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dense flicker
midnight summit
What do guys think of that pc
spare relic
my punny still works 
midnight summit
Being sold for 1k
midnight summit
Would you buy it for 1k
midnight summit
Yeah I’m asking around
dense flicker
my pc cost around $1500 and i have a 8700 and a 1070, but then again i also have a crap ton of rgb and stuff
midnight summit
What happened to visi
hexed forge
it seems pretty decent to me for that price
midnight summit
I’m thinking about snagging it
hexed forge
id ask what mhz the ram is
hexed forge
prob not actually. its hard to sell a prebuilt a lot of times
dense flicker
but id assume 3200 16-18-18-38
¯_(ツ)_/¯
no, they built it themselves
it says in the desc
hexed forge
cause why buy one from me when you can buy one from a trusted retailer with a warrenty and it works garanteed
dense flicker
yeah
hexed forge
no i know but to them its prebuilt i mean
hexed forge
itd be easier to ask people to pay you percentage plus parts to custom build the exact pc they want
midnight summit
I’m sure there’s a person in my area who does that
hexed forge
theres like 12 in my neighborhood probably lol
zenith kraken
so it looks like on an NZXT case, no matter what you have to cut
hexed forge
you said there was a port but wasn't exactly like his right
zenith kraken
its got a gap but, i just remembered it where the plate goes i forgot to put back 
hexed forge
oh lol
well then it looks like your options are support bracket, chain saw, or buy a new case
hexed forge
id just go support bracket
zenith kraken
$30 for a bracket and a cut over at least $80 for a decent case
hexed forge
im talkin about like this bracket
your gpu looks plenty cool on the side right now and thats a cheap solution to stop the sag
zenith kraken
i was thinking about something like this: https://www.amazon.com/Personalized-Aura-Sync-Brace-Support/dp/B07L86T7VP/ref=pd_sbs_147_7?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B07L86T7VP&pd_rd_r=41db939b-ff9c-4d1e-8f82-cfde974b1af3&pd_rd_w=Rhi69&pd_rd_wg=UBPhY&pf_rd_p=7c0dad87-8a25-4c4f-9349-026039ea6cb3&pf_rd_r=EZS3G0VZC49T2VS1GAHC&psc=1&refRID=EZS3G0VZC49T2VS1GAHC
the one thing i want to do, is supposedly the MSI logo on my GPU can go RGB
but i cant get it to register in my MSI Mystic Lights
hexed forge
ok i like those
wicked hound
@midnight summit used? 1k for that is a no go if it's used
lol yeah
not a great deal
zenith kraken
ok so everything I read says the MSI 1080 gaming X has full RGB, but mystic lighting only giving me the red options. Anyone know anything I dont?
wicked hound
@midnight summit Consider looking at this. Notice how the prices are the same for a new PC?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DZ3FXv
that is better, better mobo and GPU
PSU wasnt mentioned in the ad, so I doubt it is good
@dense flicker Just pinging you so you can see above as well. Just so that you kinda know where the whole "good deal" line is for a 1k PC. I'd say that 1080Ti PC should be max $900, but prolly more like ~$700. It is used after all
ancient crystal
i only have a 1650
and my plans to get a GPU next month are sort of crushed
because i have new expenses coming in, moving expenses that need to be saved for
vague wren
i sent the founder of nvidia a long email and sadly got no respons
ancient crystal
lol
verbal cairn
https://www.asus.com/Graphics-Cards/DUAL-RX580-O8G/ VS https://www.asrock.com/Graphics-Card/AMD/Phantom Gaming X Radeon RX580 8G OC/ VS https://www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-RX580GAMING-8GD-rev-10-11-12#kf VS https://www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-RX580AORUS-8GD-rev-10-11#kf
Which one is better ?
gray vapor
GTX 1650 Super
limpid gale
Yo i need like a good graphics card for my pc but just don’t have the money
verbal cairn
1650S hmm
gray vapor
It is on par or better than the RX 580 in certain titles and does require less power as well
and if buying new would be cheaper
verbal cairn
But is 4gb vram plenty ?
Cause I was searching for 6gb+ wasn’t too sure about vram consumption in games
lone pond
What gpu do you guys think would be the best to pair with a ryzen 3 3200g
gray vapor
anything above the RX 560/GTX 1050
lone pond
I was thinking gtx 1660?
gray vapor
it would be fine
lone pond
Someone told me it would be a bottleneck but i didnt think that was an accurate assumption
gray vapor
No idea who would tell you that
lone pond
Yea exactly
gray vapor
@verbal cairn If you look up a lot of benchmark video's for the 1650 Super you can see that little 4gb card would be on par or better than the RX 580 8gb
Here is one titles that shows it performing better
verbal cairn
Oh my, that’s great news
It’s the game I play the most too lol
Plus 1650S is like 30 bucks cheaper in my country so that’s nice
Im struggling choosing the best manufacturer tho which model / brand is the best out there on the market for a 1650 S
I’m not sure what matters when choosing a manufacturer ? Boost clocks ? Factory over clocked ? Ports ?
Like what differences are there between different 1650 supers from different brands
gray vapor
When i look at a GPU company i look for cooling and customer service which i would tend to go for EVGA
second i would go for Zotac
If you're able to find this one it would be good https://www.newegg.com/evga-geforce-gtx-1650-super-04g-p4-1357-kr/p/N82E16814487482
verbal cairn
Thx for recommending
However other than customer service if I want the most performance possible would there be another company I should opt for ?
