graphics-cards

[spark rapids]

took me 5 really long hours xd

could be much faster but didn't want to break stuff so took my time

anyways since i changed both of my cpu and gpu is there a way to clean the old drivers?

[craggy condor]

all good, better slow and working than fast and broken lol

[craggy condor]

yep, DDU. guru3d and i think techpowerup too should have copies available

just boot into safe mode, and select the GPU drivers you want to clear

idk of any easy way to remove chipset drivers and so on though. for that i just fresh windows install

but if you're swapping CPUs on the same board you don't need to do any of that, the existing chipset drivers are good

[spark rapids]

i reinstalled windows not long ago so i'd prefer the 1st one hahaha

i changed the mobo too

my old one wasn't supporting that cpu

[craggy condor]

gotcha gotcha

tbh it probably won't cause any issues, i'd just clear the GPU ones and call it a day

this is what i did with my last platform swap anyway bc i was lazy lol

[spark rapids]

no no i want it for clearing space lol

i really hate clean installing windows then 1 month later it's full again

it's always because of little stuff adding up over time

[craggy condor]

ahhh i mean the chipset drivers are pretty tiny i wouldn't sweat it much

[spark rapids]

ok then

just the gpu drivers

[solemn panther]

[torpid garden]

Yep

[quartz gull]

I just realized the 5060Ti 8GB desktop and 5070 Mobile literally are the exact same GPU Chip

The exact same there is literally no differences besides TGP between them

It's insane that they can't even call it a 5070 when it's just the 5060TI pulling 65 watts less power

[random walrus]

Mobile chips have always been significantly less powerful than the desktops chips

[solemn panther]

What should be done then?

[quartz gull]

Yeah but I didn't realize it was literally the exact same chip that's actually kinda insane to me

[velvet grail]

idk, the version has always been the same since I don't update it. still, 303w is odd

I have also been getting adrenalin and fan control software errors at startup, tho that has happened since the beginning iirc

I don't recall moving the gpu bios switch, but I might give it a try

[craggy condor]

look at 4060 ti and 4070

[olive bobcat]

I’d honestly ask the AMD discord.

[craggy condor]

🫃 🫃 🫃

need to do an Arc spread before i sell the Acer

[sacred crow]

If I am upgrading from a nvidia to another nvidia GPU do I need to DDU?

[rustic pulsar]

only if u run into problems

[spare relic]

https://tenor.com/view/broke-no-money-johnny-bravo-gif-13167020

[velvet grail]

for a 3070ti FE is low 80s temps bad under full load with default curve (maxes out at 70% fan), otherwise 76C+ with fans blasted

memory also up to 80 and hotspot 90

should I repaste?

that with 26C ambient temp

[craggy condor]

tbh sounds like fe things. idk if the ga104 fes are supposed to be cooler than the 102's, but that sounds like my 3090 fe tbh

[velvet grail]

I looked up ltt review of this card and they got 78C max w 21C ambient, which is about the same temp delta for my card

[craggy condor]

just fe things then

fe coolers get gassed up so much but they're completely mediocre bar the 5090 FE

and even then it's not that groundbreaking. "woah, a small cooler can cool a high power draw card but not that well"

i am supposed to be impressed by this? it is impressive in the sense that they used high quality components to make up for shrinking the cooler, but it's not anything close to black magic lol

[modest shuttle]

Oh boy

[naive flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stare-catstare-cat-stare-sus-catglare-cat-glare-gif-14942558849944709546

here phishy phishy....

[solemn panther]

No way!

[naive flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-iouvels-side-eye-awks-are-you-fr-gif-24422806

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-cat-side-eye-cat-side-eye-orange-cat-staring-gif-4749659952322810298

[solemn panther]

Msrp!

[naive flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/sus-cat-cat-stare-stare-bruh-cat-really-n-gif-25597234

smells like phish to me....

[modest shuttle]

It's real, I signed up ages ago.

[naive flicker]

oh

get one

[modest shuttle]

I don't need one, so not sure that's a good use of money

[naive flicker]

oh

what gpu u running?

[modest shuttle]

5070 ti

[naive flicker]

not bad

[modest shuttle]

havent gamed in ~6 months, dont expect to anytime soon, really not sure it's necessary

[naive flicker]

nice

[modest shuttle]

What do they sell for these days second-hand?

[naive flicker]

5090s?

or 70 ti

[modest shuttle]

90

[naive flicker]

Lemme look

If you can find one not scalped, I'd say 2500

[modest shuttle]

Hmm ok, will just stick with mine

[craggy condor]

newegg is selling one for $2100

[quartz gull]

Nvidia sent me an email to buy a 5090 FE

I was going to wait for 6090

But I guess I am getting a 5090 FE I couldn't resist

2 slot card will be kinda cool

[half locust]

which one is this?

a770?

[craggy condor]

yes

[half locust]

reminds me of the sapphire nitro just having an rgb bar lmao

[spare relic]

ermmm should I update my uhd770 drivers

[craggy condor]

i don't see why you'd bother unless you use it for quicksync or smth

[olive bobcat]

Mfw

[sacred crow]

There has been a small supply of non-fe 5090s at MSRP recently. Probably not supply getting better, but rather demand slowing down.

[half locust]

Whar

[olive bobcat]

I have RGB line

[half locust]

ok

[half locust]

Acer nitro?

[craggy condor]

yes

[half locust]

Their cards look cool but 2 fan and more expensive than the asrock or sparkle

[craggy condor]

the acer was rhe cheapest option available when i was purchasing, but unfortunately it uses an undocumented voltage controller for vcore, so it's effectively useless for what i want to do with it

i was impressed by how well the cooler works considering how small it is

but it's still a very small cooler which is sightly unfortunate

[clever panther]

any recommendations for a gpu up to 1000eur? paired with a ryzen 7 7800x3d, would be used mostly for competitive games

[quartz gull]

Nvidia has been sending emails out to everyone in queue for a fe 5090 to buy one

[craggy condor]

probably 9070 xt or 5070 ti. the former only if it is notably less expensive than the latter

[sacred crow]

Have they now? I signed up for that, but have not see anything. Saw a TUF 5090 in-stock and nabbed one.

[quartz gull]

Everyone I know that signed up on announcement day has gotten an email now

They sent out a huge batch of emails

I got my FE this morning

It's so much smaller than my trinity OC 4090

Like it's smaller than my FTW 3080 12GB was

It's insane how tiny it is

[craggy condor]

i got voltage control working on my a770 but it's so jank

just saw a random spike to 1.4v at idle which is uh- not great. and locked to supposedly 1.15v spits out like 1.3v under load

which obviously i did not run for more than a moment

absolutely cursed

oh wait wrong channel blehhh

[onyx zinc]

There are a lot of reasons people aren’t happy with this gen and price to performance (mostly the 5080) but boy that SFF friendly size is so nice

[quartz gull]

It's so small I was able to use my x4 PCIE slot for my capture card

Was super nice

I've been using x2 and halving the capture frame rate to 30

[cloud wren]

yo i bought a 3080 for pretty cheap online, been having some issues with it though, it likes to overheat a lot and turns off decently regular, i am only using the fans that my case came with to be fair and my fan curve wasnt set perfectly so im testing a new set up now, give me some tips if i find this doesnt help

[cerulean rover]

If it's an used card, you may want to repaste it and/or replace the thermal pads

You can also go follow some undervolting guides

There's also just cleaning it if it's dusty

[cloud wren]

its used, its not very dusty at all but i didnt even think about repasting, how hard is it to do that?

i tried to clean what i can on it but didnt do anything further

[cerulean rover]

It takes a good amount of time and takes some paste

As long as you can remember where the screws go, it's not particularly difficult

[cloud wren]

ok ill look into it fs

[cerulean rover]

There are also usually guides online for each model

[tight sable]

Is anyone home

[olive bobcat]

Yes

[tight sable]

I'm having issues LMFAO

I upgraded to a 5070 and think my 12vhpwr cable might be trying to mely

melt also

But I also have a brand new issue where if I have a game on my secondary nvme drive it literally just can't load

it's insane

issue was not present with the 3070ti

idk man it's all deep fried

insane issues that make literally no sense

[olive bobcat]

Okay
Alright

Can you monitor the temps? At all?

Within the cable area or gpu in general?

[tight sable]

gpu in general yeah

I've been reaching out and touching the connector every 15 minutes or so

and I ran furmark for max load for about 15 minute

and the little mark didn't get bigger or anything

[craggy condor]

what model 3080 is it?

[cloud wren]

msi ventus 10gb

[craggy condor]

should be pretty easy then, those cards are pretty simply assembled

just a bunch of screws, should be mostly of the same length, barring the four obviously different ones that secure the core to the coldplate

if your memory temps are okay you don't even need to worry about removing the backplate, which saves you like half of the disassembly/reassembly time. if your memory temps suck then order gelid extreme pads in the correct size and repad the front facing mem and behind the memory modules at the backplate

[cloud wren]

i didnt look at memory temps, ill do that tn

[cloud wren]

@craggy condor i dont think its the temps tbh but idk, it keeps crashing when my gpu is only around 60 fps

i think i just was sold a faulty card

[craggy condor]

as in your initial belief that the issue was only happening when your card was overheating is false? it happens regardless of temps?

