graphics-cards

[restive grove]

I had a AMD XP cpu with a GF 5500 agpx8 vga card

my upgrade was a Asus SLI Deluxe with a 939 socket AMD64 cpu with two GT 6800 pcie cards in SLI

Never coluld afford the FX-60 cpu

[ivory herald]

I have an FX 5600 then a 5950 Ultra. Yea the 6000 series is when they started to use & take advantage of PCie. My 7800 GS agp still beat the 6800 GT though, lol. Was fun to have pretty much the final agp card. Later I did a moderate upgrade to 8800 GTS 512 I think. Those FX-60 & similar cpus were great, but for no reason I ended up w/ the 3.06 P4 and kept it a while until "wolfy" showed up (E8400 wolfdale). Good times.

[restive grove]

This elephant btw is still in the room

It's sitting in a Cooler Master CM Storm mid tower waiting for me to replace the mobo

Come on you know you love collecting antiques, btw I hate autospell

But if it makes you happy you've talked me into buying three RTX 3060TI for the kids B450/Ryzen 5600X gaming rigs

Rather than buying them three used RTX 2080 Super used GPU

[restive grove]

Lol no microcenters in Florida so where $175. each Ebay purchases

[ivory herald]

Don't agonize over $20 here and there.

[magic wing]

no u count the dollar just chills there

it doesnt know numbers to count

smh

[ivory herald]

Says a 3090 owner

[magic wing]

lol

[livid idol]

So many not pato's around

[magic wing]

LOL i was on vc with pato at the time it was very funny

We were playing a game of cold war

game gets over, we look at discord, literally 4 patos in general cvhat

[livid idol]

I was there for the planning phase in mod channel, but I was busy

[magic wing]

I was tea cup pato

loll

[fading glacier]

yo guys, not the right channel i know, but i need help for a friend, trying to build mobo+cpu and memory on a 600 budget, he already have the gpu and everything else... only amazon and on the US no problem. thx in advance 🙂

[brisk flame]

you should have your friend come here and ask, helping via proxy usually ends up being annoying and nobody usually wants to do it

i can make a suggestion, but then this friend is gonna be like "oh, yada yada yada intel whatever" then i have to answer his question through you

pita

you relay the messages wrong, he doesnt get context clues

etc

[fading glacier]

gotcha, ill tell him that

[little pond]

Any good recommendations for a GPU that handles 4k well with a 3.0 pcie

[ivory herald]

gtx 970 handles 4k youtube n netflix.

[little pond]

Lel shouldve specified gaming

[ivory herald]

I know, haha. 4k well & pcie 3 is dependent on game, and I'd say 2080 at minimum, or certain AMD cards that I don't know well. Of course pcie is generally backwards compatible and a 3070/3080 would be fine on 3.0 x16.

[little pond]

I was debating on a 2080 but i was always curious about a 3080 and how much i can get out of it for the price id be paying

[ivory herald]

Yea seeing how old 30 series is at this point and we're nearly to 40 series, I'd probably skip 20 series. Remember even the 3060 Ti beats the 2080 (non-Ti). 4K is a lot of pixels to push. People often do 3070 just for 1440p.

[livid idol]

You can run a 3090 on 3.0 x16 without any bottleneck

[keen nacelle]

4k gaming is altogether a meme. I would recommend 1440p and a better gpu, or a 3080 12gb

[livid idol]

Yeah the only things running at 4k high without hacks like DLSS and at decent frame rates, are esports games and Doom.

[heady turtle]

And playing eSports at 4k is a meme

[normal hawk]

no u

[lone pond]

So i think i'm going to buy a RX 6600 XT

anything i should know

[keen nacelle]

the meaning of life is 42

[lone pond]

interesting

i will cherish this memory until i am 42

[keen nacelle]

cool

[keen nacelle]

as for the 6600xt, if youre taking out a gpu from your pc make sure you undo the pcie lock

[lone pond]

what's that?

[keen nacelle]

make sure your psu will support it (although itd be fine on a 450w)

power supply

id make sure its atleast c tier or higher on the tier list in #cases-psu-and-cooling

[lone pond]

hm

ok

i think i should be fine

[keen nacelle]

what psu do you have?

[lone pond]

don't remember the exact model

hold on

it's a 450W

[keen nacelle]

doesnt tell me much, theres good 450w psus and theres 450w psus that will explode

[lone pond]

i'm getting the brand hold on

it's the Rosewill ARC Series 450W Gaming Power Supply 80 plus bronze

i've been told it's good

i've had no problems so far

[keen nacelle]

@heady turtle you heard of that psu?

it isnt on the tier list

oh wat

yes it is

its tier e

you definitely want to replace that

[heady turtle]

It's not good especially a 450w :(

[keen nacelle]

tier E is basically tier explode

[lone pond]

so new PSU?

[keen nacelle]

definitely

how much would you want to spend on one?

[lone pond]

uhhh

like 100$

CAD

[keen nacelle]

kk one sec

[whole gazelle]

Please don’t tell me people here use power supply tier lists

[keen nacelle]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/z9CD4D/antec-earthwatts-gold-pro-550w-80-gold-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-ea550g-pro id go for this, psu prices a lil wack atm

[keen nacelle]

k

[lone pond]

why?

[keen nacelle]

some people believe theyre stupid because they dont think theres any actual info behind it

but they would be very mistaken

[lone pond]

is this the best in this range?

550W?

[keen nacelle]

i mean, for the price

[whole gazelle]

💀

[keen nacelle]

you can get a 750 for a bit over 100

[lone pond]

like it won't blowup

[keen nacelle]

its A tier, best tier

[lone pond]

i'd rather not spend much more

[keen nacelle]

kk

its more than enough for a 6600xt

[lone pond]

already going to be cutting it close

[keen nacelle]

youd be fine to run a 6700xt or 3070 on it

6600xt will be perfectly fine

[lone pond]

i guess i'll have to figure out to to do cable management again

[whole gazelle]

Where is this power supply tier list then

[keen nacelle]

pinned in #cases-psu-and-cooling

[lone pond]

and i've been told to not mix and match cords

[keen nacelle]

@vestal spruce is one of the editors and creators of it

[lone pond]

i assume that applies here aswell

[keen nacelle]

yeah, dont use cords from one psu for another

[lone pond]

ok cool

i guess i'll have to order it then

[keen nacelle]

whats your current gpu btw?

[vestal spruce]

It's a focus

[lone pond]

GTX 950

it's old

[keen nacelle]

makes sense why you havent had issues then

[vestal spruce]

Just with a worse fan

[keen nacelle]

the rosewill?

or the earthwatts

[lone pond]

101 CAD

i can do that

[keen nacelle]

?

[lone pond]

for the PSU

[heady turtle]

Yes because they're generally a good indication of quality

[keen nacelle]

the earthwatts is $70 tho

[lone pond]

Tax

and amazon

[keen nacelle]

$30 tax...?

[heady turtle]

You can deffo get a good 650 for not too much more

[lone pond]

79.99 plus tax

[keen nacelle]

oh, why not order from the pccanada site

[keen nacelle]

you could take a look, i looked for the ones i normally do but couldnt find much

[lone pond]

i've never bought from there before

[keen nacelle]

cheapest 650 was $100

[lone pond]

it also doesn't show now

no match

on PCcanada

[keen nacelle]

oh

oof

alright one moment then

[lone pond]

i've got 100$ cash, it's either right on the dot or under it

i'd rather not use credit or take out from my bank

[keen nacelle]

i cant find much under 100 after shipping off amazon other than that

next best would be this, but thatd be over budget https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/fq4BD3/phanteks-amp-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ph-p750g_us01

since its 101 without tax

[lone pond]

sold out online

[keen nacelle]

on amazon?

