Iirc only 5070 Ti and 5090 were the ones with *large changes
#tech-industry-news
sleek phoenix
fervent walrus
My expectations has gone from like 20% gains to 10% to negligible
sleek phoenix
I love how reddit is defending this
"Raster limits are being reached for hardware"
Like bruh it's a refresh node
Ofc it's on the limit it's cos they didn't change anything
💀
Hoo boy next gen is gonna be good
Gonna be GOOD
60 series
Jensen's "redemption" arc
6090 with the 50% performance boost at 2.5 grand I can see it now
fervent walrus
6090 with the 50% performance boost at 2.5 grand I can see it now
*+100% tariffs
sleek phoenix
Come on AMD
Gimme that 599 9070xt
My prediction game is on fire this gen
Gonna be sad if it's $649 but I'd believe it
Any more won't get them market share
cyan hamlet
6090 with the 50% performance boost at 2.5 grand I can see it now
Watch it also be +50% die size and 50% more expensive
fervent walrus
I'm just coping looking for a low ish power card for the mid end
fervent walrus
I have no idea what the performance is going to be, so I'm coping for it to be good
Or the 5070
cyan hamlet
9070 XT is supposedly at the level of the GRE so we can expect it to be below that, maybe a little better than the 7800 XT, close to the 7900 non xt?
sleek phoenix
Watch it also be +50% die size and 50% more expensive
If they pull another blackwell I'll skip again
fervent walrus
I want to jump in before this administration can put tariffs down lol
sleek phoenix
9070 XT btw is essentially XTX performance
Slightly better RT
Like so small
Lol
And since AMD works well with scaling
Use XTX numbers and the core ratios of the 9070 XT
You'll get the rough numbers of the other 9000 cards
jade pagoda
sleek phoenix
50 series will save us all ||*8% at msrp|| 
Hahaha
https://youtu.be/sEu6k-MdZgc
Hahahahahaha
ivory pike
That’s so bad
ivory pike
7900 GRE wins again
sleek phoenix
This is hands down the most pathetic launch I am aware of from Nvidia
MFG will make it worth it...in 2 years when 60 series is already here
@jade pagoda this is your last chance to snipe a cheap 4080/4080 Super
I swear
jade pagoda
<@350124341238824960> this is your last chance to snipe a cheap 4080/4080 Super
WHERE!!???
I've been looking I couldn't find anything cheap
sleek phoenix
Idk find them man keep looking
Zotac store sells refurbish
Ebay gets rare sales
R/hardware swap
jade pagoda
eBay is dead
sleek phoenix
Fbmp local
sleek phoenix
Well there's always 7900XT for $620-ish
jade pagoda
AMD
sleek phoenix
Oh yeah it does
It sits above all the Nvidia cards for value and it's easily found
Just sayin
jade pagoda
I will continue to look for a 4080 super
jade pagoda
Sure
sleek phoenix
Both overclock enough to match a 5080 stock
sleek phoenix
sleek phoenix
This story reads so amusingly
And I believe this.
The numbers look worse here, much worse
marble meteor
Well, that's for MC only
cyan hamlet
Sure but we can assume that each major retailer got about the same number of GPUs which would mean roughly 1000 total in the US
manic horizon
Potentially less depending
But still
About a thousand for what, 330 million people?
That's rarer than some high-end cars
marble meteor
I would imagine Amazon/Newegg/best buy would get more stock than MC. Not sure though
Even then there still aren't many 5090s lol
sleek phoenix
Called it btw
sharp wing
so either they wanted to watch people fight or they knew not many gamers would be interested in this
tepid wasp
You get banned for that
It happened with 30 series too
Large scale listings of pictures of gpus, png of the gpus and etc with the description generally reading as bot traps
I tried one listing for funsies and got my account banned from Ebay 
tepid wasp
Is good I just set up my burner email with a new Ebay account
cyan hamlet
Exactly 4 units of 5090 at MC with a line wrapping around the building to buy them 
fast trout
i should of gone to my microcenter 40 minutes away to document and see if there was a line
imagine there was no line i could of bought 2 and made like 10 grand by selling them after for 5k each
cyan hamlet
Apparently some MC's didn't get a single 5090
cyan hamlet
And they only allow one per household
With ID checks
Gotta love those fbm posts with a picture of the GPU in the MC parking lot reselling it for $5k
shadow heart
Okay Polyphony, your turn
https://www.ign.com/articles/forza-horizon-5-is-coming-to-ps5
sharp wing
Gotta love those fbm posts with a picture of the GPU in the MC parking lot resel...
If they stuck around I can’t imagine it would end well for them
sleek phoenix
Man that embed is garbage
Thx nvidia
Huge security vulnerability
PSA to all
Updoot drivers
cyan hamlet
A couple of those are "high severity" so that would mean they're easily exploited or in the event of successful exploitation there is significant harm possible
cyan hamlet
I guess we get DLSS 4 now whether we like it or not
Ray reconstruction in hogwarts legacy 
They are about to drop a new update that includes a mod toolkit similar to the GECK too
Might have to download that one again soon if some good mods come out. I'd love to pit spells vs lightsabers.
cyan hamlet
Ohhhh I thought it was Ray Romano the famous comedian being reconstructed
sleek phoenix
manic horizon
<:tomhuh:1270889240636555354>
https://videocardz.com/newz/scalper-bots-said-to-...
I hate when I call something
I distinctly remember dooming about "Wow it can only get worse if there's a ploy to hand off supply to scalpers"
and VOILA IT HAPPENS
manic horizon
IKR???
sleek phoenix
At this rate I think buying online on launch day won't be a thing next gen
manic horizon
Nah
sleek phoenix
This is out of hand
sleek phoenix
Only way they can prevent it is to just stop online ordering
manic horizon
the whole supply issue is first-hand nVidia doing
sleek phoenix
nGreedAI ***benefits from this arrangement***
They don't. Not from this.
manic horizon
They don't. Not from this.
