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[silver fern]

I'm trying to figure out how to organize these character prefabs so I can try to actually write anything. So from what I gather, for each character there will be a prefab which contains the character stats, imports the controllers, and has attached components for each attack and ability

[steel smelt]

You seem to make a distinction between "importing" the controllers, and having attached components for attack and ability. This is confusing to me.

Do you not intend on having your controllers as components?

[silver fern]

I don't know. Wouldn't the controllers be separate for each prefab if I add them as components?

Or is adding the component the same as an import statement in script?

[steel smelt]

When you add a component, an instance of this class is created for you. The reason you make it a component(so a MonoBehaviour derived class) is because it makes it extremely convenient for this class to interact with the unity API.

Notably, it will have access to a managed transformation matrix via the transform component
magic methods awake/start/update/etc will be fired on this component, allowing convenient synchronization with other objects in your scene.

Now, if you create 1 controller class, and you add it to 20 objects, yes it is a bit like importing a library but with the exception that each instance can have per-instance data.

[hexed terrace]

character stats -> usually best as a scriptable object
model -> the various prefabs for the model
base prefab -> has all the controllers/ components on -> spawning just assigns the model prefab and relevant data

[silver fern]

Ah so I can add the controller as a component and if I change the controller each component will be updated accordingly

awesome, thanks

and thanks everyone else too

[toxic cloak]

Hello guys can anyone point me to a resources or tutorial on how to connect ui buttons to new input system .Thank you

[visual linden]

I think if you have the new input system set in your project settings, creating a new Event System will automatically set it up for input 🤔 But the people over at #📲┃ui-ux and #🧰┃ui-toolkit will probably know better, and have suggestions for resources

[magic knoll]

Hey guys, i'm following a video of codemonkey to make a "kitchen chaos" game: https://youtu.be/AmGSEH7QcDg?si=xg9RQ5qcii3cWt-t&t=12141
To give some context, he made a Tomato and CheeseBlock prefabs, and their related ScriptableObject. I don't really understand/like that he make a reference to the prefab in the scriptable object, but also make a script attached to the prefab to reference the related scriptable object. Is there a better way to do this ?

The fact that the prefab is referenced in the SO, and vice-versa it feels like something wrong ?

[steel smelt]

Not really wrong. Does the prefab need to know about the SO, and does the SO need to know about the prefab? If so, then there needs to be a reference going both ways. You can have an intermediary entity that maintains bilinear bindings if you want

[frosty hound]

Things that exist in your scene need to have a MonoBehaviour to have some functionality. The SO reference is so that you can keep the "definition" of that object separated from the scene for easier modifications, mainly.

[toxic cloak]

alrithy

[frosty hound]

You can absolutely just put those same fields like, the name and such on the MonoBehaviour itself and skip the SO entirely.

[magic knoll]

Hmm ok good to know then. I'm new to this concept and was a bit lost ^^

[frosty hound]

It's a matter of organization (and preference), really.

But generally speaking, if you're defining the information of an object, such an items, characters, use SOs. It'll just be cleaner.

That way you don't need to have a prefab for each food, instead you can have a generic food prefab that you "dress up", with the contents that the SO has (icon, name, model reference, etc.)

[magic knoll]

Oooh

Like the SO is a kitchen object constructor ?

But in the video he does have specific prefab and SO for each food right now

Maybe he gonna refactor it later in the video

[frosty hound]

Just to save the time and effort of dynamically preparing the objects at runtime I imagine. I haven't watched his course.

[magic knoll]

I see. Thanks for help 🙂

[brave robin]

Generally if you put the data into SOs, the prefabs become more generic and grab their specifics from the SOs. Like there's a general item prefab with universal item logic, but things like stats and visuals come from an SO it references.

[toxic cloak]

Is the old input system better if m targeting only one platform?

[frosty hound]

Depends if you also need multiple maps for gameplay.

[brave robin]

Yes and no. Depends what you need out of an input system. Like remapping controls is easier with the new, and swapping from one set of actions to another is easier in the new. But the old is quicker to get up and running with.

Fortunately it's not a huge undertaking to switch, especially if you don't sprinkle your input listening code across the whole project

[toxic cloak]

Yes like the new one is good if i have like humanoid controls n also some kinda car or boat controls but if it has only humanoid controls then is the old one better?

[brave robin]

If your game's needs are pretty simple then sticking with the old is totally fine, plenty of games shipped using it

[toxic cloak]

cz m new to the new iput system n having problems on hooking it with ui buttons

i mean i dont really know how to without making a script which in the end is same as the old input sys

[brave robin]

So if you press a controller button it should "press" a UI button?

[toxic cloak]

yes like move left button or move right button

[brave robin]

If the problem is that moving left and right isn't navigating a button menu properly, that's not specific to new or old

[toxic cloak]

i mean i have key mapped in the new input system for movement i want to have ui buttons for that but cant seem to understand how to hook them

[brave robin]

Though in the new input system there's a specific component you'll need to make sure it passes the actions to the event system for UI. There should be tutorials on using UI with the new input system

#📲┃ui-ux or #🧰┃ui-toolkit will probably have links if you ask

[toxic cloak]

yes m having trouble finding one so m annoyed from using the new input system lmao

[slender nymph]

this sounds more like a question of "how do i hook a UI button up to my movement" rather than anything to do with the input system

[brave robin]

Oh, so you want to press a UI button and it acts as if you moved left on the controller?

[toxic cloak]

i mean is there a new input system way of hooking buttons

[toxic cloak]

yes

[brave robin]

Ah, that's different. Whatever code is listening for the input action reference needs to also be linked into the OnClick unityevent of the button

[slender nymph]

you are thinking about this incorrectly. the input system is irrelevant here because UI buttons still work exactly the same

[toxic cloak]

so theres no benifit on using the new one on this specific case?

[brave robin]

None, its the same work flow to make a UI button do something in this case

[toxic cloak]

yes thats all the answers i need thanks i was wondering if it makes the work easier if i use the new one on this specific task

[worldly jacinth]

Hello im completly new to coding and i would like to know why some lines are blue, green and white, and how you can change them if you can change them ?

[naive pawn]

colors are used a lot for highlighting stuff, what exactly are you referring to?

the color of text, colors on the left of the line, underlines, etc

[worldly jacinth]

For example im following a old tutorial were the line "using UnityEngine", "using" is blue, so is my line, but the "UnityEngine" is white in the video and green in my code. I was wondering why

i copied the same script but some of the words are in different colors than the video

and i have a error message so i suppose it has something to do with the color not matching?

[slender nymph]

the actual colors used in the syntax highlighting are dependent on your theme and/or IDE

[worldly jacinth]

so the colors do not matter ?

[slender nymph]

if you have an error in the code it is not related to the colors. but it should be underlined in red and if it is not that means your !IDE is not configured

[eternal falcon]

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[worldly jacinth]

what does IDE stands for ?

i may be the problem indeed

[naive pawn]

tokens are colored by function
keywords are a certain color, types are a certain color, numeric literals, string literals, functions, variables, constants, etc

[frail hawk]

IDE is the thing you are coding in

[worldly jacinth]

ok thanks

[slender nymph]

you do know that google exists, right?
and a 5 second search will tell you it stands for Integrated Development Environment. aka your code editor (which should be more obvious from the bot embed directly above your message)

[worldly jacinth]

so visual studio in my case

[slender nymph]

considering you said that "UnityEngine" was green in your own code it sounds like you're using vs code not visual studio

[naive pawn]

no, colors are just to help guide your eyes
they don't affect the actual code

[frail hawk]

but if he did not change the colors it indicates that his IDe is not configured correctly as boxfriend pointed out already

[naive pawn]

(he said the colors did change)

[raven arch]

Hello 🙂

If I have a question regarding Skinned Mesh Renderer being invisible for me, is this the right channel? Or is "Animation" more correct?
Apologies if I wrote in wrong channel

[naive pawn]

just ask , if you're in the wrong place you'll be redirected

[raven arch]

First time trying to animate my player object. Making a 3d game. Ive set animations, set the correct one as default and I can see it running when I start. Initially I had mesh renderer and my "skin" was showing but, animation wasnt playing. After googling, Ive read that its due to Mesh Renderer shows static skin and that I should use Skinned Mesh Renderer.

Cant get it to work. My character is just invisible.. Tried googling it and asked gpt and gemini, Ive done a lot of different steps including dragging my mesh on the scene and applying material which causes it to appear. Cant seem to figure out why its invisible on my player object

[worldly jacinth]

im more likely to memorize when talking to people rather than internet. And passing knowledge like this is well more human id say

[slender nymph]

#854851968446365696
it just creates useless noise in the channels when you ask easily googleable questions instead of putting in the effort to actually find out the answer yourself

[worldly jacinth]

calling interactions like talking useless noise is crazy sad

but sure ok

[lapis parrot]

i understand that i need to use OnTriggerEnter2D and OnTriggerExit2D to make text appear when you walk close to the item's "range" but i have no clue how to correctly implement it and i've scowered the internet looking for a solution and can't find one

i know i explained that poorly

[slender nymph]

this is not a social space.

[worldly jacinth]

lmao

[naive pawn]

those messages require trigger colliders, does that give you a hint?

[lapis parrot]

not a clue or hint in the world

i am very new to c#

[naive pawn]

this doesn't have anything to do with c#

[lapis parrot]

i am also quite slow

wait so event triggers?

[naive pawn]

you need trigger colliders to specify the range to get those messages

[naive pawn]

not what i'm talking about at all, no

[lapis parrot]

oh so a gameObject to specify the range

[naive pawn]

no, a trigger collider

[naive pawn]

if you don't know what i'm talking about, ask, don't assume
i'm happy to explain or link to more resources - i'm just not gonna explain everything off the bat since i don't know if you already know or not

[lapis parrot]

ok please send me some resources

so i don't go to assumptions

[naive pawn]

https://docs.unity3d.com/6000.1/Documentation/Manual/collider-interactions-create-trigger.html

[lapis parrot]

tyty

[frail hawk]

you could also use Vector2.Distance if you just want to do something while in range

[naive pawn]

in your case you would add a trigger on the interactable thing

[worldly jacinth]

i can't exactly tell what was wrong im my code but my project is working thank you guys !

