hey, thats my line
#graphics-cards
fading glacier
fading glacier
hollow zephyr
can anyone tell me if that $200 gift card is included in that $779 or no
pls <33
fading glacier
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3QQfRv this is the 6900xt version from felix, very good as well
fading glacier
can anyone tell me if that $200 gift card is included in that $779 or no
yes and no, the 200 gift card will be e-mailed to you 4 days after your purchase
so you will pay full price and the card can be used later
on other things
hollow zephyr
so basically its $579 π₯Ά
fading glacier
again, yes and no... its 779 but those 200 can be used to purchase other things on newegg
marble plume
hollow zephyr
bet thank you
orchid loom
so my monitor is hdmi and my gpu is display port will this work for whatt i need
onn. DVI Male to HDMI Female Bi-Directional Adapter is bi-Directional good
orchid loom
nevermind i got something
hot bough
My gosh, seems the 4090 Strix is gonna be massive, even next to the fe.
odd siren
odd siren
I have to delete link cos profanity in title click it pls
hot bough
Got it.
odd siren
It'll be good but it's basically looking like the most overkill air card
It's probably volume wise 2x over an ampere strix lol
Looking like it has 120mm fans almost
hot bough
It's so big that I am wondering if anyone's gonna make an Waterblock for it.
odd siren
This is conjecture but consider it some ridiculous size
Waterblock would be very small actually
The pcb would be easily less than 50% of that card
hot bough
Oh because it just needs to fit the PCB right?
odd siren
Ya
hot bough
I almost want to buy that just for shiz and gigsgles.
orchid loom
FE looks bigger
odd siren
Nah aorus by all accounts bigger
hot bough
Unless the Strix costs over 1900 I am gonna go with aorus probably.
hot bough
Wait, would the Aorus even fit inside a case like a Fractal Torrent?
hot bough
Massive case = massive GPU.
orchid loom
Fractal Torrent probably the only case
011 evo
odd siren
For the first time the torrent will have a respectable amount of technology inside it and won't look like a chamber
orchid loom
For the first time the torrent will have a respectable amount of technology insi...
How dare you
vital oriole
^
orchid loom
Nah o11 evo could possibly have issues
Nah
odd siren
The cables might be squished on glass
orchid loom
Just shove it in
odd siren
And cause terminal bridging and melted 12vhpwr? No thanks lol
orchid loom
There's no melting lol
hot bough
Strix could very well cost over 1900
Hopefully not. I really wanna get my hands on it for the Cyberpunk aesthetics.
orchid loom
Well there was but in Prototype its all fixed now
odd siren
Lol
orchid loom
Linus said something about it
vital oriole
it's to do with bending in extreme angles
keen nacelle
7000d airflow would fit one
odd siren
I trust Linus as far as I can throw Linus
keen nacelle
I'd imagine p500a and 5000d airflow too
vital oriole
high power interrupted is easy nightmare
odd siren
I trust cultists more
orchid loom
I trust cultists more
Well they said it was a lie too
keen nacelle
I trust Linus as far as I can throw Linus
How far is that?
Did you use multiple tests to find an average distance?
odd siren
Haven't tried 
odd siren
But considering my waterblocked 3090 has the cables almost against the o11 evo glass rn, I definitely feel the aorus 4090 will have issues
orchid loom
Hm
odd siren
I'll even throw money down
orchid loom
Well sips 3090 looks fine
odd siren
That strix is tiny
orchid loom
orchid loom
Brb
hot bough
What do you guys think the perf will be on the Aorus compared to fe?
odd siren
Strix 3090 is like a 315mm card, aorus 4090 is way longer and wider
odd siren
What do you guys think the perf will be on the Aorus compared to fe?
No idea
Wait until the day before release, that's when reviews are out
hot bough
I just realized, will the torrent's built in sag, be ae to support such a fat GPU?
keen nacelle
What do you guys think the perf will be on the Aorus compared to fe?
Within 3% without ocing
hot bough
Within 3% without ocing
After OC?
keen nacelle
Just talking actual perf, not cooling wise
orchid loom
I'm gunna cry
keen nacelle
Oc varies much more, one specific fe 4090 could oc to better perf than an oced strix
hot bough
Because of the silicon lottery right?
keen nacelle
But id say on average within 6-8%, though I'm not super into ocing
Others like sips, forks or pato could tell you better than I could
hot bough
Hmmm got it.
keen nacelle
But the main difference between different models is cooling
Well, also how many pcie power cables they have, But I'm not sure how that'll work with 40 series
odd siren
Since all the vrms on these models seem to be over built there's a good chance silicon lottery is more the difference than ever
keen nacelle
With 30 series there's 1 pin and 2 pin 3060 tis and 3070s
The 2 pins oc better since they can take more power
My 3060 ti is a single pin but still won the lottery, so it ocs very well
But if it was a two pin model instead with the same lottery, it would be a good bit better
hot bough
I guess it all really all comes down to cost on these GPUs, if it's more then 1,999 then I am in no way spending that but if it's like 1,799 then I will probs get it.
odd siren
Strix non OC might be 1799
hot bough
That will be the final factor on which one I buy.
hot bough
Does OC allow more power draw?
odd siren
No
keen nacelle
Yes and no
odd siren
I mean they're both gonna be 4090's
keen nacelle
You can turn up the power limit
orchid loom
Welp time to buy a new case
odd siren
Lol Kenzie
Just don't get an aorus
That cooler is a meme
Effective meme but a meme
hot bough
What's the difference between oc and non oc?
odd siren
What's the difference between oc and non oc?