There are options like Galax, MSI, Zotac, EVGA, Gigabyte where I live
For the 1650 Super of course
gray vapor
You would still get great performance from EVGA but overall what you would want is cooling
If you have great performance but crappy cooling then it would over heat a lot
ancient crystal
i have a regular 1650 and it'll run something like GTA5 maxed at 1080p
can only imagine the super is much better
peak pasture
Its only recently I realised how bad of systems GTA5 can actually run 1080p on.
ancient crystal
my system is going to be much better than my GPU now
😄
but i have to wait because a financial emergency has been bestowed upon me and i need to have about $1500 total by march
livid girder
yeah it's actually crazy how playable gta is on any system
my little rx570 plays it maxed like a king
gray vapor
3400G can play it on normal with high detail to get 50 fps
If AMD makes a strong APU in 5 years it would be able to play RDR2 on normal with high details
floral dagger
hey guys, the most demanding game i play is probably the new star wars, looking to get a new GPU. Motherboard is a Asus Tuf x470-plus with a Ryzen 5 3400g, not looking to spend more than 400 dollars. Any suggestions?
wicked hound
x470 and a 3400g? Why? Anyways if you need CUDA, NVENC, or GSYNC then 2060S. If not then 5700XT
mighty dragon
So, I just got an xfx rx 580 oc and it just does not work
the light on it is blue and it is in my pcie, but shortly after booting my pc the fans spin and then it just stops, after that my screen flickers after I have my hdmi plugged into my gpu and monitor, I have disabled my vega 8 apu drivers and then re-installed my gpu. To no avail though, even after installing the latest drivers too
covert parcel
there are so many different 580 which one is it
nitr=
nitro+
8gb or 4gb
i got £150 left of my budget
it is flexible
red walrus
Looking for a good RX 5700 card form Radeon any brand to pick. I was planning on getting the XFX version.
pale talon
Question about GPUs
Specifically ones that look like these:
No case listing a brand, ones from listings that simply say "AMD/HP/etc."
How do I check compatibility of these with a particular motherboard?
wicked hound
Think I found the model
tender mulch
Oof
tender mulch
The only thing that card would be good for is a server or something without a GPU.
A GTX460 is faster than that one
covert parcel
do i need the 8gb or 4 gb
spice prawn
you had £150 right? @covert parcel
the £150 opens up for something like this https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/CVBhP6/zotac-geforce-gtx-1650-super-4-gb-twin-fan-video-card-zt-t16510f-10l
@covert parcel
calm tartan
@pale talon why can’t you just save up and get a used 1060 or a 1650
chrome sonnet
Should I wait for the 20 series GPU price to drop? I wanna buy the ROG Strix 2060 GPU but unsure
mellow kiln
wait until we see what AMD and Nvidia announce at CES
vale ocean
mellow kiln
damn 560 ti is old
dim aspen
My 660Ti is still kicking 
tight furnace
Lul
dim aspen
Right now I'm running a GTX 1070 SC on my Easy 3.0 Bench
Waiting on some extensions to come in to clean up the cables but its all running smooth right now
lyric ether
how good is a 2070 super
teal bluff
It’s really good because it’s an nvidia card so it has ray tracing and lots of software support
worthy halo
What's the Nvidia equivalent of a Radeon Rx 5700 xt
tender mulch
2070/2070super
granite juniper
or at the same price the 2060 super
mellow kiln
@dim aspen If you'd like, I can take some photos of my really old graphics cards
I've got a HD 5770 from 2009 and some kind of pre 2000s weird card
spice prawn
s3? tseng?
mellow kiln
I'm not quite sure, I'll have to take a look later
spice prawn
i still, to this day wish that the Kyro cards had more success than they did
that was a real interesting tech
dawn elbow
what would be a upgrade like one step up from a radeon rx 480 that would operate better
dawn elbow
just trying to figure out what one i should look at getting i dont have a ton of money to spend but want to go up one on gpu
gray vapor
depends on your budget
mellow kiln
a meaningfull upgrade would be the 5700, that would suffice 1080p max for next 3-5 years
gray vapor
longer than that but ok
mellow kiln
BUT! The 1070 used is $150 cheaper 🙂
dawn elbow
the 5700 is radeon gpu right
mellow kiln
yes
if you don't mind used hardware, you might want to look at used gtx 1080s and 1080tis
dawn elbow
im going to check that out and see what i can find and just figured i would ask and see what would be suggested
mellow kiln
ye
gray vapor
If going new with Nvidia there is the 1660 Super which would last 3 to 5 years at 1080p
mellow kiln
is that meaningful of an upgrade over an rx480 though? why not go higher than that?
dawn elbow
have to go to work will be back later
mellow kiln
1070 is 150% the performance of a rx480 just keep that in mind
dawn elbow
ty for the info and appreciate the help
gray vapor
He took it apart that is why
mellow kiln
there seem to be a lot of 1070s on ebay with 1 fan missing
and then there's that one dude with like 10 1070s to sell
gray vapor
one of the screws in the image is slightly damaged so you know it was taken apart which a good chance for the fan he didn't secure it properly or broke it and tried to fix it which resulted to it coming off
mellow kiln
well, maybe zotac has some issues with fans, because they all seem to be zotac 1070s with that issue
wise kiln
When I worked at a recycler, we had multiple lots of over a hundred Zotacs each come in, and overwhelmingly, if anything was wrong at all, it was the fans.
spice prawn
over ever seen that with clud3d cards myself (massive amounts of cards with the same failure point)
mellow kiln
if a zotac 1070 amp only had 1 fan, would it be able to keep temps under control?
gray vapor
You do know that one you linked is a PNY
wise kiln
Honestly, most of the cards worked fine and the only reason they were sent for recycling is because the uni was refreshing machines.
mellow kiln
I have not been able to find this model anywhere except best buy
and thus, no reviews except best buy reviews
My 1050 Ti is also this xlr8 cooler, but it runs kinda loud and I'm wondering if the asus dual or gigabyte windforce are better
gray vapor
looks so dirty
mellow kiln
nothing a little canned air and repasting cant fix
gray vapor
and taking out the fans to actually clean then
mellow kiln
watch for my ebay listing for a used 1070 with TWO missing fans
gray vapor
The thing is with those listings i wouldn't buy them because i took a look at the condition of the whole card including the screws and when i would notice a little bit of a tearing on the screw i know the person may have tighten it a little too much
dim aspen
@mellow kiln Yeah boi. Let me see them old cards 😂
mellow kiln
@gray vapor I'm not looking to buy the cards with defect fans, I'm asking whether the pny xlr8 is a good cooler for the 1070, and how does it compare to the asus dual and gigabyte windforce
tender mulch
Streaming? Or just gaming?
