graphics-cards

[spare relic]

I built my first pc on a dining table I think?

[olive bobcat]

Just do not

Put it on tile

[lone pond]

ofc not lmao

[spare relic]

that was one pc ago

I built this one on a little side table

[odd siren]

If you got a friend then get him to tbh

Sling him a $50 or a lunch/beer

[lone pond]

yeah no 100 thats what im doing lol

[odd siren]

That imo is better than buying prebuilt

No shame in it

[olive bobcat]

^^^

[odd siren]

Hell you could even do Bacca's list with 64gb

Though you'd lose a fair bit of multicore, I'd be wary of it

But it's far from unusable for what you have in mind

Boop
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Gf6Zvj

[lone pond]

also im gonna have likle

3 monitors

so uh

idk if thats like

super demanding or

[odd siren]

That's a gpu side thing

CPU don't really care

[spare relic]

gpu shouldn't mind running more than one monitor either

unless it's gonna be splitting its resources between multiple gpu tasks

but even that's not a question of multiple monitors, rather multiple rendering/encoding instances

[odd siren]

@lone pond change the ram to this if you didn't grab the vengeance when it was $149-ish earlier:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FhcG3C/gskill-ripjaws-s5-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr5-5600-cl28-memory-f5-5600j2834f32gx2-rs5k

Vengeance not worth the normal price

[solid glacier]

I need a build for 2k

Just for heavy gaming

1440p resolution

[odd siren]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JYQsxH
https://www.zotacstore.com/us/zt-d40810d-10p-o

Monitor if you need one
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Lv4Zxr/acer-acer-nitro-xv272u-w2bmiiprx-270-2560-x-1440-240-hz-monitor-umhx2aa201

[solid glacier]

What if I switch the gpu to rhe 7900xtx

[odd siren]

You could if you want to, would say not worth rn

This 4080 deal is just way better atm

Comes straight from the manufacturer so it's only open box by technicalities

It should be a perfectly working card

[lilac osprey]

Can anyone imagine an advantage to a video card simultaneously using two PCIe connectors? Do you think that will ever happen?

[spare relic]

what

[lilac osprey]

A video card with two PCIe pins plugged in to two PCIe connectors at once. Imagine...

[odd siren]

PCIe x32 when

[woeful stump]

@livid idol nope noting worked. Fell asleep

[spare relic]

https://tenor.com/view/a-mimir-eep-eepy-cat-sleep-gif-1640442240488704130

[odd siren]

from a brief read of what you're experiencing, in the event the gpu needs repair, that's likely to be a not bad one

though not really worth paying for repair, 5700XT worth about $120 nowadays

cleaning the slots may also do something

as long as the gpu itself isn't badly scratched where those gold fingers are

when I mean bad I mean like, gouged

this is fine for example

https://i.stack.imgur.com/gjb8A.jpg

this is concerning for example

https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.c79b340a595e7f9fb006728a3aec3b4b?rik=MFBXEza1hZtecg&riu=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FGKX2wDl.jpg&ehk=Sh7vW8KUH3zvRcxUofoGEaKJhWsEWY%2FSsX5mwlg%2BKA8%3D&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0

[spare relic]

https://tenor.com/view/dentist-teeth-tom-and-jerry-broken-hartz-iv-gif-17391227995120634503

[odd siren]

this is, lord pray for them

https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.PLKefIJgp3LNBOxYY1KPqgHaDV?rs=1&pid=ImgDetMain

[woeful stump]

Thing is I wasn’t planning to buy anything until next year

Well I won’t bother with it because we’re im from we don’t have techs with resources to even attempt to fix toothless

[odd siren]

It's unfortunate but if it's kaput then well

Yeah you'd be looking at repair

I have no idea what the degree of difficulty is for replacing a pcie finger

Hopefully not difficult

[woeful stump]

I was thinking of maybe slapping some soldering in the line while hopefully touching the exposed piece were the gold tooth came from

But my eyes aint zoom x100 to see

[odd siren]

Oh wow apparently buildzoid can explain it in under 15 minutes, which is a record
https://youtu.be/WpKiIKtGczQ?si=LhGthQjj8iFHunT8

He normally takes 30 minutes to hours to explain something

[spare relic]

https://tenor.com/view/yapper-yap-yapping-yuuka-hayase-yuuka-gif-13901751885714906186

[odd siren]

I imagine the fix would be somewhere along the lines of a press fit with a touch of solder for the finger to hold on where the exposed line is

But watch that video and others

I could be way off the mark, I really haven't done a repair like that before

(Nor many other kinds for that matter)

[solid glacier]

I wanna get a ATX build

Not micro lol

[odd siren]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gxbg4M
https://www.zotacstore.com/us/zt-d40810d-10p-o

monitor I've still got there just inside the list now

[solid glacier]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6WzcjH

How’s this

Overkill

[odd siren]

compromise
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6rwQxH

[solid glacier]

I wanna stick with my 7900xtx

[odd siren]

up to you, though the 4080 is definitely a way better buy for 100 less imo. Also ships direct from the manufacturer so it's extremely likely it's in perfect working order

[solid glacier]

I wanna get the y 70 touch case

But 370)$ is insane

[keen nacelle]

Gpu oos :(

[odd siren]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO

[raven wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-collapse-defeated-gif-14214156

[odd siren]

rest in piece the greatest 4080 deal of the last year

[vital oriole]

no more zotac

[odd siren]

that one will be hard to beat

830 is insane

it puts it at almost as good value for money as the 7800xt or 6800xt

better than 7900xt

[keen nacelle]

4070 ti at 650 is still ntb

[odd siren]

it's literally like, 5% worse value than a 4070 super that 4080 deal was

for a flagship class that's insane

[keen nacelle]

Yeah RIP

[raven wharf]

xfx 6950 is still 580 on amazon i think

[odd siren]

adjust this to 827.99 and the running value is about $5.87 per frame

oops posted only super

4070 ti at 650 is also disgusting

$5.60 per frame

[woeful stump]

@odd siren hey I ended up getting a gtx 1060 sc 6gb from someone here in my country

It’s working fine for now. Hopefully everything lasts until next year we’re I do the new build.

[patent ice]

I Just upgraded to amd but my pc keeps restarting for no reason

[cerulean rover]

Any symptoms and what does event viewer say?

[livid idol]

When does it restart? (idle, gaming, etc) Is there a blue screen or does it just instantly restart?

And did you reinstall windows or use your old install?

[keen nacelle]

Also what power supply and what gpu

[heady turtle]

gpu or cpu? if gpu, DDU then try reinstall your drivers if cpu reinstall windows

?ddu

[neat venture]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[solid glacier]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6WzcjH

[solid glacier]

https://www.newegg.com/sapphire-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-11322-02-20g/p/N82E16814202429

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-rx7900xtx-pg-24go/p/N82E16814930081?Item=N82E16814930081

is there a differenece between these 2

[livid idol]

Effectively no, they're both very good XTX models

The only real difference is the looks

[solid glacier]

i wanna get the hyte y70 touch case but its on back order until a month from no

wnow

i wanted the screen xD

only reasn for the case

[livid idol]

That's a good enough reason for me, it's a pretty unique feature

[woeful stump]

Sigh now im faced with new problem

Motherboard has power
Case fans spin
Gpu fan tries to spin but wont

So can ultimately be my mobo is bad or psu

[keen nacelle]

is the pc turning on?

gpu fans dont spin unless under load

[woeful stump]

Lights and fans. No display input detected.

