

at some point the coolers just wont be enough and theyll actually have to make their stuff more efficient

[livid idol]

Yep, poor motherboards and cases having to support triple and quadruple slot cards next gen

I'm feeling like AMD will "win" next gen if they're roughly the same performance at lower power draw

Which it what it's looking like, but the multi chip thing will be interesting

[hasty sphinx]

We actually hit 90f today for the first time this year. It has been a very cool summer so far. Like low 80s. We even had snow about a month ago.

[livid idol]

We've been over 100 for about a week

[hasty sphinx]

We are having a really weird summer.

We should have already been at 100s a couple weeks ago.

Instead, lots of rain and cool days.

[grim galleon]

Do you live in bc Canada.....

[hasty sphinx]

No

[grim galleon]

Ah just needed to check bc we had a heatwave last year

[quiet shuttle]

how can i tell if my GPU is like dying or faulty

[keen nacelle]

tell us the issues its having and well telly ou what the root of the issue is

[quiet shuttle]

hmm well I don't know much about computers but still learn when ever I play some games like war thunder their is texture issues going on like the landscape goes invisible and just now discord just had some odd rainbow looking black pixels on the voice channel when I see who is talking or has their camera on

[keen nacelle]

!ddu

[dreamy dragon]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[keen nacelle]

id do that

[quiet shuttle]

i had black pixels on my monitor before a while back but it stopped when i move my mouse

stuff is going on like this

[quiet shuttle]

dont bother my gpu is dying officially

[supple linden]

is it overclocked?

curious

[livid idol]

Did you run DDU as suggested?

[supple linden]

my old gpu was doing the same thing but when i removed the oc it was fine

[quiet shuttle]

no not overclocked

yes

[supple linden]

did you do ddu and reinstall drivers

[keen nacelle]

you could try to undervolt

that sometimes helps

[supple linden]

or that

[quiet shuttle]

its worst now the water is green and white blocks appear when i move

on every game

[supple linden]

did you use ddu

[keen nacelle]

i would first ddu

[supple linden]

!ddu

[dreamy dragon]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[supple linden]

@quiet shuttle read this

[bright bolt]

RX Radeon 550/550 series is it good enough for streaming with applications in the background?

[keen nacelle]

No

Are you only buying a new gpu?

Or are you making a new build

[bright bolt]

No I am looking at someones application to become a VTuber with me and I am checking their hardware

[keen nacelle]

550 is def not enough for streaming

That's a bit worse than a 1030 gddr5

[bright bolt]

That is why you may sometimes see repetitive questions

[keen nacelle]

If they can, this would be a good upgrade https://www.newegg.com/msi-radeon-rx-6600-mech-2x-8g/p/N82E16814137690

Did you check what cpu and ram they have?

[wicked hound]

I'd use NVENC for streaming

[keen nacelle]

Eh, amd has a video encoder

[wicked hound]

A not so great one.

[keen nacelle]

And considering its $260 for that after a mir, it's worth the worse encoder

Compared to a $310 3050 or $380 3060

Even while streaming it'd still beat the 3050

[bright bolt]

I am not sure exactly which RAM they have, but they did get it 1 - 3 years ago.

[keen nacelle]

Can you have them check the ram and cpu?

[bright bolt]

Current Specs:
R7 1700
16 GB of RAM

Also I am not sure what is up with their computer, but something is eating their RAM?

[keen nacelle]

Depending on them, it might not be worth upgrading the gpu without changing one or both of those

1700 is... not great. Depending on the mobo they might be able to run a 3600

[keen nacelle]

Run a debloat script, I think there's one pinned in #windows-ios

Also a virus scan with windows defender

[bright bolt]

Understandable

[keen nacelle]

Oh also, if they can run a 3600 make sure they don't buy it new

They're terribly priced new

[supple linden]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-burger-eat-eaten-meme-gif-18981931

woops wrong chat

[cosmic bluff]

Is the cat named ram?

[hasty sphinx]

Is this accurate? I noticed the 6900xt is above the 3090?

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html

[livid idol]

It depends on resolution. At 1080p, the 6900 XT is favored. At 4k, the 3090. 1440p is a dead heat.

I notice they don't have the 3090 ti listed at all, it beats the 6950 XT.

Oh wait they have it on the chart but not the list. And they have it below the 6950. Nope I wouldn't call it accurate.

[hot folio]

Bruh how is a 3080 12gb over a Ti?

[hasty sphinx]

Its on the list?

But I see. I was curious. I thought tomshardware was reputable, but it seemed off so I asked

[livid idol]

I see it now, formatted weird on mobile

They're reputable enough but 8 games is hardly going to be an adequate sample size

[hasty sphinx]

Ah ok

So it's just a quick n dirty bench list

Not taking into account all the gpus they benched because I'm sure that took a while.

[livid idol]

Yeah you can't expect them to bench 30+ games on over 100 GPUs

I notice that most of the 8 games they chose are AMD sponsored titles

[hasty sphinx]

Ha funny. Alright. I won't take their results to seriously then

[livid idol]

We have a chart that demonmit made pinned that's based on actual benchmarks

[heady turtle]

Probably model to model variance

[hasty sphinx]

Yeah, I have it saved. Just curious though.. he tested all those?

[velvet grail]

2080 arrived
:)

I have to change nickname

[vital oriole]

lol

[wicked hound]

Inb4 they used Zotac 3080Ti @ lowest PL and Strix 3080 12GB @ highest PL.

[livid idol]

No it's based on publicly available benchmarks afaik, but you can always ask him

[median delta]

hey guys, this is my pc right now https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Cheesi_/saved/#view=dtkzP6, and i was just about to get this gpu to upgrade https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09B17SQBS?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1, but wanted some more opinions before i do to make sure its all good

im not the best with tech so any input would be appreciated

(i also got this gpu recommended to me by someone from here a different time)

[heady turtle]

Btw you're going to want a new ram stick, single channel ram(1 stick) horribly kneecaps your cpu, also would recommend a new power supply

But yeah i would get that gpu

[median delta]

i know, i made that mistake when buying the parts at first. just got paid enough to be able to get the gpu so im going with that. also, is "kneecap" the same as "bottleneck"? thanks for your help!

[livid idol]

Kneecap in this case more refers to it holding the CPU back from its potential

Kinda the same as a bottleneck?

[heady turtle]

Ye basically, would highly recommend grabbing a new power supply and another 16gb stick of ram when you get the chance tho

[median delta]

ah alright, makes sense

[median delta]

yep im planning on it. thank you

[livid idol]

DDR4 is cheap, 32GB kits have been spotted under $100

[median delta]

i was just about to ask that, thanks haha

[livid idol]

This would be a lot better than your current stick too https://pcpartpicker.com/product/B8QcCJ/silicon-power-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp032gxlzu320bdaj7

[solemn panther]

50 dollars below MSRP

[livid idol]

Below msrp on the "should have been $1000 anyway" GPU

[solemn panther]

For real

[heady turtle]

3080 12gb >>>>>

[solemn panther]

I really overpaid for mine

[solemn panther]

Stupidest company card on earth

Even more expensive

The same model anyways

Overall cheaper

[heady turtle]

Uh no, it actually makes sense, halfway between 3080 and 3080 ti in perf, has the extra 2gb vram, is like ~50$ more than 3080 which is acceptable

[solemn panther]

Right

[solemn panther]

Wow I'm not even looking..smh

[heady turtle]

@solemn panther

[solemn panther]

Crazy

Good/bad time to buy them now

My bad guys.... didn't research enough lol

Still good to see the prices dropping

[livid idol]

We're at that awkward point in the release cycle where the new gen is coming in a few months and the older one is finally getting affordable

[solemn panther]

Horrible

We cried for these prices years ago

[foggy atlas]

hello everyone! I had a quick question. I am debating about either getting an MSI Gaming x Trio 3080ti or a MSI Gaming x Trio 3090ti for my computer build. When I was messing with pcpartpicker, i got this capability warning with the 3090ti:

The video card PCIe 16-pin power connector adapter is being supplied by three 6+2-pin power connectors. Please ensure that the three 6+2-pin power connectors are not daisy-chained and do not share the same power cable.

