Master of cooling who couldn't figure out how to make paste
#graphics-cards
odd siren
You have buckyballs and nanotubes/sheets that are very conductive
On the other hand, pure diamond is completely inert
vital oriole
I hope they know something about keeping it inert
Or not mess it up over time
But then again even one arctic paste had separation issue
Not directly damaging but thermals surely got worse
odd siren
Ok
It claims it's electrically insulated as a mix
So one could say "Not conductive"
On the other hand, it could say "We knew it was conductive, but we insulated it"
So the claim is it's essentially non-conductive, but I'd wait for a review
Mixing up for something new and much more effective would be a welcome change though, like when we moved off of silver compounds to the current norm
Closer to the realm of liquid metal without it being dangerous
sterile parcel
Ah dammit... I don't want to use krisp if I switch to AMD
Their noise suppression option is ass
Guess I'll find an alternative elsewhere
sterile parcel
AMD has built-in software in adrenalin
It's not good
It makes you sound a lot worse than without it
😂
And I don't like Krisp because they want you to have an account to use it
odd siren
Eh? That's not how it behaved for me
It wasn't broadcast tier but it was more or less like discords compression software
sterile parcel
Eh? That's not how it behaved for me
Voices sounded deepfried 💀
I thought maybe it was a driver issue
odd siren
Nah I've never had that lol
sterile parcel
DDU, made sure my mic input was correct, and I just died a little bit when it wasn't fixed
odd siren
I don't wanna be the "works on my machine guy" but I use it on 3 systems actively and it seems fine
I only use broadcast on my 4090 rig
sterile parcel
I don't wanna be the "works on my machine guy" but I use it on 3 systems activel...
I tried another time on the Dark when I just tested stuff, was mildly better, but muddy voice distortion still
odd siren
Yes it's not gonna be like broadcast good
It's very much like krisp
It isn't perfect no
Could also just be the mics I use
💀
sterile parcel
I don't expect it to be, but damn, I don't wanna sound like I have a cloth over my mouth
😂
sterile parcel
I use Elgato wave 1
odd siren
USB 
Miss me wit dat background noise heard by all
I've never heard the wave 1, is it good?
sterile parcel
Yes
odd siren
Heh.
sterile parcel
But because there are cheaper options for price to performance, it's just not worth the $100 they want still
Wave 3 is cool
Like T669, I'd recommend that over wave 1 anyday for general use
odd siren
Ah, they added proper mixing
I bet that's the usb c added bandwidth
That's the big reason I went to XLR
I had a really nice usb mic
But 0 sound compression
Like at all
Modmic was nicer
sterile parcel
Meanwhile whenever you're on vc bruh, you sound like a deepfried fishbowl fish
odd siren
I'm often just grabbing my headset cos setting up to work off the second system is effort
💀
When I stream I use shure
sterile parcel
Oh, I have a vmoda boom x mic somewhere, just remembered that
odd siren
Or when I'm on the laptop, I just grab the headset
sterile parcel
When I stream I use shure
ASMR ofc
sterile parcel
Or when I'm on the laptop, I just grab the headset
Oh yea, I use the cloud 2 wireless for my laptop
OR my wireless lapel mic and IEMs
odd siren
Ye it's just easy isn't it lol
I'd have to dig out a 3m usb to run the mixer to my laptop
Lol
sterile parcel
Ye it's just easy isn't it lol
Only when I'm gone long-term, like a week or more because they do takee a lot of space, which is why I usually bring IEMs always and the lapel mic
I travel with a backpack mainly
I try to avoid unnecessary suitcases
odd siren
Oath
Laptop is more than enough for anything
Small form factor everything else
And maybe a controller
I'm still waiting for my KSC75x's 😭
sterile parcel
Good old compression cubes for clothes, my laptop, chargers, and my very flexible Adidas cloudfoam shoes kekw
odd siren
I want better portable headphones
sterile parcel
I used to travel with my bose qc35s
odd siren
Yeah I'm trying to downsize from that
sterile parcel
I HATE TWS buds. Anyway, good times
odd siren
My buds I use rn for like daily out n about
My headphones for travel
And they just
Get IN THE WAY
OF ALL THING
REEEE
I want my KSC75x's so I can just jump in a plane with good audio in my pocket
sterile parcel
Yea....... My AKG K361 are foldable, but not very good isolation or cancelling for travel
sterile parcel
Oh yea, they're just passive
odd siren
The pressure in a cabin wears me down almost as much
sterile parcel
I have found a Bluetooth adapter that supports aptX for my IEMs
So I use those now
odd siren
Ooo
sterile parcel
I use tangzu wan'er s.g now daily, so good!
My backups are my 7hz Salnotes, and backups to them are the CHU 2 😂
odd siren
They look like something out of like hong kong
Jade ships
wait I might be thinking of beijing
sterile parcel
LOL
odd siren
I'm all confused myself
odd siren
the Linsoul TANGZU Wan’er S.G HiFi 10mm Dynamic Driver PET Diaphragm in-Ear Earphone with Ergonomic Shape, Detachable 2Pin OFC Braided Cable for Audiophile Musician DJ Stage (Green, with Mic)
Oh it's just the green version
odd siren
?
sterile parcel
The green ones
sterile parcel
Felix is about to buy a jade statue
And stick it in some random spot in his space
odd siren
New gaming desk meta
Forget the tiny pot plants and youtube subscriber counts
Tiny clocks and nanoleafs
JADE
STATUE
sterile parcel
Right in front of the door so people trip over it if they try to rush in and disturb your peace
odd siren
Tell you what
It'd be the first thing I'd grab being robbed
I can both negotiate peacefully and violently
sterile parcel
I SAID GIVE ME YOUR JADE
sterile parcel
odd siren
DID JADE SEE ME COMING???