[keen nacelle]

ah alr

and im assuming you ruled out gpu/display cable?

[woeful stump]

Yes

[keen nacelle]

is there another pcie slot on your mobo?

[woeful stump]

Tried it. Same thing.

[keen nacelle]

no bent cpu pins/socket pins?

if still no, I'd assume mobo next yeah

[woeful stump]

However my gpu would loose power while gaming for a while before this major hiccup but the light and fans would still be on

[keen nacelle]

hm

what model psu?

[woeful stump]

Now lights and fans are active. Even ssd lights are on

Aresgame 750watt

[keen nacelle]

ye replace that

aresgame does not make any good model psus

[woeful stump]

Now I have a gtx 1060 6gb. When I hook that up the fan attempts to spin

That’s another Amazon thing again. Having to deal with freight forwarding

Question

How can I rule out that the mobo may be ok?

[keen nacelle]

honestly it might not be, but if it isn't it's likely the psu that killed it.

either way I'd 100% replace the psu

[woeful stump]

Sigh ok

Thanks for the response.

[keen nacelle]

sorry for the bad news

[woeful stump]

I get it can never be to sure unless you change stuff

[solid glacier]

frick idk what to get

i wanna get the hyte y70 case

but its all on back order

[patent ice]

7800xt still dont know psu

[patent ice]

Both idle and gaming and instant reatart

[livid idol]

And this happened after installing a new GPU? DDU would be the first thing to try.

?ddu

[neat venture]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[patent ice]

I installed new motherboard cpu ram and gpu

But it hasnt happend in a few hours

[livid idol]

Ah, you probably want to do a whole new installation of Windows then. There's often bugs if you use the same install across multiple motherboards, especially if they're different chipsets, and double especially if you switch Intel to AMD.

[patent ice]

Ah ok

[patent ice]

But i do have something else since i switches to amd my display is like blurry you know why?

[livid idol]

Did you install the AMD drivers, and remove the old ones?

[patent ice]

Yes

[livid idol]

Did you set the correct resolution in the amd settings?

[patent ice]

Uh idk tbh

[odd siren]

@patent ice did you ever check what psu it was

[patent ice]

Ummm no

Dont know how

[odd siren]

Open the back and read the label (of course, do this with the pc off)

It's extremely important, if the PSU isn't up to the task, you can get issues like this

Full name (not just brand), wattage, efficiency classification

[patent ice]

Even if my psu is bad i am not able to upgrade it rn

But my dad said i need to take the whole pc apart to see it

[odd siren]

You said this last time lol

Well, if you manage to amend the issue with no more problems then good, but I stress this for an extremely serious reason. Underspec'd psu's can lead to anything on the gamut of bad, to as much as a house fire, if you aren't considerate of the specs

[patent ice]

Ok

But is a bad psu a reason for my display being blurry?

[odd siren]

No, but for all the restarts you're getting, it very much can be

When OCP fails from oversupply of the psu, the ocp trips get worse and worse

Until basically, the pc refuses to ever turn on

I'm not saying this is specifically your issue, but more a PSA

[patent ice]

The restarts is fixed i think but i just switched from intel and Nvidia to amd so is that it

[odd siren]

Never that

Not unless there's a specific sample defect

[odd siren]

This would be why the screen is blurry

Some default installs flick to a lower resolution

[patent ice]

How u change that i cant see it

[odd siren]

Right click desktop > display settings

[patent ice]

it is now fixed i think for some reason

[patent ice]

https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/Ckqvh3 this is my current pc build but with my next upgrade i am gonna buy a new psu

but rn cant afford it

[patent ice]

it is on 1920 1080 but it is still blurry like sometimes it is blurry and sometimes not

[acoustic locust]

You guys have any opinions on directional pin adapters? My Brother in law is trying to make his new 4070 super fit his case but the 12 pin cable wants about 35mm more then he has space to the glass and saw them pop up as an option https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C7FP2J93?ref_=cm_sw_r_apan_dp_58EB577GMEFGYGA3DKF4&language=en-US

[odd siren]

Fire hazard

Hold on let me find something safer

@acoustic locust ok this is awkward

What psu have you got rn

Oh sorry your brother

Cablemod have 90 degree cables

But they're restricted to certain psu's

I can't find generic extensions from them

The other suggestion instead would be moddiy

They have a 12vhpwr cable that is extremely flexible

But I believe they only do to specific psus as well, could be wrong

[acoustic locust]

Waiting on him to hit me back with the make and model thx for the help

https://www.newegg.com/rosewill-photon-650-continuous-650w-at-40-degrees-celsius/p/N82E16817182322R

His PSU

[odd siren]

Ah yes

@acoustic locust https://www.moddiy.com/products/ATX-3.0-PCIe-5.0-600W-Triple-8-Pin-to-12VHPWR-16-Pin-Power-Cable.html see if you can contact them about that unit

You want the soft silicone variant iirc

Very flexible

But see if they'll do a full rosewill compatible version, or if not, just an extension

Otherwise, I'd suggest going with an $80 corsair rm750e and a cablemod right angle 12vhpwr cable for corsair (I believe it's the C series)

Or changing case altogether

[junior locust]

aren't Cablemod angled 12vhprw adapters like no good anymore?

[odd siren]

The adapters aren't

But the cables are still supposedly fine

No burning/melting pcb involved

Just a right angle terminal

I use a cablemod 12vhpwr cable

Had it in my rig for over a year now

[acoustic locust]

Ty

[lime kelp]

I just RMAed a 7600XT it had some issues with the drivers and black screening also underperforming alot.. they are brand new.. so im looking at a 3060 RTX for like 250$

Cheaper, im guessing its sorta its competitor.

[spare relic]

7600 xt is just a 7600 with more vram and a 3060 is a bit lesser

[odd siren]

I'm guessing that's a new 3060? Which means it's gonna be one of the 6gb ones

Which is more like 3050 Ti

[lime kelp]

Ill link it

[odd siren]

Here are 3 suggestions
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/z9H7YJ/powercolor-fighter-radeon-rx-6650-xt-8-gb-video-card-axrx-6650xt-8gbd6-3dh
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6jn9TW/xfx-speedster-swft-210-core-radeon-rx-7600-xt-8-gb-video-card-rx-76pswftfy
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RFGbt6/xfx-radeon-rx-6700-xt-12-gb-speedster-swft-309-video-card-rx-67xtyjfdv

If you asked 2 days ago we had a $260 3060 ti and $300 3070

They're sold out now

[lime kelp]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08WPRMVWB?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

Thats the one

Thanks again

[odd siren]

Mehhhh

It's not horrible

But for pure value the 6650xt would be better in direct comparison

[lime kelp]

Gotcha alright ill look at them thanks

[odd siren]

Np

If the 3060 was 250

The 12gb

Then ye, I'd call it decent

It's a little bit high side

But* I mean $30 is not something I'd lose sleep over

[lime kelp]

