💻┃unity-talk

[median roost]

one has players and enemys

one everything else

but the player and enemy one has a yellow background even tho i set it to uninitialized, or set up an overlay

[violet thunder]

Uninitialized
Does not initialize the color buffer. Choose this option only if your Camera or Camera Stack will draw to every pixel in the color buffer.

Sounds like that isn't the right choice here? (I don't urp)

Since the camera is not writing to all pixels

https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.render-pipelines.universal@7.2/manual/camera-component-reference.html

I could be wrong tho

[hard parcel]

Well its extremely cumbersome to deal with, and not very agile. Not to mention the amount of code and setup you need to write to get thing going,

Are there no framework that does it better? Do people use use bare Uitoolkit to do their ui?

also @worldly cave

[worldly cave]

I use the "bare" uitoolkit for my ui without issues honestly

[violet thunder]

What if you set the background to Solid color and set a background color with 0 alpha

[hard parcel]

there are no "issues" it works yea, but you need to do alot just to get something decent.

[gray frigate]

i'm not sure what "agile" would even mean here

[median roost]

just shows up as grey

[worldly cave]

i also dont know what kind of overhead you think the toolkit has but it really doesnt

[gray frigate]

unity does provide AppUI, a framework built atop UITK

[violet thunder]

What should it show as then

[lilac flume]

how does people make tools for unity? is there a sdk for it or smt?

[near wigeon]

"tools for unity" ?

thats vague as hell

[gray frigate]

you write scripts that run in the editor!

[violet thunder]

Editor tools?

[gray frigate]

e.g. you create a custom kind of Overlay, or a new EditorWindow

[violet thunder]

Theres a pretty huge ecosystem around editor tooling

[sonic ginkgo]

hey guys how could I learn to code movement in c# for my BEAN in unity??? I am guessing brackeys is old???

[hard parcel]

It doesnt ? writing ucss/uxml and script all to have a simple UI and then bind it ..

its like back 10 years in web tech - js/hrml/css

[near wigeon]

learn basics first pinned in #💻┃code-beginner

[violet thunder]

Yeah he's probably over 30

Bro's an unc

[lilac flume]

like i heard some people made custom lightning. i wonder how it is possible with c#

[worldly cave]

surprisingly he is only 22

[worldly cave]

depends on what you mean by custom lighting

[hard parcel]

in its current form uitoolkit, is very similar to how webdev use to work, like 10 years ago before frameworks/SPAs, like react angualr and the likes.

[near wigeon]

shoutout to Dear IMGUI as well 😛
https://github.com/ImGuiNET/ImGui.NET

[violet thunder]

The built in physics hasn't really changed so older tutorials should be fine (just don't multiply mouse input with delta time...)

[sonic ginkgo]

I dont think that chat will help? where can I learn the basics. I understand basic code like variables and containers just I am having a hard time knowing where to start

[worldly cave]

in a very old school literal definition of the word that mouse input multiplication issue is technically a meme

[violet thunder]

Worst part is it leaked into chatgpt and now we'll never get rid of it

[near wigeon]

chat? I said check the pins. there are resources..

[sonic ginkgo]

ohhhhh

my baddd

[near wigeon]

training from the best !

[gray frigate]

It is challenging to get a foothold, yeah

[near wigeon]

im sure if you search that in github repos there are dozens

[hard parcel]

for example, to make a simple menu with clickable buttons that would perform some action .. or change some values on the screen.. that alone is a whole process

if you need to find specific element you need to query them just like old JS/jquery..

not to mention working with tables.. which is a total disastre

[worldly cave]

honestly if your building something simple to begin with just use UGUI

[near wigeon]

so if you have a better solution make an asset and sell it. Not sure what you're pitching here

[worldly cave]

be the change you want to see in the world

[hard parcel]

@near wigeon I am not trying to pich or sell it, there's a reason i put it free and open source on git

Its just very weird to me that people rather use the stoneage way, rather something much simple, thats why i was asking if there are other platforms that streamlines this process

[worldly cave]

you can share it in #1179447338188673034

[hard parcel]

I am not really going to gain anything from it, other then hopfully making some people's UI dev live's easier is all

@worldly cave I already posted it in dev-logs. it got so little attention that made me question the entire idea. maybe there's just something better i am not aware of. and i shouldn't have made it to begin with .. no idea.

[near wigeon]

curious to see how your solution might outdo dedicated engineers who design these systems

[tawny quail]

I'm just waiting for PanGUI

[modest meteor]

brackeys is not 22, that would mean he's only 13 years old in this tutorial lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THnivyG0Mvo

[hard parcel]

i cant guess how you would like it, i can however guarantee it makes the process of writing UI's with uitoolkit, significantly shorter and more pleasant

I didnt invent this pattern i just ported it over from web

I took a broadly used solution (react) and applied it to unity.

The framework is not new.. and there's a reason its the most used framwork out there.

[near wigeon]

Dear IMGUI on steroids ?

[tawny quail]

Similar yeah

[worldly cave]

i lied for dramatic effect

[hard parcel]

I guess it would just take time until the first people will start using it, understand it's benefits and word to mouth it.

[worldly cave]

i still recommend you share it in #1179447338188673034

if its free

[hard parcel]

I did - https://discord.com/channels/489222168727519232/1487491007452024842

[fallow sonnet]

Hi

[worldly cave]

im suggesting #1179447338188673034 for a reason lol

but do whatever you want its your choice

[hard parcel]

Ah ... you literally meant the resources channel

Done.

Thanks for the suggestion.

[near wigeon]

Gta Temu

[charred fog]

#1180170818983051344

[hard parcel]

@worldly cave - I’m skeptical it would help, because people seem reluctant to try new things. - guess I'd have to wait and see and just continue using it in my own project.

Either way thanks for the suggestion, laters for now

[wary helm]

How can I get speech to text in unity?

It's so hard

[stuck flower]

https://github.com/Macoron/whisper.unity

[wary helm]

I'm using Linux, and it's always crashing after "trying to load from buffer"

[plain dagger]

native crash? you would need to check this to investigate more.
Feel free to open a thread in #1390346827005431951 if you do

[wary helm]

Yeah, it's debugging "trying to load ggmp-tiny.bin" then "trying to load from buffer" then the editor crashes

[plain dagger]

open the editor log to get the crash stack

!logs

[vagrant root]

📝 Logs

Documentation

Editor logs

Windows: %LOCALAPPDATA%\Unity\Editor\Editor.log
MacOS: ~/Library/Logs/Unity/Editor.log
Linux: ~/.config/unity3d/Editor.log

Unity Hub

Windows: %UserProfile%\AppData\Roaming\UnityHub\logs
Mac: ~/Library/Application support/UnityHub/logs
Linux: ~/.config/UnityHub/logs

[dense coral]

hello there? any one knows some update about the hight ammount of memory usage on 6.3+?
i just opened my project with 6.3.13 today and let for some minutes opened without play any time, and reach 6GB RAM usage.
even on small prototype project without any asset iut´s easy to reach and stay with more than 2GB or more.

[austere dawn]

how much ram do you have? sounds pretty ordinary

[exotic vigil]

Unity is asking for a code from my authenticator app to sign into my account. I never enabled this setting. I can't sign in.

[wary helm]

I fixed it!!!

[near wigeon]

This is something you'd wanna contact unity directly or try again later , nothing anyway here can do anything

[rugged wagon]

Inspector of canvas is greyed out and not editable. pls help

[near wigeon]

thats because canvas sizes is based on the screen.. Hence the name Screen Space

only world canvas can be moved / resized etc. cause they are world objects

canvases are default on screen and do not move / resize unless you change the screen

what it is exactly you're trying to do ? cause touching the canvas sizes/position aint it

[plain dagger]

reading hard

[rugged wagon]

the issue is that the textmesh objects which i manually place on the bottom left corner of the canvas is moving from their position themselves, I have set the box like looking alignment setting to bottom left as well. I though the issue might be due to the canvas issue.

[near wigeon]

changing anything on the canvas itself wont fix it, you have to make sure to properly anchor the object

https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.ugui@1.0/manual/UIBasicLayout.html#anchors

check out Christina Creates Games on YT they provide very good info on anything UI based

[rugged wagon]

kk, i'll check it out. Thanks

[spare obsidian]

Hi, is this a good place to try to get help for something? I'm dealing with unitys input action system atm, I'm trying to figure out how I could get it to where an input action can take the player pressing any random number and then I can grab that number as an int value, would anyone be able to help with that?

I know how to get other values with actions like vectors and stuff but I have no idea how to get it to something like an int

[near wigeon]

You're not going to get an int, you have to parse this yourself

using an actionmap and you have 1-9 for example, maybe something like context.control.name; and then parse it as int from there

[dull sphinx]

does anyone have the standard assets for unity 5?

i use the version out of sentiment but there's no tutorials whatsoever

which prompted me to use the standard assets, and the ones i found didnt work

[vivid cedar]

Is there something specific from them you want?

[near wigeon]

there is this still floating around, you need to change all the old APIs in each script so it don't error.
https://github.com/jamschutz/Unity-Standard-Assets

[dull sphinx]

the FPcontroller, i cannot find ANY tutorials on how to make it myself

[near wigeon]

but agree in most cases what you need already has updated versions like the unity starter assets

FPS controllers are a dime a dozen lol

[dull sphinx]

i used those and got errors, the other ones wouldnt even import

and im halfway sure i got a virus

[near wigeon]

the errors is from the Old apis in certain classes

[vivid cedar]

They came out with a newer more modern one: https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/essentials/starter-assets-firstperson-urp-196525

[near wigeon]

iirc the standard assets was also a rigidbody based, kinda of annoying to work with than character controller (starter assets)

[dull sphinx]

i'll just make my own i think

im too stupid for all of this

and way too stubborn to use a new unity ver

[near wigeon]

you just drop a prefab and its done mate

the only challange comes with adding extra features to it, so you need to study it a bit for that but otherwise easy pz

[dull sphinx]

im using unity 5 😢

[vivid cedar]

Yeah... why lmao

that's like using Windows XP at this point

[dull sphinx]

sentiment

[vivid cedar]

AFAIK it's not even captable of building for many modern platforms.

