graphics-cards

[sonic mural]

Buy high sell low

[hasty sphinx]

The zotac 1080 blower I got isn't to bad. It def needs a repaste though.

[oak rivet]

5700xt is nice

Goes from fighting with a 2060super to sometimes a 2080super even

[lone pond]

I fail to see how I've taken anything out of context but pop off, king

all I was asking was why some people had disliked it in your experience, mate

[odd siren]

you clearly were implying I was saying a lot more than some, mate

but keep the passive aggressive tone. No skin off my back 💀

[lone pond]

whatever you say

[lone pond]

[spare relic]

Dramatic

https://tenor.com/view/levitating-floating-personabeys-personabey-gif-25787515

[lean oyster]

Rtx 3090 super ti suprim ftw3u ventus strix is for sale at the very cheap price of $……….. 3,090.23 total

[oak rivet]

🤷‍♂️

[river sedge]

Any way I can just install amd drivers without adrenaline? I'm having this weird thing where both of my monitors are being counted as one monitor

[livid idol]

You can. But try running DDU first and see if that solves it, since you'll need to anyway to remove adrenalin.

?ddu

[neat venture]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[soft flume]

Newegg when r u gon get me 100$ steam gift card for 40 series gpu

[livid idol]

If you were promised that you can DM @cursive urchin and they'll get back to you when they can

[oak rivet]

https://youtu.be/alguJBl-R3I

[heady turtle]

Well 3070 could have been 16gb if they just used 2gb chips like on the 3060

Not that unrealistic

[oak rivet]

Wonder how many gamers said forspoken looks bad because they ran the game on a 8gb card

[livid idol]

I'm wondering how many people thought Hogwarts was buggy because of all the texture pop in/out

[fallen vault]

Should I wait for the amd 7000 series gpus or buy a $500 gpu now?

[odd siren]

The sales are pretty good right now

You can get a 6800/XT for ~500

You may need a new psu though

[river grail]

hey guys, what is the best 4070 out there rn

[keen nacelle]

A used 3080

Or a new 6950xt

[river grail]

haha very funny

im going to microcenter tmr to get one cuz they have a deal that you can get a $100 steam card if you get a 40 series card

so im tryna see what the best model is

[odd siren]

The cheapest

And that's not sarcasm

Whatever costs 599.99 or less

[river grail]

why cheapest

[odd siren]

Cos it's a 190W card and based on pcb design all cards should be fine

In layman terms: all 4070 good

No bad 4070 yet

So not worth spending a cent over the lowest price if they're all ok

[river grail]

tru

isnt zotac known to break or die earlier than other companies tho cuz of garbo build

[odd siren]

We don't know yet because the 4070 has been out for like a week

[odd siren]

^

In any case you'll have a warranty

[river grail]

ye you right

thanks

[odd siren]

[oak rivet]

Me using zotac fine 🙂

[green harness]

Most likely this. Depends on the price and how much you value raytracing

[oak rivet]

https://youtu.be/v19x1N1f8EI

[odd siren]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/rx-7900-xt-2nd-best-seller-on-amazon

[fringe scroll]

To bad I can't afford one

[oak rivet]

https://twitter.com/TechEpiphany/status/1651326095575195650?t=GuWcMM8ulDRDUlVFTVFYLg&s=19

TechEpiphany 🇭🇺🇷🇺🇧🇾🇷🇸🇧🇷🇿🇦🇰🇪🇱🇮 (@TechEpiphany)

Wrong title again...

1 single graphics card featuring a 7900 XT was.

Twitter · Apr 26, 2023, 8:43 PM

[odd siren]

Yep, and you can't have all 4070's in first place either

It was still surprising to see that card rank so high

[oak rivet]

it changed or is it different for everyone

3060 is at the top now

[heady turtle]

Who in their right mind is paying 360$ for a 3060

[random walrus]

New PC builders who haven't done much research

It's like the default choice

Also the "computer graphics cards" may be skewing those results. Amazon has a ton of different categories for the same thing

[heady turtle]

True

[snow sparrow]

hey guys 😉

I want to use MyUS Shipping Hub in the united states to shop on NewEgg.

from MyUS i want to ship it to south africa

i want to buy a NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Titan Graphics Card from NewEgg. 😉

[spare relic]

A what?

[snow sparrow]

https://www.myus.com

[hasty sphinx]

mysus.com

[keen nacelle]

I wouldnt

You can almost for sure get a better gpu for less

[snow sparrow]

From Where!?

[keen nacelle]

How much does the 1050 cost on newegg

@snow sparrow

[heady turtle]

1050 ti's also haven't been manufactured in over 5 years so you'd probably be better off with a newer or at least used cars

[spare relic]

don't buy cars looking for a good gaming experience worst mistake of my life

[snow sparrow]

$145.00

for the 1050 Titan

[odd siren]

Ewww

Not worth it at all

1050 Ti is worth like, $50 lmao

[snow sparrow]

yeah but i want to get the double fan

and 4GB DDR5 PCI-E 3.0

[odd siren]

In no country is a 1050Ti worth 145

[snow sparrow]

where in the usa can i buy a GTX 1050 Ti 4GB DDR5 PCI express 3.0 Double Fan.

and have it shipped to a forwarding company

[spare relic]

ebay?

idk

I'

not sure why you insist on having a 1050

for a not good price :(

[snow sparrow]

find me a $50 NVIDIA 1050 Ti on eBay!

[spare relic]

I'm not going to sorry

[keen nacelle]

Even this would be a better buy https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Mc7G3C/sapphire-radeon-rx-6500-xt-4-gb-pulse-video-card-11314-01-20g as long as you have a pcie 4.0 system

If you can afford more https://pcpartpicker.com/product/D9ytt6/asrock-radeon-rx-6600-8-gb-challenger-d-video-card-rx6600-cld-8g

Could likely find a used 6600 for the same price as the 1050 ti from newegg

[snow sparrow]

i dont think my HP z220 CMT Workstation Motherboard supports PCI Express 4.0 🙂

[spare relic]

don't even worry about that lol

[keen nacelle]

If you can afford that 6600 then I would try for that

If not, the 6500xt on pcie 3.0 I'm pretty sure still beats the 1050 ti

[snow sparrow]

This >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/125896740016 for $99.99c is that ok?

[keen nacelle]

It's better, still not good though

High 16 series goes for that price

I'd look for 980 ti, 1070, 1660 super, 1660, 1060 6gb, 2060, 1660 ti, 1080

Also 6600 and 5600xt

Could prolly find a dirt cheap 580 8gb

[oak rivet]

Is this in us

Newegg has some 580 under 100$

[keen nacelle]

Arc gpus also an option

[random walrus]

Make sure whatever it is works with his system

https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c03364712

400W, not sure if it has power for the gpu other than the pcie slot

[lone pond]

they come with a single 6 pin iirc

[solid glacier]

should i turn this on? or nah

6900xt^

also Is anyone else gettng stutters on the recent driver for 6900xt?

[livid idol]

DDU never hurts if you have issues like that

[solid glacier]

Im not actually sure if im getting stutters how would i check? i think i am but not surei did the ufo test but i didnt get any through that if i did it right

[livid idol]

That only checks for ghosting

[solid glacier]

oh

[livid idol]

Stutters you need some sort of chart plotting software to see how many and how bad

[solid glacier]

hm like what kind?