[cloud wren]

i believe so

i cant be sure tho

now its really doing some weird shit. it just turned off for about 5-10 seconds, turn back on after rhe fans ran at a higher speed for a bit and then turned off finally

[craggy condor]

i take it you've already tried DDU?

[cloud wren]

idk what that is tbh

[craggy condor]

display driver uninstaller, it fully cleans and removes your driver, unlike the 'clean' install options on amd/nvidia/intel gpus. it is always worth a try as a first or second step for basic troubleshooting

[cloud wren]

ok ill download it later tn

[craggy condor]

make sure to run it in safe mode

[cloud wren]

gonna have to research how to get into safe mode but ight

[craggy condor]

hold shift while restarting windows then select toubleshooting

[dull marlin]

i have an older pc and i want to upgrade my video card but don't know if my 650w power supply is enuf. PC: Yeyian Yari Gaming Desktop PC, Intel Core i7-12700F, Nvidia RTX 4060Ti, 16GB DDR5 4800, 1TB NVMe SSD, Windows 11 Home 64-bit, YPI-YA27F0B-46T1N Video Card: ASUS PRIME GeForce RTX 5060 Ti 16GB 128-Bit GDDR7 PCI Express 5.0 x8 DLSS 4.0 Graphics Card PRIME-RTX5060TI-16G i think i could maybe change a power supply but i don't know how to check if it would need one.

[cerulean rover]

Take off the side panel and just look inside for what the PSU is

Also, just 16gb of ddr5 4800 sounds like either only a single stick or 2 'half' rank sticks, which would have an impact on performance

[craggy condor]

technically banks not ranks but yah

[craggy condor]

psu is fine unless its a terrible unit in which case you should replace it no matter what you're using. check on the ram tho like mr1111 said\

DDR5 8GB sticks are inherently slow

also why upgrade from 4060 ti to 5060 ti? it's like 10% faster

[cerulean rover]

Ye, they're single rank, but it's more helpful to think of them as 'half' and having performance loss like having 2 sticks of single rank versus 2 sticks of dual rank ddr4 sticks

[craggy condor]

oh wait we're referring to different things then

[cerulean rover]

I'm referring to ranks more for the performance loss you could see on ddr4

Not it being actually half a rank

[craggy condor]

moar ranks means slightly better performance at same settings, but not super meaningful overall. 8GB DDR5 sticks have half the number of bank groups which incurs a performance penalty relative to 16GB+ sticks

losing half ur banks hurts performance quite a lot, single vs dual rank is basically margin of error

[cerulean rover]

On ddr4, it could be close to 15% from testing iirc between 2 single rank sticks and 2 dual rank sticks, it was something that was measurable, and there wasn't anything with half the banks on desktop ddr4, although it did show up sometimes on sodimms

Anyways also 4800 is very slow in general too

[craggy condor]

this is definitely not true unless you are referring to some insane edge case. the difference is at best low single digit bvandwidth increase vs equally clocked and latent modules with more ranks. DDR5 isn't produced in densities below 16Gb, which means 8GB sticks can only use 4x x16 modules (four 16 bit wide ICs), and per jedec spec x16 modules, because they are double the width of an x8 module and have the same number of banks individually, means that you have half the number of ICs in total, and half the number of bank groups in total. this is a screenshot from SK Hynix's M die technical doc that graphs the relationship between capacity, chip width, ranks, and banks

charts* not graphs. whateva

[cerulean rover]

Been a while, average of 8%, higher in specific cases
https://youtu.be/-UkGu6A-6sQ

Also, I'm not disbuting that it's half the bank groups, it is, but the performance difference there didn't really exist on ddr4 since there weren't any sticks for desktop ddr4 that used half the bank groups

It was only some sodimms

[craggy condor]

the difference might be different with XMP overhead then, tuned i've never seen an instance of more than low single digits by swapping to dual rank sticks or adding more sticks

[cerulean rover]

They promised more research but a second video never came lol

[craggy condor]

which is a fair distinction to make. i'll test this myself on my 5800x if i have time later

iirc i'm running quad rank on that rn lmao so it would be quad vs dual rank

[cerulean rover]

I think there was also some charts from kingfaris that showed something similar? But it's been a while, could've been someone else

[cerulean rover]

Afaik it's just single vs dual rank that can make a difference, don't think it'll show up with quad vs dual, esp since quad would probably be at a disadvantage from strain on imc

But worth testing

[craggy condor]

it is important to note though that 16GB DDR5 sticks are also single rank like 8GB ones

[cerulean rover]

Ye

Afaik it doesn't show up on ddr5

Only ddr4

[craggy condor]

IMC strain doesn't affect performance with manually set settings, it would only be a factor if your CPU is autotraining timings due to un-set timings with the XMP profile/default training behavior programmed into the board

[cerulean rover]

I'll have to check sources later but my rough memory is I think hwunboxed tested it on ddr5 launch for single vs dual rank ddr5

[cerulean rover]

True, but again most people run at auto lol

Also, stuff like recoverable whea errors

[craggy condor]

ik, but i'm arguing inherent technical differences. like if somebody turns off intel turbo boost and it makes their CPU slow as dirt that's not an inherent difference to the CPU

i submit that XMP there might be a meaningful difference by adding extra ranks. tuned tho it's negligible

[cerulean rover]

I'm just saying I can't trust that the result will be impartial if it might be on the edge of stability and the extra strain makes it slightly unstable

[craggy condor]

yeah if that's the case then you might lose bandwidth but that's not inherently the case, that requires a bad tune

whereas 8GB DDR5 sticks are inherently slow due to lack of banks

[cerulean rover]

But tbh I'm not sure what made the single rank and dual rank per channel performance difference happen on ddr4 anyways

[craggy condor]

you can interleave between ranks if your IMC is smort, and the Zen 2/3 IMC was fairly well designed

the big benefit iirc is that while one rank is running a precharge command across a bank group the IMC can execute a read/write on the other rank

but that gets into minutia i haven't touched in years now, so my memory is foggy (pun intended)

[cerulean rover]

Either way, I find numbers more useful than reason, I find the % difference from ddr4 testing between single and dual ranks useful for thinking about performance loss on 8gb sticks with half the bank groups

[craggy condor]

it's a similar fundamental problem yeah. bank groups are just one level lower in the memory hierarchy

[cerulean rover]

Tbf it's probably better if I remember the numbers from when buildzoid went into laptop ddr4 sodimms with half the bank groups but I don't remember the number differences from that

[craggy condor]

both are similar in that you can interleave between banks and ranks, just in different ways\

[cerulean rover]

I just use the number that I actually roughly remember where I have a source

[cloud wren]

how do i install DDU? im assuming i have to do it before going into safe mode but i cant find a place to download it without having to give card info which i obviously wont do

[craggy condor]

https://www.guru3d.com/download/display-driver-uninstaller-download/

guru3d and TPU both have it up

[cloud wren]

guru told me i had to use my card info to download it

[cloud wren]

i cant find a site to download it like at all

also rq

[craggy condor]

dude you just click the link and it redirects you and autodownloads

you don't input your card homie, there isn't even a prompt to do so

[cloud wren]

sometimes when i set my phone down, like pretty hard maybe and it shakes my desk a little, it will turn off my gpu, could that indicate like a wiring issue maybe like it disconnects the wires barely and turns off?

[cloud wren]

hold on ill retry it but last time it tried ti make me use my card

[craggy condor]

could be seated poorly, could be a loose power connector. could be a broken bga connection

[solid glacier]

Idk where i would ask this but i have cyber security classes starting next week and i have to buy a laptop for the classes cant be chromebook or macbook. i got a newegg giftcard for 877$ any recommendations

[spare relic]

Chromebook or MacBook with Linux installed

[solid glacier]

cant use chromebook or macbook lol

[random walrus]

r/laptopdeals

[tight sable]

Fellas am I a stupid idiot for wondering if my bios from 2022 could be causing conflicts with my 5070

[cerulean rover]

What Mobo? The only thing is old EVGA boards with some weird setup on the pcie slots that needs a fix

Or if you need rebar support

[tight sable]

Msi x570 gaming edge

It does have rebar but I turned it in and lost 40 fps

My bios is literally from when they introduced the 5800x3d

I’m just having a lot of weird issues I didn’t have with the 3070ti I replaced

Like I literally got a pop up notification telling me the card was unsupported during a driver update

@cerulean rover

Behold

[cerulean rover]

DDU and then reinstall the drivers

Probably the usual bug with the Nvidia app, doubt it's a hardware issue

[cerulean rover]

Nvidia drivers this generation has had a lot of issues, lots of bugs crashing, freezing, and being broken in general, unlike previous generations

More reasonable to blame the drivers rn

[tight sable]

Did I blunder by getting a 5070

Should I have just gotten a 4070ti or something

[olive bobcat]

9070xt is a good choice

[tight sable]

Isn't it on par with the 5060ti?