median pagoda
5700
tender mulch
For streaming, nVidia is still king because of NVENC
median pagoda
5700xt is like a 2070
tender mulch
If you're going to be streaming at 1080p, the 2060 super
If you aren't going to be streaming, the 5700/XT
tender mulch
EVGA
median pagoda
anything that isnt msi
median pagoda
their coolers are doodoo
tender mulch
Lemme see if I can find another one
chrome sonnet
Thanks
tender mulch
If you have a Microcenter near you
wise kiln
I have an MSI 5700XT, and after redoing paste/pads it's pretty good
gray vapor
If you have to redo the pads and paste then it is not really that good
tender mulch
EVGA
granite sphinx
I dont like their shroud designs but it might grow on me eventually
mellow kiln
@median pagoda my msi gaming x rx480 would like to differ from your opinion
gray vapor
Well you're looking at your monitor at all times not the GPU
median pagoda
480s arent that powerful of cards so it probably stays pretty cool
granite sphinx
doesnt invalidate my point lol
median pagoda
but any high end card gets pretty toasty with an msi cooler
mellow kiln
480s run pretty hot...but after a repaste, it does pretty well
mellow kiln
well to be fair, my rx480 was ex mining
gray vapor
Change the bios to become gaming then
mellow kiln
why do you assume the miner changed the bios?
median pagoda
if you get an msi card for cheap and are willing to repaste, they are good
gray vapor
because when mining it is best to use the mining bios
besides for mining there was a lot of people that did it with about 30 Pi's daisy chained together
mellow kiln
I just checked the ebay listing, it's using stock bios
the seller wasn't one of those mass miners with 10+ gpus
gray vapor
ok you looked at the listing but did you look at the actual bios
gray vapor
One thing with ebay is what i believe is never fully trust everything a seller says
mellow kiln
tru tru, haven't been screwed over yet, but it might happen in the future
gray vapor
I have been once but that was like 15-20 years ago before they had the whole refund policy
Good thing it was only for like 10$ which was for a PSP battery
mellow kiln
Been looking at gtx1660s vs 1070 benchmarks and they look incredibly close (which would explain why 1070s are so cheap on ebay)
Would it be worth it to spend $10-20 on a 1660s for that new nvenc encoder?
or get a 1070 for that 8gb vram
gray vapor
If it was me i would go for the 1660 Super
ancient crystal
i miss microcenter
i had one near me when i lived in minnesota
it was a wonderful place
gray vapor
Anni is a Microcenter Spy 
ancient crystal
that's about 13 years ago now
they're probably less cool now than they were then, stuff was just kind of hanging out on tables and in bins and on impromptu warehouse shelving back then
it had the DIY aesthetic, like they just DIY'd the entire store
karmic solar
A 2080S, or something comparable in performance, should be able to handle AAA games at 1440p with good frames, right?
peak pasture
@karmic solar Yep.
abstract monolith
Should I buy a 2000 series card now or wait for the 3000 to come out and maybe see if the prices drop
verbal cairn
If I didn’t need to buy the CPU ASAP I would personally wait for 3xxx prices to drop
The performance is usually much better
You could at least wait for Intel 10th Gen to drop to see how Ryzen CPU prices fluctuate @abstract monolith
But why in #graphics-cards and not in #cpus-mobo-and-memory
??
calm tartan
@abstract monolith you realize if your gonna wait for the 3rd gen cards expect to wait a few years because it took them a long time to even drop the 2000 series
Just go with 2000 series it won’t hurt I have a 1000 series system that runs super nicely and performs up to date
abstract monolith
@verbal cairn I was talking nvidia graphics cards not cpus
And dyefox I wanted to know cause some people are speculating that they may come June 2020 or so
But could never be sure that’s why I asked
verbal cairn
Oh sorry man, I think I should get some sleep lol
My bad
For GPUs it depends on what you have in your system now, if you want something good ASAP 2000 series GPUs are super nice imo
spice prawn
I have been once but that was like 15-20 years ago before they had the whole refund policy
Good thing it was only for like 10$ which was for a PSP battery <- considering that the psp was released in Q1-2005 (in the states), it certainly was not 20 years ago :)
noble sequoia
yo guys im looking to get an upgrade(processor and graphics card) becuase i got a new 144hz monitor and i have an oculus rift s any ideas for specs (i currently have ryzen 3 and 1060 3gig)
im thinking 2060 and ryzen 7
primal vale
ancient crystal
you can also get an rx 5700 instead of a 2060 and it's cheaper - unless you're a streamer or buying the top end or low end parts nvidia isn't a big deal
wicked hound
super low end you mean. 1650S and 1660S are still kinda low end and are pretty good buys
noble sequoia
alright thanks guys
ancient crystal
1660S i think is the best buy under $300 aside from going to the used market
we'll see what the 5600 is like
and how much it costs
ruby zinc
1660TI or 170TI?
elder field
170Ti sounds pretty old
But i have the 1070Ti and it lets me play all the games i do at ultra so its pretty gud
wicked hound
Pretty sure that is two different budget options. 1660S (basically 1660Ti) for $230 and 1070Ti is like what, ~$300?
Anyways the 1070Ti has better perf but a worse video encoder. So based on that choose what you will
granite juniper
1070 ti is basically a 2060 without turing features performance wise
dawn elbow
what would be a good gpu for ark survival evolved?
tender mulch
1080P? 1440P? CPU?
dawn elbow
probably 1080p
tender mulch
What CPU do you have?
ancient crystal
and your CPU
tender mulch
and what GPU do you currently have?
dawn elbow
i have rx480 gpu and amd fx 8350 eight core processor
and i am using
that gaming monitor
tender mulch
You would probably be Ok with a 1660 super but I can't stress enough that it's time to upgrade that CPU/Mobo/RAM also. That 8350 is getting really long in the tooth and may not push the 1660 Super to it's full potential
dawn elbow
i am getting my tax return so i am looking to upgrade some parts and want to find the best for a decent discount or low amount as possable i know i get what i pay for but dont have alot of money
so a better processor would be a good choice to upgrade then
tender mulch
It may not increase your FPS much, if at all but it will allow you to upgrade the GPU and see good benefits at a later date
The 8350 is roughly equivalent to an I7-3770 which isn't bad
So if yuou get a GPU, the absolute next step should be a CPU/mobo
dawn elbow
i play alot of ark survival evolved and before i had no problems running it with minimule lag and now after activating windows on my comp it lags like no other and i have issues running it now
tender mulch
Well, ARK is known to have issues with the FX series of processors anyway, it's the engine they use
dawn elbow
would you suggest intel or amd for processor
dawn elbow
ah so ark works better on intel processors?
dawn elbow
well i will probably have around 500 or 600
tender mulch
Well
dawn elbow
oh ok so just dont get the fx series
tender mulch
we might be able to do everything for that
Stand by pls
Just need Mobo/spu/ram/motherboard?