[livid idol]

There's GPUview which comes with the Windows diagnostic toolkit

Nvidia has Nsight now but Nvidia only ofc

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/get-started/adk-install

You want the WPT (Windows Performance Toolkit) feature https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/test/wpt/

[solid glacier]

Alright, and i just download it and run it during games?

[livid idol]

Here's a quick guide https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/display/using-gpuview

[solid glacier]

Ah kinda

idk

So i run the log.exe while gaming ig? and then gpu will tell me if im stutering

[livid idol]

It tells you a lot more than just fps that's for sure

[solid glacier]

But i run it doing gaming?

while gaming or just run it

[livid idol]

Yeah let it log while gaming and then use gpuview to see the data after

[solid glacier]

this is gpu view?

[livid idol]

That's the toolkit that contains gpuview

There's more than that included

[solid glacier]

is that the only program that sees stuttering or na i have alot of programs installed but not sure if they monitor that

[livid idol]

If you have afterburner installed you can kinda see stutters with the RTSS

[solid glacier]

yea i got afterburner installed im using rtss rn

[livid idol]

Ok well you can watch the line that shows 1% and 0.1% low fps and if that dips hard for more than a few ms, that's a stutter

[solid glacier]

this right

[solid glacier]

i have a framelimit on rtss should i turn that off to see the stutters or na

[livid idol]

nah stuttering is a drop in low frames not average

[livid idol]

looks ok

[solid glacier]

ight ill see. i also dont get how limiting my frame rate to my refresh rate helped with smoothing like i havent had problems since. but say i wanted to not play with a framelimter it wont be smooth

so i have it on show on screen display but it isnt displaying lmao

[livid idol]

There's a couple things at play for that actually.
If the GPU isn't pushing more frames to the monitor than it can handle then they sync better to the refresh rate.
Also if the GPU has a little more idle time to prepare the next frame then the next frame gets delivered faster, which makes it smoother with higher lows.

[solid glacier]

ohh okay, But i remember that my gpu was pushing more than 240 on certain games but it still wouldnt be smooth, i did a benchmark test with 3d spy and my fps was fine last time iv done it. Anyway to cehck to see if the gpu isnt pushing more frames to the monitor

[livid idol]

You mean like a way to check that the fps limiter is working? You just look at average fps for that

[solid glacier]

Noo I mean if my gpu is pushing the right amount of frames

Bc I’m guessing it’s not since it’s smoother when I use a frame limiter

[livid idol]

Right, you can just look at the average fps for that

And the 1% lows will show when there's big drops

[solid glacier]

Also should I turn this on, will more power make it perform better or no

[livid idol]

It can perform better with more power, if the cooling is up to snuff

[solid glacier]

Yea my gpu cooling is pretty good on apex it gets to 80-81c on max settings and im on 1440p

[livid idol]

Well as long as it's under 95 on the hotspot (junction on AMD cards) crank that power limit and temp limit

[solid glacier]

alright ill run hwinfo rn on my 2nd monitor and see but the rtss wont display on my game

[livid idol]

hwinfo doesn't have charts and I don't know if it tracks fps

[solid glacier]

no i mean im using hwinfo64 for hotspot temps

[livid idol]

oh ok

[solid glacier]

hotspot reached 86 but isnt getting near that anymore

rn tis at 72

okay during a game it was sttaying at 82-86

but never reached 95 rn

[solid glacier]

okay yea so my hotspot temps are good

so should i crank up the power?

[livid idol]

Go fur it

[solid glacier]

this right

but on a side note my rtss wont display and i have it enabled to show on screen

[livid idol]

Honestly you're leaving my area of expertise now, I haven't overclocked an AMD GPU since the original Radeon 6000 series.

[solid glacier]

oh dang, do u know how to make it display though or no?

to see the stutters

[livid idol]

I don't use RTSS, I use the Nvidia overlay

[solid glacier]

oh okay no worries

so on my 2 monitors when i click on my 2nd monitor it tabs out?

[livid idol]

Yeah run your games in borderless windowed mode instead of fullscreen

[solid glacier]

also question does overdrive feature on my monitor effect perforamnce anyway

like overdrive mode

[livid idol]

That only affects the monitor itself

It's a tradeoff feature between response time and ghosting, every monitor behaves differently and has different options

[keen nacelle]

Hey, for the power limit thing: 6000 series gpus for ocing like an undervolt on core and overvolt on memory

I would check with #overclocking to make sure, but I believe 6000 series likes MorePowerTool when increasing PL, I don't know what the difference between doing something on that and what you already did does

[solid glacier]

yea ivc messed with mpt i have it installed so underbolt on core and overvolt on memory bet yea ill look into it

[keen nacelle]

That's how it was for my 6800xt anyways for the first part, I've never used MPT though

[solid glacier]

bro this bar is flashin on rtss

got it bvm

this look bad @livid idol

[livid idol]

Nah that's fine

[solid glacier]

its roblox btw it shows up on but not apex lmfao

[livid idol]

Oh apex, yeah they don't allow overlays thanks to anti cheat

[solid glacier]

oh

xD

yuea my games are smooth as butter

man i wanna get the 7900xtx

bc it runs so well on warzone lol

[ebon parcel]

Is it true that Radeon cards suck at VR? Also what about Intel graphics cards?

[livid idol]

Radeon are ok now but Intel VR is still pretty broken

Nvidia is still better though

[solid glacier]

i got the oculus quest 2 but i kinda wanna get the new vr headset that recently came out

[supple grove]

Last December I ordered a quest 2, but for some reason they didn't include the controllers (this was used), so I returned it. But it made me realize that vr is kinda useless apart from a few games that don't take long to finish per game

[grizzled nimbus]

uh, they should, unless some weirdupdate just happened lol

i use msi ab all the time on it

[unique quarry]

my rxt 2070 just died in a mess of sparks and smoke, with the crazy prices of today cards whats the best replacement for 1440p gaming?

[vital oriole]

where do you reside in? the country you live in

and what's your budget

[unique quarry]

USA looking at 7900xtx right now but not sure if it over kill or good for future

[vital oriole]

xtx is a good gpu

but i don't think you need a gpu of that caliber

depending on the rest of the system, xtx can be good or not optimal

6950xt can be had for $600 these days

[unique quarry]

have a r9 7950x cpu

[vital oriole]

look in newegg and you will find some

hm, well then 7900xtx is good buy

go for it

if you wanna save money, 6960xt

[oak rivet]

7900xt is around 750$ aswell

[unique quarry]

also play vr with vive pro

[keen nacelle]

I would be very worried about your power supply if that happened to your 2070

Also if it is the psu, every single other part of the pc aside from case

[unique quarry]

it was on water and over clocked to mox from day one

[keen nacelle]

That doesn't change what I said

[unique quarry]

seasonic prime 1000 is my power supply

[keen nacelle]

I would do a paperclip test to verify if it works, or if you have a very cheap gpu you don't care about lying around throw that in and test it

Oh wait, your cpu has an igpu

Try booting the pc with the gpu taken out

[unique quarry]

yeah a have a 1050 in the system right now and its working

[keen nacelle]

Ah alright

Just wanted to make sure, because if the psu was bad you don't want to buy a new gpu just to kill it lol

[unique quarry]

yeah i have already tested in on a bench system

[vital oriole]

7900xt isn't a good buy

since 6950xt exists for less

it's either 6950xt or the xtx

[oak rivet]

6950xt also noticeably weaker

[vital oriole]

7900xt isn't faster

[quartz gull]

