graphics-cards

[junior locust]

Phantom Spirit 120 SE

[quasi flicker]

Oh

[junior locust]

Any Phantom Spirit really

Evo is technically the best, but costs more

[quasi flicker]

also not available where he lives lol

[junior locust]

id-Cooling also makes good cheap dual tower coolers

They have a couple different SKUs, they're decent

[quasi flicker]

Anything bad about the ASRock Challenger OC B580?

lmao what

the RGB strip is only GB

[quasi flicker]

Okay so here's where I'm at without a GPU lol, any recommendations to change the list would be helpful
https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/cd2RyW

I know it's set to Italy; the lack of availability there has been a little painful

His budget is €1000, mainly plays Minecraft (also modded) but also ARK Survival Evolved, Subnautica, and probably more when he has a decent computer and more than 256GB of storage. He does have a 2TB external SSD right now, but...yeah.

[naive flicker]

It looks like it's a gtx 9 series

[quasi flicker]

Apparently the RGB is missing the red 💀

[forest oasis]

no way

🇬🇧

[quasi flicker]

Huh?

Oh, gb lol

[naive flicker]

i almost accidentally said "arckle sparc B580"

im cooked

[keen flax]

How's Oblivion Remastered running on the 9700xt? Was it a good launch or is it buggy and unoptimized?

Might get it when I'm done with cyberpunk

[forest oasis]

It's a Bethesda game

[random walrus]

Apparently the UE5 is just a graphics wrapper on top of the main engine

[keen flax]

That's exactly what I mean lmao

[keen flax]

How so?

[random walrus]

Not exactly sure how it works, I just heard it mentioned in a yt video

By Daniel Owen I believe

[keen flax]

I've just read that UE5 games run like crap lol

Don't think I've played anything with it yet

[random walrus]

A lot of them do yeah

Hence the term "UE5 slop"

[keen flax]

Besides Fortnite, but if that doesn't run well I'd be worried lmao

Ah I think marvel rivals also uses it

[boreal turret]

Is the 5070 better than 5080 or 5090

[naive flicker]

no

[solemn panther]

Lmaoooo

[torn garden]

Bigger number better quite literally in this case

[hot bough]

Is it a problem with UE5 or poor use of UE5?

[random walrus]

Poor use kinda? but UE5 really enables devs to make slop, if that makes sense

Like, Lumen and Nanite sound cool but are poorly optimized and UE5 has devs leaning really hard on TAA and upscaling

This guy unfortunately comes off as very arrogant, but he also makes some great videos regarding game engines and optimization
https://www.youtube.com/@ThreatInteractive/videos

[hot bough]

So it's not that UE5 is a bad engine it's that it enables people to make very bad games and pass it off as acceptable mostly due to Upscaling. Does that about sum it up? @random walrus

[random walrus]

Yeah more or less

[torn garden]

This guy is a grifter though

[craggy condor]

in what way out of curiousity?

[random walrus]

Idk he seems to have put forth some good evidence

[torn garden]

Claims to have a team who are fixing UE but no proof of the team existing and going after Reputable people like Digital foundry just for attention

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCKDr8ADd_w

[random walrus]

Digital Foundry (at least used to) be known for glossing over artifacting from temporal methods. I do think they've gotten better recently about doing motion comparisons but the call-out was reasonable IMO

[junior locust]

I mean that guy also tries HARD to farm that mistake and hold it over DF even after getting better about it

[random walrus]

Yes, which is unfortunate.

But it shouldn't discredit the other things he does that nobody else seems willing to call out developers/UE5 for

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHBBzHSnpwA

[junior locust]

I mean

He's a narcissist

Through and through

And a major butthole to boot

That's enough for me to stay away

Like

I'm almost sure he made whatever he was "optimizing" here intentionally so bad and bloated that even a dozen monkeys randomly mashing keys on a keyboard could be reaching 3× the FPS optimization

Making 13fps into 39 is cool

But that's still unplayable lmao

[random walrus]

He didn't make the UE project, it was someone else's demo running at 4k50fps (on much more powerful hardware)

[junior locust]

I mean I'm just going by his own thumbnail

[random walrus]

He used a 3060 12gb for native 4k which is why the base framerate was so low

[junior locust]

NGL

That's a stupid idea anyway

3060 isn't a 4k card even with quote heavy compromises

[random walrus]

Ok but the optimization will still scale the same...?

[junior locust]

Eeeeehhh

Optimization is weird in that there's a scale of investment to return

[random walrus]

12gb mean it shouldn't be vram limited, so a card like a 4070 should start at a higher framerate and see a similar 3x increase (in the same project)

[junior locust]

Like you PROBABLY can make a game that runs 4k120fps native on a 6500 XT

But do you want to put the potential HUNDREDS of hours to get there?

[random walrus]

The point he's making in the video is that there are techniques that can be relatively easily applied to optimize an unoptimized UE5 scene like that

While maintaining image quality and not using upscaling

[quasi flicker]

Or more accurately, you're still expected to optimize your own crap and that costs time and money

And people will still buy an incomplete game

UE5 is pretty much just UE4 that adds some features and fixes problems, namely most things in the UE4 being CPU-bound

[boreal turret]

besides the price is the gpu good? https://www.newegg.com/msi-rtx-5070-ti-16g-ventus-3x-oc-nvidia-geforce-rtx-5070-ti-16gb-gddr7/p/N82E16814137933

[random walrus]

any gpu is good if you ignore the price

[boreal turret]

if i decide to go with a 40series card which one should i go for and how abt if i decide to go for 50 series which one should i go for

[random walrus]

4070/ti/super or 5070/ti are likely your best bets

[boreal turret]

which is better ti or super whats the difference

[random walrus]

5070ti is faster

Ti also has 16gb vram vs 12

[random walrus]

overpriced on like every single part lol

[boreal turret]

narrow it down for me

try to get it straight 2k or less

[boreal turret]

new link: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3xRqQd

[cerulean rover]

basically same performance, $600 cheaper
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gqNBWc

the HGST drive is very old, 5 years+ since manufacturing, but at least it's a proven reliable 7200rpm drive

both 9070xt and 5070ti prices kinda suck rn, wouldn't recommend actually buying either at the prices they're available at rn, but yea

5070ti has just came with a ton of headaches this generation

no stock, no (advertised) performance, no rops, melting connectors, melting vrms, driver bugs galore, etc

[junior locust]

@cerulean rover wanna hear some highly ironic/weird thing?

Turns out that 9070XT prices keep going down here

From above 400k HUF at launch to roughly about 355k HUF right now

Sure that's not a huge saving (just about 12%)

But 12% less money for 100% of the performance? That's gotta be a win right?

(Just ignore that it's still about a grand USD here )

[craggy condor]

ventus coolers are notoriously garbage, but also it's a 5070 ti. i doubt it will be a huge issue

[cerulean rover]

down from msrp...?

[cerulean rover]

hey tbf ventus 3x isn't as bad as ventus 2x

[junior locust]

IDK what EU MSRP is, but it's probably less than 950 euros or so

Woah

That's only 875 euros???

Jeez

[random walrus]

I think ventus got a redesign as well?

[junior locust]

@cerulean rover apparently the EU MSRP is supposed to be 775-800 for absolute base model cards

The cheapest I can get is a Sapphire Pulse for 875 (euros for both)

75 bucks above MSRP is probably not awful (tho EU has inflated MSRP to begin with)

And my price is already including the record high VAT so in reality it's PROBABLY closer to the pre-tax MSRP that AMD probably thought of

[boreal turret]

which coolers are good

[craggy condor]

i haven't paid any attention to 50 series bc they suck imo, but historically literally everything has been better than the ventus cards

personally i'm a huge fan of gigabyte's gaming OC and aorus cards, since they tend to have excellent memory cooling

but you can get pretty much whatever and be fine

5070 ti ventus will also be okay i'm sure, it would just not be my first choice unless it's cheaper by a decent margin

[cerulean rover]

I hate gigabyte's gaming oc fan curves lol

[random walrus]

Yeah I have a gigabyte something 4070 and it just keeps the fans off then cranks them at a certain temp

[craggy condor]

my recommendation is not based on noise tbf, they've been a little loud the last two gens. i just find they offer much better cooling for their relative tier if that makes sense. ie the GOC is competitive usually with the Gaming X/Trio, or Strix, and so on, rather than the more entry level or midrange coolers they're priced against

[craggy condor]

understandable lol. if you tweak them it's less of an issue but still worth noting

[random walrus]

Yeah it's fairly easy to just setup your own curve

[cerulean rover]

I find that the cooling isn't good, and the fan curve cranks the fan speeds to max to compensate for that, I'd take gaming OC over ventus 2x any day, but I'd place gaming OC at the same tier as Ventus 3x

[random walrus]

Idk if my 4070 card is a gaming oc or some other model but I've found the cooling is totally fine just the curve is wonky

[cerulean rover]

My 3060ti gaming oc just refused to listen to any software control somewhere between 65c and 70c, where it just ramps up with no way to stop it, it appeared to be a vbios quirk

[random walrus]

Granted 4070 is a pretty efficient card

[random walrus]

Oh weird. I also came from the tiny 2 fan evga 3060ti to my current 3 fan gigabyte so I suppose I was probably accustomed to louder fans

Oh wait my 4070 is an Eagle I think

So in theory gaming oc should be better? idk

Long ago I had a 2060 3x windforce and that thing was practically silent lol.