[abstract umbra]

what is unity 5? the version before 6? meaning unity 2022 ?

[vivid cedar]

no. it's the version before Unity 2017

meaning Unity 2016

[near wigeon]

not even close, its like pre 2017

[dull sphinx]

2015

[vivid cedar]

It's literally over a decade old.

[near wigeon]

you cant even use Textmeshpro n shit

[dull sphinx]

did i mention im stupid

[near wigeon]

you're really holding yourself back

[dull sphinx]

and stubborn

[vivid cedar]

Anyway - a first person controller is pretty simple.

there are many tutorials around

it will be the least of your problems

[dull sphinx]

look at just how beautiful the ui is

it feels like shit because it is shit

[near wigeon]

lol everything was gradient based. yuck

[dull sphinx]

but we're all different

[near wigeon]

also no darkmode 🤮

[dull sphinx]

nongradient buttons suck ass

imo

i hate them

okay nevermind this is literal cancer

sentiment is over

[near wigeon]

the best tools are unity 2017 + at very least

[worldly cave]

im still mad we didnt get that new editor UI

shit is clean as fuck

[near wigeon]

wanna make a cool and easy cutscene ? No Timeline *
want your text not to look like shit esp at high DPI ? no textmeshpro
etc.

[vivid cedar]

looks like Blender

[worldly cave]

hilariously s&box straight up ripped this design for themselves

and i cant blame them

or at least something very similar

[near wigeon]

much better play/pause placement than the first image

[latent meadow]

it is infuriating that there is literally no way to vsync or limit FPS in Scene view on linux nvidia wayland combo

game mode vsyncs fine, or at least limits fps

i think a solid 5 hours i have tried every possible thing that i am aware of, from Args, to mangohud, to gamemoderun, to gamescope, to countless scripts that Should have worked (all while testing with different combinations of 'sync to vblank', vulkan, opengl, etc)

vsync game view while playing. gpu using 35 watts. scene view, unable to vsync, moving the camera an inch, gpu using 170 watts

[torn mulch]

I started my 3D modeling journey not long ago, and right now I’m working on a newspaper texture as a prop. Two of the images I used are AI generated for the sake of the game’s lore - do you think that’s okay? It would be almost impossible to achieve the same result otherwise, unless I spent an entire week creating a realistic 3D scene of a crowd, which would also require a much higher level of skill... and even then, it probably wouldn’t be very noticeable in-game, since the newspaper itself is just a small prop.

I just treat it as a tool, it’s just a small object on the even smaller object… but I wonder what do you think, I don’t want gamers to be mad at me, I’m not taking shortcuts.

[near wigeon]

that’s okay in what way?
don't seek legal advice on discord

[torn mulch]

I don’t seek legal advice, but more like ethical advice.

[near wigeon]

use whatever means gets you there, as long as you have permissions to use

[torn mulch]

alrighty, what do you think about the newspaper texture btw? I think I nailed it, but I’m the very beginner.

[latent meadow]

you can use #1180170818983051344 and to a lesser degree, #🏆┃daily-win to get input

[worldly cave]

I can tell you right now, you almost certainly wont have permission to use the new york times logo and branding in your game

Its also kinda uninspired? Like youre doing all this great worldbuilding but you stop at coming up with a name for a fictional newspaper?

[torn mulch]

I mean, I never thought of that, you’re right.

[near wigeon]

The Metropolitan Ledger etc.

[torn mulch]

I’ll call it The New World Times

[latent meadow]

'The Old Spork Tines' - Sticking it to global news, with stabbing commentary

[torn mulch]

my game is about world falling apart due to lack of oxygen

I mean uh, that’s not what my game is about but that’s what its hidden lore is about. Sry I’m so sleepy.

the game itself is a cozy “working at an oxygen factory” simulator.

what about stuff like “New York” (article about real city) or “S&P 500” (article about stocks)? can I use it? I’m not from U.S…

[latent meadow]

last time. do not seek legal advice here. do your own research

[exotic vigil]

I did but I was just checking to see if maybe other people had this problem. I found out it was a system update for users that were also publishers. They now require 2fa.

[hushed hamlet]

I'm not sure about that last part, I'm a publisher and user no 2fa. But it is more secure so prob worth it at the end of the day. Could be an organizational policy maybe

It's interesting.

[crisp lichen]

Man some days I feel like the code gods love me

I only had 2 bugs in 300 lines of code

That I wrote in one sitting

Thank you code gods

I learned how to code this section 4 hours ago

And it works

(Sorry everyone I know is asleep and I needed to rant about how happy I am that the code worked)

[lost garnet]

https://docs.unity3d.com/ScriptReference/PlayerPrefs.html?ampDeviceId=39378e85-e6e0-466a-aeee-121db807d822&ampSessionId=1776677683720&ampTimestamp=1777001088813#:~:text=Web%3A Unity stores up to 1MB of PlayerPrefs data using the browser's IndexedDB API. For more information%2C see IndexedDB.

sorry. A bit too late. but can we avoid this 1mb limit somehow for localBrowserStorage

[pearl oyster]

Save to a (virtual) file, don't use playerprefs. If you're trying to store more than 1mb to playerprefs you're doing something wrong anyway

[sweet tartan]

did you look at the linked IndexedDB storage limits from that page? Even if Unity caps your IndexedDB usage (and I would test it to see if that's still true), you can access it yourself or use one of the other storage strategies mentioned which seem to have much larger capacity

[lost garnet]

No, I didn't actually

Will read it

[cyan lion]

[prime iron]

hey guys i finished this yesterday and i havent recieved my badge, does anyone know why?

it says 100% complete, the project has been published aswell as a screen recording etc

iv also recieved the xp for it just not the badge

[summer anvil]

I may need some help! My wifes avatar gestures stopped working after she changed the hair color then re-uploaded it. But her other avatars gestures work fine. What would cause this issue?

We tried everything, google, youtube reddit etc

[copper gust]

!vrchat

[vagrant root]

Join the growing VRChat community as you explore, play, and create the future of social VR! https://discord.com/invite/vrchat

[shrewd zenith]

is it okay for a multiplayer game to place the Play/Ready button on a second screen (that you have to click into), instead of having it immediately visible on the main screen? im wondering if this affects clarity or the players experience

[dusk lichen]

i mean do u have a single player too or does ur multiplayer have multiple modes

either way it doesnt matter its ur choice, whatever u think the player will prefer

also is there a way of using the terrain tool to form geometry terrain?

idk what else to call it, what i mean is i want to create slopes like this:

sort of like a straight slope going down with smoothing on either side

but terrain tool unless im missing something makes it nearly impossible, i feel like there should be some sort of tool you can create a rect and select ur beginning angle on 1 side of the rect, and ur finishing angle on the other side of the rect

and it creates the slope

then u can just simply smooth out either side of the slope

[safe garden]

just a quick n00b q for everyone here, with colliders - I can't use a mesh collider as it has to effectively be moving, (kinematic I think is the term?) is using several box colliders like this efficient? obviously wanting it to follow the form but don't want to go overkill for such a basic asset, and afaik there are no cylindrical colldiers

[austere dawn]

theres lots of spline landscaping tools that might be able to achieve this sort of uniformity better, or make your own, that would be an undertaking!

[dusk lichen]

yeah i looked at the whole editor thing i ended up making my own

[austere dawn]

the terrain tools in Unity as i understand definitely lean towards painting more

[dusk lichen]

yeah they arent good for any "straight line" stuff

by default anyway

[austere dawn]

what did you end up doing?

[dusk lichen]

i ended up finding a snippit of someone elses solution which was not what i was looking for, but i didnt realize you could make little editor addons, so i used his snippit and made my own tool that allows you to create a decline or slope based on the rect you create by dragging in the scene viewer

[austere dawn]

thats cool!

[nocturne hull]

dont know if this correct channel to ask
i am trying to set up CI with gameCI/unity-actions, and it requires a Unity license file
i do not have one and cant manually activate bc i am using a Personal license

mb someone has experience solving this?

[pearl oyster]

Why does that stop you from activating it?

[nocturne hull]

bc unity changed what type of license you activate manually, and personal not in the list

it now requires serial number to be activated

[pearl oyster]

Just to make sure, you're following these instructions? https://game.ci/docs/github/activation#setting-up-your-unity-license

[nocturne hull]

yes

i double checked folders

tried activating new license

[pearl oyster]

You might want to ask on their Discord server

[nocturne hull]

actually yeah, makes sense

their discord invite link expired?