[lone pond]

on newegg

[keen nacelle]

ah

[lone pond]

126$

can't do that unfortunately

[keen nacelle]

ye

[lone pond]

is 550W enough for the GPU though

[keen nacelle]

ye, might not be a ton of room for future upgradability though. Might end up needing a new psu whenever you upgrade

[lone pond]

ok well

https://www.newegg.ca/aresgame-agw-550w/p/1HU-02S4-00010?Description=550W powersupply&cm_re=550W_powersupply-_-9SIAU6PDSG4897-_-Product

there's this one

[keen nacelle]

pls no

aresgame is absolutely terrible

[lone pond]

Is rosewill good?

[keen nacelle]

i hate brand generalizations, but aresgame and gamesmax are the never ever buy brands

rosewill has some good models, the one you have is not among them unfortunately

model is more important than brand

which is why the tier list exists

[lone pond]

https://www.newegg.ca/rosewill-arc-series-arc-550-continuous-550w-40-degree-c/p/N82E16817182297?Description=550W powersupply&cm_re=550W_powersupply-_-17-182-297-_-Product

there's this

[keen nacelle]

Corsair has a few A tier psus, and then has an E tier psu

as i said, if its not high ranked on the tier list i would not buy it

that wouldnt be an upgrade from what you have

[lone pond]

ok but will it blow up if i buy it

[keen nacelle]

it might

i cant garauntee if it will or not, but its a risk with buying that

[lone pond]

https://www.newegg.ca/rosewill-photon-series-photon-550-continuous-550w-40-degree-c/p/N82E16817182321?Description=550W powersupply&cm_re=550W_powersupply-_-17-182-321-_-Product

this

[keen nacelle]

so i dont mean this to sound rude

but linking random psus doesnt help much

most of the random cheap psus you find will not be good

if you want something a bit cheaper, get this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RkjBD3/asus-tuf-gaming-b-550-w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-tuf-gaming-550b

its B tier

[lone pond]

this one is B tier from what it looks like

[keen nacelle]

or this for a 650 https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Dn8bt6/asus-tuf-gaming-650-w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-tuf-gaming-650b

[keen nacelle]

it is b tier, just overpriced

[lone pond]

oh actually

this one looks good

[keen nacelle]

it is non modular though

[lone pond]

i've already got a non modular

[keen nacelle]

ah ok

imo it might be worth getting the 650, just since it leaves a bit more room for upgrading later on, but its up to you

[lone pond]

i'm not looking for high end stuff

[keen nacelle]

either will be more than enough for your current build

[lone pond]

i probably wont be upgrading for a while

[keen nacelle]

alright

[lone pond]

and this one is 125$

which i just do not have

[keen nacelle]

wat https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08MV7FBPS?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

you do live in canada, right?

WAIT

have i been looking on US pcp this entire time

wow i am an idiot

[lone pond]

119$ for final price sorry

[keen nacelle]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/RkjBD3/asus-tuf-gaming-b-550-w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-tuf-gaming-550b

there

i feel so stupid wow

[lone pond]

it's fine

i'm a patient dude

[lone pond]

ok well i'm ordering it now

[keen nacelle]

alr

[lone pond]

hopefully it won't cause me too much trouble

[keen nacelle]

my cable management is terrible, if you dont care much about looks as long as everything is fully plugged in and out of the way its fine

[lone pond]

yeah

i'll probably have a friend help me out

well it's been ordered

now we wait

[heady turtle]

@lone pond https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/WCNgXL/cooler-master-v-gold-v2-650-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-mpy-650v-agbag-us

[tall lichen]

If I were to get a gpu should I get the 6600 or the xt version?

[fading glacier]

if you have the coin xt is better

in the pins you have a rough performance of GPU's in gaming for a quick perspective

[tropic remnant]

If you have the coin 6650 XT is better

[hot folio]

If you have the coin 6700 XT is better

[fading glacier]

thats why he asked between those 2 options....

cause if you have the coin you can go all the way to 6950xt

[rustic pulsar]

at that point why not get a 3090 ti

[keen nacelle]

becuase 6950xt beats it in gaming

and is $900 cheaper

[rustic pulsar]

it does?

hang on

[keen nacelle]

if not, its within like 3%

since there isnt a kingpin 3090 ti (yet, and idt there will be tbh), i believe in ocing the asrock oc formula beats 3090 ti

[rustic pulsar]

3090 ti wins in almost all games but not by much

[livid idol]

Certainly not by a margin that's worth over 2k

Just get a 6900 XT and overclock it. All you get with a 6900 XT is basically better binned memory and a factory overclock.

[magic pebble]

Just when I have to rush stuff for school, my GPU just yeeted itself

[livid idol]

Oof, that's a bad one too.

[magic pebble]

Indeed

[livid idol]

When you get a chance see if it still does it in safe mode

If so it's RMA time if it's in warranty

[magic pebble]

Nah it's an old card anyways, a GTX 970

Too bad it didn't took that long for me to enjoy it

[livid idol]

Yeah that's what, 5+ years old? About right as far as GPU lifespan

[magic pebble]

Indeed

[livid idol]

🪦

Still check safe mode though

[magic pebble]

And I guess some bad perks about buying second hand GPU lol

Yeah the GPU kinda works fine on safe mode but it crashed frequently

crashes*

[livid idol]

If it's crashing in safe mode there's definitely a problem

[magic pebble]

Giving that Whea_uncorrectable_error code

Definitely an hardware problem

[livid idol]

Wait, WHEA? That's usually system memory or infinity fabric

[magic pebble]

Microsoft says it's caused by various hardware defects or corrupt driver

Idk, might try on different PC if it still has life to be spared

I'm sure my memory is fine and infinity fabric shouldn't be that of an issue as I'm on Zen 1 and at 2666mhz Ram (defaulted my bios)

[livid idol]

I'd still try clearing CMOS too. If possible trying the GPU in another PC would definitely help narrow it down.

[odd siren]

Whea's are usually ram or IF related, not gpu

I believe also can be unstable cpu cores. Been a minute since I've touched ryzen

[magic pebble]

And oh, it also started on Event Viewer that it's caused by Kernel-Power with error code 41, no dump though

[hot folio]

I think I’m mentally challenged… I just realized now that zen, zen+, zen 2, etc just comes from Ryzen…

[magic pebble]

Don't forget Zen 3 xD

[odd siren]

Ry+ Ry2 Ry3

[hot folio]

Woah

[livid idol]

That's not a cause code, it's a symptom code

Just means it didn't shut down properly

Having no error dump also points at memory

You could have a stick that decided to unlife itself

[magic pebble]

Memory huh, that should be weird as it's just a month old lol

Oh btw here's my specs

Ryzen 5 1600
Gskill Ripjaws V 16GB 3200Mhz
Zotac GTX 970
MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC
Corsair CX650
1x 500gb M.2 + 1x 256gb M.2 + 2x 1TB HDD + 2x 500gb HDD

[livid idol]

It's not corsair memory is it

[magic pebble]

Nah, maybe worse

[livid idol]

Ah g.skill, could just be bad luck then

[odd siren]

So it's not running xmp? That makes it all the more suspect its ram stability

[livid idol]

Updating your bios may also help with stability

[magic pebble]

It's on latest

[livid idol]

Clear cmos then

[magic pebble]

Already did that in the first place :(

Forgot to say, sorry

[livid idol]

Ok, try one stick of memory at a time

[magic pebble]

Alr gimme a sec

[livid idol]

The nice thing about g.skill is lifetime warranty, if it is that

[magic pebble]

If its another memory issue again, I'm quitting Ryzen for sure, this might be the third time I bought RAM lol

And had issues with it*

[odd siren]

If you aren't using a lot of ram rn you could take a stick out and address it later after work

[livid idol]

Third time? Maybe memory controller, first gen ryzen has... issues

[magic pebble]

My thoughts also, we'll see

[livid idol]

Zen+ (2000) fixed a lot of the issues from original Zen. Then Zen 2 started pushing the envelope more, and really got competitive with Intel. Zen 3 is

[magic pebble]

Was gonna upgrade this to 3600 but :p this happened

[keen nacelle]

i mean, 3200 seems a bit high with a 1600. I would set it to 3000

[magic pebble]

Still glitching

[magic pebble]

I'm on stock 2133 now

[keen nacelle]

i mean, ram speed is relative. having 3600 mhz ram on a low end intel cpu doesnt mean itll be better than a decent amd cpu with 2333mhz ram

[livid idol]

Ok, last thing before calling it the CPU is to put the GPU in another PC and see what it does

[livid idol]

I think he meant R5 3600? Not 100% sure though

[magic pebble]

R5 3600*

[keen nacelle]

ahhh

that makes more sense

[livid idol]

That would be a huge upgrade for you. And if it's the CPU having issues it might come sooner rather than later.

