dungeon

[olive ice]

I reached 14k+, but I am pretty sure he occurs more than every 5 floors 😉

On the other hand, what is the point of a titan team if not for guild wars? But it sure is pleasant to defeat an opponent, whether in GW or elsewhere

[near socket]

My main titan. What shall i do to improve dungeons reach?

[olive ice]

Either Moloch or Sigurd, depending on what makes your dungeon expedition fail. Ask yourself everyday what caused your fall

[near socket]

I think Moloch. It is level 55

[ancient owl]

Gold, less dungeon less gold duh

GW forces you to invest in main titan team, which is not what is really best for max grinding

[near socket]

yeah realised i am not moving in dungeon levels as fast as i should

[olive ice]

For me the dungeon is a matter of short versus long term. On the short term your primary team will grow slower, but on the long term you will max faster and get more choice for pvp. We are talking about a one year sacrifice though, and I may be wrong

[blazing sapphire]

Got Lucky on Raven account 🤩

meeh... But no baby light totem 😒

[frank rover]

🥳

[plain marlin]

u are stealing all my luck

[blazing sapphire]

It would be sooooooooooo nice to have a 6 spheres reward for 15.000 (or maybe 10.000) guild titanites / day 🤤 . Nexter$ upgraded the max titan level to 130, but "forgot" to upgrade the resources we get for it...

[chilly fjord]

find it interesting that players are opposed to free resources, not like more spheres would hurt anyone

[bleak rover]

Because most guilds don't get 15k or 10k daily titanite.

This would only benefit the super whaley guilds or those who have been playing for years.

[chilly fjord]

again, how is that hurting you?

[bleak rover]

#dungeon message

[chilly fjord]

please tell me how someone else getting resources is hindering your progress

[blazing sapphire]

i dont think you need to be a super whaly guild to achieve 15k. Even less to achieve 10k titanite a day... All you need is some people with full star water totem and some dedication.

[bleak rover]

Which would be much older servers.

[blazing sapphire]

well, dont expect 1-2 months old servers to be full of maxed water totems of course. But i think, "much older" is relative. What exactly do you mean by it?

[bleak rover]

My old 270 guild was pretty whaley and they didn't and still don't even get 15k titanite daily.

It would be in servers 170 and older that would get 15k daily.

[fluid elk]

All it takes is one dedicated Dungeon Diver

[blazing sapphire]

being a whale doesnt automatically mean you get 15k titanite / day. You also need to WORK for it.

[blazing sapphire]

one is maybe not enough, but with 2 crazy dungeon miners, it should be easy

[fluid elk]

If it's YOU it's enough 😛

[blazing sapphire]

Personally i do 600+ doors every single day since the lvl 130 upgrade so... mayb3 3 months or so now... And even i'm starting to get freaking tired of it sometimes. 😵‍💫 I already finished my account (needed to dig out about 3 million potions), nowi'm closed to finish for someone else (almost started from all 120), and its getting a lot. Thos extra 6 spheres / day would really help a loooooooot

[blazing sapphire]

lol, noooo... Remember? Healing debuff 😒

[fluid elk]

Oooof yer right, i forgor about that one.... 😦

[blazing sapphire]

how can you forget about it? 😅

OK, i think, today will be the first, i might not complete 600 doors... I have a cold and falling off the chair, so going to sleep now

[fluid elk]

Sleep well and feel better 🙂

[near socket]

Which titan should reach lvl130 first?

[fluid elk]

Tank or Super for your main team... two diff schools of thought

[blazing sapphire]

I'm a bit better... And still did 570 before the cut off 😛

Will do 630 after the cut off and voila 😁

[ionic kiln]

it actually would if ur not in a guild that can do it but ur rival guild can

does that make any sense to u? if ur gold third and u cant do it, but gold first and second can do it, suddenly in gw over time their titans may become better and better than urs

its only harmless if ur guild can do it

[plain marlin]

do my dungeon too 😄 see if u can get a totem

[blazing sapphire]

Can i send it to myself if i find one? 🤔 😛

[plain marlin]

🤡

[blazing sapphire]

then its no deal, sorry 😛

[regal root]

You need someone to do your dungeon?🙈

[fluid elk]

I remember when he never DID dungeon at all

[plain marlin]

😂

[blazing sapphire]

join Valhalla. Then we migth negotiate 😛

[plain marlin]

maybe once there are rewards for dungeon 😛

[olive ice]

For the record, against maxed mixed teams, a five stars water totem is what it takes to sustainably farm the dungeon. Lv129 totem in my case. Before the fifth star I had fallen at 300k a day, now I stopped at 1k on my own will

[olive ice]

I just reached the 15kth floor, here is what it took. The totem was just upgraded. Mixed rooms at 670k (max), fire rooms at 135k, earth rooms at 94k

[ionic kiln]

such weak titans but insane totem

[olive ice]

Yes. It was done over a year of active playtime and I am a modest spender. I found the totem to be paradoxically easier than raising titans, although it sucked my emeralds whenever I had some spare

[tropic sigil]

Which hero is the best in healing allies in the dungeon?

[olive ice]

They do not need healing, do they? I put Dorian and Martha as backups, but they really are not needed

[tropic sigil]

Sorry, I have asked a wrong question. Instead, which titan is the best healing allies in the dungeon?

[olive ice]

For sustainable farming (as long as you want or until you reach the 200 floors limit), you must use a water totem along with four water titans (for more frequent activations). The idea is to heal one earth/fire titan at a time. Eventually the totem will need to get five stars (floor 15k~)

[tropic sigil]

How strong is the healing effect of using Iyari or Mort?

[olive ice]

I never seriously tried it myself, but it certainly cannot replace a water totem. I once read someone depict how he used Mort, but he could not farm a lot everyday and I think it only heals well some titans. And of course you must manually drive the fight. But at least it is easy to try

[olive prairie]

Mort can be OP with Angus

[tropic sigil]

As a free player, I can't evolve a water totem to 5 star. With a three star water totem, I obtain 75 titanites a day sometimes.

[olive ice]

You need to delay Angus' ult, though, don't you?

[olive ice]

Do you use four water titans?

[olive prairie]

Never tried it

[tropic sigil]

Yes.

[olive ice]

I reached floor 14k without much problem with a four stars totem, but I had spent most of my emeralds on it. I am a modest spender though, and I can end up #1 in the arena half of the days, so I certainly get more emeralds than you. Yet, I think the water totem is your best bet. I once tried Iyari and she clearly was not worth it

Can you tell us your floor and show us your titans?

[olive ice]

So Mort mostly acts on Angus' basic attacks? How much health can you regen like that? 30%?

[tropic sigil]

Floor 18300.

[olive ice]

Well done. Sigurd seems to be your weak point here. Everything else is better than my own team (Moloch on par)

[tropic sigil]

Recently, Water and Earth teams cannot survive at the third round.

[olive ice]

I never use earth unless forced to, as Angus is bothersome to heal, and therefore underlevelled. Mixed > water > fire > earth

I think improving Sigurd would do a lot for you, although only a stronger totem would give you enough leeway to farm a few floors a day (level+star)

[tropic sigil]

For Sigurd, in what order should its 3 artifacts be levelled up?

[olive ice]

Armor, armor, armor. The third artifact is good but can be detrimental against some opponents, as you will lose more hp before ulting, which later needs to be healed. I do not know the right middle point yet. The first artifact is at best a cherry on the cake. Levels are the most important thing: at level 123 you will divide by four the incoming fire elemental dmg, while your own elemental armor requires Sigurd to have a level 120 to reach its full effect

[tropic sigil]

If I gather a fire team for a mixed room, which titan do you suggest to be the fifth, Hyperion, Iyari or Mort, assuming they are the same level? Or 3 fire + any two?

[olive ice]

Probably Mort

[slate sandal]

please star: #📝game-discussion message

[spiral pewter]

Hi guys. Probably I know the answer already, but still. If I have all totems maxed, can I still get a totem fragment from Turtles?

[blazing sapphire]

yes, you can

[spiral pewter]

Ok, thanks

[abstract turtle]

Turtles don't give a fragment as far as I know: They give you an orb. If I recall, you cannot get a fragment when you already have enough of them, but you can still get orbs just fine.

[dapper snow]

I have got a totem fragment from dungeons (turtle special). You do not get any totem fragments from blue spheres once you have all 30 but can still get them from dungeons, events like we had for folio and from season pass

[abstract turtle]

But your fragment was in an orb, wasn't it? 😉

[near socket]

this dungeon will just go on and on. will it reach bottom?

[sleek crest]

nobody found it yet...

though depest level achieved is way higher than 1 million

[blazing sapphire]

There is no bottom 😉

[near socket]

so what is the objectives? just to grind?

[sleek crest]

whole game objective is just to grind... and drop tons of money additionally

[abstract turtle]

I like it how Dungeon gives a decent amount of gold, and how that little increment just keeps snowballing.

[lofty wing]

so this is ur better source of gold

[abstract turtle]

Yeah. Given some time digging ... anyway, I've seen guys well over 100k, that must be a pretty good gold mine.

[blazing sapphire]

At lvl 100.000 you get a bit more than one million gold for every checkpoint 😉 .

[chilly fjord]

the gold we get every 10th floor cleared is calculated as:
(floor cleared + 1480) x 10

[halcyon creek]

turtles all the way down ...

[olive ice]

What?

[lofty wing]

my dungeon lineup

[sleek crest]

total overkill...
this is mine:

[verbal yacht]

hardworking to dig

[lofty wing]

the game really likes nova for some reason (gave me 129 soul stones)

[light cobalt]

I need the chat channels in the dungeon. There is a lot of empty space on the left side of the screen, and you can spend hours hunting titanite. Why not placing the chat icon down there so that you can follow the chats?

[olive ice]

How many fire rooms can a maxed fire team survive without losing a single titan (and still be healable without putting Brustar in front in mixed rooms)?

[chilly fjord]

2-3 rooms, then you can bench moloch and do another 1-2 rooms before vulcan dies, this assumes max AND great manual play

[olive ice]

Thank you, this is what I was afraid of: my fire team seems less and less able to survive as the dungeon strengthens, and developing a robust earth team seems to be inevitable in the future.

As for manual playing the fire rooms, the only thing that matters is to finish the fight with full ults bar, isn't it? Because, asides of that, a 100% totem seems enough to conclude the fight anyway, so there seems to be nothing to hold on. However at my level, controlling the rng by doing them on auto (opening/closing the room window until I get the desired result) seems more effective than manually playing the first rng seed provided to me.

[sinful geode]

@sly badger @somber nest 2 more stars por favor

[gritty junco]

All the resources invested into the Turtles finally payed off 😁

What's more, it's even my prime element!

[slender tendon]

Hello guys. I'm sorry, but is this server for mobile HW? Thank you.

[gritty junco]

This is for Web/FB. Mobile has a separate Discord

[gritty junco]

Most people here don't speak Chineese, so we won't get what you're asking with all of these. React with the appropriate flag here to access the language chats #✍get-roles message

[waxen falcon]

It's not Chinese, it's Korean. And if you don't know what's wrong with the picture, don't tell me!!