[pearl oyster]

Works for me

[nocturne hull]

huh

[nocturne hull]

what is their server name, GameCI?
i wanna try to find through discovery page

[pearl oyster]

yes

[nocturne hull]

found it, thanks

[quasi rampart]

me making airplane game

[violet thunder]

That is fine. You can also use multiple convex mesh colliders if you need it to be more accurate/rounded. Or ~7 box colliders where every other one is rotated 45 degrees

[quasi rampart]

hi how u doing

[storm patio]

hi, this isn't a hangout server https://nohello.net

if you'd like to ask or discuss about unity you're free to do so, but this isn't really a general chat

[quasi rampart]

oh oke

[storm patio]

(if you want to show off your work/progress you can do so in #🏆┃daily-win or #1180170818983051344 btw)

[quasi rampart]

but me will work

[nocturne hull]

found solution

just sign out of Unity Hub and sign in
then add the license manually through the License menu
and license file will automatically be put in C:/ProgramData/Unity/

[tawdry radish]

Hi everyone, I’m having a two way authentication issue. I never set up the two-way authentication and now I’m not receiving the code for my school account (educator license). I tried my personal license and when I get a code for that account, I’m getting an error and ask to try again.

I have the end of the year showcase and my students can’t access anything.

I submitted a support tickets, but I’m running out of time.

Anyone had experience with this issue? If you did, what was the solution?

Thank you.
Mario

[dull peak]

Could someone please teach me how to log in to the UGS CLI? I've correctly configured the permissions in my Service account, but when I try to deploy cloud code during login, it returns code 51. I checked, and code 51 means invalid token, but the credentials I copied from the Unity Cloud Dashboard during login should be correct. It just keeps returning code 51.

[safe garden]

ahh yea didn't think of that, could just make mesh colliders in blender import them and set to convex, good idea

[hardy flare]

Hey guys, I don't know if this is the right channel to ask but, I'm currently working on a game with levels, and I would like to change the background for each level, but I'm not sure how.

Any tips?

[worldly cave]

can you clarify what you mean by background?

the skybox enviroment?

[hardy flare]

Yup, I think so, change the camera to a solid colour from the skybox.

[worldly cave]

wait is this a 2d or a 3d project?

[hardy flare]

2d

[worldly cave]

well for 2d scenes you should probably use an actual image/sprite as a physical game object in your scene for the background

just make sure you set its Z value to something distant

[hardy flare]

Okay, I will try to do that, thank you ❤️

[hallow bobcat]

i want to ask I tried opening my older Unity project (from the 2022 version) in Unity 6, but it doesn't work. Why?

[sand harbor]

there's surprisingly few videos on sniper glint in unity

[vast lodge]

Hi all. So I was trying to install Unity AI on a fresh project, but I get 999+ errors...

[short grotto]

any idea how to remove the T ?

[storm patio]

it's a gizmo, there's a menu to disable it

iirc there are separate menus for the scene and game view gizmos? could be wrong though

[short grotto]

oh shit i spent 20 min trying to fix it but stupid m enabled gizmo in playmode right

[worldly cave]

because its a relatively simple thing, its just a billboard sprite with emission combined with bloom post processing

[sand harbor]

Ohhh, i was trying that stuff with a point light

[grim sundial]

I just ran into this issue trying to purchase an asset. I have a feeling there is at least a regional outage or backend issue on their end. I hope it clears up automatically, because these flash deals are important to most of us on a budget ><

Good luck with your time-critical situation 🙁

[hallow bobcat]

i want to ask I tried opening my older Unity project (from the 2022 version) in Unity 6, but it doesn't work. Why and whats the problem ?

[near wigeon]

it doesnt work is vague, how can anyone provide a reason 🤔

[storm patio]

"i tried putting this old gpu into a new computer, but it doesn't work" there are so many possible answers

[hallow bobcat]

like this

[worldly cave]

i mean you just have some obsolete function warnings, in which way does it "not work" though

[hallow bobcat]

so what should i do ?

[grim sundial]

i'd try installing seperate editor versions for 6.0 LTS, 6.3 LTS and seeing if they open there, firstly. You may have success the older you go (6.4 changes quite a few things)

[worldly cave]

you still havent told us what "doesnt work"

[fervent perch]

ok so.... what are the chances of getting Unity Editor to work in SteamOS?

[near wigeon]

unfeasible

[hallow bobcat]

i already tried to open it with unity 2022 version , but still like that

[near wigeon]

those look like warnings not errors, it shouldnt break the actual game from starting

[hallow bobcat]

last week i try to open it in my computer on lab but it works
actually i can see the terrain and the asset
but now i just see the nothing

[storm patio]

did you open a scene

[worldly cave]

will i have to add another tally to the counter

[storm patio]

what you have there just looks like the default scene

[hallow bobcat]

wdym , yes i open it

[worldly cave]

a scene?

[storm patio]

show the hierachy window (without a search/filter)

[sand harbor]

Wait, how do i add emmission to a sprite?

[hallow bobcat]

like this
when i try using another computer , i can see the terrain and the other thing

[storm patio]

you did not open a scene

[worldly cave]

use a quad

[worldly cave]

this is count 14 of people thinking their projects are broken because they didnt open a scene

im slowly catching up to digi

[storm patio]

that's way too low

[worldly cave]

i only started counting it recently lol

[storm patio]

fair

[fervent perch]

so running unity in steamdeck's pc mode is probably a no-go?

[worldly cave]

but its insane how far some people get with projects without ever learning what a scene is

[storm patio]

wherever you saved the scene, navigate to that folder and open the scene

[grim sundial]

A discrepancy might be that you're expecting the Unity environment at your school/lab to be exactly the same as your home setup. You will need to ensure all the proper packages are installed to mirror your lab dependencies. Unfortunately unity projects are not like, say, a steam game that can just be opened up wherever you log into Unity. Hope this helps.

[hallow bobcat]

okay , i got it

[storm patio]

this is not the cause here

packages are specified within the project

the cause here is obvious: no scene has been opened

[worldly cave]

they legit just didnt open up a scene lol lets not overcomplicate this

[storm patio]

@hallow bobcat literally just open the scene you saved

[wary adder]

need help i bought a pack on unity hub but i dont understand shadders please help full build is pink it is a

[worldly cave]

if its pink it probably means the shaders arent compatible with your render pipeline

which pipeline are you using

[wary adder]

its a UDRP build

[worldly cave]

hdrp?

[latent meadow]

https://unity.huh.how/materials

[worldly cave]

so youre using hdrp or is the asset made for hdrp?

[wary adder]

sry HDRP

[worldly cave]

are you using hdrp

or is the asset made for hdrp

[latent meadow]

crap. the huh site is broken

[worldly cave]

works for me

[orchid gale]

I did Game jams, even VR Projects (in Emulator only) and webgl builds

[worldly cave]

huh, how?

[latent meadow]

click pink materials

[worldly cave]

leads me to shader errors

[latent meadow]

Really! well shoot. and/.. now it is working again. hiccup in the server it seems

[wary adder]

it says Original Unity version
6000.0.38

[worldly cave]

okay third times the charm

[wary adder]

HDRP

[worldly cave]

youre using hdrp?

okay

and the asset you purchased

care to link it?

[wary adder]

https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/3d/environments/urban/palm-night-club-hdrp-312197

[worldly cave]

are you positive your project is hdrp?

[wary adder]

that wat it says

[grim sundial]

there is some strange things goin on the past few hours... might be regional. Originally reported 3.5 hours ago from somebody. Currently I just got locked out entirely (before I was just getting this on store asset purchase)

[wooden pebble]

I have no clue wether or not this is a good place to ask but my unity 6.4 isn't installing. It is fully downloaded but doesn't want to actually install!

[grim sundial]

exactly.

I think it's unity side, guys, hang in there

[latent meadow]

the linked site (unity.huh.how) actually has nothing to do with Unity official, it is a site vertx made. But, yes, there have been issues since the start of the sale with the official store site. also, other sites as well, something global is most likely happening

[grim sundial]

(everything was fine for me yesterday, purchasing/etc)

[latent meadow]

i honestly do not think i have seen flash deal sale yet that did not bog the servers 😅

[grim sundial]

i'm not fretting too much, my current projects are fine at the moment. But damn, I really really want to buy this before it goes to 60% randomly for flash items vs the current 95% off it is > <

[latent meadow]

they generally extend the flash deal if they are aware of the issue

i would send a support ticket now, explaining you want this asset, but cannot buy due to server issues, and request the price be honored when servers are functional

[grim sundial]

these 95% off glitches are special case though, I routinely see 95% off initially in flash sales, then they revert back to 70 then 60% a few mins to hours later

(just a tip to keep in mind for your future browsing)

[latent meadow]

i noticed that too. the few minutes thing is almost definitely an error, but the flash deals are 12 16 or 24 hours, iirc

[grim sundial]

sometimes the glitch literally turns them free, if you're super lucky

[latent meadow]

i'd be careful with that one 😅 might come back to haunt you, or might be the old 'bank error in your favor' from monopoly board game

[grim sundial]

no offense to unity.. but the way i've been treated on silly things like buying the same thing twice by accident, and not getting reimbursed for an extra purchase, because I already downloaded it. I'll call it even 😉

or my absolute favorite.... submit a ticket for refund "sorry our queue is taking a long time" and resolution finally comes 30+ days later with "sorry your window of refunds within 7 days has elapsed! bye bye"

[latent meadow]

i would press that issue. i have been outspoken about their return policies in the past

[grim sundial]

truat me, i've pressed it, as a power user with nearly 100k$ worth of assets, they do not care about anything.

[latent meadow]

i do not know exactly what occurred, but i would be in contact with a lawyer. i simply do not tolerate businesses with practices like that. but, this is just in general. i have no idea of the details of your situation

[grim sundial]

I wish I had the time for that. I'm happy with Unity.. no beef other than these silly one-offs. They obviously are skimping in support. But my overall point. If they are showing free/95% off items offically, I'm always happy to purchase them. Not my problem, just as my problems are not their problem, apparently..

[latent meadow]

morally, perhaps. legally, who knows

[grim sundial]

shrug, i'm using the asset store 100% normally.

current situation for anybody new coming in on this (10:22am pst/west coast usa)... Unity is having a log in issue either for main account, or on purchasing assets after clicking "proceed to checkout" from a cart.