I also found this

Sorry big link

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-RTX-4060-Architecture-2X/dp/B0C8BPW1SP/ref=pd_ci_mcx_pspc_dp_d_2_t_1?pd_rd_w=Af30M&content-id=amzn1.sym.568f3b6b-5aad-4bfd-98ee-d827f03151e4&pf_rd_p=568f3b6b-5aad-4bfd-98ee-d827f03151e4&pf_rd_r=HX6C3QN7RB8MBJSYQCGD&pd_rd_wg=0qQ1y&pd_rd_r=dd81b41d-182a-4445-bd60-a06191b220a3&pd_rd_i=B0C8BPW1SP

Around the same price

Im thinking this one is the one to buy over all others for that price range

[odd siren]

Better than the 3060

But still edged out by 6700xt

If $330 is still on your radar

[odd siren]

As far as value for money goes when I say this btw

Not just because it's purely faster

I'd say the 7600 is also slightly better overall

But depends on your value of RT

Which at this level is basically useless, but not totally useless

[lime kelp]

So heres a questions many of them have HDMI 2.1 will the monitor need to support that for better overall performance? I also searched about the display port, my monitor dosent have one.. Will using an adaptor with display port into a HDMI be useful?

[spare relic]

at 1080p you probably don't need very up to date hdmi cables/monitors, unless you get like high refresh monitors

[lime kelp]

ok yea display port cables do state they have much faster rates

e@spare relicunderstood

[spare relic]

gpus tend to have one hdmi and 3 dp these days, so you'll be able to just use hdmi to hdmi

but hdmi to dp would be fine too probably

[lime kelp]

Im sure this is true but, whereever theres an adaptor theres performance loss

Well thanks for your help guys

[spare relic]

this is true for analog/digital conversions but this is digital to digital

hdmi, dvi, dp, they're pretty much interchangeable display signals, just no audio signal when a basic dvi is involved

[solid glacier]

hey is there a similar monitor like the m27 qx?

or do i just reorder the same monitor

[keen nacelle]

The acer 310 240hz 1440p one

It's great

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Lv4Zxr/acer-acer-nitro-xv272u-w2bmiiprx-270-2560-x-1440-240-hz-monitor-umhx2aa201

[solid glacier]

I don’t like acer ngl lol

I don’t like how the color is on them, the color on the m27qx is amazing

[heady turtle]

Model matters not brand

Like everything in tech basically all major brands make crap and amazing products

[random walrus]

Also, unless you mean the color of the plastic monitor body itself, you can tune the colors to your liking

[heady turtle]

To an extent

Mostly the panel

And firmware

[odd siren]

I'll firm your wares in a minute

[keen nacelle]

I'll ware your firm in a minute

[novel musk]

does minecraft work with AMD GPU (i have 7900 XTX) if i install mods that involve higher texture pack like 256x and Graphic intense Shaders?

edit: it does

[heady turtle]

I mean ofc it does

Games aren't gpu specific

[novel musk]

i just got curious since RTX have ray trace and amd doesnt

but ig that doesnt apply to java

[heady turtle]

Actually your gpu does have ray tracing

And the only real Minecraft ray tracing that ik of anyway

Is the crappy cross platform one

[wicked hound]

Latest OpenGL (v4.6) does not support hardware acceleration for ray tracing. Java MC isnt even using newest OpenGL afaik.

[solid glacier]

yea ik, i had a 165 hz acer and i tried doing the coloring. it isnt that great as the m27qx

[random walrus]

Acer = brand

Not model

[solid glacier]

true

I mihgt just reorder the m27qx its such a good monitor but not sure if i should use the hdmi 2,0 slot on it or the dp..? i dont think it comes with a hdmi 2.0 cable

[solid glacier]

also alot of these reviews on yt are saying its a cheap monitor

[livid idol]

HDMI 2.0 tops out at 144Hz at 1440p

[fading glacier]

amd also have ray tracing

[solid glacier]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6WzcjH

Is there a better case I can get for similar price

[solid glacier]

Anyone got a link for good 48gb ram sticks

[livid idol]

48GB sticks or 48GB kits?
Either way you can just pick the cheapest and overclock them since there's only one 24Gb die right now.

[solid glacier]

I don’t wanna go with “cheap ram” I wannna make sure I buy good ram lol

[livid idol]

That's my point, they're all the same regardless

[solid glacier]

ohh

[solid glacier]

kits

[livid idol]

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/KbLdnQ,zPfxFT/

Both will overclock pretty much the same, the X5 is if you don't mind overclocking, the S5 is for running at xmp.

On a 7800X3D the memory speed/latency won't make a huge difference. The 3D cache more than makes up for slower memory.

[odd siren]

That can be micron

Rev B 24gbit afaik is nothing like 5M16A but it's not hynix by any stretch

[odd siren]

Actually you know what I'm not even sure

They have hynix style xmp's but I know micron exists in the CL40 skus

Weird

Might be worth verifying that

[livid idol]

Does micron have 24Gb dies on consumer chips yet? I thought they were still sampling that. I think the ECC memory has it already.

Looks like Crucial has a couple sticks but they have really bad timings

5600 46-45-45 and 6000 48-48-48

[odd siren]

Ye they do, up to 7000 afaik

7000 CL40

They might have higher

I haven't been researching it much, I might look into it today

[odd siren]

ok

you want low CAS

Freq doesn't matter

just low CAS

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RV4Zxr/gskill-ripjaws-s5-48-gb-2-x-24-gb-ddr5-6400-cl32-memory-f5-6400j3239f24gx2-rs5k

[unique relic]

I got this 3080 some days ago from my cousin, repasted its thermal paste, put some new thermal pads and even put some additional ones to the backplate since evga has none there by default, however theres a bit of a bend in pcb and backplate, temps are fine these dont affect my temps but will it be harmful to the card?

also ik I shouldnt daisy chain, I only took 1 pcie cable with me thinking that I had one more in case but apparently not, I'll put one more separate cable to the card later

should I loosen some of the screws that X shape metal has? or is it fine

[solid glacier]

Is the ram in my list good?

[odd siren]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sGY9PF

they have the exact same kit but cheaper

I also swapped the psu and cooler to much better choices

[solid glacier]

I’m prolly gonna get the phanetek case

[solid glacier]

Is there a better case than that or nah

[livid idol]

There's always a better case

[craggy pier]

I'm a sucker for anything fractal

[livid idol]

Same tbh, lots of good stuff from them both for performance and looks

I grabbed a Torrent

[craggy pier]

I have a phantek rn actually, really nice case as well

Has good qol options

Plus plenty of room in the back for hiding wires

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vshFf7/phanteks-eclipse-p200a-drgb-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec200atg_dbk01

Bought this for 80$

[livid idol]

Not bad

They have had good quality for the price I've heard

[craggy pier]

It was sixty with the rebate but i got lazy and never found it out lol

[livid idol]

Statistically only about 30% of people do fill those out

[craggy pier]

Fair enough

[livid idol]

That's how they can keep offering the rebates and still count on making money off the promo

[solid glacier]

So this ram is better than mine? In my old lost?

List

As long as it’s good for warzone

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6WzcjH

i wanna prolly OC to get 300 fps in warzone like streamers xD but i suck at ooc

so would my build be good for oc or should i change it

[hot bough]

way overkill for warzone

....