What size PSU do you have?
dawn elbow
whats psu?
dawn elbow
oh its a raidmax rx 730
tender mulch
KK,m we good
tender mulch
stand by, let's see what I can rustle up
I'll build you one
That's a pretty decent upgrade for $600
Of course, if you could find some of those parts on sale it would save a little bit too.
Shave $10 off for different RAM
dawn elbow
that motherboard was actually the one i was looking at buying lmao that is awsome i seen it on linus tech tips and figured it would not be that bad a board
tender mulch
It's a fantastic board for Ryzen
tender mulch
Oh yes
dawn elbow
ok the last comp i had was running the gtx 1050 in it so i was not sure
dawn elbow
nice so what is the difference between the memory that is on the two of those
dawn elbow
ok is rgb not a good type to get?
spice prawn
every "extra" has a cost
tender mulch
I was trying to stay under $600
spice prawn
type faster :P
dawn elbow
ok i just looked at the price and realized they were more
tender mulch
Yes, probably $20-30 or more
dawn elbow
lol that may be something i can work up to getting through my paychecks from work also
spice prawn
think about this, what is most important, performance or rainbow light?
dawn elbow
i have a case for it all to go in and what not performance is way more important
tender mulch
Priorities are straight, I like it
dawn elbow
i have a pretty sad looking comp tower right now but hopefully after i get that stuff i will be fine
tender mulch
Looks, meh. FPS, yeah!
tender mulch
Nuttin wrong with that
dawn elbow
yeah
i got that raidmax winterfall tall case for 80 bucks for pcgold here where i am at
definatly saving that page you sent and going to be getting the one with the ripjaws memory sticks and putting that together
tender mulch
Awesome!
dawn elbow
i appreciate the help bekora and naed
tender mulch
yw
dawn elbow
just need to find something to help me figure out where to plug everything in at lol that is what mainly confuses me on it lol
what about a cooler fan or water for it by chance?
tender mulch
CPU cooler comes with CPU
dawn elbow
ok that works i heard that they are not always that dependable so i was not sure
tender mulch
Ryzen stock coolers are fine unless you overclock
But not much overclocking headroom on those processors anyway
The motherboard will come with a manual that has pictures on where to plug everything in. 😉
Plus the stock cooler comes with LED lights anyway.
For a touch of bling
peak pasture
The sata cable is connected to the.. sata port. The CPU goes into the... cpu socket. The ram goes into the ... intestinal tract... wait.
I am REALLY finding it hard to avoid buying 5 2700s.
tender mulch
for an FX upgrade, they're hard to beat
dawn elbow
ok that will help alot with where things go i have absolutly no idea how to even do overclocking so wont be messing or touching that lol
tender mulch
Perfect.
Also, watch some videos from Jayz2Cents or Linus Tech Tips or another good PC Youtuber
dawn elbow
i have watched alot of linus have not seen jayz yet will have to look him up
peak pasture
OCing isnt as hard as I originally thought but, I still bought a CPU thats good enough I wont have to overclock for a long time. OCing is when you have an old CPU and need to replace it, where its not so valuable so you might as well try OC it anyway @dawn elbow
dawn elbow
oh wait i have seen his videos they are really good info also
tender mulch
There's also Gamers Nexus
spice prawn
re: cpu cooler: the ryzen ones are excellent, they punch way above their cost
peak pasture
I caught up on 5 years of missed tech news by watching every single GN + LTT video.
dawn elbow
i loved the build that jayz did for terry crews
peak pasture
Did he mess up his own? I remember watching one of Terry Crew's first streams where he and his son(?) built a PC together
fringe shell
Thoughts on the newly announced AMD Radeon RX 5600XT?
lone pond
2060 super or 5700xt?
tender mulch
Streaming or not streaming?
spice prawn
its a card. wait for 21 jan.
lone pond
Streamibg
spice prawn
embargo at the latest lifts there
lone pond
1080
tender mulch
2060 super
fringe shell
@spice prawn I mean if its solid higher end 1080p performance with current gen games, if it's a decent price for the performance they're saying it should have I may go with it.
fringe shell
True
The announcement seemed to upset alot of the pc gamers with a wallet bigger then my house. Lol 1080p is good enough for me and many others. I dont need 4k this and 4k that to enjoy my games. Just me though.
spice prawn
people are weird about things like that
tender mulch
it's because nVidia has no competition at the high end
It's needed to bring prices down
5700XT is doing Ok at the mid range but their encoder is poo for streaming
fringe shell
Makes sense.
spice prawn
sidenote: the encoder can be fixed, question of software
because the video block itself has the functionality, it is just not being used.
tender mulch
Well, it's been this way for ages so.....I wouldn't expect AMD to fix it any time soon
tender mulch
Well, nVidia's hardware encoder is physically on the GPU itself. AMD doesn't do that, it's all software. Which will always be less performance.
spice prawn
the hardware is there Bekora
tender mulch
On NAVI?
tender mulch
Some quick reading. It is being used. It just doesn't have the quality NVENC does, even at the hardware level
spice prawn
do you mind if we continue this one tomorrow?
tender mulch
NP, just putzing
spice prawn
late here, and work etc in way too few hours
spice prawn
gn
karmic solar
Best GPU for 1440p, 28.5 inch, and 144hz? Assumption of AAA games (short of the TI)
tender mulch
streaming or no
karmic solar
No
gray vapor
RX 5700 would be your best bet then
tender mulch
5700XT or 2080S.
