Should be fine, especially with dlss
#tech-industry-news
cyan hamlet
spice cedar
Should be fine, especially with dlss
Reminds me…
Cant wait to be locked out of dlss 4.0 in two months 
sleek phoenix
We are not sure of more yet, but drivers have improved a lot
I'm expecting an RDNA 2-like generation here
As far as drivers go
fast trout
dang shots fired
sleek phoenix
As far as drivers go
Like, most things work but it will for now have a lot of teething
fast trout
Like, most things work but it will for now have a lot of teething
gotcha
spice cedar
dang shots fired
They learned from amd at a personal level no less
sleek phoenix
My mindset for Battle Mage is where I was with early RDNA 2
fast trout
which was?
sleek phoenix
Same thinking it's like "If you're a power user this will be good"
Or "If you really like savings then..."
spice cedar
What will the c series be called?
sleek phoenix
Those who are ready to commit
spice cedar
There was alchemist
fast trout
celestial?
spice cedar
Then battlemage
spice cedar
Deez nuts
fast trout
wait is it actually celestial @sleek phoenix
sleek phoenix
It actually is lmfao
fast trout
pffft
how did rdna 2 launch
same with 30 series
i wasnt around in the pc space when that happened
like did low end come first
fast trout
i know the XX50s came as a refresh in like 2022
sleek phoenix
how did rdna 2 launch
Shakey, like RDNA 3
fast trout
7900 XT at $900 was a scam lol
sleek phoenix
But by a couple months after RDNA 3 we hit proper driver stability
fast trout
if 7900xt was like 600-700 at launch i bet it would of sold like hotcakes
sleek phoenix
Nah
spice cedar
Druid
Now i kinda wanna know the potential naming for all remaining letters of the alphabet
sleek phoenix
People are too sceptical of radeon
fast trout
the people love ryzen tho
fast trout
see you in 50 years for scepter
sleek phoenix
If Intel meets the slide presentation numbers then we will likely get a real shakeup this next gen
sleek phoenix
NVIDIA has been doing a lot to try and stop it from happening
They've threatened board partners to drop other manus or be cut off
This is why MSI isn't on radeon anymore
It's also why a couple of Intel brands bowed out
spice cedar
NVIDIA has been doing a lot to try and stop it from happening
How will stagnation in successive hardware performance even benefit them?
sleek phoenix
How will stagnation in successive hardware performance even benefit them?
Monopoly
No competition = name your price that the buyer will eat
spice cedar
Monopoly
So there’s a very real possibility that pc gaming might become locked to 60 frames… especially with new games on ue5
sleek phoenix
Nvidia has real partners that deny amd and Intel because of threats from the brand to lose partnership deals
Nvidia is infamous for this with CUDA
Whether or not that means 60fps games...idk
Likely no, whatever that is lmao
But both amd and nvidia have aggressive tendencies to remain strong in the market
cyan hamlet
If Intel meets the slide presentation numbers then we will likely get a real sha...
Even if they fall a little short it'll still be interesting, especially considering there won't be any new competition in that class until middle of next year at the earliest.
sleek phoenix
Ya this is gonna really shake up the mainstream if Intel isn't lying
Tight margin cards, good value focus
They're going for the right target market
fast trout
isnt that the market that rdna 4 plans to target
as there is supposedly no high end rdna 4
spice cedar
Likely no, whatever that is lmao
Sorry i didn’t know how to word it, like with newer games getting more demanding and stagnant performance gains per generation wouldn’t that mean bad performance all around?
cyan hamlet
isnt that the market that rdna 4 plans to target
Upper midrange is still viable, just not top tier halo products
sleek phoenix
Sorry i didn’t know how to word it, like with newer games getting more demanding...
That's just shoestring budgeting on AAA and Devs doing everything they can with minimal time spent
Ends up with stagnant performance cos "ooo 4k 60fps 5090"
spice cedar
That's just shoestring budgeting on AAA and Devs doing everything they can with ...
I kinda feel like they’re doing it purpose to give people a reason to upgrade to next gen hardware ngl
sleek phoenix
I kinda feel like they’re doing it purpose to give people a reason to upgrade to...
That's not nvidia that's just bad optimisation
spice cedar
Cuz in terms of power isn’t most of whats available in the market sufficiently powerful
spice cedar
That's not nvidia that's just bad optimisation
Oh its just kind of a conspiracy theory
I made
sleek phoenix
I made
Watch and learn what I'm talking about
Microsoft has a famous 18/6 rule
It's a terrible practice, means many games have no old talent
The game doesn't even use new generation graphics, they canned that halfway, ran out of development time
Next gen game btw
Multi-billion dollar IP
spice cedar
https://youtu.be/8WG_cBQu01Y
Thats so effing messed up
sleek phoenix
Thats so effing messed up
This is why for the last 2 years I've been screaming about bad game optimisation
Devs do a bad job but it's not their fault
Blame the AAA money factory and accountants bleeding every second dry from these people
That's not a conspiracy it's just fact
So many games that released with poor performance reflect this or something else major
cyan hamlet
Also the megacorps that keep buying the studios and expecting instant profits, then shutting the studios down when they take more than 6 months to launch
sleek phoenix
And the whole "Release then patch" philosophy
Digital ownership...
Follow the money
It all leads to the same place
cyan hamlet
Day 1 patches have always been a crazy concept to me, who grew up in the PS1 era
sleek phoenix
Same
We used to be able to buy games that just work
And that's so rare now
I could pick up a game, any game up until the end of the Xbox 360 era and it just worked
cyan hamlet
They'd still have the occasional glitch but it was rarely game breaking, unlike modern stuff
sleek phoenix
Once we hit Xbox One, things started shifting
Many day 1 games on Xbox one had issues
I remember playing Forza on day 1 and getting into lobbies maybe 1 in 3 times and the lobbies would be constantly lagging lmfao
And they used a slow down penalty for online back then
So I'd do entire races in slow motion sometimes
It was nasty
cyan hamlet
The PS3 was it for me. Skyrim was basically unplayable. My buddy gave up on it after he got trapped in the mind of a dead king and it deleted all his save files. It took them so long to figure out the DLC that they gave it away for free when it finally launched over a year late.
