graphics-cards

[craggy pier]

idk i feel like the mid range isnt gonna really move anywhere, high ends just gonna get more lucratively expensive on team christmas as a whole

what im more interested in is the technology improvements with the 5000 and 8000 series

as much as raytracing is a buzzword some improvements on pathtracing as a whole would be lovely

or better frame gen tech

[odd siren]

They said it was just going to be a pseudo xtx but better

So I'm just going in thinking meh, probably something like that

If the needle doesn't shift from where I am then I'm not thinking about it at all lol

Kinda like ultra 200 intel

It's cool but also, doesn't do anything for me

[random dock]

Isn't it 5000 series next?

[craggy pier]

amd

nvidia is 5000 series

[random dock]

oh

[craggy pier]

sounds about right

idk im just hoping on better drivers ✨

[odd siren]

5090 is the only interesting gpu release coming up as far as I'm concerned

And interesting in the sense that how much it'll cost

[craggy pier]

just because of the perf jump, price is not it

[odd siren]

Yup

It's gonna be over 1800 now

[craggy pier]

say good bye to your car

[odd siren]

I've been thinking 2K for a while

It's about what I paid for a suprim but tbh, I don't think I need more than a 4090

Getting good 4K performance lol

[craggy pier]

i think diminishing returns is poking its head out so much more these days

with power grid limitations

[odd siren]

That too but also games

[craggy pier]

its more about optimizing

true

[odd siren]

Not much that's as exciting

[craggy pier]

i dont see myself buying much performance past the higher mid range cards ever, especially since most indie games are more enjoyable to me than any AAA titles (especially "AAAA" titles cough cough")

[odd siren]

So true

I just love the large workspace of a big screen

Otherwise I could also do just fine with way less

[craggy pier]

i want to get another monitor badly at some point

[odd siren]

Like pure gaming I can really do a 1080p low end pc and rock it

But I daily a 4K 43" for work so

Well, "work"

Anything at home that isn't games basically lol

[craggy pier]

considering a 4k oled as more of viewing experience for movies and less intensive games

and editing

ive been wanting a 2 monitor set up for a minute now

im curious how a 4k and 2.5k monitor setup would go

[odd siren]

Horribly lmao

[craggy pier]

lol yeah fair

[odd siren]

I can answer that one

Matching reso is def better but it depends on your content consumption

[craggy pier]

why would it suck out of curiousity?

[odd siren]

Moving windows around

You don't get border frame and zoom consistency

You can half fix that but not fully

But more so the point

You should buy the screen for the ppi measurement anyway

So like

4K 27" does nothing for 95%+ people who can't see better than 20/20

1440p for both in that way is valid

[craggy pier]

i have a 28" 1440p screen, so if i did get the same ppi somehow maybe

maybe i could get it to work

[odd siren]

I mean the notion of mixing isn't like unusable bad

It's just horribly awkward

It's very usable otherwise

[craggy pier]

my set up as a whole is awkward

so itd fit right in

[odd siren]

Lol

Fair enough

[craggy pier]

just gotta wait for oled prices to not kill me

[odd siren]

I've seen it get as low as 300

[craggy pier]

im running an lcd atm

[craggy pier]

new?

[odd siren]

Mhm

[craggy pier]

jesus

[odd siren]

Cooler master tempest 240hz 1440p

It was a one day amazon sale

[craggy pier]

if only i was watching that day

i can imagine the drawbacks were there with it

[odd siren]

Not really

Like ok there's only two things to care about with 1440p 240hz oleds

The screen finish and the io

Some people hate matte finish, others hate gloss

The io you want at least decent

And good controls with io as well

[craggy pier]

i have a matte atm, so id probably not want to mix something that jarring

[odd siren]

Apart from that, really not much

The vast majority are lg panel

So like, you get a pretty consistent choice

[craggy pier]

im sure

im curious how qled compares too

[random dock]

I have a 1440p480hz so been eyeing the 5090 for long

[odd siren]

I daily qled

Qled is great

[random dock]

Hopefully Asus does not have a ugly design like the 4090 strix

[craggy pier]

ive heard good things about it, burn in not being a huge issue and all

does qled have hdr support?

[odd siren]

Qled is like, the halfway house between oled and va

It's got a couple va drawbacks like smear

But you get the oled benefits almost completely

[craggy pier]

i see

[odd siren]

Extremely good colour, high hdr, zero burn in

[craggy pier]

when you say smear, how much are we talking

[odd siren]

Very very good blacks

I don't notice it as long as I keep good fps

[craggy pier]

like livable or it looks like someone slapped a wet painting

[random dock]

I think my monitor is WOLED

[odd siren]

Def liveable

[random dock]

forgot the sub layout

[odd siren]

Woled is the subpixel layout

[craggy pier]

and pricing from what ive seen is better on qled too

its been tempting me

[odd siren]

The best alternative to oled rn is xv275u p3

It's a mini led screen, 189

1440p 170(?) hz

[craggy pier]

looking it up

[odd siren]

Excellent performance, much like qled it's a fabulous all rounder, it won't be oled but it gets close

[craggy pier]

not a bad price either

[odd siren]

Ya

[craggy pier]

shoot wish i saw that before i bought my lcd lmao

not that i hate my screen

i just want deeper blacks tbh

[odd siren]

That one was recent like, last month or so it went that low

[craggy pier]

i see

[odd siren]

But qled and mini led I would rank very similarly

Mini led is better in principle but the experience of both to me are comparable

[craggy pier]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C4Z8RFY9?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

heres what im rocking atm

[craggy pier]

what are the big differences? all i remember is screen size stuff

[odd siren]

Then oled is like, wiping away that last layer of "monitor" to something that looks basically 1 to 1 with irl

[odd siren]

Xv271u is old lol

You'd def improve on that now

[craggy pier]

lol yeah

ive had it for about a year now

[odd siren]

Qled and mini led are very similar, but mini led is capable of very high brightness

To the point where bloom is an issue

[craggy pier]

doesnt sound like anything very altering to me

[odd siren]

Principally they're very similar

Quantum dot uses a light layer just like mini led

[craggy pier]

i dont really know too much about quantum dot technology tbh

[odd siren]

Here quick debrief

Lol

So typical led panels, like let's take the xv271u on your desk for example

Led backlight uses leds around the edge to light up the screen

It's ample, it can be inconsistent

It leads to manufacturing variance in how a screen lights up in a bright scene or a black screen

[craggy pier]

ah so there isnt any actual backlight per se?

[odd siren]

Ya

It's around

Not behind

[craggy pier]

weird

[odd siren]

Now QLED evolved this

It added a lot of small lights in an array behind the pixels

And we immediately saw many benefits

No burn-in, almost oled like colour accuracy, incredible hdr brightness

No more inconsistent backlighting as it's controlled accurately by each light

Rather than "zones" of backlight led

[random dock]

I am happy if I get no burn in on my oled the next 3 years

[odd siren]

Mini led takes this further with more leds

[craggy pier]

sounds more like just better bang for your buck, cheaper than oled but barely losing the benefits of oled

[odd siren]

So the panels get even brighter

[random dock]

After that people should get something better to freshen things up

[odd siren]

Ya exactly

[craggy pier]

basically not buying the top end cards moment

[odd siren]

You got it in one

It's like buying an xtx vs a 4090

Lmfao

[craggy pier]

🙏

[odd siren]

Funny comparison but perfect sense

QLED is like budget oled

You get most of the benefits, pay less, a handful of compromises

[craggy pier]

as if oled doesnt have its typical compromises too

[odd siren]

No oled latency, not quite as good colour, va panel (usually)

But it's easily better than typical va

[craggy pier]

actually now im curious, how good is the latency?