They get to say "ALL SOLD OUT"
manic horizon
Artificially lowering supply to keep prices high does too yet they did it knowingly
cyan hamlet
nGreedAI ***benefits from this arrangement***
Easier to ship the orders when they don't even need to unload the pallets, just drop them off at the scalper's house
sleek phoenix
Scalping is one thing, not even selling anything to anyone on the actual release time is another
This is the kind of rumour that spreads resent
sleek phoenix
Next gen I'm willing to bet launch will have many places with in-person stock only
manic horizon
Or Nvidia really just goes ham and makes the launch exclusively online sales
with in-person stock coming a month later
Or even better
They just framegen the in-person stock lmao
sleek phoenix
@cyan hamlet currently wondering how many other stores were hit
Cos I know most of europe just got 0 stock at all
The story rings true
Here we had what seemed like 1 store with stock
cyan hamlet
Why not just sell everything through amazon at this point, the bots are going to get them anyway so might as well make it easy
sleek phoenix
Quebec got nothing
PH actually had stock
Singapore had nothing
Not sure about anywhere else atm
sleek phoenix
Why not just sell everything through amazon at this point, the bots are going to...
I reckon no online selling whatsoever
You have to be an individual who walks up in person
You get to the point where you're selling before it's even up on sale it's really bad
I wonder if that's litigious
Ooo it is in Australia
cyan hamlet
That's the kind of thing that would get you immediate and severe backlash from Nvidia previously. Like "banned from selling our products for 10 years" backlash.
manic horizon
But yeah there has been no 5090s in Hungary at all
all the 5080s are preorder only
sleek phoenix
I wonder if EU has any laws like this in any country
If they do proshop might be in hot water
Lmao
5080 and 5090 buyers will have money to burn ☠️
cyan hamlet
If proshop doesn't cancel these orders like immediately there's going to be hell to pay for sure
manic horizon
If proshop doesn't cancel these orders like *immediately* there's going to be he...
I heavily doubt they'll get into any actual trouble
sleek phoenix
That's a huge amount of people
sleek phoenix
I heavily doubt they'll get into any actual trouble
This is the sort of trouble GN executes companies for
It's bad
manic horizon
Consumer protection agencies can disappear surprisingly quickly if you juuust happen to make large monetary contributions to the right people
sleek phoenix
It wouldn't matter. The bad publicity would destroy them
manic horizon
This is the sort of trouble GN executes companies for
Eeh, I think Proshop will still be fine ultimately
sleek phoenix
They could get off scott free but everyone avoids them like the plague
manic horizon
People have surprisingly short memories as demonstrated by the 50 series launch
remember the same stuff happened then with scalpers and everything selling out at way too high prices
sleek phoenix
People have surprisingly short memories as demonstrated by the 50 series launch
I really don't think that'll be the case for anyone who was trying to genuinely buy
cyan hamlet
https://www.privacyshield.gov/ps/article?id=European-union-Trade-Promotion-and-Advertising
Under the Directive, misleading advertising is defined as any "advertising which in any way, including its presentation, deceives or is likely to deceive the persons to whom it is addressed or whom it reaches and which, by reason of its deceptive nature, is likely to affect their economic behavior or which for those reasons, injures or is likely to injure a competitor." Member States can authorize even more extensive protection under their national laws.
manic horizon
I really don't think that'll be the case for anyone who was trying to genuinely ...
Most of those people likely tried to genuinely buy a 4090 as well
it's a cycle at this point
sleek phoenix
https://www.privacyshield.gov/ps/article?id=European-union-Trade-Promotion-and-A...
There you go yeah. It's definitely in there
Proshop is in deep water
cyan hamlet
If they advertised a launch date and didn't have product to sell at launch, that could easily fall under the EU misleading advertising laws
manic horizon
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for them to actually get punished, but there is a chance
sleek phoenix
They must cancel the orders
cyan hamlet
The EU doesn't mess around like the US does, they've been more proactive against the big companies lately taking on giants like Google
sleek phoenix
I would be surprised any German reading the above article would take it sitting down if they wanted a 50 card
manic horizon
The EU doesn't mess around like the US does, they've been more proactive against...
Make no mistake, that is only the case because the EU makes profit doing so
the EU only ever goes after US megacorps
cyan hamlet
Absolutely, but it hurts the company so it's a win win unless you're Google
manic horizon
Chinese ones are interestingly never harmed at all
sleek phoenix
Make no mistake, that is only the case because the EU makes profit doing so
Confusing consumer civil action vs government civil action
This is deceptive advertising, EU governing bodies wouldn't do much at all about it
This would be a civil case
You'd see a government step in when it's concerning a major amount of funds, bankruptcy, liquidity, suspicious transactions, stuff like that
Not a bad price tag for one day
manic horizon
okay let's say that Proshop gets fined
sleek phoenix
The most I've ever seen for that from a government is a warning but hey I could be wrong
manic horizon
for breaking the law
sleek phoenix
okay let's say that Proshop gets fined
I'm saying they won't tho
sleek phoenix
Also that's not how EU works
They fine on % of revenue
If the company is worth X millions a year they'll get fined Y% of that
cyan hamlet
The EU can fine up to 10% of their annual revenue
sleek phoenix
Yeah it's scalable
Also again this is not government
An EU court might rule on that charge but any class action would likely amount to much less to meet reasonable reparation
cyan hamlet
Yep this sounds more like a class action because they've "injured" everyone that wanted a 5090/5080 and were promised a chance to buy one
sleek phoenix
Class actions are bloody messes
Almost every time people get pennies back
Since costs are dumped into lawyers
manic horizon
Yep this sounds more like a class action because they've "injured" everyone that...
