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[fast trout]

ik the 30 and 6000 series was horrible cause you couldnt find cards plus the mining thing

ive really only been present in the pc space like a yearish after 2020

[manic horizon]

I already cannot afford any 50 series why bother not jinxing it?

[fast trout]

fair

[sleek phoenix]

Statement from NVIDIA, apparently some 5070Ti are missing a ROP as we'll

"We have identified a rare issue affecting less than 0.5% (half a percent) of GeForce RTX 5090 / 5090D and 5070 Ti GPUs which have one fewer ROP than specified. The average graphical performance impact is 4%, with no impact on AI and Compute workloads. Affected consumers can contact the board manufacturer for a replacement. The production anomaly has been corrected."

[sleek phoenix]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ASRock/comments/1iui7lx/9800x3d_failuresdeaths_megathread/

TONS

SO MANY NEW GEN BOARDS ROASTING X3D

WE BACK

2022 IS BACK FULL SWING

@agile perch @cyan hamlet fyi^

X870E/B850/X870 and a small fringe set of X670/B650

Large amount of new gen boards killing 9800X3D

[agile perch]

Bro

Genuinely

What the heck is wrong with companies

Nvidia, intel, and amd have all had major issues of gpus or cpus disagreeing with life

How many food recalls are there atm?

Lysteria on our produce or something

Bird flu

Life is great

[sleek phoenix]

Lysteria on our hardware next

You watch

I'm ready for anything

Lol

[compact egret]

The Great Skill Issue of 2025

[fast trout]

What does this mean exact

exactly*

I’m on phone right now I don’t have time to full read

Asrock boards are somehow killing X3D chips?

[sleek phoenix]

@fast trout

Killing x3d

[fast trout]

Do they know why

[sleek phoenix]

Not yet

I might avoid the 9800X3D for a couple weeks until it's figured out

Kinda worried

[fast trout]

Knowing you I’m surprised you haven’t snagged one yet unless AU just hasn’t had good deals

Do you run Asrock boards?

[sleek phoenix]

I already have one wym

I meant avoid my current one

Also asus

[fast trout]

Oh pfft

I bet it looks nice sitting in the box

Ik you mentioned you have multiple PCs, are they all Ryzen or a mix of that and intel?

[sleek phoenix]

It's in the pc

I have multiple

The 9800x3d is in my gaming pc

[fast trout]

Oh you made it sound like you were avoiding buying the product all together

Sorry I misinterpreted what you meant

So how are you avoiding it? Just not running the gaming PC?

[sleek phoenix]

Ye

All good

But ye just avoiding it for a couple weeks

[fast trout]

ah gotcha gotcha

wait and see if they can figure out whats happening ig

also had this pop up in my recommended for some reason

https://youtu.be/WXRhzubF61o?si=ZKpSO1Dfhh_yFLL9

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-day-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-crazy-pepe-silvia-gif-27373442

seems like a stretch to me

[sleek phoenix]

Debunked

Frank azor denied himself

[fast trout]

yeah i saw that it was like the 9070 XTX XXXAXDADXX32.G or whatever he spammed lol

its interesting to see how vocal with responses he has been

[sleek phoenix]

Almost like he's the whole marketing team at this point

💀

[fast trout]

ong

these card are hideous ngl

XFX falloff

https://videocardz.com/newz/xfx-radeon-rx-9070-xt-mercury-magnetic-air-series-revealed-3-1-ghz-boost-removable-fans-and-three-8-pin-connectors

also apparently the missing ROPs are also on 5070tis

the ROP issue is like an actual physical hardware issue right? not something like software related? there are just like actually physically less of them than there should be?

[chilly moat]

unplug the led

[cyan hamlet]

Yes it's a hardware issue. They're a bad batch of chips that somehow passed QC.
The funny thing is the ROPs show up with the basic Microsoft drivers, then you install nvidia drivers and they're gone.

Lesson of the day: NEVER say "how can this get worse"

[fast trout]

tbh it seems like this launch was rushed with how low stock everything is so ig I can see how stuff maybe got past QC

[sleek phoenix]

I just-

What

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/1iv7277/my_5090_astral_caught_on_fire/

What

[compact egret]

Btw how's the AM5 socket burning shennaigans

Is that still a real issue or a skill issue

[sleek phoenix]

Real

[compact egret]

💀

[spice cedar]

Powercolor cards look genuinely good tho atleast

[fast trout]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-confirms-radeon-rx-9070-xt-reference-design-wont-be-available-for-purchase

the one card i actually liked

probably was an AI generated design ngl

[chilly moat]

When you look at it from that angle it does look fake

[chilly moat]

For those who dare

[sleek phoenix]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/physx-feature-unlocked-for-rtx-5090-with-rtx-3050-helper-to-enable-full-performance

[shut osprey]

WHOOAAAAA THEY ENABLED PHYSX AFTER DISABLING IT????

Crazyyy

Wait

No that's not what the article is saying

This article is insanity

[sleek phoenix]

PSA:
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-now-investigating-black-screen-issues-across-rtx-series-gpus

ALL USERS ADVISED TO STEER CLEAR OF ALL 572.XX DRIVERS IF NOT ON 50 SERIES.

Users of 30 series and 40 series are advised to roll back to older drivers using DDU should this issue occur. 50 series people will have to wait until further notice for a repaired driver (or alternative).

EDIT 3/3/25:

A number of reports of insane coil whine and unusual temperature behaviour have surfaced as of updating to drivers in branch 572.XX. Will update when I have more concrete information. This is a precautionary FYI, not considered resultant of the driver itself at this stage.

EDIT 24/3/25: Can now confirm the above information. All NVIDIA users on cards that aren't 50 series should avoid 572.XX completely. DDU and roll back to any other driver possible to avoid serious complex issues.

DDU tutorial can be found by typing "?ddu" into any channel on the server, or refer to this link:
https://youtu.be/bP-2B14Nckw

?ddu

[rancid olive]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[proper anvil]

this is freaking funny to me, because the same people who switched over from AMD because of "driver problems" are now facing something stupidly worse

and I know some will claim "Oh, nothing happened with my machine" or "Just a lil bug they'll fix it" bs

not trying to say that amd is any better though, just funny to look at the current situation

[spice cedar]

Bruh i was just playing and relaxing with my steam deck and i logged back into discord and see this 💀

Just checked my computer and yup thats the driver i have i will ddu tomorrow now ig

[sleek phoenix]

https://videocardz.com/newz/first-geforce-rtx-5070-ti-discovered-with-reduced-rop-count-88-instead-of-96

More defective gpus

[shadow heart]

This launch is insane 💀

Me five years later: "I never buy Nvidia because they have driver issues"

[fast trout]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-zaragoza-wayward-guide-untrained-eye-wwg-tcb-gif-22187457

nvidia really said how can we make this launch like actually the worst

and started just going down the list checking off boxes

[sleek phoenix]

They've ticked 6/7 major component issues so far

Only thing left is mechanical cooler design and they've actually screwed up everything this gen

And with all those liquid metal FE cards? Hmm...