[odd siren]

It's normal

Like uh

Ips-ish

[craggy pier]

i play fighting games so latency means a lot to me lol

[odd siren]

It's not grand like oled

[craggy pier]

oh thats bearable

[odd siren]

Oled is king for latency

0.03ms vs 1-9

[craggy pier]

pretty sizable

[random dock]

You probably need to run your mouse at 2khz and higher to see the difference

[odd siren]

Mmmmm, not really

In a bandwidth pipeline, oled cuts a ton of system latency out

Typical pc turnaround latency is about 40-60ms

Cut 1-9 out of that with oled, it's a big jump

Like several gpu upgrades worth of fps essentially

[random dock]

I got my 480hz because optimum tech showed how drasticly cleared overwatch looked in motion

[odd siren]

Ya higher fps gives better motion

But oled is instant response

In terms of latency oled has the edge

In terms of frames displayed the 480hz has it

Two different sides of the coin

[craggy pier]

I dont think anything could ever sell me into getting 300hz+

[odd siren]

I used to run a 360hz

I'm happy at 240hz, I really don't need more

[craggy pier]

I doubt monitor latency costs me perf

[odd siren]

144hz is comfortable to me but I notice it

[craggy pier]

And most of the time i opt for quality versus fps anyway

Im very happy at 40fps if i can have better graphics settings

[odd siren]

Hmmm, depends what I'm doing

[craggy pier]

60fps is pref for me tho

[odd siren]

If I'm playing comp, I'll take all the fps

If I'm just chilling, I'll be ok with 60

Lol

[craggy pier]

Fair

[odd siren]

I aim for 144+, 240 is ideal for motion for me

I would like an oled tho

[craggy pier]

Idk even shooters i like that atmosphere (im also biased in that the shooters i play have more atmosphere)

[odd siren]

LG 240hz looks really nice if it keeps getting cheaper

[craggy pier]

In shooters i want to keep about 100fps

[odd siren]

Oh yeah if I can afford a reasonable amount of fidelity I take it

But i like to stay at the refresh rate as much as I can

For most comp games at 4k, it's all low settings lmfao

[craggy pier]

Lol on a 4k for sure

Benefits of 1440p

[odd siren]

If I was on a 1440p smaller screen yeah, I'd def play with the dials

[craggy pier]

Which is why a mixed monitor setup would probs work for me tbh since id like the benefits of both

[odd siren]

Ya

I agree that much, I do emphasize similar reso tho if possible

Otherwise it does get a little jank

[craggy pier]

Id only have one intensive thing on each monitor at a time and i can get used to disorientating swaps between the two

Jank is my middle name

[odd siren]

I often encourage like an OP main screen then a throwaway second

[random dock]

4k480hz will most likely be my endgame monitor

[odd siren]

It's just easier to multitask multimonitor on same reso

The big thing for me is scale settings

I'll move like a chrome window across, it'll go from big to super small

Or vice versa

[craggy pier]

Id just change scale settings

[odd siren]

Maybe move hwinfo over, it'll rearrange all the columns and look whack

[craggy pier]

I'm also insane and probably wouldn't use the second monitor for productivity anyways

[odd siren]

Scale only does so much is my point

I'm being pedantic about it tho

Like it's definitely usable

Just it's also definitely an acknowledgement of a compromise lolol

[craggy pier]

Lol id be willing to make it

[odd siren]

For sure

[craggy pier]

Frankenstein it

[odd siren]

I want an oled panel tho

If I catch an lg one at about 250 I'd take it

I'll be a while yet on that front

[craggy pier]

I think most people who know what they are do

[odd siren]

Lol

[craggy pier]

Just costs money

[odd siren]

Oh yeah, but more for me is the value proposition

The LG one is burn-in proof if you avoid high peak brightness

[craggy pier]

Avid hdr user ✨

[odd siren]

But I also have many monitors already so another one "Just to know what it's like" is not something I'm keen on doing

I'm as equally concerned for available storage nowadays lol

[craggy pier]

My last monitor before the one i have now was a cheap 10 year old 720p 30" tv

So I'm definitely in the realm of just get something i like

[odd siren]

I went through a bunch in my esports days

Half of them were horrible

I knew nothing, didn't learn anything

I went to my local mall

Lmfao

But my current ones are quite good

[craggy pier]

Im 17 so id think I'm doing pretty good for my age lol, saved up and researched tf out of my purchases

[odd siren]

Doing better than me

[craggy pier]

Tbf i also have really good access to resources with the internet as it is

[odd siren]

By your age I was grinding on an xbox with a cathode tube tv lmfao

Which tbh, was probably my best setup before I tried to upgrade

☠️

[random dock]

I only had a flip phone at that age

[craggy pier]

Lol yeah ive grown up on consoles majorly, five years ago i saved up and bought a 500 dollar laptop that could run minecraft on 720 at a playable fps

[odd siren]

Consoles are easy for parents

Most kids live this life lol

[craggy pier]

Mhm, and my mom loves nintendo so i got to enjoy that benefit

Ive grown up with a lot of tech at my disposal which im definitely fortunate of, gamecube, 3ds, wii, snes, ps3, ps4, xbox one s (most werent mine but were owned by the household or my brother)

[odd siren]

Where 360

[craggy pier]

Im enjoying the freedom pc offers tho, not having to pay a crappy 100+ dollar online service

[odd siren]

[craggy pier]

My dad had one actually

Old CoD zombies was the only game hed ever play

Wouldnt even touch campaign

[odd siren]

Based af

He knows the golden era

[craggy pier]

Lmao i dont even think he did it intentionally

[odd siren]

You were blessed with a good father rofl

[craggy pier]

Uhh not exactly but at least he had good taste in one game 💀

[odd siren]

I was praying I wouldn't read this after saying it

[craggy pier]

Lmao

[odd siren]

Xbox 360 era to this day imo, best era for games

[craggy pier]

It was an interesting one

[odd siren]

My late pastime is going back to old af games, running them cranked, having fun all over again

[craggy pier]

Only games i remember playing on it were metal arms and the old star wars battlefront

[odd siren]

BATTLEFRONT

[craggy pier]

My family also had a tendancy to stay a generation behind on systems

[odd siren]

SO GOOD

[craggy pier]

🙏

It was so fire for no reasons

[odd siren]

Dumped hours into battlefront

It was when ea was still lit

The new ones got nothing

[craggy pier]

Now EA is...