Binning
keen nacelle
A very slight factory overclock
orchid loom
Just don't get an aorus
No
keen nacelle
My card has a +100 mhz overclock on the vram
Or maybe 75, I forget
But it doesn't affect perf much, very tiny difference
orchid loom
Meh I'll have to see price of arous if it's much higher then FE I'll just buy FE
odd siren
On Ampere the non OC skus had a specific different die, it was due to binning
The non OC chips would usually not scale as well
hot bough
So if I wanna OC I'd be better off getting an OC variant of the Strix of Aorus?
hot bough
I am confused.
odd siren
With an OC variant you pay for the clock gains
Perf wise you're not really gaining much
hot bough
Got it.
odd siren
Bit like paying for a K sku intel chip
hot bough
And I am assuming I can achieve those same clock gains by just OCing the non OC GPU?
odd siren
If it scales that far sure
hot bough
Got it.
odd siren
If Ampere and Turing is any way to consider it then it prolly won't reach the OC sku levels but it's fine
Again, it's a 4090
It's gonna be pretty ridiculous for any monitor you use rn
fading glacier
quartz gull
Let's go Asus only recommends 850 watt PSU with up to a 12900k so
My PSU should be fine for 4090 ig
celest thorn
ik that my 750W will not be ok 
wooden helm
There is a xfx rx570 8gb for $100 local to me is it worth it not looking for much out of it just using my old pc parts to build another pc for regular use
wooden helm
Idk how much those older cards even go for why I was asking
heady turtle
My PSU should be fine for 4090 ig
mighty sonnet
What are the chances Newegg does a lottery system instead of being able to buy the cards outright this time around?
heady turtle
What are the chances Newegg does a lottery system instead of being able to buy t...
Very small since there's not a shortage anymore
mighty sonnet
Interesting. Because microcenter is most likely doing a lottery system which sucks so I wanted to try my hand at buying online
Just hoping the cards donβt immediately sell out in sub 30 seconds
wicked hound
I'm still highly skeptical of it being a 4070 tbf. But Nvidia man has but a tiny bit of hope in me.
heady turtle
I'm still highly skeptical of it being a 4070 tbf. But Nvidia man has but a tiny...
At 50% the cores of the 4090 idc how good it performs it's not an 80
wicked hound
At 50% the cores of the 4090 idc how good it performs it's not an 80
No I'm saying I don't even think it's a XX70 card, but Nvidia man has put some hope in me for being an actual XX70 card (scaling can potentially work differently from SER and bi directional warp scheduler).
keen nacelle
Well, another outlook could be that the 4090 isn't a 90
We don't really know what the engineering was like, maybe originally the 4090 was much slower and similar to the 4080 16gb
wicked hound
Well, another outlook could be that the 4090 isn't a 90
Potential depends on if 4090Ti has 24Gbps memory binning. Have to see how much mem bandwidth matters with different arch (should still matter a fair bit cuz UHD class card).
heady turtle
No I'm saying I don't even think it's a XX70 card, but Nvidia man has put some h...
Yeah in my head it's a 60 ti but I'm giving it a little faith
Also isn't 4080 12gb like 196 mem bus or something
Same as 3060 size or something: π€‘
wicked hound
Can't just look at bus width, need to look at mem bandwidth (bus width, mem type, mem clock).
But still around XX60 - XX60Ti area for mem bandwidth compared to full die card.
heady turtle
Can't just look at bus width, need to look at mem bandwidth (bus width, mem type...
Ik it's just funny
fading glacier
Just hoping the cards donβt immediately sell out in sub 30 seconds
they probably will anyway, but the restock will be good in some weeks
solemn panther
No I'm saying I don't even think it's a XX70 card, but Nvidia man has put some h...
I'm one hundred percent sure it's a 4070. Looks at the overwatch 2 chart that was released earlier. The difference in fps between a 3070-3080 reflects what we see in the current gen.
fading glacier
streamers and influencers will buy those anyway
mighty sonnet
they probably will anyway, but the restock will be good in some weeks
not trying to wait weeks tbh
but i hear ya
fading glacier
well, time to camp then
mighty sonnet
well idk if microcenter is doing lottery or first come first serve
that's the bigger problem tbh
mighty sonnet
dont mind camping but allegedly the brooklyn microcenter based off of what one of the mods in the discord said, is doing lottery
but gonna go down and see for myself
fading glacier
there is a large large stock
no chance of a lottery
no crypto winter, no chip shortage anymore
but probably first come first serve and 1 per customer
so, camping tent
mighty sonnet
we shall see
fading glacier
this "lottery" thing seems to be a way to build hype, at least to my eyes, because the 40 series had a bad reception from the public and they fear that the sales will be bad, much as the ryzen 7000 was
just my opinion
the "unboxing" thing... another way to create hype
wicked hound
I'm one hundred percent sure it's a 4070. Looks at the overwatch 2 chart that wa...
Not really, it actually provides more proof for my graph I made a little while ago. The 4080-12/4080-16 are 61%/77% of the 4090, and the 4090 is probably around 90% of the full die card. Basically more proof that the 4080-12/4080-16/4090 are 55%/69%/90% of the full die card. Which again makes the listing XX60Ti/XX70Ti/XX80Ti. I do want to believe Nvidia man, but my doubt are high.
solemn panther
Hhhhhmmmm
solemn panther
Not really, it actually provides more proof for my graph I made a little while a...
Where's the graph that you made?
wicked hound
Where's the graph that you made?
Memory bandwidth percentage for 4080-12/4080-16 are a bit off as I was comparing it to 4090 bandwidth instead of 4090Ti bandwidth
#graphics-cards message
solemn panther
Memory bandwidth percentage for 4080-12/4080-16 are a bit off as I was comparing...
the raw performance according to the graph you made still points out that the 12gb is leaning more to being 4070 . between the 3070 and 3080 its 23 percent, while the 12g is only 20 percent behind the 16gb version. that's very close.
im just using simple math here lol
currently basing this on the full die btw
wicked hound
the raw performance according to the graph you made still points out that the 12...
What do you mean? Both the 4080-12 and 3060Ti have 55%/~43%/44% of perf/core/memory of their respective full die flagship (remember to calc mem bandwidth percentage as graph shows wrong bandwidth percentage for 4080s).
If you're talking about how the 4080-12 is about 80% perf of 4080-16, the 2060 is about 86% of the perf of the 2070 and that doesnt make the 2070 a 2080 and the 2060 a 2070.
That kind of relative comparison would only work if the 4080-16 is a XX80 class card. However current proof shows that it's a XX70 - XX70Ti card.
