dungeon

[fading plover]

I doubt that's going to happen anytime soon... unless others can say differently.

thanks

[shrewd vigil]

People have been talking about new titans recently. No information about the events in 2024 have any titan ties though.

[charred dirge]

Wait, what dungeon cheaters?

Unfortunately it doesn't look like they can be exchanged or recycled into anything, much like artifact materials which I am experiencing an ever-growing back log of

[charred dirge]

Question is whether they release more titans that belong to existing elemental types or introduce an entirely new elemental type, the latter of which is probably far less likely. Whatever the case it would definitely add a new wrinkle to the dungeon

No hero is useless if you put them in the right situation to succeed. Some heroes are just naturally more preferable than others

[chilly fjord]

once you have elemental titans near max you can go indefinitely in dungeon, the only thing stopping you is the time required
so some players are/were using scripts that allowed them to clear dungeon levels corresponding to 20-30k titanite in a few hours
Nexters has refused to punish these players or stop the script, that is why they introduced the healing debuff

[charred dirge]

Would you take the water totem over the added health that both earth and darkness totems offer their respective elemental titans? Suppose you could equipped dark titans and access dark totem with same team though

[chilly fjord]

you have no use of dark/light titans in dungeon

[charred dirge]

Scripts? That almost sounds like an indefinite supply of divination cards

[chilly fjord]

scripts are quicker, and allows for optimal outcome

[charred dirge]

Hmm, well whatever the case, it does sound like an attempt to cheat the system. As for me, I see the dungeon as being a game of endurance above all else

[blazing sapphire]

For the Dungeon? Yes, of course, obviously. No matter how much health Earth and Darkness have, without healing, it just decreases and they die. You need HEALING, so you need water

[shrewd vigil]

They will not likely ever release 5th titans for any specific element.

[blazing sapphire]

lol, yeah, because then they couldnt get 💸 for new totem... 😒

[ionic kiln]

We need Seymour as a playable titan

Not bc it'll be good for the game, it won't, but it would be funny

[errant axle]

突然やって来た旅団が強い。
ヒーロー、タイタン共にベスト50に20人近くランクイン。

[charred dirge]

I mean, Xi-Sha is a playable hero in mobile is she not?

[charred dirge]

Of course, well at least Iyari and Mort have some healing abilities as support titans, not to mention Solaris can offer some bonus health

[charred dirge]

What makes you so sure of that? Unless you think the developers have plenty of other avenues to evolve the game to entice old timers to stick around while attracting potential newcomers, I don't see adding to the titan lineup as a bad option

[shrewd vigil]

I believe that they are aware of how totems work and a 5 man single element team will hurt the delicate balance.

[charred dirge]

You think so? I mean, maybe the fact there are 63 playable heroes relative to only 20 playable titans, I feel that putting a cap on the range of options for titan playable modes would still be a bit premature at this time, but I guess we'll see. I take it you're also against introducing an entire new element with an appropriate tank, marksman, support, and super-titan type belonging to.

[shrewd vigil]

Not opposed to new elements or even changing the rules of Fire over earth over water over fire as long as the rock paper scissors system still works.

They could even go with a Rock, paper, scissors, Lizard, Spock type system where they could have an assortment of tiered systems that typically work against the others.

[blazing sapphire]

This Fire > Earth > water > Fire.... rock, paper, scissors system never worked to begin with 😉 . Fire auto kills water, water can kill Earth manually and so can Earth kill Fire. These elemental advantages are rather just a kind of guidelines, not rules set in stone

[charred dirge]

I assume you are speaking based on experience with max power titan challenges in the guild battles section, but yeah, if it seems that the current elemental counterpoint system is becoming stale, then maybe it's not the worst idea for developers to look into shaking things up with new expansion wave.

[blazing sapphire]

No, please, dont 😱 . They fooked it up way too much already.

but yes, i was talking about max vs max. That is what can be tested by everyone in general. I cannot speak about the current level unmaxed titans of X player vs Y player... Thats an individual question 😉

[charred dirge]

I mean, if it is every players goal to eventually max out their titans, then we're all inevitably going to face that reality in game modes where it really counts like dungeon, guild war, clash of worlds, elemental tournament etc.

[blazing sapphire]

I have no intention of maxing my titans 😉

unmaxed titans can cause a capital pain in the @$$ for attackers 😉

look at this: same attack team, same defence combo, same manual timing, and yet: killed the maxed team and lost badly against the unmaxed one

[mental pivot]

i understand the reference

[charred dirge]

Is this tournament of elements we're talking about?

[blazing sapphire]

no, it was GW....

since when does ToE have Bastion of Ice?

[charred dirge]

Right, silly me, just that since it's titan battles that take place at those fortifications as oppose to hero battles

[blazing sapphire]

no problem 🙂

[regal bear]

i could imagine fire plant water electricity rock ice poison so on so on..

[charred dirge]

Ice is same substance as water, but in a different state of matter, rocks and vegetation are more or less sub-components of Earth, so that would become redundant pretty quick. I don't see poison flying as a bonafied element because it's not a naturally occurring phenomenon on it's own, it's more of a quality that other natural material properties possess. Maybe you've got something there with electricity, I'm not sure, your guess is as good as mine at this point

[regal bear]

electricity beats rock, fire beats ice while water beats fire..

im just imaginng here

[hybrid crown]

yeah but it is money wise to max

[shrewd vigil]

You do get free rewards for having maxed titan skins and levels.

[charred dirge]

Yeah, I kind of look at it as sort of a pension plan for all the money that one invests to get to power level max

[olive prairie]

Maybe a good point to stop 😁

[slate sandal]

I know millions of reasons (gold) not to finish the dungeon 😉

[blazing sapphire]

Billions 😉

[olive prairie]

It may be a bit more funny with a high level water totem. You know?

[blazing sapphire]

yes, we know 😉

[tough carbon]

that is literally my titan team

[gilded kindle]

where do you find motivation to do this ???

i'm so lazy

[shrewd vigil]

Get Valkyrie's favor and just collect the daily 150.

[olive prairie]

Aye, my titans are even in level far away from being maxed and that's why I need summoning spheres.

[olive prairie]

I currently found a tactic, where my water titans receive 100k health back per fight. Unluckily the fire opponents will increase in power if I use that more often. What should I level on my water titans, to keep it working for a long time (like artefacts 1 or 3 of one titan each time my fire opponents power increase by 1k).
I can't level the totem.

[regal bear]

i mean elemental armor makes sense to me

[torpid sage]

after some time enemies in dungeon stop growing in power, but thats right strategy - reheal harmed other element titans in mix fights with water totem and/or Iyari

[olive prairie]

Aye. I'm 100k away from that point. My main is nature, so I have to use my own strategies in mix anyway.

[torpid sage]

my main is earth element too and thats not so bad, in high levels in dungeon thats is ok, earth can survive many battles without reheal in high levels, harder is for fire where need reheal max after 2-3 fights, because in dungeon is algorithm what enemies can be behind each door, trust me

[charred dirge]

I think Valkyrie's favor is a must for anybody who is a serious player

[shrewd vigil]

It can be done without it, but it is so slow, almost unplayable.

[olive prairie]

How's your water team?

And what do you use for mix?

[torpid sage]

665k water team (4 water titans giving that power, need only skins lvlup titan lvl art lvl are max and absolute) + 5* water totem max lvl -> mix fights with Eden in team = 4 water + Iyari or 4 water + moloch for reheal, other mix fights = mostly 4 water + titan who need reheal (avalon, moloch, vulcan, why not angus? -> because angus hard reheal and other 3 earth titans on manual can easily keep on max energy, so i let angus die when his time and after that healing avalon after each 2-3 earth fights), and some mix fights i putting sigurd in reserve if showing that he will die and 3 water + Iyari + light/dark tank or mort

i tried my strategy write for guild, some got from that something, but mostly i think each for self need find own strategy

[olive prairie]

Ahh. I see. I'm f2p and that means if I say earth main there's not much additional. I got lucky with water totem (1*). But my dungeon team for mix fights is earth based.

[torpid sage]

algorithm from what can forecast what enemy (element) will be behind next doors (found that table here in hero wars discord):

prime = your main element,for which you get first 2 totems (you say earth i think)

[olive prairie]

I know this

[torpid sage]

my main is earth and i going when i can to mix, 2nd if no mix - then max with my water team and fire stays as last (sometimes during 30 rooms i dont meet fire at all)

[olive prairie]

But the difference is that you have a working water team and I haven't.

[torpid sage]

yeah without water team no reheal option = no dungeon farm

[chilly fjord]

prime is the element with the highest power of those 4 titans, so it may/will change with time
once you max out all elemental titans then earth will be your prime element regardless of how you got there

since people often focus on the element they got their 2 first totems in that naturally becomes the element with highest power -> prime

[torpid sage]

i have nowhere to focus more

[olive prairie]

What causes the differences in power?

[chilly fjord]

no idea, guess something different in stats, all titans have small variations in power when comparing maxed
it simply shakes out that earth is strongest in then end, however the difference is insignificant when comparing them, determining prime in dungeon is basically the only place this difference matter

[timber jolt]

L-D-E-W-F in that order

[cold dragon]

How many floors in dungeon? 1000000? 100000? Endles?

[olive prairie]

It's endless.

[cold dragon]

Wha

[shrewd vigil]

There are 2 floors. Endlessly repeating.

[chilly fjord]

hit the new buff threeshold, looks like the buffs now start at 2595 titanite (minus VF+prestige=225)

[valid quest]

400 doors they said

[slate sandal]

After 700 new stages, there you see the buff at 75%

[chilly fjord]

very nice💪

[slate sandal]

You are close to 100k ... respect! You have Billions of Gold 😄

[chilly fjord]

yep, same as you i guess, how many years have you been digging?

[slate sandal]

3,5 years ... you?

[chilly fjord]

2.5, started december 2021

[slate sandal]

February 2021 😄 ... So i think you be a little bit faster as me

[chilly fjord]

nice, well it goes up and down, slowed down quite a bit after last summer, no more need for titan potions at that point
now it is more a relaxing past time

[slate sandal]

for me too 👍

[chilly fjord]

btw, are you in united berserkers?

[slate sandal]

yes, why? 😄

[chilly fjord]

no reason, just remembered the name, i am in reborn united, we have faced each other in several matches in cow

[slate sandal]

We got Taipei101 this time, so it should be a draw

so you play at the top of the game, that's cool!

I will look at you the next time, if we fight again 😉

[chilly fjord]

yeah, seems like a draw, we decided to take a break and move server to get a few extra weeks break, working our way back up:)

after winning cow we sort of lost most motivation to compete and the draws are so tiring

[slate sandal]

we always fight a draw against the best, the game mode is at this high Level bored

they should change something

but for lower guilds, it's a good test against other guilds

[chilly fjord]

fully agree, we scored 7500 in every match for over a year, the past 3 seasons we finished around 20th twice and once in 1st place, complete lottery at this level

[slate sandal]

like us without the 1st place ... LOL

[chilly fjord]

sadly they are not likely to change anything, they just add another pvp mode instead

[slate sandal]

and i think, they never will change anything

my isaac is max, so no corn team at osh ...

[chilly fjord]

do not feel too bad about that, nexters is in full swing of ruining asgard anyway

[slate sandal]

i think that happens last week ... Asgard for me, nothing that i need ... Don't be able to fight the new Meta, so i don't spend much time to this part of the game

[chilly fjord]

yeah, a bit more like going through the motion, although there are more updates coming and we never know what that means

[shrewd vigil]

For me, updates made me feel useless and outdated. Just when I was on top of the world, winning fights left and right, I had counters for everything... Suddenly, I was losing every fight. Truly disheartening.

[jagged wave]

i dont even bother trying to keep up with pvp anymore

[tough carbon]

Nahh mann frr

[olive prairie]

Now they are stronger than my ones...

[ionic kiln]

🤡

[regal root]

🙈

[regal root]

It depends how much you've dug.

They might be weaker than it seems😉

[hybrid crown]

try to put a fifth titan 🤡

[olive prairie]

That's a good idea. But I am not from Russia (just fun, satire you know?). I am not a good hacker...

[hybrid crown]

haha shame i don’t have these skills too

[olive prairie]

If I could I would just create a titan that destroys all opponents if he enters the battlefield.