odd siren
sterile parcel
LOL
odd siren
Proceeds to crack 20kg rock over head
sterile parcel
SO REAL
sterile parcel
Jade is praised as precious,
but its strength is being stone. - Lao Tzu, Te Tao Ching
sterile parcel
odd siren
Reminds me of the list of shaekspearean insults
shake
meh shaek
Pick one from each column
💀
sterile parcel
YOU'RE A YEASTY HOE
odd siren
You frothy common-kissing baggage
odd siren
sterile parcel
You are a saucy idle-headed foot-licker
odd siren
you pribbly fool-born giglet
odd siren
When I first learnt about these, I spent like 2 weeks trying to only use these when I was around my friends
sterile parcel
I'm gonna use giglet now
odd siren
I'll use pigeon-egg then
First one to use theirs on another gets the next name choice
And they have to see it
sterile parcel
Honestly, matches you, you're like a pigeon on a spinning polle, head empty, space case, no thoughts
😆
sterile parcel
First one to use theirs on another gets the next name choice
Deal, have to be actively in a conversation/chat
sterile parcel
Yes
odd siren
I wanna see the reaction 😂
sterile parcel
And it's gotta be super fitting to the context, no random callouts ofc
sterile parcel
Like if someone says "AMD better than Intel always", then giglet ofc works here
sterile parcel
DON'T SEARCH PIGEON EGG
Ruh roh
sterile parcel
DON'T SEARCH PIGEON EGG
Looks like you gotta make sure you attack the right person
🤣
odd siren
odd siren
sterile parcel
The progression of this conversation lol
odd siren
Yeah we went way off 
sterile parcel
AMD noise suppression, microphones, headphones, IEMs, jade, proverbs, Shakespeare insults, challenge, and ralicx being a ladies man 😆
sterile parcel
Giglet will be an easy prey....
sterile parcel
Most of the active ones here can keep up with their knowledge... Some are, easy to pick 😆
odd siren
The first breath of arrogance and you've won
odd siren
💀
livid idol
<:hmm:1115230464987381820>
Says the man who used stunt men.
#jackiechan
vital oriole
lol
sterile parcel
hecking discord
raven wharf
my room is like 50f rn this is the coolest ive seen my 6950 lol
summer condor
The swft 309 6700xt is 309 on amazon rn. I'm building a mid range for my wife, should I cop? Or should I wait for something better? Seems like a great card for the price.
summer condor
https://www.amazon.com/XFX-Speedster-SWFT309-Graphics-RX-67XTYJFDV/dp/B0B34M1YLW...
Copped, thanks for the recommendation. I realize it's just an overclocked 6700xt but more for 10$ less with no work needed is a win in my book.
summer condor
6800 at $350 is also a very solid option
Probably, but I used that extra $50 to go towards peripherals for her. It all comes in this weekend. Very excited to build
raven wharf
Copped, thanks for the recommendation. I realize it's just an overclocked 6700xt...
Also a much better cooler design, no bias :)
delicate oyster
More details, less LED...?
(The light is awesome, BTW... just no clue on the cooling)
tepid thistle
This may be a dumb question, esp since I'm still trying to get my main PC back to working order, but would it be smart to use my old AMD GPU (Radeon 6650XT) with my new Nvidia coming in? (4070ti Super) I want to have them on two seperate monitors but idk if the drivers would conflict or what
livid idol
This may be a dumb question, esp since I'm still trying to get my main PC back t...
That would work, but it's also perfectly acceptable to use 2 monitors on one GPU or use the integrated graphics on a non-F CPU, both Intel and AMD work for that.
I have my secondary plugged into my motherboard going through the iGPU.
wind sable
I have my secondary plugged into my motherboard going through the iGPU.
Can you still use same keyboard and mouse or nah?
vital oriole
yes
limber flax
It is the same computer
analog orbit
what cpu would go good with a 4060??
i’m kind of on a budget but i don’t wanna cheap out
keen nacelle
what cpu would go good with a 4060??
I would grab the rx 7600 instead
12400f is a good budget pairing
$110 right now
Ryzen 7600 (there's a cpu and a gpu) would be ideal at $190, but ram is also $95 (good kit of ddr5)
7600 is around 15% better than the 4060
livid idol
The 4060 is just a worse 3060 anyway
Slightly better core, but reduced memory bus, capacity, and speed.
So on well optimized games the 4060 can be a little better than the 3060, but in less optimized games that get close to or surpass that 8GB buffer the 3060 wins easily.
keen nacelle
What was the worst release from nvidia
1630, 4080, 4060, or 4060 ti 16gb
I think 3050 deserves a spot up there
analog orbit
I would grab the rx 7600 instead
thank u ❤️❤️
the only reason i cannot buy the other graphic card is because i already have the 4060 as it was a grad gift from my dad
keen nacelle
thank u ❤️❤️
If you could afford the 7600 (cpu) build you'll have a lot of headroom to upgrade the gpu down the line
vital oriole
96 bit bus gddr6 is such a meme on 4050
watch as my laptop soon get roasted by future apus
raven wharf
watch as my laptop soon get roasted by future apus
simply
vital oriole
my lappy has usb4
but eh, id just
get apu laptops once this ages
and slap on a bunch of ram into it
48+ gigs
raven wharf
is there a reason you wont go desktop besides money/space or is that the reason
vital oriole
yes
raven wharf
fair enough
vital oriole
id love a lighter laptop with pure apu
maybe oled too, but there's no 1080p oled on laptops
raven wharf
apu is a descrete gpu inside a laptop correct
livid idol
4 should be better than 3
https://youtu.be/7ae7XrIbmao?si=feikhdwnT2aSAeiM
The 8GB memory buffer can fill up even at 1080p
vital oriole
when 4 is worse than 3
raven wharf
when 4 is worse than 3
raven wharf
https://youtu.be/7ae7XrIbmao?si=feikhdwnT2aSAeiM
The 8GB memory buffer can fill ...
