dungeon

[tough carbon]

idk

[rotund phoenix]

bru thats so lucky. My first one took forever(araji)

and then the second guess what it was

(from the spheres)

[tough carbon]

i got 2 in a month

[rotund phoenix]

rlly?

[tough carbon]

yeah so i got all 3 in like 2 months

[rotund phoenix]

wow

[tough carbon]

Hyporion from 1st sphere i opened

[rotund phoenix]

nice

[tough carbon]

Araji and Eden from a random 20 opens

[rotund phoenix]

wha-

wow

[tough carbon]

the 3rd time I opned artifact chest I got grand priz

[rotund phoenix]

bru

u the luckiest person eva

[tough carbon]

i thought it was normal back then :P

[rotund phoenix]

my first supertitan(from spheres) was araji

then second was…

araji;-;

[tough carbon]

b4 i always thought everyone got 1 supertitan form 1st open

[rotund phoenix]

lol

[runic barn]

Need dungeon level 2000 😔 not happening anytime soon.

Had they added light/dark titans to the dungeon?

[knotty light]

YES

[shrewd arrow]

Yes, but useless

[shrewd arrow]

@tough carbon yes they added them , you can play them but no defense against established Titans, for now useless

[shrewd arrow]

Not appear but you can use

[runic barn]

because the five cards

[dusty seal]

2

[storm stag]

will there be the difficulty level of the dungeon be maxed at some point? ... when all enemy teams are Lvl 120, abs star for example? .... enemy titans do not use totems in the dungeon, do they use titan skins and titan artifacts?

[tough carbon]

Always they are very weak and you can do fight all over again if you lost nothing happens can you do it how many times you want you not lost anything by that.

[sleek crest]

actually titans are locked until next day when they die

[tough carbon]

Meant heroes

[storm stag]

it is not the hero fights i struggle with .... 😉 ... they are done by Dante and Cain alone#

[light root]

I use Lilith solo

[tough carbon]

Yeah my bad Titans looks like based how many times you fight particular element and increase a bit after few hundred levels

Totems never , skins and arts. hard to check with power alone

I can give you examples of titan powers at my dungeon but i have invested much only in Water

[storm stag]

when are enemy teams composed of 3 and when of 4 titans ?

my weaker water and fire teams fight against 3 titans, my stronger earth team against 4

[tough carbon]

Looks like based at your titan power of certain elements

Earth i have weakest for example

[storm stag]

were my first 2 totem frags, so i went for earth .... nex 4 frags were 3x fire 1x water, so it is very hard atm as one element tends to get geeked very fast

[tough carbon]

Yeah sadly best for dungeon always been water mostly because healing

But new Dark / Light technically can heal in Mixed fights but who have resources to upgrade them

[storm stag]

i am at dungeon lvl 13k+ .... to level light/dark titans to a point where they can be useful - NO CHANCE

[broken sparrow]

I have just observed some damage numbers in the dungeon, and I can confirm that dungeon titans neither have elemental damage nor elemental armor.
(I came across an Angus who took 564427 damage from my Sigurd's basic attack, equal to my Sigurd's attack stat. So, no damage reduction from elemental armor.
That Angus dealt 807507 damage to my Sigurd with his basic attack. I then retreated and had Angus hit my Iyari. She also took 807507 damage. So, no elemental damage either)
Therefore, based on https://hero-wars.fandom.com/wiki/Calculation, the power, health, and attack stat of an opposing titan in the dungeon are related by power=0.0051health+0.068attack.
That Angus's power was 130455, so his health was 14,812,652 (rounded to nearest integer), just shy of the total amount of damage he took in the fight, as is evidenced by the screenshot below.
I also did the calculation for the enemy Avalon: power 129754, attack 875973, health 13,762,321.
Do note that the attack of either titan exceeds the max stats; their health is below max stats.
I do not know by virtue of what mechanic (artifact, skins, etc.) dungeon titans arrive at their stats - if there even is such a thing in the first place, for it would have to exceed the ways we, the players, can upgrade our titans.
What I think might be true is that there is simply a scaling factor involved, i.e. each enemy titan in the dungeon might have a unique ratio attack/health (only depending on the titan, not on the dungeon fight they are in), and that then their health and attack stat simply follow from power=0.0051health+0.068attack, without there being any kind of in game mechanic in the background giving rise to these numbers. If true, this could be confirmed by observing more data from other dungeon fights, which I am too lazy to do.
What I also do not know is at what difficulty dungeon maxes out or if enemy totems ever appear. So far I am only at depth 15,800, and I have yet to see an opposing totem.

[runic barn]

that's some interesting analysis

so no elemental damage or armor can be used

[storm stag]

I think there won`t be any enemy totems as the enemy Hero teams do not use pets in adventures - but THX for your work and insight!

[chilly fjord]

Yes, mixed titan fights max out at 670k and individual elemental titan fights max at 396k power. https://hero-wars.fandom.com/wiki/Guild/Dungeon
The power increases every time you beat that team until maxed. So by avoiding certain teams it will take a long time before they max out. I am at level 28k and my earth fights are still not maxed. Also, never seen an enemy totem, pretty sure there are none

[indigo berry]

Difficulties of danguen seems to be differ day by day.

[latent summit]

@indigo berry I have maxed titans. Before they were maxed I think the difficulty of the dungeon did change daily because I was leveling up titans daily. The dungeon opponent titans seem to vary in difficulty based on your titan team power. Once I maxed my titans, and I reached about 20K dungeon levels, the difficulty of the dungeon opponent titans does not seem to vary (perhaps because my titans don't get any stronger.) I did not see a change in the dungeon difficulty once I got and leveled (but not to max) the new titans, therefore I think the dungeon opponent titan strength calculation is solely based on the strength of your Earth/Fire/Water/Mixed team.

[indigo berry]

Thx 🙂

[sleek crest]

dungeon difficulty increase slightly with each fight against given element... for each element separately... progress and difficulcty increase is saved when you open doors...

at some point it will stop increasing when enemy titans gets maxed out... leaving you with advantage of totem they don't have

[sinful crane]

Been off for a while now

[stable sable]

Does anyone know what happened at the tail? I generally make 420 everyday, but yesterday I finished my final line at 411 and not 420?

I don't believe Titan deaths affect the scoring right?

No that should be impossible. I do 420 everyday nearly, aside from the absent mindedness on Sat

and the 480 push I did to test something.

It's just weird.

[tough carbon]

you clicked the claim button on checkpoint right?

[rotund phoenix]

uhhhhhh

lvl 596???

[ionic kiln]

How is it 45k power bruh 💀

[rotund phoenix]

ikr

lmao

[deft belfry]

Rather the skins and so on because the stars are not good.

[past kettle]

elemao

[indigo berry]

Light and Dark titans dungeon will come?

[vernal crystal]

lol, how is it 45k power at level 1

[uncut vessel]

What are your titan teams?

[uncut vessel]

Cool

[mint spruce]

when theres more dark and light titans

think about it, 2 titans doing those alone without a tank?

[pure crypt]

Heck didn't even make it past level 85 today.

I've got all of the dark titans and one light titan but my water elements keep dying.

[rotund phoenix]

Now

[indigo berry]

Chrome is better for playing this game

[rotund phoenix]

;-;

of all the things, u complain abt the browser??

lmao

[plain aurora]

do you have a water totem?

[rotund phoenix]

yes

[plain aurora]

lvl and stars are good?

[rotund phoenix]

here

i gtg for now

[plain aurora]

okay, you can consider changing your main 5 titans to be: Sigurd, Hyperion, Mairi, Nova and Araji basically 4 water + another titan and instead of Araji you could use Eden too...then the benefit of the water totem helps more

[rotund phoenix]

how?

i dont get what u mean

does it heal more?

[plain aurora]

not necessarily. it just activates more often which then equals healing more

[rotund phoenix]

oo cuz nova would deal more dmg?

[solar stone]

when ur titans die in dungeon i would recomend using mort to heal ur titans

[plain aurora]

No, more water titans is more titans giving the totem more energy which is why the totem will activate sooner

[plain aurora]

Hyperion heals too as well as the water totem if you have it

[rotund phoenix]

thats what i meant lol

it would activate faster

[solar stone]

sure, but thats not a lot and his totem is pretty weak

[plain aurora]

yeah okay, then your right

[rotund phoenix]

k

ty

[plain aurora]

if you main water and your not too deep in the dungeon and you get good fight sequences, you can go for a pretty long time in dungeon

[solar stone]

yes i have main water, if i d have the time i could sometimes go infinity

[plain aurora]

agreed.

[solar stone]

the strenght of your enemies is not depending on how deep u are, but on the strength of ur own titans

[plain aurora]

yeah I guess so. but sometimes I see that an account's titan team improves significantly but the enemy is still around the same power as before and that person hadn't really done dungeon

[solar stone]

but on the other hand, my earth titans are pretty weak and they also match weak enemies in dungeon

[plain aurora]

yeah, I guess it might be a bit of both?

[solar stone]

yes i have no idea of the exact algorithm

[sleek crest]

each fight in dungeon increase power of this element you fight a bit... increase is saved when you activate save point

[dusty seal]

i have been playing this for 3 years

😀

[runic barn]

thats a long time 😁 old player

[brittle oracle]

in early game if you don't have hyperion is it worth leveling iyari or mort or just ignore them and wait.

[full void]

is this a good setup?

[vapid ermine]

no you need atlast 3 of the same type to use totem

[full void]

better? Now i just need totem

[latent summit]

@full void Presuming you have all 12 'traditional' titans summoned your approach should be:

• on Mixed battles always use 4 water + a sick titan.
  For the sick titan I suggest Morloch if he is sick, if Morloch is 100% then the sicker of Avalon or Eden, if Avalon+Eden are 100% then Angus, then if Angus is 100% then the sickest of remaining traditional titans
  If all 'traditional' titans are 100% then use the healthiest of your Light/Dark titans. Don't worry if they die...they are meat shields to keep your traditional titans healthy
• on Water battles always use 4 water titans. Do not fire Hyperion or Nova and try to only fire Sigurd. This heals them all and charges them all
• on Earth battles use 3 earth titans; do not use Angus unless it is necessary to do so to keep the other 3 alive
• on Fire battles always 4 fire titans unless Morloch will die then use 3 titans

Remember: in the dungeon you can always retreat without penalty and try again. This is especially useful if the opponent has an Eden - Eden is random and you may do well/better on another battle.

[native jasper]

I hate dungeon, got 19 titanite yesterday today 152

[native jasper]

No my titans died

They level 5

[quasi smelt]

Looks like they changed teams for maxed titans and made it much rougher. So the solution for Dungeon was to make it harder. Thanks.

[delicate lichen]

Havent done barely any titanite since damn 🐮 war started 😵‍💫. Cannot wait for this 2 weeks break to dig out a few thousand again. I stopped around lvl 71k. So do you say, it became harder recently?

[quasi smelt]

Yes, I fell asleep early and missed yesterday, but a guild mate pointed it out and I confirmed today that they started mixing up the mixed teams. It's been X, Miri, Araji, Ignis, Sylva since I maxed titans. Today I'm seeing teams with Hyperion mixed in. Making it more difficult to heal tanks back up. Have to be way more careful and it's slowing us down quite a bit.

I try to do 100 new doors every day. Not sure I even want to bother anymore with this change

[reef cove]

They have ruined the Dungeon with the new multi-element Titan fights. Players will find it much harder (and way slower) to get Stones for Gold, Spheres etc. I have maxed Titans and Totems and it will be worse for people without them.

[runic barn]

have a feeling i might crash in dungeon again

[vapid ermine]

no but you get less stars on your main totem slower + you will get gold alot slower since it will take longer to get max star

[teal meadow]

I have seen all 3 ST on the mixed teams and usually now have at least 2 ST (Araji/Hyperion)

[latent summit]

@teal meadow I'm at Dungeon 75000 so I have a bit of dungeon experience. Since Dec 22 there has been a change in the Dungeon. Prior to that there was a like 1% chance of seeing Hyperion as a mixed battle opponent - basically you never saw Hyperion. Now when there is a super titan it is Hyperion (or Hyperion+Araji and very rarely Hyperion+Eden) for most of the mixed titan battles. This has made the dungeon marginally harder - Hyperion sits back further than either Eden or Araji and therefore Hyperion is much harder to stun and Hyperion has a very short start-of-ult-to-damage-occurs animation which therefore also makes Hyperion also harder to stun. Add that to we never saw a 3+ water titan opponents on mixed but now do so routinely means that the mixed titan battles are harder. To my knowledge this was totally unannounced to the player base. Since some <CM>'s have propagated 'fake news' that no Dungeon change has occurred it probably means the <CM>'s were not told either.

[sleek crest]

this is not really dungeon change - afaik dungeon teams are based on ToE teams...
at lower levels in dungeon i was fighting teams you mentioned all time and didn't notice any change - probably more such teams found their way to higher ranks there so more of them started to appear in dungeon

[latent summit]

@sleek crest I think ToE is pretty static. I always get to level 7/lord stage and am not seeing a big difference in the ToE competition. Could you explain your theory a bit better please?

[sleek crest]

in dungeon heroes fights enemies are copied from arena/ga defense teams with tuned up/down their power to required level
titan fights enemies are teams copied from ToE setups

[latent summit]

@sleek crest I have never heard of this before. Is this MY defense teams or is this every players defense teams? I haven't changed my defense team in months so I doubt it is that.

[tough carbon]

Titan fights enemies are teams copied from ToE setups - wrong

dungeon titans have nothing to do with ToE or any real player

and like @latent summit said, they suddenly made the dungeon change and has been felt widely in a day by even aragore (at 970k) to many players ranging from 50k to 250k

[frigid wren]

im dungeon master 😏

[tough carbon]

[serene yarrow]

I echo your observations at 129K. It is much harder to heal Angus & Moloch in the mixed-team battles

[latent summit]

If you think that the dungeon has changed without player notification then would you please star this link:
#💬general message

[ripe galleon]

You got a star. I hope, more are following. Although I think, that Andrew is totally clueless and he cannot help.

[latent summit]

I think @night charm and the other community managers have a very tough job. They take the brunt of the poor decisions the program manager (or devs) make in releasing changes to the game. They can't actually fix anything and are getting paid to take the vitriol of the player base.

We can only hope @night charm and the other community managers are doing their job and notifying the program managers/dev team of the players concerns.

[sleek crest]

so now just 2400 soul stones to get him to absolute star and unlock titan soul shop

[runic barn]

unless they already did

[runic barn]

you didn't need to ping them but it is true

[latent summit]

I wonder why Nexters keeps saying that there has been no change to the dungeon since 22Dec when there clearly has been. I know that none of the <CM>'s play the game, but when 50 people who play the game say there has been a change...there has been a change.

[teal meadow]

There most definitely has been a change.

[latent summit]

It's the holiday, the devs probably don't want to spend time investigating it. This is another case of hurting the new/lower players way more than players with maxed titans. If you wish, you could consider putting a star on this:
#⭐starboard message

[runic barn]

can't get past dungeon 80 on new account 😅

need to invest more

[mint spruce]

laugh in lv1980=))

[native jasper]

Our server?

[native jasper]

laugh in level 4k plus

[molten flume]

I think there has been a boost in the dungeon titan power levels. I used to get my 150 titanite daily and now I struggle for the 90. I don't know how some of you are farming as much titanite as you claim! it must be different at max levels?