Can someone clarify this a bit more for me? I will also include the build list I have for my build so far if it will help answer my question. Thank you :3

Build List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cbFV4s

[odd siren]

What's the pc being used for?

I will preface by saying a 3090 Ti in any capacity is not worth the money it sells for but I'm curious why 128GB of ram

Would also consider swapping the thermaltake ring fans for more arctic P12's instead. Even the argb ones are good and then you have a consistent system theme

[keen nacelle]

3080 12gb all the way

[foggy atlas]

I do a lot of 3d modeling for school and some musical projects

[keen nacelle]

Oh, then if you need the vram 3090

But if what you do isn't vram intensive, 3080 12gb

[odd siren]

3090 non-ti

[foggy atlas]

Okay then. May I ask why a non ti?

[odd siren]

@foggy atlas consider these, will be similar performance but nearly half the price of 128gb
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wXNgXL/oloy-warhawk-rgb-128-gb-4-x-32-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-nd4u3232161dcwqx

[keen nacelle]

3090 ti is a phat waste

While it physically hurts me https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yPpmP6/msi-geforce-rtx-3090-24-gb-gaming-x-trio-video-card-rtx-3090-gaming-x-trio-24g

You can sometimes catch a $1200 3090 on evga b stock

[odd siren]

They charge like another 25-30% for basically improved clock speed and vram speed, which for workstation practices amounts to very little gain

[foggy atlas]

understandable. Thank you very much ^^

[odd siren]

But that 128gb kit tho

Definitely think about a cheaper set, you could save that money for something else

Those royals are charging like 30% for aesthetics

[foggy atlas]

tbh i have a thing about crystal looking things xD

[odd siren]

There's even a cheaper and similar perf royal kit for 569 lol

[foggy atlas]

would you be okay with moving the conversation to DMs?

[odd siren]

Sure

[ivory herald]

Not sure if you thought the msi was only 10GB or not, lol.

[heady turtle]

No i didn't, i just don't have the rebate thing ticked in pcpp

It shows at 850

[ivory herald]

Yea I wouldn't waste my time for the $30 rebate that is specifically for msi and who knows when it arrives, lol.

[hasty sphinx]

Yeah me either. I won't ever do mir rebates again.. 4 months before I got my gigabyte and still haven't gotten antec and they were sent off same time.

And when calling about status' they didn't have any info.. so its like why even have a support for the rebate lol

[lone pond]

@livid idol So here are some samples of my GPU each with different thermal pads

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/980676251779997746/991649865778081913/IMG20220607125857.jpg?width=1133&height=850

this is the original

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/980676251779997746/991650223128592414/IMG_20220629_202331.jpg?width=637&height=850

this is with 1.5mm pads on the VRAM

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/980676251779997746/991651562604732456/IMG20220627103847.jpg?width=637&height=850

and this is 1.0mm pads

how is using thinner pads giving me a worse spread?

[heady turtle]

If you're not using the exact thickness as the og pads you're going to get worse thermals on both gpu and mem.

[vital oriole]

^

[unborn sedge]

I'm considering jumping ship from Nvidia and buying the AMD equivalent to my 3060Ti (FE). Is now a good time to do that, given that the market crashed?

Nvidia's closed source drivers are a nightmare, everything is super laggy, and half the time some of my monitors don't turn on.

So I'm hoping to fix that by going AMD, since I think it's compatible with multiple monitors.

[heady turtle]

Sure, i assume you're on linux then? Rx 6700xt or 6750xt if you're lucky would be the alterative although 3060 ti does sell for a bit more so you might be able to get 6700xt + cash or 6750xt or just sell then buy

[hasty sphinx]

Hear me out.... what if.. he buys and then sells?

[median delta]

after i change my nvidia gpu to an amd one, what will i have to do after installation?

[heady turtle]

Ddu and then install the amd drivers, here's a guide

!ddu

[dreamy dragon]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[median delta]

ooh alright thank you

[hasty matrix]

Anyone know where I can find the market price of my Gigabyte RTX 2080 OC? I cant find it anywhere

[unborn sedge]

I would look at recent eBay sales, using the advanced search.

[unborn sedge]

You recommend I sell my 3060Ti FE now and try to get a 6750xt in a bit?

[undone narwhal]

Hey gentlepeople, I was wondering if $850 for a 3080 ti for a lightly gamed on is a good price

Or $700 for a 3080 would be better?

[vital oriole]

I would go for 3080 instead

[heady turtle]

Now is as good a time as any

[unborn sedge]

Knowing that prices are going down, I'm considering getting rid of the Nvidia one first, and then waiting a bit to buy AMD cheaper.

I can fall back to my laptop for a few days, since it has an okay GPU as well.

[heady turtle]

I doubt they going down that much ¯_(ツ)_/¯

I'd say you'd be waiting months til the next major price drop when rx 7000/rtx 4000 comes out

[unborn sedge]

I'm seeing some selling for MSRP (Europe)

[heady turtle]

Yeah but I'm saying they're probably not going to drop more for a while

[unborn sedge]

ah fair

[rustic pulsar]

Playing forza horizon 5, should I be concerned?

[rustic pulsar]

i think my vram is filling up, but doesnt it then use system ram or no

[magic wing]

!ddu

[dreamy dragon]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[rustic pulsar]

are u sure its not just forza trying to preserve vram

[ivory herald]

Got an oc on (vram)? Then I'd lower that also.

[rustic pulsar]

appears to be a common problem with the game, new drivers may fix it but then lhr becomes a thing

[agile chasm]

Think GPUs will drop a bit more during the Fantastech sale?

[ivory herald]

Perhaps, but not really for AMD because they already get closer to msrp than Nvidia has been.

[livid idol]

If the VRAM buffer fills up it tries to scrub currently unused assets out of the memory, but it's up to the game to tell it which ones to scrub. System memory isn't used once the VRAM fills, except to account for the overhead of the additional work needed to maintain stability in a low memory situation.