sleek phoenix
Tbh I strongly agree
The end of good games came not long after Xbox one came out
But the bulk was 360/ps3
sleek phoenix
Sony is just as guilty
They gut small firms and take on the IP
They also had the security breach in the PS3 era
sleek phoenix
They could very well ruin it yeah
tepid wasp
They also had the security breach in the PS3 era
I rember 
compact egret
Waiting for the next shocking thing NZXT is going to do
sleek phoenix
I picked the worst era to start gaming…
*Best
proper anvil
these corporations man... they all ass
sleek phoenix
Go download them all from back then
proper anvil
💀
sleek phoenix
And just play them
spice cedar
And just play them
With who…
spice cedar
Who can i talk to
sleek phoenix
💀💀💀
compact egret
I think there's a lawsuit going on that makes emulation more grey
spice cedar
Find people
I cant…
sleek phoenix
Who can i talk to
Chat he can't hear us
compact egret
emulators require bios files from an actual console
compact egret
and nintendo is interpreting that as "bypassing hardware check" or something
so emulators could quite possibly be illegal in the future
sleek phoenix
and nintendo is interpreting that as "bypassing hardware check" or something
Rehash
spice cedar
Many of those era games still actually run P2P servers
Reminding me of that xbox 360 guy from youtube
compact egret
wait
sleek phoenix
so emulators could quite possibly be illegal in the future
Then give us a way to play
compact egret
yeah
they're not even earning money on the games
so petty
like I would happily buy the physical copy of a wii disc
just to play wii sports on dolphin
sleek phoenix
Old guard in there hates what happened to them in the DS era hence why they're like this
compact egret
or switch games
It's not even about piracy for the majority of the emulation crowd
they just want to play the games they grew up with
there is nothing illegal going on, it doesn't hurt anything's profit (at least for the people who emulate legitimately)
it's especially annoying these days because new games releases are just
not as good as they used to be
so I'm pivoting to older games these days
compact egret
pokemon red has more content than the new cod games
different genre but you get what I mean
sleek phoenix
Ye
tepid wasp
they just want to play the games they grew up with
Don't worry we'll rerelease the old games on the new platforms for a limited period of time and wipe it off the face of the planet when we choose
compact egret
I own the physical copies for MGS1,MGS2 and MGS3
I'm missing MGS4 and the psp games
I can legitimately play those games on my pc with modern tweaks
older games just have so much more depth in them
another example
minecraft
compact egret
Minecraft updates have just been slop
compact egret
War thunder
I hate war thunder so much and yet I still play it
they make it so grindy
sleek phoenix
Help me brainstorm here
compact egret
cod
and the worst part is
they DO NOT lower the price for the OLD GAMES
why is black ops 2 still at full retail price
wait
you mean GOOD games
sleek phoenix
Tf2
compact egret
STALKER
sleek phoenix
Yep yep
compact egret
Tf2
I still play tf2 from time to time
five nights at freddy's ahahahahahahha
seriously tho fnaf 1 had so much more depth than the sequels
tepid wasp
Kingdoms of Amalur
compact egret
Star Wars: Empire at war
sleek phoenix
Pokemon HG and SS
compact egret
half life + half life 2
sleek phoenix
Kerbal
sleek phoenix
Old nfs
compact egret
it's so fun to just fling around
sleek phoenix
Forza horizon 4
compact egret
L.A. Noire
compact egret
lego star wars
sleek phoenix
Gta5
compact egret
Mafia II
compact egret
Quake
sleek phoenix
Old Tekken, street fighter
compact egret
Assassin's Creed IV
sleek phoenix
Yeah quakes a good one
compact egret
the batman games
sleek phoenix
Assassin's Creed IV
All the old ones
compact egret
I only play AC4 specifically because of the pirate mechanics
sleek phoenix
There's also indie
proper anvil
yar
compact egret
any COD game before ghosts
sleek phoenix
Golf with your friends
compact egret
Euro Truck Simulator 2
compact egret
microsoft flight simulator X
sleek phoenix
Yesss
compact egret
I used to go onto random FSX servers
I really should try playing flight sims again
FS2020's really fun in VR
sleek phoenix
It's kinda mind boggling tho how many old games have life these days
compact egret
OpenTTD
sleek phoenix
Beamng
compact egret
Europa Universalis IV, Hearts of Iron IV, Crusader Kings II, Victoria II
sleek phoenix
What's that zombie game
compact egret
L4D2?
sleek phoenix
Yepppp
cyan hamlet
pokemon red has more content than the new cod games
Pokemon black/white remake is going to be the first pkmn game on switch 2 💀
tepid wasp
are we old?
Yes
compact egret
SCP Containment Breach
that's a classic
I've played that game so many times
and every time I had to cheat to noclip because one of the rooms needed to progress was clipped into another room so I was softlocked
spice cedar
Now i’m seeing why upscaling options have become so readily available ever since they came out
Like even i thought it was strange for seemingly new tech to get adopted so fast
compact egret
the new tomb raider trilogy?
tepid wasp
Also I don't wanna be that guy, but this is #tech-industry-news and the convo should probably move 
sleek phoenix
Portalllll
sleek phoenix
spice cedar
gamers we moving to <#500103141900025857> ?
Moving deez nuts to #gaming
compact egret
sore strikes again
spice cedar
sore strikes again
Striking yo face with deez nuts
spice cedar
sleek phoenix
sleek phoenix
Ends up with stagnant performance cos "ooo 4k 60fps 5090"
Speaking of which @spice cedar
Another one
cyan hamlet
I've never seen my gpu so far down a specs list
Apparently the 3080 ti can't even do minimum RT 😭
cyan hamlet
But... 30 series no fg
cyan hamlet
The frame gen part of that doesn't work
sleek phoenix
The frame gen part of that doesn't work
Wasn't that the main part
cyan hamlet
That was the main part of 3.0
sleek phoenix
3.5 was supposed to be legacy FG
I can't remember the specific wording but 3.0 uses gen 3 tensor
Whereas 3.5 was for 2 or 1
cyan hamlet
3.5 added ray reconstruction to 2000+ iirc
spice cedar
Speaking of which <@692066236799909908>
Just effing kill me
cyan hamlet
You have to mod things to get fg working on 2000/3000
spice cedar
3.5 added ray reconstruction to 2000+ iirc
Whenever i use dlss and ray reconstruction in cyberpunk with my 4070s i notice some artifacting or missing stuff the ai cant make up in this case ig
That normal?
spice cedar
So dlss and stuff is technically a tech demo as well
sleek phoenix
3.5 added ray reconstruction to 2000+ iirc
No wonder we're confused again, more bad wording
Then look at this
Wow so 30 series can't use native FG even though it's capable is 💀💀💀
Welp, XeSS better anyway
spice cedar
Can u use dlss 3 with a 30 series?
spice cedar
So 40 series will be locked out of 4?
sleek phoenix
Likely if they keep up the trend
spice cedar
Welp, XeSS better anyway
Is xess ai based or similar to fsr?
cyan hamlet
Possibly, if they think the tensor cores aren't up to it
sleek phoenix
2000 wasn't locked out of 2 tho
sleek phoenix
Is xess ai based or similar to fsr?
