At like 30% less perf then a 4090 
#graphics-cards
oak rivet
stable gust
So there is no difference between these 2? Then why the different prices?
On NewEgg it’s 8,900 Dhs
spare relic
I guess not
ivory herald
Video graphics array/adapter
spare relic
I didn't know what the A would be
oak rivet
that 4070ti aint no 4k gpu lol
a 1440p monitor purchase would be a much safer choice with that gpu
odd siren
Literally 1 of 4 benchmarks that didn't get near 4K60 lmao
And it's RT
Out of the entire suite
Both cards are definitely 4K60 cards if you want 4K with them
But they can go either way, 1440p high refresh or entry level 4K
fading glacier
faint plank
@keen nacelle 650w powerspec
keen nacelle
Uhhh
keen nacelle
<@654444344274845698> 650w powerspec
Are you the dude with the 5500xt?
faint plank
@keen nacelle yes
keen nacelle
<@654444344274845698> yes
And what is your budget for the upgrade?
faint plank
@keen nacelle idk, I am just looking at options
keen nacelle
<@654444344274845698> idk, I am just looking at options
You could buy a 4090 and 1000w psu, but if you had the money for that you wouldn't be rocking a 5500xt. What is the most you would want to spend
vocal tundra
I recently made a build a week ago consisting of an Intel arc a750 gpu and I had no problems. Until this morning I turned on the PC and I saw the white light on my motherboard indicating that my motherboard wasn’t recognizing my gpu (I think that’s what that means I hope) I’ve reseated the gpu multiple times, and have tired to power it on with one stick of ram. Nothing has worked, anything else I should try? I also realized that when I installed the card over and over again that it wiggled a lot in the slot.
faint plank
You could buy a 4090 and 1000w psu, but if you had the money for that you wouldn...
maybe 600ish
keen nacelle
maybe 600ish
Used 3080 with a new psu if you're fine with used, or used 6800xt and new psu, or 6800/3070/6700xt new and keep psu
faint plank
Used 3080 with a new psu if you're fine with used, or used 6800xt and new psu, o...
hmmm
oak rivet
I recently made a build a week ago consisting of an Intel arc a750 gpu and I had...
The motherboard manual should say somewhere what the light indicater is indicating
You got any other system to try the a750 in?
umbral granite
What’s a fair price for a 3070 that has been used for less than 4 months?
keen nacelle
What’s a fair price for a 3070 that has been used for less than 4 months?
350 max if I were buying
heady turtle
Depends on your country
keen nacelle
USD
umbral granite
Depends on your country
US
keen nacelle
I wouldn't pay more for a used 3070 than I could get a 6700xt new for
umbral granite
Alrighty, thanks
hoary igloo
unrelated but does anyone know when newegg orders ship out, its shipped from IN and i live i live in NC
and i bought it saturday
livid idol
Every time I've ordered they've been packed and shipped at different times throughout the day. Sometimes it can take a couple days for the carrier to pick up the package too.
raven flame
oh wait srry
dont click the link i will send a pic
Is there a vertical graphics card mount that will move the slot thingy closer to the glass? I just want to know if it’s a thing because it would be really helpful.
livid idol
Is there a vertical graphics card mount that will move the slot thingy closer to...
I hope that's for water cooling and not an air cooled GPU because closer to the glass will choke off air supply.
It looks like you could just drill a couple holes and move the riser over yourself.
raven flame
I hope that's for water cooling and not an air cooled GPU because closer to the ...
its aircooled idc abt my gpu
the fans dont spin when all i play is roblox💀💀💀
lone pond
Why do you have a 6750 xt for roblox lmao
livid idol
Eh. Let 'em live.
cyan vault
Hm.... @glacial prawnI have more info on what happens hardware wise on crash, but I'm not sure how to interpret it.
If you notice at the end it caps off, and stays the same power
That's when it crashed
Everything looks normal or follows the trend there
Besides voltage
This is what the 1st 8 pin is
2nd is a complete straight line
3rd went super low very fast and stayed there for some reason
Overall GPU voltage looks like this
seems like in general voltage jumps a ton
raven flame
ok ty
normal hawk
These GPU's are getting too big
Looking at the 7900 XT's and XTX's and I've only found 1 that would fit in my ITX PC.
ivory herald
livid idol
High end in ITX has always been a struggle
normal hawk
The only one that has a length short enough is the Powercolor one, does that still have the temp issues or whatever? \
livid idol
Which powercolor one
odd siren
Yeah that is, ref cards don't have temp issues anymore they're just loud
livid idol
It's a reference model yes but it's not using the reference cooler from biostar that was the main issue
normal hawk
Yeah that is, ref cards don't have temp issues anymore they're just loud
My speakers are louder
odd siren
I can't think of one biostar product of late that wasn't stupid
normal hawk
I legit have the volume at 1 because its too louuuddd
I wish the Phantom Gaming one fit 😦
odd siren
PG is nice
normal hawk
its 10mm too long. lul
odd siren
PG and Taichi unironically good, bit like an OCF moment
Still waiting for ocf tho
We might only get Aqua this gen cos almost every rdna 3 card has an identical pcb (give or take)
livid idol
Pretty much identical yeah. Which means AMD over-engineered it on purpose.
odd siren
They regulated it harder than Nvidia did and I actually appreciate this
AMD best partner
Means no dogwater pcbs
wicked hound
Tho doesnt RDNA3 have no real vBIOS modding support anymore?
livid idol
Best of 2 is still best lmao
wicked hound
Or is that just no Wattman support
odd siren
Tho doesnt RDNA3 have no real vBIOS modding support anymore?
It doesn't but hard mods work
Card will happily draw 900W for 200 more MHz
wicked hound
What is no worky? Wattman, flash, smth else?
wicked hound
Anyone tried external flash?
normal hawk
So, the case says max is 320mm,
my 3080 ti is 320.04 so I can't just put the new GPU in my main PC and move this one over 🥲 So unlucky. gets out the dremel
wicked hound
So, the case says max is 320mm,
my 3080 ti is 320.04 so I can't just put the n...
dremel is bae
Hammer also works
odd siren
Anyone tried external flash?
