I think it's a 450 watt
#graphics-cards
mental garnet
mental garnet
Can't find it lmfao
mental garnet
yeah i cant open my case due to its location
but its a corsair 450
ping
so i cant give yo uif its a gold/silver/bronze or whatever
however it should be able to handle a new gpu
it might be a 500-550, think its my dads old psu XD
vital oriole
welp
im guessing it's one of corsair's older low wattage series
like vs
it probably will be fine honestly, since you did run 1080 just fine on it
but i wouldn't trust on anything more hungry than that
6700xt probably is gonna max the poor thing out if it's 450w
considering you do use 5900x in your build
mental garnet
yeah ill have to begrugingly lift my case out from beside my desk
mental garnet
What's weird is that I have above min specs to run starfield
Yet the only time it runs nice is when I'm on ships with no view ports to space or buildings that require a load screen
keen nacelle
Yeah you'd want to swap psus, there's some options around $50 or so
odd siren
Yeah definitely upgrade
raven wharf
450W psu? Zamn
keen nacelle
I mean if it was a decent model it should run a 6700xt fine
Asus tuf 450 off the top of my head would be fine with a 220w gpu
But with a 5900x I'm assuming they're doing more than gaming, so if using high cpu and gpu loads at the same time it would probably be too much
soft kindle
is it normal for my screen to go black for like a couple minutes during graphics card updtar
it still isn't fixing itself
cosmic bluff
is it normal for my screen to go black for like a couple minutes during graphics...
Ctrl+shift+Win+B and that will refresh your graphics drivers but yes that can happen
soft kindle
Ctrl+shift+Win+B and that will refresh your graphics drivers but yes that can ha...
It still is black
cosmic bluff
Now idk if it's safe but I do it with no repercussion you could try to restart your pc
raven wharf
was looking at xfx stuff on amazon, theres a 6400?? what would that even realistically run lmao
livid idol
Realistically? Older games, or just to run youtube etc
mental garnet
Yeah you'd want to swap psus, there's some options around $50 or so
Cx500m corsair
raven wharf
Realistically? Older games, or just to run youtube etc
its so tiny and it has one fan its so cute
cant wait to play cyberpunk on it
mental garnet
Yeah you'd want to swap psus, there's some options around $50 or so
Should be able to run it with the 500m?
keen nacelle
Cxm is OK, I think it should be fine but I also haven't heard of a 500w cxm before so it might be a different platform than the 550 650 and 750, so I think I'd wait for a second opinion
keen nacelle
That's an overestimate
6700xt is a 220w gpu I believe, leaves 280w for cpu and rest of the system which is plenty
keen nacelle
Well model is important, as some models are lower quality and likely wouldn't actually supply the rated wattage
I'm going to check the tier list to see if there's a diff between 500w and the other wattage ones
Do you know what year it's from?
Or just if older than 2021?
mental garnet
keen nacelle
If t's not the C tier one (I don't know what the difference is) I don't think it's on the tier list, meaning it's old old and not good at all
mental garnet
Probably 4-5 years old
LMAO I'm down a monitor now
I've been running a good ol vga monitor alongside my HDMI
Do I need to uninstall Nvidia drivers
Or does it just automatically take over once I installed.the drivers
neat ventureBOT
DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU
mental garnet
@keen nacelle so i go to update teh amd driver and it keeps failign to respond
livid idol
Try version 23.7.1
mental garnet
how do i select versions
i go to their site and it just gives me the most recent one
fixed
mental garnet
HOLY HECK
I'm running solid 60 fps in starfield with all medium, 100% scale
This is glorious
mental garnet
Both
gusty cave
currently have a 5600x and a 5500xt. im upgrading to a 4080. what CPU can i get because my current one will be bottleneck. i dont wanna spend too much on my new cpu tho
spare relic
Spend 0 dollars
gusty cave
?
odd siren
currently have a 5600x and a 5500xt. im upgrading to a 4080. what CPU can i get ...
What resolution do you want to play
gusty cave
i have a 1440p monitor
odd siren
Definitely 7800x3d
7700x maybe stock, definitely tuned
13600K maybe stock, definitely tuned
Any lower is a sidegrade anyway from a 5600x tbh, but a 5600x will have a huge bottleneck with a 4080 at 1440p
I wouldn't go any lower
gusty cave
how bad would it be with a 5600x would i need to upgrade instantly
odd siren
Well, needing to upgrade isn't the right word
Idk how well I can describe this
Let's say you bought a pickup van
And you put a mustang engine in it
If that makes sense?
You can't really use it like the mustang it really wants to be
gusty cave
haha i get you
odd siren
If money is a concern btw, go 7900xtx, you'll save 200-300$
Basically the same experience
gusty cave
hmm
odd siren
It's half the price and almost as quick, drivers are not an issue
It's your choice tho, but if you're short on budget for a 4080 and good cpu, that's what I'd do
gusty cave
7900xtx is cheaper than a 4080 in eu lol
gusty cave
would a 5800x3d be okay?
odd siren
Nah, I've experimented with that combo
5800x3d and 4080
It's still a bit short
7700X would fair better
gusty cave
fairs once i get my 4080 which should be this week, then later in a month gonna get a cpu
are these diff types of 4080 just prefrence? like the looks and cooling etc
odd siren
4080's have variation but most of them are overkill
Even the cheap ventus stuff
Only model I'd avoid is palit gamerock
odd siren
XTX/4080 definitely as high as I'd go generally speaking for 1440p tho
And that's like, 1440p 240fps
gusty cave
yeah when i had my 6900xt i would get 240 on apex 1440p
but wz i would see some bottleneck
gusty cave
i wont need a new cpu cooler or mobo when i upgarde cpu right?
odd siren
If you go AM5 nah @gusty cave
But that's for 7800x3d
7700x may need something a little better than a single tower
Like a pa120se
gusty cave
But that's for 7800x3d
would a msi b550 toma max be compatible with this
oak rivet
thats am4
keen nacelle
would a msi b550 toma max be compatible with this
no
b550 is am4, 7800x3d is am5
diff sockets
gusty cave
oh great
starting to think maybe the 4080 aint worth if im gonna need to upgarde mobo too lol
gusty cave
thats the best cpu for a am4 mobo?