[magic pebble]

Alright, I might ping you guys later though, brb for some time and I'll walk to my friend's place for his PC

[livid idol]

Ok, no hurry.

If we're not on someone else will be able to help.

[magic pebble]

[odd siren]

could also do 5600x on that b450 for $10 more than a 3600

[keen nacelle]

i doubt theyd be buying the 3600 new

[odd siren]

yea I was about to say unless 2nd hand

lol

[whole gazelle]

3600 can be considered new still here

At least for stock lmao both came in 2019 so that isn’t too long for stock to be dropped in retail

[keen nacelle]

in most countries they go for the same as a 5600 when theyre both new

[whole gazelle]

Yikes

I wasn’t even saying to pick a 3600 over a 5600

[whole gazelle]

I was just saying stock for the 3600 still exist

[keen nacelle]

ok

[vital oriole]

3600 costs the same as 5600 here

no point in getting inferior and older cpu

[livid idol]

New or used? Because I'm sure 3600 is still cheaper used

And they're clearly not opposed to used parts

[keen nacelle]

talking new

[solar plaza]

Heyy, does anyone know what is the difference between 3060 and 3050ti as a laptop graphics? I want to know if it is worth to pay extra, or is the difference negligeble? Thanks.

[livid idol]

Definitely worth the extra for the 3060. The mobile 3050 ti is a joke, barely better than the 3050.

[vital oriole]

and 2 gigs less vram compared to 3060 too

[solar plaza]

I thought so as well, just thought it would be better to confirm.

Thanks for the info

Do you perhaps know the situation with laptop CPUs? is there any large difference between intel 12th gen and the newest AMD CPUs? Or is it just preference? (Note: I want to be able to game and do some programming as well as some stuff with VMs)

[heady turtle]

Both 12th gen and ryzen 6000 are good although ryzen has leaps and bounds in battery life

[livid idol]

It's mostly down to preference, but technically speaking Intel can have better battery life doing low intensity tasks. It depends on the manufacturer mainly.

[heady turtle]

More dependant on chip x vs chip y really

[heady turtle]

Have they improved it that much on 12th gen?

I didn't think so

[livid idol]

Only for low intensity stuff with the e-cores

Netflix, MS Office, that kind of stuff

[solar plaza]

I guess i am team AMD then xD

[livid idol]

But when gaming AMD is better for battery

But this is 100% going to vary by model of laptop

[heady turtle]

Last i checked amd still one in Netflix etc

[solar plaza]

I've gotta bother you more @livid idol , do you have any recommendation regarding amd mobile cpus or does it just depend on the price range i am going for?

[livid idol]

It depends, are you just gaming on it?

If so no need for a 6900HX or something

[solar plaza]

no, i'm going to do some programming and im going to use a LOT of tabs in the browser

[livid idol]

Tabs are more memory use than core use

But programming, depending on the language and compiler, can take advantage of more cores

[solar plaza]

Yeah, i wont be going for less than 16Gb anyways, so it should be okay on that front

[heady turtle]

Less than 16 isn't recommended unless it's pretty budget these days anyway

[solar plaza]

Okay, so in conclusion. 3060 and Amd cpu, cpu with more cores preferably if it fits my price range. 😅

[livid idol]

Yep. Just go with the one you can afford. And if you'll be using it on battery power a lot get one with a bigger battery.

[solar plaza]

Thanks for the help, i appreciate it. 😊

[livid idol]

99 Ah is the max I believe they're allowed to make for batteries and still be TSA compliant.

[ivory herald]

watt-hours, lol. (aka 9 Ah)

[livid idol]

Yeah those lol

[magic pebble]

@livid idol sorry for the sudden ping, it looks like my GPU is working fine and I guess your guess is right lol

[last wraith]

Idk if this has been asked yet, but does anyone know anything about this card on backorder? https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-3080-gv-n3080gaming-oc-12gd/p/N82E16814932489?Item=N82E16814932489 It says June 1 was the ETA but obv that isn't true

[heady turtle]

No idea

Probably not too long

[last wraith]

Yeah I tried calling Newegg yesterday and I was on hold for 20 minutes. And when I finally got through, she hung up on me 😦

[heady turtle]

Oof yeah it's a guess tbh

[heady turtle]

This one's in stock now for 850, 820 if you do the mail in rebate + nicer cooler
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qFytt6/msi-geforce-rtx-3080-12gb-lhr-12-gb-gaming-z-trio-video-card-geforce-rtx-3080-gaming-z-trio-12g-lhr

[last wraith]

Lmao I actually just saw it and ordered it

[hot folio]

Weird question, is it possible for a fake GPU to not be detected as a fake by GPU-Z?

[vital oriole]

nope

it will always be detected

unless it's a false positive

like having a gpu too new for it

[hot folio]

Damn this thing is actually real

[vital oriole]

what is the model gpu-z telling you?

[whole gazelle]

Tbh I feel like that isn’t real

[vital oriole]

i would believe it if it's something like 750ti or older

[whole gazelle]

The cooler I feel gives it away

[vital oriole]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSp2vX-T0nnyeBxJNiSMcKcrv7uIHRwXGjYcg&usqp=CAU

This looks pretty close

And this is a 1050ti

[whole gazelle]

You should always be careful when buying older cards like a 970, 980 ect..

[whole gazelle]

Ehh

[vital oriole]

It's a corn 1050ti, available on newegg

Bad price but the point still stands

[whole gazelle]

How much is the 1050 ti in usd

Like that model

[vital oriole]

uh, around 300 bucks lol

1650's are badly priced

[whole gazelle]

💀

[vital oriole]

double their msrp

[whole gazelle]

That is overpriced lmao

[whole gazelle]

Yeah because the stock of 1650 supers in retail is low

People just sell used gpus like that for crazy asking prices on marketplaces especially with the 20 series

[hot folio]

LMAO THEY SELL IT ON NEWEGG

https://www.newegg.com/amp/p/1FT-00DC-00007

[livid idol]

The fake ones have hacked firmware so it's really hard to tell. The easiest way is simply running a benchmark and comparing your result vs expected results and commonly used fakes like the 650 ti.

Time spy requires DirectX 12, which I believe won't even run on a GPU below the 700 series and is only emulated support through the 900 series.

[normal hawk]

If they fake it with a 650 Ti, the drivers should cause crashes now. as 600 series doesn't get the current drivers

So it should fail, no matter how well they faked it

[livid idol]

You'd think that, but the hacked firmware can basically trick it into installing anyway even if it's not actually functional.
But yeah bench that thing. You'll know in a few minutes if it's real.

[normal hawk]

I watch a lot of Fake GPU vids. both Adrenaline and Geforce experience can't tell its fake, but will fail to install the driver. anything before the 700 series or Radeon RX 200 I think

but ye, benchmarks work too

[livid idol]

700 series is end of driver support too, as of October

Which means 900 is next on the chopping block, so nvidia can finally get rid of the stupid DX12 emulation for older GPUs entirely from their driver suite since it's hardware supported on 10+.

[lone pond]

what should I look for in a graphics card? I'm not looking for one I just want to learn what to look for so I can help my little brother when he gets a pc. Obviously it needs to be compatible with your pc but what else?

[normal hawk]

are you building a PC or buying a PC.