By that logic they'd need to pay every EU citizen
cyan hamlet
I'd take $12 for doing nothing
sleek phoenix
By that logic they'd need to pay every EU citizen
Any who opt into the suit yes
manic horizon
because it is a "reasonable" thought that everyone wanted to buy one
manic horizon
Well you guys heard it first
sleek phoenix
Hell you may be ordered to pay as a losing party as well
cyan hamlet
Just like when AMD got sued over FX processors not being "real" 8 cores, all you had to do to sign up was certify that you owned up to 5 eligible processors, any more and you needed evidence of purchase
sleek phoenix
Ye
cyan hamlet
Easy to join the class
manic horizon
Was I even online then?
cyan hamlet
Even if you weren't actually affected
manic horizon
when was this?
sleek phoenix
I'm pretty stunned they let this happen, ain't no way they don't cancel the orders
manic horizon
I'm pretty stunned they let this happen, ain't no way they don't cancel the orde...
this has to be some sort of error ngl
like there is no way a company is this stupid
cyan hamlet
when was this?
2019 it was settled for 12.1 million
sleek phoenix
this has to be some sort of error ngl
It wouldn't matter, they must make right of it
manic horizon
2019 it was settled for 12.1 million
Damn I missed that, should've gotten free money
cyan hamlet
It's entirely possible that the bot creator found a loophole in the backend of the API and exploited it, but it's still on the company to cancel
manic horizon
Question
cyan hamlet
My check was $11.56
manic horizon
how big do you have to be as a store to be able to order directly from nGreedAI?
sleek phoenix
It wouldn't matter, they must make right of it
In Australia we have extremely clear definitions in ACL that prevent "Mistakes" avoiding law
cyan hamlet
Small stores can order direct but you'll be secondary in the supply chain
manic horizon
or is it a "We sell to a large dist, they sell to mid-size, they sell to small shop that sells to customer" arrangement?
sleek phoenix
how big do you have to be as a store to be able to order directly from nGreedAI?
You just need to know a supplier
cyan hamlet
In other words smaller stores only get stock when there's stock readily available widespread
manic horizon
If you can afford the minimum order you can get a card
Min order is like what, 20 cards?
cyan hamlet
depends on the wholeseller
sleek phoenix
Min order is like what, 20 cards?
Any supplier can set whatever mins they want
Whatever price
manic horizon
cuz if I save up the upfront, I can potentially just bulk order like a pallet of them and make absolute bank
manic horizon
even if 40% of my money would then go to the government
because atrociously high taxes and fees to be legally able to sell stuff
cyan hamlet
Right you'd need someone that you know is going to get stock to distribute, and have a way to get priority service from them
manic horizon
this is like mfing high-end restaurants bribing producers of raw materials to get the freshest ingredients
cyan hamlet
Yes exactly
cyan hamlet
That's pure capitalism
Take any advantage you can over the competition
Spend money to make money
manic horizon
And eff you if you just want a reasonably priced GPU to play games with
cyan hamlet
The consumer is an afterthought at that point in the supply chain
manic horizon
Nah
manic horizon
They'll plead "nVidia allowed us to do it"
And imagine if that was true
I'm not saying it is
cyan hamlet
They'd both be equally screwed for violating advertising law then
manic horizon
But just imagine the scandal if nGreedAI authorized a major supplier to sell direct to scalpers before the launch
after all they'd not care who buys their overpriced cards as long as they get paid
cyan hamlet
Nvidia was accused of doing just that during the 30 series shortages
manic horizon
did it ever get proven?
cyan hamlet
No
cyan hamlet
But the instagram pics of people with stacks of about 100 3090s in their living room should speak for themselves
manic horizon
Then they forgot that their dealers aren't going to take the hit for them
Proshop doesn't owe nVidia to take the fall for it
manic horizon
But the instagram pics of people with stacks of about 100 3090s in their living ...
at least there was 100 3090s you can buy as a lot
sleek phoenix
I sent it off to GN
manic horizon
Also fun fact
The 9070XT is apparently within ~10% of the 5080.
For potentially less than 600 dollars
sleek phoenix
I want to see more spicy content idgaf
sleek phoenix
Also fun fact
The 9070XT is apparently within ~10% of the 5080.
For potentially ...
I've been saying this for like a month now
sleek phoenix
Dream on lmao
manic horizon
and 550 for the 9070
sleek phoenix
Rn I'm expecting either 599 or 649 for 9070 XT
It's looking cheaper to make than a 7800XT if you discount the die
So I don't think it's unrealistic atm
Then 499 for 9070 give or take
Given the speed of it
599 and 499 would line up really well
So would 649 and 529
But I think 649 is too high if they want to capture market share
It's stupid but the card is definitely worth more, but many don't believe it is
So I'm thinking it'll fail if they don't undercut far enough
cyan hamlet
You know I was thinking... even if proshop did cancel the bot orders at this point they're already cooked because the damage is done, they missed the launch window
The misleading advertising has happened and there's nothing that can change that now
sleek phoenix
Yes and no
cyan hamlet
All that's left is the court of public opinion
sleek phoenix
If they cancel it and make right on the situation, the court would throw it out if they've made a sufficient effort
It's not going to be fully recoverable
But they should definitely be able to stop many orders
It's the "making right" part that makes a situation truly bad
The punishment thereafter is considered whether by accident or not
cyan hamlet
Stopping the orders should be an easy matter since they're all apparently from the same bot
cyan hamlet
I guess all we can do is wait and see what kind of damage control they do
manic horizon
It'll either be "It was an accident and we can't cancel"
Or "We got permission by nVidia"
sleek phoenix
I remember joking about all this
I didn't expect it to actually bloody happen
Jfc
willow copper
https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-5090d-gpus-getting-bricked-possibly...
