As with any review channel it's divisive by audience tho
#graphics-cards
odd siren
wicked hound
Why would outliers help? They're outliers
Outliers are games that are bound by Y component during a test of X component, or optimized for Z vendor. If you take average perf and then look to see if the game one wishes to play is an "outlier", then you know it deviates from average perf. This ultimately gets you info on what to recommend for a desired experience.
fading glacier
lol doom eternal is one of the top... no use, eternal is extremely well optimized on vulcan... you can hit 400+ fps with ease
wicked hound
lol doom eternal is one of the top... no use, eternal is extremely well optimize...
For average perf differences not so much, doesnt seem to be easily non-GPU bound.
For experience kinda yeah. Tho would be nice to know min GPU for FHD/QHD/UHD max settings 60/144 FPS
fading glacier
that could be a good benchmark
because everything above 300+ fps is pointless on high end gpus (on those games like doom).... better to bench which is the minimum gpu required to hit max settings 90 fps on those resolutions (60 is kinda meh)
everytime i see a benchmarked game above 300fps im like... why?
on the other hand benchs like cp77 are nice to see, that game kicks hard every gpu known to man
wicked hound
Tho experience tests are a lot of work tbf. Personally smth I do is making sure I dont fall below an average FPS during a certain action (ex: CP I try to make sure settings are done so I very rarely drop below 70FPS average, but average across entire gameplay session would be 100fps+). That takes even more testing and analyzing.
fading glacier
those sweet 1% lows
fading glacier
:S
oak rivet
plague tale requiem would be a good addition there
as that game is much more gpu bound then cyberpunk is
wicked hound
I havent looked at any proper PT tests yet, but PT is an outlier based on Nvidia's first party testing.
Bound to some specific GPU thing, iirc even beats synthetics in GPU perf differences
oak rivet
Well yes Nvidia counterparts have a bit of an upper hand
fading glacier
yeah, i saw some bench on plague tale... the game is pretty demanding
tomb raider is slowly becoming an old game by now
oak rivet
fading glacier
and that is?
oak rivet
Requiem
fading glacier
holly molly batman
wicked hound
Back to my old first party/leaked datasheet cuz Im lazy for finding good third party tests. PT easily murders synthetics in perf differences.
oak rivet
fading glacier
quite the eye candy
fading glacier
30 fps just crush my heart
normal hawk
Also surprising how much better the series x is compared to ps5
I mean Xbox has like 20 more RDNA2 CU's and a slightly higher clock speed for the Cpu. So it will eventually be expected to just perform better at some point.
distant adder
this is my current build https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4tVgH2
ill get a 3060, tho 3060ti is like 130usd more. is it worth it to get the ti one?
btw i got a 1080p 144hz monitor, ill stick with it for a while
heady turtle
this is my current build https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4tVgH2
ill get a 3060, th...
It's equivalent to a 3060 ti but good bit cheaper
Also yes it's about 25% better
Than the 3060
distant adder
hmm I kinda prefer nvidia over amd, might just go with the 3060. thanks tho
also should buy it now or wait for some discounts or smth?
heady turtle
🤷
I'd grab a 3060 ti then although no real reason too over amd
That's a nice price
distant adder
interesting 
odd siren
So nvidia themselves have suggest all roughly 50 cases involve a poorly inserted 12vhpwr, but they will honor all the warranties for all of those cards
So they acknowledge the design itself is poor in doing so
livid idol
That has been pointed out since the 3090 ti, the connector requires a lot more force than most are used to in order to get it in. The fix they've suggested to PCI-SIG of shortening the sense pins and disabling the card if they're not connected seems like a good idea to me. A better "click" mechanism would be good too, so you have better feedback on a successful insertion.
odd siren
Indeed to both
I can at least take assurance in that I won't screw that up installing the 4090 later
heady turtle
fading glacier
seems like a queue system
"exclusive member access to our 40 series gpus"
oh yes, it is
and to get access to buy a 4080... why not a 4090?
cerulean rover
and to get access to buy a 4080... why not a 4090?
Last round was 4090
It's like a shuffle
wicked hound
Exclusive access to buy a 4080 that is in stock everywhere
Could even find it at your local pharmacy store given how high the stock is
livid idol
It's like the shuffle yeah but prioritizes people with MSI products already, like when EVGA did the queue.
hollow coral
whats a good sli bridge for rtx 3000 series cards?
fading glacier
sli only good for benchamrking
hollow coral
also just to make Shure the RTX 3060 Ventus 3X 12G OC can do sli right?
fading glacier
no real use today for sli besidead that
hollow coral
for my aplication its worth it
fading glacier
also just to make Shure the RTX 3060 Ventus 3X 12G OC can do sli right?
no
hollow coral
nvm then
fading glacier
sli only on the 3090
hollow coral
what about cross fire?
fading glacier
dead as well
hollow coral
can it do it tho?
fading glacier
on older cards, not worth
newer cards dont need that feature and they are more powerful
hollow coral
but can it do it?
fading glacier
yes, on older cards
hollow coral
so not on a 3060
fading glacier
again, not worth... 2 older cards cant compete with the newest cards
no, 3060 cant do sli
hollow coral
or crossfire?
fading glacier
no
hollow coral
well my computer is more of a server
fading glacier
3060 is not a server-grade gpu
hollow coral
and i alredy have a 3060 that gets split but i wanted a way to have something that is still useful when im using it normaly
im useing aster to run multiple instances of games like minecraft at once and me and my freinds all play on my pc at once
curently only 2 at a time but i was thinking of uping it to 6
which would need more display ports
livid idol
or crossfire?
Crossfire is AMD only
hollow coral
i am using a amd motherboard
sonic mural
Amd GPU
livid idol
Right, but a Nvidia GPU
livid idol
Yes
hollow coral
ok
fading glacier
yeah you dont need sli to add another card for more monitors
severe basin
So yeah the 4080 looks like maybe not the best value...But why is microcenter sitting on so many of them and complaining about sales when bestbuy and newegg have been sold out since launch?
fading glacier
only on site have them in stock
online are all out of stock
bots cant make physicals purchases
severe basin
Yeah but people that live further than 4 hours from a microcenter also can't make physical purchases lol. Checked two different local bestbuys and they aren't getting any physical retail at all.
fading glacier
more like "don't want to" and no "can't" if they really want that card and they know there is physical stock on microcenter then they could find a way to make the trip.... regardless, 4080 is a great card but at a terrible value
best to wait for amd xtx card on december
or the 4070 next year
now that i think on it... the 4070 at 900usd will end as terrible value as well
severe basin
Closest one for me is 4 hours and 9 minutes, I'd have to get a baby sitter, and two tanks of gas to make my way up there to get it. It'd end up being higher than scalped prices lol.
fading glacier
still not a "can't", just a "not worth the time and money"
just get a 3080 and call it a day or a 6900xt
same performance per dollar spent
sad thing that the great features on the 4080 are overshadowed for its price 😦
fading glacier
not only that
oak rivet
Because things like these can be quite subjective
fading glacier
4080 greatest achievement is the efficiency
runs at 300w max, most of the time at 280
less than 3080, 90, 90 ti and much much less than the 4090
with no spikes
and run cooler
oak rivet
Well people have showed time and time again that's not their first concern
fading glacier
while only losing 25% performance against the 4090
to me, thats the greatest achievement of that card.. efficiency
the 4090 cooler on the 4080 and the gddr6x at 24gbps makes the card to run very cool
well... relatively cool
all the benchmarks and reviews show a great card on every aspect.... just badly badly priced
was too hard for nvidia to price it at least at 1k?
severe basin
People have complained about the overbuilt cooler on the 4080 but it runs at like 50°c. That combined with the tdp was actually a big draw for me.