Lovely

[odd siren]

Old ea was so good

Play for hours and hours and hours

[craggy pier]

I will say, not as late but the first pvz garden warfare was unironically good

[odd siren]

Yezzz

The og pvz

That was fun as hell

There's a reason it was viral

[craggy pier]

The second one was so mid i was so sad

[odd siren]

Peggle good too

[craggy pier]

Peggle is art

Plink ploinking funny marbles

[odd siren]

It's so addictive

[craggy pier]

Its goofy

And then theres skyrim, everyone knows it

[odd siren]

God damn it

[craggy pier]

You cant hate skyrim

[odd siren]

I'll bbl

I gotta peggle

[craggy pier]

Lmao alrigjt

[odd siren]

☠️

[craggy pier]

Go enjoy your gambling

[odd siren]

[harsh sandal]

4060 TI or 7700 XT? (He doesn’t do anything with RTX)

I think 7700xt is a clear winner

[keen nacelle]

7700xt by far yeah

7700xt roughly equals 6800, 4060 ti on a good day slightly outpaces the 6700xt

[harsh sandal]

So if I can find a 6800 for cheaper I should get that instead?

[keen nacelle]

It depends

6800 has more vram, pulls more power, and runs hotter

7700xt has newer features and pulls less power

7700xt should be down to 330-350 again w black Friday sales and such going on

[craggy pier]

Id youre buying a new gpu i personally recommend trying to buy as new as possible because those are the ones getting the longest support, but if youre buying used id just buy whats the best bang for your buck

And the 7700xt is pretty good value

[keen nacelle]

its back up to 390 which isnt great imo

7800xt is only $70 more

[craggy pier]

Oh i havent seen the prices lol

[odd siren]

Wanna footnote

New as possible *at a reasonable price

We don't buy 4070's cos they're newer than a 3080 for $100+ more dollars lol

[pine stump]

How does it compare with the 6700xt?

[keen nacelle]

like 15% better?

[harsh sandal]

How does it compare with the 5700xt?

[keen nacelle]

uhh

40-50% better?

not quite sure

[odd siren]

Yeah about that much

[odd siren]

Why does everything this guy says just align so perfectly to my own personal experience
https://youtube.com/shorts/x5eZB6d_d5E

Like seriously ZTT is about as close to unfiltered felix as it gets I swear

Maybe I should subcontract my techie role out to this guy

Pay him 6 theocoins a week

[random dock]

Nice to see

[limber flax]

Its his real life alt

[heady plover]

If a laptop Gpu (3060 6gb) misreads its power at 752 watts and won’t increase the Gpu clock from 210mhz what steps could I take to fix it? I’ve deleted nvidia drivers and manually installed latest ones and older ones I’ve reset windows and I’ve opened the laptop to try and find any obvious issues like a loose battery cable. Only thing that kinda “worked” was boosting the Gpu clock with after burner but it’s such a minuscule amount compared to its expected 1300mhz clock

[livid idol]

Update your bios and run DDU to do a total driver cleanup, including the stuff the Nvidia installer misses

?ddu

[neat venture]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[heady plover]

I’ve done this.

I’ll try it again to see if it works tho, but that is something I’ve tried sadly

[livid idol]

BIOS too?

If there's no update available then install it anyway in case it's corrupt

[odd siren]

Have you wiped the ssd completely instead of a reset

Like, complete dead, reinstall windows from usb

[heady plover]

I havent. Is there a way I could do that without losing the windows license?

[odd siren]

Did the box have a sticker with a windows key on it

[heady plover]

Vbios but not actual bios. I never found a working bios

[heady plover]

Unsure. I’ll check

[odd siren]

If not then the laptop may have a recovery drive

Which is a working alternative

[livid idol]

It gets saved to your Microsoft account and should automatically restore it and your settings

[odd siren]

I've heard of this behaviour before, does the device manager in windows say anything about the 3060m?

Does it report code 43

[heady plover]

Two different accounts have been on it and both of those accounts have been on seperate pcs. Does this “remember” hardware configs and just apply it when it deems it “the same”?

Also I think the box has been thrown away

[heady plover]

Checking rn

[livid idol]

The motherboard has a unique hardware identifier and if it matches the one in your MS account then it auto activates (once you get to desktop)

[heady plover]

Ok

[livid idol]

If for some reason it does not auto activate you can trigger the activation later

[odd siren]

It will bind the license to the latest sign in

So multiple users doesn't matter

Last user wins

[livid idol]

*admin user

[heady plover]

To look for the error code would it just be under “device status”?

[odd siren]

Right yeah

[odd siren]

Yes

If you see code 43 anywhere lmk

[heady plover]

Device is working properly

[odd siren]

Ok so it's at least thinking it works fine

Can you download gpu z

[heady plover]

Alr got it

[odd siren]

And open that, send a screenshot or picture of it for me rq

Phone camera works

Just as long as I can read it

[heady plover]

Ok

You want to see sensors page or graphics card page?

[odd siren]

Both if possible

Just idle

[heady plover]

No other apps opened and I’ve slightly debloated windows

[livid idol]

What's the exact model number of the computer? I'll see if I can dig it up

[heady plover]

Ge76 raider is what’s on the front. I’ll see if there’s different skus though

[livid idol]

Yes there's multiples

[heady plover]

11ue chk:c12 maybe

[heady plover]

11ue 046

[livid idol]

BIOS https://download.msi.com/bos_exe/nb/E17K3IMS.11D.zip
Intel ME https://download.msi.com/bos_exe/nb/Intel ME Update Tool_ME15047_H.zip
Both would be required so it updates the CPU itself

[heady plover]

How would I install these ? Don’t know the process for bios updates

[livid idol]

Copy the E17K3IMS.11D file to a USB drive and head into the BIOS to update with it

[heady plover]

any specific format? or anything works

[livid idol]

FAT32 is the general recommendation

[heady plover]

ok

laptop downloads updates right now 💀

[odd siren]

This is bugged

It's detecting to 8 pin pcie

Which is not what it should say

[heady plover]

Lmao yeah I’ve been super confused about that

[odd siren]

I'm thinking you should back up the vbios then nvflash a new one

Or rather

And old one

[livid idol]

I think he said he did that already

[heady plover]

I did but it wasn’t an old one. Only the actual bios was old

[odd siren]

Wym

[heady plover]

Sorry actual DRIVER

[odd siren]

Oh

Older vbios maybe

[heady plover]

The vbios I flashed was a new one

Updates are still underway 💀

[odd siren]

The vbios is displaying correctly up until sensors and/or pcie link speed

[heady plover]

If updates are underway for this long should there be a concern? My desktop pc has NEVER once been this slow to update

And this laptop has also never done this

[odd siren]

No idea

How long has it been

[heady plover]

About 12 minutes

[odd siren]

Could be anything

[heady plover]

Is it normal for the display to sleep during this? I’ve never been in the “shutting off” screen long enough for it to do that 💀

[livid idol]

Recent Windows updates have been flakey, it will probably just fail out eventually

[heady plover]

Dang

[livid idol]

The display can sleep

[odd siren]

Standard sleep settings have a laptop at like 5 minutes iirc

[heady plover]

this is taking too long lmao would it hurt to hold the power button till it fr shuts off?

