graphics-cards

[fickle sequoia]

went I boot up my gtx 3060 ti gaming trio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dJolYw8tnk&ab_channel=rickyr0ma

[frosty basin]

Is it worth buying the rx 5700 xt red devil now or wait maybe the price will drop ?

And yes, i know the 3060 ti is here but I'm my country it goes over the budget

[spark sinew]

is a 2070 super still worth it?

[static rock]

depends on the price

wouldn't spend more than $400 because of 3060ti

[spark sinew]

when do you think the 3060ti will restock tho

[fickle sequoia]

never

[red spindle]

What would be comparable to the RX 580 on Nvidia's side?

[lone pond]

1060 & 1650s

[floral relic]

1660

[lone pond]

Along with 970/780

[red spindle]

Alright thanks! Found an open box 1660 super for cheaper than the rx 580

[lone pond]

nice.
thats alot better than the 580

[cursive canopy]

I got the card, but the PSU cables I thought I had for it, don't fit... bummer... anyone know the exact cable needed for the 3060ti?

[static zinc]

@cursive canopy regular pcie cables

[cursive canopy]

that's what I have... but the connector does not want to go into their plug

[static zinc]

whats ur psu

[cursive canopy]

OCZ 700w

ok, i gave it a push, and the connector worked..

[static zinc]

🙂

[cursive canopy]

damn... truly thought I had wrong cables LOL

i've built a few computers, never had to use this adapter thing... usually plugs slid right into things...

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/447497755829469184/786689680578052156/20201210_150651.jpg

there it is

going to install it now...

[daring tusk]

that shine though 👌

[cursive canopy]

Lol... Got it all plugged in... And seems not wanting to power on... Its a 700w power supply...

The motherboard has a quick light... Like its discharging when unplugged...

[cursive canopy]

took it out, put back old GPU, and it all powers up

[hasty shore]

i could take that 3070 for u

[cursive canopy]

lol it's a 3060ti...

just odd, all plugged in and nothing

but back on the 1050ti, and everything works fine

[daring tusk]

i wonder what the 3060 ti cyberpunk performance is like

ive seen 3080 and 3090 performance but what about the other 2

[cursive canopy]

i don't have the game yet, wanted to get the new card installed and getting it set up right...

[analog magnet]

Currently for Flu CP2077 runs at 0FPS on his new card 😦

[cursive canopy]

Lol feels bad

[zenith lagoon]

Gigabyte auros

5700xt good right?

[vagrant gate]

me when i upgrade from intel integrated graphics to a graphics card #graphics-cards message

[cinder grove]

newegg has any drop today guys?

[silk cliff]

help

rtx 3070 has 2 8 pin connectors but i only have one free 6+2 pin

non modular psu

[cursive canopy]

what kind of power supply do you have?

[silk cliff]

corsair 650 w non module

@cursive canopy

[cursive canopy]

how old is it? and i thought 3070 needed like 700+

[lone pond]

3080 can run on a 650w

[silk cliff]

from this summer

[lone pond]

Just not recommended because 750w are usually held to a certain standard

And nvidia doesn't want to say it wont work with specific models

[cursive canopy]

non module, there should be some PCIe plugs, i believe 6pin+2 i believe?

[lone pond]

Unless you have an 8 to 8+8 pin you have to buy new PSU

[faint forge]

i recommend the GT 705

[cinder grove]

newegg gonna drop anything today guys?

[faint forge]

very good

[cursive canopy]

I'm having issues with my 3060ti... but i flashed BIOS and will try again in morning...

[silk cliff]

is there a 6+2 to 8+8 pin

[cursive canopy]

didn't your GPU come with a converter or adapter???

[silk cliff]

no

[cursive canopy]

mine did...

[lone pond]

thats daisy chaining

which is dumb

[lone pond]

you have a founders edition

[cursive canopy]

yea

[lone pond]

he does not

[cursive canopy]

ahhhh ok

[lone pond]

ur out of luck

buy new psu

Buy a modular this time

[cursive canopy]

but when I looked at the cable , it's "12" but only 6 has the plugs in them... which is odd...

I have a semi-modular

[lone pond]

yeah but ur semi-modular has enough PCIe

Wait what?

[cursive canopy]

yeah, there is 4 spots for PCIe...

[lone pond]

your 12 pin converter only had 6 plugs in??

or did you plug a 6 pin into the 12 pin

[cursive canopy]

the FE has that adapter, has 12 goes into GPU.. but there is 6 that actually have wires in it...

i put the 6pin into the 12pin, but when i look into it.. it shows 6 with wires in it

[silk cliff]

so what should i do

i have an msi b450 vdh max

[cursive canopy]

this is the adapter from the FE... see the 6 has wires, 6 do not..

@silk cliff tough to decide, buy new PS. or try to get adapter for yours?

[silk cliff]

didnt someone say adapters are bad

[cursive canopy]

someone did.. but that is what came with my FE card... i may order another cable... but will at least try installing it tomorrow

[brisk flame]

3060ti only requires one 8 pin from the psu

if thats the cable that came with the 3060ti FE, then that should be fine

[cursive canopy]

with updating bios.. now my CPU speed from a 9700k is stuck at 0.79 LOL... fun times

[silk gale]

Are the gigabyte 3060 2 fan good?

[zenith lagoon]

5700xt aorus or

sapphire nitro +

Please someone fast XD

the aorus is 630 cad

and sapphire is 660

@daring minnow

@brisk flame

Someone pls XD

[brisk flame]

which one is 630

[zenith lagoon]

the aorus

[brisk flame]

theres your answer

[zenith lagoon]

Alri

But is there a big difference?

[brisk flame]

no

[zenith lagoon]

ok

So auros then

ty man

@brisk flame

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07RW8GLQJ/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3DWYIK6Y9EEQB&psc=1

Will that case fit

a 5700xt aorus

[steady crystal]

i need a 3080...woe is me

[waxen notch]

same, canada too?

[steady crystal]

Naw....states. ain't paying 3x the cost to some reseller, so will just complain to myself.

[waxen notch]

struggles in canada

newegg drop soon tho maybe

[steady crystal]

I hope

[lone pond]

Yo does anyone think a ryzen 2600 would bottleneck a 2060 super?

[true patio]

for sure

[ripe ivy]

Eh, not really

Anything significantly faster would be more concerning

[gaunt shadow]

No drop today?

[lone pond]

alr thanks for the info :)\

[gaunt shadow]

I was asking but looks like no drop

[lone pond]

if your referring to me then i was talking to eldemonio but thanks for the info aswell

[gaunt shadow]

Oh my b

[lone pond]

no worries

[loud yarrow]

idk last friday there was a drop but they didnt tweet anything

[cinder grove]

no drop today from newegg?

[normal skiff]

Didn't see anything

[gaunt shadow]

I mean everything still says oos

[loud yarrow]

yeah 😢

[gaunt shadow]

😢

[blissful swift]

They did announce they will drop right?

[normal skiff]

Not tonight

[blissful swift]

It was on their twitter account dec 10th

[cinder grove]

i don't see any announce on 10th dec

[blissful swift]

What’s the last announcement u r seeing

[cinder grove]

the cyberpunk pc GA

[tepid shore]

Anyone have a recommendation to upgrade from a 970 for 2k gaming?

[dawn plover]

3070 or 3060ti

[pale path]

for 2k gaming you wouldn't need a 3070 unless you can find one. more affordable options from the last gen still kill

[dawn plover]

yes you don’t

[valid bloom]

sure if 60fps is your goal but for many, 60 fps is unacceptably low :p

[dawn plover]

but it’s nice playing with it and getting comfortable playing at mid-highish settings

[vernal bobcat]

Anyone got a 3060ti for sale for $450 lmao

[pale path]

best buy has some evga "coming soon"

they delayed my FE, so i may have to buy another... this is the worst game when it comes to gaming. awful

[crude bay]

Lmao

3 month couldn't get one 3080

am i buy some limited luxuries?

Fml

[tepid shore]

I prefer something that is available and not so expensive till the 3070's are more available..

I'm not gonna play refresh game till I get one lol

[lone pond]

No

Be me, orders 6 3080 gpu to be sold on my website. The msi factory gets robbed and I have to wait 2-4 weeks to get em

Msi factory got robbed of 3090

not 3080

iirc

[ripe ivy]

They stole like 200+ cards I think, and was it the factory I thought they intercepted a truck?

[lone pond]

Yeah it was their factory.

*3090 not 3080 mb

@lone pond. Thanks for the correct info

It's stupidly hard just to even get one

I bought a 3060 to at microcenter and the next day it was out of stock

[urban mauve]

which is the best graphics card for the money?

[upper mural]

3060ti by far

[floral girder]

I need a damn RTX 3080 imma die if I have to keep searching 😩😩😩 lol

[urban mauve]

thx

[untold granite]

So my pc I built is having a issue anyone that is skilled in the diag area available

[muted goblet]

So does microcenter get cards in often

[upper mural]

As they refuse to sell online its a better chance you will get one if you visit then other stores

[steel wolf]

https://c.tenor.com/NZujDgNvsI8AAAAM/dj-khaled-another-one.gif

[dawn plover]

https://tenor.com/view/rape-rapist-rage-gavinthezavin-gif-15178236

[hasty shore]

give me it

[steel wolf]

No

[cobalt hedge]

Lots of 3090 drops throughout the day. Nothing else though.

[young elbow]

Yo howd you get a 3080? Cause ibe been teying hard as hell to get any rtx 3000 card

[warped osprey]

will a 1660 run cyberpunk

[young elbow]

Yes but not over 60 fps on anything but low settings

[warped osprey]

[young elbow]

Maybe medium

[warped osprey]

at least i could play

[young elbow]

Yeah im playing on a rx 580

[warped osprey]

hows that compared to a 1660?

[young elbow]

Its a little worse i believe

[warped osprey]

oof

[young elbow]

Ye thats why i really want an upgrade

[warped osprey]

an rx 5500 xt or 1650 super would be better than a 580 right?

[young elbow]

Yeah

[warped osprey]

when would you be getting an upgrade?