[runic barn]

Yes

Oop

[teal meadow]

It looks like they changed mixed titans in the last few hours. My last 2 mixed battles had this setup.

[low kelp]

i've seen no change in dungeon at all

[latent summit]

It is different at max levels. There you prioritize your 'to heal' titans and heal them at every mixed battle. Every water only always heals and 100% charges your water titans. It is easier at max levels because up until 22Dec when Nexters changed the dungeon the opponents were pretty easy and followed a pattern. Now it is harder (but not too much harder) with max titans to have as many levels as you care to do each day.

[quasi smelt]

I'd argue even with Max titans it's much harder. I was opening 100 new doors a day (780 titanite) and I could literally do as much as I wanted if I was willing to put in the time. Today, I had all I could do to keep titans alive and quit after 360 titanite before I started loosing titans. There has 100% been a change to dungeon for the worse.

[latent summit]

Oh, there has definitely been a change in the dungeon. It is just much harder now for non-max titan players. Because there is now Hyperion on every mixed titan fight my gameplay had to change to do infinite levels. The problem is, you have to retreat a LOT more now. Before, Eden was a wild card because you never knew which of your titans she'd bury, but Eden is easy to stun. Hyperion is faster all around on animation-start-to-damage so harder to stun. Hyperion's heals are annoying too and add variability between doors. Definitely harder, but 100% positively a change as of 22Dec2022.

[latent summit]

What to do with titans is a complicated thing - you have to consider the dungeon, GW, CoW and your ToE aspirations as well.

If it was just the dungeon you want advice on, then my opinion is you should concentrate on your water titan team and your water totem. For exploring deep into the dungeon you must heal your Fire and Earth titans with a team of 4-water titans + 1 'to heal' titan on every opportunity you get to select a mixed titan battle. The dungeon becomes easier the stronger your water titan team becomes. Strictly speaking about the dungeon, you priority would be water > tanks > Eden > other earth > Araji > other fire and only adjust that if you can't consistently win with earth-only or fire-only doors. For example, If you can't consistently win fire-only battles with a fully-healed team of fire titans then pump investments into the weak link (probably fire tank Morloch or the fire supertitan Araji in this case.)

However, a more balanced approach may be desirable if you have strong ToE aspirations and/or if your CoW generals need stronger titan support. You'll never be upset about your investments into tank titans or super titans.

As for the dark/light titans -- as it stands now they are not very useful compared to the traditional water, earth, and fire titans. This may (probably?) will change when the light/dark tank and super titans are released in 2023.

[obsidian bramble]

When will it be possible to buy LIGHT and DARK titan fragments from the merchant?

[runic barn]

I think ima do 100 titanite instead of 30 today...

[runic barn]

I don't think that is happening

[runic barn]

supertitans for light and dark?

hmmm,
mort rendered useless 🤔

[latent summit]

I certainly hope this is not the case. We should be able to 'redeem' our Gleaming Attack Seals and Gleaming Balance Seals for Light/Dark Weapon fragments or Crown fragments. In a perfect world you'd be able to exchange any excess titan artifact fragments for Elemental Tournament Coins and then be able to buy Light/Dark titan artifact fragments from the merchant. I am holding out that Nexters will do that...I'm holding out, but not holding my breath

[runic barn]

well not happening right now*

[runic barn]

in dungeon is there battles for light and dark titans like you can only use light titans or you can only use dark titans like wht the other elements

[reef shuttle]

don't think so

[runic barn]

So does that mean
Mixed Battles use light or dark (whichever you want to main)

[reef shuttle]

I think so

[sleek crest]

enemy teams don't use light or dark and there is no intention to change it

[latent summit]

Ok - so here is the 'secret sauce' for maxed titans. You can adjust slightly (or ignore this completely) as you wish:

How to Get Infinite Dungeon Levels

Gather Single Titan Type Team

1. Water Team - all water titans
2. Fire Team - all fire titans
   a. Exception: If you cannot win without Morloch dying then remove Morloch
3. Earth Team - Avalon + Eden + Sylva
   a. Exception: If you cannot win without either Avalon or Eden dying then add Angus
   .

Gather Mixed Titan Team

1. Always use all Water titans
2. Use the following to determine the 5th 'to heal' titan:
   If both Avalon and Angus are real sick then Avalon
   If Morloch > 85% and Eden > 50% and Avalon > 85% then Angus (unless Angus > 95%)
   If Morloch is sick then Morloch (unless Morloch > 95%)
   If Eden > 30% and Avalon > 50% then Angus (unless Angus > 95%)
   If Vulcan is sick and NOT a dual super titan opponent then Vulcan
   If either Avalon or Eden are sick then the sickest of those two
   If Morloch is sick then Morloch
   If Angus is sick at all then Angus
   If Vulcan is sick then Vulcan
   If Ignis is sick then Ignis
   If Sylva is sick then Sylva
   If Araji is sick then Araji
   If all of the above are 100% health then the healthiest of Iyari or Keros
   .

Water Only Battle

1. Let Sigurd take a hit
2. Let Sigurd's auto-attack hit back - his attack is done when the white horizontal flash occurs at his feet
3. Fire Sigurd's ult as fast as possible after 1 & 2 are done
4. Fire totem as soon as it is available
5. If Sigurd is going to be sick at end of fight, fire Mairi immediately before totem fires (generally NOT needed)
6. DO NOT fire Nova or Hyperion
7. Once the totem has fired you can speed up the battle if Sigurd health is > 40%
8. The general outcome is all water titans are at 100% energy, Hyperion+Nova+Mairi are at full health, Sigurd health > 75% and usually at or near 100%. If the above is not true you can try again and fire Mairi as soon as available.
   .

Fire Only Battle

1. If Morloch is very healthy use Auto and Speed combat.
2. If Morloch is < 33% health then use Auto only. If Morloch dies, retreat and retry a few times. If Morloch still dies remove Morloch.

Earth Only Battle

1. Use Auto until Totem is ready to fire.
2. Fire the totem as soon as possible
3. Once totem has fired (when green bar is up and combat delays) turn off Auto
4. Exceptions:
   a. If all of the Earth titans start the battle with 0% energy then leave the Auto on the entire fight
   b. If Angus is in the fight then leave Auto on the entire fight
   .

Mixed Combat Battle

1. NEVER use Auto or Speed Combat. All mixed titan battles are 100% manual
2. Hyperion: Fire as soon as ready. Fire a second time if ready again and battle time > 1:36
3. Sigurd: Fire at 1:57 or as soon as ready thereafter. Fire a second time if ready again and battle time > 1:36
4. Mairi: Fire every time available until 1:36. Thereafter fire only if the 'to heal' titan or Sigurd are sick
5. Nova: Fire at 1:57. For the second and subsequent Nova fires:
   a. Important: If your opponent is Araji and especially if opponent is Eden or Hyperion then save the 2nd and subsequent Nova ult fire until the opponent titan begins their ult animation then fire Nova's ult to stop the opponents ult.
   b. If both Araji and Eden opponents then follow guidance for Eden:
   c. Araji opponent: Let Araji begin his fire ult then fire Nova's ult. Sigurd will take a little damage but you will for sure kill this Araji ult
   d. Eden opponent: Timing is more important for Eden. Wait until Eden has picked up the rock and has it about knee high then fire Nova's ult to skip the Eden ult. Timing is important
   - if you do it too soon Eden will stun but then immediately ult after the stun and you will not have Nova ready to counter
   - if you do it too late she still throws the rock and your whole team takes damage
   e. Hyperion opponent: Hyperion is tough as he sits back far enough that your first stun usually will not hit him. After first stun reserve the 2nd stun until the end of the battle then stun Hyperion immediately after he starts his ult. This is tricky to get right and will take some practice, however, killing Hyperion's last ult is the key to getting the 'to heal' titan at or near 100% health.
   f. Stop firing at 1:36 unless 'to heal' or Sigurd are sick AND firing the ult will improve healing.

6. 'To heal' titan:
   a. If the 'to heal' titan is Angus then fire Angus once and only once when his ult is available unless the ult is available after 1:36 then do NOT fire the ult at all.
   b. If the 'to heal' titan is Morloch or Avalon then you will fire Morloch/Avalon once and only once as follows:
   ---- i. If Sigurd cannot fire at 1:57 or after and Morloch/Avalon can then fire Morloch/Avalon once and on or as soon after 1:57 as possible
   ---- ii. If Sigurd has/can fired at 1:57 or otherwise fired before Morloch/Avalon then fire Morloch/Avalon ult at 1:52 or as soon as possible thereafter. Only fire Morloch/Avalon's ult once.
   c. For all other 'to heal' titans fire them once and only once as soon as they are available as long as this is before 1:36. If they are available after 1:36 then do NOT fire their ult.
   .

[stable sparrow]

Zog#3811 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[latent summit]

Stunning

1. Stunning Eden and Hyperion before they ult is a priority. Stun them throughout the battle unless it is clear you will heal up after their ult.
2. For Araji and usually Eden it is NOT the case firing a stun after 1:36 will be necessary.
3. Usually a late fight Sylva ult won't do that much damage and a stun will not be necessary, however, if the health and energy of the Water team are high you may improve the outcome by stunning Sylva.
4. Rules to live by:
   a. Continue firing stuns after 1:36 if Eden is going to ult if and only if you can stop the Eden ult as above.
   b. Always stun Hyperion before he can get off an end-of-battle ult. This is critical; practice this.

Choice of Fight

1. Always take mixed if offered unless all your potential 'to heal' titans are at 100% health and the other choice is water...then use your water titans
2. If not, always take water
3. If not, always take Earth unless both Angus and Avalon are super sick then take Fire

RETREAT!!!!

1. You can still retreat after the battle is done if you do fast enough. I pre-position my cursor where the 'Retreat' button will be on any battle that I think is 'iffy' (most really are not, but all Eden battles can go south quick) For fastest retreat hit the 'Esc' button to bring up the Pause/Retreat menu then quickly left click on the 'Retreat' button. Practice this until it is smooth - this is a lifesaver (literally)
2. Always retreat if any titan dies. The titan that dies is usually Sigurd or sometimes Morloch...keep an eye on them!

3. Always retreat immediately after the battle ends if ANY of the following occur:
   a. Retreat if Sigurd's health < 50%. You can cheat a bit on this if Sigurd's energy is at or near 100%
   b. Retreat if the 'to heal' titan's health has not improved. However, if the 'to heal' titan's health > 95% it's OK
   c. Retreat if the entire Water titan team is sick. If Sigurd is near 100% health then the team can be sicker. I don't have a hard and fast rule...after a while you know what combinations can work and when you should retreat.
   d. When in doubt - RETREAT!

Heros

1. Use any team that can win on Auto/Speed.
2. Use Oracle cards on Hero fights ONLY. Do not use Oracle cards on titan fights.

Boredom and Inattentiveness

1. I really don't get bored so much as I get physically tired or become inattentive. When bored or tired or inattentive - take a break from the dungeon. Chat in the guild chat. Do your dailies. Fight in CoW. Or, alternatively, there is this cool thing called 'real life' which can easily be used to combat boredom or inattentiveness...or sleep can overcome tiredness!
2. Try to go as fast as you can. I find this is a very cool challenge that keeps my head in the game.
3. Set a goal - I have a goal of at least 4000 titanite a day. I don't always meet this goal (see 'real life' above!) however striving for the goal keeps my head in the game.

Gold Baybee Gold

1. The deeper you go the more gold per 10 doors (i.e. each save point) you get. I now get 700,000 gold per save point. I went from always scrounging gold to having over 1 BILLION gold.

[stable sparrow]

Zog#3811 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[molten flume]

flogging a dead horse here, the game overall difficulty has been changed, not just dungeon, adventures as well. No I am not maxed anyone anywhere, but in adventues I got knocked back two levels and struggle. In the dungeon, I fight hard to get the 1st stage 75 titanite. I was easily getting 150+ before. this is really going to retard my growth.

[latent summit]

Unfortunately every player knows that since 22Dec the Dungeon has dramatically increased in difficulty. This is primarily because the opposing team compositions are different:

1. Hyperion is now in a majority mixed battles,
2. when Hyperion is not an opponent the opponent is usually 4 Earth+Araji/Morloch,
3. 4 water opponents + Eden/Araji are common which is hard for maxed titans and deadly if not maxed,
4. the percentage of non-Super titan opponents has been drastically reduced.

@night charm & @sweet tangle have posted the devs said there was no change to the dungeon, however, I don't believe they actually play the game and the devs are purposely or inadvertently fibbing.

[chilly fjord]

I know something was changed in dungeon the 22th, but it appears (at least to me) that something was changed again yesterday (30th). Now I am back to never facing hyperion but I always face eden in mixed battles, usually 4 earth + vulcan/araji/ignis/mairi

[latent summit]

This evening when I do my dungeon run I'll see if I get the same results. Assuming I see the same, 4E+Araji/Ignis is a deadly combination unless your titans are maxed. Bad change that affects the small guy/smaller guilds.

[native jasper]

you don't have to use them imo

[latent summit]

Ok - just ran an hour of the dungeon and didn't see Hyperion once and certainly did not see the 4 Water + Eden/Araji killer opponents of the last few weeks. In general for mixed titan fights the dungeon is 'back to normal' for 50% of the fights and '4 Earth + Araji/Ignis/Morloch' 50% of the time - which is a killer for newbs.

I wonder why Nexters is picking on the newbs lately...

[proud mountain]

Last 3 days all mixed titan teams consist of 4 Earth + 1 other (at least in my Dungeon), very hard to heal damaged titans 😦

[fluid elk]

Same for me!

They must have updated the dungeon settings

[proud mountain]

2 tips for Nexters crew:

1. Stop screwing around with Dungeon "settings", let it be fun for all!
2. Please send your developers on Memory Management course; seems there are quite some memory leaks in game (meaning memory usage goes up to 6+ GB, and becomes buggy, or crashes with 'out of memory' message on 32 GB machine)!

[ripe galleon]

Same on my side, four earth titans + x, sometimes only three of earth. Nexters is killing it again.
@night charm what's going on with the dungeon? Why have you changed again the mixed fights? It's getting more and more difficult. And the dungeon is already the most time consuming part of the game. We Abt to get rid of that, just start implementing some rework of the dungeon, similar to mobile. And give us there better rewards, then more players will do it!

[latent summit]

You'll notice at the top I say " 'secret sauce' for maxed titans". This won't work as well for lower level titans...but I've been using something like this since I was at dungeon level 10000, and all of this information was hard won through lots of experimentation. You'll also note I said "You can adjust slightly (or ignore completely) as you wish".

Gift horses teeth were not good enough I guess....

[latent summit]

You know, it is really difficult even with maxed titans to win 4 earth + Ignis if your water titans are sick and not fully charged. I can do it with maxed titans but I imagine that combo will always result in a death of a titan (probably Sigurd) if you have less than maxed titans. The last four mixed battles I just had were 4 earth + Ignis which puts Eden in the far back position which cannot be stunned for Eden's first and often second Ult...and two rock attacks would certainly kill at least one non-maxed titan team.

It truly seems like Nexters is targeting newb/lower players lately. @night charm this change to the dungeon is particularly unfair to lower level players and therefore to their guilds. Why did Nexters do this?