[west saffron]

lmao luckily im on a pretty old version...

[cyan hamlet]

That's like a 10% drop in raster performance 💀

[cyan hamlet]

Here's a game developer's point of view on this situation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUY-EIclo40

He does have a point, there were games made not that long ago, 10 years or so, that used 32 bit cuda and they've turned into unplayable 15 fps stuttery messes on 50 series.

[shadow heart]

Hmmm might that increase performance, and therefore value, making Blackwell worth the purchase?

Or is PhysX that irrelevant

I might be asking the wrong questions

[cyan hamlet]

It's not, they're forcing obsolescence of games less than 10 years old and not warning developers ahead of time. Indie devs in particular might be targeting lower end hardware with their titles, which can require them to use older software.

There's still millions of people playing Skyrim and the LE version used 32 bit rendering

[manic horizon]

Solution: buy a 3050 and use it as a PhysX acceleration card, apparently

[cyan hamlet]

A 1060 would also do the job tbh

PhysX is NOT hard to run

[marble meteor]

My question is how does this pass QC?

Like if even the consumer can just boot up that program (forget the name, inspector?) and see the incorrect ROP count, how tf are they missing that in QC

[manic horizon]

It's somehow related to nGreedAI drivers

With the default Windows device driver it shows up normally

The ROPs only get fused off when the official Nvidia driver is loaded

[marble meteor]

Huh

[manic horizon]

Apparently

[marble meteor]

Ok interesting

[manic horizon]

And once the ROPs go, they're staying gone more than likely

Perhaps the driver has some accidental code that triggers that specific fuse?

[sleek phoenix]

No nvidia has confessed to a manufacturer defect

[manic horizon]

But then how can it show up initially before the official driver is ever installed?

[sleek phoenix]

The windows display adapter being 176 count is now a red herring

[sleek phoenix]

Red herring

[manic horizon]

???

I

Don't know what that means

[sleek phoenix]

Bait?

A ruse?

A driver can't fuse off 8 rops

[manic horizon]

I'm just speculating tbf

[sleek phoenix]

It would've been a soft toggle if at all

[manic horizon]

But my theory would be (hopefully) accidental code that somehow creates an environment that pops the fuse

But I'm purely speculating

[marble meteor]

This only affecting a fraction of them wouldn't really make a lot of sense though

[manic horizon]

I'm not saying it's likely

[sleek phoenix]

Would love nvidia cards to have more fuses but they in fact have less than ever this gen

[manic horizon]

I'm just trying to make sense of it

[sleek phoenix]

Lol

[manic horizon]

Irregardless of my speculation

This is a monumental cockup from nGreedAI

[marble meteor]

Agreed

[manic horizon]

Like there's only one element missing to put literally every possible failure of a GPU launch into one generation

And IIRC that's also hardcoded into the FEs...

@sleek phoenix you know what I'm thinking right?

[sleek phoenix]

No

Lol

The only thing left is cooler failure

Then they will have hit all 7

[cyan hamlet]

GPU-Z, and it reads the firmware from the GPU which doesn't require more access then the BIOS has to read

[manic horizon]

LM on the FEs?

[cyan hamlet]

Yes

[manic horizon]

Would that count as cooler failure?

[cyan hamlet]

Give it time and a vertical mounted GPU with LM will leak

[manic horizon]

TBF I expected that to be the main issue, not that Nvidia would speedrun all the other possible failure options

@cyan hamlet why laugh me I'm right

[cyan hamlet]

I'm laughing about the speedrun part

LM was just the first issue we were aware of since they talked about it publicly

[manic horizon]

I mean
Am I wrong?

[cyan hamlet]

But they managed to make everything else fail before the obvious one failed

[fast trout]

how long would something like that take

say the gpu is used under full load daily for a few hours on a vertical mount

[cyan hamlet]

It depends on how well it's sealed. It took about a year for PS5s that were supposedly leak proof to leak.

[fast trout]

PS5's use LM?

thats news to me

[cyan hamlet]

Yep and that's also why they have temperature issues after a while, it all goes to one side

[sleek phoenix]

https://videocardz.com/newz/first-geforce-rtx-5080-discovered-with-104-rops-8-missing-in-action

It now affects all of them

Every gpu model now has the bug

[fast trout]

how do you check your gpu stats like that

like this thing

[sleek phoenix]

Gpu-z

Download and open it

[fast trout]

this?

[cyan hamlet]

Yes

[fast trout]

I have more ROPs than that 5080

[cyan hamlet]

No the 5080 has more because you have zero

You have RBs

[fast trout]

whats the 128/320

[cyan hamlet]

Minor correction, you have Render Backends

Instead of Render OutPut units

[manic horizon]

IT GOT WORSE!!! https://www.youtube.com/shorts/SvCi8oHsLbc

[shadow heart]

Man I hate that guy

I swear

I wanna punch his face every time I see him

[fast trout]

ik

hes so annoying

i like the calm dude with the beard who talks to his clone

[sleek phoenix]

https://www.trendforce.com/news/2025/02/24/news-tsmc-reportedly-sees-cowos-order-surge-with-nvidia-securing-70-of-2025-cowos-l-capacity/

[naive robin]

amazing

we aer seeing cowos being adopted

[sleek phoenix]

This is where the alleged "stock surge" comes from

Nvidia paid big

[naive robin]

and ofc it's nvidia

[sleek phoenix]

The way this article reads

Feels like this is what should have happened 3 months ago

Maybe this is part the tale of why supply was so crap

Nvidia was holding back until the political climate was established

Bold strategy cotton

Didn't play out well lol

Fascinating

So CoWoS-L seems to be the process for full blackwell chips?

And then what we see leading from that is slices and downbins ig

I think I'm interpreting some of this a bit wrong, they're inferring the process is 2.5D/3D

Pretty sure 50 series is not

Lmao

There might be tangent info to it though influencing everything else

[manic horizon]

Wth is cowos?