And I've been thinking about a 6900xt as well, they are easier to get... I just got miffed when MLID suggested that 4080s aren't selling when I can't buy one.
fading glacier
you have very few options at this point in the high end
7900xtx on decemebr
or 3080/6900xt
everything below just go used market
4080 good card/bad price and the 4090 at msrp is an unicorn at this point
only way to get one is paying the scalped price
severe basin
Yeah I'm better off just waiting, I know as much, but I didn't want to. Had 4080s in my cart but lost them before I could check out twice. I've been waiting for solid 240fps 1440p on current AAA games for a long time.
severe basin
2080super, 3800x. I can play esports titles at 240fps most of the time
fading glacier
you are fine, yeah just wait
severe basin
But cyberpunk 2077 gets like 50fps, and horizon zero dawn gets like 80. (On max)
fading glacier
maybe february so so
oak rivet
I am maybe an outlier but I really do prefer bigger gpus
fading glacier
me 2
as long as the card is cool i dont mind the size
and to some extent the noise
i have headsets anyway
so meh
loved my 3060ti 3 fans back in the day
oak rivet
I like cranking power and ocing soo can never have enough cooling and power limits
oak rivet
severe basin
The cooler the card runs the better imo
I feel due for a cpu upgrade as well, but the 13600k lost me with the thermals.
fading glacier
yeah, sadly you need to cope with the added price for the overkill heatsink as well
sometimes you dont need a chip that cool if it costs you another kidney
just saying 😛
and thats another failure for the 4080 price... smaller cooler for the tdp trasnlate to a better price.... but no, we get a cooler rated for 600w on a 300w card
severe basin
Yeah. I could always get a 4090 and just underclock it. Especially for the price of some of the 4080s. But I refuse to pay scalper prices for anything, so will wait for retail to stabilize
fading glacier
probably after the ces in january
february most likely
once the 30 series stock shrinks then the 4090 will start to appear in greater numbers
nvidia is making an artificial scarcity
severe basin
What price is 30 series got to hit to make it disappear though. I had the option to buy a used 3090 for $800 but that felt like too much from a price:performance standpoint.
fading glacier
800usd for a 3090 seems reasonable to me
if you can haggle that to 750 it should be perfect
severe basin
Wild to me that 3080ti is still retailing north of $1000
fading glacier
not a good card tho
3080 is 3% slower while being a cooler and less power hungry card
less spikey as well
severe basin
And those are around $600. But I think not a big enough step up from the 2080super
oak rivet
Not having dlss 3 is a bummer for me I want to try it out on my next gpu
fading glacier
maybe next year the 40 series will be more affordable
hasty monolith
im wondering if 6800 not xt version do 4k60 in most games medium settings not counting games like cyberpunk
fading glacier
you can use youtube to see that
oak rivet
Unfortunately not at 4k with decent settings it's not doing 60fps in any remotely demanding game
hasty monolith
Unfortunately not at 4k with decent settings it's not doing 60fps in any remotel...
damn
guess its 6800xt hopefully it wont sell out next week before i buy it. if not i guess i go 6900xt if it does
oak rivet
hasty monolith
thanks
oak rivet
Will fall short of 60fps in demanding titles at 4k like gow
hasty monolith
Will fall short of 60fps in demanding titles at 4k like gow
i probably go 6800xt or 6900xt
oak rivet
At 4k those would be much healthier options
hasty monolith
At 4k those would be much healthier options
i was only want to compare 6800 vs 6800xt for the price to perf at 4k. only way i would get 6900xt would be if 6800xt sell out or dont have amd gaming bundle
hasty monolith
Nice
really looking forward to callisto protocol though dead island 2 got delayed again lol
plus the extra 10-15 percent increase in perf that 6900xt vs 6800xt isnt worth the extra 100-150 usd
oak rivet
The difference is less then that
hasty monolith
The difference is less then that
but close enough
im getting a thermaltake gf1 850w next week is that enough for 6900xt just gaming no gpu overclock maybe ram oc at best @oak rivet
oak rivet
im getting a thermaltake gf1 850w next week is that enough for 6900xt just gamin...
That's more then enough
hasty monolith
That's more then enough
im guessing u have no idea how stock newegg has on 6800xt phantom gaming or the 6900xt version
oak rivet
im guessing u have no idea how stock newegg has on 6800xt phantom gaming or the ...
Check the website and see if it says in stock or not
hasty monolith
Check the website and see if it says in stock or not
thanks
fading finch
have dual monitor setup, one is older monitor, with older connection, the other is about a year old with HDMI cable. just replaced the HDMI cable about 10 days ago, now not working again. Is the video card blowing out the cable? or is it bad just on the one connection? the other monitor is working OK. the new monitor says HDMI connected, but no in put.
livid idol
It's possible the HDMI port is going bad, try jiggling it
fading finch
i have tried unplugging and plugging back in, didn't work
maybe i will try blowing it out
didn't help
livid idol
What model GPU was it? Certain ones are known to go bad more often
fading finch
GIGABYTE GeForce GT 1030 Low Profile 2GB, GV-N1030D5-2GL
fading finch
plugged the HDMI into the other port on the monitor, working now 🙂
solemn panther
It's good to see most people not getting 4000 series cards
livid idol
Yeah, 4080 sales seem pretty bad. I heard some stores ended the first day of sales with more units than they started with. (midday restock)
Disappointment 2022 shirt candidate? Along with Ryzen 7000?
lone pond
Disappointment 2022 shirt candidate? Along with Ryzen 7000?
Can't wait for the Gamers Nexus Video
😭
oak rivet
5800x3d will be in the best release candidate then
fading glacier
12400f king of this year
along with the 5600
x3d is a close second... wasnt that affordable at release like today
smoky elbow
Will there be more RX 6800xt+ stock or have it been discounted ?
heady turtle
6800xt is already fairly discounted, the asrock phantom model is down to like 530$
fading glacier
maybe he meant discontinued
smoky elbow
6800xt is already fairly discounted, the asrock phantom model is down to like 53...
I meant something else over the Asrock moel
It looks ugly but I guess I might end up having it
heady turtle
I couldn't tell you as noone but the seller will know
civic wren
Anyone got a recommendation for a 3070
Trying to get a better gpu before I get my index
I think a 3070 would be good for it
Idk if a 3060 would undercut it too much
random walrus
Idk if a 3060 would undercut it too much
3060 would probably be fine but 3060ti/6700xt are much better value
3070 would work well, model doesn't matter too much, just stay away from the MSI Ventus
proper talon
maybe a bad idea (but idk) but i just went and bought a 3060ti (from a 2060) bc Newegg is far cheaper than any UK stores... and free shipping
tempting to go 3070 but a fair bit more and questionable on the PSU and is about £200 extra than the ti
3060 didnt seem like a worthy upgrade
cerulean rover
Do keep in mind you might have to pay vat for import
uncut glade
Hey I've been looking and what is the point in overclocking? In pretty much any game I throw at this card I am already hitting smooth frames, so wouldn't overclocking just degrading the card faster?
cerulean rover
Overclocking is more for fun than anything else, don't go for it if you only want to get performance
uncut glade
I mean what else can I get from overclocking?
wicked hound
Depending on your card, cooling, type of workload, internal bottleneck of GPU, etc one can gain a decent perf boost from OCing. For example the 4090 is heavily limited by memory bandwidth at high occupancy workloads and a good memory OC can really help with said workloads.