I saw a 6950XT used on Facebook marketplace for $400 recently, make sure you check your local used markets too

[vital oriole]

lol

[heady turtle]

Not that much of a gap between 6950xt and 7900xt

[oak rivet]

Yeah it's not faster

[vital oriole]

6950xt faster, and xtx is faster than 7900xt

[heady turtle]

For 200ish more xt non c isn't worth

[oak rivet]

Also getting extra 4gb vram and way better rt perf

[vital oriole]

other option would be a used 6950xt

considering they have 2070

it doesn't matter

6950xt still an upgrade

[heady turtle]

If you want rt then you'd get the 4070ti tho

[vital oriole]

^

[oak rivet]

An 800$ 12gb card is yikes

[quartz gull]

Just remember it was gonna be $900

[heady turtle]

12gb is plenty lol

[vital oriole]

can we not worry about vram so much

[oak rivet]

Lol

[vital oriole]

it's not like your pc is gonna explode

[quartz gull]

If Nvidia launches a 75 watt RTX card I'll literally buy 5 at launch

[vital oriole]

wait for 4050 maybe

it's likely

they can do it easily with ada being efficient

[quartz gull]

The efficiency improvements with ada

Have me so excited

Maybe it'll be like the 950

[vital oriole]

4070, less than 200w with 3080 perf

that's a 300-400w gpu lol

[quartz gull]

It was a 100 watt card but some AIBs has 75 watt versions

They were down clocked a bit though, like a full 20%

I have a no external power 950 as my backup GPU

[vital oriole]

4050 would be a formidable backup

45w gpu, 3060 perf

75*

[quartz gull]

I just bought i7 8700 Dell optiplexes for $170 a pop

I'm just sick of throwing 1650's in machines

[vital oriole]

i hope 4050 fulfils this gap

[quartz gull]

They're getting old we kinda just need a new generation 75 watt card

[vital oriole]

it will cost more than 1650 but yeah

an actual 75w gpu

[quartz gull]

1650 launched in 2019 and the RX 6400 is more of a failure than me

Like the i7 8700 is still a decent CPU

But it can't use the 6400 because the pcie 3.0 gimps it

[vital oriole]

4 lane

[quartz gull]

I bought 6 of these, I'mma upgrade them to 16GB of ram and replace the 500GB HDD for 500GB sata ssds

$170 for an i7 8700 machine isn't bad at all tbh

I love it when businesses sell old stuff

Some of them are pretty dusty though so imma have to clean them out pretty good

Imagine a budget $150 AMD card

THAT HAS 8+ LANES

AND 75 WATT

We were so close

6500XT is 90 watts and is a failure of a GPU
6400 is 60 watts and is a failure of a GPU

Also the lack of media encoding on the 6400 is ???

Like isn't that one of the purposes of a GRAPHICS card

[vital oriole]

it's a repurposed laptop gpu

[quartz gull]

Yeah but it's extra stupid

In a laptop the IGPU will do the video encoding

For a desktop you're just screwed

[oak rivet]

https://www.youtube.com/live/umJQXe5haa0?feature=share

Saying 7600 might have a 16gb variant later

But new gpu this may 25

[unique quarry]

asus tuff gaming 7900 txt OC 1199.99 + EK-Quantum Vector 299.99 ouch my poor credit card

[oak rivet]

Lol over a 4080 🤣

[unique quarry]

I have a custom loop so need a card with a water block

[lone pond]

if that's all it gets it wouldn't be that impressive imo. 65w 3060 mobile parts already come within spitting distance of the desktop variety provided they aren't being baked alive inside of a horribly cooled laptop

[vital oriole]

it's not that impressive

but it is a change nonetheless

the 75w desktop gpu releases has been underwhelming lately

[livid idol]

The few that exist yeah

[lone pond]

fair enough

[solid glacier]

Why cant i find call of duty.exe for my rtss

theres only the launcher

[hasty sphinx]

Because it's named something funky.

[solid glacier]

do you know what or nahb

[hasty sphinx]

I can't remember. Lemme see if I can find online. I'm at work so I can't look on my PC.

[solid glacier]

This

[hasty sphinx]

Nah its

Wierd

[solid glacier]

Okay thx, just @ me when u find it

[hasty sphinx]

When you load up the game completely (like at lobby screen). What does task manager say?

[hasty sphinx]

Yes that's the one

[solid glacier]

i cant find that in rtss though

[hasty sphinx]

Click on it. It has 2 processes.

What 2 are running?

[hasty sphinx]

Ok are you able to right click the top one?

[solid glacier]

yea

[hasty sphinx]

I can't remember but what are the options?

Tad busy at work, so I'm helping in between customers

[solid glacier]

1 sec game crashe dlmao

[hasty sphinx]

Can you click on "properties"

[solid glacier]

yea

[solid glacier]

^

[hasty sphinx]

That'll be the one you want then

[solid glacier]

so cod.exe

[hasty sphinx]

Yeah

[livid idol]

I know that's gloves but those fingers look funky

[hot bough]

......... me 3070 struggling to render a partially finished donut with RT/PT.

[oak rivet]

Running out of vram? 🏃‍♀️

[keen nacelle]

WE GET IT

You believe 8gb vram isn't enough. You don't need to say it 267 times a day

It's so repetitive and so obnoxious

[oak rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/100-gif-25731094

avg 8gb owner denial

[keen nacelle]

It has nothing to do with that, I literally only play valorant which can run on a potato. It's just so annoying when you say the same thing over and over and over and crap on the same thing over and over and over, we know what you think you don't need to tell us again and again

[oak rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/okay-ok-meme-gif-21668690

[odd siren]

I agree tho, it's been non-stop almost for weeks now

[dreamy laurel]

8gb is fine for 90% of people

Literally who actually wants to play new games at max settings when 1) almost every AAA release in the last 3 years has been an unfinished mess, 2) games are expensive as hell these days, 3) there are a lot better indies out there

[spare relic]

4GB is plenty

[spare relic]

New games suck fr

[dreamy laurel]

8gb was more than enough to run doom eternal high-ultra and fortnite UE5 high-epic both at 144

[oak rivet]

not fortnite

my 8gb card was running out

[dreamy laurel]

Mf i literally benched my 2070S the most it dipped was 90

[oak rivet]

yeah i played in sub 40s and below that after the ue5 patch came out

crashes in tlou where the 2080ti had none

but i am gonna play valorant to justify 8gb cards

👍

[dreamy laurel]

So

Some people are fine with not playing a trash pc port of an already trash game

[dreamy laurel]

You problem

[oak rivet]

yeah the 3070 is an esports and indie games card

the 2080ti is not

[dreamy laurel]

1440p 144+ on high-epic on my 2070S

[oak rivet]

sure

2070s>4070

[dreamy laurel]

I didn't have lumen on

Also nobody needs to turn on every feature

[oak rivet]

Epic preset has lumen and nanite on by default

[vital oriole]

We must use every feature, pc gets obsolete every year

Nvidia and AMD stocks:

It is not unreliable because twitter tech tubers says otherwise

All they do is telling you to waste money tbh

Exactly what the companies want you to do

Buy gpu every gen

Looking at osd daily during gaming is also only gonna fuel that mindset

[oak rivet]

lol been a while i heard of j2c

[lone pond]

"buy a $1200 3090 ti, they'll only get more expensive"

[vital oriole]

my 3090ti is now old

must buy 4090

[lone pond]

buy a $2000 4090, they'll only get more expensive

[vital oriole]

did you perhaps buy that evga 4090 prototype

[lone pond]

i wish lol

[oak rivet]

which vid he said that?