[sleek phoenix]

Chip on wafer on substrate

L R and S imply the different methods

Now I'm not very good at this but I'll try, one sec

So the full A.I chips

I think they're G100?

Those are fully packed blackwell dies that are jammed with hbm memory on top

Then balled onto a pcb

CoWoS-L is the process of packing all of that onto the die

The blackwell chip and hbm together with an interposer that helps it all communicate

Desktop blackwell has been suggested multiple times to use downbin blackwell, and this is common practice. Many dies in nvidia and amd skus are cut down or sliced dies

Some maybe fused

[manic horizon]

I see

[sleek phoenix]

Others are purely made as is

This is how like

GB202

[manic horizon]

So it's like a super advanced fab thing

[sleek phoenix]

GB203

Get the name

Yeah

CoWoS-L is for the creme de la creme

[manic horizon]

So basically more GPUs going to servers is the gist

And we're hoping that means more "lesser dies" to go to consumer GPUs?

[sleek phoenix]

But because of the HUGE order, by tangent this means we will also see more desktop allocation is likely

Ye

So this by proxy is likely

Where that "stock surge" allegation comes from

This is the first real indicator of it

[manic horizon]

So TLDR nGreedAI making more chips is more gud

[sleek phoenix]

You'll never get a FULL blackwell die lurking on a desktop 50 card, they'll be sliced, fused, etc to make them work

Ye

It will potentially see the supply issues sorted in the next few months

[manic horizon]

A few months is a long time tbf

[sleek phoenix]

Ye it is

[manic horizon]

And the damage is pretty much already done
Maybe 60 series will be good tho?

[sleek phoenix]

Hence me wondering why this wasn't done 3 months ago

We normally see that before launch

But the political climate with trump probably is the reason

[manic horizon]

I think that was to do with instability and like
Uncertainty?

[sleek phoenix]

Lotta money in nvidia rn

Ye

They weren't sure what trump would do

Or even if he would get in

This is my reasoning for this, that is

But very plausible

And as a result, we had the trainwreck of a release instead of a 3 month delay

☠️

Hilarious chronology if true

[manic horizon]

I mean

It makes sense right?

Jensen made too much of a fuss for a delay that long

[sleek phoenix]

They should've done late 2024

Or mid 2025

[manic horizon]

Yeah timing was highly unfortunate

[sleek phoenix]

Instead the did right between to keep the hype up and failed spectacularly

[manic horizon]

But again
Commitments be like that

[sleek phoenix]

It makes so much sense

And because of this, we had the weird driver issues

Qc problems

Poor power issues

So many things electrically speaking having big issues

Makes it seem like they actually only had a few months to work on this

Cos a lot of blackwell samples used ada arch for the pcb

[manic horizon]

Actually hard rushed launch is crazy

[sleek phoenix]

I mean they reaped what they sowed

They have failed in almost every aspect

And the fact they still get people buying is insane to me

But not my money, is what it is

Lol

[manic horizon]

Ye I'm hard skipping 50 series entirely too lol

I can already hardly afford 40 series lmao

[sleek phoenix]

Jay had a great video yesterday (he's on a bit of a roll)

He tested load balancing on a cable over 100 insertions

The results were surprising and from an engineering standpoint actually very believable

Last pic is a 2x6 running live at 600W

So much for the "12vhpwr fix"

Smh

It didn't melt though

Which was an interesting takeaway

The results are excellent though, it demonstrates a working hypothesis that form fitment tolerance for the connector spec is AWFUL

And with time it in fact GETS BETTER

Due to wear and tear working out the interference of parts

Jay is jay

Like

People won't take him seriously here

But you could really run with something like this just to prove how messed up the spec is

[south mesa]

bruh

[sleek phoenix]

Some EE could turn this into an engineering report and it would be on the front desk of pci-sig's board the next day

Mechanically speaking this is a solid enough demonstration to conclusively prove this connector is fundamentally flawed

[south mesa]

with the amount of attention it is getting, that seems likely to happen eventually

[sleek phoenix]

More tests need to come out like this

Proving the spec intolerance

Igor's lab has a good article on the same topic from years ago

One sec

[south mesa]

known issue for years, and yet nothing being done about it? the heck?

[sleek phoenix]

https://www.igorslab.de/en/groundhog-day-the-12v2x6-melting-contacts-and-unbalanced-loads-what-we-know-and-what-we-dont-know/

Took a minute

This article is great

[sleek phoenix]

Thing is it's been written off for years as user error, when many repair shops and channels have been saying there's more to it

[south mesa]

corporate scumbaggery moment?

[sleek phoenix]

You can track back older failures and find connectors with no contact mark showing the connector wasn't in properly

[sleek phoenix]

More that they just convinced the masses

It's been called out repeatedly since

But it never caught traction like now

[south mesa]

This is the kind of thing that makes me distrust that spec to the point where idk if a fix would even get me to use it

[sleek phoenix]

And that's what engineers are saying

I agree with their takes too

A few have said 375W is a good enough limit

I've been saying 300W

Either way we all agree this plug has no FoS

[south mesa]

FoS?

[sleek phoenix]

(Factor of Safety, standard margin in ALL engineering, without it, things destroy themselves, like so)

[south mesa]

oh ok

[sleek phoenix]

Ye

FoS in engineering is typically suggested to be anywhere between

1.5x and 4x spec

Depending on the scenario

Sometimes way more

[south mesa]

The normal 8-pin connectors have a huge safety factor lol

[sleek phoenix]

The suggested spec tolerance is 1.1

Ye

8 pins have a safety factor of 1.8

Which is good

Actual safety goes well over that

In fact you could argue at 375W, EPS is safer than 12vhpwr

[south mesa]

the good old 8-pin has yet to let me down

[sleek phoenix]

Build EPS properly and it'll not let you down

[south mesa]

Seems like a case of fixing something that was not broken, and breaking it in the process

[sleek phoenix]

Well you look at what it was for the 3090Ti and it was built to the point failure was in fact difficult to do

They had 3 planes balanced by controllers so it was unlikely to have pins pulling abnormal power as easily

So even though at the time, the spec was worse, the utility of the spec had failsafes and controls

So it wasn't as bad in practice

[south mesa]

so load balancing?

[sleek phoenix]

Yes

[manic horizon]

Sadly it seems that AMD is adopting 12V2×6 with the 9070 XT

[sleek phoenix]

Load balancing is a very real suggestion

[sleek phoenix]

They already did with xtx

[manic horizon]

Did they?

[south mesa]

any chance on AIBs using normal connectors?