[odd siren]

What is it updating

[heady plover]

no idea. its just the power off screen that says "updates are underway"

like this is the shutoff screen

[odd siren]

Let it run

[heady plover]

aw man

[odd siren]

As fal said it'll time out if it fails

Can cause issues if you force it off

[heady plover]

yeah i get it. unfortunate that ive gotta wait this long

[odd siren]

Sone updates are just goofy long

[heady plover]

Gotta love windows

[heady plover]

it finished as i was making this picture

[heady plover]

how do i determine what vbios to even use?

[livid idol]

Try this one, it's from the same model as your laptop
https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/232998/msi-rtx3060mobile-6144-201216

Just a different submodel

[heady plover]

ok. could you recommend me some video or reddit post with a walkthrough of how to properly uninstall and install the vbios since i dont remember how?

[livid idol]

There's no "uninstall" process but you can backup your old one

[livid idol]

Download NVFlash and extract contents
Copy the BIOS file into the NVflash folder
Open cmd as administrator and run the following:
cd /download/location/ (replace with the extracted folder path)
nvflash --protectoff
nvflash --save original-vbios.rom (this saves a backup copy of the stock bios)
nvflash -6 MSI.RTX3060Mobile.[phone].rom (this flashes the new bios)
DDU to cleanup

[heady plover]

the NEW bios right? not my backup

[livid idol]

If by backup you mean the one you made before you flashed previously, then yes (if I understand the question correctly)

[heady plover]

yeah. mb if it was unclear

“‘nvflash’ is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file’

[livid idol]

Oops you might need to put ./ before the command

If you made sure to cd to the right folder

[heady plover]

Ok

[livid idol]

It might have been .\

I always get mixed up since I switch between Windows and Linux frequently

[heady plover]

Still no

[livid idol]

Hmm

Drag the exe into the command window

It should auto copy the path

[heady plover]

Didn’t do anything

[livid idol]

You can try typing out the full path then

[heady plover]

Would that be right clicking on the exe and doing “copy as path”

Then removing the quotations?

[livid idol]

That should work

You can keep the quotes

[heady plover]

Doing that shows me what seems to be a working n flash gui but typing anything breaks it

[livid idol]

You don't need the GUI

Just the command line tools

So copy the path and append the commands after

[heady plover]

Sorry “gui” is a huge stretch. It’s just a list of commands lmao mb. Although still typing anything breaks it

[livid idol]

TUI then

Same deal

[heady plover]

So now that this is open what do I do

[livid idol]

You can open a fresh window and close the broken one

[heady plover]

It still breaks

[livid idol]

It's an admin command prompt right

[heady plover]

I’m not sure if this one is working properly or if I’m misunderstanding how it’s supposed to be used

Yes

[livid idol]

I've used the program myself on my 3090 so I don't see a reason it should fail on one of the same generation

It needed a few extra flags to flash an incompatible vbios but that's it

We haven't even gotten to that step yet

[heady plover]

this is the last thing the command line displays when its "done" but nvflash still isnt recognized as a command

[livid idol]

Ah of course, it was nvflash64

I forgot they removed the old 32 bit version

[heady plover]

lmao i dont think so. i did try adding 64 to i BELIEVE every command and i also renamed it to just nvflash after a certain amount of tries

im looking at other videos of nv flash and their nvflash folder looks completely different from mine

mine is just the one exe and the rom i added. theirs has a whole bunch of stuff

[odd siren]

Sorry I have to go

[heady plover]

It’s Alr lmao

[odd siren]

My phone number is having issues

[heady plover]

Dw abt it. Hope you can fix it soon

[livid idol]

Yeah that's the latest version, looks like they packaged everything into the exe now like a good modern program should for portability

[heady plover]

I’m not sure what else I could’ve done wrong lmao

[shy kite]

Hello, I have a question about GPU compatibility.

Even though the GPU will be bottlenecked by the cpu, will I still be able to run a 4090 with this motherboard and CPU at least?
MSI MPG Z490 GAMING CARBON WIFI LGA 1200 Intel Z490 SATA 6Gb/s ATX Intel Motherboard (pretty sure the PCIE slots are 3.0 but this works with 4.0 GPUs right?)

Intel Core i9-10900K Comet Lake 10-Core 3.7 GHz LGA 1200 125W BX8070110900K Desktop Processor Intel UHD Graphics 630

I am not worried about the speed, I just want more GPU vram. I am fine with the speed I have for my workflows

[livid idol]

It will work. PCIe is fully forwards and backwards compatible.

[shy kite]

Thanks for letting me know so quickly! That is GREAT news! I currently have a 2080 ti, and it uses two slots for my corsair RM850x (850 watts). The cable I have that came with my 2080 has two 8 pins /6+2 pins. Are there any cables for the 4090 you recommend that have two 8 pins as well?

[livid idol]

I have good news for you. Corsair makes one special for their power supplies to add 12VHPWR support, specifically the new 12V-2x6 spec which is much less likely to melt.

They even have 90 degree connectors so you don't need to worry about case clearance nearly as much with the cable against the glass.

You want the Type 4 for the RMx. Style A or B will depend on the specific GPU you get and which way you want the cable to go. https://www.corsair.com/us/en/p/pc-components-accessories/cp-8920348/corsair-type-4-psu-90-12v-2x6-style-b-cable-cp-8920348

[shy kite]

Which corsair power supply do you recommend or are you saying I can keep the same one I have and use this cable?

I will be getting the ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX ™ 4090 White Edition Gaming Graphics Card (PCIe 4.0, 24GB)

[livid idol]

Yes you can use your existing power supply

I have the same one too, it's top tier.

[shy kite]

Thank you SO much!! You saved me a goo $2K+ You are a saint! I appreciate your time friend❤️

[livid idol]

Did you want the cable to go above or below the GPU when you have it in? That'll determine if you want Style A or B

[shy kite]

I want it to go below the GPU and go through the back like this. And do I keep it on type 4?

[livid idol]

Style A will have the cable facing down

The RMx is Type 4

[shy kite]

Okay perfect! I am glad I FINALLY asked this question. I always here about the bottlenecking issue but I don't mind as long as I have more VRAM because THAT is what I truly need so thanks again for saving me A LOT of money!🙏

[livid idol]

Happy to help

[limber flax]

Don't worry yourself about bottlenecking too much btw

People like throwing it around but it's not really that scary

[solemn panther]

-hmmm

[random walrus]

I mean, it can essentially mean wasting money for gaming builds. (sounds like this guy is doing workstation/ai though so not an issue)

[limber flax]

I'd say it's more like spreading your costs more evenly across your PC to suit what you need it for

But same concept

[lilac osprey]

My friend wants a macbook that can run blender and final fantasy 14 and the sims 4, what do I tell her?