[vital oriole]

same lol, it'd go up in value like crazy

[lone pond]

he didn't, I was parodying his "buy a 3090 ti" video

[oak rivet]

;ik the 3090ti one

oh

[vital oriole]

i was simply joking around

[lone pond]

tbf though, Safi does have a point even if they're taking it to the extreme. 8GB of vram was an issue in some games almost since the inception of the 3070. I ran into issues with it with certain settings in bf2042 for instance, and that game uses the same engine as bf5. that said, you could smack DLSS quality mode on and get more performance at less vram usage for equal image quality, so it was a nonissue. however that isn't always an option.

sure, you can drop settings, and that's totally valid for an existing card you already own. I'd stray away from making purchases of new cards with low vram buffers though. even 12GB doesn't seem long for this world on the 4070/ti imo. but hey, that's just my take

[vital oriole]

seriously tho, games have gone way too crazy with being lazily made

[spare relic]

I prescribe safi with GTX 760 for 6 months to wean off the addiction, and 1280x720 to alleviate the withdrawal symptoms

[lone pond]

taking such a hardline stance on either side is kinda dumb imo. it is a problem, but don't buy a 4090 because your 2070 only has 8GB

[vital oriole]

even a top of the line 4090 doesn't do well maxed out in 4k in a few

[oak rivet]

still does not justify only 12gb for a 800$ product but whatever ehh

[lone pond]

true

[vital oriole]

it doesn't really matter in the end

if we keep boycotting like this but keep buying nvidia anyway, nothing is going to change fast

^

1650 for a time was the most popular steam gpu lmao

[lone pond]

right. if you're happy to turn down settings then do that

[vital oriole]

3060 likely rose with chinese market

[lone pond]

otherwise, maybe don't buy an 8GB card, and be weary of 12GB ones

[vital oriole]

cuz chinese lang skyrocketed by 50%

[oak rivet]

when medium textures look like garbage on 8gb cards

[vital oriole]

people with 1650 wouldn't say it as trash

because they are satified

[oak rivet]

this

[vital oriole]

so suddenly everyone using a say

1650 is suddenly stupid?

cuz they decide to stick to it

[dreamy laurel]

High-epic custom

[dreamy laurel]

It depends on game

[vital oriole]

i would not push personal views to people making purchase decision

[dreamy laurel]

BF2042 was already a buggy mess and a bad game

[lone pond]

if they want to play cp2077, yes. if they want to play esports games (the kinds of games the card was meant to play) then no, it's perfectly reasonable

[lone pond]

it's been ironed out. it's one of my favorite games in my library currently

[vital oriole]

i mean it can run cp2077 at med-low mix

[oak rivet]

lol its not like cards with more vram arent out there for same or cheaper price

[vital oriole]

no texture issues

hell i ran 2077 with my 850m

2 gigs vram still did a-okay, albeit i did have to use render res scale

[lone pond]

can it now? interesting. i would have expected 1080p low at like 30 fps at best

[vital oriole]

it can surely do above 30

[dreamy laurel]

Core>vram

[lone pond]

you do realize that games take 3-5 years to make? there is no catering to a market that only sprung up 2 and a half years ago mate

not for another few years at least

[dreamy laurel]

DEPENDS ON THE GAME

Cough cough ea sports

[lone pond]

you're conflating two arguments again

stop straw manning

[vital oriole]

https://youtu.be/W6Htj9qNrns

this is a laptop too

[lone pond]

neat!

[vital oriole]

nitro 5

low gets above 30

[spare relic]

Bro forgot that GPUs take years to make too 💀

[vital oriole]

but not near 60 ofc

[lone pond]

what does that have to do with playing games at higher settings?

[vital oriole]

it's still a 1650, but it's doable

[oak rivet]

well i will take my peace saying my 8gb card definetly bit the dust and i am soo glad it is away from me

[lone pond]

you can drop settings if you want. if you don't, don't buy a card without more vram

sure

[vital oriole]

if you're buying gpu rn, i would say don't tbh

[oak rivet]

and ik a few 3070 owners aswell who have the raw compute to turn things up but cant due to vram

[vital oriole]

there is no need if you're satisfied with current stuff

unless it's ded

[oak rivet]

and are selling the 3070

[lone pond]

used market is decent at least

[vital oriole]

few is not all

and yeah, used is a nice way

or just grab a 6650xt and be happy for multiple years

shadows, ao, aa and screen space reflections are basically the stuff people wanna see

no need for ultra

[vital oriole]

that is just a few people

it doesn't mean it is everyone

this feels like ubm but in the form of a person

8350K faster than 9900K

except in this case it's 3060 12g compared to 3080 10g

[spare relic]

More vram equals more better

[dreamy laurel]

The only game one needs to be happy is titanfall 2

[spare relic]

No sorry

[lone pond]

meanwhile you two sound equally insane. not because you're technically wrong, but because you're not admitting that there is actually a problem lol

safi is under the impression that </=8GB cards are dead, and the impression I get from you is that actually everything is completely fine, just ignore the half dozen games that just came out (I'm sure the other next current gen titles won't also need more vram)

[vital oriole]

there is a problem everywhere

[lone pond]

thwre is a middle ground you know, right?

[vital oriole]

it's devs and companies

pushing us to buy moar

[spare relic]

Dawg these new games suck

[dreamy laurel]

And i said who tf wants to play any modern AAA release when most of them are bad games to begin with, expensive, and unfinished messes

[vital oriole]

and yeah i mean i wouldn't go out of my way and fell people to get a 1650 now

or 6500xt

[lone pond]

sure, so then don't buy new hardware

[vital oriole]

my point was buy only when your experience isn't fun anymore

and that you could afford it

but if you're still okay with your current hardware, don't

[lone pond]

right, and that's exactly my own point. with the caveat that if you're buying a new card for playing new games, maybe don't buy one that's going to run out of vram in a year

[vital oriole]

i'm not against innovation, it's nice to have faster and better things

i don't know honestly, 8 gigs was and is still good for most

[oak rivet]

if 3070 owners are having to turn down textures they are having a visually degraded experience compared to its counterpart 6700xt but if you already have a 3070 just have to turn down settings ig

[vital oriole]

it has lasted for years

and still will tbh

^

oh also, the console version of said game can run without issues

because there was actual work put into optimization

[lone pond]

would you rather we go back to games looking like they did 6 years ago? we're in a new generation of games, it's reasonable to expect a sharp increase in performance expectations before a plateau. that's just how that works

[oak rivet]

they are not

[vital oriole]

ps5 has only like 1-2 gigs of ram allocated as vram normally

[oak rivet]

look at a770 with 16gb or the rx 6700

[vital oriole]

can't you see how there is bad pc ports?