Excuse me
5000 series is done for
manic horizon
Nah it's not liquid metal yet
willow copper
And theres still gonna be plenty of people buying and recommending it to people
manic horizon
They aren't even getting to the LM leaking cuz they die from other stuff rofl
willow copper
What a flop
Nvidia stocks are gonna be so dead and im gonna invest so much into them LMAO
sleek phoenix
Lmfao
Have to look at nvidia over this
Like it's not even been a week since they released and they finally gave us dp 2.1
And now we have hdmi 2.2 otw 💀
Sorry let me rephrase
It was apparently there at CES and I missed it
Nvidia isn't even on the latest spec
The cards never made it out with latest spec at all
💀
shadow heart
Bruh I don't even have anything that needs HDMI 2.1
sleek phoenix
Lotta news today tf
https://www.notebookcheck.net/RTX-5090-and-RTX-5080-generational-benchmark-performance-gains-comparatively-eclipsed-by-GeForce-40-series-in-PassMark.956505.0.html
https://www.club386.com/user-reports-of-faulty-nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-and-5080-graphics-cards-come-flooding-in/
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/103054/nvidias-new-geforce-rtx-5090-priced-at-5x-the-msrp-in-taiwan-selling-for-insane-9100/index.html
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-9070-xt-reportedly-launches-march-6
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ceo-confirms-radeon-9070-will-go-on-sale-early-march
https://www.techspot.com/news/106647-am4-going-strong-amd-reports-5050-sales-split.html
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/amd-fixes-bug-that-lets-hackers-load-malicious-microcode-patches/
https://www.xda-developers.com/nvidias-rtx-50-series-fumble-has-left-the-door-ajar-for-amd/
So many links I had to split the messages
cyan hamlet
Friendly reminder to not buy a GPU from a scalper because it's likely you won't get warranty support when (not if) it doesn't work.
marble meteor
also just like, don't support scalpers lol
sleek phoenix
Make a great product
Sells out everywhere
Makes up nearly half of your entire segment market share
Everything else barely selling
Rest of your new product lineup eclipsed nearly 10 to 1
willow copper
https://www.techpowerup.com/332104/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-cpu-accounts-for-almost-9...
If everyone bought at msrp (they didnt) this would be the profit from 9800x3d alone before taxes
This is just for mindfactory
compact egret
This is like 2020 but deliberate
marble meteor
Makes sense though, if you aren't getting the x3d it makes more sense to get a 7600/x or 7700/x
cyan hamlet
At least there's actually stock of the 9800X3D. Enough to stay available for a few days when it restocks.
sleek phoenix
Like the most roundabout way of saying "Yeah they will be a good chunk cheaper"
I was right
Again
sleek phoenix
https://www.club386.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5080-founders-edition-arrives-with-su...
Lmfao this headline is better
https://www.neowin.net/news/fake-frames-to-fake-gpus-nvidia-apparently-just-sold-rtx-5080-as-5090-from-official-store/
cyan hamlet
Lmfao this headline is better
https://www.neowin.net/news/fake-frames-to-fake-gp...
Order 5080
Get box saying 5080
Open box, GPU says 5090!
Plug into computer, reads as 5080
sleek phoenix
cyan hamlet
I'm hoping for $650 9070 XT and $550 9070 msrp, but we need to add 25% to the price of everything now so it'll be $800 and $700
cyan hamlet
That's after the tariffs
sleek phoenix
750 and 600 after tariffs imo
Given the configs the price scaling isn't out of line either
cyan hamlet
5070 ti is $950 after tariffs and 5070 is $700
sleek phoenix
Yeah but people will see 800 and think "AMD you failed again"
Review ends
They have a mindshare problem rn
They really, REALLY need to be price aggressive rn
Even if it means a price rise later
In that situation I see a paper launch in response as not a bad thing at all, they might suggest a launch price then rise later just like nvidia did
cyan hamlet
But if you count frame gen (but only on amd) the 9070 xt can beat the 5090!
sleek phoenix
Cos then it's like "Oh tariffs"
Instead of "AMD lost on price"
The price tag on launch I've noticed is many people's negative feedback for amd
When it's good, it sells like wildfire
Look at x3d
When it's bad, it's horrible
The price crashes
Look at 7900XT
They're gonna be scared af to reveal a price
And I reckon the more they pitch themselves under nvidia the far better it'll look long term
Cos it won't appear disingenuous for just AMD cos nvidia is already doing it
It'll instead shift blame to the trump administration
Not getting political here, just the result of cause and effect
That's much better for people watching reviews and seeing the price that actually demonstrates them undercutting "Look how great value this is" instead of "Well it's good but it costs more than nvidia"
Even if that launch pricing ends up holding later it doesn't win them mind or market share
They already tried that with RDNA 3 and unfortunately failed spectacularly
20% market share loss over the RDNA 3 life cycle despite RDNA 3 being actually good
cyan hamlet
They're gonna be scared af to reveal a price
This is exactly the problem, everything is too volatile so they're going to wait until Nvidia gives official info at a minimum, probably a little longer, to decide on a price
sleek phoenix
Absolutely
And that tight window will be very delicate
From 0 to 100 the moment things are official from nvidia's side for the 70 class
And nvidia probably knows this
If they delay the 70 cards a week, amd definitely will
I have zero doubts
AMD wants to walk in, all cards on the table
And make an educated approach rather than trying to be aggressively equal
sleek phoenix
ivory pike
https://www.techspot.com/news/106690-nvidia-could-limiting-rtx-4060-stock-rtx-50...
6GB 5060
fast trout
6GB 5060<:jensen2:750957116017344513>
willow copper
God the value on my gre is goin up and up fr fr
sleek phoenix
Told you not to get fomo bro
We are enjoying the fine wine
Of just not buying in 2025 LOL
sleek phoenix
this 9070 cooler is actually amazing tf
I've always loved the taichi look
cyan hamlet
Yeah I think I'll keep chilling on my GPU too, even though I'm starting to feel that 12GB limit
sleek phoenix
Some of my favourite builds use taichi
fast trout
Yeah I think I'll keep chilling on my GPU too, even though I'm starting to feel ...
3080 right?
cyan hamlet
ti yeah
cyan hamlet
2-3%
fast trout
💀
cyan hamlet
Comparing 12GB to 12GB ofc
cyan hamlet
I got it mid shortage when $1200 was considered a bargain, and it was the best one I could grab at best buy when I waited overnight
fast trout
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/103090/asrock-to-move-its-gpu-manufacturing-other...
might be a stupid question but why aren't tech products like cpus and gpus made in America? seems like all that stuff is overseas stuff
sleek phoenix
might be a stupid question but why aren't tech products like cpus and gpus made ...
