💻┃unity-talk

[worldly cave]

also theres multiple ways to "cull" stuff from the cameras view the player has no business seeing.

[remote terrace]

you are so right! I was thinking abt using on enter trigger method, and just switch the camera's position/size. but I will look more into this cull! Thank, you fellow non deodorant users!

[lethal charm]

What happening with Unity ECS

I have not been followin it for a while now

and would like to get back into it

I dont see any project templates for anything DOTS or ECS

[glossy topaz]

is there a way to change what pose he chills in

[worldly cave]

do you mean in like the scene view?

if so im pretty sure the default pose would be the one the model is exported with

[cedar flare]

why does it say HDRP im using URP

thank you unity 💔 for the URP water shader tut (this is flickering like hell

[worldly cave]

#🔀┃art-asset-workflow

[maiden tapir]

Does anyone know why the Unity Editor is spending so much time in these call stacks?

Switching back to Play Mode profiling, the editor is taking up a third of the total frame time

[sweet tartan]

I mean, the profiler is making things pretty clear isn't it? 40ms alone wasted on Resources.FindObjectsOfTypeAll, probably another 15ms+ doing something with gizmo handles that you haven't expanded the profiler panel for main thread far enough to see

[maiden tapir]

Resources.FindObjectsOfTypeAll

I mean yeah I can see the function call taking time, I'm wondering why the editor is doing this every frame and if the editor will just continue to become more unusable if I keep adding ... what ... more game objects to the scene?

Is there a known scaling problem here?

[vivid cedar]

If you give the computer more work to do it will take more time to do it

[copper gust]

The editor is calling that every frame?

[maiden tapir]

Looks like

[sweet tartan]

are you seeing this in an empty project? Which assembly is UIBuilderWindowWrapper in? My guess would be a misbehaving third party that isn't obvious at first glance

[maiden tapir]

Like what's going on with these guys

[maiden tapir]

Good question, I'll check

UIBuilderWindowWrapper is indeed 3P

My bad, I naively assumed that callstack was unity built-in editor code

[sweet tartan]

there you go, look at UIBuilderWindowWrapper.BuilderWindow getter and see what they're doing with FindObject, then fix it probably with some simple caching. They are probably doing something naughty with gizmo handles too which explains the rest

profiler window is probably fine, it's just expensive to draw it

[maiden tapir]

GameView.Repaint() though?

[maiden tapir]

Thanks for pointing it out, appreciate it 🙂

Is GameView.Repaint() just redrawing the window? Or is the camera rendering under there....

ah ok

URP.RenderCameraStack is under there

Okay, thanks I think that answers everyuthing

[open grail]

Is CloudCode and CloudSave preferred? or does anyone recommend something else that they believe is better?

Purely asking because I wanted to see my options and any alternatives that may be better and may not need JavaScript for the server scripts

[slow dirge]

Btw, for future reference, profiler hierarchy mode is much easier to read through and analyze. I'd only use the timeline for inspecting multiple threads and their interaction.

[maiden tapir]

gotcha

[native girder]

hi !
ive made a pixelart character and was wondering what the easiest way would be to setup a player controller, ive gone back n forth between some tutorials and was just wondering, maybe im making it too hard for myself and there might be a good one thats not hard to get working, im new to unity

*like a 2d sidescroller like celeste and hollow knight

[polar basalt]

guys, what is the best way to make outlines but for only some objects? making a shader and adding it as material works, but having it on like 10k objects makes the game very laggy

[shadow heron]

Why not use occlusion culling? Only render what the play sees and not render what the player doesn't see.