[lone pond]

because it has a unified memory system, that's a complete misrepresentation of reality. it can stream textures in and out because they're all right there

[vital oriole]

tlou looks worse than ps3 version

you can emulate the game and it will use up less vram

and look better

[lone pond]

tlou is a bad port. but when there are half a dozen games coming out that all want more vram than previously, am I to expect that they're all bad ports or are the standards changing

[vital oriole]

it is not a misinterpretion, a ps5 works just like an igpu system lol

[cyan vault]

They’re all bad ports to be honest

[lone pond]

prior to turing, vram was neary doubling tier to tier every generation. games take years to develope. the reasonable assumption to make is that game devs targeted what they thought would be a market with cards that have far more vram than they do

[lone pond]

cope I guess

[oak rivet]

just gonna ignore the 6800 selling for cheaper then a 3070

[vital oriole]

so what, a ps5 will allocate 8 gigs as vram, only leaving 8 to the rest of the system?

it is just pure laziness

now i don't expect same level of console optimization

but the diff in requirements is unreal

[lone pond]

a ps5 isn't a PC. all of it's memory is unified, it's just there. there's not a meaningful distinction betwen vram and system ram. whereas on a PC you need data in system memory and video memory

[oak rivet]

cheaper then 3070

[vital oriole]

what do you mean it's not a pc?

it's all amd

[lone pond]

if AMD made a toaster would it be a PC?

[vital oriole]

it's literally all architectures based on pc parts

x86 zen 3

[lone pond]

it's laid out very differently than a PC

[vital oriole]

rdna 2 gpu

[lone pond]

go read a block diagram or smth

[vital oriole]

then tell me why xbox runs windows

it uses similar hw as ps5

[livid idol]

Technically yes. A flip phone is a computer.

[vital oriole]

xbox also has unified memory

[lone pond]

different SOC, also one that's quite a lot different from the PS5. it does still have a semi-unified memory though, so the same principle applies

anyway, I'm all done arguing with nerds on the internet. I'm going to go be a productive member of society and have some tasty breakfast

[vital oriole]

it is still an amd x86 zen 3 arch "soc"

aka apu

[lone pond]

read a block diagram sometime

[vital oriole]

my point exactly

i don't see a modern console being any diff to a pc, just different os

[livid idol]

This got me thinking of raspberry pi and now I'm hungry

[vital oriole]

lmao

[spare relic]

Send pie pls

[vital oriole]

my phone is a pc

pocket pc that is

[spare relic]

My Nintendo switch is pc

[vital oriole]

personal computer, aka computer for personal uses

so just about anything with microcontroller

[oak rivet]

this thing does not exist

[vital oriole]

when did we say 6800 does not exist

[oak rivet]

but you have to pay more 🤷‍♂️

[livid idol]

If it has a processor and memory it's a PC. Most microcontrollers do.

[oak rivet]

👍

[vital oriole]

people has lost the meaning of what a pc means

smh

[spare relic]

I don't personally like computing, that's why I get the personal computing devices to do it for me

[vital oriole]

brain bad at computing

flesh pc no workie well

[livid idol]

The flesh PC just takes too long to program

Easier to use silicon

[vital oriole]

flesh pc invents silicon pc

smort

[spare relic]

Beeg braine

[livid idol]

People that took the time to program their flesh PC invented the silicon ones so other people don't have to

[spare relic]

[livid idol]

And so the abacus was born

[vital oriole]

now with ai, the silicon can not only help us. it can design itself to be better version

[livid idol]

Self programming AI is legit scary though

[vital oriole]

it really is

this was unthinkable just a decade ago

2013, we still had crappy ai

or just pre programmed

[odd siren]

Jfc there's a lot to read since I turned this off.

Sure, we can acknowledge there can be a problem that is inevitably, ok.

So what about the 95% of pc gamers on 8gb vram or less?...

[dreamy laurel]

Hey at least i dont have to code arduino anymore

Chatgpt

[odd siren]

This vram crap is just blown way out of perspective and devs can just do better to cater for the remaining majority. It's not like a game suddenly became impossible to run with less vram caching.

There's a reason this happened

Same with TLOU, HGW and all the other poorly running games before it. You could argue for a need for change or you could argue for dev incompetency to recognise the status quo of a market. I choose the later tbh

If anything this to me just highlights that devs are trying to do something the market isn't ready for

[dreamy laurel]

Core > vram

[livid idol]

The issue from the dev perspective is it takes a lot of time to optimize the textures to fit an 8gb buffer. They're sick of it when that time can be better spent squashing bugs and getting something playable launched.

[dreamy laurel]

"3060 has more vram than 3070" theres a reason the 3070 outperforms it

[odd siren]

Yeah and this is why these games have been met not only comtroversially but with poor launch impressions

They dig their own holes like this

This reminds me of the whole digital ownership scandal bs that blew up many years ago

[livid idol]

Damned if you do, damned if you don't for that optimizing. People will complain either way.

[oak rivet]

8gb is fine 🙂

Give 8gb in 2030 aswell

[odd siren]

No devs can just do better. Stupid when a 4090 needs 19gb just to run a game in 1440p

[livid idol]

It's still pretty rare to see a non modded game that can use more than 12gb, they're not that crazy

[odd siren]

Sure but dial back the clock 8 months ago and this was hardly ever a complaint

I'm all for positive change but the whole *8gb is dead" crap is way out of proportion

[oak rivet]

3060 does have better lows

[dreamy laurel]

Entry level is a 6600/xt

[odd siren]

One thing that'll never change from this discussion is market reception to this vram bs. Most people live and get by on run of the mill pc's with 3050's, 2060s, 3070's. People will downvote, refund and not play these games

You can't change that most people don't want to spend up just to play these crappy ports so devs lose business

[oak rivet]

Just don't play and cope that the gpu which is powerful enough is held back by the vram

[dreamy laurel]

Silent majority agrees that people don't want to play a lot of new AAA games and would rather stick with good indies with charm

Or older titles

[oak rivet]

Every game is gonna unoptimized this year or next from a 8gb owner perspective

[spare relic]

Entry level is a 970

High end is a 2060

[oak rivet]

Meanwhile 2080ti and 6800 cruise through

[odd siren]

Finally took you weeks to admit this is the right thing to do. Turn down the settings or refund a crap game

[odd siren]

Honestly this^

[dreamy laurel]

CS2 😤

[odd siren]

Games are fun without the graphics nonsense

[oak rivet]

I am not saying 3070 owners to upgrade but don't buy a 8gb card knowingly the gpu can't do good in titles at the time of buying

[livid idol]

Agreed, most of the games I play are at least a few years old

[dreamy laurel]

Also a lot of newer titles have the most boring ass gameplay ive seen

[odd siren]

Yeah but your same ethos is the moment your own card runs out of vram you panic buy a 2080ti

There's no middle ground with you safi

[dreamy laurel]

Also no good game soundtracks released these days

Besides nintendo

Say what you want but splatoon 3 soundtrack goes hard

Only modern AAA games i wanna try are FC6 DLC, ghostwire tokyo, P5R, and 2077

Cant get em cuz im broke

And MW2 just cuz funny

[spare relic]

I forget what games I want to play

[odd siren]

Waiting for FM8 rn

[spare relic]

Oh yeah Lego Racers 3

[odd siren]

Nothing else has truly set my interest off this year

[livid idol]

I might be in the minority but I've never had a desire to play cp2077

[spare relic]

I don't really care about FM8 since I got FM7 tbh

[oak rivet]

Also when the 6800 is like 50$ cheaper rn

[odd siren]

Yeah but buying a new 30 series for a long time has been an L take anyway

[dreamy laurel]

What i wanna see is a AAA VR game

[dreamy laurel]

Ok but where your dlss crutch that you love so much

[oak rivet]

🤷‍♂️

[dreamy laurel]

CS2 and TotK are the only games im interested in this year

[oak rivet]

Dlss doesn't reduce vram usage noticeably

I have seen 500mb reductions at most

[odd siren]

Ah yeah CS2 forgot about that one for a minute

[oak rivet]

https://twitter.com/Buildzoid1/status/1623943507487387655?t=YWTk7SH0vQi6IjuTV8CPhg&s=19

Buildzoid (@Buildzoid1)

@shraf2k @HardwareUnboxed you either have enough VRAM or you don't and then the game either silently drops texture quality or stutters like mad due to needing to access the CPU's RAM.