My framerate literally doubled after updating bios

[craggy condor]

depends on what you paid. at msrp and certainly above msrp i'd prefer 9070/xt, but it's not like 5070 is a slow card or anything

if it works for you and works well, you didn't blunder. the mere fact that you maybe could have purchased something slightly better doesn't make your current thing any worse

[vital oriole]

9070xt is a 5070ti competitor

but a 5070 in itself isn't a bad card

[craggy condor]

at current prices it's not that much more expensive than 5070. but then, 5070 ti isn't that much more expensive than 9070 xt. realistically if somebody is going for 5070, 9070 non XT is the better option over continuing to go up and up the tiers because each card is $50 apart 😅

[vital oriole]

yeah

[hot bough]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/W1GxI0v4TMw

[tight sable]

I paid $530 for it

[craggy condor]

$70 more gets you a 9070. that would be my preference. but as i said, the mere fact that something else exists doesn't make your product worse. it will perform like a 5070 either way 🤷‍♂️

[tight sable]

I also did just get $126 off of it though because I complained LMFAO

idk I'm just mad about it lol

I shouldn't have less performance out of a 5070 than a 3070ti kinda thing

It's working properly now but I had to put in waaaaay too much legwork to get it there

[craggy condor]

oh i mean $410 5070 is hype lol. that's probably what it should have been to begin with haha

[tight sable]

Girl math says I got it for $160 if I include the $250 I got for my 3070ti

LOL

[craggy condor]

that's a fair way to measure it, i just count jt as the cost to upgrad vs the cost of the part itself. 'is $160 worth 50% more vram and 50% more performance'

i'd say that's a fair price haha

[tight sable]

Yeah lmfao

[vital oriole]

that perspective is a good one

[tight sable]

I

Oops

Is there any reason a vbios update would be needed for a gpu really

I've not ever danced in that field because I haven't ever needed to

[vital oriole]

if it ain't broke

don't update it

basically the sentiment with vbios

unless there is a critical security concern

or genuine vbios defect

one never needs to update their gpu's vbios

[tight sable]

That's what I thought

ty

[torn garden]

Money was tighter when I got my 9070xt but I can afford a 5090 more easily now

Question is should I get a 5090 now or just wait it out till next gen for a 6090

[olive bobcat]

Just get a 4090. Cheaper and nothing around needs more than 24GB of vram

It’s also less likely to kill your cables and stuff.

And it consumes less power
And it’s only like 25~% uplift for 2x the price

Or just get a 7900XTX if you need that much vram
It’s slightly worse than a 4090, but with same vram, and $1200 less

[torn garden]

I don't need VRAM though I would just like to have more RT performance and performance in general than what my 9070xt is giving rn (which is not bad by any means) I just crave more

[olive bobcat]

https://www.bestbuy.com/product/pny-geforce-rtx-5080-16gb-oc-gddr7-pci-express-5-0-graphics-card-with-triple-fan-black/JXF2C46ZZH

[craggy condor]

5080 is barely faster than 9070 xt

its a decent uplift in rt ig, but raster is not really that meaningful

[cold fox]

just oc the 9070xt

[craggy condor]

real

[tight sable]

Is a 5070 bottlenecked by a 5900x for gaming

gotta be right?

[vital oriole]

as long as you don't notice any performance issues

i'd say it's fine

[tight sable]

I do have some violent 1% lows

I did however get this banger screenshot from doom dark ages

Where every single gpu number is red

(Picture not screenshot)

[vital oriole]

okay, that can be the cpu

or vulkan shader cache

[craggy condor]

depends on game and resolution

really i'd only expect significant issues in heavily multithreaded games where the scheduler gets freaky and starts hitting inter-CCD latency penalties bc you only have 6 core CCDs

assuming 1440p reasonably heavy settings ig

[tight sable]

I’d want to play on decently heavy settings for sure since I dropped $570 on a gpu lol. I just worry because the cpu is 4 generations old now and I’m extremely underwhelmed by the 5070s performance coming from a 3070ti

So I don’t know if that’s just my life now or if I’m suffering a like 10-15% bottleneck on the card

[craggy condor]

if you're pegging your GPU then that will be the bottleneck more often than not. i wouldn't sweat it much. sure a zen 4 or really any x3D would get you better lows, but zen 3 isn't half bad either

i have a 5800x for my secondary system and it's definitely noticeably weaker than my 7800x3D, even on more lower-midrange hardware, but it's not something that ever takes me out of the experience if that makes sense

more of an "oh this feels slower/faster" and then after five minutes i'm locked in

[craggy condor]

should be about 45% faster optimally. more if the 3070 ti is getting bludgeoned by lack of vram

[tight sable]

realistically it's been about 25% faster

It's been very disappointing

this cpu has been through the ringer though so it very well could just be it's end of life

i've abused this thing with OCs so many times

[craggy condor]

are you seeing less than 100% GPU usage in the games you play?

if so it could be a CPU bottleneck. otherwise i lean towards some other system configuration issue, or just poor scaling in those particular games

[tight sable]

I'm seeing a lot of varying numbers naturally depending on the title

I'm seeing usually 85-90% but I've seen 100 flat out and I've also seen as low as 75

[craggy condor]

in the more 'demanding' games you'd hope to see it mostly pegged at 100% with occasional dips

for lighter games lower is expected

[random walrus]

gpu usage % doesnt tell the whole story anyways, I wouldn't woprry too much about it

Try and find a game or overlay that will display both cpu and gpu fps

[onyx zinc]

The 5900X is a great match for the RTX 5070 at 1440p. In most modern games, especially AAA titles, there’s no real CPU induced bottleneck — performance is smooth and the GPU does most of the heavy lifting. You might see a small drop (maybe 5–10%) in super high FPS games like CS2 or Fortnite if you’re aiming for 200+ FPS, but for the majority of people, it’s not something you’d notice. Unless you’re chasing max frames in competitive titles, there’s no need to upgrade.

I wouldn’t worry about your 1% lows as much as long as the game feels and looks good.

[tight sable]

That's the bigger issue honestly is that it's not smooth

the 1% lows are pretty horrible

[craggy condor]

what is your ram situation?

one thing i will say is that AM5 CPUs and especially the x3D ones have craaaaazy good lows

[craggy condor]

this is how i would sum it up to reiterate

tou WILL notice a difference, and it will be rather nice. but don't feel bad if you don't have the cash on hand

[tight sable]

32gb ddr4 @ 4000mhz stable

[craggy condor]

that's probably your problem then, your ram is desynced from your FCLK

drop it down to 3600mb/s, and proportionally lower the timings XMP sets if you feel like it. you should see notably better lows and maybe even a small but measurable improvement to your average

[tight sable]

I have actually no idea how to underclock ram effectively

[craggy condor]

you just set the multiplier in your bios. you can also drop the XMP timings proportionally to the reduced bandwidth to keep latency the same, which i would recommend. but you will still have much better latency overall with worse dram latency but synced to FCLK if that makes any sense at all

more latency in executing commands but less latency in getting data from point a to point b

which is all that matters at the end of the day

i've got to get to sleep i have to be up hella early for work, but i can help you tomorrow if you can't figure it out

[tight sable]

Yeah for sure. I have no idea what dropping it proportionally means though

It’s rated for 18-22-22-42

16-20-20-40?

[craggy condor]

4000->3600 = 10% bw drop. so drop each timing by ~10% as well (ie cl20 -> cl18, etc etc.)

[tight sable]

Do I touch subtiming

[craggy condor]

if you don't know what you're doing i wouldn't bother. i did ram OC for a long time and it's... brutal

[tight sable]

Good like this?

[craggy condor]

if there are settings in there that XMP touches then you can mess with that otherwise i'd leave it

[tight sable]

Booted fine so it must be okay

[craggy condor]

i have to go to sleep now, but lmk if you feel any improvement at all

[tight sable]

It was actually worse LOL

[kindred plank]

Guys, I need help. I can’t for the life of me get my GPU seated all the way into the PCIe slot. I’m fairly new to building and the connector is about half the size as the slot and no matter how much pressure I put it won’t lock in all the way. I even bought a vertical mount so that I have some leeway of an extension but it doesn’t lock down into any slot I try to put it in. Any suggestions?

[naive flicker]

hmmm

like is the little lock thing on the right side of the slot not engaging?

[kindred plank]

Yes, I have some pictures as well if you’d like to see.

Oh never mind I can’t send pictures lol

[naive flicker]

sure, just dm em to me

[kindred plank]

Got it, shot you a dm. Thanks in advance for your help!

[naive flicker]

@kindred plank's gpu, I'm fairly sure it's just not long enough to click but if anyone has another opinion be sure to reply to his message

[kindred plank]

My first time working with a x8 lane connector.

[cerulean rover]

kinda looks like it's missing the usual plastic bit that would be clicking in

[kindred plank]

That’s what I’m curious about. Which is why I’m wondering maybe just get to down as far as it can go and maybe that’s it? I don’t know, I’ve never seen an x8 connector till I got this in.