[young elbow]

Whenever rtx 3000 stock starts to meet demand

I have the money just dont wanna pay scalpers

[warped osprey]

i hope u can live to 120 cuz thats a rare chance

[young elbow]

Ik

They say it should be stable in a few months

Idk if i believe that

[warped osprey]

at this point it would be easier becoming a tech youtuber and having a gpu brand give you one

[young elbow]

Yeah look at LTT

[warped osprey]

ikr

[haughty crescent]

How about a 1660 ti and a 3700x. Could I get above 60 with that on medium settings?

[young elbow]

Idk about dual graphics card setups

[warped osprey]

first off i think your cpu is suffering

[haughty crescent]

No a Ryzen 7 3700x

Wdym

Suffering

[young elbow]

I have a ryzen 9 3900x lol

[haughty crescent]

LMFAO

[young elbow]

And 64 gb ram

[warped osprey]

oh god

[young elbow]

With an rx 580

[haughty crescent]

BRUH

[young elbow]

Ik

[haughty crescent]

that’s bottle necking tf outta your cpu

Holy

[young elbow]

Ik

[warped osprey]

yep

[young elbow]

I really need a 3080

[haughty crescent]

that’s horrendous

yea u do

I want a 3070 and I’m set

[warped osprey]

exion your also having a bottleneck

[haughty crescent]

I know

I didn’t say I didn’t

[young elbow]

Whats your setup?

[haughty crescent]

I was waiting for 3k series cards to upgrade but didn’t know they wouldn’t be in stock

[warped osprey]

welp i gtg

[young elbow]

Cya

[haughty crescent]

Asus tuff x570 gaming mobo plus WiFi. Ryzen 7 3700x, 1600 ti, 32 gigs Corsair vengeance 3600 rgb, two drives one ssd. Rm 750x psu gold efficiency

Cya

And nzxt h510i for case

[young elbow]

Not bad except youre in the same situation as me lol

[haughty crescent]

No where near as bad though LMFAOOO

I want a new gpu so bad though

[young elbow]

Same

[warped osprey]

tbh i dont really like the case u got, i heard they have HORRIBLE airflow

[steel wolf]

A 3080 sandwich

[rigid crag]

Who uses two different types of bread for a sandwich?

[steel wolf]

Many ppl if it's made out gold

[primal acorn]

that is a very valid statement

[warped osprey]

this is a very expensive image

[steel wolf]

I traded a FE 3060 ti for it

[gloomy bobcat]

Same!

I want to build a new gaming rig with a 3080

I may just have to order everything except gpu and get that separately

[young elbow]

i mean i bought a prebuilt and just upgraded as i got the money

[gloomy bobcat]

Whenever that is...

[young elbow]

left with with a spare ryzen 5 3600 and 8 gb of ram

[lone pond]

will newegg bring more 3060 ti's and 3070s soon?

[gaunt shadow]

I heard something about another drop tmrw with a bunch more 3070s

Not 100% sure but be on the lookout

[steep smelt]

Just got the RX 580 to hold me over till 3000s come back in stock

Good stuff

[floral girder]

anyone got 3080 for sell?

[wispy crystal]

So I have an Asus ROG Strix 1070 TI and thinking of upgrading to an 5700 XT, but not sure if it's worth it, any suggestions? (Trying to target 1080p, 144 fps on max settings for most games)

[tiny oracle]

which titles specifically?

[tiny oracle]

there’s no buying or selling allowed on the server

a bit disappointing but those things have their own servers

[wispy crystal]

Just most titles. I don't game on PC much anymore, but when I do it's titles like Assassin's Creed: Unity, Warframe, and such. Things I can play on my own

[tiny oracle]

huh, don’t really know how demanding those games are but yeah you could probably get 144 fps in the majority of triple a games

[wispy crystal]

Alrighty, ty

[light ivy]

II

[spare cipher]

Anyone have a idea?

[terse bloom]

Sorry for the poor picture quality. Screenshotted from my phone.

@wispy crystal Unfortunately, Warframe and Assassin's Creed: Unity (2014) isn't listed, but if it's anything like Assassin's Creed Origins (2017) or Assassin's Creed Odyssey (2018), you're looking at 60 to 70 FPS on Ultra/Max settings.

[spice prawn]

Warframe uses a modified Unreal Engine

[hasty shore]

When u get ur gpu

open it up

looks legit

HAs 4 fans

"dies"

[haughty compass]

is there going to be rtx 3090 ti?

[hasty shore]

prob not

i think 3060ti is only 30 series ti

[haughty compass]

ok

[hasty shore]

they might do it in the futrure tho

[haughty compass]

prob

[lone pond]

If they did a 3090 ti, it could have more vram
But i doubt nvidia want to do that.

12 3G modules would be quadro level

[vocal bear]

just got my 3080 from newegg didn't realise it was 3x 8pin and I don't have any spare power cables 😳

what do i do

[worthy siren]

Send the 3080 to me sir

I’ll take good care of her

😅

[waxen notch]

go to nearest computer component store lol

[spice prawn]

@vocal bear get a psu that can support 3*pci-e 6+2 cables

[fossil talon]

^^

[midnight pollen]

Is buying a broken gpu worth it?

[lone pond]

If the gpu is cheap and you known how to fix it atleast
Maybe

[lapis oyster]

What PSU do you have out of curiosity?

[vocal bear]

Rm1000x

😳

When I bought this pc he didn’t give me any spare cables is what I meant

[lapis oyster]

Oh. I was gonna say you should have plenty. You can buy replacement cables

Pick some up from cablemod, and pretty up your build while you're at it lol

[vocal bear]

I was looking at cablemod, do they support 3x 8pin? I couldn’t find out

I could only see 2x

[lapis oyster]

Your PSU should have 4 8-pin PCIe connections, so you could buy 4 8-pin PCIe cables from cablemod

if you go to store.cablemod. com/configurator, it can tell you what you'll need for your specific build.

[fickle wasp]

alright, so i know that nvidia cards have better streaming, but will a mid range amd card such as a 5600xt still be able to do pretty basic streaming and keep up with say a 2060?

[frank siren]

Hi All, Looking for some help in upgrading an old workstation.. It's an HP XW6600 with 44Gb of ram but I think the problem is the video cards as my trading quotes are seriously lagging. They are the older Nvidia FX 1800's, 4 of them to run 8 monitors. Could someone help me figure out what cards I could upgrade to that will fit the in the same slots..? If they have 4 or 2 display ports is fine as each is supporting 2 monitors currently.

[velvet nebula]

what we like to see

[hybrid pebble]

i am also looking for a 5600xt and some of them outperform the 2060 by like 10% but streaming wise i heard nvidia is better since they have a thing or wtv (not pro builder but this is what i got from balls deep research and help(1st time builder btw so dont take my word for it))

[fickle wasp]

alright good to know thanks so much

[eternal cliff]

I didn't read back through chat so sorry if this is repeat number 8million. Wanted a NVIDIA 3080 for my son but obviously an issue. What is the next best graphics card that is actually available and $750 or below price range (not the marked up price range)

[narrow yoke]

You got me at actually available

[dawn plover]

same

[eternal cliff]

maybe? ASUS ROG STRIX Radeon RX 5600 XT ROG-STRIX-RX5600XT-T6G-GAMING 6GB 192-Bit GDDR6 PCI Express 4.0 HDCP Ready Video Card

He really only cares about FPS on Fortnite

[static rock]

for fortnite a 3080 is very overkill

[eternal cliff]

and streaming

[dawn plover]

tbh a 3060ti would do for high fps and streaming

[static rock]

yeah with nvenc

[dawn plover]

or a 3070

[eternal cliff]

none of those are available either

[dawn plover]

with streaming, instead of getting the 5600xt, get the 2060 but make sure you're not paying over 370 for one

[eternal cliff]

and has a 165hz monitor

[static rock]

1080p?

[dawn plover]

or 1440p

[slate hedge]

good cad price for a 2060?

[eternal cliff]

1080

Asus VG278QR 27” Gaming Monitor, 1080P Full HD, 165Hz (Supports 144Hz), G-SYNC Compatible, 0.5ms, Extreme Low Motion Blur, Eye Care, DisplayPort HDMI DVI

[dawn plover]

get him a 3070 instead of a 3080

and as a temporary card get him a 1660s

[eternal cliff]

still not available?

[dawn plover]

2060 prices are wonky right now

[dawn plover]

that's why i said get the 1660s as a temporary card, still gets high fps at low setting, then when a 3060ti or 3070 becomes available, sell the 1660s

[eternal cliff]

? MSI GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER DirectX 12 GTX 1660 SUPER GAMING X 6GB 192-Bit GDDR6 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card

[hybrid kettle]

All 1600 series and 2000 series prices are wack

They are all gonna be really overpriced

[fervent obsidian]

yup

[hybrid kettle]

Was trying to find a 2060 that was actually in stock for under 320 and it was difficult

[eternal cliff]

1660S is on Newegg for 400

[fervent obsidian]

yeah no

that's a yikes

[lone pond]

As temporary card
I would say get like...a used rx or gtx

[static rock]

gpu market is just not good right now

[hybrid kettle]

I have a 2060 from b and h in mind and Im still waiting for it to come back instock it hasnt been instock for 2.5 weeks

I need a really small card and this is basically the only one that would work

That I can find going for retail

[warm path]

@eternal cliff since you were looking for a 3080 which is a very powerful card and you want something under 750 i would suggest a 2080 or 2080 super. If you want to save some money a rx 5700xt is also a great option

[jovial ferry]

grrr

[dawn plover]

smh

[stone raft]

Praise the EVGA gods...got a ftw3 today

Evga is on 9/18 6:34 am on their queue list

[remote cargo]

all I want for Christmas is a 3070 tuf

[modest kettle]

Hey ya’ll, just picked up an MSI Gaming Trio X 3080 at Microcenter in Ohio today. They had a TON of cards right at open this morning. I was probably 100th in line

[remote cargo]

my closest micro center is over 300 miles from me

[modest kettle]

Holy cow

May the odds be in your favor then

Newegg listed a bunch of combos overnight last night at 3:30am EST

[wicked blaze]

I’m finally down to ordering the last part of my budget build and it’s a graphics card. I was planning on getting a 2060 since it’s in my price range (at msrp) and since I just have a core i5. The only problem is demand right not has caused all of the decently priced 2060s to disappear. Anyone know if there’s some way to get one?