[solid glacier]

hey my case came with 4 fans already poreinstalled where do i put the other 3 i go

got

On top or bottom

[craggy condor]

interesting, which cards have you used? i've had 3070 ti, 3090, 9070, 4060 ti, and all have been pretty much exactly as i described. i've just got off work and can FINALLY run that bench for you lol

sry my exams took way longer than i anticipated yesterday 🥲

[craggy condor]

huh, yikes. my 3070 ti had a reasonable fan curve. the 3090 and 4060 ti ones were a bit weird. the 9070 is sensible, but very low % wise. the fans cap at 4k rpm, so that psrt makes sense

i keep them maxed anyway lol

[cerulean rover]

It might've been a fluke, I've only used a gigabyte 3060ti gaming oc myself, my friend's Gigabyte 7900 gre gaming oc didn't have the same problem, but it was a widely reported problem for ampere when I was looking into it

I've used 2 MSI cards, 1 Gigabyte card personally, 1 Powercolor card, and 1 Gigabyte card by proxy

[craggy condor]

wonder if maybe they had a bios revision that fixed it. 3070 ti was fairly late into the gen

[craggy condor]

RESULTS

BASELINE SCORE : 28043

CORE OC ONLY : 29566 (+5.4% score, +6.4% core freq; 0.843% score improvement per 1% core clock increase)

MEM OC ONLY : 28582 (+1.9% score, -3% core freq, + 10% mem freq. Core freq normalized base score = 27,333, = +4.5% score, = 0.45% score increase per 1% mem freq increase)

|| @cerulean rover ||

CONCLUSION

yeah i was just going schizo mode, core matter wayyyy more for RDNA 4. good to know for my mods, which i've had to delay (sobbing and pissing my pants). i'll have to demo my 4060 ti when i have the chance because i'm like 99% certain that prior archictures looooved mem OC

[cerulean rover]

It sounds plausible that it makes a big difference on 4060ti when it's just a 128bit bus on g6, it's like only 60% of the bandwidth of even a 3060ti

[craggy condor]

yeah for sure. i seem to recall this being the case for my other, now older cards (3000/2000 series, rx 6000 series), but i kinda sold them all lol, so i cannot validate

[cerulean rover]

I remember it being an issue for 3060 and hearing about it for 4060ti, don't remember any other cases where it gets choked by vram

[craggy condor]

3060 wasn't that bad tbf, 192 bit bus with faster ram than the rest of 3000 series. still benefited from mem oc a ton from what i recall though

rest of the GDDR6 30 series*

[cerulean rover]

nah I was talking about the 128bit bus weird version

The 3060 8gb, 128bit bus, same vram clocks as the 3060 12gb
https://www.techspot.com/review/2581-nvidia-rtx-3060-8gb/

[solid glacier]

Soo question

There’s a red light on boot on my mobo am I cooked

[craggy condor]

is it a debug LED? check what the red LED corresponds to

[craggy condor]

forgot that card even existed since it launched so long after the default 12GB

[cerulean rover]

people made a fuss about it so I remember that lol

[solid glacier]

It says boot

Next to the red light

[solid glacier]

But I don’t have it plugged into my monitor yet

[craggy condor]

check your motherboard manual and see what that could indicate

if you're doing first boot on AM5, you may just have to give it a few minutes

[solid glacier]

Yes or no?

[cosmic bluff]

If you have the proper cooling, power, and a safely capable mobo then you are in the clear

[solid glacier]

anyone know why when i downloadedmy gpu drivers for my 9070xt the amd software didnt download

[solid glacier]

I got a red VGA light on anyone know why? It was just working fine and now it’s showing no display

[junior locust]

Cuz originally there was no mention of the downgraded VRAM and was sold as just "3060" iirc

[boreal turret]

How abt msi or gigabyte

[craggy condor]

Ventus is an MSI model, i've had excellent luck with their Gaming X/Trio cards though, and Gigabyte's Gaming OC/Aorus cards have been absolutely phenomenal imo (fan curves can sometimes be weird, but cooling is SUPERB for the price). i haven't used any of their Eagle cards, but they seeeeem to be just sightly smaller GOC coolers, maybe with one fewer heat pipe or smth, so probably also decent (afaik they use the same fans as the GOC/Aorus cards too, so no worries there)

i simp hard for Gigabyte Gaming OC cards bc literally every one of them that i've had has had ridiculously good memory cooling, and very competitive core cooling, particularly given the price

I'd take a Gaming X/Trio over a GOC if price is the same tho

[boreal turret]

Rog strix?

[craggy condor]

never had an asus card actually, can'r speak frm experience there

[cosmic bluff]

Personal experience, not great, current strix 3080 has leds that can’t maintain proper rgb anymore, excessive power draw while also kicking a lot of heat, and lastly just overpriced

Had to turn the wattage down to 65% and get no meaningful loss in performance, and sub 60c on air

[craggy condor]

iirc the memory cooling on GDDR6X 30 series strix/tuff was subpar as well. idk if you can confirm?

[cosmic bluff]

some models tho im not entirely sure

[random walrus]

Tbh in today's market the cheapest card is absolutely the best one

I'd probably even take a Ventus if I needed a new gpu

[craggy condor]

depends on just how much cheaper haha. i'd happily pay an extra $50 or whatever on a $1000 GPU if it gets me an actually good cooler lol

[random walrus]

I suppose I meant I'd take any MSRPish card. If they're all inflated to about the same price yeah a little extra for a better cooler is worth

[craggy condor]

where i'm at too. wouldn't pay more than say $70/7%, whichever is lesser personally, but as long as i'm not paying a boatload extra i'd like a nice cooler. particularly if it also comes with a nicer PCB

[torn garden]

I got my Asus prime 9070xt for msrp which is the cheapest model Asus makes for 9070xt and very happy with it

[craggy condor]

oh sweet, how much?

[torn garden]

The msrp is 599

[craggy condor]

yeah, but AIB MSRPs are silly

if it was MSRP MSRP then that's really cool

[torn garden]

Nah I paid 599 for it at micro center

[naive flicker]

out of these what do yall recomend

[torn garden]

9070xt hands down

[naive flicker]

bet

XFX quicksilver?

[craggy condor]

what prices tho?

[naive flicker]

Up to $900

Actually $850

This is what I'm leaning towards

[craggy condor]

well yeah but individually. the cards all perform differently, and so value will be dependent both on price and the specific SKU

[craggy condor]

how much for a non XT? i can find them semi consistently for like $680 ish, which is much better value. like 10% weaker with same memory and all that

[naive flicker]

True and ig you can just flash the xt bios

[craggy condor]

https://a.co/d/15dmwyR

$680

[craggy condor]

no software for that yet. if you have the ability to hw flash then you should just solder a resistor instead and manually set the power limit to whatever you want (or limitless)

once software comes out, sure

[naive flicker]

Hm

[cerulean rover]

Generally takes a few months for the software flasher to get updated

[naive flicker]

Yeah and I'd rather not void my warranty

[craggy condor]

i'm running a 9070 and have not yet had the time to do my mods. at stock it's still a wicked fast card. stock PL/voltage with a basic OC it's even better. would strongly consider a $680 non XT over an $850 XT

[naive flicker]

Alr

[craggy condor]

provided you software flash there will be no trace of any bios flashing so long as you flash back before sending it off for RMA or whatever

[naive flicker]

Hmm

[craggy condor]

but even as is it's better value at $680 vs $850 xt. and they still OC crazy well

i'm at 3ghz locked in Timespy and more like 3.2 in a lot of games

[cerulean rover]

Btw there are cheaper 9070xts in stock rn, $800 here
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DSWJJRQX

[craggy condor]

ah neat. i saw that, but i'm fairly certain it's still worse value vs $680 non XT. i understand wanting to spring a little more for the XT in some circumstances though

better $800 than $850 at least

[cerulean rover]

As long as your PSU is of sufficient wattage, you can do similar things to the 9070xt as you could to the 9070

I'd take xt when it's within $100 imo

[craggy condor]

with hardmods at least. i assume they were planning on waiting software bios flashing and are not willing/able to do hardmods, but perhaps i'm wrong

[cerulean rover]

I mean just giving it a higher pl and clocking core higher

All in software

[craggy condor]

oh do you mean flashing a higher PL XT vbios to a lower PL XT?

bc yah that's fair i suppose

oh or like actually just doing the +15% or whatever that the driver allows

[cerulean rover]

Ye, no software flashing tool yet

[craggy condor]

gotcha gotcha. i assume there would be less % gain in that than XT to non XT flashing since the PL difference is lower, but still very overclockable for sure

i kinda wonder what the average bin quality is actoss XT vs non XT. would not surprise me if many non XTs were otherwise fully functioning XTs binned down for segmentation reasons. yields seem excellent all things considered

[cerulean rover]

304w stock pl into usually ~340w allowed by driver is still a decent gain

[craggy condor]

compare that to 220 -> 340 tho haha

not that i disagree ofc

[cerulean rover]

Hey 9070 doesn't actually have the extra cores as xt though

[craggy condor]

yes

[cerulean rover]

But yea 9070 can get a much higher relative pl, although I'm not sure how power limited rdna 4 is

[craggy condor]

i've been casually listening in on BZ's 9070 streams and it seems like they're predominantly power limited at stock. but they also run insnanely hot if you push them, so thermals quickly become primary if you do crazy unlimited PL stuff

[cerulean rover]

Considering it's the only cards on that chip, it's more likely that 9070s were just 9070xt's that had a few defective rops disabled

[craggy condor]

that's what i would think except that 9070 seems to be in stock much more frequently than 9070 xt. so unless the XT is just WILDLY more popular than the non XT (or yield are worse than i would have expected) i am guessing that some are disabled but otherwise fully function or almost entirely functional Navi 48's

[cerulean rover]

My guess is 3/4 of the current used navi 48 dies are used for 9070xt, rest for 9070, but there are many unused dies right now being saved for 9070 gre or 9060xt or other theorized cards

[naive flicker]

wb a 7900 GRE/7800 XT?

not really sure i wanna spend that much on sm llike a 9070/xt

[cerulean rover]

7900 gres aren't well priced now, 7800xt is fine if you find it at a good price though

It's still like 40% worse

[random walrus]

is $605 5070 decent?
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1882364-REG/gigabyte_gv_n5070wf3_16gd_geforce_rtx_5070_windforce.html

[naive flicker]

40% wworse than what?