AMD locked RDNA3 down with more hardware-level encryption and security, my understanding is they can bypass it but they leave not only the card virtually unsecured but also leave themselves exposed to AMD and thus they didn't want to dive any further
It was a far deeper level than RDNA or RDNA2 was for bios soft modding
wicked hound
AMD locked RDNA3 down with more hardware-level encryption and security, my under...
wym by exposed to AMD? Crabby C&D stuff?
odd siren
I mean in the legal sense, I don't remember the details
As far as a full bios hard flash I have no idea, my card shipped with the highest power limit so haven't needed to look into it
wicked hound
Details in a de8auer video or smth?
odd siren
The best way to unlock it now is to take to it with solder and an EVC
Which scales to basically nowhere
Grab maybe 10% for double the power
Not even that, early results have shown little to no scaling whatsoever
Might scale with LN2? No idea yet
oak rivet
gleaming tundra
Nv still does not want to lower Gpu price. 
vital oriole
Not like they care anyway, people will still buy em
livid idol
And that's exactly why they won't lower prices
oak rivet
having some feature set advantage makes them retain their prices stronger
livid idol
He went so far as to add it to the open loop in his personal build so I think he'll be keeping it for a while. What's not to like?
oak rivet
Rt wise kinda on par with his previous 3090
Only thing inferior is the missing of the superior upscaling tech ig
livid idol
FSR isn't too bad though
Also Linus did commit to skipping the 40 series because of Nvidia's bad behavior
Interesting choice of comparison
odd siren
Lmfao 3080 still looking quite usable at 4K even after all this time
livid idol
That limited memory speed on the 4070 ti is making it look like the fool we knew it would be
Hogwarts killed them both in 4k though 💀
livid idol
Yeah, FSR or lower the RT settings
odd siren
Nah you can alter the vram allocation and not affect gameplay at all
It's a trick that popped up on reddit a little while ago
livid idol
Ah, interesting
oak rivet
Hogwarts was the game where dlss would be needed even at 1440p for both gpus
He tested AAA games like 40k darktide
Ahh I wanna kiss Steve
oak rivet
Hogwarts killed them both in 4k though 💀
Even at 1440p both were scraping 60fps
if games get anymore demanding 4070ti might lose its max out everything 1440p status sooner rather then later
okay there is a game way more demanding then this
4090 barely managing 30-40fps it seems
fringe scroll
Yea thats cals bad optimization
40fps on a 4090 is ridiculous
Even in 4k
I feel line some devs think they dont have to optimize games because we have dlss and fsr now
normal hawk
Skyrim is killing my 3080 ti lul
I'm glad the steam deck made me accept 45fps gameplay because that's what my 3080 ti gets at 4k with all my mods lul
fringe scroll
Oh my
normal hawk
It's the vram
Hence why I'm looking at 7900 XT and XTX...if my 3080 ti would fit in my itx PC that needs a GPU still 😦
odd siren
XT wouldn't really be an upgrade tho
XTX kinda?
Can't change itx case to something slightly bigger?
normal hawk
Vram is all I need
odd siren
Changing case would be a more budget friendly time lol
normal hawk
Bigger case for .04mm lol
odd siren
Ya
normal hawk
Would rather just cut the case
normal hawk
Dremel goes brrrr
odd siren
That's so small you could flex the steel
normal hawk
Ye
odd siren
Forget dremel
normal hawk
Could get a rubber hammer pretty easily
heady turtle
Vram is all I need
what kinda workloads do you do?
because going amd gpu might be a downgrade then
normal hawk
what kinda workloads do you do?
solely Gaming on that pc
odd siren
because going amd gpu might be a downgrade then
It's never a downgrade hmph
normal hawk
My workstation has a 3090
heady turtle
then why does just vram matter?
odd siren
You can trust me I'm an AMD simp
heady turtle
It's never a downgrade hmph
blender 
normal hawk
Modded Skyrim has a vram bottleneck at 4k
heady turtle
ahh
normal hawk
It's hilarious tbh. 100% usage on GPU and like 30% on the 5800x or something around there.
odd siren
Imagine Safi's face when he finds out the hardest game to run is a 10 year old modded thriving open world
It's almost like numbers don't matter
fringe scroll
Imagine
normal hawk
The only other game i play on my PC is star citizen and the GPU upgrade won't matter cause that's a CPU bottleneck
odd siren
Star citizen is a massive cpu bottleneck
64gb recommended
Best cpu ever
Rtx 2070
normal hawk
I have 5800x(fine), 32gbs ram(great) and a 3080 ti(great)
heady turtle
5800x(fine) 💀
heady turtle
whats a just good cpu for it then lol 7950x3d? lol
odd siren
Whatever you can manage as far as I know
normal hawk
The x3d's are great.
normal hawk
5900x, 5950x, 12th gen i7 and i9 are good.