[cerulean rover]

uh apparently that model is just that way for some reason

same GPU, same brand, different model, has the normal full connector with the plastic tab for locking

[kindred plank]

Weird, I hate how unstable it feels NOT being locked down into the slot. That’s why I thought maybe something was wrong.

[cerulean rover]

dunno what gigabyte was cooking with that lol

would just return and get a different model if possible, if you're going to use it with a vertical mount that won't be stable without being able to lock into the slot

[kindred plank]

And that’s what I got was a vertical mount. I might return it and get a different model lol. Thanks guys!

[spare relic]

The slot on my board doesn't have the thing that latches the GPU down

[random walrus]

Holy cost optimization

[spare relic]

Apparently Rommy's sister broke it? Doesn't matter anyway, it works fine

[wicked hound]

Prolly cost more due to not being as standard. Likely done for compatibility with x8 slots on mobos that dont have an open back

[spare relic]

Open back?

[random walrus]

Like the end of the slot is open

Vs closed

[round zinc]

Whole pcb is short, makes for a big flow through on a two fan card. Not sure if that was the reason they did it but it's plausible. Seems to be a lot of focus on flowthrough designs this generation. I'm apparenly unable to post pictures so here's a link with a picture in it. https://www.techpowerup.com/335623/teardown-of-gigabyte-rtx-5060-ti-eagle-card-reveals-stubby-pcb-design-short-pcie-connector

[random walrus]

Oh that's neat

Keep chatting a bit and you'll rankup and be able to send pics :)

[half locust]

name a bigger example of ewaste, i'll wait

already gigabyte so its disabled, its a low profile card, a 50 series card, and again, its gigabyte

low profile mfs when powercolor reaper dual fan cards exist

[round zinc]

How about you name a better deal on a proper LP card that doesn't take a power connector?

[craggy condor]

nothing wrong with gigabyte, but it's a lobotomized two gen old 50 card so yeah it's going to suck lol

[craggy condor]

the whole power connector thing is grossly exaggerated, when you have a 95w card or whatever instead of a 75w pcie only one, just adapt 1-2 satas into a pcie 6 pin

that said, there are not many LP options with or without power connectors so it is what it is

[round zinc]

Do I have two separate sata cables in this theoretical system? I don't want to be trying to run up to 75w through one.
Gigabyte has LP versions of 4060 and 5060 too. They still have an 8 pin though.

[craggy condor]

the chances of you not having sata cables of all things are quite low

and at a certain point if you're running something so low end that you don't have room for extra storage... i hate to be elitist, but that's just ewaste at a certain point

probably doesn't need a lobotomized 3050, let alone anything stronger

[round zinc]

Separate cables, not two on the same one. I haven't been in the optiplex and cheap GPU bracket for a long time myself.

[craggy condor]

daisy chaining isn't an issue if the PSU isn't garbage. the existence of multiple connections implies the ability to send the current required to run those connections

optiplexes are incredibly out of the meta now though, CPUs have gotten much faster and recycled workstations haven't really caught up

still looking at like 4th gen i5's and whatnot

[round zinc]

It isn't if you're using things normally. Adapting into a higher rated power connector is not using them normally. 75w on a single 12v wire is a lot.

[craggy condor]

i suppose. but then it's like... just spend $30 on a psu 💀

[round zinc]

My point was just that a 3050 6gb is better than a 6400 or a 1650 which are the other options in that bracket that aren't stupidly expensive quadros.

Most of those old Dell and Lenovo things don't use regular atx psus. They have odd shapes and or use an 8 or 10 pin instead of a normal 24 pin.

I think it's a lot less egregious of a POS than a regular 3050.

[craggy condor]

i've owned a fair few, it's not very difficult to adapt

i was once a brokie myself

[half locust]

Isnt their quality control pretty bad

[half locust]

I love how people are still keeping quadros for sale at msrp

GP100 going for 27000 nis which is about 8000 usd or 2 pailit 5090s and 2 hellhound 9060xts

[craggy condor]

on average no worse than any other aib, and certainly better than some of the shoddier ones. they make the odd bad product, but then so does every aib. i've had nothing but positive experience anecdotally

[half locust]

i will probably get a gigabyte motherboard but gpu i dont know yet

[craggy condor]

i've owned more of their cards than their boards. honestly i'm a bigger fan of their GPUs than motherboards by a large margin. nothing wrong with the boards, i just dislike the bios layout

[half locust]

I have a gigabyte mb and gpu in my old pc

1060 6gb

[craggy condor]

of the gigabyte cards i've owned, they've all had wildly good memory cooling for the price, especially relative to other options. my gigabyte 9070 has won several world record benchmark scores

[half locust]

Runs pretty well but im not sure if the fan even works lol

[craggy condor]

that happens with 10 year old parts haha

[half locust]

Their 7600 is around 15-20 bucks more than the sapphire pulse, should i spend that extra for the rgb and better cooling

That is i get the 7600 and not 9060

[craggy condor]

for lower end parts i really wouldn't bother spending extra for better coolers personally

too much extra cost as a %

[cerulean rover]

I don't like gigabyte cards for the crappy vbios fan curve on some cards, but there's nothing wrong with their hardware

[craggy condor]

this is true lol

however it should be noted that they often give you a ton of leeway. i can set my fans to like 4k rpm lmao

i enjoy the fact that i can make my pc sound like a jet if i want to

[cerulean rover]

I do not enjoy the default fan curve deciding you can either have 1k or 4k rpm and keep ramping up and down smh

[craggy condor]

yeah the default curves are sometimes wacky, i just appreciate the cooling potential if i desire it, since i set my curves manually every card anyway

[half locust]

Yo how are b580 drivers rn

Ah yes

2 dollar 5080

[naive flicker]

buy it

kinda wanna see what shows up

[broken fox]

B580 drivers are perfectly fine. Didn't have the issues we had with Alchemist at launch.

[half locust]

i assume they will be even better when i plan to buy a pc (around november-december)

[craggy condor]

not great, not bad. they work for every game i've played, and for JUST playing games it's totally serviceable with minor tweaking here and there. i do have issues crop up from time to time when i multitask, like having a game up while chatting on discord, or tabbing into spotify to change my tunes, etc.

my recommendation when it comes to arc is if the price is right, go for it, but really it needs to be at minimum 20% better value than the radeon and geforce options around it. otherwise i'd take the more sound experience with a marginally slower radeon or geforce

[half locust]

cheaper than a 7600xt

so

[craggy condor]

like the $180 b580 on the shuffle the other day was peak, and i saw a 110gbp one on scan too, which is amazing. i would not spend $250 on one tho

[half locust]

erm

i would

because im not us market

[craggy condor]

20% stronger, less vram, but at that performance itms kinda whateva

[craggy condor]

fairs

if the price makes sense for what you would otherwise pay then it's totally usable

the way i put it is that i don't have issues bc i don't mind fixing the small things here and there. but it's not a card i could hand down to my mother or my sister. they require a little love and attention. whereas a geforce or radeon kinda just runs and that's that

[half locust]

bigger gamble tho

[craggy condor]

how so?

[half locust]

isnt it more risky

with the intel gpus

[craggy condor]

like driver stability? or something else? i don't really understand the question, i'm sorry

[half locust]

Yea

[craggy condor]

well i mean like i said, they work they just require some attention

if you don't mind that sort of thing it's fine imo

[half locust]

Does it struggle with older games

[half locust]

Wdym some attention

[craggy condor]

i don'r play a lot of older titles, but it runs empire at war (2006) and a bunch of early-mid 2000's emulated ds games fine for me

[half locust]

i mean like repcom, tf2, csgo

[craggy condor]

best example i can give is i had to disable hw acceleration on my browser because certain workloads would corrupt the video if i ran them concurrently. just little things like that. not a huge deal, but not quite plug-and-play like with radeon/geforce

[craggy condor]

i don't play any of those, you'd have to check online. but i don't see why they wouldn't work. Battlemage has actual dx9 support iirc, not emulated like with Alchemist

[half locust]

Ok

[half locust]

I’ll either go with a pulse 7600xt or an acer nitro b580

Im going to kill the next guy who says “just get a 9060xt”

[naive flicker]

uh

in its defense it is incredible

[half locust]

Yea ik

I mean i can get an 8gb but a 16gb i will need to budget down on other components

5060 and 9060 12gb would be so peak

but Nvidia stoopid

i mean ig this could work

or a pulse

[broken fox]

That 7400F may or may not work at full 6000MHz EXPO

7000 series is only officially rated to 5200MHz with 2 sticks, and the super low-binned chips are more likely to actually only hit the official ratings

[craggy condor]

7400f is for shoddy CCDs, the IODs have very little variance and aren't on the CCD

6000 is easy, zen 4 can do 8000 desynced on a good board

[broken fox]

Most of the time, yes. I've personally seen 9700X chips that couldn't exceed 5600

It's uncommon but it does exist

[craggy condor]

atp you're talking practically defective CPUs. should not ever occur under normal circumstances

[broken fox]

5600 is the official rating, so that's not considered defective by AMD. It's fun™

[cerulean rover]

There shouldn't be any difference in imc performance between 7600x and 7400f, it's the exact same io die, the io die isn't binned

rarely you get unlucky and you have to mess with some of the voltages to get 6000 to be stable, but the vast majority will do 6000 synced out of box

[broken fox]

I've heard of people saying the I/O dies are binned on higher-end chips

Like some people will buy a 9950X3D and run only the first CCD because they feel the I/O die will be of higher die quality, rather than buying a 9800X3D

[cerulean rover]

...???