[muted slate]

Hey guys. So as soon as I tried to update my drivers for the amd adrenaline software for my 6900xt, my screen just went black, and its been black for 5 minutes. Should I wait it out or try to do something about it? I'm quite worried. This hasn't really happened at all before

[livid idol]

Hold the power button to turn it off, follow this guide to clean the drivers, and try installing again

!ddu

[dreamy dragon]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[muted slate]

I actually just tried restarting it and the issue just vanished. And somehow the drivers updated while my screen was black lol
But I've heard that restarting didn't work for some so that's why I was concerned
But ty for the help lol

And I might keep that guide for reference

[livid idol]

Go right ahead, that's a very useful tool

[muted slate]

👌

[median delta]

oh also another question about amd gpus

isnt something about recording with them worse compared to nvidia?

like a worse encoder or something

and will i have difficulty recording with an amd?

[livid idol]

Kinda but that really only applies to OBS if you're streaming

[median delta]

oh ok, i dont really stream so thats fine

i use obs to record games from time to time

[livid idol]

Recording doesn't really matter much

The encoder is just slightly slower when streaming but recording is a lot easier

[median delta]

oh ok epic

thanks

[velvet grail]

Just discovered an Easter egg on my 2080 box, there is written (braille alphabet) "Gigabyte VGA"

Lol

[magic wing]

Recommended driver - 22.2.2
This guy - lets link to a driver thats so ancient the entire series of drivers was dropped like 4 years ago

Instead of 22.2.2

[heady turtle]

[median delta]

so i should put in my new graphics card at step 7?

[livid idol]

That says drivers

But if you were swapping GPUs between 6 and 7 is when I'd do it

[median delta]

oh ok cool

[magic wing]

click clean and shut down instead of clean and restart on step 5\

[muted slate]

Ye it's similar at the end of the day except when it comes to streaming but it's easier to do as well

[hollow heath]

Is a gt 1030 worth more than 30 dollars?

[livid idol]

Probably between $40-50

[hollow heath]

Oh ok bet

I got one for 30

[livid idol]

Not bad

[velvet grail]

Get 3 then

Less power draw

[karmic crag]

just installed my 3060ti, FE is absolutely glorious

[nocturne nest]

This look right? Just wanna make sure so I don't accidentally fry it

[vital oriole]

looks about right

[nocturne nest]

Alright thanks ima go turn it on

It's on

But no display

[vital oriole]

where did you plug the display cable into?

[nocturne nest]

Gpu

[livid idol]

Looks like it might need to be pushed in a little more to me

[vital oriole]

^

seems a lil off for the 6 pin side

not fully in

[nocturne nest]

Just checked they are both fully in

OH

just re put them it

It works now

[vital oriole]

yeah

[nocturne nest]

Thx for the help

[nocturne nest]

O now it's stuck on this screen

[vital oriole]

probably just means no os installed

[nocturne nest]

After a few it randomly put me into bios and curser is frozen

[nocturne nest]

O had a windows USB in

Fixed it

[woeful musk]

Is it worth buying the 3070 or do I wait till next gen

Just built my pc and everything’s new but I didn’t buy a new gpu because I’d rather spend everything on everything else and get it later

I have a gtx 1070

Sort of out of date but not entirely

[hasty sphinx]

If you can handle your current card for a bit longer then I'd wait.

What psu do you have?

[woeful musk]

EVGA Supernova 650 GT, 80 Plus Gold 650W

[hasty sphinx]

I believe that is a B-tier psu and lower wattage at that. I would probably upgrade your psu if you do end up grabbing a 7000/40 series.

Id recommend an A-tier at least 850w, but honestly I'd go for 1000w just because. That's just me though. I'm sure someone else may have input on what would be best.

[sonic mural]

gt is a decent unit at least

good load reg, good transients, good on noise, etc

[hasty sphinx]

650 a bit low for the next series of gpu?

Or will people get away with using something so low?

I mean I feel like that's really low.

[sonic mural]

oh yeah wattage may be low but quality is good

[hasty sphinx]

Right.

[woeful musk]

The wattage is low?

[sonic mural]

next gen gpus will be quite power hungry

we dont know exact specs quite yet tho

[woeful musk]

Ok

[hasty sphinx]

rumor the 4090 is speculated to use 600w.

[woeful musk]

So do I need more, also I was planning on getting the 4070 if that changes anything

[hasty sphinx]

Id imagine IF the 4090 is 600w that the 4070 would be around 400ish. So that'd leave little room left with everything else. Would want a little more just in case something spikes.

Id go with 850w to be on the safer side of things.

[cursive otter]

I'm gonna get a new monitor before i get a new GPU and Desk.

[keen nacelle]

I disagree with what reo said

400w on the 4070 is an insane estimate

The high power usage are going to be the high end ones, 4080 and up. 4070 will be fine on a good 750w without issue

Also atx 3.0 is a thing. No point in getting a new psu yet

[hasty sphinx]

To me, it doesn't seem to far off if a 4090 is going to be pulling 200ish more than a 3090, that a 4070 would be pulling 100-150 more. Like I said earlier it's only speculation, but I feel it's better to be "fine". I'd rather be for sure knowing my psu can handle it.

[keen nacelle]

Again, atx 3.0 though. No point in getting a new psu yet

[heady turtle]

Idk i could see that being not the tdp but the power limit for some 4070s

[median delta]

do i open the exe? or open it after, at step 3?

[odd siren]

You launch it in safe mode

[median delta]

no i mean before the safe mode, i downloaded ddu

[keen nacelle]

theres a guide on the site

to getting into safe mode

[odd siren]

You can do the setup prior but you run the program itself in safe mode

[median delta]

ohh ok

sorry got confused

[odd siren]

All good 👍

[livid idol]

Current rumors are as follows:
4090 - 500W max due to the 12+4 adapter only supporting 450W
4080 - 400W
4070 - 300W (Nvidia claims it beats the 3090 so using about the same power makes sense)

[fading glacier]

As bacca said, buying a new psu for "future proofing" is pointless... new gpus are rumored to have the new atx 3.0 standard... if youll wait for next gen, then wait for the psu as well... no point of getting a powerful psu today for.... nothing

if you want to hold on your 1070 thats fine, and when the time to come decide for a gpu, just go the combo as well: gpu+psu

[livid idol]

Not even rumored, it's confirmed ATX 3.0 and we'll see the first truly 3.0 compliant PSUs sometime this month maybe, next month at the latest.

[fading glacier]

Confirmed on the lower end cards as well?

i knew the power hungry 80 and 90s will have it, but not sure about 70 and 60s

man that deal on the ko 3060ti

hard to pass D:

[rugged thunder]

What gpu's do yall think would be a good jump from a 6600?

Just wondering whenever I feel like upgrading

It's in an awkward spot

[keen nacelle]

next gen, or 3070/6750xt and up

but if it were me id def do next gen

[rugged thunder]

Probably

I hope we get more energy efficient cards like the 6600

I just don't know what upgrades i could do atm

[woeful musk]

It runs perfectly fine

I’ve had 0 problems

It’s honestly not a bad psu at all

[keen nacelle]

It's a fine psu, but it most likely will not support any next generation gpu

[sonic mural]

Oh it will

Atx3.0 won't like make your current psu not work, theyll have adapters

They couldn't force a new standard that is barely coming out in everyone getting a new gen card, it'd be horrible for their sales

[hasty sphinx]

I guess I was going off what I knew with given information before. I didn't know about the limit of the cable at the point of writing this morning, but even then I wasn't to far off? I guess my comment stands to get an 850w and not to "future proof", I never said anything about hurrying up and running to the store to buy one RIGHT NOW.