Someone also recommended that I would wait for the 3060 ti to drop to msrp. They said it’d be $300 but I don’t think it’s price will go down for a long time coming. :/

[spice prawn]

someone didnt read a chart right then @wicked blaze

[lone pond]

It's gonna take years for a 3060 ti to reach 300$ tho.

[spice prawn]

as in, the person who recommended that for you

[wicked blaze]

Yeah I was confused to hear that too

[spice prawn]

and MSRP does very very very rarely go down officially

[wicked blaze]

I’m no expert on PCs for sure but I know a little

[spice prawn]

last one i can remember is the 2060

which moved from 350 to 300 when the RX 5600XT was released

[wicked blaze]

So would you recommend I just wait for the 2060 to drop back to normal?

[spice prawn]

your GPU budget is 300?

[wicked blaze]

Yeah around that

[spice prawn]

go second hand if you can

[wicked blaze]

Total $1000 for full build

[spice prawn]

ofc, depends on "when" you are building

[wicked blaze]

Yeah the prices for parts are really bad right now

The last thing I need is GPU and OS

And the monitor I guess

[spice prawn]

OS is between 0 and 100

depends on you

[wicked blaze]

I heard you can get $5 windows 10 off eBay but I don’t trust that

[spice prawn]

you could also just run with a water mark if you want

the ebay keys do exist

they are what is known as "grey market" keys

have a google on that, and decide for yourself if you are okay with that

[wicked blaze]

I’ll look into it

Thanks for the help!

[spice prawn]

you are very welcome :)

btw, run with a water mark = cost of zero

but you ofc have the water mark, and no easy customisation of the "theme" of the OS

[shadow prairie]

is there any stock info

[remote cargo]

Pog Mog, the 3050 is rumored to cost around 300

[shadow prairie]

how good is the 3050

[coarse spindle]

not

[remote cargo]

not sure, but I expect it will o deliver at least 60-70% of the 3060 ti performance

[cloud pendant]

Damn that even worth getting?

Might as well get the 3060

[remote cargo]

yeah

but idk

I’m just guessing

[shadow prairie]

it you want an affordable gpu then get 3050 but if you want power for your money get the 3080

[remote cargo]

I’m going for the 3070, it’s a good sweet spot

[coarse spindle]

yeah, scored a ventus

[shadow prairie]

im going for rtx 3080

[coarse spindle]

I used a PNY rtx 3080

[lone pond]

3050 at 300$? So i guess there isn't going to be a 3060

[shadow prairie]

last time on best buy it slipped out of my hands i pressed the add to chart button then it went please wait and then it sold out

[ember vigil]

does anyone know when the 3070s will be back in stock?

[ripe ivy]

$300 3050? I don't believe it, they would be absolutely out of their minds

[remote cargo]

oh I’m sorry I forgot that 3060 ti is 400

[lone pond]

My bet is that 3060 going to be 300 instead...or 320-340

[remote cargo]

Yeah

[ripe ivy]

$300 3060, $249 3050Ti

[shadow prairie]

i heard that there will be 3080s today at 3 or 4 not sure how accurate that is

[elder plume]

Gimmie ur gpu

[modest kettle]

I’ve been getting random “in stock” emails throughout the day, so you might be right.

I bet they load them into the system and we get an “in stock” notification but they turn off the listing real quick

[shadow frost]

nothing 😭

[potent swan]

gotten the $5 windows on ebay b4 it depends on who you get it from. had one purchase fail so had to get money back through dispute thing

[fossil talon]

Like in regular stock? Not until late January or later

Most bots and backorders are getting 3000s series rn

[warped osprey]

when the 4000 series comes out and scalpers would want that

[fossil talon]

^^😂

[simple crest]

Seriously the gtx 970 when up to 1200 dollars on walmart

lul

[warped osprey]

wh

[fossil talon]

Stock issues

[warped osprey]

wha

[simple crest]

ikr

[warped osprey]

tf

[fossil talon]

Every gpu is in low stock

[simple crest]

i have it and i can barely render 60 frames on low settings

[fossil talon]

That's why I pushed to get everything on release day

Hence I have the Trinity 😅 of 30s series

[simple crest]

dang

[warped osprey]

im happy with my 1660

[simple crest]

im upgrading to a 2070 and to a 3600x is it okay at least for streaming?/

[warped osprey]

yeah thats perfect

[simple crest]

oh good

[fossil talon]

Yep that would be a typical all rounder

[warped osprey]

tho a 3600 is also more than enough

[simple crest]

i have a i5 3330 with a gtx 970 rn

[fossil talon]

3600x might be cheaper in some countries rn since everyone is buying the regular model

[warped osprey]

your gonna need a new mobo tho

[simple crest]

ik

[fossil talon]

B450 is fine

[simple crest]

really

ok

[warped osprey]

x470 gaming plus max is what i would recommend

[fossil talon]

Don't get B550 lol, unless you get 5000s series Ryzen rn

Yep would recommend x470 for streaming

[simple crest]

should i wait until i get one of the 5000 series or just get the 3600x

[fossil talon]

Idk CPU stock anymore

[simple crest]

oh ok

[fossil talon]

People are legit scalping Ryzen 5 5600x like hell rn

[simple crest]

fr everything when out of sotck

[fossil talon]

I got lucky :)

[simple crest]

wtf dude

[warped osprey]

a 5000 series cpu is a bit too much for a 2070 i think

[simple crest]

oh ok

i figure

[warped osprey]

there might be some sort of bottlenecking

a 3600x and a 3600 are both very well all rounders

[fossil talon]

Yea you won't need it tbh for streaming, 3000s still perform really well. Plus you save alot of money as well

[warped osprey]

if your looking for something cheaper then a 2060 with a 3600 or 2600x is also good

tho if u want you can stick with 2070 and 3600x/3600

[simple crest]

its because my friend has a 2070 and he was willing to give it to me bc he hjas a 3080

[warped osprey]

oh ok

[simple crest]

yea

[warped osprey]

then u just need a 3600(x)

[simple crest]

thanks for the recomendations

[warped osprey]

np

[simple crest]

do u think when the stocks go up do u think the 280 super price will go down?

[warped osprey]

idk tbh

[simple crest]

oh

ok

[warped osprey]

maybe the price might go down by 10%

[simple crest]

do u think the stock cooler is okay for the build?

[warped osprey]

u gonna be overclocking cpu?

[simple crest]

nope

[warped osprey]

then its fine

[simple crest]

if i were to overclock it what should i get? rn

[warped osprey]

212 evo is what i have

[simple crest]

i heard its the best bang for the buck for a budget cooler

its like 40 bucks right?

[simple crest]

thanks

[cobalt hedge]

A 5 series cpu is not "too much for a 2070". Not even sure what that is supposed to mean. Are you talking about the game frame rate impact? Depends on the game and resolution. But the much faster IPC and higher clock options is going to be an improvement for all the things you do on a PC.

[simple crest]

i thinks he is talking about bottleneck

[terse bloom]

In all honesty, if you look at my screenshot, the AMD 3600X is bottlenecking the 2070 by -1 FPS

[simple crest]

will it affect greatly in 1080p gaming

[terse bloom]

In this picture, if you look, (cause they don't have AMD 5000 series listed,) the i9-10900K actually IMPROVES your FPS with a 2070

[cobalt hedge]

I assume but that depends on what game and what usage. Best bang for the buck for the use case. But if you can get a 5 series over a 3 series that isn't much more, ya get a 5 series.. (I have a 2700 and a 3950x in my system- and a 5600x sitting on the floor for my nephew)

[simple crest]

oh i dont havbe the money for a 10900k

im broke as hell

[terse bloom]

Not telling you to get it

[simple crest]

ik

[terse bloom]

I'm just saying, if you already have a AMD 5000 series, chances are, you're not gonna experience any bottleneck

[simple crest]

how did u manage to pick up a 5000 series

[terse bloom]

If anything, the AMD 5000 series might improve your FPS

[simple crest]

ah ok

i really want to upgrade bc i have 970 and i dont think i can wait lol

[cobalt hedge]

Planning and luck. Got up a 6am for the 5600x launch and had all the sites up for the part with "Auto Refresh Plus" running and a stock watcher discord channel going. Also had all the payment info and everything up in the sites as you can't have anything slow you down through checkout or you're done

[simple crest]

damn

i have work at 4 in the morning

[cobalt hedge]

Yeah, that isn't helpful. 🙂

[simple crest]

yup

[terse bloom]

It is what it is. There are people who will camp out overnight outside Micro Center to buy what they want.

Some, several nights in a row, cause the store didn't get a new shipment of stock yet.

[simple crest]

microcenter is on the way home for me so when the 3070

came out the line was lo9ng

[cobalt hedge]

Damn, that is hardcore. I don't love my nephew nearly enough to do that.. 🙂

Though I'd love to have some Microcenter's out here in western wa

Fry's was our last computer store but it is a zombie now

[terse bloom]

I joined a MC discord channel. There's a guy who got a hotel across the street my local store. He said it's cheaper than driving back and forth from where he lives every night

[warped osprey]

canada computers is the canadian version of micro center

[terse bloom]

But yeah, by midnight, there's usually 1 or 2 people outside.. By 5am, around 10 people outside, and then by 7 or 8am, it extends to 20 to 30 people, before they open at 9am.

[cursive canopy]

have the 3060ti, but computer ran into issues, so can't install it till the CPU issue is fixed... lol

[warped osprey]

what cpu u got?

[cursive canopy]

9700k

[warped osprey]

hm

[terse bloom]

But they have a unwritten rule/courtesy, if you leave a chair outside to hold your spot in line, you can go back to your car to warm up. Just make sure you stay in the parking lot and check in regularly.

[warped osprey]

you can leave for 2 hours i think right?

[cursive canopy]

for a bit, it was stuck at 0.79GHz... but did something with regedit, got it showing 3.6, but it's still not right

[terse bloom]

Apparently 6 people put chairs up at the front of the line, then drove away.. 7 hours later, they came back, and got pissed that everyone moved their chairs to the back of the line..

[warped osprey]

serves them right

[terse bloom]

They're lucky no one threw their chairs into the dumpster, or even stole them.