Similar but better upscaling
Here's a fun factoid
Intel is the best at both upscaling and RT
spice cedar
Intel is the best at both upscaling and RT
Bruh
spice cedar
So they technically have the means to dominate in rt?
cyan hamlet
Then look at this
Yep
sleek phoenix
If they could make a gpu as loaded as a 4090 yeah
sleek phoenix
Yep
Hate that, they had a whole presentation that didn't make this clear
Wool over the eyes
cyan hamlet
Had to be intentional yeah
spice cedar
If they could make a gpu as loaded as a 4090 yeah
So they could become a black horse
sleek phoenix
So they could become a black horse
Why do you think I'm hyped for Battle Mage?
Lol
spice cedar
Why do you think I'm hyped for Battle Mage?
To render deez nuts with path tracing?
sleek phoenix
They have a better package AND price than AMD for less if you believe the numbers, but worse drivers
And NVIDIA is way out
spice cedar
Imagine if battlemage becomes successful enough that intel gives up on consumer gaming cpus altogether and goes all into being a gpu company
sleek phoenix
You imagine Intel does really well with driver support over the next two years, then they release, idk C990 (6090 equivalent) but they have full driver maturity
Just imagine how frightening that is for nvidia
And why their behaviours against Intel make so much sense
cyan hamlet
I play too many DX9 and older games to consider maining an Arc but if I was just playing modern stuff and I was looking at midrange... tempting.
sleek phoenix
They're taking AMD's road but paving a better way
spice cedar
So for intel the hurdles are drivers and aib manufacturers right?
sleek phoenix
Drivers
spice cedar
Wbt capital?
sleek phoenix
They have aibs now
sleek phoenix
Wbt capital?
Return is a concern but they need market share
Even AMD struggles here
spice cedar
Drivers
Whats the process of gpu driver development?
Sounds like it could be a juicy career option
cyan hamlet
Intel is officially getting their billions the gov promised (but not all of it) so they'll have money for a bit
spice cedar
Wouldn’t it make sense to consolidate that for processors?
Or does intel make gpus for enterprise purposes as well?
sleek phoenix
Whats the process of gpu driver development?
Code a translation library for the card to read, the shorter code it needs the better, while also staying secure
If you're good at programming that's a well paying job
No copy paste BS, they make code to read as short and fast as possible
spice cedar
No copy paste BS, they make code to read as short and fast as possible
So it would be hard for AI to make code for it?
sleek phoenix
No
But it's not something I'd say could always be improved with by using ai
AI uses working examples
If no working examples of better exist, the AI won't tell you it exists
shut osprey
So it would be hard for AI to make code for it?
Yeah no making the code wouldn't be hard
The amount of stability in the code?
That's what's hard imo
Any shmuck can write a code that works, but not one that works well
shut osprey
If no working examples of better exist, the AI won't tell you it exists
Especially since this
vivid kelp
You have to mod things to get fg working on 2000/3000
All mods Ive seen for fg just makes it run FSR or dont actually enable DLSS FG. I still have yet to see any DLSS FG on Ampere/Turing
vivid kelp
3 is a 40 series thing
DLSS 2/3/3.5 work on all RTX cards, just some features are locked to certain cards.
Just think of it like drivers. Any modern driver version works with any card. Newer driver versions have newer features. Some features dont work on all cards. IMO it isnt that confusing, it's just like any other software versioning. We all deal with it and experience it with most software we use. The only confusing thing Nvidia did was not put FG into another table when they showed their DLSS diagram table thing (or add another row at the top with two groups, "All RTX" and "Ada and newer").
An simple little thing of my very last example
Also how lots of companies show their software features with comparisons to either their other products, competitor products, various payment plans, etc.
vivid kelp
Wow so 30 series can't use native FG even though it's capable is 💀💀💀
Also ray reconstitution and FG are pretty different. Going with what I replied to Fal, haven't seen any proof that Ampere/Turing got FG.
sleek phoenix
Also ray reconstitution and FG are pretty different. Going with what I replied t...
They do, cos you can use other FG tech to pull off the essentially same thing with them
It's not nvidias version of it no but it works just about as well
vivid kelp
It's not nvidias version of it no but it works just about as well
Last I checked Nvidia was still better on reduction of artifacting, effectively making it the best to use due to better visuals. I'd also like to note that other FG is irrelevant to proving whether Ampere/Turing can do DLSS FG, including on what Nvidia markets to its consumers. To give an example of what I mean, you dont blame Microsoft for stating you cant really do a large virtual server thing on Windows 10 Home even tho you can on Linux. Hardware is capable of said stuff, just like your point with FG, but it wont be fun on Windows. Just like how Linux and Windows be different, so are the other FG. DLSS FG supposedly requires a "high end" OFA (optical flow accelorator) of which Ampere/Turing only have a "low end" OFA. Their documentation does state some differences with perf, and iirc I did see some tests on that as well (but I can also hallucinate info lol).
sleek phoenix
It won't be as strong as 40 series I'm sure, but as far as end results AFmF is about as good as DLSS FG so I really don't see why they can't give the rest of the masses some native implementation
It's as much to say while ok, "There's nothing to say they can do native", the opposing side also exists
"They can get near identical results with other brand software"
It just irks me that literally the focal point for DLSS 3.5 that the presentation release that they had was about how 30 series supports it and it has frame gen
It's slimey marketing
Like I don't disagree with your counterpoints, I just think that NVIDIA is rather, soft locking the tech to sell the newer generation
I would be all but confirmed of this too if by next gen we get some sort of DLSS revamp that does give us an FSR 3-like implementation of FG for legacy cards
It's counterintuitive
NVIDIA doesn't need to do more work for this as they already know XeSS and FSR can make up legacy shortfall, but for the layman that don't understand, they're either too foolish to know the difference between any of this and buy NVIDIA anyway, or they're too smart and buy into it, knowing FSR FG exists
Nobody loses but it proves that NVIDIA just wants to sell you the new tech
Think of it in reverse
4070 Ti vs 3090 Ti
You take out DLSS FG
They are basically the same card but one has a better bus and vram
4070, another great example
Vs 3080 12gb, without FG it has nothing
Only AV1 encode
AMD does this too btw, don't think I'm singling out
spice cedar
I havent even used frame gen
sleek phoenix
I basically never use it
vivid kelp
It's slimey marketing
I still dont see this point. DLSS is just a software library. You got v1, v2, v3, v3.5, etc. In v3 and v3.5 there is a specific featureset for FG.