[random walrus]

I'd be surprised if OCing got you noticeable perf gains

[keen nacelle]

On ddr5 it would

Ddr5 is super easy to do some basic tuning and helps a lot with 1% lows

Also if someone happens to be doing music production

[hot bough]

Usually it does for me.

[random walrus]

ohhh ram oc

[hot bough]

Squeezed out about 15% or more on my AM4 system on average by OCing all parts.

[random walrus]

what gpu/cpu?

[livid idol]

AM4 definitely benefits from faster memory, to a point

15% sounds about right actually

[random walrus]

yeah I thought Frosty meant the gpu cause #graphics-cards

[hot bough]

was a 5700G + 3070 (my GPU ocs like 💩 ) with the exception of a decent vram oc.

[random walrus]

oh so probably cpu limited there

[hot bough]

unclear, maybe?

[random walrus]

currently afaik most modern gpus really only see up to 5% gain with OC, might be misinformed though

[hot bough]

On my current annoying CPU, prior to dealing with getting it fixed I did ram oc and squeezed out some decent gains.

[hot bough]

Still not bad though.

[random walrus]

not bad, but for example it would take Frosty here from 300 -> 315 fps or ~285 -> 300. Not a huge difference

[hot bough]

true.

IMO if you are OCing you should do all major components otherwise it's not worth it.

[random walrus]

but yeah if he meant ram OC that will likely make an improvement especially for cod

mostly warzone, I think

[hot bough]

brought my 1% lows up like crazy and also took me from 130ish fps to 160 range highs.

[random walrus]

yeah that 5700G mighta been hurting you a little there lol

[hot bough]

xD.

the 5700g did about 80-90fps on average so definitely.

with 40-50fps lows

now I am hitting 100ish for lows and around 140+ consistently.

(definitely a gpu bottleneck)

[random walrus]

https://youtu.be/xtoi8b7tdx0?t=218

[hot bough]

highest I have seen my gpu usage go in warzone/mw3 is around 60%. usually sits around 30-40 range.

[random walrus]

yup, 100% lows are wayy worse on the 5700g lol

lil boost to fps too

[hot bough]

hopefully AMD support team can help me fix the random reboots I am experiencing with my 7950x3D.

Other then that infuriating issue, I am enjoying the experience.

[wicked hound]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiwuYbURWVI

Finally

[livid idol]

Ok well I guess I'm updating my drivers finally. I'm still on 537.13 from August.

[wicked hound]

I prolly need to downgrade my drivers. Pretty sure one of the updates from most recent to like 4 months ago broke VRR for me. But also maybe new app means I dont need to use hecking NVPI to disable VRR request states on a per program basis (NVCP per program basis for disabling VRR will disable monitor VRR, causing blackscreens with VRR toggling).

[random walrus]

I installed it

Does seem much more responsive

however the in-game overlay is now a big opaque rectangle that takes up the left third of the screen

and the FPS counter is just white text

[livid idol]

The OSD is customizable

Which is a new feature

[random walrus]

I guess i don't actually mean overlay, more like the menu you can pull up to control replay/recording

(ALT+Z)

[livid idol]

Oh I see what you mean

I prefer this over the old tbh

[random walrus]

Yeah I think that menu is more of a preference but the performance stats overlay seems to be a direct downgrade

[livid idol]

There's 3 position and 2 size settings, among other settings

[random walrus]

I do think the more in-depth customization is a great addition

Just needs an option for the old UI maybe

[livid idol]

Much better than it was before I think. That big opaque vertical rectangle that held all the stats before was such an eyesore.

[random walrus]

as someone who doesn't keep stats on all the time I liked the old one

I suppose they'll probably add more customization to the 'visibility' section

[livid idol]

Yeah this is still a beta, and they say more features are coming like total integration of the old NVCP settings.

[random walrus]

that'll be sweet

An option for some sort of modern antialiasing would be neat

[livid idol]

They have the "AI" HDR integrated

Plus all the old filters

[random walrus]

Some games cough, cough, helldivers 2 allow me to turn off TAA but don't have any other options so then my only option is FXAA

[random walrus]

yeah I saw a video about that earlier today. Pretty interesting

[livid idol]

I've tried using the Windows auto HDR and it's just... bad. So I really hope this is better.

Looking forward to HUB comparing the two

[random walrus]

this compares the windows auto hdr to the (modded) nvidia version
https://youtu.be/BditFs3VR9c

I assume the official Nvidia implementation is as good or better than the modded one

[gleaming tundra]

Anyone brought Nvidia stocks?

[wicked hound]

On win10 or win11? win10 AudioHDR is hell on earth, win11 is useable usually

[livid idol]

11

It made the colors extremely overblown

The darks were definitely darker, but too dark for the game I was testing

[raven wharf]

nice m42 background

atleast i think its m42

[livid idol]

It was nothing specific, just a random theme I downloaded. Something about galaxies in the name I think.

Might be M42, checked a reverse image search

Orion Nebula

The theme I got has Hubble shots as well as some "alien landscape" artist renditions of exoplanets

[raven wharf]

space is cool

i want to get into astrophotography but oh my god is it expensive and complicated

[odd siren]

About 0 kelvin to be exact

[raven wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/roblox-mighty-omega-gif-22253898

everytime you make a sarcastic reply to me you get that gif lmao

its happening too often

[odd siren]

The face in my pfp is the face of my current laughter

[odd siren]

I did some astronomy at university and honestly it left me concerned

One subject I was drawing the moon every week and this was my assignment worth 15%

It may as well be astrophotography at that point but also, I learned basically nothing for an elective lmao

[raven wharf]

astrology or astronomy?

i just want to clarify lmao

[odd siren]

LOL OOPS

Well spotted

I mix them up a lot

I mean who can blame me after drawing the moon

[raven wharf]

not much to draw at a glance lol

like this is the kinda stuff i want to be doing, i love this guy i watch him all the timehttps://youtu.be/vH7B2NieEoo?si=SjwxfxYpQlLAHabJ

[odd siren]

Ye I sorta picked up on that

I used to love astronomy as a kid

[raven wharf]

its so complicated

[odd siren]

Eh

Just point adjust click

Lightroom it up in here

Actually you know what I really did just describe like 3 hours work to the uninitiated lmfao

[raven wharf]

no i mean

the editing portion

to get actually good photos

stacking images etc

[odd siren]

It doesn't seem too crazy to me idk

The editing part though I've been photoshopping since I was like 13 so that part comes pretty easily to me now

The telescopes tho won't be cheap

You've already got a pretty good computer for this, have you looked into telescopes?

You don't even need to use photoshop, there are a lot of good enough alternatives

[raven wharf]

yeah they are all expensive just like pc parts

the two hobbys i want to get into are both very expensive and complicated lol

[odd siren]

Lol

[raven wharf]

i have a telescope i got for christmas like a year ago

[odd siren]

Hey you do good at it and make it a career you consider it an investment at that point

[raven wharf]

seeing jupiter and saturn through it is a bucketlist thing

its so cool

[raven wharf]

eh not much money to be made there imo, itd just be a hobby thing, I couldnt see myself ever doing it as a career

[odd siren]

I mean astronomy mb

Astronomy is as much the physics as it is the documentation and photography

Working at an observatory for example

[raven wharf]

very limited jobs and far away

[odd siren]

Don't let your dreams be dreams

:nike:

[livid idol]

https://tenor.com/view/no-gif-6533142189269812111

2.7K is more exact

[odd siren]

I'll 2.7 u in a minutr

[odd siren]

2.7 only in measurable space

[odd siren]

Big bang u in a minute

[candid spindle]

Wait I'm trying to understand, so the most powerful GPU that AMD has to offer for gaming is the RX7900 XTX and it costs around 950 - 1000$ but the RTX 4090 costs around double than that???????