[warped osprey]

the people who line up at micro center are so damn civilized tho

[simple crest]

wow

im thinking of building a pc for my sister what is a budget friendly pc

[terse bloom]

But yeah, as long as you stay within view, I think it's okay. Cause if you drive off, no one knows when you'll be back, so it can upset a lot of people.

[simple crest]

like 400-450

[warped osprey]

get a 3400g and a b450

[terse bloom]

So if you drive away, I hope you're going out for hot drinks and food, and bring back enough for everyone else in line with you lol

[warped osprey]

or maybe an x470

[dawn plover]

i think i've got a 400 bucks list

and also if you want more perf, get a used system

[simple crest]

really

[warped osprey]

used systems can be shady sometimes

[dawn plover]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xvC3mk the only "gaming thing" there is the aorus mobo lmao

someone can revise it to make it cheaper/better

[warped osprey]

get a seagate barracuda 2tb or 1tb for mass storage

[dawn plover]

yes

[warped osprey]

and i would recommend hetting a kingston a2000 500gb nvme

[dawn plover]

and there's this for about 500 bucks https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HCPMTJ

[warped osprey]

getting*

i started off with an apu lol

[dawn plover]

the vega 11 ain't that bad of an apu to game at 720p low settings

[warped osprey]

dont get a cheap case with a psu

[dawn plover]

eh

it's a 1650 and a 10100

[warped osprey]

but the psu might be bad

[dawn plover]

true

will do more investigating on that case

[warped osprey]

for a similar price i would get a 1650 super

they have gotten pretty cheap

imma build the perfect budget pc

or make the list for one

brb

[dawn plover]

fs

[warped osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BLd3mk

done

[frozen seal]

budget has no ssd

lul

also why 600w for 3400g

[warped osprey]

oh shi-

forgot to change

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/362tK3

there

[dawn plover]

rule 9

[small birch]

newegg needs to get their sh*t together

[lone pond]

3080 strix in stock newegg

NA

3080 strix now sold out newegg

[mossy inlet]

Nah these cards don't exist. I swear

[stiff jackal]

I’m convinced the 3070 Strix is a unicorn that exists only in legend.

[mossy inlet]

They're all urban legends

[cedar nimbus]

i went in to try to get a 3080 but couldn't. ended up snagging a 6900 XT. i think i'd actually prefer the 3080, but oh well. not sure how much i'm going like the 6900 XT

[coarse spindle]

I see what you are saying but you are still lucky

[scarlet carbon]

they exist, ive bought like 4 3080 strix lol

[coarse spindle]

ive only managed to score an XLR8 3080

[scarlet carbon]

yeah those are pretty easy but i am not a fan

its not a bad card just the look

[coarse spindle]

easy? hardly

actually not bad preforming card beats some msis and asuss

[cedar nimbus]

all 3080s are hard to get

[vale glade]

damn why you need 4?

[whole quarry]

Did the 6800XT even ever exist? Or was that a lie?

[dawn plover]

it did

[coarse spindle]

it existed, but I am a nvidia fan

[dawn plover]

well it does

[scarlet carbon]

i own a computer business

[coarse spindle]

me too

[cedar nimbus]

i'm an nvidia fan too, so spending $1000 on the 6900XT felt weird. but i'm lucky to get anything at this point.

[vale glade]

oh lit

[ember vigil]

I refreshed the site for like 10 mins and they stayed out of stock

[coarse spindle]

I just pre-order all of the cards my clients want

[tacit atlas]

same here.. 😦

[ember vigil]

Is it better to use the app?

[coarse spindle]

there gone... all gone

[dawn plover]

smh

welp

[ember vigil]

Are they doin another drop tomorrow?

[zinc patio]

hi guys i downloaded cyberpunk2077 i got a radeon 6970 hd with a ryzen 3700x, 32gigds of ram 3600mhz and a mobo x570 unify msi and when i open it, it said 'Whoa! Cyberpunk 2077 has flatlined' error i think that it is the gpu, i would buy a new nvidia or amd car but you know how the stock is

[scarlet carbon]

nope there has been little drops everyday tho, same time

[dawn plover]

i think there's this guy streaming on twitch about the current stock on the 30 series cards

don't know if it's legit

[coarse spindle]

@zinc patio dude the old 60 series is ancient

and AMD drivers are hot garbage also

my mac has a better GPU sorry to say

[zinc patio]

yeah i know but i ran some new titles like sekiro at 50 fps medium settings

3080 or 6800xt? i would use these card for streaming and design

[zinc patio]

yeah i know but i ran some new titles like sekiro at 50 fps medium settings

[coarse spindle]

3080

[dawn plover]

3080

[zinc patio]

for real?

[coarse spindle]

yeah, the 6800 isnt even as good as the RTX even without dlss

and the RTX has more features, and driver support

[zinc patio]

yes these are my thoughts

but it is imposible to catch a 3080 in stock

[coarse spindle]

and AMD is never as good as nvidia for work

[zinc patio]

for these reason i got that sleepy 6970

[coarse spindle]

yeah, I was hard on it but it was a good card

[zinc patio]

i gonna use adobe suite

[coarse spindle]

yeah, most companies like adobe prefer the more mainstream nvidia

[zinc patio]

it deserves x

xD

[coarse spindle]

yeah, most companies like adobe prefer the more mainstream nvidia

cards

[zinc patio]

many people that I have asked they tell me i have to buy nvidia

[lone pond]

@mossy inlet there is a predictable pattern to when the cards come into stock on newegg, at least I know that to be the case for the 3070 since I spent a month tracking their stock. The 3080 that I had mentioned came in was on for about 2 minutes, as is the case for most of the 30 series cards when they come on.

[stone raft]

Has anyone build a work pc before?

[coarse spindle]

yes

@stone raft

[stone raft]

What's a good power supply wattage? I'm trying not to go overboard. Got a 2060 Vidya card

[coarse spindle]

1. there are a lot of variables for that

[stone raft]

True

[coarse spindle]

2. what work?

I wouldnt call a 2060 a work card

[stone raft]

Well my 3080 comes in next week. So I'm gonna repurpose my 2060 for a work pc since I just bought it 2 months ago. It will be simple work stuff...not any graphic design stuff. Probably just be able to surf the net and create word docs lol... secretary stuff

[coarse spindle]

ok... what CPU?

[stone raft]

Think of a amd ryzen 5 3600

Crap...not even sure that is good enough for the other stuff...argh I will probably just do pc builder and post it

[coarse spindle]

a 650 is probably a sweet spot

[stone raft]

650 sounds good

[coarse spindle]

I once did a work PC...

threadripper and quadro rtx 4000

[stone raft]

I'm so used to doing gaming PCs that I forgot what regular people use. I don't even use the regular stuff since I do software development.

[minor wagon]

idk why im in this chat i just wanna cry lol

[minor wagon]

D A N G

[stone raft]

Lol cry about what

[minor wagon]

you know what a joke mean?

[stone raft]

Ya, but sometimes jokes are hard to read on text

Lol

[minor wagon]

Lmao

true

i meant it like since i play on my laptop and so the graphic card is 😐

[coarse spindle]

there are egpus

[minor wagon]

gg

[stone raft]

I'm surprised people still game on laptops. Like the whole not being able to take stuff out and put stuff in at any size makes me mad.

[coarse spindle]

well... I am more of a macbook guy

[still grove]

Hi, newegg tech sent me here, maybe someone knows what I'd like to know. I bought a Nito computer with an RTX 2060 graphics card. The card has 2 display ports, then an HDMI port, another display port and underneath, a DVI port. I haven't seen another rtx 2060 card like it.
I'm using the 2 display ports and the HDMI as a single display (with 3 monitors) and the DVI as a second display. I tried to use the third Display Port and the computer sounds and the display page on windows sees it as a third monitor, but the monitor(s) I hooked it up to does not recognise it. Do I need an 'active' adapter to use the 3rd display port?

[stone raft]

@spice prawn

I never went to 3 monitors before...but that guy would probably know

[still grove]

Thanks!

[rapid herald]

I have a 3080 but it does not have a USB-C in it. I want to plug in oculus quest into it via the USB-C. Does that mean that I cant play VR on my PC with my 3080

My Mobo has a USB-C but i know that it wont be able to output graphics...obviously

[gleaming mica]

Damn dude, I was trying to get the 6900 XT that entire time and all I got was cart errors. How did you do it?

[cedar nimbus]

just got lucky -- i couldnt add any 3080's so then i tried to add the 6900XT and it worked -- seems random

[gleaming mica]

damn dudwe

maybe i'll get lucky next restock

I hope the stupid add to cart errors don't happen next time

[coarse spindle]

oh yeah, I hate those with a passion

[gleaming mica]

I saw the add to cart button so many times, but it always gave me an error. I was trying on my phone and my computer

[rapid herald]

i went to micro center and waited on a random friday for 10 hours in line

lol

[gleaming mica]

do those add to cart error mean the item is out of stock, or is it the website getting too much traffic

and when I get them, should I reload the page or just keep clicking the cart

[cursive canopy]

even baby yoda approves..

[copper mason]

@cedar nimbus Don't worry about the 6900XT, you got 16GB of VRAM vs 10GB + Ray Tracing / DLSS (AMD will have it's own comparable DLSS soon enough). There's nothing wrong with the 6900XT, AND it will age MUCH better than the 10GB 3080. The folks with 3080's may have better performance in some things for now (and of course Ray Tracing, when and where it's actually implemented/supported) , but the 16GB of VRAM will win out in the end vs 10gb. The 3080 Ti's big change is a slightly higher performance plus double the VRAM (or supposedly that's what the differences entail).
This isn't meant to anger or knock 3080 owners, but I own a 2070 Super and with only 8gb of VRAM, even at 1080p, it is not enough when developing content for a next-gen game engine that's not even fully complete yet. I am a bit steamed that I paid almost 600$ for my 2070 Super just a hair over a year ago and within 6 months I hit the VRAM limits on it. Even though I had wanted a 12~16gb card when I bought this, nothing was reasonable & was already not comfortable with what I had to spend.

Basically, I feel a bit taken by the deal I got (not at the retailer, at nVidia for charging what they do, for hardware designed to become obsolete quite quickly, VS the AMD cards which - if you don't have drivers self-destructing - have much longer practical lifetimes). I don't feel good about my purchase a year later, and I'm sorry I didn't go for a used Radeon VII 16gb card. Could have really used it.

