graphics-cards

[odd siren]

No give us more of that lol

Easy games are good games

Save me any of that monhun nonsense

Run high settings on wilds and it looks like an upscaled switch game

Lmfao

[peak swift]

It's impressive how bad it runs

[odd siren]

Truly lol

[peak swift]

I tried the benchmark tool to compare before and after my upgrade

My 2080 super had an avg fps of 28 and it called it "playable"

[odd siren]

2080S you would've like tripled the fps

[peak swift]

Pretty much yeah

[odd siren]

[peak swift]

The 5070ti came in at around 95 fps

[odd siren]

Oh wow wasn't far off at all

3.5-ish yeah

[peak swift]

I still wouldn't recommend the 50 series cards above msrp

[odd siren]

Welp, game plan for me is to preorder a 9070XT, sell a 6900XT as is

[peak swift]

I was lucky to get mine on launch day but all the AIBs have already started raising prices

[odd siren]

Gonna mess around with a sapphire I think

[odd siren]

Yeah I am still gonna stick to "Avoid not msrp"

This artificial shortage is just companies playing king with stock

It'll fix itself soon enough

In the meantime 2025 flagship phones run better than steam decks

So there's always a plan B

Lol

[peak swift]

I swear idk what I'm supposed to do with my phone's horsepower

I don't want to play real games on it lol

[odd siren]

I bought a kishi v2 a couple years ago and I was using it to stream moonlight from my 680M

The phone is now as strong as the 680M so I'm gonna download a ton of games and save it for travelling

Ez

I bought a $70 controller attachment lol

GaN charger next when I upgrade the laptop

At least 50 series laptops have hope

Optimus is supposed to be a big gain for Nv

5060m getting huge gains over the 4060m is the rumour mill on that one

Only one leak to suggest it tho

I would be fine with a 4060m tho

[dusk nexus]

Yea that’s at the highest settings right? I’d def be willing to turn down to medium if it meant I could get close to 100 before using FSR/DLSS my actual worry is the fact that one of the games I play the most literally has FsR1.. which means at 4k I might as well be using my 3080…

[odd siren]

PoE 2 runs really easily without

You'd likely get a lot of 4K fps out of a 9070XT

[dusk nexus]

Lmao I love that you knew the game

[odd siren]

But that said PoE2 is also a buggy mess

[dusk nexus]

Oh 100%

[odd siren]

I've been reading...lol

[dusk nexus]

Majority of my time is between poe1/2 then just random stuff here and there

I have like 3k hours in 1 and 280 in 2

[odd siren]

If that's your jam and you think you could make that work for a few years, yeah

But if you don't see yourself playing that in even a year's time I'd pick a nice 1440p instead given the option

Oled is nice af and can be had for sub 500

Ok time to up and go

Good chat but I gotta use my time off while I still can lol

[dusk nexus]

Oh I’ve been playing poe1 since essence league with a few breaks I think that’s back in 2016. I also dabble in MMOs tho a lot. I currently have a 165hz 1440p the plan was to pass the monitor and GpU to the wife to replace her 5600xt bc it’s getting destroyed now

[odd siren]

Mmmm OLED still worth thinking about but those all sound light enough for 4K

Up to you tbh

1440p oleds are very affordable tho

[dusk nexus]

Just wanna make sure the card can actually handle 4k before I go and waste money, FSR just doesn’t seem to be that common sadly maybe I’m crazy tho

[odd siren]

And play very very responsively

[peak swift]

Yeah, I haven't seen 4k OLEDs go on the same sort of sales

[odd siren]

Anyway I gotta go lads

[peak swift]

Hopefully this year tho

[odd siren]

[dusk nexus]

Yea that’s my toss up currently

[dusk nexus]

Peace!

[dusk nexus]

Agreed I’m holding off till prime day which I think is June/July before I buy a new monitor I wanna see if anything happens

[dusk nexus]

Also how is asrocks GPUs? I really wanted a white GPU and they look like the only MSRP model

[odd siren]

Excellent if you avoid the challenger

Challenger is the bare minimum cost sku

Functionally usable but bleh

Mildly better than a ventus

[dusk nexus]

It look e like they had the steel legend as there “base” or msrp model

[weary glade]

what gpu manuf should i get from for the 9070XT

[keen nacelle]

Whatever is reasonably priced

Sapphire xfx and power color are probably preferred, but that doesn't make the others bad

[odd siren]

Any that's msrp as much as possible

[weary glade]

i hope to god asus doesnt over price their cards

well wtf am i saying, ofc they will

[forest oasis]

lol

[weary glade]

ugh

i hope this card will be relatively better than my Vega 64 LOL

[peak swift]

The ASUS tax is real

[weary glade]

it sucks 2

cuz i "fricken" love asus

[peak swift]

I don't really like MSI

But I couldn't turn down getting one of their cards

[weary glade]

thats valid

[peak swift]

No sales tax is so huge for me

Legit saves me 80 bucks on a 5070TI

[weary glade]

thats completely valid

a pretty good chunk of money

i dont rly get why asus charges so much extra comparatively

[left quiver]

The words asus and reasonably price don't exist together

[olive bobcat]

Real

Asus will always have more expensive cards

[peak swift]

The real problem is that now the other AIBs are following suit 😭

[left quiver]

isnt that unavoidable? they want profits n the gooberment prints money....would it be strange to pay for an RTX 9090 $15,000?

msrp?

[random walrus]

Blaming gpu prices on the government printing money is hilarious when it's clearly a matter of high demand + low stock + tarrifs put in place by the government

[peak swift]

Yeah if the government really prints that much money $15000 GPUs are gonna be the least of our problems

[livid idol]

Only 15k? Nvidia is charging 25k for some of the AI targeted models

[olive bobcat]

Really glad low end used gpus and still dropping in price though. Like 580s, 1660s, and 10 series

[keen flax]

Right now, which is the 1440p GPU to get to upgrade from a 3070? 8GBs of vram ain't cutting it anymore for new releases, I'm struggling to get 60fps on MH wilds and similar newer games.
From what I've seen the 5070 is pretty much a worse 4070 super, so the only real choices are the 5070ti and the 5080.

Would a 5080 be worth the extra $250 over the 5070ti for 1440p gaming on high-max settings?

I might be upgrading my CPU to a 5700x3d as well, to not bottleneck the GPU as much as it would be with the 5600x lol

Another concern would be, is my 750w PSU enough for any of those two gpus?

[peak swift]

750w is enough for the 5070ti, I think Nvidia recommends 850w or more for a 5080

[keen flax]

Thanks, do you think the 5600x is enough for the 5070ti until I can upgrade the whole platform (Mobo/cpu/ram) in a year?