13th gen i7 and i9 are great.
odd siren
You could sell your second rig* and the 5950x for a threadripper 💀
Or a cheap 2 grand 64 core epyc
7703P? Yup
normal hawk
The issues with the CPUs should have been offloaded to the GPU with the 3.18 patch when they swapped to the gen12 renderer
I haven't played 3.18 yet though cause of the issues with servers.
odd siren
Ah so not much of a bottleneck anymore
normal hawk
Yeee
odd siren
Ban urself
fringe scroll
Lmao
fringe scroll
Ban urself
5950x time 
odd siren
@wraith pasture requesting temp mod powers
fringe scroll
😁
odd siren
odd siren
I kinda wanna see what Zen 5 pumps out
Alder lake refresh refresh doesn't seem as exciting
10nm+++++
fringe scroll
Les gooo
fringe scroll
I kinda wanna see what Zen 5 pumps out
Yea it will likely be out by the time I build another
Unless things go well with getting a job
keen nacelle
Me when I take a comment and make an irrelevant response to it
spare relic
Bananas have more potassium than they do plutonium
oak rivet
Real
fringe scroll
Bananas have more potassium than they do plutonium
Strawberries have more Strawberry dna than bananas
spare relic
Bicycle tires are more round than they are square
fringe scroll
My brain is more smooth than it is wrinkled
odd siren
Rice is more cooked when it is hot
fringe scroll
spare relic
Your feet on average tend not to be above your head
spare relic
Might get some odd responses
Feet
oak rivet
and where is it
fringe scroll
Especially for how much cheaper it is compared to the 4090
odd siren
Dummy this isn't a video
fringe scroll
That's the 3090
odd siren
I'm watching someone OC it
fringe scroll
Dummy this isn't a video
Bros had enough 💀
vital oriole
4090 can't be oc'd too so it's not gonna lead oc'd xtx further
fringe scroll
Huh
odd siren
The fact it's getting this close to a stock 4090 is terrifying
And it's running at sub 60C temps
fringe scroll
Sheesh
oak rivet
again where some vid or chart would be nice
odd siren
There is no vid or chart
odd siren
It'll probably game even closer to a 4090 like this but who freaking cares
Imagine being 5% off a card worth 60% more
oak rivet
being 5% off would be a pipe dream
oak rivet
at 1080p sure that lower driver head amd will win
odd siren
fringe scroll
Jfc
oak rivet
Watching an XTX fly closer and closer to 4090 pace rn
didnt say it was synthetic bench
fringe scroll
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/36693005
Bros extreme score is higher than my normal timespy
odd siren
didnt say it was synthetic bench
Didn't ask
fringe scroll
I'm gonna need to AMD shill to protect the fine wine™️
Okay I've came back to my senses
odd siren
Damn only 10% off for $600+ less
oak rivet
and i checked any type of cpu limitation goes away at ts extreme
odd siren
4080 is just gone
fringe scroll
does seem close to my friends 4090
4090 with 5600x💀
odd siren
and i checked any type of cpu limitation goes away at ts extreme
TS extreme is extremely gpu heavy that's why
oak rivet
4090 with 5600x💀
he did see a huge improvement compared to his old 3090
odd siren
If he ran that test on regular TS which is 1440p that card will tank the score hard
Probably actually be running slower than some XTX's
odd siren
It's not a driver overhead problem it's cpu bottlenecking
The 5800X3D is better and equally guilty
My 13900K at stock bottlenecks it in that test
fringe scroll
odd siren
And time spy/extreme are excellent perf indicators
You want a 5 minute intake of a gpu review? Look at TS scores
You won't see any RT out of it fine but you got port royal or speedway for that, relatively speaking
fringe scroll
But but but acording to my freind his 1660super is better cause amd sucks
oak rivet
xtx is the second fastest raster gpu but at 4k its not within 5% of 4090 soo that can sound bad without context
fringe scroll
No
Impossible
Crazy tho how fast that gpu is
Even if it costs more than my entire build
odd siren
The success of the mod sort of shows what may have been the problem with navi 31 that the twitter leakers were harping on about
You have a card that's trying to scale with some mad power demand that they put a cork on for the sake of keeping the numbers within sanity
oak rivet
soo 600w 4090 competitor could have been a thing
odd siren
Potentially yes, that's what this test is demonstrating
If they had done better with N31 that could've indeed been a thing
oak rivet
but this just indicates how inferior the arch is in terms of efficiency and fps per watt
odd siren
Sure, but that's just one of a couple reasons they may have capped it
RDNA3 isn't efficient, I'd be one of the first to admit that
however, a card like this running within breathing distance of a 4090 for hundreds less? That would've been amazing to see
Would've been a real underdog win for AMD
Which promotes mindshare and price wars
That was the goal of the 6900XT
oak rivet
the 4090 actually drives some of the 3060 and 4070ti sales lol
odd siren
Eh, I would put that a long way from calling it the main factor
More like people don't understand AMD
We get people in here all the time (especially lately) saying they need an i7
Ask them "why"
They say cos this game xx needs an i7 or i9
And they'll pick a 9900K
When a 12400F claps it
I would attribute it far more to people just plain not knowing what half the pc parts mean, especially with the way Nvidia takes a front seat with it's marketing
oak rivet
if i see that john guy his 9900k does a not bad job wit the 4090 tbh
odd siren
No you don't understand lol
They'll grab a 9900K for like 700$ new
When a 12400f is the same performance for 180-ish
And then put a 3060 in the system
They'll stick a noctua u12s on said volcano of a cpu
Then a 600W thermaltake smart
odd siren
Vengeance rgb ram and a mobo way expensive
odd siren
where would the 9900k place here
The 12400f is even better than I remember
Just goes to show
But the sad thing about this XTX test is the benefit is far outweighed by the problem
odd siren
The success of the mod sort of shows what may have been the problem with navi 31...
Back to this
The card was drawing like, 700+W to do those clocks 💀
oak rivet
if it performed like the 4090 at 600$ less amd probably would have took a lot of mindshare
odd siren
This appears to be the Navi 31 issue
It could scale to the speed but at ridiculous power draw
RDNA3 is already well above the good side of the curve out of the box
oak rivet
can the ref cooler handle it if they did decide to put 700w in it to match a 4090
odd siren
Ofc not
Not a chance in hell
This was done on water
But with the temps they're getting on water? Maybe??