[gritty junco]

well either way, it's not a language spoken by the majority of people of this Discord. We don't even know if your asking a question, or just showing that you made almost 2k titanite, nothing ....

[waxen falcon]

The game operator can tell at a glance what is wrong with the picture.

[gritty junco]

Then tell us what you can 'tell at a glance'. I (and most people here) can't even read it if you don't provide a transalation

[waxen falcon]

As you can see from the last picture, my production can never be less than the entire guild's production. It has to be equal to or greater than it.

[gritty junco]

Try refreshing the game, sometimes it doesn't sync the guild titanite score correctly in real time. If that doesn't help, write a bug ticket to the in-game Support Team

[gritty junco]

And for next time, you could have said this earlier. Not everyone remembers the all the text written in every place of the game

[blazing sapphire]

If you were running the Dungeon when the new guild day started, it still counted in your contribution from the previous day. This is when / why your production can be more than the guild's total for that day.

if you refresh the page, it should change

Here for example

[magic flame]

This was suggested a few years ago. Sadly nothing has been done. I am glad you mention it again.

[chilly fjord]

do not forget the dungeon rework that was promised in 2022...
nexters is never going to fix this game

[blazing sapphire]

Soon... You remember... We only had wo wait about 3,5 years for a new Asgard boss. That is what SOON means here 😛

[valid quest]

new titan spotted: Tenigel
😁

[frank rover]

he is just piggybacking her

[blazing sapphire]

dont even joke about new titans 🤫 😱

[light cobalt]

Is there still a limit in the amount of gold you can have or did they fix the bug that crashed the game once you exceeded a certain amount? Years ago you could have transformed it into golden charms, and I don't know if you still have to keep an eye on it.

[slate sandal]

what do you think?

[blazing sapphire]

I think 🤑

[sour grotto]

They now apply greater and greater negative buffs to healing. So it's effectively capped now. I'm getting around 4k titanite, but much above that there's like a negative 50% to healing.

[light cobalt]

I wonder if you mind clicking the green cross to get even more 😜 .

[olive ice]

I bet it still crash past 1e306 ! Any whale willing to guineapig himself?

[slate sandal]

dunegon is all what i need 😉

[blazing sapphire]

What floor are you on now?

[slate sandal]

307.737

[blazing sapphire]

👏 🙂 🍻

[nocturne bane]

does anyone know if dungeon titan teams scale with the level of your titans or with your titans power?

[mossy brook]

Dungeon titans power increases each time you fight that element. If you had a choice and only fought one element that one would increase faster

[nocturne bane]

it caps at a certain point tho right?

[mossy brook]

No idea, at 13,800 and dungeon titans still have levels and star evolutions left to go.

[blazing sapphire]

Yes, it does cap at one point

[olive ice]

Yes, 790k for mixed teams, and 370k for others - or something like that

[light cobalt]

670.735 for mixed titan teams, 396.132 for single elemental fights, and 243.498 for hero fights.

From lvl 32.488 upwards all my opponents were maxed out in the dungeon, means all reached their cap.

[olive prairie]

I have a question: I played Dungeon with a max account and all the mixed teams had at least two water titans, Sylva and maybe some fire titans. But I never saw Angus, Hyperion and Ignis. Is that normal and if yes, when does it change?

[chilly fjord]

yes, once you reach the maxed mixed teams then they never have angus, hyperion or ignis
those mixed maxed teams always have: Moloch, Nova and Sylwa + 2 of Sigurd, Araji, Eden, Mairi, Vulcan or Avalon

[olive prairie]

That's really good

[blazing sapphire]

Yes, it is normal, you wont see them

[brisk panther]

What is highest level right now?

[ionic kiln]

is that bc theyre too difficult of opponents or...?

[olive prairie]

I personally have issues with them (nature team). But I would also ban Araji. The others are okay

[ionic kiln]

interesting

[olive ice]

I think it is just a bias of the algorithm they use. But fine for me: those three-tanks teams around power 500k-600k were a plague, especially with Eden! Sometimes I was spending fifteen minutes on a single mixed room, this used to drive me crazy

[light cobalt]

Eden still can be pain if he pulls Hyperion or someone at the backend, so that his Nova stuns mine that is too late stunning their backend then. I need a button that fatally strikes their Eden with lightning..... 🤔

[olive ice]

Eden can stil be a pain, but such a little pain in comparison to what he made me suffer when I was progressing!

[ionic kiln]

against triple tank just pull out dark/light and then put them back in storage until later 😂

pu w 4f tenebris and let them just kill, then heal the fire titans in mixed

[olive ice]

You lose the opportunity to heal your titans in mixed rooms then, and you need to have a strong d/l team besides others despite being low in the dungeon

[ionic kiln]

oh i mean i only use my main team in mixed battles or 4w + one other

if my supertitans cant kill the enemies then ig im just cooked

but my titans r pretty dungeon coded

[olive ice]

At first I also focused exclusively on supertitans, but eventually I found it more efficient to level up the tanks in parallel. My fire team can survive two fights against 340k rooms, my earth titans can survive six fights or so against 130k earth rooms. I have a five-stars water totem (130) and a one-star fire totem (112)

[ionic kiln]

i dont lvl up the tanks

my fire room is araji ignis and then i heal araji in mixed

my earth room is all four earth titans but its just eden one shotting enemy so it might as well be one titan

[olive ice]

What is the power of your enemies in earth and fire rooms? How many battles can you survive in each?

[ionic kiln]

power of enemies is like 150k fire and 90k earth. basically nothing

could survive indefinitely if i have mixed rooms to heal fire

earth so far eden can one shot so theres no fear of earth

dont even need to heal eden

[olive ice]

Ok, so your strategy is viable because you have progressed slowly through the dungeon. Long-term you will need Moloch and Angus. Especially because of stuns

[ionic kiln]

im only at like 13k yeah

but u dont need moloch and angus, i heard maxed ppl say they dont use them

just vulcan ignis or avalon sylva

[olive ice]

I heard that too, but I think you need maxed teams and/or a very strong totem. Without totem Avalon only holds one or two fights

Plus there is really no point in choosing to raise Vulcan over Moloch, is it?

[chilly fjord]

no there is not
the only reason some maxed players do not use angus/moloch in dungeon is because they find it easier to heal avalon/vulcan in mixed rooms
personally i do not see any problem healing any titan in dungeon so pretty pointless to avoid moloch/angus

[olive ice]

ONce again it is because you are currently overlevelled in the dungeon. At some point it was indeed hard for me to heal Moloch or Angus. But with a five stars 130 water totem, and strong enough Angus and Moloch, this is no longer the case.

[chilly fjord]

well my understanding was how to play once you were strong enough (long term planning)
if the question is "how do you do get 1-4k titanite/day from dungeon with a 5star water totem?"
then the simple answer is: you cannot, you need an abs star water totem
same goes for any discussion around using avalon vs angus etc, you need an abs star water totem otherwise your dungeon progress will be limited once you get deep enough

[olive ice]

This is not true: I can fully heal titans with my five-stars totem. This was probably true when totems were capped at 120 though. My only limitation is that I have small security margins on earth and fire rooms. Yet, I typically go over 1k titanites a few times a week, and stop out of boredom

I am at floor 22k

[chilly fjord]

have you reached the maxed opponents?
dungeon level is irrelevant

[olive ice]

Water and mixed rooms are maxed. Fire rooms are 350k, earth rooms 130k

[chilly fjord]

well then you should have trouble healing earth/fire titans in mixed rooms

[olive ice]

Not at all. I sometimes have to restart a mixed room, especially with Eden, but Moloch and Angus typically end up at 100% without any hurdle

Once again things were probably different when totems were capped at 120. And they definitely were when my totem was IV-130

Well, my Angus is only 109, so I cannot heal him when the enemy Moloch is in second position. Also my Moloch needs to have at least 15% hp or so before entering

[worthy saddle]

wow, so the titan rooms don't keep levelling indefinitely? What is the max for water, earth and fire teams in dungeons? Also at what room level does this happen?

[fading plover]

I'm facing 396k power W & F titans & only recently passed level 22 000.

[chilly fjord]

the power increase each time you beat that specific room, so it does not correlate with dungeon levels, although most hit their first maxed type around level 10-15k and then most have all rooms maxed around level 25-30k
here are all maxed powers

[worthy saddle]

wow 3 years playing didn't know this. Never bothered with titans that much. Thanks for this.

[opal oak]

Is it mandatory to have a water totem to get that deep in the dungeon? Iiyari and solaris dont seem to do much

[olive ice]

A five-stars water totem is required to make your team sustains the deepest floors indefinitely (until the healing debuff past 200 rooms a day). But you can still progress a few floors a day with many strong titans you sacrifice one after the other. And you can add Mort to your healing arsenal

[opal oak]

oh okay, thanks

[blazing sapphire]

yes, water totem is a must if you want to do Dungeon seriously

strong water totem... For me it was difficult even with 5 stars, 6th star made it easy

[olive ice]

But max level was 120 then. Now five stars is easy enough

[blazing sapphire]

true... Mine was lvl 114 or so, i think at that time

[opal oak]

oh well, guess i'll never do dungeon lol

[ancient owl]

I run water on both, just skip everything grinding dungeon pointless unless 5-6 water

[worthy saddle]

dude dungeons give srs resource on daily basis. I got 2480 soul stones today because of my 5 star water totem. Imagine getting 50K soul stones every month through dungeons alone. That helps a lot.

[olive ice]

The dungeon's resources are appreciable, but not worth the time it takes alas

[worthy saddle]

why do you say that? Over a month you can collect some serious stuff. I know manual play takes it's toll but still.

[olive ice]

Every month we get about 300k-400k potions thanks to the summoning spheres. If you are serious about the dungeon, you will get 100k more, for a lot of playtime, and you will have to update three teams simultaneously. Only gold makes it arguably worth it

[worthy saddle]

yeah actually gold goes into seals of angus and moloch. Both tanks are important for dungeons. Potion wise it is less. It helps level up other titans for going deeper into the dungeons.

[chilly fjord]

the main reason to dungeon is getting gold, once you are deep enough then gold can be treated as star mana, you have way more than you need

[worthy saddle]

how much gold do you get from 10,000+ or 20,000 level per level?

[olive ice]

130k at lv10k, 230k at lv20k

[worthy saddle]

damn so almost 2-3 million every day with good teams. Alongwith tower it's almost 4-5 mil daily.

[chilly fjord]

the amount of gold you get from clearing 10 levels is calculated as follows:
(level cleared + 1480) times 10

i get about 1.2M gold per 10 level for example

[olive ice]

Yes. I typically spend 4M a day, and it still increases so that I have 70M to spend on Ascension to Asgard

[worthy saddle]

yeah those 5th level ascension are insane man. I have done Orion and dante and spent, I think, 40 mil on each.

[olive ice]

Yes, a good vacuum cleaner right in your wallet!

[ionic kiln]

more difficult to heal moloch than vulcan

since moloch gets hit by enemy tanks

[olive ice]

Indeed, but in practice Moloch is easy enough to heal given a good enough totem. You still need to have 10% - 15% left hp before the fight, but since he is overall better than Vulcan and has more health...