[hybrid crown]

i would like to add a small note, Generalising is not a good thing Russians may feel offended too

[hybrid crown]

we don’t have the skills but we may wait for a bug that helps

[olive prairie]

Alright.

[shrewd vigil]

Just because hacking tools are primarily used in some countries, does not mean people from said countries are good hackers, many of the developers distribute the tools among certain circles, but the users don't need to be good haxors to click a button. I have known plenty of people to use the same tools. Auto hunting in games, follower bots, that kind of stuff.

[turbid ember]

First 120 level titan on 208

[regal root]

That's awesome mate

[magic tundra]

hi

i want xpp

[magic tundra]

wow

[shrewd vigil]

I believe Moderators have banned people for spamming the channels with this same kind of useless message.

[regal root]

O_o

[cold dragon]

Hey, for the dungeon is a team of Brustar - 4 other supertitans(not Eden) good?

I haven't got any totem yet

[hybrid crown]

haha we are facing the famous blackdragon

[regal root]

Good luck:)

[shrewd vigil]

I hate how weak Sigurd is. He soaks bullets as well as Nicepool.

[regal root]

Sigurd is a decent tank....

[shrewd vigil]

He has a nice shield which prevents all damage. But without that, he is an ice cube riding the freeway in the hottest weather of summer.

[hybrid crown]

he is annoying once he alt you gain yourself 6 seconds of no damage

[shrewd vigil]

Your shield lasts for 6 seconds? Mine feels like 2.

[tough carbon]

try using him in COW and Guild Wars

he isn't that bad

[regal root]

yours is maxed no?

[chilly fjord]

should be 5 sec

[calm thicket]

I lost my strongest titans in the second fight. Water titans fully leveled and with max totem. Why am I still needed? Isn't it enough if I make a standing order or should I send all my money straight away? I'm here to have fun and not to be sent home after the second fight.

[blazing sapphire]

did you figth manually?

[shrewd vigil]

Is he talking about Clash of Worlds?

[regal root]

Dungeon, but we are unsure

[shrewd vigil]

Occasionally, you can lose multiple Titans in dungeon if you are timing it poorly. A mukti titan battle first can screw you over since you are completely fresh. I usually skip using Sigurd in those fights. Often splashing in Rigel. Well... I did. I don't do dungeon anymore.

[calm thicket]

Dungeon. And i am not completely fresh. And yes, don't do dungeon anymore sounds god. No fun, no time no money.

[shrewd vigil]

If you have Valkyrie, you get 150 daily regardless. If you do prestige, you still get 75 daily.

[calm thicket]

I know. I have 225 per day.

I play to have fun and not to get angry.

[chilly fjord]

well, if divination cards are used on titan fights then yes a maxed out player will lose titans immediately on mixed fights in dungeon
based on the power you describe you should be able to get 1-2k titanite per day BUT manual play is required, if you play on auto then yes you will lose quickly, that is simply how the game works

once you have strong enough titans and have figured out how to play it is simply a matter of how much time you want to spend
even with the new healing debuffs it is possible to get 4.5k titanite in one day

[dense wedge]

god damn, they pretty active there

ur not even top 3 in that guild with 1k in a day

[regal root]

Grinding as usual mate!

[chilly fjord]

yep, no GW or cow to manage on sundays, just relaxing

[regal root]

☺️

[slate sandal]

@here please give a star #📝game-discussion message

[slate sandal]

@regal root Who is this? Or is this normal?

[shrewd vigil]

People who beg for stars don't deserve them.

[regal root]

It is normal to ppl to react on certain starboard posts.

[valid quest]

he must, he is in pos1

[regal root]

^^

[teal gust]

dumb dungeon

[shrewd vigil]

Dumb... As in, you can easily do it because it lacks the intelligence to be challenging?

[regal root]

Maybe dungeon is boring?

[maiden pike]

it is lmao

[valid quest]

dungeon can be quite challenging if you try to use a light dark healing team for mixed battles, because you lack a high enough water totem. 😬

[shrewd vigil]

Darklight healing team? Can that be effective enough to run above 10,000?

[valid quest]

not at all. took me sometimes 1 hour to win one battle with some skill bars up and health not less, so i could go on.
and yes at around 11k it ended to work at all.

This team can kill dungeon hero teams in 6s (mostly 7-11 seconds). Do you have a faster team?

[tough carbon]

Faster team for dungeon is nebula Orion Dante, During 6-7 sec finish the battle..

[shrewd vigil]

Lara solo usually works best. Unless you want to take damage or deal damage for event tasks.

[olive prairie]

Maybe with Morrigan.

[valid quest]

thank you! i will try them all.

[shrewd vigil]

I usually include Morrigane for avoiding resurrection. But Lara speed is fine for rekilling any res

[ionic kiln]

Dante Keira or Aurora Keira mb

Iris' skills take a few seconds so

Maybe QM tank with Lara or smth, just a fast Crit team would be my guess

Or since they're so weak in Dungeon, maybe Satori? His Green skill does like 50k dmg

[shrewd vigil]

Lian is pretty strong solo, she spams like crazy.

[sleek crest]

and easily countered with seb and khorus

[shrewd vigil]

They don't use Khorus in dungeon.

[sleek crest]

also she can't spam like crazy when solo - her power is from locking enemies who attack her

[shrewd vigil]

She has 2 attack skills. She throws an aoe pure damage attack and she does a magic attack which is weaker. When the enemy is charmed, Lian spams her two attack abilities and ukts quickly increasing magic attack. If she had more penetration, she would be better, but the pure hits pretty hard.

[sleek crest]

green skill - 14.5 sec cd, blue skill 18 sec cd... 3 or 4 uses per minute can't be called "spamming"

[valid quest]

• Keira + Lara are my winners. They need 6 seconds. against about every team. have seen 7s and 8s once in ~25 battles.
• when i add Orion they need 6+1 = 7 seconds. what a game 🙄
• Keira solo is also fast but once nearly died vs dante-martha because of the dodges.
• Lara solo is more at 8-9 seconds average.
• iris solo can also do 7 seconds battles. just sometimes it takes 14+.
  thank you all

[shrewd vigil]

Back in the day, I used Keira solo but lost to a yasmine consistently. That was a long time ago though, all of my usable heroes are r+ and never fail in dungeon.

[fluid elk]

Keira solo is too squishy to take on Yas

[sleek crest]

never had any problem in both - dungeon and tower

[valid quest]

or on a Dante with dodging luck

[valid quest]

same for me. just looking for the fastest dungeon team. ^^

[hybrid crown]

keira

[valid quest]

thanks, i have optimized my dungeon speed team already ^^ #dungeon message

[limber atlas]

found a way to deal with being stuck with moloch every mixed fight, if you re anything like me and have weak fire and non existent earth, you can use charged tenebris, hyperion and mairi so moloch dies before he hits angus twice

to heal moloch with very low health and half energy you can use charged solaris so she stuns enemy moloch while hyperion gives enough health to yours so he survives one hit, after that you just need to pray your moloch can stun theirs before he kills yours ^^

[shrewd vigil]

Dual tank or triple tank has always bothered me in dungeon. My near max Sigurd crumbles under the weight of the spam and so too does my weakened angus or moloch in my "heal this tank" position. I usually push through, but it annoys me. I don't do much Dungeon, well, any dungeon anymore... But it was an issue when I was doing it.

[valid quest]

Worst is Sigurd + Moloch or Sigurd + Nova. Team water alone can't kill Sigurd before his shield / my water totem fires without damage to their Sigurd. For more frontal damage I try to use charged tenebris or araji.
Lately the usual opponent team became 2 of Sigurd, Moloch, Nova + Araji + Eden + Sylva and it's hard to decide weather to go for more frontal damage or more stunning their back.

[shrewd vigil]

Araji, Eden, Sylva is certainly annoying since it pushes Araji out of Nova stun zone.

[sand brook]

Use Solaris

[frosty wigeon]

why are less heroes faster than 5? some sort of hidden mechanic that lowers the cooldowns?

[valid quest]

when i add orion it takes in average 1 second longer (battle timer). can this be caused by his animations?
looks like the game engine is a bit meh.

[sleek crest]

they just attack in order- one after another... executing 5 attacks will take more time than 2 or 3

[shrewd vigil]

This also has an effect on the skill timing. You can notice it the most during Lian solo fights. Lian vs 5 heroes, all heroes are charmed, Lian spams her attacks in rapid succession.

[valid quest]

Then we should ask for heroes with short animations so that they don't slow down each other.

[oblique stone]

can someone explain how team lvls for enemy titans are reached

i am having an issue with my water team at 425k fighting fire at 333k

my earth team at 476 against water 214 is no prob

[shrewd vigil]

There are a lot of individual aspects. Skins, seals, artifacts, Totem level, individual titan level.

[oblique stone]

and my fire at 371 against earth 161 is ok too

the water and fire are almost equal but my others are fighting enemys with 200k diffrence??

[shrewd vigil]

So, the more you fight an enemy element, the stronger they become.

[oblique stone]

yeah but i haven't been using the water team a lot i use mainly fire and earth

[light cobalt]

It also depends on your titan strength. If you boost a certain element, your opponent also gets boosted (at a lower degree). So it's related to your own strength and the number of fights you won against that element.

Maximum strength of a single element's opponent is 396.132 (mixed fight 670.735) Once you reach that, you can win as often as you want, or boost your team as high as you want.

[chilly fjord]

i have heard this claim before that opponents gets stronger when you upgrade, however have never seen any proof of it
only that opponents gets stronger when you beat that certain element or mixed
still do not believe your own strength has anything to do with it

[shrewd vigil]

I thought you two were the same person for a hot second

[light cobalt]

@chilly fjord: I've noted down the opponent strength and type for a long time. Rather at the beginning, when I upgraded titans during an event, the opponent strength jumped up by almost 10k on a single day without having done a lot in the dungeon. I noticed this effect several times, so my titan strength definitely had an impact on the opponent strength.

[chilly fjord]

ok, the reason i ask is because i never observed that in my years of playing,
when my fire and earth were equally strong their opponents were very different, which is reasonable since i fought more with earth
reason i asked was because i have heard this claim many times but never any official source (wiki only mentions how many times you beat it, not a word about upgrades), so without that i remain sceptical to it

[halcyon hatch]

eye witness here:

Dungeon is balanced around the team you are facing, and multi battle around your strongest combination.
this much is known for sure, it sets it at dungeon reset.

so if you make a big upgrade you will have a very much easy day with whatever you upgraded, but the day after the hangover will hit, both cus of the increase in dificulty from having a stronger team, and also from going deeper, you can kind a over achieve in this way.

the most noticeable i learned this, was when i got my first non water totem, after that i was never able to go super deep again, untill now that i'm getting closer to max power on my main teams.

but you will only notice this for real in the earlier stages, while an upgrade to your titans is much more significant...

also, the days you made massive upgrades after you had completed the dungeon first with small achivments in depth, you would not experience the benefit from having made this upgrade after the reset.

[dusty seal]

🤔

[halcyon hatch]

anyone else hate thus Golden ticket quest?

#💬general message ⭐

[gritty junco]

Just don't use a divination card in 1 of the hero fights and send 5 heroes you practically never invested in. That completes the quest easy

Tbh I hate more the 'Win X times with a Warrior/Healer/etc in the Adventure mode'. If that falls on a day when Adv 13 has the 10 map, it forces me to do Adv 12 which has rubbish rewards

[halcyon hatch]

yeah i know, you basickly have to send white heroes to clear this quest. 🤦‍♂️

generally its the quests you get locked out off if you for whatever reason don't notice you have to go out of your way, or fail at the attempt, and its not possible to doo over.

[sleek crest]

why white? sending celeste and using manual mode to keep her in healing form is enough... another way is fafnir

[halcyon hatch]

cus my purples is not always enough damage taken, and then if i loose titan fight i dont get more chances.

[sleek crest]

celeste in light form doesn't deal any dmg so she can stack dmg received... fafnir doesn't deal any dmg at all... you can stack dmg received as much as you want with tose

[halcyon hatch]

mind reminding me of that next time the quest is there?