Awful lot of power and kinda sketch
I'd be worried about the pcb temps as much as the core in that state
BUT, let's say you could manage it through a suite of benchmarks like that, the results would probably be very cool
If only for the science of 'what if...?'
oak rivet
man the 4070ti is such a nice card
but for the price it really could use a bit more vram
oak rivet
they tried their absolute best we only use it for 1440p or lower
odd siren
3060 was marketed to both gamers and miners
Now that the boom is over they've replaced the 12gb with the 8gb
oak rivet
and the perf is also down to 2060super level
odd siren
That's typical nvidia scummy tactics tho
It's really a 3050ti
They're using the 3060 name to ride the coattails of the better card
And they can get away with that as it's not a regulated thing
odd siren
Mhm
And one's horribly worse than the other
But people will buy it thinking they're buying the performance of the 12gb
This is why you want Intel in the space, it'll break the duopoly and stop Nvidia (and all the same AMD) from pulling nasty anti-consumer stuff like that
oak rivet
fixing the frametime graph really should be their next focus ig
you can have high fps figures but game would feel horrible
also the arc card did not gain much fps by dropping down to medium from ultra like the amd card did
odd siren
Next-gen arc could be anywhere from better to worse but at least it's usable now for daily
normal hawk
The price is also nice
oak rivet
If only the 6650xt did not exist
oak rivet
I hate that native taa is so bad that even with good enough fps upscaling is better
The fps gain is just a cherry on top at this point
hoary igloo
Next-gen arc could be anywhere from better to worse but at least it's usable now...
wym daily
livid idol
Daily meaning you can use it in your home computer and it'll work in the broad majority of games you play
(just don't overclock it)
hoary igloo
shouldnt all gpus be daily?
its different if were talking ab cars but it doesnt make sense to only use a $1k gpu for certain situations
odd siren
wym daily
Daily as in good enough that we can suggest it to certain people as acceptable to use
Early on these intel cards were halfway unusable
Just flat out refuse to work with certain things
heady turtle
When people say daily they mean something you can set it and forget it, whereas not daily would be something that you'll want/need to tinker with usually
hoary igloo
ohhhh
odd siren
They're a long way from perfect even now but it's in a usable state yeah
hoary igloo
i kinda get it
heady turtle
Arc cards just aren't at the point of stability yet with their drivers compared to amd or Nvidia, don't get me wrong they're improving fast but right now there's still problems
odd siren
Also plenty of big business and research buy 1K+ cards specifically to do one thing btw lol
hoary igloo
i thought u meant like switch out gpus when u play games i was confused
odd siren
Is ok
hoary igloo
Also plenty of big business and research buy 1K+ cards specifically to do one th...
ik but that's buisnesses im talking ab the average person
odd siren
Eh, I mean, miners were a thing lol
But yeah, at what, $239? The A750 is kinda tempting if you know what you're getting into
It has better $/fps value over even AMD atm but it just comes with that usability caveat
odd siren
Yeah, an A750 is like, around 3060 Ti-ish, RX 6700 level
hoary igloo
ah
odd siren
Whereas a 3060 starts at like 350, and a 6600 is around 229
Which sorta tells you where the card lands
hoary igloo
i got a rx6600 coming today
odd siren
6600 is a good card tbh
hoary igloo
i got it for 240+ tax with the last of us
odd siren
Nice
hoary igloo
6600 is a good card tbh
ive heard, im upgrading from a 1060 6gb
hoary igloo
not sure if i should keep or sell it
because i do want a r5 5600x rn since its on sale plus i get paid tmrw
hoary igloo
its $148 on amazon
odd siren
That's not bad
odd siren
Double check the 5600 price
hoary igloo
$139 $10 difference not much
hoary igloo
mb 5600x is $158 but still
odd siren
Oh $20? Def 5600
hoary igloo
no ik but i have a b450 motherboard
odd siren
Oh
hoary igloo
i need a 550
odd siren
I'm not sure about the board but a bios update should get the 5600 to run
hoary igloo
yeah fs
odd siren
You should double check that
5600 is much newer than 5600X* so it's not a guarantee it's supported
hoary igloo
i did my mobo says it i still have the box
odd siren
On the website yes?
hoary igloo
yeah
cyan vault
How good value is the 4070 TI actually 🤔 I've seen a lot of people hating on nvidia for it(rightfully) but is it actually worth it?
odd siren
In the current market it's ok
cyan vault
Cause for that $800-$1000 I don't know which is actually the best card
odd siren
The cheapest
No 4070ti is any more valuable than another
They're all overbuilt to buggery
Were it me? I'd pick 7900XT tho
800 for 7900XT is somewhat decent actually
Would be very attractive at 750
You get a vram advantage and it's somewhat faster than the 4070Ti
cyan vault
It isn't even that far behind in ray tracing right?
cyan vault
I saw a few benchmarks where it kinda swung either way but I have no actual idea
odd siren
The only two reasons I'd advise against it is VR or blender
And even then it's not a total deal-breaker imo
cyan vault
And for 7900XT does model matter?
odd siren
Again, cheapest
It matters even less for rdna3 they all have the same pcb design
Some coolers are a little better but the 799 Asrock model is really good
cyan vault
Out of stock 
fringe scroll
That chart doesn't even include the a750
oak rivet
ofc its gonna be better then a a770 lol
fringe scroll
What?
oak rivet
if the a770 cant match a 3060ti or 6700 what makes someone think a a750 can
its only worse from there
fringe scroll
Okay but like
Wouldn't it be better to show a chart with the gpu that you're talking about lol
oak rivet
yeah its not a 6700 lol matching a 6600 at best
odd siren
Ahhh, ypu know what, for the time I put into this, it's not worth it
Sorry, I remembered wrong
But I don't even care, I put way too much time into trying to help people that I'm not even gonna take it back
I'm not gonna sit down and fact check every single message, I gave up on that some time ago and as a result, I feel much better as a person
But really whatever, sorry @oak rivet
Want me to change? Try and beat me at my own game
oak rivet
It doesn't meet the perf target of a 3060ti or 6700 that's all I am saying
fringe scroll
Its way cheaper lol
odd siren
No stop Danny
fringe scroll
K
oak rivet
Yes but it's competing with the 6600xt and 3060 in terms of perf 👌
odd siren
I don't see the point at taking stabs at my info all the time Safi. Stop dodging my question
And?