Twitter · Feb 10, 2023, 7:14 AM

[odd siren]

Just keep seething about it honestly lmao

[oak rivet]

OK I will

Probably seethe more if I had a 3070 rn

[odd siren]

Can't wait to see you panic buy a 20gb+ card in the next 2 months

[dreamy laurel]

Mans defending 2023 releases harder than i defend final point in tf2

[spare relic]

Buy 5090 128gb for 24 thousand dollars

So you can play Roblox at 16k

https://tenor.com/view/cat-break-dance-gif-26088316

[dreamy laurel]

Mans tryna justify spending money on a new gpu

And all the crap pc ports

[odd siren]

Idk man

[oak rivet]

Did I say 3070 owners should upgrade

[odd siren]

It's gone from caring to just grey now

[oak rivet]

But you don't willingly get a 8gb card in 2023

[odd siren]

You keep thinking that mate

Lol

[oak rivet]

👍

[dreamy laurel]

Only reason i upgraded gpu is cuz i dont wanna have to upgrade until im in and out of college and so i could also have av1 support and play VR

[odd siren]

I'm off to play games on my 3060 6gb

💀

[dreamy laurel]

Tell that to the people buying 6600xts to this day

And used 1070s

[oak rivet]

And how much cheaper is that to a 3070

[dreamy laurel]

$250-300

used 1070 is like $100

[oak rivet]

🤷‍♂️

[odd siren]

[oak rivet]

You compare similar price to price

Buying a 500$ 8gb card wilingly

[odd siren]

Got no answer for the 100$ question do we

[dreamy laurel]

core>vram

[odd siren]

💀💀

[dreamy laurel]

3080ti and 4070ti both use g6x and 12gb

[oak rivet]

And?

6700xt is more desirable then a 3070

[dreamy laurel]

they perform about the same

3070 beats in most cases for averages

[oak rivet]

Until the 3070 runs out of vram 💀

[spare relic]

My 970 is equivalent to a 1060 and better than a 1650 by a small margin

[dreamy laurel]

based

[spare relic]

Better than a 1060 3GB at least, equiv to 6GB

[oak rivet]

But ok 8gb vram is fine I won't dwell 👍

My previous card definitely didn't crash 💀

[spare relic]

You will dwell

[odd siren]

Ya you always dwell

[oak rivet]

Never gonna have better graphics if we are hold back by 8gb like this

[odd siren]

Guarantee we see like another 12 posts of you dwelling

Just in the next 24 hours

💀

[spare relic]

Safi, dwellmaster

[oak rivet]

Also jedi survivor runs fine on 8gb cards

People blaming their 4090s for cpu issues 💀

[dreamy laurel]

"jedi survivor needs more vram"

[oak rivet]

Would be the case with tlou but cpu is a bigger issue in this game

[dreamy laurel]

its already a bad game to begin with from a buyer standpoint cuz of all the drms and "security"

probably a cpu issue but purely devs fault

[livid idol]

EA was quick to blame the Intel e-cores for the performance issues

[oak rivet]

Yeah but 7800x3d was clearly not seething

[livid idol]

"Modern multicore CPUs designed for Windows 11 running on Windows 10" specifically is what they blamed

[dreamy laurel]

oh huh i swear it said 7800x3

d

[oak rivet]

When I saw the 7800x3d struggle to maintain 60fps i knew something is wrong

Literally the strongest chip out there rn

[dreamy laurel]

x3d and amd encoder have so much potential but shame professional software doesnt use

most demanding games i play are fortnite security breach and doom eternal

[odd siren]

Tmw next-gen RDNA is becoming actually good at pure tensor work

Patch by patch they're closing the gaps

[dreamy laurel]

oh i just remembered i have a ton of free stuff on epic

[spare relic]

Me too

[dreamy laurel]

peak game

[spare relic]

I got mudrunner for free and I can play it on my A8-6410 all in one PC

I want to get snowrunner

I have all the mudrunner dlc except for the American one

[odd siren]

"a percentage" LMAO

[dreamy laurel]

i have BL3, bioshock all, daemon x machina, wolfenstein NO, death stranding, watchdogs 2, hitman games, xcom 2

[odd siren]

Sounds like they can't deny that the percentage is significant

💀💀💀

[spare relic]

I got GTAV from epic

[livid idol]

The bioshock trilogy with the remasters was a great set from epic

[spare relic]

Fun to be able to play the funny GTA game

[dreamy laurel]

how good is death stranding

[spare relic]

Idk I don't have it

[livid idol]

From what I've heard it's average

Some people love it, others just meh

[oak rivet]

You can bruteforce the games with a 7800x3d and 13900k ngl

[dreamy laurel]

ok

[oak rivet]

Oh walking simulator

[vital oriole]

oh my god

of course ea had to blame on e cores

[spare relic]

EA is an ecore

[vital oriole]

i lost a brain cell reading that

now my flesh pc is slower

[spare relic]

My flesh PC was always slow 😎

[heady turtle]

HOW DARE YOU

[cyan vault]

fun delta on XTX

[livid idol]

Wheeeeee

https://tenor.com/view/underdawgs-udtothemoon-to-the-moon-gif-26046563

[solemn panther]

https://tenor.com/view/vergil-i-need-more-power-dmc-devil-may-cry-gif-13108410

[cyan vault]

For some reason going to windows 11 made the GPU temp lower, but junction higher lmao

[spare relic]

Huh

❓

[cyan vault]

I switched to windows 11 just to see how performance is(mostly the exact same), and for some reason my junction temps are way higher

Same settings and everything

While the edge is lower

went from 70-75 edge 80-90 junction to 65-70 edge 90-100 junction with the only difference being windows 11

[livid idol]

Did you DDU the drivers between those tests

[cyan vault]

Yep

[livid idol]

Hmmm

[cyan vault]

DDU and windows 11 drivers

[fringe scroll]

likely just a ambient temp difference

windows wouldnt do that

[cyan vault]

I had a weird thingy with chipset drivers but it functions the same

Wouldn't let me uninstall or reinstall em

[livid idol]

Yeah that's a known thing. It's recommended to do a clean install going from 10 to 11 to avoid, especially on AMD.

[cyan vault]

Yikes. Could revert back to 10 and then back to 11 again

[fringe scroll]

Ive experienced this first hand LOL

[cyan vault]

But does it actually like, do anything? Numbers have been the exact same on every game idk lol

[fringe scroll]

Win 10 seems to be better with amd for me

[livid idol]

You can always take a system image of 10, save it to a backup drive, and clean install 11

That way you can restore 10 even past the 10 day test period too

[cyan vault]

Oh fairs

[wicked hound]

Wow, that VRAM discussion had bad points from everyone IMO. Overall everyone should be on the middle ground where it's both game devs and Novram's fault. Wall of text inbound... Some points I'd like to make:

Firstly, no one defined texture "quality". This needs to be defined with an actual resolution and if it has any modifications that will increase VRAM (mainly mipmapping comes to mind). One cant say texture storage optimization is bad if there is no defining stuff about it. Random words like "medium" mean nothing across games of the same time period, let alone games across a multi GPU generational time period.