But it makes sense to me to just buy something a bit over what you THINK you'll NEED because then there is no room for error.

[fading glacier]

you dont need an 850 on a 3070 rn, a 750 will do just fine

those are cards that run on 250w, even when they go2x it will be 500w + 150-200 for the rest of the system... 750 will do fine, 850+ should be a must on 3080 and up

hell, even a 300w gpu could work just fine on 750psu

[keen nacelle]

You don't even need a 600 on a 3070

[hasty sphinx]

I guess.. My 12600k hits 250w oced/undervolted so I don't feel it's to far off that a 850 would be to much for a 4070 (not 3070 because that's not what he said he'd get). If a 300w (rumored) card spikes 2x, that'd be 850w right there.. and that's not taking into account the power draw from anything else in the system. (although I don't really know how much extra that would be). So TO ME seems logical.

[fading glacier]

you are adding more variables to a simple problem

you are ocing now

not everyone oc

[hasty sphinx]

true, but what if he wanted to? If he gets a lower psu then he has less potential to?

That's all I'm saying. It seems the majority of people OC so that's what I'm going with

[fading glacier]

if you account ocing, yes you will need a bigger psu, but the average joe just go stock into the build, if he oc he should probably mention that

and, no, not everyone oc

its a minority in fact

[hasty sphinx]

not a lot of people think about mentioning that and I guess I could have asked first.

[hasty sphinx]

never said everyone

[hasty sphinx]

that's crazy because I feel like I hear most people talking about ocing.

especially if they are willing to spend a high $ amount on a system,

I get where you are all coming from, however to not take into account that someone might want to OC just because they didn't mention it seems like a failsight to me. Even if they didn't want to or think about it at the time of getting the system.. what if one day they decide they want to, especially in the future when their cpu or whatever is starting to get dated and they want to push just a little bit more performance from their hardware (we see this all the time). They would then have to spend more money to update their PSU when they could save that instead to put towards their next new system if they chose to get one.

This is what seems the most logical to me.

These PSU's whether they are 750/850/1kw all go on sale all the time so getting an 850 that's on sale ends up being the same price as the 750 or whatever seems most logical.

I get you guys are more tech savvy than I am, but (I'm not saying this to put anyone down), sometimes ya'll get set into a certain state of mind of that's just the way it has to be and everyone should adhere to it or they are wrong. PSU's last for years. So even "future proofing" certain items in your PC isn't a bad thing. Especially when it means you don't have to spend that money in the future to upgrade. When people build a high end PC they are essentially future proofing the whole PC as they will be using it for years.. Telling someone to buy what you need now and upgrade later is just more money spent.

That last sentence is within reason of course.

(side note) I'm not mad or triggered. These are just my thoughts.

[keen nacelle]

I'm also wondering what wattage atx 3.0 psus will be

Ofc there will be the "lower" wattage ones, but I'm both assuming there will be higher wattage ones than current gen, and 1200w+ will become not $300

Also wondering if the lower wattage psus like 450w will still be a thing

[odd siren]

I got really far with that guess...rip

https://twitter.com/g01d3nm4ng0/status/1540279592115933184

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Twitter · Jun 24, 2022, 10:24 AM

[late haven]

when the 40 series comes out im planning to get either a 6900xt or a 6950xt since i dont think the 4070 would be ideal for overclocking, is there much of a difference between the two when overclocked where its worth it to get the 6950xt over the 6900xt?

[livid idol]

6950 XT is basically just better memory, the core is the same

[livid idol]

There's provisions in the spec for all wattage ranges, they're only required to have the 12+4 connector when the total is over like 450W or something

[heady turtle]

6950 is actually a decent jump in perf

[livid idol]

Nothing you can't get with overclocking

Although some 6900 XTs might have trouble even getting the stock memory clock of the 6950

[odd siren]

The 6950's also have upgraded VRM's iirc

[livid idol]

Sometimes

[odd siren]

But yeah a good XTXH I could see getting close to a good 6950XT

[sonic mural]

also if you factor in SAM/Rebar, you gotta keep in mind 6900xt will be benefit more than 6950xt from it

not a huge thing but still worth considering

[late haven]

does the 6950xt also have xtxh models?

[livid idol]

They're all made from the XTXH models

That's really all the 6950 XT is, an overclocked XTXH 6900 XT

[late haven]

what about the reference model?

[livid idol]

Yes

[keen nacelle]

Meaning they'd be minimum 450w, or?

[livid idol]

No they can be under 450W, that's just the minimum where the 12+4 connector is required

If they want to be 3.0 compliant on lower power models they'll still have to meet the specs for load spikes and such

[lone pond]

Wow. the 6600 actually seems like its sufficient to my needs

Maybe I will only be spending $270 on a graphics card to get the job done until 40 series

[grim galleon]

Isn't the 40 series coming in late September?

[heady turtle]

About that

[sullen panther]

Yep just waiting for when that happens and hope that the older generations prices go down a good bit

[west flax]

$1840 bux worth for a 3090 Strix OC new?

[ivory herald]

Think about this, that's $740 more than a bstock evga FTW3 model often costs, so no.

[west flax]

swedish prices are this way unfortunately

i got my 3080 for $1120

[magic wing]

nah

[ivory herald]

That is why "we" don't use $ or USD, lol (unless you're in USA). I'll say if you don't need the 24GB vram for work, definitely not worth it. 3090 (ti) are the halo cards and really like the old Titan cards.

[magic wing]

this is why you dont convert

prices are different

list where ur from and how much in local currency

[west flax]

its 18990 swedish crowns

its a swedish store

[hasty sphinx]

How can I raise the power limit on my 1650 super (aside from msi afterburner because the slider is maxed at 110%)? HWinfo says my performance is reduced because of power limitations. Under a heavy load I currently pull 80w through the 6pin and only 27w through the pcie and I think I'm able to pull up to 75 through pcie right?

[keen nacelle]

That would require a vbios mod I believe

[fading glacier]

or a shunt mod

either of those are dangerous

did you really want to push your card even more?

[woeful musk]

Not planning on OCing but I’d still like to have a powerful machine considering I just built it and I want it to last (with upgrades when needed) What’s your suggestion I’m sort of confused since I’m getting multiple responses

[hasty sphinx]

I sit at 57-59c under heavy load so I figured I could prob push a bit more.

[keen nacelle]

Whats the budget? Wasn't here earlier

And if you don't care about cpu ocing, then a b660 is perfectly fine. Specifically the b660 mag mortar is great

[woeful musk]

CPU - Intel Core i7-12700KF
CPU Cooler - Noctua NH-U12A
Motherboard - ASUS TUF Gaming Z690-Plus
Ram - Crucial Ballistix 3200 MHz DDR4
Case - DeepCool CG560 Mid-Tower ATX Case
PSU - EVGA Supernova 650 GT, 80 Plus Gold 650W
GPU - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 (soon to be upgraded)
SSD - Crucial P5 1TB PCIe M.2 2280SS SSD

These are my specs I’ve upgraded everything put the gpu

[keen nacelle]

Ohh right

[woeful musk]

And I’m planning on getting next gen

[keen nacelle]

I remember now, just didn't remember your name

[woeful musk]

Ok

Not planning on OCing and I’m thinking about getting 4070

[hasty sphinx]

At this point it seems best to wait until they are released along with the new specced psus

[keen nacelle]

Atx 3.0 850 would be more than enough then

[woeful musk]

Ok

Will they be more expensive then

[hasty sphinx]

Tbh, I have no idea 😛

It's right around the corner and it's probably best to upgrade anyways.