Just think about with with NVENC/NVDEC/QuickSync/etc. It's the same deal more or less. Marketing is the same. Im still kinda confused at how others think this is confusing.
sleek phoenix
I still dont see this point. DLSS is just a software library. You got v1, v2, v3...
Cos you probably didn't see the original press release
spice cedar
Can frame gen tech be used in non gaming scenarios? Or has it already been done?
sleek phoenix
It basically communicated itself like "30 series can now do frame gen"
Which as we both agree it cannot
vivid kelp
Cos you probably didn't see the original press release
I did, I saw it all. Their image marketing with that table that you dislike
sleek phoenix
It should be possible though
Not the table
There were other slides
It was a whole video if I recall
And I'm cluey enough to pick up on whether something is or isn't there
It had this but in a slide deck
Showing "30 series" underneath
I've tried looking for it already but I never found it
But it used that exact video to reference
And gave this misrepresentation that it had FG
That's why I see it as slimey because I have worked under that notion for a while now, but I own no 30 series card rn to verify it
vivid kelp
Showing "30 series" underneath
Never saw anything that was so "illegally" defined like that. Everything I saw was moderately well defined. I somewhat enjoyed reddit back then and didnt see anyone noting anything either.
Might've been CDPR that released a more indepth of it? Like I do think I remember some official marketing that had a RR test with Ampere, but it showed that no FG was used
vivid kelp
But if that is your point on the slimey marketing, then I'd probably agree.
sleek phoenix
Oh god trying to search for it is just half filled with safi messages
I give up
I am not up to torturing myself
proper anvil
Biggest question is if XeSS framegen will be available for all GPUs and if it's any better than AMD's FSR 3.1 FG
sleek phoenix
@vivid kelp but you can see I've been working under this idea for a long time
sleek phoenix
Biggest question is if XeSS framegen will be available for all GPUs and if it's ...
Intel has the best RT and XeSS ATM from what I know
proper anvil
XeSS 1.3.1 presents good visual quality than FSR
sleek phoenix
So odds are yes
sleek phoenix
It's ironic, AMD has the best raster, NVIDIA has the best middle ground, Intel best RT
proper anvil
😂
sleek phoenix
There's no level playing field between them lmao
proper anvil
If Qualcomm joins dgpu: best efficiency
sleek phoenix
Fr
proper anvil
NGL I would like a fourth competitor already
sleek phoenix
Moore's Law incoming
proper anvil
That Chinese GPU?
proper anvil
Specs look beefy but dang these drivers hold it back
Made it look weak AF and inefficient
vivid kelp
I am not up to torturing myself
Did you post it in wegg, and ye sure it was CP77 RR demo?
sleek phoenix
It was def a pick of that cp77 clip
But idk if it was even Newegg lmao
1.5 years ago, I don't really delete messages unless I'm like realllyyyy stupid and notice it in the same day
proper anvil
RTX 5060 at the very least has to be faster than the 4060ti
sleek phoenix
RTX 5060 at the very least has to be faster than the 4060ti
Inb4 4060.5
sleek phoenix
I bet they find some A.I way to make it faster and that's why they sell it as a new tier card
proper anvil
Very plausible
proper anvil
I wonder what life would be like now if ATI managed to stay alive
Would we get something drastically different
sleek phoenix
I wonder what life would be like now if ATI managed to stay alive
They'd be making ryzen
sleek phoenix
I'd like to imagine that it was a fight to the death
proper anvil
ATI v AMD
sleek phoenix
Like it's a 4060 "except if you do this it's a 4070"
Double down on this btw, brands love having an ecosystem
Apple is a classic case
proper anvil
Samsung
sleek phoenix
Real
proper anvil
Sony
proper anvil
Cooked phone
spice cedar
Felix sorry for interrupting but do u think a vader 4 pro is worth it?
sleek phoenix
What is that
spice cedar
sleek phoenix
Also why does Vader have 9 lives
spice cedar
Wrong link
sleek phoenix
https://a.co/d/boJ8Sah
Good
spice cedar
sleek phoenix
Never seen that before
spice cedar
I busted my gamesir’s b and y buttons…
spice cedar
Glazing
sleek phoenix
If it looks good and software is good go for it
sleek phoenix
Look for common bad reviews
Like
"My buttons went after 3 months" a number of times
spice cedar
Got it
sleek phoenix
If you see common issues then that's what to look out for
But if it's otherwise really glowing then yeah
He + mech is a good sign already
Just want good firmware
spice cedar
Looks like most people didn’t appreciate the software
Not many bad reviews in contrast to good ones it seems
I’ll keep looking ig
80 bucks is a lot to drop on a cont
sleek phoenix
If it's like, overall really good reviews
spice cedar
Will prolly go with the 8bitdo
sleek phoenix
I mean no problem, this is basically what I do every time I find something new
Videos help a lot
I try and get the full picture in like 5-10 minutes otherwise I'll never have any time in the day
Welp time to work
@vivid kelp don't worry about trying to find it btw, appreciate it if you tried but I can let things go lol
Not worth the hassle
I'll just accept I was probably having a bad memory again
vivid kelp
<@207156621531545600> don't worry about trying to find it btw, appreciate it if ...
Ye I did try looking, Found a slightly earlier message than your 3080 message that was basically noting same thing but no img.
vivid kelp
Ye it was this #graphics-cards message
sleek phoenix
Interesting
I have a vague recollection of that
And also true, FSR 3.0 FG is targeted to work on everything
Everything it can anyway
Time to go fr✌️
vivid kelp
Can frame gen tech be used in non gaming scenarios? Or has it already been done?