[ionic kiln]

my totem sucks

[normal granite]

I play the dungeon without Angus and without Moloch, because it just suits me. Likewise, I don't use D/L titans in Dungeon. 4W, 3E and 3F are perfectly enough.

[olive ice]

Because your titans are overleveled compared to your current floor

[worthy saddle]

without angus and moloch everyone will mostly die. We have to build tanks otherwise everyone else is exposed to the frontline.

[normal granite]

Really?

[normal granite]

I'm just saying how I play it, not how others should play it.

[olive ice]

I do assume you have strong totems, don't you? Otherwise Vulcan and Avalon would not last long

[normal granite]

Yes I have 🙂

[olive ice]

Out of curiosity, how many rooms can your fire/earth teams survive without healing?

[normal granite]

Fire 1-2, earth 4-5. It depends on the opponent and the energy charge state.

[olive ice]

Thank you, seems like I really chose the wrong horse by betting on fire as my second element 😛

[normal granite]

Purely from a dungeon perspective, I think it's most advantageous to have a earth team as the strongest. Most of the optional rooms then contain water, and there are very few purely fire rooms.

[olive ice]

Actually the ratios of water/fire/earth rooms depend on what your strongest element is, as it will be the most frequent. The next two are equiprobable. Therefore water is the best primary element, and earth should be the second - from a dungeon perspective.

[worthy saddle]

yup dungeon requires strong water and then strong earth. Weak fire can be ok. Besides fire clears earth teams fast because of araji. But earth takes time.

[solar lantern]

How many titanite should I go for per day? Currently I'm trying to do 200 + the 75 I get from guild quests

[timber jolt]

300

nice round number

[olive ice]

Max guild rewards require 7500 titanite, so 250 per player, and it is very important. Going beyond that is a personal choice based on your desire to progress without paying, and how much time you can invest

[harsh cradle]

mine some people do enough for you to only do 75 daily by quest

[quick nacelle]

need totems

[gritty junco]

Lets see, how many more channels do you plan to spam this in?

[olive ice]

Quousque tandem abutere, Catilina, patientia nostra?
How long, Catilina, will you keep exhausting our patience?

[lone sandal]

with perfect grooming of relatively low power water titans, I was doing it with 4 star water totem for a very long time. It barely keeps up with little room for error, though, and my other teams were 5 or 6 star totem. also, Earth crew being strongest and therefore most likely to be used was helpful. I had earth rotation where I use first battle to charge energy with no ults, totem at 142ish, then when full, ult Sylva and Avalon ASAP,, Eden after 1 autoattack, never use Angus Ult. totem ASAP. speed up fight, repeat. Ult Angus ASAP with waters for multi fights. served me very well for 36k fights so far.

[ionic kiln]

perfect grooming 😰

[frank cosmos]

how many titanie can the player get from those 200 rooms?

[olive ice]

1200 I think. Add 225 titanites more with Valkyria and prestige

[blazing sapphire]

Correct 🙂 . So 1.455 in total assuming you have Valkyre

[dapper snow]

have to reduce 30 as the first floor gives 30 titanite and then onwards its 60 titanite per floor

[slate sandal]

please star #📝game-discussion message

[blazing sapphire]

1200 for 200 doors + 150 from Valkyre + 75 from prestige and 30 for the first 10 doors. So 1.455 in total 🙂

[frank cosmos]

yes, i have tested today. its 1455

anthoer question: what is healing debuff after 200 rooms?

in this link: https://h-w.fun/en/dungeons-damnation/

Healing debuff activates after 400 rooms

[olive ice]

The site is probably right

[dense wedge]

finally 3k clears, only took 1.5yrs

takes to long

[sinful geode]

@jolly jewel

[jolly jewel]

Hello?

[ancient owl]

Helper app screams 3rd party software🤣🤣🤣

[chilly fjord]

it is, the popular way players cheat in dungeon, nexters do not care about players using it though

[sinful geode]

they did care, they just couldn't be bothered to come up with a real solution for that so they introduced the healing reduction to also torpedo honest players' efforts as well

[olive ice]

Last time I checked the algorithm was pretty crude and required very strong teams of all elements

[blazing sapphire]

I dont use sh!t like that 🤢 . It makes me sick to the stomach.

btw, its not allowed to talk about here...

[gritty junco]

<@&729965095974731787> 3rd party script user. Also if you check his other messages on this Discord, you can find his guild for Nexters to investigate

[unborn blade]

In case he deletes it ^^

[blazing sapphire]

well.. In fact i do use some helpers apps.... My hands and my experience 😛

[unborn blade]

And ofc memory ^^

[blazing sapphire]

yeah. After about 250k doors, its all muscle memory now 😄

[valid quest]

for measures against in-game violations of terms please report to in-game support.
i cant do all for all of you.

[gritty junco]

Sure, but he should also be banned from this Discord, not just the game

[valid quest]

he is quite new on this discord server so i decided to send a DM, warn and tempmute them for 1 week.

[worthy saddle]

Isn't manual supposed to generate more titanite than script? I heard it auto uses teams. Why would you do that? Imagine not healing tanks . The entire team would crumble.

[chilly fjord]

the cheating scripts perform the fights with manual play, it just takes minutes instead of hours

[frank cosmos]

i dont think so. manual fighting is the king. at least for me is so. of couse, really need to spend much more time

[gritty junco]

From what I know, they can fake Valkyrie's Favor (and get the 5x speedup for free)

[frank cosmos]

No idea. But seriously, how is this game even fun if people are running it with scripts? You can’t even sell the resources or equipments for real money — so what’s the point? If anyone is using scripts, it might be time to just quit the game. that is a complete waste of time and money.

[worthy saddle]

I agree. It's a game not real money. Why invest tech in this game.

[ancient owl]

It the modern era of games there are ALWAYS cheats/scripts etc if you don't want to suffer this play an offline game...

[frank cosmos]

That’s not my point. I don’t feel upset just because others use scripts. What I’m questioning is: where’s the fun for those who use them? As ordinary players, we’re putting in time and money — are we here to enjoy finding the right team combos to win battles, to play a money game, or is it all just about climbing the ranks with scripts? Everyone has their own choice — I just want to say that playing without scripts makes the game a lot more fun for me. Like in the dungeon — practicing manual mode and pushing a little deeper each day makes it more fun for me. It keeps things interesting instead of feeling like a boring grind.

[olive ice]

In order to find the right titan team combos, you need teams in the first place, and for that you need to grind the dungeon. People find this latter part boring, so they pay to skip to what they consider the fun part

[chilly fjord]

they do not care about the resources, but there is always dungeon rankings on each server
never underestimate the importance of those 2 extra inches this adds to a cheater's ego

[harsh cradle]

lol

[dense wedge]

dungeon is so boring

[valid quest]

i use the dungeon to get sleepy at night. sometimes i fall asleep sitting at my pc though ^^

[dense wedge]

meh, i dont wanna spend my time doing it

[olive ice]

You need something to listen to or watch
Also it is interesting while titans are underlevelled for the dungeon

[blazing sapphire]

today i started Dungeon with Angus already dead. Now THAT was a bit challangeing 😄 .

yes, i know some people doesnt use Angus at all, but i do, so for me it was completely new..

[dense wedge]

thats what i do, on main i can clear like 40 new ones a day so not so bad. But on secondary i havent done it in ages, so i can get over 1k a day if i wanted for a while, just takes to long. Top 50 in server for titan power and like 150 for dungeon

[blazing sapphire]

Indo's Gold dropped below 800 million, so i decided to do some Dungeon to recover. I was thinking of buying Valkyre, but ended up saying f*** Nexter$, and started to mine without Valkyre 😛 .

[ionic kiln]

below 800m 😱 how did u manage to survive

[blazing sapphire]

barely 😱 . It was horrible 😛

[ionic kiln]

thats so scary ur so brave im sorry u had to go thru that

[blazing sapphire]

Thank you 😅 🍻

[proven night]

what do you think about a DUNGEON RAID ? like TOWER RAID , if you do the dungeon, you could RAID half of your levels on the next days and start with full energy.

⭐ if you like

[blazing sapphire]

so if i do 400 doors, i can raid 200 doors next day? 🤔 . I like it 😁

[wraith void]

i Prefer no DUNGEON they need to add that reward Sphere also on Tournament of the elements.

[proven night]

I think it's fine. MAny players play the dungeon just for rewards and there could be things that enjoy more the game

[wraith void]

does that raid one count on next day or not. if they count then next day only need to do 200 raid plus 200 new gets 400 rewards 🙂

[proven night]

yes. if you play all the days, overall, half dungeons are needed

[olive prairie]

I like the full energy more

[dense wedge]

10 stars now

[paper lynx]

+1 The Dungeon costs an absurd amout of time

[timber jolt]

only if you keep digging ...

[olive ice]

diggy diggy hole, diggy diggy hole 🎵 🎶

[severe mural]

Finally a totem fragment from dungeon. But I need to wait to open till next ToTP.

[gritty junco]

Congrats!

But I mean, the totem evolution itself isn't gonna give you that much power

Might as well open it straight away (or on a day when you struggle to get the daily 450 sparks quest)

[severe mural]

I opened 2 of them in last ToTP and they gave me around 10k points (2->3->4).

[gritty junco]

So roughly 5k per fragment

That's a drop in the sea for ToP

[worthy saddle]

yup. I think 1 star earth from level 1 to 53 gives around 15K in power.

[subtle siren]

Like...... Perfekt😘😍

[worthy saddle]

first major milestone

[slate sandal]

Congratulation!
ToP sucks, i stop to push my heros as i like since this new mode start ... the game was better befor ToP

[blazing sapphire]

The game was better before 🐮 ....

[gritty junco]

The ToP timing is not great for people in European timezones. But for the pushing of Heroes as you like, many modes/events require hoarding of artifact resources, energy, emeralds, etc.

ToP didn’t change that

And up to 100k free emeralds every month is something unheard of until ToP started

[olive ice]

It earned my great rewards, but updating a titan every one or two days was indeed funnier

[ionic kiln]

u dont need to wait to open it

unless its for resetting blp

i think if u get a frag u can just wait to evolve it tho

[kindred cape]

You can get totems from the dungeon???

[worthy saddle]

only if you have a red ninja turtle hero.

[kindred cape]

what.... Ninja turtles are so op then..

[olive ice]

It is a very small chance though: basically one every two years

[kindred cape]

still a chance tho, and you do the dungeon every day anyway, a nice. thing to have for f2p players

[harsh cradle]

yeah i forgot to buy their equipment and now it's orange+4

[worthy saddle]

me too. Stuck on orange 4 since launch. Waiting for a comeback if any. They said later this year he could comeback but until then we can only wait.

Also his team does max damage to Maestro I think.

So he would be worth it.

[harsh cradle]

yeah

[gritty junco]

x

[olive ice]

Not really, he is however part of the meta but only because of his penetration artifact and the fact he will trigger it quickly since there are two turtles on the battlefield. I am not sure he is indispensable for that though

[worthy saddle]

oh so the mushy team or lara croft team is the max damage dealer?

