It feels weird they would do shrinkflation with that much jump in performance
#graphics-cards
livid idol
vital oriole
ya know, nvidia
oak rivet
And have the advantage of dlss 3 over 3090ti
vital oriole
dlss 3 is eh rn, lots of artifacts
oak rivet
dlss 3 is eh rn, lots of artifacts
Yes
vital oriole
but it'll get better over time
livid idol
It's still in it's infancy
oak rivet
Like dlss 1 should get better
vital oriole
yep
wicked hound
Hard to say if it needs to be DLSS3.X or DLSS4 to be better tho. One of the main issues is also latency, which doesnt seem like an easy fix.
oak rivet
But yeah until Gotham knights came my 10400f felt like a beast to me I thought I could go upto a 3090ti
vital oriole
dlss 3 so far only benefits high fps
cause it adds latency
low fps you're not gonna have a great time
wicked hound
cause it adds latency
and artifacts that can be hidden with low frametimes
livid idol
Plus those AI frames can be a little garbled, which is more noticeable at low fps
oak rivet
Depends on the game
wicked hound
While I do have hopes for Frame gen, I still think it might be a while before it's worth it for most future Ada+ users
vital oriole
im still fascinated how ow2 still lacks dlss 2
livid idol
It's also interesting to see that they got DLSS 3.0 working on 2000 series GPUs. It seems to be a simple software toggle.
oak rivet
Nvidia reps say otherwise
vital oriole
it legit hurts perf tho, according to the guy who did it
more fps but it drops more
high but inconsistent
livid idol
Nvidia reps say otherwise
ofc they do, they don't want to have the overhead of needing to support more GPUs and they're trying to sell it as a "4000 only" feature so you buy that instead of used 3000
wicked hound
It's also interesting to see that they got DLSS 3.0 working on 2000 series GPUs....
And will never be good with latency and artifacts tho. Only just barely possible (with quality) rn with Ada lol
livid idol
Right because it's not optimized for 2000
wicked hound
Turing has a barely functional OFA compared to Ampere or Ada
oak rivet
Hwub described how high fps with high latency feels kind of weird
livid idol
The latency should improve over time as they train the AI and mature the system
vital oriole
nvidia either doesn't bother optimizing it for the different hardware
or just probably being malicious
livid idol
or just probably being malicious
Probably a little of column A and B
livid idol
I don't know if turing or ampere can do it
No the RT cores even on the 3090 ti are garbage by comparison to the new gen
oak rivet
Sadge
With rt at psycho and dlss at quality I had overhead for even higher rt settings
livid idol
This was a really cool comparison for RT
wicked hound
Doing a copy/paste of my frame gen writeup @livid idol @vital oriole
There are two main issues with Ampere properly running realtime frame generation for DLSS3. The data pipeline from the Tensor cores to the OFA and the Tensor throughput.
Ada has Tensor/OFA FFUs that allow a proper data pipeline between the Tensor cores and the OFA. That allows Ada to use the Tensor cores and then the OFA in the same clock cycle while previous generations would take tens of thousands of clock cycles to do the same. First issue is that Ampere and older cant get the Tensor data to the OFA after its done its calculations in the same clock cycle or without software help which results in a fair few clock cycles. The data also needs to be organized and blocked out which requires more software help and many more clock cycles.
Ada is also the only architecture to have a high enough Tensor throughput to do per frame sequencing. This is mostly due to the fact that Ada uses FP8 (8bit floating point) for faster calculations. The OFA doesnt require extremely accurate data, but does require moderately accurate FP16 data. Ada is the only consumer architecture to have FP8 logic units in the Tensor cores, and a FFU (Fixed Function Unit) to transform the FP8 data to FP16 data (the Transformer Engine). So both Turing and Ampere dont have a shortcut for Tensor throughput when running the OFA.
Lastly to talk about Turing, it's also just has a way worse OFA. It's near non-existent, lots of missing featuresets which are even described in the OFA SDK documentation. Also much slower then Ampere.
oak rivet
6900xt doing worse rt then a 3070 tier gpu
vital oriole
aha
livid idol
6900xt doing worse rt then a 3070 tier gpu
With RT maxed out yeah
livid idol
This was a really cool comparison for RT
Look how the A770 does there though
oak rivet
Seems like everyone needs a 4090
vital oriole
nah, any 40 series will be able to run dlss 3
livid idol
Until you realize there's few games that support these features
oak rivet
Cyberpunk does that's enough for me
livid idol
Fair enough. It's an individual choice after all.
But really I'd go for something lower tier like a 4080 at most
Oh and let's not forget the 3Dmark RT test
wicked hound
Need to put in more data here, but some data I put up (I did name Hardware Unboxed as Unboxed Box by accident tho lol)
Also need to remove the duplicate games and pick what is most GPU limited
Just look at percentage numbers for RT perf
livid idol
A770 is always juiced up in 3d mark
In this case it's because Intel did a better job with their first gen RT cores than AMD did
wicked hound
Depends on DXR implementation, also Intel settings as they did a big bad for "cheating" benchmark scores
livid idol
"Teach to the test" leaked its way into hardware ig
Optimize the F out of those drivers if the benchmark is detected lol
oak rivet
Yes makes somewhat enthusiast buyer feel like they got a very good deal
Then they open a game and the performance doesn't really scale up
ivory gale
lows dont seem to have very good improvement regardless of what is bottlenecking in the bench's i saw for the 4090s
interesting thats the case
oak rivet
Even the lows seem higher then the 3090ti average
ivory gale
idk, besides the marked up cards and specialty cards selling slower, it also seems like there are more 3090's going on sale and stuff on newegg. hopefully a good sign
ill be able to buy a 4090 soon
there have been restocks just not much on newegg
i guess
livid idol
there have been restocks just not much on newegg
The issue with newegg is the bots are optimized so well they've completed checkout before you have time to load the page and see it's in stock
wicked hound
The issue with newegg is the bots are optimized so well they've completed checko...
Dont know if they can complete checkout that fast but they can check availability, add to cart, and get to checkout by the time a standard person finishes refreshing a page. Also worth noting many bot developers dont know how to do that.
ivory gale
hm, the little yellow box that says out of stock description is not showing on the msi gaming 4090 i will take that as a sign from above
normal hawk
Oh and let's not forget the 3Dmark RT test
2x 3090 still is #1 on 3D mark.
but NVLink + SLI is dead.
fading glacier
cause 4090 is only 70% better than a single 3090
maybe 4090ti will top this time
😛
imiagine 4090s on sli
sick work
pine knot
hey my buddy is selling a gtx 1080 for 120$(CAD) is it worth the deal or no
hasty monolith
For 6900xt how much psu i need so that it wont have any transient issues
hot hill
hey my buddy is selling a gtx 1080 for 120$(CAD) is it worth the deal or no
I think that's a worthwhile deal
pine knot
I think that's a worthwhile deal
what does the 1080 compare to
hot hill
what does the 1080 compare to
in what way? I just did a quick scan of other 1080's on used sites, most coming in at about $150 - $200
hasty monolith
Against amd version or later generations?
pine knot
in what way? I just did a quick scan of other 1080's on used sites, most coming ...
performance wise
hasty monolith
Maybe 2070
hot hill
between a 2060 and 2070
hasty monolith
Just know rt is out of the question 4 1080
hasty monolith
4 high fps stick to 1440p. The newer games can be very demanding at 4k
keen nacelle
4 high fps stick to 1440p. The newer games can be very demanding at 4k
Depending on the gpu, 1080p
If you care about high fps, stick to 1080p for anything below 3060 ti and 6700xt. Even those are viable options for 1080p
6800xt/3080 though is excessive lol
hot hill
For 6900xt how much psu i need so that it wont have any transient issues
this depends more on how good the psu can handle transients than just wattage, a higher rated supply (Ie gold or platinum) would handle the transient spikes better overall
hasty monolith
this depends more on how good the psu can handle transients than just wattage, a...