Purportedly the driver situation is better now on the AMD front, and I've had quite a share of crashes even on the desktop with the nVidia Studio Ready drivers (yeah, really, maybe Studio Ready for BUGthesda, but not for me). Stupid Technology!

[dawn plover]

bob got summoned

now he will teach you about what you should pay for and what's better value

[copper mason]

Not here to teach, just mention something like 'hey be happy what you've got there, you got a new card with 16gb, y'all actually managed to get one, be happy!'

It took me months to even see a 3950x in stores after it came out (what I have now since mid summer). I waited a while for it, so I know the feeling. Not that the time I spent on a 3700x was painful at all, that was a really good chip and I kept thinking the PC was OFF when I came home & had the Noctua D-15S cooling it, couldn't hear anything. For what it's worth the Noctua has zero issue cooling just about any of the AM4 chips while I'm on the subject.
But yeah, back on track, entirely be thrilled like a kid on Christmas if you managed to get one of the new graphics cards that came out. It was never that hard to find a stinkin' Matrox card back in 1997~1998 (what we used just before Voodoo brought 16-bit 3D real-time smooth graphics to PC). At-least back then the card's VRAM could be upgraded (to 2 to 4 times initial capacity), can't do that anymore, which really stinks (unless you have soldering iron, access to VRAM chips, and BIOS modding abilities).

[hard wren]

uh upgrading ram on your voodoo still required a soldering iron, vram chips, and a bios flash on the gpu....

[copper mason]

Yes, on those it did, I don't believe any of 3DFX's cards were VRAM upgradeable. I meant the Matrox Millenium II, MGA/Mystique, G200/G400/G450 and so-forth

[hard wren]

I mean I guess you could just stick the chips in and bend the pins but it really should be soldered

ah yes the Matrox

never had one of those

I did upgrade my 486 to a 586 that was kind of cool being able to upgrade your cpu

[copper mason]

Yeah I had a 4MB Mystique MGA PCI in my Cyrix 6x86 (which was overclocked, in 1996 or 1997!), and a Millenium II AGP 4MB (with the faster video memory) in my Pentium II 300mhz system back in the day.
Yes, the AM586 and Pentium Overdrive (and a few other off-brands like IDT Winchip, which often were Cyrix or other brands) enabled upgrades through an interposer (for voltage) and sometimes through direct chip upgrades (depending on what it was, when it was made, who made it and so-forth). You didn't always get the better pentium FPU and pipelined architecture of it, and better 64-bit memory access (I believe it was), but anything to upgrade your 486, even if it meant a measly 25fps in Quake, still was better than 5~10 fps playing quake - or not having it run at all if you had a 486SX processor lacking an FPU. Having fast RAM even helped then.
Back in the 486 days, video cards slotted into a special VLB slot and were easily as long as today's graphics cards... and only had sometimes 512kb of video memory.

Pentium motherboards brought with it a shared bus we know as PCI. PCI had a few iterations, getting a little faster and sometimes changing shape a bit, depending on what type of market the PC was for - a slot we still use today though it's rare that top-end boards have them anymore, dropping them in favor of PCI-E slots.

[hard wren]

my voodoo 2 had a respectable 8mb of ram lol

[copper mason]

Yes, the Voodoo Banshee or something like that, they had 8 and 12mb versions I believe, and that's where the SLI originally came from - voodoo 1 and 2 days. nVidia bought 3DFX who was struggling to put out the Voodoo 5 6000 128mb card (I had a 5500 64mb card), and SLI was one of the technologies that stuck around.

[hard wren]

best part was a voodoo2 was just a voodoo1 with updated bios that ran higher clock speeds lol

[copper mason]

@sterile parcel 90's "computering" was de-facto an awesome time to be alive. Upgrades were awesome. Hardware couldn't keep up to gaming, and new genres of gaming were still being born. Heck 3D GTA didn't even come out until late 2001 - though we had a pair of 2D top-down view GTA games around 97~98.

[hard wren]

it was moving really fast then

[copper mason]

@hard wren yeah they were better made/binned chips possibly on a better process - not sure if they waited until Voodoo 3 to use better process, and I believe it was a pair or so of them on Voodoo 2 (not 100% on that), and had more VRAM to finally do 1024x768 resolution.

[hard wren]

everything was so new there were no standards back then so you could get away with more

[copper mason]

Yes it was moving very fast. You couldn't keep up. A 3000$ computer would be 'good enough' a year later, sometimes not even that. After two years, even that 3000$ computer was a paper weight basically.

[hard wren]

and gamers nexus wasnt around to test what they said LOL

oh man remember laptops

$8,000 for something that barely qualified as a pc

[copper mason]

Yeap. Had a 30$ laptop that was a black and white 486 SX 33 with 4mb of RAM and a floppy drive. The machine itself did color but the screen was black and white. But I could play DOOM in the back of MATH CLASS, and Tank Wars. Video on it was pitiful but with Windows 3.1 you did gaming from dos anyways.

[hard wren]

why so many 3000 series gpu....

and which i9?

[copper mason]

I had that black and white laptop one of my last years of highschool back at the end of the 90's. Got it second hand, could have been stolen for all I know, but I used the heck out of it, I could type faster than write so I used it for notes... and games. It was likely a good 15 pounds or more. I injured someone when they tried to take it and almost got suspended when I walloped them over the head with it. They didn't get the laptop from me though (I was pretty strong and could fight but that was the first thing that came to mind, WHUNK!). Computer was fine though (it was off).

I didn't know anyone even bought i9's, since Ryzen 3xxx and 5xxx are out, almost no reason to unless you own refrigeration company or own stock in one.

[hard wren]

well a 10980xe is a beast and if money doesnt matter...

[cold spire]

a good friend of mine had a 2080 ti then got a 3080 so h was selling his 2080 ti to me for $300 but my mom said no

😭

[copper mason]

Wendel from level one techs just said in a video last night that the 5950x walked all over a 4.3ghz OC'ed 10980xe. I mean it should considering how long the 10980XE has been out, and that it hasn't changed except a few hardware mitigations from the 7980xe. Let me fetch the video.
https://youtu.be/RLW04BycSzE

I can't really deal with Linus with how hyper he is (or his propensity to use 'like' in every sentence, which Buildzoid does even more), but Hardware Unboxed, Gamer's Nexus, and Level1Techs are pretty good. So I watch the more mature laid-back non-hyper reviewers, the ones that don't act like kids I beat up in my school days.

[hasty canyon]

i feel like all the scalpers got to the graphics card before i could even click on the link ;-;

[hard wren]

10980xe will get beat in gaming but its still better at encryption and encoding but price is what really makes it not worth it

[hard wren]

really complex cores only help if doing complex things

[copper mason]

The price of the whole x299 platform is nuts, even with the discounts by retailers who stated that: 'we can't even give the x299 boards away, no one wants them' since the Ryzen 3xxx release. I mean, the little bit you gain in performance with AVX512 can be a complete wash when you take everything else into account. Unless you need all the PCI-E lanes, there's not much market for it anymore, it BADLY needs replacement.

[hard wren]

I expect to see hybrid ARM/x86 CPUs from intel and AMD in the future lots of dumb cores with a few complex cores

plus x299 boards are a pain those stupid bristle contacts

[ripe ivy]

Well then you just get on Threadripper, it's kind of in the same ballpark in terms of price no?

[mellow crest]

hey

[hard wren]

5950x is quite a bit better than the threadripper

[copper mason]

That big little processor tech needs to stay in portables, no place for it on desktop. @ripe ivy yes, it's 1299$ and up for a Threadripper processor, 3000 series. I would wait a few months for the newer generation to release, maybe intel will have something by then too.

[tribal hedge]

It squashes second gen threadripper correct?

[copper mason]

If you mean intel's LGA sockets, I hated those things with a passion. Stupid idea from the get-go, please keep the pins on the CPU. It's much easier for me to fix a cpu pin that gets buggered, vs a motherboard that gets buggered.

[hard wren]

I think the big little cpu tech will be the future

[tribal hedge]

Woah

[hard wren]

@copper mason worst socket ever made I thought I broke my buddys $1000 XE one time nope just messed up the mobo bristles....

[tribal hedge]

Apple finally innovating after letting Mac get stomped out repeatedly??

That’s impressive.

[copper mason]

AM4 Ryzen 5xxx has better per-thread gaming performance, but Threadripper has much more PCI-E lanes, more memory channels (4 and 8 vs 2 on desktop) and is a larger chip with a large surface area (it can be cooled on air, with a special heatsink).

[hard wren]

and there will be a whatever zen new threadripper soon

[copper mason]

The only thing worse than intel's LGA sockets that came out around 2005 or so, was the stupid push-pin cooler design. Those. Coolers. Sucked.

[ripe ivy]

Don't know when it'll roll out, probably Q2?

At least they'll announce something at CES

[copper mason]

Yes, the new Threadripper generation (don't know if it will be 5000 series or not) will really be something, as will the one that follows with DDR5 system memory in mid 2022. Early 2022 for AM5 roll-out. I'd reckon february to april release in 2021 of new Threadripper and EPYC chips. They're being tested in labs now with qualification samples (basically like the retail chip).

[tribal hedge]

Isn’t PCIE 5 already being developed

[hard wren]

Just remember in like 5-10 years I'm calling hybrid arm/x86 as the future of cpus lol

[tribal hedge]

When PCIE 4.0 hasn’t even been given time to be fleshed out like pcie 3.0

[cedar nimbus]

Thanks for the great explanation about the VRAM.

[hard wren]

lol

[copper mason]

@tribal hedge yes it is, PCI-E 5 is finalized from what I know but won't be in until at-least 2022 or very late 2021. We don't need it for video aside of resizable BAR, but can always use a faster SSD, who doesn't want that (think more for large pools of non-volatile RAM).

[hard wren]

pcie 5 will be for servers first 😉

[tribal hedge]

Fair, I assume.

My only problem is like.

PCIE 4.0 felt like a lackluster leap, at least currently. Especially since developers can’t even use the advantages of it in their games

[hard wren]

and think about it like this the 3090 doesnt need pcie 4 even to transmit data to the cpu

cpus need to catch up

unless you just want to do really fast file transfers...