Anyways it's possible that you can kinda bin it by time of manufacturing through getting an io die from a slightly more mature 6nm process since they're still using the same io die between generations, but there isn't any evidence of there being any io die binning between models

[half locust]

Will it work fine or not

[craggy condor]

yes

[half locust]

Its like a 100 nis or 30 buck difference between the 7400 and 7500, since there’s only like a 5% performance difference should i get the 7400

[craggy condor]

same chip, 7400f is just a worse bin. you can overclock the difference. realistically you can probably match 7600x clocks. it's all the same silicon

[half locust]

Or should i spend an extra 300 for a 7600 and box cooler instead of a 7400 and 120mm antec cooler

[craggy condor]

it's all the same silicon. unless the cooler is worth 300, just overclock the difference in clock speeds back

[half locust]

its a box cooler soo

the wraith or something

[random walrus]

(Worse than a single tower cooler)

[half locust]

so i should get a 120mm antec

Got it

[random walrus]

For your case the 7400f is the way to go

[random walrus]

Ideally thermalright but iirc you don’t have thermalright where you are

[half locust]

Ik but not available in country

And amazon has no warranty i think

[cerulean rover]

Amazon generally doesn't provide the warranty, they have the 30 day return window, manufacturer does warranty

[craggy condor]

^

[half locust]

Idk im not buying from abroad

[random walrus]

antec is Chinese, pretty sure that's abroad for you

[half locust]

Well yea mf i mean im not ordering from abroad

No shit its chinese but its being sold here

[sick sand]

Should i use my anime figure as a gpu support

It fits

[craggy condor]

hatsune miku gpu support beam

https://tenor.com/view/hatsune-miku-miku-hatsune-miku-hatsune-washing-machine-gif-4863029126409914383

[sick sand]

Dw guys its okarun

[velvet grail]

does a GT 730 4GB gddr3 zotac zone edition require csm on newer boards?

[vital oriole]

no

it supports uefi

i believe

the kepler version supports uefi

make sure it's a kepler

[velvet grail]

ok, I'll ask the seller for gpuz specs

[velvet grail]

nvm they won't check as they don't want to reinstall the card on the system. complete card name is zotac gt730 zone edition 4GB 64bit ddr3 with part number zt-71115-20l
ai clanker suggested that's a kepler gpu

@vital oriole can you confirm?

[vital oriole]

4gb

high chance of kepler

only surefire way would be to run it with gpu-z

[velvet grail]

looked up some lf the specs and most match with kepler core. 64bit bus, shading units,...

so let's just hope it's not some weird variant

[vital oriole]

it's gotta be kepler

fermi was out of production long ago

[onyx zinc]

Anyone have any leads on an RTX 3090?

[craggy condor]

wdym

[quartz gull]

Is the 9060XT 8GB worth $190?

Or is the gimped vram still a bad purchase regardless

I've seen it in shuffles and on Facebook marketplace new in box for $190-210 range and was wondering if it's even worth to go for it

[onyx zinc]

Trying to buy one for a custom build - keep hitting walls.

Finally have a local deal that might go through tomorrow

[reef leaf]

Folks, I'm stumped here

I've tried just about everything

I can run Stable diffusion on my 3090FE, no problem, for hours even, temps and cooling keeps up, everything's fine

Ran 3dmark back to back

Barely a sweat

Play some of the more intensive titles in my library, can do it all day

Try to run ZZZ? Or Star Trek Online? Things that nominally should run on my phone?

Black screen death crash need to hard power cycle

I'm going to explode

19 414 score on time spy, which, is pretty fine for a stock re-pasted & padded 3090FE if I say so myself

[cerulean rover]

It'll either be related to high frame rates or it's boosting higher into unstable v/f entries because the load is lower, or it's just driver bugs again

[reef leaf]

Well, I'm running 566.36, and I've no idea what to do about the other two

[cerulean rover]

First you can try setting a frame rate cap in nvcp, second you can try to lock it to a v/f point on the curve, third you can update to latest drivers, the past few months have had a lot of bad drivers, but they've still been doing misc bugfixes with those drivers updates

[reef leaf]

I've actually found the 3090 running slower, louder and hotter on newer drivers

I'll see about the nvcp, but also, wdym locking it to a v/f point

[cerulean rover]

With 572 and 576 yea they're very buggy, the most recent one, I think 588? Forgot number, should be more stable

[reef leaf]

And I think my curve is pretty stable

or well, conservative

[cerulean rover]

Choose a known stable point, press l, and it'll lock it to that point

[random walrus]

if you're using it for 1080p maybe

[quartz gull]

My sister would be

It's crazy how cheap the 8GB 9060XT has gotten

[cerulean rover]

The new rx580 equivalent

[craggy condor]

if she's only going to play casual games it's fine. wouldn't recommend it if she wants to play recent/upcoming AAA titles

[quartz gull]

She currently has the 3050 6GB but I'm building her a new machine for Christmas

She mainly plays Roblox and Fortnite rn

Has an 8700K HP tower with a 3050 6GB low profile thrown in

[craggy condor]

realistically overkill for those games haha. will give her some room to stretch her legs with more complex titles, but she'll be a bit limited when it comes to more recent and most especially future releases

[quartz gull]

Well obviously a bit overkill. She wants a new machine for aesthetics but because her current tower is HP that uses that dumb 12V motherboard connector

[craggy condor]

ahhhh

[quartz gull]

I can't really do much with it besides just build her a new machine

She wants a white matx case with RGB

[craggy condor]

you can get adapters for cheap, but idk if the board is standard ATX (or a blue/green pcb special lol)

[quartz gull]

It doesn't use a typical 12V connector, the connector only has 6 pins and almost looks like a PCIE connector

ATX standard 12V used 8 pins

For the 12V motherboard connectors

Idk what tomfoolery HP is using

[craggy condor]

doesn't matter, adapters should still be available. should be easy to check if you know the model number for the board

[quartz gull]

Is it worth shelling out for an adapter on older hardware versus reselling the older hardware?

I feel like the difference I'd say on the new build would honestly be about the same as reselling the old machine entirely

[craggy condor]

couple dollars for an adapter + a PSU and a case will be a lot cheaper than a whole new platform i'd wager. if she wants to play more demanding games then i'd probably go for the full rebuild, but then i'd also probably be considering a stronger video card

[reef leaf]

Okay so ran up to a crash playing STO again, and got me some logs from GPUZ!

Feels like driver/PCIe signaling crash (VIDEO_TDR or bus timeout), which I did get in a minidump, question is how tf to fix this lmao

namely thjinking forcing the GPU to run gen3

[reef leaf]

...that didn't do it

[reef leaf]

Threw the GPU down to a flat 1400mhz curve, now it's solid stable

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/884329856031154187/1415440451397226629/pepe-smoke.gif

[reef leaf]

Nevermind

Locked 2ghz@1v and I'm stable

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-tf2-spy-fantastic-waste-of-time-see-you-in-hell-gif-7155351462091230750

[craggy condor]

i just saw the Nvidia-Intel deal. Arc might be cooked tbh. i am now less skeptical of b770 because idk if Arc is going to continue existing, and my argument against b770 was that if it exists Arc has effectively admitted defeat

bad news if this is what's happening, but if the money saved on AXG is put into CPU then i am happy with the tradeoff. still very disappointed though

[half locust]

Should i still get a b580

[craggy condor]

unsure, i don't feel comfortable making a recommendation either way

[velvet grail]

I have a system with a sapphire nitro+ rx580 4gb and its fans are kinda misbehaving.
after the card ran hot for a long time they usually don't spin down for many minutes even if the card is fully cooled down. when resuming from sleep they also ramp up to 100% for a few seconds. are there any fixes?

it's freshly DDUed and driver updated. trixx software test shows both fans as healthy.

does this card support firmware fan curves (via afterburner or similar)?

[craggy condor]

it should, yes

[craggy condor]

does it have a 0rpm mode? if not then the fans won't ever stop. use hwinfo64 to check all temp sensors, it might be picking up on some vrm component or memory module or something that's running hot, and spinning up based on that

[velvet grail]

it does idle at 0rpm. temps are all fine and it should definitely drop back to a lower or zero rpm after being cooled for some minutes with no load

I can understand the fans keeping running for a while after the card has been hot, but I can't find explanation to them briefly ramping up after sleep

ill try setting a firmware curve via afterburner or adrenalin and see if it fixes anything

[velvet grail]

this thing is giving me a headache

two errors minutes before tm5 finished

[craggy condor]

you can also try flashing a diff vbios to it, or even a newer copy of the same vbios

[velvet grail]

I have thought of that but I have to check if it's easy and idiot proof

I don't want to birck the card the day before selling the pc

[craggy condor]

very easy, idiot proof as long as you have an iGPU or second GPU

if you brick the card you just display out through iGPU/2nd dGPU and flash the card again

[velvet grail]

ok, I'll try my best. in the meanwhile I pulled out the fans and cleaned them as well as the contacts. hasn't done the fan spin up thing after sleep

it also has dual bios. I'll now check if it's still having fan problems, if it does I'll reflash

apparently I'm already on the latest vbios

that seems to be the only available one for all sapphire's 580 4g

I'm now testing for under load fan behavior, it'll have to run for some minutes

[craggy condor]

7gb/s version?