Im getting the gf1 850w gold
Is that enough
hot hill
what is your cpu?
hasty monolith
Getting 5700x
hot hill
I think that should be a good psu
hasty monolith
My friend just got be worried after showing me the video on 6900xt transient voltage
hot hill
yeah, spikes are rough
hot hill
with the 5700x being a 65W part psu has plenty of overhead
hasty monolith
The same friend say i should go 1000 or 1200w psu
odd siren
no
hot hill
nah
odd siren
850W is already compensating pretty hard for any transients
heady turtle
The same friend say i should go 1000 or 1200w psu
Only reason to get that would be 3090+
odd siren
you could do it on even 750W
hasty monolith
Better just 850w just in case
heady turtle
Yeah 750w is more iffy also usually not much more for 850w
hasty monolith
Plus it cost around the same price as 750
odd siren
Plus it cost around the same price as 750
to put it into perspective, 6900XT transients iirc are like some, north of 500W, 600W maybe? And you couple that with a 65W chip, even unlocked at like 140W max you still have a lot of headroom. You're fine.
hasty monolith
Bit dont my nvme ssd, sata ssd, hdd plus wifi pci and kyeboard and mouse, wired controller alao takes power as well as the 214xt and case fans?
odd siren
yes but an almost negligible amount really
would say easily under 20W
and additionally PSU's like the GF1 will handle going a bit over 850W as well before it turns off
and additionally again
unless all you use is power viruses on your PC 24/7
you're not going to be getting unrealistically close to 850W anyway
hasty monolith
Thanks
keen nacelle
Wouldn't surprise me if a 6900xt was fine on a good 650w
I'd be more surprised if it had issues with a low power cpu on a 650w than if it didn't
tacit panther
Do I use three different 8 pin connectors connectors for my gpu or am I supposed to have 1 that has 3 x 8 ?
cerulean rover
3 different connectors
fossil stirrup
What in a game, controls whether the ram on a video card is used, instead of the ram on the motherboard?
odd siren
the amount of vram needed for the settings used
games will allocate vram until there's none available, then it'll access dram
so if you want to use less vram, use a lower resolution or worse graphics settings
means less data will need to be cached for the gpu
so therefore vram needs go down
fossil stirrup
Thanks Felix. Been making mods a long time, and never bothered to even look into this, as I always went with whatever the game was set to use, yet some of my Starbound mods, like stacking and no decay, take a lot of memory, so am starting to look into doing adjustments through the mod, not the game.
Also, past older games that need manual resolution changes, I was a bit lazy and used HRC resolution changer. Fastest way to make changes, without having to look them up.
tacit panther
Hmm
Can u not send pictures in here?
Was wondering if these cords I have would work for my new graphics card I’m getting or if I would need to buy some
They say vga on them the top one is a 8 pin then middle of cord is a 6+2 pin then the bottom is a 6
livid idol
Can u not send pictures in here?
You need to chat for a bit until your name turns green for pics to work
hasty monolith
do i wait til the amd 7000 gpu announcement, wait to black friday or buy now
for 6900xt
livid idol
Black Friday won't have sales on new gen stuff, it never does
But AMD cards are looking spicy
TL;DR AMD might win in pure raster fps but Nvidia is still ahead in ray tracing and other features. AMD 7900XT is also going to be only 350W.
solemn panther
Huh
hasty monolith
Black Friday won't have sales on new gen stuff, it never does
i meant on the 6000 series not the new stuff
heady turtle
do i wait til the amd 7000 gpu announcement, wait to black friday or buy now
At least wait til announcement imo
livid idol
i meant on the 6000 series not the new stuff
Still unlikely to be much lower
heady turtle
I think announcement of the new 7000 stuff and their prices will cause rx 6000 to drop too
livid idol
They're really low already. Maybe the higher end stuff.
heady turtle
Yeah like the 6900xts which they want
heady turtle
TL;DR AMD might win in pure raster fps but Nvidia is still ahead in ray tracing ...
Nv wins in ray tracing
Amd :
wicked hound
I mean it is getting harder and harder to brush off lack of RT tho. They have new internal featuresets so it'll be much better then their previous design, but still dont know how much better. Im hoping at least Ampere or better but idk.
livid idol
Yeah with UE5 having features that make it really easy to make RT enabled games we're going to see more of those pretty quick.
For this reason I feel nvidia will age better if you're looking for a long term investment
wicked hound
Esp given the R&D Nvidia is doing for optimizing RT on the software side. They've made huge improvements over the last 10 months I think it is? Tho that'll be a while before getting to a game (will prolly be a bit before even getting into a professional rendering engine lol)
hasty monolith
There is only a few UE5 games out. We need a open world game that actually show us what UE5 can really do
oak rivet
There is only a few UE5 games out. We need a open world game that actually show...
what UE5 games are these ? i dont see a single one
livid idol
what UE5 games are these ? i dont see a single one
Notably Fortnite is converting to UE5 https://gamerant.com/all-confirmed-unreal-engine-5-games/
livid idol
There is only a few UE5 games out. We need a open world game that actually show...
Ark 2 hypeeee
fading glacier
people want more competition in the gpu field, yet they throw crap at intel arc at every turn....
like they cant remember when amd was like that not so long ago
and amd was far far behind compared to what intel achieved in such a short span of time
oak rivet
thats why not really recommended for your average household
until they get some very basic things in control
fading glacier
well, once you see into the driver mess you will realize is not as basic as you think
but, they are improving at an incredible speed, i mean, trying to go toe to toe vs a 3070 is quite the achievement
oak rivet
soo vrr was not working which can be a big deal breaker for some people
oak rivet
but, they are improving at an incredible speed, i mean, trying to go toe to toe ...
intel themselves are comparing it to a 3060 where did 3070 come from
oak rivet
this is probably one of the bigger wins for them
but how the arc control acts like a fullscreen game and a lot other described in the video seems quite frustrating to me
fading glacier
still arc gpus are cheap, if you can cope with the shortcomings then, at the very least, those are capable gpus
you can buy one for your kids as an example, cheap and capable card for fortnite 
oak rivet
intel own designed they smashed it with the rgb light bar design all around
nice diffusion
fading glacier
magic wing
TL;DR AMD might win in pure raster fps but Nvidia is still ahead in ray tracing ...
yes
its looking great
severe basin
2x raster performance sounds pretty incredible to me, as a 2080super user.
odd siren
@fading glacier glad I didn't pick the neptune, I don't like the IRL look at all
That's....not white that block
odd siren
I mean, suprim is silver, but that neptune block looks very white in preview lol
Just a bit sadge
vital oriole
ye
odd siren
It probably looks fine in an all white build
odd siren
that must truly suck then
imagine paying 13K for a car and expecting white but it turns up grey
Same feeling
fading glacier
lame
not even silver, looks grey
and the tubes coming up and not from the side as the waterfroce mmmmm no like
odd siren
at this point my only interest would really be this:
https://evatech.com.au/img/p/4/8/2/3/5/48235-thickbox.jpg
it kinda looks like those fittings can come off and reuse the block but maybe that's just me
fading glacier
tacit panther
Would this be a correct cord for my gpu ?
oak rivet
Yes the single 8 pin will go to your psu and the other two ends to your gpu
tacit panther
Yes the single 8 pin will go to your psu and the other two ends to your gpu
thanks i kinda forgot havent put a gpu in my pc for awhile
wicked hound
it kinda looks like those fittings can come off and reuse the block but maybe th...
I mean is pump in block? Might cause some issues.