[copper mason]

Yes, 100%, for resizable BAR equipped compute nodes with compute GPU's in them (compute cards are not technically GPU's but made by Nvidia, and AMD, and others), and for large high-bandwidth connects to backplanes, and drive interfaces. Can't get a high-enough speed interconnect these days.

[tribal hedge]

Imo, pcie 4.0 is far too expensive with not enough benefit to it.

[hard wren]

like that 20x pcie riser slot for servers we wont see that in consumer PCs for a while

its just to add more peripherals nothing uses 20 lanes 😉

[tribal hedge]

Not enough games utilize it in their load times and such. At least what Sony and Microsoft have said.

The current load times aren’t good enough to warrant upgrading from PCIE 3.0

There aren’t any “large” Pcie 4.0 drives. The largest being a total of 2 tb if I’m correct

[hard wren]

whoa dont forget disk to disk file transfers.....LOL

[tribal hedge]

lmao.

[copper mason]

@tribal hedge PCI E 4.0 is not needed for the GPU to render frames faster - unless it's throwing a lot of models around, running out of VRAM, or using Smart Access Memory (propriety tech built onto Resizable BAR), you don't gain much from PCI-E 4.0. On X570, you do gain 2x the bandwidth to the chipset linked lanes on the bottom half of the board though, and also any PCI-E 4.0 equipped system can get a new NVME SSD or two (or three!) to hook up and enjoy the nice fast throughput if your workload demands that. This is more for pro-users / prosumers / work-at-home folks who want a workstation but either can't stomach the cost / cannot afford it or just don't wish to buy it for other reasons - now you can do data and work fast, and not worry.

[cursive canopy]

Let me ask something here, with the 3060ti, plugged it all in, and the PC didn't power up, but it powers up with the 1050ti. Could it be the cables? the PS?

[hard wren]

what psu?

[cursive canopy]

after, the CPU got throttled down to 0.79GHz, and wouldn't go over that till I got the Throttlestop program..

ocz 700w semi modular

[hard wren]

that should be enough what cpu?

[cursive canopy]

9700k

the PS is 8 years old tho....

[hard wren]

and its down throttling to less than 1 ghz???????

[tribal hedge]

Fair point. I’m just saying all the hype marketing and the fact that PCIE 5.0 is already scheduled to launch, doesn’t make much sense to me. I get it’s for server use, but marketing doesn’t help this situation a lot. Especially with things like X570 where the main selling point is an entire pcie 4 based board.

[copper mason]

@cursive canopy I would look into power supply if it refused to power on, or possibly a BIOS update if it turned on but did not reach bios. Remove any overclocks and disconnect non-vital devices and peripherals from the system to try and test-boot it. Make sure to disable any processor overclock.

[cursive canopy]

it's back to "normal" but task manager says 3.60... but that is due to using the throtlestop program

[hard wren]

I guess power supply failure on one of the rails.... shouldnt need throttlestop....

[cursive canopy]

I did do some BIOS updating too

[copper mason]

Yeah after 8 years time to get a new PSU, they get old and don't put out the amperage needed to power the GPU 100%, which it does when the system first powers on.

[cursive canopy]

I am going to try once more tomorrow during day...

[hard wren]

thats wierd that it worked at all...

[slate hedge]

y do gpu cost so much

[cursive canopy]

it's working fine now, other than having to use the program to turn off the BD PROCHOT... and i got back the CPU speed

[copper mason]

@tribal hedge The PCI consortium always have a new standard ready to go when the current new one launches, that's how it works. Tech needs to keep advancing this fast as we rely on it for everything we do these days, much more-so than 20 years ago.

[hard wren]

I would try another psu and turn it off getting dangerous when a psu is causing that much trouble

[cursive canopy]

i've flashed the BIOS 3 times, first one was the newest, then a month prior, and a month prior to that.. to see if that fixed the CPU issue.. it didn't

don't have another high watt PSU....

[hard wren]

yeah and its intel all the bios should work lmao

[cursive canopy]

yeah, even in bios the CPU would show 0.80 speed lol

all this started yesterday

[copper mason]

@cursive canopy I would definitely have a program like HWINFO to monitor voltages across the system, and keep an eye out for the minimum voltages. Test the GPU in question in another system. Chances are your 8 year old power supply may not have enough power on one rail to power the video card. That said, you could always try using different cables if you have more than a single cable with a pair of connectors on it, sometimes if you split the load across two different sets of plugs, it'll power up, especially on dated units.

[cursive canopy]

oh I have HWINFO for years, best program to keep an eye on temps and stuff

that's another thing, only found one PCIe cable to plug it all in... thinking tomorrow will determine buying another PSU or not

[hard wren]

just be careful not to hurt the poor 9700k hes innocent

[cursive canopy]

i upgraded 5 months ago, CPU, RAM, M.2 SSD, AIO cooler, and MB... used case (full tower, spent a good amount on) PSU and used 1050ti till 3000 series came out..

[tribal hedge]

uh oh.

[hard wren]

It works well for me 🤷🏼‍♂️

[cursive canopy]

I was thinking of doing a wipe/reinstall again to maybe fix the CPU issue, but now that it's working with the program.. i am 50/50 on doing full wipe

[copper mason]

Okay, I would strongly consider another power supply. Likely the old one is fine, not really 'on it's way out' but just OLD. It also may not have enough amperage as I said, even some older-design power supplies when new can't power today's enthusiast GPU's due to rail splitting (though, thankfully, most mainstream to prosumer quality power supplies use single-rail technology to avoid this). Getting a modern EPS12V power supply with the plugs your motherboard requires (I recommend one with TWO 8-pin CPU power cables, and no less than 2~4 8-pin PCI-EXPRESS Power connectors which differ from CPU power connectors). I stupid-proofed this not for you, but for other less accomplished PC builders that may read it. Wouldn't want anyone burning down the computer, or the house.

[hard wren]

it is strange for sure never heard of a cpu doing that aggressive of a throttle

[cursive canopy]

yeah, the temps on regular usage, CPU 35-54... GPU 52-62.... that is with a few of the games I play on, and GTA V playing...

bob i appreciate the information on the PSU....

trying to re-read that so I know which PSU to look for...

[hard wren]

I wonder if its something in the 3000 series bios

[cursive canopy]

I do want to get a full modular...

i've looked for things like that Nilboggen... haven't seen much

i'll probably flash it back to the newest one tomorrow...

[copper mason]

Depending on how things work, the BIOS could have gotten a bad read from last boot, gone into fail-safe after not powering on last time fully, or could have been power supply related. Sometimes clearing BIOS helps this situation, but I'd look into updating it too IF it turns on but does not post or give display out. Otherwise, I'd reckon picking up a power supply, a Seasonic is always a solid choice, you shouldn't need more than 750 watts for 95% of systems unless you're doing crazy overclocking, running scientific computation in a hot lab, or other edge/fringe use-cases. Most gaming systems fail to ever touch 600w under max stress.
I have a lowly 620w Seasonic here, just a regular off-the-shelf unit, 2070 Super, 32gb ram, x570 board, Creative sound blaster something, 3950x stock, over half dozen SSD's, optical drive and one HDD for backups... DOES NOT EVEN GET WARM. Not even close.

[rich oasis]

Could someone help with my 3070 9900k system?

for some reason its been lagging with games my 1070 and 6700 handeled fine

[hard wren]

oh not like an issue more like instructions that cause the gpu to take its power even if it was slotted for something important like the cpu. I still think the psu is the issue

[cursive canopy]

when I did try putting in the 3060ti, when i pressed the power button.. the lights on MB went on for a second, like it was discharging what it had.. like I do when I unplug the PC... and press the button so it does indeed discharge anything in reserve

and I have never done any OC'n, the other system has a 2600k that still runs well... but not as fast as the system i just built....

[copper mason]

@cursive canopy just get a 620 watt to 750 watt Seasonic unit. Go towards 750 watt if you love overclocking, if you barely overclock or don't care to waste time doing it, and aren't buying the biggest monster power-hog of a GPU or CPU you should be fine to the lower end of that spectrum. Seasonic units will last many years, have all the cables you need for almost any build, have a very high build quality / long warranty, and if you ever DO need the warranty, it's no questions asked great service, and fast too.

[cursive canopy]

i may go for 750-850, since down the road I may go for a 3080... I wanted a 3070, but never got a chance, I was lucky to get a 3060ti... big upgrade from 1050ti....

[hard wren]

too big only hurts your wallet not the pc

[cursive canopy]

yeah 850 would be highest I think i'd need for a while....

[hard wren]

there is something to be said for going over so it stays quiet too 😉

[cursive canopy]

and bronze/gold rated? just on fence with that and prices...

[hard wren]

80+gold pereferable

[copper mason]

Power supplies sometimes list CPU power cables as EPS12V. The box for the Seasonic if in brick and mortar store will say plenty, if online look at the pictures on the product page.
I'd be shocked if you could hit 700watts even with a 9900k/ks/kf, 10900k, and a 3080... even when overclocking, you'd have to be liquid cooling and going for max clocks to even pull 700 watts on that. Now if you load up with drives, have two GPU's, you could easily hit that, but it's not likely - it's there for some breathing room.

[cursive canopy]

even with side off atm, it's very quiet....

[hard wren]

its also barley working if we are talking about psu 😉

[copper mason]

Rating of the power supply matters less than branding... unless it's a 5$ difference, it amounts to pennies a month. Now comparing a generic power supply that's not even bronze rated, that you should never power a computer with, to something like a Seasonic or even a GOOD channel-well tech unit that's rated well at bronze or better - there can be a measurable savings there, but you are unlikely to earn back money for any rating above bronze through savings on your power bill.

[hard wren]

8700k 2080ti and all peripherals usually hit around 670w of my 1000w lol

[cursive canopy]

but that 2080ti isn't it power hungry?

[hard wren]

I agree good brand + good rating is best

[cursive canopy]

the 1050ti doesn't use a seperate plug, just feeds off MB

[hard wren]

279w is like max for 2080ti

[violet kestrel]

is the hx750 a good psu

formy 3070

[copper mason]

Yes, that's what I mean, people think it's still 2008~2010 or so with needing a Gigawatt. Modern systems don't use that (well, the 3000 series Nvidia GPU's aren't helping this argument any!!!), but seriously, 750w is plenty. One must spend their money however they wish though, and who knows what 500 watt GPU's will fall out of the sky next year - there is always a bit of good sleep gained when well prepared.