[manic horizon]

I thought 7000 was 3-pins

[sleek phoenix]

Asrock had several cards

[sleek phoenix]

Plenty

[manic horizon]

Nitro+ is alleged to be 12V2×6

3.1 version

[sleek phoenix]

So is taichi

But gigabyte 3x8

Pick your poison

[manic horizon]

I'd rather go 3×8

[sleek phoenix]

Or rather pick your remedy or poison

[south mesa]

same

[sleek phoenix]

Lmao

[manic horizon]

Just so much safer lmao

[sleek phoenix]

Ofc

Cos it was made properly

[south mesa]

My PSU also is not ATX 3.x

[sleek phoenix]

The original 12 pin spec was fine

It was 375W

Made for replacing 3x8

That turned to 12vhpwr

660W

1.1 FoS which is disgusting

And the spec doesn't even follow itself?

You need single core 16awg to hit spec

But the spec allows more than single core which is worse

[manic horizon]

Hopefully AMD will not hard force 12vhpwr

[south mesa]

At that gauge and voltage, multiple cores is stupid

[sleek phoenix]

GN pointed this out ages ago. If you can decipher the white paper for 12vhpwr it's disgusting

[manic horizon]

Unironically the IDEA behind 12vhpwr IS legit really cool

But the implementation is awful

[sleek phoenix]

But they need to keep up this momentum to really kill off or finally fix the dumb spec

[sleek phoenix]

Cos manus are being cheap

The original implementation worked

[manic horizon]

Ikr?

Anyhow

[sleek phoenix]

3090 Tis btw did melt

But not nearly as often

[manic horizon]

I feel like hardware market rn is absolutely shot

And it'll take time for the economy to heal

[sleek phoenix]

Those melted from H+ spec which is fixed

[manic horizon]

Guess I'll be keeping the 6700 XT for a while longer

[sleek phoenix]

It's just amazing how easy it is to paint a narrative here for this disaster

Lmao

[manic horizon]

It practically writes itself tbh

[south mesa]

9800x3d is my only recent HW purchase and I feel good about it

[manic horizon]

And it ain't even like any of it was something that PCI-SIG or nGreedAI could say "Well that was totally unexpected"

[sleek phoenix]

Same

[sleek phoenix]

They've had 4 years to work this out by now

It's been long enough

[manic horizon]

All of this was entirely expected by those who know their stuff (which isn't me but I can listen to people who do)

[sleek phoenix]

There's nothing to defend here it's just a bad spec

[naive robin]

"revised"

"boss let's just lengthen the contacts!!"

[sleek phoenix]

They put a bandaid on it in what felt like a week of work

[naive robin]

the fact that the gpu cannot sense overcurrent

is scary

[sleek phoenix]

But without the 5090 we may have never seen this

50 series proves just how idiotproof the design is

That it's not

At all

💀

[naive robin]

People first blamed it on the mod-diy cable

Turns out the psu side burnt too

[manic horizon]

Yeah 4090 was the first messenger
50 series is just the harbinger

[sleek phoenix]

The narrative is shifting to bad quality cables

3rd party is a red herring

[naive robin]

Fair enough

[sleek phoenix]

I've seen some amazing 3rd party

Hell

My original adapter

[naive robin]

Some cards have melted with included cables

[manic horizon]

But then now we see it's endemic to the spec itself

[sleek phoenix]

The first 12vhpwr

In my 4090 box

THAT THING

The supposed cursed adapter has better QC tolerance than a freaking corsair cable

[naive robin]

The material choices too makes it even worse

[manic horizon]

It's gonna be really interesting to see how it'll develop from here

[naive robin]

Molex stated that different metals are not optimal in connectors

[manic horizon]

Whether they'll ever actually "fix" the spec or if it's just getting killed off

[sleek phoenix]

They'll keep going with it until the issue blows up in their face

People still buy the cards

[manic horizon]

Has it not already?

[naive robin]

It has, but people are still buying the cards

[manic horizon]

Like there's already severe reputation damage

[sleek phoenix]

"That connector is so bad they should fix it" *buys 5080 *

[naive robin]

So it effectively hasn't needed attention

[sleek phoenix]

People are nvidiapilled

[manic horizon]

Isn't 80 class still "safe enough"?

[naive robin]

Cuz those same people are gonna buy it anyway

[sleek phoenix]

Melted already

[manic horizon]

OMFG

[sleek phoenix]

5070 Ti is "at risk"

[manic horizon]

The plot thickens

[sleek phoenix]

It's got enough power

[naive robin]

And the 5070ti is just

A trash value anyway

[sleek phoenix]

This is what's crazy to me

[naive robin]

Considering that they go for 1k+

[manic horizon]

XTX looking more and more like the way to go

But prices suck

[naive robin]

I just hope 9070 series won't go badly

For radeon

[manic horizon]

It'll go mid at best
Potentially crap if they're not at the performance of the 4070 TiS

[naive robin]

Leaks suggest XTX perf

[manic horizon]

Cuz it won't be reasonably priced from a consumer perspective

[sleek phoenix]

Nvidia's 50 cards can:
Burn the house down
Self brick from a driver install
Self fry from a driver install
Fail to work at all day 1
Have missing render pipes
Be found no where
Have an evaporated paper msrp

And yet people will still avoid AMD cos "RT not good enough"

[naive robin]

3DMark score apparently leaked

[manic horizon]

The power of good marketing

[naive robin]

Don't you guys have a spare house?
-Jensen

[manic horizon]

Then expect it to be 850

[naive robin]

(not an actual quote)

[manic horizon]

Price is bound to suck

[sleek phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/nvidia-jensen-huang-the-more-you-buy-the-more-you-save-keynote-2018-gif-12315008507302833354

[naive robin]

make it 1k cuz of lack of supply

[manic horizon]

I mean if the price was good

Wouldn't you think AMD would've ALREADY blared it loudly into the internet?

[sleek phoenix]

They could make that 9070 XT 550 and people will still swear it sucks

[naive robin]

True

It's the nvidia bias

[manic horizon]

I'd take a loan and camp out to buy if it was 550

[sleek phoenix]

AMD somehow has this god awful stigma

[sleek phoenix]

Do not

[naive robin]

It's a false stigma

Nvidia drivers have been, and can be flaky

[manic horizon]

Oh who am I kidding I wouldn't get a loan anyway lmao

[naive robin]

Decades old drivers limitations

[manic horizon]

But yes if it's actually available for a 550 MSRP

I 100% will buy it depending on stock

[naive robin]

If it was priced at 550 I'll automatically preach for radeon for the time being

[sleek phoenix]

I want to believe it will be but it won't

[manic horizon]

Let me rephrase
If it's less than a used 4080 in price
I'll get it

[sleek phoenix]

They have comparisons to the GRE in official slides

Which suggests a good msrp

But I really doubt it now

[naive robin]

Huh

Yeah considering how the 50 series launch went..