When compared to good GPU block
livid idol
what's the best gpu for gaming for around $450
You could find a used 3080 for that price, or if you want new a 6750 XT that will crush the 3060. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XZmmP6/powercolor-radeon-rx-6750-xt-12-gb-red-devil-oc-video-card-axrx-6750xt-12gbd6-3dheoc
6750 XT is about 40% better than the 3060 in gaming
remote patrol
oh i see i see
thanks
oh but it costs 613€ on amazon.de
i guess i will stick to the 3060
livid idol
That would have been good to mention, that you weren't in the US
hasty sphinx
That would have been good to mention, that you weren't in the US
Did ya see his name?
remote patrol
croat*
livid idol
I've seen Americans use Japanese characters in their name
remote patrol
Did ya see his name?
it's just a font💀
hasty sphinx
I've seen Americans use Japanese characters in their name
I mean true. Look at your name.
livid idol
And pfp ig
How many euros are you trying to keep it under @remote patrol?
If it's the 450 then this https://www.amazon.de/dp/B0BCL3L6ZG
remote patrol
okay
fossil stirrup
Just saw an article about someone getting an RTX box with weights? Would be funny in the near future of the next article being about some theft ring getting shut down, because the theif stupidly plugs that card in and uses it.
heady turtle
They can't tell that the stolen card is being used remotely....
fossil stirrup
I'm actually surprised no such article has already been done. You would think by now, with just about every hardware part being traceable, the moment a PC is turned on, such would be caught.
heady turtle
No that would be a huge intrusion first of all and secondly unnecessary increasing price etc
The only way they're traceable is manually threw the part number
fossil stirrup
Doesn't Microsoft do that already with windows? Record the serial number? The same system that records info so it knows it's the same system after a format, without the bother of entering a key ever again.
hasty sphinx
Doesn't Microsoft do that already with windows? Record the serial number? The sa...
That, again, would be a huge intrusion. Like, illegal if they were to provide that information on someone's system to anyone.
Other than someone who has a warrant.
hasty sphinx
Doesn't Microsoft do that already with windows? Record the serial number? The sa...
Also, windows only takes your mobo into account for this AFAIK.
heady turtle
Doesn't Microsoft do that already with windows? Record the serial number? The sa...
The only thing is if a commercial key is being used suspiciously but that is detected during activation
fossil stirrup
They take graphics card as well. I know this because my old technet license transfered to my new PC at some point when I made a second emergency boot drive.
And the only part from my Z390 I moved to the Z690 was my RTX.
hasty sphinx
They take graphics card as well. I know this because my old technet license tran...
Yeah but having a different gpu in doesn't stop you from activating windows.
fossil stirrup
Oh, and the boot drive plays a part.
hasty sphinx
And the only part from my Z390 I moved to the Z690 was my RTX.
So not a single hard drive was plugged in whatsoever?
fossil stirrup
No. No Spindle drives what so ever. I added those days later.
heady turtle
And the only part from my Z390 I moved to the Z690 was my RTX.
Did you have a local or Microsoft Windows account tho
fossil stirrup
The portable I used to install windows caused an issue on one PC, because I forgot to disconnect it on my daughter's new PC, but Microsoft did an overide for me
heady turtle
Oh well if you kept the same windows install then that would do it to 🤣
fossil stirrup
I have had a technet and Microsoft account, a good 18 years now.
heady turtle
I have no idea what technet is
hasty sphinx
I have had a technet and Microsoft account, a good 18 years now.
So.. your Microsoft account is most likely the cause of all that stuff transferring over. Especially since you set up your windows connected to internet.
fossil stirrup
About 6 years ago,Microsoft ended the technet program. Programmers like myself, would pay a $600 fee each year, and it got us just about five of each Microsoft product. Full versions, with keys.
hasty sphinx
It's an IDE?
Whats this?
fossil stirrup
I have IDE mothballed. The old pin drives. Lately, ever since I fell in love with the NVME drives, I sorta call the SATA slow spindles. They seriously drag down my computers speed if I leave them connected
heady turtle
Whats this?
Integrated development environment e.g. visual studio (code)
Is Microsofts one, it's my fav
hasty sphinx
Integrated development environment e.g. visual studio (code)
Oh. This i think this is what I used in prison to code websites.
fossil stirrup
Visual studio, was one of the few not offered with technet.
hasty sphinx
It's like notepad++ yeah?
heady turtle
Uhh yes but it lets you run and compile your code
hasty sphinx
Uhh yes but it lets you run and compile your code
Right.
fossil stirrup
I love Notepad++. Thanks for reminder, I need to reinstall that lol.
hasty sphinx
I love Notepad++. Thanks for reminder, I need to reinstall that lol.
Get vsc
Its wayyyy better than notepad
fossil stirrup
Visual Studio better? I'll give it a shot. Never tried to load it off an NVME, and off a spindle, it loaded to slow for my taste.
hasty sphinx
Visual Studio better? I'll give it a shot. Never tried to load it off an NVME, a...
Loaded fast enough on HDD in the prison. Will be fast as heck on nvme
fossil stirrup
I use VS for rAythena, ServeUO and forgot the older mods I made with it. Been a while
hasty sphinx
I couldn't imagine coding with notepad++ now that I've used vsc
fossil stirrup
I never used notepad++ to code. Only edit and compare config files for games and servers.
heady turtle
Visual Studio better? I'll give it a shot. Never tried to load it off an NVME, a...
Vs code is great
fossil stirrup
I was introduced to notepad++ like almost 10 years ago, when I was working on a mod that required me to edit the load list, kept failing, because using Notepad did something to the file to mess it up, so the developer sent me a link to notepad++ which worked better at the time.
Pretty irksome. Can't even recall what it was. I didn't even know of Steam games back then.
hasty sphinx
I never used notepad++ to code. Only edit and compare config files for games and...
Idk toooooo much about notepad++ but with vsc, you can have multiple files open in 1 window that'll let you compare a lot easier.
fossil stirrup
Sounds like notepad++ with multiple tabs. Only thing annoying about it is when you want a separate window, for comparison. I found myself many a times having to load it in the first window, then tell it to open in another.
It never let me open a second one until it loaded in the first
Ultima Online, that was the game!!!
Knew I'd figured it out.
Brb
hasty sphinx
It never let me open a second one until it loaded in the first
Oh you can def load multiple vsc windows.
heady turtle
Yeah vsc has tabs like np++
keen nacelle
The 4079 12gb would've just about matched a 3090 ti, if they didn't unlanch it it would've been a 3090 ti with less vram at nearly twice the price you can find a 3080 12gb for used with 10% worse perf lmao
Idk what they were thinking with that
heady turtle
7900xt eng sample
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/715866136473763840/1036657573560066099/unknown.png
fading glacier
4080's cards at 2k incoming! D: nvidia what have you done!
at least 3 days for the amd reveal date 😄
wicked hound
The 4079 12gb would've just about matched a 3090 ti, if they didn't unlanch it i...
4069 12GB, don't forget that is perfing like 61% of 4090.
wicked hound
should*
It prolly will sell for >600
uncut glade
Since the 6950XT is a large card AMD gave brackets to help with GPU sag, but the adhesive really sucks I had to super glue the bracket to the case
hasty monolith
Since the 6950XT is a large card AMD gave brackets to help with GPU sag, but the...
How much was the 5950xt?
little pond
out of curiosity compared to a 1650 i currently have would it be an upgrade if i put in a AMD Rx 580?
uncut glade
How much was the 5950xt?
$800
hasty monolith
out of curiosity compared to a 1650 i currently have would it be an upgrade if ...