keen nacelle
yes, it's fine with a 4080/xtx for gaming at 1440p or 4k
gusty cave
pc upgrading can be exciting but also work which i dont wanna do lol
oh and expensive
gpu markets gonna change anytime soon?
oak rivet
tested a r5 7600 and 4060ti 16gb at jedi survivor today
midrange hardware at 1080p epic
see how well it runs @solemn panther
oak rivet
Then you remember it's 1080p
3080ti will do 1440p just fine get the game
solemn panther
3080ti will do 1440p just fine get the game
I have no doubt. Just waiting for a price drop 
mellow agate
gusty cave
Can you use strimmers on a 4080?
odd siren
yes, it's fine with a 4080/xtx for gaming at 1440p or 4k
still bottleneck, I've tested this config it's worse with the 4080 than the xtx
odd siren
Can you use strimmers on a 4080?
yes they have 12vhpwr versions
gusty cave
still bottleneck, I've tested this config it's worse with the 4080 than the xtx
How much of a bottleneck tho? Like is it worth upgrading my CPU and MOBO
gusty cave
yes they have 12vhpwr versions
ffs just got the new strimmers for my 6900xt gonna need to get new ones again
odd siren
How much of a bottleneck tho? Like is it worth upgrading my CPU and MOBO
yes it is, a good chunk you'll be short
like 10-15% in warzone specifically
odd siren
ffs just got the new strimmers for my 6900xt gonna need to get new ones again
go xtx, they use the same strimmers as 6900xt
gusty cave
I wanna go nvidia
gusty cave
Even tho the xtx is prob better than the 4080 and it’s cheaper
odd siren
if you factor in the strimmer cost it's significantly cheaper now 
gusty cave
Dilemma
odd siren
yeah think of it this way, new cpu, ram, board and gpu for what is going to be near the price of new strimmers and new gpu
gusty cave
Nah the difference between a XTX and 4080 is around £200
So like a new cpu
Strimmers are only 40
odd siren
is it only 200? not 350?
gusty cave
Upgrading mobo seems like such effort 😭
odd siren
I haven't checked eu prices
gusty cave
Gotta basc build the whole PC again
gusty cave
What I’m gonna most likely do is
For now I’ll get a 4080 or XTX
Then later down the line get a cpu and mobo
I could get the 5800x3d now but idk
odd siren
you could do that yeah
I would go new cpu and mobo
5800x3d is really hard to justify nowadays
odd siren
it's like a ryzen 7600 in games
odd siren
Yeah I’ll prob do that like Black Friday
you could yeah
gusty cave
Gonna be an expensive couple months 😭
odd siren
what games are you playing mainly my guy?
if you say warzone then radeon is a good like, 30% better lol
gusty cave
You’re gonna laugh lol
Valorant and apex, my current build maxes out val even at 1440p lol
Warzone like now and then
odd siren
lol
gusty cave
I really don’t need a 4080 but
odd siren
what monitor have you got
gusty cave
1440 240hz Acer
odd siren
ah ok
so at least for most of anything else a 4080 or xtx is fairly matched with a good monitor then
gusty cave
Yeah like I said I did have a 6900xt for a month
Got 240 on apex 1440p
Wz was like 150
But I got a used one and it was overheating like crazy so returned it
odd siren
hmm
gusty cave
Got it for like £400
odd siren
does sound quite hot ye
I've worked with a few 6900xt's, normally as long as the hotspot temperature is under 110C at all times, nothing is wrong
the one I have rn has hotspot happily between 95 and 100
gusty cave
I’m gonna spend a month deciding what to buy lol
odd siren
4070ti would be a bit better of a purchase over 4080 tho
it's slightly better $/fps
and with the 5800x3d it would be a bit of a decent boost
tho warzone it'll be slower than the 6900xt was
gusty cave
I feel like WZ is just poorly optimised
What does someone need to run 240 fps on that game lol
odd siren
call of duty is just hilariously amd favoured
it's a bit of an outlier but it's especially so in the newer titles
gusty cave
Decisions decisions
hot bough
What does someone need to run 240 fps on that game lol
With DLSS on and very high settings I get about 100-120fps on warzone using a 5700g and 3070 to give an idea.
heady turtle
What does someone need to run 240 fps on that game lol
It's hugely cpu bound so like a 7800x3d
And probably a 7900xtx
hot bough
I agree with Pato.
odd siren
xtx definitely is the best in slot choice here
or 7900xt if that's slightly better $/fps value
usually not but too tired to look up eu prices rn
💀
oak rivet
cod over 400fps
oak rivet
its to be not be gpu bound as little as possible
odd siren
ye but why tho
odd siren
alr
oak rivet
amd needs to step up their game to keep that thing contained cpu wise
livid idol
Only increasing memory bandwidth by 52%? If they're using GDDR7 then that probably means the bus size is actually smaller
odd siren
that would be really sad
cos the major point of a 90 card is it's a budget titan
decreasing the bit bus would mean the end of that escapade
meanwhile amd is expanding their bit busses and getting to be objectively better in workstation
raven wharf
amd needs to step up their game to keep that thing contained cpu wise
Can’t wait for it to cost x2 more
keen nacelle
It would be hilarious if they make the 5080 $1600 and have it take the 3090s place, and 5070 take the 3080s place
fading glacier
Bold of you to assume that a 5090 will exist in the first place
im pretty sure the 90 class died this gen, next gen will be like bacca said... 5080 and 5070s
heady turtle
cod over 400fps
Much easier to get fps in multiplayer than warzone
fading glacier
3090 bloomed in the mining age and 4090 failed terribly against the xtx
to me nvidia will invest the least possible on the gaming market next gen, ai is so much better for them
wicked hound
Well Nvidia hasnt change the position of the XX90 tier yet. It's still the "low tier"/"first gen" Titan of the arch (Titan vs TitanB, TitanXp vs TitanXP, 3090 vs 3090Ti, 4090 vs full die Ada "imaginary 4090Ti").