[olive ice]

Cornelius-seb-arpen-arpen-arpen (isaac/tristan/lyria/turtles) can provide the best results but you need luck. After that maybe the corvus-aidan-morrigan-mushy-(rufus) one. Or an orion team

[hollow edge]

Ran across a problem in the Dungeon. I keep getting a Battle Processing Error. I've reloaded the game and reloaded my browser numerous times. I still get this error on this battle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJF6vUXg9V0

[forest schooner]

normal with totem fusion, nothing to see here

[blazing sapphire]

i ran my Dungeon yesterday without any problems.... Maybe becuase i havent done anything with fusion 😛

[cold dragon]

When is the next "Power of the Titans" event?

[olive ice]

Sunday: https://hwdaily.win

[alpine eagle]

wow a dungeon enemy with not the worst possible team ever!

[tropic bronze]

wow

[blazing sapphire]

No worries, I'm back on track 😉 🍻 . 4-5 more days and will be over a billion again 😁

Still going without Valkyre. And now going to sleep....

[ionic kiln]

f2p 💀

[gritty junco]

Since I maxed my titan 3rd artifacts I actually have a hard time finding reasonable ways to complete the 'Spend 3 500 000 Gold' prestige quest 😂

Tonnes of Gold, but nowhere to use it, lol

[alpine eagle]

buy buffs for asgard

[gritty junco]

Yes this I do. Although not all the Gold buffs are actually useful

[alpine eagle]

then just do GoE and reset

[fossil prairie]

reset gote, it's the best option since you don't gain power to save that for top

[ionic kiln]

upg skills? craft items?

[deep vector]

hi what are your favorite titans mine is Eden and Mairi

[blazing sapphire]

lol... I hate Eden the most and find Mairi relavitively useless compared to others. 😅 . Araji, Hyperion, Nova, other super titans

[olive prairie]

Well Eden is nice if he does the things you want him to do

[blazing sapphire]

and a stupid pony if he doesnt 😉

he is good in defence but i NEVER use him for attacking

[olive prairie]

I would be a stupid player if I don't use him on attack

[blazing sapphire]

Ok, then i'm stupid 😄

[olive prairie]

I just have a good nature totem

[blazing sapphire]

why should i involve RNG in sth that works fine without it? 🤔

Ah, i see.... I have Fire and Water, so i dont need to use Earth 🙂

[olive prairie]

By the way do you think I could ever beat a water lord with this team power and totem?

I was kind of surprised when I scored 150 points already with the raid attack a few days ago

[blazing sapphire]

hmmm.. dont know.... Maybe if you get a good fusion on it...

[olive prairie]

I did 150 again, but I have to rework my entire strategy. The timing is really different to normal player teams

[wintry lintel]

eden and solaris

[muted drum]

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[gritty junco]

This belongs to https://discord.com/channels/499876409125371907/1011264760098062396

[tropic bronze]

what teams did you guys use for early dungeon stages (1-1000)

[light cobalt]

In the early stages Hyperion plays a big role because of his healing abilities, in mixed fights you can boost it with Ignis. Apart from that I tried to use water teams wherever possible and mixed teams with 4 water (if already available) plus another tank to heal them.

Keep in mind that the opponents will become stronger dependent on how often you use certain elemental teams. So if you use your preferred team more often, the difficulty for them goes up faster.

[tropic bronze]

feuer

[olive ice]

Initially I used Hyperion and Iyari, but now I would rather try Hyperion-Mort because the latter needs little investment and it quickly became impossible to level up Iyari. Also, supers, supers, supers: for a long time my earth team consisted only of Eden, and my fire team only of Araji. Albeit it may be better for earth to use Angus, since his ult saves him from contact for the first few seconds of the fight

[tropic bronze]

dude im so close 😭

[flint girder]

🆗

[blazing sapphire]

an other mile stone achieved finally 😤 😁

[young pier]

😢

Close to 10k

[spiral dew]

just 13kth floor, Work hard for 2 months

Really tired

[blazing sapphire]

lol.... I'm doing it for more than 5 years 😄 . Be patient, young padawan 😉

[dense wedge]

2 months!? Thats good then

im about to hit 10k, really cant be bothered lol

[spiral dew]

Looks like a new account...

[fervent mural]

Is there a level limit ?

[gritty junco]

Nope, Dungeon is infinite

[blazing sapphire]

nope.

only a daily limit because of the healing debuff.

[fervent mural]

but does it get more complicated ?

[blazing sapphire]

not more complicated, but enemies get stronger. But after a certain point, its capped and changes no further.

[fervent mural]

thjx

[cedar agate]

finally hit infinite dungeon level

[blazing sapphire]

Just like when Chuck Norris counted to infinity? TWICE? 😛

[wild dust]

Bro is very patient when it comes to dungeon(He told me that he doesn't use scripts, he's just an old player)💀

[blazing sapphire]

still Ender is the best 🙂

[dense wedge]

wow, nice job then

[clear geyser]

<@&729965095974731787>

[wild dust]

Imagine.....how many gold coins do they get in every 10 levels 💀 They must be trillionaires ☠

[blazing sapphire]

almost 9 million 😉

you dont need to imagine, there is a formula to calculate it

[wild dust]

what formula?

he must have trillions of coins

[blazing sapphire]

i dont remember exactly, but will search later 🙂

now must feed my little one

[blazing sapphire]

this 🙂

[wild dust]

oh ok

[cedar agate]

ugh i cant go further today.... almost grabbed top3 in guild

[dense wedge]

12.1k now. Less than a month and 15k i reckon. Was at 4k clears bit over a month ago lol

[spiral dew]

Congratulations, keep going!

[olive ice]

You are entering the hardest part of the dungeon though. If your water totem is not maxed, you will suffer. Good luck!

[dense wedge]

no water totem lmao, but over 2.5m total power

[olive ice]

Oh! Must be interesting to play the dungeon like that

[dense wedge]

well id rather have the totem… only 4 fragments total. 2 earth, 1 fire, 1 light

[olive ice]

You are trudging an arduous path 🙂

[cunning rock]

This is getting too ridiculous for words! OMG!
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1343613547820613687/1431739917351911535/image.png?ex=68fe8334&is=68fd31b4&hm=46d8d13d0d614ed441dce8dc683cd6e8754af4fafa579528fe11b9171ecf6892&

Insanometer going through da roof!

[dense wedge]

yeah to many scams here not touching that

[dense wedge]

hopefully get a third earth soon

[blazing sapphire]

go some more and you will face 50% debuff. Then do 100 more doors and it increases to 75% and soon after you will bleed out 🙄

[cunning rock]

I was already saying to my guildmates: the game wants me to die or to cut it out already! 🙂

[cunning rock]

You sure? feels like I had over 600 rooms already, but still 25%, I didn't keep track though...

[blazing sapphire]

do one more checkpoint and lets see 🙂

[cunning rock]

Well, I am dead, haha!

[blazing sapphire]

600 doors is 6*600 + 150 + 30 + 75 = 3,855 titanite, assuming, you have Valkyre and grab the 75 titanite from prestige

so as i see, you are just a little bit short of that 🙂

[cunning rock]

If you say so, but this was already 500 more titanite than yesterday...

Well, almost.

[dense wedge]

12.7k - 12.9k today 🙂 soon 15k

[cunning rock]

And there it is, the 50% healing debuff, and a new PR of over 4k!

[blazing sapphire]

your cut-off time probably doesnt match the guild day's cut-off 🤔

[cunning rock]

Also, I noticed that it wasn't the exact 600th room for the debuff to go up to 50%, but it depends on the waypoint activated, so it was a little before 600, also, I did 650 rooms in total today! SICK!

That's probably my best for a while, I am gonna need Hyperion's attack up in next titan event, so he heals more.

[cedar agate]

even with a double dip thats still quite good

[cedar agate]

9500 level only? is this an alt of yours?

[cunning rock]

This used to be my alt, this is my main account now, playing since February.

[cedar agate]

ahhh are you in s400's? then

[cunning rock]

I would have to check, second.

430, yeah.

[cedar agate]

nice! i remember you from my first account last year.... you helped me out alot in the dungeon:)

[cunning rock]

Did I, were you in my guild, or I helped you here on Discord?

I've been playing this game for over 2 years now, btw.

[cunning rock]

well, i climbed 650 today, so it will go fast 😎

[cedar agate]

it was discord but perhaps i had a different handle

back then

[cunning rock]

@cedar agate I wrote a titan guide a couple of days ago, here it is, if interested:

Sorry for the bad format, but I am not gonna pay a monthly fee for Word, lol

It contains much more information, than I probably gave you one year ago, so.

[cedar agate]

oh this is great! thanks for sharing

[cunning rock]

You're welcome, it could maybe be fine-tuned, like for instance also 3W, Verdoc and Eden team, but... all good.

I think it's a good guide though, covering most important things one wants to know about titans.

@cedar agate What room is your account on now? I am coming! 🙂

[cunning rock]

Still doing the titan help! 😎

Glad to hear you remember me, and that I helped you a lot back in the days!

[cunning rock]

I broke the system, I will get 1000+ every 2 days now, catching up fast! 😂

[cunning rock]

Whoops, the discord messed up, but here the version with the latest changes!

[unborn blade]

Spam at this point

[cunning rock]

I was adding some stuff to the guide.

I did not @ anyone, you do not have to read this, if you don't want to....

[valid moss]

Thx

[cunning rock]

You're welcome!

Hope it will do you some good, pretty sure it will!

GG, I will be there in a month minus a few days, according to my estimates! 🥳

[cunning rock]

I am going for my Earth totem first for PVE/ PVP, but this is my collection of totems (I promoted the Earth one with the reward from the Cycle of Awakening event).

My main team being Moloch, Ignis, Araji, Tenebris, Solaris, hence that the fire totem is maxed...

I have seen it do over 43 million btw....

I probably will, keep the enemy low...

The level of your enemy depends more on your own levels than the floors, I will manipulate them to be lower...

See? No one says I have to get Mairi up, see my point? lol!

Pretty sure water will not be an issue when I get to floor 13k.

I may have to up the water totem a bit, we'll see that in less than a week! 🙂

It's a shame that the power of the titans event is far away still (19th of November), I will gain more attack on Hyperion then.

Iow: more heals

[unborn blade]

Water won't be the issue. But healing your moloch and angus will be the issue.

[cunning rock]

You don't need a Moloch, Araji can solo fire rooms when Moloch is dead (at around ~1200 titanite earned), just heal him in mixed rooms... As for Earth, well, Earth has always been the bottleneck in dungeons, because the enemy can be 10-20 even up to 35 levels higher than you, this will get a little bit better when your Earth titans are over lvl 90 though.

[unborn blade]

For me, my earth is far from max but its not an issue even when the dungeon teams are 10+ levels higher than mine. Then again, I have a max verdoc. But fire is an issue as I maxed moloch. You need a maxed or at elast very strong moloch to survive even with a strong/max araji.