Its less than 100 percent difference. I would get any of the amd 6000 series if u r looking at amd
odd siren
LOL
Saw this result from a mile away
TL;DR ||Gen 3 barely affects the card, it would've barely benefitted from gen 5||
livid idol
Beat me to it lol
wicked hound
Just wait until PCMR Reddit gets a hold of the outlier and say that gen3 to gen4 gives 18% more perf, then demand for gen5 on 4090.
hasty monolith
What mobo uses pci 5 anyways
hasty monolith
Probably cost like at least 300
odd siren
I mean, for 12th gen it's just the main slot for the lower end
Some asus boards deck in gen 5 like maximus ones
Or strix
Those are expensive yeah
hasty monolith
Plus using ddr5 ram
odd siren
Yeah on those, but there are ddr4 boards too
hasty monolith
Wont 4090 suffer some bottleneck issues on pci 2?
odd siren
Yes, but 3090 won't
Wait
LOL
Numbers are too close together
3090 was proven to work on gen 2 just fine, and going by raw performance, a 4090 should be fine in a gen 3 system like intel 10th gen for example
If you wanted to use a 10900K at 4K with a 4090, it would be feasible
hasty monolith
Plus when 40 series and amd 7000 series gpus drop we would have repeat of 2020 so many bots
odd siren
2020 won't really repeat the same way
Before we had scalpers and crypto. Crypto is now officially dead
hasty monolith
Thank god 4 that
odd siren
Maybe it'll have a resurgence later but def not rn
hasty monolith
40 series its a bit out of my price range. And i cant wait that long 4 a gpu lol
odd siren
Just wait for current gen stuff to come down
That's all still powerful
6900XT's 3080 12gb and all that are still great for 1440p
All the way down to 1080p with RX6600's and 3060's
hasty monolith
6900XT's 3080 12gb and all that are still great for 1440p
I probably buy my 6900xt as soon the 6000 amd gpus get announced. Im afraid they get sold out
jagged birch
Hey I got a question if anyones got an answer can I use one pci-e cable for my gpu that requires me to have two connections
lone pond
this feels like a dumb question and I've asked a bit ab this
But like, may a % or an amount of fps on avg over a sum of games, how much better does the 6600 perform over the 570
odd siren
Hey I got a question if anyones got an answer can I use one pci-e cable for my g...
you can, but it's better safety to use two cables vs one cable with two connectors
jagged birch
you can, but it's better safety to use two cables vs one cable with two connecto...
I don’t have two cables it only has 1 pci-e cable
odd siren
I don’t have two cables it only has 1 pci-e cable
2 connectors?
odd siren
the context I need
it's hard to say one and done how much better but that should give a context of range
jagged birch
2 connectors?
Yes
odd siren
if you're still unsure, look up time spy scores for each gpu
lone pond
I guess, j trying to gague the worthitness
lone pond
at first I was j going to upgrade cause the 6600 is more pwer efficient, and being a bit faster, but
I can just undervolt my 570, whilist ocing
and probably be not that far out of reach
random walrus
6600 will still be a good deal faster than a 570
lone pond
how much is a good deal tho is what im tryna figure out
jagged birch
that'll work
Thanks for the help
odd siren
using time spy results the pinned sheet translates the same, the raw performance is about 2x better
lone pond
oh 💀
odd siren
time spy imo is not perfect but it's very close to true average performance
random walrus
You can also look up benchmarks on YT
lone pond
this is true but
odd siren
eh I'd still rely on Time spy scores imo
lone pond
I didn't find any direct comparisons from reliable sources, and of course, look at one from a reliable source, look at another from the same source, but then thats like
a year apart, where driver changes probably most def happened, and stuff
odd siren
I've been finding myself getting a pretty clear snapshot of raw performance using that one benchmark before reviews even come out of new cards
keen nacelle
how much is a good deal tho is what im tryna figure out
I'd shoot for a 6650xt
Though personally I'd upgrade cpu first
odd siren
they want the most power efficient they can get
keen nacelle
3000g not good
lone pond
they want the most power efficient they can get
^
keen nacelle
Pl a 6550xt
lone pond
💸 doing not so great atm, tis why I want to make sure the jump to the 6600 would be worth it at all over just oc/undrv my 570
lone pond
Or 6600xt on sale for 250
how much are either used rn, if they've even really hit used market yet
keen nacelle
Not sure
lone pond
Though personally I'd upgrade cpu first
another reason I'm going for gpu first is
keen nacelle
Depends specifically on your location
lone pond
another reason I'm going for gpu first is
ie: a game I [try to 💀] play compet, locks fps to refresh rate
but only 60hz suffers major input lag, my monitor has 75hz, but I cant use it cause its buggy on my hdmi to dvi adapter [dvi-d only 570, prolly a miner card]
hasty monolith
another reason I'm going for gpu first is
i rather get gpu asap before it sell out with black friday
fossil stirrup
If more companies took advantage of the abilities these new cards have, I might have purchased one.Most of the projects I work on, are basically Terraria and Ultima clones, none of which IMHO, take advantage of RTX. Only reason I got the ones my family owns now, is the depth they added to Minecraft. When I start working on my own game, I'll consider upgrading if I see enough out there, worth the investment for me
fossil stirrup
Are these $400 24gb RTX imports any good?
I'll grab an image when I check the system out tomorrow.
hasty monolith
6700 xt has maybe 10 percent better performance.
vital oriole
10-15 fps is big actually, but if you want to save it's not too bad i guess
fervent sedge
no one really benchmarked the 6700 non xt
it seems like a weird middle part
sort of the kind of card where you should either step down to the 6650 xt or step up to the 6700 xt
(us pricing)
hasty monolith
Nobody talks about base 6000 series gpu. Only the xt versions
fervent sedge
Nobody talks about base 6000 series gpu. Only the xt versions
rx 6600 i hear discussed a lot tho
cerulean rover
Nobody talks about base 6000 series gpu. Only the xt versions
Problem with 6700 is that it got released later without any big announcements and reviewers weren't sent a sample afaik
6600 and 6800 were released normally and have a decent amount of reviews
lone pond
oh just that? alr
lone pond
alr
odd siren
@wicked hound you'd be interested in this graph
Total die/cuda count for each card across each gen
wicked hound
Ye, basically what I have but visualized. Not amazing by itself tho cuz CUDA count isnt the entire picture for perf in the respective generation
oak rivet
Well 3060 vs 2070s sums it up
3060 on paper has much more cores but still seems to be a bit slower
wicked hound
perf comparisons are suppose to be intergenerational
If X card has Y% SMs of the top end card of its generation, it'll perf Z% of that top end card (also need to consider mem bandwidth, plus a little bit of core freq).
Basically context needs to be explained for that graph, cant be posted out of context.
oak rivet
Total die/cuda count for each card across each gen
This word sums up the graph
wicked hound
Ye, but still more explanation is ideal, else it can easily spread misinformation. Lots of people dont really know how to read that graph and understand what it means for perf.
But still interesting to see someone else did what I did but visualized
odd siren
Ye, basically what I have but visualized. Not amazing by itself tho cuz CUDA cou...
Indeed
Well I don't mean it in a way that it's the whole picture, just more fuel for all the statistical data you've been working on
Also 4090 HoF - 28+4, 80A or higher
As expected of a card for xoc tho
wicked hound
Getting proper perf data is really what I want to do next. But it's so time consuming cuz there isnt any easy way to scrape said data, it's all in video or image format
It was insanely apparent for the 4090, where many reviewers said average perf was 40% - 55% uplift from 3090 due to non-GPU limited scenarios messing up the data (closer to 73% from 3090 in GPU limited scenarios).
odd siren
ok tryna look closer at the pcb, I believe the HOF is still using the same 80A VRM. Beefiest VRM by far (Obviously) but my money is it's still 80A
oak rivet
Getting proper perf data is really what I want to do next. But it's so time cons...
probably one of the biggest lead for the 4090 i have seen
odd siren
Hay means the other skus incoming
wicked hound
But also existing SKUs. Lots of GPU data gets hecked by low occupancy workloads, always been a thing with new GPU releases.