[cursive canopy]

i'm hearing there will be 3050 GPU's coming out at some point

[hard wren]

agreed a 750w is all my system needs but at a 1000w my psu fan doesnt even turn on lol

[copper mason]

Yes and it will arguably last a little longer that way, not working as much or as hard. Some folks sleep better buying more than they need, vs lose sleep not knowing if they have bought a good enough part.

[hard wren]

nvidia will do the nvidia thing I expect to see many more models in the 3000 series

yeah people get a little too worried about it. most important thing is to get a good brand with a good rating

[copper mason]

3080Ti drops week 3 or 4 of January 2021 with 20gb VRAM and 16GB 3070Ti later. VRAM amounts and a little more core speed mark the changes here.

[cursive canopy]

yeah, i bought the 700w since I knew i'd not worry about reaching peak usage... but now that it's 8 years old.. thinking that is next upgrade for the GPU

[copper mason]

I swear by Seasonic power supplies, I had one last 5 years of lightning strikes and terrible power grid quality ... now it would have lasted 10+ years without all that, but it didn't murder the computer and never let surges through. I have never seen more stable power output either. Those voltages DO NOT move, at all.

[hard wren]

confirmation on the 20gb for the 3080ti?????

[cursive canopy]

thermaltake or cooler master are in my price range with 750w 80+gold atm i see

rosewill has a nice 850w but 80 plus bronze...

[copper mason]

To my best knowledge with contacts inside the industry, 20gb 3080 Ti to strike back at AMD should come in late January. Now it will still take several more months for supply to even start normalizing, but that's the best info I have right now.

[hard wren]

check evga on wednesday

I really want one of those

[cursive canopy]

why evga?

and I love evga GPU's.. had them for many years... but liked the founder's edition for this round

[hard wren]

good psu's that are gold rated and they have crazy sales on wednesdays for some reason

[cursive canopy]

oh, on evga site or newegg?

[hard wren]

both

cant recommend their bronze rated though

[cursive canopy]

on newegg, a lot of their stock is "auto notify"

https://www.newegg.com/evga-supernova-750-g1-120-gp-0750-x1-750w/p/N82E16817438132?Item=N82E16817438132&Description=power supply&cm_re=power_supply-_-17-438-132-_-Product&quicklink=true

[hard wren]

https://www.newegg.com/evga-supernova-850-g1-120-gp-0850-x1-850w/p/N82E16817438133?Item=N82E16817438133&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-COM&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ASID=https%3A%2F%2Fpcpartpicker.com%2F&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-xaWKM9mOekJrYOJIt2yDIQ

like this one when its one sale

[copper mason]

get one with a good warranty whatever it is.

[cursive canopy]

I was looking at the EVGA when I was pricing up this PC on pcpartpicker... because of the name EVGA

[hard wren]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VfM323/seasonic-prime-ultra-gold-750w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ssr-750gd2 this is another one to watch for a sale

[cursive canopy]

i like the EVGA, more spread out

[hard wren]

they make an 850w too but they want like 188 for it right now

yep

[cursive canopy]

omg

[hard wren]

see thats the price you want to wait for

[cursive canopy]

yeah.. i can wait to install the graphics card if it doesn't work tomorrow till i get the new PSU

yeah, i priced this PC parts up for weeks on months till it was right timing.. some i paid a bit more.. the MB mostly.. but I really wanted it...

[copper mason]

I used EVGA units to power the email machines. They were cheaper made and lighter than the Seasonic units of the same rating, but they weren't bad on any front, I'd say no worse off than some of the other secondary 'label' brands (label brands are just that - a label - but Seasonic, CWT, Antec, Sparkle, and a few other makers make PSU's, brands like Corsair, Fractal, so-forth are 'label' brands because they stick their label on some other OEM's product and sell it as their own, and provide support/warranty/service/marketing for it).

[cursive canopy]

rommy, MSI Tomahawk z390...

oh nice.. think that was in my view if it is what I am thinking of

yeah... it was one of the ones I was looking at...

i got the MB off.. walmart of all places.. but cost 225 but it was lower from another site, but they canceled order :/ so had all the other parts waiting for it

[copper mason]

That's a very good way to be. I was using an AMD Athlon II x4 machine made from junked thrift shop computer parts, and sticking my money into AMD stock when it was <2$ a share, heh heh. Five digits worth of stock back then (almost six digits but alas, didn't have it). Always be smart with money!

[hard wren]

@copper mason I think seasonic is a better company but they also cost a little more

right now I should say thats not always the case

[cursive canopy]

yeah, I will stay a bit before spending money, hence the 1050ti for a few years.. was almost going to buy a 2060s but then heard the 3000 series was coming out, so said.. i can wait a few more months

[hard wren]

good call on that 3060ti is way better

[copper mason]

@hard wren yes, they are top-tier, but not everyone can afford it. I have to use them here for protection from murderous power surges, a good surge surpressor bought and replaced yearly helps too. That said, I have been EXTREMELY impressed by service by Seasonic, them along with Noctua, Fractal (who's cases I adore & swear by, best thing since Lian-Li along with high-end Corsairs like 900D), and a few others... but yes, Seasonic will even send free cable upgrades out if you need them in the future even if your unit is a year old.

It's nice to have things paid for, some people get conned into paying monthly payments for a telephone of all things. I mean, really? Really? REALLY? Those are the same folks who come to yourself and myself and ask to borrow 20$ until payday, though.

[cursive canopy]

i enjoy getting my money's worth too.. I have and it still works.. the 2600k build sitting next to me, in the old old case lol

[hard wren]

Western digital and Samsung have wowed me the most with their customer service. WD always replaces drives with new drives and will recover all of your data off the dead drive. I smashed into my samsung tv with the vacuum handle while vacuuming cracked the whole screen called samsung told them what happened and they sent me the a whole new tv even though I was 6 months outside the warranty period...

[cursive canopy]

really?? WD does??? glad I got their m.2 nvme 😄

good to know

[hard wren]

has been a while since I had a dead one but yeah they did 5 years ago

[cursive canopy]

i picked the WD black m.2 for their speed... was almost up to par of samsung.. but a lot cheaper price

[copper mason]

When I need something I buy new if the local cash-and-carry type stores (pawn / thrift) doesn't have what I need. I haven't gotten a new drive from WD in about 7 or 8 years. I think last time was black friday november 2012. Good to know they have good service now. Use Hitachi / HGST (now owned by WD) though... drives are generally flawless outside of the industry-wide cursed 3TB / a bit of the 6TB drives.

[cursive canopy]

exactly... back when the 2600k PC was built.. i coulda gone for a bit faster, but was another 400 bucks, for small increase... so the extra i saved I got an SSD for it 😄

[hard wren]

lol the curse of the 3tb

3tb is the the 13th floor of PCs

[copper mason]

That said, I have a 500gb velociraptor drive that still does work, one of those super-loud 10krpm models... it's definitely well made.

Yes it is! @hard wren

One look at the backblaze data for them from a few years back (2017?) was all that was needed. They were so bad by the next year they were all gone.

[hard wren]

my cheetah died like 3 years ago 😦 it made it a long time though I bought it in 96-97 it was doing 10,000rpm really loud for a long time may it rest in peace

[copper mason]

With that known, this 2TB Hitachi drive (yes, it's not HGST, it's that old) that I got 2nd-hand, still runs, nary an issue. I use it for system images and mass-backups like my old MS-DOS / Win95 CD's and CD-R's from 1997 when I got a 2x CD Burner.

[keen drum]

how does ventus 3x 3070 compare to strix 3070

[hard wren]

well the 3070 tuf is just a way better deal than the ventus or the strix lol

[copper mason]

YES those 10k and 15k SCSI drives were LOUD. Could hear one spin up and work from 20~25 feet away in the office with the case cover on the PC. I remember those. I think I still have a Quantam Fireball 4.3gb drive here from something, in the desk. I believe it will still spin up. F to pay respects for the fallen Cheetah drive :x

[hard wren]

the strix is better than the ventus if just because of the better caps

[copper mason]

@keen drum I don't think I'd jump for a 3070 over a 2080 Ti if you already have the 2080, yes the RT performance is a tad better, but you lose 3GB of VRAM. Wait until the 3000 series TI models come out next month or there-abouts.

[hard wren]

yeah I'm still holding onto my 2080ti until the 3080ti is unveiled

usually 6 months after 80 card is released it gets Ti-ed

[cursive canopy]

ok got lost shopping for PSU's lol...

[keen drum]

no i need to change my name lol ebay decided to cancel my 2080ti order

[hard wren]

plus my wife said no to the 3090 😢

[cursive canopy]

one thing, having a full tower.. the PSU cables to CPU... tend to not be long enough to hide behind where all the other cables go

[copper mason]

I'm hanging tight on this 2070 Super until 16GB cards come down to 400$ and are at-least as fast as this card (or close, I don't even need a card this fast, only got this to get rid of my crash-tastic RX 480 8gb card after 3 years, it just needs more VRAM).

[cursive canopy]

so cable management is horrible on this build lol

[lofty karma]

@hard wren 3090>wife

[cursive canopy]

happy wife, happy life.. .but that 3090 from a wife.. would be very good

[copper mason]

@cursive canopy get an extension cable. Higher wattage power supplies may tend to have longer cables, but check product descriptions. Get a decent quality extender cable, you don't want to go through thinking you have a dead MoBo when your EPS12V connector rocked or vibrated loose.

[hard wren]

I hover right around 60fps with the 2080ti and 8700k at 4k RT Ultra settings in 2077 so I am ok for now

[cursive canopy]

EPS12v??? what is that?

[hard wren]

if it would have struggled though I would have been justified so I was kind of hoping it would struggle more lol

[lofty karma]

@hard wren holdup I have the specs as my name says and I only get 45-55 fps at 4k on ray traced ultra ??

[hard wren]

are you overclocked?

[copper mason]

EPS12V is the standard that has replaced ATX, even though power supplies are still called ATX, it's the addition of the ATX 12V CPU power connector, the 8-pin one I believe.