side topic but i like seeing my gpu at the top of the stack lol
vital oriole
nvidia willingly killing the whole stack of gpus
raven wharf
does 4060ti 16 have any spec bump besides vram
vital oriole
just to keep higher end skus looking good
vital oriole
does 4060ti 16 have any spec bump besides vram
vram only
livid idol
does 4060ti 16 have any spec bump besides vram
Exactly nothing else is changed
raven wharf
so a 7600/7600xt
livid idol
Even the bus size is the same
livid idol
Yep
livid idol
Well it's also perfect for "oh s*** 8GB isn't enough at 1080p any more we're too far behind the curve what do we do"
vital oriole
it's 3060ti under copium
vital oriole
"4060ti 16gb runs games using over 8gb better, thus it's better than its predecessor"
wuh-
is it because of that bus
raven wharf
now that we are nearing the "end" of the current gen being the current with 50 and rdna4 otw at some point i feel like all theyve shown is that the 6000 series and 30 aged pretty good
vital oriole
All because Nvidia killed it this gen
In a bad way
Literally cutting lower sku's legs
raven wharf
if amd just made the XTX the XT
amd would of been fine imo
imagine 7900 XT being 7800XT
vital oriole
That's in ideal world
Realistically, they just gotta oneup nvidia by a notch
And they stay alive
livid idol
now that we are nearing the "end" of the current gen being the current with 50 a...
Ok so here's the deal with "next gen".
We're looking at a paper launch from Nvidia mid Q4, around November or so. You won't be able to buy a 5090/5080 at msrp until February at the earliest, since all the silicon wafers are being allocated for AI processors that they can charge 10x more for. Any 50 series stock will be botted out and scalped.
AMD is a bit more tight lipped about things but they're also making AI processors. However, they are also using more than one node and basically building 8000 off of 7000, like what Intel did with 14th gen but actually making it better by fixing some of the flaws.
vital oriole
Instead of uh
Roasting their own CPUs
Literally
AMD burnout issue thankfully was short lived
Intel meanwhile
Death
raven wharf
AMD is a bit more tight lipped about things but they're also making AI processor...
will it still be chiplet? wasnt the XTX going to be much closer/beat 4090 but it had issues cause of how it was made?
livid idol
Yes it's still chiplets
AMD didn't want to push power like Nvidia did. They could have, and internal testing showed they could get close to the 4090. Overclockers confirmed the same with 1000W vbios mods.
raven wharf
i want to see what that XFX XTX cooler can do
livid idol
It's a really good thing AMD didn't push 500W+ like Nvidia did because look how that turned out with all the RMAs from melted connectors.
raven wharf
It's a really good thing AMD *didn't* push 500W+ like Nvidia did because look ho...
i still cant imagine my gpu melting
vital oriole
horrible design
livid idol
12vhpwr design is to blame tho
Which Nvidia helped design
livid idol
It was a joint spec between Intel, who owns the ATX spec in general, and Nvidia.
odd siren
i want to see what that XFX XTX cooler can do
It about almost caps out stock
solid glacier
Waiting for my gpu cpu and mobo Monday
But I paid for it to be tommrow lol so hopefully it comes
But delivery says Monday
hot bough
But I paid for it to be tommrow lol so hopefully it comes
Oh nice. Mind if I ask what you got?
keen nacelle
For this build https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pRqfTY
Good, although I'd grab the sapphire 7900xt for $40 less
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3BQcCJ/sapphire-pulse-radeon-rx-7900-xt-20-gb-video-card-11323-02-20g
hasty monolith
So upgrading gpus is every 4 to 6 years right
raven wharf
So upgrading gpus is every 4 to 6 years right
its depends on the person
if you need something faster and better say for work like making videos, then there is an incentive to upgrade more often
but if you build a decent pc right now, you'll probably be fine for the next few years yes
hasty monolith
its depends on the person
Have a 6800xt since early 2023
Just game dont stream or anything
raven wharf
you'll be fine for awhile then
random walrus
I'd say most midrange gpus should last most gamers 4+ years easy, upper range 6+
solid glacier
100%
solid glacier
Good profit
solid glacier
If anyone could find me this keyboard in stock I’ll give anything 😭
Precision Exemplified
Shine 7 Christmas edition
Prolly
Impossible
Came out in 2019
dark lava
nah, i'd recommend just upgrading to a 4070 for that
or a 4060 if your budget is tighter
keen nacelle
or a 4060 if your budget is tighter
It's a build to resell
And 4060 and 4070 are both really poor value
4060 is over 30% worse than the 6700xt too lol
keen nacelle
but yea you right about that
Oh mb I thought you were talking to me above that
dark lava
you good lol
solid glacier
Is there a windows 11 pro installer for usb or do i just download windows 11 tool?
hexed forge
I upgraded win 10 to win 11 using the windows 11 installer tool and I have win 11 pro.