Usually it'd be frame interpolation, been a thing on TVs for a long long time. Much higher input latency tho.
vivid kelp
An simple little thing of my very last example
@sleek phoenix Does my edited image make it easier to understand what DLSS versions are tho?
sleek phoenix
<@101107951401455616> Does my edited image make it easier to understand what DLS...
It would've communicated the distinction better
Yeah
vivid kelp
It would've communicated the distinction better
I do dislike that originally the order was "all, 40, all" as well as the distinction text being small tho
manic horizon
oh boy I called it
cyan hamlet
There was a lot of "I don't have the answers" in the video with the CEO
"I don't think this has happened" is very different from possible realities
manic horizon
"I don't think this has happened" is very different from possible realities
to be fair, with calling people "confused" for calling out an obvious scam is not exactly the smartest move
shut osprey
Y'all just stupid bro
Obviously that's not what all our marketing meant even though that was a very reasonable and charitable interpretation
spice cedar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAANNGvMANM
His eye for detail is crazy good
Like he sees through so many nuances and unassuming language that most people would not think twice abt
compact egret
Like he sees through so many nuances and unassuming language that most people wo...
that's why he's tech jesus
he keeps the tech corporations in line
sleek phoenix
He's used to this type of stuff too
compact egret
not quite tech news but
this is what happens when you shut down the 3G network in a country infamous for poor coverage when the 4G and 5G network is nowhere ready
sharp wing
Ive noticed even close to nyc my old phone that doesn’t have 5g barely functions on cellular now
scenic torrent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAANNGvMANM
They gonna float
vivid kelp
I mean like 3G network is scary to leave on due to huge security vulnerabilities, but people need to funcion regardless
shut osprey
I mean like 3G network is scary to leave on due to huge security vulnerabilities...
3g and 4g are still plenty vulnerable since they use ss7
But you don't see them turning off 4G
5G is currently the most secure but they barely have infrastructure
spice cedar
Imagine if universal won the copyright claim for king kong being used by Nintendo as donkey kong…
sleek phoenix
Imagine if universal won the copyright claim for king kong being used by Nintend...
The true final boss 
spice cedar
The true final boss <:OMEGALUL:667862986408460309>
I wonder what the gaming industry would be like if Nintendo was nipped in the bud right then and there
shadow heart
This server if Rule 2 was denounced
Most powerful rule. Almost too much power
The curating rule. It dominates. It contains me
sleek phoenix
The curating rule. It dominates. It contains me
Have you tried therapy
shadow heart
therapy 💀
sleek phoenix
fervent anchor
https://www.guru3d.com/story/microsoft-drops-mandatory-tpm-20-requirement-for-wi...
was this last night's update?
sleek phoenix
Ye
Many many windows 11 non-compliant devices can now upgrade
Which is how it always should've been
cyan hamlet
With the caveat that they won't get all the usual updates
fervent anchor
wait my win 10 pc is missing out on updates
🔥 that is FIRE 🥶 i've always thought windows updates are annoying
shadow heart
https://www.guru3d.com/story/microsoft-drops-mandatory-tpm-20-requirement-for-wi...
Does this mean I can install Windows 11 on my 2200G?
compact egret
The curating rule. It dominates. It contains me
Not only you
shadow heart
e
cyan hamlet
They already said they aren't targeting the high end anymore, the most I'm hoping for is 7900 XTX level performance for less power and cost
With better RT
fast trout
8800 XT with like between 7900 XT-XTX rast w/ better RT at like $500-600 would sell like hotcakes if its marketed well imo
500-600 is wishful thinking these days
maybe im out of touch idk 💀
cyan hamlet
All that is totally possible since the high end stuff takes so much more R&D cost and much lower yields. The lower end stuff should be cheaper too since it doesn't need to subsidize that extra cost.
fast trout
if people want high end they will always buy nvidia imo, if they are going high end they have the deep pockets for it
im just excited for this round of gpu launches i havent been around in the pc space before for a new gen launch like this
im almost certian i wont be upgrading but still, i like reading up and seeing all the new stuff
shadow heart
Not targeting high end anymore is wild
I wanted 4080 level performance at 7800 XT prices but I guess we're never getting that 🫠
cyan hamlet
That's pretty much exactly what I expect tbh
Maybe not current 7800 prices but definitely msrp
shadow heart
Didn’t even realize the 7800 XT rose in price lol. My 4070 Super has been good enough for me
spice cedar
sleek phoenix
Ok I think drivers had it really under my estimates unfortunately, but this, is impressive af
And this RT result is with this disclaimer:
GN said the same thing, Wukong is brutal af for RT on anything not Nvidia
So that had a heavy influence
spice cedar
GN said the same thing, Wukong is brutal af for RT on anything not Nvidia
Huh i thought he used no rt settings for his bmw benchmark
sleek phoenix
Wukong
And this is important as the supposed raw RT perf is above (And this is true in other games) a 4060
cyan hamlet
Matches the 3060 ti at 1440p without RT, almost matches the 3060 with RT. That's right where Intel wanted to be.
steel echo
Need a techspot article next
fast trout
Ok I think drivers had it really under my estimates unfortunately, but this, is ...
thats crazy
a B590 could easily compete in the upper midrange if they decide to pursue that
give it 16gbs of vram under $450 and that'd sell well imo
or would it be like a B790
idk how their naming works lol
cyan hamlet
It's still early enough for them to do whatever they want with the naming
fast trout
im watching GN video on it rn
the most im learning tbh is how poorly some of the older cards are performing these days 
cyan hamlet
Interesting
I guess those AI cores also work with FSR?
shadow heart
That’s wild
vivid kelp
*Interesting*
I guess those AI cores also work with FSR?
Unless there is proof of utilization via some proper profiler (actually checking hardware util or driver calls), idk about that. Bottom three have same percentage gap, top one is a different percentage gap. But that difference can be chalked up to a lot of stuff. I dont know too many people that do microbenchmarking, but Chips & Cheese come to mind, with their A770 Microbenchmark. Any one of those variables in them funni benchmarks, as well as others prolly, can def changes things when it comes to compute workloads such as frame gen.
vivid kelp
Also yeah FSR Quality and XeSS Quality may have same framerate, but that also tells almost nothing tbh. Two completely different tech with different compute stuff. I dont think XeSS v1 is even using matrix accelerator cores given that it works on any GPU.
compact egret
https://www.techspot.com/news/105924-do-not-track-mozilla-dropping-privacy-featu...