Low tier Titan is basically just historical XX80Ti tier but with some sort of dev improvement (drivers and/or VRAM)
raven wharf
imagine 8950 XTX
fading glacier
Yeah not official confirmation about any changes, its just my two cents on the matter and what you said about the entry titans is true to some extent, because we all know that the 3090 came to life thanks to the gpu mining boom and the 3090ti tried to cash on that as well and failed terribly, thats why a 4090ti will probably not make it, and given the no man land where the 4080 is right now could seal the fate of a 5090. Consumer market isnt profitable anymore for nvidia, so no need for a 5090 and a 5080 and then a 5070...
remember that nvidia isnt here to satisfy gamers, is here to make money, and the consumer market isnt making the amount of money they want anymore.
spare relic
they have a free hamburger coupon hidden inside
wicked hound
can someone explain the titan gpus to me
#graphics-cards message, helps professional usecases. Basically like a budget Quadro card. The Titan SKU has been removed tho, and is now replaced with XX90 and XX90Ti. The main difference is lack of professional driver support which would help certain non-gaming applications run faster.
... wat? y tf did that embed?
spare relic
#graphics-cards message blah blah blah
hmm
strange
#graphics-cards message, blah blah blah
comma
that's why
wicked hound
commas, the all powerful being that breaks everything
frank dagger
so... i seem to have a unique problem...upon using any GPU intensive task or acceleration program... my screen would black out, program sound would continue for a second extra before cutting, and then i hear the windows disconnect sound as my fans still run but no response from peripherals....
what is the root of this problem???
i had reinstalled windows and clean install the gpu driver too
livid idol
commas, the all powerful being that breaks everything
I love cooking my friends and family. And not using commas.
frank dagger
any ideas?
livid idol
Could be memory or a bad overclock
cerulean rover
What does event viewer say? Could be a single program just dying for whatever reason
frank dagger
any ideas?
seems like i wasn't alone, did a bit more diggin, supposedly it's a NVIDIA issues, ppl have been having instant crashes in Starfield too with it
livid idol
Some games will be harder on hardware than others, and expose what you though was stable as unstable
I had a totally stable memory overclock, until I tried hogwarts legacy. That was the only thing that got it to crash. Not even the 72 hours of stress tests did that.
frank dagger
nothing is overclocked and the ram is just 1 year old atm. could do another windows memory check, though it maybe unlikely that the corsair dominator @ 3600mhz is the problem
dunno about checkin cpu stability, besides havin ryzen master reset things to default?
cerulean rover
corsair might be a problem, could run testmem5
frank dagger
no idea where i can find that, alot of mixed results
cerulean rover
frank dagger
have the program runnin, doesn't seem to be showin anything of errors so far???
it's a memory stress test?
livid idol
have the program runnin, doesn't seem to be showin anything of errors so far???
Yes it's a stress test, you'll want to tell it to load config and select the anta777extreme profile. It'll exit the program, and when you open it again it'll automatically start and take a few hours to complete. A single error means it fails.
Corsair DDR4 is known to be really bad, it often has trouble running the rated speeds.
frank dagger
guess I'll see tonight then
still never over clocked ram, thought i have a decent system with my 3900x n stuff
livid idol
XMP counts as an overclock
mellow agate
Random Question for my GPU enthusiasts in the server but what’re y’alls opinions on the Intel Arc GPUs?
like price range and performance wise.
livid idol
Arc is fine in general, there's a few games and engines it still has trouble with but it's vastly improved. I'd say the price is fair on them.
A750 is roughly equal to the 3060 in many games
frank dagger
ah...welp, guess I'll see. got this b550 cause Gamers Nexus recommended it too for decent overall even OC headroom.
ye, intel is cool for modest gaming to 1440p on SOME things
mellow agate
A750 is roughly equal to the 3060 in many games
ive seen the majority of people say that.
frank dagger
well it is the truth, based on preformance at the time
mellow agate
alright, so what you’re saying is its a good option for budget to moderately expensive pc builds?
livid idol
Yeah it's pretty decent even compared to modern stuff. This is from testing 3 weeks ago, so recent drivers.
mellow agate
alright, ill check out the vid u linked, tysm everyone.
frank dagger
guess I'll see tonight then
no memory issue, passed the check, no issues at all. its a gpu driver issue, ima clean install the driver and look for a older driver
oak rivet
Yeah it's pretty decent even compared to modern stuff. This is from testing 3 we...
unless you like playing games day one
odd siren
Pfffft
$4K USD for a matrix
2% better than a 2K one
They don't have better bins at all wtf is this
Plenty of already existing 4090's do 3090, it has to be binned under cold not ambient
Maybe it's just really quick at those clocks and not stretching? Not sure
It has to be sub ambient binning or something
Ain't no way
heady turtle
$4K USD for a matrix
HAHAHAHA
livid idol
HUB got one of those too, the overclock was even less spectacular.
dreamy laurel
Random Question for my GPU enthusiasts in the server but what’re y’alls opinions...
Good value but its a work in progress
dreamy laurel
unless you like playing games day one <:kekw:741678350791081994>
Buying games day 1, in this economy?
livid idol
Especially bethesda games, has no one learned from past trauma?
"Oh no my saves got wiped!"
Well duh it's a bethesda game and they all have the same bugs at launch
raven wharf
xfx card, whats the difference, they are same price
frank dagger
ye, pc seems to be fine now. had to roll back driver. guess NVIDIA is still off. learned my lesson again, guess i'll wait a bit longer to try ray reconstruction
nevermind it happened again after 1 hr
also had temps read an it was within safe conditions, its still very mind boggling as to why the GPU crashes the whole system down
frank dagger
or any power mangement options i can do? that could be another reason why it crashes?
usually run games @ 4k high always
frank dagger
limiting cpu via windows doesn't seem to work
frank dagger
my system heated up and crashed via m.2 before the gpu crashed, guess it's over???
nope, it just crashing over and over.
maybe my 3080ti is dying...
keen nacelle
What psu do you have?
frank dagger
corsair RM850X, over 100 watts of the recommended/necessary system power
tried the 528.49 driver for nvidia and still having crashes, either have to go lower or see where else the problem may lie
going for bios update too as well
cerulean rover
Have you used DDU?
frank dagger
yes, multiple times
i had asked here before about that. i had used DDU everytime i had to reinstall drivers, goin to safe mode, clean wipe, then reinstalling driver, still black screen and crashes seconds later
i had updated my MB bio's to full, latest ones were about cpu stability, even though i know it's GPU related, but that's all i could do in updates at the time now
anything else GPU related i maybe missing?
hasty sphinx
anything else GPU related i maybe missing?