[keen nacelle]

Best to wait till atx 3.0 psus are out if you plan to get a next gen gpu

[woeful musk]

I just built the pc

So it’s kind of frustrating

Like 2 weeks ago

[keen nacelle]

Yeah I get that, you might be able to run a 4060 on your current psu, maybe 4060 ti depending

With an adapter ofc

[woeful musk]

I’m just going to get the one worth 400-500$

And if I need a better psu for it I’ll ask

[keen nacelle]

Yeah thats 4060/ti area

[hasty sphinx]

I get it totally. I built my pc and then with in a month or 2 I was upgrading.. My solution to that problem? Started building another PC 😄

[keen nacelle]

4060 most likely won't be out till around February though

4060 ti, maybe December

[woeful musk]

Oh ok

[keen nacelle]

4080/70 I'm expecting somewhere around September

Nothing can be guaranteed of course, these are just guesstimates

[woeful musk]

Ok

[hasty sphinx]

Forg is really knowledgable so I tend to listen and let him take over with the info. Most times 😄

[keen nacelle]

Lmao, I appreciate that but you and many others have corrected me plenty of times

[tall lichen]

Sucks that the 6600xt is $400 again

[heady turtle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QRwypg/msi-radeon-rx-6600-xt-8-gb-mech-2x-oc-video-card-rx6600xt-mech2x-8goc it's 350

[tall lichen]

I hear that one is weak tho

[heady turtle]

For a 6600xt it's perfectly fine

That's the cheapest, there's not really much point paying for a model because then you've 20$'d yourself into the 6650xt

[tall lichen]

Now those have no difference between that and a 6600xt

[keen nacelle]

6650xt is similar to a 2080

6600xt is similar to a 2070s

[tall lichen]

I've seen the 6650xt and the benchmarks don't seem to make as much of a difference compared to a 6600 and the xt

[sonic mural]

It's a quite big difference

6600 non xt is closer to a 2060/2060 super

6600xt is basically a 2070 super

[livid idol]

I think they meant the 6650 XT vs the 6600 XT isn't a big jump.
But I'd still say it's big enough to be worth it, basically around a 2080.

[sonic mural]

Oh sure

But for $20 or whatever it's worth

[livid idol]

Yeah it's like $30 difference right now

Not counting the mech 2x

[sonic mural]

Yeah that's fair

[late haven]

Is a 6900xt/6950xt overkill for 1080p 280hz gaming? I currently use a tuf vg259qm. I feel like sticking to 1080p since my monitor is below 27 inches and 1440p high refresh monitors are expensive. I might even get this 390hz monitor from microcenter because of how cheap it is or is my monitor fine

[keen nacelle]

Over 165hz is useless for most people

[livid idol]

99% of the population can't reliably even tell the difference between 170 and 300 Hz

[keen nacelle]

^

[sonic mural]

but about 50% will say they can when asked lol, almost all placebo effect

[livid idol]

Yep but then when put to a blind test they can't pick reliably

[sonic mural]

yup

[wicked hound]

Also higher Hertz =/= better latency. For a long time, and potentially still now (havent check for a while), 280Hz was the highest you could go that was actually good. Anything above that would be worse due to bad backlight strobing.

Also input latency matters

[heady turtle]

I don't think asrock challenger is much better than mech and mech is like 15 cheaper so might as well go mech

[wispy olive]

Hi! I bought an old GPU yesterday and just tried to install drivers earlier. Once it finished installing it started to go black and back to what I was doing repeatedly, with a notification saying "force to reinstall graphics drivers." Any idea on how I could fix this?

[livid idol]

What GPU did you buy?

[wispy olive]

A 760

I know it's old but I don't really have a good source of money. Im still a student

[livid idol]

What version of drivers did you try to install?

[livid idol]

Try this version if you haven't already https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/189364/en-us/

[wispy olive]

I tried 368.81 and 461.72

My bad for taking so long to reply

[dreamy dragon]

cheesecake#4651 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[wispy olive]

Oops

What i was tryna say was I tried flashing the bios on it. I saw Jayztwocents try it on a 780ti but it didnt work bc the memory modules on it were messed up.

[vital oriole]

that driver doesn't work on 760

support ended for Kepler since last year

gotta use older drivers

[livid idol]

The one I linked does, it's the latest for 700 series. They dropped game ready drivers but they're still doing critical security fixes.

[hasty sphinx]

Should I be worried about scalpers with the 40 series?

I keep thinking that I won't be able to get one and should just grab a 30 series.

[ivory herald]

Perhaps for a month. I'm not gonna worry about it.

[hasty sphinx]

Will there be such a thing as preorder?

[livid idol]

No one can answer these questions but personally I don't think scalpers will be a problem

[solemn panther]

With crypto on heavy life support, I doubt it to

[hasty sphinx]

I wasn't sure if they did preorder type things in the past.

[livid idol]

Depends on the retailer

[hasty sphinx]

I see. Will it be just like FE version as first release? or will there be other companies?

like the gaming x trio and whatnot

[livid idol]

If past trends hold there should be multiple models launching from multiple companies

[rustic pulsar]

Where can I pre order my 4090 ti super duper uwu

[livid idol]

Probably 4070/80/90 and FE/partner models for each

[kind depot]

Will a EVGA 650 W 80+ gold semi modular be able to run this GPU?
https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=08G-P5-3767-KL

anyone know?

[livid idol]

Which model psu exactly, they have a few that match that desription

GQ?

[kind depot]

https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Modular-Warranty-Supply-210-GQ-0650-V1/dp/B017HA3SQ8/ref=asc_df_B017HA3SQ8/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=309807187084&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=8453892988842285746&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9016851&hvtargid=pla-382682102808&psc=1

[livid idol]

Yes GQ

[kind depot]

so it can

[livid idol]

That's a C tier power supply, it'll be tight but possible. I wouldn't do any overclocking and you probably want a low power CPU to go with it

[kind depot]

i got a i7 9700k

or should I just get a 3060ti

im just looking to upgrade my GPU

@livid idol

[livid idol]

You might be ok with that

[kind depot]

thats a big might

lol

[livid idol]

Since the processor probably won't let a 3070 reach its full power in some games it'll probably be ok, but if it starts shutting off when you play some games you know what the issue is

[kind depot]

i mostly play FiveM and some flight sim

[livid idol]

Yeah you'll be CPU bottlenecked in fs2020 for sure lol

Both probably

Should be ok I think

[kind depot]

so maybe just go with the 3060TI

to balance it

if that makes sense

[livid idol]

That's a little bit better match for your cpu but there's not really a problem with there being a bottleneck, you can just upgrade the cpu later

You'll never 100% eliminate bottlenecks anyway

[kind depot]

ya

I think Ill look into a 3060 Ti right now

thank you tho

[livid idol]

No problem

[lone pond]

9700k is plenty

you can look at the 6700xt

more vram and cheaper then 3060ti most of the time

[keen nacelle]

more vram is meaningless when it cant utilize it

it is slightly better, but more vram means nothing

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2kJgXL/powercolor-radeon-rx-6700-xt-12-gb-red-devil-video-card-axrx-6700xt-12gbd6-3dheoc

[velvet grail]

My disappointment is unmeasurable and my day is ruined
What is this!?