[velvet grail]

what do you mean by that

[craggy condor]

most rx 580's use 8gb/s memory, i didn't know there was a 7gb/s version outside of the 2048 shader version (rx 570, rebranded as a 580 for China edition), which yours is not

looking at TPU apparently a lot of the 4GB cards were clocked at 7gb/s

weird

[velvet grail]

apparently the card just had to be reseated. fans are working fine now

[half locust]

7700 non xt launching apparently

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/amd-silently-launches-rx-7700-non-xt-with-16-gb-vram-new-rdna-3-gpu-uses-nerfed-navi-32-die-offers-reduced-performance-and-increased-power-draw

Would this be a good budget gpu if i dont have enough for a 9060

I assume it would be like a 5060 raw performance wise? But worse ray tracing and more vram

Board power is pretty high tho

[half locust]

Mods

[rancid bramble]

yes

[craggy condor]

should be roughly 7700 xt performance if my scratch math is right, but it depends on final core clocks

[half locust]

lacks like 1000 CUs tho

or

idk waht it was

[craggy condor]

you also get like 45% more memory bandwidth

[half locust]

true

[craggy condor]

and 7700 xt was pretty bandwidth starved

depends on final shader clocks

[half locust]

stream processors not cus

[craggy condor]

if it's clocked like a GRE then sure probably 15% weaker than 7700 xt. but if it actually clocks then i don't see why it couldn't trade blows with 7700 xt depending on the title

[craggy condor]

1000 CU RDNA5 when?

[half locust]

40 cus, 2560 SPs, 80 ai accelerators and 40 mb infinity cache

[craggy condor]

oh it has cut l3 then too. hmm, i can see it probably being a little below 7700 XT then

[half locust]

should be a good card for 1440p medium i guess?

[craggy condor]

yeah

[half locust]

between 7600xt and 7700xt i assume

like a 7650 maybe?

[craggy condor]

definitely. significantly closer to 7700 xt tho

[half locust]

i just hope sapphire cooks this one with a good priced pulse card

[craggy condor]

it would be a neat option for overclocking if AMD doesn't artificially limit it like they did the 7900 GRE

i could totally see it hitting >7700 xt performance with 16GB given enough juice

[half locust]

would work well for a budget build with a 74/500f or 7600x

or 7700

[craggy condor]

don't see why not

depends on price tho

[half locust]

true

need to wait for it to release to see the price and see where the nvidia and intel deal is going to know if arc will be worth getting in like 4 months

[craggy condor]

as far as i am concerned Arc is basically dead

b770 launching alone is enough to indicate that to me, and the Nvidia deal kinda just hammers it home further

which absolutely sucks on one hand, but on the other i'd rather Intel focus on competing in CPU than not compete in both CPU and GPU lol

[half locust]

hope its around the 1700 NIS mark so it would be a good deal

[craggy condor]

i will be getting one regardless of price as a collector's item

[half locust]

[craggy condor]

i just hope it gets driver support for long enough that i can actually use it lmao

[half locust]

are the 9060 drivers good rn?

if they do as good as they did with the rdna 4 cards (if they even did good) then there wont be a problem right?

[craggy condor]

i sold my rdna 4 recently but while i had it my impression was that drivers were better than Nvidia by a decent margin, and makes Arc look pretty terrible lol

[vital oriole]

drivers aren't a problem as far as ive heard

and tbh nvidia's drivers as of recent have been

meh

[normal hawk]

My 9070 XT goin great

[quartz gull]

drivers for amd have been running a lot better than the slop nvidia been putting out

for 4 weeks they broke laptops where the 50 series gpus weren't pulling the correct wattage and performance tanked

my 5070 laptop was stuck at 50 watt power limit until the most recent driver

the same profile as it on battery

[frank grotto]

I’m still running a 6950XT. I haven’t had any issues with drivers. Nvidia hasn’t put out anything that’s really been convincing enough to upgrade. I tried a 4070 last summer and had crashes and stuttering. 6950XT went back in and have had zero issues.

[random walrus]

Did you DDU when swapping the gpu?

!ddu

[dreamy dragon]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[random walrus]

hmm

big lot of stuff being sold near me

I think the RTX card is probably 30 or 40 series

and that 3 fan gigabyte could potentially be a 1080

250 for the lot

Not sure if I wanna gamble, cause it could very well be a 3060 and a 1070

[vital oriole]

you could look under the card

there should be a sticker

[half locust]

that gigabyte card looks cool

[craggy condor]

gigabyte looks like a 1080 or 1070/ti. the 1060's were two fans and i don't think there was a 1080 ti with that colour palette

MSI could ve 3060-3070 ti

3080+ has a diff backplate and thicker heatsink

@random walrus

[random walrus]

Yeah I just ended up asking specific models but the seller said it wasn't available

[craggy condor]

ah

oh well

[main pendant]

What kinda graphic card does the steam deck have

[craggy condor]

it is an RDNA 2 based iGPU

8CUs with an LPDDR5 controller

11gb/s dram

[main pendant]

So do gpus take a work load off of the cpu

I don't really know how they work

[craggy condor]

CPUs do a small amount of math very very quickly, in order. GPUs do a tremendously enormous amount of math relatively slowly, but all at once (in parrallel). CPU and GPU are both microprocessors, but they're optimized for different kinds of math

the math that the CPU does is responsible for running and actually executing programs for example. and within games it's the CPU that is responsible for simulating physics and NPC ai and stuff like that.

your GPU is what actually builds the image that you see when you play the video game. it builds object models, calculates their location in space, paints textures over those models, and then on top of all that, it also encodes that into an image which is sent over your display cable to be presented on your monitor

technically a CPU can do everything a GPU does. but it would be incredibly slow. on the order of trillions of times slower (not an exaggeration)

[main pendant]

So in beaming drive the cpu is messing with like all the softbody physics, while the gpu focuses on making the look good

[naive flicker]

speaking of beamng does it work on amd gpus

i wanna get it when it goes on sale

[craggy condor]

yeah afaik in that game the CPU drives all of the physics calcs and does the simulation for damage on the vehicles and such. the GPU then takes that new model and puts textures over it and runs all or most of the post processing effects

[main pendant]

Okay that makes a little more sense

[craggy condor]

7th place for 7900 xt scores

[craggy condor]

4th! and 2nd by user haha

[idle carbon]

which is better? A 9070 or a 5070

[craggy condor]

9070 in literally every way

unless it's like 2x the price or smth it is a vastly superior product. so much so that i would pay a reasonable premium for one over a 5070

that said, if you're not in a rush RTX 5000 super is possibly expected around CES early next year

[idle carbon]

Are they similar price

nvm, a 9070 is more expensive

[craggy condor]

depends on where you live. in US, yea

[craggy condor]

how much?

[idle carbon]

Uh, it’s showing for 9070 669$ and for a 5070 it’s 599$

a LITTLE more

[craggy condor]

are you outside of US?

[idle carbon]

No

[craggy condor]

ur prices are off then

[idle carbon]

I ordered it off newegg

[craggy condor]

9070 is regularly $550, and 5070 is $500 is not a hint lower

[craggy condor]

there is a $550 9070 on newegg rn, or there was earlier anyway

[idle carbon]

How could I post pictures here to show you

[craggy condor]

the way asrock handles open box guarantees this is a brand new GPU

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-challenger-rx9070-cl-16g-radeon-rx-9070-16gb-graphics-card-triple-fans/p/N82E16814930138R?item=N82E16814930138R

$550

[idle carbon]

why’s the one I ordered more expensive 😭

[craggy condor]

$480 for 5070
https://www.newegg.com/pny-technologies-inc-oc-geforce-rtx-5070-12gb-graphics-card-triple-fans/p/N82E16814133999?item=N82E16814133999

[craggy condor]

did you get an XT? or was it a 9070 non XT?

[idle carbon]

RX 9070 XT

[craggy condor]

9070 xt frequently goes for $660 but it's not an amazing deal at that price. not horrible but non XT is considerably better value

[idle carbon]

That’s what it says

[craggy condor]

okay yeah that explains it

that's a diff card

$660 for is okay

not amazing but you could do a lot worse

that card is a little worse than a 5070 ti

much better than 5070

[idle carbon]

I see

Does XT look different then the regular or same looking

[craggy condor]

pretty much exactly the same. a lot of the 9070's are literally the exact same cooler as the XT

some of them have more custom smaller ones, but even then the aesthetic is pretty similar

[idle carbon]

XT is better though yes?