I think it depends on your license key
solid glacier
i got the windows 11 pro key
hexed forge
so yeah just use the regular windows 11 installer
solid glacier
theres windows regular windows 11 editon
hexed forge
yeah you create that and then when you put in the product key it should just install windows 11 pro. you can check by pressing start and typing winver
livid idol
theres windows regular windows 11 editon
All the editions are included in the installer once it's made
solid glacier
All the editions are included in the installer once it's made
Hey
Do you recommend putting gpu on mobo before install in the case or after
livid idol
After
solid glacier
What should I install before I put in care
Cade
I got ram SSD cpu and cpu cooler installed on mobo
livid idol
I usually stage my cables near where they'll go. Plug in the EPS on the top left because the case gets in the way between that and the cooler.
cerulean rover
Generally that's all you need to install before putting it in the case, most of the time it's easier to plug cables into the PSU before you screw the PSU into the case
surreal crater
solid glacier
Lmaoo
livid idol
I’m guessing i should use 2 cables for cpu?
One works unless you're doing extreme overclocking. Or using a 14900KS.
The one on the left is the one to plug on this board
cerulean rover
VGA is going to be your GPU
cerulean rover
Make sure to fully insert it and screw it in on the left
solid glacier
The thing is, I can’t screw it on the left bc the wholes don’t line up
livid idol
Those screws you took out to place the GPU need to go back in to secure it
They'll line up
cerulean rover
Looks like it's not correctly inserted then
Make sure you aren't just jamming it into the board instead of the slot
cerulean rover
Line it up using the screw hole on the slot covers on the left
Actually that might be fine, if you move it a bit more to the left the screw hole should be visible
Screws would go in here
cerulean rover
It's a little blurry so I might be mistaken on the exact location but they should line up and you'll be able to secure it a little on the left
odd siren
Slots have play in them by design so tolerances aren't super tight
cerulean rover
Can you support the right side of the GPU up a little to get it to line up more?
odd siren
Is it just me or does the case look bent where the screws go
Maybe it's the shade of the gpu
It looks angled up at the top screw hole
cerulean rover
Not sure, but it's close enough to line up from what I can see to try to get it in as is
Don't use too much force just in case it's a case deformity though
cerulean rover
Sometimes the io shield part is hard to get in, but it's weird if the screws line up for the motherboard and it just sits like that lol
Although wait, what if the motherboard is missing standoffs on the right making the motherboard slanted relative to the case?
cerulean rover
Screws would go in here
I'd try to screw it in here again, since it really looks like a screw can go there
odd siren
You cannot just leave a gpu in unscrewed
cerulean rover
Definitely will need something to support the GPU if you don't plan on screwing it in though
odd siren
That's like the #1 thing
cerulean rover
Don't want to pull your pcie slot apart
The screw is THE THING holding the GPU in normally
solid glacier
The screw can’t go in its impossible the hole isn’t a full hole it’s a slit of one
cerulean rover
Yea it's usually not a full hole but it can still work
If all else fails, it's Lego time
But I would strongly recommend continuing to messing around with it trying to get the screw to screw in when possible, I'd recommend getting someone else to hold the GPU up for you to help with getting it in if it's hard to get the screw in place.
cerulean rover
Just as a side note, but you'll probably want something to support the GPU on the right side anyways, does seem like it's a heavy card with a tendency to sag on the right
cerulean rover
Lego ftw
livid idol
I approve of this Lego tower
solid glacier
What way does the PSU go in?
cerulean rover
If your case has some clearance from where it stands, fan towards the bottom helps it pull in fresh air
If your case doesn't, fan upwards will recycle air from within the case, which is still better than no air
solid glacier
PSU won’t go in
It’s crooning up
Crooking
Every fan is working
Except my gpu
Nice got it
Or do I gatta update my Bios?
For it supports my CPU
vital oriole
Nah
odd siren
Really hope the gpu is screwed in
solid glacier
Really hope the gpu is screwed in
Yea I got 2 screws on it
I finally was able to do it
I csnt find the download chipset for my mobo lol
B650 live mixed
Mixer
Got it
Where’s the rest lol
solid glacier
A lot of people are telling me this kit I shouldn’t of gotten for am5
odd siren
A lot of people are telling me this kit I shouldn’t of gotten for am5
What kit
solid glacier
odd siren
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RV4Zxr/gskill-ripjaws-s5-48-gb-2-x-24-gb-ddr5-6...
How much was it
solid glacier
150
odd siren
150
Considering 32 is about 96 that's about on par value
Idk why they're saying that
48 I don't often suggest but paying a good price per GB for ram is fine
odd siren
If xmp is on and you don't have issues then it's fine
solid glacier
whats a software to look at cpu temps
hexed forge
HWinfo
solid glacier
hexed forge
yeah thats what I use. shows a lot of data about how things are running on your pc
including cpu and gpu temps
while running, it will also log the lowest, highest, and average so that if you only have one monitor you can run a game and then go back to it and see what it was at it's highest.
for example:
If you want something easier to read, I don't believe you need the hardware to use NZXT Cam. It's also been pretty accurate for me and still gives a lot of info, just not as quite much. It is more user friendly though.
latent cove
when i play any game my gpu peaks at 99 for a second and freezes my screen for a few seconds but the usage is usually at 50-80.
solid glacier
not sure what to play anymore lol
bored of most stuff atm
anyone got any recommendations
hexed forge
Solitair
solid glacier
lol.
rigid oxide
Yes
Aimed for premium laptops soo the usecases people want something like this
It is not gonna be that
odd siren
I would've pegged it as a console chip
rigid oxide
I would've pegged it as a console chip
Most want it on handhelds or a potential 9700g
Wait my bad that would actually be a 10700g
vital oriole
oh no
intel naming
now we'll have fun wondering which one's intel which one's amd
odd siren
Most want it on handhelds or a potential 9700g
Yeah no, not with that power draw lmao
echo flame
junior locust
Yes
Aimed for premium laptops soo the usecases people want something like this ...