To get to 144hz though, gonna be hard for a 5700XT with everything on Ultra
karmic solar
If I have the budget for it should I go with the 2080S
lavish lantern
Yes, there are less to no competition up there
karmic solar
Alright
gray vapor
If you want to save money and if you're not streaming you can still go for the 5700 XT
dim harness
does anyone know if the NZXT G12 aio bracket would work for the NVIDIA 2000 series?
i know it says 1080 and below but what are the differences in size between the 2000 and the 1000 series'
gray vapor
@dim harness https://www.nzxt.com/products/kraken-g12-white and click on specs
Also WWIII already passed lol
Digital wars are fast 
gray vapor
You're waiting for WWIV
mellow kiln
Is W a roman numeral? Cuz then you could have WWW
stiff zodiac
.
gray vapor
@mellow kiln You must be young to know what we're talking about
mellow kiln
@@gray vapor I was assuming you were talking about the situation in Iran, but maybe it was too much to assume that the conservation included political humor
lone pond
why is the 1650 super not very popular among mid level or entry level builders??
gray vapor
Um the 1650 Super is pretty popular right now
lone pond
i wen't to buy it on amazon yesterday and there were no reviews for most of the good branded cards
1650 vs 1650 super comes out as a 20% difference last i checked Anni
gray vapor
1650 non super was mainly an upgrade for those who had the 1050 non Ti
lone pond
ya, i have a 1050 ti so i'm getting the super version
gray vapor
no idea where you are checking those results
lone pond
gpu.userbenchmark
gray vapor
um ya don't trust that
gray vapor
helps to give a rough idea but it isn'tperfect
lone pond
ok what website would you recommend
gray vapor
For gaming look up actual gaming benchmark video's
lone pond
ok
ancient crystal
"is this a lot more powerful or a little more powerful?" is the question you can ask with UB, nothing precise
gray vapor
If you plan on buying a new GPU and you have a 1050 Ti just go for a 1660 Super
ancient crystal
well get that money and then get one
gray vapor
ok save up like 30$ more and you can get it
lone pond
and i don't get allounce
ancient crystal
but don't you get some sort of money?
lone pond
no
gray vapor
Sell your old GPU and then buy the 1660 Super
lone pond
i got this money from selling my ps4 and a gtx 950 2g armor oc plus the playstation vr
ancient crystal
well you got shafted on the money
gray vapor
wait let me get this straight you got 180$ from selling all of that?
lone pond
nah
ancient crystal
you totally did
lone pond
ps4's instore trade-ins have horrid pricing
gray vapor
PS4 with PS VR you could of easily gotten 300 for it
ancient crystal
you should've sold on craigslist or kijiji depending on your area
ancient crystal
it's not dumb
lone pond
bruh
ancient crystal
you can arrange to meet in front of a police station
gray vapor
you do know there is facebook market place right
would of been 300$ in your hand
GTX 950's alone also sell for about 70$
lone pond
ok i wasn't asking about how to buy a gpu or recommendations i was only asking why there aren't any reviews on the 1650 supers if there so popular.
gray vapor
There is plenty of reviews out there for it
lone pond
where? i looked it up and found some russian and indian reviews but not much else
gray vapor
a simple google search of 1650 super review and i got this https://i.gyazo.com/42214b202e9c54f9c9840256fc6aa523.png
lone pond
ouf
ok
didn't know to use google
ok i'll look it up
btw 10 fps for $70 is not worth it
1650S vs 1660S
gray vapor
Look at the .1% and 1% lows
gray vapor
Well for Assassin's Creed you can see the 1% lows is more than a 10 fps difference
lone pond
also i have a 2200g
ok so lets say 20 fps
so your saying 20 fps is worth $70-$80 more
gray vapor
yep cause when you start getting into more demanding games in the future the 1660 Super will still be a great card
lone pond
hmm
good point
ugh
but then i have to wait another month
before i can get my 1050 ti out of my computer
an its running hot
and having a few problems
gray vapor
1650 Super is great right now and would still be geared for people that would still play games like Destiny 2 and GTA V but if you plan on playing anything else in the future you would always want to future proof your system and besides that you're upgrading from a 1050 Ti
lone pond
ok
gray vapor
1650 Super is pretty much like a 1060 but between the 3gb and 6gb model
lone pond
btw i have a 700W gold powersupply so i got my power future proofed
gray vapor
i have a 2600 and a 1660 with a 600w PSU i have no issues what so ever
lone pond
i'm thinking about getting a 2600x during summer
or go for a 3600 but i really like my motherboard right now and don't want to upgrade
gray vapor
go for the 3000 series not a 2000 series
if you already have a 2200G then you would want to go beyond that
lone pond
i might but flashback is going to be a pain in the butt
gray vapor
You can update the bios now
lone pond
wait i can?
gray vapor
You have the CPU in your system so you can update it when you want to
lone pond
but the new bios is for 3000 not 2000
gray vapor
the new bios is to make the board compatible for 3000 series
gray vapor
it doesn't take away the ability of using older series
gray vapor
There are people here using a B450 board and a 1700X
lone pond
i have a b450m pro 4 from asrock
its micro atx
and i love it
i don't really like rgb so i'm good
btw i'm just gonna use the website i'm used to for an overall or average upgrade percentage
gray vapor
rough difference https://i.gyazo.com/9c40a8caaddd5ea3daf741679a8b5e13.png
lone pond
ya
ok
then i guess i'll do that
and maybe i could figure out a way to sell my 1050 ti aswell and have enough for a 1660S or even a 1660 ti
gray vapor
Sell it on Facebook marketplace for like 100$
and don't do those in store credit things again you end up losing money instead of gaining
Cause you made 180$ while where you sold it could be making about 500$ back
lone pond
oh man i just noticed
wherever you live
your pricing on the 1660S is way too high
mine is like $230 for an ASUS Tuf version
gray vapor
Id go for more like this https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16814487484
lone pond
Ecks thats a single fan and newegg shipping times are bad
also i hate the design
oh but a 4 pin connector is good
wait its not x16
its x8
i don't have x8
do x8 cards fit in x16 slots
lone pond
ya just noticed
gray vapor
For the best cooling it is not about the design
Like i could make the ugliest GPU ever made but it could also have the best cooling as well
topaz atlas
just got this gpu decent? cooling?
dim harness
@topaz atlas is that a one fan GPU?
buoyant basin
I just got a Zotac dual fan 1660S, I'm upgrading this evening after school.