[cunning rock]

If people are not using Hyperion, Solaris, Ajari (and Rigel tank) on mixed floors to begin with, they are doing something wrong in the first place, no offense.

[cunning rock]

No, you don't, you need a strong Araji, read my guide again...

@unborn blade Your emoji toally unnecessary,. but as I stated before, when your Moloch dies, at ~1200 titanite earned (with a strong Moloch), your Araji simply will go on, NP

[unborn blade]

Mine dies at around 2000-3000 titanite.

[cunning rock]

And I know precisely why that is, cuz I didn't do too much elemental damage on him, or my other fire yet, cuz Attack is a higher priority.

[unborn blade]

Mine dies due to not being able to heal him fast enough due to eden.

[cunning rock]

Well, how strong is your Araji then? cuz basically he can solo fire...

[unborn blade]

119k

[cunning rock]

K

[unborn blade]

That'll be why yours solo's dungeon. However you will have more of a problem further down the dungeon

[cunning rock]

I'll be fine, trust me.

I did over 650 rooms again today, so.

Like I said, you take Araji along with Hyperion and Solaris in the mixed rooms, and he will heal, NP...

[cedar agate]

solaris, arjai, hyp rigel and who is the fifth for mixed room?

[dense rain]

the one needing healed

[cunning rock]

Tenebris to begin with, and then when you start needing to heal your DPS, that one instead of Tenebris...

Make sure if the enemy has two tanks, your DPS is not frontline, cuz he/ she will receive more damage than getting healed actually.

It's all in the guide btw, that's what I made it for.

[cedar agate]

i thought to heal more one would need water totem...

[cunning rock]

No, your totem will not even go off on mixed floors...

Your Araji already made quick work of them, so...

[cedar agate]

ok thats where i went wrong...my araji on 109k trying to fight teams close to 700k lol

[cunning rock]

You can always change things, follow the guide, and on 19th of November is the new titan event.

[cedar agate]

titan guide dungeon marked for reference. thanks Lest3s

[cunning rock]

Your account is younger than mine, so, you can always correct mistakes.

[ionic kiln]

this is simply not true

if u ult all ur supertitans ofc ur water totem wont go off

if u hold ur ults and use water team then u will be fine and not using unnecessary light and dark titans that dont help fire or earth teams

u should be using mixed floors to heal ur fire and earth titans (if that is necessary), i do agree with araji and eden solo practices or araji ignis and eden sylva

[cunning rock]

In a mixed floor with Araji, and 3 W titans, the totem won't even go off, that's what I said.

[ionic kiln]

thats not true...

maybe if u ult araji and hyperion right away and ur enemies r weak?

but just dont ult hyp and araji then

how about that 🧠

[cunning rock]

Your Araji usually ults right away....

[ionic kiln]

then dont ult him

ur water totem isnt firing bc ur killing ur enemies too fast right

so just dont ult the titans that will kill ur enemies super quickly 🤦‍♂️

[cunning rock]

That's counterproductive in a setting like this: read the guide please.

I'll post it again, so you don't have to look for it endlessly, one second.

[ionic kiln]

i was reading it up there but already theres stuff thats wrong

for example ur fusion for water fire totems r just plain wrong

[cunning rock]

I would like to think otherwise, especially in a PVP setting.

[ionic kiln]

u should be using pulse of the ancients, not echo aegis for water

[ionic kiln]

u would like to think, but u think incorrectly

definitely for fire ur wrong - ice age over last flash is just ignorant

last flash is op for fire bc it lets moloch ult 100% of the time

we can see how thats an incredible advantage compared to ice age

depending on ur last flash rank ive heard moloch can even ult twice or three times (!) which is definitely better than ice age

[cunning rock]

Let's agree to disagree here, echo aegis is a very strong weapon for Water, and Ice age is a very very much underrated weapon also for Fire.

[ionic kiln]

agree to disagree sure but know that top guilds mostly agree w what im saying...

agree to disagree sure but more ppl agree w me so...

[cunning rock]

If your Ice Age stops titans like Tenebris from doing their ult, you might wanna reconsider.

[ionic kiln]

thats so hyper specific, moloch w last flash is more routine stuns every single time

[cunning rock]

You're entitled to your opinion, but so am I on mine, and on what facts do you base your conclusion that more people agree with you? Did you ask them? No! (no offense)

[ionic kiln]

i didnt ask, they shared voluntarily... for example oly has publicly shared that last flash is the vastly preferred skill for fire fusion

every other person in top 50 🐮 ive asked has said last flash for fire undeniably - other fusion skills r up for debate

[cunning rock]

You seriously might wanna reconsider the power of a stun, like let's say, interrupting Araji's ult...

[ionic kiln]

last flash is a stun, thats what im saying

what do u think molochs ult does...

[ionic kiln]

also let me ask what u think echo aegis does for water bc it doesnt even apply to sigurd

[cunning rock]

You're leaving things to chance too much, and also, you're wasting my time.

[ionic kiln]

its not leaving anything to chance, its just five moloch attacks

if u wanna get mad bc im showing ur guide is wrong, thats fine...

but dont just be like "oh ur wasting my time" when its more accurate to say "i dont like that ur showing im wrong"

[clear geyser]

btw, last flash doesn't kill on dungeon right, i was thinking about it recently

[ionic kiln]

havent tried it, i actually try to get my titans to not die

[cunning rock]

Look, I don't wanna have an endless and pointless discussion with you, but if your fire team stuns them with ice age, and on top of that your own maxed fire totem goes off, it will make very quick work of them....

Of over 42 million damage, I have seen...

[ionic kiln]

very true. but ice age requires enemy totem activation while molochs stun is automatic and always happens

[clear geyser]

because around 15k was having some close fails on mixed doors, but frontline survived due last flash, was healed and nothing happened

[ionic kiln]

ice age is preferred on light normally

[ionic kiln]

thats interesting, ud think it might mark the titan for death since it dies after that time period anyway

[cunning rock]

No, you're too much relying on the charge of Moloch, while this is guaranteed, we do not share the same opinion, let's leave it at that, ok?

[ionic kiln]

@cunning rock its also crazy to me for pvp meta u say 3d 2l and 3l 2d instead of like... 3f 2l

[cunning rock]

Then you may do research again on what the PVP meta's are...

Srsly, let's drop this dicussion, I asked you quite enough times already tyvm.

[ionic kiln]

maybe u should consider doing that cuz what ur saying is based on ur experience w what lvl 90 earth titans?

[ionic kiln]

i would but the problem for me is that ur spreading misinformation in the form of a guide to noobs. u see how thats not great if i actually think half ur guide is nonsense

[cunning rock]

Srsly, dude, you're just one of those guys wanting to have the last word, but if you look into CoW defenses, you will see that it's mostly 3D 2L, or the other way around, that's not for nothing.

[hybrid crown]

what are you guys even talking abou t

[ionic kiln]

like how does ur water totem possibly not ult in dungeon? seems to me like u should just not ult ur araji and instead use him for his green skill so ur water titans attack faster and the totem can go up multiple times

[ionic kiln]

its a viable defense, but far from the only one, like gates of nature still use earth for example… 3f 2l is a nearly universal offense team

[cunning rock]

Once again: read the guide.

[ionic kiln]

i did read the guide.

[cunning rock]

Yes, of course.

[ionic kiln]

ur water totem isnt ulting cuz u um… use rigel

[cunning rock]

or 3W, Verdoc and Eden even, now...

[ionic kiln]

maybe if u used a water team ur water totem would ult 🤯

[ionic kiln]

btw tell me how moloch would not ult

like tell me a situation where moloch doesnt ult

[ionic kiln]

this guy made a titan guide #dungeon message but i disagree w most of it

[cunning rock]

I'm done, i am gonna block you, I asked you too many times that I didn't want to continue this conversation, yet you continue, like I am your bi@tch, tell you what? Newsflash, I am not! So, go talk to your bi@tch instead, she is apparently used to it.

[ionic kiln]

bro is done being wrong, i respect it

[cunning rock]

Yeah, so what? Then make one yourself, you know that hero wars central told me this guide was worthy of a blog?

[ionic kiln]

u know that not a lot of high end players take charlie super seriously?

bro think abt if ur using rigel solaris tenebris in ur mixed rooms thats three titans that dont need to be in dungeon

[cunning rock]

Ok, you have the last word, cuz you so much desire it, see you.

No, cuz that is exactly what you show with your behavior here, I am merely showing you a mirror. Now, bye!

[ionic kiln]

1. what happened to "giving me the last word"
2. i didnt say a single sexist thing lmao what r u on

also if u were curious... my araji is stronger than urs 😂

look my water totem ulted

i think it ulted two or three times total and my water totem isnt even strong yet sigurd is still very healthy

[dense wedge]

no more, this was done with no water totem lol

[unborn blade]

You still need to do dungeon...

[dense wedge]

maybe... not as much

[unborn blade]

No you will do. You need to at least do the bare minimum for the requirements for the guild tho

[dense wedge]

oh 😭 no motivation for it now lol. Whats the min we need?

[clear geyser]

as guild, 7500 titanite daily
with 20 active, 375 titanite per player
with 30 active, 250 titanite per player

[unborn blade]

250 daily minimum

[cunning rock]

Let's keep in mind that plenty do more, so 150 is ok as minimum requirement....

[dense wedge]

eh its gold 4, not the most active but still good and fun

[cunning rock]

OH, alright

[wintry lintel]

lol, i think i average 150 titanite on weekends but do a couple hundred on weekdays, most of my guild spikes on weekdays so it balances out. i dont like doing dungeon so i just dont whenever theres no need

[teal dagger]

Yes I hate Dungeon dutty as we can't skip any fight 🙁

[clear geyser]

iirc, on alliance you can skip at will or retreat without a rush

[clear geyser]

<@&729965095974731787>

[tough carbon]

[fluid elk]

So this is the channel for Masochists it appears.....

[olive ice]

Some days the dungeon wants me to lose.
One day the dungeon will talk to me and it will say: "ah! ah! gotcha!"

[gritty junco]

Eventually they will stop getting harder 🙂

Instead your titans will keep getting stronger and Dungeon will become easier again

[olive ice]

My water and fire teams are already nearly maxed, only earth still lags behind 😉
But when the dungeon insists to not give mixed rooms...

[vapid charm]

fire team in dungeon but gotta b creative

[vapid charm]

and this is sad titans died

ended with 2k

[dense wedge]

thats good lol

[unborn blade]

Uhhhh what-?

[thin quartz]

Do you want to know more about this?

[unborn blade]

Is it relevant to hero wars?

[thin quartz]

It's DND

[unborn blade]

I recommend deleting it as its advertising and that is against server rules.

[thin quartz]

Ah okiee

[dense wedge]

<@&729965095974731787> likely scammer it says

[tawny sinew]

@thin quartz this is an HeroWars server, not an D&D server

[fluid elk]

Dumb & Dumber????

I think this server qualifies.....