Or should I just get a 5700x3d ahead

[peak swift]

The 5080 at $1000 is technically a worse value proposition, 15% more performance for 25% more cost

[keen flax]

That is true

[peak swift]

But I haven't seen a 5080 in stock for that price, most are going for $1250 or more

[keen flax]

And the 5080 is more aimed at 4k than 1440p as well

I just want something that'll keep me happy at 1440 for like 4 more year like the 3070

[peak swift]

Going from a 2080 super to a 5070ti got me from ~30fps to ~90fps in the MH Wilds benchmark

[keen flax]

Yep that's stupidly expensive lol

[keen flax]

Damn

That's what I'm looking for lol

Atleast 60+ fps steady

Bc I get more or less 40fps but it's way too unsteady

[peak swift]

Might be worth waiting for the 9070xt too, that is supposedly within 2% of the 5070ti for $150 less

[keen flax]

What worries me is that most games are better optimized for Nvidia

And AMD drivers were kinda bad before, I'm not too sure how they're doing now

[keen flax]

Also what settings do you use?

[keen nacelle]

Depends on the model

The 9070xt is looking very very promising, and games are far better optimized on amd cards than they were 5+ years ago

[peak swift]

I compared high settings with no RT and no dlss, and then ultra settings with RT and dlss. Results were roughly the same (28-35 fps to 90-95 fps avg)

[keen flax]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/79tQzy/corsair-rm750x-2018-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020179-na

This one

[keen flax]

Damn that's really good

I think I'll just get a 5070ti then

Which are the better cheap models rn?

I always went EVGA before 🥲

I miss them

[keen flax]

Is that at 1440p

[peak swift]

Yes

[keen flax]

Nice

[keen flax]

Well I'm not getting it this month though haha

I'll probably be getting it after the 9070xt launches so I'll be able to compare them beforehand

It's not like there's any in stock either lol

[keen nacelle]

Yes you're fine

One of the best psus really

Should handle 5700x3d/5080 even

The 4090 is fine on a 750w rmx with a 7800x3d

[keen flax]

Yeah I don't have any complaints about it, hasn't given me any issues even with the bunch of power outages I get in PR

I do have a surge protector and battery backup

[keen flax]

Damn lol

One thing is that I can't find any 5700x3d or 5800x3d for a good price anymore

[keen nacelle]

I would look at the price difference between a new 7600/x build with a new gpu

Instead of upgrading cpu

with reselling your parts it should end up cheaper than a cpu swap

[keen flax]

I remember the 5700 went down to like 180 and I didn't buy it thinking it would go down more s couple of months ago

[keen flax]

I'm thinking of keeping most of it except GPU to make a Nas

When I make a new build that is

[keen flax]

And I'll learn from my mistakes and go for the higher end cpu this time lol

[keen nacelle]

Wdym?

7600/x is a tiny bit better than the 5700x3d

[keen flax]

Probably go for the 9800x3d

[keen flax]

Oh sorry I mean like compared to the current ones

[keen nacelle]

Ah ok wasn't sure

[keen flax]

I went with the 5600x back then bc of the shortages in 2020

[keen nacelle]

Yeah 9800x3d is about 35% better than the 7600/x for games

[keen flax]

I would've gone 5800x if it wasn't for that haha

[keen flax]

Yup

[keen nacelle]

The 7500f is also an option, $120-130 on aliexpress and its an igpuless 7600

And then you can just swap cpu later

[keen flax]

Ohhh nice

Didn't know about that option

But I'll probably just upgrade my GPU ahead before I go for cpu/Mobo/ram

Sweet spot rn for ram is 6000mhz right?

[keen nacelle]

Yeah 6000c30

Any ram 5600c32, 6000c30, 6000c32, 6400c32 honestly, it's all the same two ram dies

6000c30 is normally the cheapest tho

Example
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jBtVfd

Could go for a more expensive motherboard but performance wise it'll be the same

@hardy sleet
https://www.ebay.com/itm/126974618685?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=I8ORr0BxSt6&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[keen flax]

I'll probably go for something like this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8Gs2VF

[keen flax]

Yep

[keen flax]

I like having my nvme slots haha

[keen nacelle]

Def not the drp

Super overpriced version of the a620

[keen flax]

Really?

[keen nacelle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bGfxFT/msi-mag-x670e-tomahawk-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-mag-x670e-tomahawk-wifi

And that has 4 m.2s if that's enough

[keen flax]

I've been super disconnected with PC parts besides CPUs and gpus for the past 5 years lol

[keen flax]

It is haha

[keen flax]

So that a620 for just under $35 is good for a 9800x3d?

[keen nacelle]

Yep! Or the phantom spirit 120/Peerless assassin 120 from thermalright

The drp4 and noctua nh d15 were good for their times, but they're outdated and overpriced atp

[keen flax]

My knowledge stayed back when they were the best haha

[keen nacelle]

Lol it's not uncommon

[keen flax]

But your choice would be the a620 for the best air cooler?

[keen nacelle]

A dude over in build chat had an NH d15 in his list 5 min ago lmao

Yep

[keen flax]

Damn and it's so cheap too

[keen nacelle]

I've suggested it in dozens of 9800x3d builds

The only time it won't be sufficient is if you plan to cpu overclock

In which case you need an aio

[keen flax]

Nah I'll leave it stock like rn

[keen nacelle]

You can look on yt for a620 reviews on the 9800x3d

[keen flax]

What cases are recommended now? I just want abig easy to work in case with good airflow in black

[keen nacelle]

Phanteks xt pro is cheap and solid

[keen flax]

Is the 5000 airflow from Corsair still good?

[keen nacelle]

Only comes with 1 fan

[keen nacelle]

Good but overpriced

[keen flax]

Eh that's fine

[keen nacelle]

Is there any type of aesthetic you like?

[keen nacelle]

More like average but overpriced lol

[keen flax]

I was going to say 2.5" slots for ssds but nvmes are getting cheaper than satas rn lol

And I would have 4 nvme slots

[keen nacelle]

Montech king 65 pro and xr are cool imo

[keen flax]

So not really just something that feels good quality with a type c port on front

Easy to work in and cable manage with good airflow all round

[keen nacelle]

Or
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zysV3C/lian-li-lancool-207-atx-mid-tower-case-lan207rx

[keen flax]

This is what I have rn
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZRTYbL

[keen flax]

Is that a mesh front?

[keen flax]

It looks really nice

[velvet grail]

its not that pretty but it works!!!

[keen flax]

Oh lol what GPU is that

1030?

[velvet grail]

@random walrus

[velvet grail]

redeon hd something

[keen flax]

Ohh okay

[velvet grail]

just to test the new m2 to x16 riser

hopefully the 1080 can live with a few lanes less than usual

[keen flax]

Wait m.2 to x16?

I didn't see that at first lol

[keen flax]

That's a really weird PSU location, but it should work great for cable management

This is really cool as well

I think my 3070's weight is hurting the pcie slot on my Mobo

Bc It sometimes doesn't boot and I'll have to push the GPU in a bit and then turn it on

[tough plinth]

why is there a red light flashing at the back of my gpu?

its a powercolor rx 5700

this one https://pcpartpicker.com/product/77TzK8/powercolor-radeon-rx-5700-8-gb-video-card-axrx-5700-8gbd6-3dhoc

[keen nacelle]

Yeah the Lancool 207 is pretty nice

Has great airflow w those fans at the front

2x140mm

[keen flax]

Yup, what kinda fan brand would you recommend me?