I feel like I'm going to love it.
dawn elbow
what is a good SSD
dim harness
@dawn elbow budget?
dawn elbow
hopefully around 100 give or take i am already looking at around 600 dollars in upgrades for my comp
so just trying to see what the best suggestions would be i have two internal harddrives one is a 1TB and the other one is a 2TB
dim harness
@dawn elbow you'd want an NVME SSD you can get some pretty good 500mb or even 1tb SSD for ~100
dawn elbow
would like to get at least a 1TB one i do play ark alot and they are constantly updating there mods and stuff
not sure if that would have anything to do with it
im not to comp smart on comp components
i play alot of ark and that is a demanding game on computers from what i have read and been told
thats the motherboard i am going to be getting not sure what SSD would fit in that slot on there
gray vapor
@dawn elbow cheaper to get it on here https://www.newegg.com/msi-b450-tomahawk-max/p/N82E16813144267
tell them its bleeding
dawn elbow
@gray vapor thats the same one that i posted and the same price even sold by the same company newegg.com
gray vapor
Must have came back in stock from amazon cause when i looked the only option was for 135$
glossy cloak
1660 s is of of the best of his price range
fiery nymph
guys
should i wait for 5600 xt
or buy 1660 super
or save money and buy rx 5500 xt
fiery nymph
how much worse is 1650s then 1660s?
wicked hound
Can't remember. Probs 10% or so
median pagoda
If I am not mistaken the 1650 non s is like the 1060 3gb
So I don’t think the 1650 or s are worth it
wicked hound
1650 non s is bad. Which is why I said 1650S
1650S is 1660 level perf. Which is better than 1060 6gb/rx580 for cheaper. 1660S is a bit farther, for more money
median pagoda
I didn’t know the 1650s was that good, I need a better card, maybe I should get that
fiery nymph
Does 1650s run games like Red dead redemption 2, borderlands 3... on medium setting at least 60 fps?
ancient crystal
looks like 1080p low's your target in RDR2
low 50s on medium
goes as low as 45 so far
ancient crystal
lol 279
peak pasture
It just seems like AMD are oversaturating the mid/low tier markets even further
Perhaps they have a trick up their sleeves
ancient crystal
in all fairness the "stealing" part is just them doing well orchestrated product launches
that sort of thing is fair
lone pond
yeah, intel and nvidia stagnating and then AMD capitalizing on that with smart marketing is not stealing publicity
if intel wants better publicity, make better stuff, or at least stop sandbagging
ancient crystal
intel needs to get a new PR/ad department also
because they're pretty bad at communicating to consumers what exactly they have to offer
lone pond
i understand why they intentionally stagnated, like why play your hand out of the gate? but it's stupid AF from a consumer standpoint
ancient crystal
they rely on power users
I feel like AMD has gotten a lot of hype up around the idea that anyone can build a PC and you don't need to be rich or overly technical to do it
indirectly somewhat, because their parts get used in a lot of videos that make building PCs appear easy
i mean they have a fast octacore CPU on the market for like $140
it's last-gen but i bought one and i'm happy
lone pond
yeah, that's an interesting point
i wonder how many people got into it once they saw you could build a competitive pc for ~$800 or so with AMD parts
ones that wouldn't have been interested in PCs cuz of the fallacy of a huge price wall
ancient crystal
or also saw that they don't need the best PC in order to enjoy their PC, even with heavy gaming
a lot of the more popular games these days are very cheap to free
and don't require a powerful GPU
lone pond
yeah tfw you have a 2080ti but primarily play dota
ancient crystal
lmao
ancient crystal
i'm probably going to buy a vega 56 and flash the BIOS for an ezpz ~20% less performance than RX 5700
i might actually buy a 5700 now that they're going down in price though
people keep saying they're supposed to go up
so i'm afraid of what might come
lone pond
i told my roommate i'd get him a SSD for christmas cuz intel 660ps are dirt cheap, only to realize he has a 2500k build 
no m.2 slots, and i don't even think the BIOS supports booting from NVMe as they weren't even around then
lone pond
i just stood at his door laughing as i watched his PC boot on a hdd
i do not remember the stone ages of PCs taking 60+ sec to boot even though i lived through it
ancient crystal
tfw you remember the big MFM hard disks and it taking like 5 minutes to boot DOS
lone pond
that was before my time lol
first family pc was a pentium 166MHz with 16MB ram and a whopping 250MB hard drive
that was like $2500 in 1992-1993 money
nocturne dagger
peak pasture
Thats actually quite a nice scam, casual people buying for their children don't know what a decent card looks like beyond a fancy shroud, story can't be checked out
tender mulch
Ooohhh, new GPU drivers today
oblique idol
@tender mulch updates came out yesterday unless youre on amd'
tender mulch
Yeah, released yesterday. I got them today when I checked.
hexed forge
ill sell you a radeon 5650 instead for cheaper. only $350. may or may not be in workin order iunno. srs inquiries only, no lowball
also what is obro?
idle viper
I got that RTX 2070 🔥
dense flicker
niceee
hexed forge
see i was using one for a while and then when i upgraded i told my techie friend that the gpu he gave me was broken cause everything was going 2x speed. turns out the 5650 was just slow af loll
raven kestrel
oof
mellow kiln
I've got a (somehow still) working hd5770, complete with crossfire connectors >:O
hexed forge
neat. i think my 5650 is broke. 😦
hexed forge
i actually like the look of that card
robust swan
yo guys, anyone have any experience in buying broken gpus and fixing them
hexed forge
i wouldnt
robust swan
i saw an ad for a broken card, dude pretty much said that the card must've gotten mishandled during shipping because it doesnt work in his system
you wouldnt buy it?