Keep refreshing, i've been at least let back in from my complete lockout, but still unable to purchase assets from store.

been intermittent for at least a few others for the past 4 hours now

[fervent perch]

oh i meant actually using the editor to work on projects when im in flight

[orchid gale]

Yes, i used the Editor. But with Mouse and External Monitor.

[boreal river]

Hey, guys! What is the different between normalize and normalized?

[pearl oyster]

Are you talking about the Vector3 methods?

[storm patio]

do you read docs

[gray frigate]

Vector3.Normalize is a static method that takes a vector and returns its normalized form
Vector3.normalized is a property that gives you the normalized form of that vector

they have the exact same meaning

[storm patio]

Normalize doesn't return anything, it mutates

[violet thunder]

Normalize modifies the value directly, in-place

[gray frigate]

ah, there's both a static method and an instance method

var barVec = Vector3.Normalize(fooVec);

i was thinking of the static method

[storm patio]

ah, so it does

TIL

[gray frigate]

the documentation points out the distinction (:

https://docs.unity3d.com/6000.3/Documentation/ScriptReference/Vector3.Normalize.html

[storm patio]

wait, that's horrible

[violet thunder]

Oh the static one is new

Ish

[storm patio]

instance normalized -> modified
instance Normalize -> mutate
static Normalize -> modified

wonderful

[latent meadow]

Welcome to Unity!

[storm patio]

peak api design 👏

[gray frigate]

it makes perfect sense though

properties are generally non-mutating

that would be extremely confusing

[violet thunder]

Or other way around?
Old docs:
https://docs.unity3d.com/2021.2/Documentation/ScriptReference/Vector3.Normalize.html
I though the instance method was the older one 🤔

[gray frigate]

if you normalize a variable, you're clearly changing it

[storm patio]

each one makes sense, i don't think the mutual existance makes sense

[gray frigate]

whilst passing it to a method should not mutate it

[boreal river]

I mean both of them

I know that normalized property it converts the vector to have a fixed magnitude of 1 unit

what about the Normalize()

[storm patio]

it converts the vector to have a fixed magnitude of 1 unit

dude did you not read any of the previous convo, nor docs?

[vivid cedar]

Normalize() is the one that converts it.
.normalized returns a brand new struct that is the normalized version of the original

[violet thunder]

We already discussed this, there's a static method Normalize and an instance method Normalize

Static one returns a value, instance method mutates it

[boreal river]

I did wdym

[storm patio]

the answers have already been given (both in docs and in convo)

if you're still asking i'm inclined to believe you didn't actually read any relevant content

you really gotta get better at reading. this has been quite a clear pattern with you
"what's X"
"X is [whatever]"
"ok but what is X"

[boreal river]

docs doesn't have any useful meaning I think I have to either watch a tutorial or get a proper answer with a visualization and proper exaplanation because docs only have the description

[storm patio]

the entire previous convo was content from docs

docs doesn't have any useful meaning

docs only have the description
you're already contradicting yourself there

docs are semi-technical documents, reading and comprehending them is kinda a skill unto itself. you won't get better at it if you neglect it

[violet thunder]

If there's terms that you don't understand in the conversation or in the docs, just ask about that

[boreal river]

Its just the concept that is hard like Maths never meant to be easy

[storm patio]

Vector3.Normalize
public void Normalize();
Normalizes the magnitude of the current vector to 1 while maintaining the direction.
Note: This method changes the current vector.
this is straight from docs

[storm patio]

if you think maths is never easy then it'll never be easy to you.

[boreal river]

That is not an explanation I will have to do my own research in understanding the math logic behind normalized

and other concepts in Game Math

[violet thunder]

The methods do the same thing

[storm patio]

the concept isn't hard. it might be foreign, and that might make it hard for you - that's normal

but if you think the concept is hard in itself, you won't be able to actually internalize it

[latent meadow]

if is bigger than 1, make it 1 otherwise player goes diagonal at 1.7

[boreal river]

No I mean its hard and I wont get proper answers just by reading docs

Math requires practice like anything else not only theory

and also deep understanding

[storm patio]

it's an adequate explanation in the context it's in. it's not here to explain the entirety of vector math. that would make for unnecessarily long docs.

if you don't know what "normalize" means just as a term, then ask or google about that

[storm patio]

no-one's saying to just read docs

reading docs is the starting point

you don't seem to be using them at all

[latent meadow]

there are many MANY excellent YT videos on game math

[boreal river]

can you recommend one?

brackeys I think he has and code monkey

as well

SpeedTutor there is as well I think

I think SpeedTutor is in the server btw

I have seen this guy here

[storm patio]

freya holmer has great explainers

[violet thunder]

Do you understand what the "length" of a vector means?

[boreal river]

yes

of course

[violet thunder]

So how do you not understand that normalize makes the length 1

[storm patio]

and that wasn't explained in the code docs, was it

[storm sierra]

I honestly recommend avoiding vectors all together, they cost way too much byte data. A int3 is cheaper and usually better for whatever you need done.

[boreal river]

its the line on the coordinate system that represents a vector and its length no

[storm patio]

they take the same amount of space

[storm sierra]

Wrong

[storm patio]

explain then

[vivid cedar]

float and int are both 4 bytes

float3 and int3 are equal sizes

[storm patio]

inb4 "int is 2 letters shorter than float so it takes less space"

[vivid cedar]

try it:

Debug.Log($"Vector size: {sizeof(Vector3)}, int3 size: {sizeof(int3)}, float3 size: {sizeof(float3)}");```

[storm patio]

hold on they're prompting chatgpt for a strawman response

[boreal river]

I just cant understand wht it means vector magnitude of Unit 1

Unit 1 what is it?

[vivid cedar]

1 is a number

2 is a different number

[boreal river]

1 on all the axis

[vivid cedar]

no

the hypotenuse of the triangle

[violet thunder]

Yeah, especially the visualizations would probably help understand it

[storm patio]

right, and this is a math concept, not a code concept. you wouldn't be looking, nor asking for what the Normalize method does, you should be asking about what "normalize" means in math (and you can ask google about this as well)

[storm sierra]

I was wrong on the value, you are correct in saying int3 and vector3 are equal.

[storm patio]

@boreal river do you know what a "unit circle" or "unit sphere" are?

[violet thunder]

Even if int3 was smaller, you couldn't use it the same way as vec3

[boreal river]

no

[storm patio]

do you know what "unit" is

[latent meadow]

big dog walking down the street. Absolute Unit! ... ... i'll show myself out

[sinful lodge]

I thought I was going to code today but apparently not, since someone forgot that they accidentally broke visual studio 22 and needed to update to 26

[storm patio]

(trying to find more basic concepts that you already understand to analogize these more integrated concepts)

[storm sierra]

I usually only use byte data and avoid all unity given values.

[storm patio]

that's... a bold decision to make for someone who doesn't know how much space Vector3 takes

[vivid cedar]

what does that even mean honestly lol

[latent meadow]

but.. why? there is no need for that, IF you even could

[storm patio]

so you also just, don't serialize anything?

[storm sierra]

Vector3 and vectors come from the unity library. I avoid using any unity library systems if possible.

[storm patio]

i mean, Object is also a unity given value?

[vivid cedar]

Yeah why though

I mean "vectors" are just a math concept

[storm patio]

and implement them yourself?

[latent meadow]

they probably think it is faster since"unity is c#"

[storm sierra]

c# has prebuilt options, I just prefer c# options over unity options

[vivid cedar]

You're definitely basing this off some misconceptions

[storm patio]

isn't int3 also unity

[vivid cedar]

in fact the System.Numerics.Vector classes take MORE memory than Unity's. They use double

[storm patio]

or is there also a system one named that

[storm sierra]

No

[storm sierra]

System math from c#

[storm patio]

yeah ok, unity also has one named int3

[boreal river]

no

[vivid cedar]

Ok actually I was wrong about this it's also using float

[storm patio]

even in like. meter, feet, pound, etc?

[vivid cedar]

You're going to end up costing yourself performance doing this beause it means extra computations to convert back and forth, since all of Unity's APIs use the Unity types

[boreal river]

oh wait this unit yes I know

[storm patio]

they're the same one

[storm sierra]

This is how you utilize the c# system, in my opinion for extreme optimization it is essential to use c# library system of byte over all else.

[storm patio]

when there's no relevant unit to specify you just say it's "units"

[boreal river]

yes its says unit 1 of the vector

what does this mean

[storm patio]

eg 4 units, 4 square units, etc

[vivid cedar]

you are basing this off some misconceptions.

[storm patio]

it's not unit 1 of the vector

[storm sierra]

Which is?

[storm patio]

the vector is of length 1 - not 1 meter, not 1 foot, 1 unit

[storm patio]

of byte
everything is in bytes. what is this even about

[vivid cedar]

I frankly have no idea because I fail to understand what optimization you're getting.

The real way to optimize your code is to use Unity's job system and DOTS

[boreal river]

I have to do this question on the other server about maths

haha

[gray frigate]

you are going to have to explain what on earth "library system of byte" means

[wary adder]

could anyone help with a build something i have to show then tell

[storm patio]

@boreal river this was intended for you btw

[storm sierra]

You can use byte data which cost a total of packed bits instead of a int or a float

[boreal river]

ok

[storm sierra]

That is in the runtime, not in the data cost.

[vivid cedar]

what is this "data cost" you're so concerned about.

[storm patio]

also consider - how long is a meterstick/yardstick?

[vivid cedar]

you're talking about storage for saved game data?