[keen nacelle]

I'd add one or two more for exhaust

Thermalright b12/b14 or k12/k14 for non rgb

[keen flax]

Yeah I'll just leave rgb off

[keen nacelle]

I think ct120 or 120mm with rgb, I'm not sure if ct140s exist

[keen flax]

I'm annoyed by my PCs RGB now when it turns on haha

[keen nacelle]

Lol I get that

[keen flax]

And I can't wait to get rid of icue

[keen nacelle]

My next build is going to be very lowkey

Yeah corsair icue is a nightmare

And their aios/non airflow cases really suck

Their psus are pretty solid but they techichally don't even make those lmao

[keen flax]

Yup

That's thanks to seasonic

[keen flax]

Yeah I want to make something all black

Maybe except the GPU bc some are gray and I'll just get the best cheaper one I can get

[peak swift]

Just get a glassless case and then it doesn't matter what color the parts are

[keen flax]

that is true haha

but all black looks cool lol

[keen flax]

I'll probably try to build something like this next year

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XkpZWc

but the gpu I'll try to get this year in the next 6 months

so it might be a 9070xt or a 5070ti or even a 5080 if i can

Also, damn those gen5 nvmes are super expensive lol

[keen nacelle]

Pcie 5.0 doesn't have real world use atm for 99.9% of people

I wouldnt spend $150 for 1tb no matter what drivr it is

[keen flax]

so a good gen 4 2tb is enough

[keen nacelle]

100%

Considering you value m.2 slots, id go for a 4tb as a secondary

Instead of 1+2tb

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XX88TW/western-digital-wd-blue-sn5000-4-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-wds400t4b0e

[keen flax]

true

so just a fast 1tb main boot drive and that blue as second drive

[keen nacelle]

Id do 2+4 you don't need a separate os drive anymore

As long as you leave 1-200gb free on the os drive

If you do really want a separate os drive yeah I'd do 1tb

[keen flax]

which good 2tb ssd would you recommend?

[keen nacelle]

It really depends on price when you're ready to purchase, but
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rjkWGX/adata-premium-for-ps5-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-apsfg-2t-csus

Or
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cqZ9TW/inland-performance-plus-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-329466

Assuming you need high gen 4 speeds anyways

For a normal gaming build it doesn't matter much

[keen flax]

oh so no Samsung 990 Pro?

[keen nacelle]

Nah overpriced and has some software mixed in thats killing themselves

[keen flax]

eh I just want it to game and homework/browsing lol

[keen nacelle]

Yeah ssd speed won't matter for you, you might notice a few second faster boot compared to the mx500 you have

Maybe games will open a tiny bit faster

[keen flax]

And these brands are reliable?

I haven't had any issues with Samsung, WD, SP, TG or Crucial so far, but I've never used adata and didn't know about inland

[peak swift]

Wait, what's up with the 990 pro? I picked up a 4tb when it was on deep discount in November

[keen nacelle]

If its still fine it's fine

[keen nacelle]

Inland I believe is an OEM for other brands but I'm not certain

[keen flax]

Ohh okay

Thanks again for the help, I'll probably get the GPU in the following months, and then upgrade everything else in the next year.

For the 5070ti what brands do you recommend that have decent coolers?

[keen nacelle]

With 40 series it didn't matter, I'm not sure abt 50 series

If there's a ventus 2x hard pass

[keen flax]

Oh for sure lol

Definitely not a 2 fan one

[keen nacelle]

There can be good dual fan 5070 tis

The ventus is just bad on top of being 2 fan

An asus dual 5070 ti would probably be fine, if it exists

[keen flax]

Would this Asus be good?
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Cpbypg/asus-prime-geforce-rtx-5070-ti-16-gb-video-card-prime-rtx5070ti-16g

It's basically mrsp (when in stock)

[keen nacelle]

Yeah

[keen flax]

Or this pny
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XRvscf/pny-oc-geforce-rtx-5070-ti-16-gb-video-card-vcg5070t16tfxpb1-o

[keen nacelle]

Also fine

[peak swift]

The only one I've seen that looks worse is the Ventus 3x 5070TI. The rest of the msrp models perform basically the same

Although I'm still confused about that Ventus. It was treated as the msrp model for reviewers but at launch MSI's only msrp model was the Shadow which I did not see any reviews for

[weary glade]

facts

[left quiver]

Let me fix that for you High Demand+Artificially low stock+bad policy +plus intended inflation of currency = high prices. It all comes down to policy...so what's your point?

[random walrus]

...that overall USD inflation isn't really that bad?

[left quiver]

We talking about cooked up numbers or real inflation?

[keen nacelle]

there is a global recession

[junior locust]

It's not quite inflation that's the problem with the US
It's a generally slumping economy and high cost of living

[keen nacelle]

the USD has devalued less than most other countries currencies since 2019

[junior locust]

America is legitimately doing fairly well

Even if some of the recovery decisions were

[keen nacelle]

depends who you look at

[junior locust]

Somewhat questionable

[keen nacelle]

the economy/stock market, or the lower and middle class

[junior locust]

But the US is still in a relatively good spot compared to for example most of Europe

[random walrus]

"muh guvernment prints money" is stupid to say when the major factors are corporations creating low supply and taking advantage of high demand

[keen nacelle]

the lower/middle class are kinda screwed in the US

[left quiver]

Who is doing well? Wallet street? Investors? They yes, 100%. Everyday person? No so much....

[keen nacelle]

i know it's not any better in a lot of other countries

[keen nacelle]

100%

[junior locust]

And the US is a de facto protected market for tech stuff

[peak swift]

It really depends on your point of comparison

[junior locust]

Like if US peeps are upset that tech stuff is expensive

Trust me the EU has it way, WAY worse

[keen nacelle]

compared to 2012-2016 the US is far worse off rn for the average person

multiple things caused that

[junior locust]

But compared to the 2025 average person in the EU it ain't actually bad

[keen nacelle]

including covid

[peak swift]

Agreed, but even then I still don't think the average US person is doing worse than most other countries

[junior locust]

But yes TLDR everything is screwed up everywhere

[left quiver]

Well it's like it was said before it's all relative

[keen nacelle]

Yes and no, like he just said it's all relative

a lot of other countries have much lower wages, but you're less likely to go hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt

[peak swift]

This is true for most countries though

[keen nacelle]

since covid yeah

[left quiver]

The markets will adapt, but inflation is a feature of the system. That why I don't put it past nvidia or anyone to charge 15k for a rtx 9090

[keen nacelle]

there's a worldwide recession

but the funny thing is

companies have been doing great

they set record profits year after year since 2020

[junior locust]

Eeeeeeeeehhhh

Only select ones

Small to middle sized businesses are dying off

[keen nacelle]

yes

im talking corporations

[junior locust]

While the big ones (who can game the system) are thriving

[keen nacelle]

keloggs, nestle, a lot of grocery companies

[left quiver]

Well yes because companies value of their stock increases faster than inflation specially if they are the first ones to get a piece of the printed pie....