I have overlooked this for months
And tried to be nothing short of helpful, you know exactly what I'm talking about.
That's what I thought.
You know what you're doing
oak rivet
OK man its a 3060tish rx 6700 level 👍
odd siren
Idc about the gpu crap
fringe scroll
odd siren
I really don't care for this anymore lol
Cultists can clearly take their fun in this and take more snaps cos there's only one place that uses TT I think anywhere
Like really, what a joke
This is so hilariously out of proportion and idc
fringe scroll
solemn panther
hoary igloo
r yall srsly arguing over what gpu is faster and cheaper☠️
odd siren
I ain't, don't worry about it
Lol
Might look weird ig for a 3rd person perspective 💀
oak rivet
you can have a discussion without a argument imo
hoary igloo
fr
fringe scroll
Might look weird ig for a 3rd person perspective 💀
A bit haha
spare relic
Gt730 is fastest and cheapest
Gaming takes too much time, so get gt730 and forget about all that
oak rivet
puts things into perspective where all the relevant gpus are falling in which tiers in terms of rt or raster
keen nacelle
I'm with Felix here
spare relic
I'm with myself of course
heady turtle
I'm with Felix here
Sus on a not Tuesday smh
keen nacelle
Sus on a not Tuesday smh
Im queer it's meant to be gay
heady turtle
Im queer it's meant to be gay
Touche
solemn panther
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html
orchid loom
thats it we all buying intel gpus
lone pond
all two million of them
ivory herald
cpu at 100% is like a 90yr old in a sauna, gpu at 100% is forest gump jogging a few blocks. 
normal hawk
Can't wait to get an 8k screen and to try running Elysium on that
I'm still trying to figure out if a 7900 XT/XTX would be worth it for 4k gaming.
Will I play other games? I dunno, but my 3080 ti wishes I'd give it a break
heady turtle
Gpu at 100% is gpu bound 🤦♂️
heady turtle
I'm still trying to figure out if a 7900 XT/XTX would be worth it for 4k gaming....
Xt is just a bit better than 3090/3080ti, so not really worth in your case although the xtx would be
heady turtle
Lol why would you buy a 3060 at least a new one anyway
spare relic
Does the 40 series have a 50 sku lol
heady turtle
It does there's 4050 laptop, no word on lower end desktop gpus yet tho
heady turtle
Although the 4050 laptops are like 1k
spare relic
Lol
heady turtle
Probably in like September
spare relic
Last time I thought about building a computer my thought for what I would use would be a 3060 and a 10400
I forget how long ago that was
Would I just adjust to current times and go 4060 and 13400 lol
heady turtle
Inb4 4060 is 500$ 3070 but wItH bEtTeR rAy tRaCiNg
spare relic
oak rivet
Inb4 4060 is 500$ 3070 but wItH bEtTeR rAy tRaCiNg
40 series dont even show any sign of better rt
its line with the raster perf
Portal rtx is like the only exception
fading glacier
40 series dont even show any sign of better rt
beg you pardon?
fringe scroll
💀💀💀
cosmic bluff
I just wanna see some improvements to Intel's dgpu drivers so I can do myself an Intel vr pc
heady turtle
Don't hold your breath on their vr
cosmic bluff
I'm not expecting much just expecting about a gtx1070 to about a gtx1080 performance wise when in vr
heady turtle
I'm not expecting much just expecting about a gtx1070 to about a gtx1080 perform...
Can't tell if you're being serious? Have you seen the ltt arc challenge 👀
cosmic bluff
Actually haven't caught up with that till i hear about drivers being cleaned up more
heady turtle
The conclusion should tldr it for you
https://youtu.be/j6kde-sXlKg
Basically vr didn't even work til Linus got a beta driver even then was not good
vital oriole
lol
fringe scroll
The conclusion should tldr it for you
https://youtu.be/j6kde-sXlKg
Hence "I want to see some improvements"
heady turtle
Hence "I want to see some improvements"
Some is uh generous in terms of their vr support, in their raster u agree with some but man their vr barely works
cosmic bluff
I'll wait till it becomes more vr appealing
umbral granite
I've asked this before, but is a 4070ti still a good upgrade from a 3070 for 1440p?
velvet grail
Is there any way I can determine when my GPU frequency drops? I can't figure out the temperatures where it drops 15mhz, on other cards I've seen past 50°C for every 5 degrees it drops by 15mhz, but my gigabyte 2080 drops like 53, 58, 62, 65,...
Maybe it drops based on some sensor that's not the same as the one reported by afterburner or hwinfo (core temp)
oak rivet
I've asked this before, but is a 4070ti still a good upgrade from a 3070 for 144...
It's a satisfying upgrade indeed specially at that res
hot bough
I've asked this before, but is a 4070ti still a good upgrade from a 3070 for 144...
Yes, definitely.
oak rivet
Is there any way I can determine when my GPU frequency drops? I can't figure out...
you tried testing how much difference it has on your performance [fps]
velvet grail
That's not the point, what I'd like to know is how many degrees it takes (past 50C) to drop the freq by 15 each time, cuz I see it drop at the temperatures I listed above and it doesn't make much sense cuz it's not like every 5C, it ranges from 3 to 6C, this is what I want to know, if there is some what to see how the card is set to drop it's frequency
Maybe it is related to the voltage but that'd be odd and I think no card drops the frequency based off wattage
livid idol
That's not the point, what I'd like to know is how many degrees it takes (past 5...