[keen nacelle]

Yeah xtx is around 930, recently 4090 hasn't often been below 1800

[ionic summit]

Yea ? What don’t you understand? Spec wise the 4090 blows the 7900xtx out of the water..

[keen nacelle]

And xtx is slightly better than the 4080 super

[keen nacelle]

What does blows it out of the water mean

It's a 25-30% difference

[candid spindle]

Yeah but but it offers way more VRAM for the cost (Honestly, AMD was always better in that regard...)

[keen nacelle]

You talking bout 4080 or 90

Bc 4090 has more vram than xtx

[candid spindle]

4090 but the RX 7900XTX costs way less

[keen nacelle]

Not that it really matters gaming, anything over 16gb is overkill

[candid spindle]

Not in gaming lol

But for machine learning

[keen nacelle]

Ah yeah

[candid spindle]

Running LLMs locally for example... even though there are models that requires more than 140GB of VRAM

[keen nacelle]

2080 ti modded to 22gb x5

[candid spindle]

But for gaming, for me 8GB of VRAM is enough

[keen nacelle]

Yeah im on a 3060 ti, prolly upgrading towards the end of the year for a very stupid reason

[candid spindle]

Lol did someone actually mod

[keen nacelle]

Yeah

For AI I believe

[candid spindle]

Had the RX 6800XT but now I have the RTX 3070

[keen nacelle]

My 3060 ti needs new fans and paste/pads but I don't feel like dealing with it because I am incredibly clumsy and heavy handed

[candid spindle]

I know it's not a better card but I just wanted all the exclusive features that NVIDIA has to offer...

[keen nacelle]

I had a 6800xt for a bit too

But it caused issues in the game I play 98% of the time

[candid spindle]

This is a beast for those who hackintosh their PCs

[keen nacelle]

So I went back to my 3060 ti and sold it for what I paid

[candid spindle]

Yeah I don't really like AMD compatibility when it comes to gaming...3

[keen nacelle]

I think that 6800xt was just faulty

[candid spindle]

It's good in most games but NVIDIA works better for me

[keen nacelle]

Since two of my friends use an amd gpu in the same game

I gtg for a bit

[candid spindle]

Okay bye was nice chatting with you!

[odd siren]

Both 24gb

[odd siren]

For machine learning, until any headway is made in things like Zluda for example AMD will always be on the back foot against Nvidia there

Nvidia against itself really even

Cards like the 3090 are better than the equivalent 4070 Ti due to the choked bit bus

Not just the vram afaik

[keen nacelle]

oh mb thought both xt and xtx had 20gb

[odd siren]

Nah xt has 20

I mean both are extreme really

Depending on the use case ofc

[quasi flicker]

Any recommendations on cheap-ish upgrades for a 1660S? It doesn't seem to have enough power for my friend to use for VR or enough VRAM for the other things he does.

[keen nacelle]

whats the budget?

open box 6700xt on newegg is 260

[quasi flicker]

Actually, he might be able to get a 7800 XT

[quasi flicker]

$600, apparently. I assume that's counting tax.

Not sure what the wattage is on his PSU, though

[keen nacelle]

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx-6900-xt-rx6900xt-ocf-16g/p/N82E16814930057T?Item=N82E16814930057T&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-14-930-057T-_-02232024

If he needs psu, $90 gf a3 850w

Otherwise there's 6800xt $430 open box or $460 new, 7800xt $500 new, or 6700xt new $330 open box $250

[solid glacier]

questio

i ot all my parts ordered

but not my gpy yet

how much better is the 790xtx than the 4080 super

[odd siren]

Few % overall in games

I'd urge you specifically to try 4080 though @solid glacier

[solid glacier]

4080 instead of 4080 super?

[odd siren]

I feel like you've tried Radeon long enough

Yeah the open box one from zotac

927.99

https://www.zotacstore.com/us/zt-d40810d-10p-o

38 dBa card

At full load

Direct from manufacturer so it will come in working order or your money back

I have to correct myself @solid glacier it's $827.99

Way better than both xtx and 4080 super

[solid glacier]

only 16bg though

i feel like 24gb on the xtx is good

[solid glacier]

true but i bought a new monitor and it worked well no issues with my other build

[odd siren]

Until it had problems tho

Lol

[odd siren]

16gb is overkill in anything

Like, anything

$827 is way too good

Completely claps XTX and XT for $/fps

[solid glacier]

is there a 4080 uper n sale

[odd siren]

The cheapest is 999

Much worse value than the zotac

Similar performing card, worse price, worse pcb

[hot bough]

It's only like a 3-5% performance difference between the super and non super right?

[odd siren]

2%

[raven wharf]

Truly a super leap

[quasi flicker]

Could a Corsair CX650F be trusted with a 7800 XT?

Oh, he has an R5 2600X

[raven wharf]

you could probably get away with it depending how much power your 7700x draws

it should be fine youd just have to worry about spikes maybe

[quasi flicker]

No, this is for my friend

He has a 2600X and a 1660S at the moment, the 1660S doesn't exactly have enough power and sometimes VRAM for the things he does

[raven wharf]

ah

[quasi flicker]

I thought his CPU was newer

[raven wharf]

it likely should be fine

I run my 6950xt on a 750w corsair rme even though its technically suggested I use a 850w

mine is also gold rated so im not entirely sure

it wouldnt hurt to ask someone else

but Im going to say its likely fine as long as his cpu isnt super power hungry

[quasi flicker]

I have mine on a RM650x and it's fine, but I also have the 7700X in eco

Although I would probably be fine with just turning PBO off

[raven wharf]

7000 series ryzen is so power efficent I love it

my 7600 has never drawn more than like 80w

[quasi flicker]

hmm

So it really might be fine without PBO

[raven wharf]

the x varients are power hungrier

[quasi flicker]

I don't think I've ever seen the GPU go above 280W

[quasi flicker]

Well as long as it isn't boosting itself until it throttles I'm probably fine

[raven wharf]

mhm

i might do a cpu upgrade late this year, potentially once zen 5 comes around

for now though things are working fine for me

[quasi flicker]

I think the 2600X would hold a 7800 XT back at least a little

No PCIe 4, for one

And he has a Prime X470

I wonder if that would work with a 5000 series or if it even supports the same memory speeds

[raven wharf]

does he have the 7800 xt already

[quasi flicker]

No

[raven wharf]

honestly if he wants to upgrade Id suggest him using the money for the 7800 to make the jump to am5

if he has a microcenter near him they offer really good cpu/mobo/ram deals for am5

[quasi flicker]

Or at least more modern AM4

[raven wharf]

that too

[quasi flicker]

Closest one is an hour and a half away sadly

But maybe

[raven wharf]

1660s is still a decent card for how old it is

espically at lower resolution and graphic settings

idk thats just my take, you can ask someone smarter than me in here as well

obv its his money so its up to him with what he values most and wants to do

[quasi flicker]

Only Ryzen bundle I see atm is a 5800X3D

wait nvm, here's a 7700X

[keen nacelle]

Yep

Though I'd upgrade from that 2600x when possible

[livid idol]

Yes and memory is a non issue for AM4 because you don't want to run above 3600-4000 anyway, depending on your luck with FCLK.