Many games with high occupancy workloads (UHD, UW-QHD, high settings, etc) will see a decent bit of scaling similar to this.
sonic bluff
i don’t really know too much about gpus, but i’m wondering what makes a 8gb 3070 better than a 12gb 3060ti?
cerulean rover
i don’t really know too much about gpus, but i’m wondering what makes a 8gb 3070...
I'm assuming you're talking about 3060ti 8gb, pure spec wise, 3070 has 5888 shader units, 3060ti has 4864 shader units.
wicked hound
First off before I respond, are you talking about the 3060Ti 8GB or 3060 12GB?
wicked hound
I'm assuming you're talking about 3060ti 8gb, pure spec wise, 3070 has 5888 shad...
Am doing a slightly bigger writeup about specs.
cerulean rover
Aight
In terms of "bigger number better" mentality, it's simplest to look at shader units count imo
wicked hound
i don’t really know too much about gpus, but i’m wondering what makes a 8gb 3070...
More SMs (each SM has four SMSPs, an L1 cache module, and a RT core. Each SMSP has "32" CUDA "cores" and a Tensor core), More L2 cache, Higher memory bandwidth (if 3060 non Ti, 3060Ti has same memory bandwidth. 3060Ti/3070 has a larger memory BUS and lower memory clocks but not low enough to make up for the BUS width difference), about same core clock (combined with more SMs means more performance from the die, think of it kinda like Perf from Core = SM x Core Clock [That is an example, it is not accurate at all so do not use it for actual performance references]), and a higher power limit (more SMs at same or higher clocks require more power).
wicked hound
In terms of "bigger number better" mentality, it's simplest to look at shader un...
Yeah, but I went into bit more detail on what numbers are bigger.
dusk socket
Has anyone here undervolted the 4090 suprim liquid?
odd siren
Barely anyone here has a 4090 let alone suprim liquid lol
dusk socket
fr? did not know that
odd siren
I don't know anyone in here with a suprim liquid
There's a suprim x sitting on my desk waiting to be installed but not a liquid one
That's probably as close as you'll get rn lol
livid idol
I mean what else can I get from overclocking?
Endorphins from making big number go up
sonic bluff
First off before I respond, are you talking about the 3060Ti 8GB or 3060 12GB?
sorry for the late response, i did mean 3060 12gb
sonic bluff
More SMs (each SM has four SMSPs, an L1 cache module, and a RT core. Each SMSP h...
thanks a lot for the explanation :)))
smoky elbow
6800xt is already fairly discounted, the asrock phantom model is down to like 53...
Out of stock
Why isn't the Gigabyte version getting discounted
Its literaly more expensive than a 6950xt
Also where can I get a Sapphire nitro+ 6800xt ? for reasonable price
heady turtle
Out of stock
Here's the next cheapest
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VDRYcf/sonnet-technologies-radeon-rx-6800-xt-16-gb-video-card-s-rx6800xt-16g
smoky elbow
Here's the next cheapest
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VDRYcf/sonnet-technol...
I don't live in The US
odd siren
Where do you live
odd siren
Also what specific psu do you have in your system
smoky elbow
Also what specific psu do you have in your system
Currently none but planning for 850+ watt
heady turtle
You should probably preference that then lol
smoky elbow
You should probably preference that then lol
Will it get in stock or am I better going for 6800
smoky elbow
Do you have a budget?
no
heady turtle
Will it get in stock or am I better going for 6800
I have no idea
smoky elbow
I have no idea
Can oc 6800 get 6800xt performance ?
smoky elbow
So name the price and it's fine? Lol
1500$ ?
odd siren
Yes and no
smoky elbow
for the important stuff
odd siren
1500$ for the whole system or just the gpu and psu?
smoky elbow
1500$ for the whole system or just the gpu and psu?
cpu mobo ram gpu storage
smoky elbow
and monitor
smoky elbow
I remember this from our last SA guest lol
u can go lil over 1500$
i somehow got 2000$+ in my cart
odd siren
I'll see how good I can do for 1500 and 2000
Interested in this list
You could get some decent bang for the buck out of this one
Oh right monitor brb
And the cooler oops
Don't do that one 
smoky elbow
<@788742396648882186> this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FdQTRv
That's cool but I prefer AMD Ryzen
Also I'm looking for 4K monitor (M28U)
odd siren
Ryzen is slower for the money unless X3D which isn't really worth it unless you already have been on AM4
Pecking order goes like this
13th>5800X3D>7000>12th>5000
odd siren
Also I'm looking for 4K monitor (M28U)
Also you can do that monitor if you want just don't expect 144 fps in most use cases
6900XT is more like a 4K60 card not a 4K144
smoky elbow
Pecking order goes like this
13th>5800X3D>7000>12th>5000
i5 12600k is much higher than 5600, Motherboard prices for AM4 is also cheaper
Also does Intel cpu's have resizeable bar
odd siren
No ignore the 12600K list I buggered that one up
odd siren
<@788742396648882186> this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FdQTRv
Look at this one
All new cpus have resize bar
smoky elbow
All new cpus have resize bar
Isn't SAM better than resizeable bar
smoky elbow
Also I'm going for 4k cpu doesn't matter much
heady turtle
You don't want to play 4k on anything less than a 3090 ti imo
I would just recommend 1440p
heady turtle
Absolute minimum yeah
odd siren
4K144 is 4090 territory
smoky elbow
You don't want to play 4k on anything less than a 3090 ti imo
I don't play much games and I'm fine with high settings
odd siren
I don't play much games and I'm fine with high settings
We're not implying max settings
Lol
6900XT is much better at 1440p
smoky elbow
Also 4k monitors are like 500$
Yeah but I plan to upgrade the gpu on the future
Maybe 7800xt or the newer gen
odd siren
At 28" you'll have to have some rather miraculous eyes to tell the difference between 1440p and 4K
Ppi is so thick you can barely tell as a normal person
heady turtle
Still 4k monitors cost way more and you'd want it to be at least a 32" one
smoky elbow
Still 4k monitors cost way more and you'd want it to be at least a 32" one
There's M32U ?