[keen nacelle]

Bad

[velvet grail]

Definitely
It's a 2070s

I think it gets to 90 or 100C easily

[ivory herald]

at TPU

[quaint turtle]

I’m going into engineering for college (more specifically mechanical), is an Intel Iris XE gpu good enough for the CAD software? Or should I go with a laptop with a 3050/3050ti?

[velvet grail]

autocad 3d will suffer with a iGPU like iris xe, if you can pick a 3050 laptop
That way it will last a bit long and could be used for gaming too

[hot folio]

If it helps at all, the minimum laptop for last year my college (Rensselaer Polytechnic) had a 3050 iirc

[quaint turtle]

I have an actual PC for gaming but thanks for the insight

[quaint turtle]

Okay thank you so much

[hot folio]

This year that minimum laptop was dropped to an iGPU however

Take a look into what your course requires and make your decision based off of that

What college are you going to?

[quaint turtle]

Ohio Northern University

The requirements are old and outdated so it doesn’t help much

[hot folio]

You’re going need to need at least a 3050 or higher

[heady turtle]

If you where going with igpu you'd want at least a ryzen 5000/6000 cpu instead on an intel one

But 3050 is usually around that price anyway just means you'll get less battery with 3050 etc

[quaint turtle]

Is the 3050 really going to drain a significant difference in battery?

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/msi-summit-e16-flip-2in1-16-touchscreen-laptop-i7-1195g7-32gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3050-1tb-ssd-black/6479985.p?skuId=6479985&ref=app_ios&loc=pdpShare

[vital oriole]

under load

[quaint turtle]

Would this be a good one?

[vital oriole]

the 3050 will consume quite a lot more

[quaint turtle]

i am looking for a 2in1 that I can use to write notes on

[keen nacelle]

1850 for a 3050 laptop physically hurts me

[vital oriole]

the price to pay for thin and light

but im sure there's zephyrus g14

[heady turtle]

A bit but more just how the laptops are made, usually you are sacrificing more battery for the gpu depends on the model but yeah when under load the dgpu will suck more power

[quaint turtle]

oof

[quaint turtle]

It’s cause of the 2in1, hurts me too

[heady turtle]

Also that laptop is horribly priced

[quaint turtle]

rlly?

[heady turtle]

Oh yeah

2x the price of a 3050 laptop for touchscreen 💀

[quaint turtle]

i am looking for a 2in1 laptop that is strong enough to run CAD software and do my school stuff. I already have a gaming PC so I don’t need anything crazy, I just want to be able to run good CAD software with no issues

and something that will hopefully last all 4 years of college

[wheat crag]

Do 3 slot gpus not have a lot of sag? Asking cause I remember some guy said that they were more stable or something

And I haven’t noticed any sag on my 3090 fe with a big oh heatsink on it

[fading glacier]

sag is easily solved with some lego blocks

or an action figure

[wheat crag]

U make a good point

[sonic mural]

This is mine, works great

[wheat crag]

Lmao

Is there a chance the plastic could melt?

[fading glacier]

problem starts when you leave a heavy gpu suspended without some support

[sonic mural]

Nah

[fading glacier]

nah

[sonic mural]

Lego plastic couldn't melt in there

[fading glacier]

theres no direct contact with the metal fins to start melting

[wheat crag]

I’m prob gonna build some technic Lego and put an asus sticker on it

[fading glacier]

should be like 50c inside, not enough to melt lego

[sonic mural]

Yeah

Lego melts around 100c iirc

[wheat crag]

I think the fins do make contact

It’s an fe

[fading glacier]

no, you touch the plastic cover

[wheat crag]

Oh alright

Like the outside part right

The silver?

[fading glacier]

yeah, you can solve that with a lot of ingenuity

[cerulean rover]

Lego melts at 105c, and if the exterior of your GPU is 105c, you have bigger issues

[wheat crag]

I’m going to build some weird looking Lego later

[normal hawk]

they made a lego set of me?

[fading glacier]

you wish

[wheat crag]

U ain’t worth the Lego resources

and I also have barely any room in my case

[normal hawk]

😭

[fading glacier]

quite a strange fan config

you are sucking air at the exhaust fan o.O

those two are fighting each other

is a never ending cycle of hot air from your rad

[cerulean rover]

Would be fun if you could use Schlieren imaging there

[wheat crag]

If I had knew what parts I was gonna buy I would’ve gotten a bigger case

Initially was gonna do a ryzen 9 3900x and a 3070

With an air cooler

Then it turned into intel with a 3090 and an aio

[fading glacier]

thing is, that fan on top of your gpu is.... not

remove that plz D:

[wheat crag]

The fan?

[fading glacier]

hurting your airflow instead of helping

[wheat crag]

Doesn’t really hurt it

Helps it a lil bit actually by having an actively cooled backplate

and I also use an airflow case

[keen nacelle]

I wouldn't recommend that

[wheat crag]

Doesn’t show in the picture but I have two fans on top to

[keen nacelle]

I also wouldn't recc 3090 lol

3900x not modern cpu, beaten by 12600kf for gaming which tends to be cheaper

[wheat crag]

It was before that came out

[keen nacelle]

3080 12gb is $850 and is within 8% of 3090 for gamingn

[fading glacier]

not about how many fans you have, its about the airflow they are making

[wheat crag]

Like 2020

[keen nacelle]

Ah ok

5000 series would've been the better choice at that time then

[fading glacier]

to my eyes its a lot of turbulence, but thats my opinion

between the exhaust fan and the top fan on your gpu

[wheat crag]

Helps cooldown the vram quite a bit

Pretty good trade off

And without the glass it goes down like 2 or 3c iirc

[fading glacier]

well, without the glass airflow doesnt matter anymore 😛

[normal hawk]

3090 only if you need the vram ye

[livid idol]

Yes, NEED and not "need"

[wicked hound]

Need >16GB VRAM without use of shared/virtual VRAM*

[storm kraken]

Should I give up gsync and get a AMD gpu? I’m looking to upgrade and weighing my options

[livid idol]

Modern Gsync is just rebranded Freesync anyway

You're not giving anything up except some raytracing performance

But if you have a working GPU it might be worth waiting until next gen launches in a few months

[wicked hound]

Could be old monitor with gsync only

[livid idol]

Those were pretty rare and expensive though

[wheat crag]

Or it was the only gpu at bb for 1080p gaming

[livid idol]

3060s weren't all that hard to get a couple months after they launched

[wheat crag]

3060s are lame tho

[livid idol]

But great for 1080p

[wheat crag]

I could’ve gotten a 3070 aourus at launch but my dad did t want to drive to Houston lol

Getting a gpu at bb was easy for launch

[livid idol]

There was a point where I'd considered driving all the way to LA (my nearest MC), a whole 12+ hour drive. I decided my 2070 I got factory refurb for $380 worked well enough.

That was a really nice model 2070 too, performed like a super model.