Oh boy, I can't wait to see a 5050

[manic horizon]

If I can get it for ~350-400k HUF
I'll get it

[sleek phoenix]

There's a LOT to say they came up with something quite affordable

But I do not believe that price anymore

[tepid wasp]

5050, will have 10 less ROPs than promised

[manic horizon]

Pair it up with an SFF 9800X3D build and profit for many years at 1440p

[sleek phoenix]

Specifically 8

Lmao

[naive robin]

it's been 8 less ROPs

[sleek phoenix]

Some even have 16 missing

[naive robin]

with the whole 50 series stack

16..

that means up to 8% loss

that's an entire tier down LOL

[manic horizon]

@sleek phoenix 9070 XT would warrant a 9800X3D for 1440p right?

[sleek phoenix]

7800X3D will do

[manic horizon]

Esp considering that I play a lot of PDX games which LOVE the cache

[sleek phoenix]

Or tuned 13700K+

[manic horizon]

It's really not any cheaper is the issue

[naive robin]

nvidia boutta get sued

thinking no one would notice

[sleek phoenix]

13600K could also do it overclocked but I don't see anyone capable of that kind of voodoo magic here lmao

[manic horizon]

TBF

The 9800X3D isn't going over 100 watts in games default right?

[naive robin]

yes

[sleek phoenix]

About 80-ish

[manic horizon]

Sure it CAN go 160w on power virus
But it's around 7800X3D in games

[sleek phoenix]

7800 is lower if you use pbo on both

[manic horizon]

That 40 watts against a 13700K is pretty meaningful for me

[sleek phoenix]

Not sure about pbo off but the tdp on the 9800 is higher

[manic horizon]

Though I'd rock an LF3 in the 2000D for that build

[sleek phoenix]

That adds up to like 10 bucks over a year of constant gaming

Lol

[manic horizon]

So it's not a cooling question but a power draw

[manic horizon]

We have like
Almost 75 cents a kWh power costs my guy

[sleek phoenix]

LF3 also has case fitment issues in so many cases lol

[sleek phoenix]

Hi, same here

10 bucks

Lol

[manic horizon]

Really?

[sleek phoenix]

I've done the math

[manic horizon]

I'll take your word for it

[sleek phoenix]

It's not actually 10 but it's negligible

Like

You'd take more than 10 years

Easy

30?

Lmao

To pay it back

[manic horizon]

I might actually stick with the CPU that long if nothing dies (Unlikely)

IDK but I really like the LF3

[sleek phoenix]

Surely you've heard the saying "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush"

[manic horizon]

It looks sexy and it performs like a champ

[sleek phoenix]

$100 saved from a cpu buy will be more than you'd make back from spending that extra for efficiency

[manic horizon]

What's the warranty on the LF3 again? 5 years mfg warranty?

[naive robin]

6

i believe

[manic horizon]

Hmmmmmm

That's not insignificant

[sleek phoenix]

LF3 has so many fitment issues tho

Cos they insist on thick low fpi rad

[manic horizon]

IIRC 2000D is confirmed to fit it

[sleek phoenix]

Oh alr

[manic horizon]

But I will explicitly check just in case

Actually
I'll double-check

I already saw someone mount it simple on Reddit

[sleek phoenix]

I always second guess an LF3

Cos it's literally like one of two aios that have trouble fitting a LOT of things

Lol

And then struggles against an FX360 or thermalright

[manic horizon]

Sadly Thermalright AIOs aren't available here for some reason

Or at least I never see them in stock

[sleek phoenix]

What about fx360

[manic horizon]

Who makes that again?

[sleek phoenix]

Id cooling

[manic horizon]

That should be available

id-Cooling is fairly prevalent here

So that could work

Their fans are bad tho

[sleek phoenix]

I mean it'll have a much higher ceiling than an arctic tho

The LF3 is good on AMD only for noise normalised

It's not the outright best

[manic horizon]

I would like to not blast the fans admittedly

But it is a sacrifice I could make if need be

[sleek phoenix]

I don't think the fans are that bad

Double check the reviews

[manic horizon]

I'll look at them in like half an hour when I get home

[sleek phoenix]

Alr

[sleek phoenix]

@naive robin

[manic horizon]

It's confirmed to fit

the LF3

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Guess FX360 it is

The problem with that is I want to match the fans so they have the same RGB hue

and the AS-120 ARGBs on the FX360 Inf that I can buy are oos everywhere

technically I can just

get a replacement heatsink from Arctic for the SSD/use an SSD with a heatsink already on it/clearance it myself

[agile perch]

https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-9070-xt-rx-9070-gpu-performance-leak-comparable-rx-7900-gre-rx-7800-xt/

I hope not

[manic horizon]

Geekbench

also the XT is 64 CU

the GRE for example is 80

XT 84, XTX 96

There is no way AMD would match the perf of 30% more CUs

the comparison to the 7800 XT is 100% fair

which also basically means I'm no longer buying the whole "40% faster than GRE" narrative

also not exactly the source I'd trust the most considering they STILL propagate the notion of a 32gb 9070 XT in spite of AMD itself ruling it out

Effectively a rehashed 7800 XT for like
At least a hundred dollars more than the actual 7800 XT feels super disappointing

This is stagnation at it's finest

[shadow heart]

Bruh don't tell me I'm born just in time for GPUs to start plateauing

[manic horizon]

I think so

[cyan hamlet]

Match models all you like, but you can get off colors even with fans from the same package

[manic horizon]

It's just that the mismatch is so bad on my PC rn it actually causes me physical pain

So I wanna give it the best chance for being close in colors

[agile perch]

$750 gre is wild

[manic horizon]

It's not even a GRE tho

[agile perch]

?

[manic horizon]

It's a rehashed 7800 XT with CU count

For 750

It's gonna be purely architecture uplift

The 9070 XT I mean

[cyan hamlet]

Geekbench has the 9070 XT at the GRE but Furmark has it at the XTX. The truth probably lies somewhere in between, which is what I've expected for a while.