its pretty cheap for what it is
hexed forge
yeah cause if the chip is blown its pretty much unfixable, and if pins are lose and you don't know how to solder its not easy to do on pcb
robust swan
hes asking 99 dollars for it
and its an rtx 2080
so at worst i wasted 100 dollars on a fancy paperweight
hexed forge
yeh id buy it for 20 maybe but not 100 without knowing what part is messed up and why
robust swan
good point
but your saying if the chip is done for then theres nothing that i can do at all
like thats it
F in chat
hexed forge
im pretty sure yeah. unless you can find a new chip for a low price and know how to solder on pcb and are willing to do the process but again, ive not done anything with gpus besides install em so iunno
its not worth tho
robust swan
hmm
the post itself seemed kind of sketch
like he said the warranty wasnt good but he also claimed that it was treated bad in shipping
so like if it was doa then wouldnt u be able to rma it
hexed forge
you might have better luck hearing from a techie but im pretty sure its not worth it at all to buy a broken gpu without knowing the issue, especially if its 100 bucks
yeah you would
robust swan
then again its gigabyte and i hear they suck
he also mentioned that the fan and heatsink will fit the same model
idk why he would mention that
i emailed him and asked some questions
if i can get it for around 50-80 bucks then ill prob get it
because in all honesty i want to tinker and stuff lol
hexed forge
tell him to give you the card to fix, if you can fix, you give him 80 bucks. if you cant, you give him back the card more mangled than before lol
robust swan
lmao
hexed forge
no i get it but for 100 bucks its not worth at all
hexed forge
cause 100 bucks isnt worth the very likely paperweight
robust swan
itll be there to remind me of my sins
tender mulch
Unless you can diagnose and repair surface mount components, fixing a dead gpu is unlikely to happen
robust swan
you mean with like a voltage meter?
tender mulch
Kinda
Unless something is obviously broken like a capacitor or a coil or something, you'd need a scope and a board diagram to fix it
hard wren
overheating is fixable by anyone but a gpu that wont post is a lot of trouble
robust swan
i see
do you think there is anyway that i can contact gigabyte and ask them if they can repair it for me
like if i pay them
or is that not a thing lol
tender mulch
They don't repair cards, they replace them. Most manufacturers, anyway. That's why they just send you a new one
I mean, if it's still under warranty maybe?
robust swan
well it came out last year
hard wren
yeah i mean rma-ing it is an option if you can register it
robust swan
thats why im confused why the dude is saying the warranty is no good
im thinking maybe he tried to overclock and he fried it or whatever
tender mulch
Well, if the warranty is no good, possible liquid damage or OC damage
hard wren
did he unscrew the screw with the sticker?
tender mulch
Or flashed BIOS that went bad
The Screw stickers are not enforceable in the US, for the record
hard wren
OC damage is hard to prove
tender mulch
No9 Warranty Void sticker is enforceable
robust swan
the post was very vague
all he said was that it doesnt power on and it doesnt work in his system
"System does not power on with this graphics card. The card has no power."
tender mulch
Yeah, it's cooked
hexed forge
cuz if it was cooling issue itd turn on and over heat
robust swan
got it
tender mulch
If it was fixable dood would have fixed it
hexed forge
if he says its new, but also says he cant rma, thats fishy
robust swan
yea
thats what bothers me
like ur saying the warranty isnt good
but hes also saying that it wasnt handled properly in shipping
tender mulch
I used to repair electronics for a living and I even I can't fix a dead GPU
hexed forge
that would warrant rma
tender mulch
There's a phrase
tender mulch
If it sounds too good to be true, it is
hexed forge
i mean that doesnt even sound good tho
100 bucks for a broken card
its pcb and plastic at that point lol
robust swan
if i can get him to lower the price down to something reasonable then i might just buy it anyways and try
but yea
i appreciate all the info guys 😄
gilded ibex
Mama vi da eba debela
peak pasture
Thats beautiful Engrish
verbal cairn
is it a language ?
grand tinsel
Witch one should i get 1660 ti that is used or 1660 s new
wicked hound
So long as the 1660Ti is cheaper then $230 then get it. If not then 1660S
Tbh should be $170 - $200 asking price for a used 1660Ti
Should be closer to $170 but that won't happen cuz used market sucks now
hexed forge
do you guys think that new cards will be announced at ces this year?
peak pasture
Havent seen anything from Nvidia yet
ancient crystal
i want to see Big Navi from AMD
their probably $500 card that competes with maybe 2070S
tender mulch
Yes
ancient crystal
so Big Navi will probably be more than $500
because AMD could get away with it
but pricing it at $500 would be a good move
because there are some 2060S that are $500
and you're dealing with so much more power
hexed forge
im just hoping to see a price drop soon lol
peak pasture
I dont think they will go up much, or if they do its because of either the GDDR6 scare causing too much reaction from consumers buying quick, or Nvidia will probably use it as an excuse to raise prices further than they need to for more profit
ancient crystal
yes, but either way it's gonna be bad for the consumer
hexed forge
what do you mean gddr6 is going up/
magic pebble
There is a preplanned memory shortage coming. Ssd and gpu prices are expected to go up.
But seriously, everyone is swapping from gddr5 to gddr6 and production isnt expected to increase so they are forecasting around a 5% increase in gddr6 prices which will be a few dollars per gpu. But Nvidia and amd may increase gpu cost more if they cant get enough ram to keep up with demand.
And samsung had another issue at their plants and lost a lot of nand so the are projecting price increases around 40% for nand
hexed forge
will that be rectified by april? idk how long these shortages last
peak pasture
Honestly I was expecting fast price hikes based on the early announcements
magic pebble
depends on how the market goes. if prices increase and sales dont drop too much they might keep the prices higher longer to make up for lost earnings or just to increase profits.
peak pasture
I would expect some increases by April to be fair, but itll be mainly the last 6 months of the year it'll crunch I feel
Nobody really knows I guess. But from what I took from the news is that things arent low, just are going to be low.
magic pebble
these kinds of things are hard to guess at. I don't think anyone expected the last ram price increase to go as high as it did or last as long as it did, but no one could have seen the mining boom coming which just added to the ram shortage and caused the gpu shortage. now is the best I have seen price wise in several years for buying parts.
peak pasture
Im still salty about memory prices in the UK but yeah. I want to say this is a good time to get into building PCs but, I spent 2.5x as much as my PC 5 years ago on my new one.
magic pebble
I spent twice as much on 8gb of ram 2 years ago as you can get 16gb for now.
peak pasture
Luckily I skipped out on DDR4 until this year
It wasn't exactly mainstream when I got my last PC but if I waited 6 more months and got a newer everything I reckon Id have gotten at least another year out of it
alpine wave
How does one take out those cheap pci cover that snap off
peak pasture
You mean the slots at the back for the IO on the GPU?