[chilly fjord]

why white, just do normal dungeon and you will clear it
this team got it done for me, no need for manual play or changing teams

why are players so determined to complete the quest in one fight

[halcyon hatch]

cus the reult is as on the image, if i dont. 😥

[sleek crest]

my dungeon team is like this:

but it is way to strong to complete season quest to receive 200k dmg

it is reason to use white heroes or at least some really weak ones - you need heroes who will get damaged by enemy

[chilly fjord]

are you trying to complete the quest in one fight? then yes, but why force yourself to complete it in one fight?

it takes more time fighting manually and changing team just to complete it in one fight than it takes using multiple divination cards to complete it

[gritty junco]

I'm not determined to do it in 1 fight necessarily, but 1 time I had a very bad day in dungeon (so I didn't have so many hero fights to begin with) and I couldn't complete this quest just using my Top 5

[halcyon hatch]

bad dungeon rng, you dont always get enough fights to beat it, fx too many earth gates in a row, and you dont get very deep.

[gritty junco]

Luckily that's improved for me by now, but I still prefer not to take the risk

[chilly fjord]

true that you need enough fights, but still

[halcyon hatch]

i feel the dungeon is rigged when this quest is on, i always have bad dungeon rng on those days 😅

[chilly fjord]

well, if you want to easily take 200k damage in one fight then do this

[halcyon hatch]

i'll try and remember next time.

the good news, a guildie reminded me, its not a big deal for once, cus cant get the next, battlepass lvl anyway.

so now its only the completionist in me thats miffed.

[chilly fjord]

well that is only the case if you have the ticket, without it you reach another level by completing it

[halcyon hatch]

I got nice guildies. so was gifted.

that always make me feel like i cant risk wasting it then, 😒

[sleek crest]

just get multi-element one on first titan fight and you may be already almost done

also you don't need to win to get dmg counted

[chilly fjord]

are you fighting titans manually or only auto?

[gritty junco]

I always do dungeon on manual

[valid quest]

Multi-Element as first battles I do with dark white. Usually costs me the tank. Can do that twice if there has been no water in between.

[gusty pasture]

On a scale of 1 - 10. How badly should I work on my titans? My hero’s are great. My titans suck.

[olive prairie]

Are you f2p?

[halcyon hatch]

6 🤷‍♂️

[gusty pasture]

f2p? Free to play? No.

[olive prairie]

And do you buy the season ticket that offers a totem?

[gusty pasture]

To keep it short. I don’t spend money on the game at all.

[olive prairie]

Ah. Than you should just play smart so save your resources for titan events. And put all the resources into the titans where you have the totem (+ super titans)

[valid quest]

what power is your main team? there will come a point in time when you gonna need gold from abs star titans in order to do ascension for your heroes. also for the first year of a server guild war is usually won by titans blocking the bridge. so the better guilds will wish you to upgrade your titans. So when they are far weaker than your heroes (on your server's ranking lists) i'd give upgrading your titans a 10/10 .

[gusty pasture]

Uuuhhhhh…. My power for my titans aren’t good..

[gusty pasture]

So we don’t talk about it 😅

[valid quest]

okay

[gusty pasture]

My titans suck

[frank rover]

try to join a better guild

[valid quest]

i agree

[gusty pasture]

I can’t. The others in the s9 are 100+ for lvls. I’m lvl 79

[frank rover]

you play on server 9 😱

[gusty pasture]

Yeah

[frank rover]

you must have taken a lot of breaks then s9 is old so your titans should be way stronger

[gusty pasture]

My account got transferred to s9. Thanks to my brother.

[frank rover]

💀

i would say start another account on a new server then

[gusty pasture]

But I love my hero’s 😭

[frank rover]

you can lvl them up again

[gusty pasture]

But that takes so much time 😭

[gusty pasture]

I will though when this account maxes out.

[frank rover]

good luck with that 💀

[gusty pasture]

When my five main and me get to lvl 130 maxed I’ll start a new one.

[valid quest]

got a very rare group in the dungeon. at least ive never seen this before. supers at the front.

[shrewd vigil]

Looks super tanky.

[gusty pasture]

Just curious.., What lvl Dungeon are you?

[valid quest]

26,610

[gusty pasture]

Daaaammmmnnnnn

[remote needle]

HELLO ALL

[dreamy crow]

Doing Dungeon right means your titans have HP & energy to keep going

[empty path]

hi gm, i hope you can reduce the difficulty of titan dungeon, i reach lv 17000 and its hard to get 300 titanites a day now

and it's hard to get more titan potions too

[sleek crest]

it was this way for years so they definitely won't reduce it after changes already making it easier than before...

[blazing sapphire]

Its not the Dungeon that must be easier. Your titans and water totem should be stronger

[storm stag]

Why does collected titanite count only towards my personal but not the Guild Counter?

[blazing sapphire]

try to refresh the game?

[blazing orchid]

i can't keep going 😦

[blazing orchid]

im too week

my titans are only lev 70

but im lev 95 so

[shrewd vigil]

You must! No excuses.

[blazing sapphire]

with 25% debuff, 2 tanks dead and Zsofi out of the Dungeon for today 😒

[fluid elk]

Dungeon Diver!

[blazing sapphire]

😁

yeah, but.... that stupid debuff gets in my way 😒

[cursive gull]

when does it no longer stay at 0%?

[blazing sapphire]

After 400 doors

[cursive gull]

what do you normally do to heal? water totem in the multi-element fights? what's the specific set-up?

[blazing sapphire]

Then its 10%, then from 500 its 25%, and then idk....

[blazing sapphire]

Indeed. 4 waters + whichever tank needs healing. If both tanks are in good shape, then i use Araji as 5th titan to be faster

I dont use Dark and Ligth titans at all in the Dungeon

[cursive gull]

ty 🙂

[blazing sapphire]

You are most welcome 🙂 . I can show you a video tomorrow if you want.

[cursive gull]

I would apprecate it 🙂 Which titans should be strongest for the dungeon? The elemental tanks and supers?

[blazing sapphire]

Yes. My first maxed totem was fire, and then i also got water. My other totems are still weak, but i pumped up Angus for Dungeon and Eden for defence purposes

[copper lynx]

thanks Zsofi. super helpful stuff.. look forward to the video 🙂

[plain marlin]

dungeon makes me brain dead 😂

[blazing sapphire]

My brain is dead to begin with 🤪 . So there is nothing more to lose 😄

Here it is. But keep in mind that this was made with titans all maxed at lvl 120 and only tanks have Champion skins. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du5BBHmdwe0

[copper lynx]

super.. thanks Zsofi 🙂

[tough carbon]

Good job 🔥

[blazing sapphire]

could be better without the debuff...

[blazing sapphire]

crossed the 900.000 Gold mark 😁 . Just 10.000 more doors to go for the 1.000.000

[copper lynx]

wow! fantastic stuff! i am jsut trying to get to 10,000! lol

[tough carbon]

Iam at 22,800 during two years.

[copper lynx]

haha.. we are in similar boats then 😁

[blazing sapphire]

i started to speed up from.. around 22.000 or so when i got my last water totem during the Julius event. Then for a few months i run like crazy. Then real life came in, but now i need still about 1,5 million potions, so i run again 😄

ah. no, sorry... Just calculated, and i only need 1.353.230 more 😅 . Awesome 🥳 ....

So just 20.819 more doors....

[olive prairie]

Do you have like a table for the values from level 120 to 130?

[copper lynx]

well then.. i do have some hope 😀

[blazing sapphire]

Its 322.900 potions for each titan. And yes, i have a chart, but cannot attach now

[olive prairie]

Wow... I saved all titan potions from soul shop for one month and I can level one titan...

Thank you.

[blazing sapphire]

Here you go 🙂

[cursive gull]

very helpful, thanks 🙂

[verbal kestrel]

👏

[olive prairie]

Really nice. Thank you

[blazing sapphire]

and finally the last 10 doors to go for today with 50% debuff....

@chilly fjord are your elemental totems at 130 already? Have you tried running Dungeon with them?

[chilly fjord]

nope, waiting on turtle events and such before spending more ems

to me it is worse in dungeon, but that is because of 2 reasons

1. i kill enemies quicker -> less healing
2. all timings are different so it just takes more time
   still i have no problem doing 4k titanite per day if i really want to and have time

[blazing sapphire]

i had the same thoughts 😄 . Great minds think alike again, it seems 😉 🍻

[chilly fjord]

zilch said the extra healing from a maxed water totem makes it much easier, guess we will see

[jolly jewel]

I don’t think he was too happy about it though

[blazing sapphire]

has anyone ever managed to get through the 50% debuff and reach 700 doors? 🤔

[shrewd vigil]

What happens at 700 doors?

I am surprised they don't sell a debuff reduction potion of some sort for super bored whales.

[blazing sapphire]

At 600 the debuff raises to 50%. So reaching 700 doors seems to be very difficult for me, this is why im curious if anyone has already managed.

[chilly fjord]

getting to 75% debuff is no problem but then you really start to bleed out titans, the key to get through 50% is to avoid mixed battles if possible, those are the most damaging ones

[chilly fjord]

there are some posts #dungeon message or #dungeon message from a few months back showing the 75% debuff and the 4.4k+ titanite to get there

[blazing sapphire]

Ol, then i might as well try too. Thanks @chilly fjord 🙂🍻

[chilly fjord]

keep in mind that was before the update so might be easier/harder now, also it takes a lot more time later on, had to retreat many times at 50%, good luck🍻

[shrewd vigil]

Would be pretty funny if they started adding Totems to the enemy lineup.

[blazing sapphire]

nooo.. please.. dont 😰 😱

[blazing sapphire]

lvl 90.000 reached today ⛏️ 😤

[fluid elk]

🥳

[ionic kiln]

i love miners ❤️

[blazing sapphire]

and i love to be a miner 😉

[ionic kiln]

i need to call a trusted adult

[fluid elk]

We have those around here??????

👀

[ionic kiln]

whats stormys @ 🤡

[fluid elk]

hahahahaha

🤣

[ionic kiln]

aight watch me get banned now

[fluid elk]

Naw, there's no mods with wicked Ban Hammers anymore 😉

[blazing sapphire]

and an other 600 doors conquered today

[copper lynx]

🤣

[ionic kiln]

whats ur totem total now

how many of each

[ionic kiln]

🐳

[harsh cradle]

nice

i got one light 😭

[twin kernel]

Dang

[ionic kiln]

does dungeon go beyond lvl 120 now?

[gritty junco]

i haven't seen any >120 level enemies there yet

So proabably they kept it as it was

[ionic kiln]

nice

[olive prairie]

I think they said that there won't be any further changes in dungeon (about Ninja's special abilities).

[ionic kiln]

u mean except ninjas special ability?

[olive prairie]

Yes

[ionic kiln]

yeah

but the lvl 130 change wont affect dungeon means its gonna get a lot easier hopefully

[light cobalt]

That depends. Your timings change. And more damage / less damage taken means your water totem has less time to heal.

[turbid ember]

Lucky 😭

[empty path]

hello, does anyone have trick to get emelental spirit / totem, I have played this game for 3 years and i only had 2 stars fire totem until now. I played this game for free.

[sleek crest]

only trick to it is to open a lot of spheres or pay a lot of money

[shrewd vigil]

Money is faster. I have received 3 from spheres, but I had a lot of spheres since I had paid for other services along the way.

[blazing sapphire]

💸🤑

[earnest hearth]

Anyone having issues with the Guild Dungeon today/tonight???? I'm missing 75 Titanite from my usual collection amount for the number of levels completed!!! 🤬

[sleek crest]

and collected guild prestige quests already?

75 looks exactly like reward for guild prestige

[charred dirge]

Not entirely sure if it makes sense even by means of spending emeralds that way to complete event quests. I think one can spend maximum 30,000 emeralds amongst the three daily manhole covers, and even then a totem is still by no means a guarantee

[shrewd vigil]

75 is exactly the reward for prestige. I was thinking it may be related, otherwise... Why would it be exactly 75? Perhaps you collected it before the reset. Try again tomorrow and the next day, try to duplicate the missing value, or find yourself with 150 more than usual.

[mint pasture]

> Turtle dungeon reward is active
> attempt to claim said reward
> game crashes and needs to reload
Happens about 80% of the time. Sometimes doesn't even get to the item confirmation menu. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[blazing sapphire]

@chilly fjord i already noticed a mess up in the Dungeon by this lvl 130 update. I pumped Eden's seal to 130 and giving one level to his weapon every day, and so now the water enemies die before my Angus can regain full energy 🙄 . I havent touched the Earth totem yet.