[cyan vault]

Hey so is getting a temperature of 56 and a hotspot of 105 bad on a 7900 XTX? That sounds pretty bad to me

Just in helldivers 2 noticing my temps

[livid idol]

Yes the delta should not be that much

It'll either be bad paste or bad contact to the GPU die

Either way I recommend a repaste with MX-6

[cyan vault]

Alright i figured. I turned the fans up to 100% and it didn’t really affect the hotspot at all

[livid idol]

Small chance that it's one of the bad coolers that were recalled, since those were early batches.

[cyan vault]

Yeah I got in like January of last year? It was always at like 20-30C delta but I just realised it was 40-50 so probably not good

[livid idol]

If this is a new problem then it's definitely not the cooler. The bad ones were always bad and only in certain orientations. The heat pipes were either over- or under-filled with water so they didn't cool effectively.

[cyan vault]

It’s pretty new, surprised I didn’t notice it sooner. Only thing of note is I realized that I had my CPU and RAM running stock about two weeks ago and I set up the overclocks again which might’ve changed the temps

I’ll pick up some MX-6 and use it. I think I have some thermal grizzly stuff but it’s pretty old

Yikes

[spare dragon]

Hi new to forum. Was going to get a sapphire nitro+7900xtx from NE but it doesn't list with the (+) is this same card are or there 2 models+ and non +?
Thanks for any help

[cyan vault]

😭😭😭found the problem

[livid idol]

There's 2 models but the only difference is a minor overclock from the factory. You can do the same thing in 30 seconds.

[raven wharf]

supposedly 7900 gre launches publicly on the 27th at 549$ usd

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-7900-gre-to-launch-globally-on-february-27th-at-549

thoughts on that?

[keen nacelle]

Sounds like a counter to the 4070 super

Maybe they'll cut 7700xt/7800xt a bit

[raven wharf]

decent spec bump over the 7800

memory is a bit slower

[livid idol]

GN has one already, they're running it through the test suite

It's not a new GPU so no embargo to worry about

[random walrus]

Already been out for a while, in China I think?

[vital oriole]

It is available in europe

As well as china ofc

[random walrus]

$550 seems a bit high if a 6950xt matches/beats it at $480

Wait no

Misread the 6950xt price lol. $580

[odd siren]

quite a bit better than 7800xt afaik

or should be

yeah I never looked into it, but I should've doubted it before

HUB's review looks scuffed as hell

I'm looking at others and it just outruns a 6950XT

[livid idol]

30% more CUs and SPs, 10% lower clocks, the memory is the wild card there.

[odd siren]

It's probably very overclockable memory

[livid idol]

I'm sure it is but you know how it is, they always test with stock settings

[odd siren]

I believe most of all GDDR6 is 21gbps nowadays

ye ik

https://www.computerbase.de/2023-08/amd-rdna-2-rdna-3-gaming-vergleich/

[livid idol]

We could probably talk J2C into overclocking one

Do you think next gen will be G6W or G7?

[odd siren]

Get newegg to send me one and I'll do it

💀

[odd siren]

G7 is rumoured

[livid idol]

Yeah that's been the rumor for a while. There was rumblings about a possible G7 refresh of current gen too but I doubt those rumors.

[odd siren]

yeah no

they wouldn't do that

Not unless they did an ENTIRE refresh

Which would be Ampere V3

I don't think they can do much better with this node

[livid idol]

It's a bit late in the product cycle for that but imagine a 7950 XT with slammed power limits and G7

[odd siren]

Oh the rumour was for Nvidia. lol

I haven't heard anything from AMD's side

[livid idol]

I know, just saying

Would be sweet

[odd siren]

Oh yeah, they definitely can do it

Make a 700W stupid card with G7

It would trade blows with the 4090

But AMD's whole market campaign is on performance per watt

They can't really boast their usual form with something like that

[livid idol]

And performance per dollar

[odd siren]

But EVC'd the XTX can already trade blows with the 4090

Quite reliably in fact

[livid idol]

Yeah that was the inside rumor when the XTX was still in production. They had to choose between maxing it and dealing with more RMAs to compete with the 4090 and limiting it to sane levels so they have smaller coolers and more reliability.

[odd siren]

Long term, I agree with what they did tbh

[livid idol]

Same

4090 should have been called a titan, it's priced like one after all

Call it a titan and charge 3k

It'll still sell out

[odd siren]

speaking of titan

mine is now dying every time I turn the pc off

bug check 0x0...9f

[livid idol]

So what you're saying is... the titan fell

[odd siren]

lmao

[raven wharf]

so basically a 550 dollar 6950xt on rdna 3

thats unfortunate

[livid idol]

It's a good 5% better overall than the 6950 XT from what I see there but some of those games are over 10%

[raven wharf]

welp

i wished i waited a month

oh well

roughly how does it stack up against the 7800 xt

[livid idol]

How did I forget this was already reviewed https://youtu.be/Iqs6w0ABrvE?si=ZmFwem6nwYVvjVPu

[odd siren]

Ye that's the review I was talking about

[raven wharf]

i didnt know that was a thing

[odd siren]

it looks so much more scuffed in that and they didn't say a WORD about it

[raven wharf]

oh that was 6 months ago

[odd siren]

it's literally 33% more CU's and yet they have it trading blows with a 7800xt

like lmao

I am surprised I didn't think that was weird at the time

[livid idol]

Might be one to recommend to overclockers

Maybe the drivers have improved it a bit but yeah that is just embarassing

[raven wharf]

can someone explain memory bandwith and speed on a gpu

obv it makes a difference since the 6950xt exists

gpu memory in general confuses me

is it literally just bigger number = faster gpu?

[odd siren]

ye

in terms of radeon it scales way more than geforce

[raven wharf]

if the GRE is faster than the 7800 why is its memory slower then?

i apologize if thats a stupid question

[livid idol]

Because that's the way it was made

No more complicated than that

The additional compute units makes up for the memory speed

[raven wharf]

fair enough

will aib cards change any memory specs?

im sure they will up power limits a bit

[odd siren]

memory spec normally doesn't change, but the coolers and power limits do yes

if we're lucky those cards will ship with 18gbps spec, but most of the industry is on 21gbps minimum

so it'll have a high range of overclocking potential

[raven wharf]

6950xt is on a 18gbps compared to 16gbs on the regular 6900 right

also this videocardz website is so cool so theres so many obscure cards on here ive never seen

like what is this

[odd siren]

heh

I've never seen that either wtf

must be asia exclusive

[raven wharf]

https://videocardz.net/vastarmor-radeon-rx-6950-xt-16gb-alloy

[livid idol]

I'm pretty sure Samsung is still shipping 18Gb GDDR6 but I'm not sure about anything slower

[raven wharf]

also according to this website my xfx 6950xt doesnt exist

[odd siren]