Librewolf gang
cyan hamlet
It's not as bad as you think, that feature just requested websites to not track you. None of them honored that request.
shut osprey
It's not as bad as you think, that feature just *requested* websites to not trac...
Also fair
It was just a request
Guess I should be using a VPN more then
vivid kelp
Not Sell Data request likely better cuz have to follow it for EU laws
DNT kinda just a funni fingerprint technique now as said in the article (meaning, it helps with tracking).
compact egret
Might be time to switch to librewolf
you can tell which websites are embedded with trackers because sometimes they won't even load with librewolf
vivid kelp
Actually cool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyai_kUYhLs
sharp wing
Yeah those look interesting. Somewhat limited application though at the moment
shut osprey
True solid state fans
sleek phoenix
proper anvil
wow, shocker!
I sure love it when a company loves to snoop into any info, sound, visuals they get
really makes their customers feel secure!
👍👍👍
shadow heart
I still don't trust any OS
sharp wing
as you should
shadow heart
"Apple bad because they steal data" wrong. All OS manufacturers do that (other than maybe Linux)
sharp wing
yeah I don't think stock linux would do that
sleek phoenix
shut osprey
And let me guess, they also "accidentally" sold these conversations to advertise...
Yeah oopsie sorry guys
Buy better AMD chips pls
-Intel GPU
shadow heart
I feel like any OS that forces you to make an account (email, etc.) is bound to spy on you
Most Linux-based OSs don't ask for you to sign into your "Linux hub"
proper anvil
https://youtu.be/00GmwHIJuJY
I just watched it, bummed out
Market itself as a budget GPU but cannot pair well with budget CPUs and they ain't even THAT OLD
Needs rebar to get adequate performance always, man this sucks
gusty mountain
I feel like any OS that forces you to make an account (email, etc.) is bound to ...
Cant tell if this is misinformation or truly some weird linux distro, because you aren't forced to use an account on either windows or mac 
there's chromeOS, which is more of an android os (linux based)
cyan hamlet
Mac is also Unix based which is what Linux is based on
I don't really see what you were trying to say here
gusty mountain
Macs dont force you to sign into an account, windows doesn't force you. Only OS I know of on a "computer" that forces an account is chromeOS
cyan hamlet
Windows tries to force you, you have to bypass it now
gusty mountain
Yeah, and its not difficult
Even if you do sign in, you click sign in with a local account instead. On macs you have to go through a whole process to remove your apple id (find my mac, icloud shenanigans and a few others I'm forgetting)
ivory pike
Market itself as a budget GPU but cannot pair well with budget CPUs and they ain...
It needs driver updates
proper anvil
It needs driver updates
For sure, that driver overhead has got to be bad
The question is how long till they fix it 😔
cyan hamlet
tbf this is a good position to be in for them, where we aren't nitpicking game compatibility any more and instead we want them to optimize more
sleek phoenix
cyan hamlet
Class action lawsuit against NZXT may be incoming. GN reportedly has been contacted by attorneys to figure that out regarding the Flex PC rental program.
willow copper
Get the popcorn out
manic horizon
I wonder how much is stripped out
Cuz that's B860, not a Z chipset board
If they give CPU OC for that much, then yes absolutely coming in hot
cyan hamlet
idk it took until B560 just to get xmp support
manic horizon
idk it took until B560 just to get xmp support
and iirc XMP was Intel-specific kek
sleek phoenix
If they give CPU OC for that much, then yes absolutely coming in hot
They won't
B760 and B660 had it but it wasn't true support
And specific boards only
B series and Z series exist as two separate board classes for a reason
sleek phoenix
@cyan hamlet @agile perch https://old.chipsandcheese.com/2025/01/07/digging-into-driver-overhead-on-intels-b580/
It's difficult to understand but the issue seems to sit at a driver level
proper anvil
It's difficult to understand but the issue seems to sit at a driver level
This is good, relieved that it's not the hardware at fault
cyan hamlet
Right, that means it's fixable with driver optimization
sharp wing
Wait, we are calling 9th gen intel legacy now?
cyan hamlet
Uh, yeah, I'm pretty sure 11th gen is considered legacy now depending on who you ask
sharp wing
spice cedar
https://www.ign.com/articles/amd-radeon-rx-9070-benchmark imagine if this is actual max setting performance man 💀 i doubt it since some demanding game settings typically dont apply without a game restart but it would be funny if its truly this powerful cuz everyone on the radeon subreddit is buying 7000 cards
shadow heart
"I'm too lazy to read"
RX 9070. CoD. 4K. 99fps (raw performance, no upscaling or frame generation)
Less than I'd like
should've just put this here to begin with
spice cedar
should've just put this here to begin with
Got it teach
shadow heart
(I put it here before the article gets taken down [if that'll even happen])
spice cedar
But nah srsly if its actually max perf for that card i feel bad for the radeon subreddit cuz this is what was going on there up until yesterday
Imagine the reason amd didnt give deets on their gpus was cuz they made em too good
Wont happen prolly but wishful thinking yk
shadow heart
I want to assume that that's at maxed settings though. I don't think my CoD requires 11GB of VRAM for my GPU (and come to think of it, it doesn't. I'm not dumb enough to not limit it lol)
spice cedar
I want to assume that that's at maxed settings though. I don't think my CoD requ...