Cost
fast trout
does it have to do with labor being cheaper in places like asia
cyan hamlet
It's a lot cheaper to pay someone $1 an hour to assemble it in China and ship it than it is to pay someone $15 an hour in the US
fast trout
I got it mid shortage when $1200 was considered a bargain, and it was the best o...
seems like there was way more hype over the 6800/6900s and 3080/3090s than there is for high end nowadays ngl
sleek phoenix
It's a lot cheaper to pay someone $1 an hour to assemble it in China and ship it...
And to clarify, this is sufficient pay for many people
They don't pay like slave rates over there by and large
Cost of living is just that cheap
cyan hamlet
Yes translated for cost of living that's still good enough
fast trout
i will NOT be moving out in this economy anytime soon
sleek phoenix
You can live in parts of Beijing for like 50 cents a day
fast trout
cant imagine the quality of living is great tho
sleek phoenix
I have a real example of this, my stay in Mexico I spent 3 or 4 days only eating out, I spent 10 usd
It's just cheap af to live
It's not egregious
I was eating at restaurants and stuff too
Dominos one night
Lol
Not every country is like this tho
Like if you stay at international hotels
Many cases they charge international rates
So like it'll cost maybe $3 to produce this high quality dish
Let's say a nice cut of steak
But they'll still charge like 20usd
cyan hamlet
That applies to street vendors too, they see an American walk by and double the cost of everything for them
sleek phoenix
So it's not always 1 to 1 but yeah if you know what you're doing you can live really really cheap in Asia
Yeah exactly
The white debuff
cyan hamlet
If you speak the local language well enough you can convince them to bring it back down 😉
Especially if they start trash talking you in their language in front of you
cyan hamlet
cyan hamlet
Looks like we have the data on the results of people switching to AMD because they got tired of changing out the 13900K CPUs from their servers.
fast trout
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/asus-rolls-out-golden-rtx-5090-f...
slap in the face ngl
cyan hamlet
How the mighty have fallen, and as a result of their own complacence.
fast trout
nervous for march
rdna 4 could honestly make or break gpu pricing
nvidia 60/70 will be overpriced and have no vram like usual im assuming
thats the market radeon just needs to finally own otherwise we are just going to keep getting more expensive low end
cause clearly people will pay over 2k for a gpu, whats to stop the companies from making them that expensive every time
vivid kelp
We really will be seeing 6090 2GB for $4000 and 6099Ti Super Deluxe 32GB for $30000
compact egret
with a 192 bit memory bus
manic horizon
Yikers
spice cedar
Welp guys we’re abt to near the point where we just cant turn the settings down enough to run games properly
It came sooner than expected ngl
marble meteor
5 days of ps+ as compensation lol
wouldn't even give people a week
oh and some people who don't have ps+ were still affected and they get nothing lmao
and allegedly the annual black friday sale is only for accounts without an active sub
so the 5 days might mean people can't get the black Friday deal
sharp wing
I mean additional 5 days makes sense. Ps plus is very time driven and if you can’t play the games that are part of it for several days out of the month you paid for you would feel cheated
sleek phoenix
5 days and half the people affected got nothing due to not being paid
Lmfao
All those people logging in for time sensitive events got nothing I can't-
sleek phoenix
Hahahahaha
https://youtu.be/41eZsOYUVx0
cyan hamlet
The person that reported that re-used their 12VHPWR connector that they had from before so it wasn't even a proper 12V-2x6
And that pin was likely worn out already since it was in use for a while
sleek phoenix
Yes it likely was
However "Worn out" isn't a concept
I unplugged and replugged my 12vhpwr adapters 1000 times
It's always a bad insertion
cyan hamlet
But I do agree with BZ's take that they should go back to having tons of shunts, one for every 12V line at least
sleek phoenix
I 100% agree yes
I would be willing to put any money on the fact they inserted it incorrectly
However that doesn't mean as I've said before that the spec is fine
It's not
The connector has always been rubbish
Even on 2x6 spec repair channels still report constant incoming 90 cards with melted connectors
They're supposed to not work, not melt
The pins shorter doesn't work as BZ says
cyan hamlet
Even the Assus cards that know when a pin is misbehaving only send a warning in software... that might not even be installed
sleek phoenix
Yep
Asus didn't even go the full shebang either
And like, we both have 12v cables
Even the 3080 ti ones can melt lmfao
But this is just unacceptable
3 gens now and they still can't get this right
Shorter sense pins in the connector even with 12vhpwr and it still is melting
Lmfao
cyan hamlet
Wonder how long it'll be until they just make a new connector standard entirely, without admitting any fault in the current design ofc
sleek phoenix
They surely have to admit it by now
Guess that's something I can look forward to on the 6090 if that thing looks worth the money
@cyan hamlet
2x6
They have no leg to stand on, moddiy is a big company 💀
cyan hamlet
Only ATX 3.0? Not 3.1?
Hope that's just a typo
Because otherwise that would mean it pre-dates the official 12V-2x6 spec and runs off a draft version that doesn't use the shorter/longer pin design
sleek phoenix
Only ATX 3.0? Not 3.1?
In other words, typo
2x6 is 3.1
And 3.0 is just longer hold up time
So effectively it's 3.1
proper anvil
Bag of salt <:TE_PJSalt:559816624585048065>
The greatest cap ever presented
sleek phoenix
The greatest cap ever presented
Harukaze tends to be very reliable but yeah, I'll believe it when I see it
proper anvil
Harukaze tends to be very reliable but yeah, I'll believe it when I see it
Absolutely
ionic hearth
5 days of ps+ as compensation lol
wow 5 days! *i pay for it monthly
compact egret
Bag of salt <:TE_PJSalt:559816624585048065>
RX 9000 in march???