[junior locust]

Like when you can just
Outright buy politician votes
You're gonna have a good time

[peak swift]

Inflation at the level we have right now is actually good. Maybe not the inflation we had a few years ago, but things like deflation are not something we want

[keen nacelle]

not how that works

companies price gouged because of all the shortages and the insanity during the pandemic

[junior locust]

Ultimately the best would be a stable, balanced currency with a SMALL inflation

But that'd require a balanced budget and that's just not a thing anymore

[keen nacelle]

and they haven't been lowering prices, while they've been paying less and their stock issues have mostly dissapeared

a certain candidate wanted anti price gouging laws but yknow

that's communism ofc

[junior locust]

Again
You can't average out at this point

[keen nacelle]

what?

[junior locust]

Cuz businesses are not able to turn a profit
While megacorps are as they just get to bypass regulations (or even worse weaponize them against any potential competition)

Like the small shops just
Died out

[keen nacelle]

yes

i have said i agree with that

[junior locust]

We really need to put a distinction between the two

[keen nacelle]

we already did?

[junior locust]

Cuz otherwise it's distorting the image

[keen nacelle]

.

[left quiver]

We had shortages because supply lines are elsewhere or not diversify to minimize risk....so once again....it's policy be it corporate or goobermental

[junior locust]

I mean the wider populace

Not specifically you

[keen nacelle]

we had shortages because... there were shortages?

[junior locust]

For the record

[keen nacelle]

suez canal, covid regulations, people dying and jobs being left unfilled

yknow

[junior locust]

Back during COVID

[keen nacelle]

covid things

[peak swift]

Like we had shortages because factory workers all got sick and couldn't work for a month

[junior locust]

We knew for a fact that stores actively withheld inventory of items that were price capped here

Like flour

That was the most blatant

[keen nacelle]

90% of our products are imported

[left quiver]

Imagine we(USA) didn't finance gain of function research in China, would covide had happened? ....sigh one again it was policy...

[peak swift]

Those workers got sick too?

[keen nacelle]

LMFAO

[keen nacelle]

ye ik

wasn't disagreeing sorry

i misread kinda

[junior locust]

Govt put a price cap on flour to prevent gouging

So suddenly, every store just automagically ran out of flour and said they don't have stock at all

While the storage had pallets of the stuff

[peak swift]

I have no idea what this is saying

[keen nacelle]

im all for this type of talk bet lets keep from racist conspiracy theories

[keen nacelle]

he's essentially saying covid was made in a lab

[junior locust]

I mean

[left quiver]

[junior locust]

It's a documented thing that it WAS

[left quiver]

It's confirmed by now

[keen nacelle]

aight man

[junior locust]

It's not a naturally occurring strain

Never was

[peak swift]

Oof, I think that's my cue to leave this conversation

[keen nacelle]

same

[left quiver]

Anyways forget about covid, but it's all policy ...

[junior locust]

Sadly the lab that did the research juuuust happened to burn down when the UN asked for data

But this ain't the channel for that talk

5070 SUCC

[left quiver]

Exactly

5070 sucks

[junior locust]

50 series THE biggest flop I can think of

[left quiver]

Pls amd don't f it up

[junior locust]

Like
EVERY potential screwup and issues condensed into one dumpster fire is the 50 series

[left quiver]

I thought rtx 30s was

[junior locust]

They did most of the work at this point
It all hinges on stock to demand

If there is more than 50 cards at MSRP then AMD won already

[left quiver]

Wouldn't it be weird if we went back in time to get gpus physically now because of bots and scalpers?

Let there be 1k more micro centers all over!

[junior locust]

Make Microcenter go global

[left quiver]

Ooof not in US?

[junior locust]

Plop one down in Budapest and I'll actually ride the train 3 hours to get there

[junior locust]

Bumheck middle of nowhere post-Soviet Eastern Europe behind God's back

[left quiver]

Baltic?

[junior locust]

Worse

[left quiver]

👀 💀

[junior locust]

I'm like 50km away from the Ukrainian border

It's actually ass here

[left quiver]

How many kidneys u gotta sell to get a gpu there?

[junior locust]

Depends

9070 XT you might get away with just one
50 series at least 3

[left quiver]

Damn so you can at least get it delivered or you gotta go to a physical location?

[junior locust]

Nah you can only pick up in person

[left quiver]

I'd imagine you still get scalpers there? Or just dealing with non-existent stock?

[junior locust]

We get them pre-scalped

Like

The "used" cards are often cheaper than brand new in store

[left quiver]

Oh with he vat n such?

[junior locust]

Likely due to some VAT dodging

[left quiver]

[junior locust]

Nah
It's not US, so it's more
Then it'll be more because weak currency
Then VAT
And then store profits

It's like scalped 5 times before it leaves the store

[left quiver]

May god have mercy on my poor European friends

[junior locust]

Living here is truly awful

[left quiver]

[left quiver]

So realistically what would you be looking at in price for an RX 9070 xt there?

[rich cedar]

Did anyone see the new Nvidiot Meme card?

[left quiver]

?

[vale ore]

OMG I FINALLY GOT A B580!!!!
And at the normal price! I've been not letting myself buy from scalpers for weeks already.
Never heard of Onix, hope it's a good brand. I'd wanted an Asrock, but at this point I'll take what I can get to avoid paying scalpers.

I needed a new power supply for another computer I'm working on anyways, so I'm not even complaining about the combo deal.

[rich cedar]

the 5070

[keen nacelle]

Nice, psu is C tier so nothing crazy but not explosive

[random walrus]

$60 for a non modular c tier 650w kinda meh tho

Oh it's part of a bundle I see

[vale ore]

It's for a low end system, so perfect. Current PSU is so old, only has a single six pin for pcie card power

[vale ore]

I was wanting to get PSU for $10-$20 cheaper for the low end build it's for, but I'm OK with the $60.

[keen nacelle]

Lol

[craggy pier]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-that-makes-sense-to-me-gif-11887961687399429485

[livid idol]

Onix is a sub-brand of Sapphire
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/exclusive-amd-partner-reportedly-hops-on-intels-arc-bandwagon-new-onix-brand-is-seemingly-affiliated-with-sapphire

Should be fine

[dusk nexus]

so random ass question.. is there anyway to see if my GPU is doing something messed up with power? since these new drivers came out ive been having issues. i just loaded up some games tn and no issues so i decided to load up one of the games that started giving me issues this weekend and it sounds as if my GPU is producing insane amounts of like static? im not sure how else to describe it other than "zappy" or something like that.

running a 3080. its kinda an issue as there were 0 problems with this card previously

and its not even happening in every game

[random walrus]

Pretty sure the new drivers are doing that for a lot of people

@dusk nexus
#tech-industry-news message

[dusk nexus]

Well that’s fun. How do I rollback drivers tho? Like I get I can use the DDU thing but I only have 1 set of driver choices on the nvidia app

[random walrus]

I think nvidia (or maybe a reputable 3rd party) hosts downloads ov old versions, not sure exactly where

[dusk nexus]

Ight ill give it a solid look later this week. Fingers crossed I can land a 9070xt Thursday and this won’t be a big issue

[junior locust]

More than likely around a grand USD

Which is about the same money I can get a used 4080 for

[solemn panther]

Remember guys, don't buy a 5070/ti

[vale ore]

Only 12GB, for over $700?!

Why do ppl keep giving them money?