[wheat crag]

I’d just buy an overpriced card at the at point

Going to Houston is like a 3 hr drive for me

I got my card at my local bb tho when they started to drop them in store

Just had to ask them if they had gpus I. The back

[livid idol]

That's kinda what I did, I started entering the Newegg shuffle and eventually "won" a 3090 for $2300. I hated it. I sold it. And stood in line at Best Buy for 16 hours to get a 3080 ti FE instead.

[wheat crag]

That sucks, I asked my dad to go to bb and ask if they had gpu in stock, and he also has a 10% off coupon at bb so the 3090 was below msrp

[livid idol]

Oh it was the FE? Not bad at all

[wheat crag]

Yea

[woeful stump]

Should I be concerned about that junction temp?

5700xt

[keen nacelle]

Seems about normal for a 5700xt I believe

[woeful stump]

Seen it hit 109 just now

[sonic mural]

What model? Mech 2x or reference?

[woeful stump]

Mech oc

[sonic mural]

Yeah that's sounds kinda expected of those, I'd personally undervolt if it were me tho

[woeful stump]

Using beep beep software (adrenalin) ?

[sonic mural]

Adrenaline would work

[woeful stump]

Or msi hornet

[sonic mural]

@mighty island best way to uv a 5700xt? Adrenaline or afterburner better?

Not sure since I haven't really undervolted mine

P sure adrenaline has auto uv but figured you'd know best cause you uv yours

[woeful stump]

I did once, but beep beep software gave me some kinda wattman error

[keen nacelle]

Afterburner didn't work for my 6800xt

I would change settings and nothing would happen, just wouldn't affect the gpu

[woeful stump]

I just left it all at default

[keen nacelle]

So I'd try adrenalin, unless someone else comes and says otherwise

[woeful stump]

Ok thanks fellas.

[woeful stump]

Ok tried wattman

Not instead of a constant 108 rangeish

It falls below 100 at times n back up

[mighty island]

adrenaline

[mighty island]

mech oc is the worst cooler design for 5700xt

so yeah, expected

110C is the limit

100 is fine

[woeful stump]

Ight sir

[sonic mural]

lol did you like my guess of the two possible models?

[woeful stump]

But bow I feel bad about buying it lol

So I should only cry if it goes above 110, that's when I bring out the hammer n start smashing.

Is there a thing as to maybe change cooler?

Or put my pc in chilled distilled water?

[keen nacelle]

What case do you have, out of curiosity

[woeful stump]

Some kinda wait lemme go find a link

[livid idol]

Water would short it but pure mineral oil works

[woeful stump]

MUSETEX 6pcs 120mm ARGB Fans and... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01CHGZL94?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

Some reason it ain't exists anymore

[cerulean rover]

Glass front panel or mesh front panel version

[woeful stump]

But it's a musetex

Mesh front glass side

[livid idol]

Is the mech oc reference PCB?

[woeful stump]

The card?

Meck oc

[cerulean rover]

Ig you could still try taking the side panel off

[livid idol]

@mighty island Do you know if mech oc is reference?

[woeful stump]

Can't. Location calls for a very curious Lil girl.

[cerulean rover]

Looks too small to be reference to me

[livid idol]

Hmm ok

@woeful stump Maybe try the washer mod and new paste instead of a custom cooler. https://youtu.be/S0eYigMcgpg

[woeful stump]

Dang was looking at water blocks

Hella expensive

[livid idol]

Yeah they don't make them any more so any that are left will be used or super expensive

You could do a universal bracket AIO solution

[sonic mural]

spendy tho unless you already have a spare aio

[livid idol]

Not super expensive it looks like

[sonic mural]

yeah but youd need an aio

so probs at least $100 after everything

[livid idol]

Oh easily, and if you do a kit with a full coverage block around $160-200

[sonic mural]

yeah

im thinking of cheap uni aio bracket plus a clc

that would probs be ~$100

[livid idol]

Yeah that would be the cheapest reasonable option

Won't be pretty but it'll be cold

[sonic mural]

yea

[woeful stump]

Mmmm how about the kraken g12?

Might as well slap an aio in there

[livid idol]

Sure, it's been done before too

https://youtu.be/nLSGQ0_2FKo

You may want to put mini heatsinks on the memory

[tall lichen]

So

If you had to pick between a Mech2x card or a powercolor card which would you pick?

[livid idol]

Which model powercolor

[tall lichen]

6600xt if that makes sense

[livid idol]

The fighter, red devil, or hellhound?

[tall lichen]

Fighter my bad

[livid idol]

Doesn't really matter both are kinda bad

[tall lichen]

Do you mean the Mech 2x and Powercolor?

[livid idol]

Between those 2 models of 6600 XT yes

[tall lichen]

Ah shucks. Well at least I didn't buy them

[livid idol]

Fighter is slightly better than the mech 2x but ehhhh

[odd siren]

Either will get the job done but yeah both not great

[livid idol]

XFX SWFT 210 would be better and is the same price as Fighter

[tall lichen]

I haven't seen those

[livid idol]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/tWJgXL/xfx-radeon-rx-6600-xt-8-gb-speedster-swft-210-video-card-rx-66xt8dfdq

[tall lichen]

Oh yeah those. I haven't seen them below $400 recently my bad

[woeful stump]

Yup. Just ordered.

Now to get an actual aio.

[sonic mural]

Clc 280/360 is decent priced rn

Stock fans are just a bit loud

[livid idol]

No need for a 360 on a 5700 XT

240 is plenty

280 if it's not much more

Yeah 280 for $62 seems to be the way

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N16CAKN

[restive grove]

Howdy ho, I have a 3080 question?

Is 3-4 Fps all I get between 8GB, 10GB, and 12GB versions?

[keen nacelle]

3080 12gb is the way to go

And there isn't an 8gb 3080

3080 12gb msi gaming z trio is $850 consistently

[normal hawk]

Mobile

[livid idol]

technically correct

but then there's a lot more than a few fps difference there

[keen nacelle]

Judging by the fact they said 10 and 12, they aren't talking about mobile

[normal hawk]

Mobile is probably what made them think there was an 8gb 😛

its better to tell them, the 8gb is mobile rather than "it doesn't exist"

[restive grove]

It's going to be mated with a 360mm AIO cooled Ryzen 5800X3D cpu

There is no way I am buying a RTX 3090

[normal hawk]

You shouldn't

[restive grove]

sadly even my old strix gtx 1060 runs SW Squadrons at 144 fps on ultra settings, so I want to upgrade to a 4k monitor as well.

[sonic mural]

a thermally throttling 5800x3d?