Wonder if your PSU is dying.
Have you checked windows event viewer for logs around the times of the crashes?
hasty sphinx
That could offer some insight into what could be the issue.
You could also download WhoCrashed and analyze your crash dumps and see if there is something there that can allude to the cause.
frank dagger
not able to read it well, but one thing i notice is "TPM" ecounctered an error based on hardware, so i assume it is the GPU dyin?
random walrus
not able to read it well, but one thing i notice is "TPM" ecounctered an error b...
TPM is Trusted Platform Module
Which is cpu related I think
frank dagger
and i just crashed again
random walrus
Is it just the whole PC shuts off immediately, or does it freeze/ blue screen first?
frank dagger
so... i seem to have a unique problem...upon using any GPU intensive task or acc...
ima link again here
random walrus
Gotcha
frank dagger
now im not sure if its under GPU load cause i was doing nothing but idle
random walrus
Good to know
From what I see here it doesn't sound like a psu issue. Not to rule that out completely but it might be worth looking elsewhere first
frank dagger
RAM isn't an issue, motherboard doesn't seem to be an issue, dunno about CPU bein an issue, only Driver, GPU, or PSU maybe.
this crash didn't say TPM, instead driver crashed and "recovered" which could be right after i pressed the reboot button
unless if reseating the Gpu may do something?
who crashed says it's driver related
livid idol
I have absolutely tripped protections on my RM850X using a 3080 ti, but the symptoms of that are different. Once that happens you need to flip the power switch on the PSU off for a few minutes and turn it on again to use it.
frank dagger
huh??? so i just need to "flush" the power out?
livid idol
If it's the case I mentioned above where it shuts down completely and suddenly and doesn't turn back on, yes
And then you power limit your GPU in afterburner
livid idol
Yeah 90 should be good, I doubt you'll lose more than a couple fps too
odd siren
HUB got one of those too, the overclock was even less spectacular.
Yeah it was, very pretty card tho tbf. Not worth the price nor the liquid metal risk imo
livid idol
They did a good job of mitigating that liquid metal leak risk, but the real issue is gallium on bare copper
No nickel plating
livid idol
Yeah it's a really tall PCB
odd siren
And liquid metal likes flat daily
I would maybe consider ptm7950
Same stuff as that cryosheet stuff
But MX-6 is fine
It's gonna be an LN2 card but it's sad that at least, on the onset it looks arguably worse than a HoF lmao
livid idol
HUB actually tested it with a cryosheet and it did really well, better than premium paste
odd siren
Yes, but cryosheet is literally ptm7950
I like derbauer things but I don't like derbauer prices lol
spare relic
I want to put thermal pads on all my cpus 
livid idol
Gotta pay a premium for that german engineering
They actually pay their employees there so things cost more to export
frank dagger
Yeah 90 should be good, I doubt you'll lose more than a couple fps too
okay, 90% power limit is on the "fan" tag?
frank dagger
okay, that's been done, lets see how it'll go now
frank dagger
"so far so good" inb4 another crash after i finish typing this out like last time
frank dagger
crashed again
frank dagger
ima go and see if i can find a driver from 2+ years ago that was stable when i had my 3080ti running
livid idol
I'd try reinstalling windows tbh
livid idol
Next thing would be to try it in another computer then
frank dagger
old 650W on it's last legs can't do much for me with a 3080ti and old 2015 parts
livid idol
Try it anyway, you can power limit the gpu again if it overloads
frank dagger
ima build that pc tomorrow then and see from there later. it'll take hours regardless on this problem that i've been spending a week on already
frank dagger
anyway to find the list of nvidia driver 3+ months older or more? perferably like 2 years +?
livid idol
Here's one from September 2021 https://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/180555/en-us/
frank dagger
omg, i think that was the actual driver i was last on before i stopped way back, cause hot wheels unleashed. this might work after DDU'in n stuff
livid idol
Here's the search tool also, you can just tweak the filters until you find one you want. "Standard" are older ones currently, DCH are the current. https://www.nvidia.com/download/find.aspx
frank dagger
wai, isn't standard and dch different things?
livid idol
Yes but no
frank dagger
so dch and standard could work on a win 10 system? maybe i just needed to get the dch version then? geforce downloads the standard version right?
livid idol
Both would work. All the current releases fall under DCH unless you get the studio driver.
frank dagger
i has played intensive game for 1 hr, seems to be promising now
frank dagger
2 hours, i'd say it's "band-aid" fixed now, woo. ty for find that old driver btw.
now to wait till the next driver is stable for my build. savin it as a "fail safe" driver just in case it hits the fan again.
thanks again
hasty sphinx
that was the first thing i did
Did you ever install your chipset drivers after reinstalling windows?
raven wharf
I love drivers
frank dagger
Did you ever install your chipset drivers after reinstalling windows?
SNAP, i didnt
wai, i just did win default cause i remember ppl here saying not to go for that last time.
frank dagger
just did it, but i still won't update to the latest nvidia driver. still a few problems even without the crashing
hasty sphinx
wai, i just did win default cause i remember ppl here saying not to go for that ...
That's weird that people advised not to. Chipset drivers are important for the system to run properly.
zealous lion
That's weird that people advised not to. Chipset drivers are important for the s...
The biggest mistake is installing chipset drivers from Motherboard manufacturer websites instead of directly from Intel/AMD. Some companies like Asus, Gigabyte, and probably BioStar too for all I know, like to 'tune' the chipset drivers they release. Asus has even launched chipset drivers with code that was still in testing/development.
It is also important to note that without the chipset drivers some pcie addin cards that are running off the chipset could have trouble running properly on boot too.
odd siren
fading glacier
keen nacelle
@stiff zodiac
upbeat sable
Hey what would be the best CPU for an AMD rx 6800 xt?