[blazing sapphire]

Lol 🤣 🍻

[oblique parcel]

definitely https://www.hero-wars.com?replay_id=1766571673889985452

[oblique parcel]

reading bad guide don't help, reading it repeatedly don't make it good

[oblique parcel]

for people willing to dig deep in dungeon, use water plus titan to heal on mixed, keep utl for non mixed. I don't want to brag only to show I know what I am talking about, dungeon

Mixed floor help prepare ult : (second water totem activation)

and this is a good beginning of fight

Araji only ult once he boosted his friends

next to be healed on mixed floor will be Moloch

if you do wrong on manual play just retreat and try again

here is earth fiight fully charged

just after second earth fight should be quick

and Angus heal plus ult for later following

[cunning rock]

Not many have an abs star water totem, dude, so stop dissing me and specifically point out what you do is not for everyone, but for end game players, and not a guide.

Guides are for everyone, not the select few that don't need a guide, and if you think they do, stop commenting on my guide and start making one yourself!

Instead of continuously trying to diss me, I suggest you find a better hobby, and do something constructive yourself and the community...

[worthy saddle]

yo guys I am on level 22000 in dungeon and still dealing with fire and earth teams of 220K power. I thought it maxes out around 21K with over 400k+ power and then it stops. Is this info wrong? If someone knows please post it here. Around which level do the dungeon titans stop maxing out? I want to start working on my light and dark titans.

[clear geyser]

level is not related to scaling, has to do with which fights you pick

this is max elemental scaling, varies from 396129 to 396132

@worthy saddle and this is max mixed door

[oblique parcel]

Hello and happy Christmass,
you might be right on one thing.
You are willing to make a guide, I am not.
So please make it good for the community.

1. make it readable, at the moment you miss to came back to line, and believe me first time I see your guide I wasn't able to read it to the end due to this

2. take it from begining, how to chose your first totem and why it should be water (I have a lot of trouble in dungeon and campain because I choose fire at begining... up to the moment I finaly get my water totem and it go smother after this).

3. for the part that I like, dungeon:
   I think you miss to emphasis that dungeon fuel Titan as much as titan fuel dungeon.

• dungeon provide titan soul stone, Titan Potion and finally gold.
  The whole point is basically dungeon is providing ressource you NEED!
  By doing good in dungeon you are going to have your elemental titan strong and 6 star (eventually access to titan soul store)
  You are also going to make it max level with potion
  you'll get gold for upgrade titan third artifact (but also gold to upgrade hero and pet)

4. fusion totem is high end and random, I think 10 catalyst and random power is enought to begin with, this is recent, give advantage and everything help at low level and catalyst shouldn't be wasted to try to have the perfect match, you'll have time to chosse (and to know what you miss) when titan are maxed

trying to heal with your proposition @cunning rock isn't effective, here is my first mixed of the day, tell me what is wrong here :

[clear geyser]

no totem healing will be better once Tidus drop

Hyperion + Tidus + Iyari

[oblique parcel]

here is the way I propose, please show yours @cunning rock

[worthy saddle]

yeah seems like I am already hitting the max mixed rooms but not element ones. I thought both happen at the same time. NVM then. Thanks for the info. I guess I will just have to keep going deeper.

[worthy saddle]

y only 2 star asherona? F2p can get more.

[uneven skiff]

Maybe saving for next titan ToP?

[olive prairie]

Yep

[plain rune]

Ok what?

[timber jolt]

lvl 2 titan doing more damage then the lvl104....

[plain rune]

Yeah... how???

[vapid charm]

i can tell u used ignis ult them used araji right after but from the looks of it araji ult then ignis then asherona... pyro then did the aoe dmg

if am not mistaken could b wrong idk

[valid quest]

omg they really exist. got 1, 2 to go.

[valid quest]

burnt for nothing during 4 unsuccessful attempts to up-rank something (from IV to V).
y e a

[cunning rock]

That is why I mentioned, your water totem star is way higher than for starters who want/ need a guide, their Sigurd will die too soon with what you do, so... They gonna need 3 star, 4 star or more to get their Sigurd healed up, otherwise it is counter effective, and therefor they will die on water sooner, that,s why I suggested to not use water on mixed, but Rigel, Hyperion, Solaris, and whichever.

If they get healed up by using a water team on mixed, well, then they don't need a guide basically... 🙂

But yeah, they need 3 star, 4 star water totem, preferably higher even.

[oblique parcel]

I'll be curious to see your healiing method on mixed

[cunning rock]

The same thing you used in the example, and it's written in the guide also.

How many stars is your water totem btw?

[oblique parcel]

that is my point this is not healing :/
My totem is maxed. But from where I am I can see which was my journey and you miss to understand that healing work with water totem even if low at low level,, whearas your method may not work at all.

[cunning rock]

No, at low level water totem, you are just gonna live less long if you do that, you need a high water totem, that's my point.

You need 3 star, 4 star, preferably more to do such a team on mixed floors.

@oblique parcel Also, good I pointed out some things, we are now both contributing into helping people with their dungeons.

GG

[oblique parcel]

I now understand one thing. you're sure to be right.... have a good holiday season and try to improve your guide at least

[oblique parcel]

no we are not in fact

[cunning rock]

Riiiight, never mind me trying then.

Thing is: if you don't have a maxed water totem, like you do you, is in fact shortening your dungeons if you use water on mixed floors, so, that is not good advice to be in a guide.

[oblique parcel]

My first totem was fire as I explain, so I remember not being able to have an elevator a day in dungeon.... but you have forged your mind good luck with what you have in hand

[cunning rock]

You are forgetting something, not everyone does the P2W thing that much, so they don't have a max water totem as you do after having started with fire....

It is basically like: Look, this is what you can do if you have a MAXED water totem, but those are not things for guides....

I am pretty sure you're not trying to show off (maybe you do, idc) but if you don't have enough healing on your water team because of your totem, this is not gonna make your runs longer, but shorter.

@oblique parcel So, in short, what you have, yes, it is a good team, but this team is not for everyone, far from, I hope you realize that now. Probably 75% of all players cannot do this.

[wintry lintel]

i think thats fairly true but remember that when you're at team lvl 70, it doesnt matter what level your water totem is on, its still gonna be powerful enough to heal your heros (at least, in my experience). its only when you get to the harder levels when you really get screwed if u dont have a max water totem; if your water totem is even just 1 star lvl 100 or whatever (easily accomplishable for f2p), lower level players can easily heal up

both of you make good points tho, me personally i dont have a max water totem and i usually try to use mort to heal up on mixed floors

[cunning rock]

At around floor level 13k, if you do not have 3, 4, or higher star, you should not do water on mixed floors, you die pre-emptilvely.

[wintry lintel]

its possible to do water + mort, or something like that, which does give you "best of both worlds" at a low level

on my alt, ive just been doing 3water + mort + solaris the whole time, and no issues

another thing that works sometimes is using water + eden, the idea is that u activate after eden pulls the last enemy underwater, and while youre waiting for the enemy to surface you get healed a large amount

works on my baby account

[cunning rock]

At what level though, cuz until floor ~13k, you're fine, but after that it's gonna matter.

[wintry lintel]

fair point 🤣

i think floor 11kish

3 star water totem iirc

[cunning rock]

Hang on @wintry lintel I am repeating the guide I made, just for you, and yes, bad text format, but I am not gonna pay a monthly fee for MS word, so...

Tell me what you think.

Let me read it again myself actually, and let's see what I think, lol!

[wintry lintel]

huh, i actually learned something new

i only had light, dark, fire and earth fusions memorized

[cunning rock]

Elaborate please?

[wintry lintel]

out of curiosity what does echo aegis do for water anyway?

[wintry lintel]

optimal fusion section

i dont run a water team ever so i didnt know that lol

[cunning rock]

It kinda matches Sigurd's immunity shield perfectly, you're gonna be a nuisance with this fusion for water.

This messes up Araji's ultimate big time, for instance...

He will still be focussing on Sigurd, which renders his ulti way less powerfull ofc...

Same if anyone would put Tenebris in the mix, but Tenebris charges slower.

I think my guide explains the cost and efficiency of usage of resources pretty well actually, but yeah: I wrote this guide, so, what do you think?

[wintry lintel]

under pvp meta teams, i would argue that (at least pre-fusion, pre-summoner titans) 3 fire + 2 light is very good on offense, you just wait until ur totem charges to 140ish and then activate... other than that, i found it pretty good, i would argue that earth isnt that bad to the point that you want to avoid it at all costs, but i def agree that you shouldnt ever go with earth if theres a better alternative. However. A fully charged earth team wont even take any significant damage, so if your other option is fire and araji is basically almost dead, then earth is a much better option

in any case, i dont do dungeon much so i cant really judge lol

[cunning rock]

Earth is more PVP designed, the enemies are 10-35+ levels higher in PVE, therefor the hardest to level.

[cunning rock]

3 Fire and Solaris, Iyari would beat 3 F and Tenebris, Solaris, but overall the last team mentioned wins more fights.

I use last team being said, I like the charge of Araji, and the fire totem, the little stun of Solaris, and Tenebris pew pew also, ofc.

I am actually gonna do a test run, see who wins.

Yeah, was gonna say, 3 F 2 light is only gonna win if the light totem goes off, which here it didn't:
https://www.hero-wars.com?replay_id=1766707448179693869

Knew it, lol, let's try that again! 🙂

7/7 for 3 F, Tenebris and Solaris, didn't even have to test 7, knew it already after 4 fights, weird that the hero wars guide says something else:

Strange, but yeah.

Imo: Moloch, Ignis, Araji, Tenebris, Solaris is one of the top 3 teams out there, btw.

Sure, some 3 dark and 2 light could beat that, or 3 light and 2 dark, but those totems are very costly.

[oblique parcel]

You are still not learning from previous discussion, this is false. do your test in combat training, aegis isn't working with sigurd

[cunning rock]

Hmm, fair.

[wild dust]

What an absurd level of healing 🫠

[oblique parcel]

this is max level combat training

[dense wedge]

real? Whattt

[wild dust]

With max buffs?

[oblique parcel]

yes

[sturdy pagoda]

does dungeon have an end

[fluid elk]

Nope it is infinite... there are (masochistic) folks well over 100k level

[slate sandal]

close to 500k 🤣

[fluid elk]

Damn, talking about being self-abusive 😉

[frank zenith]

why is ignis giving a piggyback ride to jhu

[fluid elk]

His legs are so short that he walks too slow otherwise

[blazing sapphire]

100k is called dedicated semi-amateur 😉

Its only anice beginning 😉

[fluid elk]

lmao you are the Godmother of The Dungeon Zsofi!

😄

[blazing sapphire]

Not any more... Cant really find enough time and energy now that my little one is not so little either 😄

[olive ice]

Sometimes heroes ride their titans' shoulders

[valid quest]

titans want to have heroes as pets

[unkempt glade]

I thought @timber jolt made this

[cunning rock]

That guide? No, I did.

[unkempt glade]

My mistake.

[cunning rock]

No problem.

Was it usefull for you though?

[unkempt glade]

I wasnt the one who asked for it, but I'm sure its very useful 🙂

[cunning rock]

Alright, fair enough.