[ivory herald]

If a 3fan higher tier model, just avoid msi ventus and a few others. Otherwise, check in when the purchase actually happens. Oh, have a good enough psu w/ enough cables if gpu has 3 power ports.

[normal hawk]

and whats your budget/games you play

[lone pond]

neither just looking to learn so when my brother asks I know

[normal hawk]

oh

[lone pond]

I just want to know what to look for

[ivory herald]

What I said + could post a link or 2 in the future & someone probably will say if it's good & give other suggestions.

[buoyant token]

https://www.newegg.com/asus-geforce-rtx-3080-rtx3080-o10g-wht-v2/p/N82E16814126533?Item=N82E16814126533&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-14-126-533-_-06072022

Is this card good?

[hoary sun]

https://tenor.com/view/cocaine-strix-gang-strix-3090-rtx-white-gif-22429477

[buoyant token]

Lol

[hoary sun]

its most beautiful card that I got but its price is not good lol

you can get 3080 12gb for 800$ I think

in US ofc

I don't like gigatrash cards but heres another white cheap option https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-3080-gv-n3080vision-oc-10gd/p/N82E16814932460?Item=N82E16814932460&Description=3080&cm_re=3080-_-14-932-460-_-Product&quicklink=true

[buoyant token]

Nice I’ll have to put it in pcpartpicker to see where it’s the cheapest

[hoary sun]

and this one is 12gb for similar price https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-rtx-3080-rtx-3080-gaming-z-trio-12g-lhr/p/N82E16814137711?Item=N82E16814137711&Description=3080&cm_re=3080-_-14-137-711-_-Product&quicklink=true

[buoyant token]

Yea I’m trying to go for an all white build

[hoary sun]

gigabyte is good option since white strix cards are expensive

[buoyant token]

Yea I have a list with the ti version of that card I’m looking at but I don’t like that kind of white

It’s more of a silver

[hoary sun]

ofc vision is not beatiful as white strix but almost 300$ cheaper so

[buoyant token]

Yea

[hoary sun]

it's up to you to give extra 300$ for its looks lol

i'd say 200$ couse 100$ is for much better cooling I'd say so

[fading glacier]

ohhh the famed white tax

[livid idol]

As far as picking what GPU, you can check benchmarks on YouTube for various GPUs for the games you play the most, while keeping in mind that having your frame rate higher than your monitor refresh rate has diminishing value. So if you have a 120Hz monitor, it's not worth aiming above around 160 fps, depending on the game.
Once you've picked the GPU you want, check the MSRP of it. There's usually some available to buy that are pretty close to the price that it should be based on that MSRP.

[fading glacier]

yup fps are hand to hand with monitor refresh... no point in having 200fps on your game while you play on a 144hz monitor... you want a higher end card then pair it with a high refresh monitor... or just get a 3090ti to play at 1080p 😄

[livid idol]

There is a benefit to having it a little above refresh rate, which is that it'll still appear smooth for the 1% low drops

[heady turtle]

For the price it's terrible, but ignoring the price it's a good card

[odd siren]

I would get a white trinity for 899 instead https://www.newegg.com/zotac-geforce-rtx-3080-zt-a30800k-10plhr1/p/N82E16814500535

[wicked hound]

3080 12gb is $800, $100 cheaper for a better card

[odd siren]

Yes but they want a white white card

[odd siren]

.

[wicked hound]

Spend $100 on plasti dip

[odd siren]

Not even $100, ikr lol

Versus 300 more for a strix I def wouldn't do though

[wicked hound]

Idk maybe $25 plasti dip and $75 for someone (friend? Idk) to do it. Never looked at plasti prices

[odd siren]

25 for white plasti dip sounds about right, I did that to my eagle card about a year and a half ago

[livid idol]

Make a DIY plasti dip with automotive paint 😎

[odd siren]

Hell you could do that too. It won't have the grainy look of plastidip

I hate the way the strix is priced. So much more for some VRM changes over the TUF and barely even binned for the boost clock

Specifically the 3080 one lol

[fallen kestrel]

GTX 1650 Supers are the best graphics cards ever

[silent jay]

Stop attempting to ping everyone in a 220K member server.

Kthx

[fallen kestrel]

yes massa

[silent jay]

And stop swearing.

[fallen kestrel]

yeah willis 😤

😱

also #freesenior until its backwards

how do i put the squiggly on top of the n when i'm on kb&m

[livid idol]

U+00F1
To insert a Unicode character, type the character code, press ALT, and then press X. For example, to type a dollar symbol ($), type 0024, press ALT, and then press X.

Hmm, might not work on discord now that I think about it

[fallen kestrel]

bruh he was just trynna help 😦

[fallen kestrel]

preciate the effort tho

[magic wing]

Ok no rank lol

Who even are u tho lol

[keen nacelle]

im in vc

[magic wing]

Oh ur a small flying insect?

Damn

Lemme get the bug spray real quick

Who

Asked

[fallen kestrel]

WWWWWWW

[magic wing]

Anyway im done lol

[livid idol]

Why are you picking a fight in random discords with random people though?

[silent jay]

https://tenor.com/view/dbz-vegeta-dragon-ball-fight-gif-15286698

[magic wing]

Im very bored sorry

[livid idol]

And that was all I needed

[magic wing]

Pog lmao

Was very rude of him to be mean to people who spend their time helping people here

[silent jay]

Indeed.

[livid idol]

Just a bad troll. Barely entertaining for the few minutes their existence coincided with ours.

[silent jay]

The other is here. I am debating it.

As a public execution

[fallen kestrel]

i dont mean any harm. i could care less abt trolling

[livid idol]

Nah you seem fine to me

[silent jay]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-deniro-meet-the-fockers-point-looking-at-you-im-watching-you-gif-5145428

[solemn panther]

Smh

[solar plaza]

Hey @livid idol i'm here to bother you again😅 😅
I think i've narrowed down my choices to two. One has AMD cpu (R9-5900h) the other Intel(i9-12900H). The differences are minimal, but i can't decide which one i need more(I'm leaning towards more ram and less storage). There is also a difference in the display. The Intel one has a WQHD and the AMD has a FHD display. The price difference doesn't matter that much to me, i just want to know the difference between those two displays and which is better for what? Thanks for the help from you and anyone else that shares their knowledge with me.😊

[lone pond]

life really do be sad

[livid idol]

Full HD is 1080p and WQHD is 1440p. A higher resolution screen is able to display more things on a screen at once, whether it's pixels in a game or browser windows.

[magic wing]

on a laptop tho, ur not really gonna notice the difference

[solar plaza]

Yeah, and now there is also a question of whether i should just wait for the new gen that is coming out soon, or not 😅

[magic wing]

I would wait

But its upto u

[solar plaza]

i'm in no hurry, i just feel ectastic, since i started working in april, and i can afford a pc for myself now😅

is there a date, when they will come out

[fading glacier]

probably end of this year

[solar plaza]

cool, so it's not that long

[fading glacier]

yeah, im on the same boat... waiting for raptor lake as well before pulling the trigger 😄

[whole gazelle]

If raptor lake only supports ddr5 ima be pissed

[fading glacier]

Intel confirmed ddr4 support on raptor lake

next socket on the other hand....

[magic wing]

sooner

[fading glacier]

hope so

i want to upgrade my rig so bad

and am5 / ddr5 is a no no for me thanks

[magic wing]

ehhhhhhhh

ddr5 price is dropping

also new am4 cpu refresh will be here too

[fading glacier]

im way older than that im afraid

4770k

so, it will be a big jump for me, still have pato's list on me with a 12700f... but im holding it until raptor lake reveal

[heady turtle]

They had to there was no way they where gonna let people with 600 series chipset ddr4 board have a cpu that physically fits exactly and not work lol

[lone pond]

Is ASRock a good GPU company?