Ur gpu also has more bandwidth tho
shadow heart
True
spice cedar
True
I found an xtx benchmark but this is actual gameplay and it’s consuming over 20 gigs of vram at extreme 4k altho in gameplay it does prolly take up more vram to load more textures compared to an isolated environment in a benchmark test
Wait i found a post that actually uses the benchmark https://www.reddit.com/r/radeon/s/t1K7TQh42H
On an xtx
Consumes similar amts of vram
Holy crap that ign benchmark might actually be real max lvl perf
Altho cod does like amd architecture i believe
sleek phoenix
It's almost like I said this earlier
sleek phoenix
That it's slower than the xtx
spice cedar
That it's slower than the xtx
Oh this is the non xt 9070 tho
sleek phoenix
Well, good to have a good comparison anyway
sleek phoenix
Oh this is the non xt 9070 tho
It's also a 7600x3d and not a 9950X3D
spice cedar
Tru but its gonna be mostly gpu bound at 4k no?
sleek phoenix
Not necessarily
People talk smack about gpu bound scenarios these days but the performance gains from better hardware still scale
We are
Very much not in an era anymore where being specifically bound on one side or the other is completely one-sided in benefit
spice cedar
Icic
sleek phoenix
Really didn't need to search hard:
6950XT is like 66-75% of an XTX
7800X3D is like 10% less a 9800X3D less gpu bound scaling
spice cedar
Gahdamn the cpu performance might be more significant here then
spice cedar
These numbers are way too barren
Also we dont know if the ign dude who benched the 9070 changed the settings to extreme or it was alr set to extreme cuz if he was the one who changed it some settings prolly didnt apply without a game restart
sleek phoenix
People are pulling numbers from everywhere
sleek phoenix
Also we dont know if the ign dude who benched the 9070 changed the settings to e...
I trust a reviewer to know how to set everything to max lol
spice cedar
I trust a reviewer to know how to set everything to max lol
Yeah but he was tryna be slick yk
sleek phoenix
But again there's way too much discrepancy, some dude was saying his 9800X3D and XTX gets 119fps at the same settings
It's all over the place
spice cedar
But again there's way too much discrepancy, some dude was saying his 9800X3D and...
Wait a minute
Yeah nvm
I forgot the sentence i was forming in my head
sleek phoenix
You won't know until it's reviewed
sleek phoenix
I forgot the sentence i was forming in my head
Also idk if you saw this but amd seemed to have basically implied the performance in their own slide deck
There's literally zero reason for them to use a hierarchy-esque chart if not to use performance as a metric
Holy hell 4 slot
spice cedar
Also idk if you saw this but amd seemed to have basically implied the performanc...
I did and i took it as more of what class the name replaces rather than perf for example from a 3070 to a 4070
spice cedar
Holy hell 4 slot
The cooler looked pretty dang cool tho
Air would basically pass thru the entire thing
sleek phoenix
I did and i took it as more of what class the name replaces rather than perf for...
There's no reason for the relative placement of the gpu skus tho doing this
They could literally just use a table
Like everything else they showed off
The chart is there and it's amazing how very few picked up on the performance-esque layout
spice cedar
Honestly makes sense now that i think abt it
Cuz they’re not making high end flagships anymore
So it would make sense if current gen’s mid range performs similar to last gen’s high end
sleek phoenix
That's the usual premise yes
God this cooler looked amazing when I first saw it and it still looks amazing with a full teardown
shadow heart
After watching and applying settings from a CoD optimization video*
Not very apple-to-apples but I mean it's last-gen hardware (but again, with a manually optimized CoD)
sleek phoenix
Yeah we really won't know without a better source how good that card is
shadow heart
I hate that CoD doesn't come with the right optimizations already. The 9070 XT that's in that guy's article is probably much better than what's shown in CoD
I swear by this too. my gf's PC (12100F and RX 5700) can reach 180 fps in CoD after optimizing settings
cyan hamlet
That's not at 4k though (no one should play that at 4k)
sleek phoenix
shadow heart
That's not at 4k though (no one should play that at 4k)
Render resolution set to 4K(?)
sleek phoenix
I told you all
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-cites-cost-and-limited-gaming-benefits-for-skipping-dual-3d-v-cache-in-ryzen-9000x3d-series
It was so obvious why they won't do it
(Not saying this out of spite I just remember all the dual x3d comments lol)
manic horizon
wait AMD might be cooking up something?
willow copper
maybe i bought a gre too early?
unless theyre pulling a 5070 with 4090 performance
marble meteor
Article says 9070xt will be like 1/2 the 4080s price so more like 750 instead of the GRE which was 500ish
willow copper
i paid 570 because im a sucker
marble meteor
Bruh
willow copper
also gre msrp was 550
marble meteor
Fr
willow copper
lol let me be
marble meteor
Why would you buy above MSRP damn
willow copper
better part quality, full argb because im insane
marble meteor
Yeah MSRP was 550 but they went for 500 for quite a while
willow copper
it looks pretty damn nice lol
willow copper
Yeah MSRP was 550 but they went for 500 for quite a while
i bought it when lowest was like 520
but those were like
bottom barrel
sleek phoenix
The asrock challenger was often the cheapest
And the challenger is a divisive pick imo
Like the only card I often hear issues about
marble meteor
Ok yeah tbf the challenger is ugly af
sleek phoenix
Well not so much the look but the QC
marble meteor
Oh, so ugly af and bad qc
sleek phoenix
Ig lol
willow copper
i also heard a lot of issues with the powercolor fighter or whatever it was called
willow copper
hellhound was what i was gonna pick but my brain went monkey
sleek phoenix
Coil whine can often happen when you have a well built pcb
And Powercolor has very quiet rdna 3 coolers
So 2 pronged situation
sleek phoenix
They had good quiet cards so coil whine was common af
marble meteor
My brother's rx 6600 has coil whine so loud at times that I thought it was a fan failing 💀
willow copper
its only loud when i use the igpu on my cpu
which i dont anymore
so i dont even get audible whine at all anymore even listening up close
red devil is a beast of build quality, fans are incredibly silent
i dont regret buying it
sleek phoenix
And hence coil whine is a really common complaint
You don't hear the fans anymore
Lower noise floor = easier to hear quieter noises like coil
willow copper
yup
sleek phoenix
It's for this reason powercolor had lots of rmas
willow copper
the issue is whine is more annoying than fans
willow copper
lol fr
which is a bit why im glad i spent the extra money on fans as well
my build is beyond impressively silent
for how cheap thermalright fans are youd expect them to suck with sound
but they dont
sleek phoenix
It's almost like I know what I'm doing
willow copper
lmao
sleek phoenix
willow copper
yeah this server was a tremendous boon to have building, thanks to people like you, bacca etc
it feels overpowered
willow copper
might have to find a way to donate to yall somehow
because the work you do is genuinely pay worthy
sleek phoenix
spice cedar
https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2025/01/09/nvidia-rtx-5000-under-thre...