[craggy condor]

about 13% faster, yes

[random walrus]

9070 can OC better though iirc?

[craggy condor]

OC better relative to stock, yea. they'll cap out at similar clock speeds given similar cooling tho, so the overall performance gap only narrows slightly in ideal conditions for both

9070 is like that because at stock it's heavily gimped, not because it's some insanely good overclocker

kinda like Rx 6800. basically a 3070 at stock, but you could OC it to 3080 performance. not because it was outclocking a 6900 xt or something, just because it had a lot of really underclocked shaders that you could feed power and let loose

[mossy sundial]

what You guys think abou this GPU "ASUS Dual GeForce RTX 5060 Ti OC Edition 16GB GDDR7 Graphics Card – PCIe 5.0, 28Gbps, 4608 CUDA Cores"

[craggy condor]

it's a fine GPU. will run all games at okay settings. whether it's worth it really depends on pricing though. here in US it's pretty awful value

[mossy sundial]

what you r recommend , and i need all the Vram i can get

[craggy condor]

it depends on pricing. idk what country you're in

[jovial ferry]

I'm looking to switch my RTX 3080 to AMD, looking for any recommendations? mostly driven by driver headaches with NVIDA proprietary drivers on Linux

I'm considering a lateral move but might want to upgrade as I've had some performance issues in certain games, but also probably looking for something last gen

[cosmic bluff]

7800xt is gonna be a slight perf boost in games and work smoother on Linux, but ray tracing won’t be as comparable in performance but pure raster is better for sure

[jovial ferry]

I was almost considering 7900/xt since the price bump isn't that much over the 7800xt, just hesitant to do so before the 9900 cards launch

[cosmic bluff]

Personally I’d snag myself a RX 9070 if I didn’t need the nvidia tools for renders and modeling

[craggy condor]

are you in US?

[jovial ferry]

yep!

[craggy condor]

i don't necessarily endorse sidegrades, but 7900 GRE for $400 is a pretty solid deal if you don't mind servicing it (needs a repaste)

https://ebay.us/m/2YduOU

sits right between 7800 xt and 7900 xt in performance with 16GB of vram. very efficient part too

[marble latch]

is there a definitive answer to AMD or NVIDA chip sets, or is it per card?

[craggy condor]

per card

[storm kraken]

i have a 6800 XT that’s been sagging for a year or so. I have manufactured an implement to measurement that fixes this. However, I had some issues so I removed it. I also don’t know if this is appropriate. Thoughts?

[naive flicker]

Dude get a sag bracket

Most ghetto thing i seen this month

[storm kraken]

My case came with one but it doesn’t fit with my mobo

[naive flicker]

Here lemme find one

https://a.co/d/5Kr1zfE

$4

[storm kraken]

Oh okay

Will the cardboard hurt it

I’ll get a gpu support but while it ships is the cardboard fine

[naive flicker]

Nah but the cardboard will itself sag over time

[naive flicker]

Yes

[storm kraken]

Okay thank you

[naive flicker]

No problem

[storm kraken]

I went to microcenter and the only gpu support they had was some rgb $50 bullshit

For a stick

With lights

[naive flicker]

Bruh

[hot bough]

Legos work

Basically anything that meets your height requirements and is a hard material will work.

[raven wharf]

use legos lol

[sleek oasis]

Is GPU scarcity still a thing?

[cerulean rover]

Not really, prices are falling down to MSRP for AMD cards, prices have been below MSRP for Nvidia cards

[fierce shard]

What is the best 1440P GPU under 660 USD

includes last gen

is this more of a building thing or

eh

[random walrus]

9070xt

[naive flicker]

Would a 7900xt be good for my dad, he won't be doing much gaming so won't need the fsr

[craggy condor]

if he won't be doing much gaming you can get away with much cheaper cards, but yeah i don't see why not

[naive flicker]

Oh he also wants at least 3 monitors

[craggy condor]

keep in mind idle power draw gets kinda high when using multiple monitors, especially high refresh rate. but the same is true of Nvidia so meh

[naive flicker]

Possibly 4

[craggy condor]

doesn't even like gt710 have 4 display outs? i'd just get him like, a 3060 or something. or some cheap RDNA 2 card

can still play games, small and low power draw, so even high idles should be proportionally lower

[olive bobcat]

3060 12gb are usually cheap

(Ish)

[naive flicker]

How much vram does adobe suite use

[craggy condor]

tbh i don't really use them but for the most part a 3060 should be plenty i would assume. i mean, people got along fine with 1080 and 2080 ti's sooooo- 12GB can't be that bad

if he wants a baller encoder for whatever reason, this is one of the rare ocassions i might consider B580

[fierce shard]

Does AMD not have their own "Founders edition

like

The GPU that the GPU maker has

the foundimental idea that the founders editions are

[craggy condor]

reference cards, yes

my 6800 and 7900 xt were both reference cards

[fierce shard]

Are they ever sold ?

[craggy condor]

yes

there was not a ref card for rx 9000 but pretty much every other gen has had them

[random walrus]

There's a bit of a difference in that Nvidia sells theirs directly while AMD provides the reference design to board partners and they can make them

[craggy condor]

AMD also sells the cards directly from their website. Nvidia doesn't make the PCB/cooler in house either, they go through foxconn. really the only difference between them and an AIB is that AIBs middleman between both foxconn snd Nvidia

[random walrus]

I wasn't aware amd sold them, I thought it was mostly Sapphire

[craggy condor]

nobody sells them now that they don't have one lel. but yeah you could buy em on their site for 6000 and 7000 series. i assume also previous gens but i never tried or wasn't into PC yet

[random walrus]

And yeah ik Nvidia doesn't make them but they don't have evga/gigabyte/Asus branding etc

[craggy condor]

mhm

funnily enough, it's actually Zotac's parent company that produced the AMD reference cards usually

idk why people think sapphire does them. i thought they did too tbf

[random walrus]

They did for 7000 series

So that's probably just freshest in people's minds

[craggy condor]

afaik PC Partner Group made the 7000 series reference cooler too

apparently Sapphire sources from them too, hence the confusion

[half locust]

Anyone here got a laptop with a 5070?

[fierce shard]

What was the best value 4000 series gpu

Because looking at it

And current prices used and new

They suck

But I’ve only got into pcs in August this year

So I would like a take from people who experienced it when it was new

[craggy condor]

value or performance?

[fierce shard]

Value

[craggy condor]

4070 ti super, arguably

but it was still pretty terrible value

[olive bobcat]

@fierce shard honestly wouldn’t get a 40 series atm

Get a 3080ti/9000 series from AMD

[half locust]

7800xt is still good isnt it, probably could find some being sold underpriced or 2nd hand from someone who got a 50 or 90 series

[fierce shard]

I’m not buying one their really bad I was just curious on how people look backed on the 40 series

[craggy condor]

yeah, bit faster than a 9060 xt with worse upscaling/efficiency. if the price is good, it's still a plenty powerful card

[half locust]

Can handle 1440p ultra and maybe even 4k medium iirc

[craggy condor]

blanket statements are kinda useless

[half locust]

Wha

[craggy condor]

i can play some games on my a770 at 4k ultra. others struggle 1080p medium. it doesn't make sense to say "X can do Y" when what it can actually do is going to vary by game

7800 xt can't even do 1080p 60 at ultra settings in borderlands for example

doesn't mean it's a bad card, but that's def not 1440p ultra

[half locust]

Erm

Ok pal

[craggy condor]

do you disagree?

[fierce shard]

na a Asrock challanger 7900GRE brand new is 499 and last time i checked a 7800XT is like 50 USD it's worth the price jumpo

[gloomy thorn]

Hey so i paired a i9-14900kf with a rtx 5070ti

but my ram is 32gb ddr5 4800mhz

is my 5070ti too much for the ram?

[olive bobcat]

No lmao

Your ram should be running at 6000mhz if it’s able.

That’s a good frequency for ddr5.

[gloomy thorn]

can i push it to 6000?

cuz the ram is 4800

[hot bough]

RAM is CPU related not GPU.

For AMD's AM5 platform 6000mhz is considered the sweet spot because pretty much every one of them can do 6000mhz 1:1 (synced), whereas for Intel 13/14/Current gen I believe the sweet spot is around 6400mhz. Now onto the issue, because your RAM is Jedec which pardon my French is really beeping slow, I'd recommend trying to tune it to 6000+ or return it and buy a decent kit.

[gloomy thorn]

oh alr ty!

[gloomy thorn]

Thanks again

ill try to see and tune it

ill lyk how it gors

goes*

[hot bough]

I recommend #overclocking and checking out the Overclocking Discord Community.

Also with DDR5, 1.45v VDD voltage is safe for all DIMMs. VDDQ helps with frequency when VDD isn't the issue and you are very unlikely to need more than 1.5v VDDQ.