I'm gonna try for the AMD 7 7800x3d
But I was wondering if there's a cpu of equal or similar power that is a bit cheaper that I could use
I'm aiming for a 1440p Gaming experience if that helps
raven wharf
Hey what would be the best CPU for an AMD rx 6800 xt?
Prob a 7600
Aka the one I have
It chews threw everything I do
I’d ask someone else who’s smarter then me though
keen nacelle
Hey what would be the best CPU for an AMD rx 6800 xt?
Well, 7800x3d is the best cpu
But there's a lot of other options
5600/12400f would be fine, 7600 would be a great pairing too
junior locust
I can vouch for a 7600X
It absolutely slays
But of you can find a 7600 that's even better because it gives 95% of the performance you get with a 7600X while using less power and having a stock cooler so it comes out cheaper overall
7600 kinda obvious choice
junior locust
I'm gonna try for the AMD 7 7800x3d
Honestly you don't really need a 7800X3D for a 6700XT
7600 will easily get full performance from that GPU for way less money
Like don't get me wrong it is THE best gaming CPU currently in existence
But a 6700XT would never give you the full benefit as you'd inevitably get limited by GPU performance
7600 will be plenty for anything a 6700XT can be used for IMO
upbeat sable
Honestly you don't really need a 7800X3D for a 6700XT
7600 will easily get full ...
I'm gonna get the 6800 xt tho. Does this still apply tho?
livid idol
Yes
The 7600 is roughly equal to the 5800X3D which was the best last gen gaming CPU, and one of the best options for the 6800 XT. So the cheaper new gen model with the same performance and less power draw is just a no-brainer.
upbeat sable
The 7600 is roughly equal to the 5800X3D which was the best last gen gaming CPU,...
Is it the Ryzen 5 7600?
livid idol
Yes
upbeat sable
With or without the X?
livid idol
Either/or. The only major difference is one comes with a cooler and the other doesn't.
upbeat sable
Well thanks for the recommendation, it knocked ~$150 off the total PC cost
keen nacelle
are you open to some changes?
keen nacelle
kk few min
upbeat sable
I'm wanting this to be a 1440p Gaming PC
A good way I can put it is that if I were to run Cyberpunk 2077 on this, I would want it to run at 1440p, ultra settings, with at least a constant 60 fps
And maybe Raytracing
keen nacelle
rtx I would not bother with
esp on amd
aside from 7000 series, 7000 series rtx isn't completely ass but still not good
upbeat sable
Should I upgrade the cpu to the 7600X?
keen nacelle
nah, its a very small difference
livid idol
2% or so
keen nacelle
^
compared side by side it's unnoticeable
also if you want rgb ram it's i think $95 for a slightly worse white rgb kit
5600c32 vs 5600c28
wicked hound
Personally I wouldn't go for RGB devices that can only work through the SMBUS, such as RGB RAM. There isn't any hardware profiles usually. So sleep states or default lighting can't be controlled well. Usually need software running 24/7 to keep color/animation to what you want it to be. If not it'll default to rainbow puke.
Simple RGB strip usually works better as that can be controlled with whatever controller you want to use.
Which also reduces compatibility issues for software trying to work with different controllers through different protocols.
livid idol
At least openrgb can be configured to start when windows starts and it's pretty lightweight
Only using 38MB and 0.2% of one core on my system with a few custom effects and temp monitors
raven wharf
I can vouch for a 7600X
7600/6700 gang
upbeat sable
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bjhF89
One more thing, is everything guaranteed to fit in the case?
keen nacelle
Yes
neon lava
I’m trying to upgrade my cpu but I don’t want to break the bank any suggestions? I play games like Sons of The Forest, LOL, Slime Rancher, Sekiro. My pc is starting to run slow and lag so I need to upgrade
raven wharf
I’m trying to upgrade my cpu but I don’t want to break the bank any suggestions?...
What are your current specs
raven wharf
daily drove a 7600 non x for a while
I’ve had it for almost 2 months, no complaints
random walrus
I’m trying to upgrade my cpu but I don’t want to break the bank any suggestions?...
You're more likely than not gpu limited, not cpu
keen nacelle
I’m trying to upgrade my cpu but I don’t want to break the bank any suggestions?...
What cpu, gpu, psu, and ram do you have?
neon lava
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600 6-core processor
Memory is 16g I know small I’m just not good on cash so I’ll slowly upgrade
Gpu: NVIDIA GTX 1650
SSD: INLAND 2TB platinum
Ram: Triforce 16gb Vulcan
Not great I know but it was my gift for Christmas to build this pc so I didn’t want to ask for super expensive parts
random walrus
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600 6-core processor
Memory is 16g I know small I’m just not ...
You wanna upgrade the gpu not cpu.
5600 and 16gb ram is plenty
raven wharf
16gb is fine for gaming
neon lava
Alright, any suggestions?
raven wharf
I imagine an AMD card right
random walrus
Rx 6600/6600xt/6700xt probably
raven wharf
^
neon lava
Much appreciated!
raven wharf
Best bang for buck rn
neon lava
Thank you!
vital oriole
i'd grab 6650xt imo
since 6600 is like only 30-40 apart
and it's quite a bit slower compared to 6650xt anyway
random walrus
Yeah the 6600 pricing isn't great rn
keen nacelle
Alright, any suggestions?