[forest oasis]

m series macs should work from what i see, though for the price you're paying, not worth it (it's not natively supported and uses rosetta)
and blender isnt as good on macos either (better than it used to be but it is better supported on windows or linux; recommended specs would be quite expensive with a macbook anyways, they recommend 32 gb of ram for every OS)

sims 4 supports m series chips natively iirc

you should tell her that 2/3 of what she wants is not ideal on macos and she would be able to do 3/3 of the stuff better on a similarly priced windows laptop

[lilac osprey]

She says she's afraid to buy a windows laptop because her current one is terrible
https://www.amazon.com/Razer-Blade-Base-Gaming-Laptop/dp/B08D1H19G9

and also that she's not afraid to spend 3k on a macbook

[forest oasis]

I assume she currently has that laptop? What are the issues she's having with that laptop? Maybe it's time for a windows reinstall

[heady plover]

update three days later. i got nvflash to work and "power draw" is halved. ofc half of 700 is still 350 which means it isnt fixed but maybe ddu will work

[heady plover]

Could yet another vbios be more lucky? I mean this one did seem to atleast CHANGE it but yknow. Not fixed

highest settings no upscaling on siege. takes 100% of gpu but wont "boost". honestly surprized it even runs at all at that clock speed

i can give it an extra 500 using afterburner but anything more and it starts to go BEYOND 1200 in short bursts and crashing

its cool to see how little this game needs to run. it would be cooler to see my gpu working properly tho

[limber flax]

It's not necessarily a bad laptop tho might just need some OS reworks like 343 said

[ivory herald]

Look into MultiDisplayPowerSaver. It's not just for 2+ screens. It can make a gpu run full 3d clocks just by running specified programs

[heady plover]

is this a good idea if the gpu wont be supplied the right voltages though? because under msiafterburner i believe ive looked through all the settings and nothing lets me alter voltages so im assuming that the gpu itself isnt capable of it with this problem.

[livid idol]

You can try using throttlestop to get it to ignore power limits
https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-throttlestop/

[heady plover]

ok

i want yall to know that when im asking im not questioning your advice im just making sure that this is actually a decent idea. but is it really a good idea to remove throttling on a device that cant tell how much juice its getting?

[livid idol]

If you're concerned about exceeding the power draw that your laptop is capable of handling you can hook up an external measuring device like a kill-a-watt

Your apprehension is completely understandable, but it's unlikely to do more damage than good imo

[heady plover]

alr then. ive got it open but i cant tell how to make this work for gpu and not cpu

[livid idol]

In options there will be tick boxes for "nvidia gpu" and "amd gpu"

Under miscellaneous

Once you tick it you need to close and open the program again

While you're there you can tick the box that tells it to enable when on wall power and disable tweaks on battery

[heady plover]

i cant tell what im supposed to be doing. under the "limits tab" nothing is selected {i cant figure out how to select things in it eitherways} but the gpus clock rate is still 210

[livid idol]

If you aren't able to change the boxes then your laptop probably isn't supported. Not uncommon but unfortunate.

[heady plover]

ah

[livid idol]

Now, as far as vbios goes, here's the list of verified ones for the 3060 mobile. Yours is the highest performing one on the list, so using any other one would reduce performance but should be possible if you use the override flags in nvflash.
https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/?architecture=&manufacturer=&model=RTX+3060+Mobile&version=&interface=&memType=&memSize=&since=

[heady plover]

im not very worried about losing 10-15% performance on the gpu. im not really gonna use this laptop for gaming anyways. i just want it to at the very least let me do stuff without the igpu because the igpu feels super sluggish

[livid idol]

And this is the list of unverfied MSI ones
https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/?architecture=Uploads&manufacturer=MSI&model=RTX+3060+Mobile&version=&interface=&memType=&memSize=&since=

Some of which are equally performing as yours (and of those they're mostly from the same model)

[heady plover]

should i try ones with similar power targets or ones with lower power targets?

or you think itll be random which works and which doesnt

[livid idol]

Honestly it's uncharted territory for me

I've seen desktop GPUs misreport power but not laptops

[heady plover]

i mean switching from the old vbios did change what the power misread was but it was still missreading so maybe i do just have to get lucky with it?

although it did still read as 8pin voltages

and the other guy said it shouldnt be like that on a laptop

[heady plover]

unverified means untested or from unkown source?

[livid idol]

Both

[heady plover]

if it were to be a bad vbios and the gpu stops working could i undo it by using the igpu ? or would i just be straight out of luck forever

[livid idol]

TPU accepts user entries so it's just a random person dumping their vbios and uploading it using GPU-Z

If you have the iGPU then you can avoid a permanent brick situation 99% of the time

[heady plover]

alr. for tonight ill test a couple of the verified ones. tommorow ill see about the unverified ones though

[heady plover]

Vbios I used seems to turn on and off the Gpu inconsistently and because of msi “hybrid mode” the laptop display doesn’t know how to act when this happens and just shuts off 💀💀so every two minutes I get 5 seconds of progression lmao

[heady plover]

Is there a better way for me to do this lmao cuz man this is egregiously undoable. Sometimes it just won’t turn on for like 5 mins

Rn it’s been 9

[heady plover]

Side project with the same laptop. This hinge design is so unbelievably horrible

Gotta love msi laptops man

[heady plover]

I’m guessing that the thunderbolt port on this laptop only uses the igpu for video since it specifies that displayout through thunderbolt doesn’t work in discrete mode. So tommorow I’ll get a thunderbolt to hdmi or smth like that to fix this

[plush bane]

i am trying to make a decision between an Sapphire Nitro+ AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX Vapor-X or 4070ti. If i play mostly FPS games which would be the best decision i dont think i have ever used ray tracing either is this a no brainer?

[keen nacelle]

Xtx.

Hands down

7900xt in terms of value

[livid idol]

Especially if those fps games happen to include most CoD titles. The XTX can beat the 4090 in those.

[random walrus]

Weird how they haven't looked into that more. I assume it has something to do with modern consoles being on similar architecture to modern amd cards.

(& they optimize quite a bit for consoles obviously)

[livid idol]

It's due to the drivers actually. Nvidia is more bloated and has more latency when CPU limited.

[random walrus]

huh

Then why is the gap so big in cod specifically and not as much in other games?

[livid idol]

CoD is extra CPU limited

Because they're really bad at optimizing

[random walrus]

ah lol

[random dock]

Is fixed in black ops 6

[hot bough]

Has there been any interesting news regarding Nvidia, Intel, and AMD?

[lilac osprey]

Are these good specs for running Blender and Final Fantasy 14 and The Sims 4?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/853437881032900619/1304467848965521448/IMG_8512.jpg?ex=672f7fdb&is=672e2e5b&hm=0ff14e7c30c6801c6c825b74e7876007fb28c86671c300cb6fe393572454b3a0&

[craggy pier]

way more than enough lol

how much did that cost you 😭

knowing apple you probably paid 800 dollars for the RAM alone 💀

[lilac osprey]

It's for a friend, she says it'll be around 4k

She sure does love apple

Someone here told me that macbooks aren't Blender-friendly, though

[random dock]

9800x3d launch

otherwise no

[craggy pier]

at 4k it should (should) run circles around blender. although yes macs do struggle with it both on a hardware aspect and software since its just not optimized for it

i recall one of the bigger limitations blender has is ram so im sure 64 would be more than enough lol

[lilac osprey]

lel

[craggy pier]

its a top end laptop

[hot bough]

Mac in my experience having once been a long time fan and user is good so long as you stay within their eco-system.

[craggy pier]

theyd have to REALLY mess it up

[hot bough]

The second you exit their eco-system it's complete ***

[lilac osprey]

Can you tell me what desktop graphics card the...I guess Apple M4 Max...is?

[hot bough]

It's a over glorified iGPU.