Run furmark and set your fans to a static speed so you can control the temperature. You can make adjustments while it's still running.
idle idol
is 105 degrees Celsius normal for a 3070 Hotspot?
random zinc
is there any way to lower temps on the asus gtx 1660 super phenix i was think about buying a aftermarket heatsink bc the one it came with it sucks
fringe scroll
Honestly just try repasting and dif fan curves
random zinc
Honestly just try repasting and dif fan curves
i did like it still sits around 85c when gaming
random zinc
so im thinking if i can switch teh heat sink or not
fringe scroll
Cpu heatsink on the 1660🗿
vital oriole
85c is fine
random zinc
85c is fine
it gets loud
vital oriole
yeah that's one fan life for ya
random zinc
yeah that's one fan life for ya
i guess im moving to alaska
vital oriole
maybe zip tie a fan on top of it lol
fringe scroll
Mmm yes
random zinc
maybe zip tie a fan on top of it lol
i have a 20000~rpm air blower
fringe scroll
When I was using a 1080 I was easily hitting 80s with the small twin fan zotac mini lol
odd siren
@idle idol yeah that definitely would benefit from a repaste
Remember to cover the whole die, the pea dot method or cross method can damage a gpu die by exposing parts of it, it's not like a CPU repaste
idle idol
so a small line on the GPU die?
vital oriole
huh
odd siren
Spread it across, don't miss a spot
odd siren
Yeah cos it's not like an IHS
vital oriole
so it's the same for cpu then
odd siren
A cpu's ihs spreads the heat already
vital oriole
laptop cpu has no ihs either
odd siren
Whereas a gpu die doesn't have one
Ya you should cover laptop cpus and gpus as well
Cos no coverage > heat doesn't shift > that part of the die becomes extremely hot > dies
vital oriole
well that's dangerous
odd siren
There are some places that validate the line method but I wouldn't trust it as far as I can throw it
odd siren
Line and dot would get you the most coverage but won't fix a hotspot problem
Full cover is just, infallible
And too much paste is a non-existent concept for GPUs
vital oriole
I'll consider another repaste
odd siren
It's a pain to do but it's worth doing
odd siren
And definitely don't do liquid metal
vital oriole
ye
odd siren
Liquid metal works but needs special preparation, and is very dangerous for not much benefit at all
odd siren
Ye, so that will destroy the cooler
vital oriole
which paste you recc for laptops btw?
odd siren
The same as the normal stuff
vital oriole
hm ok
odd siren
NT-H2, GC extreme
Avoid ones that have a low operating temp range
Since laptops are made to run at high temps 24/7
MX4 also good
vital oriole
thank god i didn't kill the laptop with my paste job
just that the temps didn't change
odd siren
I mean everyone you hear from about this stuff are randoms on the internet
vital oriole
tru lol
odd siren
So yeah lol, it comes with the territory
hot bough
What kind of benefit does liquid metal offer in general?
vital oriole
better thermal conductivity
spare relic
You can drink it
vital oriole
and if done correctly with correct surface
spare relic
Mmm yummy
vital oriole
you can do it and forget it
odd siren
What kind of benefit does liquid metal offer in general?
Better temps, but mess up your prep work or the application and you will totally brick whatever you're working on
vital oriole
^
hot bough
Oof.
odd siren
All it takes is a little drop spilt onto anything else but the die and it's just...dead
Cos liquid metal is conductive
So you can bridge two circuits that should never be bridged
hot bough
And you can't just wipe it off?
livid idol
That's why the PS5 has been dying sometimes too, liquid metal flows slowly off the CPU when it's in vertical orientation and shorts things
hot bough
Oof....
livid idol
A machine did those but yeah
LM doesn't belong on from-the-factory computers in general
vital oriole
asus rog laptops has been coming with liquid metal from factory
odd siren
Asus does a good job tho
spare relic
That's why the PS5 has been dying sometimes too, liquid metal flows slowly off t...
PC application tends to be vertical too?
Where does the difference lie
odd siren
Where does the difference lie
There isn't a difference
Same thing happens to some PC's
You truly risk it all
vital oriole
but if you take the cooling assembly apart well
odd siren
livid idol
Where does the difference lie
Proper prep work by an enthusiast would prevent it from flowing off the IHS too much, but yes it does still happen to people long term
vital oriole
that lm application from factory no longer works
spare relic
Do some people see it as a benefit or
odd siren
Yes
spare relic
Interesting
livid idol
It is a benefit in cooling
odd siren
For people who want extreme OC's on their chips or fabulous temperatures
vital oriole
a benefit with lots of tradeoffs
odd siren
It does a lot
livid idol
Laptops and other things with limited cooling capacity need all the help they can get
spare relic
Cooling your ability to have a functioning computer
vital oriole
i guess if you're cleaning the cooling assembly only take the fans off
spare relic
I specifically mean seeing liquid metal shorting your rig as a benefit
vital oriole
to not have to mess with lm
livid idol
GPUs love it too, and they're usually horizontal mounted so less risky. Even if some does flow out, the PCB is above where it is so little risk of shorting.
livid idol
Def more dangerous than a delid
vital oriole
just clean the exceds
hot bough
For best temps without the use of LN some people delid the CPU and use LM together correct?
odd siren
Some people do yes
odd siren
With specific coolers
Others delid and still use paste, OR, relid with a full copper IHS
livid idol
It depends on the generation of CPU, some of them already use LM between the IHS and CPU die iirc
vital oriole
unless you do professional prep like on laptops and ps5
oak rivet
I saw a 7950x getting some good results with lm
hot bough
I can't remember his name but in the BuildAPC group someone did a delid on a 12900ks and used LM with a massive Custom Loop for his CPU.
It was like 4x 420mm rads.
odd siren
Not uncommon at all
livid idol
AM5 benefits a LOT more from a delid than LM
odd siren
For the i9's LM can be quite common for OC
vital oriole
am5 has thick as hell ihs
hot bough
His temps and oc abilities were crazy.
vital oriole
to accommodate am4 coolers
odd siren
Ya cos you can run higher voltage at still nice temps
livid idol
Lapping AM5 is good too, you can shave off quite a bit
vital oriole
it's jank af but amd trying to make upgrade process seamless
hot bough
How hard would a delid be?
vital oriole
"here your am4 system is old now, just buy ddr5, am5 board and am5 cpu. keep using your existing cooler, it works here too"
hot bough
On AM5.
odd siren
How hard would a delid be?