Kinda sus
stopping production of older models
Yeah that sounds about right
Apparently the 7800XT was planned to end production in 2025 Q3 but now it's been announced in January that it's stopping production
Smh leakers not translating the whole paragraph
sleek phoenix
Interesting
"stopping" could mean slowing down
And that would make sense if they're soon to replace it with something better
manic horizon
not to mention that if AMD told TSMC to stop the fabs today on the 7000 series
there would still be cards assembled brand new 4 or 5 months from now iirc
compact egret
True
sleek phoenix
spice cedar
Impressive.
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/nvidias-new-tech-red...
They will do anything but just add a bit of extra vram huh 💀
They also gave the 4070super more l2 cache right? Cache which iirc is supposed to be pretty damn expensive
cyan hamlet
Wow another tech for game developers to never implement
sleek phoenix
https://youtu.be/Ndmoi1s0ZaY
What the actual hell. This isn't a quality issue. It MELTED A WHOLE CABLE STRAND.
manic horizon
That is legitimately disgusting
fast trout
I don’t understand how that design was ever allowed to leave the factory
Seems like it’s been nothing but problems with it for the last few years
Surely when they were testing it they saw it had problems and just decided to roll with it anyway
manic horizon
Oh it's intentional I'm almost sure
I'd not be surprised if nVidia wanted to force people to upgrade PSUs that have native PCIE5
Cuz they're basically a monopoly at this point (almost)
cyan hamlet
The ones that melted were native PCIe 5.0
And they melted on both sides of the connector
GPU and PSU side
cyan hamlet
Roman tested it with an AX1600i, which uses the Corsair Type 4 cable (like a beefy dual 8 pin on one end and 12VHPWR on the other) and saw this after one minute of 600W load.
Over 130 Celsius
One cable was carrying over 23A (276W) while another was only carrying 3A, no load balancing at all
proper anvil
https://youtu.be/kb5YzMoVQyw
willow copper
Its awful how many things are like that
Apple
Mcdonalds
The kookie ass gamer peripherals people get
People just like brand names and easy 🥹
cyan hamlet
C*rsair
willow copper
C*rsair
serene marsh
Giggleblast
fast trout
Lmao
fast trout
Also I see a lot of leaks pointing to a 599$ USD launch for the 9070 XT, do we think that’s a compelling price point if it can deliver between like 7900 XT-XTX rast. with better rt?
agile perch
Imo yes
It's on the higher end of what I would like but its would be good value considering the 50 series launch
fast trout
It's on the higher end of what I would like but its would be good value consider...
What are you rocking now for your system? I think it has a 3060 right?
fast trout
Was a 3060 ti but it decided it didn't like living anymore
oh yeah I remember you mentioning that to me
What’s a 2080 ti equivalent to in terms of like 30 series/rdna 2
sleek phoenix
GUYS
IT'S THE CALIFORNIA FIRES IN THE TECH SPACE TODAY
https://videocardz.com/newz/redditor-reports-amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-burned-while-watching-tv-series
IT WAS INSERTED CORRECTLY
X
Pictures inside
Can't get the preview to fully work
sleek phoenix
Moddiy response to the situation:
https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/s/g13SDSL1Lw
compact egret
IT'S THE CALIFORNIA FIRES IN THE TECH SPACE TODAY
https://videocardz.com/newz/re...
Are modern sockets designed that poorly?
I've been seeing a lot of these recently
cyan hamlet
Can't get the preview to fully work
Twitter doesn't embed properly so you need to redirect it like so
https://fxtwitter.com/ghost_motley/status/1889430767731614083
manic horizon
So it's basically almost confirmed the 5090 isn't a cable/user error problem?
cyan hamlet
Based on early hardware analysis yes
Luckily one of the 5090s that burned was in Berlin so Roman could inspect it and the power supply right away (both burned)
sleek phoenix
WHOA
@agile perch
Didn't you want to see this? Or am I thinking of someone else
Ah I can't remember
sleek phoenix
How tf do you go from 4 to 1 and then think it's still ok to use 1
After 2 years of melting
LMFAO
compact egret
Let me get this right
They're using 12vhpwr, a connector known for shenanigans
On a gpu that consumes more power than ever
And they decided to use a single connector
compact egret
What is nvidia smoking
Do they think this is a game of chess
Or do they think they're so screwed that they're playing these stupid games
sleek phoenix
I find this part crazy interesting
@cyan hamlet think that the cables are just not seating properly leading to fire??
Like not bad insertion
But bad pin seating??
compact egret
I think the fact that it has the chance to do that is crazy
They really really need to engineer a better standard
That's idiot proof
sleek phoenix
Reposting this cos I genuinely think there's a connection
Boeing is gonna love this
compact egret
WHAT
BAHAHAHAHHA
Even with the overhead that comes with compatibility layers?
He is using an AMD GPU so it could have something to do with better radeon drivers
Nvidia might be a different story
agile perch
Didn't you want to see this? Or am I thinking of someone else
YESSSSS
Lezgo
At least match the 4090 come on amd
proper anvil
manic horizon
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-9070-series-briefly-listed-by-canadian...
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
700 bucks is way too expensive
AMD never missing an opportunity to miss an opportunity
proper anvil
Lol
willow copper
700 cad?
if its 700 cad thats pretty damn good imo
nvm
it is in fact not cad
curious how the prices will be in US
shadow heart
The RX 9070 XT is listed at $999 CAD, which converts approximately $697 USD.
Respectible. Not the greatest but what can you do when inflation hits?
So like, $700 for the flagship
tepid wasp
Don't worry. We can push it higher. 3% in January without any tariffs, number go up because bigger number better
shadow heart
Man we're really going through another RX 480 type of era
Like when the 480 was kind of an underdog (only it's Intel this time)
Now AMD is the expensive one and Nvidia is just outlandish
idk to me that makes sense
willow copper
amd took nvidias place and nvidia took apples place
proper anvil
$700 for a card like this doesn't sit right with me but in this current market what else options you got atp?
manic horizon
Used 6900XT lmao
Literally just buy solid cards at actually reasonable prices by not buying new hardware
willow copper
But then you dont get all the latest gizmos and gadgets!!!!