[storm patio]

packed bits
...a byte?

[latent meadow]

ok. none of this even belongs in this room and it is almost trolling

[wary adder]

why is my assts build coming in no shadders at all

just pink

[gray frigate]

a "unit vector" is any vector whose magnitude (or its 'length') is exactly 1

The name actually doesn't come from "unit of measurement"

"unit" just means "one"

like how you might say "unary operator"

[latent meadow]

https://unity.huh.how/materials

[vivid cedar]

Ok but the discussion we were having earlier was about using types in general. If you have some extreme special requirements that's not really relevant for most games.

[storm patio]

pretty sure unit of measurement does come from that

[gray frigate]

they share the same words, but that's why we call a normalized vector a "unit vector"

not because it has a length of one foot or one meter or whatever

[torn mulch]

anyone wanna choose the Steam poster for my game? I’m losing my mind each time I do post processing.

[storm patio]

to be clear this is the analogy i'm going for

• when units are unspecified, the unit is often just called "unit" rather than having a bare number
• meterstick/yardstick are sticks that signify what a meter/yard is, so they're 1 meter/yard
• a unit circle, unit vector, etc are sizes that signify 1 unit

[latent meadow]

Wrong place.

[storm patio]

not really what this channel is for

[gray frigate]

"unity" itself means "one" (:

[storm patio]

it has a length of one unit

[latent meadow]

i am pretty sure you were told yesterday to use the proper rooms #1180170818983051344 and to a lesser degree #🏆┃daily-win '

[torn mulch]

I mean I’m making a game in unity so I thought it’s like general chat here.. sry

[storm patio]

this is primarily a unity discussion/help channel

[storm sierra]

I am saying doing this has made me learn how to lower data cost to extreme levels. I am merely stating that using a int, float, or other simple values is less optimized then using a byte. Example being this

Cost 12 bytes
Vector3 position = new Vector3(1f, 1f, 1);

Cost 3 Bytes
byte3 voxel = new byte3(1, 1, 1);

You can essentially multiply your base numbers to have even more precision with same byte cost.

[vivid cedar]

Youi are definitely not getting "more precision"

you are getting 8 bits of precision vs 32

you are making a tradeoff

which is fine if that's what your game needs, but it's certainly not a free lunch

[storm patio]

ok, you get less info that way. there's still no reason to choose float3 over Vector3 or int3 over Vector3Int (aside from consistency if you're also utilizing byte3 for similar purposes)

[storm sierra]

You can then multiply the same equation until you reach the same base value in a vector, which is essence a extreme precision

[storm patio]

this is not how information theory works

[gray frigate]

that does not make any sense whatsoever

[vivid cedar]

You lose the ability to represent all the in between numbers

you only have 255 possible values for each dimension

[storm patio]

(2^8)^3 values cannot map 1:1 onto (2^32)^3 values

[gray frigate]

you get pigeonholed, indeed

[storm sierra]

I am tempted to share my code but I feel like this is a useless debate

[storm patio]

i think you either are vastly misunderstanding information theory, or you have some tangentially related point that you are articulating poorly

[gray frigate]

correct

[storm sierra]

I am just suggesting to use bytes over all else if possible, not every case but in some cases it works perfectly. In a controlled setting where you know you do not exceed a certain threshould per area you can cheaply lower byte cost.

[storm patio]

in some cases where you don't need Vector3 yes

[gray frigate]

You are suggesting complete nonsense

[storm patio]

no-one's saying to use Vector3 for everything

[vivid cedar]

It only makes sense when you have very specific requirements:

• Storage bound
• don't need good precision

[storm sierra]

I literally use this daily, it works

[gray frigate]

if you need to store integral values in the range 0..255, then yes

you can use bytes

[vivid cedar]

everything in programming is about making tradeoffs to suit your requirements

[storm patio]

works ≠ makes sense

[vivid cedar]

it may very well work and make sense for your particular use case, but it won't in general

[storm patio]

yes, if you have bounds you can use types that correspond to those bounds.
in this case the bounds are infinite, so you need floating-points

[storm sierra]

It does work with precison if you use it in a format of chunks or parts. You are essentially treating this puzzel piece like a complete picture, it takes many of the bytes to make it work.

[storm patio]

so, reinvent floating-point half-precision?

[gray frigate]

well, yes, if you store multiple coordinates, you can address many more values

notably, you can use four byte3 coordinates to exactly represent all possible uint3 values

[vivid cedar]

then you're right back where you started. You use 4 "low precision" chunks to make up the same original precision. The benefit you get is higher granularity but it's at the cost of higher complexity and higher computational cost.

so again it's a tradeoff, which might make sense in some conditions

[brazen swallow]

Those who want to create their dream game in Unity but can't find a developer to work with can get in touch.

[storm patio]

or four byte3s for all of float3, what a deal

[storm patio]

!collab

[vagrant root]

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[storm sierra]

Computation cost never goes up with using bytes, they go down instead. The computer actually prefers these over ints and floats since what your doing is getting as close as possible to machine code.

[gray frigate]

okay we're veering directly back into nonsense

[storm patio]

computation cost goes up with using bytes.

if you're doing floating-point arithmetic, then use floatingpoints

your cpu has instructions for that

[vivid cedar]

no - because almost all operations in modern CPUs work in chunks of 8 bytes. SO you waste a whole cycle doing with one byte what could have handled 8 at once

[gray frigate]

i was about to say that this kind of scheme makes sense if you're doing some kind of hierarchical data structure (a grid of grids of grids)

[storm patio]

it does not have instructions for your custom reinvention of floatingpoint

also if you're processing bytes yourself, you are not taking advantage of the wordwidth of the cpu, modern ones can process 8 bytes at a time

[storm sierra]

Which is essentially a endless world, going back to what I was saying. This entire discussion is just me explaining why I believe using bytes is a good idea over all else.

[storm patio]

and the rest of us are trying to stop you from giving bad ideas to beginners

[storm sierra]

We all know this is not a beginner tier discussion

[storm patio]

you were just trying to sell int3 over Vector3

[azure grove]

that does not account for padding and alignment

[storm sierra]

Nothing I am saying is for that level of code, this is for absurd levels of optimization. I was just chiming in to say I suggest learning about bytes when he has the chance, since they are useful.

[gray frigate]

you've demonstrated that you do not understand what you're talking about

which is somewhat alarming

[storm sierra]

In what regard am I wrong

[gray frigate]

this statement is pure fiction

[storm patio]

alright, let's talk absurd levels of optimization then.

processing 2 longs is faster than processing 16 bytes, unless the compiler optimizes for that, then they're equal.
processing floats as floats is faster than processing bytes acting as floating-points, because the cpu actually supports that.

[storm sierra]

This is all obvious stuff

[azure grove]

for real performance i would work towards a data oriented approach, and have your data sized and ordered in a way its less likly to have cache misses

[storm patio]

right so why did you claim computation cost always goes down when using bytes

[storm sierra]

I was wrong on this one, I had to look it up to verify

[storm sierra]

This was my misconception, I was wrong on that part.

[storm patio]

ok so what's the claims you have at this point

kinda all got mixed together

[gray frigate]

integral coordinates makes sense if you need the space between the closest possible pairs of coordinates to be consistent

floating point, naturally, varies with the magnitude of the number

(which is why we call it "floating point")

[storm patio]

kinda unfortunate we don't really have fixedpoints anymore

[gray frigate]

i mean, integers are fixed point numbers 😉

...it's just very firmly fixed on the right side

[storm patio]

ive only seen it as a stepping stone for explaning floatingpoints, and for a custom file format (aseprite)

[azure grove]

if you want to learn more about this type of stuff i would heavily recommend looking at Mike Actons and Andrew Kelleys talks on Data Oriented Design

[gray frigate]

floating point has some very nice characteristics (e.g. the ratio between adjacent numbers is consistent)

[storm patio]

are bigints floatingpoints, because the point can keep moving to the right lol (/s)

[gray frigate]

the ratio between two integers gets smaller and smaller as you go towards the maximum integer

[gray frigate]

(becoming the largest as you go from 1 to 2!)

(i am ignoring division by zero)

[storm patio]

i guess they'd've stuck around if they were significantly worthwhile to keep around over floatingpoint

[gray frigate]

You can absolutely design your game's data structures to "play nice" with your processor

it's a really interesting subject

[storm patio]

(floatingpoint doesn't smh)

[gray frigate]

e.g. if you're going to be accessing field X from many things, then field Y, then field Z, it's better to store X, Y, and Z in separate arrays

[storm patio]

always a fun time explaining why 1/0 and 0/0 aren't the same but 0/0 and Infinity/Infinity are

[gray frigate]

that way, you make excellent use of your cache

[azure grove]

yeah Dots tries to automate a bit of this for you, but stuff like some of zigs comptime features for struct of arrays takes it further too.

[gray frigate]

this also opens the door to vectorized operations

[azure grove]

still needs to be cosisderd well at design time though

[gray frigate]

where you can operate on many values simultaneously

[azure grove]

yeah even if not using this stuff to go wide onto more cores, where it opens up possibilities for simd and the less cache misses makes it a lot faster even for single core perf

[gray frigate]

I don't want to shut you down from talking about this stuff, but I do want you to understand that you have some major misconceptions right now.

[storm sierra]

Which are?

[storm patio]

well, there was the one that was just disputed

i don't know all of what conceptions you have, so i can't say what else you might have (unless it comes up in discussion)
but i would suspect there are more, and this seems like a good oppurtunity to challenge them

[azure grove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX0ItVEVjHc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IroPQ150F6c
not directly applicable to unity or even C# but these are pretty much the best talks when it comes to thinking in a way that works well with data oriented design and ecs

[wooden pebble]

IS anyone else having issues installing unity 6.4 even after downloading it?