[chilly fjord]

Fully agree. The 4E+ignis is problematic, although I have 2 ways to block eden's boulder. First, is to use 4W+moloch and stun with moloch. The second is to stun eden's boulder with nova, this is possible even though eden is in the 3rd position, depends on your lineup. I have found that nova will stun eden (3rd position) if you use sigurd, angus, nova, eden and hyperion. Enemy eden will not be stunned by nova if eden is replaced with araji or 4W+angus, not sure why.

[latent summit]

Unfortunately, who you field against 4E+Ignis depend on which 'to heal' titan you've selected. I have not had success stunning with Morloch - the other titans get stunned but not Eden unfortunately. On 4E+Ignis fights I usually absorb the first Eden rock, reserve Nova's stun (well, 2nd stun after the first Nova stun at 1:57), then once the front-line defenders are gone stun Eden's 2nd rock with Nova's reserved ult.

Another dungeon change introduced on 22Dec2022 is seeing 4E+Araji battles. These are actually easier than 4E+Ignis for me since Eden can always be stunned by Nova, however, Araji does not get stunned and does not die as quick in the 3rd position so Araji can often get off a second ult. Not as much problem because by then your Water totem is spamming heals, but certainly an increase in difficulty to the dungeon.

[ripe galleon]

I don't know, if this was planned. I guess, some developer messed it up and no one found out yet, since testers are too expensive. 🤣

[stuck helm]

@latent summit Thank you for the recommendations. I don't utilize all tips, because my Angus/Avalon/Sylva + Moloch/Vulcan/Ignis are very weak. I have a few of my own to heal my lower level, developing titans.

Biggest trouble for me the last few days is so many mixed battles have enemy Eden in the 3rd position, and too far forward for Nova's stun, unless my Eden pulls down the correct backline titan. Hitting retreat so many times when my Eden pulls down an improper titan, and their Eden pulls down one of the titans I don't want from my team.

Sigurd taking lots of extra damage. A few weeks ago, I could be near 500 titanite and Sigurd at full health. Last night, he almost died before I got 150.

Some tips I've used for non-maxed teams, and players like me with only a water totem. When you see a mixed opponent with no tanks, this is a great opportunity to heal a weak Moloch or Angus. Multiple enemy tanks will do too much damage to heal your secondary tanks. One enemy tank is possible with a full energy Araji to kill opposing tank quickly, and your secondary tank is in line to receive Hyperion's first heal.

Also, I focus on healing Avalon as much as possible. Or even charging Avalon early in a mixed battle if I have not had an Earth only battle yet. If I can keep Avalon and Eden healthy, and get lucky on battle options for the 5th, 7th, and 8th battles of the floor (not getting eliminated with back to back fire) I can go as long as I'm able.

And, a question for discord, how much better does the dungeon get when you get your 1st Earth totem? I imagine that shield will be so much fun at the end of Earth only battles.

[latent summit]

The Earth totem does not help on mixed only - those are always 'water team' fights for the healing. However, getting your Earth totem is a game changer for Earth only fights. Once the Earth shield goes up attacks rebound and you can kill the opponent faster.

I have max titans and max Earth totem so I can use 3 earth titans only (I reserve Angus and add him as a 'meat shield' only if Avalon or Eden will die without him) and once the Earth totem fires I do not fire any of my Earth titans after that - just let them gather energy for the next fight. For a lesser Earth titan your shield won't last as long so you'll probably want to keep on actively fighting...but it will certainly make your Earth only fights a lot less damaging on Angus and Avalon.

[stuck helm]

I look forward to just a 1 star Earth totem, if I'm lucky enough, so I don't have to worry about Hyperion's ult on Earth only battles. I'd appreciate just once getting any totem from blue spheres.

I'll even take a dark totem, and at the moment I'm only curious about mixing light with my water.

[latent summit]

You will over time get them from titan spheres. However, it pains me to tell you this but the only sure way to get totem fragments is to spend emeralds...

I don't know about light/dark at lower levels. I will tell you they are essentially useless at high levels so I'd be careful about investment there

[stuck helm]

I'm probably a long way away. I messed up my bad luck protection by using the 1st elemental season golden ticket prize before spending emeralds to get my 2nd totem. I've probably invested 10-12 times on 100 blue spheres, but only when it's discounted.

[latent summit]

OOOH that is a costly mistake.

[native jasper]

Yeah

Personally have a 1 star water totem and a random one from Santa on alt

After I get 2nd frag I'll open the random one

[stuck helm]

Didn't see, or didn't pay enough attention to discord to hear the warnings, until plenty of players mentioning it quite a bit after the season. It is what it is. I'll never be perfect or ultra competitive in my server. I take breaks from the game. I stopped playing during seasons 2 or 3 times. High titanite numbers and CoW cleanup was the way I contribute to guilds with strong players who don't do the dungeon at all. Much more difficult lately.

[latent summit]

I, also, try to contribute by getting titanite. I used to have a minimum goal of 3000 titanite. Now with all the retreats and restarts necessary I've dropped my goal to 2000. The dungeon is much harder at all levels of titan strength now.

[vernal crystal]

i've never seen 4 earth + whatever before, but i keep getting 3 supertitans in the same team which is annoying

[latent summit]

@vernal crystal 3 Super titans never happened before the 22Dec2022 change. 4E+Araji/Ignis never happened before the 22Dec change. Nexters/ @night charm / @sweet tangle keep saying there has been no change to the dungeon but anyone who actually plays the game knows the dungeon difficulty was dramatically increased on 22Dec2022.

I have maxed titans and the dungeon is now more difficult for me by far. I know people with non-maxed titans who could, prior to the 22Dec2022 change, routinely do 600-800 titanite who now do <300 (150 Valkyries and <150 by dungeon diving). This affects all their guild members - their guild collectively used to get 7500 titanite almost every day but now nearly never do.

I don't know why Nexters is actively punishing newer/weaker players and weaker guilds, but they are.

[thin jolt]

because in there minds you will spend real money to upgrade your titans

[stuck helm]

doesn't work when a player with max titans recognizes and is most vocal against the stealth dungeon changes.

[vernal crystal]

hmm

[latent summit]

@stuck helm My issue isn't so much how the change affects me personally. It is more the abject unfairness of the change. Why punish weaker players? The dungeon is a major source of gold for the mid-level player - converting excess titan souls into gold is the way you move forward at the mid levels. This change to the dungeon difficulty level doesn't punish the whales who have max titans...this stealth dungeon difficulty change affects the mid level player.

I can't imagine how this helps Nexters bottom line. The people who quit out of frustration (and therefore bye-bye Valkyries Favor revenue) must far outweigh the small number of people who actually buy gold. Therefore this dungeon difficulty change just seems mean spirited - and that riles me.

[stuck helm]

I appreciate and understand your point. Helps players on different levels understand what's happening. My first assumption was my Eden and Araji grew too strong for the balance of those elemental teams, and couldn't keep up with their opponents. I would've been stuck and frustrated over time, assuming that's also not the case. Not much I'm going to do about that for a while though. I'm saving all titan resources for the Light supertitan reveal. 75k titan skin stones and 63k titan potions at the moment.

I should also consider dumping valkyrie's favor. I don't think the spending limitations matter much to nexters when all those players still do valkyrie's favor.

[latent summit]

@stuck helm I think it was Charlie from @hexed narwhal who did some back of the envelope calculations to show 60%+ of Nexters total revenue came from Valkyries Favor alone. Which, I guess, means whales and other purchases make up for the rest of the revenue. So, I still ask, why discourage lower power players from enjoying the game by making the game harder? It doesn't help when @night charm and @sweet tangle say that the dungeon hasn't change - we ALL know the dungeon has become significantly harder since 22Dec2022. I'd rather have an honest answer from Nexters saying 'increasing the dungeon increases our bottom line' than 'the dungeon has not changed'.

Although as I wrote the last line above I was reminded of the Underwear Gnomes from South Park: Step 1: Increase the difficulty of the Dungeon, Step 2: ?????, Step 3: Profits!!!

[stuck helm]

Today, for the first time ever, I chose an Earth battle over a mixed battle to save the health of my water titans.

[hexed narwhal]

Would it be possible that the dungeon is just programmed to get more difficult the deeper you get?

In that way you could both (you and CM Andrew) be right.

The sheer volume of battles and variations probably makes it necessary

[stuck helm]

Could be possible. Would make sense that the levels increase due to depth as much, if not more than steady increases in power. Though, this new difficulty reminds me of a Path of Madness degree of intensity.

Considering I used an in-game analogy, wouldn't be too strange.

[hexed narwhal]

I honestly do not do more than the free 150 unless there’s a quest or task for it

[stuck helm]

I'm a weaker player latching on to a high end silver after a gold guild just fragmented. I consider doing the dungeon my penance to the guild, lol

[hexed narwhal]

Sometimes it be that way

[latent summit]

For me, the dungeon hasn't changed difficulty from about level 18000 to 76000 - where I was on 22Dec2022 when Nexters changed the difficulty. Before 22Dec2022 there was variation on the opponents with:
-- no Super titans about 30% of the time
-- single Eden or Araji about 60% of the time
-- Eden+Araji fight about 10% of the time.

Prior to 22Dec2022 there was NEVER 4E+Ignis, 4E+Araji, 4W+Eden, 3Supers, etc. After 22Dec2022 those combinations are the norm...and the percentage of no super-titan mixed battles is way less than 10%. Result-the dungeon is much harder after 22Dec2022.

For a max player like me, I can with proper play still get good heals from mixed battles against the new, more difficult opponents. However to do so now takes very precise play and luck - who Eden sinks is random after all, Eden in 3rd position cannot be stunned, etc. Therefore to get equivalent results I have to retreat a lot. This is a stairstep change in difficulty for a max titan player. However these new more difficult combinations are deadly for a low or mid titan power level player - they just can't use the dungeon to farm as many resources.

Now if it was just me and @stuck helm then Nexters could blow it off as two salty players. But it is not just us two...look at the HW dungeon channel since 22Dec2022. Remove all my posts - I am salty about this - but you'll see 40+ individuals who have taken the time to discuss how the dungeon has changed.

The dungeon is a major source of gold for mid to near-top titan power players. The excess titan souls are exchanged for much needed gold at the Titan merchant. The guild-wide Titan summoning spheres helps the entire guild. This change hurts players and guilds.

The stealth increase in dungeon difficulty was wrong - as are any major stealth changes to Hero Wars. Seriously disadvantaging mid level players and guilds could be a conscious choice by Nexters, but in my mind that too is wrong.

[thin jolt]

no thats not correct im at 46000 dungeon level and the week before it was hyperion then bam just like everybody its eden in every battle so if your water team is not maxed out your doomed and you will need to play in manual mode and thats the part i hate the most nexters im just about over this game

[hexed narwhal]

Ok

[thin jolt]

by the way i do watch all your vids its interesting your paying attention to this change in dungeon what happened to full disclosure by nexters another lie like normal

[hexed narwhal]

thank you for the support!

I don't they ever had claimed full disclosure 🤣 gotta set your expectations a bit lower

[thin jolt]

i agree there's low then there is low class they are beyond scraping bottom with this one eden in every battle at least it was a mixed bag before

[storm stag]

What shall this s..t ... i have 3 elements of titans - would be NICE, if all 3 would be allowed to fight in the dungeon ... especially when i have to win 70 hero fights in 5 days, which is impossible if this f.....g game takes out 1 Element of the fights to geek my other 2 elements faster ... i already hate and boykott the titan part of the game, and things like this do not further my motivation on that ... i want a water fight NOW

[delicate lichen]

Upgrade to where, when he already has them maxed?

[smoky plinth]

hello

[latent summit]

hello @smoky plinth What is up?

[proud mountain]

No response from Nexters... was to be expected!

[tough carbon]

i'm poor

[latent summit]

I saw 3 supertitans like 1/1000 titan doors from 18000 to 76000ish. Never saw Eden in the unstunnable position 3 ever. Then 22Dec2022 happened and they were common. In the last several days I am not seeing the 3supers so much and the incidence of 4W+Eden, 4W+Araji has dropped...so Nexters did something. But there is still a much higher prepoderance of 4E+Ignis and 4E+Araji than before, much higher preponderance of Eden+Araji+Morloch+Angus+Avalon and a dramatically reduced occurrence of non-Super Titan opponents.

I have adjusted to the new norm. My issue is I remember how absolutely gold starved I was when my titans were strongish but not maxed. The dungeon was my source of gold. I couldn't have progressed nearly as fast now as I did then because the Dungeon is seriously harder now. Before a non-maxed titan player like I was could do as many Dungeon levels as they chose to do. Now...if you read the posts above and on other socials players are just trying to stay alive on mixed titan battles and are rarely healing like you should be doing. I think it is wrong for Nexters to do stealth changes ever. It is Nexters game and they can and did take away the primary source of gold for many players...but is it right? I think not

[stuck helm]

Nexters writes the fine print in invisible ink.

[proud mountain]

If they just were honest and admit they made (unreported) changes (and possibly revert them).
I don't understand why Nexters thinks it is necessary to deceive and screw its customers in this way... 😕

[chilly fjord]

Fully agree. However, Nexters seems to have made changes again today. The first 2 h today I only faced the (now) usual earth teams, then after a 3-4 h break I went back to dungeon. Now I only face Araji/Hyperion teams. Have even faced triple super titans team (Moloch/Araji/Eden/Hyperion/Ignis), which was a real pain.

[stuck helm]

Woah, when do 4 elemental opponents come in to play?

[chilly fjord]

Do not quite remember, around 150k power I believe. There is a power interval (think 150-180k) were you either face 3 strong or 4 weaker titans in elemental battles. After that it is always 4. @latent summit maybe you know?

[reef cove]

I think they have made it slightly better again in the last few days. Maybe they actually listened to the complaints 🙂

[latent summit]

Around dungeon level 18000 I used to very, very occasionally see 4 elemental opponents. That continued peacefully until Nexters started their ninja dungeon changes on 22Dec2022. Now seeing 4E+Araji or worse 4E+Ignis is ultra common. Those two combinations are very tough because it puts Eden in position 3 which can only be stunned by Morloch and then only after Angus has been defeated. If Morloch is not your 'to heal' titan then you either burn a mixed battle without heals or you retreat like 20 times until you get a lucky Eden sink of your 'to heal' titan and heal that titan at the expense of a very damaged water team. 4E+Araji/Ignis is now about 40% of the mixed battles that I see.

@chilly fjord said there was a change today away from 4E+x to 3super or Araji+Hyperion. Unfortunately I've crapped out for the day - got 6 Earth only in a row w/o a mixed and my earth are shot for the day so I can't test it. BTW - 4/5/6 single Earth in a row is not a new thing, just a thankfully rare thing. I should have selected fire instead of earth when both Avalon and Angus were sick...but didn't think I'd get 6 single E in a row...

[tough carbon]

congrats

[dusty seal]

ty

[tough carbon]

how long did it take u to get to that level? egregium

im at level 7000

its takin ages

[dusty seal]

it depends on how many floors you walk every day, if you're like me, you'll get there in a year

[tough carbon]

u do how much per day?

[dusty seal]

90-150 titanite 10-20 floors ,but up to the 11,000 floor even up to 700-800 titanite passed

without valkyrie

[tough carbon]

ok thx:)

[torpid parrot]

dungeon you say....

[serene yarrow]

Yesterday almost all my mixed teams were 3 Supers + Fire which made it impossible to heal my earth titans. Managed to get my daily 330, but it was a lot of work with a lot of ESC restarts. The dynamics have definitely changed

[latent summit]

I am so happy that I got to see Frank play a number of time. What an amazing guitarist!