[craggy pier]

^

with some "apple intelligence" shoved up its rum

[lilac osprey]

I think you only had to say "glorified"

[hot bough]

In terms of gaming/real world performance I recall it being compared to a 3060.

[craggy pier]

which is not bad at all

but

price

[hot bough]

at $4,000

[craggy pier]

4000 is 4090 territory

[hot bough]

You can buy a 4090 + 7950x3D system for that lmfao.

[craggy pier]

^

[lilac osprey]

Dang

[hot bough]

and still have money left for a monitor or peripherals

[craggy pier]

and an ipad

[hot bough]

Anyways, without complaining about Apple to much.

As a iGPU it's very good.

[lilac osprey]

Maybe money left over to jerry-rig up a home-made zero gravity desk?

[craggy pier]

apple is absolutely a good quality brand, they just arent a good price to performance brand even remotely

[hot bough]

But don't try to compare it with a full on proper add in card like Nvidia or AMD

[hot bough]

Very true.

Has anyone heard any news on Nvidia regarding their AI chips and such? I am trying to source as much info as I can to make a decission regarding stocks.

[craggy pier]

i think to give you a better idea, i have this card shoved in my tower with a good cpu, 32 gigs of ddr5 ram and a 2tb ssd, guess how much the whole tower costs?

1300

i could buy 3 of my full towers for that one macbook just for it to run at 2/3s the performance

mind you that 2/3s performance isnt bad

but

[hot bough]

If your friend is serious about Blender they should look into a Windows system that uses a AMD cpu ideally with v-cache paired with a Nvidia RTX gpu and at least 32 ideally 64 or more GB of ram in the form of 2 sticks not 4.

Will run much better and cost a lot less.

Otherwise that Apple can run Blender just don't expect anything amazing.

[craggy pier]

Absolutely

Note that laptop gpus are different than pc gpus

A 4090 laptop gpu isnt gonna run like a 4090

[lilac osprey]

I'm sorry guys, she's comparing the laptop to a designer handbag now. It's what she wants, cost doesn't matter

[forest oasis]

💀

apple's marketing strat working once again

[craggy pier]

wish i had money to throw away lol, if youre in a position where you can all the power to you

[hot bough]

Oh boy she's taken the bait....

https://tenor.com/view/apple-money-iphone-ipad-apple-product-gif-26280760

Logical consumers

https://tenor.com/view/apple-imac-ltt-linus-tech-tips-linus-gif-23591347

[junior locust]

@narrow summit scammer alert

[narrow summit]

who

[keen nacelle]

Pato took care of it

[narrow summit]

thank youuu

[junior locust]

Sorry for the ping then

[lilac osprey]

I think this is hilarious, but she took a little umbrage when I posted these and she said:

"they should know i’m a visdev artist and have been an apple user since i was in university 💀💀💀"

[limber flax]

Lol that means nothing doesn't she understand brand loyalty makes you a fool

You may love the company but the company does not give a hoot about you

You're just a wallet they have go extract money from

Brand loyalty only hurts you as a consumer

But I suppose they fall on deaf ears

If she wants to buy a decent value Mac, base m4 Mac mini

Memory or storage wise it loses handily though to other minipcs

[craggy pier]

"I've been ripped off since university and i like it"

[odd siren]

I'm surprised she expects any stranger to know that she's a long-term apple user

Like being told by the supermarket clark while I'm getting shopping that it should be obvious he's a dog owner(?????)

Her choice if she wants Apple, can't expect a complete stranger giving healthy advice to save money to know anything prior to being explicitly stated lol

[limber flax]

If you're gonna act all high and mighty then why ask for advice at all tbh

Like ooh I want a new laptop can you give me suggestions implies that you're open to other options

[odd siren]

Not quite on the right page I think

[limber flax]

Ah I might be misinterpreting then

[odd siren]

I mean she's asking him to get advice

But she is kinda giving the run around for poor charlie if she will only accept apple suggestions

[limber flax]

Yeah...

You could lead your inquiry with "I'll only take Apple devices BTW"

For whatever reason it may be, but saying that off the bat saves a lot of time

[odd siren]

Idk if you recall me saying this before but "positive affirmation"

[limber flax]

Asking for confirmation instead of an actual suggestion?

[odd siren]

The kind of people that say like "Hey is this good?" Then if you say anything other than yes it's considered derogatory

Lmao

[odd siren]

Ya pretty much, not quite what's going on here but it's near that

[limber flax]

Just a slight difference of she hasn't bought it already

[odd siren]

We've seen all types here

[limber flax]

True

[odd siren]

The bit that bugs me when I see it

It's not the like "I bought it and love it" type

It's more when those types try to enforce it to the eleventh degree despite being told by everyone else it's not a good suggestion

So they'll tell someone else say

[limber flax]

"If you can return it you might want to"

[odd siren]

"You should buy this X870 for your 9600x"

[limber flax]

SHUT UP YOURE AN IDIOT

[odd siren]

"It's the best because it's asus strix"

Type of advice

[odd siren]

I say this openly to many people 💀💀

[limber flax]

THIS IS THE BEST [device name] I HEARD FROM [some other completely wrong source]

[odd siren]

It makes sense if you have good justification

But if that justification is like

Good cos I [Me] bought it (Sample size:1) then no

[limber flax]

Or the opposite lol

[odd siren]

?

[limber flax]

My GPU broke this brand bad

Don't buy

[odd siren]

Oh yeah

Absolutely agree

It's unhealthy when it's aggressive or aggressively biased

Insular

[limber flax]

Yeah when they're vehemently defensive of it

Which is pretty common because apparently you can only be a friend or an enemy

On the internet

[odd siren]

We've had many types like that here tho and they genuinely don't last

There's nothing wrong with being brand faithful but recognise it's not a healthy mentality here

[limber flax]

"If you take a nuanced stance that provides insight you're still my enemy and I hate you"

[odd siren]

I have a clip for this lmfao

Hold on

[limber flax]

LMAO

[odd siren]

I can't link it here cos swearing hold on

[limber flax]

Dang

[odd siren]

There sent

Lmfao

[limber flax]

Absolutely that

"Wait a minute, you're not me!"

[odd siren]

Yeah haha

The core of the internet in 5 seconds

And the things people like "Hey that's just like me"

[limber flax]

Echo chambers bro

Really easy to find on social media such as twootor

[limber flax]

Hey you're me

Wow that's crazy me

Well, if apple only m4 mini is pretty cool

But the power button is underneath the damn thing

[odd siren]

Nothing wrong with sticking with what you prefer

Just moots the point if it (alternatives) all gets shot down tho lol

[random dock]

Would have been no issue if the the mac mini was lifted up enough to slide our hands in

And apparently the power button is on the side where we put the cables

[forest oasis]

and then when they're disappointed they'll be like "why didn't you tell me"

either that or they'll defend their decision that it's perfect

[deft scroll]

So I have a MSI 970 and 1070 laying around. What would yall say these are worth? They are collecting dust with me so I need to rehome them

[random dock]

30 and 60 respectively

[random walrus]

Could probably get a bit more for the 1070

[burnt parcel]

Hello everyone. I have a buddy whos going from integrated graphics to actually having a gpu but on a tight budget. Whats the best GPU we could find for at most 130?