[fading glacier]

never heard anything bad from them, in fact the oc formula was the god tier on the dark age

[lone pond]

ok cool

[magic wing]

is aight

[lone pond]

are there any RX 6600 XT deals going around right now?

just before i pull the trigger and buy one

[keen nacelle]

Meh

Model over brand

They have one of the best high end amd cards oc formula

[lone pond]

It’s a 6600 XT

There’s also this one that’s much cheaper in Canada computers but is 3 fan

[keen nacelle]

How much is it?

[lone pond]

Does it make a big difference?

[keen nacelle]

One second

Lemme take a look

[fading glacier]

true, brands can be good on certain models and total crap on others... like the overpriced asus entry level cards... overkill coolers for overprice

[lone pond]

430$ vs 499$

[keen nacelle]

$430 one

[fading glacier]

3 fans on mid tier cards are overkill sometimes, you can go 2 fan for less price sometimes without losing perfomance on cooling

[lone pond]

Well the 3 fan is the cheaper one

Hold on I’ll get links

[keen nacelle]

Even if it was a two fan vs three fan the three fan being the $500 one it wouldn't matter

[lone pond]

https://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX00118337

https://www.newegg.ca/asrock-radeon-rx-6600-xt-rx6600xt-cld-8g/p/N82E16814930063?item=N82E16814930063&nm_mc=knc-googleadwordsca&cm_mmc=knc-googleadwordsca-_-video cards - amd%2Fati-_-asrock-_-14930063&source=region

[heady turtle]

[lone pond]

memory express sorry

[keen nacelle]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/H4Z9TW/gigabyte-radeon-rx-6600-xt-8-gb-gaming-oc-video-card-gv-r66xtgaming-oc-8gd

[heady turtle]

Asrock formula is the rest are fine

[keen nacelle]

Are there any amd models to try to avoid, like ventus 2x?

[lone pond]

but is it better to buy this one?

it's cheaper for sure

but

[keen nacelle]

Yes

[lone pond]

i've never bought from memory express

[keen nacelle]

More expensive doesn't make it better

[lone pond]

feels like a shot in the dark

[keen nacelle]

Or just get this https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/3kZ9TW/gigabyte-radeon-rx-6650-xt-8-gb-gaming-oc-video-card-gv-r665xtgaming-oc-8gd

Better gpu for $530 off amazon

[lone pond]

where?

[fading glacier]

amazon

[lone pond]

oh is see

same price

[fading glacier]

but is a 6650xt

[keen nacelle]

6650xt similar to 2080

6600xt similar to 2070s

[lone pond]

i also can't use amazon since it doesn't allow paypal

https://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX00118337

this ones a 6600 XT

[keen nacelle]

Legit just get the cheapest 6600xt you can find

[lone pond]

alright

[keen nacelle]

Model is near irrelevant at that tier of card

[lone pond]

i guess i'll do it

[fading glacier]

ouch paypal, that narrow your choices

[heady turtle]

Mech, renamed ventus for amd

[lone pond]

i'm doing it

oh wait

it's out of stock

very anti climactic

it says out of stock in very small text

[fading glacier]

cheaper cards are out of stock often, you need to check everyday to buy one. these days fare better than the old days anyway

[lone pond]

well i ordered one

[spare dragon]

what would be the best card to pair with a amd phenom II 1100t

[heady turtle]

uhh how much budget do you have

[spare dragon]

no budget

i have a $60 gforce 730 in it rn and it sucks

[heady turtle]

well if you have no budget you cant buy anything lol

also the phenom also sucks soo i mean

[spare dragon]

well its the best am3 socket cpu i could get so

[heady turtle]

Yeah and am3 socket cpus kinda suck lol

[spare dragon]

im just trying to roll by ok until i can get my $2000 amd ryzen 9 5900 build going

[heady turtle]

What do you have now?

Also 5900x is a poor choice these days

[keen nacelle]

Maybe a 1050 would be alright to run low end games with it, but I wouldn't spend much if you're building a new pc soon

Also what pato said, 5900x isn't worth it

12700f is $310 and same perf

And can run fine on a $130 mobo

[spare dragon]

i already have a $120 am4 mobo

it was “open box” until they went to check and it actually wasn’t

[keen nacelle]

What mobo?

[spare dragon]

asrock steel legend

[keen nacelle]

Amd it is then, unless you're fine with returning it

Since it'd still be cheaper to go intel

[spare dragon]

its been like 8 months since i bought it lol

[keen nacelle]

Ah

So I'll take that as a maybe (joking)

[spare dragon]

i started the build and then school stopped me

also my phenom II was free so im not complaining

[keen nacelle]

Well, I know you didn't ask but I'm bored, so for the build I'd do this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fqdLyK

Tho if you're not building rn new gpus supposed to launch in July

[spare dragon]

i already have a case and power supply

and was thinking of going 6900xt

[keen nacelle]

What psu?

[spare dragon]

seasonic focus 850 80+ gold

[keen nacelle]

Sorry if anything I'm saying is obvious to you, I'm used to helping people who don't know much about pcs

Seems like you have a good understanding

6900xt good choice then, just depends the price you get it at. Can be gotten for $900 new atm

[spare dragon]

i live near a micro center and their prices ar always lower than anywhere else

[keen nacelle]

Oh nice

[vital oriole]

i doubt it about gpus tho

[spare dragon]

just found one at microcenter for 899.99

[vital oriole]

jeez

which 6900xt is it?

[spare dragon]

red devil overclocked

powercolor

[vital oriole]

nice

[heady turtle]

Fair enough but 2k is way more than needed even then honestly id just go 5700x instead

[heady turtle]

What model?

[spare dragon]

how good is a nvidia quatro k4000

[heady turtle]

Not a good gaming card

It would probably be fine

But like look uses if you're super tight budget wise

[spare dragon]

i found one for $40 on facebook

is it worth it then?

[heady turtle]

Ehh 40 seems a bit steep for it, look for like r7 370s or something

or r7 270 etc

[spare dragon]

i have currently a gforce 730

[heady turtle]

ik that

[spare dragon]

its not good

[heady turtle]

r7 270, r7 370, r9 380 all miles better cards

[spare dragon]

yea

[tropic remnant]

Pretty sure the 270 was a R9

Also according to techpowerup a RX 560 would be slightly better than a than a R9 270 https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-r9-270.c2458

You could see in the relative performance

[heady turtle]

Ahh whichever it was weird they changed the prefix depending on the card sometimes like r7 370 r9 380

[normal hawk]

EVGA's website sucks

its so slow.

[fading glacier]

thats why i made my purchases on newegg xD

[quaint flume]

i have a question on what gpu to upgrade too from a 1060 6gb

[normal hawk]

Whats your budget?

and PSU wattage if you know that

[livid idol]

A 3060 would be great if you can swing $400

[quaint flume]

idk if it really fits here but i have a ryzen 5 3600 and b450 so it will be fine?

[quaint flume]

but im at 200 rn

[livid idol]

Yes, you could use a 3080 with that processor and not be CPU bottlenecked.

[livid idol]

There's nothing worth upgrading to for $200

You might be able to get a 1070 used for around that price but that's already almost 6 years old as well.

If you saved up $275 you could get a 6600, and that would crush your current 1060.

[ember eagle]

I mean if he’s selling his 1060 6GB you could probably manage a 1080

[vital oriole]

not worth it imo

[quaint flume]

im not trynna buy sum for 200 i meant i had 200 so im closeish to 400

[livid idol]

Ok, go for a 3060 then like I said originally or a 6600 XT for $360

[quaint flume]

ok mission 3060 is a go

[fading glacier]

6600xt isnt better?

and cheaper

[livid idol]

It is slightly better and cheaper yes.

[quaint flume]

so wait would the 3060 or 6600xt be better to buy?

[fading glacier]

buy whichever is cheaper

however 6600xt is slightly better and cheaper most of the time

[vapid owl]

I think I may have gpu coil whine,it sounds like glitches,on idle it has a rhythm like a heart beat where it comes and goes every second.Should I be worried.The coil whine changes and begins to buzz when gaming.i have a 8700k,asus z390 a and cooler master rm850x and using 2 separate 2+6 cables.My previous gpu a msi 1660 super oc also had coil whine but only when gaming.