[chilly fjord]

hehe, do as i do, never activate angus in earth fights

[blazing sapphire]

will be hard to defeat that habbit 😄

its so convinient that the enemies are 60% dead before they even reach my titans 😄

[light cobalt]

Apart from the bug that the running events didn't count the game day change to release the bonus for the next day, also the guild dungeon titanite seems to have a bug today. During the last 30-40 levels the acquired guild titanite has been jumping between two numbers and won't progress.

And for Angus... I only activate his ultimate in mixed fights so that he remains in second line and doesn't get hit by the enemie's tank. For me earth fights are only there to load up Angus' energy, in case it's not at 100% anyway.

[gritty junco]

I noticed the same.

We should try get this to the Starboard

[shrewd vigil]

That treasure belongs in the Sewer forsooth.

[blazing sapphire]

an other 5.000 doors done 😤

[blazing talon]

Nice 🙂🙂

[amber bridge]

Talking about totems odds, out of context

[fluid elk]

actually it's 1:5353 opening altar spheres

[frank zenith]

jeez on my first account I got two totem fragments from maybe 2k spheres 😆

[shrewd vigil]

If only you could open 2,000 manhole covers in a sitting.

[shrewd vigil]

You're still so far behind.

[blazing sapphire]

Yeah, i know.. 😰 . But i'm now limited to 600 doors / Day 😭

[olive prairie]

Hej, what's the maximum power for single element opponents?

[chilly fjord]

https://hero-wars.fandom.com/wiki/Guild/Dungeon

[olive prairie]

Thank you. Still 60k to go.

[light cobalt]

The numbers are slightly incorrect.
Maximum ist 396132 (strength varies between 396129 and 396132) and 670735 (670734 to 670735).

[gritty junco]

Any idea, what floor in the dungeon you reach these numbers at?

(I know it will depend somewhat on which choices you make mixed vs. single element)

[chilly fjord]

depends on how many times you beat a certain room, the strength goes up each time you beat that certain room
so it varies but for me water and mixed rooms maxed out at around floor 15k and then earth and fire rooms maxed out at floor 20-25k

[gritty junco]

hmmm, I'm almost at 20k. But Earth & Water (my non-prime elements) are still only at ~250k

I'll have to wait for the next day to check where water & mixed are at

[chilly fjord]

i could be wrong in my memory, was a long time ago

[gritty junco]

But anyway, good to know there's some light at the end of the tunnel and eventually dungeon should become easier again 😁

Especially once I get some titans to lvl 130

[blazing sapphire]

I dont think, lvl 130 is the key to make Dungeon easier. I would rather say, the key is your water totem

[gritty junco]

sure, but getting to lvl 130 is actually achievable in the mid-term. Getting another 3* on my water totem is gonna take a couple of decades 🤣

(as a VIP 0)

[blazing sapphire]

ah yes, this is also true 😅

but now maybe the turtles will favour you 😉

[gritty junco]

yup, working on that

Currently Orange+1. And I've got a Manhole cover in the bag

[blazing sapphire]

good 🙂

[gritty junco]

So I can verify this now (Dungeon lvl 19550):
Fire titans are indeed on max now
Mixed titans are on 604 330
Earth titans are on 259 159
Water titans are on 249 646

[olive ice]

Did the max level for enemy titans in the dungeon increase after they raised the max level for our own titans to 130?

[blazing sapphire]

no 🙂

[light cobalt]

Reached max strength:
Water vs. Fire --> lvl 18.442
Mixed fights --> lvl 19.072
Earth vs. Water --> lvl 22.450
Fire vs. Earth --> lvl 32.600

[plucky vine]

Thankfully not, otherwise it'd be more of a pain when grinding!

[olive ice]

Nice, thank you 🙂

[light cobalt]

If you have your water titan energy loaded up with the first fight and get a mixed one in the second, which titans do you prefer to use there?

For my part I'm taking Eden and Avalon in the second fight, together with Hyperion Sigurd and Nova.
If I get another mixed one afterwards, it's Araji and Iyari. Next one would be Solaris and Tenebris.

[gritty junco]

Depends on the enemy and on the health of my Araji & Eden. Based on that, I pick 2 from Tenebris, Araji and Eden

Avalon & Iyari wouldn't be strong enough do much

I'm working on Solaris (although now a bit sidetracked with the 130 increase). Might be an option comming forward

[blazing sapphire]

I usually use Moloch because Fire is my strongest element, so it never hurts to have Molochs energy up because he figths a lot.

[light cobalt]

My Moloch hardly fights at all. I avoid a fight with my fire titans wherever possible. Most of my fights are done by the Earth team, that's why I need Avalon (protection) and Eden (wipe the whole enemy) fired up.
Iyari is the last option I have when a tank is almost dead and won't survive a single hit. Then Iyari can start to heal and keep it alive until Hyperion and the water totem are ready. Won't happen too often, but it's good to know she's ready when I need her.

@blazing sapphire : How many fights with your fire team can you do until you need urgent healing?

[chilly fjord]

for a maxed player i would say this
before update: 2 fights before moloch needs healing, then without moloch 1 before vulcan needs healing
after update: 3 fights before moloch needs healing, then without moloch 1 before vulcan needs healing

[light cobalt]

Same here, if I'm lucky Moloch survives 3 fights. Angus is totally different, for him it's like 5 or 6, then Avalon can tank another 3 or 4. And even Sylva and Eden can survive another one.

Plus another bonus... Angus can start the fight with his ult and stays away from the front line so that Hyperion can heal before Angus get's even hit.

[chilly fjord]

would say 6-8 earth fights for angus, then another 3-4 earth fights without angus

[dapper snow]

My first choice is Iyari and then Mort because other than Hyperion these give good healing....especially Iyari....sometimes one of my non water titans are low on health then I use Iyari as i can trigger her ult even before the titans reach the center of battle. this way the low-health titan is getting some good health boost before the actual battle begins

[light cobalt]

@Zsofi 631: How do you manage to use your fire titans that often if Moloch can't tank too much? I guess you also need healing after 3, max. 4 fights.

[blazing sapphire]

yes, after 4 Moloch is already crying and maybe can last one more maybe not

[light cobalt]

Every server has a server ranking with the strongest heroes/titans. Does anyone know how the rankings are set if two players have the same strength?

Sometimes the places change for no reason, although the strength didn't change at all.

[olive prairie]

I thought the one who reaches it first.

[light cobalt]

Doesn't look like it, because there are several players with maxed titans, and sometimes the ranking changes, although no changes in strength were made.

[chilly fjord]

the player that joined the server last gets first

a few months ago we moved our guild to a new server and all players with maxed titans ranked ahaed of maxed players already on the server, and they got rank in the order they joined the server

[light cobalt]

Thanks, I think that's it. Looks like the higher player ID's get the higher ranking. Same strength plus higher player ID gives you the higher ranking. Checked that on my server, and it's sorted by ID after you reach maximum strength.

[blazing sapphire]

1 million gold treshold completed 😁

[valid quest]

4 seconds. Even fast Lara didn't get 1 shot off. Beat this!

[normal granite]

I play Dungeon without Moloch and Angus.

[shrewd vigil]

How deep have you driven?

[valid quest]

with iris instead of seb i just reached 4s as well. with iris the average is faster, too.

[shrewd vigil]

I suspect a solo turtle would wipe them before anyone does anything since turtles start combat in a whirlwind. Lara is good, and solo lara is quicker than 5th position lara.

[normal granite]

I run just Lara + Keira, usually 6 seconds.

[frank rover]

Do Keira tank they will be dead in less than 4s

[blazing sapphire]

🤨 🔥

seems like my Valkyre exprired in the middle of the battle...

[valid quest]

i used lara + keira before, too. usually 6s. never reached 4s though.

[valid quest]

i tried a lot. may depend on team level as well.
please make a screenshot. 🙂

[frank rover]

I don’t have a strong Keira im working on her now

[blazing sapphire]

It has been a ehile since i last lost Vulcan... Today i lost him after 440 doors. Its the first time i need to figth with 3 fire titans since this stupid debuff came in...

and finally crossed 100.000 ⛏️ 😤

[normal granite]

Im like 74K and hardly find motivation to keep digging. I do usually 675 titanite a day and it is all. 675 titanite is spending all cards in heroes battles + one floor as a bonus.

[blazing sapphire]

i do around 600 doors since this stupid lvl 130 upgrade 😒 ... But as a result, tomorrow, all my titans will be 130 and i will cahs in the stuff from the event without spending a single emerald 😛

then I'll cut back 😅

[normal granite]

My titans are all 130 already.

A had a lot of titans soul coins so I could buy potion.

And still have.

[blazing sapphire]

woooooooooooooooow 🤯

Opened up all my spheres and... All titans at 130 finally 😛 .

[shrewd vigil]

Don't you need like 2,000 spheres for Winterfest? (Probably 200)

[blazing sapphire]

then i fooked up... 🤷‍♀️ . Anyway, i wanted to complete my titans to 130 as fast as possible, so i used them. Btw, as far as i can remember there is no quest with spheres during the Winterfest, but i may be wrong 🤔

[storm fern]

The rewards don't get any better, they actually stay the same, so it becomes a matter of how far do you want to go...

[gritty junco]

Actually, the amount of gold for reaching a new save point increases

So still worth going deeper in this regard

[storm fern]

True... but gold becomes useless at some point, and you end up with these, after "banking" it

[blazing sapphire]

we dont have this on web, i think... 🤔

[storm fern]

You can contact help, and ask them to convert your gold, which is how I got them. In the earlier days of HW, if you accumulated a little over 4.4B gold, the game would crash/reset... not allowing you to do anything.

[slate sandal]

i still have the money there

[shrewd vigil]

Isn't one skull worth 2 billion gold?

[shrewd vigil]

You trade them via support. It was to combat the old gold maximum which has since been raised.

[storm fern]

1 Skull = 100K gold

[frank rover]

can you gift these?

[storm fern]

....not that I am aware of... but I sent in a ticket, to see if it is (by requesting to transfer some to a guildmate), and will let you know once I receive a response....

[small adder]

tf are these i've never seen them before

[small adder]

yeah integer limit

[storm fern]

Nope...

[frank rover]

👍

[jolly narwhal]

got this

[blazing sapphire]

Nice 🙂

Did you get it for emeralds?

[jolly narwhal]

yes lol

but helps the christmas event

[blazing sapphire]

yeah, totems are always nice. I hope, your reward didnt get taken away from you with the bug...

[jolly narwhal]

Don't worry, it did 😅

If you're referring the generosity leaderboard

I'm tryna unlock Asgard

[blazing sapphire]

Unlock Asgard? Then have you just recently started playing?

[jolly narwhal]

yes server is on 3rd week

guild just got gold

[shrewd vigil]

From the dungeon? Very nice. Statistically, someone should be getting one each day, at least one person.

[jolly narwhal]

No, lol I didn't know where to put because I couldn't find valley of the element chat

[gritty junco]

we don't have some for the valley of the elements. I guess general would be the most appropriate

[jolly narwhal]

k

Gabe wanna call later

[blazing sapphire]

maybe #elemental-tournament ?

[jolly narwhal]

ye

[slate sandal]

Please star this

#📝game-discussion message#📝game-discussion message

[severe mural]

Did I just break the counter?

[blazing sapphire]

refresh the page.... The game is counting titanite incorrectly while you are digging

[cedar agate]

its dungeon time

[olive prairie]

Does someone of you knows the maximum health of Moloch in single element fights?

[chilly fjord]

this is from a maxed fight, there is no healing here so looks like 9.145M in health

looks like there are slight variations between maxed fights, here is another one

[olive prairie]

Thank you. Yes there are differences. I'm 25 k away from the maximum opponents and sometimes the last hit from Sigurd vs Moloch needs just 600k from possible 695k. Sometimes it would need like 750k. Moloch's health is like a sinus curve, increasing after every period. But thanks to you I can plan now how much I have to invest to keep them going until I reach the maximum power.

I have an other question. If I want to decrease the damage that my Sigurd receives, I can just level his skin. Or gives his level armor as well?

[chilly fjord]

you cannot decrease any titan's damage once an upgrade is made, the best thing for dungeon is to avoid using their ultimate abilities
for example i never use hyperion's ultimate ability, not even in mixed fights
when it comes to Sigurd's skins those only give health and elemental armor respectively, so no added damage, however the water totem does give damage bonus to all water titans
increasing the level of any titan will increase their damage

[olive prairie]

Ahh. No I mean what can I do that Sigurd gets from a hit 550k instead of 600k. I want to decrease the incoming damage.