[cerulean rover]

Than 9070 xt

[naive flicker]

oh

rlly i just want a good gpu

and i dont have a ton of cash

[cerulean rover]

Could try to wait for supply to get better, but prices are still going to be heavily affected by tariffs

[naive flicker]

:P

i might go for a gre, seems better even with the high price

there's also the XT(god i love this look)

[cerulean rover]

9070xt is still like 30% better than 7900 GRE

Need to keep the performance for the price in mind

[naive flicker]

i meant 7900XT

srry

same numbers, different arrangement, lol

[naive flicker]

https://www.newegg.com/sapphire-radeon-rx-7900-xt-21323-01-20g/p/N82E16814202427 what will it take to get one of these babies for free

or get one reserved or sm

[cerulean rover]

9070xt is ~10% better than 7900xt

[naive flicker]

the 7900XT is ~19% cheaper than 9070 XT

and 20%more vram

[cerulean rover]

uh $734 to $800 is 10%

[naive flicker]

it's $689 what u talkin bout

[random walrus]

diff seller

QMB the 689 one is OOS

[naive flicker]

?

[cerulean rover]

the $690 one is out of stock

[random walrus]

out of stock

[naive flicker]

darn

it was $689 20 seconds ago wtf

now it's $734

breh

[craggy condor]

wait why would you pay the same price for a 7900 xt over a 9070 non XT?

non XT is faster in raster, wayyyy faster in RT, has FSR 4 support, etc.

[naive flicker]

ig that would be better than having 20gb vram

https://www.newegg.com/sapphire-nitro-11349-01-20g-amd-radeon-rx-9070-16gb-gddr6/p/N82E16814202451 this looks good

[craggy condor]

i can't think of any games that would need more than 16GB or even really just 16GB at 1440p with the kind of settings you'd run on a 9070 anyway, so hard agree there

i'd much rather have heaps good upscaling and usable RT perf

[craggy condor]

OOS, but yeah looks good otherwise provided the price makes sense

[naive flicker]

Minecraft+replaymod+distant horizons=stupid ram/vram uusage levels

[craggy condor]

vram too? interesting

[naive flicker]

maybe it'll be in stock when i buy in august💀

[craggy condor]

this is $680, although not an amazing model. it's still fine enough tho

https://a.co/d/3o4V69E

there is also the hellhound for $20 more, but of questionable value imo. nicer cooler for sure, but idk if it's worth it in this case

[naive flicker]

yeah, plus that thing looks like its older than me

[craggy condor]

it's just a no-frills shroud lol

[naive flicker]

I think i'll splurge a teeny bit to get sm that looks like its from this year😭

[craggy condor]

just check newegg/amazon a couple time daily and you can find models in and out of stock at that price

[naive flicker]

https://www.newegg.com/xfx-swift-rx-97swfb3b9-amd-radeon-rx-9070-16gb-gddr6/p/N82E16814150901

$640🔥

[craggy condor]

i got my Gaming OC for $630

[craggy condor]

OOS, but otherwise yah

[naive flicker]

i have a feeling that'll be most of em

[craggy condor]

.

$660-680 is not too difficult if you just check a few times/day

like i said, i got mine for smidge under

[naive flicker]

yeah

I'll start really checking once i start getting paid for work, so i got a good amounbt of time to go lol

[naive flicker]

can one use FSR on minecraft

[random walrus]

Maybe? But I'd just get Sodium or similar

[naive flicker]

already have it(+like every optimization mod, ever) but i wwas js wonderin

[craggy condor]

bedrock or Java?

bedrock you can with optiscaler

[naive flicker]

java

[craggy condor]

no clue about Java

[hot bough]

isn't distant horizons only compatible with Nvidia graphics cards?

[hot bough]

on Java no.

I do not know if Bedrock has support.

[naive flicker]

nah thats nvidium

[naive flicker]

after some research and talking with my og-pc-builder uncle I think I'll go 7900 XT. I won't be using FSR(at all, really), plus i need an absolutely silly amount of vram because replaymod and distnat horizons are complete hogs. the 7900 XT meets all of those criteria, plus the specific model i want is exactly at my max price of $700.

[quasi flicker]

Hope you have a 9800X3D or something with it

There's a reason there's an "I paid for the whole CPU" option

To be fair, 128 chunks is much more reasonable than 512 with terrain generation that makes the world thousands of blocks tall and Complementary Reimagined (on a 7800 XT)

Terrain generation took 3-5 business days unless I had flown directly over it

[naive flicker]

yeah no way im doin like big globe or sm like that

maaaaybe terratonic

[quasi flicker]

Yeah that's like lightweight compared to the thing I was using

[naive flicker]

JJ thunder to the max?

[quasi flicker]

Yeah I think that was it

[naive flicker]

W mod

need a supercomputer to run it tho

[quasi flicker]

eh

Have Chunky generate it then it should be fine

Although Minecraft itself runs badly with tall worlds because the world rewrite was done by morons

[naive flicker]

yeah

[quasi flicker]

I love when YouTube lies to me about a video being in 1440p

[naive flicker]

bro i have to select 1440 to watch stuff in 1080

[quasi flicker]

lmao

[naive flicker]

like wtf

its not that hard

[quasi flicker]

It defaults to auto, tells me it's 1440p, but it clearly isn't

[naive flicker]

yeah

[random walrus]

Resolution ≠ bitrate

The YouTube bitrate for 1440p and 4k is a lot better compared to 1080p

[vital oriole]

bitrate is what dictates your quality in videos

well resolution is also a part of that

but they play important roles in different ways

resolution is simply how many pixels the video has per frame, but bitrate is the rate of data each frame has

or amount if you wish

since more bitrate means higher file size

(so is res but im keeping it simple)

[quasi flicker]

Any news on a 9070 XTX?

[cerulean rover]

None known

[quasi flicker]

Dang

[weary ore]

9070 doesnt bench very well, I went with RX 7900 XTX, this card is like 10th on list. Only 4070 ti and up are above it and some games it beats 4080

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/

[random walrus]

!ubm

[dreamy dragon]

`UserBenchmark is NOT a reliable source of information and has been blanket banned in many hardware communities such as r/hardware and r/intel for what started as an anti-AMD bias but has spiraled into delusion.

In fact, they tried so hard to skew results in favor of Intel's midrange that they even cannibalized Intel's own high end. For example, according to UserBenchmark, the i3-9350K is rated higher than the i9-10980XE.

For a similarly convenient quick-and-dirty hardware comparison website, we recommend using PassMark instead of UserBenchmark.

PassMark CPU comparison: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleCompare.php
PassMark GPU comparison: https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/singleCompare.php
Want to know more?: https://youtu.be/RQSBj2LKkWg`

[random walrus]

@weary ore ^

4070ti is not better than a 7900xtx. 9070 is roughly equal to a 4070ti

Here'es TechPowerup's chart, not perfect by any means but wayy better than userbenchmark

Here's the Toms hardware chart as well

[cold fox]

😭

[vital oriole]

another victim of ubm

ubm is known to be anti-amd

[random walrus]

Granted he did buy AMD in the end

[vital oriole]

fair lol

[torn garden]

Rt of a 7900xtx is unusable and also no fsr 4 so overall ubm did fk him over

[junior locust]

It's not unusable???

you still get 80fps on average native 1440p

[weary ore]

i play 4k with RX 7900 XTX many different games no issues what so ever. My last 3 cards were amd, 4 cards but had one go bad a 580 it was.

580 was dissapointing performance anyway.

I bought this card instead of geforce card because of memory 24 gig vrs 16 gig, my son just bought a 4080 benches better then mine in most games but i wanted more memory.

Thought memory would be good to run in 4k

[craggy condor]

did you get it close to launch, or on one of the bargain bin deals long after?

[weary ore]

i got it from newegg about 6 monts ago, my motherboard and card are both azrock

the 580 i got close to launch

it seemed to be a mid range instead of upper class

first 8 gig card i bought

it kept crashing and i did alot to try to stop it and just couldnt figure it out, it was fine for awhile then went south

[craggy condor]

it was a 1060 competitor, so yes

[craggy condor]

interesting. polaris is usually regarded one as one of the most stable semi-modern radeon generations

seems that they're kicking things back into high gear. RDNA 2 was really good and RDNA 4 is flawless as far as i can tell from my own experience with both

[solemn panther]

Hmmm

[tough plinth]

my amd drivers randomly get uninstalled sometimes, can someone help me find out whats wrong? heres the event log from device manager

gpu is rx 5700 powercolor oc

[tough plinth]

will the 8gb of ram on the 3070 be enough for a few years?

[naive flicker]

No💀

[random walrus]

At 1080p it will probably be ok for most games, you'll need to turn down the texture quality though. I wouldn't reccomend buying one for 1440p/4k

And if you can, I'd aim for something with 10gb+

6700xt is pretty good

[tough plinth]

is it worth a 100$ upgrade from a 5700?