[odd siren]

Jesus

[keen nacelle]

lmfao

over 3080 pricing for 3080 performance 4 years later

we love ngreedia

[random walrus]

I mean, to be fair, the MSRP is $550 not $740

But yeah still not a great card

[keen nacelle]

I mean, this one's $650
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/NGG2FT/msi-gaming-trio-oc-geforce-rtx-5070-12-gb-video-card-geforce-rtx-5070-12g-gaming-trio-oc

Slightly better but imo should be much closer to $350-400

[heady turtle]

Pov amd to nvidia

[keen nacelle]

Im waiting for a 9060xt that matches the 5070 for like $350-400

[livid idol]

You'll be waiting an awfully long time since the 9070 non xt is already a close match to the 5070 non ti

[keen flax]

I think I found my GPU haha

9070xt looking very attractive for so cheap

I hope it's actually in stock 💀

And at MSRP or less than $100 over it

[velvet grail]

i still want my 27W of power amd took off my gpu

[keen flax]

Lol

My PSU should be enough to handle it right? https://pcpartpicker.com/product/79tQzy/corsair-rm750x-2018-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020179-na

With the 5600x until I eventually upgrade everything else

[keen nacelle]

I forgot how much worse the 9070 is than the xt

[nocturne marlin]

Hello, trying to help the wife. Best graphics card for the money? Open to used/refurbished to cleanly play Monster Hunter Wilds.
Her 1070ti just isn’t making the cut.

[keen nacelle]

What're you looking to spend?

A used 6700xt/2080 ti or better, specifically smthn with 10gb+ vram is good. Those two should be around 260

[nocturne marlin]

Thanks! 2080ti doesn’t seem like that big of a jump? Would prob be good for wilds, but prob only last a couple years?

[keen nacelle]

You can def spend more, the 9070xt comes out tmrw and is looking fantastic

used wise, 3080 12gb/3080 ti, 6800, 6800xt, 6900xt, 6950xt, maybe 4070/super/ti/ti super or a 7700xt+ 7000 series card

[keen flax]

What brands are usually good for Radeon cards?

I'm not too familiar with AMD gpu board partners

[junior locust]

Sapphire is S-tier

XFX is cheap but nothing special for most models (except the maglev fan ones, those are amazing but expensive)

Asus is aSUS as usual

Gigabyte is a thing

As is MSI iirc

[orchid stump]

Get whatever at MSRP, but if you want the best either the ASRock taichi or the XFX mercury OC

Those have 340w power limits ootb

[keen flax]

Alright thank you both!

[random walrus]

Where'd you see this? TPU doesnt show any models with increased tdp for me

I assume TPU just isn't updated yet

Oh they have a table in one of their articles

ASRock tachi not on there tho, hmm

Yeah their 9070xt list only has:
sapphire nitro + at 330W
Sapphire pure Rx at 317

So I assume they just haven't finished it yet

[livid idol]

They'll update when they get vbios files uploaded to verify limits

Usually within a few days of launch

[weary glade]

Guys what 9070 XT should I get 2moro

[peak swift]

Whichever one is cheapest

[forest oasis]

if msi made an armor 2x or whatever variant, don't buy that though

objectively terrible

[peak swift]

Sapphire Pulse is probably the msrp card from them so you can go for that. But I'm sure XFX, Asrock, etc msrp cards are fine too

[keen flax]

Alright so aim for sapphire if not asrock is #2?

[livid idol]

The MSRP models from them specifically tend to be the best ones yes

[keen flax]

Nice, if I buy it it'll be my first AMD card

I should only need to install AMD graphics drivers and remove Nvidia's right?

[livid idol]

They've gotten actually decent now too, even with moderate ray tracing on

[keen flax]

Yeah, I was really surprised with all the reviews today and on the last gen

[livid idol]

DDU the old driver using the "remove and shut down" option, then swap to the new GPU

?ddu

[neat venture]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[keen flax]

What pushed me towards AMD now was that huge price difference now as well

Basically as good as the 5070ti for $250 less!

[livid idol]

Nvidia pricing has definitely gone too far this time

But they don't care, gamers are a small fraction of their earnings

And people will buy it regardless of their price

Even if the gamers don't, the bots are

[keen flax]

Yup

What do I lose besides dlss and slightly better ray tracing performance?

[livid idol]

FSR4 is about as good quality as DLSS 3.5

So you're trading ray tracing for more memory

The buggy driver argument isn't valid anymore too, nvidia has just as many bugs

[keen flax]

Yeah I've been really affected by only having 8gb of vram on all the new releases

Indiana Jones for example was really well optimized and even yet I struggle to get 60fps with mid-high settings on 1440p

How about gsync?

I know AMD uses freesync

[livid idol]

It's all literally the same now for variable refresh

Microsoft and VESA standardized the VRR spec

So as long as the monitor is newer than about 2019 it should support both Freesync and Gsync

[keen flax]

Alright that's good to know

My LG 27GL83A and my C3 should work fine then

It even says that the monitor is free sync compatible on the description lol

I didn't see that

[random walrus]

Try looking at Digital Foundry's optimized settings video if you haven't already. I played through the game at closer to 80fps on a 3060ti with optimized settings (basically turn down every vram setting)

Or just wait and play it on a new gpu

[keen flax]

Oh really? I'm also limited by my 5600x though

[random walrus]

I don't think the 5600x should be a limitation in that game

The more vegetated areas will be lower, 60fps ish

Actually in the city you might be cpu limited due to the amount of npcs

[keen flax]

But I'm replacing my GPU first and then I'll build a new system next year

[random walrus]

Could also snag a 5700x3d

[keen flax]

Yeah it's mainly when I'm in places with lots of enemies and npcs

[keen flax]

I think I'm too late for that

They're crazy expensive now

[random walrus]

With a 9070xt your 5600x will be bottlenecking more

[keen flax]

I didn't snag one when they were $175 😦

[random walrus]

Oh yeah they're over 200 on Ali rn that's weird

I wonder if the stock is finally running out? Cause I assume AMD isn't actively making them

[keen flax]

Yeah I checked there too and they're $225+

It's crazy

eBay used as well

Anyhow, I'll just get when I can a 9070xt and if I somehow find a cheap 5700x3d or 5800x3d I'll snag that until I build a new PC and swap the GPU to that

I need to remember to get a GPU sag bracket too lol

Those 9070xt's look huge

Any recommendations on a good cheaper one?