heady turtle
Yes but that monitor is more than half your budget
Well not more than half but pretty close
odd siren
Just do 1440p
smoky elbow
Its around the same price as M28U just slightly higher
odd siren
You'll have the same experience but better fps
smoky elbow
Just do 1440p
I heard 1440p is bad for watching 1080p content
heady turtle
Nope
smoky elbow
the downscaling
heady turtle
4k is way worse
odd siren
If that's what you're implying 4k is worse
smoky elbow
If that's what you're implying 4k is worse
4k is just 4 times 1080p
heady turtle
Also it's more the bitrate that's the problem more than anything
odd siren
Lol
heady turtle
4k is just 4 times 1080p
Which means it would be 4 times worse than 1080p on a 4k monitor
heady turtle
Honestly g27q is the sweet spot
heady turtle
Not worth the 100$ more
odd siren
You right but if for describing a premium option
This would be the highest I'd go with a 6900XT
heady turtle
Eh it's barely better than g27q
odd siren
If not Q-X but that's not available here
smoky elbow
Honestly g27q is the sweet spot
200$ less than M28U
205.28$ to be exact
If I'm gonna save those 200$ I'll prob spend 400$ extra for AM5 platform
That's the thing about me
odd siren
AM5 is such a bad investment
heady turtle
You cant fit that into a 1500$ budget tho lol
smoky elbow
AM5 is such a bad investment
It has a path for upgrades
odd siren
Ok, so you spend 3 times as much on a motherboard for 1-2 possible cpu upgrades
smoky elbow
You cant fit that into a 1500$ budget tho lol
I don't think it'll be a 1500$ budget
odd siren
Or you can buy smart and buy 3 cheaper motherboards and 3 different platforms in that time
B650/X670(E) start at like 150$, nearly double over cheap 12th/13th gen
And you're from SA, this will convert terribly for you in price
heady turtle
Then why did you ask for a build with a 1500$ budget?
odd siren
Everything is really overpriced there that's why I only did a 1500$ list so you have room for shipping services and extra price charging for buying from SA
Also since 1500 ended up being the high end anyway
smoky elbow
Then why did you ask for a build with a 1500$ budget?
The plan
But reality is different
smoky elbow
At 28" you'll have to have some rather miraculous eyes to tell the difference be...
4k downscaled to 1440p ?
winged minnow
is warzone buggy as hell or is mmy pc bad
it freezes for a couple of seconds when i open the options menu
how , i have a gtx not an rtx card
heady turtle
how , i have a gtx not an rtx card
Image scaling is not the same as dlss, and yeah kinda buggy game
proper talon
Do keep in mind you might have to pay vat for import
True but it said they charged like £70 for “import & VAT/GST”
odd siren
It's the green slime monster
smoky elbow
6800xt is already fairly discounted, the asrock phantom model is down to like 53...
Just bought the Gigabyte 6800, now I saw the 6800xt in stock
and like 5$ cheaper
civic wren
vital oriole
heck no honestly
faint kindle
Absolutely not
civic wren
https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-3070-gv-n3070vision-oc-8gd/p/N82E16814932450?Item=N82E16814932450&quicklink=true
this is the same price idk if it matters
faint kindle
https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-rtx-3070-rtx-3070-ventus-3x-plus-8g-oc-lhr/p/N82E16814137739? Still don’t like the fact of paying this much for 3070 rly but this one is $549-60-20 rebate so $469
oak rivet
unless you care about rt somewhat
faint kindle
rt eh
vital oriole
rt is honestly still a gimmick unless you wanna make rt rendering faster i guess
like in blender
40 series budget lineup hasn't released yet
faint kindle
As soon as budget lineup releases other prices will follow
civic wren
Idk how much rt would matter for like beatsaber
oak rivet
their budget lineup probably wont feel that budget
faint kindle
Idk how much rt would matter for like beatsaber
None at all
civic wren
vital oriole
yep that's the one
faint kindle
yep
civic wren
So go for this one?
faint kindle
how soon do you need one?
like do you already have rest of pc built
or will this just sit for a while
civic wren
I'm upgrading from my rx580
vital oriole
what's your current psu?
vital oriole
which brand and model?
civic wren
Nzxt C850W
faint kindle
as long as it isn’t tt smart
civic wren
I went a little over for my psu because I wanted to be sure for future stuff
faint kindle
good thinking
civic wren
And also modular 💜
vital oriole
it's plenty for even up to a 4090 if your cpu isn't very hungry
faint kindle
only reason I mentioned if you didn’t need it now was bc of the aforementioned budget GPUs dropping fairly soon so prices of this gen will drop accordingly
vital oriole
^
faint kindle
But still, that’s a pretty alright deal on the 6750xt
civic wren
Yeah I can wait if it'd be better
faint kindle
yee true, we’ll see
vital oriole
not used where these cards goes like 300 or so
faint kindle
I guess for example, 3080 prices dropped from like 1000+ down to msrp ($700-800) & now settled around $5-600ish in some cases (note: upon further investigation this is wrong)
Well they were for a bit
Looks like they may have creeped back up again
fading glacier
lowest i saw a 3080 was 650
lower than that only used market
most of the time is 700-750
faint kindle
From couple months ago, didn’t realize prices had bounced back up like they have, don’t really keep up with it anymore lol
fading glacier
yeah the only one to hit that low was the yeston one, and was tied to a gift card as sort of discount
sadly every review i saw said that it was a terrible card, the heatsink was not enough for a 3080
almost fell into that trap as well xD
apart form that one, no other model went below 650 in the past
faint kindle
Dang 
fossil stirrup
Years ago, when monitors were bulky, my co worker showed me what one of the video cameras picked up, that had someone told me it happened, I'd never believe it. We had this elderly lady come into our store, about 70+. Was slow time of day, and when my co worker went in back of the store, this was Radio Shack by the way, the elderly lady grabs a monitor and runs with it. She outran my co worker who was 22, made it to her car, and took off. I asked if he called the police with the plate number, and was told no way In hell was he going to report it, which was funny, as he was for prosecuting any shoplifter. Asked him why, and he said it's embarrassing enough that a woman out ran him, but for an elderly woman with monitor, there was no way he was going to give a report and admit he was beaten.
hasty monolith
will the 6000 series gpus drop in price once the 7900xt/xtx release for sale in december?
oak rivet
will the 6000 series gpus drop in price once the 7900xt/xtx release for sale in ...
dont have a crystal ball to say that but it should
odd siren
Also depends on perf/$ of the card after reviews are out
oak rivet
lets be optimistic and hope its on the good side
uncut folio
Is it recommended to install a card holder for 3080?
livid idol
Like a support brace? That depends on a few different factors, like which card, case, and motherboard.
uncut folio
Yes, graphics card holder.
GTX 3080 FTW3, Fractal, ASRock Z690
It came with the mobo and it says optional in the manual but wanted to make sure
livid idol
Yeah that would be optional, but recommended in your case.
FTW3 isn't huge but still heavy, fractal cases aren't special except the torrent (comes with a brace), and I don't think asrock boards have reinforced slots.
odd siren
Like you're fine likely either way but if you want the card to stay in a very consistent condition I'd say do it
Using the holder you prevent any chance of warping
livid idol
Yep it'll prevent long term damage to the card/motherboard
odd siren
And if in doubt, lego works as well
uncut folio
Okay, I will install it next time I open the case to clean it
livid idol
And if in doubt, lego works as well
FTW3 comes with a brace doesn't it?
uncut folio
I have had the GPU for about a year and don't recall any sagging with the old mobo
odd siren
FTW3 comes with a brace doesn't it?