And I also had a different gpu when I had the 1660 super

😔

[fading glacier]

now that you mention about problems i have one as well, maybe minor: sometimes (really rare) i have flickering pixel dots when i turn on the pc from the post screen up to the windows loading screen, but once the load is done and im in the desktop everything is fine, video and all.... what could be the cause? happened twice or thrice in about 7 months of having my card

[livid idol]

Coil whine is completely benign and poses no danger to anything. If it's loud enough to bother you, you can RMA whatever is whining.

[hasty sphinx]

What 6950xt should I go for that I can use with a custom loop in the future?

Our rather that has a water block I can equip it with when I go for the custom loop?

[heady turtle]

6650xt is that price and would easily beat it in non RT

[wary tapir]

morning

[opal iron]

Is a 1070ti or 3050 (8gb) better in terms of raw preformance

Without rt or dlss

[keen nacelle]

1070 ti

By a little bit

[rustic pulsar]

1070ti appears to be slightly better https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare/GeForce-RTX-3050-vs-GeForce-GTX-1070-Ti/4495vs3842, but look at gaming benchmarks on youtube for a real comparison

[keen nacelle]

I would go for a 6600

They're constantly in stock for $300

[opal iron]

Im surprised the 6600 is cheaper than the 3050 even tho its a fair bit better

Which one should i get?

[keen nacelle]

I doubt it matters much, on a 6600 the slightly different shroud won't change much

[opal iron]

Aight imma get the speedster then

Looks nicer

[keen nacelle]

If you want to spend the bit more, there's this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/tWJgXL/xfx-radeon-rx-6600-xt-8-gb-speedster-swft-210-video-card-rx-66xt8dfdq

$60 more for a decent bit better card

6600 is around 2060s perf, 6600xt=2070s

Depends on what you're doing though

[opal iron]

I think a 6600 should be fine for me

[keen nacelle]

If you don't need the extra perf, 6600 at 300 is fine

[opal iron]

Not doing anything too intensive

And that should pair up fine with a 11400f right?

[keen nacelle]

Definitely

[flat ferry]

Can somebody help me with a problem I been having with my gpu? I’ve noticed when i’m running a game it’s running at 0% load and after a while of playing the game starts stuttering really bad.

[keen nacelle]

11400f fine to pair with a 3080 lol

[keen nacelle]

Don't use task manager to view usage

Download msi afterburner

[heady turtle]

Swft

[keen nacelle]

Also what game and gpu

[flat ferry]

Warzone/Modern Warfare and a 3060ti

I’ve always tried it on Halo Infinite

*also

[keen nacelle]

Are you trying to run ultra with rtx?

That's where my 3060 ti ran into issues on cod

Also with warzone my stuttering was caused by not having enough ram

[flat ferry]

How much ram do you have?

[heady turtle]

Are you sure your cable is not connected to your motherboard and not your graphics card if your cpu has integrated graphics?

[keen nacelle]

At the time, 16gb. If you don't have much else open you should be fine though

What settings were you trying to run?

Also what cpu?

[flat ferry]

I have 16gb as well. Maybe it’s time for an upgrade. I noticed when I was playing the ram load would climb and climb basically touching 100% load so that could be it

5600x

[keen nacelle]

Not cpu then. What else do you have open while playing wz?

[flat ferry]

A few background apps. It was saying it was basically using 1.5-2gb of ram

[keen nacelle]

Imo it's probably ram, but I'd wait for some other opinions first

[flat ferry]

I was thinking it was ram too but seeing 0% gpu load was making me think otherwise. It could’ve just been the program I was using

[keen nacelle]

What program?

[flat ferry]

NZXT Cam and task manager

[keen nacelle]

Yeah... no

[heady turtle]

@flat ferry try DDU-ing
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[keen nacelle]

Use msi afterburner

[heady turtle]

Or hwinfo64

Nzxt cam is awful and task manager can lie about usage sometimes

[keen nacelle]

When I crypto mine, tm says I'm using 10% of my gpu

Since it basically just tracks core usage, and not total utilization

[flat ferry]

I use afterburner and I could definitely tell it’s working. I just started to use the other ones to see cpu and ram load and seeing the 0% was making me worried

I think it might be the ram because when I first start the game it runs fine but after awhile, i’m guessing after all the ram starts being used, is when it starts stuttering

[karmic kestrel]

I need from someone to find the right gpu for my pc

[heady turtle]

DDU it's most likely your drivers crapping out

[karmic kestrel]

pls dm me

[heady turtle]

We can help you here

[karmic kestrel]

ok

[flat ferry]

I’ve tried that already but didn’t really play much after. I guess i’ll see if it worked tonight

[karmic kestrel]

I gave a 5600g and i want to upgrade to a gpu

[keen nacelle]

What psu is it

[karmic kestrel]

im using a 550w psu

[keen nacelle]

That doesn't tell us much

What's the model

[karmic kestrel]

evga gold plus

[keen nacelle]

G5?

P2?

[karmic kestrel]

o

[keen nacelle]

G+?

[karmic kestrel]

hold p

up

BA

[heady turtle]

And what's your budget?

[karmic kestrel]

300-500ish

up to 600fr

[heady turtle]

You in the us?

[karmic kestrel]

ye

[keen nacelle]

6650xt/6700xt good idea then, as long as the psu is good. Just need the model

[karmic kestrel]

do does support ray tracing?

[keen nacelle]

Rtx is a meme

[heady turtle]

They support ray tracing, not as good as the nvidia counter parts but it beats them in non RT

And yeah RT isn't worth it, best RT game is Minecraft bedrock

[karmic kestrel]

o ok

[keen nacelle]

If you're trying to game with rtx, you'd be looking for a 3060 ti. Coming from someone who has one, rtx really isn't that good. It just tanks fps

[karmic kestrel]

ok

thx

[keen nacelle]

You find the psu model?

[karmic kestrel]

im prob gonna upgrade my psu before i get the card

or should i wait for rtx 4000/

?

And stick with my apu?

[heady turtle]

Well what do you have atm? If it's decent the 550w will do just fine

[keen nacelle]

The wattage isn't an issue, I'm just curious as the the model, since if it's a bad psu it wouldn't be good to put a gpu on

[keen nacelle]

If you're patient enough

[heady turtle]

Up to you, are you willing to wait like ~3 months?

[karmic kestrel]

thats the problem lmao

hell no

if it comes to that ill just buy a card now and resell after i snip a 4060 probably

[loud leaf]

I’m hyped I got a 3070 finally

Bought it off a friend who wanted a 3080 for a sweet deal too. Win-Win for me

[keen nacelle]

how much you get it for?

[cosmic bluff]

Should I buy my friend a 3050 to replace his 1660?

[normal hawk]

No

3050 is a 1660 Super with DLSS and RT cores.

[keen nacelle]

seconded

6600 is cheaper than 3050 and better

[normal hawk]

Aim for a 3060 or 3060 ti if you really want NVIDIA. But you can get a 6600XT for like 350 sometimes which is better than a 3060

[keen nacelle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/tWJgXL/xfx-radeon-rx-6600-xt-8-gb-speedster-swft-210-video-card-rx-66xt8dfdq mm

[cosmic bluff]

He's doing light video editing and a little gaming and was hoping to use the Nvidia software for recording/streaming

[normal hawk]

1660 has the same nvenc as the 3050.

and the 3090

it won't be a big improvement, 2GB more Vram.

You'd be better off trying to get a 3060 imo

[loud leaf]

500 for msi gaming z trio

Msrp for a FE

[keen nacelle]

nice

[loud leaf]

Bout time I replaced the 1060

Everything runs great at 1440 on the new gpu

[normal hawk]

Nice

[lost nebula]

which is better rx 6600 xt or rtx 3060?