[manic horizon]

If so

Impressive

Cuz the 9070 XT is about the same CU count as a 7800XT

[cyan hamlet]

Oh and the 9070 non XT should slightly beat the 7800 XT

[willow copper]

wait what lmao

[agile perch]

Id be happy with that, I just hope it's above the gre lol

$750 card that matches their last gens $550 card

That'd be something

[cyan hamlet]

Not like you can find a GRE at that price anymore

[agile perch]

Lmao now this one
https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/amd-estimates-of-radeon-rx-9070-xt-performance-leaked-42-percent-66-percent-faster-than-radeon-rx-7900-gre

I see wym fal

[manic horizon]

The fact that their sales pitch is comparing to the GRE is promising

But that's implying some really heavy architecture updates

Or more likely frame gen

[cyan hamlet]

Frame gen is likely, no way they pulled off those numbers

FSR frame gen was supposed to be updated soon too

[chilly moat]

https://videocardz.com/newz/gigabyte-rx-9070-xt-gaming-oc-reportedly-boost-up-to-3-24-ghz-during-linux-benchmark

The card boosts to at least 3000, some 3100 oob

So its probably ipc increases and clock speed that are carrying those fewer cores further, among other architectural improvements

Ngl 3ghz gpu is crazy

Maybe they also improved on interconnects too even though the die seems to be monolithic

Gotta wait and see what they cooked up

[compact egret]

What about memory clock tho

From what I've seen with Radeons

Memory speed matters a lot

[chilly moat]

Memory is 20gbps

256 bit bus

both cards have that config

[sleek phoenix]

https://youtu.be/LvBtfqU6svo
"We simply cannot recommend 50 series at this time" WHOA

[proper anvil]

this is gonna be a good watch

[shadow heart]

You mess up as a company when GN says such a thing

[manic horizon]

Did someone say "Make it worse!"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u64HYDB-LG0

[cyan hamlet]

"Multi Failure Generation"

[fast trout]

Ball is in AMD court and they are waiting to fumble the launch

This how the Radeon department is looking at how they can overprice and under deliver the 9070s

[vivid kelp]

A link from NoVideo that shows all their FE cards. If only that poor soul knew about it to be able to say "it doesnt exist lol" and not waste their time
https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/4756/~/user-guides-for-nvidia-graphics-cards

But anyways, claiming they are lying is really, really reaching. Low level rep thought it 5070Ti FE existed at one point, realised it didnt later on (how much later on is unclear, as their use of language wasnt the nicest [thanks English]), and eventually made note of that. High level rep also thought it existed. Rather likely they only skimmed the convo and not seeing how low level rep changed their stance, most likely taking good note of the more lengthy messages that at a glance just seems like a random customer getting more angry than they should be over nothing.

[manic horizon]

I don't necessarily believe it was an intentional lie (though it could've been)

But it is indicative that nGreedAI is NOT on top of the situation whatsoever

I'm giving an unusual amount of benefit of doubt to team green here

But it is undeniable that they completely lost control of the 50 series situation and that they DID make significant screwups in the development and distribution

[spice cedar]

Are they even trying to push out better products with improvements?

[cyan hamlet]

Why should they? They're effectively a monopoly

[willow copper]

its gross that they can even afford to waste so much resource on a failed launch that could easily been prevented

thats something i dont like about america, there isnt a real cap on businesses

too much industry

[fast trout]

We are so cooked https://www.reddit.com/r/radeon/s/HCUu24ZZf6

It’s on Reddit so it must be true

[shadow heart]

Hopefully they’re just higher trim cards (like the difference between Asus Prime and ROG). If that’s the case, I think it's just properly adjusted for inflation. Hopefully that's all it is

[spice cedar]

Guys new meta controller dropped

Tmr joysticks

2 extra shoulder buttons

2 back buttons

Trigger locks

And a pretty good app

[cyan hamlet]

Early listings are just placeholder prices

[marble meteor]

I'm thinking of getting one of their controllers, but an Xbox version (my steam controller doesn't work on Xbox)

[spice cedar]

Def wait for a bit they haven’t updated their xbox versions with any new features

[marble meteor]

What Abt this one

https://a.co/d/5yPJ0s9

[spice cedar]

Meh

Lemme see if the new ultimate 2 works with xbox or not

[marble meteor]

Pretty sure only the ones with Xbox logo, cause Xbox charges for listening or something

[spice cedar]

Yh ur right in order to use the non xbox licensed ones ur gonna need a special adapter

Gamesir has xbox licensed controllers too but they’re all wired

[willow copper]

i hate microsoft

[spice cedar]

They upcoming g7 pro is said to get a version that works wirelessly with xbox tho

And its pretty feature rich

[marble meteor]

I mean for what I'll be using it for this seems fine
https://www.8bitdo.com/ultimate-3-mode-controller-xbox/
it has the back paddles, no extra shoulder buttons but realistically if I'm playing something that needs that many inputs I will play it on my PC

On Xbox I really only play cod zombies and party games

[spice cedar]

Yeah its a perfectly good controller then

Make sure to check out reviews tho

Cuz it might not support a wireless connection

[marble meteor]

Waaaaaait

As versatile as possible. Connect to your Xbox via wired USB, your Windows PC via 2.4G, or your Apple or Android devices via Bluetooth.

Yeah I need wireless to the xbox

[spice cedar]

Yeah its a weird thing for some reason many xbox licensed controllers dont seem to support a wireless connection to xbox specifically

[marble meteor]

That's really stupid

[spice cedar]

Indeed

[marble meteor]

I can get an official Xbox wireless for $40

But I'd love hall effect for longevity's sake (plus back paddles)

[spice cedar]

Yeah might wanna wait for the wireless xbox version of the gamesir g7 pro then

[willow copper]

8bitdo 2C has done everything i need in a controller for me

[spice cedar]

(It was originally gonna be wired for xbox again and wireless for pc but then people got mad and they said they would release a wireless xbox version too 💀)

[willow copper]

its got hall effect, extra trigger buttons, stupidly impressive battery life,

[marble meteor]

For $25-30 the 2C is nuts. Not Xbox compatible tho :(

[spice cedar]

He’s looking for a xbox controller to use that in a xbox he would need an adapter

[willow copper]

works for me plugged in

ive grown up with cords so im unbothered

[marble meteor]

Yeah I need wireless too

[willow copper]

yee ik

yeah gamesir would probs be your best bet there

og xbox controllers got some issues imo

[spice cedar]

Rn no wireless xbox gamesirs are available

Controller market is really dumb ngl

[willow copper]

oh damn

[spice cedar]

Premium options are either too sucky or a major ripoff, good value options always have a noticeable compromise

And then when u think u finally found one that fits all ur needs

[marble meteor]

It pulls some BS like this

[spice cedar]

It may not have the best performance when in comes to latency

Circularity

And deadzones

[spice cedar]

(This is super confusing for some reason)

[willow copper]

https://www.amazon.com/8Bitdo-Raspberry-Compatible-Controller-Bluetooth/dp/B0CB842CL2

i know this thing exists

from what i know it works fine for xbox

if youre after the xbox style grip tho

hm

[spice cedar]

This controller tho prolly has the least compromises so far for pc

Tmr joysticks

Plenty of remappable buttons

Trigger locks

[marble meteor]

I'm fine with other shapes

[spice cedar]

And a not so crap software

Their utimate 2c doesn’t have an app

For 60 bucks its a pretty darn good deal

Gotta wait for reviews and testing tho

[willow copper]

it comes with a charging dock?