Usually not to this degree tho
wicked hound
Based on my quickly compiled data, Resident Evil Village had the most uplift in raster with 2.01x/1.74x 3090/3090Ti perf (WD:L is 1.76x/1.64x 3090/3090Ti perf)
Highest perf uplift I've seen for raster
odd siren
on a related note some sites here are already starting to jack 4090 prices
I'm kinda glad I got in early, saw that coming
wicked hound
Availability isnt great at launch, usually normal
odd siren
Oh it's more the inflation here
it's out of control
groceries cost 2x more than they did on average just over a year ago
wicked hound
It'll prolly be fine mid-end of Q1 2023
well, MSRP "fine"
Also yeah, generally gotta do lot more hunting for grocery deals now-a-days or else you pay a million USD for a gram of low quality beef.
odd siren
pretty much
white bloom
how come my gpu isnt that hot sometimes when its above 90% utilization but gets fairly hot othertimes while staying around 60% utilization?
livid idol
Varying intensity of a given workload
Some things are harder to compute by nature
For example, Intel designed and later killed the intense AVX 512 partly because it was using so much extra power and producing so much more heat
wicked hound
Also different utilities calculate utilization differently. Task Manager does it based off current clocks, so if GPU is running in 2D clocks then it's easy to get 100% utilization.
fading glacier
plus ambient room temperature
some gpus kick the fans at 60c, so on full utilization the gpu is warmer, but on idle is borderline 60c
cause the fans are off
and the case is warm
lone pond
Yeston has a 3060 12gb for $210 rn
Check this out on @Newegg: Yeston RTX 3060 12GB GDDR6 LHR Graphics cards Nvidia pci express x16 4.0 video cards Desktop computer PC video gaming graphics card https://www.newegg.com/yeston-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-rtx-3060ti/p/1FT-007N-00069?Item=9SIAZUEHCM8909&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-9SIAZUEHCM8909-_-11022022
I think it's some kind of screw up
Hyperlink says 3060ti, and $210 is like
Well, what they should be at this point
But well under what they've been at
oak rivet
sold out
balmy magnet
Yeston has a 3060 12gb for $210 rn
was OOS now IS but $500
livid idol
!ddu
dreamy dragonBOT
DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU
livid idol
Also if you're overclocked undo that
wicked mortar
silly me didnt update my drivers for a year
hasty monolith
When is the amd stream 4 the new gpus?
heady turtle
Announcement is today iirc
fading glacier
in 85 minutes from now
elder carbon
https://youtu.be/hhwd6UgGVk4 who watch AMD new video cards release blown away
hasty monolith
Did they announce anything on the 7800? Im busy at work
heady turtle
7900xtx 1k
7900xt 900
Nvidia :
livid idol
viscid helm
livid idol
There's no way a 7900XT would lose to the 4080 16gb, it's supposedly close to the 4090, for cheaper than the 4080. Nvidia only has the feature advantage now.
This pretty much lines up with what I heard on the rumor mill. AMD saw Nvidia pushing 600W and said "if you want it that bad you can have it, but there is a cost".
lone pond
with the price points that the 7900xt and 7900xtx are at whats the prediction for the prices of 7700xt - 7800xt
random walrus
I'd guess 7800xt 800-750 and 7700xt 650-500?
though I'd guess midrange and lower end really depend on what Nvidia puts out
probably a 7800 non xt in between
lone pond
if 7700xt beats or matches a 3080 in the 500-600$ range that would be so nice
random walrus
Yeah last gen used prices and availability are going to make this gen pricing interesting
lone pond
so glad AMD pulled through this generation, sapphire nitro+ always been my favorite cards
fading glacier
holly molly
amd stomped nvidia
and that sync between amd cpus and gpus give a ryzen build some merit
61 tflops of raw power at 1k usd... daaaaamn
beats the 49 tflops of the 4080 and much cheaper
wicked hound
3060Ti/3090 have 16.20/35.58 FP32 tflops and 3060Ti has 45.5%/~58% tflops/raster of 3090 (mismatch in linear[?] tflops to perf in an intergenerational comparison).
6950XT/3090 have 23.65/35.58 FP32 tflops and are near same perf (mismatch in tflops to perf in a differing architecture comparison).
tflops arent an easy thing to get perf data from.
livid idol
What's impressive is the apparent 2x IPC increase
hasty monolith
i really dont have the cash for the 7900 cards rn. but a 6900xt still good 4 me. any 6000 series gpu is a huge increase in performance coming from a rx560
balmy magnet
yeah i figure the new cards, both AMD and Nvidia, will allow me to get a 6800 XT maybe a lil cheaper lol
hasty monolith
yeah i figure the new cards, both AMD and Nvidia, will allow me to get a 6800 XT...
probably buy my card next week due 4 fear they run out during black friday
everything else in my build could wait
fading glacier
dont think old gen will run out even on black friday
remember that bfriday is usually filled with overpriced items to appear as "bargain" that day
they raise prices one or two weeks in advance
odd siren
7900XTX impressed me today
It was enough of an uplift, and they decided to do the good thing and keep the price
Looking like Ampere/Navi 2x all over again
oak rivet
Looking like Ampere/Navi 2x all over again
maybe with time it will match the 4090
6900xt aged like fine wine and matched the 3090 in a lot of games at 1440p at the end
oak rivet
the perf uplift they showed in the presentations is not enough from a 6950xt to catch a 4090 tho
oak rivet
fair
odd siren
And boasting figures that could make parity with 4090 anyway
oak rivet
but yk matching the best gpu would create some mindshare for them
odd siren
Again, doesn't need to match, just needs parity
oak rivet
The pricing is quite good hope the stock is plenty as well
Probably the option I would go for
odd siren
Reference looks really nice
livid idol
Nvidia still has the feature set advantage. It's looking like the 6900XTX will beat the 4080 16GB while being cheaper, but only in pure raster. Throw RT into the mix and it's a wash, Nvidia across the board.
odd siren
Still very compelling regardless, 200 less for pure gaming performance
I do feel like that's going to chip away at team green on that one
wicked hound
What's concerning is that it doesnt look like AMD even got to Ampere RT perf. Slowly falling behind more and more is not a great sign.
odd siren
Ngl, the graphs in this are a neat idea for a snapshot at possible performance
To say it's well within 10% at $600 less is gonna look excellent for them
If that's how it really plays out
ivory gale
If the 4090 is still somehow sold out by the time 7900 xtx releases I'll definitly be kicking it to the curb
Already upset I haven't been able to buy one by this point with the supposedly incredible stock
Not worrying about house burning down is also a bonus
orchid loom
Amd looking nice
lone pond
Nvidia still has the feature set advantage. It's looking like the 6900XTX will b...
I feel most people gunning for ray tracing would be gunning for an nvidia card anyways though
At least currently
fading glacier
I feel most people gunning for ray tracing would be gunning for an nvidia card a...
just let them 😄 if they can find one ofc
for now 7900xtx seems on paper an awesome card for the price, able to almost match 4090 on raster at 1k is more than enough for me
keen nacelle
Mhm, very impressive especially if it's actually 400w without spikes
fading glacier
and not with that horrible hvpwr adapter
livid idol
355W for the reference model
fading glacier
amd went in hard and fast
fading glacier
355W for the reference model
still 100 less vs the fe card
livid idol
Yep
fading glacier
aibs could go as high as 400, dont think they will go anymore
and 3 pcie connectors 🙂
there are plus everywhere on the 7900xtx and the only con is the rt performance
the 4090 is the complete opposite
cons everywhere and the only plus is rt
livid idol
There could be more cons we don't know about yet, like stability issues with the new MCM
fading glacier
fading glacier
livid idol
There are potential benefits to using 7000 with 7000 using 7000 graphics to accelerate 7000 graphics
livid idol
Every previous attempt has fallen flat but hey it's only insanity if you expect a different result right?