[random walrus]

What are the prices of each

[tough plinth]

i got my 5700 for 120, and my friend wants to trade with me for a 3070 and id add 100 or so dollars

[random walrus]

I think that would be pretty good

[tough plinth]

ok thanks

[random walrus]

I don't see a lot of 5700 non xts on ebay, but xt cards are selling for $150ish. I'd imagine 5700s are going for like $120, which means you'd get around $100 after selling fees

So the question is for $200 would you be able to get something better than a 3070

Which I don't think you would

[torn garden]

It is not even remotely enough now let alone a few years

[tough plinth]

its been fine for me for me since i got my card

[solemn panther]

Hmmm

[solemn panther]

NO!

Get a card with 12gb of Vram at least

[forest oasis]

12gb isn't even enough for me 😔

[solemn panther]

8gb is a crime

Unless you like playing games on medium-low or something

[tough plinth]

what about 1080

[solemn panther]

What county are you from?

[tough plinth]

the us

why 💀

[solemn panther]

Not a good idea

You're limiting yourself

[tough plinth]

oh yea I forgot about the 20% debuff on 1080p performance in the us but no other countries my bad

[solemn panther]

@tough plinth what's your budget btw?

[tough plinth]

@solemn panther

[solemn panther]

Hmm

Ok

120

[random walrus]

Read my msgs above, he's basically getting a 3070 for $200 and not having to wait to sell his 5700 on ebay

[solemn panther]

Oh....I see

[random walrus]

6700xt is like 300+ rn

[solemn panther]

Get the 3070 for now ig.. upgrade later

[tough plinth]

ok thanks guys

[craggy condor]

do you play exclusively old AAA and esports games in 1080p?

[tough plinth]

no

[tough plinth]

guys wait what if it's linux

still worth it?

[craggy condor]

then idk how you haven't had problems. i had issues with my 3070 ti's vram buffer in 2021 lol

[tough plinth]

just overclock it to have more 😂

ezpz

(I'm not serious)

[random walrus]

afaik Nvidia and and GPUs work pretty similarly on linux

It's the games that might not have support (anticheat usually)

[craggy condor]

[weary ore]

got a 6600 xt sell for 100, its a good midrange card 8 gig

not sure how much they are now but i paid 3 hundred and something about 2 years ago

[barren crag]

I'm having an issue and Idk if it's my gpu or not. I'm running a Radeon RTX 7600 8GB card with three monitors. My OS is the Zorin build of linux, I switched to Zorin from Win11 because, after I updated to win11, it stopped recognizing all of my monitors. It wouldn't display on any if they were all plugged in, but would display on any of them if only that one was plugged in. I've since upgraded my oldest vga monitor. Now, the issue is thus - eeeeeeeevery once in a while, I'm talking like once a week or less, when I boot up my rig it will display the boot up screen fine, but when it comes to launch my desktop all three monitors stay grey. Not black like there's no signal, but the grey you see just before they switch from black to desktop. I have to do a hard restart and then it will display fine. Does anyone have any tips I can try to figure this out and get it to stop happening?
ETA: Before switching to Zorin I sent the gpu back to the dealer for repair/replacement and it was sent back to me with the diagnosis that it's working fine. They had it running two monitors over a long weekend with no crashing whatever, but the tech told me that windows sometimes has issues running multiple monitors which is what prompted my switch to Zorin

[random walrus]

Can't sell here just fyi. Can try r/hardwareswap, ebay, Facebook marketplace, or Jawa

[frank dagger]

ima test something...
oh boy, i sure do hope no gpu restock comes up tuesday/thursday. i'd be so ill prepared to extract funds collecting intrest from my account to get a 9070xt restock by then. sure do hope no amd restock happens

[forest oasis]

Wish granted

[fading citrus]

Can radeon 680m handle crysis 3 multiplayer

[naive flicker]

Theoretically, any gpu can handle any game, it's just that lower gpus will struggle to get good fps in more taxing games.

[craggy condor]

pedantry isn't very helpful

[random walrus]

Go to YouTube and search "Radeon 680m crysis 3"

Modern igpus are pretty good, I'm guessing it will run it

[naive flicker]

?

[craggy condor]

?

[naive flicker]

I was being pedantic?

[craggy condor]

yes?

[naive flicker]

Oh

[forest oasis]

I wouldn't say so
Saying that technically not exactly any GPU can handle any game because it might not support some instruction sets or APIs due to it not existing or being removed would be pedantic

But I don't feel like what you said was really that pedantic

Though it also didn't really quite answer the question that clearly

[naive flicker]

Oh, cool

[naive flicker]

True

[frank dagger]

WELP!
i was right... but not on gpus...

[main pendant]

What would be the best card to play minecraft with maxed out graphics

Also is there a help channel

Do the numbers in the names of cards mean anything

[main pendant]

Actually digital combat simulator lowest graphics

[craggy condor]

ur chromebook will not run games, i'm sorry

[forest oasis]

Nvidia - first 1/2 numbers = generation
Last 2 numbers and fe ti, etc = tier

[main pendant]

So 4080 would be

Good? Or no?

[forest oasis]

Last generation 3rd highest end

So yes good as long as the price is good

Gotta go back to work though so can't reply

[random walrus]

60 - lower midrange
70 - upper midrange
80 - high range
90 - workstation/power user/you have too much money

50 - in theory lowrange but the 1050/1050ti were the last ones really worth buying

[craggy condor]

this is nvidia propaganda!!!!

when everything is midrange/high end, nothing is

and that's where we're at now lol

[peak swift]

Feels like low range is just APUs at this point

[forest oasis]

i mean

xx50 is still low range

because they're practically an apu in terms of its performance

[craggy condor]

strix halo is 4060 ti desktop performance lol, xx50 is below APUs at this point lmfao

by a pretty large margin actually

[vital oriole]

funny how my 4050 is below igpus

my future for gaming seems bleak

since i can't afford anything xd

[solid glacier]

9070XT does this look right

[cerulean rover]

Yes

[frank dagger]

microcenter actually did restock on AMD 9070XT's...

i was given the gift of prophecy and i didn't know it!

[astral ginkgo]

any advice for rtx 5080 aib? (asus or msi)

😶

what's your choice for the best 5080 in the market

[forest oasis]

What cooler designs are you deciding between

[hot bough]

Ultimately, all the triple fan designs perform very close to each other. So opt for the design you want and if you have the guts, open the thing up and replace the thermal compound with something better and replace the VRM heatsinks with high quality copper ones if the model doesn't already have them.

[honest hemlock]

3080 12 gb vs a 5070 12 GB is.it worth upgrading?

[heady turtle]

Definitely not worth the upgrade

[craggy condor]

it's like 15% faster lmfao

[frank dagger]

i haven't seen much on my own research, but is there a difference in preformance on certian 9070xt cards? besides the clock speed i can't seem to find much else.
wanted the gigabyte 9070xt OC or the ASrock steel legend

[forest oasis]

There shouldn't be much of a difference

[random walrus]

Least expensive one is gonna be the best

[craggy condor]

^

of the two i would take the giggle bite one unless it's more expensive or you do a vertical mount

the memory cooling on those guys are peak

core temps are also good, but you get bottlenecked by hotspots (basically unfixable) before edge temp anyway. so kinda a nonissue

[crisp pilot]

Hey, right now i dont have a gpu and I was wonder if was a good option to buy the rtx 5060. It's a good option?

[craggy condor]

it's pretty poor value. for lower end/budget parts your best bet will be purchasing something on the used market

for the last several gens, low end cards have been pretty bad, with maybe the exception of the rx 6600

but thats pretty old these days, and certainly not new

what's your budget? @crisp pilot

[crisp pilot]

its like 300 bucks

[craggy condor]

are you in the US?

[crisp pilot]

yes

[craggy condor]

you can get a used 3080 for around that, or a 6800 if you want more vram instead of better upscaling and RT

might also be worth waiting to see what 9060 xt launches for, and if you can snag an MSRP model on launch day

[crisp pilot]

and the rtx 3080 performed well?

[craggy condor]

much better than a 5060, and will have a little more vram

the only thing you lose is DLSS 4 frame gen, but that's pretty awful anyways. it also consumes a lot more power. if efficiency is a concern, then i would lean towards rx 6800. it is much more reasonable

[frank dagger]

3080 is still very competent for todays preformance

[frank dagger]

welp, i took too long on deciding and now micro center stock is depleted. just the pricy cards left now... even with the reimbursement money i'd rather not over pay

[cosmic bluff]

My experience with the 3080 is wonderful for 1440p and been running it under 250W with less than 4% perf hit and dlss with it works pretty decent, tho if a game allows the transformer dlss model use it

[vital oriole]

you can override all dlss games with nvidia app

it's been what i use to keep my 4050 running games smoothly

[cosmic bluff]

So I could use transformer on any dlss game?

[craggy condor]

many of them but not all, or even most

[craggy condor]

yes, although for many games you have to configure it manually

it's very simple though, you just replace the DLL file with the latest, then if if's not an anticheat game, use DLSSTweaks to set it to preset K. if it is an anticheat game, you just open Nvidia Profile Inspector and set the global preset to K

or J i guess, but that one looks worse most of the time. apparently it's optimized for DLSS 4 upscaling + RR, which isn't very common

[cosmic bluff]

I do play siege and siege X will be a bit more intensive and having that would help a tad bit, but it’s got battle eye

Otherwise it’ll just be for arc raiders on release

[vital oriole]

i unno

as long as the game has dlss

the nvidia app allows me to just use an override lol

and just use preset K or J

[craggy condor]

your games are explicitely supported. Nvidia had a list of games that it has vetted and added support for, at launch it was only 75 games, might be more now, but certainly not all of them

[craggy condor]

if it isn't supported by the app then all you have to do is follow the second method i mentioned. ideally the Nvidia app automates it all for you tho

[frank dagger]

Finally, something to do 4k on after psu duped my 3080ti

[craggy condor]

nice, enjoy the card

[little kernel]

guys my gpu temp is stuck at 32 while im playing call of duty and i tried rocket league and overwatch it doesn't move it all is that a problem? i tried msi afterburner and ingame overlay and the task manger it all show that its 32 (4070super gigabyte) but everything is running fine, good fps and all that stuff

could it be from the drivers?