Other features that can sip at VRAM is also not mentioned. If there are say ten new graphical features (say for example RTGI/RT reflections/RT RT/RT IDK anymore/RT what even is RT at this point) introduced over a time period that sip at VRAM, that'll add up.

I've noticed a few mentions of large VRAM based GPUs (3090(Ti)/4090) eating VRAM like it's nothing. This is more of a "kinda concerning" thing rather then a bad thing. Dont forget texture caching exists and you only ever get to see VRAM allocation usage rather then actual VRAM usage. New SW game did have a mem leak afaik, but taking 19GB on a 24GB card doesnt mean it'll need a 20GB+ card as it might only be utilizing 16GB and then have 7GB as cache which ends up being 9GB of VRAM usage (example, SW port didnt do this).

---

People seem to really disregard the fact that VRAM has been doubling for at least XX70 tier, and prolly every tier, every two generations (apart from 800 series) when looking at Fermi - Turing. As it was noted earlier games take ages to develop and expecting Ampere to have doubled the VRAM was probably a thing. That said VRAM size has gotten to the point where doubling makes a massive difference, so deving for a "doubled" Ampere+ can make the game very hard to run on previous generations due to lack of VRAM. That point can further be extended with worrying about what most people will be on and such, so a few gens old and mainly low/mid tier hardware on average. But that can be the distinction between lowest - highest setting presents.

Lastly to talk about ports specifically, the way console work can seriously change a lot of stuff here. The PS5's unified 16GB memory can mostly be used for VRAM. With Xbox X it's kinda sorta capped at 10GB usable VRAM due to mem config (10GB @ 320bit + 6GB @ 192bit), can technically use more for texture caching but that'd be highly questionable cuz even 6GB of RAM including OS is hard to work with, let alone less. I'd suspect that with just this stuff alone (I'll talk about smth else soon) VRAM usage would prolly cap out at ~9GB for most devs. Another main point for consoles is direct storage. The ability to quickly load textures off disk is quite literally a game changer, it's literally a game design job to design levels with loading times in mind. It also massively changes the programming with how one optimizes graphical data. This cannot be brushed off like many just did. Seems like SW port wasnt really CPU/GPU bound as well, so I'd guess the complete change of optimization direction played a large role here in being a bad port. Windows DirectStorage still seems mainly unused by everyone, dont know if it's different then console direct storage.

So in conclusion, your best bet is to hate everyone equally. Enjoy the wall of text.

[hot folio]

Lucky for you, I already do hate everyone

[lone pond]

what I'm getting from this is that I was right

[solid glacier]

something definallyisn't right 118 fps on cod..

gpu must be screwed.

or idk

[solid glacier]

Any advice?

[solid glacier]

Nvm I’m getitng 160 fps

[vital oriole]

I don't know really, since directstorage equipped games has no perf gains on pc rn lmao

And isn't it exclusive to xbox and windows

PS5 has no such thing, but it does indeed cache textures with its speedy ssd, I do know that

So still similar to xbox

Pushing stuff that takes up so much vram like this is not right, and the gpu makers aren't right for being slow on vram increase

I don't know when did I ever convey that the gpu makers aren't at fault lmao

It's everything blended into one big mess

I suppose I didn't mention that, but it's okay. I'll just let it end here

I've got my answer out

[solid glacier]

gonna sell my 6900xt and get the 7900xtx tbh. im not getting the right fps with this 6900xt lol

[solid glacier]

welp

[solid glacier]

Not cope

[livid idol]

Nah it's a cope

[vital oriole]

at this point

reinstalling windows could probably fix it

sometimes windows is messed up

[livid idol]

Maybe, stranger things have happened and that can fix things

[vital oriole]

exactly

[solid glacier]

160 fps for low settings on a 6900xt isnt what im suppose to be getting i should be getting more

but im also not OC

[vital oriole]

low? that's probably causing massive cpu bottleneck rn

[livid idol]

GPU usage is probably not in the ideal range (90%+)

CoD has always been a CPU heavy game too

[solid glacier]

on 1440p res?

[vital oriole]

yes

try raising settings

[livid idol]

Watch the GPU usage

[vital oriole]

and yeah, do that

[solid glacier]

what should i use to manage usage

hwinfo?

[vital oriole]

msi afterburner

[livid idol]

Some overlay, afterburner rtss works usually

[solid glacier]

task manager work?

i got rtss but it doesnt show usage

[livid idol]

No

[vital oriole]

you have to configure it

[livid idol]

Task manager doesn't know jack about GPUs

[oak rivet]

Alt+r should bring up amd own overlay

[livid idol]

If you enable it yeah

[vital oriole]

there's vids of tutorial

but you can use amd's overlay

[livid idol]

Same with Nvidia, alt+r for overlay, alt+x for settings

But you have to enable it

[solid glacier]

in actuall warzone all my quality is high shadow is low 130f ps

80 usage on gpu 50 on cpu

[livid idol]

Yep you're not loading the GPU fully and the CPU is being blasted

Because 50% means half the cores are fully loaded

[solid glacier]

100 gpu 40

4- cpu

max settings'

same fps

[livid idol]

Yep that's a CPU bottleneck at work

You could upgrade to a dual 4090 (if sli wasn't dead) and not get more frames

[oak rivet]

Unless frame gen with 40 series

[livid idol]

That's a horrible idea in a shooter lol

[oak rivet]

Ye but that does cut right through cpu bound situations

[livid idol]

Kinda yes but not in the way you're thinking

[vital oriole]

the increased latency though

[livid idol]

You would get a few more frames out of it but not the usual 30% more

[vital oriole]

that eliminates the extra frames

[livid idol]

And yes worse latency, and garbage frames messing with your tracking

[solid glacier]

how do i fix it

[livid idol]

Overclock or upgrade the CPU

[solid glacier]

im measuring the usage with task manager

[livid idol]

There's a chance that a fresh install of windows would help still, since iirc you were on AMD and I know there's some odd issues with performance and windows 11

[vital oriole]

bruh

well task manager is very unreliable for readings

you could spend a few minutes figuring out how to turn on amd's overlay

or rtss

[livid idol]

I've seen task manager claim I'm using 100% of my GPU at idle. It was asleep at 0MHz.

[vital oriole]

lol ya

similar case is for salad

i have been running salad and task manager says it's only 2% loaded

[solid glacier]

i got amd rn

ill run a game warzone again rn

task manager is awful lmaooo

im not cpu bottlenecked ig now

amd says3%

[solid glacier]

^

[tulip lodge]

I could use some advice here. My monitor just stopped recieving signal today morning from my pc, even tho it was working perfectly yesterday night. After further digging we reached the possibility of a faulty gpu. My gpu is old, from around the start of covid, and its a 1050 ti(first hand). Could anyone recommend me as to what i should do now? Don't have the money to really upgrade to a 20 series...

[hasty monolith]

Did u check if monitor works with anything else besides ur pc like a console or something like that

[tulip lodge]

yepp i did, monitor isn't the problem

[hasty monolith]

which country?