I can't remember I'm just saying it in case there's problems 
livid idol
Fair
livid idol
Meme leash
odd siren
It's ironic cos that leash inspired me for the 12vhpwr mod I have in mind to do
Different execution similar idea
oak rivet
keeping your gpus on a leash
fading glacier
FTW3 comes with a brace doesn't it?
im think he meant this thing that comes with the asrock mobos
i read that it blocks sata connectors more than it helps
vital oriole
huh that thing
faint kindle
Buddy is trying to decide between 6700xt for $349 or 6650xt for $249 
vital oriole
idk both are edging fairly close to one another tbh
more vram on 6700xt if they do 1440p
faint kindle
This is the rest of his build
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/f9mzRv
I think he has a 1080p monitor right now, but may upgrade to 1440p in the future
(Gpu will change for a 6700xt that’s on sale on wegg)
faint kindle
Pretty sure he’s wanting to stay around that same price, but he was trying to decide whether it was worth the extra money to get a 6700xt over a 6600 or 6650xt
vital oriole
if he wants to upgrade to 1440p i would push for 6700xt
faint kindle
Cool cool, thanks for the help 
knotty lion
Has anybody heard of this brand: Peladn Gaming their gpus on new egg seem too good to be true, and maybe they are, there's a 3080 ti going for 819 usd and it seems like a really good price but I don't know if I should trust it
knotty lion
Got it, I figured
livid idol
That's REALLY scummy of them using used chips like that sheesh
livid idol
This one's pretty dang good for new https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=10G-P5-3885-KL&associatecode=PCPartPicker
knotty lion
Well I didn't mention that I wanted the 12 gb one
Even if someone says it's not worth it
livid idol
Yeah the cheapest 12gb one is a full $200 more
You could almost get a 4080 for that price wtf
knotty lion
Well I had found a msi one but then it ran out of stock which
Was unfortunate
Ofc I was gonna have to wait but I keep saying that now is the best time to get it
livid idol
Honestly used ones are fine and you can find a 3080 for around $500 or less
knotty lion
I didn't wanna have to mess with used ones
I can't look at reviews tho for some reason
livid idol
Third party listings don't always have reviews but it'll be the same as a new listing as far as quality of the card itself. Seller reviews are decent enough.
knotty lion
Let me see then
Well I hate it when I get a mix of unhappy reviews and happy reviews
But they are mostly 5 eggs so, what could be so bad right?
livid idol
No seller is perfect, so ones that are good more often are fine
knotty lion
The one I posted doesn't look that bad, but unfortunately I might not be able to get it
And its gonna be like last year where a new thing comes out and I'll be behind again
livid idol
Yeah remember that AMD cards are coming soon too, 7900 XT for $900 should beat the 3090 ti and get pretty close to the 4080.
knotty lion
yeah i know they do sounds good, problems is i'm a nvidia person so idk if i wanna change anytime soon
livid idol
Well just remember that brand loyalty will cost you hundreds of dollars
knotty lion
That is very true, and i'm alright with it for the time being
Everything will eventually be mad expensive anyway
livid idol
At least there's no danger of the 4070 coming any time soon, latest on that is it's expected June
knotty lion
Which means that hopefully we will have these gpus for another 2 years
And plus I do 1080p gaming so I don't need anything crazy, but a 3080 ti sounds like a nice stopping point until it don't work no more
Thats if that price stays that way. And if not then a 3080 is fine
knotty lion
i might switch to 1440p not sure yet
knotty lion
yeah once they dial down i'll switch, and it'll be my main monitor, since 1080p is probably fine for other monitors
i have 3 1080p's right now
One is 165 hz, and the others are 60
Which is just fine for me
After all, I am just a gamer
I don't do any other crazy stuff
fading glacier
planned on a 4090 for my 4770k build on 1080p some months ago
talk to me about bnecks
vital oriole
you monster
bitter terrace
what does a refurbished GPU mean ??
bitter terrace
so a bitcoin miner could of used it then
vital oriole
no lol, not necessarily
fading glacier
well open box means returned, refurbished means repaired but 100% functional
vital oriole
mining on gpu isn't bad for it if you know what you're doing
bitter terrace
ok ok
vital oriole
the worst that could happen is just broken fan
which refurb should be repaired for you already
bitter terrace
ok then thx
fading glacier
at least is sincere about the refurbished part, that speak volumes
civic lance
WTF? Hall of Fame 3060 ti? https://www.tomshardware.com/news/galax-intros-first-hof-gpu-since-1060
For all of those peopel chasing XOC records on a 3060 ti?
civic lance
It doesn't appear that many people tried anything extreme with cooling one so far. Most HWBOT submissiosn are stock cooling or an AIO.
oak rivet
i am guessing its a highly binned 3060ti with very high pl limit aswell thats about it
odd siren
Sounds awesome
fading glacier
im guessing is only for looks, you dont need a high binned chip on a 3060ti anyway
not at this point in the cycle
heady turtle
@oak rivet keep it pg pls
oak rivet
💀
oak rivet
im guessing is only for looks, you dont need a high binned chip on a 3060ti anyw...
To satisfy the needs of xoc dudes
fading glacier
not on a 3060ti
oak rivet
Xoc people love overclocking everything that includes a 3060ti
This card is not for the masses
vital oriole
those people would just slap on an ln2 pot and mod anything
so 3060ti hof is kinda stupid
oak rivet
The binning ig
dreamy dragonBOT
Safi#9691 has been warned
oak rivet
civic lance
Xoc people love overclocking everything that includes a 3060ti
It seems that there has been minimal interest so far on the 3060 ti on HWBOT.
oak rivet
Who knows it's rich people's game and card anyways
heady turtle
Xoc people usually go for 80/800xt series and up
oak rivet
I have definitely seen some take grave interest in overclocking midrange stuff
And this card seems to fit their weird demands right on imo
keen nacelle
It's also possible they just want to dump their extra chips and are putting them in 3060 tis as they were the best selling card
Maybe they'll release it at 3060 ti msrp or below 3060 ti msrp with other 40 series cards
$250 better 3060 ti would be cool
oak rivet
We can only hope
fading glacier
And this card seems to fit their weird demands right on imo
we dont know that yet
we dont know if a 60ti will raise an eyebrow to the xoc community
oak rivet
fading glacier
sad thing hof cards are very rare on the western hemisphere
pine rapids
what would be a good price for a used 3070ti FE
vital oriole
i would say 400 or so
pine rapids
if i list mine for like 450 ish, i wouldnt be overpricing right
idk what to list it as ngl
vital oriole
that's decent ya
pine rapids
thx for the info
brittle field
Any recommendations on cards to consider for gaming with a 1440p monitor? So far I've discovered within my searches that a Radeon RX 6700 XT card is worth considering within my general price range of around $360.
keen nacelle
Any recommendations on cards to consider for gaming with a 1440p monitor? So far...
6700xt or a used 6800xt
brittle field
Thanks for the information.
fluid cargo
Anyone have info on the MACSUN GeForce RTX 3080? Seems like a good deal on Newegg but never heard of it
vital oriole
You meant maxsun?
fluid cargo
Yeah lol
fluid cargo
Newegg has it for $699 just seems so cheap
heady turtle
Newegg has it for $699 just seems so cheap
Imo just grab the 6800xt for 530$ instead way cheaper that's a pretty normal price
eager moat
Any recommendation on which 3060 card I should get? (no budget)
vital oriole
I wouldn't get a 3060 myself imo
either step up to 3060ti or get 6750xt
@eager moat here's your recommendations
heady turtle
Oh nice price on that 3060 ti
ivory thorn
Anyone know if suprim x 4090 would fit in a helios case?
livid idol
Yes, the case says up to 450mm length and the suprim air cooled model is 336mm
You'll still have room for liquid cooling on the front even
ivory thorn
Yes, the case says up to 450mm length and the suprim air cooled model is 336mm
Will I be able to close the side glass?
livid idol
Worst case scenario you'll need the 90 or 180 degree adapter for the power but yeah
ivory thorn
Worst case scenario you'll need the 90 or 180 degree adapter for the power but y...