If reviews prove that to be wrong then that'd be cool. However I only have what's available rn, which is certainly making the situation look pretty grim.
odd siren
Nvidia changing the nomenclature to get away with offering an even higher tier again
Irregardless of reviews you still have a huge amount of the die left for a true titan sku and that thing won't be cheap
Hopefully price/perf is better tho
wicked hound
All current Ada SKUs have the same perf/$ basically, and seems to start off at current price 3090 perf/$
odd siren
We need to see reviews really
If they stack up with good raster perf then it's not really a loss, it's basically conjecture until we know
But these little details yeah don't inspire a lot of confidence in the future
fading glacier
Yup regardless of your comparison nvidia is changing the whole range to make the 4090 completely on a halo level compared to the 4080 sadly. That way it will make it "powerful" instead of a waste of money like the 3090 was compared to the 3080
hot bough
The more I look at the Gigabyte Aorus 4090 the more I am actually considering it knowing it will fit in the torrent.
hot bough
BIGGER MORE BETTER
YAZZ!
Ngl, I kinda wanna see what Nvidia can do if they had a limit of 2m long for a GPU.
Like what kind of a monster could they make.
No power limits.
Just size.
odd siren
The board isn't even that big tho
hot bough
The board isn't even that big tho
I know.
odd siren
In that aorus I'd wager the board would be like, sub 40% maybe even sub 30% lmfao
hot bough
The board itself is like a 3rd of the aorus's size right?
odd siren
The board itself is like a 3rd of the aorus's size right?
That's an educated guess based on what we know the FE PCB size is
hot bough
Also, I think the aorus could really flush out the torrent justifying the space inside of it.
hot bough
That's an educated guess based on what we know the FE PCB size is
Thanks.
fading glacier
BIGGER MORE BETTER
the more you spend the more you save π
idle idol
is anyone have issues with 22.10.1 drivers for AMD Graphics Cards?
wicked hound
Yup regardless of your comparison nvidia is changing the whole range to make the...
I mean 3090 was just a new class tier. The only major tier change previously is XX70 to XX70Ti (view my chart for reference). It was just released pretty early.
fading glacier
yup, as i said sadly that looks like nvidia new mentality π¦ they failed hard making the 3090 as a halo card but only 10-12% better than the 3080 rendering the card a waste of money, from 800 to 1500. This time... they are not making the same mistake, now the 4090 looks miles ahead of "4080" and even more from the "4070"
like i read somewhere: the 4090 packs 70% more features than the 4080 but cost only 33% more
remains to be seen if those 70% features translate very well to performance against the 4080
wicked hound
like i read somewhere: the 4090 packs 70% more features than the 4080 but cost o...
Not really. All of Ada is at the same-ish perf/$ going by current info
fading glacier
yeah im not sure about performance as well, thats why i said 70% more features, like cuda cores, tensor, rt, things like that
but dont know how well those features will translate to raw performance
this leak tho......
effin chinese xD
fading glacier
looks like 40% perfromance increase over the 4080
hot bough
effin chinese xD
Rude.
fading glacier
still... leaks
solemn panther
effin chinese xD
watch it plz 
fading glacier
solemn panther
That kind of relative comparison would only work if the 4080-16 is a XX80 class ...
i see
so its a bit under
odd siren
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-3dmark-scores-leaked-at-leas...
Sold
I can do 4K 144 with that
And also use moonlight for on the go 
FV43U gonna be able to be used properly
fading glacier
indeed it will
solemn panther
@wicked hound i'm no techie 
fading glacier
solemn panther
when i look at the leak, it seems getting a 4080 16gb makes no sense for me anymore
fading glacier
getting a 4080 makes no sense in any scenario
fading glacier
you either get a 4090 or stick to a 30 series
odd siren
fading glacier
nothing in between
why you should waste 1200usd for so little gain over a 700 card?
odd siren
you either get a 4090 or stick to a 30 series
"Introducing the 4090 Ti for 1999"
solemn panther
you either get a 4090 or stick to a 30 series
thiis
fading glacier
the gap itslef is pretty massive
and that gap will increase even more with better drivers
guaranteed
solemn panther
the strix
fading glacier
we dont talk about that on this discord
odd siren
Why does the strix gotta look so weird again
fading glacier
suprim or bust
fading glacier
yeah the tuf looks kinda nice
fading glacier
thr brix on jayz video? naaaa literally a brix
fading glacier
yup
i will get the air cooled one tho
dont like 240 rads for my 5000x
360, yes
solemn panther
@wicked hound now that i see the differences while doing more research, youre right about the 16gb version being more of a 70ti tier card. the gap is too large from the 4090.
fading glacier
i will get a waterforce IF somehow appears on egg page
odd siren
Indood
fading glacier
have most of my cash on paypal tho
solemn panther
i was blind, now i can see
fading glacier
have to say it, the waterforce looks kinda.... nice
saw the reviews of the 3090ti version
haha loud pump π
solemn panther
it does look nice
fading glacier
The tuf looks almost like a frame more than a shroud
and this is why it looks beautiful to me
no "brick" looks, more like an "open case" looks
looks... different
odd siren
Oh lord the surprim x is gorgeous
odd siren
If it runs 240 then it's still poggers
solemn panther
Oh lord the surprim x is gorgeous
if u vertical
fading glacier
fading glacier
if i put a 240 on a 360 space... i will have to fill with something that last 120 hole
it will look.... strange
fading glacier
odd siren
I think that surpim is nicer than the FE
fading glacier
it is
wicked hound
<@207156621531545600> now that i see the differences while doing more research, ...
There is still some hope. Things can get weird with SER and the bidirectional warp scheduler. But my hope isn't that high.
fading glacier
personally.... i dont like that single fan there
the waterforce wins on that regard
preferred a solid shroud instead
odd siren
Ah I kinda like the fan
That's a vrm fan btw
Might also do memory
Haha gigabyte's demo footage still has gpu sag even in vertical wth
fading glacier
yeah i know that, but still a solid solution like the waterforce made should look better
cooling everything with the coldplate
fading glacier
Haha gigabyte's demo footage still has gpu sag even in vertical wth
wth, thats like 10 degrees
solemn panther
lol
wicked hound
What's sad is that isn't even a good way to pick up heavy objects.
vital oriole
LOL
fossil stirrup
What's sad is that isn't even a good way to pick up heavy objects.