[latent summit]

They seem to have changed the dynamics to make it so the average guild member who wants to contribute HAS to have Valkyries so they get the 150 titanite from that. Then present unhealable to some element mixed battles so that player craps out at 200 w/o a bunch of retreat effort and 300-500 with a bunch of retreat effort.

First the incredibly boring CoW. Now changing the Dungeon, which for me was the best part of the game.

[serene yarrow]

again tonight

[flat holly]

summon 1

[proud mountain]

Complaining no use; because 🤬 Nexters does what 🤬 Nexters want!
I stopped playing Dungeon, and probably soon stop playing game, fun is gone! 😡

[tough carbon]

hello, i have a problem, i do not receive double reward during my first passages of the floors in the dungeon .
same thing for other player ?

[sleek crest]

never seen such case - remember that first 10-20 floors you do in a day are ones you already completed some previous day...
and numbers on rewards are shown already doubled if it is first clear

[tough carbon]

ok thx.
i Ithink my misunderstanding concerns the rewards that are shown

[sleek crest]

standard rewards:

double rewards for first clear:

[tough carbon]

ok that confirms my misunderstanding.
I thought we were getting 100 potions ( 50*2) but no.
Thank you for your time

[opal veldt]

They have deffently changed something. I used to be able to use cards for the firste multi battle without loss. Last few days i have seen battles where i lost almost all even one where i completely lost the fight. And that with fully healed titans as it was the first titan door of the day.

[stuck helm]

Hopefully we get an answer tomorrow, or at least by Wednesday.

[thin jolt]

have you all noticed if you try to bail out of a battle at the last minute it will not let you they have shortened the time on us

[sleek crest]

didn't notice such thing... successfully retreated from battle at 0:00 today several times

[latent summit]

I didn't notice that today...but since you have to retreat a LOT after these changes I don't find the dungeon as fun and I don't run it as much. This game has gone downhill for me...I hate CoW, dungeon isn't fun any more. I believe it's time to find a new game.

[granite lantern]

people find dungeon fun??!?!??

[latent summit]

I found (operative word) the dungeon fun. I'm at level 80000 - you have to be have been havingfun to get that deep in the dungeon

[granite lantern]

hmm. interesting

[delicate lichen]

Yes, there are sone crazy people like myself, who do 🤪 . I did crazy amounts of titanite before moooo war began then i ended up planning and had no time any more. And when i got back to the Dungeon during mooo break, i found it messed up, much harder than it was 3 months before. Before, for me, it was a form of relaxing monotinity.

I could do 30-40 checkpoints a day with the avarage time of 3 minutes and losing any titans. Now i have to retreat a lot, so is much slower and all 3 of my tanks are heavily damaged after less than 100 levels...

[stuck helm]

Dungeon is a battle of attrition now. Almost zero opportunities to heal. Just accepting least bad outcome you can manage.

[delicate lichen]

There are rumours, they fixed it... I will run some to check in the afternoon

[opal veldt]

This seems right. I only did 30 doors but none of the multicamps had tanks in them, max 2 supers, a good mix of the titans it seemed to be. Someone with maxed titans might be able to tell it better than me.

[ripe ice]

I can confirm it's fixed. 🙂 But I don't want to go further because 10 levels a day is enough ^^ @delicate lichen @latent summit

[delicate lichen]

Thank you. Just finished a 14 hour shift now, need some relaxing brain killing titanite mining 😄

[latent summit]

Yep...seems like a big change to me - just had a pleasant 1000 titanite run. @night charm give the developers our thanks!!!

[runic barn]

1000 titanie 😁

[teal meadow]

yep, might do a few more levels (all titans are back to 100% health) mostly back to normal it seems

[solemn moat]

I'm so Marverlous today, so I cleared 200 doors in Dungeon with 538K water 3 stars. All titans are still alive. Since I feel Sleepy, so I stop.

[night charm]

Not sure if there was an actual issue to fix, but I will double-check with the team whether they looked into the Dungeon once again and changed anything yesterday 😅

[latent summit]

Perhaps there was no change but there was some operational thing that triggered the MASSIVE change in the dungeon difficulty? Is there anyone within Nexters who plays Hero Wars recreationly who also does the dungeon? You could ask them if there was a change or not...but if you look at this thread or similar ones on HWC discord or social media you'll see there were over 60 individual separate players who complained about the dungeon difficulty change. It seems the current state of play is players know there was a big change but Nexters does not know what caused that change.

Perhaps a chronology as I remember it will help: There have been 3 dungeon increase modes since 22Dec2022:
1, 4E+Ignis/Araji with almost no fights without a super titan
2.4W+Eden/Araji + 3 Super titan mode with almost no fights without a super titan
3. 3 Super Titan fights 60% of the time with Araji+Eden the rest of the time and no (0) fights without a super titan

That was the progression we saw as players. There were these dramatic mode changes made - the Dungeon changed from 1 to 2 to 3 in like 3-4 day increments of each mode. I should have noted the dates of these changes; I did not note when these Dungeon stairstep/mode changes occurred however a careful rereading of this thread could determine that.

[delicate lichen]

if dozens of regular dungeon players state that its different from before then it most probably is. I myself can also confirm based on personally experiencing it. Now is indeed much better, though the mixed teams are still sligthly different than they were 3 months ago, but the difficulty is OK now.

Definitely better than 3 days ago, when my Moloch died after a miserable run of 70 lvls.

now all titans are still healthy an happy

[torpid parrot]

thats a lot of titanite

[delicate lichen]

no, it was only 150 levels 😉 . Before 🐮 started i did 300 or 400 daily.

[torpid parrot]

150 levels howw

i can barely do 10 before im too tired to keep clicking

[delicate lichen]

all maxed elemental titans 😉

[torpid parrot]

...

wanna trade titans :DDD

[delicate lichen]

i did this in August 😄

[delicate lichen]

hehe, sorry but not possible 😛

[torpid parrot]

aw

[torpid parrot]

you did more titanite each day then i do in one month lol

[delicate lichen]

😁

[torpid parrot]

i should probably do some more titanite now that i get 10 div cards...

[delicate lichen]

Yeah... I like digging out titanite. But then stupid mooo war started, i found myself planning it and had no more time for it 😦

[stuck helm]

To say there was no change whatsoever in the dungeon, or at least 2 changes if players are reporting a fix, is bigger gaslighting than anything coming out of news media.

[runic barn]

we sure dont love that cow

[latent summit]

Me too. I would often farm 3000 titanite/day because I like doing the dungeon - it's mindless and relaxing with a bit of 'oh heck, how am I going to get out of that mistake' thrown in for good measure.

Then the CoW drudgery came and I have to spend a ton of time finding the least team that can beat the assigned target since other later assignments need resources too. Cut way into my dungeon time...and therefore makes HW less fun overall.

[tough carbon]

thing is people who love dungeon dont love CoW and vice versa in general 😄 since both are time consuming stuff (CoW only if u r general that is, else 5 atk in 3 days aint even much lol) and people would like to invest time in only one

[delicate lichen]

I do like CoW in a certain way. Though the implementation should definitely be improved. But im actually PLANNING it, so yeah, no chance for titanite 😦

[delicate lichen]

Also, those of us who like dungeon are doing it for their own entertainment. CoW, especially planning we do for our guilds. I personally do it because i love my guild more than i hate Nexters....

[stable sable]

I'm still getting triple supers with ignis

[latent summit]

Here is what happened: Prior to 22Dec2022 the dungeon was 'easier'. After 22Dec2022 through 10Jan2023 Nexters threw increasing difficulty in the Dungeon at players culminating with the impossible to dive deep 09Jan2023 build. Then on 10Jan2023 Nexters reverted to the 22Dec2022 original increase in Dungeon difficulty - more 3xSupers, no non-super fights, 2xsupers + 3xsupers way more than 1x supers. After the 09Jan2022 Dungeon difficulty - which was hard at any level - reverting to the 22Dec2022 Dungeon difficulty makes the change more acceptable.

This is a pretty rotten way to do business - but it's Nexters game and they can do what they will. Somehow they must think this increases their bottom line...I don't see it, though. I'm a baby whale, used to love the dungeon but not the 'retreat-a-thon' it is now. Between CoW being such drudgery with absolutely pitiful rewards and Nexters removing the fun from the Dungeon I'm about to leave HW and spend my entertainment $$ elsewhere.

What irks me the most is that @night charm keeps saying there was no change to the Dungeon when every player who actually plays the Dungeon knows there has been a stairstep in difficulty starting from 22Dec2022, and from then through 09Jan2023 Nexters threw increasingly hard Dungeon battles at players.

[stable sable]

Well I don't think it's entirely fair to call out the community manager for whats happening in game. I don't know the dude, or how familiar he is with the game. But if there's some animosity to be had it should be with the developer.

But yeah, I'm retreating a bunch and it's really biting into my time. Which I don't appreciate

[latent summit]

You are right Mawbs, @night charm and the other CM's have a hard job. They get lied to by the devs or some management suit forces them to say 'there has been no change to the dungeon'. Players, who actually play the game, know this isn't the case and then get salty at the CM's. I realize now that it isn't fair to assume the CM's actually play HW - that would be like taking your job home 'for fun and without pay' - which is an unreasonable thing to assume or require of the CM's.

@night charm - I want to publicly apologize for any slight. We get it that you are passing on what you are told by the development team and/or are being forced by management to say.

[chilly fjord]

Dungeon seems to have changed again:( Now Eden is back in 3rd position 60-80% of mixed battles. Have done 150+ floors today and it seems consistent.

[runic barn]

i wonder what caused the whole dungeon issue to happen

[true pecan]

Daniel plays HW....of course, he wastes his time trying to learn how to play by watching Charlie's videos.

Fun fact: Back in 2020, CM's said on livestream that the devs who played the game absolutely hated the dungeon and had it on top of their list of things they wanted to change. I guess someone higher up the food chain directed them to make Asgard and then CoW and Light/Dark titans instead for moneymaking purposes. Add Isaac, Iris, Ishmael rework.....

[latent summit]

I do too. If we take as truth

1. the dev's statement that no Dungeon code was changed except back when the light/dark titans were introduced
2. the change in the dungeon first occurred on or around 22Dec2022
3. there seems to be a rotating set of changed opponents that last one or more days (e.g. 4E+1F or 4W+Eden or 3Super or 2Supers/Eden in 3rd pos, etc)

Then I would conclude the cause of this is either:

1. some operational activity is triggering a portion(s) of the dungeon opponent selection algorithm herebefore not seen
2. some code introduced during the light/dark titan revision is for unknown reasons just now manifesting as these changes
3. perhaps some combination of both

Only Nexters can answer which of these it is. Only Nexters can decide to fix this and devote some resources to doing so.

[runic barn]

👍

thanks for the insight

[latent summit]

I wonder if all these changes were implemented too soon? Brustar, as the 4th tank, will definitely change how easy the dungeon is. Brustar is an alternative to Sigurd on mixed fights. Therefore you will be able cheat more on how healthy Sigurd has to be at the end of each mixed fight since even if you get another mixed battle before a water-only fight you can bring Brustar in and run a 3W+Brustar+'to-heal titan' until the eventual water-only fight allows you to heal up Sigurd again.

Perhaps the devs realized this and made the dungeon harder in preparation for Brustar but somehow it operationally got triggered before Brustar was released?
.

This also occurs to me: the other light/dark titans are "throw away" - you use them in mixed fights when you have 100% healthy Earth and Fire titans (that is, you bring them in to avoid losing health on your Earth/Fire team). Because of this you don't care how sick (or even if they die) the other light/dark get. However you'll probably want to add Brustar to the list of potential 'to-heal' titans. I imagine he'll be last on the potential 'to-heal' titans, that is only heal Brustar after all the Earth and Fire titans are healthy.

[proud mountain]

At the beginning of this week I thought 'Hmm, Dungeon became easier, going nice', but today Sigurd was slaughtered within 3 fights, without any means to prevent it...
Very annoyed I stopped playing again. 😒

[stable sable]

I actually use Iyari to assist with healing in mixed fights cos no water totem

So don't consider her a throw away

Though after multiple Eden encounters, the single target heals dont help much

[terse geyser]

i used to crush dungeons but now i kinda got stuck att lvl 777 .. i guess i need to masivly boost my water team somehow since i get slaughterd now, hyperion used to solo carry this

[latent summit]

Even with max Earth/Fire/Water titans the new dungeon is harder. At my level it takes a lot more fineness and skill. When I was below 10000k dungeon levels I would not have been skilled or experienced enough to handle the dungeon as it is now.

[stuck helm]

Let's talk some manual skills. Fire is my weakest and least experienced. My best ideas for manual mode is to see if I can pair Ignis' ult with Araji's. Or pay attention to Moloch and Vulcan, make sure they don't waste an ult on a titan hanging on by a thread. Otherwise, I accept the divinity card, and check for the best option against an Eden.

For Earth, if Eden begins the fight fully charged, I wait for the opponents to walk to their positions to get maximum damage on enemy Sigurd. If Angus is already dead, I wait for Eden to throw his first attack to ult. Retreating often so Eden pulls down the proper enemy. If Eden is not fully charged, the gameplan is to make sure Hyperion doesn't ult against my team. Saving Eden's final ult to kill 2 enemies at once is my best plan to charge Eden for the next battle.

[latent summit]

A while back I wrote up the process I use. Here is a link to it:
#dungeon message

[sour gale]

im level 47 looking for a guild

[static tide]

@sour gale go to guild recruitment

[jagged wave]

i usually delay eden until he used one normal attack, even if hes fully charged.. worked better for me in the past
but now im not really doing dungeon anymore, bc i have far less time
(i only have 3 totem fragments, and no valkyries bc i dont like the idea of steady payments; last time i paid for this game was almost 2 years ago)

[terse geyser]

so i assume the disparity is that high becasue i used water a lot ? when i got artifacts unllocked was just killing everything with ult

now i can barely do anything ;p

[static tide]

yea ☹

[stuck helm]

With a full Earth team and Eden in 3rd position, I've tried both ways. Sometimes better to throw his first basic attack, sometimes not, depending on opponents. Factors include enemy Sigurd's ability to get his shield up or not, killing off the first opponent before enemy Hyperion heals, or changing the timing of Eden's pull down move. If only Avalon is in front of Eden, I think he almost always throws his 1st basic attack fast enough to wait.

I'm also playing with much weaker Earth teammates than Eden, and that could determine much of my gameplan. My Eden is at 87k, Angus at 37k, Avalon at 29k.

[jagged wave]

hm, if i dont use angus, i wont be able to win, as avalon is around yours, but angus/eden are much stronger, and i guess im also a bit further down the dungeon already ^^

[stuck helm]

Maybe. I'll hit 12,000 floors next week.

[runic barn]

because then everyone needs healing 😭

[latent summit]

My advice is always to first level up your water titans before obtaining your first totem so that totem is a the water totem. That then helps you run the dungeon dramatically which allows you lots of much needed gold in the mid game to early late game. It is very hard to progress the Dungeon w/o a water totem...and the stronger the totem is, the easier the dungeon becomes.

Now, of course, I never got that advise so I thought 'Og say fire gud!!!' so I got my fire totem first. Luckily my third totem was water...but until then I could do maybe 300 - 400 titanite and then I had no way to beat a titan opponent.

[stuck helm]

Fingers crossed I get a 3rd * water totem from blue spheres. I'm at 95k emeralds spent there, and I have no care to get all the way to 466k.