Okay
hidden hawk
I'll ask in here as well I guess, does anyone know if Newegg refurbs have manufacturer warranty?
still mango
i ordered the rx 6800xt and it came with a game bundle. does newegg send the codes via email or do they come in the newegg box when i get my gpu. or how do they do it ive never bought a gpu from them
hidden hawk
Anyone have any feedback on these red dragon 6800xts
I could buy one for about 550 or wait on one of the asrock ones on Newegg to pop up again
hasty monolith
i ordered the rx 6800xt and it came with a game bundle. does newegg send the cod...
go to amdrewards.com check ur email or when ur gpu arrive
upper panther
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CCgFf7/zotac-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-lhr-8-gb-gamin...
YO...
keen nacelle
Probably 2080 if you're lucky
More likely 2070 super, 5700xt, 6600xt or 6650xt
Maybe 3060
hasty monolith
my birthday is the following monday should i buy my gpu then 6800xt or 6900xt
fiery valley
More likely 2070 super, 5700xt, 6600xt or 6650xt
is an evga black 2070 worth 200?
edgy night
Any idea when this will be back in stock: https://www.newegg.ca/sapphire-radeon-rx-6700-11321-02-20g/p/N82E16814202424?Item=N82E16814202424&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-CAN&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-CAN&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ASID=https%3A%2F%2Fca.pcpartpicker.com%2F&ranMID=44589&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-4wQgqEXcjg.jQJxzzduNRQ
oak rivet
🔮
eager moat
is an evga black 2070 worth 200?
Yeah, but id wait for Black Friday sales
fiery valley
cyber monday?
hasty monolith
Yeah, but id wait for Black Friday sales
Black friday sale is over
vital oriole
but cyber monday is on
also that's used price
black friday or any festivities has no effect on used market
at all
fiery valley
i mean it might right? people selling off their old stuff after replacing it during black friday
vital oriole
not really, no
wheat dome
Anyone have any negative experiences with getting a card on eBay? Trying to decide if it's worth attempting.
random walrus
Anyone have any negative experiences with getting a card on eBay? Trying to deci...
As long as the seller has good feedback it's usually a safe bet
livid idol
Anyone have any negative experiences with getting a card on eBay? Trying to deci...
If it's a reputable seller that has sold tech before and has recent sales they're fine
I've seen good rep, inactive accounts be hijacked before so that's why I bring up recent sales
wheat dome
@livid idol @random walrus Excellent, I figured as much. Thanks guys.
oak rivet
rt on
rt off
was doing some testing myself and ngl the difference does tend out to be quite noticeable
as games get more effects in the future rt seems like needs to be weighed in more heavily when it comes to buying decision
fading glacier
in the future?
thats why hub remarked that rt is becoming an important metric this generation on the 4080 review
more and more games are adopting rt
still, the more important decision when buying is budget over everything else, you can enjoy your games without rt anyway
fading glacier
rt on
and yeah on spiderman remastered, without rt you cant enjoy the buildings with their mirror-like windows, kinda sad to lose a lot of gameplay experience without rt
oak rivet
and yeah on spiderman remastered, without rt you cant enjoy the buildings with t...
Let's see games start becoming fully path traced
Where there is no rt on or off toggle
Like metro exodus enhanced
fading glacier
amd will fight an uphill battle if more games adopt that path
while nvidia will justify their outrageous taxes
you want raster? go amd no problem.... rt? come to my house kiddo
jokes aside, yeah when you turn on rt on cp77 you just cant go back to non-rt
the world looks a lot more vivid
random walrus
The remastered Metro Exodus with full raytracing is amazing. Would recommend.
And that's from like 2019 I think. As RT gets more common I want more games to be made for RT rather than have AO or reflections added
wicked hound
Original is Feb 2019, remaster is May 2021.
rustic pulsar
nah but fr the resident evil remakes are godly
violet prawn
carmine dune
Got a friend looking for GPUs around $500-$600. Found a couple 6700XTs. Anyone able to help me narrow them down for him?
oak rivet
Judging you in the US should be able to do 3080 or 6800xt for that price
vital oriole
^
radiant panther
No 3080 below 700usd
It looks like the only way to get a 3080 under $700 is to go used on ebay, or go refurb on Newegg but none of those are under 650$
livid idol
Used are fine usually
fading glacier
3090 in general is a bad deal unless you need the vram
you can get almost the same performance with a 3080 with less power and less heat
3090s memory modules on the back are a pain
and on used cards you cant be sure about how healthy those modules are
oak rivet
3090s memory modules on the back are a pain
If you need the extra vram better off going for a 3090ti ig as it solves this issue
keen nacelle
proper egret
Does the 3090 ti have the same melting connector issue as the 4090?
I can't seem to find anything about it, so I am assuming not but considering it's the same connector I am not sure
livid idol
Does the 3090 ti have the same melting connector issue as the 4090?
Nope
It used a different adapter
proper egret
Didn't the founder use the 12 pin?
Ok, I see, why would Nvidia use 12 pin and not 16? Seems kinda odd
heady turtle
Because atx 3.0 wasn't a released standard yet
proper egret
Ah ok, that makes a bit more sense
radiant hornet
Hey guys, I just put in my 6900xt but im only getting 60hz on my monitor. I'm using an hdmi 2.1 cable that came with my ps5... I thought this cable would support 240hz?
ASUS VG248QE 24" Full HD 1920x1080 144Hz 1ms HDMI Gaming Monitor https://a.co/d/1L6cPHz
This is my monitor
I went there, but the option is only up to 60 for some reason
Yea it's in the right spot
Guess I can't upload a screenshot on this discord
keen nacelle
What resolution is the monitor?
And are you sure the monitor supports 240hz?
Oh
I missed the monitor part
144hz
radiant hornet
warm dew
I went there, but the option is only up to 60 for some reason
some monitors only support higher frames via DP check this
radiant hornet
This is the monitor, above is a screenshot with the refresh rate and drivers showing
Ohh... I think i see now on the page for the monitor, requires display port huh
*To activate 144Hz function (in 2D mode), both DisplayPort (or Dual-link DVI) and a selected graphics card with the latest driver are required.
Well poop, I ordered a display port cord but it didn't come at the same time as the card, so I thought I could rig this PS5 cable until it did 😦
keen nacelle
Oh rip
warm dew
F
radiant hornet
What am I looking for in the reviews? lol
I'm not super tech savvy(obviously) lol
wheat dome
Yeah, I can confirm you do need a DisplayPort cable to access 144Hz with this monitor.
swift cliff
Has anyone overclocked their 4080 to 3ghz stable?
livid idol
Very few people here bothered to get a 4080 at all
hidden hawk
Obscenely priced, new generation, there's boatloads of last gen cards for cheaper than they've ever been
I'm about to just buy a 6800xt and be happy lmao
fading glacier
what is funny is that the 4080 give better fps/price than the 4090
but the 4090 is loved, the 4080 not
heady turtle
Pretty funny actually yeah
fading glacier
yeah when i saw that i asked myself, why ppl hate so much the 4080 while the 4090 is worse for the price o.O
heady turtle
yeah when i saw that i asked myself, why ppl hate so much the 4080 while the 409...