[gaunt grail]

how can i fix this? i have steamworks in my packages folder

[grim sundial]

we're coming upon nearly at least 6 hours of intermittent back end issues regarding login/auth/handshaking/install and asset store

[wooden pebble]

But I have had this since last week

[grim sundial]

may or may not be related then, ymmv.. sorry and good luck

(i did personally update to latest 6.3lts with no issues last night) A good test is to see if lower versions install for you. I"ve definitely had that issue often, usually clears up with the next rev update on the line you're hoping to install

[wooden pebble]

Okay thanks

[grim sundial]

also use this to back install or test if need be, and clear out install dirs/temp/%appdata/whatever to clean slate/file caches as much as you can: https://unity.com/releases/editor/archive

[wooden pebble]

Will do when I get the chance, thanks again

[latent meadow]

Brilliant move Unity! i've been trying to update my info for two years and it never holds. and now, without warning or consent:
Since you did not let me update info, this goes to a phone number i no longer have!

[grim sundial]

welcome to the club, hunanbean >< this is what's been reported at least 6 hours ago now 🙁 hope it clears up soon

[latent meadow]

indeed

[grim sundial]

definitely try not to mess with any account settings.. it's 100% something borked on their end

[latent meadow]

it is, i am sure. email sent to support. also, messages sent to people who can do something about it too

[grim sundial]

thank you, on our behalf

[dull sphinx]

tbf im thnking about using old unity to replicate the old shitty horror game feel ngl

[plain dagger]

Or a render pipeline that replicates old rendering https://github.com/pastasfuture/com.hauntedpsx.render-pipelines.psx

[dull sphinx]

i mean...

[plain dagger]

There should be other cool options too and new unity offers the render pipeline functionality...

[raven valve]

hi

[dull sphinx]

i just feel it still wouldnt feel the same

[austere dawn]

i saw you talking about old unity earlier... what are you on about...

[plain dagger]

Okay go try unity 5 and suffer

[silent mica]

What sort of behavioural differences are you expecting?

[dull sphinx]

im the biggest unity 5 lover

[austere dawn]

if you're trying to get people to validate your Unity 5, use good luck

[plain dagger]

I started with unity 4.5 and I think id rather not go that far back anymore

[gray frigate]

we can't offer much advice or input if your design requirements are "I need to use Unity 5"

it's a tautology 😉

i mean, when i think of janky horror games, I think first of a wonky IMGUI menu

and that remains perfectly usable in Unity 6.x

[last vortex]

I need some help with Unity
I am watching a tutorial from Code Monkey and I am having trouble loading the assets into Unity
He said to drag and drop this file into Unity

[vivid cedar]

Assets -> Import Package

[last vortex]

And I downloaded the assets, but it wont let me drag it in

[latent meadow]

i was getting errors trying to drag into 6.3 and 6.4. i stuck with 6.0. also, a lot has changed with 6.3+. i hope the assets still work 100%

[last vortex]

ight thanks it worked

[novel tulip]

Hey guys I want to make a cardboard cutout of a sprite for vr anyone have a tutorial or can help?

[storm sierra]

This is some example code I actually use with real purpose hidden by chatgpt. So you can see how I would use bytes and other forms of data.

https://pastebin.com/sQvHDC93

[pseudo coyote]

remastered a soundtrack for ma game

any feedback pls?

[latent meadow]

use #1180170818983051344 or to a lesser degree #🏆┃daily-win

[wary adder]

hi

[stuck flower]

What is this

this is just a bunch of variables?

Like, what is this supposed to prove other than you can ask the pointless slop machine for more pointless slop

[latent meadow]

they are trying to justify a position from an earlier conversation

[dull sphinx]

BRO I ONLY PUT A PREFAB IN

how the fuck can i fuck up so badly with something i didnt even make

shit aint for me 😭

[vivid cedar]

read the message, it tells you exactly what to do.

(the full message)

[stuck flower]

Consider reading the error messages

[storm sierra]

I really cannot say anything besides I cannot explain how I do things without exposing my core code which I cannot expose without using chatgpt to hide what it really does.

[stuck flower]

Then, if you still need help, plug some of those words into your favorite search engine

[stuck flower]

There's no purpose to this code. This is just a bunch of poorly named variables

If your intention was to show it being useful, you've failed miserably

[dull sphinx]

i cant even read

[stuck flower]

Then you should quit

You need to be 13 to use Discord

[dull sphinx]

I'm 17

[stuck flower]

Then act like it

[dull sphinx]

how am i not acting like it

im just new to unity

[stuck flower]

Read the messages in front of you

[dull sphinx]

i just dont know how to access player settings 😢

[charred fog]

Let's not start with the bickering.

[latent meadow]

you are supposed to go through the Essentials Pathway on the learning site before starting anything

[vagrant root]

:teacher: Unity Learn ↗

Over 750 hours of free live and on-demand learning content for all levels of experience!

[dull sphinx]

i didnt know what it was

thank you

[latent meadow]

yw, there are other pathways there too, for after that one. good luck!

also

#🌱┃start-here

[dull sphinx]

will need it, im brand new to unity, i always kinda adored the shitty horror games made in it (they had a charm ifykwim) and i decided that there's something about the engine itself

that i just

really love

and wanted to make horror games for myself

albeit hopefully something more akin to nun massacre

[dull sphinx]

tyty

[hardy flare]

Hopefully not a weird question but does anyone know why would text move itself after closing unity?

[latent meadow]

what text? (it matters)

[worldly cave]

move how

[hardy flare]

Text mesh pro

[latent meadow]

perhaps you changed the location while the game was playing., these things are not saved when you exit. aside from that, a script would have had to move it. or in scene view, you changed size of the viewport, so the Anchors moved things accordingly

[hardy flare]

It only happened when I closed unity and reopened it. I definitely don't have any in script that would move them :/

[stuck flower]

Or you tied it to pixel-space screen coordinates and the window got resized

[hardy flare]

It seems like every time I open this project, something else gets cooked lmao

[latent meadow]

you can always delete the Library and let it rebuild

[hardy flare]

I can't exactly, this is due in 12 hours

[latent meadow]

library is just a cache, but is may take a few minutes to rebuild

[hardy flare]

Really?

How do you do that?

[latent meadow]

although a safe procedure, make sure you have a project backup first or source control

[hardy flare]

I have back up on my external thankfully

[dull sphinx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKZBJeheNRg by the way, what is the type of this camera handling called?

[latent meadow]

in your Projects folder, there is a Library folder. delete it, with the project closed. start the project again and it will rebuild. open your Scene after it loads in

[latent meadow]

that is a first person camera. beyond that, IDK what you mean

[dull sphinx]

i mean

the movement seems to be somewhat

smoothed?

[latent meadow]

yep. you can google that directly. first person camera smoothing

[dull sphinx]

maybe i should be living off more than one hour of sleep.

[hardy flare]

I figured out what was causing the issue.

Unity removed my ground layer lol

[latent meadow]

cool deal

[dull sphinx]

wait people make maps etc in blender...? im watching some stuff about unity on yt and someone just said they do

[latent meadow]

there are generally 3 ways to do anything. maybe even 300. you need to pick what works for you. you have a Lot of learning ahead of you, so just take your time

[worldly cave]

People typically use a combination of blender and probuilder

[neon nymph]

Hey guys

How are y'all

[rustic chasm]

Doing good today... just still working on my MMO project... trying to get things working well and at least a bit more visually underway...things are looking good though, but a bit of a challenge.... next step is to try and get my aliens to take over zones and place their own structures there and take over hehehe 🙂

One of the hardest parts I feel though is just marketing.... that is where I struggle a lot...

[hardy flare]

Does anyone know what can be done about error CS2006, command-line syntax error, missing <text> for -define. Can there be something done about it? Or just forcefully take down unity in hope that my project would be okay?

[plain dagger]

that shouldnt be happening so yea you can kill unity and re open and see

your project files are fine if you dont mess with em

[hardy flare]

It gave me the same warning as before.

[plain dagger]

if it still compiled i guess its fine, i dont think we can alter compilation args 🤔

[hardy flare]

So I'm locked out of the project?

I can access the safe mode but that froze me last time.

[slow dirge]

Can you share a screenshot of the error?

[hardy flare]

Rn im starring on warning about safe mode tho.

[slow dirge]

Do you maybe have an empty(maybe space only?) keyword/define in project settings?

Scripting define symbols/additional compiler args

[last vortex]

Guys, is this good graphics/volume?

[polar basalt]

if you havent, make a backup of the project first

all you ever need is just the folders : Assets, Packages, Project Settings, User Settings

[hardy flare]

Its this, right?

[hardy flare]

How do I get to those?

[slow dirge]

Yep. Seems fine🤔

[polar basalt]

with the file explorer

just search for the folders and copy and paste them into a new folder somewhere on your computer

[slow dirge]

Did you try deleting the library folder?

[polar basalt]

you should set up something like github or unity source control

[hardy flare]

nope

[polar basalt]

try look at this, it might fix, but first do a back up then come back

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/78667330/error-cs2006-command-line-syntax-error-missing-text-for-define-option#:~:text=This error occures because Unity,Unity passes to the compiler.

gtg, gn

[hardy flare]

Good night!

thank you for the help :3

[hardy flare]

This is worrisome...

[near wigeon]

https://screenshot.help

[latent meadow]

just wait. if still running after 12 minutes, mention the speed of your computer

[hardy flare]

I cannot screenshot with a frozen laptop lol

[hardy flare]

It can take that long?