fading glacier
indeed, that sync thing seem like a desperate sale point for the ryzen cpus, could work... if it works
productivity programs love cuda tho
livid idol
That's the whole reason I want an A380 is for the AV1
livid idol
Once Plex figures out how to leverage that 4k transcode will be a breeze
fading glacier
nvenc no more
seems like av1 will start to be available on some platforms next month
amd timed very well the launch date
heady turtle
and not with that horrible hvpwr adapter
Tbf it's just Nvidias adapter that's had issues, afaik corsair and cable mods have no issues
livid idol
A couple others have reported melted cables, not just early FE ones.
heady turtle
Iirc tho nv was sending their fe ones to aib partners
livid idol
It's primarily nvidia's adapter but others can have problems too
And new revisions of the FE adapter seem to be different so it was likely a pre-production QC issue
heady turtle
But yeah i still don't see how less 12v power is supposed to be able to pull 600w
livid idol
16awg cables can handle 100W each no issue, it's the connector that's always been the limit there
The limit and the failure point for that matter
Oh we've got a report of a native 12VHPWR connector burning
Seems legit from pics
At least the GPU itself seems salvageable
fading glacier
indeed pato, you are right, is the nvidia adapter the culprit here, we cant blame the third party mods yet.
still sad for nvidia to void the warranty of a 1600 expensive card if you use a mod adapter
the 4080 launch will be full of criticism... should be next week im guessing
heady turtle
still sad for nvidia to void the warranty of a 1600 expensive card if you use a ...
They did a similar thing with mining but like they can't tell unless you tell them
livid idol
They're going to ask though, and people that don't know will be voiding their own warranty by answering honestly
wicked hound
Have yet to see any proof that cable adapters void warranty. It's only a statement (recommendation) in the manual of what to do, nothing more.
white bloom
why arent the cables burning on the 30 series? dont they use the same connector?
fading glacier
mostly cause the quality of the solder work
on the new adapters
flimsy solder pads can crack easily while bending thus making false contact between the pad and the cable and that will produce resistance, resistance to heat and heat to melting plastic
worse yet, with the heavy insulation over the soldered part you can only guess if yours is working ok or if its already cracked inside because a little bending is enough to crack the solder if you had the bad luck to get one badly soldered
fading glacier
odd siren
Me am sadge
tall lichen
Stupid question, how do I make my gpu use 120w in every gaming session?
odd siren
By making the game always ridiculously diffficult to run
Always loading shaders always new scenes, stupid stuff like that
In other words you don't need it to run 120W all the time, just try and target 100% utilisation (not the same thing)
odd siren
Turn settings up if it's under 100%
You need to monitor it to see if it isn't
Tho it's a 120W card, you'll probably be running near 100% 1080p most of the time
tall lichen
I increased power limit at 20% and not always
tall lichen
odd siren
Sounding like an RX6600
tall lichen
It is
odd siren
Again, power consumption not relevant to full 100% usage
tall lichen
so set it to 98?
odd siren
A gpu adjusts it's power draw based on the dynamic load
tall lichen
Oh
I wonder why my frames are low
Maybe I need to do a clean install on my drivers
odd siren
Turn settings down if low fps
tall lichen
It's just that I thought this card was pretty strong
tall lichen
Battlefield 1 for example
I thought I would at least get more than 120fps in Medium settings but that doesn't seem to be the case on my end
tall lichen
Yes
odd siren
If a series S could likely do it then surely a 6600 could be within spitting distance of that
tall lichen
Right now I'm reinstalling drivers
fading glacier
civic lance
"...$999 card is not a 4090 competitor, which costs 60% more, this is a 4080 competitor." https://youtu.be/jKWwMY2qvlo?t=518
wicked hound
"...$999 card is not a 4090 competitor, which costs 60% more, this is a 4080 com...
It's inbetween. 4090 is ~174% raster perf of 3090 and 4080 is 75% raster perf of 4090, which puts 4080 at 131% raster perf of 3090. The 6950xt is just above the 3090, putting the 4080/4090 ~130%/~172% raster perf of the 6950xt. AMD only had three comparative raster tests showing 150%, 150%, and 170% of the 6950xt (they also gave a lot of raw FPS numbers which many people tried extrapolate to current hardware, but that is a very bad way to compare hardware due to different test environments). I'll consider the 7900XTX 155% of 6950XT for the time being, which puts it right in the middle of the ~130%/~172% perf points mentioned previously.
civic lance
It's inbetween. 4090 is ~174% raster perf of 3090 and 4080 is 75% raster perf of...
That's a ton of guesses and mental gymnastics. The leaked 4080 16GB game and synthetic benchmarks are all over the place and anywhere from 31% faster to 57% faster(without DLSS) than the 3090 depending on the benchmark or game. Some of the leaks also show the 3080 16GB consistently maintaining 3+ GHz through benchmarks and running much cooler than the 4090(of course it would) which helps maintain higher clocks. At this point, you can't make any semi accurate guesses until all the cards are released and independently benchmarked.
tall lichen
also, what CPU
I59600k and 16gb of ram
heady turtle
You have xmp enabled? Also 9600k is showing it's age a fair bit tbh
tall lichen
Yeah
wicked hound
That's a ton of guesses and mental gymnastics. The leaked 4080 16GB game and sy...
The leaked 4080 16GB game and synthetic benchmarks are all over the place...
Ah yes, all over the place. That's why there is only one outlier out of the many tests compared to the 4090...
civic lance
> The leaked 4080 16GB game and synthetic benchmarks are all over the place...
A...
Your image there shows the 4080 16 GB scores anywhere from 50% to 90% of the 4090's performance. Sure, most of them are in the 70ish% to 80ish% of the 4090 range, but we don't have detailed info about them or actual full release drivers. That's why we have to wait for accurate and reliable benchmarks.
wicked hound
Your image there shows the 4080 16 GB scores anywhere from 50% to 90% of the 40...
It's more then enough to know the rough estimate however. Not like the 4080 will perf 25% of the 4090 given this data
civic lance
There is still not enough data to say how the 4080 16GB will perform compared to the 7900 XTX. Especially when some of the things AMD was showing in the presentation(hitting FPS cap in certain games at 1440p) can be achieved with a 3090 ti.
wicked hound
There is enough data on Nvidia's side to know how GPUs will stack up roughly in mid - high occupancy workloads. There is however barely any on AMDs side, which is why I stuck with a conservative assumption.
ivory herald
still flint
What is with Newegg and their weird pricing of the 50 variants of the 6000 series GPUs?
heady turtle
What is with Newegg and their weird pricing of the 50 variants of the 6000 serie...
Wdym?
random walrus
I59600k and 16gb of ram
Battlefield games are known to be pretty CPU heavy so that could be part of the issue
If you put all your settings at low and the fps is still around the same you might be cpu bottlenecked
Or lower your resolution
tall lichen
I'm playing in 1080p
wicked hound
Interesting stuff. MPO apparently the issue with multimonitor "lag" from varying refreshrates.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/ykd372/remember_mpo_issues_with_nvidia_gpus_now_amd_is/
lavish rain
I recently put a pc together, RTX 3080, Ryzen 7 5800X, MSI B550 pro vdh Wi-Fi and a 750 gold certified psu but I’m currently not getting any display output, and the VGA light turns on
livid idol
Are the fans on the GPU spinning?
livid idol
Have you checked the basics, inserted completely into the slot, power cables connected tight on both ends, hdmi plugged into the gpu and not motherboard?
lavish rain
Yes we have even updated the bios on the motherboard because it’s a 5th gen
lavish rain
5000 series sorry
odd siren
Intel 13000 
livid idol
Are you using a riser cable on the GPU by chance @lavish rain ?
lavish rain
No, it’s connected directly to the PCie 4.0 slot
odd siren
PCIe 4000
livid idol
Try another slot next to help narrow things down
lavish rain
There’s only one
livid idol
Oh you got the B550M then?
lavish rain
Yes
livid idol
That limits options a bit. Do you have another computer or GPU to test with?