No, the 100% correct way to pick up a heavy object so you don't injure yourself, is to direct someone else to do it for you. π
idle idol
did AMD stop producing RX 6700 XT Reference Cards?
nvm they did back in December of 2020.
urban zenith
Unsure if this is for this chat or cooling, but does anyone know how to adjust the fan curve for my 2080Ti? I've attempted to adjust it in MSI Afterburner, but it idles at 1300rpm, then maxes out in any game (3300~rpm), regardless if I manually set or have a curve.
dense cliff
Is it safe to use your phone as a level when installing an anti-sag peg? Didnt know if a phone has magnets or something in it that could mess with the circuitry.
keen nacelle
If a phone had magnets strong enough to mess with a pc, it wouldn't work
livid idol
Is it safe to use your phone as a level when installing an anti-sag peg? Didnt k...
Keep in mind phone gyroscopes aren't super accurate and need to be calibrated occasionally
It'll get you close enough though
late ferry
when will the benchmark reviews for the 4090 release?
heady turtle
Probably tomorrow or Wednesday
late ferry
Probably tomorrow or Wednesday
awesome, i wanted to ask another question, there are these videos on youtube that are like RTX 4090 Vs 3090, tested in games, are those videos real or?
heady turtle
awesome, i wanted to ask another question, there are these videos on youtube tha...
Not yet just leaks
Leeks?
Which one's the vegetable
normal hawk
You got it right
hasty sphinx
vital oriole
lmao
muted slate
We were heading in the direction of making desktop computers smaller and more efficient. Now we're going backwards 
ivory herald
Looks.like photoshop in that der bauer pic.
oak rivet
is it normal for a 2070super to be closer in perf to the 3060ti rather then the 3060 non ti
heady turtle
Nope should be way closer to 3060
keen nacelle
I'm assuming that doesn't include dlss?
For the cost compared to what you can get a 3080 or 3090 for now, especially used, that's kinda sad
Maybe dlss is what nvidia was betting on for perf gains this gen?
heady turtle
I'm assuming that doesn't include dlss?
Nope raster
odd siren
To me dlss 3 is the hinge point for these carda
If it's as ridiculous as claimed that's a big boost
heady turtle
It's good but again it requires a full code into game so fairly limited
keen nacelle
Yeah, I think 7000 series will be the way to go if they beat 40 series in raster
odd siren
Haha OC'd the FE does 666.6W
This is cursed
We should remember these benchmarks are done without the 33% power scaling
These numbers are holding up over 3090 non-ti
2x over regular 3090
The card is bottlenecking at 1440p wtf
I didn't think that would actually be true
heady turtle
It go brr
odd siren
The results are impressive for stock
I made the guess of 1440p bottlenecking but didn't expect that to be more than true
This is a 4K card completely
Unless everything is used with RT kekw
heady turtle
Lets go arc
heady turtle
Interesting 6900xt doing better than 3070 in rt
odd siren
RT perf gets a lot more hate than deserved on AMD lol
keen nacelle
Amd ceo confirmed a December launch for 7900xt
late ferry
So I havenβt watched any videos yet
But based on what you guys saw
Is the card great and worth it?
odd siren
If you drive 4K at the right size screen then yes, you could consider it worth doing but it's still a halo card at a halo price
Without a doubt it's a workstation card still
For normal people 1440p is enough, and you shouldn't use a 4090 for that
You run into cpu bottlenecks with a 4090 at 1440p
fading glacier
it's a.... controversial card
odd siren
So ultimately the cpu is the more pressing upgrade
late ferry
I mean, i am the type of guy who wants to play in 4k with the max graphics possible and get minimum of 80 fps but i do hope to get over 100
odd siren
But that depends what kind of 4K monitor you'd plan to use
If it's anything conventional then no
fading glacier
who wants? or who plays?
late ferry
Well not a 4k monitor, i am planning on using the LG Cx oled tv for gaming
I have the 55 inch version
odd siren
A CX isn't really good for a PC
late ferry
It isnt
odd siren
You get burn-in issues
late ferry
Bur its only for gaming
odd siren
After like 6 months lol
I would suggest an alternative if you have the room for it
Not a new 4K screen but like, use the CX in another spot
Then a more appropriate screen for the pc at a lower reso
Cos burn-in will be very real on a CX is all
late ferry
After like 6 months lol
Burn in happens when im on a static screen for a long time, i will use my pc with my 1080p monitor for normal stuff such as youtube or whatever, with gaming, ill use my oled, when im done, ill use my monitor again, so the oled is not permanent, i know it causes burn in, and thats why i have been very cautious with it, and i am planning on buying a 4k monitor soon
odd siren
I know how it works
odd siren
It's fine lol
If you can find a way around that then sure, a 4090 at 4K 120, makes sense
late ferry
Ill only use it when i game until i buy a 4k monitor
odd siren
4K monitor I like to suggest is the FV43U
It's big enough that 4K makes sense
And it's QLED so 0 burn in
Not quite as good as OLED, but no caveats either.
Only other one I'd maybe consider is M32U, the rest at 32" or less are a wash imo
M32U has other features that are nice for QoL
Cos pixel density at 4K makes no sense at 32" or lower, you really need a big screen to truly notice the difference
late ferry
If you can find a way around that then sure, a 4090 at 4K 120, makes sense
I mean I currently care about games like, spiderman, god of war, horizon, RDR2, the upcoming uncharted games, i just hope to get over 100 fps with 4k, especially spiderman with rt on very high
late ferry
With spidey?
late ferry
Cos pixel density at 4K makes no sense at 32" or lower, you really need a big sc...
So i shouldnβt go for a 27
odd siren
So i shouldnβt go for a 27
Nope
There is 0 difference in image quality between 1440p and 4K at 27"
late ferry
So 34 or higher is when Iβll actually notice the difference in 4k, got it
odd siren
Ye
late ferry
There is 0 difference in image quality between 1440p and 4K at 27"
I did not know that, thank you
odd siren
Better way of saying it: it's a justified resolution above some 32"
late ferry
Is there benchmark videos that have those games that i listed?
odd siren
Hardwareunboxed has a lot of games there, they may have done spiderman
quartz gull
Interesting, the 4090 only pulls 5-10 watts over the PCIE slot unless there's a transient spike. I guess that's how they avoid frying the PCIE adapter?
late ferry
Better way of saying it: it's a justified resolution above some 32"
I will do that, i want to buy one that is so good that will stay with me for years?
odd siren
Future proofing isn't a thing
Think of nvidia maybe doing this again in 2 years with the 5090, what would you do? Lol
Just consider what fits your needs now and ride with it lol
quartz gull
Well you can still buy a monitor you'll be happy with in the future, taking your future needs into account. I bought a 4K 144hz monitor and will probably keep it for a long time. When I bought it I had an RTX 2060.
late ferry
Just consider what fits your needs now and ride with it lol
For me, with monitors I always buy one that is future proof π, with gpuβs i treat them as an iphone where i upgrade every 2 years and sell the other one
late ferry
Well you can still buy a monitor you'll be happy with in the future, taking your...