[manic horizon]

Isn't hall effect the endgame on joysticks?

[willow copper]

thats pretty rad ngl

[spice cedar]

Tmr are magnetic joysticks too

And they’re said to be better

[manic horizon]

Oh?

[willow copper]

yee

and more power efficient

aka better battery life

[spice cedar]

A recent tmr joystick controller came out from gamesir and it dominated

[manic horizon]

Nice

[spice cedar]

Its the cyclone 2 if u guys are interested

[willow copper]

more precise in general

[spice cedar]

But pretty sure it has an issue with its wireless dongle on pc

[spice cedar]

And seems to have better stick latency too compared to regular hall effect

[willow copper]

yurp

curious how the durability will be

[marble meteor]

Does this let 3rd party controllers connect to Xbox? Cause Xbox console isn't on the left hand side of the diagram

[willow copper]

ik theyre supposed to be driftless

[willow copper]

im pretty sure only the 2c

it lets it connect to most mainstream consoles

[manic horizon]

Will this 8bitdo TMR be able to connect to an Xbox?

[willow copper]

switch, playstation, xbox

[willow copper]

unlikely without an adaptor

[manic horizon]

Oh 2.4ghz only?

P sure Xbox is BT

[marble meteor]

Microsoft is poopy so even if the controller has wifi/bt it won't automatically work on an Xbox

[willow copper]

xbox has bluetooth, IF you paid for its product

you cant even use 3rd party wireless headphones with xbox

not that id recommend people use wireless headphones for games

[manic horizon]

I'm doing exactly that lmao

I only have one pair of cans, judge me all you want

[willow copper]

will do :)

[manic horizon]

Will get an SHP9500 tho

[willow copper]

with your opinions on oleds i absolutely will judge LMAO

you can get really nice ass cans for 100 to 150

[manic horizon]

Open backed could be really nice

[willow copper]

i love open back headphones

not everyone can get away with em tho

[manic horizon]

I'd def need to have my room locked all the time
Which is something I'm trying to avoid

So if you have good closed back cans to recommend I'd look into it @willow copper

[willow copper]

https://www.amazon.com/beyerdynamic-770-PRO-Studio-Headphone/dp/B07H45HG23?th=1

[manic horizon]

They probably cost a fortune here

But I'll check

[manic horizon]

Oh also that will almost definitely need an amp

[willow copper]

no

lol

just choose the 32 ohm option

my phone could run that

if theyre 120-150 usd equivalent

if its europe they should generally be more accessible too, beyerdynamic makes 90% of their headphones in germany

[manic horizon]

Bro I already can't afford to buy them new

[willow copper]

lol yeah try and find used if you can

[manic horizon]

I'm broke as hell

There is one available

But it doesn't say the impedance

[willow copper]

hmm

[manic horizon]

Oh wait it's on the can

It's a 32 ohm one

[willow copper]

thats good then

watch yo language

[manic horizon]

Damn can't even insult myself

:3

[willow copper]

how much is it

[manic horizon]

50k HUF

Used of course

[willow copper]

translate if you would

i am the very brained

googled it, thats not too bad

[manic horizon]

120 bucks or so

Still expensive
About double that of the SHP9500

[willow copper]

yee

its worth honestly

although i might actually recommend buying mesh pads

[manic horizon]

SHP is a really good open back for the price tbh

[willow copper]

itll let your ears breathe lol

[willow copper]

ive heard

[manic horizon]

Like rtings loved it

[willow copper]

these are also really good for the price

and theyre still this expensive

[shadow heart]

W headphones fr

impedance built for all people

[willow copper]

I blame dankpods for starting my interest in headphones lol

Now i own a pair of sennies

[shadow heart]

I need to fix the earpad on my Sennheisers

Heaven forbid I drop them and somehow that tears the leather lining

[willow copper]

Just buy mesh pads

They lose a smidge of sound but the comfort is hard to beat

[shadow heart]

I already have a replacement pad I just need to put on

I'd also prefer a mic setup that lets me use my Philips X2HR headphones

[willow copper]

Ive never owned philips cans

I associate them too much with screwdrivers

[shadow heart]

My X2HRs are probably my favorite headphones. I can drive them pretty easily but everybody can hear themselves on Discord 😭

[willow copper]

Rip

My senny pc38x are what i use to yap at people

The quality on the mic itself isnt groundbreaking, but the innate sound isolation is hard to beat

I just put my own pop filter on it

And its really damn nice

I really want to get 770 pros 😭

[shadow heart]

I have a standalone condenser mic. And yes it picks up everything lol. Maybe I should get a dynamic mic just for these headphones

mmmm maybe even go with an XLR setup

[willow copper]

Or maybe akgs even

[willow copper]

Ive been thinking about grabbing a condenser

Only problem is my air purifier

But yeah akg has some good dynamic mic options

Shure sm57 is iconic for a reason

Sm58 is a damn good choice too

[shadow heart]

Man but money

Plus new car soon

[chilly moat]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-teases-radeon-rx-9070-focusing-on-sub-700-price-point

https://videocardz.com/newz/geforce-rtx-5070-reviews-coming-march-4th-with-radeon-rx-9070-reviews-the-next-day

[manic horizon]

a 9070 for 650 or more is going to be Godawful value

Assuming AMD is actually trying to win market share

that puts the XT to almost 800

and it lines up with my feared pricing

AMD never missing an opportunity to miss an opportunity

[chilly moat]

Ah crap we dont know if he means 9070 as the series of the sku

Both are navi 48

Well the series is being announced and they say that

So the xt should be below 700

[willow copper]