I mean something like a Rog X13 Flow powered by those chips would be
Amazing
Legitimately desktop replacement tier
Especially if USB4 is on it because then you can literally just use a TB GPU enclosure and any desktop GPU with an external monitor to do whatever the hell you want with it
woven vigil
Anyone have any experience getting the 7900 xtx to not crash with direct x games? I have a brand new sapphire nitro + vapor and it just keeps crashing for a bunch of directx titles.
Ghost of Tsushima gets about 5 mins of playtime before crashing
raven wharf
@odd siren @livid idol that phoenix nirvana thing got teased by XFX
Didn’t it use some sort of different cooling solution like different pads or smth
livid idol
Anyone have any experience getting the 7900 xtx to not crash with direct x games...
That sounds more like a driver issue. Try DDU.
?ddu
neat ventureBOT
DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU
livid idol
Wipe both the current and especially any older drivers from Nvidia
quasi flicker
solid glacier
Wipe both the current and especially any older drivers from Nvidia
Uh question
So. My DRAM says 6400…? But when I go to task manager it says 5200?
Do I gatta change the first option to 6400 to?
Now it says 6400 but before I resetted it didn’t say 6400 lol might be not working then since it goes back to 5200?
livid idol
So. My DRAM says 6400…? But when I go to task manager it says 5200?
That means it probably failed to train and defaulted to 5200
solid glacier
It does that without giving any warning?
Is there something I should do to fix it? Update bios maybe?
livid idol
6400 is going to be difficult to run normally without UCLK DIV2 mode, which it set by default when you tried to run 6400. That means you'll have an extreme latency penalty. It's much better to run 6000 with UCLK=MCLK than it is to run 6400 with UCLK=MCLK/2.
If you have a profile for 6000 use that and set UCLK=MCLK manually
livid idol
What timings on the 5600 profile
solid glacier
Or do I just buy a better ram kit 48gb for 6000
livid idol
And also does the 5600 profile say XMP or EXPO
solid glacier
livid idol
Ok that's jedec then
So what you can do is enable the 6400 profile, then set the memory to 6000 with UCLK=MCLK
From there you can bump it up one step at a time and run a quick memory test each step so you can see how high you can run UCLK
For me it tops out at 6200 without errors
solid glacier
Should I wait to see if it goes back to 5200 first?
solid glacier
So what you can do is enable the 6400 profile, then set the memory to 6000 with ...
How do I do this?
livid idol
Select XMP1, then go over to dram frequency and set 6000.
A little below that is UCLK mode
solid glacier
Select XMP1, then go over to dram frequency and set 6000.
A little below that is...
Is this better than just buying a kit with 6k?
livid idol
It'll be easier than returning and waiting for a new one at least
solid glacier
I can buy a new kit rn but I want 48gb
solid glacier
It'll be easier than returning and waiting for a new one at least
Would it perform the same? As 6400? And would it perform the same if I were to get a lot with 6000? Or even 6200
livid idol
6400 probably won't run with UCLK=MCLK so it will run worse than 6000
But you can set your kit to run at 6000 and it will run the same
livid idol
It's slightly less ideal than buying a 6000 EXPO kit since you need to change 2 additional settings
But that's just because of the minor inconvenience
solid glacier
Is there kits I can get similar to what I paid for this kit?
154$
Or is it not worth me buying a new kit for something I can easily fix
livid idol
Returning your current kit is more inconvenient than changing 2 settings
solid glacier
Okay cool, for me performance wise would I notice a big difference between 6400-6000’
livid idol
Notice, probably not. But you will get a measurable increase in performance going down to 6000 with UCLK=MCLK.
solid glacier
So I just do what you said?
solid glacier
Select XMP1, then go over to dram frequency and set 6000.
A little below that is...
This
livid idol
yes
solid glacier
Uh fal
My pc just randomly shut off?
Or restarted itself?
I didn’t change the ram yet it was still on 6409
livid idol
That would indicate it's unstable at 6400
solid glacier
its still at6400mhz though
is there a way to check to make sure it was my ram being unstable
livid idol
Probably not without hours of testing
But if it restarts without warning or blue screen it's either the CPU or the RAM
livid idol
UCLK=MCLK and that's it
solid glacier
/2 or the top one
livid idol
The middle option
livid idol
/2 runs UCLK at half the memory speed, which is what causes the latency penalty
One sec I have the same board, I'll find the onboard video option
livid idol
solid glacier
Ty!
Should I update bios or nah?
Not sure if the current version I’m on supports my cpu
solid glacier
Oh Jesus lol
solid glacier
So the bios could also be why ram is unstable and it shut for or nah
livid idol
Yes older bios versions tend to have worse memory stability
solid glacier
Welp when I update bios I’ll do a factory reset on it and try with 6400? Or is 6000 better than 6400
livid idol
It'll reset your bios settings when you update
solid glacier
do i just putthis on my usb now?
livid idol
If you really want you can try 6400 with UCLK=MCLK but it's unlikely to work. 6000 is much easier for it.
solid glacier
If you really want you can try 6400 with UCLK=MCLK but it's unlikely to work. 60...
i think 6400 was on mclkv/2
by default
solid glacier
oh lol
solid glacier
do i just putthis on my usb now?
so now this just goes onto my usb? and then i flash bios?
livid idol
do i just putthis on my usb now?