[livid idol]

Oh good, there's at least 2x 20A fuses watching 3x 12V lines each

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HjnByG7AXY

Better then nvidia cards but still not ideal

At least you are less likely to melt and you'll get a fuse pop instead

Easy repair

[odd siren]

YESSSS

Sapphire with fuse redundancy big W

Cos the card has a fan under the connector so it's also actively cooled

[peak swift]

https://youtu.be/vfc3nhus12k

Basically, the 9070xt is 8% slower for RT benchmarks and 3% slower overall compared to the 5070TI for 20% less cost (assuming msrp)

[livid idol]

Seems to line up with other reviews

Only 8% loss with RT is much better then last gen too

[peak swift]

It's a pretty good showing

If they had a 9070XTX with similar percentage differences vs the 5080 I would buy it in a heartbeat

[livid idol]

They already said they won't though

Sadge

[odd siren]

I think I won't get a nitro now

I was hoping for load balancing

[livid idol]

Nope just fuses

[odd siren]

Who knows tho, the fuses have me not totally adverse at least

[livid idol]

It's only 350W so you'd need to do all the load on a single wire in each set of 3 to heat it up

If it does 2 wires in the same group it'll pop the fuse

[peak swift]

I think it has to be AMD/Nvidia to do the load balancing, the board partners can only do so much

[livid idol]

Nah power delivery is up to the PCB, it happens before it gets to anything sold by the core brand

[cerulean rover]

The pricing is a bit annoying though, aib cards already priced a good bit above MSRP

the 9070 that TPU reviewed is listed at $650, a whole $100 over MSRP, and the 9070xt they reviewed is listed at $730, $130 over MSRP

[keen flax]

Where can we see the other prices? I can't see any in newegg yet

[livid idol]

They say in the reviews

[cerulean rover]

Don't think the other prices are listed yet, only some prices are known via reviewers or leaked prices before or listings on manufacturer websites

[odd siren]

The DF one was the pure which is basically just a white msrp model

The numbers in that were pretty good honestly

Don't think there's a lot to worry about

[dusk nexus]

So what were the overall thoughts? I watched a ton of reviews today and it seemed like most had really favorable numbers other than HUB actually who had 9070xt losing to the 5070TI be close to 12% I think

I was hoping for a bit more uplift (closer to the 4080/4080s) to really be excited for an upgrade from my 3080

[peak swift]

The 5070TI is pretty close to the 4080/4080S and th3 9070XT is pretty close to the 5070TI

[dusk nexus]

TPU had the relative performance like 11% under. Idk maybe I’m crazy was hoping for closer to the 50% uplift vs the 39% it currently is listed at. Maybe I’m being greedy idk

FSR looks very good tho

[cerulean rover]

all very game dependent for this gen, no straight up wins for 9070xt

some places it beats 4080s, some places it is just equivalent to 5070

[peak swift]

Granted this is a premium model, but TPU is showing 5-6%
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-9070-xt-nitro/34.html

[dusk nexus]

Well both technically should be premium right? Oh nvm I’m thinking vs the 5070ti it loses by around 3%

[odd siren]

I would say their first party tests saying it's some 2% shy of a 5070 ti overall is fairly accurate

And I'd never normally say that

Intel was praised for theirs being good with the b580 but they left out a massive black hole of stuttery games

So you know, same could happen with AMD but I doubt it due to much betyer compatibility and drivers

[dusk nexus]

Do you think this card is an ok 4K card? Or not worth it? It seems like it was doing great at 1440 and something around 80fps 4k no upscaling I think

[odd siren]

Iirc for what you want to do, it'll be ok yeah

But just bare in mind it barely makes the cut at 4k now

In a couple years with new games it will be on the way out

[dusk nexus]

Would it be something I’d likely need to upgrade soon again

Ok that answered my question

[odd siren]

Ye if you change games and it's a new high end thing

Ye

[dusk nexus]

I’m kinda ok with that. I’ll be giving my wife my 3080 (assuming Nvidia didn’t kill it with the new drivers) so I don’t really wanna buy a new 1440 panel when I wanted to do a big 4k build in a gen or 2 maybe that’s silly thinking tho

[odd siren]

I would do that when it's time to pair it appropriately imo

Good oleds are sub 500

[peak swift]

I mean the 9070xt Sapphire Nitro is their most expensive version of the card, so it might be slightly better than an msrp model (I think the 9070xt Pulse is their cheapest)

[odd siren]

But up to you, if you think upgrading in 2 years is valid then alr

[odd siren]

It will be slightly better yeah but not night and day

[dusk nexus]

Yea I was hoping to grab either pulse or pure, I’m a sucker for the white lol. Other thought was the steel legend it looks good and I think is msrp

[odd siren]

I'm surprised no one is talking about the 9070 beating the 5070 overall

It's not as valuable but still a clear winner

12% less perf for 9% less money

[dusk nexus]

So you rec a 1440, ok I’m not buying a panel just yet either way so maybe I will see some sales.

[odd siren]

Ye

Try out 1440p first

Get a gauge of the numbers

Then let's talk 4K

Playing it safe >>>>

Always

[dusk nexus]

I have a 1440 now

[odd siren]

Ye

[dusk nexus]

Ohh

[odd siren]

Stick to that for now

[dusk nexus]

On the new card

[odd siren]

Ye you get me

Penny dropped lol

[peak swift]

With how long it takes AAA games to be made these days idk how many demanding games will come out lol

[odd siren]

Tons

We had maybe 2 dozen the last year?

[dusk nexus]

Did anyone do a MHW benchmark

That thing was destroying cards lol

[livid idol]

AAA no longer means "good" in any way

[odd siren]

Destroying and also running like ass visuals

[peak swift]

Right, it just means expensive and graphically intensive

[odd siren]

Lol

[livid idol]

It does often mean "unoptimized mess" which makes it seem harder to run

[peak swift]

My 5070TI blue screened once on that

[dusk nexus]

100% made me laugh eating the DF review of it

[odd siren]

Wukong was good tho, but it sadly needs to have better compatibility as a game

[dusk nexus]

Wtf I don’t understand

[odd siren]

Every pc crashes on mhw

Frame gen is the key cause

[dusk nexus]

I’m curious I see so many bad fps numbers on that game how is that a thing? Do ppl just turn it way down?

[peak swift]

I've had no issues otherwise, I think that game just has problems

[odd siren]

There are frametime evaluations of that game revealing really bad pacing

The game was not fleshed out

At all

Doesn't matter if they spent 8 years or whatever

[peak swift]

But it's still Capcoms fastest selling game ever

[odd siren]

Could care less when the screen is showing me the things I see

[odd siren]

It looks like an upscaled switch title

Like numbers aside (extremely popular franchise so I get it) the aliasing is so bad LOL

[dusk nexus]

Do ppl just play at low settings and lock it to 60 or something then? Everyone ik loved it but it seems like it kills hardware too

[odd siren]

People I know just cope

Crashing is a regular thing

It reminds me of fm8

That game fell off FAST

Same sort of issues

Like the game is mostly complete but the standing issues don't get resolved, people lose the replayability feelings

[livid idol]

60 fps is fine in games like that

[odd siren]

Oh yeah it is but is that a tolerable answer for a pc gamer?

Lmfao

NO

WE DEMAND 120 FPS

200 FPS

[raven wharf]

@odd siren

https://tenor.com/view/so-whats-the-play-whats-the-plan-what-now-what-to-do-american-soul-bet-gif-13857280

[odd siren]

?

Wym

[raven wharf]

Sapphire? Gigabyte?

few more hours

[odd siren]

I'm against nitro but won't be sad if it's all I get

[dusk nexus]

Fm8

[odd siren]

Pcb looks meh

[odd siren]

Forza motorsport 8

[dusk nexus]

Oh duhh

[odd siren]

Game had like 300K players on release or more

In 2 months

22K

Now

?