[ionic kiln]

pls, fair warning, the guide this guy made himself is not rly accurate

he says water totem doesnt go off in dungeon, what bs lol, it obviously does. thats how everyone whos actually good at dungeon does it

[wintry lintel]

yeah, i dont do dungeon much (and im also an earth main) so i have no real opinion here, but imo earth is not so much worse than fire that you avoid it at all costs, its just kinda not optimal to use

[ionic kiln]

and then the optimal fusion section i personally disagree with and its also just kinda plain wrong like it says ice age for fire? obviously last flash is much better

[wintry lintel]

if its a fire team + light or whatever, it doesnt matter as much as you can combine in different ways

[ionic kiln]

fire is rly good offense, earth is a capable defense. things have also changed for earth since verdoc came out, at least thats my understanding

[wintry lintel]

yeah, verdoc made earth much stronger

still, fire better tho

[ionic kiln]

and im pretty sure verdoc & phyto >>> asherona & pyro

[ionic kiln]

maybe not at max, but light totem is lower investment than fire totem. id rather have last flash on fire and ice age on light

and put emeralds toward fire first to get it to max lvl

anyway that dude and i blocked each other cuz i kept pointing out the flaws in his guide and we got tired of repeating the same arguments. yes, water totem does go off in dungeon, yes, last flash is better than ice age for fire

but i thought i should advise u abt the guide, read with caution

[wintry lintel]

yeah, all i have memorized is for a fire team you want ice age, last flash, call of the elements, and pulse of the ancients (i think), and earth is just echo aegis + murmer of craigs

[ionic kiln]

primal zeal not pulse

[wintry lintel]

oh is it zeal? i forgot lol

my fire totem at 92 so idrc lol

[ionic kiln]

i usually see last flash on fire bc moloch and call of the elements on light bc totem keeps at 1 health, so that means ice age is the other light and primal zeal is the other fire

double check these tho, since asherona & pyro maybe things have changed. altho she doesnt seem very good to me

[wintry lintel]

yeah, i dont think shes very good either

fire also charges totem fast enough anyway, & its rare that you get enough totem ults for it to be that useful

[dense wedge]

just run auto 😄 then i dont need to spend hours and can do other things

[cunning rock]

I did not say that: I said it doesn't go off on mixed floors if you don't put ultimates off...

[cunning rock]

There is nothing wrong with Earth, it's just harder to do dungeons with until a certain point, cuz the enemies are usually 20 levels higher in the beginning.

[cunning rock]

Fire teams do not depend on Moloch, but on Araji, you won't be needing Last Flash, I would personally disrupt their whole team with Ice Age...

@ionic kilnAlso, you and I never got to the point that we blocked each other, maybe you're mistaken with someone else.

Imo: Moloch only has to help kill the enemy, or stun their (water) tank, he does not have to live longer...

Moloch just has to look pretty, stun, then he can die, NP: Araji and totem kill their teams....

To stun the enemy for one moment is more powerfull imho than to have Moloch live longer, cuz he already did his job then, and there is no reason to have him live longer.

@ionic kiln But, if you choose Last Flash, could you explain to the chat here, what are your reasons, instead of saying my reasons are wrong without any evidence..

Imo, Moloch has to help kill, or stun for instance a Sigurd, so Sigurd won't get immune, if that is done, there is no reason for me to have Moloch live, so stunning them when their totem goes off is more important for me, but let's see your reasons.

[ionic kiln]

oh, apologies. i recall u saying that water totem not going off is the reason u suggested using rigel solaris tenebris in mixed rooms, which is bad advice by my standards bc it introduces dark and light to dungeon unnecessarily and prevents u from using water totem (much more powerful healing) on any fire/earth titans

[cunning rock]

I have had a discussion with someone that thinks water is good to heal on mixed floors, it is, but only for people with abs star water totems, guides are not meant for OG people, but for new(er) people....

[ionic kiln]

this advice is simply not good, thats what im saying. i wish ud actually look at maxed last flash and see how devastating it is when moloch ults two or even three times, with a base guarantee of one. stuns in titan battles do a lot of work, and moloch happens to do a lot of damage with his. it is more beneficial to have these moloch ults than it is to have ice age freeze/fragility

[ionic kiln]

i think we did, or at least i blocked u. sorry (?)

[cunning rock]

Maybe.

[ionic kiln]

1. what happens if he dies before his first stun?
2. dont u realize how advantageous it would be if he could stun multiple times?
   these two things r why last flash is better, sorry

[cunning rock]

Ok, you have seen Moloch ult 2/3 times, what is the point, the enemy should lread be ead... enlgithen me...

[ionic kiln]

letting moloch live longer is stunning the enemy for several moments actually

[cunning rock]

Test Moloch against any tank, and you will see he will not die before having done his job, right?

Correct me, if I am wrong here.

[ionic kiln]

this isnt true, i have a two star water totem and my mixed floors r maxed and im doing just fine. also, newer ppl dont have rigel tenebris solaris at high lvls automatically, if theyre focusing on dungeon its easier to use the titans dungeon necessitates (elemental > cosmic). this guide demands too many titans for "new ppl" vs the old way (water totem + araji + eden)

[cunning rock]

And Araji and totem will do the rest...

[ionic kiln]

wdym whats the point 🗿 that amount of crowd control and frontline damage is just insanely valuable, moreso than any other primal skill offers fire totem. and the thing about last flash is, its pretty much guaranteed bc the titan cant die

[cunning rock]

Ok, you are trying to tell me you live and heal with water on mixed floors with a lvl 2 water totem?..... That is amazing, I don't, for long....

[ionic kiln]

in a 1v1 yes, in a 5v5 not necessarily

[ionic kiln]

whats that supposed to mean

[ionic kiln]

not lvl 2, two stars. lvl 130

[cunning rock]

We're in the dungeon channel here, so that is 5v5....

[ionic kiln]

lvl 2 would be amazing 😂 i couldnt imagine that

[cunning rock]

2 star, my bad...

[ionic kiln]

u shouldnt be doing fusions just for dungeon 🤔 its so expensive and mainly for gw/🐮

[cunning rock]

I don't think he will live that long then, by experience, with 2 stars only....

[ionic kiln]

ur talking about me?

[cunning rock]

about Sigurd used on mixed floors, yes, I don't think water will live that long, I have witnessed it.

2 stars: not enough healing...

[ionic kiln]

heres my totem, im 16.3k in dungeon, i can go indefinitely (until healing debuff)

[ionic kiln]

idk what to tell u, it just works

[cunning rock]

indefinitely So, you use water in mixed floors to heal?

[ionic kiln]

yes

in water rooms, the main titan that gets healed is sigurd. in fire rooms, i use all five or araji ignis depending how i feel. in earth rooms, my eden still one shots. but im not worried, even once hes unable to one shot, my earth titans will have no problem

[cunning rock]

And you call that indefinitely ? Cuz I am higher in dungeon floors? and if it was indefinitely, you would be rank 1 dungeons....

[ionic kiln]

the only titans i have to heal in the mixed room r sigurd, moloch, araji, angus depending on whats happened previously. sometimes i bring every titan into the mixed rooms so i can have all titans at full health and full energy, just for fun (like when im doing foundations of power)

[ionic kiln]

its indefinitely because i could do it indefinitely until healing debuff which i edited my earlier comment to state

i choose not to do it indefinitely every day because i fear that eventually it would be too difficult

[cunning rock]

I mean no offense, but do you really think your Sigurd will las longer than 5 tries on mixed floors?

[ionic kiln]

my mixed rooms r maxed out, but my water fire and earth rooms r not

[cunning rock]

Cuz I don't think so with 2 stars.

[ionic kiln]

im glad to say from experience, he does and he will 😄

[ionic kiln]

well, i know so, so, ya know, there u go

4w araji is the best for healing only sigurd

i will say, before my second star, and before i added fusion, my totem was struggling to keep up a bit

[cunning rock]

Ok, yet I am higher in dungeon floors.

[ionic kiln]

i only do the bare minimum per day, i dont push higher than 20 battles

[ionic kiln]

_ _

i have a fear of "stalling out" in dungeon where i advance too far just "because i can" and then suddenly my enemies r too powerful and i cant even do 150 titanite per day which would be miserable

[cunning rock]

I see where you would use 4W, sure, but still I think 2 star water totem won't last you long on mixed floors...

[ionic kiln]

since prestige was released, i can do 20 battles a day (90 titanite) and still get 150 total (75 more from prestige)

[ionic kiln]

its really great that u think so, but im telling u, from experience, it works

does that make sense? u can think as much as u want. ive already done it

[cunning rock]

We will have new water dude soon btw, acting as 2 times filling the totem... 🙂

[ionic kiln]

its frustrating to me that u wont accept this fact because its so obvious to me

the evidence is, when i need to push indefinitely in one day for fop or any other event requiring titanite, i can do it

and i can consistently make it so that all my titans have full health and full energy just for fun if i choose to do so

[cunning rock]

It is frustrating to you? it is frustrating to me also, cuz I wish my Sigurd lived longer....

[ionic kiln]

hows ur totem and ur sigurd looking?

[ionic kiln]

will have to see if hes any good before deciding if he majorly impacts dungeon

[ionic kiln]

maybe cuz u put that strange fusion on ur water totem...

my fusion is geared towards healing, which is the water totems natural strength. i think thats why its "recommended"

it happens to work out well for dungeon

[cunning rock]

Which one?

[ionic kiln]

theres a noninsignificant difference here 😉 im missing his mechanical skin and power from totem (two stars, bad fusion)

[ionic kiln]

i sent it earlier, its the mini water totem (the depths whisper) and a little healing (pulse of the ancients)

i and iii rank respectively

also if u look at my row of titans in the bottom its clear that my araji and eden r definitely strong enough to carry their respective rooms

which they r

i think if my only titans allowed were sigurd nova mairi hyperion moloch araji ignis eden i could do dungeon basically the same as i already do

[cunning rock]

You do not think Last Flash is good for Sigurd?

Only asking.

So, like if he would die, he could live longer and do his immunity, to disrupt the enemy?

[ionic kiln]

no, after last flash is triggered, enemies stop targeting that hero titan

titan, not hero, sorry

idk if this image is clear, but offense nova is targeting defense nova bc defense sigurd is only alive with last flash. offense nova ignores last flash and goes for the next titan in line

so last flash doesnt rly help sigurd defend anything

[wintry lintel]

yup, last flash is 100% better in titan events for sure, it helps you against a more powerful opponent or if your moloch is a baby asw

[ionic kiln]

also in non max battles w a power difference, there can definitely be times where moloch dies unexpectedly

[dawn glade]

Last Flash is surprisingly good for Fire Titans vs Earth Titans defense. Araji tends to burn himself to death first with his Ultimate vs the Earth Totem Shield (Song of the Ancient Mountains). With Last Flash he keeps on living and welding with his laser.

[ionic kiln]

araji dies before moloch?

[dawn glade]

yes he kills himself, the shield reflects his damage to himself

[ionic kiln]

i understand how he dies, just a little surprised that its before moloch

[worthy saddle]

yup with earth defense, Araji dies first before moloch. Because of how much damage he does, all returned to him.