What psu do you have
neon lava
EVGA 700 br
neon lava
It’s the second thing I’ll upgrade. I very much appreciate getting some feedback on my parts.
random walrus
700w should handle a 6700xt fine too
No need to upgrade PSU unless in the future you're gonna upgrade other parts or do OCing
junior locust
br is like c tier i think
What tier is the 650 GQ?
random walrus
Good enough for a 6650xt
raven wharf
why is this the way it is
livid idol
Third party seller trying to scalp
odd siren
<$800 is a good price for those right? 😬
yes, 750 or less is ideal in the current market
but 800 or less is good
junior locust
God why can't AsRock also build Nvidia video cards?...
vital oriole
same question can be asked about xfx
they left nvidia cause well, nvidia always gives aibs trouble to cope with
heady turtle
Nvidia also doesn't like sharing aibs
raven wharf
same question can be asked about xfx
xfx cards look so nice
best looking radeon aib cards imo
raven wharf
Nvidia also doesn't like sharing aibs
gigabyte makes both nivida and radeon cards right
vital oriole
yes
odd siren
Msi too
odd siren
Mhm
Related point
Known fact nvidia was being threatening for anyone wanting to do intel arc
vital oriole
sharing aibs doesn't make nvidia happy
colorful used to make radeon huh
in r9 and vega age
but under different name, colorfire
raven wharf
is there a "best aib" for either nvidia or amd
vital oriole
^
raven wharf
for amd what'd be your top like two-three
vital oriole
my top 3 for amd would be
vital oriole
asrock aqua
sapphire toxic
asrock oc formula
but i wouldn't buy if they're over msrp or average market price
not worth the penny
or dollars rather
raven wharf
it has an aio attached? thats sick
odd siren
For nvidia I would say usually strix, kingpin, HoF
But kingpin doesn't exist anymore
Not sure what I'd put in third
Again a case of "would I buy it? No"
raven wharf
is sapphire toxic only for the 6900 series
raven wharf
an xtx toxic is something i'd buy if i had the money ngl
odd siren
Yeah I can't say what would be third on my list for nvidia now that kingpin is gone
vital oriole
toxic is top of sapphire
odd siren
Nothing's coming to mind
vital oriole
nitro is just below nitro+
odd siren
whats the main difference
Just market segmenting
vital oriole
but tbf ^
odd siren
Toxic has the extreme profiles aimed at overclocking
vital oriole
sapphire pulse is already great as is
odd siren
Pulse is fine yeah
Would argue pulse has been the most consistent entry range in radeon of recent
I never hear about them
Like ever lol
Only people upset their high end pulses don't have higher power limits
heady turtle
gigabyte makes both nivida and radeon cards right
Nvidia doesn't like that but gigabyte, msi and Asus are big/old enough that they can get away with it can't remember the exact details
heady turtle
Toxic has existed prior and after
Toxic pricing kinda sucks horribly tho usually lol
heady turtle
Ah yeah
odd siren
But objective best is in their right
vital oriole
cheapest non trash
odd siren
Miss me with those palit gamerocks
heady turtle
Well, cheapest bar the trash
Only bad option recently are msi 2x
raven wharf
Actual best is just the cheapest these days tbh
depressing reality
heady turtle
<:damn:741329230851473458> depressing reality
Wdym that's great, it means you're gonna get the same perf on an msrp and over msrp card
vital oriole
^
odd siren
Value it often does
vital oriole
^
odd siren
It's the core of what a lot of us do to help here
odd siren
Yup
And oc formula is objectively the best 6000 card
Period
There is nothing better
heady turtle
6950xt oc formula is the cheapest regularly
Not anymore but it was for ages te
odd siren
Not anymore but it was for ages te
Te
odd siren
Mercs are good just a bit louder
vital oriole
xfx thicc series was thick but trash
odd siren
They always look good in blackout builds
vital oriole
ye
odd siren
You guys are on fir today
junior locust
What's the 4090 model that's actually worth buying (in terms of price to perf anyway)
Yes I know they're all expensive
But whivh of them is worth spending the money on?
odd siren
The cheapest and not gamerock
The answer really is that simple
You could maybe spend a little more on suprim for binning and near best vrm
So 1750?
But realistically you'd be looking at a couple % improvement at most for 10% more cash
Same issue with the 4090 matrix or HoF
Both 3K+
Both totally useless to buy into if you don't do any sub ambient overclocking
Strix is another one people buy into thinking they get better
But Asus doesn't bin strix
Or rather to my recent knowledge they haven't
By paper it's better like a suprim, but just costs more
And not definite on a good chip
junior locust
So an Inno3D 4090 will be almost as fast as something like a Strix?
odd siren
Mhm
junior locust
Cuz I saw a video saying that the Inno3D ones all have weak VRM
odd siren
The main issue with this is for 4090's they're all voltage locked
And pretty much on the limit for regular ambient use
junior locust
Cuz there's like a
200k HUF difference between an Inno3D and a Strix
Inno3D about 755k
Strix about 960-970k
odd siren
Cuz I saw a video saying that the Inno3D ones all have weak VRM
Send link I don't think that's true for all, the wb one I'm pretty sure is quite good
junior locust
Lemme find it one sec
odd siren
Hm
odd siren
<@101107951401455616> well if you open the link it should get you to the video
Yeah if you go to 3:00
10 seconds is all you need
I've worked with a 4090 ventus, it's fine
Just for context
junior locust
Inno3D about 755k
Strix about 960-970k
@heady turtle why you shouldn't live in Hungary
heady turtle
Strix is always stupidly priced
junior locust
No I mean getting a 4090 for like
odd siren
Personally anything 50$ over msrp is not worth
Objectively it's like 3rd best pcb tho, behind HoF and Matrix
For XOC it's not dumb
heady turtle
Strix is always stupidly priced
Only a good option if you love the aesthetic
junior locust
Lemme google the conversion rate
odd siren
I remember the gamerock has a pretty bare PCB though
junior locust
2065 USD for the cheapest 4090 that I can find
odd siren
Like kinda scary
odd siren
2065 USD for the ***cheapest*** 4090 that I can find
Damn that's still not as bad as Australia
Ah actually it's about the same
Not america moment
junior locust
Yeah Americans are really lucky with PC stuff
heady turtle
For XOC it's not dumb
Okay sure for xoc but honestly because of voltage lock it's not gonna be much of a diff anyway to a normal user
heady turtle
2065 USD for the ***cheapest*** 4090 that I can find