odd siren
B55000M
lavish rain
No not any other parts either
livid idol
I'd say the last thing to try is removing and re-inserting everything, maybe there's a bad contact
lavish rain
I’ve done that countless times but I can try one more
It worked, one of the RAM modules was trash
livid idol
Glad you figured it out, but sucks to have to send anything back
hasty monolith
Is 319 swift 6900xt better than 6900xt phantom gaming?
vapid bramble
Which way does air flow for a sapphire toxic to 6900xt cards fan? Does it push air out from the card or pull it in ?
odd siren
pull it in
vapid bramble
Having mine put in a chimney configuration behind the front of my case in a push pull with the cards fan facing towards the back of the case. I thought the aio fans would be blowing air on the back of the card and the cards fan would be blowing that air towards the back. Guy at the pc shop says fan in front pulls air so I am blocking air flow and sending all the hot air up at my cpu rad
odd siren
push out the sides
vapid bramble
Thanks
odd siren
if you're gaming @vapid bramble , the card sending hot air into the cpu rad is mostly negligible
it's like, 1 to 2C difference irl, negligible
won't make you faster or slower
vapid bramble
Thank you. He made it sound like I was melting my rad up there
livid idol
GN just uploaded a teardown too
balmy magnet
lol j2z uploaded a video with the evga 4090 es
that "not 4090" was cool looking imo, i would have tried for one of their 4080 or 4070 models
livid idol
4080 16gb has what, 56% of the compute cores? Is that what I saw? Pathetic really.
bitter heron
what would be a good pairing for a ryzen 5 5600x
odd siren
Anything up to a 3090 depending on the resolution really
bitter heron
ah ok
fading glacier
yup, literally any gpu
odd siren
Worry about the power supply you pair with it, not the gpu with that 5600X in there
bitter heron
i have a corsair rm750
odd siren
Nice, you're solid for anything
You could pick any gpu you want, just try and pick the cheap ones (bar ventus)
Hell even ventus in a pinch isn't bad just not great
bitter heron
i have 3 gpus in mind, the 3060 12gb, 3060TI and the 3070 (maybe)
fading glacier
any of those will go well
bitter heron
and i want better vr performance (i have a valve index)
im currently using a 2060 oc
bitter heron
ah nice
fading glacier
dont go 3060 12gb
bitter heron
ok
fading glacier
60ti and 70 are almost identical get the cheaper one
3060 12gb is bad compared to the other 2
bitter heron
ah ok
odd siren
What monitor you have?
bitter heron
a meh one
bitter heron
2 1080p and a 720p vertical monitor
odd siren
1080p@ what fps
bitter heron
60
bitter heron
60hz
odd siren
bitter heron
yea
odd siren
Yeah 3060Ti and no higher, would consider a budget monitor like a G24F as well to go with it
Or do RX 6600XT/6650XT
And use the extra to get a nice monitor
If you want to
bitter heron
i just wanna stick with nvidia because im just used to it
odd siren
Ok
bitter heron
i have a valve index and that runs at like 4k i think lol
odd siren
If you're only short vram maybe a used 2080 instead
bitter heron
well from the website im using it seems like to 80 is more expensive
im using pc part picker
odd siren
Nah you need to check around in places like r/hardwareswap
Used 2080 should be somewhere in the range of 300 usd
Probably less
bitter heron
ah, ide wanna get it new because ide have a warranty
odd siren
Ah
bitter heron
plus i wouldnt know if the previous owner was using it for mining and maxing it out
odd siren
Former miners who sell it are generally selling better cards
They take care of the card properly
Clean it, service it, run it in a controlled environment
cerulean rover
everything depends on the guy that used it
bitter heron
yea
odd siren
I would trust a miner bulk selling tho
cerulean rover
well maintained used mining card is the same as a well maintained used gaming card
odd siren
As long as the details are legit
fading glacier
any day of the week
bitter heron
it might just be safer to get it new so i think i might just go with the 2060ti
and i might as well get one with 3 fans because you cant have too much cooling lol
cerulean rover
3060ti is good
bitter heron
its $470 usd rn
oof
livid idol
You can get a used 3080 for that 💀
bitter heron
idk if its in good condition or not tho
if you could find me one thats in decent condition then ide totally get it
livid idol
I can find you a good one, my ebay-fu is decent
bitter heron
is stockx a good website? it seems a little sketchy to me but idk
odd siren
No
bitter heron
mk
odd siren
Stock X is a guaranteed scalp to begin with
livid idol
They do preorders and fulfill them 6 months later 
bitter heron
oof
ive been looking on ebay a little and buy it now 2080s are going for a lot and the cheap ones are not working ones
livid idol
Here's a good one https://www.ebay.com/itm/285030439836
livid idol
That seller has a lot of cards too for the same price if you want to look at their store
bitter heron
nice
livid idol
Do you have a Reddit account with a decent amount of karma?
livid idol
Cool you can use r/hardwareswap
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardwareswap/comments/yp75md/usatx_h_2_evga_3080_10gb_2_evga_750w_psus_msi/
They have boxes too if that's worth paying a little more
bitter heron
having the box for shipping is nice so you dont have to worry about the packaging
livid idol
I wouldn't worry about packing when it's from a big, reputable seller personally
Posts go up on hws all the time, a 3080 pops up every few hours. It could be worth getting notifications.
They go just as fast too
livid idol
If you want to go that route on hws definitely check the sub rules and wiki, they're pretty strict on everything
Helps both the sellers and the buyers avoid scams that way
bitter heron
whats a good ammount of karma? i have 572 karma
bitter heron
mines like 2 years old
mighty hornet
Lol when I woke up today I was like hell ya thats a Gigabyte Water-force in stock!
winged minnow
if anyone heres has a 4090, how does dlss 3 look like when u hit 60fps, 144 and 240
turbid garden
Hey
livid idol
if anyone heres has a 4090, how does dlss 3 look like when u hit 60fps, 144 and ...
It's better at higher fps because the AI frames are less noticeable, but it is very much a technology in its infancy.
dusk socket
was lucky enough to get the 4090 suprim liquid, is it great guys?
heady turtle
As long as you don't mind selling your kidneys
dusk socket
haha I used all my saving to buy it
civic lance
So far, all of the leaked RTX 4080 PCB photos all show 24 Gbps G6X memory modules from Micron. I guess that could mean some great memory overclocking and a good performance boost if its true with the production models.
zenith hound
Is a 6700xt compatible with a 650w
livid idol
I answered them in #building-and-recc-chat it's a RMx
hasty monolith
Between 3080 4 680usd, 6800xt 4 600usd and 6900xt for 670 usd which gpu should i get only gaming pc with 5600 cpu and 32 gig ram
vital oriole
i would do 6900xt if you don't care about dlss
hasty monolith
i would do 6900xt if you don't care about dlss
Never had a nvidia card b4
I missed out on the deal yesterday for 6800xt for 516 usd sold out
tardy lance
wtf thays a steal lw
radiant panther
Are Maxsun cards any good or stay away?
fading glacier
¯_(ツ)_/¯
cursive otter
What makes a ZOTAC less expensive than an ASUS card? Other than the popularity of the manufacturer? Quality of the parts used? RGB parts vs none. amount of fans? lol
livid idol
Are Maxsun cards any good or stay away?
Often scam cards, you buy a "1050 ti" and it's a 710 in disguise
quartz gull
Is $1900 for a zotac trinity 4090 terrible?
quartz gull
Often scam cards, you buy a "1050 ti" and it's a 710 in disguise
More commonly a gts 450
odd siren
Is $1900 for a zotac trinity 4090 terrible?
Are you playing at 4k?
quartz gull
4K 144hz
quartz gull
My friend needs my 3080 for his build and I thought I'd get a 4090 by now
I have been early morning microcenter 8 times no luck
Someone is selling a Trinity model for $1900 locally so I figured I may.