[polar basalt]

occlusion culling for objects that move?

i mean i could probably create my own occlusion script but im thinking maybe there is a better way cause im pretty sure adding a material is the worst way i could make an outline system

just 2 gameobjects, before and after selecting

i mean yeah i could also do batching, but im pretty sure there could be a better way

like joining them all together

i just dont know how to make that

[shadow heron]

iirc you can add a occlusion area modify its size to fit the space where the moving objects will be located

[polar basalt]

moving object can be moved anywhere, man, im making a level editor

[lapis gate]

is this a terrain

[polar basalt]

i mean, already made one but im just worried about performance on the large scale

[lapis gate]

what's moving

[polar basalt]

no its not terain what

any type of object

[lapis gate]

ok better question. is the object static

[polar basalt]

ok listen, im making a level editor

i cant have the objects that user just placed be static

the user will move objects around

[lapis gate]

right, well things on the editor can be less performant than runtime but even at the editor you wouldnt make say a minecraft world and not chunk even at editor time

[polar basalt]

well i know that, but i want to make it performant on low end too

for a lot of objects selected*

[shadow heron]

Why not have the outline only show when the player is looking at it? Does it constantly need to be outlined?

[polar basalt]

do you mean frustrum culling?

its a material, unity does not render it if the player is not looking at it, thats how unity works

[copper gust]

custom shader

[polar basalt]

thats what i did

im saying that, that is bad..

[copper gust]

no as in

[sudden ruin]

if you're focused on optimization, fullscreen shader

[copper gust]

one highly specified shader

not per object

[polar basalt]

Yes i know, but i dont know how to make it

thats the problem

[copper gust]

learn

[polar basalt]

because i dont want to make it for every object

[polar basalt]

thats why i am here, to ask how i could make it be on only selected objects

[copper gust]

you'll have to get pretty acustomed to shader logic

this isn't a simple or easy thing

[lapis gate]

is this like a click and highlight with outlines

[copper gust]

like if you select 10k objects in the scene

[polar basalt]

something like what unity has

[sudden ruin]

https://youtu.be/nkY2skLpA6Q

[lapis gate]

full screen isn't a bad idea. You'll do it by changing the layer of the items you select

[sudden ruin]

to make it so that only specific objects have the outline, a camera stack should work

[polar basalt]

cant do that sadly

[lapis gate]

but for something like an editor tool you wouldn't even do it at the material level but instead do some graphics buffer if we're talking like an asset store tool ;p

[sudden ruin]

why not

[polar basalt]

user can change the layer of the objects

[sudden ruin]

you really need to share some specific info on what you're trying to do if you want to be offered real solutions

[copper gust]

That doesn’t have to actually change the layer at the time of editing

[sudden ruin]

this seems super niche

[copper gust]

They are building unity in unity

[polar basalt]

kind of

[copper gust]

I hope you have data saving related stuff figured out

[polar basalt]

already done

[sudden ruin]

seriously?

[polar basalt]

i already made a whole texture editor inside

anyways, thats off topic

sorry

so yeah, i kinda cant change layers either

[copper gust]

See this

[lapis gate]

https://docs.unity3d.com/6000.2/Documentation/ScriptReference/Graphics.RenderMeshIndirect.html
This would be the most proper way to do it. For each selected you instance a secondary mesh and scale it upwards for each unique mesh

[polar basalt]

wont that be almost the same effect as of my own shader?

[lapis gate]

it's better for batching

[polar basalt]

i see

[polar basalt]

yes i saw, but i kinda still need to change layers, do i need to explain reasons too?

[lapis gate]

well, the way im thinking is you don't really want to mess with the developer level if you're trying to make some tool you are opening to others

[copper gust]

…yes

[lapis gate]

so changing materials/layers is a no and instead should do a lower-level idea

[polar basalt]

allowing objects to be rendered in front of camera

[sudden ruin]

wont you have your own layering system

[polar basalt]

i could do that? 🤔

[sudden ruin]

at the lowest level, there's nothing complex about tags and layers

i dont see what's stopping you

it's all basic data architecture

[lapis gate]

I could see doing the post-processing with custom layers with a pipeline script instead of the physical layers given, but that's like another project asset you'd have to modify for the user

[copper gust]

Tags are in this context, you cannot add new tags at runtime

[polar basalt]

you can add new layers at runtime??