[orchid swallow]

what is the checklist for Jump is not working?
spacebar is detected, but not working

[frail hawk]

Debug.Log your isGrounded

[raven arch]

Was it working prior to adding isGrounded?

[orchid swallow]

yes

[raven arch]

How does your isGrounded check look?

[polar acorn]

Where do you set isGrounded

[orchid swallow]

now it is forever check and in jumping mode, unable to move

[lapis parrot]

Got it working because of you, thanks a bunch!

[rocky canyon]

u know the difference between OnTriggerEnter and OnCollisionEnter?

is there a trigger on the player?

odd setup i figured OnCollision would be enough

and check for ground

anyway.. put DebugLogs n collision and n ur if statements

print out what they collide with

[polar acorn]

Does this object ever pass through a trigger on an object tagged "Ground"?

[rocky canyon]

ya seems weird to me.. b/c the code is checking for ground.. which implies its on the player..

but then the POlygon collider of the ground..

isnt marked as isTrigger

[naive pawn]

probably because it should be OnCollisionX2D

[frail hawk]

nice catch, yeah i also assume they want OnCollisionEnter instead

[split plover]

okay i have to be doing something wrong 😭
how come every time i try to use the input system even if i follow a tutorial EXACTLY it says something comes out as null

[naive pawn]

-# gonna need some more info to go off...

[polar acorn]

The trouble with the new input system is there's like ten different ways to do things and if you're following multiple tutorials you've probably crossed the streams somewhere

[split plover]

This was more for testing but i literally copied code and only changed variables that i had to for it to work and it still didn't work

using System.Collections;
using UnityEngine.InputSystem;

public class BasePlayerScript : MonoBehaviour
{
    CharacterController controller;
    PlayerInput Playerinput;
    InputAction MoveInput;
    float BaseMovementSpeed = 5f;
    float SetMovementSpeed = 2f;
    float Velocity = 0.01f;
    void Start()
    {
        GetComponent<CharacterController>();
        Playerinput = GetComponent<PlayerInput>();
        MoveInput = Playerinput.actions.FindAction("Move");
    }
    void Update()
    {
        CharacterMovement();
    }
    void CharacterMovement() {
        Vector2 Movedirection = MoveInput.ReadValue<Vector2>();
        controller.Move(SetMovementSpeed * Time.deltaTime * new Vector3(Movedirection.x, Velocity, Movedirection.y));
    }
}```

[split plover]

People said i literally had to use the new input system for somme reason

[split plover]

yeah i was typing it

[naive pawn]

ok, which is line 25

[split plover]

oh sorry forgot to put that, its the controller.Move line

[naive pawn]

start with that or include it with your grievances, rather than sending just the greivances first

[naive pawn]

controller is null, you never set it

[brave robin]

Instead of InputAction use InputActionReference and make it public or serialized private, then you can skip the FindAction and set it in the inspector
Won't fix your problem, but its an easier workflow

[orchid swallow]

it show error on using OncollisionEnter2D

[split plover]

yeah i did its set up at the top

[naive pawn]

where?

[naive pawn]

that's declaring the field, that doesn't give it a value

[split plover]

why did it work for the tutorial but not me then 😭

[naive pawn]

because it set it somewhere else lol

check your Start

you have a GetComponent that isn't being assigned to anything

[split plover]

no like, i LITERALLY copy pasted code

well i mean

[brave robin]

Tutorial videos are edited, they can make garbage code look like it runs sometimes, if they' want to

[naive pawn]

did the tutorial also have a hanging GetComponent that didn't do anything?

[split plover]

hey atleast this time it wasn't the input system

[brave robin]

GetComponent<CharacterController>(); that's missing an assignment there

[split plover]

well i thought the "CharacterController controller;" set it

[naive pawn]

it does not, no

[split plover]

yeah i just thought it got the component i didn't know i had to set it there

[brave robin]

characterController = GetComponent<CharacterController>(); is what you want

[naive pawn]

do you know the difference between float x; and float x = 5;

[split plover]

yeah i changed that part already cause i saw it but

[raven arch]

controller = GetComponent<CharacterController>();

[split plover]

why do i have to put "CharacterController controller;" at the top if im already getting the component and labeling it as controller in the start area?

[naive pawn]

because that's how c# works

you have to declare variables

this is, indeed, how most languages work

[raven arch]

Because you arent getting it. You are making space for it and saying its existing but, you still need to set the value to it

[naive pawn]

the exceptions being js and python, as always

[brave robin]

Difference between declaring a variable and then assigning it. If you don't declare it before you use it, c# compiler won't know what you're trying to do

[split plover]

I mean yeah i kinda thought that i was declaring it and setting it to controller in the same line

[frail hawk]

what errror?

[brave robin]

You can't just say bob = 5 because you have not declared what bob is. Is it an integer? is it a float? is it an enum? compiler doesn't know

[naive pawn]

the message parameter has to be of type: Collision2D

[split plover]

yeah i didn't know it only declared what it was i thought it assigned it too

[rich adder]

declaring and assigning are two different things in the beginning everyone gets confused on

[split plover]

but yeah anyways thanks for pointing out my stupid mistake 😭

[naive pawn]

the character controller might not exist at the time the field is declared
or it might be intended to get some other object's controller
c# doesn't know what you're trying to do, it's not gonna assume something like that

[split plover]

Well yeah but i thought it was like how you do "float movespeed = 1f" or something like that and it declares it and assigns it in the same line

[polar acorn]

Well, without it, where do you intend to put it

[rich adder]

You can do that for some item sure

[raven arch]

Yes but, you said the name but, didnt assign. So you must assign later

[frail hawk]

let instellisense do the work, if you type OnCollision it will give you the correct suggestion

[polar acorn]

You get the component in start, but it's gotta go in a box. You can't really hold water without a cup

[naive pawn]

if you didn't have the declaration, well that wouldn't be valid in c#, but it would be in some other languages
in those other languages, the variable would then only exist inside the function (or the scope), so you wouldn't be able to use it in other functions anyways

[split plover]

anyways i am gonna go back to coding cause somehow i broke every single bit of code in my previous script so im rewriting all the code 😭

[naive pawn]

the = is the assignment
you don't have the assignment here

[polar acorn]

That line contains a declaration: float movespeed; and an assignment movespeed = 1f in the same line

this works because you aren't calling a function in the assignment

[polar acorn]

You can't do CharacterController controller = GetComponent<CharacterController>() because you can't call a function outside of any functions

[naive pawn]

(a declaration and an assignment in the same line is sometimes called an initialization, or more broadly, a definition)

[rich adder]

even if you did
magicNumber = 3;
it has no idea what magicNumber is unless you declared it
but some types can be inferred such as
var myNumber = 40; then var is now a int

[naive pawn]

the reasoning here is simply not correct

[split plover]

How dare c# not let me make magicNumer = 3;

[naive pawn]

because c# is statically typed

it's a design thing

[polar acorn]

Okay, you can't call non-static functions outside of a function but I didn't want to confuse the matter by bringing statics into the mix

[rich adder]

its a good thing being statically typed

[split plover]

then make it static 👍

(im ngl im never touching statics unless i have to this was sarcastic)

[naive pawn]

this is still not true?

[brave robin]

Nothing wrong with statics

[split plover]

i dont care i don't like what i don't understand

[rich adder]

statics are like seasonings, you don't want to over do it

[naive pawn]

this is valid c#, just doesn't work with getting components because of how stuff is initialized

[rich adder]

they can be pretty powerful you'd be missing out

[split plover]

i tried seasoning cereal before and it tasted bad

[raven arch]

Static just makes it so you dont have to initialize a class in order to call a function. Quite helpful if function isnt accessing any instance data

[rich adder]

try cocoa instead of salt

[split plover]

how did you know i used salt

[naive pawn]

it's the only seasoning that would make cereal taste bad

[brave robin]

We use statics all the time. Mathf is static

[split plover]

i'mm sure i could find a way

[naive pawn]

and that way is fish sauce

[split plover]

In all fairness i haven't used Mathf once

[rich adder]

Singleton walks in the room

[naive pawn]

some Vector2 and Vector3 stuff are also static, like distance

[polar acorn]

You see, I always assumed it was the GetComponent itself that made this not work. Turns out it was the implicit this.

[brave robin]

"There's only one of them! Gang up, we can take 'em!"

[polar acorn]

So, yeah, you're right. I thought you just couldn't do these UnityEngine methods in an initializer

[split plover]

aw man that means i've used static things before 😭

[naive pawn]

yknow, that's fair, i assume error messages/causes without checking all too often lmao

[polar acorn]

Yeah, I had an intuitive sense that it wouldn't work and didn't actually question it after finding out that it did in fact not work

So I never considered why it wouldn't work

[rich adder]

there is nothing to be frightened by them, they are like every other type except only 1 of it can exists through the whole program which is a good thing

[split plover]

i always just consider that my code doesn't work because i make it 👍

[brave robin]

It's funny how code beginner often devolves into more advanced discussions because we get pedantic over someone simplifying an answer 😄

[polar acorn]

🌈⭐ The more you know

[split plover]

well yeah i know that i just dont like them

[split plover]

atp i know more about advanced stuff than simple stuff because of this

[rich adder]

you will once you realize the benefits in your own code

[shell sorrel]

often its just hitting situations older devs never hit since they think more inline with how the language works

[split plover]

just because i will use them in the future doesn't mean i will like them

[rich adder]

fair enough

[split plover]

so realistically its ok for me to use keycodes for jumping because i don't like people who dont use space for jumping right

[rich adder]

you mean enums keycode vs strings ?

[naive pawn]

realistically? your first game probably isn't going to get enough people for it to matter

[shell sorrel]

ideally i would just use the new input system and tie jump to a action

[polar acorn]

You can learn a lot of physics by assuming spherical cows in a frictionless vacuum.

Sometimes the simplifications can actually reveal novel ideas

[shell sorrel]

then it can have multiple buttons and easier support for rebinding later on

[split plover]

yeah but ideally i dont like people who want to change jump off of space bar

[rich adder]

KeyCode / Numerical values are always faster than string lookup ofc

[split plover]

yeah and like who would wanna use something other than space for jump you know?