Think its like 5K

[dusk nexus]

To much?

[raven wharf]

so whats your plan for tmr

[raven wharf]

the power connecter

[odd siren]

12v high failure rate connector

[raven wharf]

he doesnt like the 16 pin

with good reason i should add lol

[odd siren]

Ya and I'm justified here cos I own a 4090

[livid idol]

🫠

[odd siren]

The amount of anxiety that cable gives

Not going through that again

[raven wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/12vhpwr-burning-gpu-connector-4090-melting-5090-melting-gif-5389376741907012594

[odd siren]

Anyway see how I go gavin

I'm thinking pulse or pure

If I get a good msrp one I'll be chuffed

They are giving the $600 ones away

$50 retailer rebate

So they have a good chance of not staying at $600

But if I end up with another model oh well

[raven wharf]

show me your fractal north case again that it would be going in

[raven wharf]

also chuffed is such a fun word idk why lmao

[dusk nexus]

so i thought the fear on that was due to the amount of power the nvidia cards were pulling no?

[raven wharf]

9070 XT can pull over 400 apparently

thats still alot of power through that kind of cable

[odd siren]

And amd is no exception

I guarantee it will happen

On minimum the taichi

[dusk nexus]

hmm ok, i thought it was bc the 5090 was pulling over like 600W at times

[odd siren]

The nitro is less likely but I still don't want to if I can avoid it

[odd siren]

The nominal power of the 5080 is 290W and it melted one

So uh

[raven wharf]

radeon is less efficient than geforce powerwise ignoring the 600w geforce cards lol

[odd siren]

Yeah

[dusk nexus]

lmfao wait r u serious?

[odd siren]

Yes

The 4080 had a case or two as well

[dusk nexus]

well i was unaware of that

[odd siren]

No 5070ti yet but I am betting it will

[dusk nexus]

i will be avoiding the nitro like the plague then

[odd siren]

Ya I don't say that for no reason lmao

[odd siren]

Avoid the taichi more

[dusk nexus]

no fuses?

[odd siren]

Same connector but no fan over it

The fuses help but less important

[dusk nexus]

ohhh damn ok

[odd siren]

Make no mistake the nitro is probably the best implementation of that broken ass spec I've seen that's not a 3090ti

But it's still problematic

[dusk nexus]

my targets were the pure, the white hellhound, and the steel legend

I think the mercury cards are gonna be priced at 850$ according to Jay

[odd siren]

Man new phone keyboard...

Got some crazy ideas this phone

[odd siren]

770

Honestly just aim as low as you can

Don't hesistate on a card

[dusk nexus]

r u sure? maybe im thinking after tarrifs

[odd siren]

People will really be after the pulse, that one will go fast

[odd siren]

770 is what HUB said they were

So idk

Maybe is tarrifs

Really like those xfx ones

They are another case of pics doing zero justice

Shame they don't fit in a north but that won't stop me

[dusk nexus]

849 is price in USA

[odd siren]

Sadge

[dusk nexus]

that card will be DOA

[odd siren]

Yeah no way is that worth

[dusk nexus]

749 pre tariff

[odd siren]

Also see how it says 304w tdp

[dusk nexus]

yea

[odd siren]

That's just nominal tdp

Igors lab has proper power graphs

It bounces up to about 450W normally

Spikes to 500 in torture tests

But that's the absolute max

[raven wharf]

do you have a front fan or anything you could take out to make it fit

[dusk nexus]

oh wow, an 850 should be good then right?

[odd siren]

So remember that, allocate 450W minimum for these cards

[odd siren]

Depends on your cpu but should be

[dusk nexus]

9800x3d

[odd siren]

Sadly no

Ur fine

[raven wharf]

honestly i would try a xfx card

i got my 6950xt to fit in my

montech case

and it was longer than what they said would fit

[odd siren]

Actually I could get a north then stick my xtx in it

[raven wharf]

wdym

[odd siren]

Maybe I will get an xfx

[odd siren]

Use the 9070 in the o11 air mini

Which btw

Only case I've liked from o11 for so long

It was seriously the best one

[raven wharf]

thats what your XTX is in currently? the 011?

and that fits in the north?

[dusk nexus]

also any new nvidia drivers? im scared to play games till i can wipe it clean

[odd siren]

Ye and ye

[odd siren]

Yes and they're also bad

[raven wharf]

what model is your xtx

[odd siren]

Stay on 571 latest

[odd siren]

Nitro

I also have a merc

[dusk nexus]

yea i already went to 572

[odd siren]

Dodgy dodgy

[raven wharf]

guh

i forget you have like

[odd siren]

?

[raven wharf]

gpus on

gpus

[dusk nexus]

whoops

its been giving me the static sound

[odd siren]

Lol why do you think I know so much

[odd siren]

Yeah roll back imo

[raven wharf]

ik ik it makes sense but like

[odd siren]

Like ALL nvidia cards don't like 572

[raven wharf]

i cant ever see myself using more than 1 gpu besides to have them on a shelf in my setup lol

[dusk nexus]

yea ill try to figure it out over the weekend i never had to use DDU. i was hoping they would fix it tbh

[odd siren]

I share them with family and friends

[dusk nexus]

im not sure how they can brick drivers this hard

like im legit scared to run my card in a game

[odd siren]

I don't use more than 2 myself at any time

[odd siren]

It would

[odd siren]

They rushed it

[raven wharf]

nvidia 2025 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 💯

they on a roll

[odd siren]

No known blackwell desktop samples were in the wild until like right before release

Only cooler samples

They stuffed the whole thing up

[dusk nexus]

honestly to blatent feeling of being disrespected by them this gen is what pushed me to AMD or nothing

[odd siren]

Ya

And wear that honestly

[dusk nexus]

the whole 4090 performance bs to start it

[peak swift]

There is more 9070XT stock than all 50 series sold so far

[odd siren]

Nvidia deserves the gut punch for this

[raven wharf]

[odd siren]

Like yeah no problem like nvidia but don't be brand loyal ever

[dusk nexus]

100%

[odd siren]

Give them crap when they stuff up

[keen flax]

oof I was about to update it haha

[raven wharf]

amd just made sense to me like why not have the same brand make both of my key components

[odd siren]

Which 50 series 100% is a stuff up

[odd siren]

Yeah really stay away haha. I've read a lot of issues about it

[raven wharf]

ryzen alone has made me sort of amd brand loyal they just seem so far ahead

[dusk nexus]

funny part is literally on stage they say Geforce gave them AI so AI comes home to Geforce. that the biggest joke i ever heard

[odd siren]

If you ask me, ryzen is good, it's still not intel stable yet tho

[dusk nexus]

i agree

[odd siren]

Intel has a real home advantage

They sit at the core of windows

[raven wharf]

my brother do we not remember intel cpus killing themselves not too long ago

[dusk nexus]

silly question i remember years ago there was the thing i think it was SAM is that what REBAR or w.e is now?