[copper gust]

no

[polar basalt]

oh okay

[sudden ruin]

i doubt this is a limitation with the system itself. seems to be a result of not wanting to deal with edgecases

[polar basalt]

yeah but all of the components that use the default layer system would have to be changed too, like Camera for example

[sudden ruin]

similar to how we still arent able to create and apply tags/layers to a given object at the same time

[sudden ruin]

i really have no idea what you're even trying to do

[polar basalt]

[sudden ruin]

is there an explanation that i've missed somewhere?

[polar basalt]

maybe idk, what do you not understand, i can answer

[sudden ruin]

i literally have no idea what the end goal is

[polar basalt]

level creator

oh

[sudden ruin]

that's it...?

[copper gust]

(Runtime level creator)

[polar basalt]

at the moment :

being able to render outline for multiple objects

how its structured right now -> adds material for outline -> its laggy (-30 fps at 2k objects)

cannot change layers -> level creator allows the user to change layers for any object

[lapis gate]

i suggest go play with photoshop and try making 2k layers

[copper gust]

In some shape or form a singular shader that is handcrafted for this seems necessary

[polar basalt]

what

[copper gust]

(Its a hard problem to solve)

[polar basalt]

yes

[lapis gate]

non-rasterized objects are always going to tank performance

if you have hundreds

[copper gust]

And when I mean singular i don’t mean adding materials to objects conditionally

[polar basalt]

well i know, but im trying to make it as performant as i can

[polar basalt]

yes i see

[slow dirge]

Your outline doesn't have to rely on unity layers.

[polar basalt]

so how could i do it?

[slow dirge]

Depends on your implementation

As far as I know there is no built in outline feature in unity, so it's up to the implementation that you use.

[polar basalt]

i already have an outline system, but it is per object material, when selected i add the material, but having an X number of objects (where x is big), and having them all on screen (extreme case i know), then each material will get rendered even if its on or off behind something else, objects are not static, cannot be.

[copper gust]

Yeah your outline system is not good enough for this

Fundamentally

If your wanting better performance you do not have an outline system

[slow dirge]

Sounds like an issue with your system then...🤷‍♂️

Implement better control of when the outline should be rendered or not

[copper gust]

I have no idea if this can solve your problem but by far this solution is the most comprehensive outline asset i’ve seen, guys an absolute freak. Currently 50% off (plus 20% if your a valid student)

https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/vfx/shaders/linework-outlines-and-edge-detection-294140?srsltid=AfmBOoq88VYIqNZwwGv-D-oD5VoFBLamY6LVeFU9LCbhWrDfCRgnBdvd

[polar basalt]

wait...

light layers could be used for rendering full screen effects?

this might be my clue to making it tbh

i dont use light layers

especially for level creator

[slow dirge]

If you have a custom render pass, you can filter the renderers however you want. You don't need to rely on unity or light layers.

Can even check some variable in a custom component

[polar basalt]

ah i see

[slow dirge]

There's basically no limit to what you can do. You're thinking too constrained to what engine provides you

[hidden panther]

this is not normal right

[copper gust]

no

[lapis gate]

did you photoscan a rug

[hidden panther]

LMAOO

[slow dirge]

What exactly?

[sudden ruin]

most optimized sketchfab model

[copper gust]

The ratio of shadow casters is killing me

[polar basalt]

even better xdd

[slow dirge]

The numbers are probably normal given your scene context.
If you're asking whether such a scene context is normal in an average game, no, it's probably not.

[hidden panther]

it's fairly simple tbh, just a hallway hha

ill fix it

[slow dirge]

That's just your interpretation based on visuals. The stats numbers show a different picture.

[hidden panther]

I disable all the walls and it decrease the tris by 40m, ill add a decimate modifier on blender

[flat matrix]

Can smdy help im making a game and i have no clue what im doing whatso ever its 2d and i NEED help heres a pic of the model

[hidden panther]

ayo?