Then that is great, that is what ill be looking for
quartz gull
Just keep in mind, while a monitor that high end will last you 5-10 years, it most certainly will be half the price or less in 5-10 years as technology progresses
late ferry
When like selling it you mean?
quartz gull
Brand new
late ferry
Oh
late ferry
Well in 5-10 years microled monitors will release for a good price, ill buy that and ill be happy, its like an oled but no burn in and brighter
late ferry
So selling will be even more of a loss
Yeah thatβs understandable, i keep my old monitors anyways just in case, I donβt plan on selling
late ferry
In 5-10 years 8K+ will be the norm easily
Yeah true
odd siren
GPU's and cpu's are now scaling ridiculously quick
quartz gull
In 5-10 years 8K+ will be the norm easily
Y'all say that like we haven't had 1080p be the most played resolution since 2012
mighty sonnet
Canβt wait to see how all the people who are anti NVIDIA are now going to rush for the 4090
late ferry
Thing that annoys me with 8k tvs is that i have alot of 4k blu ray movies, so it will annoy me that ill have to re buy those movies but in 8k π₯²
odd siren
Y'all say that like we haven't had 1080p be the most played resolution since 201...
Lol true
quartz gull
65% of people still play at 1080p on PC still for steam.
odd siren
We are now capping 1440p tho
10* years ago we weren't capping 1080p
(i can't count anymore 
)
quartz gull
Problem is unlike PC performance, our eyes don't see as big increases with high resolution and frame rate
Most common monitor size is 27"
odd siren
Yup and dimishing returns are happening with pixel density depending on size
quartz gull
My 4K 28" is alrrady stupid no one is going to buy an 8k display at below 40 inches
odd siren
Maybe not now
quartz gull
You literally won't be able to see the difference
odd siren
But in a few years they'll probably have something stupid available tho
I know but marketing man
I can see it happening lol
quartz gull
I barely see much of an improvement from 27" 1440p to 28" 4K
8K computer monitors? Silly
Maybe for TVs though, living room PCs are on the rise
odd siren
But weren't these sorts of discussions a thing over the years?
Like
720p vs. 1080p way back when
The scaling is different but the price and justification would've been similar
quartz gull
Problem is, even if games get more demanding, our eyes don't get better
odd siren
Ofc
quartz gull
720p vs 900 vs 1080 is a little bit bigger than
odd siren
I agree with you but I also see stupid things manufacturing will do
quartz gull
1080 vs 1440 vs 2160
quartz gull
28" isn't actually that bad
odd siren
You don't see it
quartz gull
I also sit about a foot from my monitor
I'm tempted to get a 4090 rn
Double the performance at 4K
I can actually run high refresh rate 4K
I've never seen a card push 120fps 4K for it's time period
2080ti and 3090 weren't at that level for their recent releases
Also apparently 4090 is considerably less power than 3090ti and the transient spikes are only 30-40%
15-30% at that kind of power draw kind of a lot of watts
odd siren
I would consider a bigger monitor if you were gonna do it
odd siren
Also consider the case and cables need a good routing (no aggressive bends at the terminal)
quartz gull
A 3080 triple fan looks small in it
quartz gull
I got like 4 inches clearance to the right, 2 inches from the side panel
I think it should be fine
odd siren
Have you seen the aorus master size?
quartz gull
Most the increase is slot width
odd siren
It doesn't fit in an o11d
quartz gull
Aorus master is a stupid purchase decision
odd siren
Haha
quartz gull
Even the MSI ventus model isn't going over 75Β°C
What's weird is why are the coolers so much bigger than the 3090ti if it pulls less power?
The +33% mode?
quartz gull
That's with power boost on
odd siren
Tho 3090ti didn't really have too bad transients either
quartz gull
5-10% is not worth 33% more power
3090ti had 60-100% transient spikes in a lot of instances
odd siren
3090 was worse
quartz gull
Tbf the 3090 drew 100 watts less LOL
odd siren
The new pcb of the 4090 is very, very similar to 3090 ti
quartz gull
It's way better with power management though
And to help the PCIE cable it doesn't pull PCIE slot power except in a spike
Derbauer said it only be pulling 10 watts from the PCIE slot unless it's spiking
odd siren
Idk if GN's explanation is the best way to explain how it does that management tho
quartz gull
Which is a little weird imo
odd siren
Well it'll definitely use 70-75 if you yeet power
quartz gull
Most reviewers I've seen only had 5-10% for the +33% power mode
odd siren
Yup
quartz gull
Not worth that power draw increase
odd siren
People will do that tho
quartz gull
I'll keep it at 450 watts and not fry my room as bad
I'll sacrifice 5-10% for less noise and heat
odd siren
Tbf the apparent noise increase was like 1-2db on the FE according to HUB
For 200W more
I think??
Maybe they just did clock
Ima double check
quartz gull
I'm thinking of selling my 3080 for $500 and going for a 4090
quartz gull
Also can we talk about 700 watts on boost like ???
380-450 watts normally, whatever, pretty high
But 700?
odd siren
Well this is what Nvidia came up with to scale over RDNA 3
quartz gull
How does one chip pull that much power
odd siren
They had an 800+W card melting itself that was cancelled
quartz gull
Well AMD sucks on high end cards
Their budget options??