Actually i misread what you said, the 4090 gives better fps/$
fading glacier
no according to hub
heady turtle
I guess it might depend on game, i worked it out on a GN game
Now ofc they don't give avg of all titles but yeah
fading glacier
and ythis one is suing actual pricing, street prices
but on avg, the 4090 is worse price/fps
at least to them
1600 gives as much fps for the price as the 1200 card
less fps for less money, but both are bad
heady turtle
Here we go
fading glacier
hmmmm
keen nacelle
4080s are also normally much higher than msrp, 4090s have been higher but closer to msrp
Like, cheapest 4080 I've seen was $1500
I've seen 4090 stay in stock for a while at $1800
fading glacier
Here we go
yeah on some games the balance tip to the other side, thats why i used average
fading glacier
Like, cheapest 4080 I've seen was $1500
yeah but this is talking online, on site they are at msrp +100/150 give or take
keen nacelle
I take that back https://pcpartpicker.com/product/J2t9TW/zotac-gaming-trinity-geforce-rtx-4080-16-gb-video-card-zt-d40810d-10p
Then asus tuf 4090 is 1800
fading glacier
when you compare a 1200/1300 card vs a 2000 card, the chocie seems clear
fading glacier
Then asus tuf 4090 is 1800
oos
checkd your link the other day
pcpp is weird sometimes
keen nacelle
Oh rip
fading glacier
there is no 4090 in stock nowhere
msrp is a lalala dream
when i read those comments about "if you are going to spend 1200 on a card, you might as well get a 4090 for some more" yeah like you can get one at msrp
only way to get one is paying scalping price 😦
oak rivet
soo compare the cheapest street price between both
fading glacier
thats the point, 4080 dont need street price
because is available everywhere
while 4090 msrp is non existant
faint kindle
Saw a prebuilt on Newegg with 4090 for $2699 yesterday but other than that haven’t seen any cheaper
oak rivet
4090 is a significant jump over 4080 worth considering
fading glacier
is kinda the same
oak rivet
that was not the case with 3080 vs 3090
oak rivet
is kinda the same
i am talking performance wise
fading glacier
4090 is kinda 40% faster but cost around 30-40% more
me 2
thats why i linked both ss at the top
fading glacier
i am talking performance wise
average is kinda the same fps per dollar spend
and on average the 4090 is a lil worse for the price
asumming msrp
if you factor street price, is even worse
oak rivet
still imo think should just go 4090 if considering 4080
fading glacier
not when the difference is about 800-1k more
keen nacelle
Room for 4080ti
I'm imagining they'll lower 4080 price and make the ti 1200
faint kindle
Surely, right?
fading glacier
you can get a 1300 4080, but you cant a 4090 at 1600
oak rivet
its highend territory pricing but also in a middle gap position
fading glacier
I'm imagining they'll lower 4080 price and make the ti 1200
it all depends on the 4070 on january
heady turtle
yeah on some games the balance tip to the other side, thats why i used average
Yeah i didn't bother doing more things i guess Hub is right
oak rivet
if they dont do a vram bump for 4080ti it would be kinda ridiculous
faint kindle
yeah, ready to see perf of 7900xtx
keen nacelle
Even a 4090 with 16gb would be fine
oak rivet
but they are not going to pass down the saving to the consumers
faint kindle
ahhhh actually they may do that
fading glacier
if they dont do a vram bump for 4080ti it would be kinda ridiculous
a bump to 20gb will be weird on the bandwidth... not gonna happen
its either 16 or 24
faint kindle
They could market a 4090 16gb for $1350 as opposed to a 4080 16gb/20gb for $1300
keen nacelle
And the bus
heady turtle
if they dont do a vram bump for 4080ti it would be kinda ridiculous
16gb is plenty for 4k
oak rivet
i am just saying a higher tiered card should also have more vram imo
fading glacier
but they will not devalue the flagship
keen nacelle
As the vram will not be utilized
fading glacier
they cant make a 4080 24gb
heady turtle
i am just saying a higher tiered card should also have more vram imo
3060 12gb, 3060 ti 8gb, 3070 8gb, 3070 ti 8gb
fading glacier
i mean, they can, but they wont
heady turtle
3080 12gb, 3080 ti 12gb
oak rivet
its just nvidia being nvidia 
keen nacelle
Maybe faster vram, but there's no point to more
oak rivet
well amd did not even do a core count uplift with 50xt lineup
oak rivet
Maybe faster vram, but there's no point to more
should still see benefit at higher res like 4k and 8k
where are straining the memory bandwith
fading glacier
amd can do weird vram configs because the infinity cache on their cards
oak rivet
faster gddr6x is probably one of the reason some ampere cards did better compared to amd counterparts at 4k or higher res
keen nacelle
should still see benefit at higher res like 4k and 8k
You will not
Even 16gb won't be utilized
And who's gaming at 8k
fading glacier
nvidia is brute forcing performance, thats why they use high speed vram
keen nacelle
Also there's faster gddr6 than g6x
fading glacier
amd vram utilization is better than nvidia at lower speed/power usage and costs
oak rivet
when does the review embargo lift on 7900xtx
fading glacier
probably 1 day before launch
as most embargos
that effin card need to at least match the 4080
if not, then we are doomed
keen nacelle
It will
I've no doubt it will
Otherwise it wouldn't be much better than the 6900xt, and then the 7800xt would likely fall behind the 6800xt
fading glacier
i have my doubts, amd is no stranger to give way over the top comparisons
keen nacelle
True, look at am5
oak rivet
the 4080 on average seems to have a fps lead of 10 to 15fps over 3090ti
6950xt also gives similar fps to 3090ti
oak rivet
soo i think they can manage that 10 to 15fps uplift
keen nacelle
Oced 6800xt does in some things too lol
oak rivet
that said 4080 bar charts do not look that satisfying when compared to 3090ti
the difference is not mind blowingly huge
like 4090 was
keen nacelle
I'd buy a used 3080 for $550 any day of the week over a $1350 4080
Or a 6800xt new for $515, for the matter
oak rivet
i personally like my rt features soo would like a 3080 aswell
keen nacelle
Safi aren't you the one who's shilled amd to the point you said no one should be buying a nvidia card
fading glacier
he is, until he saw cp77 with rt
keen nacelle
Makes sense
oak rivet
well if you compared something like a 3060 vs 6700xt
6700xt is the obvious choise right
keen nacelle
3060 ti*
fading glacier
sadly more and more games are adopting rt, and that will look bad on amd cards in the near future
keen nacelle
Not really, 3060 ti is consistently around only $50 more
oak rivet
it is now
keen nacelle
6650xt would be the one to compare to the 3060
oak rivet
but it was not like a month or two ago iirc
keen nacelle
It was
oak rivet
well there was a period 3060 was same price as 6700xt
fading glacier
oak rivet
if that is the case then amd ofc
keen nacelle
There was a point 6950xt was $1100 consistently
oak rivet
well on fb i have seen people pay more for a 3060 over 6700xt
whichi is kinda ridiculous imo
faint kindle
Amazon prices are still wack
oak rivet
Maybe they're a video editor
your good old gamer
tier for tier at same price i would pick nvidia
but if can get higher tier amd card for lower tier nvidia price then its a no brainer
faint kindle
Hmm 6900xt on Newegg for $699
Another one for $654 but OOS
Does AMD have an equivalent to DLSS that works as well?