Itll make me feel less bad about paying what i did for me gre ig

At a bare mininum lol

[manic horizon]

Nope, that's the 9070 non-XT

If the XT was sub-700 I'd be shocked like nobody's business

AMD can't see past the tip of it's own nose

They're actively making obstacles for themselves to trip over even when every single star aligns for them to win

[chilly moat]

Why would they say that and then price the card above it

[manic horizon]

It's the 9070

Again

To all who are hopeful about well-priced 90 series

If AMD intended to sell the 9070 at 500 or the XT at 600

They're gonna be BLARING that fact loudly since the announcement

Yet nothing actually concrete on pricing

[chilly moat]

Doomer mode activated

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1163915308260659293/1326556707073298432/VID_20250106_145855_848.gif

[manic horizon]

Frankly the 9070 series will either be the biggest positive surprise of the decade for me (in the GPU space)

Or the most disappointing "Wow I called it" moment

[manic horizon]

@sleek phoenix I swear it just gets worse https://wccftech.com/nvidia-is-suppressing-inventory-levels-for-high-end-rtx-50-series-gpus/amp/

[sleek phoenix]

That's exactly what they did with 40 series

I'm 0% surprised

This is how they pushed the 4090 prices above msrp

To mostly quote a comment there "Nvidia doesn't give a stuff about the market, they control basically all of it lol"

[fast trout]

PLEASE https://youtu.be/ekKQyrgkd3c?si=cFyeTkejGCHbGvrH

[manic horizon]

they already did

GN should've released this video when 90 series was announced

every die is already set

[cyan hamlet]

So... how are people supposed to update the vbios if the gpu isn't detected by system bios

[shut osprey]

Skill issue -Nvidia

[fast trout]

@sleek phoenix was this that fix you needed for your 9800x3d?

https://www.techpowerup.com/333107/asrock-addresses-amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-boot-issues-with-a-bios-update

idk why it didnt embed but whatever

[sleek phoenix]

Yeah waiting for some more details first

Came at a good time my desk has been a workshop the last couple weeks lmao

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-rdna4-officially-presented-in-china-radeon-rx-9070-xt-priced-at-4999-rmb-599-rx-9070-at-4499-rmb-549

Official msrp is 599

And 549

That 9070 price is a bit blegh I think compared to the XT but I haven't seen proper 9070 perf yet

XT price is excellent though

[fast trout]

please let the US follow suit

[fast trout]

9070 could drop in price like we saw with 7900 XT

[sleek phoenix]

I'm thinking that too

[fast trout]

XTX was a no brainer when they were both 899/999

[sleek phoenix]

Or XT goes up due to demand

[fast trout]

then it became like 750-800

and it sold super well

[sleek phoenix]

Those two prices look good

[fast trout]

probably this honestly lmao

[sleek phoenix]

Lol

Wait and see

I will probably preorder one

An XT

I'm thinking a gigabyte tbh

The 3x8 is attractive

But I might do like pulse

[fast trout]

yeah anything to avoid the 12pin lol

i wonder if they will ever release the AMD reference cards

seems so weird for all their marketing to use them and then just not sell

maybe they will do a limited run or a giveaway with them idk

[sleek phoenix]

You should analyse those reference pics

[fast trout]

they exist right?

[sleek phoenix]

Those are ai generated

Lmao

[fast trout]

https://tenor.com/view/punisher-no-no-no-tanklorde-gif-25785566

[marble meteor]

I believe I saw an article saying amd isn't making ref cards

[marble meteor]

Even if they don't manufacturer reference cards it makes sense to have some sort of imagery for them, they don't wanna use an aib card

[manic horizon]

I believe it was a concept

But that AMD never intended to actually build reference designs

[sleek phoenix]

Look at how the fins change

I mean I could be wrong

[manic horizon]

maybe 9070 vs XT?

[sleek phoenix]

But I'm very sure if you look at some of these you see inconsistencies

Maybe

There was a pic a while back where I saw like AI flaws in one of them

The heatsink pattern became like dynamic instead of geometrically aligned

Hence me thinking ai

Who knows

[fast trout]

i wouldnt put it past it with the way stuff is going

[chilly moat]

Yeah they just used that to show the next generation of graphics cards

[fast trout]

they look clearer in the china press release ngl

honestly I hope they are real they do look pretty cool

[sleek phoenix]

Ooh that's a new angle

Now I'm thinking they are real

[fast trout]

scroll down on the videocardz page

theres a 2nd picture

[sleek phoenix]

Ah yeah

They might just be showcase pics or something

[chilly moat]

"AMD has presented two reference cards, with the dual-fan model being the non-XT version"

[fast trout]

does that mean they physically presented them

[chilly moat]

But then says they arent going on sale

[fast trout]

i want to see this guy holding one in a few hours or else

[chilly moat]

So yeah they are just using those renders to give something visual to the name

[fast trout]

thats so strange

just make a few reference cards as a limited edition or smth idk

[chilly moat]

https://videocardz.com/newz/powercolor-radeon-rx-9070-xt-hellhound-spectral-white-pictured-white-cooler-and-white-pcb

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-fsr-4-coming-to-30-games-at-launch-heres-the-list

[manic horizon]

might just be dummy shrouds

[fast trout]

how are there only 2 pictures from the china event

that reference card has to exist

i am in denial rn

[chilly moat]

Correct

monster card
https://videocardz.com/newz/galax-rtx-5090-hof-oc-lab-features-38-power-phase-design-room-for-two-16-pin-power-connectors

[fast trout]

white pcb is cool lookin

[chilly moat]

600 over msrp at least

[fast trout]

LOL https://youtu.be/rpVdQbh9viI?si=5zc41O97Pn110Yg7

[chilly moat]

Oh it doesnt matter because of how this is made

This is for extreme overclocking

[fast trout]

unless she is tiny that 9070 XT is huge lol

[sleek phoenix]

I'm so pissed off about the HOF

Look closer

2nd 12vhpwr REMOVED

WHO TF

THAT WOULD'VE MADE IT THE BEST 50 CARD

THEY'VE ALWAYS HAD 2

[chilly moat]

There will be some chungus 9070 xts, there have been big ones shown earlier this year and in listings

Like the sapphire for example that thing was huge

[fast trout]

its insane that my 6950 XT is starting to look small

[chilly moat]

Oh you right

[sleek phoenix]

Next gen the gpu is the case man

We nearly there

Insert itx mobo and cpu inside gpu

[fast trout]

gpu becomes the desk