6650XT for $260 rn
6800 non xt for $380
odd siren
Budget isn't in this discussion about halo cards
quartz gull
AMDs flagship will probably destroy the 4080 16GB for $1000
quartz gull
I don't see AMD beating the 4090 on max power tbh
But doesn't matter, no one buys the 90 class
Did you see how many Nvidia has left and had to panic sell?
odd siren
They're claiming 4GHz with over 2x the cores/CU's/stream processors
On paper it sounds nice
quartz gull
Pentium flashbacks
Clock speed mean nothing
Their claims mean nothing without knowing architecture
odd siren
I mean, 30% over last gen kinda means a little bit
quartz gull
Nvidia pulled an 80% over 3090
odd siren
I'm aware of irrelevancy but that's not irrelevant per se
quartz gull
And the power draw isn't that absurd
Still no where near the 2-4x they were trying to brag about
Keep dlss out of benchmarks
quartz gull
Also apparently 12 pins fry under 850 watts and higher
odd siren
They had an 800+W card melting itself that was cancelled
Yes
quartz gull
Was it gigabyte the released their findings?
quartz gull
Idk one of the PSU manufacturers released testing they did personally on 800+ watts
odd siren
Nvidia never released anything about the 800W+ one
quartz gull
Said their 12 pin cables couldn't provide that power without melting the sleeving
quartz gull
Yes
Well do you see how small the pins are? There's only so much heat dissipation you can do
odd siren
Escanor said that the be quiet pure power 1600W melted the cables on the ada titan
I'm aware lol
quartz gull
I think people would've been fine with a bigger connector
odd siren
Why do you think I suggested mindful cable routing earlier
quartz gull
Eh I'mma look for AIB with the right side plug
quartz gull
A few cards have them
odd siren
Adapters have redundancy in them now but they didn't on some of the 3090 Ti ones
Hence the overheat and melting issues at the terminal
Crazy hot cables
quartz gull
Nvidia is weird for putting it dead center when for the 2060 super they did right side to have better cable management
They've literally done it before
odd siren
It's the edge of the pcb tho
The pcb on like, every cooler is only half the way
Pcb is very small
quartz gull
Also with the 4090 performance, estimates of the 4080 12/16 looking bleak
4080 12GB may nearly be on par with a 3080 ti
odd siren
Ya, they made an effort to make the 90 card look worth it this time, also as the new first release too
quartz gull
Which would be fine if it was a $500 4070 but it's not
odd siren
90 by die percentage btw is similar to the 80 card of previous gens
quartz gull
The performance per cuda core isn't going to be enough to overcome the fact that the 12GB has less cores than a 3080
Imagine if it's slower than a 3080ti
keen nacelle
4080 12GB may nearly be on par with a 3080 ti
Yeah its sad
Without dlss 3.0, 40 series looks laughable
quartz gull
DLSS 3.0 I need to see more latency tests on
The fact only 40-50% of the frames will be generated from the game vs. frame insertion has me a bit weirded out tbh
If 120 fps responds like 60 FPS will it be off putting?
keen nacelle
Latency is supposed to be weird
With new dlss
Well see when it's implemented in new releases how bad it is
odd siren
Supposedly it's worse latency but not disgusting
quartz gull
I wonder if they would have an option to disable frame insertion
For games in the far future that only support dlss 3.0+
random walrus
I wonder if they would have an option to disable frame insertion
They seem to have options to use dlss without frame insertion
from reviews/benchmarks ive seen so far
quartz gull
Also I think they're doing dlss 3.0 exclusively because they know their 3080 12GB/TI is going to be too strong against the 4080 12GB
quartz gull
They seem to have options to use dlss without frame insertion
Oh that's great, DLSS 3.0 looks incredible
I may stop playing at just DLSS quality, even balanced looks insanely close to native
Derbauer said that balanced looks close enough that he can't tell at 4K without looking for special quirks of DLSS
Genuinely impressive
And they have to lock 20 and 30 series out
random walrus
my gripe with dlss is that it doesn't work well at 1080p
quartz gull
Ah, see I'm a 4K high refresh rate user now
odd siren
my gripe with dlss is that it doesn't work well at 1080p
- AMD enters the chat *
random walrus
so on lower end systems if you want that fps boost it gets all blurry
quartz gull
I used to be on 1080p on a 2060, quality still looks okay at 1080p
Balanced and below genuinely made me queasy on my 2060
It was like
Super motion blur feeling
random walrus
I've used dlss at 1080p on both my rtx 2060 and 3060ti and i can't stand it
quartz gull
Artifacting past quality mode was bad enough to make me not touch DLSS
odd siren
I have to agree tho, dlss does weird stuff at 1080p
solar prawn
im gonna have to try it, im getting a 2060 today
quartz gull
Now I use DLSS 2.0 in everything I have
random walrus
getting a 1440p monitor in the next few months so i'm excited to try dlss on that
quartz gull
im gonna have to try it, im getting a 2060 today
People are selling them locally used for $150-200 rn for me, it's great value
random walrus
$265 gets you a new 6650xt tho
solar prawn
lucky, i live out in the country, theres no one local for me
I bought mine from a friend, for like 220
quartz gull
Oh wow, 3080's are almost $400 locally
Okay 1060 for $65 is tempting, I need to get off of Facebook marketplace
I'mma end up buying more parts for more builds again
π
When did the used market fall this much I was only off of here for like a week
late ferry
ok so its pretty impressive how Spider-Man Remastered gets over 100 Fps with max settings and even max RT with the 4090 with no DLSS on
and im assuming it will even perform better with DLSS 3 even on Quality mode
random walrus
gonna be honest I don't give a **** about the 4090 performance/reviews/benchmarks. The starting MSRP is USD$1600
late ferry
@odd siren sorry for tagging you, but i wanted to ask, am i supposed to have DX12?
odd siren
You should have dx12
late ferry
You should have dx12
how do i check
odd siren
Not something you obtain it should just work with the card shouldn't it?
late ferry
i got a 3080
quartz gull
Yeah
late ferry
it should have it right?
quartz gull
Even the GT 710 has dx12
quartz gull
Any Nvidia GPU released since 2013 will have it
late ferry
awesome thank you
btw does anyone have a video of someone testing Spider-Man, God Of War, Horizon Zero Dawn, RDR2 and other games with the 4090?
quartz gull
Gamers Nexus and hardware unboxed did some really through ones with those games
late ferry
oh thats awesome then
thank you!
ok so i wanted to ask another question, lets say i bought the rtx 4090, and i am switching out the gpu's, do i have to uninstall the drives first for the 3080? or what do i do?
odd siren
4K I think goes over 120 on FH5
late ferry
4K I think goes over 120 on FH5
no i meant Horizon Zero Dawn
fading glacier
the transient testing was all i needed
odd siren
HZD no idea
odd siren
ok so i wanted to ask another question, lets say i bought the rtx 4090, and i am...