Like
Better raytracing !
Or uh
Uh
Fsr support but more!
!
manic horizon
GPU market balanced around gimmicks
What the hell is this a Wargaming cash cow?
willow copper
Its like buying forced dlc
manic horizon
It's great isn't it?
willow copper
I cant wait to have zero problem playing older and more reasonably sized indie games
That actually make good games
Oh no! I cant buy overpriced garbage without overpriced garbage!
Im doomed!
spice cedar
I cant wait to have zero problem playing older and more reasonably sized indie g...
Is this why steam deck gamers seem to be happier compared to desktop pc gamers 💀
willow copper
Is this why steam deck gamers seem to be happier compared to desktop pc gamers �...
Oh im a very happy desktop gamer, because new ≠ good
I have way more fun with older titles
Its not even close
I mean there have been some great titles released in the past couple years
But like, games dont just expire like food
Go play bioshock, go play NITW, go play the thousands of titles that youve never played that are probably discounted
shadow heart
FINALLY
sleek phoenix
https://youtu.be/6FJ_KSizDwM
Pay close attention to this. He's an idiot but I noticed this too and I genuinely think he's found the other half of the problem.
I was prattling on about this yesterday or the day before.
I genuinely believe that the connector being fully seated is now only HALF the problem.
Like ram not sitting properly
fast trout
https://youtu.be/6FJ_KSizDwM
Pay close attention to this. He's an idiot but I no...
as in jay is an idiot??
manic horizon
Kind of yeah
fast trout
what makes you guys say that
ive watched him a bit, (sort of background noise sometimes), but he seems fairly knowledgeable at what he does and has a large fanbase it seems
sleek phoenix
what makes you guys say that
He's had a lot of takes in the past where it's like...he doesn't seem like he actually knows anything and it's really off the cuff and not thought through
He used to be a lot more switched on, I watched him way back in like 2020/2021
I'm not saying he's just an outright idiot like bad, just more like he often talks on things he's not really self-educated to a level I think is worthy of a video
He especially did this A LOT during covid
But here's the other side of it, I compliment most of anyone when they come up with something that genuinely is worth it's weight
And the above video I genuinely think is worthy of that
And to be clear, I'm not calling him dishonest, a liar or anything like that, just that it feels like he doesn't think things over and reacts like it's off the rip on camera lol
So most of the time I ignore his content for that reason
Kinda doubled on myself there lol. Got a lot going on rn so can't really be around (mentally or physically)
cyan hamlet
cyan hamlet
TL:DW Roman defends his findings from the likes of Reddit scientists while talking about other creators' findings on the subject
sharp wing
Armchair engineers are the best
compact egret
Person who's done their research and actual testing
vs
Redditors
fast trout
>Person who's done their research and actual testing
vs
>Redditors
Obviously a guy on reddit is correct cmon now
fast trout
And to be clear, I'm not calling him dishonest, a liar or anything like that, ju...
Sorry forgot to reply to this. Yeah I get what you mean, what I have watched from him he seems to sort of ramble sometimes and there are quite a few cuts, which I guess could imply that he isn't as informed about a certian topic as he maybe should be if that makes sense
fast trout
"build momentum" so lets flip the naming scheme for no reason that you guys have used for the last 5 years 💀
what i want to do to whoever is in charge of the radeon department ^
fast trout
Wait until they raise the msrp
as they stated they wouldnt'
reasonable being over 700 is depressing
cyan hamlet
manic horizon
I am severely disappointed
fast trout
https://www.techpowerup.com/332603/amd-radeon-rx-9070-and-9070-xt-listed-on-amaz...
Yeah I read that yesterday wonder if it’ll actually ship or just wait until launch day
I bet they’ll prob just cancel it tbh lol
If my limited knowledge is correct and only being involved in PCs for like 2 years I bet it’ll be another bad msrp launch like rdna 3 and then hopefully prices will come down within a few months
Ik the 7900 XT was the biggest example of that
Went from a 900 dollar card to be regularly available between 650-750
sleek phoenix
west saffron
Links to those tier lists below:
rancid oliveBOT
zach's computer is slow
west saffron
I like this lol
shadow heart
I am severely disappointed
Idk man seems like an overreaction before you've even seen the benchmarks
Zach
rancid oliveBOT
zach's computer is slow
shadow heart
Yeah
manic horizon
Idk man seems like an overreaction before you've even seen the benchmarks
Considering the amount of hype AMD itself made around the cards, I really don't agree there
They went all in on the "High performance for good prices" promises
And then we have a card that's barely cheaper than the last gen
Going anywhere over 750 on the XT is just bad
Ideally it would've been ~650, maybe 700
shadow heart
idk man you sound like an angry Redditor
The benchmarks aren't even out yet
Not to mention that AMD said they're dropping out of the high-end market
You can agree that this is a better situation than what Nvidia is offering (at least so far)
At least it's not some $1K that people originally hyped up only to be disappointed by AI and MFG so you can claim that it outperforms a 4090
sleek phoenix
I think if they want to gain market share they need to appear as way more than just "A better deal"
I would simp a good price any day of the week objectively but if they want mind share and market share their old ideas of just undercutting isn't good enough
We've had good amd cards (Or rather, good enough) for a long as hell time now and yet they've been losing something like 2% market share YoY
I'm still holding out for a 699 price
They really need that 9070XT to make Nvidia look stupid lmao
shadow heart
I agree though. Maybe I see past $749.99 too well and know that it's only a $50 increase
idk I'm still just gonna wait for benchmarks and have an opinion after that
Complaining about it like an angry Redditor gets it nowhere and makes me think less of the people who complain before seeing how it goes pre-release
sleek phoenix
I've seen enough peripheral data to know what both cards will be like
9070XT will be ~XTX or better
5070 TI will sit between 4070 TI super and 4080/S
The prices are all that's really left that's not basically confirmed
A $699 XTX or better gives you a near 5080 experience for 30% less
THAT
Will win market share
The RT be damned but who cares for 30% less tbh
shadow heart
XTXs are still around $800-$900 too, right? So you're basically getting an XTX for at least $50 cheaper lol
shadow heart
Yeah I see what you're saying though. You're not wrong either
sleek phoenix
Not just good price
Ye
750 is GREAT
Like
AMAZING
Take my money plsss
But also
People are nvidiapilled af
750 isn't enough imo
shadow heart
I'm still blaiming inflation
I haven't seen many people mention inflation lol
That's my bet though idk
shadow heart
True I like that approach
sleek phoenix
They need to really give these things away
Make the first week look soooo good
If they're 750 later, 800 later
830?