[chilly fjord]

ah then you should upgrade his elemental armor (reduces damage from certain element, in this case fire), so either upgrade his 2nd artifact or his champion skin

sometimes it is good to have the fights last longer -> more healing
which is why i misunderstood

[olive prairie]

Ok. I am not sure. In my original language it sounds as if the 2nd artefact just works for defense. So it works in offense situation as well?

[chilly fjord]

elemental damage/armor (regardless if it comes from artifacts or skins) can be a bit hard to understand

elemental damage deals extra damage vs a certain element type, for light/dark they deal double elemental damage on offense

elemental armor gives extra armor vs one element type in all situations, but on defense it also works vs others

[olive prairie]

D/l vs each other? Or against all elements.

[chilly fjord]

elemental damage/armor only work within each of the 2 subgroups, 1) water, fire and earth 2) light and dark
in other words, elemental damage/armor for water, fire and earth only works vs water, fire and earth
in the same way light elemental damage/armor only works vs dark and vice versa

[olive prairie]

Ahh. Thank you very much. Sigurd has higher armor on attack vs Moloch and on defense also vs Angus. So if Angus fights vs Sigurd, Sigurd will get less damage from Angus if he defends.

[chilly fjord]

exactly, that is why it is smart to control matchups
for example any elemental damage/armor on tenebris is completely useless vs water, fire or earth titans
however any elemental armor on water, fire and earth titans are likewise completely useless when defending vs tenebris
this is why so many people think tenebris is so overpowered, they simply do not understand how elemental damage/armor works

[olive ice]

do enemy teams have elemental armor or damage in the dungeon?

[shrewd vigil]

artifacts? no idea.

[olive prairie]

The damage my titans do (water vs fire) is the same if I level nothing.

[olive ice]

Interesting, thank you, but what do you mean by "level nothing" ? Because only your titans' levels could reduce their elemental armor. Conversely, I am pretty sure that rising your first and third artifact would increase your damage

[shrewd vigil]

The implication is that they have no added elemental armor or elemental attack attributes.

[olive ice]

I do not understand how you can deduce that from his ambiguous statement

[shrewd vigil]

The question was posed. Do they have elemental armor etc. he said the damage doesn't change if he upgrades the titans or not. So implies no elemental bonus. I don't know if it is true, that is just what the message was saying.

[olive ice]

If he upgraded his level or third artifact, then his attack power and dmg would change anyway. His first artifact would necessarily affect his dmg against a titan of the enemy element (unless of a higher level). His second artifact would not affect damage of course, since it is defensive. So how does anyone of this proves that enemy titans have neither elemental armor or weapon?

[chilly fjord]

this is a great example that shows how you can ignore the elemental armor of the defending team, 3F+hyp beats maxed 3D+2L on auto

only 480k less in power😁

[olive prairie]

That is really nice.

[cursive gull]

is there a reason you used 4 titans instead of 5? would it have worked with 4f+hyp?

[chilly fjord]

it would have worked with 4F+hyp, but not with 4F+tenebris/solaris (at least on auto), this is where elemental armor comes in, hyp deals a lot more damage than tenebris/solaris in this situation
the reason for only 4 titans is simply because it is more fun😁

same with 3F+tenebris/solaris, they do not work on auto, simply not enough damage

[cursive gull]

oh, is it because the light and dark titans have elemental armor against both light and dark titans when they are on defense? so water/fire/earth are unaffected and elemental damage/armor is inconsequential?

[chilly fjord]

yep, all elemental (water, fire and earth) titans ignore all armor on light/dark titans, and vice versa
this is why many people overestimate tenebris, they see a weak tenebris vs only elemental titans deal a lot of damage without realizing that same tenebris would deal much less damage when facing light/dark titans
do not get me wrong, tenebris/solaris are still great but not as much as many make them out to be

[cursive gull]

oh so tenebris is a beast against elemental teams because there is nothing limiting her damage, but against dark/light, the elemental armor really nerfs her?

[chilly fjord]

yeah, most titans have quite high elemental armor so attacking with titans that are not affected by that armor gives a much higher damage output

[cursive gull]

is it worth levelling up tenebris' weapon (elemental damage) to help counter this? or are the essences better spent elsewhere?

[chilly fjord]

elemental damage only increase damage vs one type, in tenebris case vs light titans
so it does nothing for tenebris when facing water, fire, earth or dark titans, only vs light titans
also the elemental damage of light/dark titans is a little different in that they deal double elemental damage when attacking

[cursive gull]

so is it a little bit too specific? what about the elemental damage for earth/fire/water damage dealers? are they worth it either?

[chilly fjord]

same thing there, increases damage vs one type only
it is still great to have, think it is just important to know how it works
this is why fire is good vs earth and so on, it is in these matchups those upgrades come into play

[cursive gull]

so is elemental armor a better investment? to help defend against a wider range of elements?

[chilly fjord]

lets say you have fire vs earth and no titans have any elemental damage/armor then it really is no advantage either way

[chilly fjord]

elemental armor is generally more useful since it comes into play more often
when attacking elemental armor only works vs one type but when defending it works vs all titans in each sub-group

by sub-group i mean

1. elemental titans (water, fire and earth)
2. light/dark titans

elemental damage only works vs one type regardless if you are attacking or defending

[blazing sapphire]

Yes. Trolling the opponent with 4 titans, manually is fun 😁

[chilly fjord]

agreed, although this time it was an auto win...

[blazing sapphire]

naah... Then its not as much fun 😛

[shrewd vigil]

Did you know? Or did you have to do some testing? Max titans have changed a lot since I was active.

[olive prairie]

I have a question: I face two different mixed teams. In the one team Araji is on position 4, at the other team he is on position 5. I can kill Araji with my charged team (Angus, Avalon, Solaris, Eden, Hyperion) if Araji is on position 4. Now I can't kill him, if he is on position 5, even if I delay my Eden. Why? I mean there are not like 20k damage missing. It's more like 500k.

[stable sparrow]

reinerzufall9499 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[olive prairie]

🤫

[chilly fjord]

very hard to say based on this info, but my guess is that it depends on which of your titans gets the kill on the other titans
every titan gets 30% extra energy for every kill, so if a different titan gets a kill in a specific fight (goes for any titan fight, not just dungeon) then the outcome of the fight will be very different

[olive prairie]

I am not sure if it is this, because I start with all 5 titans charged and Araji can't do a single hit usually (on pos 4).

[chilly fjord]

well, are any of you titans charged after that?
not sure i understand your situation

[olive prairie]

Can be, can be not. I don't use them anymore after that. I just wait for the totem.

[chilly fjord]

also if the titans in front of araji are different then that makes a big difference and you cannot really compare

[olive prairie]

So, my situation in mixed fights is, that I start with those 5 titans charged and use them all one time. Angus, Avalon and Solaris as soon as I can. Hyperion and Eden if Solaris numbs the opponent's team. Depending whether I want to hit the titan at pos 5 I delay Eden a little bit. After that I wait for the totem, so that I can start the next fights with the same conditions (5 titans charged).

[olive prairie]

Why?

[chilly fjord]

the basic attacks of all titans hit the titan in front first, so if the titans in front have more health then it takes more damage to reach araji

[olive prairie]

Ahh. No. I kill Araji with the ultimate abilites of Angus, Solaris, Eden and Hyperion. It's like the opponent titans walk at the center of battle field and before they reach it, I already killed Araji.

[chilly fjord]

ok, to be clear you can kill araji in 4th position but not in 5th?

[olive prairie]

Yes. Just with the ultimate abilities.

[chilly fjord]

hmm, other way around would be easier to explain because hyp's ult deals more damage the further away enemies are

but then i guess it is solaris, her ult deals more damage if your titans take damage

[olive prairie]

Hmm. That could be something I can try. Should be not hard to delay her a little bit.

[olive prairie]

But I had to be really lucky, that she worked all the time if Araji was on pos 4.

[chilly fjord]

also, if you face araji in 5th position then that means your mixed fights are not yet maxed so it could simply be that the enemy is stronger

[olive prairie]

But that much? I mean I miss at least 500k of damage.

[chilly fjord]

that is also a factor, the power the enemy titans are not split evenly so in one fight you could have a weaker araji and in another a stronger

think you should just power through dungeon, no point in getting down to this detail when the fights and your titans are still changing

[olive prairie]

Ooh, that's interesting. I thought they increase constantly.

[chilly fjord]

the team power increases, but the individual power may not follow

[olive prairie]

Thank you. I'll try to delay Solaris to get through this team.

[olive prairie]

It worked with a delayed Solaris.

[olive ice]

Could someone give me the max enemy power in the dungeon please? Especially mixed rooms. I am suspicious about the values on fandom

[chilly fjord]

fandom is correct for titans, +/- a tiny bit in power

[olive ice]

Really? But I reached floor 11k, my mixed rooms are at level 119-120 and only at 350k, while other rooms are only at 90-115. I thought the rooms were maxxed between floors 10k and 20k

[chilly fjord]

no, the power of your enemies increase when you beat that specific room
since you likely beat one specifc room more often than others that will max first, the others will be later
it is common to reach max of ones preferred element at floor 10-20k
also the level of titans are not everything

[olive ice]

But precisely, since the mixed room is the highest one, shouldn't it be nearly maxxed already? Does power keep increasing once all enemies are 120?

[olive prairie]

Right at the end. I crossed 17000 and I am close to max my first room. But till I have all four at max power, I will even cross level 30000.

[chilly fjord]

again titan level is not everything, that enemy titans are level 120 does not mean you reached max power

[olive ice]

And I thought I could soon stop rising three elements at once :/

[olive prairie]

Hehe.
No.

[olive ice]

I had assumed the game was rising everything at once, so at level 120 everything else would be maxxed

[chilly fjord]

no, power increases, sometimes that is in level but othertimes it is in upgrades

[olive ice]

It always frustrated me: squandering my resources over three elements so that I can get more resources. I was so happy it was soon going to be over. Building titans is so slow...

[olive prairie]

Just focus on one element.

[olive ice]

But then no dungeon progression, and my only resources will come from monthly events (and summons done at this time, half of it being necessary to juice up the events). It will be even slower

[olive prairie]

I don't know when I upgraded a fire titan for the last time. And it is doing good. What totem do you have?

[olive ice]

water four stars 121, but my Moloch is only 104, Araji 90, others are 30

[olive prairie]

Hej that's way better than what I have. And I can still do about 300 per day.

[olive ice]

300 titanites per day including valkyrie's favor is not much though ; I am doing 1k a day

so I need Moloch to survive between mixed rooms

[olive prairie]

Excluding valkyries favor.

Say goodbye to that. If you don't spend a lot into totems and titans you can't keep that.

[olive ice]

I don't know, maybe, but I reached floor 11k and I am only a modest spender

[gritty junco]

Hang in there bud. I'm at 19 710 now, and the only maxed rooms are the fire titans

But good news is, the fire titans are indeed becoming easier since hitting that max point 🙂

So there is light at the end of the tunnel!

[verbal yacht]

I reset the battle 5 times
:titan_eden: still pull my :titan_nova: every times 😭

:titan_nova: :titan_eden:

rip titan icon

[olive ice]

Only one maxxed room at 19170?! Not even the mixed rooms? 🤨 😨 This is going to be a long long road, but thank you for the encouragement...

[gritty junco]

Mixed titans are at 615k, so not that far

Maybe in a few months they will be at max too

[olive ice]

And mine at 365k 😛 Congratulations

[olive prairie]

Yep. I once had a team with Aurora and Astaroth at red 2. But with like 55k.