[cerulean rover]

Yea it's a driver bug with 576.02 if you're on that version

[frank dagger]

New to amd, notcing alot of tearing and general mixed preformance.
Was there anything im missing besides the drivers and chipset? Re-size bar is also on

[craggy condor]

i've not seen this- can you describe it a little more? what exactly you're experiencing

[cerulean rover]

If you had g-sync on previously, you'll want to use freesync now, those are the two brand specific options to get rid of tearing

[frank dagger]

everything is removed from the previous gpu.
if anything i've been noticing alot of mixed fps in games, sometimes it goes way down to 30 and 90 alot. on freesync
varriable is on.
not sure where else to go

also it is effecting the aio screen preformance, so that's also on the hits too

[little kernel]

Yeah thats mine cuz the latest one made overwatch crash so i rolled back

[cerulean rover]

I'd roll back further to 566.36 as a general stable point

the recorded temp being stuck thing is a known 576.02 bug

[little kernel]

And what about the instant replay on shadow play, is it normal that i have to turn it on everytime i open the pc?

[cerulean rover]

yea nvidia app bug

has been very buggy for ages

[little kernel]

So annoying

The whole Nvidia app thing is a terrible idea

[random walrus]

Not really, they just need to work out the kinks. The previous app wasn't perfect by any means

[cerulean rover]

it's a bit of a problem when they're just ignoring long standing issues to try to make new features

[frank dagger]

Some reason on the 9070xt. It seems to default to 60fps for some reason

[cerulean rover]

what is your monitor refresh rate set to?

also did you DDU when you changed GPUs?

[frank dagger]

Yes, and refresh is 144

[frank dagger]

I think i figured it out... it was Radeon chill

Nevermind...

[idle bison]

If I were to hypothetically magically shut off my graphics card (or take it out mid usage), would that cause Windows to close all apps and go back to your lock screen?

Maybe as a safeguard or something?

[random walrus]

I don't think so

[idle bison]

How vexing

[idle bison]

I asked because I think I've confirmed an issue I've been having for a while is a GPU problem. Essentially, while running games (and sometimes while not), my screen has odd tearing and fails to update properly on other apps or even in game (for instance, switching channels on Discord might only update half or less of my screen, or tabbing into Overwatch will only show a still frame until several retabs).

Another issue, which is more impactful, is my PC will randomly black out and lose all input/output, with only my fans and cooler rgb remaining on. This happens when I am gaming (before it was more intense AAA games but even lighter games cause this now), or happens if I have a split/reduced sized tab (in this case, non-fullscreen tabs sometimes drops my PC's overall framerate so low that this crash happens).

[random walrus]

lose all input/output
Do you know for sure you lose all input?

[idle bison]

Well now that's the odd part- let me explain a bit more

I believe I confirmed the GPU is the issue because plugging the DP into the mobo restores output to my monitor without needing a full PC restart, but returning it to the GPU returns a black screen. The odd part is that all of my apps were closed and I was back at my lock screen when this happened. I thought I was losing input (people in Discord immediately lost the ability to hear me, typing and hitting enter after alt tabbing to where Discord would be did not show up on my phone), but turns out all of my apps and software just close when this happens

[random walrus]

interesting

def sounds like a gpu issue of some sort but nothing I've heard of before

tbh unless someone else has an idea I'd probably just recommend a windows reinstall

[idle bison]

Is there a way to do that without losing the stuff downloaded on my main drive?

Shouldn't be a problem either way, would be nice to save myself a day worth of redownloading stuff though lol

[random walrus]

There is, it might not be as effective as a fully fresh reinstall tho

[frank dagger]

okay, i have tried updating bios, power tuning, clean install and drivers only, rebar off, 4g off, pcie 4 forced, and stock settings but still having stuttering in games off the 9070xt.
what other options in bios/gpu tuning can i do to stop the lows fps stuttering?

[frank dagger]

Gpu undervolt tuning has not worked

[frank dagger]

I'm not sure what else to do, if anything a bandaid with the lossless scaling app seems to help "cover" the micro sutters with frame gen.
So im doing that for now...

[frank dagger]

uncapping the fps instead of putting it to the monitor refresh rate got rid of heavy stutters, but very small stutters are still present... i don't get how it mostly fixed it

[craggy condor]

wacky

your system is haunted dude

the only time i've ever seen anything like the video you showed was when i completely destroyed the voltage regulation on one of my CPUs by breaking an on-package cap lol

[frank dagger]

okay, wukong benchmark is not a good thing to base a general undervolt on.
new to it, thought unreal 5 would be a good general base line to try and figure out. but damn. everything is crashin after a good 10 min. undervolt is hard

[frail oak]

Bought a newegg refreshed 1650 Super from newegg and it was disgustingly dirty with dust and grime build up on the PCB and contacts. It took alcohol with cloths and Q-tips to get it clean. Tell me how was that Newegg refreshed?

[random walrus]

You can dm @cursive urchin and ask

[idle bison]

Update to this- it was restarting

It was difficult to intentionally replicate it to confirm this

I watched some videos of people disconnecting their GPU from a running PC, and one showed that his PC went into surge protection when it happened (it showed input when he reconnected his device). I'm wondering if that's what's causing the PC to restart when this issue happens

Though a notable difference is he was able to get input by simply plugging his GPU back in- obviously I'm not live disconnecting my GPU, but my GPU still requires my own restart in order for it to be functional

The same applies even right now- I'm running the device through my integrated graphics after one of said crashes, and despite the device going through a restart of its own, my GPU still won't input if I plug my DisplayPort into it. However, if I simply power off and power on the PC, full function will return until the next time this happens.

So far it's been getting progressively worse. It happens more frequently and in more games than before (I've been having this issue for a while now, but today is the first time it's happened in Overwatch).

Worth noting that this time around, the frame update issues also happens on my iGPU

Which makes me think the two issues are separate

[frank dagger]

okay, this point i feel like its a driver issue... even with current games its having problems now. guess time to wait till AMD fixes this micro stutter and crashes

[cerulean rover]

What games...?

[idle bison]

I'm beginning to suspect a possible power issue? I mean, my PSU has more than enough power for the build, and my cables should be good. I'm not that PC smart, but in those videos, they're full disconnecting their GPU from the PCIE slot and then reinserting it, meaning there's a full interruption in the power between the GPU and slot. With mine though, the restart that happens after the GPU failure doesn't power down the PC before it happens (meaning there's still power involved between it and the PCIE), which might be why mine requires me to do a manual restart before the GPU can work again.

Basically, I think my GPU might be "disconnecting", or having some issue with power somewhere, randomly during gameplay. This causes the PC to restart as a safety protocol (as it does in those YT vids when they hot remove their GPU), but the GPU does not get restored during this since it never loses power during the safety restart.

This still leaves questions to be answered:

• Why is this happening, and how do I begin attempting to fix it?
• Why does my PC have the frame update issues even on the iGPU? (this issue is related to something else in the PC or software, but is not tied to my monitor)
• Why do non-fullscreen windows cause my PC to lag and even cause full GPU failures similar to gaming? (this issue is quite possibly tied to my GPU)

[craggy condor]

do you have a multimeter and a way to replicate the issue easily?

you can try measuring the 12v input to see if you're experiencing some kind of voltage drop under load or something

[idle bison]

Neither

[craggy condor]

suboptimal

[craggy condor]

what PSU are you using?

also what CPU

[idle bison]

Corsair RM750x 2021 and a 7600x

[craggy condor]

S tier unit, pretty surprising if it's that

how is your home's electric? do you get frequent brownouts or anything?

[idle bison]

Not at all. Happened in two homes so far as well across two different states

[idle bison]

Could it be issue with the PCIE? Either on the GPU or mobo's end? I have an MSI Pro B650M-P mATX

[craggy condor]

it's possible but i wouldn't expect it...

[cerulean rover]

Watch GPUz's readouts for the 12v input to your GPU and see if that drops significantly under load

[idle bison]

I'll try that now

[frank dagger]

ff14 has micro stutters with preformance dropping to 30 fps every other second, mh wilds has crashing after a random interval, same with wukong.
belive it's a driver level at this point or i may need to tune to gpu to a low and stable set, eitherways. i can't be sure of it atm

Also if there's another tip. Some reason its also effecting my aio screen as well. The max fps is 60, but sometimes when the pc is under a specific load, the aio screen will freeze or dip to 1fps

[frank dagger]

and i do not have the means to "throw money at it" to fix the problem atm

[craggy condor]

try underclocking everything and see if that does anything

[frank dagger]

I did, nothing

[craggy condor]

CPU, GPU, dram and all?