[lofty karma]

@hard wren about 5.2ghz yea

[hard wren]

I drop to 40's when driving but running around the world 57-61fps

[cursive canopy]

ahhh ok... most of the options still say ATX.... not EPS12V

oh, they do

[copper mason]

Make sure you use NEWEST NVIDIA DRIVERS GAME READY version for best Cyberpunk 2077 FPS.

[cursive canopy]

just looked LOL

[hard wren]

is gpu overclocked

[cursive canopy]

ATX12v and ATX12v/EPS12v

[lofty karma]

@hard wren boosting to 1980mhz on gpu

[copper mason]

@cursive canopy yes, ATX is still a term used.

[hard wren]

can you push it to 2100mhz?

samsung vram?

[copper mason]

@lofty karma make sure you have release day Nvidia game-ready drivers installed, otherwise that will be reason for performance difference.

[lofty karma]

I can yea it runs super cool like 55 degrees on a water block , I will try with afterburner

Yea I downloaded those new 4.60 drivers yesterday

[cursive canopy]

I will also look for the newer made...

[hard wren]

I have the 8700k at 5.3 on all cores and 2080ti at 2115mhz core and 7500mhz memory clock

[copper mason]

Yes, that's right, thank-you for the correction, appreciated. Too many terms for time of 2200 hours here :x

[cursive canopy]

oh didn't know it was a correction, was just typing what I saw from newegg website...

[lofty karma]

I've got 64gb at 3500mhz, idk if pushing it higher would do the trick @hard wren

[hard wren]

and my 2080ti is air cooled

not sure I dont think system ram should change much but my 64g is running at 4666mhz....LOL

[lofty karma]

@hard wren bruh did u get toughram or crucial how tf u get that fast

[copper mason]

My 38 year old brain is getting the hour glass more and more often earlier and earlier in the evening.
But yes, just look for a power supply that has two 8-pin CPU power (EPS12V) cables, and at-least a few 8-pin PCI-Express (graphics) power connectors, generally all 750w models will have this. 750w should be more than plenty for your needs and leave you plenty of wiggle room. If you feel like dropping over 1000$ on a GPU, consider getting 800w or 850w if it makes you feel better, not that you'll need it. @cursive canopy

[cursive canopy]

1000 on GPU??? O.O lol 125-150 is what I think is reasonable to spend on a decent PSU

oh GPU, thought 1000 on PSU lol

[copper mason]

What's the timings on the memory? Mhz is one thing, but only half the equation. Timings can make all the difference. If it's micron memory, try tightening all but the 3rd timing. If it's B-die, it should overclock easily and lower timings readily. If it's Hynix, well, that's batting in the dark blindfolded for a pinata that might not even exist... (B-die is obviously Samsung)

[lofty karma]

@copper mason it's cl16, my timings rn - 16 - 18 -18 -36

[hardy wind]

someone help @ sexyboi in vc, he needs help building a pc

[copper mason]

E.G. 3200mhz CL-16 memory is the same as 3000mhz CL-15, or 3600mhz CL-18, do not be fooled by RAM marketing propaganda 🙂 While there might be a miniscule difference between all those I listed in the past sentence, it's not even close to borderline margin-of-error stuff. Consider seeing if you can tighten timings if possible, at a variety of speeds, to find your memory's sweet spot. It won't always help a bunch on intel VS Ryzen platform, but it helps either way especially when doing renders, physics, encode/decode (zip/unzip too), and other things like that.

[cursive canopy]

half a blink to 1/4 of a blink of speed difference O.O

[hardy wind]

cl dont matter with high speed ram like 3600mhz

[cursive canopy]

3000-3200 i think is priced better than the higher ones...

[hardy wind]

and the difference between cl 16 and 18 is 0.6 MILLISECONDS

[copper mason]

Also, @lofty karma I want you to look up LATENCYMON which is a latency monitor program (it should be free, it should not come with spyware), to see if you get high latency bugs on the nvidia driver, some systems get this on nvidia drivers (less with AMD but it can happen), and it can happen on intel or Ryzen systems. Do not underestimate what latency can do with graphics drivers. It can cut FPS in half at worst-case!

[hard wren]

cant seem to find what ram I bought says CORSAIR Vengeance LPX on it lol

https://www.newegg.com/corsair-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820236657?&quicklink=true

there we go

[copper mason]

@hardy wind the heck it doesn't matter. Go on and look up memory testing on modern systems done by any of the popular youtubers that do tech, all of them have covered it just about, and yes it makes a BIG difference especially when you have a lot of busy cores on a desktop dual-channel memory configuration - especially Ryzen systems.

[cursive canopy]

i like this sale.. 139.95... the price originall 139.99 LOL

[hard wren]

I got those for 449.99 a kit though not that crazy price

[copper mason]

It will never be like a GPU upgrade when tuning ram, but if you can squeeze out an extra 5~10% of speed, for free, without inducing crashing or burning down the tower, then why the heck not? Exceptions: production or business systems, buy better hardware from the get-go for these purposes.

[cursive canopy]

rommy.. nice!! i will keep looking, but their prices atm is similar to higher

[copper mason]

They have very good customer service for the consumer, too. Use caution when being a seller, though.

[hard wren]

I am fairly certain if I put my 3600 ram back in I wont notice more than 1 fps difference

in CAD though its a pretty big deal

[cursive canopy]

yeah, i usually stick with newegg, bestbuy, amazon first before ebay...

i DID buy one of those mini NES systems for 16bucks on newegg 😄 still haven't tried it yet lol but was cheapest

[hardy wind]

jaystwocents said that theres not a big defference between 3600mhz cl18 anc cl16 cus cast latency doesnt matter on higher speed ram and he was doing a amd build

[copper mason]

Depends what you do. If you spent an hour encoding video every day, maybe that 6 minutes on a 10% difference would be nice, but if you're playing games and not using the CPU hard (which some games do not), then it's something you may never notice.

[hard wren]

oh yeah like I said it helps in cad for work

but gaming I dont notice hardly any difference

[cursive canopy]

games tend to have spikes of CPU usage, up/down.. so the RAM may not be used fully all the time too... so the higher speed RAM I think just more expensive for a small marginal fps increase

[copper mason]

I do game design on here, and it helps, this stuff isn't 100% enough to satisfy Youtube reviewers (it's micron, I can tighten timings, but I digress, game development precludes playing with the clockspeed of things), but if I had 2400mhz DDR4 like a lot of the Skylake machines shipped with, it'd be a 20% hit to performance. This was bargain bin ram though, so when planning to replace it with a 2x 32gb or 4x 32gb kit I wasn't putting out much for it.

[hard wren]

now thats not to say an amd cpu doesnt also benefit from timings and speed and far more so than an intel cpu

[cursive canopy]

oh wow

i'm sure she saw it unopened and felt like something lol

[copper mason]

Intel CPU's use single and dual-ring-bus configurations. X299 processors often use a mesh topology. AMD uses a mesh-like topology and everything is based on RAM speed and timing, or in the case of 7nm Ryzen 3xxx or higher, ratios to RAM speed and still works off timings. Everything in the Ryzen processor (all of them actually) is still 'paced' when using memory outside the CPU's core logic area, or using cache in another section or group of the die (where it must use the IO chip communication to get to it). So all those timings make a BIG difference on Ryzen, while helping intel a little in certain work loads.

[hard wren]

very good explanation

[copper mason]

I've likely sat through days of it being explained over and over and over, could probably teach it to kids at the local vo-tech... read so many articles, but I'm 38 and retired with Game development as a side-thing, so I have a LOT of time... but yeah, the Ryzen layout scales REALLY well when you have good RAM speed and bandwidth and scales well big or small. It just doesn't scale well when it's held back by slow memory though.

[cursive canopy]

thinking on the EVGA superNOVA 850 G5 80 plus gold.. fully modular... 159.99 atm.. not bad...

[hard wren]

oh yeah good price on a g5

[cursive canopy]

newegg...

but they want 6.99 shipping

G+ same price...

yeah... but if they go on sale wed??? that should knock off a bit

[copper mason]

7$ shipping shouldn't make or break a 150~200$ part purchase, but I can't throw even 1¢ of shade at wanting to find a good or better deal - I'm that way too.

[cursive canopy]

oh it isn't, just making note on it

[copper mason]

@cursive canopy If waiting isn't killing you, keep an eye out for shell shocker and daily deals from newegg (and possibly other sites). Good things (deals!) come to those who wait, or so they say.

[cursive canopy]

yeah... I honestly have no problem waiting.. but I will have this 3060ti staring at me LOL

ok Rommy, thanks!

[hard wren]

lol thats sounds like a problem to me

[cursive canopy]

there is a LOT of connectors too...

[copper mason]

Keep an eye out for Seasonic units too, you might find a good deal on a Seasonic unit and they're definitely primo quality stuff. Check the local classifieds provided it's new-sealed or can be demonstrated it's in working order (this is of course, if you know how to meet others in person safely, don't invite them over for dinner etc etc).

[hard wren]

also if you have a best buy they will price match evga, amazon, newegg as long as its not a third party seller

[cursive canopy]

i waited 5 months to get the 3060ti... but now I have it is like.. O.O

it will be known by tomorrow if the GPU doesn't work in this PC... for one reason or another, and will make me buy the needed PSU

bestbuy is closest to me than all else too

[hard wren]

yeah I get a lot of my tech from best buy. I price match so often me and the manager are on a first name basis lol

[cursive canopy]

i moved from NY.. so friends/family are up there lol

[copper mason]

I picked up my X570 motherboard at best buy, they had an MSI MPG X570 and a MSI B550 board and an ASUS Tuf Gaming X570 board, it was quick and painless, got the X570. I needed it then and there as I smoked the ASROCK x570 board in two months of having the 3950x (stock clocks!) on it. If I could have waited, I could have gotten it 20$ cheaper and 3 days later on Newegg. Newegg has the best deal, but who wants to be without their 16-core computer???

[cursive canopy]

seasonic... 139.99 but "get it in 2-3 weeks" lol

from best buy

i actually bought the GPU from bestbuy.. they shipped it to the store

[hard wren]

the price match is the key

[copper mason]

@sterile parcel I lose an entire day driving 450 miles round-trip to Micro Center. I got most of these parts in here there though, good service too.

[cursive canopy]

i wish I had a micro center close by