[sudden ruin]

You haven't asked a question

[hidden panther]

that's sum giant bakery right there

[open grail]

bump

[slow dirge]

Might want to clarify what you're trying to do. Better for what?

[open grail]

Like just simple/general client -> server communication and retrieving player data and what not

[oak meadow]

you would use cloud save to save the data and retrieve it

[open grail]

Well yeah I know that, but for like the backend, housing server scripts, is CloudCode recommended? Or is there an alternative that yall recommend that would be better than CloudCode

[oak meadow]

If you are running a server then you probably shouldn't use cloud code

[slow dirge]

I don't think these services are a replacement for a server.

[open grail]

I think there’s a miscommunication somewhere. The JavaScripts you deploy to CloudCode are server scripts, no?

[slow dirge]

Not exactly. It's just for running some logic in the cloud. It doesn't have any state, so it's very different from a real server.

[open grail]

Interesting. So would CloudCode be bad to use if I wanted to build a RTS game?

[oak meadow]

yes you should run a server cloud code i would think you would use if you don't have a server and want to run a server function

[open grail]

I’m still learning and trying to figure out what all I need to really dig into before I start getting major progress done

This is my plan/goal btw if it helps

[oak meadow]

I am also making a mobile game for a game like clash of clans you would use cloud code in the home section for things like upgrading buildings

and you would probably use a dedicated server for what ever you are doing like attacking

[open grail]

Well the attacking part I’m not really going to do clash of clans style, where it loads the enemies base and you spawn your troops, it’s gonna be just a world map view of your troops traveling to the enemies base and attacking from there

I particularly like Whiteout Survivals system over clash of clans tbh

[oak meadow]

Is it a solo gamemode

or like do you go up against someone

[open grail]

It’s basically you have the world map where you see every other players base, which a single structure that represents the base. When you attack, you dispatch troops. On the world map, you see your troops march to the enemies base and attack that singular structure

Rather than loading into their base, and attacking each building in the base

[oak meadow]

Generally a dedicated server will be best for that i mean maybe its cheaper to run cloud code functions but thats not if the players you go up against are "live" like there with you

[open grail]

That’s the part I’m struggling to discern with.
Because the world map can contain every single player base, NPCs, non-player structures and other stuff. You can see where the bases are. You can see the troops that players dispatch, you can see where they go. There’s a lot of display factors when it comes to the world map, and a good chunk is due to player actions.

[oak meadow]

Are the players you go up against online or offline?

[open grail]

They can be online or offline.
You’re just attacking their base.
I can’t really give a good description of how it works. If you just look up some YouTube video about whiteout survival I’m sure you can find something to what I’m talking about

[oak meadow]

so offline then do the math but theres a small chance cloud code is cheaper

[open grail]

Here’s a video that’s sped up that shows how the attacking is done
https://youtu.be/cMnjBktOrXM?si=mB3JHy90hEbxEYFP

Just skip like 30 seconds

[fossil yoke]

@pliant condor Don't randomly spam message people. Or, at least, don't do it to me.

[sturdy laurel]

bro i had one question can u gimme its answer

[stuck flower]

I scrolled up for a while and didn't see one

[sudden ruin]

27

[cyan lion]

What kind of education should one get in order to learn game development? Should they go for cs or something more specialised in gaming/computer graphics? In Which unviversities are such courses available?

[oak meadow]

he only has one message in this server

[sturdy laurel]

what is 27

[oak meadow]

and its that one

[sudden ruin]

the answer to your question

was i close

[stuck flower]

The answer to your question.

[sturdy laurel]

like how can i use unity for c++

[cyan lion]

Il2cpp

[cyan lion]

Anyone?

[stuck flower]

Education doesn't really matter much for game development. Portfolio matters. CS will teach you some relevant things but it's mostly math and logic, not really game development disciplines.