[latent meadow]

if that has your laptop frozen, wait 24 minutes. have you checked to make sure you are above minimum spec to run Unity?

[hardy flare]

Jup

I should be in the clear

[latent meadow]

even so, that may have frozen the Unity window, but should not have locked your machine.

[hardy flare]

And I never had as many issues as today

Ohh it unfrozen.

[fiery needle]

I'm creating a prototype for a grid based 2D colony game. For now, I'm generating procedural chunks, but defining the rules has been a problem. Have you ever created something similar?

[latent meadow]

probably best to talk to #🖼️┃2d-tools

[hardy flare]

Still running 😔

[wide gull]

helouda

[hardy flare]

hello

[wide gull]

Hello, I have a question. Could someone guide me or teach me what Unity is? I don't know much about it and I would really appreciate someone's experience.

[latent meadow]

there is a learning site to use for that purpose. start with the Essentials Pathway

[vagrant root]

:teacher: Unity Learn ↗

Over 750 hours of free live and on-demand learning content for all levels of experience!

[latent meadow]

if you end up with a specific question you can ask

[vagrant root]

:thinking: Asking Questions

:mag: Search the internet for your question!
:book: Use the API Scripting Reference and User Manual and this troubleshooting site for commonly posted issues.
:wrench: Attempt to debug your issue.
:thought_balloon: Find an appropriate channel by reading the name and description in #🔎┃find-a-channel
:grey_question: And don't ask to ask, ask a full question illustrating with screenshots if needed.

-# For more posting guidelines, go to #🌱┃start-here

[latent meadow]

and don't forget to #🌱┃start-here

[wide gull]

Oh, thank you. Well, I really need to learn that because I'd like to model and make a mini-game. My teacher asked my group to create a game, and I wanted to make a mini-Sonic game, like the Sonic 3 game, for Unity, and I didn't know where to start.

[hardy flare]

Still running lmao

Should I kill it off with the task manager @latent meadow sorry about the ping

[latent meadow]

assuming this is not gigabytes worth of assets, yes. there appears to be something quite wrong. are there any other open windows that may have error messages? are your fans spinning high? aka, is it doing something, or not..

[hardy flare]

Fans are normal and nothing else seems to be out of norm.

[latent meadow]

yeah, just kill the process

you can search for Error in the logs, or simply try again. what assets is it?

[vagrant root]

📝 Logs

Documentation

Editor logs

Windows: %LOCALAPPDATA%\Unity\Editor\Editor.log
MacOS: ~/Library/Logs/Unity/Editor.log
Linux: ~/.config/unity3d/Editor.log

Unity Hub

Windows: %UserProfile%\AppData\Roaming\UnityHub\logs
Mac: ~/Library/Application support/UnityHub/logs
Linux: ~/.config/UnityHub/logs

[hardy flare]

Mostly my own sprites, and tiles.

[latent meadow]

how much data? can you try one to see if it works, or is packed as a unity asset for some strange reason

[hardy flare]

some are showing up as meta

Its not devastating number of data, but its my graduation projects taht i have to turn in like 8 hours.

So yeah, any lost progress is big hit for me.

[latent meadow]

ok, and when you do just one to test?

[hardy flare]

I did test before starting and that was just fine? Sorry if Im missundrestending you.

[latent meadow]

so, you were able to import a few, then you tried a bunch at once and it failed/froze?

[hardy flare]

No, I was trying to figure out why my reset button wassnt working, then the error came an dright after crash.

after that I was locked into safe mode.

[latent meadow]

and then you tried to import assets while in safe mode?

or it was auto importing?

[brisk hornet]

where the HELL IS OCULUS

[latent meadow]

#🥽┃virtual-reality

[hardy flare]

It was auto, I think.

The project just opened but its completely empty 🙁

[latent meadow]

ok, so let me see if i understand.
you have been using Unity for a while. been doing a project for school. a 'reset' button stopped working, and you got a cryptic error. you then tried to restart, and it only offered safe mode (which is totally normal when there is a script error), and it started attempting to 'reimport' assets that you had already had there, previously, prior to the error/crash?

[hardy flare]

Yup

[latent meadow]

ok. do you have a backup copy of the project?

[hardy flare]

I do,

Not copletely up to date tho

[latent meadow]

by completely empty, do you mean the Level/Scene is not loaded, or all things are missing from 'Project' tab?

[hardy flare]

all thing gone, it looks like brand new project window.

Actually my scripts survived

[latent meadow]

ok. i assume you are on Windows. Using Explorer, go to the Projects folder, and then into the Assets folder of it

[hardy flare]

Ohhhh, there are in there.

[latent meadow]

ok. that is good. i think the .meta files are messed up. go into a folder whos name you will remember and delete the .meta file for three things that you will rememeber the names of. then go back into Unity and see if those three things show up in the 'Project' tab. try to make sure they are things that were missing a minute ago

[hardy flare]

On it!

[latent meadow]

also, i forget as i talk to a lot of people here per day. did we have you delete the Library folder?

[hardy flare]

I did delete after the first freeze

Before the waiting

[latent meadow]

ok

[hardy flare]

They showed up!

[latent meadow]

ok, just the 3 or everything?

also, are you in safe mode still?

[hardy flare]

Nope it opened normally

[latent meadow]

great

[hardy flare]

Mostly everything showed up.

[latent meadow]

very good

[hardy flare]

I lost mostly tilemaps.

[latent meadow]

ok, but those are your assets, so you can re-import?
also, go back to the folder in Explorer. if they are physically there, try the deleting the .meta trick for those missing files

if you go to reimport, since strangeness is occurring, try only importing 1 at a time, if feasible

[hardy flare]

Yup, I will definitely do that

Thank you so much for your help ❤️

Literally life saver

[latent meadow]

you're welcome 🙂 hopefully, it goes smoothly now

[hardy flare]

I hope so 😭

[latent meadow]

when you get some time, i suggest you do a normal Windows maintenance/integrity check.
run sfc /scannow, do a scandisk, defrag, etc (i say this because it looks a bit like a hardware issue)

[hardy flare]

I will, thank you for the tip.

[storm patio]

this is tutorial code for how to declare variables. you don't show "how you use them" at all

also this is a struct..? and note that NativeArray also has an overhead.

if i'm reading this right, you're using a NativeArray<byte> to represent a single boolean? that's definitely not more memory nor processor efficient

instead of using 1 byte, you're using upwards of 48 + internal array size

48 is just the overhead

[tawdry radish]

I contacted support and they were super helpful. Reset my 2FA and I’m good again. What a relief!!

[summer anvil]

I lost where my question was but does anyone know why guesters would randomly stop working after a upload? My wifes avatar gestures stopped working yesterday after she edited her hair color then uploaded it. Older versions of it work and her other avatars but this one just doesn't. What could ge the problem? We've tried Google youtube and reddit, no luck. (Were both new at this)

[storm patio]

can you be more specific as to what you're referring to

what guesters/avatars are you working with here?

[summer anvil]

The normal face expressions like, smirking, smiling, etc using the quest remote. Like when it does a peace sign or pointing

[storm patio]

so this is a vr thing?

vrchat?

[summer anvil]

Si

I think

[storm patio]

!vrchat

[vagrant root]

Join the growing VRChat community as you explore, play, and create the future of social VR! https://discord.com/invite/vrchat

[storm patio]

go ask in the vrchat server

[summer anvil]

...ofc

[storm patio]

they'll know how to help

this server is full of gamedevs, we wouldn't be able to lol

[summer anvil]

But I think it's a unity problem

[storm patio]

the folks in vrchat would know how to help.

i barely guessed the context of what you were doing from "quest", i have no idea what "avatar" or "guester" are lmao

[summer anvil]

☝️🤓

Book smart not tech smart got it

[storm patio]

...no?

this is a very broad field

[copper gust]

no need to be rude

[storm patio]

even within gamedev, i could be a unity pro and be absolutely lost in unreal, for example

[summer anvil]

Unity is unity tho right

[storm patio]

vrchat is a wholly separate context from unity, even if it's in the same engine

[copper gust]

a lot of what vrchat touches is hyper specific to vrchat

[storm patio]

"physics is physics though right? if you're able to calculate the resistance of this circuit you should be able to simulate fluid dynamics"

[copper gust]

and the stuff that does overlap would only be overlapping with other pretty specific circles like vr dev or games using pretty detailed model physics/animation type stuff that a majority of people don't touch

[storm patio]

respectfully, as you said, you're new to this. you don't know the massive breadth of stuff here lol

[summer anvil]

You a redditor too?

[storm patio]

are you here to peddle that "all IT is the same" or do you actually want help

[summer anvil]

I mean IT isnt difficult so yes

[storm patio]

the IT issues you have might not be difficult

IT in general is again, very broad

[copper gust]

probably better to just ignore this one

[summer anvil]

Probably best ngl

[storm patio]

you wouldn't ask a database admin to write a game, or a cpu architect to configure a network

[summer anvil]

Im not gonna lie I got no idea what any of that is but I saw a unity problem so I joined a unity discord for help

[storm patio]

that's understandable. we redirected you to people that have expertise in the specific context you're in

[summer anvil]

They were useless 😭 they sent me back here

Im sorry this is all frustrating and ive been up for 52 hours

[copper gust]

then your out of luck im afraid

[summer anvil]

Ingnore my attitude

[storm patio]

oh, best thing you can do is rest then

so many things become so much clearer once you've rested

[summer anvil]

I got 15 hours left then I can rest

My apologies im just drained

[storm patio]

those 15 hours will be at 5% of your normal productivity

5% might be overestimating it

[summer anvil]

And hangry lol

Anyways thanks for trying

🤘

[dawn flax]

Why Unity Hub that I just downloaded from Unity to a new PC isn't recognized by Windows? I get the bule dialog "Are you sure you wish to install this?"