!ddu
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DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
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odd siren
Worth doing this ^
keen nacelle
50% on 100ms means that my 850 is up to the task
Looking at the reviews, I'd advise against a 4090
late ferry
Worth doing this ^
oh that is actually pretty easy, thank you!
fading glacier
Looking at the reviews, I'd advise against a 4090
totally
keen nacelle
It's surprisingly depressing aside from new dlss
fading glacier
yeah
keen nacelle
Mhm. Unsurprising to me, I didn't think they'd manage that
They did the same thing with 30 series
Said the 3060 ti would beat the 2080 ti, though in reality they meant in rtx
fading glacier
now the 4080 16gb seems even weaker than before
mmmmm
not a bad card by any mean.... just extremely bad price/performance
keen nacelle
Yeah, id be surprised if the 4079 12gb beats the 3090
fading glacier
dont think it will
fading glacier
you need to pay royalties to bacca
late ferry
question, will the rtx 4090 fit in a lian li o11 case π
odd siren
Not all of them
late ferry
i wanted to ask, why is the asus rog strix so overpriced compared to the rest
odd siren
Strix tax
Whether or not it even ends up significantly better is still up for debate until it's known later
fading glacier
until tomorrow
odd siren
I don't think it will be really, judging by pcb
late ferry
but they all should be the same tho right? like in terms when playing a game, i should be getting the same amount of fps with all of them?
fading glacier
thats kinda weird how nvidia only allowed reviews on the fe card
keen nacelle
but they all should be the same tho right? like in terms when playing a game, i ...
There is a tiny difference, but no you won't really notice it
Biggest difference between models is cooling
late ferry
There is a tiny difference, but no you won't really notice it
so i should be great with any
keen nacelle
No
fading glacier
if you arent into voerclocking yes
keen nacelle
Pay attention to cooling
odd siren
Case clearance as well as cable routing
fading glacier
all of them were designed on a 650w power target, or so i heard
overkill on most bios limited cases
cerulean rover
Yea they're designed to be overkill
The chances of like a ventus 2x is very small
fading glacier
yeah, whole gn review... not worth
unless you are playing on a 4k 165hz monitor, then the 4090 is largely wasted, at least on raster alone
hot bough
Already saw.
livid idol
DLSS 3.0 is looking interesting, once games actually use it getting double fps with almost no quality drop at quality mode is nice.
fading glacier
by the time games actually use dlss 3.0 the 4090 will be at a lower price
im pretty sure
livid idol
A little bit, but more importantly the 4060 will be out which is where DLSS really shines
fading glacier
yup
livid idol
Having those lower end GPUs perform like their big brothers is fun
fading glacier
by that time the 4060 and 4070 wiull be probably the best option price/perfromance
ivory herald
The 90FPS/200ish watt performance is pretty wild, as if anyone would do that though. 
livid idol
I saw Roman covering power scaling and it looks like if you limit it to 70% power you get 90% of the performance
Then you get the benefits of quieter, cooler running too
oak rivet
i dont like the thought of that tbh
rather max the pl in afterburner and oc it even tho cpu bound
odd siren
le oof
idk how they can still justify that strix tax when two watercooled cards are a solid chunk cheaper
celest thorn
ivory herald
I actually saw the suprim for.$1600 recently. 
still 2x more than I'll buy any gpu for
hot bough
idk how they can still justify that strix tax when two watercooled cards are a s...
Simple.
- It's has Strixt Tax Policies.
- It's chonky
- Cyberpunk style LEDs.
hot bough
<@217356391675985921> so which one will you buy tomorrow?
Probably Aorus Master.
It looks incredible to me IMO.
fading glacier
the waterforce or the 3 fan one?
celest thorn
I would like to get the aorus master but i need more than 1 hdmi port which is rather annoying to find on cards nowadays
fading glacier
same time as nvidias site?
yes
fading glacier
I would like to get the aorus master but i need more than 1 hdmi port which is r...
just get a dp to hdmi adpater
its llike 5 bucks
balmy magnet
just get a dp to hdmi adpater
have you (or anyone) tried one of those HDMI->DisplayPort cables?
fading glacier
yes i have one on my monitor
balmy magnet
i was thinking of grabbing one instead of an adapter
balmy magnet
you got an example of one of those
just an example, not sure of how good that one is
livid idol
They're fine
Adapter or adapting cable, doesn't matter much unless you're going extremely high resolution or refresh rate
hot bough
the waterforce or the 3 fan one?
3 fan.
normal hawk
Question, would using a low power CPU mitigate how much performance is actually lost with an egpu since you're at a lower performance point anyway.
hidden ibex
hello all, I'm currently looking to upgrade my desktop but it's been about 14 years since I've built my last computer and I feel like I'm impressed by stone-age hardware... anyway, I'm looking for a good wireless card with Bluetooth. I had ordered one from FENVi but when it's plugged in my computer will not power on (edit) I'm returning it for something that will work out of the box and for a few years down the road
livid idol
Something with AX200 chipset and BT 5.0+ should be good, let me see what I can find
normal hawk
not really
Sadge
livid idol
hello all, I'm currently looking to upgrade my desktop but it's been about 14 ye...
What price are you looking around?
normal hawk
Does infinity fabric help with EGPU's bandwidth at all? Since it helps with the bandwidth on amd cards? Or it different metrics
livid idol
Infinity fabric on the CPU? No that only affects core to core latency
hidden ibex
I'm working with a MSI MPG Z390 gaming plus motherboard and if it's possible something less than $50
hidden ibex
What price are you looking around?