That makes sense, gotta remember usa prices don't include tax
odd siren
heady turtle
That makes sense, gotta remember usa prices don't include tax
And eastern eu has inflated tech pricing
junior locust
odd siren
Should be fine
junior locust
That's actually not awful
odd siren
If you don't mind inno3d weird aesthetics
heady turtle
Yeah Americans are really lucky with PC stuff
But an ambulance ride is also like 8k for them so
junior locust
If you don't mind inno3d weird aesthetics
They don't do RGB tho so I don't need software to sync :3
odd siren
Noice
junior locust
It do be stealth AF
junior locust
I'm gonna build standard ATX
odd siren
You're buying it aren't you
junior locust
You're buying it aren't you
Nah, I'm living paycheck to paycheck but you gotta be ready for winning the lottery kek
At least not until I actually have a job
odd siren
junior locust
On a more serious note
odd siren
Tbh a 7600x would do 4090 at 4k
junior locust
I'm not buying it now
But I'm hoping to start working in 2 or 3 months from now on
odd siren
But only get it for 4k
And a good 4k screen
Not a tiny 27"
No point in a 4090 for 1440p
junior locust
And I can earn the money for the 4k 140hz monitor, the 4090 and the 7800X3D in about 6 months
odd siren
Wouldn't need a 7800x3d for 4k
junior locust
No point in a 4090 for 1440p
That's what competitive CSGO players would do kek
odd siren
You say that like it makes reasonable sense
junior locust
Add a like
350hz VA screen
junior locust
That's how genuine CSGO pros play tho
junior locust
I'm not even joking
odd siren
Those pros that do that have more money than sense my guy
junior locust
Those pros that do that have more money than sense my guy
More like get sponsored for literally everything they use so they give no Fs
Besides winning in CS is literally the job they're paid for
odd siren
Doesn't mean it's well thought out
keen nacelle
Those pros that do that have more money than sense my guy
Tbh atp I can get getting the best of the best even if it's pointless
keen nacelle
No I definitely understand what you're saying and it's definitely a waste
But when you have more money than you know what to do with, getting the best of the best for your job even if it makes no sense I can atleast see where they're coming from
odd siren
Those sorts of builds get met with a reckoning from the pc elite community lmao
junior locust
Think like this
Racing in F1 is mind-bogglingly expensive
Cuz (normally) the margins are so tight teams need to spend a metric ton of money to get that tiny little edge to win
junior locust
It's not made to be "sensible" or "reasonable"
It's there to win
odd siren
He couldn't even build it
junior locust
Whatever the cost is
They want to win
junior locust
It's not made to be "sensible" or "reasonable"
It's there to win
@odd siren this is all I can say
It's like a competition shooter blowing 50 grand on a 9mm pistol
odd siren
<@101107951401455616> this is all I can say
It still barely improves performance as you only get a slight ipc gain
junior locust
It makes absolutely no sense
But that's how they win
junior locust
Because at the top level margins are so tight that a "slight IPC gain" could be the division between winning and losing
odd siren
Do you know what the difference is between swapping a 5600x and a 7800x3d is at 8K?
junior locust
1% maybe?
odd siren
Barely even
junior locust
Hence me saying maybe
junior locust
Oh they're rocking 13900KSs and 7950Xs
odd siren
But you're tackling a latency bottleneck with a gpu
odd siren
Oh they're rocking 13900KSs and 7950Xs
That's not much better
Csgo likes ram as much as cpu
Tuned ram is how you get the big numbers
junior locust
1080p is usually more CPU bound
And CSGO doesn't benefit from 3D V-cache
odd siren
CS 2 benchmarks I specifically remember huge 3d vcache boosts
junior locust
Back to 7800X3D video it is
odd siren
Nvm I'm wrong, not the same for csgo
But ram tuning is definitely a thing for csgo
It was a huge thing for testing back in 8th 9th 10th gen era
junior locust
But you can bet
In a tournament every pro will use a 13900KS because that's the fastest for CSGO rn
odd siren
There are cults for cs over ram tuning and the famous "mousefeel" latency addicts
junior locust
And probably also at home so they have the advantage in matches and training
Y'know
odd siren
But you can bet
In a tournament every pro will use a 13900KS because that's the ...
Tuned ram cpu >>>> any KS chip easily lol
Also 7950x
junior locust
Like top athletes blowing 25 grand on a sneaker to go to the gym in
junior locust
Tuned ram cpu >>>> any KS chip easily lol
Besides most top eSports players have a whole tem behind them
Someone's probably maintaining their PC for them
junior locust
It doesn't make much sense to us who don't get 7950Xs and 4090s just thrown at them
And I'm not saying you're not right in what you say
But it's like having a truckload of spare gearboxes for a WRC team in the late 90s
They drove hard and chewed through gears, so the teams just had like a dozen spare gearboxes and engines and if one blew up/split the casing they just yeeted it in the trash and installed a brand new one
Cuz the price of a dozen engines and gearboxes is pennies compared to the price of losing
odd siren
So here's a fun factoid for you
If you run ht off with tuned ram on an intel chip
On csgo
You can see a huuugggeeee performance increase
Far bigger than the likes of a 4090 over a 3090, for example
junior locust
Look I know pretty much nothing about the technical parts of PC tuning
So your explanation while probably technically correct is completely lost on me
Apologies for being too stupid to get it
Like I'm not even sarcastic here I have zero clue what TF you're talking about
junior locust
Oh I didn't mean that
I am literally too stupid to get to rn cuz I have no clue what you're saying
I'm sorry for not knowing anything about the topic
odd siren
Ht on and ht off is a thing from intel from a long while back
junior locust
I'm significantly more likely to be able to talk about how a dog box works in a car
odd siren
Intel scales really well with some games hyperthreading off
junior locust
OH
odd siren
It vastly helps cpu heavy situations
My point is there are much smarter ways to go about the same improvements without throwing a ton of money at the issue
I'm welcome to that opinion, no?
junior locust
And I'm sure that the guy that's being paid by the team to maintain the pro player's PC probably knows that
junior locust
I'm welcome to that opinion, no?