Easy but also easy to screw up
hot bough
Because I might consider a delid if it's not to hard.
livid idol
There's some risk of damage but if you follow the instructions it's small
livid idol
Lapping is much safer
odd siren
You got to delid, carefully scrape off the stim, get a direct die mount and special direct die block
livid idol
TG has a lapping tool too
odd siren
Whereas lapping gets better results without any of the special work
vital oriole
lapping simply makes the ihs nice and smooth
for maximum contact between the TIM and cooler
odd siren
Just also btw @hot bough , doing any of this will hurt the resale value of the cpu
vital oriole
much safer and simpler
odd siren
And goodbye warranty
livid idol
And goodbye warranty
Wasn't that the thumbnail for the J2C vid on it?
odd siren
If also this is for any of the X3D chips don't even bother
7950X3D doesn't pull enough power to make it worth it
livid idol
odd siren
Regular zen 4 benefits, zen 4 x3d not really at all
13th gen def benefits from lap or delid
So does 12th gen
vital oriole
I think some cpus has ihs welded onto the cpu
odd siren
Ah ok
oak rivet
"here your am4 system is old now, just buy ddr5, am5 board and am5 cpu. keep usi...
Platform that grows with you
hot bough
Better for workstation use and both are overkill for gaming already so that's not a concern.
vital oriole
Platform that grows with you
and expenses that grows with you from needing to upgrade again and again
aah, ryzen life
oak rivet
Or you can pull a 1600 to 5600
hot bough
So lapping yields the same benefits without the same risk.
vital oriole
are we gonna forget how amd prevented that fron happening once?
odd siren
Without the risk
vital oriole
X370 boards were not allowed by AMD to have 5000 series support
But then they backtracked on it after asrock proved them wrong
odd siren
Hey man some would be
vital oriole
Are we gonna let this slide easily and let history repeat lol
hot bough
I am a bit of a tech hoarder.
vital oriole
Buying promises from big companies is wishful thinking
AMD isn't our friend, they exist to make profit
odd siren
In this wide wide world everyone has their own preferences I'm just noting it as an fyi
🙂
oak rivet
Support will be there till 2025
vital oriole
I mean Intel is far from good, but at least they make it clear with things
Yeah, and it's uncertain lol
oak rivet
Rpl owners have to change their board
vital oriole
X370 incident is likely to happen again
Yeah and you will have to change the board cause amd deems your first gen am5 board to be too old
If history ever repeats
oak rivet
But that didn't pull through and you can do a 1600 to 5600
vital oriole
Still doesn't change how amd will do anything to stop that
Even if it means eventually failing
livid idol
Which is why I would only consider second gen AM5 boards, since X470 always had full support of everything
vital oriole
^
oak rivet
Comet lake was the worst investment of my life after seeing how am4 turned out
vital oriole
It's not that I'm against amd, but atm it is too early to buy into am5
oak rivet
Buyers remorse
livid idol
It could be worse, you could have invested in Meteor Lake (next gen)
vital oriole
lmao
hot bough
Lapping is just taking some high grit sand paper and smoothing the ihs correct?
livid idol
It could be worse, you could have invested in Meteor Lake (next gen)
6p8e 14700k, and no i9 
hot bough
So ai should check if the CPU works first before I attempt a lapping then?
livid idol
Yep
vital oriole
that's odd
hot bough
Yeah Meteor lake is looking like a massive failure so far.
livid idol
They're struggling with their chiplets... I mean, tiles
hot bough
It's falling down to earth.
vital oriole
oof
hot bough
Like a meteor.
vital oriole
AMD isn't giving us very good things
oak rivet
I see no meteor lake leaks dk where its coming from tho
vital oriole
while Intel is looking to mess up
it's that age again
at least for a generation, i hope
hot bough
I wonder what a 5090 would be like.
oak rivet
In the US there is a good thing going on with the 7600 and ds3h 300$ combo
hot bough
So put aside at least 2 grand then?
oak rivet
Mlid?
vital oriole
So put aside at least 2 grand then?
not really for the top end
but expensive as in poor pricing for lower tiers
hot bough
Oh okay.
hot bough
My plan is to start collecting all the 90 series cards after the 4090.
Slowly but surely.
livid idol
oak rivet
I will take the info with a ton of salt then
vital oriole
next gen dlss is supposedly going to absolutely annihilate dlss 3 too
livid idol
Yes please do, it's a very early leak but the blue does indicate he feels the source is reliable
vital oriole
and any games with dlss 3 will automatically be updated to support dlss 4
oak rivet
I never thought the text colour meant anything
livid idol
Yeah he color codes it all
vital oriole
7% of the actual rendering is done by gpu
the rest is dlss 4 doing the work
you can imagine the gains with it lol
probably gonna be janky at launch
knowing how dlss 3 went
oak rivet
Also mlid predicted this
livid idol
For Intel, white is unverified/potentially inaccurate info, light blue is fairly confident, dark blue is very confident. AMD is the same with red.
oak rivet
Also the public sentimentality towards current dlss 2
vital oriole
dlss is pretty good so yeah
livid idol
Yeah he's not always right but I don't see anyone else talking about these things
Like I said, salt is fine to take
oak rivet
Intel ramps up the game adoption rate like Nvidia does that xess line probably will grow a lot aswell
limber flax
https://youtu.be/ykYm6uVYTnQ
Intel got the money, they'll cruise through it lol
livid idol
Yeah they'll be fine but it'll hurt
limber flax
Absolutely lol
livid idol
Between that and Arc, investors are not happy
livid idol
Right sapphire rapids... Too little too late
livid idol
AI processing yeah
livid idol
And even then it only matches epyc in a lot of those specialized AI tasks
Should have launched it a year ago if not more
limber flax
They really mistimed this release
wicked hound
@mighty island So I finally did a simple Ada spec to perf chart in reference to 4090 non Ti cuz no 4090Ti data yet. 4060Ti prolly going to be near-ish to 34% of 4090Ti which is easy XX50 tier. Im scared for 4050 man.