[shell sorrel]

speed runners and people that found out how to abuse your physics and bunny hop around

[rich adder]

depends on the game I suppose, hence why rebind as an option is always really nice feature to put..
I put my jump to my mousescroll for bunny hopping and stuff

[shell sorrel]

or simply for accessibility reasons

[naive pawn]

consider Mathf.Max(a, b, c)
if it weren't static, it'd have to be like a.Max(b, c)
now if you want to remove a from the possible options, you'd have to rewrite the entire thing instead of just.. removing it

statics make way more sense for symmetric stuff like that

[split plover]

funilly enough i was planning on making bunnyhop a feature of my game so that if you press jump within enough time before jumping you would bunnyhop instantly and not get any ground friction

[shell sorrel]

well that api would suck best to just have it as a regular static function, also this lets you easily have overloads to support all the int/float types

[rich adder]

keep in mind true bunnyhop is a side effect of specific movement controls

[shell sorrel]

i accidently made a character controller that supports it

[split plover]

yeah but replicating bunnyhop does seem kinda easy

[rich adder]

a lot of speed runners put it in now as a feature yea, idk about easy but good movement can take months sometimes to tune nicely

the OG

[split plover]

my idea to make good mmovement easily is to make it so bad that its good (obviously not bad as in a buggy way though)

[shell sorrel]

at work i had to make the controller for a 3d platformer and yeah it was like a months work to get all features we wanted working and provide intuitive parameters for design

most of what i exposed is rearranged equations to expose more design friendly terms

instead of the actual physics of it

[rich adder]

yeah character movement really can make the game, if a game has poor movement I usually don't play it lol . Source games nailed it after quake imo, idk much of recent times whats good.. I guess Apex and such
newer games are more restrictive even atfter all the parkour-ish mechanic like climb walls ala COD

[rocky canyon]

still makes me dizzy

[shell sorrel]

yeah goldsrc and source are my standard for what feels good for fps movement

[rich adder]

haha yeah dude has probably years of experience, I can maybe move half that speed

[split plover]

is the keycode for space Input.GetKeyDown(KeyCode.Space)

[rich adder]

good choice!

[rocky canyon]

back when i played the og quake.. i didnt even know u could move like that
edit: my gamepad certainly wouldnt have allowed me to do that..

[rich adder]

yeah I accidentally discovered it because you can't help it since it happens while you look one way while you press forward + strafe another

[shell sorrel]

well quake is the grand daddy of most of this movement tricks, and also the reason they work in a lot of modern engines

[rocky canyon]

ya, it was a gem i wasn't even aware of.. ofc iwas in my Tween years

[rich adder]

quake with a gamepad! blasphemy

[shell sorrel]

a lot of engines were derived from or stole from early idtech engines

[rocky canyon]

i wasn't as professional of a gamer as i am now 😏

[rocky canyon]

one of the first gamepads i seen on the market..

had the big printer port on it

[shell sorrel]

midi port

[rich adder]

COM connection

[rocky canyon]

found it

[shell sorrel]

remeber my first joystick i had to attach to the soundcards midi

[rocky canyon]

even had a little joystick u screw into the dpad 😅

with the gamepad i wasnt aware of all the movement mechanics u could unlock

like bunnyhoppin

[rich adder]

I had this one

[rocky canyon]

didnt know bout that until the very first time i seen someone speedrunning it

big as a house

lol

the "original DUKE"

[naive pawn]

too young to have seen this in person but every time i see a pic i feel like it could be disconnected along the diagonal and reconnected into a different shape lmao

[shell sorrel]

yeah i was big into QWTF, then Q3A and then TFC back in the day and learned all the movement tech

[rich adder]

back when microsoft made good hardware

[rocky canyon]

back when most hardware was still Beige

[rocky canyon]

so thats what this is?

i mean i remember it coming thru the com ports

[rich adder]

thats COM port yes

[rocky canyon]

back when u had to set up ur inputs before the game started

MsDOS games were the best

[rich adder]

midi usually is like a round thing looks like PS2 connector (not playstation, i meant he mouse)

[shell sorrel]

yup

[rocky canyon]

im actually working on a rebind system like that

where u start eh game.. and then it asks u for each bind

so u can use any device

might be what i actually do today

[shell sorrel]

are a few forms of it, this thing you could plug a game pad into, or with a dongle it breaks out into the midi in and midi out

with the round plugs

[rich adder]

oh yea.I haven't played much with MIDI besides music

[rocky canyon]

for rebinds would u store that info in a data file to load? or would u do it every time u launch?

[shell sorrel]

the round midi ports are too big for a single height card

[rocky canyon]

im thinking like a fpv drone simulator.. where u can use rc remotes and etc

[rich adder]

file

[rocky canyon]

any device

[rocky canyon]

so more work.. rather than less work

got it 💪 lol

[rich adder]

File.WriteAllText
boom done

[shell sorrel]

yeah was used for games, since there was no good system for low latency inputs before, but music already solved that problem since its more important to music then general computing at the time

[rocky canyon]

this is what i got so far :).. lol

then it would go "Rebind Action: Blank: -> Bound to X -> Confirm

[rich adder]

yeah that makes lot of sense, since MIDI is really good at keeping instruments synched and latency free

[rocky canyon]

yup, back when PC's were magical

and my dad was a wizard

now its reversed 😄 and i help my father build his stuff

[shell sorrel]

yeah since otherwise it was use a serial port which sucks, and the ps/2's were only for keyboard and mouse with the limitations of those

[rich adder]

new Input System ? that should cut a lot of work 💪

[shell sorrel]

USB did not exist yet

[rocky canyon]

thats the plan..

with InputActionReferences

[rich adder]

dark times

[rocky canyon]

yup. and connectors had set screws

to bolt it to the pc

[rich adder]

is this the defacto way ? cause I use C# Generated class but have no idea how I would rebind that

[shell sorrel]

also those round midis are still used, my audio interface has them and it can talk to my outboard gear via it

[rocky canyon]

id ont know.. but its the way imma try

i have vague information from a big-head around here that thats how they do it

so i figured id be a poser

[rich adder]

Yeah same I still use those for my MPC pads and stuff, much better than USB for me since they can be connected to analog instruments

[rocky canyon]

its possibly Contrivance 👇

[brave robin]

heh

There's so many ways to use the new system, it's a strength but also a learning curve

[rich adder]

makes sense.. Yeah that might be the way cause I'm not sure how I would even rebind things with a generated class

[rocky canyon]

but for a universal rebind

where i could technically use anyinput

im not so sure

[shell sorrel]

there is runtime support for adding inputs to actions

really the hardest part about it is making a ui for it

[brave robin]

There's a helper in the new input system for rebinding, which makes it super easy. You turn it on and it listens for what the user does, and maps to that. And you can filter out certain inputs too

[rich adder]

I think there is a github project unity has for rebind example ?

[rich adder]

ah yeah was thinking something like thi existed

could've sworn i did see it

[brave robin]

I forget where in the docs it was, but searching through for rebind should find it for you. I tried it out once and it was very simple

[rich adder]

one thing you gotta give unity is eventually they do make decent utils classes to easily work with their new features

[brave robin]

I'm not sure how to save the rebindings in the player prefs, but it should be possible somehow

[rocky canyon]

im hoping i can just do a prompt for each rebind

that way theres no UI really..

unless ur meaning UI navigation rebinds

[rich adder]

maybe there is a JSON schema or something ?

[brave robin]

You can. The rebinding helper has no UI, it just waits for player input of some kind and assigns that to the action

[rocky canyon]

niice

[lapis parrot]

followed this guy's tutorial (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ1dRX5NyM0) on enemy FOV and this ``` private Vector2 DirectionFromAngle(float eulerY, float angleInDegrees)
{
angleInDegrees -= eulerY;

    return new Vector2(Mathf.Sin(angleInDegrees * Mathf.Deg2Rad), Mathf.Cos(angleInDegrees * Mathf.Deg2Rad));
}
``` is showing errors, saying top-level statements must precede namespace and type declarations and the modifier "private" is not valid

[shell sorrel]

i just mean the general UI for showing all binds and supporting multiple binds per action often gets complicated to do in a non rubbish way

[rocky canyon]

ohh u mean that

[rich adder]

you put this inside another method did you

[rocky canyon]

yea, that will be a dedicated UI panel

[shell sorrel]

also if you want to support different sets for controller vs keys/mouse

[rocky canyon]

i hopefully get it setup where u can use 2 devices at once.. if u felt like it

[shell sorrel]

also the swapping of UI elements for controller vs keyboard mappings

[rocky canyon]

like bind ur Joysticks for movement..

[rich adder]

check your curly brackets, also make sure your IDE is configured @lapis parrot

[rocky canyon]

bind ur keyboard for jumping

etc

[lapis parrot]

alright

[lapis parrot]

it probably is that lol, my code is super messy

[brave robin]

Also the rebinding supports multiple keys, like shift+F11 to do something

bind shift+alt+print screen to jump

[rocky canyon]

ohh

ill have to remember that caveat

wouldnt want that

[brave robin]

You can prevent it, the rebinding has filters

[rich adder]

public class Foo{
private void Method(){} // valid
}```
```cs
public class Foo{
private void Method()
{
private void Method2(){} // error cause of private 
} 
}```

[rocky canyon]

ya, i might ignore it for now

if i see a reason to need hotkey type stuff ill figure it out

i already made an Editor hotkey system but it uses the old input class

and nested ifstatements

[brave robin]

I think the big win with having a rebind system that accepts any input is accessibility devices will just plain work. If someone gets one of those special multi button controller for accessibility reasons, the system will just figure it out for you

[short hazel]

You can export rebinds to JSON and import them back later IIRC, there are methods on the input actions

[rich adder]

ahh nice so I assumed correct

[rocky canyon]

yes!! this is what finally made me turn

i have an RC controller.. and uses HDMI or w/e the basic periphial port thingy is..

but its inputs are ALL over the place

so a rebind system is about the only way i can remedy that

w/o manually hardcoding everything

[rich adder]

makes cause when you do Generate C# class on the Actions Input it generates a JSON schema inside that class that you don't touch and gets regenerated, I suppose for rebind is you saving the JSON part

[split plover]

Is there a way for something to check if the controller is grounded once

[rocky canyon]

boolean flag?