[latent summit]

I was extremely EXTREMELY lucky on the totems. I spent way way less than the 'bad luck protection' getting to 6* on my totems. I hope my very good fortune does not negatively affect your chances!

[ripe pumice]

How many emeralds?

[latent summit]

I didn't keep track after the water totem, but my water totem at 6* + fire 2* + 0 earth was 1,898,000 emeralds. Baby whale then 🙂

[ripe pumice]

Lucky

6+2

I’m at 3+3+1

[latent summit]

Over a long time I eventually got Earth which reduced the amount of damage on Earth only fights dramatically.

[static tide]

ooh

[stable sable]

I mean it's possible for me to make 420 consistently without a water totem. But the water totem would make it a lot easier.

I rarely get forced into all Fire fights. And my Eden one shots the entire Water team that it faces every time, so there is next to no damage build up on my earth team. The biggest issue is Water. And likely only because I 'understood' what was happening in Dungeon way too late and am only now trying to fix my titans.

[stuck helm]

Dungeon getting easier was definitely a mirage. Only 150-210 titanite per day. Long gone are the days I would get over 800.

[terse geyser]

i got 750 once, than i got so hard fight on next day ii didnt even make 150 xD

[terse geyser]

i can heal if i get all titans fights .. but thats it

without water totems

mort/hyperion .. sometimes iyarii but iyari needs a lot of reosurvces mort need just to not die xD

yes, thats why use mort

especialy with angus it works wonders

he has static 30% vmapirism so needs just some levels to not die from aoe

[tough carbon]

ty @jagged wave

[tough carbon]

damn so close to 1M

[latent summit]

I pushed it hard today...5427 titanite!

[fluid elk]

You use a program to do that?

[latent summit]

No. I love playing the dungeon. I had a bet that I could do over 5000 titanite in a day so I did it today. But tomorrow...not so much!

Or did you mean do I have a strategy on how I do that? To that, yes I do. I published it here for all to see:
#dungeon message

With that strategy, and pushing hard, I can get 850 low and 1100 high titanite/hour of play. I'll usually run for a couple hours, take a break, and if I feel like it run another hour or two. It took 7 hours, with breaks, to get 5427. And, to be honest, I'm more than a little burned out on the dungeon today!

[fluid elk]

💪

[brittle oracle]

I have 4* Hyperion with a 2x water totem and a3* Eden but no Araji. I have a super titan chest. I'm assuming it's much better to get Araji with than it would be to dump 250 souls into either Hyperion or Eden (both are at 0 souls toward their next level). I have no trouble getting 240+ every day in dungeon as is so mostly thinking long term

[latent summit]

IMHO, long term you definitely need Araji because you need to win the Fire-only battles with the least damage to Morloch as possible. At your stage if you do not have Araji then I'd work toward that.

Hyperion is great for keeping Sigurd alive before the first water totem fires...but after that you are much more relying on the Water totem to heal your titans than Hyperion so in terms of Water titans Sigurd > Hyperion.

In terms of Earth titans I run Earth-only without Angus. I find both Eden and Avalon much easier to heal in mixed battles than Angus. If you choose to follow my route then Avalon > Eden > Angus. However if you need Angus to survive the Earth-only fights then Angus > Avalon = Eden

[terse geyser]

my idea for survival for angus is morts vampirism ;p not sure how it works at deper levels in dungeon

[latent summit]

I don't find much use for Mort. He is useful sometimes when you must run 3W+Mort+'to-heal' titan when Sigurd is too sick to use. However, with Brustar I think Mort will never be used by me.

[runic barn]

👀 and i was trying to get 2000 😭

today...

i won't suceed, got like 900 titanite

wait no, 868 titanite.

[runic barn]

went over 1000 titanite as f2p

maybe i can get to 1250 but i will never accomplish dream of 2000 😢

[torpid parrot]

damn aragore is coming close to million

what server is aragore

[runic barn]

Final Results: 1.2K titanite

[latent summit]

Congrats riyal

[runic barn]

thanks 😀

still did not get to 7500 titanite

[latent summit]

I've never done 7500 titanite in a day. I was going to go for it one day...but I fell asleep and when I looked up my titans were lying dead on the floor 😦

[tough carbon]

Fb s 2

[stuck helm]

I've found Angus is easiest to heal when fully charged, so he hangs back and won't receive damage for quite some time. Or else I have to wait for a mixed battle vs a non-tank opponent.

If Brustar is positioned in front of Sigurd, that would be an absolute blessing🤞.

[silent socket]

Totally agree with this. You can only do 4W cycling in dungeon if you have a strong Water totem. The rest of the elements can come later but Water first.

[hushed sinew]

So, how broken is this game when I enter the Dungeon, face 1 hero team, then a Mixed (NO TOTEM) Titan team which then KILLS 11 OF MY MAX LEVEL ABS STAR TITANS!?!? This clearly prevents ANY progress, and hell, as a p2w player, I can't even buy my way up to beat that; it's literally impossible! When the game is already set to wear down the titan teams so we can't just go indefinitely in the Dungeon, it sure as F*** shouldn't be programmed to make us lose in ONE BATTLE!!!

[tough carbon]

How strong are those 11 titans?

In terms of power

[hushed sinew]

max level (all), max skins, (except dark/light), half at max artifacts (water and earth, fire all at 5 stars of 6).

There's nothing else besides totems to boost!

[tough carbon]

So you can't beat that dungeon team while using a water team with a maxed water totem without losing titans?

[peak sable]

what level are your totems? I'm only in bronze guild, so I don't get silver and gold trophies, so I've levelled up totems using emeralds - my fire totem is now level 93 with 5 stars, my water totem is about level 80 with 2 stars and my earth totem is only one star and about level 60 ish. totems certainly do help. a lot.

[latent summit]

There is a strategy that works on mixed titan battles. You must use all 4 water titans plus one other 'to-heal' titan. Usually the 'to-heal' titan is the sickest of the Earth or Fire titans. Did you try that combo? It is the essential strategy for an infinite Dungeon door run.

Your titans are very close to maximum. This guide would be helpful to you at your level:
#💬general message

It is a pain to do a 'mixed-titan' battle before your first 'water-only' battle since none of your water titans will have any energy. Depending on the opponent, you may need to retreat many times before you can successfully win that initial fight. Since this is your first titan fight all of your titans are at 100% health therefore which 'to-heal' titan you pick as your 5th is up to you. I always use Iyari or Mort but an easier fight would be to pick Eden or Avalon or Araji.

What level are you in the dungeon? There is a bit of a stair step in difficulty around 10000 +/- where you get a different, but not hugely harder, set of titans opponents. You'll then need to adjust to the new titan opponent sets as your stuns from Nova need to be more precise then. Once you've done that you won't find the dungeon increasing in difficulty that much thereafter.

[latent summit]

Does anyone have an opinion what happens to the dungeon difficulty IF you summon Brustar and level him?

[teal meadow]

i do not think that it will have a difference since the light/dark titans do not figure into the doors and they are not on the defensive teams as of now. If your regular titans are close to max it could help with the mixed battles and prolong how far you can do each day.

[stable sable]

So Brustar is basically Sigurd with a damage component?

[vernal crystal]

kind of

[shrewd temple]

Is anyone here lazy to grind in the dungeon like me?

[stable sable]

nope

[shrewd temple]

I am very lazy

just like reading books 😄

[latent summit]

I had a super push the on Sunday to win a bet that I could do more than 5k titanite in a day. I've been doing the lazy grind since - Only 2450 Monday and 1000 today.

[torpid parrot]

”lazy”grind still more than my monthly pull

[hushed sinew]

dungeon level 19181; there might be another stair step at 20K, maybe every 10K additional?
tyvm for the link!
one question: "to-heal"? I thought only Hyperion and Iyari had healing? They're the only ones showing it in their skills...

[terse geyser]

water totem heals, also morts ult give vamprisim to everyone

[tough carbon]

is it worth collecting over 150 titanite every day?

[sleek crest]

it is worth for whole guild together to collect 7500... or any reward tier possible to achieve

it is good to adjust personal goals to guild one.. but besides it - more titanite means also more titan potion and more important soul stones = stronger titans, absolute star titans sooner and more gold coming from titan soul shop

[latent summit]

the 'to-heal' titan is the titan you select to be healed by Hyperion somewhat but the water totem primarily.

[tough carbon]

and won't the enemy titans be too strong against mine?

[latent summit]

@tough carbon you should be trying out 4W+a 'to-heal' titan every time you get a mixed battle. If it is clear you are going to lose then hit 'esc' and retreat...you don't lose anything and you get a brand new retry. I don't know your titans or situations but I will tell you this: if your goal is to reap the gold and titan potion (and perhaps titan souls) from the dungeon then you will need to learn how to win and improve the health of the 'to-heal' titan using 4W+'to-heal' on every mixed titan fight. This is not going to be possible if your titans are especially weak...then really do what you will...however I'd suggest you try 4W+'to-heal' each time to get a feel for what you will need to do.

My 'How To' for maxed titans still has some gems for you. The 'Water Titan Only' fight section is something I've been using since I was at dungeon level 2000 or so. The suggested tactics of how to handle health may be impossible for you if you are very new/very low titan power but the general themes remain valid and relevant at all levels

[tough carbon]

I'm level 500 dungeon; but I don't know if I should get titanite up to 150 daily or max per day?
then won't the next day's titans be too strong for my team?

i don't have only Eden. My titans are 37 lvl

@latent summit I'm taking your advice on mixed battles

[latent summit]

I was told, and I think wrong, to only do 150 to 250 titanite max/day. I did that for a long time and was constantly gold starved in the mid and late game. Then a friend told me that he was making 5 million gold per day in the dungeon, but I needed to be deep in the dungeon to do that. So i started diving as deep as I could/day. I had to learn the tricks in the 'secret sauce' writeup myself...but eventually I got my titans leveled and I everything sorta snowballed from there.

So my advice is - go for it. You might hit roadblocks, but you'll have another day tomorrow with perhaps stronger titans.

[native jasper]

Ok thanks

[native jasper]

Mixed battles you want water totem to heal titans

[latent summit]

If that was a question, then...yes. If that was a statement then...I agree!

[shrewd temple]

Dude

that's great

Every day i only grind 150 Titanite

I usually focus on heros

[latent summit]

At first, I barely focused on heroes at all...I just leveled Titans. Then I got deep into playing the dungeon. Then I found I had a ton of gold - which was holding back my hero development - and I started working on heroes. Probably exactly backwards from most people.

[tough carbon]

@latent summit thank you very much for the exhaustive answer about the mechanics of the game

[native jasper]

Nice

[proud mountain]

Last weekend (Sat & Sun) it was going nice, but last 3 days at least 2 or 3 Super Titans in every mixed team.
Getting really tired of this fooling around... 😩

[latent summit]

I leveled up Brustar and got a bump in dungeon difficulty. At least this time it's correlated to one of my activities.

[midnight hawk]

Reeeeeee

[stoic delta]

Been using the new titans in dungeon and Brustar helps sustain damage well Morte heals him back up. Great for saving your other titans for single element fights only.

[vernal crystal]

i try to save mine for the multi fights actually, because it's their only chance to heal

[stoic delta]

Yeah Brustar is the farthest front line so he will tank most of the damage and you can put another tank behind him to heal up.

[vernal crystal]

nice. isn't he behind sigurd though?

[stoic delta]

OH IDK? I was using Earth?

[vernal crystal]

oh ok gotcha

yeah brustar is ahead of moloch and angus

[stoic delta]

Just Sigurd

[vernal crystal]

i see

once we get the light tank we can have 5-tank team 🤡

[stoic delta]

Yeah I'm wondering what that tanks ult is?

[vernal crystal]

yeah

also 5 supertitan team will be weird

[stoic delta]

Dark/Light might be good for GW cuz everyone uses Earth Fire Water so they can't counter attack Dark/Light?

[vernal crystal]

probably

[stoic delta]

Whale will probably be using this strategy?

[vernal crystal]

but dark/light on defense is bad because doesn't the attacker always have the advantage?

[vernal crystal]

yes 🐳

[stoic delta]

Yeah I'm just saying the Generals usually see Earth team and send in Fire team to counter. What do you send in against Dark/Light if no one in your guild has them?

Cuz no one wants to invest in the new titans? Might be tricky if one player upgrades them and no one else does?

[vernal crystal]

hmm perhaps

what does more damage, dark totem or fire totem

[stoic delta]

I go one star from random summon sphere and one coming from season if I get it to 2 it's not much different then my 3 star fire so might be fine to switch as long as I can get up the titans personal stats?

[vernal crystal]

perhaps

it's cool that the light totem prevents death no matter what level it is

[vernal crystal]

wow

[stoic delta]

Yeah I used that once in TOE and won because of it.

[vernal crystal]

cool

[stoic delta]

Dark does more and gives team health but fire gives team attack?

[vernal crystal]

hmm

[stoic delta]

I don't think Dark hits all though but Fire does as it rows through the enemy team.

[vernal crystal]

oh ok

dark hits the ones closest to the black hole

[stoic delta]

Oh wait the further they are the less they take.

[vernal crystal]

yep

but the ones in the middle absolutely die

pretty well ig

ew #😜off-topic lol

yeah not bad for first war of the season

sometimes it's quite lopsided

lol

gg

maybe they are lower in GW for their server

like if you are in gold and they are in silver, even if they are in an older server they are just weaker

how many accounts do you have

i see

oof i only have 2

nice

it takes me long enough for my 2 because both are vip 0

main has raid though

ouch? raid is awesome

oh

yeah i spend more time on that one actually

but it's all right since i'm in the same guild as a bunch of discord friends 🙂

no

the one with raid is much older

oh

oh i see

they're both low compared to the one in the middle though

meow

nice

yup

lol same avatar

wow 3 level 130 accounts

my main is level 109

Thanks! 🙂

[stoic delta]

@vernal crystal Forgot we were in dungeon so I deleted my none dungeon chatter.

[vernal crystal]

oh ok

i'd delete mine but i'm so lazy...

[stoic delta]

So use to being in general.

[vernal crystal]

yup

[stoic delta]

Mod's will probably do it for you.

[vernal crystal]

probably

ooh nice

brustar dolls are actually good

[stoic delta]

Not in my f2p account. I was getting low #'s and open 7 to get 2 to get none.🤬

[vernal crystal]

oof

[stoic delta]

Yeah and I was really hoping for super titan chest or at least a couple summon spheres cuz my silver guild doesn't do titanite.

[vernal crystal]

oh

i got 5 supertitan ss chests

i'm trying to get hyperion

[vernal crystal]

oof

[stoic delta]

Me Too!

[vernal crystal]

Water is my favorite element

[stoic delta]

I made sure 2 of my 5 account were water!

[vernal crystal]

nice

well, now i will actually go do the dungeon 🙂

[stoic delta]

Dungeon is so much easier with water.

[stoic delta]

Good luck! 😉

[vernal crystal]

thanks

[mint spruce]

heh, so im gonna build water on alt right?

[tough carbon]

how do you have all hearthstones ?

[torpid parrot]

heroes never get difficult huh

[sleek crest]

but 46 level so deep is a bit off...

[ripe pumice]

I sometimes see red heroes and sometimes blue ones

At 17000-18000

Still easy though

[feral bison]

I am just wondering if the dungeon has been changed today? Because today I was actually able to heal titans in the mixed battles again.