[frank dagger]

Based on wukong.
Gpu tuning was for volt offset at -120, did mhz offset to max, and power limit to -30%.
None worked.
Also putting cpu to eco caused great instability making more sutters, left it at stock

[craggy condor]

voltage offset on GPU will make your GPU less stable, not more stable

if you've kept it that way, that could easily be it tbh

-120 is really harsh

CPU in eco causing issues doessn't make any sense tho, it drops clocks by pretty much nothing

[frank dagger]

Ye, thats why i moved to default settings and its still having effects

So this point its drivers

[craggy condor]

possibly, but your CPU giving issues is really fishy

have you done anything with windows yet?

i'd strongly consider running a fresh install (you can keep your files) overnight

[frank dagger]

sigh... once again... its the 10th fresh install of the year

Nothing much on windows besides putting the high preformance power plan

Even bios settings aren't much help

[idle bison]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1326461813189247029/1376672902505562132/t.gif?ex=68362e0d&is=6834dc8d&hm=3e1d1ba96c47b022fb9831a95108819ccdbbe6ddbc84c522a602dea45df6ff42&

I do not know what these readings mean really

This is while running Overwatch's private match

[cerulean rover]

Oh yea AMD usually doesn't have sensors on the 12v inputs, you might want to open up hwinfo64 instead and check 12v readings there, it won't be specific to the GPU, but it'll tell you if the entire 12v rail on the PSU is dropping or something

[cerulean rover]

Btw have you checked if the instant replay equivalent recording setting is on? I believe that is on by default now

It doesn't affect my experience but one thing that causes random stutters for me is streaming on discord lol

[frank dagger]

It is off. I looked at the release notes and saw it was wierd for it to crash without it on

[cerulean rover]

Could test with it on but that likely won't do anything

[cerulean rover]

Btw pretty sure all of those are UE5 games, does the stutters appear in games in other game engines?

[frank dagger]

Ff14 is based off a 2010 in company engine.
I haven't tested others yet.
I'll look into it, but it'll take a while if its anything like mh wilds, may need to do long sessions to find any cracks

[cerulean rover]

Actually does the stutters show up in any benchmarks? Like if you run any 3dmark bench or unigen bench or anything like that

I'm leaning towards blaming the game engine

I'm not familiar with the final fantasy games but I could've sworn there was something about one of them moving to ue5

[frank dagger]

Only bench i did was wukong and ff14 dawntrail 1.0 bench. Not the revised dawntrail bench.
Even so those benches doesn't account for gameplay/real senario.
Ff15/16 are in unreal i belive.
Else the other games I've tried are all in company engines.

I also got one for my friend too and he's also having micro stutters as well. Could ask what games he's observed it on as well

[idle bison]

Idk what exactly I'm looking for here but funnily enough, the very same GPU failure happened while I had hwinfo and Overwatch open 😆

[frank dagger]

Friend says he's noticing sutters on unreal 4 games now atm.
Dunno about anything else for me

[cerulean rover]

If you had the hwinfo64 logging enabled it should have a text file with all the readouts right before it crashed

[cerulean rover]

Btw I have heard about the high performance power plan being iffy, may want to test with default power plan

[frank dagger]

I had, thats why i went to high preformance

[cerulean rover]

And another side note, how about capping frames very low and having v sync? Say capped 60fps with v sync

[frank dagger]

Its wierd, in ff14 uncapping makes it sutter less, capping fps makes it stutter harder even to the monitor refresh cap

[idle bison]

How would I find this log?

[cerulean rover]

Can you double check in GPUz that the GPU is running PCIe 5.0x16?

[cerulean rover]

I don't remember and can't check rn, but check the hwinfo64 folder

[frank dagger]

Thats why i said this, and it was proven pcie generations only effects a 1% difference.

Yet the sutters are making it a 80% difference

[idle bison]

I hope this has everything in it

[cerulean rover]

I'm coming from personal experience of my 9070xt refusing to boot with 3.0x8/4.0x8/5.0x8 due to CPU mounting pressure being bad lol

It's possible that it's picky about it, just want to check that it's not running on x8

[cerulean rover]

That doesn't seem right lol

Not sure if that's the right file

[idle bison]

Well now I'm completely lost lol

I'm hoping I can get this right for logging the first time around because I can't predict when gpu failure happens

[cerulean rover]

It should just be a .csv file
https://support.lumion.com/hc/en-us/articles/360021829573-How-do-you-provide-a-log-file-from-HWiNFO

[frank dagger]

it is running off pcie x 16 lanes

[idle bison]

Would this be it?

Had it running until the gpu failure happened

Was running DOOM: The Dark Ages this time around

[cerulean rover]

Yea that's the right logs, I'm not seeing anything out of the ordinary coming up to the end of the logs, assuming you crashed after around 18:46 there

the voltages look fine, not much droop, temps look fine

[frank dagger]

Okay, so it seems like ff14 and mh wilds are the only games with problems...
My two major ones i daily play. Damn

[idle bison]

Well that's bizarre then. Does that mean it's a software issue?

[cerulean rover]

It's something sudden that doesn't seem to be CPU or GPU

Start with blaming windows then your drivers, go through dism and sfc then check through your drivers, DDU and reinstall if you can

[idle bison]

I've reinstalled with DDU more times than I can count now, problem always returns

I'm guessing windows might truly be the problem here

[cerulean rover]

Run dism and then sfc and then try reinstalling windows if it's not too much trouble and it persists

[idle bison]

I'll try to do that this weekend then

[craggy condor]

you can keep your files if you reinstall windows, i'd just nuke it overnight. takes like 10 minutes to get set back up once the process concludes

[idle bison]

What's the process for this?

[craggy condor]

download and run windows installation media, select keep files when the option comes up

@idle bison

[solid glacier]

uh..?

im confused lol

[idle bison]

Windows successfully reinstalled

[craggy condor]

hopefully you have better luck going forward

[idle bison]

I'm downloading a game again to test for problems

[craggy condor]

oh, did you clear your files?

usually i keep all my stuff

unless it's for a totally fresh PC

[idle bison]

I did just in case it was an app or something causing it

I just saved everything important somewhere else

I'm noticing I'm still getting the frame update issue

Haven't had a crash yet but I also haven't been using it long enough since the reset to know if the problem still exists

I haven't been able to replicate that issue where split tabs can lag out my computer so that's good

[idle bison]

Able to replicate this with Steam in fullscreen

This does not bode well

I don't mean big picture mode, just occupying the full screen as normal steam

Genuinely can't tab into Steam without my PC going 1fps

This is a recurring issue

[fervent olive]

I have a MSI 5070TI 16gb Shadow 3x OC and i have had videos mess up and it will only affect the video portion of the page and not the whole screen. It makes the video look like the GPU is dying but i have never seen it where it only affects the video. Usually it affects the whole output. Is it something i should be looking to return the card or is it a driver issue and hopefully it gets fixed in the future

my 30 day return window is in the next couple days.

After initial install, it ran ok for two days and day three it black screen crashed and full fans on restart. Got past that but still having this issue with the video feeds.

[random walrus]

Honestly I'd try rolling back your GPU drivers to version 566.xx

Seems like every driver since then has had some sort of issue on some card

[hot bough]

personally I'd recommend getting the seller to give you a replacement and if issues persist then try drivers since your window is about to close.

[cold fox]

50 series can’t do that

[random walrus]

Oop

[heady plover]

do 3060s even need to be undervolted??? mine can reach 100% utilization with a 165 core boost 1000 memory boost on afterburner but it never really even goes above 70c. my understanding is that undervoltings purpose is to decrease temps and potentially decreasing instability from thermal throttling while giving a smal performance uplift since theres decreased throttling. but ive never seen this gpu go that hot at all

[hot bough]

No need to undervolt.

Can you? Yes.

Also the more you undervolt the chip, the less stable it becomes because it's trying to achieve the same performance while using less power which can reduce temps allowing for more sustained clocks as a result but again it's more about efficiency.

[heady plover]

so are the people making content about it just doing it for testing purposes or for content purposes?? because with the 3060 specifically i seem to find more discourse about it than other similar cards. nonetheless its nice how cool this card stays with the stock cooler

[hot bough]

3000 series if memory serves me right, Nvidia designed the chips to run with more voltage than needed to increase yield as a result they can be undervolted much better than recent generations.

So it's a combination of people trying to make content and that the card can usually be undervolted pretty well but there is no actual need to do it.

[heady plover]

ahhh. that sounds pretty fair.

[hot bough]

If you have the patience to undervolt it properly there is no harm to it

It would technically make it last longer since it's using less power for the same results.

[heady plover]

yeah ill probably look at it. not tonight though already done too much lol

[hot bough]

Well pop in #overclocking if you need help.

[heady plover]

alr. hope i dont get it to the NEEDING help part lol. worst case scenario nice to see its there

[hot bough]

Agreed

[idle bison]

Update: Just had it happen again

It's definitely hardware

[craggy condor]

highly unfortunate

[idle bison]

Truly

I just want to identify which exact part it is

Probably just the GPU

[craggy condor]

seems the most likely culprit although the symptoms are really quite strange

if you're within the return window you can probably do a straight swap through your retailer, otherwise you might have to RMA :/

[idle bison]

I don't think I have the option for the latter, definitely not for the former

[craggy condor]

can't RMA?

unless you screwed with its hardware in a somewhat detectible way, you should have a 1y minimum warranty period, usually 2-3

[idle bison]

Proof of purchase

My ex might have the proof of purchase

[craggy condor]

what AIB is it from?

[idle bison]

AIB?

[craggy condor]

unless it's like palit or something you'll probably be fine, they'll just base your warranty period on production date vs date of purchase. and the GPUs have only been out for a couple months so you'll be fine

[idle bison]

It's XFX

[craggy condor]

which board partner produced the GPU. MSI/Asus/etc

[craggy condor]

XFX is chill from what i've heard but i don't have any first hand experience

[idle bison]

It's a 6800, not a 9070

[craggy condor]

ahhhh

[idle bison]

But it was still a recent purchase, only got it in november

[craggy condor]

i misrembered what card you had

[craggy condor]

bought new?