[stuck flower]

You don't

[sudden ruin]

there are many different roles that you can play in game dev, so there isnt really a one-size-fits-all course plan. you could be an artist, programmer, designer, etc. lots of schools have game dev courses

[oak meadow]

theres courses for game design if you have to go

[cyan lion]

There must be some specialized degree for computer graphics and interactive applications

[sturdy laurel]

like what are u saaying im here for all that

[cyan lion]

No I want to learn game development in particular

[stuck flower]

Yes and it's mostly bunk.

[stuck flower]

Unity uses C#

[oak meadow]

you will learn that

[cyan lion]

I am specifically talking about coding and technical side of AAA video game development

[sturdy laurel]

well will i was asking it to gemini it said it can be possible

[stuck flower]

"Game dev degrees" are mostly just for-profit degree scams. Get an actual higher education in a legitimate field and make games as a hobby. It'll do better for you.

Some published games will do better than a degree from some random diploma mill

[cyan lion]

I learnt unity made some basic games like pong, a walking sim etc. but tried learning unreal and it all went over my head.

[sudden ruin]

most AAA studios use custom engines, so you can't really find a course that will help you get a job for a AAA studio from a sole technical standpoint. if you want to get become a programmer, learn general CS in uni and then you can apply it to game dev.

[cyan lion]

Learning from a physical place has advantages mainly you meet other people with similar goals and faculty with connections and experience etc

[stuck flower]

You can do all that probably much more effectively by just actively seeking it out on your own time while getting an actual degree from an accredited major university.

[cyan lion]

Many are adopting unreal, so learning unreal might be useful

[sudden ruin]

where is this info coming from

[cyan lion]

Just an observation

[sudden ruin]

well that's just flat out wrong

[cyan lion]

That studios are adopting unreal?

I saw witcher 4 demo in unreal

And many aaa games like bioshock etc used unreal

[sudden ruin]

yes. AAA studios arent going to get rid of their employees who are familiar with their tried and true methods and go look for multiple hundreds of employees who know how to use unreal

why would this workflow shift make any sense

[cyan lion]

Why did cd project red do it

[slow dirge]

I don't know about studios in other countries but in Japan, unreal is indeed one of the main options for big titles. Especially if graphics is a priority. Saying that as someone actually working in a big studio and interacting with other studios often.

[sudden ruin]

one studio doing it isn't "many". im sure they have a specific reason

[slow dirge]

You usually end up working with many engines depending on the project. No one hires a dev for one specific engine. Studios are looking for flexible devs that can learn and adapt fast.

Indie is a totally different story though.

[cyan lion]

It doesn't make much sense tbh. Red engine already looked so good and is the benchmark in gaming graphics of current gen. Leaving it is a waste of efforts they put into it

(I am talking about cyberpunk when I say benchmark)

[sudden ruin]

treyarch and co have only used their custom engine until they worked on COD mobile which they used unity for. blizzard was the same way until hearthstone. fromsoft has never used anything apart from their own custom engines as far as im aware. the only times non custom engines are used by AAA studios are for one-offs from all that i've seen

[slow dirge]

Even if a studio doesn't use third party engines, there could be multiple in house engines or variants of the same engine.
But anyway, I'm only talking about the state of the industry in Japan. Can't say anything about other countries.

[sudden ruin]

cyberpunk is not their best game in terms of fidelity

[sudden ruin]

yeah im not sure what it looks like over there, but the West + fromsoft love their custom engines.

[pliant condor]

My apologies

[azure pond]

it really depends what you mean by that

[azure pond]

it's really hard to say. software development is changing extremely fast because of AI agents. gabe newell is probably right, imo 10 years from now it will be more valuable to have a very broad range of skills and knowledge, especially and acutely in the humanities, than to have mastered unreal engine

[lapis gate]

I don't feel like much is changing besides 3D artists may fall more into a technical artist role than sorely on focusing in that 3D engine. But if you didn't work in AAA you were probably hooking your models up in the game engine anyway as neglecting that skill just requires another person to do it for you

Also a lot of these asset stores have been poping up, so even if studios didn't jump onto the bandwagon of AI, they'd probably focus more on these licensed assets than hiring a larger workforce for custom assets.