[livid idol]

It should be ok since it doesn't let you overclock

[restive grove]

No it doesn't throttle since I dropped the 240mm for a 360mm

[normal hawk]

If you get a 5000D Airflow you can fit corsairs 420mm rad

[livid idol]

Nah go full send with the torrent

[restive grove]

lol I did better

Its housed in a Lian Li Mesh RGB

[keen nacelle]

3080 12gb

3080 10gb tend to be barely less expensive

And 3080 12gb games very similarly to a 3090

Or, suffer with the 1060 for a while longer and go 40 series

[odd siren]

With 40 series so close it's definitely worth waiting to know

[restive grove]

The only thing I fear now is dust and what the toddlers may do to a HOTAS if left withing reach

[livid idol]

Considering the 4070 is supposed to beat the 3090 waiting would be worth it

[restive grove]

I's rather build a x670 for a 4k card

This is to finish up my X570

[keen nacelle]

That... doesn't make sense but ok

[restive grove]

My hope is that the 4000 series dumps the prices on 3k cards

[livid idol]

Then you'll be waiting anyway

[odd siren]

It might but also 4070 may sell at launch for less than the 3080 12gb now and just be better

[restive grove]

Come on, I got burned by scalpers in the retailers on launch day on my birthday

And I don't know what the PSU cable requirements are for the 4k series

[wheat crag]

I remember saying that too lol

[restive grove]

I am not buying a new PSU just for that card.

[livid idol]

They'll have adapters for the 12+4 connector

The adapter will just be limited to 450W

[restive grove]

I respectfully pass

[livid idol]

(525W total max including slot)

And that's only the 4090 and 4080 that will have ridiculous power draws, 4070 is more modest at 300W

[odd siren]

Even if it's just to know how it'll turn out it's worth waiting lol

[restive grove]

Build a new X670 AM5 with a 7k Series X3D for the new 4K series cards, that would be more fun

[keen nacelle]

Ok

[restive grove]

I kinda like having my tech in line rather than mixing generations

[livid idol]

7000X3D will be a refresh after the first run, launching middle of next year (maybe)

[keen nacelle]

That also makes 0 sense

5800x3d released this year

[normal hawk]

"Modest"

[keen nacelle]

30 series did not

[restive grove]

I am patient enough to wait, I have to buy two to three 3070's and two 3080's

[normal hawk]

Why so many

[keen nacelle]

Kids builds

[restive grove]

You got it, nailed it

[normal hawk]

Just get em 6600xt's and call it a day

[keen nacelle]

I would know, I've been here most of the times you've asked for help

You're the antec shill, no?

[normal hawk]

I'm the Gigglebyte shill.

[restive grove]

Kids have two Asus Tuf B450, one MSI B450, one MSI B550, plus my own X570

[normal hawk]

except PSU's

[keen nacelle]

No

[keen nacelle]

Then by your own logic shouldn't those b450s have 20 series gpus lol

[odd siren]

Lol

[normal hawk]

6600xt unless your kids are streaming or 3d modeling is my vote.

They really don't need 3070's and 3080's. don't waste your money on them xD

[livid idol]

I'm more looking forward to how AMD 7000 GPUs are going to be. Shaking things up by not increasing power by much and moving to MCM, should be interesting at least.

[normal hawk]

I'm lookin at those RDNA 2 APU's

[restive grove]

They are all Nvidia fanboys and girls, I buy a Radeon and I'll need a bottle of Naptime (TM)

[normal hawk]

7000G will be great I hope.

[odd siren]

If rdna 3 gets it right the first try, I'm not hesitating for the top dog

[livid idol]

Imagine a Switch with one of those

[keen nacelle]

I'm planning on skipping next gen, unless I get a cheap one used

Oh

[normal hawk]

I would hope so. But I feel like Nintendo wants to stay with ARM

[keen nacelle]

Do you think atx 3.0 psus will be able to support 8 pin gpus?

[odd siren]

Yes

[livid idol]

Yes, they have both

[keen nacelle]

I want to get a new psu when I switch builds, and keep my gpu

Oh sick

Just gotta hope they're not expensive as hell

[wheat crag]

Could just get a console

[restive grove]

The kids upgrades depends more on them doing chiors, I'm buying them all used mining gpu's for cheap

[keen nacelle]

I've mined on my 3060 ti for over a year

It still is top 100 on timespy

Mining does not decrease performance

[odd siren]

I have to question this though, the Kingpin is gonna have 2 12vhpwr for sure. When will we see a psu that has two of these lol

[keen nacelle]

Not if kept in good condition and within safe Temps

[livid idol]

This is just the first confirmed ATX 3.0 PSU coming out, more will come.

[wheat crag]

I mined on my 3090 for like a week while I was at school then decided 20$ wasn’t worth it lol

[livid idol]

Until then, adapters exist

[odd siren]

Inb4 1600W dual 12vhpwr

[restive grove]

Right, new hardware for a new build

[keen nacelle]

I know we can't predict the future and it's probably redundant to ask this, but do you have any guesses on what the prices will be when they first launch?

[restive grove]

I'd say 400+

[livid idol]

That wasn't in the leak

[keen nacelle]

I put my mining money to pc upgrade as. I quit mining recently with eth on life support, but I bought a laptop for $700 and going to be buying a raptor lake cpu and mobo with mining money

[restive grove]

brb or playing Diablo Immortal

[keen nacelle]

Hah no

[odd siren]

It's gonna be more compared to the current market, early adoption tax likely lol

[keen nacelle]

In the 200s for 1000w units, maybe

[restive grove]

Decent 850 watt PSU's already cost a easy 200

[keen nacelle]

Not 400

[keen nacelle]

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU LOOKING AT

The g6 850 (one of the best osus on the market) is $105

[restive grove]

I can see it doubled if depand exceeds supply

[keen nacelle]

The 1000w is $140

[odd siren]

Decent 850W are in the 85 to 115 range

[keen nacelle]

Rm 850 is $120

Mpg $115

Leadex iii 125

[livid idol]

Here's what I think will be a game changer on these new PSUs, currently we're only recommending more than you need to account for transient spikes up to double your average draw. With the ATX 3.0 spec requiring good response up to triple draw on the 12VHPWR connector, we should theoretically be able to use lower power PSUs again and not have to worry.

[keen nacelle]

GT 850 is $95

[restive grove]

kids are on me to light sparklers brb

[odd siren]

True

[keen nacelle]

Thats super cool

I didn't know about any of that

[livid idol]

So yeah, even though the 4090 may be a 500W GPU, you shouldn't need more than a 850W PSU if the transient response is in spec for 3.0

[keen nacelle]

I'm planning to go for a ~1000w psu or so so I can keep it for a while, I should've gone for the 850 rmx instead of the 650 but I was short sighted

[wheat crag]

I’m prob going to upgrade my cpu/mobo on Christmas or something when new generations come out

Or just build a new pc

[odd siren]

I feel like now is a good time to summon the wisdom of Luke 👀

[livid idol]

It's a holiday, I'd leave em alone

[keen nacelle]

I'm hoping a good amount of atx 3.0 psus are out by November or so so we can get proper reviews

[wheat crag]

Cap

I have an overpriced asus psu that cost that much

But it has braided cables

[odd siren]

Pretty asus things

Kekw

[keen nacelle]

Ye, I gave multiple examples of high end 850s at current pricing

And a high end 1000

[livid idol]

My RM850x cost $120 plus the 12 pin FE cable for $25, so even with the extra cable I'm well under $200

[keen nacelle]

I'm very curious to see what nvidia is going to do for 40 series laptops

[odd siren]

I have honestly no clue

Mobile might be scuffed

Lmao

[livid idol]

No way they can scale the power

[keen nacelle]

It would be a genuinely acceptable choice to not make them lol

[livid idol]

Or do 4070m max

[keen nacelle]

Or maybe only for the low end gpus, 4060 ti and lower