Yes, and you can point inside that folder when you go to update and you should see the update file
livid idol
I should probably update too. I'm still 2 versions back at 2.08. There's a big bump in the agesa version which tends to help with stability.
livid idol
It says BIos can’t be updated under DDR5 OC
Go to the exit menu and select load optimized defaults, save and exit, then go back and try again
I'll be back on in a little bit, need to make dinner
drowsy mirage
Hey, I have a Sapphire Nitro+ 7900XTX that was sent to me new through an RMA and it is crashing pretty much instantly under load in games but running 3DMark stress tests come back clean... It doesn't appear to be overheating according to the recorded temps and I ran a full DDU for both the AMD drivers and Nvidia drivers. (Used my old 3080TI while waiting for the card) I tried running it after clearing the CMOS, on old and current drivers (ran DDU before each install), and on both the primary and secondary bios. I even turned off the resizable BAR in my BIOS but was still running into issues. It isn't causing a driver crash but a whole system freeze with the audio glitching out. Only way to get out of it is to hard reset the PC. Is there something I'm missing here or is it another faulty card
odd siren
Hey, I have a Sapphire Nitro+ 7900XTX that was sent to me new through an RMA and...
Check reliability report
It's a windows feature
See what the errors are saying
Errors and criticals
It'll give you a direction of where to start
drowsy mirage
alright I'll see what i can do about opening the error report, I uninstalled the gpu and put my old one in but it was all in one boot so the data should still be there
thank you
odd siren
Reason I say is unless the previous gpu is comparable, it still can't be pinned to the card itself always
Like sometimes it can be slot problems, or maybe it's the CPU (Ryzen can be all over the place sometimes)
Or even just the windows install itself is just so bulked and bloated and generally corrupted
Checking error reports gives a great start and direction
drowsy mirage
Okay so i just viewed the error report i'll paste it here
Problem Event Name: LiveKernelEvent
Code: 141
Parameter 1: ffffbb0624279450
Parameter 2: fffff8033daffa20
Parameter 3: 0
Parameter 4: 4ac0
OS version: 10_0_19045
Service Pack: 0_0
Product: 256_1
This is the code that is appearing at all of the events
drowsy mirage
I have Corsair Dom Plat DDR5 6200mhz. 32gb
odd siren
Ok can you send me a CPU-Z screenshot of these
This is for what cpu?
What motherboard too while we are at it
drowsy mirage
im using a 13900K and a Z690 Dark Kingpin
drowsy mirage
will HWmonitor work?
odd siren
will HWmonitor work?
Nah CPU-Z memory and spd tabs tell me everything I need
Even bios memory sections for DDR5 have detailed SPD info
solid glacier
Bruh
Omfg
I’m trying to shut down my pc but when I do it automatically turns back on lol wth
drowsy mirage
Im downloading cpu-z now but the bios version Is V2.13 which looks like it was released in march of last year
odd siren
Im downloading cpu-z now but the bios version Is V2.13 which looks like it was r...
I'm immediately suspicious of the board
Why? Sadly the EVGA bios team weren't on their best form in their last days as they were expediting out of EVGA
The Z790 was good, but it's no guarantee what you have is a totally stable bios
solid glacier
Anyone know why? My pc won’t shut down
odd siren
Anyone know why? My pc won’t shut down
Probably a windows update
solid glacier
No it keeps doing it
Iv done it like 4 times and itd automaticity turning back on
It won’t fully shut down
odd siren
When it turns back on flip it immediately at the psu
Hold the power switch
It'll stay off
solid glacier
So click shut doen? Then flip the PSU switch to off and then hold power switch
Down-8
odd siren
@drowsy mirage How long have you run the z690 w/ 13900k?
odd siren
So click shut doen? Then flip the PSU switch to off and then hold power switch
When it turns back on flip it
drowsy mirage
Here’s the info, I’ve run it for about a year now, I’d have to look at my receipt for exact dates
odd siren
Ok I might need a double check here. Can you pop into bios and confirm to me what "gear" your memory controller is running
Also have you been using this cpu at stock
I'm guessing not on KP
drowsy mirage
I had it at stock while testing the new card but its overclocked through the OC robot on the BIOS (im lazy give me a break) but with the other card its working fine
I do have a contact frame for LGA1700 and its water cooled
livid idol
They changed it to "dGPU only mode" then, enable that.
odd siren
Can I direct you to a post in the chat pls
drowsy mirage
Maybe not the motherboard
Gear mode is at auto
odd siren
odd siren
Gear mode is at auto
Set it to gear 2
drowsy mirage
Done
odd siren
Have a read of that pinned post
solid glacier
They changed it to "dGPU only mode" then, enable that.
Ty
Pc just won’t shut off now lmao
odd siren
Have a read of that pinned post
And then have a read of this https://wccftech.com/only-5-out-of-10-core-i9-13900k-2-out-of-10-core-i9-14900k-cpus-stable-in-auto-profile-intel-board-partners-stability-issues/
solid glacier
As soon as it turns off the pc makes a switch noise and turns back on
odd siren
What I'm trying to highlight here is it may in fact be some cpu instability, especially with pre-intel spec doomsday knowledge known by intel and board makers
Or potentially ram even
Hell, Corsair ram never fails to surprise me lol
drowsy mirage
Hmm, so it could be that the cpu is being over stressed by the speed of the gpu and that’s what’s causing the system to freeze?
odd siren
Yeah you kinda got it in one there
It's being pushed further than normal
Causing possible crashing, I suspect anyway
livid idol
Pc just won’t shut off now lmao
I'll update mine and see if I have the same problem, give me a few.
drowsy mirage
Okay, that makes sense
livid idol
UGH this means I need to redo my CO and RAM overclocks
odd siren
If it was GPU, you'd normally see a different error, not livekernel necessarily
DDU sort of rules it out
A good way to test this, downclock the crap out of the cpu or gpu
Then retest
PSU could also cause it, but usually is a bit more dramatic by tripping out
drowsy mirage
Gotcha, which is why it wasn’t corrupting the driver when I was restarting the system,
odd siren
Yeah
solid glacier
I'll update mine and see if I have the same problem, give me a few.