[ionic kiln]

never seen r2 in dungeon or maybe i just dont pay attention

[gritty junco]

one way or another, the hero enemies in Dungeon are a joke

And even if your heroes do get hurt, it's not like for titans

the heroes regain full health before the next battle again lol

[chilly fjord]

sometimes even more than one😉

[ionic kiln]

i bet u got to that lvl without cheating lol

[chilly fjord]

yep, absolutely no cheating for me, grinding for 3 years though

[ionic kiln]

how many hours did u throw away 😭

[chilly fjord]

dungeon is like solitaire, just a relaxing past time

btw it is quite rude accuse someone of cheating without any proof or context

[cursive gull]

well at the same time, it's kind of a compliment because you must be good enough that they think you are cheating

[rigid badger]

he's naughty like that

[ionic kiln]

sorryyy

im just used to ppl cheating their way to high numbers like that

if u did it honestly ignore the hater and move on, good job. but if u didnt then ofc get a life

[normal granite]

It is nothing about to be good, rather patient. I am like 73K level in Dungeon after 3 years, so I know it is not problem to achieve levels like @chilly fjord. It's just a matter of being willing to put in the time.

[blazing sapphire]

yeah... But we are limited since Nexter$ introduced that stupid healing reduction 😒 . Healing is cut in half after 600 doors, and i'm still unable to figure a way to reach 700

[blazing sapphire]

115K is not crazy high, i see absolutely no reason to call "cheating". I myself did about 180K levels (on different accounts added up) all by hand. Its perfectly possible if you invest some time and have a full star water totem.

[normal granite]

Yeah, I know. For me, 600 doors is much more than I am willing to do dailly. I only saw that limit the very first day when there was a bug and the limit was like 10x lower 😄

[blazing sapphire]

yeah, that was crazy... You should read back starboard from that day 😄

[normal granite]

Our server (88)

[normal granite]

I remember it, I was the very first who iniciated the discusion 😄

[blazing sapphire]

I stopped Dungeon during my second pragnancy. To be honest, i might have never reached lvl 100K on my Zsofi account if Nexter$ hadnt introduced these stupid lvl 130 titans and stuff... Then i did 600 doors / day for 6-8 weeks to make all my titans 130. But it's done now without spending a single emerald 😁

s19

[slate sandal]

Server 15

[vernal crystal]

yay I gave my guild 5 spheres 😄

[ionic kiln]

some time indeed ig, mb. i misspoke

[cursive gull]

570... I'm too lazy to do 76... I get only 75 from prestige 😦

[gritty junco]

you should try for 76, bare minimum.

You can probly get that from just using divination cards

And you get 2 spheres for yourself. And you suport your guildmates

[blazing sapphire]

You get 90 by using up 20 free cards. So thats 165 in total with prestige, without valkyre

[sleek crest]

first of all - you don't get anything for using cards - they only allow to skip watching combat comleted in auto mode, so you still need titans strong enough to clear those doors

[tropic sigil]

What is that max point for fire titans?

[tropic sigil]

Where do you find these figures?

[gritty junco]

https://hero-wars.fandom.com/wiki/Guild/Dungeon

[tropic sigil]

My English is poor. Is the power of the strongest enemy team (not mixed) 396130?

[gritty junco]

yes

[tropic sigil]

Wiki said 2600 battles are needed. If I played 20 rooms a day, I need 2600/20/365 = 0.356 years to the maximum point. Am I right?

[gritty junco]

it's highly variable

[chilly fjord]

that is an estimate, and it is 2600 battles for each type of room
so 2600 mixed fights, 2600 water fights and so on

in terms of dungeon level you are likely reaching your first maxed out room (often your strongest element) at around level 15k, then the last at about 25-30k

[tropic sigil]

I have played for 4 years and now at 18189. The power of all enemy teams still climb up though slowly.

[chilly fjord]

then you likely fight the different rooms in equal amount
the reason i said first at 15k and last at 25-30k is because most player favor one type of fight and since the power increase is determined by the number of times you fight that room then you will reach max power quicker for that type
sure with perfectly equal fight you may not reach max for any room until level 20-25k

[cursive gull]

yes, I'm very shallow in the dungeon so I only get 5 cards from prestige and another 5 from being 100 doors in

[blazing sapphire]

Aaaah, i see...

[blazing sapphire]

Finally made it to 75% healing reduction 🤪

[olive ice]

Eden, forcing you to retry since 1919. Again, and again, and again...

[fluid elk]

The Original RNG Pony

[tough carbon]

Hi

[chilly fjord]

not that much worry in dungeon, can always use nova to block pulldown😉

[olive ice]

The burial? You can block it? Oooh, I didn't know, thank you! But if you do that, then you cannot stun his ult, and my titans are too weak to take that 😛

[chilly fjord]

if you time it right then nova will have time to charge up and block eden's ult as well, in other words you do not need to worry about rng in dungeon if you know how to play manually😁

too bad we cannot copy replays from dungeon, otherwise i could show you

[olive ice]

Interesting, thank you, I will try it tomorrow, this could be a great time-saver!

[chilly fjord]

still, a certain power may be required, at max you can block both pulldown and ult in all scenarios
might not be the same at lower power

[frank rover]

or open summoning spheres and skip the dungeon 😂

[gritty junco]

Firstly, this is a gift for the HW App (not Web/Facebook). Secondly for the French chat, please checkout this post #✍get-roles message

[valid quest]

btw this titan level increase turned out much better than expected. can counter same 130 teams with a 120 team which i could counter when they were 120.
And i can even heal up angus in the dungeon again! 🙂

[light cobalt]

Please don't cheer too much here, you know what will happen otherwise 🥴 .

[olive ice]

before levels were raised to 130, how many fights could a maxxed fire team do in a row without any heal?

[light cobalt]

I'd say four, maybe five, but then there wouldn't have been much left to save or heal, because at least two fire titans would have died. The tank might have survived three fights, died in fourth, and the rest of the team could win another fight.

[olive prairie]

To be repeated endlessly. I'm sure I won't touch those 4 titans for the next months or even years. Let's see,

[normal granite]

I play Dungeon without Moloch, no problem.

^^

[slate sandal]

please a star 😄

#📝game-discussion message

[olive ice]

What floor are you at and how many rooms can you fight with this team before healing?

[olive prairie]

His opponents are max power.

[normal granite]

I play without Angus as well. Vulcan and Avalon are much easier for healing than Moloch and Angus. In first fight this team survives one fight, in other fights - when charged - one or two. My strongest titans are earth, so fire only fights are very rare, no problem to heal in mixed fights.

My titans after 700 titanite gained.

[olive ice]

I see, thank you. I have done the opposite: fire is my strongest team because I find Moloch easier to heal than Angus, so I need to survive three fights with them

[normal granite]

Yeah, thanks to his stunning, Moloch is easier to heal than Angus. And ofc, everyone has their own way which fits for them 🙂

[blazing sapphire]

Is there anyone who managed to reach 800 doors since they introduced this debuff bullsh!t? 😅

[light cobalt]

I don't have enough time to do 800 doors and I guess I didn't finish more than 550 or so on a single day.

[blazing sapphire]

Managed to reach this again + did 20 more doors, so 720 doors in total 😁 . But now Sigurd, Moloch and Vulcan are dead, so need to stop now.. 😒

@chilly fjord @normal granite whats you firthest you could go since this stupid debuff was introduced?

[chilly fjord]

have not bothered past 75% and that was before the level 130 update

the long term dungeon cheaters are still getting around 4.5k titanite/day so it does not look like the script can get much past 75% debuff

[blazing sapphire]

Yeah.. 700 doors is 4.455 and thats also possible with hand, so...

[normal granite]

I don't have the patience or motivation to play Dungeon for very long. I think I reached 100% on that first day when the bug made the limit 10x lower. But Im not sure though.

[dapper snow]

What level are your titans to be able to reach the 75% energy debuff? Just want to get an idea of where i need to be to reach that stage....currently my water team is around 700K and earth/fire around 400K. totems all 6* but not yet 120 on few

[blazing sapphire]

it doesnt depend on how deep you are or how strong your titans / totems are.

It depends on how many doors you do a day.

75% debuff is reached after you do 700 doors on a day.

[dapper snow]

yes i know that...what i meant was to be able to do 700 doors how much titan / totem power is needed....i am able to do only 100 doors a day playing manually with my team whose power i have mentioned above already

[blazing sapphire]

well, the most important is the water totem, because you need to maintain the health of your titans with constant healing. You also need strong tanks and supers (Earth, Fire and Water).

Though some people play without Moloch and Angus, but i dont know how they do it 😅

[chilly fjord]

doubt they have reached the power cap, very doable before the power gets too high

feels like that is a disclaimer for any dungeon comment, "what power are you facing" or "are we talking max situation"

[normal granite]

Believe me, really no problem 🙂

[chilly fjord]

well then how many fire fights can vulcan tank before he needs healing
think the point is not using angus/moloch long term, of course avalon and vulcan can tank some fights

here is a before and after fire fight without moloch in a maxed scenario, yes it works but in next fire fight vulcan is dead so you really rely on getting frequent mixed rooms

[normal granite]

https://h-w.fun/en/guild-dungeon/?amp=1#rtoc-35

[chilly fjord]

yeah that looks like strategies for non-maxed situations, which is why i pointed out that these comments need context
think @blazing sapphire was referring to maxed fights and then it is much different than dungeon level 5-15k

[normal granite]

I thought you remembered me from ToE thread. I am really not a greenhorn, dungeon lvl like 75K 😉

[chilly fjord]

i know you are deeper in dungeon, was saying that the guide in that link was for dungeon strategies below level 15k, so very different
again as i said above we need context when discussing strategies because i am still not sure we are discussing the same situations
so if you have a way of fighting hundreds of floors at the maxed power without using angus/moloch then please elaborate

[normal granite]

Thats exactly what I do. Not hundreds bc it is not fun for me, but 100 floors is like 1000 floors, no diference. You can see, Moloch and Angus not charged, bc not used. Here #dungeon message All other titans in perfect health.

[normal granite]

My strongest are green. This means that the first battle on the floor is always green (or mixed). Two-color battles at about 95% offer a water element that is self-healing.
Avalon on tank position survives about 5 battles, Eden is only damaged very slowly and Sylva not at all. Vulcan on tank position survives 1 to 2 battles, but pure fire battles are very rare in my case, say one battle on average per 5 floors.
Avalon and Vulcan heal very well, just an occasional mixed battle and no problem. If I get into serious trouble, of course I always have Moloch and Angus available, but I haven't used them for several months in a row.
Is that explanation enough for you?

And I'm certainly not saying it's the best way or that it's suitable for everyone. But it's the way I prefer it, and that's the way I do it.

[normal granite]

After 675 titanite, fires not used even once (not charged).

[olive ice]

Best moment of the dungeon

[halcyon dust]

real

[olive prairie]

I want to upgrade Moloch and Rigel just for using them in the dungeon. My question is, should I upgrade their third artefact for health or their level?

[blazing sapphire]

yes, i think, you should

[olive prairie]

?

[blazing sapphire]

both. Third artifact and level too

[olive prairie]

And if I have to choose?

[blazing sapphire]

hm... Artifact maybe.. 🤔

[olive prairie]

Okay, thank you

[olive ice]

The hp gain per level is constant, so raising the level for hp is only interesting when the level is low. Otherwise the only point is to keep your elemental armor effective by having your level at least as high as theirs, so consider whether you have enough armor to justify it - but eventually you will want it for Moloch. As for Rigel, he is useless for serious farming since you need to use mixed rooms to heal one titan at a time, so you want a water totem + four water titans + the one to heal.

[olive prairie]

My main is nature and I have to do mixed rooms with nature. Especially if the first fight is mixed one, it could be a benefit to have Rigel (I also have a one star light totem), for dungeon and pvp fights.

[olive ice]

So your strategy is to do as many doors as possible without healing? Out of curiosity, how many doors can you go through like this?

[olive prairie]

Well, if the first one is no mixed fight I can go up to 400 titanite (75 from prestige added).

[olive ice]

Ok, that is not as bad as I thought. I do not like earth and it is hard to heal, but it is sturdy for sure

[olive prairie]

Solaris and Hyperion give quite a lot.

[olive ice]

I would not say a lot, but if your titans are overpowered enough...

I am wading through the 12kth floor with a 200k fire team. This is a fight - a fight!

[olive prairie]

Well, I am 17500 and the difference in mixed fights is lower than 100k. It's just using good strategies to avoid damage for Angus and to maximize the healing potential of those both titans.

Like using the totem at exactly the moment, if one titan is stunned by Eden to kill the other titan. If Hyperion's and Solaris' basic attack than hit nothing they will heal twice.

And since Eden is involved in at least every second fight it needs a lot of patience that he pulls the right titan.