I'm giving my friend my 3080 for $400
quartz gull
It's sealed in box with receipt
quartz gull
Ill do it when I pick it up tomorrow
He's forcing me to pick up at police station anyways so it'll be easy to avoid conflict too
quartz gull
The GPU is kinda 73 miles I doubt anyone will want to come drive with me for that LOL
odd siren
Make it worth their time lol
quartz gull
Still cheaper for that + gas than the cheapest more local 4090
Microcenter Denver has gotten like no 4090's
Most restock mornings they get 2-5 cards and people start lining up around 5-6 am
One day they only got 2 cards in with like 30-40 of us in line
quartz gull
For 4090 should I plug in all 4 PCIE or should I do just 3?
To do the 4th PCIE I have to remove 1 8 pin from CPU and reallocate that slot
odd siren
You'll want to plug all 4 in to unlock the full power
Or alternatively get a custom adapter that is still arguably safer like a 3x8 to 16 cablemod
Most importantly make sure the connector is fully seated
odd siren
Most importantly make sure the connector is fully seated
Further investigation is revealing that a lot of the cases of melting power has to do with the connector not being all the way in (connector and cables)
It's a really tiny connector, and requires a significant amount of force to be properly inserted
About as big as a 1x8
Then you need to make sure the cables are pushed in too so they make proper contact
livid idol
This shouldn't have been a problem to begin with... when you design something for the open market it needs to be foolproof
odd siren
Oh ofc
No one denies that, it's a bad design
But inform the masses and you can avoid more incidents
We'll be seeing this for the 4070 Ti and 4080 too soon
odd siren
@livid idol
toxic umbra
Have had my EVGA RTX 3070 XC3 now for a few months...want a base OC on the card but nothing crazy...recommendations for settings within either EVGA Precision X1 and/or MSI Afterburner?
oak rivet
well max out the core voltage,temp and power limit then go upwards in increments of 15 for core and 100 for memory until you find your max stable
do core and memory separetely
simple
toxic umbra
well max out the core voltage,temp and power limit then go upwards in increments...
Okay, from my understanding, those utilities, specifically afterburner will only allow the sliders to go to the max settings correct? Only one i've adjusted is power so far and afterburner will only let me take it to 113%..so i'm thinking that it knows what the limit is for the card
oak rivet
yes
hasty monolith
Can 6800 do 4k60 gaming
oak rivet
Can 6800 do 4k60 gaming
If you keep your expectations in check and dial down some quality settings it can
hasty monolith
Or shpuld i get the xt version
oak rivet
Xt version would do much better yes
hasty monolith
Xt version would do much better yes
Xt i wouldnt need to dial down settings much
oak rivet
Too a lesser degree to achieve 4k60
hasty monolith
Im just comparing us prices on which gpu 2 get between 6800, 6800xt and 6900xt. Rn the price between 6800xt and 6900xt is less than 100 bucks. All the under 540 6800xt are currently sold out
oak rivet
Im just comparing us prices on which gpu 2 get between 6800, 6800xt and 6900xt. ...
What's your total budget?
To meet your tall order of 4k60 a 7900xtx would be worth waiting for
hasty monolith
What's your total budget?
1500 to 2000 usd
oak rivet
1500 to 2000 usd
For only a gpu?
hasty monolith
For only a gpu?
Pc build. Gpu is under 700usd
oak rivet
Pc build. Gpu is under 700usd
you could do this now or wait and get a 7900xtx instead of 6900xt
hasty monolith
you could do this now or wait and get a 7900xtx instead of 6900xt
Not really im upgrading from i5-4670k and rx560 2gb
Im more knowledgeable about amd than intel cpus
oak rivet
i dont see how that relates to anything
hasty monolith
I prefer amd over intel my bro and friends all have amd cpus they have nothing but good things 2 say about the ryzen series
Plus as long i dont have bottleneck at 4k. I also have a 4k monitor
Have a series x as well
oak rivet
well whatever platform you go make sure gpu is the last thing you skimp on coz 4k is freaking hard to drive
hasty monolith
well whatever platform you go make sure gpu is the last thing you skimp on coz ...
Agreed. 300 for the cpu is a bit much. I rather get a cpu under 200 that works with little bottleneck at 4k
oak rivet
Agreed. 300 for the cpu is a bit much. I rather get a cpu under 200 that works...
that can be done
hasty monolith
Thanks. I rather get 850w psu just in case
oak rivet
Thanks. I rather get 850w psu just in case
thats completely upto you just make sure its a good quality one like that 750 one
hasty monolith
thats completely upto you just make sure its a good quality one like that 750 o...
Gf1 thermaltake
@oak rivet any reeason why should i not get ryzen 5 5600
oak rivet
Gf1 thermaltake
pretty good and will get the job done fine
hasty monolith
Thanks
odd siren
@hasty monolith same list same quality but cheaper
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cpRtqm
hasty monolith
<@730110461692870690> same list same quality but cheaper
https://pcpartpicker.c...
Do i need the extra fans? Im getting the antec df700.
odd siren
Not really no, I just polished up the other list, didn't know if you wanted more or not
Don't need them
hasty monolith
The anetc has 3 120mm front fans, 1 back fan and bottom fan between gpu and psu blowing to the gpu
Is that good
odd siren
That's fine
hasty monolith
Only thing i worry is the availability of either 6800xt or 6900xt that have the 2 free games amd bundle for the right price lol
proper egret
Been thinking of getting a 3090 Ti, but with all the problems with the new 4090 and the announcement of the new AMD cards, should I wait a little while? I dont need an upgrade right away, but I am thinking about it
keen nacelle
Been thinking of getting a 3090 Ti, but with all the problems with the new 4090 ...
3090 ti not worth unless under $850, id wait for 7900xtx release
$1000 for better than 4080 perf
Well, supposedly. Can't guarantee anything
proper egret
3090 ti not worth unless under $850, id wait for 7900xtx release
Alright, sounds good. Thanks my friend
keen nacelle
Np. Could also look at used 3080s
$550 for 12% worse than 3090 ti perf
Unless you need 24gb of vram for workstation tasks ig
proper egret
I currently have a 3080 actually. I am mostly wanting to upgrade mainly cause of some hobbies I have been getting into
proper egret
Unless you need 24gb of vram for workstation tasks ig
Pretty much that
keen nacelle
Ahh
Yeah I'd aim for a 4090 as an upgrade, amd cards historically haven't been great for workstation tasks
Or used 3090/ti
proper egret
Yeah I'd aim for a 4090 as an upgrade, amd cards historically haven't been great...
Gotcha, my worries with the 4090 is the cable issues I have been hearing and seeing, plus some features just not existing, yet they will on AMD cards
keen nacelle
The cable issue is a non issue, taking proper precautions fixes it. Could also get an atx 3.0 psu, I believe those don't have the issue at all
There are some features on 7000 series that are nice. What exactly are you doing?
proper egret
Been getting into machine learning stuff, and just general things like game developing to give a brief idea
keen nacelle
Unless amd made it better with 7000 series, you want a nvidia card
proper egret
Yea figured as much
keen nacelle
6000 series and previous gens have been really bad for machine learning and most workstation tasks
proper egret
Gotcha, well thanks for your help my friend, its very much appreciated!
keen nacelle
Happy to, feel free to ping me or dm me if you need any more help, or just ask here. Plenty of other people who know better than I do as well
proper egret
Will do, thanks again
fading glacier
microcenter has the prices for the 4080s, daaaaamn son, those are helluva expensive for what they are
hasty monolith
microcenter has the prices for the 4080s, daaaaamn son, those are helluva expens...
How much 2k?
winged minnow
if positive preassure is better than negative preassure, when a build has one fan, why is it always exaust?
keen nacelle
bc otherwise the hot air won't be able to leave the case