[cunning rock]

That's why you should manual those fights...

[vapid charm]

without water totem gotta be creative with healings

[wintry lintel]

yeah, now the earth totem charges faster as well, which plays a bit of a role

[ionic kiln]

ah right forgot abt that

[tough carbon]

Waw

[boreal fiber]

Do the titans get very strong by 500k+ dungeon? I haven't noticed any real change once all the enemies are at level 119/120. They're like 134k at most. Then again, I'm only at about 22k in the dungeon.

[worthy saddle]

titans stop levelling after a certain power. Mixed room max power is around 690K and element rooms around 390K. From that point your titans get stronger but not enemy ones.

[boreal fiber]

Ah, that’s great. Thanks. :)
I guess they don’t get much worse at all.

[slate sandal]

They get stronger to dungeon lv 22k-25k … I don’t know the level … after you reach that, they are always the same

[vapid charm]

wow 5 million gold

this is motivation to keep doing dungeon

[verbal rover]

yes, keep going!

[uneven skiff]

I think that if you are THIS deep in dungeon, you dont need gold for anything hahahaha

[slate sandal]

what do you think? 😉

[uneven skiff]

point proven 🤣 🤣 🤣

[tough carbon]

Sharing is caring yk 💀

[opaque peak]

What's up with the dungeon today? Everything is wonky. Timing is different.
Enemy Sylva isn't ulting normally, to the point where I ran a test battle only using Sig's shield.
I got 53 second in before I cancelled and she never used her ult.

[light cobalt]

Since today I have seen Sylva in my team using her basic attack like normal, but her energy bar did not go up.

Same for the opponent, sometimes she doesn't ult at all, no matter how long the fight goes on.

You just cannot rely on it, sometimes it's normal, sometimes not. Looks like a bug.

[tough carbon]

Update just rolled, some saying it just got fixed

[valid quest]

its just that you wont need any gold anymore when you got there ^^

[worthy saddle]

does this help with dungeons?

Have 50 elemental catalysts. Saving for next TTOP. Want to take my earth murmur of crags to level 2 or higher. Hoping all this will help me with the dungeons.

[modern marten]

the dungeon is a huge time investment

[wintry lintel]

perhaps but thats not a great skill... just saying

[tropic bronze]

last flash is better overall as it keeps a titan alive after death and boosts attack, then instakills it once the effect ends. not sure how this would impact dungeon though

[mint pasture]

Got my first free Summoning Sphere from the Turtle rewards. \o/

[verbal rover]

congrats

[wintry lintel]

ngl for dungeon, depth whisper better

healing is always best

but dont build something just for dungeon, build it for combat... thats what ur water totem is for, and ur fire is for combat

[tawny sinew]

Congrats

[gritty junco]

Finally at ~24k I maxed all Dungeon enemy squads 😓

[tough carbon]

Wow 🥳

[verbal rover]

Such a patient guy 🥶

[worthy saddle]

wow I am at 25000 approx and my earth team is at 330K and fire team is at 275K enemies respectively.

[olive ice]

You like fire! 🔥

[rain zinc]

what is that?

[mint pasture]

So there's two types of Spirit Summoning Spheres:

• the gold version, often a prize in some events like the recent Tidus event or Seer's Game, which lets you pick a titan totem fragment of your choice; and
• this silver one, which gives you a titan totem fragment at random (which you can get at like a 0.2% chance if you have your Turtles hero to at least Red rank).

[rain zinc]

no, i mean how did you get the summoning sphere

[mint pasture]

. . . I just told you. If your Ninja Turtles are at least Red rank, little manhole covers appear in the Dungeon that you can open and get prizes.

[rain zinc]

oh, okay

i didn't know that, thats really cool

i dont have ninja turtles, thats why

[timber jolt]

A few short my man..

[worthy saddle]

Finally after 2 months grinding, I reach another milestone :

Man 20K-23K was easy. But 24K-26K took me forever.

[timber jolt]

like forever has no ending... for you 2 months mean forever for me forever means FOREVER like it will never be done.. a bit like my dungeon lol

[worthy saddle]

Just I like reaching milestones. Gives me a feeling of accomplishment. Nothing else.

[timber jolt]

that was apart from it though.. Its a nice thing you did i agree 😉

[valid quest]

its also in the support pages. easier to read than raymond's sermon.

• about totems: https://support-hwde.nexters.com/hc/en-us/articles/13288551241362-Totems
• about gifting totems: https://support-hwde.nexters.com/hc/en-us/articles/13746831257234-How-to-Gift-or-Exchange-a-Totem-Sphere#h_01HAPG0P561ZGF2M7TD6PHAZC3

[cunning rock]

Heights I haven't been in a very very long time, 581 floors btw!

[hybrid crown]

why would you spend hours on this ??

[cunning rock]

Because I ❤️ titans.

And because titans win wars, not heroes.

I would actually want to see an AoC version with titans, not heroes.

Gives me tons of titan potions and millions of gold also btw.

[cunning rock]

I will see you soon enough there. 🙂

@gritty junco I intend to become dungeon master on my server, which as it goes, I will in due time, lol!

I got 581 floors today, which obviously is kinda insane!

[hybrid crown]

think if the time you waste in this for years do you really wish to do all of this for very small rewards

[cunning rock]

Time doing something you love is never wasted, time doing something you don't love is.

IMHO at least.

[cunning rock]

@hybrid crownAlso, and I mean no offense, I am not retired from this game, the titan part is something I really enjoy doing!

[hybrid crown]

no offence taking i retired week ago
and when i was playing a rarly fail in either heroes or titans

[cunning rock]

Can you elaborate the reason(s) why you retired to me in private please? I may have some ideas, or I may not.

If you don't want to explain, there is no obligation ofc.

[hybrid crown]

there is no deep reason for it , i just no longer has time for game and i already have enough from it

[cunning rock]

That's a pity maybe, but it is the way it is...

Anyway: GL with your IRL!

[hybrid crown]

thanks , wishing you the best in both game and IRL

[wintry lintel]

nah tho cuz all it would take is a charged up team & nothing could beat it unfortunately

also healing would be a PAIN, only water would really be able to survive... altho double totem is kind of cool now

[cunning rock]

There is more than one way one to gain victory vs a titan team, just like hero teams, I would like to see something like that, for sure!

[wintry lintel]

I'm thinking, buffs on different buildings maybe? kinda like CoW? so like midtown isnt really easy to beat, or maybe teams heal after battles... idk

[wintry lintel]

yea, im just thinking that it would be a little annoying because you could technically (with a non-water team) just get battered 3x times by weaker teams that slowly drain your health until you dont have enough to make a full totem, which would be a pain for me lol

[cunning rock]

I am thinking about a PVP style with titans, we already have CoW, why not a PVP style withe more titans in AoC kind of thing, I would love it.

[wintry lintel]

yeah, with really slow move recharge... that would be cool

[cunning rock]

With heroes we would get drained also, so.

There is little difference.

I would like to see it though!

[wintry lintel]

yeah but at least for heros you can heal when facing opponents, like a charged ish team can run indefinately against weak teams that dont counter it

with titans on the other hand... only water :(

that said they could make the health bars recover quicker so it is a cool addition if implimented tho

[cunning rock]

But that still heals: water, and in hero teams we also don't always heal that much.

I think it would be a cool idea to have us fight with titan cross platform, like in an alternative version of AoC.

No one says we have to heal in AoC btw, most newest teams, don't heal that much.

[wintry lintel]

i dont have a maxed water totem (only maxed e+l), so i would be at a disadvantage if i were to hold something like midtown, as i could realistically only have 2-3 "defense suceeded" messages before the other team woke up and crushed me, idk maybe 5w could hold its own but i feel like it would also get destroyed quite quickly by using fire+last flash and eliminating the totem

[wintry lintel]

true, fluffy meta doesnt heal except by ressurection or after augustus dies (or electra obviously, but i dont count that as team healing)

[cunning rock]

Sustaining is not the same as healing, same for current AoC.

You can sustain several fights without healing.

[wintry lintel]

ishmael has 75% vampirism, lyria grants vamprisim, krista has vampirism, and aidan is a healer (depends on specific electra team tho), so i wouldnt say that hero teams nowadays dont heal... but i see your point

[cunning rock]

Alright, but rarely anyone uses those teams.

[wintry lintel]

yeah granted the fluffy teams have taken over

[cunning rock]

Indeed!

[wintry lintel]

but they are not good for aoc imo, this meta is terrible for aoc because there is no team with any good sustain

and titan aoc would be similar, an example is this:

and yet, the water team is an easy shot for the next attacker with any totem

[cunning rock]

There used to be: some kind of Aurora team, but it is redundant nowadays.

[wintry lintel]

yeah, and the lyria-ishmael teams mentioned above had insane sustain (ishmael fully charged was a beast to counter lol)

[cunning rock]

You cannot compare 5 titans vs 4, sorry.

[wintry lintel]

obviously its not a limiting flaw tho, we would be able to put more healing potions and stuff out

[wintry lintel]

3*

[cunning rock]

This is a BS example tbh, but alright, lol!

[wintry lintel]

what would you rather then lol

there is nothing that makes the fire totem go off without using 3 titans

[cunning rock]

What I would rather do in such a case? I can tell you very easily: Moloch, Araji, Ignis, Solaris, Tenebris, best F2P titan team around.

[wintry lintel]

no no you dont understand my point... im saying that the water team, even when its clearly much stronger than the fire team, is weakened beyond repair, with only 2 heros alive (it was also auto btw), and will be demolished on the next battle unless it is healed with a potion

[cunning rock]

Why would it be much stronger than fire team, because in most cases Moloch stuns Sigurd before he can do immunity?

[wintry lintel]

because it has 5 people?

[cunning rock]

And doesn't the fire team also, yet stuns Sigurd?

[wintry lintel]

i mean, i think we can agree that a 5 titan team is stronger than a 3 titan team

[wintry lintel]

the fire team has 3 titans

only way i could simulate underleveled titans

[cunning rock]

A 5 titan water is not that strong really, but ok.

[wintry lintel]

yeah my point is simply that any team would get their totem-making abilities crushed

[cunning rock]

On attack, Sigurd gets stunned most of the times on defense, which means: game over water team, just saying.

What I am trying to say is this: if Fire attacks even a full water team, they will stun siguard, meaning their attack no longer goes to Sigurd.

[wintry lintel]

well, i cant exactly simulate this tho (moloch did stun siguard) so like

and yes this is an example in which the water team might be able to sustain for a bit more

[cunning rock]

Ok, but I am talking abouit fire being on offense, not defense, there is a lot of difference in charging skills and totems.

[wintry lintel]

but honestly, in CoW, how many bridge teams have you seen holding their ground for more than 5 attack attempts? now think about it for heroes? i think its easier for heroes to heal, especially when you can pick and choose your opponents... there is almost no way for a fire team to heal

[cunning rock]

You would never use such fire team on defense to begin with, but ok.

[wintry lintel]

oh true

either way its really hard to win a titan battle without losing at least 2 titans tho