Yeah that's fair
junior locust
My point was more that the esports teams have people who are paid to know these tricks
junior locust
I ain't judging honestly
junior locust
Like most of them are probably clueless or uninterested
odd siren
Especially with those who do the sli crap
They literally make it worse for themselves
junior locust
75% of high-tier CSGO players are under the age of 14 after all
That's a joke, don't fact-check it
The point is that high-level esports players are often really young
odd siren
But that's the other half of the pro space anyway
junior locust
So of course they'd have no clue
odd siren
Most people who get their break are very young
Playing on consoles or dell keyboards
They play all the same as these latencucks anyway
This is where a lot of my philosophies for helping people here really come out swinging hard too
Because you get these scenarios
Especially fueled by marketing
Where people get these diamond eyed ideas like
"i need this"
And it's a gen 5 ssd
From a brand they fell in love with
And talking them out of it can be the biggest pain ever
junior locust
To be completely fair
Gen 5 SSDs are the future
The very, very, very far future
odd siren
Because you know it does factually nothing in the scheme of things
Sure
Maybe in 10 years?
junior locust
I'll give it 15 personally
odd siren
Now? No, not for almost anyone
So like, to me, seeing a 4090 pc for a game like cs go is just cringe
💀
And it's a bit petty I'm a stickler for that
But it just shows how much the end user knows about their pc
junior locust
TBF if I had a 4090
I'd play CSGO on it just for the funni FPS number
odd siren
If you want extreme low latency, get a 6600xt and an LG OLED
junior locust
For like 2 hours
Then move on to Starfield
odd siren
Yeah once the honeymoon period wears off for a 4090 you aren't looking for funny numbers anymore
Or at least, for most
junior locust
So like, to me, seeing a 4090 pc for a game like cs go is just cringe
Alright once I have my next PC I'll film myself play CSGO on it just for you :3
odd siren
Lol
junior locust
Lmao
junior locust
But yes
A 4090 is overkill sure
But they don't have to care they're making enough to buy a palletful of 4090s and not notice a dent in the bottom line
junior locust
Inb4 top-level CSGO player personally ensures that 4090s keep being manufactured by ordering them in palletfuls
odd siren
The corsair pc's I see
That have like, 800$ of kit
And a 12100f
It's like
What???
(real story btw)
junior locust
That have like, 800$ of kit
Oh you'd hate the PC I'd build if I won the lottery
junior locust
(real story btw)
Yeah okay if you build a statement PC
At least have statement-tier hardware in it lmao
odd siren
It's different if you win the lottery lol, just have a proper use for your purchase lol
junior locust
If I'd see someone blow 800 bucks on Corsair fans and lighting while having a 12100f
I'd probably commit several felonies on the owner
odd siren
Someone who buys a ferrari after winning the lottery will most likely use and enjoy said ferrari
odd siren
If I'd see someone blow 800 bucks on Corsair fans and lighting while having a 12...
I still have it saved if you want to see it
But see you're reacting how I was about the 4090 now
It's nonsense for the wrong reason, you get me? Lol
junior locust
I get it
It's more that I'm accepting of what a pro player does because they don't have to carr
Everything they use is sponsored anyway
But if someone spent their own, hard-earned money like that
I'd be mad
junior locust
I think context does matter tho
odd siren
odd siren
12100f, 3050
junior locust
Oh...
odd siren
odd siren
Lol
In one sense it's good cos the cpu is choked off by the car on top
But the cpu is so pepega it's not an issue cos it doesn't need air
junior locust
As I said
Several felonies
On the owner of that machine
odd siren
Everything they use is sponsored *anyway*
Like I get it, if it's handed to them free? Fine
odd siren
But if someone spent their own, hard-earned money like that
I'd be mad
It's when it's this, lol
And it's often this
PCMR is a real boatload of a lot of these kinds of meme tier pc rigs
Last time I went in there someone was using a 3090 with like a rm550x
junior locust
Quite frankly
That's skill
If you can somehow make a 3090 get by on a 550w PSU
You deserve recognition
odd siren
It was really dumb, like a 10700k, 3090?
For all I know he could've been trolling but frankly it's way too hard to tell in there
The moment you call out someone for lying their next post is a bunch of crushed cpu pins and regret
junior locust
Lmfao
tall lichen
So I switched to my new GPU and I'm noticing my CPU usage tends to constantly use 100% on some games. What is causing that?
odd siren
So I switched to my new GPU and I'm noticing my CPU usage tends to constantly us...
What cpu and gpu, and which games?
tall lichen
i5-9600k, RX6700xt, NFS Heat and BG3 for example
It used to not use that much but now it does
odd siren
Sounds like the cpu is being pushed reasonably lol
What gpu did you have before
1080p or 1440p?
odd siren
Is your fps much higher?
tall lichen
It's honestly hard to tell...
tall lichen
Around 65%
tall lichen
That's what I figured. RIP
odd siren
And for once in a rare situation, limited to the CPUs actual limit
junior locust
9th gen i7 does that
junior locust
They old AF
odd siren
Lol
tall lichen
Yeah they've been a thing since 2018 iirc
junior locust
They have relatively low ipc if memory serves right
odd siren
He'd probably be ok on a 9700k tbh
junior locust
Compared to something like 7000 Ryzen or 12th gen even
odd siren
So I'd say nothing is really wrong rn
But you might be a bit short on performance due to the bottleneck
Maybe watch your cpu temps to see if it's getting too hot to run at full tilt
I would argue that given the circumstances you probably would see marginal benefit changing cpu
junior locust
@tall lichen what's your GPU usage?
odd siren
Then again, you'd also see the standard benefit of a cpu upgrade too
junior locust
Is it like close to 100%?
tall lichen
I would argue that given the circumstances you probably would see marginal benef...
CPU temps are fine
junior locust
Then again, you'd also see the standard benefit of a cpu upgrade too
Methinks that 9600k is right about the pairing for resolution
Upping to 1440p would unironically make the CPU less of a limiting factor
tall lichen
Is it like close to 100%?
No
tall lichen
I don't have a 1440p monitor
junior locust
Oof
Truly sadge
odd siren
If the fps is fine you could just leave it for now until you think you need a cpu upgrade
9600k is getting on a bit
But still viable
junior locust
It's probably gonna be fine honestly
junior locust
But if you intend to get a better GPU anytime soon @tall lichen
That's gonna have to be a new platform altogether
tall lichen
But if you intend to get a better GPU anytime soon <@238302225762353153>
That's...
I just upgraded my GPU
odd siren
Yeah if you update gpu again in the future you'll want a new cpu or you'll get no benefit from the gpu change at all