[idle bison]

Yes, from XFX's Amazon store

[craggy condor]

hmm. they miiiight have internal records of where units are sent. i'd give it a try, explain that you don't have PoP, but that you bought it new in november from their official Amazon page. specifically ask if they maintain inventory tracking records to confirm that your GPU SN was sent to Amazon on whatever somewhat recent period they recieved it

if they don't accept, just fake an amazon invoice and say you magically found it. they won't be able to reject you any harder than they already did 🤷‍♂️

[idle bison]

lol

Alright, ty for the advice

[craggy condor]

best of luck homie i hope it goes well

if all else fails lmk if you sell it and i might take it off your hands lol

[idle bison]

Alright lol

[crisp pilot]

If right know I have a ryzen 5 3400g and I was thinking to buy a rtx 5070 is a good option? (I planned to change the cpu later)

[tough mica]

I have 3060 ti do i buy a new gpu or wait couple years more

[tough mica]

Been using it since 2021

[cold fox]

No

[craggy condor]

5070 is bad even at MSRP, also upgrade your CPU asap, not just "later" like as soon as you get the GPU lol

3400g is really really slow. as much a meme as 5070 is, it's still going to suffer absurdly badly with that kind of chip

[olive bobcat]

@crisp pilot you should upgrade your main system before buying a new gpu. I’d suggest going straight to am5 with a 7500f, then getting something like a 7700xt or 4080

[craggy condor]

^

even 8400f if the price is right

they were like $70-80 not too long ago

that plus cheap ali ram and a used b650 is a killer budget combo imo

[tough mica]

Fellas

[craggy condor]

does it play the games that you would like to play at settings you enjoy?

Yes: don't upgrade
No: continue

Can you afford a new GPU that will get you to the settings and framerates that you desire without compromising other areas of life?

Yes: Upgrade
No: Don't

[tough mica]

Reasonable answer thank you

[craggy condor]

all good. if you decide to upgrade let us know and we'll deal hunt for ya

best bet is probs going to be microcenter 9070 xt for ~$700 if you're near enough to one to be viable. aside from that, 9070 non XT for <$650 is okay, and used market is pretty much the only other viable option for anything below those price points

[solemn panther]

9700xt: the only card worth talking about in 2025

[craggy condor]

pretty much. 9060 xt is looking fire too tho

somebody in the AMD server got one early and it has working drivers already lol

[rancid bramble]

They should’ve kept that naming scheme

[rancid bramble]

I’m saving this lol

[boreal turret]

am i better off getting a 40 or 50 series? i need a card of atleast 12-16vram

[naive flicker]

What're you using it for

[boreal turret]

microsoft flight simulator 2024

and more

[naive flicker]

Id say 50 series, probably 5070 or 5070 ti

[cosmic bluff]

What resolution are you aiming for

And what cpu do you have

[boreal turret]

1440p i have a i9 9900k but i want to build a new pc with a amd ryzen 9

[cosmic bluff]

I’d say 5070ti personally then

Though please ensure you connect that power cable in properly

[boreal turret]

?

[craggy condor]

9070/xt

[cosmic bluff]

The gpu power cable 12vhp is fire hazard if not plugged in all the way

[boreal turret]

thats why i was consdiering the 4070 ti but i want 16vram so i dunno

[cerulean rover]

9070xt is most likely going to suit you better

[craggy condor]

^

even non XT tbf

[hot bough]

4000 series uses the same connector type but the fit is looser so you'd be safer with 5000 series connector.

[random walrus]

4070 just uses 8pin pretty sure

Cause it's like 200-250w tdp

[hot bough]

Does it?

Oh it seems some have it but not all.

Most 4070 appear to use the 12VHPWR connector.

[random walrus]

Weird. Mine is 8pin, didn't realize they had 12vh versions cause of how low the tdp is

[hot bough]

Guess we both learned something new.

[onyx finch]

not sure if this is the right channel - but i'm upgrading from a nvidia 2060 super to amds 9060 xt

what are the steps to properly swap over? I read briefly on some reddit threads and here's what i gathered:

1. download DDU to remove all nvidia drivers
2. shut down pc
3. swap GPU
4. turn on pc
5. install AMD drivers

simple as that, eh?

any tips would help

[craggy condor]

pretty much yeah. run DDU in safe mode though

but yeah from there ur good

[onyx finch]

thank you so much - will run in safe mode. ty ty

[nimble quarry]

Hey guys. Weird situation. Bought my 5090 and traded in 4080 for it. Found out 5090 was busted so sent it in back as well. Wondering what happens to the trade in now since the return and trade in are both at newegg.

[nimble quarry]

@olive bobcat posted it here

[olive bobcat]

Send @cursive urchin your order number and return number, they’ll get back to you when they wake up

[solid glacier]

Is there a program i can install to make sure my pc is running correctly

[spare relic]

winbows

[solid glacier]

wym

[naive flicker]

Hwinfo

[random walrus]

Cpu: cinebench
Gpu: 3dmark

[spare relic]

those are some nice specs

[hot bough]

Are you worried about the thermals or the entire PC's hardware as a whole?

If you really wanted to test I'd use a suite of programs like:

CPU:

• OCCT
• CoreCycler
• Prime95 or Y-Cruncher

RAM:

• TestMem5 with Extreme profile
• Y-Cruncher with VST3 profile

GPU:
3DMark

Use HWinfo to track thermals, power draw, and WHEA errors during the tests

Or if you want the simple approach, go with Steve's suggestion.

[wicked hound]

Note that cinebench is a benchmark and not a stress test. Doesnt fully utilize CPUs to their max power extent and is incredibly stable in transients. Both which doesnt help when testing for stability
3D Mark is also kinda that iirc with transients. Or maybe it's just not good with loading low - mid occupancy workloads and making sure GPU is stable at that (pretty often for poorly tuned stuff to be stable at high occupancy GPU workloads but not low - mid occupancy workloads, making GPU unstable at idle, unloading games, simple games, etc). Cant remember where 3d mark specifically fails in being a stress test

[random walrus]

They asked how to check if their PC was running properly, easiest way to do that is by comparing a benchmark score

But yes if they had a more specific issue stress testing could help

[solid glacier]

Well my gpu updated and idk games feel like they arent running great at all

!ddu

[dreamy dragon]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[boreal turret]

is it better to buy a 40 series or 50 rn?

[craggy condor]

9000

[boreal turret]

good one

[craggy condor]

more serious answer: what to buy depends on your budget and your intentions

[boreal turret]

Around 950 but prefer to keep it under that and my intentions are to simply be able to run demanding games like Microsoft flight simulator 2024 and spider man at high settings with good fps

Right now my 2070 super is barely able to handle the flight simulator (prebuilt)

[craggy condor]

9070 xt for $700 is the obvious choice here

[boreal turret]

im a nvidia f anboy

[craggy condor]

become a radeon fanboy then

next best thing is probs going to be a used 4070 ti super or something. idk if prices on those are reasonable anymore though

you could get them for $650 for a brief while, then the market went insane and they were $800 for some reason

if they're around $700 then i suppose there are worse options. you may also want to try your hand at camping out 5070 ti MSRP drops

[boreal turret]

which brand is best for gpus? (nvidia) gigabyte, msi, asus, or some other?

[craggy condor]

model > AIB. case in point, MSI makes some of the worst and some of the best cards imo. depends on what specific model you're considering

for the most part with these last two gens it makes 0 difference, everything is overbuilt and everything has that awful power connector

[silent cradle]

@boreal turret if you need a gpu look in #tech-deals nvm oos

[boreal turret]

Is it better to buy a overclocked or normal? I heard overclocking is dangerous

[hot bough]

It's dangerous if done improperly.

It can be very safe if done properly.

Also, overclocked gpus from manufacturers are very simple extremely minor bumps to the clocks that are ultimately trivial.

[craggy condor]

it is impossible to kill a GPU via overclocking without modifying hardware

this applies to anything Nvidia, AMD, and Intel going back to like the GTX 600-700 series

[craggy condor]

^^^
think of it more like tweaking the boost algo than any meaningful overclocking

[random walrus]

They slap +100mhz on the boost clock and call it a day

Maybe +150

[naive bane]

Apparently acer cooling gpus

Acer Predator Bifrost RX 9070XT 16GB OC

is a thing

noice

[haughty musk]

My graphics card fans just started ramping up and my monitor turned off, are there any known reasons as to why this is?

[spare relic]

when the computer is out of OS I think it tends to ramp up fans, maybe

[haughty musk]

also when i restart my pc i have to restart it a second time because the frames and variable refresh rate become nonexsistent

[craggy condor]

some kind of crash. could be GPU related, could be your CPU or RAM

do you have PBO on by chance?

unless it's a really hard GPU crash (doesn't make sense unless you have aggressive OC applied) a lot of the times PBO crashes out with a flat black screen vs BSOD or other 'normal' behavior

[haughty musk]

I dont think its cpu related or at least in the pbo section because all the settings for it are on auto

Yeah i think that it has to be a gpu issue because when my pc boots up there’s no sleep option, it goes to a grey screen after idling for a bit, and there isnt an option for variable refresh rate or an option to change framerate at all

Just got hit with the pin glitch ggs

[hot bough]

Any good Graphics Cards within $1000 lately?

I am saving up $1,000 to do a tech upgrade next month.

Playing at FHD with plans to upgrade to WQHD later down the line.

[olive bobcat]

What do you have

[hot bough]

I have been seeing some 5070 TIs around $830.

[hot bough]

RTX 3070 XC3 Ultra

I am open to the idea of AMD but would much much much rather stick with Nvidia because I use Blender and I own stock in Nvidia.