*groundedOnce = true, false

it'd be the exact same way u do for multiple jumps..

[split plover]

i wanted to do a boolean flag but i don't know if i should make random boolean flags for anything i dont know how to fix without one

[rocky canyon]

canJumpAgain = true

[rich adder]

most times you will be using bool they are the most common and useful types in any logic

[split plover]

yeah ik my current issue is that i cant jump because it sets the velocity to -1 when its groundedd

[rocky canyon]

well when u jump stop that

[rich adder]

hell before I learned a proper FSM everything was bool flags xD

[rocky canyon]

when u jump u should zero out ur gravity anyways

its the common way to do that... that way ur jump force isn't cancelled out by any of it

[rocky canyon]

ive still not learned proper fsm

[split plover]

well ig i'll just add a boolean for it

[rocky canyon]

its still a switch statement...

[split plover]

i dont know what fsm is 🔥

[rocky canyon]

1 step above if else chains

[rocky canyon]

finite state machine

ur controller would work based on states..

[rich adder]

Yeah I mean no reason to overcomplicate it if you can just enum based

[rocky canyon]

idle -> moving -> running -> attacking etc

[split plover]

the main reason i chose to completely redo my old code was cause i had 300 lines of just if else going on and on 😭

[rocky canyon]

well, to be honest i'd like to master Stateless state machines

but ill keep dreaming for now

[brave robin]

Infinite Stateless Nonmachines

[split plover]

dont even ask how i did it i dont know myself

[rocky canyon]

we know.. we all been there

[rich adder]

have you tried new Behavior tree unity has?

[rocky canyon]

i have not..

those terms make me shiver

👻

[rich adder]

its very similar to how statemachines work tbh

except its more like Animator

[rocky canyon]

well when i nail state machines then ill try out the behaviour tree

i still need to mock up a good one w/ Enter and Exit states and all that

[rich adder]

Unity lets you do custom nodes so its pretty powerful

[rocky canyon]

ahh so it is exactly like the animator

with transitions conditions and whatnot

[rich adder]

pretty much

[rocky canyon]

well.. i assume the conditions would be codebased but yea

[rich adder]

https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.behavior@1.0/manual/create-custom-node.html

they have some premade nodes already too

[rocky canyon]

bookmarked 💪

[rich adder]

most of them do what you want

[rocky canyon]

ill give it a look thnks

[rich adder]

unity has this concept for behavior to "tell story" through action

https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.behavior@1.0/manual/predefined-node.html

so like "Enemy waits 4 seconds then moves to target"
rather than a bunch of variables and code clouding the whole thing

[rich adder]

check out Llama academy he has a whole series on Behavior, its really good. Hopefully unity doesn't abadon this too cause I heard most of the team got axxed and now this project is kinda in limbo...typical unity shit lol

[split plover]

i just realized my code wasn't working cause i set a float to a bool what the fuck am i doing bro

[rich adder]

do you have a configured IDE... it should be underlining red when you do that

[split plover]

i didn't even need the bool for if the character was grounded or not i genuinly just fucking had the jump power as a bool

[split plover]

thats the problem i didn't even fucking notice until i scrolled up 😭

it was giving me errors and everything and i didn't even notice

i need to go to bed bro 😭

[rich adder]

are you looking at the error in Unity console or the actual IDE / code editor

[split plover]

there are errors in both 😭

[rich adder]

ok good at least IDE is configured

[rocky canyon]

u shouldnt be able to even compile that

[rich adder]

back to VSC squad ? 💪

[split plover]

what does compile mean like turning your code into something unity can use

[rocky canyon]

you know it!... recorded a few videos with Studio.. then recorded a short moving back to VSCode

now studio is 💨

[rocky canyon]

yea for a lack of a better term

when u save u code and click into unity,
that little progress bar is it compiling all the code

[split plover]

what progress bar

[rocky canyon]

if u have something that wont compile u get that error..
"Fix all Compile Errors before entering Play Mode"

umm this one?

[split plover]

oh

[rich adder]

every time you mess with the ingredients they have to be correct otherwise unity cant bake a delicious cake

[split plover]

i never notice it

[split plover]

I don't think unity can do that..

[rocky canyon]

humble flex

[rich adder]

bro got windows 40k

[rocky canyon]

hopefully it bakes cakes faster than lights

[split plover]

maybe next time i shouldn't ignore the "fix all compile errors" and i should think thats the reason my movement completely broke and not the fact my jumping wasn't working

[rocky canyon]

ur game wont even run w/ compile errors

[rich adder]

well you wouldnt be able to even hit playmode if it can't compile

[split plover]

yeah i didn't notice the fact it literally wasn't running i just assummed it wasn't working 😭

[rich adder]

it will give you a warning popup tho

[split plover]

i am way more dumb than i thought

[rocky canyon]

yup compile errors are errors in the code itself (like code that wont work at all)

runtime errors are code that works but may not work correctly

runtime errors will show during playmode in the console..

compile errors will not.. (b/c it cant compile to know whats wrong)

that why we then refer to the IDE

and let it help point out the errors

[split plover]

so like things that are set to null? (so far aside from setting a float to a bool for some fucking reason that has been my only real error)

[rocky canyon]

ya, those would be runtime errors

[split plover]

makes sense

[rich adder]

Null Reference Exceptions for example

those only happen at runtime

[split plover]

yeah the thing i've gotten i think like 7 times now

[rocky canyon]

but that means the code compiled!!

so win win 😄

but then fail

[split plover]

i dont think im good at coding

[rich adder]

happens to all of us at some point lol

[rocky canyon]

5 years in and im still not good at coding

but i can make things happen!

just not Optimally

[split plover]

Well you can be horrible at coding and still make a good game it just takes longer and isn't as good

[rich adder]

its a good thing, it tells you at least you gorgot to assign something.. Some people do put Null check which hides an error showing up but item might still be NULL and not what you want..

[rocky canyon]

true... players cant see ur code 😏

as long as their concerned it either works it doesnt

[brave robin]

Undertale is horribly coded. But a great game

[rocky canyon]

i would argue that Celeste is also coded horribly

[brave robin]

The player is a god class, if I remember correctly?

[split plover]

yeah my only issue is that idk if i can make a 3d game thats supposed to also have good graphics with horrid code

[rocky canyon]

the entire game lives in the player class 😄

from what ive heard

[split plover]

idk how much bad code affects performance so idk how much i have to focus on it

[rich adder]

good graphics and code completely different topics

[rocky canyon]

never focus on optimizing unless u have to

[split plover]

yeah but if the code is bad enough i wouldn't be able to run the game at all so like

[rocky canyon]

thats the word around here

[rich adder]

it can affect it at a lot, but not something you should worry in the beginning

[split plover]

ok im gonna welcome 300 if else statements back into my code that i dont even understand 👍

[brave robin]

Well there's bad code because its impossible to understand and maintain, and bad code because it's doing the work all wrong and inefficiently

[rich adder]

if statements are cheap, last thing you should worry (performance wise)

[rocky canyon]

well u have to use a bit of common sense

make it 150 and ill call it good

[split plover]

1500 take it or leave it

[rocky canyon]

ur entire class should never be that big

[rich adder]

also you can't make it illegible and confusing for you and your future self, thats what also makes good code

[rocky canyon]

if it is.. ur doing something wrong 😄

back when i first started i had a character controller that was 2500 lines long

[split plover]

Good point

[split plover]

well

that does sound like what im gonna end up having but

[rich adder]

ahhh the memories of Monoliths 😄

[brave robin]

My level builder editor tool is around 2000 lines, but its just editor code so I don't care

[rocky canyon]

i got it dropped down to 300

with the EXACT same functionallity

[rich adder]

I mean some of Unitys classes go over 2000+ lines

[ruby python]

Is it at all possible to import/use an image larger than 16k via code? (ie. read the image directly from disk or something?)

[split plover]

So quick question for later should i make different selectable characters have my base player script as a parent or should i use the base player script and hope that 2000 lines of code doesn't break the game

[rocky canyon]

a level builder i wouldnt expect anything less than 500 lines

2000 lines wont break the game.. it might break ur sanity

u basically want to worry about readibility at first

make it readible.. make it understandable

dont shoot urself in the foot

[split plover]

good enough i'll use one player script to control like 12 selectable characters this will only turn out good probably

[rich adder]

it just makes it difficult to debug if you cramm so many things in one spot

[split plover]

I have done this before

[rocky canyon]

we all have...

if we're doing it right

[split plover]

well i dropped a knife on my foot but basically the same thing since its an expression

[rocky canyon]

theres no way someone can forsee every issue or bug

[split plover]

well no im being serious

[rocky canyon]

superhuman 🦸‍♂️

[rich adder]

You can only learn by making mistakes and correcting them

[split plover]

yeah i've learnt to never hold a knife loose

[rocky canyon]

well.. then u should practice trigger safety

[split plover]

well like i said it was a knife that i dropped and not a gun but still

[rocky canyon]

lol.. good thing we dont code with knives

ull be fine

[split plover]

anyways i am gonna go back to coding though since i have a lot more code to rewrite

[rocky canyon]

🍀

[split plover]

have a good day guys im getting off discord for now

[rich adder]

lol make an automated knife that slices you every time you make a code error

[rocky canyon]

u do the same

[rocky canyon]

ngl.. that'd be some really good reinforcement learning

[brave robin]

The rule tile in earlier iterations was a monstrous beast of a class that was defnitely over 2000 lines

[rocky canyon]

doctor, i dont need to go to therapy.. thats not what it looks like.. im just a bad coder

[rocky canyon]

rule tile.. as in tilemaps?