Just @ me if you get the same problem/ found a resolution
odd siren
If you have only a semi decent psu, let's say a reasonable not amazing 1000W, I'd also be sus
solid glacier
Ty!
odd siren
Just for context btw spaghetti I've done the block on RDNA 3 lol. I have 2 XTX's
And 13th gen as well
AMD is a bit more straightforward with radeon problems normally
drowsy mirage
So I’m gonna undo my oc on the cpu and retest the card with the ram on gear 2 and see if it stays stable, I do have an ASUS 1000w Thor psu but I’m planning on moving away from ASUS all together
odd siren
Thor is a good unit
I'd stick with it tbh
A good 1000W can do 13900K + XTX
I know cos I've done it myself
Even with an overclock
1000W isn't the true limit after all with good ones
Iirc Thor is like, Focus platinum? I was doing it on Focus gold, so that should give some context
drowsy mirage
Gotcha, it’s the gold rated model
odd siren
Ah I thought it was that platinum cybernetics one my bad
Still a good model
They're seasonic oem iirc
Or seasonic shared platform
CWZ?
I can't remember atm, been working
My suspicion rn though is really if the CPU maybe degraded a bit on auto oc settings, potentially leading to these issues
drowsy mirage
Gotcha, well, let me get the gpu swapped in and I’ll give you an update on the situation, thank you for the help, I greatly appreciate it
odd siren
Np
You'll have a good idea what the play is next if that works out
But ping me to lmk
It's really RMA'ing the cpu on those previous articles
(Not telling them you OC'd ofc)
drowsy mirage
Yes ofc
odd siren
Livekernal reminds me of my infinity fabric being unstable on this chip, I got a lot of errors on my Ryzen pertaining to that from instability
I clocked it back through testing and that error disappeared
So I have a pretty strong inclination this is related to stability
Livekernelevent 141 specifically at that
drowsy mirage
I’ll do some tests and see what happens, I’m curious as to why the problem only occurs in games and not in a benchmark or stress test. It would have to be a different kind of load
Right?
odd siren
Likely it's running shaders through the cpu putting it at high load
And that high load happens at the very start normally
Which
As it has been described
Is what sounds like is when you crash
So yeah my current suspicion is definitely on cpu/board rn
I love a KP, great board, but this all sounds like it's pre-intel lga1700 scandal shenanigans
So it lines up if true
drowsy mirage
Okay, I’ll do some more research on that as well
drowsy mirage
I will
odd siren
Actually you know what
The 1000W gold asus strix
Is literally the Focus GX 1000W, so same psu here lol
So I'm actually as in tune with this pc as you are
I ran a Unify X with a 13900KF, Merc 310 XTX and a waterloop with a Focus GX 1000W
drowsy mirage
So, got the gpu installed tried to launch a practice round on XDefiant and it crashed at the loadout screen, stock on the cpu
I’m gonna reset the cmos and see if that changes anything
odd siren
Did you try underclocking the cpu or gpu
Like try setting the 13900K to run say, 4GHz all core for example
drowsy mirage
Not yet but I’ll do it now
cerulean rover
Tried running ram at jedec yet?
odd siren
iirc I don't recall the freq clock feature being fixed yet for RDNA 3
Yeah jedec is another good idea
Good thought
You could do jedec on top of downclocking the cpu even
drowsy mirage
Okay
Looks like I’m gonna be shopping for a new cpu, 4ghz system stable, xmp enabled and memory on gear 2, gpu stock speeds
drowsy mirage
But there was a problem with the old xtx, mofo was crashing the driver so hard it didn’t even know it was a Radeon card
odd siren
Fair enough
drowsy mirage
And yes very productive
odd siren
So my next suggestion
drowsy mirage
Thank you so so much, you’ve cleared up a massive headache
odd siren
Go look up intel stock specifications
drowsy mirage
Will do
odd siren
I want you to find the running spec for 13900k
And input to bios manually
Iccmax is like 307A
Power limit 250?
It's something like that
Put these in manually into bios, return cpu clocks to auto
Try this test again, see if it crashes
Don't use the auto oc anymore
Cos the flipside of this, is that the cpu was just always unstable under those bios settings
So worth a shot, might resolve the entire headache
And solve any future possible degradation
drowsy mirage
I’m gonna do that, I have the spec sheet pulled up
odd siren
Awesomesauce
drowsy mirage
lol, game froze while I was reading, gonna try that jedec thing
odd siren
Oh it froze at 4ghz?