[olive bobcat]

I’d highly suggest going for 7900 XTX

[hot bough]

Do they retail within $1,000 nowadays?

Oh they do

Color me surprised.

[hot bough]

7900xtx is 4080 super performance correct?

[olive bobcat]

Over

[hot bough]

Is a 750W EVGA Supernova psu enough?

I believe it's a GT. My CPU draws 190w average with a 211W peak.

[olive bobcat]

I’d upgrade to a 850w, or 1000w

[hot bough]

RAM pulls about 15W

[hot bough]

Are the DFX psus capable?

[olive bobcat]

That I’m not sure

[hot bough]

So what would be the downsides to the 7900xtx for production work?

I use Blender and most of the Adobe Suite.

Also do you per chance know what model of 7900XTX overclock the best?

[olive bobcat]

It looks to be worse than a 4090 in blender, but not that much

[hot bough]

Gotcha. Honestly if it's within $1,000 when I get it I would be willing to go team red.

Spending $850 for a 5070 it seems like a dumb choice in comparison.

I saw some models as low as $800 for open box.

[olive bobcat]

Yeah, it has 12gb more vram

[hot bough]

I enjoy overclocking a lot as you can see in #overclocking with over 5000 messages lmao.

Which models for 7900xtx are usually better for oc? Noise is not a concern unless it's like a nail on chalk board type of nasty

[olive bobcat]

Sapphire Nitro

[hot bough]

Within $1,000 the options are:

• Merc310
• Sapphire Pulse
• Taichi (white and black)
• Hellhound
• Phantom
• Creator
• Phantom
• Mercury
• Gaming

Almost all are either refurbished or open box. Any concerns? I am looking at Newegg.

[olive bobcat]

I’d go with the saphhire pulse

Refurbished

[hot bough]

Gotcha, may I ask how the Taichi compares to it?

Taichi and Sapphire Pulse are my top 2 contenders currently.

[olive bobcat]

I’m not too sure. I believe they’re nearly identical, pulse has a higher OC

[hot bough]

On paper, the Taichi has 155mhz higher boost clock and a much much much bigger heatsinks.

Taichi TDP is 15w lower surprisingly despite paper specs

[olive bobcat]

Maybe I’m looking at the wrong stats

I’d go with the taichi then.

[hot bough]

Gotcha. I think so, I looked at what both call game clock

Taichi game clock is almost 200mhz higher.

Also, I apologize if I came off as rude. Just trying to do as much research as I can and understand what the best choice would be.

[olive bobcat]

All good
I’m just a bit dumb lmao

[cosmic bluff]

As far as I’m aware, AMD’s HIP drivers need some more work if they want to do some competing against Nvidia in the workspace game

[hot bough]

Thoughts regarding RTX 5080 Verto from PNY (refurbished) from Newegg at $1,050?

[past cypress]

ROCm on Linux is pretty solid now. HIP on Windows is... not good though

least on a 6900 XT

[lofty geyser]

any good GPUs in 200$ budget?

[lone pond]

I hemmed and hawed at refurbished cards for weeks. Missed the chance to buy a rog 4090 for $2099. Finally decided I wasn't sure I was okay not getting a full warranty just to save a couple hundred dollars

I ended up buying a tuf non oc rtx 5090 for $2759. Then immediately started to panic because I'm worried they'll make the 5080 super be within spitting distance of its performance. Of course I know super releases have been crap in the past. But, they're actually strapping more vram to these so they might be doing something

[hot bough]

What's the expected release?

[lone pond]

I want to say fall of this year, but there's no hard release as far as I know

[hot bough]

As for patience, I am not in any real rush since I just upped my native FPS in Rivals from low 80s to very consistent capped 120fps with a $--- ton of ram tuning.

[lone pond]

I wasn't aware tuning ram could deliver that much more performance

Were the initial tunings slow to begin with

[hot bough]

Well 90% ram and a few light changes to how the CPU accesses / handles ram.

[lone pond]

I'm not up to snuff on how newer ryzen interfaces with ram and how to tune it

[hot bough]

248 > 270 > 298 thousand were the major milestones I hit using Karhu to check speed.

248 was XMP with 6400 1:1

[lone pond]

Haven't heard of that benchmark

[hot bough]

It's paid software ($10) but with a small addon I can check current (avg) and peak speed of the tests.

[lone pond]

I'm going to buy a 48gb g.skill kit with super low latency

First word latency is around 8 point something ms

[hot bough]

I got lucky and attained what I'd be bold enough to call a borderline golden sample with my memory controller.

Most 7000/9000 series cpus need around 1.27 SOC voltage to do 6400 1:1 (synced). Mine can do 6400 1:1 at 1.165v. Though to get Nitro settings stable I had to bump them to 1.195v.

[lone pond]

(2X 24GB) 6000MT/s CL26-36-36-96

8.667 ns

[hot bough]

Make sure it's Hynix die

[lone pond]

It's an expo kit

Oh

I'd have to look it up

[hot bough]

Expo doesn't matter if your going to manually tune it which I'd be happy to help with in #overclocking as I leak seeing how different hardware work.

[lone pond]

I was only into Samsung b dies from back in the day. I know nothing about hynix m or whatever dies are considered good

[hot bough]

Teamgroup sells 2x24 kits that specify exactly which die they use, gimme a sec.

[hot bough]

DDR5 Samsung = bad. Hynix A or M = best

Micron = okay but not good

[lone pond]

Here's the model number
F5-6000J2636H24GX2-TZ5NR

[hot bough]

Unfortunately since it's G.Skill that only gives timings, not the actual ic which you have to buy to read the label for the IC number.

[lone pond]

I'm a g.skill loyalist. I prefer how their kits look. I won't consider other kits for that reason

[hot bough]

Which CPU?

[lone pond]

I'm deciding between a 9800x3d or 9950x3d

[hot bough]

Are you willing to risk melting plastic with those dimms without active cooling?

[lone pond]

Didn't plan on much OCing so I was going to get a asus x870e-e mobo

I understand the apex is better for ram tuning because it only has 2 dimm slots

[hot bough]

Hynix A and M can daily 1.7v with enough cooling, others have done 1.9 but that requires a obnoxious amount of cooling in the form of waterblocks.

[lone pond]

For the price these kits are, I pretty much planned on running expo, at least until I understand or see a benefit to tuning for my needs

If I got the standard non rgb kits, it wouldn't care about brand, cooling or anything

[hot bough]

I have tuned 2 separate 7950x3D, 7950x, and now my 9950x3D. My experience is this. If you are patient enough, you can generally squeeze at least 5-8% higher max fps and gain a massive bump to 1% and 0.1% lows on DDR5.

[lone pond]

Does it feel like it mitigates any stutter or makes it feel smoother

[hot bough]

granted all my experience is with Dual Rank sticks (which 2x24 is Dual rank like my 2x32).

[hot bough]

Easily reduces stuttering.

which as a result = much smoother experience.

[lone pond]

That's something I'm interested in then

I had a 5800x3d, 4080 and 3600 cl 16 memory and everything felt really hitchy

[hot bough]

I wish to emphasize, if you want to try your hand at ram OC I would be happy to help but your going to want to get different heatspreaders.

[lone pond]

I'll keep that in mind. Appreciate the offer

Right now I'm trying to decide if I should cancel this 5090 or not

[hot bough]

What's your budget for 2x24?

[hot bough]

Honestly if your lucky enough to get a 5090 I'd say keep it.

[lone pond]

My budget is north of $250

[hot bough]

Oh way more than what I was gonna recommend.

https://www.amazon.com/TEAMGROUP-T-Create-Overclocking-7200MHz-PC5-57600/dp/B0C4NNRC56/ref=sxbs_pa_sp_search_thematic_btf_sspa?

That's guarenteed Hynix M die and a good bin.

You will want to drop the frequency for 1:1 as there is no chance in hell anything above 6600mhz will be stable 1:1

[lone pond]

Just not a fan of the spreader. Thats more suited for a asus pro art build

[hot bough]

If you get a good IMC go for 1:1, if you have a good board but bad imc go for 2:1

[hot bough]

What style are you going for?

[lone pond]

Every pc I've built just kind of looks like this first one i did

I can't post the pic. Here's the post on pcpartpicker.com

[hot bough]

Are G.Skill royal sticks or non rgb an option? If your going to get RGB, at least the royal sticks from g.skill are usually binned better.

[lone pond]

https://pcpartpicker.com/b/z7XPxr

Not a super huge fan of royals

[hot bough]

Wondering because I haven't heard of a single incident with melting plastic with the royals and are binned better.

[lone pond]

I'll have to look more later. I've got to head to class now and then work, so I'll be back later. Thanks for the help

[hot bough]

Kay, you can always find me in #overclocking, feel free to ping.

Have a good one.

[ancient sparrow]

How safe/reliable is buying open boxes in neweeg, even though the gpu is relatively new such as the 5080

[craggy condor]

very

[craggy condor]

what model is it, out of curiosity? some of the aibs don't seal their boxes, so any unopened returns have to be sent to open box

[hot bough]

My first PC was a open box from Newegg, every thing came working and I am still reusing the GPU now 4 almost 5 years later.

[vital oriole]

anything open box is basically new

they're just returns

opened, looked, (and maybe a little tested) returned

[hot folio]

replaced with a brick

[spare relic]

If it doesn't have grout on it it's probably new

[naive flicker]

I wanna build a wall using just gpus

[spare relic]

load bearing?

[naive flicker]

Ye

[spare relic]

gulp

[naive flicker]

?

[wheat pewter]

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[wheat pewter]

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[idle bison]

What cards compare more closely to the 9060 XT 16 GB?

[spare relic]

the