[warm geyser]

my titans remain dead in the dungeon for several days now...

[feral bison]

hm, okay maybe I was just lucky

[runic barn]

i think it was changed a while ago

[terse geyser]

i was running hot yessterday, crahsed hard today .. almost like diffculty of fgihts turned up to 11 suddenly ;/

but guess i am kinda screwed withouut water totem for dungeon runs in away

most of my guild mates have water teams and have easier time

if my mort dies early or i dont get 5x5 i am kinda scrweed

[dawn willow]

@night charm The dungeon was NOT changed. That is actually why it is harder now, especially for whales. The difficulty of the dungeon is partially based on the total titan power of all titans. Every time new titans are added, the dungeon becomes harder for everyone, especially anyone who maxs out the titans immediately. Anyone who wants to get far in the dungeon should not level the new titans at all. Star this comment if you want it fixed.

[tough carbon]

yes

[tough carbon]

even more yes

[umbral dust]

I don't think there is anything to fix. The tower is based on team level and total hero power. The dungeon is based on total titan power... That's the rule, since a lot... If a player wants all titans maxed, even those he/she never uses, it's his/her choice

[chilly fjord]

Not sure where you are getting your facts. The mixed battles maxes out at 670k power. Still is and has always been. The power of the titans you face in dungeon has nothing to do with your total titan power. It is based on how many times you have beaten that certain team (elemental or mixed).

The thing that has changed is the composition of the 670k mixed titan teams

[umbral dust]

It's easy to see when you're medium low level. When I have to fight using fire titans against earth titans, I got low level enemies, because I leved only Moloch and left Ignis and Vulcan to level 1 and Moloch can manage to beat the enemy team... When I have to use water titans, I fight much stronger titan teams, because I leved all three titans... when you use the "all titans" the enemy strenght is powered up by all your titans... the more titans you level... the stronger is the opponent (until you reach the CAP obviously)

[sleek crest]

not really...
enemy strength increase each time you defeat that element... doesn't matter how many titans youupgrade

so if you fight 100 fight against water, 200 against mixed and 10 against fire - it willresult with weakest fire enemies and strongest mixed

[umbral dust]

I ensure you it's not like that. I always fight with my fire Moloch titans (only Moloch leveled) and nearly never with my hearth titans (two titans leveled) but when I look at the opponent, the opponents of my fire titans are always lower level than the opponents of my earth elements... just because my hearts are more leveled than my fires

But pheraps it is only a personal suggestion and my perception is influenced by my belif

I will write down the opponent levels for a while to understand better how it works

[chilly fjord]

Hi Leilond. Not sure how long you have played, but it is well established how the enemy power works in the dungeon. https://hero-wars.fandom.com/wiki/Guild/Dungeon. In the beginning it may feel like the difficulty is increased when you power your titans, but trust me it is not. My total titan power is now 2M and the power of the titans I face in dungeon is exactly the same as when my total titan power was 1-1.2M.

[terse geyser]

debren is correct

the more you fight of same type the harder it gets

[umbral dust]

That makes sense in some way

As I said, pheraps is only a personal suggestion

[terse geyser]

i kept spamming water types and aovided fire, reacheda point where my water have twice as strong opoenets as my fire ones

[chilly fjord]

Me too. When my water fights maxed out at 396k my earth and fire fights were still at 120-150k power

[umbral dust]

Well the site you linked me, pointed in another page on the same site that says that the final difficulty is influenced by your titans levels... with both the team use and the team level to make the dungeon difficulty raise... (https://hero-wars.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Gagateam/Dungeon_Strategy)

Reading that page it look like both rules apply

By the way I appreciate your patience with a lower experienced player 😄

[chilly fjord]

Not sure about this user blog, but ok. At lower lever there might be something there. However, this has nothing to do the discussion above. Levelling up light/dark titans will have no impact when all your other titans already are at level 120. The discussion about changes in dungeon refers to maxed out mixed battles. There have been several changes since December 22th that has had a severe negative impact on dungeon

Currently we are only facing Sigurd/Moluch + 3 other. A few days ago it was only Araji/Hyperion + 3 other. A couple of weeks ago it was the insanely difficult triple super titans with Eden in 3rd position. At the end of December it was basically 4 earth + other. Despite several players reporting this Nexters insists there has been no change.

[fluid elk]

💯

[latent summit]

I did an experiment. The dungeon was reset back to the pre 22Dec2022 difficulty several days ago (thank you Nexters and @night charm !) I purposely did not summon nor level Brustar until I had enough titan soul stones to 4* him; I already had enough potions to max him, enough titan skin stones to max him, and enough doodads to get 2 of his artifacts summoned and brought to 120. Just before my daily reset I did all of that - my Brustar power is 122K.

After summoning and leveling Brustar the dungeon changed but not significantly. There is a small but increased chance of 3 super titans. There is an increase in Eden+Araji fights - however Araji is in the 3rd position so it isn't any harder, just more of them. The percentage of non-super fights didn't seem to change. The main change was seeing 3tanks + Araji + Eden - not harder, just took a bit of adjustments.

When Nexters changes the difficulty it is hugely different - the roller coaster of changes on and after 22Dec2022 through last week dramatically increased the difficulty of mixed fights. When I change the difficulty through upgrading my total titan strength the changes seemed much more minor.

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[latent summit]

I am trying to get Nexters to consider adding the ability to fight Osh into the Guild Battle chat or in a challenge to another player. Would you please consider adding a star to this: #💬general message

[terse geyser]

i did face triple super at benging of the day and my mian tank died xD bad run today xD

i progressed too fast compared to what i have i think ^^

[umbral dust]

Thanks a lot for doing this test! So we can say that total titans power change the difficulty, but not much (if you already have a lot of maxed titans). For low level players the change can be more significant, because we have less titans maxed. Let's think a player has only 5 titans leveld good... adding a 6th titan will grow the total titan power by 1/5, while if you already have 10th titan maxed, adding the 11th, will increase the total power by 1/10... So, keeping the total titan power under control, it's more a low/medium level issue

[latent summit]

I think the following is the best leveling order for the dungeon:

1. water totem > earth totem > fire totem
2. when in doubt in terms of leveling water > earth > fire
3. tank > supers > Nova > Avalon > Mairi > Sylva > rest

I believe if you follow that priority you'll be able to do the maximum number of doors in the dungeon as quickly as possible. I switched to this priority once I'd made a mistake or three (got a fire totem first out of ignorance, then started developing my fire team) and found that my dungeon progress was rapid. Using this schedule I always leveled whenever I could. Once on this plan I never had an issue of the power of opponents for mixed outstripping my teams; most of my problems leveling were play skill and coming up with the right 'to-heal' priorities.

Your opinions and experience may vary.

[umbral dust]

I'm working on it... I got the water totem and I'm waiting to have enough emeralds to reach 45000 spent to get the second water totem fragment... For the rest I'm following the priority you exposed because they're the same I found here and there when I was looking for advices about the best leveling strategies... At this moment the problem is that opponent titans sometimes die too quickly and I do not benefit of the totem healing enough... Pheraps I leveled the seal a bit too much and the attack bonus make my titans hit too hard by now... I think things are going to slowly fix, expecially when that dam Hyperion soul stones will start to drop a bit more 😄

[terse geyser]

the more you beat them the harder they become dont wory about it

when i unlocked artifact i went on like 120 floors run, but than enemies became so hard hyeprion couldnt do much anymore

need 3 ults instead of 1

i am torn on avalon vs sylva. the avalon shield is pretty small

[jagged wave]

zogs guide is for guys with maxed water totem 😉
unless u have that, it wont work

or well - it works to a certain point.. i have a 2* water, and at lvl 13k im hitting a wall ^^

im not even doing dungeon daily anymore bc if i did i wouldnt be able to do the 20 new levels

[terse geyser]

i got destroyed today early at lvl 1020 😦 3 supers as first fight

[jagged wave]

ah ok

[terse geyser]

yah it was not 120 xD somehow 0 didnt come up

super titans start appear at lvl 600

[jagged wave]

lvl 120 i think i had after maybe a week of playing

but no idea when i had 1k..

maybe 2 months? within the first year, i had an average of 20/day every day..
so thats 50 days+-2 i guess

[terse geyser]

i reached it this week - 6 weeks into and i fee like i rushed it too hard and hitting walls now - i only have 1* earth totem

[jagged wave]

with non-water, u hitting walls much earlier than if u had water

if u dont spend on a regular basis, everything but water just sucks

[terse geyser]

i am prettu sure it does - my only way to heal is hyperion and mort but if mort dies early due to supertitans its scrweed

sometimes i make deep runs but its luck for mort to not die - or i need to bring mort more

[jagged wave]

anyway, i think once ur at 2* lvl 80, u can have quite good results again, bc avalon+ totem will shield much and early

[terse geyser]

i will get it from elemntal season

[jagged wave]

i never did deep runs after trying it once.. it hurt me in the long run (did like 1100 titanite one day, all titans still healthy)

[terse geyser]

not sure if lvl 80 tohugh, how high you can get for silver tokens ?

[terse geyser]

yah - i made it once and notice it was stupid idea

[jagged wave]

80 🙂

[terse geyser]

80 good, i noticed buch of TOE opoents had level 60 totems so i asusme the roadblock is at 60

either 40, 60 most had

[jagged wave]

im here

[jagged wave]

toe scales with u, once ur stronger, u will face maxed totems in early stages 😂

[terse geyser]

too me it varies so much, sometimes i get stuck at stage 4 sometime is reach 6

[jagged wave]

yea, completely normal. i usually get to 7, but sometimes get stuck at 4

[terse geyser]

cant pass 6 with 75k power team xD

[jagged wave]

bc they sometimes throw a mini team with huge totem at u

[jagged wave]

yea, also normal

[terse geyser]

my guild mate lucker got second totem fragment from shperes within first month of playing ^^

[umbral dust]

I heard about that... for this reason, for now, I stop leveling down after I get my 150 titanite for the daily quest, until I see that my titans heal enough

[jagged wave]

yea, i did the same, worked for 1.5 years with a 2* water
now im too weak, and also cant level up that much anymore without starting to pay

because.

[terse geyser]

i am right now with this 70 hero dungeon fifghts quest for season so i wanna kinda get a bit deeper ;p like 40 floors

but 30 will do fine will just take longer

but i crashed today early anyway 14 fights, but thats okay need only 10 per day

[umbral dust]

Exactly... that quest start tomorrow for me... An average 10 hero fights per day are required... I thing it won't be that hard

[terse geyser]

10 per day is not hard, especialy if you didnt go deep, i am past lvl 1000 with low levels and lvl 1 earth totem xd
when i first went on my 750 titanien i was like "WoW this is so easy wi wil be keep going deep into dungeon more now " 😄 than next day i had brutal awaking its not like that

[jagged wave]

especally with that, i will only do 30 per day, which translates to 15 hero fights.
if i manage that for 4 days and then 10 on day 5, im done

[terse geyser]

yah

[jagged wave]

dungeon lvl 13280 😂

[storm stag]

Can i see anywhere, how many emeralds/titan artifact spheres i am away from the next bad luck protection totem fragment?

[feral bison]

No, you have to ask the support (or use a 3rd party tool)

[storm stag]

they told me i have a message from raymond....where can i see this?

[sleek crest]

Menu button in top right, then Support

[latent summit]

You need to balance your attacks. You need to do enough ults to win, but no more. I very often have 10 seconds toward the end of the fight where I do not ult any titan. This often gives me two full water totems full of healing.

My goal is to have Nova and Mairi charged and in reserve. I want to end the fight with them both charged at 100%, however, I will always sacrifice their charge late in the fight to accomplish these goals:

• the 'to-heal' titan is fully healed
• Sigurd health is > 50%
• the Water team is 'healthy'.

I can't tell you any exact measurements for what 'the Water team is healthy' means - over time I have a feel for what Water team health I need to win the next fight if a Water-only battle doesn't come first and allow me to heal all the Water titans. Generally, though, if Sigurd is 100% charged then I can cheat on his health. I keep a thought on what the health of the next 'to-heal' titan will be - the healthier that titan is the less healthy I can accept on the Water team.

However, I am conservative - I retreat and retry way more than I must...but in the end I then have a healthier team with more energy going into the next fight.

[latent summit]

Avalon fully leveled can tank for 1 or 2 battles. Avalon is super easy to heal in the mixed battles because she is in the 3rd position. Her shield is great in the mixed fights because she can shield just before Sylva ults and the team takes no AOE damage from Sylva. That is the reason for suggesting Avalon > Sylva in leveling.

As you progress your Earth team it will eventually be possible to run Earth-only battles with Avalon+Eden+Sylva (that is without the Earth tank Angus). Angus takes damage at a rate that is about 40% lower than Avalon - which is not that much - but since he fights in the 2nd position he is much harder to heal. I throw Angus in when in an Earth-only battle Avalon will die - he is essentially a meat shield.

[latent summit]

There are some walls you hit between 1000 and about 8000. However it is very rewarding to keep on diving deep and leveling your titans past those walls. At 8000 level you are making enough gold that the dungeon + the tower keep you from being gold starved all the time. Once you are past 10000 you can do the 25million for the Osh fights, level whenever possible in Ascension, and have some reserve gold for when you need it to build weapon/armor items.

After a while gold is just a bragging number. I'm just shy of 2billion gold - I'll never spend it all.

[torpid parrot]

i think u might be able to spend it all somehow

get rid of gote on every single hero, refill, and repeat

itll drain eventually

[latent summit]

LOL - hadn't thought of that as a way to just dump gold. But that sounds like it would take a lot of time...and I'd rather spend my time playing the dungeon or helping people out with the dungeon here!

[torpid parrot]

lol

[terse geyser]

i cant wait when gold will not become iissue ;p

[torpid parrot]

me too

[terse geyser]

infinite ammounts needed - titans - heroe skills - gift of elements etc

i am not even talking ascension

[torpid parrot]

asgard buffs too

[terse geyser]

though i dont have crystals for ascenscion really ;p

[torpid parrot]

i need to buy a few to deal some decent damage on osh

[torpid parrot]

lol

[terse geyser]

i am stuck on first levels of crystals yet

not a single lvl 1 branch maxed and missing a lot

[torpid parrot]

slowly passing those stages on main heroes

most are in rank 2 now, some are rank 3, one is close to rank4

[terse geyser]

i had a box with 500 crystal on winterfest when new but a bit on rush opened 200 of them on strenht not knowing i will need agilty the most

[torpid parrot]

bruh how do i get 2 successful defense with that team

[terse geyser]

but at leeast only 200 and not all

violet mara or no ?

[torpid parrot]

im just confused on why they dont seem to be able to just oneshot everyone....

wheres the whales that kill me with 800k -900k teams

when my def is 360k

and then now that its 230k those whales don't attack me

[latent summit]

@torpid parrot are you sure they are not just skipping over you?

[torpid parrot]

for some reason they nearly never missed the chance to attack me...... before i changed my def team so i could fall ranks

[latent summit]

Well...problem solved! 🙂

[torpid parrot]

lol change my def team back

now ill fall ranks kekw

[terse geyser]

I am unable though, my titans are barely up to lv 47 but mostly lower mostly 3 sometimes 4 stars, i went to deep and moving evne high enough for dialy 150 titanite is actualy big struggle now

looks like i rushed it to early compared to\ what i have - my total titan power is like 220th on a server yet i am like 84th in terms of dungeon depth on a server ^^^

[vapid ermine]

that will be like 4+ years befor you can buy asgard buffs unless you buy befor eachthing max skills and stuff

[terse geyser]

yah i am not touching thnem any soon

[latent summit]

A few of us are bouncing around the concept for a Titan Adventure feature addition. Please consider giving this a star (and giving your suggestions for improving the concept!)