[brave robin]

Its mostly a lot of boiler plate, since all the hoops you have to jump through when working with editor inspectors

[rocky canyon]

i figured thats abunch of classes

[brave robin]

Yup

[rocky canyon]

👀 i bet thats a crazy looking class

[brave robin]

It is now, a lot of it got moved out into the base class. But I remember when all of the conditions for neighbours were in it, plus it was doing some funky bitmapping to generate the inspector icons, so that you didn't need separate texture assets

[rocky canyon]

i forget.. does that system support custom rules

or is it all just basic stuff

[brave robin]

You can with override tiles. The rules can be anything if you code them into the override tile implementation. In the basic rule tile it's just if the same tile is a neighbour, and where it is in relation to it

[rocky canyon]

i have total respect for anyone building tilemap based games

not my cup of tea.. but impressive

sounds like that algorithm.. whats it called...

wave collapse

something

[brave robin]

My 3D dungeon crawler uses tilemaps to automate the arrangement of 3D assets in each cell of the map. Its super useful for that, but only that, as there's no 2D sprites

[rocky canyon]

wave function collapse

thats it

[brave robin]

that's for procgen, which isn't a requirement for most tilemap games

[rocky canyon]

ahh

[brave robin]

But it does use rules, so its related

[rocky canyon]

okay.. for whatever reason i think of the two as being similar

probably the most intimidating algorithm/function ive encountered so far

[brave robin]

The rules for wave function collapse are a bit more extensive, since you're not just determining what variation of a tile fits that position, but what other tiles are allowed to be near it

like shore can be next to water and land, but water cannot be next to land

[fiery swift]

Im returning to unity after a few years and ive tried to make a first person controller but I cant for the life of me get a camera controller that 1 is smooth (and not choppy/lagging behind) and 2 is compatible with the player (if I look in a circle and hold W down the player should move in a circle, not a straight line) could anyone please help me?

[frail hawk]

have you looked at this https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/essentials/starter-assets-firstperson-updates-in-new-charactercontroller-pa-196525

[frail hawk]

@fiery swift

[split plover]

Quick question about Visual Studio Community 2022, Why does it keep telling me to make random things readonly?

[rich adder]

because if you only assign it at initializer then it can be readonly since its not assigned in other places.. its not a big deal if you don't

[split plover]

Oh

[rich adder]

micro-efficiency

• prevents it from being touched accidentally from other places so its also a form of that

[split plover]

Yeah i dont really see much of a point in that but i might use it in the future if i ever have to i guess

[split plover]

makes sense

[rich adder]

basically you're saying (in code) you can only assign it here (initilizer / constructor)

[fiery swift]

im not using the character controller, I tried to make my own rigidbody movement

[frail hawk]

fine

[rich adder]

this is a pretty complex topic

[fiery swift]

not really

[rich adder]

then why are you here lol

[fiery swift]

because idk how to fix it

[rich adder]

is there a specific reason not to use premade character controller

[fiery swift]

yup

[frail hawk]

i feel like the rb gives you much more control

[rich adder]

only kinematic

such as CC

[fiery swift]

yes but I want to use it because Im trying to preserve and move physics and momentum between different places like in portal

[rich adder]

imo Dynamic Physics based RB is less control because you're dealing with outside forces affecting it

[rich adder]

those are things that most controllers simulate rather than relying on inbuilt physics

[fiery swift]

wdym

[rich adder]

pretty rare for characters to have dynamic physics based rb, thats usually done for Active Ragdoll type controllers

[rich adder]

things like momentum and velocity / acceleration can be easily coded but you're more in control of it rather than the physics system

[fiery swift]

but I want physics

the whole point is to make it realistic and physics based, it wouldnt be fair for the player if I could magically alter the characters velocity

[rich adder]

what specifically about physics though ? more things need to be considered with dynamic bodies especially the execution order of events and where certain thiings are called

[rich adder]

"realistic and physics based" this is vague

solutions like KCC exist for a reason lol

[fiery swift]

why comment on how I want to make my games? If you cant help me just say so, pretty unnecessary to slander my stuff if youre not going to help me

[rich adder]

if you believe Im slandering instead of trying to understand what exactly you want to do idk what to tell ya bud

[rich adder]

how's that slandering ?

using the word Realisitc in a video game is pretty hilarious, what does it even mean lol

[polar acorn]

...what slander?

[fiery swift]

okay maybe not slander, but not help either

[polar acorn]

Your statement is vague. "Realistic and Physics Based" describes basically nothing

[fiery swift]

i think you know what realistic means

[polar acorn]

It's a request for more information in order to answer

[rich adder]

i cant help if I dont understand the exact features you deem "Realistic" etc

[polar acorn]

Unity's built-in physics aren't "realistic", they "realist-ish". If you want realism you're going to be doing Kinematic RBs and computing the math yourself

[fiery swift]

dude youre acting like an ai who cant think for himself. I already explained this. preserving momentum and velocity is not the kcc's strong suit

[fiery swift]

well if you look at the channel name were talking in, you can see it says "codebeginner"

[polar acorn]

KCC handles momentum quite well, actually. It returns the velocity as an out vector after doing any processing on it so you can store it wherever

[fiery swift]

well I dont think so 🤷‍♂️ so id rather use a rb

[polar acorn]

Yes? Which is why you were suggested easier methods than doing all the math by hand

But you don't want to do those

[rich adder]

KCC is still a rigidbody, is just kinematic where the forces are done for you to have more control

i think you misunderstand Rigidbody is not necessarily dynamics only

[fiery swift]

yes believe it or not, I dont want to recode my entire movement code. Id just like a camera controller, but now you two are making it about something else for no reason at all. Why keep up with this if youre not going to help?

[rich adder]

the movement code plays a big part on how the camera behaves
especially the jittering thing

[polar acorn]

I don't even know why I'm trying to argue with you about how better to phrase your own problem, if you don't actually want any answers I don't know why it would matter to me

[naive pawn]

@fiery swift could you summarize your constraints and goals

[fiery swift]

forget it

[rich adder]

very strange..

[fiery swift]

not really

[rich adder]

Mate you have the maturity level of a teen, look i get it but its not gonna get you anything to be that way to others who are trying to better understand the problem / possibly offer alternatives

[sharp bloom]

In few seconds in this clip, my camera script applies a weird "snap" motion. It always does this when I enter playmode once, but after that it works normally. What's up with that?

[rich adder]

get offended or thinking someone is being critical just by asking some question is a weird flex..

[sharp bloom]

You can see on the inspector I read the mouse delta values and rotate the camera based on those

[polar acorn]

Probably because it's sort of "queueing" a bunch of mouse movement from the time it takes to load play mode

if it only happens on startup, I wouldn't really worry about it

[sharp bloom]

Yeah I thought it might be something like that

[rich adder]

you should probably show the code as well

[naive pawn]

yeah it might be accentuated by Time.deltaTime

[fiery swift]

well if you look at my original message I explained my problem and asked for help, you told me to use an entirely different controller which would be a big workaround and then got defensive for some reason when I explained why I wasnted to use a rigidbody instead

[polar acorn]

Yeah, the first frame is gonna have a really big deltaTime since it takes a while to load up

[naive pawn]

the reload domain actually occurs after some loading so the deltaTime is gonna be way bigger than normal

[naive pawn]

weren't you asking for a different controller in your original message?

[sharp bloom]

void Update()
    {
        PlayerMove();
    }

    void PlayerMove()
    {
        var inputDirection = gameInput.movementInput.normalized;
        Vector3 velocity = (transform.forward * gameInput.movementInput.y + transform.right * gameInput.movementInput.x);
        
        transform.Rotate(Vector3.up * gameInput.mouseDelta.x * Time.deltaTime * mouseSensitivity, Space.Self);
        transform.Translate(velocity * movementSpeed * Time.deltaTime, Space.World);
        float cameraTilt = Mathf.Clamp(gameInput.mouseDelta.y, -0.5f, 0.5f);
        
        playerCamera.transform.Rotate(Vector3.right * gameInput.mouseDelta.y * Time.deltaTime * -mouseSensitivity, Space.Self);
    }

[naive pawn]

yeah, don't use deltaTime with mouseDelta

[rich adder]

your mentioned a few things but it was very vague, also suggesting using a premade controller is totally valid. since some people want something that "just works" rather than having to recode an entire controller.
most controllers are not that unique and can be easily extended on instead

[sharp bloom]

Okay got it

Thanks

[fiery swift]

nope, just a camera script/controller. not new movement

[rich adder]

spoiler alert : Movement is related to the camera

[naive pawn]

it won't solve the issue (it wasn't really an issue to begin with, just first-frame things) but that's just a latent issue that happened to make the effect stronger (and it'll make mouse input inconsistent with different framerates)

[fiery swift]

Yes I know, thats why I had the issue... Even though theyre related theyre not the same thing

[naive pawn]

like, just the rotation aspect? im confused what exactly you're looking for

[rich adder]

they're not but how you move the character and how you rotate the camera very much matters

[polar acorn]

You will probably need to change your math a bit, your mouse sensitivity number probably needs to increase

[naive pawn]

(probably the opposite, since it had to counteract deltatime before)

[sharp bloom]

Should I use FixedUpdate() here?

[fiery swift]

I had a rigidbody based movement and a separate camerascript, but no matter what I did the camera either 1 jittered or 2 didnt update the player rotation.

[naive pawn]

no, input is framebound

[rich adder]

you should not be using the input.x directly

you should use a separate value you add onto

[polar acorn]

Oh, right. I am not firing on all cylinders today

[naive pawn]

mouseDelta is the distance the mouse moved since the last frame

[rich adder]

rotate( mouse.x * speed) // no good
//better way
compoundedValue += mouse.x;
compoundedValue = mathf.clamp(compoundedValue, min, max)
rotate( compoundedValue * speed)

[rocky canyon]

is it common to use a Struct to grab input / frame? and then read from the struct?

ive now seen this twice..