They should have a screw holding them in, sometimes outside but mostly inside the case
alpine wave
Some cases have cheap one where you snap them of and they can't be replaced
I was wondering about those
peak pasture
I havent had one of those cases, and Ive had a decent few under 50
I don't think Ive even seen those in videos. Thats like a myth to me
spice prawn
@alpine wave just bend them side to side. IF there is a vertical slit in them, use a flathead screwdriver as leverage for bending
that type of cover is normal for oem cases
alpine wave
Speaking of gpus, how do I activate rtx for games, is it just in the setting of the compatible games
spice prawn
yes
lone pond
Alot of games dont even have rtx in them
And if it does it just drops your frames for a few god rays and reflections
wicked hound
Also note you generally need a 2070S or better for decent FPS in RTX
by decent I mean like 60fps or smth
obtuse pier
modern warfare crashes when i turn rtx on
tender mulch
Oof. Latest drivers?
tender mulch
Probably is
peak pasture
CPU or GPU OC?
tender mulch
Stock clock it and test again
peak pasture
Doesn't look that significant of an OC
obtuse pier
it isnt its the msi gaming x im gonna try gimmie a sec
cpu was at 4.05 with xfr enabled but i changed it back to auto
no crash so far hmmmm '
lavish lantern
ill sell a radeon 8400GS instead for cheaper. only $35. Srs inquiries only, no lowball
👏👏
raven kestrel
would you guys say a 2070 super or a radeon 5700xt
peak pasture
5700XT if not streaming, 2070 if you do plan on it
tender mulch
@lavish lantern sales aren't allowed here.....
raven kestrel
ok so 2070s for gaming and a 5700xt for streaming
peak pasture
Other way.
tender mulch
Ya
peak pasture
To be fair 2070S squeezes a few more frames around the board but compared to the 5700XT its just not a great deal. If you stream though, its a great deal, because the tax on your CPU if you dont have NVenc on your GPU (Nvidia's codec) is insane.
raven kestrel
i could put that money to something else
tender mulch
nVidia for streaming, AMD for gaming
peak pasture
Who was it that was saying earlier AMD did have physical segments on their GPUs for their encoder but werent fully utlised yet? Hei?
raven kestrel
well i dont stream soo
peak pasture
I wonder if I even needed an Nvidia GPU with a 3950x to stream with to be fair
tender mulch
I think Naed mentioned the hardware part, I've always said their encoder is poop
Probably not, TBH
peak pasture
I have him on block.
Probably could have gotten away with a 5700XT because I dont game hard
But the 2080S is the only one that seems to clutch 1080p at 140fps approx on most of the games I play
raven kestrel
ok im now confused im getting mixed signals
tender mulch
On.......
peak pasture
Get a 5700 XT if you dont stream.
raven kestrel
ok
peak pasture
You have no reason to go for a 2070S unless you want to pay a pretty high premium for a few more frames.
raven kestrel
ight got it thanks guys
peak pasture
To be fair I did go for CL18 ram instead of CL16.
tender mulch
You won't notice the difference
raven kestrel
now what do i want to put the little bit of money saved too
peak pasture
Well technically its CL17 which would be treated as 18, which I may be able to OC to 16.
@raven kestrel You dont HAVE to spend money you save on parts on improving others. You simply can get away with having money as well as a decent rig.
tender mulch
Sabrent Rocket 1 TB
peak pasture
I guess the easy way if you did want to spend it as storage, like get a 1tb 2000MB/s (minimum) m.2
tender mulch
fast speed, $120
raven kestrel
yeah
peak pasture
Im still a bit edgy on what M.2 Im about to order
The SN550 is on sale for 20 less, and its 2k speeds instead of 3k.
2400 read 1950 write, just realised it says right infront of me.
raven kestrel
ight
peak pasture
I don't think Id notice the difference at the same time as 20 more isnt exactly a lot.
My original plan was 1tb sabrent rocket (TLC) though.
inland cave
what is the point of radeon releasing the 5600 and 5600xt?
raven kestrel
better budget cards
idk
or should i say more budget cards maybe there competing with like 1070 1080
peak pasture
Flooding the market. Rather than releasing a top card and being a good option at any budget, this way on both low and medium budgets they ARE the option
inland cave
i guess, but the 5500 is WORSE than the rx590
peak pasture
Still doesn't combat a lack of good encoder but, perhaps they will release one as they technically have the potential to.
inland cave
the 5500 xt is also worse than the rx 590
lost sorrel
bruh my pc is 100% bottlenecking with a gtx 960 and a ryzen 5 3600 lol
gray vapor
get a 1650 Super then
lost sorrel
hah I work at maccas I'm gonna need to save , got the gpu foor free
peak pasture
1650S isn't that big of an improvement over a 960, would do 1660S to at least notice something. I was looking at both to replace mine before I decided it was worth a bit extra for a lot better.
lone pond
^
torpid garden
I'd sell the 960, pick up some kind of 1660/s/ti -or any card from there to whatever your taste requires
peak pasture
GTX960 sells for like 30-50 used
Although to be fair, my 960 was 4gb not 2gb, and most of my bottlenecking on it comes from games on higher details requiring more than 4gb. On settings requiring less, I get far beyond the FPS I require
I cant imagine how a 2GB fairs.
unborn sedge
So my new 1660 Super SC arrived a few days ago. It's a two fan model.
I just tried it out yesterday afternoon and noticed it is quite loud, compared to my old 1060, which also has two fans.
peak pasture
What cooling shroud is on it? Brand wise?
unborn sedge
EVGA
peak pasture
Shouldn't be too bad then.
Check your fan curve in MSI afterburner
You can always make it only ramp up at higher temps as long as its within reason, if its currently kicking in full blast at quite a low temp
mighty island
so my GPU score is way higher than my CPU score, should that be concerning?
visual gale
mighty island
ok thanks
ember imp
Do y’all think 95 degrees is too hot for a gpu or is it fine