I could go look at my old photos but I think AMD uses hynix or micron

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xt/images/memory.jpg

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-7800-xt/images/memory.jpg

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-radeon-rx-7700-xt-tuf/images/memory.jpg

yeah it'd be hynix I think

the 7700XT has same effective memory speed

these would all come from the same place, rated for different effective speed

hynix is great for radeon, frequency happy so scales well

typically anyway

[livid idol]

Based on vbios Samsung and Hynix are supported

https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/262245/sapphire-rx7900gre-16384-230616

Memory Support
16384 MB, GDDR6, Hynix H56G42AS8DX014
16384 MB, GDDR6, Samsung K4ZAF325BC

[odd siren]

that's rated for 20gbps and 24gbps

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-samples-24gts-gddr6-memory

so that actually confirms it's just downclocked

[livid idol]

https://tenor.com/view/excellent-happy-mr-burns-simpsons-satisfied-gif-16091269

[odd siren]

whgat's the hynix one look like

though that's not the same as the 7700xt one

hold on

yeah oops

that's not the right one

it's the same chip used on the 6500xt

it's minimum 18gbps I just am not seeing any reference

[livid idol]

That's the same as the memory used on the XTX

So you can expect it to hit that speed at a minimum

[odd siren]

up to 21gbps then

18-21-ish

[raven wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/math-confuse-numbers-gif-10041147

[odd siren]

with 2 sources confirming 20

[livid idol]

We do tend to lose a lot of people when the we get really technical like this lol

[odd siren]

[olive bobcat]

You lose me immediately when talking about anything over 4 letters

[livid idol]

You mean you can't decode the H56G42AS8DX014? I thought everyone could ||/s||

[raven wharf]

i like watching them be smart

they just tell me what to buy/fix when i have questions

[livid idol]

Long story short, the 7900 GRE may have poor showings for stock performance but it should be easy to overclock the memory to be much, much faster.

+2000 on afterburner slider goes brrrrrr

[raven wharf]

how much is much much

[odd siren]

much much

like much much much

[olive bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-scared-bro-mark-philips-rdcworld1-i'm-afraid-i-don't-like-this-gif-17546107237132067615

[raven wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/roblox-mighty-omega-gif-22253898

[livid idol]

It's stock speed is 18Gbps but the memory itself is rated for 20 or more

So a good 10% on the memory

[odd siren]

what this reminds me of

is the 3070 vs 3070ti nonsense

It would be a significant gain if the chips allow it

[livid idol]

+2%

[odd siren]

to the point where a 7900xt might hold not a lot of relevance

that said, a 7900xt itself has a fair bit of headroom

RDNA 3 loves fast memory

like RDNA 2

[odd siren]

https://youtu.be/-3o4sZklnJo?si=RgppL7bzC5VaBYEl

Right between 7900XT/7800XT

That makes enough sense

Comparable to 6950XT with newer feautres and lower tdp

(and price ofc)

So in bandwidth limited situations the 7900XT runs away a little

[odd siren]

Which goes back to this, it looks poised to get some good gains from vram OC

Yeah I'm glad this came out

HUB made this card look so scuffed

https://youtu.be/8onGBVWxg1k?si=k_GyElJBKfruj7q7

(Normalised they set frame caps to remove frametime variance to create very consistent results)

[raven wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-collapse-defeated-gif-14214156

[quasi flicker]

Anyone have experience with a Sapphire Pulse 7800 XT needing a sag bracket?

[raven wharf]

its a dual fan right

[quasi flicker]

Yeah

https://www.sapphiretech.com/en/consumer/pulse-radeon-rx-7800-xt-16g-gddr6

[raven wharf]

as long as you dont have a flimsly case and have it screwed in properly it should be fine

my dual fan 6700xt never sagged

[quasi flicker]

Meshify 2, so I hope not

[raven wharf]

dual fan cards generally seem to be fine

if after awhile you notice a sag or something, then id go ahead and do something about it

[quasi flicker]

Otherwise would be nice to get a radiator for this CPU, not sure how much better it would be though

Oh yeah, I saw something is passmark the other day

https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=RADEON+9800+XT

We've almost come full circle

[odd siren]

What you got was decent

Stop getting fomo lmao

[lilac coyote]

is the 4060 ti worth it? I read some reviews and it looks like ti doesn't?

[livid idol]

The 4060 ti is basically a 3060 ti that uses a little less power

[odd siren]

And generally asking for more money at that

[livid idol]

And the 16GB version is just a 3060 ti with more memory but $100 extra, even less worth it

[random walrus]

4060/ti are very disappointing :(

[random walrus]

I wonder if it would be possible to pull data from techpowerups gpu relative performance data to make a more updated gpu comparison chart

[livid idol]

TPU isn't a great resource for that tbh

At least it's not obviously biased like ubm but they do include workstation tasks in their overall performance chart, which will cause it to lean towards Intel and Nvidia.

[random walrus]

Oh gotcha

[heady turtle]

Most accurate way would be probs be 3dmark timespy avg score (current method)

[odd siren]

Tom's Hardware I think of late has been fairly accurate

[heady turtle]

Problem with those reviews is lack of cards

Like they've a good amount

But considering how big the pinned list is

[odd siren]

That's fair

I do think that as far as like a, well rounded source, there aren't a huge number of them

Like Time Spy is great but there's definitely AMD Bias so it's not entirely true

Since it's pure raster

Time spy is definitely good for a snapshot though, very good. Time spy extreme nowadays is still not really cpu bound

[heady turtle]

Yeah true but isn't extreme behind pay wall?

[odd siren]

Yes

But it's only like, $7 on a sale period

And if you're just after geomean then it doesn't have to be you using it, you can just use google to see what the snapshot is

Google is free lol

[heady turtle]

Oh ik i just mean less sample size and can be disproportionate for lower end cards without enormous vram

[odd siren]

Mmmm not particularly

There's still a lot of raw stock data

Time spy will very soon (and has already) run into an issue where it's becoming too lightweight for a benchmark

[heady turtle]

Oh really

[odd siren]

A lot of the high end cards this gen are cpu bound in time spy depending on the configuration

Yeah this is why I put huge emphasis on good cpu with a high end gpu

Cpus like the 5800X3D are terrible with the super high end at 1440p

As far as IPC performance they cap out around the 4070 Ti mark

This scales all the way back to like

9th gen

You go beyond something like 4070 ti and gpu usage starts to drop in time spy vanilla

Which is why extreme is a bit better

All benchmarks eventually suffer this fate though. Same thing happened to fire strike

I think the extreme version is like, still somewhat scalable but you're still running a very light 3d load comparatively

The floor imo for a pc with like, a 7900XTX, 4080/S, 4090 would be like, 7600/X or 13600K

Or 12900K

The IPC is strong enough that it's reasonable, even 12600K when I pick it is stretching it a bit

Time spy fwiw likes cpu frequency (or rather single/multicore performance in general) which tbf is only one metric, but it's still an important metric

In a bandwidth limited situation, X3D is excellent on the other hand, but I'm not sure if we have a bandwidth limited benchmark yet

For 3dmark I mean

Time spy does scale a bit but as much the same as everything else with RAM OC things for the most part get better

[craggy pier]

is it worth jumping to a 4070 super vs the 7800xt?