I'm working with a MSI MPG Z390 gaming plus motherboard and if it's possible something less than $50
normal hawk
Infinity fabric on the CPU? No that only affects core to core latency
Wait what's the thing that helps amd GPU's with their lower bandwidth
vital oriole
sam
or smart memory access
but you need a mobo and cpu that supports it
which seems to only be amd ryzen on desktop
normal hawk
Infinity cache?
idle idol
I was about to say Infinity Cache
It's probably both tbh,
depends on what GPU you are using too.
normal hawk
which seems to only be amd ryzen on desktop
Do mobile Intel cpus support it? You're specifying desktop which is why I'm asking lol
normal hawk
Oof
normal hawk
Will still probably do it for fun
Gonna try to build a dock for windows handhelds since they support egpu. Just for the luls.
normal hawk
4090 is for 4k gaming and productivity. That's it.
If you use it for anything else, you wasted your money.
grim galleon
At the price of only 2k
normal hawk
1599$
normal hawk
Ya
normal hawk
I mean when you think of someone doing productivity. It's a write off.
If they are deadset on doing 4k gaming it's pretty likely their set up(peripherals, desk, chair, monitors etc) is more than your pc
normal hawk
Ye I have a 3090
grim galleon
Ah noice noice
normal hawk
No I'm not upgrading it
grim galleon
Yea obviously lol
normal hawk
Focused more on Handhelds for gaming. Lol
grim galleon
Focused more on Handhelds for gaming. Lol
You mean your a mobile gamer -_-
normal hawk
The 6800u handhelds and then the budget 1215u handhelds have me so excited.
grim galleon
Handhelds!? Huh
grim galleon
Oo steam deck noice
normal hawk
also tbh. let's not pretend like mobile fps games aren't better than their desktop counterparts
R6 mobile, cod mobile, Apex mobile, etc.
grim galleon
I dont even no I play no fps games
normal hawk
Fair enough. Lol
grim galleon
I got I think 2.3 k hours in Minecraft
normal hawk
Nice
grim galleon
I have tryed others but Minecrafts still number 1 for me lmao
normal hawk
Try Terraria and Stardew Valley
grim galleon
Oml Stardew was so fun I had it on my phone
I got terraria but I just don't like it lol
normal hawk
That's fair
grim galleon
What games ya play?
normal hawk
Depends on where tbh
Pc: Apex or siege with friends. Skyrim, star citizen, space engineers etc.
Steam deck: Halo, Forza, older Lego games. Dark Alliance 2, Skyrim, Fable, Oblivion, fate, lost planet, etc.
Switch - Pokemon, Skyrim, kotor, CTR, wargroove,
Ps5 - Playstation exclusives, Skyrim.
Xbox - Forza, OG Xbox games, emulation(gamecube and earlier)
I play a lot of Skyrim
Honorable mention, AOE 4. I'm just bad at it so I play alone
livid idol
I've been doing a bit of no man's sky lately. Big update just dropped, total overhaul of the inventory system and more frequent autosaves are the most notable features.
grim galleon
Pc: Apex or siege with friends. Skyrim, star citizen, space engineers etc.
Stea...
Woah that's a ton of games
normal hawk
Woah that's a ton of games
I'm dead inside and games are the only thing I can enjoy besides spending time with my cats
hasty sphinx
I'm dead inside and games are the only thing I can enjoy besides spending time w...
Sounds like we should get married and be dead inside together. I'm your cat now. Can get rid of the other ones.
normal hawk
Sounds like we should get married and be dead inside together. I'm your cat now....
Would never get rid of my cats. They will grow old with me
fading glacier
haha every card out of stock
hot bough
haha every card out of stock
Not every card.
Though what card would you guys recommend as Aorus Master and FE are out of stock.
well $#!T.
Seems they are all bought out except for the store where you need to pick it up in person.
fading glacier
you were saying?
fading glacier
Though what card would you guys recommend as Aorus Master and FE are out of stoc...
haha if you were in the market for a card then it was too late to start deciding π
hot bough
haha if you were in the market for a card then it was too late to start deciding...
I had my mind set on the Aorus Master
until I saw "Not in stock".
Guess I'll just have to wait for the notification to let me know when it's in stock again.
Dammit.
fading glacier
they were out of stock almost immediately
fading glacier
expected
hot bough
I guess I should've done an all nighter I guess.
fading glacier
they should be restocked pretty soon anyway
supposedly 5x times the 3090 stock was
but who knows
fading glacier
yup, on 7000 series π
fading glacier
yes
hot bough
I suppose though I'm unfortunately loyal to Nvidia so yeah.
lone pond
now that they're out, is the 4090 worth it? i know that's a subjective question, but for the price/performance for competitive gaming if you can afford it is it worth the upgrade?
i have a 3080. i didn't get a 3080ti or 3090 because the price increase wasn't worth the performance at the time
fading glacier
there are a lot of videos on youtube to answer that
TLDR if you are playing on a 4k 144hz monitor, yes, its worth
on 1440p or 1080 is largely a waste
lone pond
2k 165 hz. the videos before the card came out were doom and gloom, now they're like "yes it's good"
from the few i've watched, haven't done a ton of watching yet
another issue i heard before that's not being mentioned now is the potential to melt the connectors with the power it draws. is there any merit to this?
fading glacier
another issue i heard before that's not being mentioned now is the potential to ...
this was debunked long ago, that is missinformation
if you are playing on 1440p then the card is a waste of money
lone pond
how about the 4080 or any of the 40 series, will it be worth the upgrade? another factor people usually leave out is that current game updates and future games tend to be geared towards next gen cards
fading glacier
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
without reviews we cant say anything about the 4080
wait for november
quartz gull
4080 16gb has only like 60% of the cores of the 4090, so I feel like it'll be a significant downgrade
lone pond
got it. thanks for all the info!
fading glacier
a downgrade yes, but probably same performance at 1440
the 4090 is heavily bottlenecked at 1440p anyway
grim galleon
I'm dead inside and games are the only thing I can enjoy besides spending time w...
Relatable
livid idol
How many bots did it take to buy all the GPUs this time?
normal hawk
4080 16gb has only like 60% of the cores of the 4090, so I feel like it'll be a ...
yeah. And the 256-bit bus is a bit weird for the 16gb and 192 is awful for the 12gb
normal hawk
Maybe they have something to compare to infinity cache that amd has. but if not its so weird.
quartz gull
Definitely is