Hmmge
Well you never know, still worth a quick try
Would be sadge if it's that far degraded tho
Long multicore workloads will do that however
drowsy mirage
Yeah, I didn’t touch the power limits but it was running good the longest it has since I received the card so it’s progress
odd siren
Hence why intel "spec" is now a thing
Ah well we made good progress then yeah
If the gpu was still hard crashing with all this downclocking I'd have said rma the card again tbh
But getting better with lower clock is a very good sign so far
drowsy mirage
I’m gonna input the intel spec power settings and see if it is just trying to give the cpu more power than it needs
What microcode version should I use, it’s giving me two options, Raptor Lake 0x105 and 0x112
odd siren
Since as I said the bios team have been gone forever, I'd just stick to your current bios
drowsy mirage
Okay
odd siren
I'll be back around in maybe 20
drowsy mirage
Okay
odd siren
Ok we're so back
drowsy mirage
Crashed again with the power specs matching, currently running the test for the under clocked gpu
It did run a while longer though
drowsy mirage
Stock intel spec with the cpu underclocked and the ram at jedec
drowsy mirage
Looks like it’s running stable with the gpu underclocked
odd siren
Ok that makes things interesting then
Try cpu back to intel spec stock, xmp on, gpu further underclocked
odd siren
Auto if you don't know what it does
drowsy mirage
It just sets the range for the max voltage right?
I’ll just set it to auto to be safe
odd siren
Lmk lmk
drowsy mirage
Didn’t crash in the practice arena gonna try an online match because there will be more going on
Crashed 20 seconds in to the online match
odd siren
So it's still touch and go or is it better even more so than before
drowsy mirage
Was doing good in the practice arena for about 10 minutes and crashed the second I started moving in the online match
But progress
odd siren
Live kernel, but cpu and gpu aid stability not fix it with downclock
Try one more config
Cpu intel spec stock, gpu stock, ram xmp off
drowsy mirage
Okay
odd siren
If this crashes hard then I might even say windows could be the culprit
It's behaving agnostically
Which tells me it's something maybe exclusive to the other two
drowsy mirage
I can run an sfc scan
drowsy mirage
At least that can tell us if windows is being nefarious
Sfc scan found some corrupt files claims it repaired them
odd siren
Interesting
drowsy mirage
Running xmp off config
odd siren
Question, when you set core clocks did you set e cores as well
drowsy mirage
I set the ratio limit to 4ghz on the performance cores but wasn’t able to find the e cores
odd siren
Ok I'll remember this for after
drowsy mirage
Yeahh…
odd siren
Do you have space to try a second windows
drowsy mirage
One sec I’m gonna have my girlfriend restart the pc and I’m gonna hold my ear against the power supply to listen. If I don’t respond it’s because the psu carried out its master plan successfully
odd siren
LOL
drowsy mirage
Didn’t hear the click on restart but I’m gonna have it crash and listen again
No click after crash
odd siren
Interesting
drowsy mirage
It happens randomly not every restart causes the click
odd siren
I would look at setting up a second windows now/using a windows from another pc
See if the problem carries over
drowsy mirage
I can reinstall windows but as far as I know I don’t have access to a second drive
odd siren
Up to you if you want to reinstall
drowsy mirage
It wouldn’t take too long
odd siren
You can also install to the existing drive but it can really screw things around having 2 on 1
I would say to rule out the variable, knocking windows out would be a positive start
drowsy mirage
I’m gonna reinstall windows and test again tomorrow when I get off of work, I’m gonna be giving the card to my cousin to test it as well
odd siren
Alright
Definitely good to give to cousin too
If they have the same problems, it's the card again
Cardigan
See how we go from here
drowsy mirage
If it is the card again it’s gonna cost $70 to ship it to them for yet another RMA 
Off to bed for now, thanks again for the assistance, couldn’t of done without
odd siren
No problem
odd siren
If it is the card again it’s gonna cost $70 to ship it to them for yet another R...
We'd talk to sapphire about them covering the cost the 2nd time
Not your fault
Good night
drowsy mirage
Goodnight
heady turtle
Yes but you could do way nicer parts for less
Would do this personally
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vPMyCd
keen nacelle
Heres another option, biggest thing is psu
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XM2BVW
Gf1 2024 and CX aren't great
AGF is A tier
heady turtle
It's like b tier isn't it? I suppose only 5 more for a tier
keen nacelle
It's like b tier isn't it? I suppose only 5 more for a tier
What is?
Gf1?
Regular gf1 is high b tier but 2024 version is more like c tier
plush garden
What is?
Do you have a a good pc build for around 12-1300 bucks ?
Preferably no and card
No amd card
heady turtle
Regular gf1 is high b tier but 2024 version is more like c tier
Ah i thought regular was a and 2024 was b
keen nacelle
Ah i thought regular was a and 2024 was b
Yeah it doesn't make sense
keen nacelle
Do you have a a good pc build for around 12-1300 bucks ?
That 3080 ti probably best value out of the options I linked, but it also has highest power draw
3080 ti=4070 super roughly
4070 ti is around 10% better if I remember right
drowsy mirage
We'd talk to sapphire about them covering the cost the 2nd time
The reinstall of windows did very little in the way of fixing things, however running stress tests on the cpu didn’t cause any failures
odd siren
The reinstall of windows did very little in the way of fixing things, however ru...
So the cpu isn't having issues anymore?
drowsy mirage
It wasn’t having issues before the card was installed and it didn’t have issues when the old card failed, it was running OC’d with the 3080ti which is also OC’d
odd siren
It wasn’t having issues before the card was installed and it didn’t have issues ...
Yeah, I think it's fair to say the card might not be fixed still then
Full windows wipe and a flat stability test with imposed limits on other parts, the gpu seems to be the common factor
What matters though is that we tested it under the pretense that the cpu could've been unstable and we seem to have isolated that part out
Ram as well
But there was windows corruption so it might not be all black and white
What I will say is this, you don't deserve to pay for a 2nd rma