#📝game-discussion message

[runic barn]

a titan adventure feature 🤔

[delicate lichen]

Do we not have enough stuff to do already?

[umbral dust]

It can be that you have to use energy to do that... thus you have to choice if farm for items in hero advendures or farm other things in titan adventures... no "more things to do" but "choice between two things to do"

[tough carbon]

🎉

@night charm to celebrate this marvellous achievment of Aragore being the first player to breach 1 million dungeon level, i think all of us should be given a gift 😄

[granite lantern]

yes totally

or just give him some stuff

[terse geyser]

give everyonbe chance to catchup and give a lot of titan pots 😄

why

so what skinstones ? XD

would be nice too

totem is too much too ask i am afraid 😉

i read if yuo would have all maxed totem prize is 200 000 emeralds 😄

[delicate lichen]

why? What do we have to lose by asking? 😉

[stuck helm]

Floor 12127, very surprised to be facing 4 titans in my water solo battle! I quickly retreated just to process the change.

[languid sparrow]

smart move

[proud mountain]

So it seems Dungeon is easy on the weekend, but let's put as many Super Titans (and Tanks) in 1 team as possible from Mon to Fri... Why does it have to be this way? Soooo frustrating... 😩

[latent summit]

I am hoping to get enough stars that the HW <CM>'s will respond to a request to add light/dark totem artifact fragments for purchase at the Titan merchant. Would you please consider adding a star to this:

#📝game-discussion message

[stuck helm]

Dungeon is rough these days. For weeks I could only get 150-210 titanite before VF. Today, after a mixed battle to start out, my Sigurd died on the first floor, and I only got 90 titanite.

[latent summit]

I gave up today. It used to be 'the Dungeon' Now it is 'Retreatathon' I could go on, but I'm bored with it

[sand brook]

Happens to me if second fight is mixed.... then I struggle the following ones because energy is main source of problem

[terse geyser]

yah my angus i invested most with died on second mixed fight -.-

[latent summit]

For water only fights try this: Let Morlock autoattack hit Sigurd, then let Sigurd's autoattack hit Morlock then immediately use Sigurd's ultimate/shield. When the timer gets to 1:51 release Mairi's speed up. That is a trick I use

[silver thorn]

another day with 4 opposite element fights conitinuos!!!! 😡

[latent summit]

The dungeon now requires much more precise play for me as well. I have now started to track the opponents I see on mixed battles. I personally have not seen a single 'non super' fight today. Anecdotal I know...but in the past non-super fights were at least 20% of the battles.

[terse geyser]

mairi speed up ? i tohught miari does dmg decrease

[silver thorn]

I have saw your texts, I didnt have mixed battles in 10 floors, 1 water, 3 fire/earth, 1 fire. I'm water team 😦

[terse geyser]

that happens too

[silver thorn]

I mixed is ok for me, but 0 mixed in 10 floors, so difficult

[velvet heron]

hmm, testing

[stable sparrow]

Roundabout#4900 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[latent summit]

What dungeon level are you at? When I play Brustar as a tank it is solely as a meat shield as he always dies.

[runic barn]

im pretty sure they are at 1500

[candid bobcat]

Error: consumableUseTitanXp:NotEnough

I was trying to evolve Sylva from 4 stars to 5,
confirming that I was willing to spend 1,250,000 gold,
yet after repeated clicking of the EVOLVE button,
nothing happened other than the button slightly
changing color. I exited it, then leveled up Avalon
from level 35 to 40, then got this error message:

consumableUseTitanXp:NotEnough :
consumable #20
    [Reload the game]

Anyways, my leveling-up potions went into the
bit bucket, but I was able to evolve Sylva.
Hoping to get my potions back.

[native jasper]

Damn

[latent summit]

Did you use enough potions to have them at 120 first? I don't know for a fact that that is the problem, but it seems like long back I got something like that and in the end I had to level the titan to be able to progress something. A couple years back so I am fuzzy on the details.

[ripe pumice]

Did you have enough titan potions?

Also 1000 titan potions isn’t a very big loss

[candid bobcat]

Yeah, I got them back, thanks.

Well, I tried to evolve Sylva, didn't work, upgraded Avalon, then got the error, and after reloading, Avalon was back to her starting level (35).

[candid bobcat]

Looks like I've been check-pointed back to before my titan potion purchases.

Works for me, thanks.

[runic reef]

Water totem great! I absolutely need an Earth totem and a fire totem

[proud mountain]

Today haven't seen any mixed teams without Araji and Eden, preferable also Hyperion was in.
Why does it have to be like this...?
But ok, I/we can complain whatever we want, but surely the folks at Nexters don't have the guts to comment here!

[vernal crystal]

i'm actually doing dungeon right now. rare moment

usually i'm lazy lol

[vernal crystal]

i don't know. I actually had some with no supertitans at all today

wow patience needed

😭

nova tank

[silver thorn]

hi everyone, what does depend on the power of titans group in the dungeon? is it an average? is it about the most powerful titan? does anyone know?

[terse geyser]

how much you fight with specific type matters a lot

if you keep doing water fights, you will get harder and harder enemies etc

afaik your highest titan level affecs it too

[umbral dust]

There are two things that make it: first, and most important, how many times you beat a specific type of battle (Water, Earth, Fire or mixed Titan battle); the second things that influence the difficulty (a user tested it deeply last week and confirmed me what I read in the wiki) is the total power of your titans. Thus, the more you battle with fire against earth, the hardest will be the next fire against earth battle. The more titans you level up, the more difficult will be the relative battle, thus, if you find very difficult to dig the dungeon, consider to stop leveling titans you do not use (light or dark, because you'll always have to use the other three elements) and consider to level a bit more your tanks and they're crown artifact and the seals

[latent summit]

I haven't been playing much lately - real life - but in the last 38 mixed titan battles I had zero (0) mixed fights with no super titans.

[silver thorn]

you mean, all my tanks? sigurd, moloch and angus, because I only level up sigurd time ago and his crown

[umbral dust]

All three tanks, because every dungeon run, you're forced sometimes to fight with an element (only earth, only water or only fire battle) and in that battle crowns can really help to keep the damage to your tank under control (and seal too hepls a lot, because more life and more damage)

[latent summit]

Higher titan power = harder dungeon except:

1. for single element fights your total team power does not affect opponents power, only by the total power of the element you fight with.
2. for mixed fights a big factor is which element has the highest total power. This affects the composition of the opponents on mixed battles (which may make it harder for you)
3. once you get to max power titans then there is no change to single element titan opponents.
4. once you get to max power Earth/Fire/Water titans then with no other changes the dungeon only gets marginally harder the deeper you go after ~level 18000
5. However, your total team power - which includes light/dark titans - does affect the composition and the difficulty of the mixed titan fights.

Therefore, since the light/dark titans are essentially worthless now, if your goal is go deep in the dungeon I wouldn't level/ascend them at all.

[silver thorn]

I would like to fight only with Eden and with Araji/ignis, but at the moment they are not enough power. Some people with water team can do this

[silver thorn]

but.. is it an average by each element when I fight one color?

[umbral dust]

Hyperion and Water totem can make your runs much easier. When I go into mixed fights, I usually put my four water titans and an additional tank (Moloch or Angus) that need to be healed... If you do not run too deep for your level, you can use mixed fights to cure a lot (if not totally) your tanks for the next single element battle.

[umbral dust]

No, when you face a single element fight the total power of all your titans do not matter. It is more important how many times you already battled and won in that single element fight in this and previous runs

[silver thorn]

yes, I did that, I heal the other in the mixed battles, not the tanks really, but sometimes yes

[umbral dust]

I always heal Angus and Moloch in my mixed if they're less than 75% or the like
You'll see where you need leveling. If you find you're struggling during the only earth fights, it means it's time to level up your earth titans (expecially the tank) and their artifact (expecially for the tank). If you struggle when you have only fire, it's time to level fire titans and so on. If you collect enough titanite to collect AT LEAST your daily rewards (150+ titanite) without trouble, you can consider to continue the way you are... By the way, if you can go down a bit more without too much trouble, it is obviously good because you collect titan potions and titan soul stone too... But beware to goo too deep or you can "hit a wall"... thus, if you start to have trouble, stop digging hard and level up what needs to be leveled

[terse geyser]

yah i hit the wall heard going to fast arouind lvl 1000

i got out of it with some help .. but at some point i was getting destroyed so early ;/

[stuck helm]

Nexters claims to not be aware of any such problem we've experienced for about 5 or 6 weeks now.

[latent summit]

I remain of the opinion this is an inadvertent bug added when the light/dark titans were added. Even with our many complaints I also believe Nexters has so darn many problems with CoW that they don't have resources to look into this. So...suffer on my comrades!

[runic barn]

ima settle for 75 titanite on pirate account

[stuck helm]

Oh dear. With all the CoW complaints, they may never get around to the dungeon!

[runic reef]

I need the Fire Totem for the Dungeon with the Fire Titans

[silver thorn]

"dungeon is easy", 😰 😢

how to stund Araji and Eden ...

[plain aurora]

in that case, probably just use sigurd's shield when Araji starts ult, and for Eden you'll have to get really really lucky on where he stands to stun

[silver thorn]

Yes, really lucky. That's my point

[plain aurora]

I've done it before. it depends on how far Eden stands

[umbral dust]

The problem is that moloch usually ulti before araji... Sigurd will be stunned and won't be able to use the shield against araji

[silver thorn]

I had lucky to be honest, because I killed moloch, Eden took Araji enemy, and nova stund Eden enemy

but I was really difficult, because Ignis and Sylvia are in the back line

[crimson void]

Hello, I have a question about the fire totem against the earth totem. Earth totem reflects damages on the enemy team. Does it apply to the fire totem damages ? Or does the fire totem consumes the earth totem barrier (like the water totem damages do) ?

[silver thorn]

the totem fire damage?, it doesn't. The idea is destroy its with the fire totem

[sleek crest]

it doesn't reflect dmg on enemy team... it reflects on attacker

so this dmg is reflected back on totem...

[sullen marsh]

Im planning to get second totem. I had light totem right now. Which totem better? should i evolve light totem? anyone with high experience on light totem can give me some advice?

[crimson void]

Hello, ok thank you for the answers @sleek crest @tough carbon 🙂

[vernal crystal]

#💬general message Please star

[jagged wave]

depends on your budget.
if u spend a lot, so that u can max a totem, fire is best, as u can beat everything with fire at the moment

but that can change once we get the new super titans for dark and light.
so, maybe wait a bit there

if u dont pay, stick to the totem u have now, then its best to have one OK-ish team, instead of 2 weak ones

[jagged wave]

if u read my post word for word, u will see that i stated it depends on budget.

if u have all old ones at 5 stars, fire is still the worst.
u have to max it in order to have it useful

also, if u cant play manually bc of health issues or stubborness, fire is also the worst (i had both in my guild)

ofc those players had fire and thus have been useless

[latent summit]

If you have the budget leveling Water totem is the best for the Dungeon. Full stop.

[thin jolt]

i agree with Zog water is the best in dungeon because they will always beat fire and they will heal fire and earth team mates when you get them strong enough

but to beat eden you must play in manual and line up nova opposite eden and when he picks up his boulder fire nova

[sullen marsh]

Thx. It has given lot of insight to me

[winter marlin]

Is there a way to start back at the beginning of the dungeon?

[terse geyser]

nope

if you hit wall its kinda screwed until oyu get serius tita uprades

[winter marlin]

Yeah, I hit a wall

[terse geyser]

been there

[umbral dust]

I pushed a bit more than usually, to get some titan skin stones from the event and I started to feel the difficulty scale... I will slow down again to 150 daily titanire... I don't want to hit that wall 😄

[terse geyser]

i rushed once to 750 titanie

and hit wall hard

[umbral dust]

I will be prudent 😄

[jagged wave]

they really dont want me to play dungeon.. first titan fight today, looks fun

[boreal fiber]

oh same ):
my sigurd was going to die according to the cards and then died no matter what on manual

Finding titan GW targets is so much easier now than dungeon \🤣

[light root]

"easy victory"

[sleek crest]

when did they change dungeon so enemy supertitans start combat with ult?

[stuck helm]

Say it isn't so...

[sleek crest]

i don't worry about eden... just about this stone falling on my titan's heads

dungeon affected, guild war affected, asgard affected...
can't remember any in ToE and sanctuary though...

[latent summit]

I have been writing down my opponents in the dungeon for a week now. I have not had one fight that didn't have at least one super titan. Zero, nil, nada cases where there were no-super-titan opponents. I had thought they were reduced...but didn't realize that EVERY mixed opponent had at least 1 super titan.

Anyone else seeing that too?

[sleek crest]

my titans are not maxed... and fights without st are still happening, though 3 tanks are not much easier

but st, or any titan, fully charged right from start of fight is a bit to much

[vernal crystal]

No, sometimes I have mixed titan fights where there were no supertitans. I'll post one if I see it.

[broken sparrow]

Is this your second (or later) attempt on this particular squad? It appears to be the case that titan fights in the dungeon are much like guild war fights - when an enemy squad is not defeated, their energy is (partially) charged (this does not apply to retreating, only to actually losing the fight). I have also been running into this issue as of late. By the way, this phenomenon can also be observed in element specific fights if one loses the first fight (but still has titans left of that element that one did not field during the first fight)

[umbral dust]

If you already lost a mixed fight against this team, they have the energy left from previous battle, like in wars

[ripe pumice]

They keep their energy

[sleek crest]

but they shouldn't keep it after retreat

[umbral dust]

If you lose a battle they start next with the enegy they have... If you retire now the energy is not reset to zero but to the energy they had after the firt battle

[ripe pumice]

Not retreat

[sleek crest]

or just happens when you hit this retreat at certain moment of fight...
several possible reasons but al of them are script errors

[latent summit]

I've used retreat slightly less than 2^google zillion times. I've never noticed this effect - is this new?

[sleek crest]

seen it first time

[ripe pumice]

Yes I know what he’s saying but this has never happened before so I was unsure if he got mistaken

[past thorn]

Well, that’s not ideal. All my titans died on floor 100, right at the end of today’s 20 floor run.

[hallow marlin]

I have had to do a lot more retreats lately in all skates, but haven't seen opponents titans come up juiced at all that I've noticed. I'll watch for it today.

as far as super titans, yes it's been a long time since I have NOT seen a super titan in the all skates, months probably. What gets me now is when they send out three.. ugh, lots of retreating until I get it just right.

[latent summit]

Once again @night charm has said the developers did not change the dungeon code since 22Dec2022. However, we all know the dungeon _ HAS _ changed since then.

Let's assume both are true. Therefore there must be some other change - such as the introduction of new titans - that has interacted with the existing Dungeon code to cause the weird mixed titan changes we see. To figure this out, and hopefully change the Dungeon back to what it was, Nexters will need to invest some developer time to look at the mixed titan opponent logic and see what is causing this change.

Would you please star this up so we can keep this issue in front of Nexters? Thanks!

[granite lantern]

eden: do u even lift bro

[storm stag]

yes, when "any element" is your 1st fight of the day, when no one is loaded, it is a waste of time ...