Fine
Tbh they'll likely be worth near that much really
But to meet the rumour mill they need aggressive af pricing
I'm still praying for it
💀
I will likely try get one if they make it low enough or it has something to it that's worth it's weight in gold
If it's basically an XTX like a lot has said so far, probably won't bother
I don't need a 3rd one lmao
shadow heart
Might get a 9070 XT and see for myself lol
sleek phoenix
Lol
shadow heart
XTX and 4080 are kinda close to each other aren't they
shadow heart
with more VRAM*
sleek phoenix
Ye was typing that lol
shadow heart
lmao
sleek phoenix
Objectively speaking NTC is probably my only objection in terms of value there
But who's to say how effective it is yet
NTC might really shake things up
sleek phoenix
I am 0% surprised
Even the 4K results were extremely predictable
And yet
✨ Doesn't beat the previous 80 card ✨
Wtf
sleek phoenix
The only reason this gets close is gddr7 bandwidth
Everything else, completely predictable
4070 Ti Super XT
💀
shadow heart
"4070 Ti Super Duper" -GN
sleek phoenix
I'm loving this honestly
shadow heart
The only reason this gets close is gddr7 bandwidth
I mean I guess it's a better increase in 4K from the Ti Super than the 4080 Super to 5080
shadow heart
I hate sounding like an angry Redditor but this launch reminds of Ferrari's pitstops in the 2023 F1 season (like wtf were they doing)
sleek phoenix
5070 Ti was the biggest theoretical performance increase to the previous card it replaced
Lol
I'm enjoying this now
Reason is that this is the bed everyone made
Everyone went and bought nvidia, despite the AMD parroting
Now with 2% YoY market loss
Nvidia now sits at over 90% market share
shadow heart
b r u h
sleek phoenix
So nvidia can set whatever price they want
And now people are upset
Like as if this wouldn't happen
shadow heart
Bruh Jay is upset lol
I'm watching his video rn
bro is swearing without censoring it
lmaooo
shadow heart
can't blame them 😭
sleek phoenix
This is the worst launch in like a decade
If not more
Every way you slice this it's the most pathetic results in years
"Oh but they're running out of gains to give us, Moore's law is dead"
Bruh they never changed it
They did an intel refresh
No node shrink
No that's next gen
compact egret
"vote with your wallet" does not account for consumer FOMO
tepid wasp
Vote with your wallet!
Stares at all the people who don't know or don't care and buy Nvidia because all they know is Nvidia = good
Voting with your wallet is a joke. This is the New Gilded Age, you can never escape them
compact egret
These corpos only get to pull the crap that they did because of the lack of common sense in a lot of consumers these days
sleek phoenix
Only US
Ignores the some 150 other countries, vast majority of which have had less or little to no stock
vivid kelp
USA is the only place in existence. Literally no other countries exist man, so why would they need to prepare to ship to what doesnt exist?
Other countries are like 5090s, a figment of our imagination that doesnt exist
tepid wasp
US priority because they get infinite markup for tariffs
ivory pike
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-08445-2
tldr: Microsoft making new states of matter for CPUs
ivory pike
Massive W for Microsoft today
manic horizon
>Only US
That's basically the only market nGreedAI cares about anyway because the US market pays the most and has the biggest press
So it makes actually perfect sense from a business standpoint
It's scummy as hell considering the US already got the vast majority of existing 5090 stocks
But it's perfectly sensible from a business standpoint
cyan hamlet
Voting with your wallet is a joke. This is the New Gilded Age, you can never esc...
Our collective gamer wallets are not deep enough to matter when nvidia can charge 25k for the same product with less features if they slap an AI branding on it and add more memory
cyan hamlet
https://news.microsoft.com/source/features/innovation/microsofts-majorana-1-chip...
We should take this with an entire shaker of salt until it's proven. They announced this before and retracted it in 2021. So far the technical documents are full of theory.
fast trout
USA is the only place in existence. Literally no other countries exist man, so w...
whenever you watch a disaster or superhero movie its always new york or san Francisco that gets destroyed theres obv nowhere else besides us
sleek phoenix
OH
MY
GOD.
THEY'RE GONNA GET SUED TO HELL
AHAHAHAHAHA
THIS IS AS BAD AS THE 4GB MAXWELL CARDS
HAHAHAHA
manic horizon
That's an actual scam
fast trout
untold oak
proper anvil
My honest reaction to this cursed ah post
chilly moat
There has to be some federal probe for nvidia
This is too much
Enough is enough fr
tepid wasp
Federal probe in this country in this year during this administration? Unpossible
chilly moat
Tbh would be the same with last admin too
tepid wasp
You mean the admin that was pursuing antitrust probes against Nvidia and at least attempted to encourage pro-consumer policies? Yeah, sure
chilly moat
sharp wing
No politics please
untold oak
ah yes dont talk about making sure companies are not scamming ppl so they can keep doing that
manic horizon
You mean the admin that was pursuing antitrust probes against Nvidia and at leas...
It wasn't pro-comsumer
They pretended to be
But also shuffled investigations against nGreedAI awa
fast trout
is this the worst gpu launch in the last like 10-15 years would you say
seems like for the 50 series and 5090 espically it keeps getting worse lmao
manic horizon
Like WHAT OTHER PROBLEM could come up at this point
fast trout
dont jinx it lmao
sleek phoenix
is this the worst gpu launch in the last like 10-15 years would you say
Yrs