Imagine if the reason amd hasn’t even said a squeak abt their gpus was cuz they were dissapointed from what nvidia revealed
willow copper
Personally i think nvidias reveal was pretty mid
Only thing im a tad interested in is some of the new dlss 4 shenanigans and texture compression
Hopefully amd doesnt win the be more mid contest
Also i hope the b570 isnt a waste of a budget gpu
I will say im curious how the texture compression will one deal with nvidias vram problem they artificially made and two interact with game developers
spice cedar
cyan hamlet
I mean... they're not wrong
Just kinda brutal to put it like that
200 series is a non-starter for gaming, being worse than a 12400 sometimes, and the last 2 gens of i9 have a horrible rep now from the failures.
That combined with AMD actually having the uncontested best gaming CPU... it's no wonder they can't make enough of them.
sleek phoenix
sleek phoenix
@manic horizon turns out I'm likely wrong, the tensor numbers appear to be nothing extra for actual RT
Which could explain why 40 series is effectively discontinued
50 series becomes the update and everything stagnates outside of frame gen
That sounds gross af LOL
Oh yeah I forgot they all got tdp uplifts
Ah yeah so that's their angle
Oh boy this is gonna feel mid
spice cedar
So the 50 series isn’t much of an upgrade in perf?
sleek phoenix
The extrapolation is based on 2 games
So it could be somewhat representative
Could also not really be
manic horizon
So basically the meta will be relatively discounted used 40 series or a 9070 if it's actually as good as rumored?
sleek phoenix
If everyone's on the same page as derbauer, yes
jade pagoda
https://youtu.be/qwOQWcg-Z_A
this?
sleek phoenix
Ye
TL;DR the 5080 looks like a 4080 with a slight tdp and core increase
I was thinking it'd be more cos of the supposed ray tracing tflops doubled, but doesn't really seem that way
Could be wrong, it's only 2 games
jade pagoda
TL;DR the 5080 looks like a 4080 with a slight tdp and core increase
my greatest fear has come
ok
chilly moat
My brother's rx 6600 has coil whine so loud at times that I thought it was a fan...
Yeah
marble meteor
Jeez
chilly moat
That whine is only there when the encoder is being used
Besides that the only thing I hear is fans
sleek phoenix
That's what my 4090 sounds like at 700+ fps
Owned the thing for 2 years now still haven't found the damn coil
Lol
chilly moat
sleek phoenix
Welp. That's the nail in the coffin most likely
This close to release, on refresh architecture
I was absolutely right to skip
5090 is a hard pass
Remains to be said after overclocking but the speedway result was the number I was looking for, there's barely anything to see here for 50 series it seems
Which means Derbauer's review of the 50 series will be the one to watch as he likes to do power and efficiency testing in like for like tdp
Which will really show what Nvidia is doing
Ahhhhh that sucks, I didn't expect this honestly
Lol
Guess RDNA 4 is in fact the most interesting reveal yet to come
manic horizon
https://www.notebookcheck.net/RTX-5090-vs-RTX-4090-Questionable-RTX-5090-rasteri...
I guess you CAN argue if you have a tiny SFF rig cuz now you might actually fit truly top of the stack
But that is it
damn
anyway
sleek phoenix
I guess you CAN argue if you have a tiny SFF rig cuz now you might actually fit ...
Not particularly cos the FE is liquid metal
Liquid metal ALWAYS goes wrong
manic horizon
The FE 5090 is really cool, but I'd not buy it solely for it being cool
it's tiny tho
sleek phoenix
You'd never vert mount liquid metal
compact egret
I wonder if Radeon can undercut them at this point
sleek phoenix
It always leaks
compact egret
They don't have to catch up that much that much this gen
At least relatively speaking
sleek phoenix
9000 radeon looks genuinely good
compact egret
Imagine if this is their ryzen moment
sleek phoenix
I'm not just simping, amd cooked
manic horizon
I'm kind of hyped
My next GPU might unironically be a 9070 XT depending on price and perf
or a used 4080(S)
sleek phoenix
If nvidia didn't improve RT then it looks like AMD may have finally caught up
Which leaves only cuda api as the final barrier
It's really looking like this
compact egret
NgreedAI copers can talk about DLSS and FG all they want but
RTX 5000 looks dogwater
manic horizon
Honestly nGreedAI might just have had their RB 2024 season
compact egret
Maybe next gen they'll actually try to compete instead of being greedy
manic horizon
When the advantage runs out and the others catch up and you're thinking you're too big to actually be bothered to compete
sleek phoenix
This feels to me like what 13th to 14th gen did
Except they have an i11 now instead of just i9
compact egret
Or what Ryzen did to Kaby Lake
sleek phoenix
Welp, glad I didn't give in to fomo so quickly
Rip to everyone else who panic solid their cards
compact egret
That ces presentation was so sus
"4090 performance"
All that yap about AI
They had nothing
sleek phoenix
I mean dlss 4 and reflex 2, I genuinely feel those are steps in the right direction if you put them together
compact egret
That's why it was such a trash presentation
sleek phoenix
But the hardware itself isn't great at all
compact egret
Oh yeah I agree that DLSS and FG is good
sleek phoenix
If your fps is fine then extra ai frames has it's own challenges
compact egret
But they leaned way too much into it
sleek phoenix
You need to expect a game to run the MFG well
compact egret
Which kinda gave it away that it's not going to be as good as we expect
sleek phoenix
I can see how the reviews will be a mixed bag
Cos it'll be a valid increase but only when it's supported and runs well enough
compact egret
They're probably going to pull a 7900XT and lower the price to compete
sleek phoenix
They probably have to
compact egret
Radeon is creeping up
compact egret
Radeon troll?
sleek phoenix
That's 5080 raw perf (review pending ofc)*
compact egret
Imagine
compact egret
That's 5080 raw perf (review pending ofc)*
If it actually does get that number raw
That'd be extremely funny
sleek phoenix
If it actually does get that number raw
We've already seen pre-release benchmarks
Mow
Now
compact egret
👀
compact egret
Laptops might be good tbh
sleek phoenix
Big jump
sleek phoenix
New optimus tech gave them a big leap
compact egret
But extremely rare
compact egret
Really?
sleek phoenix
Market share for dgpu laptops is like 95% nvidia yeah lol
compact egret
What's that one chip they had?
sleek phoenix
Radeon can be competitive but the availability and adoption rate is really poor
Not knocking it for quality of product, just the numbers are worse than desktop afaik
compact egret
Maybe nvidia is just too entrenched
compact egret
New optimus tech gave them a big leap
How's the power efficiency looking?