[olive ice]

Hyperion and Solaris heal twice if they hit nothing? And, yes, Eden can be really annoying! 😄

[olive prairie]

Yes, or not. Depend on how you understood it. They heal regularly at the begin of the fight and than they both have a cooldown time. But the fight is shorter than the cooldown time. But somehow they heal, if they couldn't hit a target. You can also watch that in pvp battles if only two or even one titan is left on the opponents side and Eden pulls on of them. Even if the titans have no target, they use their basic attack. And that somehow influences the skill cooldown time.

[olive ice]

Ok, I see what you mean, I can now lower that eyebrow

I mean I was a tad skeptical 😉

[vernal crystal]

Help I have really bad senioritis symptoms right now

[olive ice]

Fixed.

[olive ice]

Yesterday I saw a stream where the player started his day with a maxxed mixed room and Sigurd did not have the time to raise his shield. I remember his Sigurd was strong but not how much. Is it also your experience, for those of you attacking maxxed mixed rooms with water teams?

[gritty junco]

Disclaimer: My mixed titans are ~45k off of max.

My Sigurd will put up his shield. But often, if the 1st room is mixed (so my water titans don't have time to charge up), Sigurd will die in the 1st fight.

In any case, it makes it REALLY hard for me to complete the 150 titanite afterwards

[olive ice]

Ouch, ok, thank you. Can you tell me whether your totem is well developed (since dmg affects the duration of the fight and the dmg received)?

[gritty junco]

3* lvl 130.
Whether you consider that 'well-developed', I leave up to you 😆

[olive ice]

It gives me a small hope, but something tells me in those circumstances I will also feel pain

[dapper snow]

What i do in case I get the mixed room first is to start with all four water team with either solaris or iyari. with 4 water, the totem charges faster, solaris increases the max health and current of all team by 6.7% or iyari can start healing the weakest titan once she is charged

[olive prairie]

I would try to make a dark Light team.

[olive ice]

Interesting, and Solaris can ult before Sigurd dies and make a difference?

[gritty junco]

Unfortunately my Light titans are still the weakest :/

[blazing sapphire]

i think, we can call it a day now 😁 . Zsofi goes to sleep.

[dapper snow]

Solaris ult is separate...this is its second skill

[light cobalt]

You should load up Iyari to get some emergency healing in mixed fights. Solaris' healing is not based on the ult.

[olive ice]

Ah! Indeed, 4s initial cooldown, and every 24s after that. Great, thank you!

[olive ice]

I proposed to reduce Eden's frequency in the dungeon. Star me up: #📝game-discussion message

[olive prairie]

No. It would be better, if you could choose his pull before the fight.

[hybrid isle]

My question may sound very stupid, but is there any pattern through which i can determine what element will i go against in next dungeon levels ?

[olive prairie]

A bit

[olive prairie]

@blazing sapphire You once posted a video here, where you showed how to get 1000 titanite in dungeon, if every elemental titan is maxed. Could you send the link to it again and allow me, to give it to a guild mate? He does not understand my explanations, maybe it is better, if he sees it. Thank you

[blazing sapphire]

well... I can, but since then MAXED has changed a lot. Those titans are all at lvl 120 and only the tanks have Champion skins.

but here you go 🙂 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du5BBHmdwe0&t=19s

[olive prairie]

I think that does not matter. He just doesn't get to not use the tanks at all.

Oh wait! You play with tanks?

[blazing sapphire]

Yes, i do... I think @normal granite and @chilly fjord dont use tanks...

[olive prairie]

Yes, that's easier for him I would say because it needs less manual effort.

Than I search for a video that shows this.

[blazing sapphire]

well... I cant comment on that i never played without tank...

[olive prairie]

It is probably a bit illegal but we received an account with pretty strong titans and we need to play dungeon to be able to max out the fire and light titans. The problem is that I know how to do more than 3k a day but I have no time. He seems to have a lot time, but he constantly manages it to run out of titans after like 300 - 500 titanite.

And from what I saw he tried to heal the tanks, what requires a bit more skill, because the tank also gets damage in the mixed fights (what Avalon and Vulcan never do)

[olive ice]

I used to play without Moloch, but at some point it ceased to be viable despite significant overlevelling

[chilly fjord]

i always use tanks😁
think it is more a matter of habit
without tanks you rely more on getting mixed room more frequently
with tanks you can go 50 doors without any mixed rooms

think the point is that it is easier to heal avalon/vulcan than tanks but to me tanks are very easy to heal as well so why not use them

[normal granite]

Yes, that's me playing without tanks. It suits me just fine.

A little bit above ^^ I describe why and how.

[olive ice]

I fully agree with that, and Moloch is actually pretty easy to heal imp. Only Angus is troublesome, so the solution is to avoid earth

[chilly fjord]

angus is easy if you can play manually, just a matter of learning which executions work

[dapper snow]

To heal Angus have him paired with Mort. Use both their ults at same time and he heals much faster

[olive ice]

Interesting, I will remember that, thank you

[olive ice]

I do not think it is true: in a mixed room he will be the second tank and exposed to direct damage, while he has no mitigation tool, as opposed to Moloch. It seems inevitable to me that be more difficult to heal than Moloch - albeit Herogal's technique is promising

[severe mural]

So... Sigurd in front with Angus, then the rest of waters.
If Angus fully charged at the start of the mixed battle, ult him 1 step before he reaches his position (ie. the moment enemy Moloch knocks his mallet to the ground second time), this way angus won't be in incoming damage range for 2 rounds of attacks (= during his ult).

[olive ice]

Ok, I see your point, thank you. I admit alas that my teams are too weak to deal enough dmg in two rounds, and that it is better for me at this point to play the earth rooms on auto (to see all possible outcomes) - so no ult at the start of a mixed room. But it is a good tip

[chilly fjord]

yeah, this is what i meant with learning to execute the manual play
you always get more healing if you go 4 waters + tank rather than 3 waters + tank+ X
once you learn how to play manually with angus/moloch there should be no reason to invole any light/dark titan in dungeon
also i would not recommend ulting angus unless necessary, the damage he takes from moloch is quickly regained from the superior healing when using 4 water titans (faster and more water totem)
this all assumes you have a maxed water totem, if not then dungeon becomes a completely different discussion

[dapper snow]

Sounds great will try this...but for me I usually go in mixed rooms with three water (sigurd+hyperion and one other) plus iyari or mort or solaris and lastly one titan that needs healing

[olive ice]

I play with 4w and I am comfortable playing manually, you misunderstood me and you assume incorretly: earth always involve randomness, and with weak teams controlling this randomness is crucial, yet time-consuming.

Therefore, it is better to use the auto mode in this case because you can at least decide the outcome by closing-reopening the window ; hence why my earth rooms are played in auto, which prevents me to save their energy for the next fight.

Anyway my 75k Angus does not do enough dmg to do anything meaningful in two rounds of a 500k mixed room. He just sits there and take big hits from the second enemy titan, much more powerful than him. Your advice is good, but not applicable to me in any foreseeable term as earth will remain my weak link for a long time

[chilly fjord]

you are right that i misunderstood you, thought you had reached the point were enemy power capped out
any dungeon discussion needs context of how developed ones titans are, at the capped stage the situation is the same between player, just ask @blazing sapphire
discussing dungeon strategy for individual titan situation is very difficult and will be different for each ones situation
my point is that ones you reach the capped out stage then you can manually block all eden pulldowns in all mixed rooms (so no randomness to care about) and the superior healing comes from using 4 water titans

[olive ice]

Mixed rooms are played manually: the earth rooms are the ones I must play on auto

[normal granite]

My point is that once you reach the capped out stage then you can play (almost, well, new restriction) infinitely on auto and it is almost impossible to let to die your own titans (slight exaggeration).

[dapper snow]

Not sure how you do this inifinite dungeon battles at capped out stage.....i have reached the capped out stage but none of the titan elements are fully maxxed....water is strongest but earth and fire still some more to go....i am only able to do around 8-10 floors daily before earth / fire die

[normal granite]

Is your water totem full star?

If so, you should have no problem to heal your earths/fires.

[dapper snow]

yes totem is 6* 130 but if I get 4 earth or fire in row before mixed then they the tank dies in the 4th one after that another two or three with only 3 titan teams

total earth strength is 525K and fire is 475K so I guess need to build up these some more to say around 625-650K

[normal granite]

Exactly! Thats why I play without tanks.

[blazing sapphire]

Trying a new idea to save Angus. With 25% debuff already....

and it worked, lol 😄

Looks much better 😁 . Last figth before entering 50% territory

[normal granite]

Thats also why it is not good to have water as the strongest element. It's also good to pay attention to energy in water battles in addition to health. Ideally, your water battles should end like this.

[blazing sapphire]

Or Nova just one tick short of full energy.

If Nova ults rigth away, she only stuns the last-in-line titan. If she ults after a basic attack, she also stuns Araji

[olive ice]

He was talking about surviving four fire rooms in a row ; you will not survivre four rooms in a row, will you?

[olive ice]

You mean she must not ult while titans are still moving at the start of the battle, don't you?

[blazing sapphire]

Yes.

or rather, i mean thats how i do it, i prefer to stun Araji as well in mixed or Fire battles, not only the last titan.

[olive ice]

Whatever I do, this damn dungeon raises its power faster than myself...

[normal granite]

Well, I see, that reaction was not correct. My strongest element is earth, so "fire solo" battles are very very rare in my case. In most cases 0 or 1 battle in a day.

[olive ice]

And how many earth rooms can you survive in a row?

[normal granite]

Without Angus? 4 or 5. Ofc the very first battle with non-charged titans takes Avalon more health than next ones.

[olive ice]

You do not use Angus either? And you still survive four or five earth rooms without losing titans, with Avalon as your tank?! Also, do you need to warm-up Vulcan before he can survive a fire room?

[normal granite]

My titans after 675 titanite digged. You can see Moloch and Angus are not charged (means not used). Yes, Avalon tank can survive at least 4 battles, rather 5. On second screenshot you can see Avalon after 1 battle.

And Vulcan can survive 1 battle, no warming up needed.

[olive ice]

Damn, I wish I had know earlier that Avalontank could hold that well, this is certainly easier to heal. Thank you very much

[normal granite]

Wait a minute, I fight an earth battle and give you info screen.

[olive ice]

Thanks again, this is very interesting: they dealt 8M+ dmg, but you only suffered 3M thanks to the shield. Is there a catch, such a need to retry earth battle, or can you farm them semi-brainlessly?

[normal granite]

I deliberately didn't heal her, this is what she looks like after 4 battles. I'll try the fifth.

There is no catch, a play it on auto.

Well, the 5th battle was too much, she would die 🙂

[olive ice]

Ok, great then: since Earth is my weakest element, strengthening Avalon will be easier than Moloch. I will give it a try. I notice though that the totem absorbed 2M, I wonder if it is doable without it. Seems like Avalon could not handle more than two fights without that

[normal granite]

And after one wellness with waters 🙂

It's gonna be tough without a totem.

[dapper snow]

yes currently all my water battles end like this...its only the fire / earth battles that I was looking to master.....

you have given good pointers to use 3 titan teams to survive deeper daily....now need to strengthen earth / fire to reach where you are now

btw today was by first time reaching 22 floors and getting 1515 titanite

[blazing sapphire]

for me, this is perfect. Nova a little bit short of energy, everything else full 🙂

[normal granite]

Well, it is super-perfect 🙂 But not so easy to achieve.

[blazing sapphire]

indeed 😅 .

especially not in the 50% territory

[blazing sapphire]

well... Today i bled out after 750 doors. Pretty much my most so far 😁

[vernal crystal]

I've never gotten that far..... I always quit due to lack of time before I actually die 😛

So I've never seen the healing debuff

[olive ice]

Everyone advises f2p players to get a water totem, so this is what I did when I was f2p. I later come to regret this choice: I would have never farmed the dungeon and my total resources would have been smaller, but I would have been able to focus on a single good team with a better element, and I would probably still have been able to do 150 at least titanites a day. What do you think? Should we stop advising f2p to go for water teams?

[olive prairie]

I am really fine with my nature totem (also in pvp). But I got a 1* water totem and the maximum water fire rooms are +- 0 health for Sigurd with the totem. So I am not sure if I count.

[olive ice]

I do not think this is relevant since the advice I would provide would imply to forego the dungeon (aside of some minimum daily titanite), but I am surprised and interested to learn a single star water totem is enough to prevent Sigurd to lose hp in maxed water rooms

[olive prairie]

Yes it is possible.