[naive pawn]

it seems to be a common thing in tutorials, ive seen it a lot of times

well, not a struct, but an intermediate class that grabs the input

[rocky canyon]

public struct FrameInput
{
    public bool JumpDown;
    public bool JumpHeld;
    public Vector2 Move;
}

[rocky canyon]

ah okay.. just curious i think i may start using my inputs like that

seems clean

        private void RotateCamera()
        {
            // get our input
            Vector2 inputValues = new Vector2(Input.GetAxisRaw("Mouse X"),Input.GetAxisRaw("Mouse Y"));
            inputValues *= lookSensitivity * smoothing;

            smoothedVelocity.x = Mathf.Lerp(smoothedVelocity.x,inputValues.x,1f / smoothing);
            smoothedVelocity.y = Mathf.Lerp(smoothedVelocity.y,inputValues.y,1f / smoothing);

            currentLookingPos += smoothedVelocity;

            // Clamp the vertical rotation to limit the angle
            currentLookingPos.y = Mathf.Clamp(currentLookingPos.y,-verticalLookLimit,verticalLookLimit);

            // rotate the camera on its X axis (up and down)
            transform.localRotation = Quaternion.AngleAxis(-currentLookingPos.y,Vector3.right);

            // rotate the player on its Y axis (left and right)
            controller.transform.localRotation = Quaternion.AngleAxis(currentLookingPos.x,controller.transform.up);
        }``` heres mine... as example / code review *putting myself out there*

[pallid nymph]

mm... I think the usual approach to inputs is to have 1 class that does stuff (say character movement), and another one that gets the inputs and converts them to whatever the first class needs... idea being that if you wanna do AI, it won't use inputs, but it'll tell the same class that does things what to do

[rocky canyon]

ya, the reason i asked.. b/c the structs in the same class as the movement... it just assigns it to a struct it then reads from.. during the input() loop

[sharp bloom]

Yes I do that as well

[rocky canyon]

i always use private variables Vector2s and bools

but never did it with a struct

[rich adder]

yeah this is mainly why I just make methods that accept a value rather than referencing input classes

public void Move(vector2 input)
this can come from player Input, AI etc .

[naive pawn]

yes this is a mistake that i realized a few days ago lmao

[rocky canyon]

just odd to me... thats all

[naive pawn]

my player controller is tightly coupled with input and i had to make a "mirror" kind of enemy with a completely separate script lol
had to then sync some changes that affected both

[rocky canyon]

i guess if i wanted to use the input from another class it'd make more sense

[pallid nymph]

if you just use the struct as a replacement of a few fields - it's almost the same, so up to you I guess (I wouldn't bother with a struct unless I wanna be sending those around together as one thing)

[rich adder]

ahh polling, its been a while..

[rocky canyon]

ya exactly.. okay same page

[rocky canyon]

Tarodev's platformer code

[rocky canyon]

nice to stretch the legs.. and poll every now and then 😉

lol

[naive pawn]

not that it matters, but wouldn't a class be increasingly more performant as the amount of input actions grows

not one every frame, just one that has fields reassigned to

[pallid nymph]

yes, but to clarify, that vector should (probably) be world space... not the x and y input axes

[rich adder]

isnt the Struct more performant since its all on the stack ?
all the fields are value types anyway

[rocky canyon]

ya, if i were to grow the struct i'd probably just swap to the input system anyway

events > pollin

[brave robin]

struct is more performant until you need to copy a very large one

[rich adder]

true dont make it too big

[rocky canyon]

coo.. coo..

[naive pawn]

with a struct you would have to copy all the values around the stack every frame

[rocky canyon]

only my savedata structs are any bigger than 3 or 4 values

[rich adder]

but maybe you can create smaller structs, I see thats what unity does a lot

[rocky canyon]

and those get loaded in at menu screen

[rich adder]

struct within struct

[naive pawn]

with a shared class reference you only have to copy that once to share the reference

[rocky canyon]

structception / structursive

[brave robin]

I do use some large structs, but because I'm less concerned with speed and more about garbage, because I use and throw these structs away at a fast rate
As classes they'd spew garbage constantly

[pallid nymph]

generally the performance considerations should come after profiling and detecting issues... everything else is kinda guesstimates, it really depends on usage

[naive pawn]

yeah to be clear i'm talking about like 3 extra MOVs

nothing that matters, just theoretically

[rocky canyon]

-# ai 2cents

[eternal needle]

there isnt really a reason to use a struct there. you dont really need structs in many cases at all

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/standard/design-guidelines/choosing-between-class-and-struct

[rocky canyon]

cool cool.. thats all i was really wondering about...

[eternal needle]

yours falls under a few of those categories but does not "logically represents a single value"

[rocky canyon]

i dont see it very often.. but when i do its liek chris mentioned.. and its usually in tutorials

[naive pawn]

(is there interest to discuss at this level? i feel like a containment thread would be appropriate lol)

[rocky canyon]

or github code

[pallid nymph]

I'll just note that one should treat these more as guidelines than strict rules.

[rich adder]

structs are must if you're doing Netcode

they are optimal to send over the wire

you don't want to be sending reference types over the wire

RPC did not support class types

[pallid nymph]

I'm 97% sure you can extend it (implement some interface or something) to handle classes... but also my approach is: just go with what's easiest, until you have a reason to be "smart"

[eternal needle]

well yes, this is under the "design guidelines" section

[pallid nymph]

Fair, I just feel it's always worth reminding people there are no strict rules in programming, and there are many valid ways to do things 😅

[rocky canyon]

ahh now that makes sense

[orchid swallow]

why is yvelocity not resetting to zero?

[pallid nymph]

That is zero... kinda 😄

no idea what and how is setting it.. but yeah, that's (most likely) 0 with a bit of float imprecision

[naive pawn]

that's a value that's very very close to zero

if i had to guess, it's the amount of gravity that can be applied within 1 tick
but that's kinda a poor guess without actually seeing code

[naive pawn]

!code

[eternal falcon]

Posting code

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[naive pawn]

but yeah it's probably just this

[celest holly]

is there a really easy work around to get enemies to follow a predefined path instead of calculating rays around them all the time? im trying tomake a pacman ghost ai but it would be so much easier with a path

[naive pawn]

-# i mean if you re-implement the original AI that'd probably be easiest, with everything being on a grid and such

[rocky canyon]

true story..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ataGotQ7ir8&t=1s

good watch regardless 🙂

if u use normal pathing it wont be similar to the original.. it'll be soo much more predictable

[naive pawn]

yeah this is what i was thinking of lmao

[rocky canyon]

classic AI

i think everyone should know the ghost's rulesets

[naive pawn]

well, maybe skip the skewed randomizer lol

[rocky canyon]

well i take that back. (normal pathing would be fine)
but u'd still want waypoints and some kind of behaviour tree

to have the ghosts move unique from each other

[wise cairn]

how do i fix this?

[rich adder]

Switch the input to old if you want to use the old Input class, or use Both

[wise cairn]

what is new input class and how do i use it, i'm just doing what i saw on the unity essentials guide

[rich adder]

its just updated system, it has better features but a bit of learning curve cause has multiple ways to work

most tutorials still use Old if you want to use new there are guides to do so, and documentation. Having it on both you can learn a bit of new one

[wise cairn]

how do i use the new one

[rich adder]

https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.inputsystem@1.14/manual/index.html

[wise cairn]

thank you

[wise cairn]

how do i switch the input

[rich adder]

it tells you in the console message, Player Settings

[wise cairn]

where is that, very new to unity sorry

[rich adder]

yes make sure to google as well for these.
Edit -> Project Settings -Player

[wise cairn]

oh lmao i just found it right before you sent that

am i blind i can't find input handling 😭

nvm

[spiral oracle]

why doesn't this work, doesn't Transform have a position property?

bruh I forgot the index

nvm

[polar acorn]

Transform does, but Transform[] does not

[lilac fractal]

Hello friends, I come for humble guidance once more.
I'm making a game that uses projectile physics to interact with enemies.

Projectiles have weight, bounciness, and speed
Enemies have weight as well

I've set these up as custom fields either in scriptable objects or monobehaviors, but I'm sitting here looking at the fact that some of these concepts are mirrored - projectiles and enemies have RigidBody2D which has weight.. and now I'm learning about PhysicsMaterial2D, which has its own bounciness.

Since my game IS physics-based, I'm somewhat thinking I'm hurting myself by recreating physics concepts, and I should use the built-in stuff.
What do you think?

[spiral oracle]

yeah lol I forgot to add [i] after spots

[sour fulcrum]

Depends on how physics based your game is but i'd maybe prototype using the built in stuff and see if it's neccasary to roll your own stuff or not

[lilac fractal]

Yeah that's.. kinda what I'm leaning towards

no reason to believe it doesn't work for me

plus I don't have to worry about keeping my scripts & editor in sync

[nimble apex]

lets say i have a room list for players to join, currently its 50 at maximum, ofc i need to refresh it at a constant rate , maybe 30sec or so, what ways u guy recommend, performance wise

1. destroy and respawn
2. object pooling it and do 1
3. store them in a list in first invocation and then modify the element in the list (which is what im trying to do)

3 for me should be the cheapest method among others

[teal viper]

If you do 1(in 2), it's not pooling. 3 is a basically pooling.

[eternal needle]

What object here are you refering to, considering for pooling?

[nimble apex]

2 is object pooling, but will recycle instead of destroy directly

ok i think i gonna do 3

[nimble apex]

ty i think i know what to do now

👍

[pallid nymph]

Isn't this out of game? Performance is unlikely to be particularly important.

[faint sluice]

Hello, has anyone faced the issue where when building for Android just stops at first scene? Like there's no errors or anything but build just freezes and in task manager it says editor not responding

It just shows "building scene 0" endlessly

[pallid nymph]

You can check the editor log, see if it has anything interesting. But other than that - no idea.

[faint sluice]

How to get that when editor has freezed mid build 🫠

Even cancelling doesn't work, have to restart the editor

[pallid nymph]

It's a file... somewhere 😄

Ask Google, I don't remember the exact location

[faint sluice]

Wait wat? I thought we only get it in editor, gimme a second I'll check

[cursive cipher]

In unity I am using HDRP 17.0.4. My project is a flight simulation and terrain is from cesium. I have implemented volumetric clouds in my scene. Since it is unity then I have to origin shift the whole environment. But the volumetric clouds are not origin shifting properly as they are jumpy each the origin is shifted.