[fossil panther]

Hey guys. I’m needing some help. I’m a newbie, so please forgive me if I mess any lingo up. But, I have a AMD RADEON RX 9060 XT graphics card, and I’m having some issues loading into games and whatnot. My roommates are computer users and referred me here. I just built this a week or so ago, and just now getting to using it and installing everything. Yesterday, I go to install palworld on my computer. I had a free pass from Xbox to play games for 3 months free or something. It will not let me load any games In at all, and steam games are laggy and the frame rate is also pretty bad. I don’t have a monitor, I use my tv, which is 4k. I’m not sure if that has anything to do with it or not. I downloaded and redownloaded the driver installs. I’m really at a loss here

[olive bobcat]

Do you have the Xbox app on your PC?

[fossil panther]

I do

Sorry, I didn’t get any notifications!

[olive bobcat]

All good

[craggy condor]

is your monitor plugged into your graphics card or your motherboard?

well, tv in this case

[olive bobcat]

This was the issue
Just a simple misplaced cable

[solid glacier]

Not sure if this is a gpu thing but Trying to get on safe mode I’m on the screen but my mouse and keyboard won’t work?

[fierce shard]

Is it just me or is the direction of all gpus going towards that only the XX90 is going to be worth it for gaming in the future

Nvidia seems to be going to be caught up by AMD in Ray tracing. And their 80 class cards are being murdered

While Intel is beating them for the low end by giving excellent pricing

And the only claim to fame nvidia has is

Cuda cores and productivity

Which only the 90 class is good at

Well sorry

These advantages get amplified when it comes to the 90 class

Anyways

I stop yapping now

[fierce shard]

if only something that could beat the 4070 and was 350 msrp was confirmed
oh Arc B770

[teal peak]

necrobump...My son went off to college, and I kept an eye on driver updates from AMD. I think they've had two since August. Between those (installed after running DDU) and afterburner (starting fans at 30% base, the watching temps to come up with a curve that is honestly fairly aggressive), I THINK the issue is resolved. He came home for fall break, and gamed on it and was able to turn settings up and not have issues. My daughter has been using it to play FN with no issues. So...fixed?

[cold fox]

dont use afterburner, use adrenaline for that stuff, but otherwise if its all working id say its all good

[summer island]

9070xt better than 5070ti with new updated drivers??

[sleek oasis]

isn't there a command that explains which benchmark site this community actively ignores again? I forgot

[craggy condor]

! ubm

!ubm

[dreamy dragon]

`UserBenchmark is NOT a reliable source of information and has been blanket banned in many hardware communities such as r/hardware and r/intel for what started as an anti-AMD bias but has spiraled into delusion.

In fact, they tried so hard to skew results in favor of Intel's midrange that they even cannibalized Intel's own high end. For example, according to UserBenchmark, the i3-9350K is rated higher than the i9-10980XE.

For a similarly convenient quick-and-dirty hardware comparison website, we recommend using PassMark instead of UserBenchmark.

PassMark CPU comparison: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleCompare.php
PassMark GPU comparison: https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/singleCompare.php
Want to know more?: https://youtu.be/RQSBj2LKkWg`

[craggy condor]

@sleek oasis

[fierce shard]

3060 12GB or B580

[cosmic bluff]

B580 if new unless you have an oculus/meta vr headset then intel gpus won’t work well

[fierce shard]

9060XT 16gb or 3080 12gb ?

[vital oriole]

3080 is still faster

[cosmic bluff]

can find a 3080 for the price maybe even lower than 9060xt

found several for around $350 give or take $20

https://www.jawa.gg/product/98817/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-founders-edition-10gb-gddr6x-graphics-card-gpu heres one for example

[fierce shard]

Ha I live I. Taiwan

[cosmic bluff]

Ah, not too familiar with the market over there

But performance wise 3080 for sure

[fierce shard]

The nvidia market is pretty shitty other the. The 3080

Sso yeah

I have a few more room for a 7800Xt or 9070 GRE

7900GrE sorry

Though 9070GRE exists as well

[naive flicker]

@cosmic bluff vulkan works :D

well thats a problem

[craggy condor]

the 12GB is kinda bad

[fierce shard]

yeahhhhhh but that's the in between if you want the better beformance

i'm not playing deminding games

but i will in the future

so

lamo

[craggy condor]

iirc it wasn't really that much stronger than a 9060 xt. apparently there is a 16GB version of the 9070 GRE potentially launching that should be quite a lot better

[fierce shard]

wait what that exists lmao ?

well

the only GRE that's worth it is 7900GRE anyways

[craggy condor]

not afaik, but it was mentioned as a possibility by a few leakers... unsure if it will actually be real thi

[craggy condor]

i like 7900GRE as a product, but the limited overclocking functionality makes it so cursed

i really wanted to get one to try to push as far as i can, but there is no point in it

[fierce shard]

what about the 7800XT

[craggy condor]

i wanted a Navi 31 chip

so i got 7900 XT

[fierce shard]

i see

the market for

cards that peforme around the

7900GRE/ 9070 level

is bad

[craggy condor]

yeah

[fierce shard]

sorry bad habbit

[craggy condor]

if you just want something super cheap, 3080's are usually available for not a lot of money. vram sucks but that's the tradeoff

otherwise yeah, not a lot of options. here in US at least 7800 xt, 7900GRE-XTX are all overpriced

[fierce shard]

i did see a 7900XT

be at

440

[craggy condor]

the only things worth considering are 9060 xt 16GB, 5060 ti 16GB, 9070, 9070 xt, 5070 ti

[fierce shard]

USD before

here in taiwan

[craggy condor]

yeah if you can find that then that's very good

but i take it that was a one time thing

[fierce shard]

it was a one time thing

because they bought it in china

so there was no Warrenty

the 3080 12gb is like

325

which is sad

because that card is goated

the diffrence between the 7900GRE and 7800XT is 32

so yeah

[random walrus]

Ok reccomending a 5060ti over a 3080 is wild

16gb variant is ok for AI I guess but in gaming the raster perf will be the holdup

[craggy condor]

find me a new 3080 at a decent price lol

i don't mind shopping used, but i was talking about new options

[random walrus]

I didn't see anything mentioning new

[craggy condor]

i just mentioned it

[cosmic bluff]

Buying a new 3080 wouldn’t be a great idea, value won’t hold well and with other options available

[craggy condor]

yes that was my point

[fierce shard]

i wish they released more sweet spot gpus

like the 7800XT and 7900GRE

i'm going to sleep

but yeah

[hot bough]

How does the 7900xtx compare to the RTX 5080 nowadays for Blender Modeling & Rendering? I plan to expand my skills into other softwares for CNC and general design later down the line. For Video Editing and such I use the Adobe Suite.

For me the price difference is about $100-130 depending on models.

[hot bough]

Yikes.

Yeah sticking with the 5080 plan.

5080 is still about 2.5-3x faster than a 7900xtx in Blender.

[craggy condor]

((5070 ti))

[hot bough]

Costs almost as much as a 5080 for me since I am in Mexico currently.

[craggy condor]

unfortunate

in US it's like $300-400 cheaper

[hot bough]

Also I want to waterblock the parts eventually and the idea of waterblocking a 5070 ti just doesn't feel right...

Good recommendation in normal circumstances though.

[craggy condor]

tbf it's the same as waterblocking a 5080, just with like 10% fewer shaders

both are kinda senseless

[naive flicker]

Anyone know why my 9060xt tells me the max texture size has been exceeded when I try to render large blender objects, but my igpu doesn't?

[random walrus]

igpu is using ram and maybe even your ssd/hdd I would guess

Adds up to more than your free vram

[naive flicker]

Yeah it is, but my vram isn't being used at all

Like 2% outage

Usage

[random walrus]

Huh

[naive flicker]

Yeah idk

[cosmic bluff]

Using a lot of procedural textures?

Also make sure resolution isn’t too high, reduce denoiser samples, and change tiling of render to 128 helps reduce vram load

[naive flicker]

Alr

[fierce shard]

Alchemist is gonna outlast RDNA 2 watch

in game optimzation

[craggy condor]

alchemist didn't outlast kepler in game optimization

lolol

[fierce shard]

Can anyone recommend a 9079 white model that’s also good for some kind of ocing

Na

I just need to save up for the XT then

[fierce shard]

https://videocardz.com/newz/acer-launches-predator-bifrost-radeon-rx-9070-xt-gpu-series-in-white

this my gpu lmao

[craggy condor]

any of them

[lavish abyss]

PSA

If you're currently on a card that's slower than RDNA2, now is the time to upgrade to RDNA2

Everybody's dumping their cards because they think AMD is no longer supporting them. Because nobody knows how to read.

So find someone who's falling for the tech youtuber "doomsday" mentality on the driver update scenario, and snatch up their RX6900XT for 200 bucks

you'll be happy

[olive bobcat]

If you find any, send them in #tech-deals-discussion

[reef bramble]

what's the diffrence between
asus prime 9070 Evo and non evo

@合言葉由紀 Yuki Kid

@fierce shard

[fierce shard]

idk bro

actally

[reef bramble]

I'm asking for you in the right channel

u asked that in the gaming channel, this is the gpu channel

[fierce shard]

oh

sorry

lmao