Slight update: #graphics-cards message
Mem/Core Ratio allows one to put more weight on either core or mem spec percentage when calcing average spec percentage. I put less emphasis on mem cuz more cache, but it's kinda a BS value without lots of testing which I cant really do easily (ideally would need Ada cards in hand so I can set mem clocks to whatever I want for mem scaling on all cards). That said, doesnt change values a whole lot.
oak rivet
someones estimation where the perf of the cards will lie at
keep in mind that is 4k guessing
the 4070 and below are stepping into the upperend 1080p perf
nocturne nest
Are there any major performance differences between these two?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/125824878938?
oak rivet
The pny card should boost a bit higher out of the box but shouldn't be anything noticeable
wicked hound
someones estimation where the perf of the cards will lie at
Hm, yeah that seems a bit more accurate then my first chart. Should've prolly set a zero'd Y intercept on my chart, else I have the 4060Ti perfing near exactly like a 3060Ti which is unlikely. My new chart should be a bit more accurate then my previous chart and is actually almost exactly the same as that chart.
heady turtle
someones estimation where the perf of the cards will lie at
If they release another 3060 and don't price it at like 180$ im throwing hands
heady turtle
Are there any major performance differences between these two?
https://www.ebay....
The cooler, and sometimes the stock power limit but usually something that you won't see an effect on, just grab the cheaper
oak rivet
If they release another 3060 and don't price it at like 180$ im throwing hands
Same
3060 at 180$ sounds super tempting tho ngl
heady turtle
I'd just be made if they called it 4060 and not 4050/ti
livid idol
Considering the 4080 fiasco...
Even calling it a 4070 ti is a stretch
Hopefully Nvidia doesn't try that again after that backlash but I wouldn't put it past them
heady turtle
Inb4 4060 8gb and 4060 12gb
nocturne nest
The cooler, and sometimes the stock power limit but usually something that you w...
Alr thanks
heady turtle
Np
mighty island
<@122901618369757184> So I finally did a simple Ada spec to perf chart in refere...
wdym? 4050 will be a great 1050ti competitor
for only $400
wicked hound
Inb4 4060 8gb and 4060 12gb <:kekw:741678350791081994>
Assuming 4060Ti is 8GB on 128bit, that would be the most cursed thing ever cuz would need 192bit for 12GB (thus 4060 is higher end). The 4060 going to be 96/128bit which is 3/4 ICs. So basically all the options will be 3GB, 4GB, 6GB, and 8GB. Going to be hard to say on whether they want to become an even greater meme with 4060-6GB. That said I do assume it'll be same as 4060Ti cuz idk if Nvidia would become such a meme.
solid glacier
Whats the Best nvme drive
keen nacelle
Whats the Best nvme drive
For gaming, 4k video transfer, in general, best price/perf, what
solid glacier
For gaming, 4k video transfer, in general, best price/perf, what
Gaming
keen nacelle
There's plenty of options, beyond a certain point there's basically no difference
Right now 670p, a60, mp33, mp34 and sn770 are all nicely priced
sonic mural
A60/mp33 are great for value, they handle well with games
keen nacelle
I'd go 670p 2tb at $80 rn
cerulean rover
?
solid glacier
Whats the best one for like 250
sonic mural
250 what?
solid glacier
usd
solid glacier
That a fast ssd>
keen nacelle
Yes, but sequential speeds are near irrelevant for gaming
sonic mural
if you really wanted to blow $250 on a ssd just because and you dont really care about value, theres always the 990 pro
altho that had lifespan concerns at one point
not sure if that was a glitch or what
cerulean rover
The best SSD depends on the metric in the end
solid glacier
I have a HDD rn a hard drive but i wanna get another SSD for im nott putting my games on my HDD naymore loll
cerulean rover
Sn850x has better sustained, 990 pro best random read, P41 best efficiency
solid glacier
this si waht im rocking
this is what i should get or?
Also im on 1440p gaming
Im looking to spend under 100$
actually
not 250 loll
this good
cerulean rover
2tb P41 plus is 110$ if you can spend a bit more
cerulean rover
Probably, but P41 plus is the straight up upgrade
keen nacelle
Yeah true, tho at that point I think I'd go for sn770 at $120
Or p5 plus if it's still on sale
cerulean rover
Maybe
solid glacier
I'd just get the 2tb 670p
I don’t really need 2TB
solid glacier
oh okay
limber flax
Or p5 plus if it's still on sale
Eh, p5 plus once you run out of cache slows way down to 100Mbps
Cache depends entirely on how much free space is on the drive too
ebon parcel
Is the mid 80s to lower 90s too high of a temp for a 1080 ti? I got this thing called hwmonitor and in that window it lists something called hot spot that apparently peaked at 101 at some point (space above it was I guess overall temperature and that peaked at like 89?)
heady turtle
That's too hot unless you're reading in farenheit for some ungodly reason
Anything above about 83 i think and you're throttling
cyan vault
For a 7900XT; is it normal for memory junction temps to be so high? Under gaming with slight overclocks I'm reaching 90C... hot spot and normal GPU are 65 and 75-80ish respectively
It seems super high but I have no clue how it works so
And memory junction idles over 65C which seems high for doing nothing
cyan vault
odd siren
Ah
Is fine
On the warm side ye but is fine
The hotspot that you should watch for is GCD
That's the hottest part of the card usually
That one you want sub 100
odd siren
What you think of it so far?
cyan vault
7900 XT is a beast especially at it's size
And while normal gaming in any game besides like cyberpunk, almost dead silent
odd siren
Had any other issues?