Below is my script that I have implemented for origin shifting the whole environment including clouds.

[topaz mortar]

What's a simple way to do local avoidance in 2d with Vector2.MoveTowards?
Is there any way to find an available path to the left or right of an obstacle?
Or do I just throw out several linecasts until I don't hit an obstacle, then move that way?

Or is it possible to do a ShapeCast and then calculate the best new target position from that?

[eager spindle]

pathfinding

a whole topic of research

[eager spindle]

the overall idea is to split the area into a grid. check which grids have obstacles in the way. then use an algorithm like A star to find the shortest path

It's a little difficult to explain over discord, you might want to look into pathfinding in 2d

[topaz mortar]

that's not what I want to do at all ... my units know where to move, I don't need pathfinding
I want them to go around moving obstacles on the way (this is called local avoidance)

what this means for my game is, my units are moving to a fixed point with Vector2.MoveTowards, this works
but other units are also moving to that point and back, around it, ...

I just need a simple way to make them move left or right a bit, so they look like they're avoiding each other (read: not all my units are stacked on top of each other)

doesn't need to be perfect at all

[eternal needle]

if we're talking about some arbitrary obstacles, then this is an issue with your pathfinding. they shouldnt be trying to move into arbitrary unknown obstacles in the first place.
Otherwise its entirely up to you how this avoidance should work while making sure its still going to be on a valid path after taking a detour. If you want it to just move left or right, consider changing the direction based on the normal of the surface infront of it. theres no guarantee this is a valid path though

it would also be very easy to draw up cases where this fails entirely

[topaz mortar]

yeah that's exactly what I'm asking, how do I "change the direction based on the normal of the surface in front of it"? I don't really know what that means or how that works

I've looked up some tutorials, but none of them work with Vector2.MoveTowards

and I'm extremely bad at understanding the logic/math behind movement

[eternal needle]

I'm not sure what MoveTowards has to do with this. Its just a function to manipulate a vector. It doesn't move anything.

[eternal needle]

The normal is the direction facing outward from a surface. You can get it through the physics casts

[topaz mortar]

the tutorial I watched just made the unit move forward and adjusted the rotation

which doesn't work for my game

[topaz mortar]

but how does that help me alter the target for Vector2.MoveTowards?

[median hatch]

2d game?

[topaz mortar]

yes

hence the Vector2 😛

[median hatch]

why not raycasting?

[eternal needle]

Again idk what MoveTowards has to do with this here. You aren't restricted to using this alone and it affects nothing about the actual problem

[topaz mortar]

I'm using raycasts now to detect if another unit is in front, then move the target a bit to the left, but it's very hard to figure out where to move the target

[delicate portal]

Hey, I added two more lines to the manifest.json file
"com.unityfx.outline": "0.8.5", "com.unityfx.outline.urp": "0.5.0",
And I got this error:
What did I do wrong?

[north kiln]

You've presumably got 1 too many commas in your file.
The last item in an array shouldn't have a comma.

[topaz mortar]

looks like a space in front of the 1st line?

[topaz mortar]

wdym you don't see how MoveTowards has nothing to do with it? It's how my units are moving???
I'm not suddenly going to use another method to move them? I'm using MoveTowards for a reason.
MoveTowards has a start & end location.
My question is how do I properly figure out how to set the end location so it goes right next to any other units in the current path

[delicate portal]

Thank you.

[topaz mortar]

Currently I'm using raycasts with a loop that moves the end location left a bit each time, but that's obviously bad

[glad ibex]

How do I get a list of vertices of a mesh that touch another (specified) mesh

[median hatch]

why not find the position of the raycasted enemy, go to that position with some offset?

idk if thats what youre doing already

[topaz mortar]

it's not moving towards an enemy, it's moving towards a fixed point on my map
but other units often cross paths and I don't want them all stacking on top of each other
but the units would, after adjusting their path, still have to move to the initial location

my unit are spawned in a building, then they move towards a resource on the map, they harvest the resource and then run back to their spawn building to deposit
a building can have several units, so right now they're all stacked on top of each other, I just want to make it look a bit better

and have it work with other buildings & units too

[sour fulcrum]

why do you think this isn't pathfinding

[topaz mortar]

you can call it whatever you want, but I have set checkpoints on my map and I'm using Vector2.MoveTowards to move between the checkpoints

[sour fulcrum]

the vector2 movetowards part here doesn't matter for your question

[median hatch]

well you can use A* algorithm

and add each enemy as an "obstacle"

[topaz mortar]

A* is terrible for stuff that constantly moves around

[median hatch]

what else then?

make your own pathfinding algorithm?

[sour fulcrum]

I've had a good experience with Unity's navmesh agent avoidance stuff in a 3d context

[median hatch]

me too

its solid

[topaz mortar]

I'm working with Quantum, it doesn't support any of that stuff ...

[median hatch]

Quantum?

[topaz mortar]

it's a multiplayer framework for unity

[median hatch]

it doesnt support A*?

[sour fulcrum]

what doesn't it support

[topaz mortar]

A* doesn't solve my issue ... I have 100s of units moving around, they know where to move so I don't need A*
I need local avoidance to avoid other units crossing a units path

[eternal needle]

Because it doesn't matter if they use MoveTowards. Maybe reread points i said above. This is just a method to manipulate a vector. The function Vector2.MoveToward is NOT moving the transform.

Anyways the main answer to this is what is still what I said initially. #💻┃code-beginner message
You either fix the pathfinding or modify your movement vector based on the normal of what your physics casts hit

[median hatch]

thats what pathfinding is for

[topaz mortar]

but you never told me how to modify my movement vector based on the normal of my physics cast hit ...
which is exactly my original question

[median hatch]

i know unity navmesh has a radius property

creates this bubble around the object

[topaz mortar]

quantum 3 doesn't support moving objects with navmesh

[median hatch]

and you set the radius so other objects move a certain amount around them

not saying to use navmesh

im saying you can do something similar

[sour fulcrum]

you don't need to move an object with navmesh to sample it

[glad ibex]

How can I get a list of vertices of a mesh that touch another (specified) mesh?

[eternal needle]

You modify it literally however you want. Like rotate your movement vector towards this normal using the built in vector functions if you want.

[topaz mortar]

I have no idea what any of that means 😦

[eternal needle]

🤷‍♂️ then maybe multiplayer is a massive overscope. You can also very easily Google stuff youre unsure of like what the normal is or how to rotate a vector.

[topaz mortar]

maybe trying to help ppl in a beginner channel is massive overscope for you

[eternal needle]

Great, will take note and block you so you dont need to suffer with my help then. If you cant google to try understanding a term, and wont specify what you struggle with more than "i dont understand anything" then I suspect others wont have much patience either.

[sour fulcrum]

Posting a problem in a beginner channel doesn't mean it's a beginner problem

[burnt vapor]

I'm confused how it's Bawsi's problem when you don't know the terms

I wanted to say that I would personally Google these terms as is done with plenty of other things, but this was already pointed out

[chilly prism]

how do i make an object constantly rotate in the z axis in unity

i want an object to constantly spin

nvm i figured it out

[sharp bloom]

Is it just me or why does this seem to happen constantly now in this channel? Beginner getting frustrated and aggressive at help given.

[naive pawn]

it's not really a new phenomenon

[fickle plume]

First of all, don't snap at people trying to help you.

Second, using pathfinding like A* or even more rudimentary one will certainly make collision avoidance much simpler.
But if you are using a naive approach and just want an object take evasive actions you were advised already, raycast the obstacle, and if it has a meaningful shape that can help to figure out which way to star avoidance, start turning that direction. If you are dead set to using MoveTowards method, you'll have to give it an arbitrary point to move towards for several frames to clear the target.

[sharp bloom]

I had that kind of naive collision avoidance in one of my previous school projects, and honestly while it was easy to initially implement, it was horrible to expand on and had bugs all the time (objects getting stuck, overlapping with each other etc.)

Now I would bite the bullet and implement a proper pathfinding algorithm right away xd

[fickle plume]

Yes, it will get very messy when more objects are introduced.

To manage traffic you need to act on some amount of data, can obstacles clear eventually, how long would be to go around and is it worth it, etc.

[eternal needle]

I did try to bring that up from the start. #💻┃code-beginner message
It did seem like they were asking about going around another AI but I had doubts since the movement seemed purely based on going towards an end point

[eternal needle]

It definitely has been happening for awhile. Anything that isnt a direct solution to a problem leads to more frustration. Maybe relating to the same mindset a lot have with "its just this ONE problem then I'm done!". Beginners also seem to take realistic advice as a personal attack a lot of time. Being told a feature isnt realistic (usually multiplayer) does seem to get a lot of hate back

[acoustic belfry]

Hey, what negative differences have using an Int and an Enum State for States apart of readability. Cuz now realizing i have found some good uses for Int Method but im not sure if is a good idea

[naive pawn]

enums are just integers with names

the main benefits of having an enum are the type name and each member's name
enum members show up as a dropdown by name in inspector fields as well

[eternal needle]

The readability is pretty much the big purpose. When you want to reference a value, you dont need to know what int value is associated with a certain state

[eager elm]

you can cast an enum to int

[eternal needle]

There isnt really a reason to use ints as states imo because you're not going to be doing any math on them anyways. Any negative effects (if we're talking performance/memory) would be almost 0 in relation to the whole rest of the game

[acoustic belfry]

Oh. How?

[naive pawn]

(int)enumValue

that's what a cast is

[burnt vapor]

There is very very very very very basic support for combining multiple enum values as flags, but it's really horrible in Unity as it's behind on its .NET version and not optimized in the slightest. Right now you should really just use enums for readability, but you are right that it's questionable if you should even use them.

Also note that enums don't define a clamp of numbers. If your enum goes to 5 you can still define 6 and it will be valid. There is absolutely no security here

[trail heart]

You can't because that information is not provided by any existing API
Technically you could make one, but it's very unlikely to be worth the difficulty and performance cost
There's a reason why mesh colliders are avoided

[naive pawn]

wdym, it's just bitwise operations

[burnt vapor]

HasFlag

[acoustic belfry]

I mean cuz this also means i can make a flexible function for detect states

I mean.