[latent meadow]

screenshot the actual message. there are 3 different messages it could be, and they all mean different things

i am on linux now, so a screenshot it needed to trigger my memory, not just the text that it says

it could be UAC, it could be Smartscreen, it could be Unsigned warning, it could be proactive Defender hueristics gone wild, etc

[latent meadow]

it is a new version of the software, this means, according to how microsoft does things, it lacks reputation. <- possibility 1. OR, UNity changed their signing signature <- 2 . Neither of these mean it is unsafe in anyway. this is a macroflop over-reaction. you most likely had already turned off smartscreen on the previous install/other computer, whatever @dawn flax

[dawn flax]

I didn't turn it off. I will wait maybe one day. This is a new PC, I am now curious if it will be "normal" a few days from now

[latent meadow]

do as you will. in the mean time, you should google what that message actually means.

[dawn flax]

I understand that it's due to reputation of that file, people didn't use it yet.

Use it much*

[vagrant beacon]

Should I make visual novels in Unity or that’s a stupid ass idea

[west forge]

Hello

Whats up

@chrome rover

[latent meadow]

Unity is a popular choice to make visual novels. you can do it from scratch, or use one of the assets on the Asset Store (possibly a free framework), or, GitHub

[storm patio]

please don't ping random members.

[wary adder]

Just curious, I bought an asset for a project through unity itself. It does say HD RP unit but do I still created in the 2022.322F1 edition

[fair cove]

You can make whatever youd like in Unity, the engine is more than capable of handling visual novels but also many other engines are also capable of this, so I think the choice might come down more to personal preference in the engines workflow (although Unity does offer the ability to customize a lot of the workflow through editor scripting) - weather or not its a "stupid idea" might depend on your interest in the visual novel genre, your project requirements, dev experience and goals, it could be something you spend weeks or months on

[fair cove]

As long as your newly created project also uses HDRP, then the version of Unity should be compatible with the asset regardless, especially if the asset is art related and not code related to a super specific HDRP API version - you can also add HDRP later as a package if you didnt create the project as one to begin with, but it is easier as a starting point (since theres additional steps for converting a existing project into HDRP)

[safe garden]

how can I increase resolution of terrain, is it possible to increase it at all?

[rough field]

In the terrain settings

[gritty marsh]

I haven't used the hub for quite a while. Can anyone let me know whats up with this git setting ?

Did they add some sort of native git version control package? Or does the version control package now support git?

I remember that package only supporting "plastic scm" before

[rough field]

From what I read it just setups your project repo from the start

[wary adder]

Would anyone in here would have any free time to look and see what I’m doing wrong to get my rendering in for my project I have been working at this for hours and I have looked up of what to do and everything and it’s still not working could please someone take a look at this from my end

[silent mica]

Just a way to help with setting up git https://discussions.unity.com/t/now-available-unity-hub-3-17-beta/1712330
Pretty sure Unity's version control package doesn't support git.

[rough field]

Ask in #1390346776804069396 explain your issue and share pictures

[outer bronze]

Anytime i create a new project with this editor, it starts up with this error. I reinstalled it again today and it still has the error upon project creation. Any ideas on how i can fix this?

[slow dirge]

Try a different template. What template are you using to create the project?

[outer bronze]

URP 3D

[robust crow]

Hey, is anyone else able to receive 2FA messages on their phone?

It's not working the entire day for me and I can't log in to my account. The messages just never arive.

I've already opened a support ticket

[storm patio]

@storm sierra just some advice while it's fresh in my mind i guess-

• using NativeArray for singular fields is most likely not improving perf at all. it's more indirections, and the 48 bytes of overhead i mentioned, and it means the cpu can't immediately cache adjacent data since it's not contiguous
• using NativeArray in place of managed arrays might marginally improve perf in specific scenarios but i doubt it's enough to matter, and the lack of readability/maintainability far outweighs any improvement there imo, unless it's a really specific and expensive case that would mean it's better. NativeArray has the aforementioned 48 bytes of overhead, while a normal array would have 8, and i'd shoot an educated guess that cache lines work about the same.

[bright lynx]

Hi everyone!
I have a laptop with 8GB RAM.
Can I run Unity for 2D games on it?

[ionic berry]

yes

[bright lynx]

And will it be smooth or this depend on GPU and CPU

[ionic berry]

70%

might lag a bit

i have 16 it works well

[bright lynx]

I also think about upgrading to 16

Ok thanks for help! 😊☺️

[ionic berry]

ur welcome

[undone monolith]

Could anyone send me the link to the Unity Programming Essentials quiz?

Fsr the links Unity gives me do not direct me properly to the quizzes at all, so i have to manually find them

[wise yacht]

How do cameras in FPS games actually work? I want my player to be able to look down and see their body, especially as I'm doing a splitscreen game. Currently I have a multi-aim constraint so the player's head looks up/down depending on where they're aiming. When the walking animation and stuff plays, you can sometimes see the players head clipping in and out of the camera, and when you look down you see the players head below you. (The camera is at a fixed position and just rotates to look at a target)

I've thought of/seen a few solutions:

• Parent camera to head (rejected because it causes the camera to wobble around a lot during animation)
• Put head on a non-renderable layer (ideally not because that would be a lot of setup for splitscreen and would limit how many splitscreen players I can have)

Thank you :D

[rough field]

The best way to go is with layers

[wise yacht]

How would that work for multiple cameras and online players

[rough field]

How many splitscreens do you want to the point layers are not feasible?

[potent geyser]

You only put the player's own head on a non-render layer?

[wise yacht]

Yeah, but to have multiple players heads invisible each players head would need to be on a different layer

[rough field]

yes

[wise yacht]

Well I dont want to limit myself if there's a better solution

Layers seems like the standard way to go but there could be some other solution yk

[potent geyser]

You're likely already going to have a layer per split screen player as is. This isn't an issue with online players because that's handled on the client side of things.

[rough field]

I mean anything more then 4 splits becomes too small so 4 head layers is completely fine

you need to think how many splitscreens you can allow

[wise yacht]

Right ok fair, I figured that might be the case - thank you

No harm in a few extra layers i guess

[sand harbor]

Hey yall, according to a video i found, there should be a volumetric fog 2 option here, but there isnt?

[wooden pebble]

Just tried 6.3 LTS, doesn't work. Gonna try clearing temp appdata

[rancid lake]

Does unity editor have a hotkey (like unrealengine) where pressing the End key will drop the selected object down to the object below it? (the ground)

basically put an object into scene and press End to snap it to the floor

[worldly cave]

Are you on urp or hdrp?

[undone monolith]

anyone?

[storm patio]

can you not just go to unity programming essentials and then go to the quiz there

[storm sierra]

I have been using NativeArray for working with burst in my system, it has seemingly been a very clean way to do it. In my case I use it for struct which is made reference to in throughout a system in my game. Not sure if that is common practice or not tbh

[storm patio]

sure, for burst you do need native stuff. that's about all i can say for it since that's about all i know about burst lol

but it's definitely not good advice for "in general", and.. do you really need a native bool array for a single bool? can you not just give burst the single bool directly

[storm sierra]

almost about 90% of my code has to be in burst to use the multithreaded capacity it has to offer. I am aware I can self write multi threaded code but I prefer to use the unity tool for that part.

[storm sierra]

A normal bool in a burst is from what I look up on chatgpt is not stable. Also just a fyi I tend to use chatgpt as a proof reader for everything, so that can be where some of my mislead beliefs come from.

[storm patio]

yikes yeah don't do that

you're supposed to audit the LLM output, not the other way around

[storm sierra]

Once I get code working, I give it to a LLM to double check code quality and spot issues I am unaware of. I use it for refactoring.

[storm patio]

https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.burst@1.8/manual/csharp-type-support.html

Burst supports the following built-in types:

• bool
• [...]

[storm sierra]

I am aware burst has the support for all normal types including bool. I was told it was just not as stable, if that is true.

[storm patio]

and if you need multiple, bool4 also exists

[storm sierra]

Except reference types, burst doesn't like anything that is a reference.

[storm patio]

arrays that are readonly and static and directly referenced are usable as per the above docs

[storm sierra]

They work but they have serious issues with data race conditions. You essentially need to be very strict on data control to get them working correctly from my experience.

[storm patio]

so i don't have any prior knowledge of burst, and you're taking this claim generated by an LLM with no source/stated reason, so it's impossible for me to dispute this even if it's patently false

[storm sierra]

I am a self taught dev so I use books and chatgpt mostly to learn topics. I do read the docs but I work in a bubble. I come here to speak with people who know a thing or two to ensure I am not working in the wrong direction 😄

[storm patio]

you're really making me work to imply a lot of things here...

so you mentioned race conditions, meaning these fields are used as output?

[storm sierra]

Exactly

[storm patio]

and they... affect other jobs that run at the same time?

[storm sierra]

Yes

[storm patio]

that seems like poor design that would have race conditions anyway, regardless of how you feed them into burst. maybe using the nativearray is more deterministic, but i still would not want to rely on this logic

[wooden pebble]

Still doesn't work

[storm patio]

if A depends on B's output, A and B should not be run at the same time

[storm sierra]

The jobs are linked together in daisy chain. One cannot run without the other being done, since they compute based on the last value. The only reason they are jobs is it solves the amount of work they need to solve in short spans of time.

Job one ---> job two ---> job three All the way up to like 20 jobs total.