Also not to strong. Totem is at 86.

[olive prairie]

@olive ice

[olive ice]

And your team is not even maxed? Water rooms are pretty chill

[olive prairie]

No, timing is kind of hard. I need still approximately two tries until I get it (especially after the first fight when Sigurd is really low on health)

[olive ice]

Ok, thank you, it will help me convince myself investing in that water team was not a total waste 😉

[olive prairie]

Just try to avoid as much damage as possible. Than you'll find a strategy.

[olive ice]

Water rooms are easy, the problem is everything else, but let's save this discussion. I just regret coming to realize way too late that the dungeon is not a way to grow my titans, but rather a resource sink that forced me to invest in directions counter-productive for pvp

[olive prairie]

Well the gold is good.

[olive ice]

Yes, but not enough to cover for the fact that I have to raise three elements at once (ok, 2.5)

Rather than having a 300k water + 300k fire team + 200k earth team, I could have had a 500k fire or light team

But at least I will soon get a frame - yay 🙄

[plain marlin]

the water rooms that he faces aint maxed tho 🤔

[olive prairie]

They are. If you mean mine.

[plain marlin]

show me one please 🙂

[olive prairie]

That's too late for today

Ahh I found one

[olive prairie]

@plain marlin

[plain marlin]

👌

u didnt read what i wrote i hope 😛

[olive prairie]

I did. No worries 🙃

[plain marlin]

🫠 so embarrassing

but yes funny that even a 1 * totem with small titans can do such a nice job vs max in dungeon

[olive ice]

Btw, how do you heal in the mixed rooms? Sorry if I already asked you, but I asked so many people those last weeks I sometimes confuse them

[dapper snow]

for mixed room healing, you should have water totem of decent strength, additionally (or if you dont have water totem) build your hyperion, iyari and Mort for healing.

in the mixed room, you your healers and add the titan that needs healing

[olive ice]

I am asking Reiner because he only has a one-star water totem and relies mostly on earth

[olive prairie]

Solaris + Hyperion. If I have a good mixed team first this can survive 3 or 4 fights and one with Solaris as tank. I also did a bit dungeon with a maxed account and it seems that maxed mix rooms just contain water based teams with Sylva in every team. Sometimes with also nature and fire titans but at least two water titans per teams. So, probably my strategy will also work vs maxed mix rooms.

[olive ice]

I see: you let your titans progressively whither and stop after a few floors? Guess it is the limit with a one-star totem

[olive prairie]

I do as much as I can and stop if I can't do the next floor

[vernal crystal]

🥳

[olive ice]

Congratulations! Can you please tell us about your titans power and totems?

[timber jolt]

👍

[vernal crystal]

5 star 130 water totem (that's all I need to say )

[timber jolt]

5 star 130 and i always thought you were f2p

[vernal crystal]

I am

I got the first 2 from BLP, one from some emerald RNG, one from the dungeon, and one from Turtles event

it was insane

Even though I've been gifted 2 totems those are earth and light so they don't count towards the water one lol

[timber jolt]

its the lvl not the stars, lvl 130 is not nothing as a f2p

[vernal crystal]

I just spent emeralds 🤷‍♀️ I get tons from the island maps and arena

I've also been a champion in GW for nearly all my play time

[olive ice]

I only discovered recently how much it is profitable

[olive ice]

Thank you for the answer, but it would help if you could give me more details please. I am currently at 13k with a four-stars water totem, but I am struggling because my titans are so weak (water < 300k, fire < 300k, earth < 150k)

[gritty junco]

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[valid quest]

delete the i* word post please!

[gritty junco]

why would we have any respect for scammers?

[valid quest]

we dont. but by using a word like this as an expletive for some other person which you dont like for their beavior, you devalue the existence of people which are intellectually challenged.

and while its always okay to judge people for their behavior it is not okay to judge people for their very existence.

[gritty junco]

fine. I would have used a different insult, but that's censored here unfortunately

[vernal crystal]

Yeah, your titan power is a lot lower than mine, but level 13k is really impressive 🙂

This is my usual attack team in GW and CoW for titans

(Sometimes I use 4w tenebris)

Sigurd and Hyperion are the strongest water titans by far

These are weak, but the level 80 1 star earth totem is a lifesaver and Araji is strong enough that he can survive several levels with just him and ignis

[blazing sapphire]

@night charm @fresh yoke i think, it would be high time to increase titan rewards in the game (I mean especially Dungeon and ToE rewards). When i started the game, we had to feed only 12 titans, 24 artifacts (not counting the seals) and only up to lvl 120. NOW there are 20 titans, meaning 40 artifacts and not to lvl 120, but lvl 130.
This is quite a massive increase while on the other hand, rewards in Dungeon and ToE are still the same... So i would recommend increasing (lets say, doubling) all Dungeon rewards and introduce more stages, maybe up to 10 in ToE, so we can get more essences.

Just saying that doing 100 doors in the Dungeon gives 6.500 potions. So doing 600 doors a day before the debuff increases to 50% which makes it a pain in the @$$ to continue, gives 39.000 potions. So it takes 82 days of massive mining just to feed up all titans from 120 to 130. This really puts a trial even on hardcore Dungeon maniacs like myself... And here i'm not including levels between 0 and 120... So please, make our lives a bit easier and increase those rewards.

[gritty junco]

why don't you add this into the 1st post, so they land on the starboard together?

[blazing sapphire]

done 🙂 🍻

[olive ice]

Oh ok, thank you very much, this must indeed be more comfortable than my own experience of the dungeon -_-

[olive ice]

I also think the ToE should give more progressive rewards to the lower positions, not start increasing on 1k - even if small. A sort of encouragment

[blazing sapphire]

You mean, more cards?

[olive ice]

No, I am talking about the torunament of elements: positions 100k, 10k and 1k get the same rewards, but the 1k seems out of reach for a beginner

[blazing sapphire]

Ah, yes, very true

[olive ice]

Very interesting because I initially only had Araji and it failed, and later I grew Moloch way beyond Araji. Your team seems to suggest that even a weak Moloch can suffice. Do you use both teams, earth and fire, equally? How many fights can you survive with those two teams, before you heal them?

[near socket]

does dungeon has maximum level?

[slate sandal]

no

[near socket]

so it is just a routine repeating by itself? What is the objectives?

[slate sandal]

Collecting money to strengthen Titans/Heroes

[near socket]

how to get to more level? any tips?

[slate sandal]

The water totem helped me a lot back then. The titan fights get harder up to about level 23k, but then not any more. From then on it's routine and always the same.

Of course there are ups and downs, but it always goes on! Your heroes/titans also get stronger over time.

[near socket]

i day i can only get around 20 level. is it consider normal?

[slate sandal]

Depending on how strong you are, yes. Others can do hundreds, but you need stronger Titans for that. But that comes with age.

I've already reached level 200k in the dungeon, but with max titans! Basically, I think you can say that once you've reached level 100k, you never have to worry about gold again.

But that need time and i play this game over 4 years

[near socket]

What team should i build for titan?

i got 5 super titan at level 80-100. Which ones should focus on?

[olive prairie]

The question is: What's your totem?

[near socket]

I got Water and earth totem.

[olive prairie]

How much stars?

[near socket]

Water - 2, earth -1

[blazing sapphire]

For the Dungeon you should focus on water. Tank first, then super titan.

• you should also feed the other 2 tanks, Moloch and Angus

[olive ice]

The trick is to use a four water team in mixed rooms to heal a fire or earth titan. Four water titans allow faster activation of the totem. And Zsofi is right to tell you to focus on the three tanks

[olive ice]

One important thing: focusing on the dungeon is both rewarding and costly. You earn more resources, but you have to spread them among three teams, and you need to focus on water, the worst of the three elements.

So it takes a long time before it pays off - six to twelve months to recoup what you invested in other titans than the ones you wanted to build. And then there are the totem fragments you will never get back, while some players only get one fragment a year, sometimes less. Expect maybe four affordable absolute spheres this year (17€ each, during new hero events)

[olive ice]

How do you personally deal with this combination? It keeps causing me trouble those last days because my Mairi and Nova are so low, so Angus easily kills them

[blazing sapphire]

Water + Moloch. Make sure Moloch has almost full energy, so he can punch both enemy tanks

Wait... There are 3 tanks??? 👀👀

[olive ice]

Yep, three tanks. 🙂 And Moloch cannot stun Angus alas. My best bet so far is to use Araji to shoot down the first two fast enough, but it ends up at best with Nova and Mairi only having an inch of hair of health left, despite keeping Mairi's debuff for the circumstance. If things come to worse I try to use Eden

I keep getting this comp since a few days

[olive prairie]

Eden. You have two ways I believe. He pulls Angus or he pulls Sylva. Both may help you. Sylva can be the best option.

[olive ice]

Sylva does not do much dmg, and I can stun her with Nova. So, yes, sometimes I go with Eden and wait for him to pull Angus under, but my Eden is weak so killing the first two tanks fast enough is precarious

[olive prairie]

I mean if Eden pulls Sylva than Nova probably stuns Angus.

[olive ice]

Oh! I never realized such a move was possible, but it makes sense. Thank you, can't wait to try this!

[olive prairie]

I just noticed it, when I played with a maxed account. I used 4 water and Avalon. Opponent's Eden pulled Hyperion and Nova stunned Avalon. When Eden pulled Sigurd or Nova just Mairi and Hyperion were stunned.

[olive ice]

I just got another instance of this comp, alas Avalon (instead of Sylva) was back up too quickly. Too bad, yet I learned an interesting move

[near socket]

How long does it takes to get Titan to level 130 for f2p players?

[bleak rover]

Just one?

[near socket]

5 in a team

[bleak rover]

Well, one would roughly take a 1-2 years if you're in a low-titanite achieving guild.

Other than that, I'm not too sure.

[near socket]

how to be high-titanite achieving? So far I can do around 20 dungeon matches in a day

[bleak rover]

No, a guild in general getting 7500 daily titanite is what I mean.

[olive ice]

I have 10 active months under the belt and my highest titans are 122-118-102-90-84-72-72-30. I spend a bit, my guild gets the max daily titanite, and I farm the dungeon more than most (floor 14k, 650 titanite per day on average this week). That being said I used events to purchase other titan resources than potions, so others have higher levels than me

[near socket]

Been playing for 11 months. my super titans are 100-83-80-80-75 and others 90-80-72. Only achieve floor 4k, 477 titanite per day. How to get so high floor?

Am I not playing right?

[fluid elk]

I built the main team that I have totems for

and let the other lag

[timber tendon]

Why do they put quests like use titans of a certain type six times in the golden ticket? I've already lost xp twice! I don't have to buy that ticket!

[olive ice]

I have a four-stars water totem, level 128 (main destination for emeralds). In mixed rooms I use four water titans to hasten the totem, and an earth/fire titan to heal, usually Moloch or Araji. My room priority is water > fire > earth because Angus is troublesome to heal.

[near socket]

My water titan is 90-80-75-50 4 star with hiperion 5 star and 2 star water totem. But still not perform as well.

Level 128 would require much potion

I am using hiperion to heal others too in mixed room

I am using same priority too water- fire and earth

[olive ice]

Hyperion can only heal a little bit in comparison to the totem however. Going far in the dungeon requires a strong water tank and a good totem, this may not be a good strategy is water is not your main element

[near socket]

So i need to continue to pump hiperion from 80 to 120?

Actually i am trying to use tenubris as main

[olive ice]

If you want to focus on the dungeon, yes, even level 123 I would suggest, to reduce elemental damage. But I suggest you first read #dungeon message and #dungeon message

[near socket]

Thank you for the advise bro

[olive ice]

You're welcome 🙂

Oh ! And Sigurd is the one who must be pumped to 123, not Hyperion, who is much less important

[near socket]

Have to find a balancing between guild war and dungeon. Not sure how.

[ancient owl]

Dungeon is personal improvement, gw is more of a sacrifice tbh...

[olive ice]

I would like to know how many hours of my life have been wasted by Eden...

[near socket]

Improving on? Seems to me just a recursive farming activities. And GW sacrifice on?

[slate sandal]

simple ... every 50 stages about 12-15 minuets ... you maybe at the start, let's say 15 minuets ... how deep do you go?