vital oriole
It is actually, if we don't count DLSS 3
oak rivet
not from a quality perspective
vital oriole
But only for now, since DLSS 2.x still constantly updates
I'm talking quality
Looks essentially the same, just handles some things differently
oak rivet
ehh fsr looks significantly worse for me
vital oriole
That's the old solution
oak rivet
to hwub dlss and xess on arc remains superior
faint kindle
I use DLSS on nearly every game possible bc tbh, I’d rather have a consistent 144+hz than some slight quality drops, so it’s pretty important to me
Wasn’t sure how FSR was tho
heady turtle
Fsr 2.0 is good fsr 1.0 is about as good as dlss 1.0 lol
vital oriole
^
hidden hawk
Would you guys pull the trigger on an xfx merc 6800xt for 599?
oak rivet
yes
wicked hound
Fsr 2.0 is good fsr 1.0 is about as good as dlss 1.0 lol
2.1 is good enough, 2.0 kinda meh
wicked hound
Hence my term "enough". Practically impossible to compete with optimized hardware acceleration (DLSS on Tensor) instead of meh hardware acceleration (FSR on GPU).
dreamy dragonBOT
mdnobles88#8395 has been warned
wicked hound
sus
heady turtle
@odd siren 
keen nacelle
I'm hoping that naming scheme won't be something like nvidia tried to do with the 4079
With the 7950xt actually being the 7800xt
heady turtle
Lol well they already said 7900xt completes with 4080
keen nacelle
Oh didn't know that was what they said, thought it was a leak
That's good then
Though I hope these other three cards will be reasonably priced
If 7950xtx can compete with 4090 at like $1300 that'd be cool
heady turtle
7990xtx is supposed to compete with 4090 ti if it comes out uwu
wicked hound
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Based on specs: 7950XT is actually 7900XT, 7950XTX is 7900XTX, 7990XTX is ??? (prolly 7950XT[X]). How old is that image, seems preAMD announcement.
vital oriole
amd taking on 4090 properly when
livid idol
Not anytime soon that's for sure
They had no desire to do what Nvidia did and just slam as much power into the die as they can
What I want to see in a refresh is GDDR6W though, double capacity and bandwidth
oak rivet
If the performance is there I am okay with 450watts I probably would daily a 4090 at 600watts if I had one
The msrp is a bigger issue
odd siren
I had the expectation of a refresh, N31 had clock issues that they couldn't fix before the XTX/XT release
oak rivet
heady turtle
What's with the 6500xt?
heady turtle
Oh right they're usually 4gb right?
odd siren
Damn now I can experience 1650 speed without stuttering
oak rivet
orchid loom
oak rivet
crisp tendon
I have a Lenovo Legion BoostStation eGPU enclosure, and I'm looking for a GPU for it.
Now I think officially it supports up to an NVIDIA 2060, but I've seen a tech website say a 3070Ti will work as it's at or below the 300W maximum power consumption for the enclosure.
Anyone here got experience with this enclosure and could tell me what card they have?
And if anyone knows of any decent UK deals for GPU's and recommendations for GPU's, I'd appreciate it.
My laptop is getting a bit outdated with its little 980GTX and this is a slightly cheaper alternative than a whole PC.
lone pond
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heady turtle
And if anyone knows of any decent UK deals for GPU's and recommendations for GPU...
No experience with it myself but yeah you may be able to use a 3070 if it's compact enough
crisp tendon
They don't say what size of GPU can fit inside but the pictures show quite a bit of length for a GPU.
Although they also want you to reinstall the retaining latch (10) which looks like it has a couple of positions:
My plan is to sit it on a shelf next to my computer desk, so it's not like the GPU should really be moving around.
fading glacier
you just need to find the case dimensions and then look for the card you want and their dimensions to see if they match
easier than looking at a picture when you have access to measurements
crisp tendon
Outside dimensions:
– Length: 365 mm (14.3 inches)
– Width: 172 mm (6.8 inches)
– Height: 212 mm (8.4 inches)
I reckon there is appropriately 12 inches of GPU with the retaining bracket in the rightmost position. I'll try and measure it physically sometime today, right now I'm trying to clear out stuff I don't need.
fading glacier
365mm in length, but you need to account the thickness of the 120mm fan (or 80mm fan?) and the L on the front as well
that should be around 320-330 mm probably
most 2 fan cards should fit, 3 fan cards will be the issue in size
luckily for you most 20 series cards are only 2 fan cards
heady turtle
Oh that can fit a lot of cards yeah
Oh wait that's outside dimensions, weird they don't give card space dimensions
fading glacier
true, they should give maximum size for gpu clearance
crisp tendon
They should but I think Lenovo preferred people buy it with a GPU inside already 🤷🏻
Huh, eBuyer say the max length for cards is 32cm 🤷🏻
random walrus
3070 would probably work but if not, a 3060ti certainly will
crisp tendon
Ultrabook review says:
Max GPU Dimensions
300mm (Power Pin on Rear) 320mm (Power Pin on Top) x
60mm x 150mm (Distance Between Top of PCIe Connector to Bottom of Card Locker)
Judging from their photos, it looks like it uses a standard ATX power supply
So theoretically speaking you could upgrade that to one with a higher power output and run any card that fits
Assuming you find one with the same physical dimensions and connections in the same place etc.
random walrus
What cpu does your laptop have?
fading glacier
320 will fit any 2 fan card and some 3 fan cards
random walrus
3 slot or only 2?
fading glacier
seems like 2 slots only
random walrus
(I know it's an outlier but I find the Asus Dual 30xx to be a funny card)
fading glacier
maaaaybe 3 slots
random walrus
Triple slot 267mm card with 2 fans
heady turtle
300w is plenty for a gpu
fading glacier
if you can fit a strix there then you can fit anything
crisp tendon
What cpu does your laptop have?
It's an i7 6700k, ever so slightly OC to ~4.1-4.3GHz depending on core usage.
GPU is a 980GTX with 8GB vram
The max depth of card is 60mm, which sounds like dual slot only.
Ok I'm wrong about that. Apparently a single PCIe slot is 20.32mm deep. So 60mm is 2.95 slots
So this GPU (ASUS ROG Strix OC GeForce RTX 3070 Ti 8GB Ampere Graphics Card) fits Physically (with 2.22mm to spare), but requires a 750W PSU and 3x 8-pin which is more than the PSU can handle as I think it comes with a single 8-pin and a single 6-pin.
keen nacelle
3070 ti would be fine on a 550w
heady turtle
You have a 6700k in a laptop... Interesting
crisp tendon
You have a 6700k in a laptop... Interesting
Yes. It works ok but 90°C under load is easy, which is also why I use a cooler stand for it.
It didn't like new RAM running at 2400MHz tho
heady turtle
How many 6+2 pin connectors does the enclosure have btw?
crisp tendon
I think it's a single 8 and a single 6, but I haven't physically checked yet.