[keen nacelle]

6600xt

[rustic pulsar]

@lost nebula just to add on to this, get which you can find for cheaper, I used both cards, the 6600xt was marginally better in benchmarks but I couldn't tell the difference when gaming, I actually preferred the 3060 because of the nvidia software was so much nicer to use, get whichever you can find for a better price

[keen nacelle]

6600xt almost always cheaper

[fervent knot]

Should I buy this used 6700xt for 420 467 after shipping and taxes?

464 I mean

[fading glacier]

in fact thats the point, you cant really tell the difference between both, so most of the time (if not always) the 6600xt is the cheaper one, 3060 is only worth if you care for the rt perfomance which on this card is like non existant and amd is rapidly closing the gap on dlss perfomance anyway

[stone siren]

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=08G-P5-3751-KL
Thoughts?

This is what I'm upgrading to

[magic wing]

id wait a few months

[stone siren]

I swear to God if you're one of those "WaIt FoR 4000 SeRiES" people

I mean

I see the point

But also

No

[magic wing]

its not that far away

maybe like 2 months

1070 is a great card still

[stone siren]

Like
I know 30 series prices will drop by the time 40 series releases

But i want a 30 series card now

Also the 1070 is EXACTLY 6 years old TO THE DAY

[livid idol]

GPU comparison rough guide, update February 2023. Credit to @daring minnow
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/903768190717411339/1075245347657486426/image.png

[hasty sphinx]

Oh, the 3080ti now beats 6900xt.?

[livid idol]

Depends on the task

[hasty sphinx]

I want that 6950 xt.. I just don't know which one to get because I want a custom loop in future.

I knew which one to get with the 6900

[hasty sphinx]

Like near future

[livid idol]

It's really not worth spending more for the 6950, it's just a factory overclocked 6900 with slightly better bin memory.

[hasty sphinx]

Idk, last time it was talked about it was 10% more perf for 10% more cost which seems fine to me

At least when I was involved.

I want longevity

[livid idol]

Last I checked it was ~5% in games

[hasty sphinx]

Once I buy this gpu.. I won't be upgrading it for a loooong time

[livid idol]

New driver might have changed that I guess

[hasty sphinx]

So I want to makensure i get the best, except 3090

[daring minnow]

id get a 3080ti then. RTX features like DLSS has the better performance, and more widespread support

[livid idol]

But you can get a 3090 for $1200 now lol

[hasty sphinx]

Oh

[ivory herald]

$1100 if counting the bstock ftw3.

[daring minnow]

3090 usecase is situational

[hasty sphinx]

Something I can custom loop?

[daring minnow]

its better than a 3080ti for VR gaming, and certain Simulation games

just due the the Vram

[livid idol]

The extra vram might become relevant once direct storage takes off in a few years too

[daring minnow]

i... idk if thats how direct storage works

a faster SSD would be the more important thing

so Gen 3 / Gen 4 / gen 5 NVMe

[heady turtle]

3080 12gb is the way to go, 800-850 instead of ~1200

[livid idol]

It'll need slightly more vram to decode the files once they're in memory, which was previously the CPU's job

[daring minnow]

TBH this is a quite impressive price for its performance compared to a 3080ti though

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09VYDTVGY

i would just personally prefer the RTX feature set and expecting that to be more longlasting and more widely adopted than AMD's attempts

which is why i would personally go with a 3080ti or 3090

if i was making a GPU decision today

[livid idol]

Nvidia's drivers are more "mature" too, and better interface

Idk though, at this point you might be better off waiting the 3 months for 4080 to come out

[hasty sphinx]

Hm

[daring minnow]

sure, waiting is always going to get you something better, but at some point, you gotta stop waiting and buy something

[hasty sphinx]

I feel like prices will be hiked way up for thise

[daring minnow]

or else you'll never get a GPU

[livid idol]

4080 is supposed to crush the 3090 ti

[heady turtle]

800-850 for 3080 12gb
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VpJgXL/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-3080-12gb-lhr-12-gb-gaming-oc-video-card-gv-n3080gaming-oc-12gd
If spending more
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gKnypg/msi-radeon-rx-6900-xt-16-gb-gaming-x-trio-video-card-rx-6900-xt-gaming-x-trio-16g
250 extra for 5% extra performance just don't see it worth it
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PjGbt6/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-12-gb-gaming-oc-video-card-gv-n308tgaming-oc-12gd

[daring minnow]

its generally not recommended to pay attention to hearsay and supposedly leaked performance

so

[livid idol]

When everyone is saying the same things though, it lends a little credit

[daring minnow]

right but that $250 extra for more Vram, bigger GPU, spread out over 4-5 years, for better performance across that 4-5 years of ownership, in the grand scheme of things, is quite small

[hasty sphinx]

Sigh... this is always the confusing part for me to choose the gpu... fr though if I were to buy the best gpu out right now that has a waterblock(aftermarket) which one would it be?

[daring minnow]

a 3090

[hasty sphinx]

Which 3090

[daring minnow]

FTW3 is pretty good? founders if you're willing to deal with the cooler dissaembly, whatever high end MSI. gigabyte. Asus you can find blocks for

[livid idol]

3090s are tricky, you want a block that has rear cooling or an active backplate

[daring minnow]

i personally have been using a RTX 3090 ventus with a corsair block on it

no rear cooling

totally fine

[heady turtle]

It's not more vram, 3080 12gb has same vram as 3080 ti

[hasty sphinx]

Cooler disassembly? Is it just a pita to take off?

[daring minnow]

yep, and people recommended buying a GTX 980 cause a 980ti was overkill and not worth the upgrade at the time. yet a 980ti is significantly better card these days than the 980. if you're keeping a card for that long, might as well spend the extra to have something that is faster

@heady turtle

same argument for a 1080 vs 1080ti

[heady turtle]

That where way larger jumps tho

[daring minnow]

no argument whatsoever that the 80 series card is better value

[heady turtle]

This is only ~5%

[daring minnow]

but the 80ti always has lasted way longer in AAA gaming performance

or get a 3090

[livid idol]

The 3090 is really only more than 5% better than the 3080 if you're looking at 4k or higher

[hasty sphinx]

I'm really ok with 1440p, but I want the card to last me as long as possible before I have to upgrade.

[daring minnow]

if you're buying a card now and dont want to upgrade for a long time, get the best you can afford

if you can only afford a 3080, get a 3080

if you can afford a 3090, get a 3090

[heady turtle]

I feel personally that comes down to the larger gap in 80 vs 80 ti in the older series tho, from the get go

[daring minnow]

the extra cost over all the years evens out to make the % gain worth it

people who bought a 980ti can still sit pretty with their cards

but people who bought the better value card the 970

are already behind in minimum requirements for modern AAA games

if you're not upgrading for a LONG time, get the best you can get

[hasty sphinx]

Yeah I have a 980 and a 1650s and neither can run AC Valhalla above 70fps on medium

1440p

[heady turtle]

6950xt formula oc for 1100 if you're spending that much

[livid idol]

You're talking about an 8 year old GPU now. It's not that it's "already behind" it's just old and doesn't truly support DX12.

[daring minnow]

how long is a, quote, "loooong time" ?

[hasty sphinx]

So you say 6950 xt and demon says 3090? :P

[daring minnow]

6950xt in just pure raw performance is faster than a 3090

i recommend the 3090 due to its superior features over a 6950xt

[heady turtle]

Well i actually say 3080 12gb but if you where gonna spend more I'd go 6950xt

[hasty sphinx]

I'm willing to spend whatever to get what you think is the best. Not best value... but best performance.

Thats why its been so hard because everyone just recommends best performance/cost ratio

And idc about cost because its going to last me a long time

If a certain brand of the gpu is $500 over another but is the best.. well then ill spend that 500

@heady turtle or @daring minnow ..... in regards to rtx.. if I went with the 3090.. and ray tracing got better. Like past the "gimmick" stage, would this card work for that or would I need a newer gpu?