[craggy pier]

How tight is tight? Because its really really difficult to get a good card at that price

And hes DEFINITELY going to be getting something used

Im thinking an rx 7600

[burnt parcel]

yeah used is fine as long as its not disgustingly used

[craggy pier]

Im sure you could find some for that if you look hard enough

[craggy pier]

Shouldnt be

Id look around on some marketplaces and see what you can do, find something youre interested in and ask here again to verify with the peeps here, im not too good personally at picking out sketchy stuff

Hope you can find something good, gl

[burnt parcel]

thank you thank you

[craggy pier]

Once you do you should figure out what your friend has as well, does his psu have a PCIE cord with it?

And also does he have a displayport cord

[burnt parcel]

he just ordered a new psu

didnt know he was upgrading until today

[craggy pier]

Gotcha, and good

What watt?

[burnt parcel]

oh god

he just told me

500

[craggy pier]

Could be worse 😭

Is it at least not bronze?

With a low wattage you get into scary territory with lower ratings

[limber flax]

Just fyi

ratings are only power efficiency

they mean nothing for quality

[craggy pier]

Ik

[limber flax]

Thermaltake smart is a bronze

[craggy pier]

Oh shoot

I actually didnt know that tbh

[limber flax]

it's still a bomb

Check the PSU tier list for a quick reference point

[craggy pier]

Could be a gigabyte psu

[burnt parcel]

good lord

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BDCKFJJT

[random walrus]

with a $130-150 gpu it's probably fine. 7600 is 165w tdp, and I'm guessing whatever cpu he has is below 100w

[craggy pier]

https://tenor.com/view/gigabyte-psu-gamers-nexus-pc-bomb-planted-gif-22845602

[craggy pier]

^

[craggy pier]

Never heard of that brand

[burnt parcel]

me either

he did all this without asking anyone besides google

my poor boy

[craggy pier]

Rip

This server unironically carries me

Has helped me from some bad mistakes lol

[burnt parcel]

me too

[limber flax]

Ah

Aresgame | All Units

[burnt parcel]

good lord

[craggy pier]

Thats

💀

He probably bought it because it was cheap too

[limber flax]

Plenty of people buy stuff without actually asking for advice tbh

Which is fine, but if they turn around and try to defend their purchase

[craggy pier]

I ask an annoying amount of advice because id rather be obnoxious then make a 500$ mistake

[limber flax]

https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

Its pinned in #cases-psu-and-cooling but that's a general reference

[craggy pier]

Act, check what other buying rampages hes went on

[burnt parcel]

he had it delivered 10 days ago

having him return that shid

[limber flax]

Amazon returns are like super easy

[burnt parcel]

yeah

hes got a kohls 14 minutes away

[limber flax]

Print the thing, put it back in the box, send it

They even have door pickups in some places now

[burnt parcel]

wild

[craggy pier]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CQMQY2V2?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

I try to stick to more brands with a bit more quality control, corsair, seasonic, lian li, theyve made some stinkers but theyre more reliable from what ive seen

[livid idol]

The reason for that is they went on an agressive marketing campaign and sent samples, bought reviews, and submitted samples to get them 80+ certified...
But then when you buy a retail unit they don't look anything like what they submitted and the efficiency is REALLY bad. Just from looking at it you can tell it'll pop at a moment's notice.

[craggy pier]

Thats.. never buy from companys like that holy

[burnt parcel]

sad man

[craggy pier]

@burnt parcel check if this is in his budget

You NEVER cheap out on a psu imo

[burnt parcel]

checking that rn

[craggy pier]

Actually

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CQMSTN94?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

He should fork over the extra 6 dollars for the 650 watt imo, so hes not stuck needing a new psu should he ever upgrade

[burnt parcel]

Right very true

Good looks

[craggy pier]

Whats his cpu?

Ram type mobo and ssd as well

Tryna make sure his kits at least well rounded enough

Hoping he has at least am4 or equivalent

[keen nacelle]

this is also fine https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pDGbt6/evga-650bp-650-w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-100-bp-0650-k1

[dawn notch]

what do we think here

leaning twoards 6700xt ngl

[keen nacelle]

same

[dawn notch]

the watercooled card would be a pita

iot be either a new cooler or find parts

esp when im alr on amd gpus

10% ish difference

[burnt parcel]

my bad i was away from my setup. Checking his stuff

[burnt parcel]

Ram: not sure specifics but its 3200 speed and 12 gbs of it. DDR4
CPU: 5600G
Motherboard: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BHCL4YVS?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title
Storage: 400GB SSD

[livid idol]

I can say definitively that the memory is holding that CPU back significantly

The 5600G loves fast memory, it can often do 4400 with everything synced

Also having only 12GB means that only 8GB of it is running in dual channel mode, and the rest is a LOT slower in single channel

[burnt parcel]

dang

my poor boy

[burnt parcel]

any recomendations? Something pretty cheap?

[craggy pier]

What kind of sticks does he have?

Idk how you get to 12 gigs of ram without mixing types

Ive never seen 6gbx2

[livid idol]

Because that doesn't work, 6 isn't a binary number

[craggy pier]

That's why i was confused lol

Is it 4x3?

[random walrus]

8+4 or 4+4+4

[craggy pier]

Would explain only one thing of dual channel

[livid idol]

Either way it's bad

[livid idol]

https://www.newegg.com/mushkin-enhanced-16gb-ddr4-4133/p/N82E16820226997

[craggy pier]

Yurp

[burnt parcel]

Excellent thank you guys

[keen nacelle]

Yall think a daisy chained 8pin is fine for a 1080 ti?

[random walrus]

I would say yes as long as it's a decent PSU and the cable is in good condition

Pcie slot supplies 75w so the peak the cable would need to provide would be 220

[keen nacelle]

well its a 5700xt now anyways

since the 1080 was dead

but ty

[alpine gale]

Installed a new gpu with a new power supply and I’m not getting any display Everything is running fine but just no display is showing I’m not getting any error from the motherboard fans are spinning and everything

[livid idol]

Clear CMOS, sometimes the old GPU data gets stuck in the motherboard settings

?cmos

[neat venture]

How to clear CMOS (works for AMD and Intel)
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025368/processors.html

[livid idol]

And double check your power connection to the GPU, especially if it's 12VHPWR because it won't give power if it's slightly out

[alpine gale]

Can this be a problem?

And the gpu fans are not spinning right now

@livid idol would this affect it?

[livid idol]

Uh, is that a 6 pin cable plugged into the 12VHPWR adapter

Yes that would definitely cause it

[alpine gale]

1 of them is fulled and one you can see is missing 2 pins

Would that affect it?

[livid idol]

Yes

It will refuse to power on the gpu like that

[alpine gale]

How would I be able to fix this

Is there any cables for that?