[odd siren]

I remember vividly

But that's a physical problem

I'm talking in general

[odd siren]

Sam is rebar

[keen flax]

Man I just wanna play wilds at a decent framerate while not looking horrible

is that too much to ask

[odd siren]

Really hard to promise that when it crashes on perfectly stable rigs

Lol

[dusk nexus]

ok so no added benefit from an AMD+AMD darn haha

[keen flax]

yep hahaha

[raven wharf]

ayy im finally vip role

[odd siren]

There's a negligible benefit

[raven wharf]

its a cool idea tbh

[odd siren]

AMD does a bit of driver trickery but it's too small to care about

Worth like $10 lmao

[raven wharf]

anyway what XFX model would you try felix

[odd siren]

Effectively negligible when we suggest hardware at hundreds

[odd siren]

Any if I end up with one

If I end up with xfx then you know I failed at sapphire

[dusk nexus]

makes sense i wasnt sure

and so ive never done launch day.. do i just have to spam refresh on Newegg around 8am EST? lol

[raven wharf]

is your gameplan sapphire -> xfx?

[odd siren]

Ye

Sapphire is king

[odd siren]

Not sure, I'd ask around

I'm not us based

Fal might know

[dusk nexus]

@livid idol what is the best way you rec going for one of these cards tmrw? would you say Newegg spam refresh?

[peak swift]

It's probably worth trying Best Buy too

They have a random queue system so it doesn't take as much focus

[dusk nexus]

ight so jsut would select the unit and then it would be good to go? ill be trying to set like 10 mins aside from seeing pts at work lol

ppl have been projecting supply to last like an hour so im hoping i can get it done in 10 mins

[peak swift]

There should be much more stock than Nvidia
https://x.com/HardwareUnboxed/status/1896424499400307150?t=PVW8JMN-cUlkMgt1zLrgaw&s=19

Hardware Unboxed (@HardwareUnboxed) on X

Fun fact: If you see 9070 XT's sold out shortly after release, it will mean retailers will have sold more 9070 XT's than all GeForce 50 series GPUs combined.
(this includes RTX 5070 stock)

X · Mar 3, 2025, 4:56 AM

[odd siren]

Fr

Which will just show how bad nvidia stock was

Nvidia can get stuffed this gen

I've spent tons on them, talked mad flack but I've kept up with their cards over the years

This time I'm proactively avoiding a 5090

[peak swift]

Maybe they won't have a queue because they have enough supply but it doesn't hurt to have multiple options

[odd siren]

I'll go buy a 9070XT instead

I don't even need one lol, gonna do it anyway

4080S performance for 600 is insane

[dusk nexus]

lmao that was my initial thoughts to, i was hoping the AMD cards were good so i could give them my money @odd siren

[odd siren]

I mean given my XTX experience I'm more than willing

[dusk nexus]

hmm new NVDA driver just popped up, how much worse could it be lol

[odd siren]

Do not

Lol

Stay with 571 until we know

Lmfao

[dusk nexus]

how much worse then static could it get? combustion?

im already on 572

[odd siren]

Coil whine as loud as a plane

[dusk nexus]

yea i have some pretty intense whine and a static sound

it legit sounds like electric

[peak swift]

You can always go back some driver versions

[dusk nexus]

yea im gonna have to figure that out this weekend

[odd siren]

?ddu

[neat venture]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[odd siren]

^tutorial

[peak swift]

It's not too bad, you just have to go https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/ and pick your card

[dusk nexus]

im actually rolling back to 572.47 rn, i didnt realize that was avail ont he geforce thing

i dont think i had this issue on that driver set

nope didnt solve it

before i roll it totally back ill have to record it for you. it legit sounds like electric noise

[keen flax]

Hm I just checked and I'm on 572.60

Don't have any actual issues atm

[dusk nexus]

yea i had no issues until maybe the last week or so. but its totally not something i could miss now

[keen flax]

I just noticed those 9700xt's have 3 connectors, i only have 2 right now...

Can I use both 8 pin ends of one of the cables for the gpu?

[keen nacelle]

Yeah that'll be fine

As long as you have a solid psu

That yellow background looks like corsair

And cables look like rmx line

[keen flax]

this one https://pcpartpicker.com/product/79tQzy/corsair-rm750x-2018-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020179-na

yeah rmx

I do have a set of these extensions brand new I can use to better route the cables

Atleast for the 24 pin and the gpu one since the 4+4 cables arent visible in my case

[keen nacelle]

Yeah you're all good, though you should have more than 2 pcie power cables w that psu

[keen flax]

I only got 2 6+2 gpu cables and the 2 4+4 cpu cables with it

[keen nacelle]

Weird

My rm650x had either 3 or 4 pcie power cables

Or im crazy

[keen flax]

the 24 pin, the x2 6+2 pin, the x2 4+4 pin, molex and sata

[keen nacelle]

Oh I am crazy

Lol

[keen flax]

yeah haha

[keen nacelle]

Anyways you should be good, if corsair has anything good it's psus

Their cables can handle some 2x their rated loads

9070xt being a 350w gpu, 3 pcie 8 pins can supply 450w+75w from the pcie slot

[keen flax]

so basically use one like this, and the other one just the single end

pic from google

[keen nacelle]

Yep

Im doing it on my 2080 ti atm with a worse psu

[keen flax]

Alright thanks!

[keen nacelle]

Np!

[keen flax]

Gpus should drop tomorrow at 8am est right?

[keen nacelle]

Just make sure you don't get a 12vphwr 9070xt. Theoretically it should be fine, but id be a little less confident using 2 cables instead of 3

[keen nacelle]

Thats what everyone's been saying in this server but I honestly haven't looked lol

Too broke to bother

[keen flax]

lol paypal 6 months without interest ftw if I get one haha

[keen nacelle]

Lmao

Im on a 2080 ti, I'm happy for now

[keen flax]

i shouldn't have this issue if I go for one of the msrp cards right?

[keen nacelle]

The only one I know of with it is the nitro+ but there could be others

[raven wharf]

you will buy 9070 XT

https://tenor.com/view/bart-simpson-hypnotize-hypnotized-gif-24774743

[keen nacelle]

I haven't been following specificities like that too much (is that a word?)

No

It isn't

Specifics

[keen nacelle]

Lmao I currently have $271 to my name

And $52 of nvidia stock

Meeting the dude who decides to hire me or not next Thursday for that IT job

[raven wharf]

nvidia is doing so well espically in there gpu side!!1!!

[keen flax]

Ah okay, I'm aiming to get the cheapest Sapphire or Asrock card I can get

[raven wharf]

that stock will surely go up

plus with tariffs?

[keen nacelle]

Xfx is also good

[raven wharf]

economy has never been better

XFX is my goat

[keen flax]

Yeah, I'll try to get it soon before tariffs bring up even higher prices

[keen nacelle]

Id say sapphire--->xfx---->asrock---->power color

[peak swift]

I think the asrock taichi has 12VHPWR too

[raven wharf]

is this some big time company or something smaller

[keen nacelle]

All in all it doesn't really matter much

[raven wharf]

if u dont wanna tell me

thats fine

[keen flax]

I've read here that the basic xfx card has some problems though

[keen nacelle]

9070xt is 9070xt

[raven wharf]

but my feelings will be hurt

[keen nacelle]

Small

Local company my dads friend helps run, but doesn't own