[heady turtle]

Well you could wait for 40/7000 series if you're patient enough

[hasty sphinx]

Like.. is it just software implementation that makes rt suck or is it the hardware?

[heady turtle]

Imo it would do okay but i feel next gen is gonna be a good bit better off the leaks

[hasty sphinx]

The longer I wait to get a gpu.. the longer I wait to take my 2 weeks vacation lol

[livid idol]

Ray tracing is hardware. There's only so many RT cores.

[daring minnow]

RTX isnt just raytracing, its the whole feature set. RayTracing doesnt suck, its just very difficult for current hardware to do it legit. DLSS is currently a better way to manage that, and in my opinion, id expect Nvidia DLSS to be much more widely adopted than AMD's version of it

[heady turtle]

Up to you i suppose I'd personally wait for next gen if i was going to be spending 1k+ on a gpu

[hasty sphinx]

So would be more beneficial to get a 40 series for rt just in case it actually gits gud

[daring minnow]

do you have a functioning PC that works good enough right now?

@hasty sphinx

[heady turtle]

Ye

[hasty sphinx]

Yeah... I can handle the 1650s for a bit longer

[daring minnow]

then wait it out if you are fine with what you have right now and can wait

[hasty sphinx]

Although I kinda was looking at that 3050 for 250

But idk if thats worth it

[daring minnow]

if you're not fine with what you have right now, upgrade

[hasty sphinx]

I really only play ff14. And the 1650s plays it at 80ish fps max settings so I'm ok for now. But id like to fully utilize my 144hz

[daring minnow]

once you get into building a custom looped PC, price/performance goes out the window. you're already so far beyond reasonable spending on a PC to justifiy price, there's no reason not to get the single best thing you can buy for performance before you custom loop it

[hasty sphinx]

Yeah.. I'm already about 3.7k in my setup

[daring minnow]

a proper full loop will set you back about $800-$1000

for something basic

[hasty sphinx]

I will be grabbing a 13900 as well

[hasty sphinx]

Yeah I've planned on that

[daring minnow]

and you can quickly spend a LOT more going high end on custom loops

[hasty sphinx]

I don't have any other hobbies

I figure with a nice good cpu/gpu combo.. that'll allow me to work on everything else

Id have bought a gpu by now, but like I said.. it gets so confusing with these types of debates lol

[heady turtle]

Turn to medium/low

[hasty sphinx]

Because I already have the fans/case I want. I'll probably be getting a white mobo. Gonna look at some white rgb ram.. just idk what is better than my rev e ballistix.

When is this 40 series supposed to drop??

[daring minnow]

at the end of the day, its your decision to make. you'll get a lot of different opinions from people with personal experience and people rehashing what they heard somewhere else. use this to make your own opinion and decide for yourself, we cant decide for you

[heady turtle]

~2-3 months

[hasty sphinx]

I suppose I can suffer another few months

[supple wagon]

Hi all, I have a gfx question in regards to the RTX 3060 vs RX 6600 XT, specifcally does a monitor that support freesync and the AMD gfx card give you a better experience than say the Nvidia?

[keen nacelle]

dont worry about free sync vs gsync, theyre essentially interchangeable

6600xt is better and tends to be cheaper

6650xt is better than both and tends to be about the same price as a 3060

[supple wagon]

gotcha, and is there a make issue with vendors about which type of 6650 XT to go with?

[keen nacelle]

not really, just cheapest you can find pretty much. youre in the UK, right?

[supple wagon]

correct

[keen nacelle]

id go for this https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/tWJgXL/xfx-radeon-rx-6600-xt-8-gb-speedster-swft-210-video-card-rx-66xt8dfdq or this https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/tkTp99/msi-geforce-rtx-3060-12-gb-ventus-3x-oc-video-card-rtx3060ventus3x12goc

6650xt prices a bit wack compared to the 6600xt

[supple wagon]

so the novice in me thinks the 3060 with 12GB would be better than the 6650 at only 8GB but this is where you say the Memory makes no difference

[fading glacier]

12gb on that card are overkill, it matters on the big bois 3060 is a 1080p card

6650xt overall better perfomance

[keen nacelle]

yeah youre right on point

3060 having 12gb is kinda pointless, itd be the same performance with 8gb. Only reason it has 12 is because of the way vram modules work, it was either 12gb or 6gb, and 6 wouldnt be enough

also partially marketing

[supple wagon]

ah, fair enough, so the 6650 XT does still take the lead but you suggest the 6600 XTs for now as the price is weird?

[keen nacelle]

yeah. not worth 60 pounds extra for the boost in my opinion, though you said youre planning to pair with a 5950x?

[supple wagon]

for the core processor, yeap

[keen nacelle]

i would consider going for a bit worse of a cpu and bit better of a gpu, unless you are only doing cpu heavy tasks

whats the budget for the full build?

oh i might consider 12900f after all

its 430 pounds compared to the 5950x at 480

[supple wagon]

£2000 for the PC and Monitor

[keen nacelle]

kk one min

[supple wagon]

Id want as much storage as well along with fast OS disk

in terms of RGB I cant be arsed with that, I dont spend my time looking at the computer, I just tuck it behind the monitor or its on the floor out of the way, I care what it does, not how it looks

This is what I have atm: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/tp3qd9

[keen nacelle]

how much storage are you thinking

im going to be blunt

god no

[supple wagon]

1TB at least for the OS, as a SSD NVM, and around 6TB > for storage

[supple wagon]

go for it

[keen nacelle]

what is everything that you are doing with the pc?

[supple wagon]

in terms of what I'll be using it for?

[keen nacelle]

yes

is it just productivity?

[supple wagon]

in a way, I will be running VMWare Workstation on it to host a number of Hypervisors in a nested virtual environment, along with gaming when not using it for home lab to study for various IT certs

[keen nacelle]

alright, so def will utilize the cores

what im looking at rn https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/xvZsKp

[supple wagon]

yes, I would need to have at least 4 cores per virtual host and 4 of those, then anything separate which will run directly from workstation and not ESXi

[keen nacelle]

unsure on that hdd, its a good one but the price is what im not sure on

yeah nvm im sure on it now

thats a terrible price

here you go https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/J646Bj

[supple wagon]

Im not sure if the i9 with the split cores would be a good fit for the VMWare setup, as it would be a pain to configure which cores get allocated to which VMs

thats based on the conversation I had in the general chat

[keen nacelle]

Yeah, price on the 5950x sucks atm tho

The core scheduler on windows 11 should be fine with it, but if recommend doing some research online

[supple wagon]

sure, its £60 difference, but it might pay out in the long term and would be 32 threaded cores

I see you went with the 3060 in the recommendation over the 6600 XT

[keen nacelle]

3060 ti actually, better than the 6650xt as well

It's about 20% better than 3060

Def worth the jump since you're gaming

[supple wagon]

gotcha, I take it the freesync doesnt matter then?

[keen nacelle]

Not really

Interchangeable

[supple wagon]

when you say interchangeable, does that mean the Geforce gfx cards will still work with freesync monitors?

[vital oriole]

yes

freesync is adaptive sync

which is a widely supported standard

make sure you use displayport tho

cause on nvidia, it's required to be able to use freesync

[supple wagon]

oh right, didnt think that was the case, too much Youtube and confusin, as it suggests Nvidia was g-sync only in my mind

[vital oriole]

the nvidia-only g-sync is the hardware kind

which is pretty expensive and rare

most monitors simply uses adaptive sync

[supple wagon]

gotcha

[velvet grail]

Slow Radeon R7E graphics iGPU
Undervolt + overclock? Recommended?

It's set to 626MHz and I'd like to bring this number up a bit

With MSI afterburner

Where do I set clock/voltage curve? I don't remember how to use MSI afterburner anymore

[vital oriole]

you can't use curve on igpus

they're locked

[velvet grail]

Yeah, i saw that online a second ago because I could not open the curve with ctrl F

But I can still add core clock

Mhz

Does that set a max frequency for the current voltage curve

?

Or different things