[livid idol]

What PSU is it

And what GPU

[alpine gale]

Rtx 4070 super

And like a 1000 wats gold

[livid idol]

What model exactly because some of the most explosive power supplies are gold rated, it's meaningless

One way or another you do need 2 of those 8 pin cables or it won't work

Some older power supplies won't have that

[alpine gale]

There is another set of 8 pins just like that

Idk how to explain it but I’ll send a vid

[livid idol]

The daisy chain

With a 220W GPU that MIGHT be ok to use but judging from those cables I would not want to test that and risk meltdown

They look like the power supply I had in my first PC back in 2011

[alpine gale]

Idk the model I know it starts with A tho

[alpine gale]

That’s the only type for the gpu

[livid idol]

If you can get a pic of the label on the side of the psu that'll be ideal

[alpine gale]

That’s all theee is

[livid idol]

There will be a more detailed label on the other side

[alpine gale]

Here

[livid idol]

Yeah that power supply is from 2013 and should not be used to power modern GPUs. There are several Reddit threads of that exact power supply exploding.

[alpine gale]

Damn

What power supply should I get?

How many wats is okay?

[livid idol]

With that GPU you don't need a lot

Even 450W would be ok

But generally I don't recommend less than 650W due to quality concerns

[alpine gale]

I had a 500 wats evga power supply

Same thing no display

Do you think it’s the power supply?

[livid idol]

EVGA power supplies range from very good to very good at starting fires

[alpine gale]

Yeah this same one was able to run my rx 6700 xt and my ryzen 7 7800x3d

[livid idol]

This would be the one I recommend, since you won't need the power adapter to use it https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08W47MX46?th=1

[alpine gale]

So you think the power supply the problem?

[livid idol]

So you tried the EVGA one first with 2x 8 pin cables and it didn't work, even though it worked before the GPU swap? Am I understanding that right?

[alpine gale]

Yes

So they said to swap psu and that’s what I did

[livid idol]

Right, so my assumption in that case would be that the 12VHPWR adapter cable is not fully seated

Who is "they"

[alpine gale]

People from another disxord

[livid idol]

And what model EVGA power supply

[alpine gale]

Uh lemme find

[livid idol]

Ok not their best but not their worst either

It should technically do fine

So I'd go back to really tightening that connection to the GPU, sometimes it can be hard to get in all the way and even when it's clicked on it's not all the way seated. It's a major design flaw.

And clear CMOS as I said first thing

[alpine gale]

That’s just taking the battery right?

[livid idol]

Yep. Switch off power and remove the battery for about 30 minutes just to be sure.

[alpine gale]

Okay

[alpine gale]

Like this?

[livid idol]

Yes, making sure the power supply is switched off and/or unplugged as well

[alpine gale]

Yup everything is unplugged

[alpine gale]

I should plug it back in and try?

[livid idol]

Go ahead yeah

[alpine gale]

Okay so gpu fan is spinning

Still no display

[livid idol]

Give it a few minutes to train the memory

[alpine gale]

Kk

Ima let the computer run for a little bit

How long u think?

[livid idol]

It can take 5-10 minutes to train after a cmos reset

Worst case

[alpine gale]

Kk

But gpu fans are spinning so that’s a good sign

[livid idol]

Still no signal?

If not check what input your monitor is set to

[alpine gale]

Still no signal

[alpine gale]

Their all put to the right inputs

[livid idol]

Try the onboard graphics next

[alpine gale]

How do I do that

[livid idol]

Plug the video cable into the motherboard

[alpine gale]

Display or hdmi?

[livid idol]

hdmi preferably for testing

dp sometimes needs you to reboot to switch

[alpine gale]

Still no display

Yeah says no signal

[alpine gale]

Yeah still no display

[livid idol]

Are any lights lit on the motherboard? There's usually debug lights near the main 24 pin power

[alpine gale]

No light

[livid idol]

That's a good sign at least, since that means the motherboard thinks it booted

Next I'd try the onboard graphics but take out the new GPU

[alpine gale]

Will try that tmmr after school didn’t check the time

If I can’t fix it I’ll just take it to micro center

[livid idol]

Okay, good luck

If it doesn't work even without the GPU in then there's a very different issue at play

[pseudo bobcat]

Reposting something I put in the wrong channel.
Anyone good when it comes to fixing GPUs or looking at GPU issues? Was looking though eBay for a new GPU because I'm fine buying second hand, and came across an rtx 3090 for $550. Seems like a steal, too good to be true. And, it kinda is, the seller was pretty thorough in explaining that there was in fact many issues. Many that I didn't even know existed. The description of from the seller certainly has me scratching my head a little

Used for about a year and a half with some issues, but the card functions 100% and I've put idk 1000 hours on it?

1. Yes it looks bad, I purchased this used and that's how it came, I have no clue what the guy who used it before me did to it to get so many scratches on the card.

2. The real issue is that you cant have "GeForce Experience" installed or the computer will power cycle once in a while (sometimes once a week other times once a day). I spent a lot of time finding this out, and I haven't seen anyone else with this problem or a real solution. So you can install all the newest drivers manually, but cant have the app.

3. Card has a heat pumping problem, basically you have to repaste the card once every 1-2 months, as the thermal paste will "pump" out and off the die. I've done it a bunch and you can do it in like 10 mins after a while. You should either get comfy or know how to repaste and maybe do the pads after you buy it.

3a) The cards thermals are not great because of this^. No Zotac will not RMA it as ive tried, there not awful but my cs2 runs at 55-60c @300fps 1440p.

Is a card with these kind of issues worth considering for the reduced price it has? I know it'd be trading money for convienence, and for all we know there may be other problems

[random walrus]

That third issue might be solvable either with higher viscosity paste or an IC graphite thermal pad

https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/thermal-paste-not-staying-on-gpu-die.3723885/

Or maybe a different cooler/waterblock

Could also get this for $100 more
https://www.ebay.com/itm/296810851181

Also used 4070ti or 7900xt for $630 which I think are close to a 3090

[pseudo bobcat]

Issue 1 is no problem, and I was hoping issue 3 was just an issue of needing thicker paste. However issue 2 is what makes me confused. I don't get it

[odd siren]

1 is a clean

3 is PTM for repaste

2 is....odd

It's not really an issue if you don't care for GFE? (You really shouldn't)

But being able to faithfully reproduce that is...odd

I would be really eager to see that in real time tbh as I've not seen that kind of issue before

My thoughts are that maybe the nvdec module on the card has a fatal issue?

So no capturing content maybe

Cos GFE doesn't really do anything else against a user's will

[pseudo bobcat]

Oh no, whatever will I do? this is sarcam I don't stream or make videos

[odd siren]

Not to my knowledge anyway

[pseudo bobcat]

And no GFE is not something I care about

[odd siren]

Well specifically the NVENC side of the nvdec

Cos he'd have other issues if it was nvdec itself

Like YT not working

Or wallpapers crashing

Gifs, discord going poof

Things like that

[pseudo bobcat]

You know I should probably ask if he has those issues

Also:
3a) The cards thermals are not great because of this^. No Zotac will not RMA it as ive tried, there not awful but my cs2 runs at 55-60c @300fps 1440p.

[odd siren]

PTM fixes the paste issue

[pseudo bobcat]

That's... Supposed to be bad? I've had a 5700xt go to 85 aging warzone, 60 is nice

[odd siren]

Either he's using bad paste or PTM will fix it

[pseudo bobcat]

No I'm saying 60 is bad? I usually don't worry about GPU temps until they reach 80c

[odd siren]

Oh

60 is good

Rather

60 in a cpu bound game is normal?