[umbral dust]

Well... In the wiki it is written that mixed fight difficulty is base ALSO on your total titan power... If you max your light and dark titans your total titan power is much higher... Thus I think that YES, new titans influenced the difficulty and NO, they didn't changed the code

[tough carbon]

da brueh

[tough carbon]

Yeah, now there's not only the change but also some bugs

who keeps adding and taking out star am angri

[ripe pumice]

Moi

[tough carbon]

breu

[ripe pumice]

🗿

[umbral dust]

P

[stuck helm]

I do not have maxed titans (main team of Sigurd + Nova + Supers is just under 500k), but I also haven't increased new titans that much. First wave of new titans between 14k - 10k, and Brustar under 2k. The difficulty increased for me at precisely the same time as @latent summit continuously references, December 22nd of last year. I used to consistently reach 600-800 titanite throughout the fall. Now, my Sigurd dies before I reach 150 nearly every time, and sometimes I'm done at 90 titanite.

Now, is it possible this 45k increase in overall titan power added to it? But, why didn't we notice an increase in October/November, and not until late December? Maybe that's when I first got the new titans to 5 stars, and a large group of players that pay some, but not much, also crossed that threshold just before Xmas.

To give some benefit of the doubt, I'm also saving a lot of resources since the fall. I have 180k of titan potions and 119k of titan skin stones saved up. Would I have not simply hit a wall if I put these resources into my main team? Would my titanite double, or sometimes quadruple if I used these resources overnight?

[sour sapphire]

Nice bug

[vernal crystal]

solo hyperion?

[sour sapphire]

3 divination cards, won't let me skip.

[vernal crystal]

because it says that you will die

if you will die you can't skip it, that will cheat death

[sour sapphire]

Ah, thanks.

Makes sense then

Yeah, he'd die there.

[vernal crystal]

yeah, usually i use those to skip hero battles

[sour sapphire]

Not to a level that threatens my hero team at all.

Even at 1090

[sleek crest]

divination cards are not skip battle actually - it is "complete battle in auto mode"

[sour sapphire]

Yeah, thanks.

[umbral dust]

Never use cards for titans battles. Play it manually to better time skill use and prevent skill use at the end of the battle to keep energy for the start of next one

[vernal crystal]

👍

use the cards to skip heroes

[sand hemlock]

I use cards on heroes due to time loading of map. for me, hero map is loading much slower than titans, and everyone wants spend less time on this job 🙂

[vernal crystal]

No supertitans here! The dungeon has been ok for me lately

[signal sphinx]

To progress through dungeons, I need to lvl up titans from all elements including those I don't play.. That's true right? No way to leave them low and only focus on two elements?

[umbral dust]

Nope... Every now and then you'll be forced to play only earth, only fire and only water battles, and mixed battles... thus you must keep all the elements more or less leveled (the more battle you fight of one type water/fire/earth/mixed the more difficult will be the next battle of that type). Sometimes you have to choose between two elements, sometimes you have to chose between an element and mixed. The only titans that are not necessary are light and dark, because in the dungeon there aren't battles where you have to use such a team

[signal sphinx]

So say if I were to play 20 rounds (i.e. two floors) but don't save the progress - and if I replay those two floors the next day, will difficulty be the same or advanced cos I cleared the 20 rounds the day before

[umbral dust]

The difficulty is increased only when you use a checkpoint... If you do not use it, all the battles you won from the last checkpoint will be reset

[signal sphinx]

Got it, thank you

So it's unfortuante I need to upgrade my other elements..

So say if I main water, I still need to lvl up the 3 titans I have from each of the other elements, or 2 titans each would suffice?

[umbral dust]

Remember one more thing: The "mixed fight" difficulty is also based (in a minor way but it is) on your total titan power... thus starting to level all of the titan, you should see a little increment in mixed fights difficulty

[signal sphinx]

Thanks for the details. So far, I have no issue with mixed element fights. I always get curbed by having too many of either earth or fire only fights

[umbral dust]

I'm in dungeon level 690 and I've leveled: water 45/45/32/32, Earth 38/32/20, Fire 39/21/21... I'm struggling a bit in fire battles, thus I'm going to level Vuclan e Ignis next days and earth is struggling a bit less, but I need to level a bit Sylva too

[signal sphinx]

Ok, so you user the 3 titans from each element

[umbral dust]

Yep... The tank very leveled, the rest basing on difficulty

[signal sphinx]

I'm at 200, but this dungeon mechanism is so frustrating

[umbral dust]

The things that change everything are Hyperion (water supertitan) and the water totem... The healing in the dungeon is very important

[signal sphinx]

Ya, that's why I'm very comfortable with team/water fights as I only have the totem - no hyperion yet

[umbral dust]

I use the mixed fight to heal the fire and earth tanks very often.

[signal sphinx]

But still can't heal those fire and earth element unless they are pulled into the mixed team fights to heal them

[signal sphinx]

Aye!

[umbral dust]

It's the only way

For this reason I invested in the crowns for fire and earth more than for water... Elemental armor isn't very strong (about 0.3% damage reduction every 1000 point of elemental armor... 10.000 elemental armor => 9.09% damage reduction), but every little is of some help

[signal sphinx]

Sorry, what crowns? skins?

[umbral dust]

Ah... ok... At level 60 you unlock titan artifacts (in the new titan valley) that are 3 for each titan: weapon (elemental damage), crown (elemental armor), seal (life bonus and attack bonus)

https://hero-wars.fandom.com/wiki/Stats#Elemental_Damage_and_Elemental_Armor

https://hero-wars.fandom.com/wiki/Guild/Titan_Valley/Titan_Artifacts

[signal sphinx]

Oh, ok - thanks I have them, just that I haven't paid attention to the names

[terse geyser]

i learnt i need only super titans to get other elmeent fights going

especialy hyperion in water fights

my water team is only lvl 35 sigurs 25 nova and 20 miari + lvl 58 hyperion but hyperion soloes everything .. unles he gets stunned

bear in mind that elemental armor is even worse since it loses efectivnes if you fal behind

and if you are like me with lvl 30 ftitans vs llv 60+ titans .. its worthless

[umbral dust]

Eh... I'm wating to get Araji and Eden... Once I'll have them I can change my dungeon crawling

Never tried to solo water with Hyperion... I'll give it a try

[terse geyser]

eneimes have super titans too at levels i am at though

[umbral dust]

Starting to meet supertitans in mixed mee too... rarely, but it happens

[terse geyser]

they start at 600

[umbral dust]

I'm 690

[terse geyser]

at 1000+ all 3 arent that rare

[umbral dust]

I'll reach the elemental reward Araji surely before that... Maybe Eden not so much later

[terse geyser]

and ST also appearing in elemnetal fights too

not just mixed

[umbral dust]

I'm keeping potions to level them up immediately to finally have some breath in elemental fights... When I have a lot of earth and fire fights without a mixed to heal, I struggle a bit

[mint spruce]

seems like ur doing well

and i forgot that i was on lv2940, not lv2540

now lv2980

[slow cedar]

Mirror match lol

[steel pendant]

give me tips to get more titanite

[sleek crest]

upgrade your titans and do more floors in dungeon... and keep valkyrie's favor active

[steel pendant]

teach me how to attack guild dungeons better, my acc is lvl 45

[steel pendant]

what about f2p player?

[sleek crest]

it doesn't matter... those are only 2 ways available in game

water focused titans with water totem are best for f2p as they alow for some healing of other titans in mixed battles

[steel pendant]

did u click safepoint?

[proud mountain]

Do you really think Nexters is capable of writing such an "AI"...? 🤣
You are giving them too much credit.

[umbral dust]

I didn't give anyone any credit. I reported what's written in the wiki

[torpid parrot]

ai...? all you need is a simple calculator, no ai required

[jagged wave]

its not a thing. dungeon oposing teams only depend on number of fights u did against that certain element

[umbral dust]

Ok. That's not what's written on the wiki for mixed fights, but maybe you know better

[jagged wave]

i didnt test myself, but the whole #german-chat comunity did (laying out titan totals, levels, strength of opponents..
its based on results of, maybe 50 players, not sure.
titan power does not make an impact there.

yea, sample size is small, but since this is programmed, u should already see such things, bc those should never be random

[umbral dust]

I said ok... Probably there's a mistake in the wiki... Or probably they tested on very deep dungeon, where the number of fight won is such high that the titan power impact is small, while when you are still around 1000, the mixed fights you already won aren't so much and the titan power is important. Easy no? Simply because titan power has a cap, while mixed fights won don't. Thus there is a moment, where the titan power becomes irrilevant. It's clearly stated it affect

[ripe pumice]

Should I prioritize Sigurd’s health or elemental skin?

[umbral dust]

Health

Elemental skin is situational (on attack only against fire) and the damage reduction is not that great (about 0.3% damage reduction for 1000 points of elemental armor, reduced if defender is higher level)

[latent summit]

I haven't summoned the new titan (purposely) to see if there has been any dungeon change. For any of you who have summoned the new titan...did you notice a change in the dungeon difficulty and/or in the dungeon mixed battle opponent mix?

[ripe pumice]

Ok thx, that’s what I’m currently doing

[queen holly]

Not sure what happened to me today, but my first battle (mobile) in the dungeon was a team of different titans and I lost 4 of 5 titans.

I normally can complete the 150 titanite for the daily quest, today I was only able to collect 42.

Seem the dungeon algorithm needs to be checked or is broken.

[terse geyser]

i summoned it but not leveled it up at all

[umbral dust]

Let's make it simple. We don't know the exact percentage, but let's say mixed fights already won add 1 points of difficulty and total hero power (that is capped) can add a maximum of 100 points when every titan is maxed. If you won 100 mixed fights and max all your titans, you'll have 200 difficulty points, thus the titan power count 50% of the difficulty and you really feel it and can cripple your dungeon digging. If you already won 900 mixed fight, you have 1000 difficulty point and titan power affect 10% of difficulty. Thus, the total titan power affect the mixed fight difficulty (unless the wiki is totaly wrong, that is a possibility) but the more the mixed fight you win, the more those fight matter and titan power matter less. This is obviously a very simplified calculation (no one has max titans after 100 mixed fight), with plain numbers invented to make all simple, but can help to understand how it works (if the wiki is right)

[terse geyser]

hmm so far not uprading moloch made it worse than better

it used to be second most pulled titan but felt begind angus much which i did uprade to 5 star

[umbral dust]

Ehehehe... remember @terse geyser that your feelings aren't statistically valid... you can be the unlucky one... In the Montecarlo Casino there a record of 25 drop "red" at the roulette in a row... If you look only at that 25 drops you should say that red is more probable to drop than black... but if you look at the last 1.000.000 drops, you should see that they're more or less 50% (probably less, because there is the "0" that do not count as red nor as black)

[terse geyser]

i am just stating my observation not saying thats how it works

[umbral dust]

Especially because our "feelings" are influenced by our desire and we remember much more the bad results than the good ones. Sorry mate, statistic is my job... I fight every day with customers that "feels" the data do not match "their feelings" about how the "market" is going (especially sellers that ALWAYS state that the data are surely wrong because they're sure their stats should be better 😄 )

[terse geyser]

i only know that moloch angus were about equal - now moloch is 200 souls behind ;p is this how it works ? who knows

but thats good for me though lol

i want more angus - its almost beating vulcan now ;D

[jagged wave]

wiki is wrong.
your power does not matter there

only thing thats having an influence is the number of fights

i saw 2 guys at the same level, but one was almost 2 times as strong, power difference was near 0 if i remember right (was like a year ago)

lets start a survey.. im at 1M hero power, lvl 13400.

with water (main) i face 180k teams.

earth (2nd best) faces 120k teams, fire (weakest, and fewest fights) faces 95k teams

mixed sees 470k teams

was the most used earlier, now i try to avoid it, bc my totem is too weak

[umbral dust]

1. "If I remember right (was like a year ago)"... very reliable way to demostrate "wiki is wrong".
2. The wiki states that the total hero power matter only in mixed fights, thus your water and earth only fights has nothing to do with the argument
3. At a such deep level (14000), you have fought so many mixed fight that it's perfectly understandable that titan power ha a nearly zero influence of the final difficulty
   Maybe wiki is wrong, but you didn't bring any point to prove it... Thus, between you and the wiki, I still prefer the wiki

[jagged wave]

ok

[tough carbon]

dungeon lvl has everything to do with the fights u get, rather what kind of element u fought mostly

i have huge accs at low dungeon lvl and get low titan teams like kagal above

[jagged wave]

thanks for clarifying.

[jagged wave]

guess i remembered right 😉

[lucid harness]

Ever heard of Kayla madness? Yeah, that just happened

[brazen hornet]

In my first Water fight today, my Sigurd DIES --- full energy, but stunned.

Is there nothing I can do/upgrade to prevent this?

[brazen hornet]

Thanks for Nova suggestion. So basically kill Moloch before he can stun. That's going to take alot of damage upgrading, but I get it. Thx!

[jagged wave]

i think what also helps is keeping sigurds defense a bit lower

thats how i do it, water is my strongest element

but yea, i also have novas attack a bit higher (compared to nova defense, but its still low compared to rest of the water titans)

[sleek crest]

other option is not available for you anymore - keep sigurd at hp low enough to use shield before moloch use his stun

[granite lantern]

or overlevel so much that u one or two shot the moloch lol

[modest phoenix]

@night charm Can it be that the dungeon was turned around again on the level of difficulty

Thanks for the answer in advance

[ripe galleon]

Please let a star here, dungeon is again messed up. 😦
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[vernal crystal]

no super titans. what are you all complaining about? 😁

[umbral dust]

Today, around level 800, I had a mixed with two supertitans... I would like to fight a battle like this every time

[terse geyser]

masochist ?

[mint spruce]

@night charm why no 1.5x speed boost for titan battles in dungeons, titans themselves are already painfully slow

[ripe galleon]

How strong are the mixed titan teams?

[patent plover]

Yeah big guys, so they move slow, if you make them move fast they might get tired early and might lose the battle as well.. 😂

[native jasper]

They are like sloths, overheat and they die?

[mint spruce]

i just realized that aint the opposing team suffering the same thing 🤡

[patent plover]

#😜off-topic message
They will fight like this

[patent plover]

#😜off-topic message

[desert palm]

When will we be able to use summoning spheres to summon Brustar and Rigel too?

[umbral dust]

I think not before the two supertians will be released... I guess

[desert palm]

Awww, chucks

[candid crater]

is this a good team?

[jagged wave]

no, u lack synergies

[candid crater]

whats synergy?

whats a good defense against this?

[terse geyser]

why do you ask about heor synergies .. in titan dungeon section

[candid crater]

im new

i don't know half of the match ups or terms or anything

[terse geyser]

use ask for help .. this is completly wrong seciton

[kindred geode]

No

[plain gust]

I use my water totem to heal earth/fire so I can nomally go a long time

[plain gust]

I just hate this..having titans die right before you get to save progress

[mint spruce]

gooses

behold lv3120

okay im not that good but im at least better than gooses 🤡

[lyric wharf]

go

[tough carbon]

i dont think that im doing bad:)

[plain gust]

😱

is all i have

[tough carbon]

is it just me or you got to dungeon at like lvl 25 with no guild?
or you somehow managed to run out of potis at lvl 22?

[tough carbon]

🐳

[lofty pelican]

I cannot play Dungeon right now. Is the game server error ?

The other menu is fine

[jagged finch]

Whalewatching time