If i need an animation event or external script to change this script states, if i used INT i could just change it. But i dont know what to do with this

[burnt vapor]

Or just various operations in general involving enums. Modern .NET has massively improved its performance, it's really bad in Unity

[naive pawn]

how is a lack of that "really horrible"?

it's just a single bitwise operation you can very easily write yourself

[burnt vapor]

That's my point...........

[naive pawn]

you made it out like enums can't be used at all lmao

[eternal needle]

I have a sneaking suspicion an enum would never cause a performance issue in relation to literally anything unity related.
This feels like a bit of an exaggeration

[naive pawn]

"very very very very very basic support", "it's really horrible"
when it's just a & with a name that's missing lmao

[burnt vapor]

It is if you excessively use it like many other things. It won't matter if you just use it once in a while

[burnt vapor]

You are misunderstanding my message

or you only read half of it

[acoustic belfry]

And also a function in the Enemy base that puts a delay (wait until timer =< 0) and then changes state. Is hard to do so if the base doesnt havd the state.

But each enemy has it own stayes

[naive pawn]

please, do tell me what i'm missing

[north kiln]

It's totally fine if you just avoid the bad APIs that box, which is very easy to do with some basic knowledge

[burnt vapor]

Enums and their functionality have bad performance in Unity, because it's not optimized. That's the whole point I am making

HasFlag and such

[naive pawn]

and HasFlag is more optimized?

[burnt vapor]

Point is that you should just write your own API instead because you don't have all the edge cases being covered

[naive pawn]

it's a single bitwise operation, it's not gonna matter
HasFlag would be less optimized with the function overhead lol

performance is nowhere near a concern for this

[north kiln]

HasFlag doesn't box in modern .NET, that's the only enum API I'm aware of that sucks in Unity

[burnt vapor]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/profiling/performance-insights-enum-hasflag?view=vs-2022

[acoustic belfry]

But guys. What i should do?

[eternal needle]

An external script can call a method and pass an enum. This doesn't change compared to use if you used int

[burnt vapor]

You can just use enums, just know about the performance issues that you can encounter from excessive usage of functions like HasFlag and GetValues and such

[acoustic belfry]

So i better use Int then?

[burnt vapor]

No

You can just write your own methods instead

[eternal needle]

I do wonder how many thousands of times id need to call it to see a performance issue

Per frame

[naive pawn]

ahh i see what you were trying to say now
the "very very very very very basic support" led me to think you were saying that the method didn't exist lol

& is always still an option, so idk what the issue is

[burnt vapor]

No it exists, yes

I mean that like LINQ in Unity, there is a point to be made about performance

[naive pawn]

about GC?

[north kiln]

Enums are backed by integral types, they're practically the same except named, so choose what makes the usages clearer as necessary

[eternal needle]

For this it sounds like it'd be easier if your states were classes. That's usually more common for state machines

[glad ibex]

Brrrr, thanks okay but is it possible to, with a shader to discard dots that are inside another object?

[acoustic belfry]

You mean function?

[glad ibex]

Or anything like that is impossible without dark magic and demon summoning?

[acoustic belfry]

I saw that method but i felt like was slighty complex

Also how u would do the animation thing?

[burnt vapor]

In C# you generally talk about methods

You don't really have functions in C# because a function is always part of a class, making them a method.

[trail heart]

Possibly
Can you describe more what you mean by "discard dots" or what the effect should look like ultimately

[acoustic belfry]

How they look like?

Everytime i said method i meant how to code

[eternal needle]

I rarely use animation events so honestly dont know there. There is the option of attaching behaviors to animation states too for custom logic

[burnt vapor]

What a method looks like? Like Start or Awake in a Monobehaviour. Those are methods

[acoustic belfry]

Atleast for what i been told is similar to call another script function

[burnt vapor]

Anything with a body of code that gets invoked is a method (or a property)

[acoustic belfry]

I thought those were functions ..

Or You mean

Default functions

[burnt vapor]

You can call them functions, everybody will understand what you mean with that

[eternal needle]

It is, but its more modular. Not every state needs to be hardcoded in one class. You can have an abstract state and other classes derive from this, implementing whatever they want.

[burnt vapor]

But C# doesn't really have functions, because functions are not part of a class instance like what we have in C#.

[acoustic belfry]

Oh

[burnt vapor]

Like C, that language has functions I believe

Because you don't put them in a class

The term is very broad, you can just call them the same. I only mention this because you thought they were different here, but in C# they are the same pretty much

But the true name would be methods

[sharp bloom]

IMO they suck. They are super annoying to debug and somehow the whole system feels outdated.

[glad ibex]

So basically I have a fluid in a glass, its a slightly modified cylinder, and I already discard all dots (cut off alpha clipping) on every dot that is under a plane. I give the plane coords every frame using a script. It kinda works, but the side that gets "cut off" is invisible, so I want to make the plane visible in place of the missing side

[naive pawn]

isn't that a free function specifically, methods are also functions, no?

[trail heart]

There are numerous liquid in glass implementations that deal with this challenge among other related ones using shaders and renderer features
I'd look for them as examples

It's possible to do boolean intersections in code, but rarely worth the trouble especially every frame

[burnt vapor]

It's kind of a hard topic because people find methods that do not modify any state to be a function. Like an Add method, a pure function. From what I learned you just don't have functions, period.

If you Google it now you will also have half of them saying they don't exist in C#, and half saying they do exist in one way or another

[naive pawn]

that sounds like the distinction between functions and procudures rather than functions and methods

[glad ibex]

Thank you very much

[trail heart]

The effect was really popular a few years ago (mostly thanks to HL:Alyx's bottles) so there probably are assets and implementations that are ready to use as is, not just as reference

[glad ibex]

Its my first project so I wanna learn to do stuff, but still thx ill look into it

[sharp bloom]

using UnityEngine;
[RequireComponent(typeof(Rigidbody))]
[RequireComponent(typeof(BoxCollider))]
public class Projectile : MonoBehaviour, IDamageDealer
{   
    public float damage { get; private set; }
    public SO_ProjectileConfig config;

    public void DealDamage(float damage, Idamageable target)
    {
        target.TakeDamage(damage);
    }

    private void Start()
    {
        damage = config.projectileDamage;
    }

    private void OnCollisionEnter(Collision collision)
    {
        if(collision.gameObject.TryGetComponent<Idamageable>(out Idamageable newTarget))
        {
            DealDamage(damage, newTarget);
            Debug.Log("damage dealt!");
        }
    }
}

I put this together to create lots of different types of projectiles. It works but I feel it could be a bit more modular still. I have to "manually" create the prefabs with this script attached.
I wonder if there is a good way to spawn the projectiles at runtime with different prefabs, but still using this same script. I hope this makes sense lol.

I thought maybe just change the mesh of the object, but that messes up the materials also.

[spice mist]

so does anyone know why this is happening

[eager spindle]

you set your camera's clear mode to None

set the clear mode to Background and fill it with a solid color

[spice mist]

okk lemme check

should i change the opacity of color?

still happening

[naive pawn]

@spice mist go to #💻┃unity-talk and show the camera inspector

[sharp bloom]

Oh wait, how about spawning whatever prefab and then using AddComponent() to attach my script to it?

[cosmic dagger]

So, you want to add the Projectile script during runtime to the prefab? AddComponent is pretty slow/intensive . . .

You're issue is creating the individual prefabs with the script from the editor?

[sharp bloom]

I'm making this needlessly complicated tbh

[cosmic dagger]

What you have is fine. The only thing the script needs assigned is the SO . . .

[sharp bloom]

I'm not sure if that's even needed

I could probably just set the damage value etc. directly

[cosmic dagger]

You can create a list of SO_ProjectileConfig attached to a separate SO class. When the projectile prefab is spawned, randomly select a SO_ProjectileConfig from that list to assign a different one . . .

It's similar to what I do (have done before) . . .

[sharp bloom]

Oh didn't think of that

Could be nice

[sour fulcrum]

I usually have 1 profile prefab in this context and then the scriptableobject is in charge of spawning it and giving it the data that might make it different etc.

[cosmic dagger]

That is also another option. The SO can have the actual prefab that is spawned as a field. When you select the random projectile to spawn (based on the SO_ProjectileConfig), access the field to instantiate that prefab . . .

[sharp bloom]

And have the projectile script attached to said prefab right?

[cosmic dagger]

Yep . . .

You need an Init or custom method on the Projectile script with a SO_ProjectileConfig param that assigns it to the field on the Projectile. This happens during the instantiation . . .

[sour fulcrum]

This isn't the best but for a bunch of prototypes i've done something like

public abstract class ContentBehaviour : MonoBehaviour
{
    public abstract ScriptableContent Content { get; }

    public abstract void Initialize(ScriptableContent content);
}

public abstract class ContentBehaviour<T> : ContentBehaviour where T : ScriptableContent
{
    public T ContentData { get; private set; }
    public override ScriptableContent Content => ContentData;

    public override void Initialize(ScriptableContent newData)
    {
        ContentData = newData as T;
    }
}

public abstract class ScriptableContent : ScriptableObject
{
    public abstract ContentBehaviour PrefabObject { get; }
}

public abstract class ScriptableContent<T> : ScriptableContent where T : ContentBehaviour
{
    [field: SerializeField] public T Prefab { get; private set; }
    public override ContentBehaviour PrefabObject => Prefab;

    public T SpawnContent()
    {
        Prefab.gameObject.SetActive(false);
        T newInstance = GameObject.Instantiate(Prefab);
        Prefab.gameObject.SetActive(true);
        newInstance.Initialize(this);
        newInstance.gameObject.SetActive(true);
        return (newInstance);
    }
}

This puts the scriptableobject in complete control of spawning new content and the function it uses to do so injects into the newly spawned prefab asap

(i turn the prefab asset off and on between instansiating it in order to delay the awake call until after the so is in the instance)

[sharp bloom]

I did some googling and apparently using AddComponent() vs already having the components attached is a pretty small difference

[sharp bloom]

Sounds good

[boreal night]

Anyone have tips on how to get started on coding or any resources I can use to help guide me on my journey.