[dreamy laurel]

Used rx 580s are cheap i think

[lapis zinc]

So I am noobie at this for those who don’t know

And I’ve been searching for a used gpu

But I am to scared to go with anything that isn’t Rtx 3060 ti founders edition, merc 6800 and sapphire pulse 6800

Hence why I haven’t found anything nearby which I can pick up and try

I wanted to know more about the other editions? Since if you search Rtx 3060 ti ur meet with multiple different gpus

[livid idol]

Whichever one is cheapest

Hopefully it's not the mech 2x but it's probably the mech 2x

[lapis zinc]

?

[livid idol]

It's a cheap design, runs a bit warmer than other models.
Which is technically fine with enough airflow.

[lapis zinc]

Ohh

[lapis zinc]

So it doesn’t really matter what edition? Or brand?

[livid idol]

Not on a 3060 ti. They're all acceptable.

[lapis zinc]

Ah does the same go for 6800xt?

[livid idol]

I think so yes

[lapis zinc]

Ah okey I will look at every graphic cards now instead of those selected few I’m familiar with

[oak rivet]

also 6800 and 3060ti kinda two different performance tiers

[livid idol]

Very different and yet about the same price rn lol

[solid glacier]

Welp atleast im not cpu bottlenecked

so now i wonder why im getting low fps

[odd siren]

@solid glacier weird suggestion

Idk if we ever talked about it

Have you ever enabled pcie 3.0 in the bios for your gpu

[solid glacier]

Yea its enabled im pretty sure. i can double check

[odd siren]

So not 4.0

Specifically 3.0

[odd siren]

Hm ok

And you don't have anything in the other pcie slots

?

[solid glacier]

Gen 3, is pcie 3.0 right?

[odd siren]

Ye

[solid glacier]

Nah not in the other gpu slots no

[odd siren]

Hm ok

Damn

[solid glacier]

Could be Just warzone to though lol I get 240 fps on apex in high settings

[odd siren]

I stumbled across that the other day as a possible fix, thought maybe it'd help cases like yours

Oh warzone? I hear that's a complete dice roll for good and bad maps

Some maps run really well, some run like 60fps lows

💀

[solid glacier]

I’m thinking about OC my GPU but not sure how much that will help

Also does this look correct? To have p cores on bc I’m on win11

[livid idol]

P cores are the performance cores

E cores are the efficiency cores

Having both on is good for win11

Disable E cores for win10

[solid glacier]

Ight cool, do I have them both on?

Yea I do

[heady turtle]

Disabling e cores why pepehands

[livid idol]

Yes they're all on

[solid glacier]

What(

[heady turtle]

Why are you disabling the e cores? Pepehands

[solid glacier]

Oh I didn’t

There on

I’m on win11 so there on lol

[odd siren]

Just always leave them on

[solid glacier]

i wonder hm i wanna snag the 7900xtx lol

but i might have to get a bigger psu

i got a 850w

[odd siren]

Rare instances where e cores off can help

[livid idol]

850W is plenty for XTX

You could run it on a 650W

[solid glacier]

also i have this off not sure if i should have it on or not

[solid glacier]

oh dang fr?

[odd siren]

850w +XTX+ 12700k is fine

As long as it's a good 850w psu

[heady turtle]

Iirc if you turn on you can just increase/decrease power limit

[solid glacier]

if i do turn it on i should just go oc right>?

[solid glacier]

yea

[heady turtle]

Yes you could oc it?

[hot bough]

I got around an extra 10-15 fps on average by overclocking my 3070.

[solid glacier]

oo

[hot bough]

and another around 13 fps by overclocking my cpu.

[little tangle]

So I fixed my storage problem

And finally added the new storage

Now my gpu won’t load

Fans turn on when startup but turns off after some seconds

So my monitor is not being displayed

Is it processing the new storage or something is wrong?

[livid idol]

Do you get a bios splash screen, where it shows your motherboard brand logo?

[little tangle]

Yes

[livid idol]

Then the hardware is fine, what's wrong is probably the boot order

When that splash screen comes up press the delete key

[little tangle]

I mean no

Mb

[livid idol]

What motherboard? Do you have any SATA drives?

[little tangle]

Nvidia Gigabyte 3060 ti

Only 1

[livid idol]

Motherboard, not gpu

Try moving the sata device to another sata port

Sometimes having a M.2 device conflicts with those

[little tangle]

Hehe mb

Gigabyte z590 UD ATX LGA 1200

[livid idol]

Ok so that's a little bit older. You might need to clear the cmos if moving the sata device doesn't help.

[little tangle]

Like remove it?

Won’t that mess the motherboard?

[solid glacier]

Fal do u have a amd gpu?

I wonder what driver is the most stable

[livid idol]

Remove what? The cmos battery? That's the idea, it resets the settings to default and forces it to recheck the system. Leave the battery out for 10 minutes.

[livid idol]

No 3080 ti

I do have an AMD one but it's a HD 5770

[little tangle]

Nvm I forgot to plug the part where you connect the gpu to the monitor

💀

[lone pond]

What’s is the radeon xfx 6700 xt 12gb vram capable of?

[livid idol]

Generally, 1440p high, or medium in harder to run games. 1080p max.

Lots of games it will hit 1440p max too

[oak rivet]

1080p definitely that cards sweetspot these days

[livid idol]

In recent AAA games sure

I was speaking more generally

[vital oriole]

yeah lol

Must have 20 for 1440p

24 gigs for 4k

[livid idol]

You're right. My pleb 12GB can barely do 1080p low now.

[fringe scroll]

I run everything 1440p max even cyberpunk since he loves that game so very much

Rt works too in select games

[fringe scroll]

Damn unfortunate

[spare relic]

My all in one PC runs mudrunner 😎

[solemn panther]

https://tenor.com/view/vergil-i-need-more-power-dmc-devil-may-cry-gif-13108410

[fringe scroll]

Nah cause mudrunner goes hard

[exotic trench]

👍

[hasty monolith]

Can i play jedi survivor at 4k low to med settings with 32 gigs ram and 6800xt?

[random walrus]

Maybe once it gets optimized/fixed

[oak rivet]

Really does depend what cpu you got

Game is relatively OK on the gpu department

[hot bough]

Is the new SW game very CPU heavy?

[oak rivet]

It is

People are blaming their gpus for cpu related issues 💀

[hasty monolith]

Have 5600 non x

[hot bough]

Oh xD.

[oak rivet]

I would wait for some patches then

https://youtu.be/AQgYcK9seS0

Yk it's bad when a 7800x3d sometimes dips below 60

[hot bough]

You think 5700G + 3070 + 32gb ram can handle the new game at 1080p?

[oak rivet]

But if you have a x3d cpu 60fps seems doable for the most part

[oak rivet]

Jedi survivors?

Again I would wait for some patches for things to get a bit better

[hot bough]

Yeah.

[oak rivet]

@hasty monolith

The new patch seems to have improve cpu performance

[hasty monolith]

I currently not overclocking my cpu via pbo on amd. Will perf increase if i pbo my cpu

[fringe scroll]

With amd always turn pbo on

Unless your bin is just complete garbage and won't run it lol

[odd siren]

pbo barely does anything it's the RAM OC that unlocks Ryzen's potential

[hasty sphinx]

sadly, I gotta wait until after work to test it out

if it's fixed fixed, I might just restart the game since I'm not to far in

[hasty sphinx]

sadly, I am not seeing a difference in the micro stuttering and random frame drops.

without RT

[oak rivet]

keep in mind its supposed to help in cpu limited scenarios

[livid idol]

"7600X" and "CPU limited"
What is this reality