[keen nacelle]

If you already own it, no

If not, it's a toss up

Both are similar in terms of value, but 7800xt is better perf per $

[raven wharf]

Quite a few of the GRE models are sold out

I wonder if either a lot sold or they just had very limited stock

Probably the latter, it’d make sense to see if it’d even sell first

[dark mica]

which gpu would be best to pair with a 7 7800x 3d? preferably one that can do 4k gaming comfortably?

[livid idol]

4090

Literally any GPU pairs with that

[keen nacelle]

What's the budget for the whole build

[dark mica]

4-5k, but if can get for lower that would be good too

[keen nacelle]

oh fs, give me a few min

https://www.newegg.com/Combo-Up-Savings/EventSaleStore/ID-1740
7800x3d, b650 eagle ax, and 32gb teamgroup 6000c30 is $538 here

have to select the parts yourself

rest of the pc https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dZRjKX

can do way cheaper too

just swap gpu to xtx/4080 super

[raven wharf]

what is crossfire? amd equivalent of SLI?

[dark mica]

Thank u, forgot to mention i meant CAD, but i get the idea😅

[keen nacelle]

oh alr easy fix, few min again lol

[dark mica]

sorry for the hassle, haha trying to understand all this before i get my first rig 😄

[keen nacelle]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/GgFFyg

no youre good lol, not your fault

that mobo doesn't have wifi built in though

[dark mica]

which mobo would be the best ? in terms of having most of the specs like wifi etc

[keen nacelle]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/HBzbZJ

[dark mica]

what do you think about this? is the motherboard good?
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/f9n3MV

[keen nacelle]

this would be what id do as a "compromise" of sorts https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/g9RjKX

just as good, better monitor, better keeb

id also grab an extra case fan or a pack of them

ill link some

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/JmfnTW/thermalright-tl-c12c-x3-6617-cfm-120-mm-fans-3-pack-tl-c12c-x3-d6

[vital oriole]

ye, but it's almost entirely useless

that's why it was gone in rdna3

[raven wharf]

two reference 6900s next to each other look really cool though

[dark mica]

oh wow yeah this is great, do i not need to buy windows?

[vital oriole]

no

[keen nacelle]

nope, if you really want a key i wouldnt spend more than 50 cad

[dark mica]

Oh didn’t know that, thank you

[livid idol]

Turns out the discrepancy between GN and HUB regarding the 7900 GRE was entirely caused by the model of GPU they used. HUB had the AMD reference model on hand, while GN has the nitro. It's a bigger difference than usual.

Amazing what a higher power limit does on this GPU. Almost like that was intentional...

[keen nacelle]

That's a huge difference just for a diff aib

That's crazy

[junior locust]

So buying higher-end models is actually better?

Like measurably so

[livid idol]

Only in this specific case on this specific GPU model, normally the more expensive models are at most 2% better, within margin of error and not noticeable to humans.

[junior locust]

I mean specifically now yes

Since my next GPU is likely to be a 7900 GRE

Namely the 79GMBABFB variant (XFX built OEM card)

Unless the Sapphire Pulse is that much better

[livid idol]

AMD has claimed that the poor overclocking performance and low power budget on the reference model is a bug and they're going to fix it, so we'll see in the end

[junior locust]

It's got a Type-C output too

Which is pretty neat IMO

[livid idol]

If you want to run a monitor in DP-Alt mode or a VR headset, yeah

[junior locust]

VR is still too expensive here

But it's a nice option (even if I'm unlikely to use it)

Then again, if the Sapphire Pulse is measurably better I'll go with that
Thought that is a fair bit more pricey

Like

[livid idol]

It's just a standard type C port if you're not using it for the above purposes so it's good as that

It's only measurably better because it allows a higher power budget

[junior locust]

Like 40k HUF more
(250k vs 289k)

[livid idol]

This one? It's a reference model so it'll be affected by the "bug" AMD talked about https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/xfx-rx-7900-gre.b11745

[junior locust]

This is the XFX one (apparently it was meant for OEM use but somehow it's available for DIY)
https://www.pcx.hu//xfx-rx-7900-gre-gaming-16gb-gddr6-oem-videokartya-rx-79gmbabfb--379361?referer=arukereso

[livid idol]

Yep looks the same

[junior locust]

I think it is the same

But yeah I have no idea how it has been available before the GRE was launched globally

[livid idol]

Certain OEMs were allowed to distribute it globally even during the "china exclusive" launch

That's how HUB got their reference model, they bought a prebuilt with it in australia

Snooped the vbios on those cards, the nitro+ allows a stock PPT of 244W while that XFX model allows 212W

The XFX does allow up to +15% power limit so it should overclock easily to within the nitro+ with just a quick slider in afterburner

Sapphire Pulse has PPT set to 220W, again +15%

But the nitro+ also allows +15% so

Asrock steel legend 228W PPT +15%

Asrock challenger OC 220W +15%

Sapphire Pure 220W +15%

[junior locust]

So you can just Afterburner the power slider and get pretty much the same perf?

Assuming the cooler holds up ofc

[livid idol]

Yep

[junior locust]

(still have some reservations about the XFX cooler, at 240w I'd prefer something beefier but that's just me)

[livid idol]

It's more than 240W total, that's just the Performance Power Tracking target, which you can think of as what's being sent to the GPU core

[junior locust]

Wait a sec
So the Nitro+ has a higher default PPT but allows the same amount of extra % ???
Isn't that just meaning the Nitro+ is just outright better?

Or am I misunderstanding you

[livid idol]

That's basically it yes

[junior locust]

That's honestly kinda sad

[livid idol]

BUT keep in mind you can usually cross flash a vbios from another model of GPU and get the same performance

[junior locust]

Oh

That's neat

XFX card & Nitro+ VBIOS = 130% of 7800 XT perf for 105% price?

@livid idol

[livid idol]

Yes

[junior locust]

Based

7900 XT is how much faster than the GRE?

10% roughly?

Cuz it costs like 40% more for me

[livid idol]

15% give or take depending on the game

[junior locust]

So still not worth

[livid idol]

charts here

GRE Nitro+ is shown to beat the 4070 super

[junior locust]

And in theory I can get the Nitro+ perf for 250k with a VBIOS flash (if the XFX cooler can keep up)

[livid idol]

Yes, and it should be able to keep up unless you have poor airflow

[junior locust]

I'm gonna have three 140mm fans at the front

(I will build a whole new system for when I get the GRE with a 7700X and proper gear)

Current motherboard just makes me want to tear my hair out

[livid idol]

You'll be fine then, because they build those GPU coolers assuming you're putting it in something like a H510

[junior locust]

Ew

I'd rather kms

[livid idol]

:h510:

[junior locust]

Than do that

[livid idol]

oh what, did we lose some boosts again

[junior locust]

Probably

I'm kinda tempted to go 360 AIO for the 7700X and PBO the crap out of it

[livid idol]

Yeah we did, 2 boosts short of lvl 3... I should clean out the old emotes we don't use

[junior locust]

Slap the AIO up the top and use the front as intake

It'd be pretty damn amazing (though the reference cooler is kinda bland for my taste, the Sapphire Pure cooler is way better IMO)

In looks anyway

[livid idol]

Sounds like a good plan to me