General game developers though I don't see why that workforce would be cut. I can see accelerated learning from it, but it carrying the workload is just bullcrap and a lot of these studios are usually overshadowed by the amount of artists recruited anyway. I think I was reading that you'd have 1 programmer per 3 artist.

[copper gust]

No one hires for a specific engine butttt with how competitive it is nowadays it can def. be one of many potential deciding factors

[lapis gate]

If I was that enthusiastic about joining some larger studio today I'd focus on a tech artist position or tool programmer probably.

Know how to tie all these assets togethers and the in and outs of each program your team is developing in

[slow dirge]

That's for sure. I just mean that they often expect you be able to adapt to other engines and technologies later on.

[copper gust]

God i wish people near me was hiring tooling

[spare frigate]

unity is using ALL 16gb of ram i have and then crashing??

[hushed hamlet]

Sounds like a memory leak

[hushed hamlet]

Im comfortable saying thats the same here (in Canada) from the mid & large studios I've been involved with. About 8 years back we had a lot more Unity in Vancouver/Montreal (mostly AAA mobile offshoots). And now a lot of those moved back to their own engines, unreal, etc. I know a few specific local "AAA" studios here that speak harshly of Unity and indies (I do not agree or really even get along with them).

I imagine a lot of the older custom build in-house engines are C++, plus friendlier licensing on larger teams, combined with a stronger marketing and such. I mean even Bethesdas been spitting out Unreal games now.

Tl;dr. I am inclined to agree, for AAA work, Unreal is valuable to know.

[copper gust]

(Worth noting bethesda did not do the oblivion remake but yeah)

[hushed hamlet]

Not that I think you should avoid learning Unity, it is just a different audience these days. And underrated.

[hushed hamlet]

Yeah, I thought about clarifying the distinction, but thats normal. Your studio hires out a different smaller one to test out new engines for you that you dont use often. I picked up a fairly sizable unreal contract from a largish company for that earlier in the year.

Like this persons response isnt how they do it:
#💻┃unity-talk message the existing teams usually swamped enough with their own work. But of course if the side studio works out (I.e. NWI) they cut and switch over.

[open grail]

Question, is it considered bad practice when creating a new C# module, instead of having it in it's own project, to place within the directory of my Unity/game project?

[exotic relic]

By the time you learn how to code in unreal, you would complete your game in unity

[copper gust]

Completely depends on who you are

[hushed hamlet]

What do you mean by module? Normally, especially at the onset, youll be putting all your code in your game. Youll maybe separate things out into like your own packages much later, but not really at the onset.

[open grail]

The C# module that you deploy to Cloud Code

[hushed hamlet]

Ah, I cant help there, I dont use unitys cloud services

[open grail]

What do you use if you don't mind me asking?

[hushed hamlet]

We use Teamcity & our own Gitlab, then our own thing for user accounts, analytics and multiplayer.

[open grail]

Interesting, was it just because you wanted to use all of those things, or was CloudCode inefficient?

[hushed hamlet]

We are just different. Like, we have web frameworks for AR/VR, unreal, unity etc. So its easier to have our own interconnected frameworks and we need a lot of data controls (hospitals and gov work).

So we just have to control where every bit and byte is stored for compliance and stuff.

[open grail]

Ahhh ok, that makes sense. I just wanted to make sure there wasn't some flaw in CloudCode that you noticed before I finalized on using it.
I'm aiming for a mobile game like Whiteout Survival

[hushed hamlet]

Nope! I think for new devs especially, having a well documented and supported all in one makes sense, especially if you are only using unity and sticking with it. And I think it has a reasonable free tier.

There are some challenges the last time I touched any of it, just because it isnt really your build server, so if something goes off the rails you cant just access it and fix it. But that shouldn't happen often

Its probably worthwhile to learn though, as its likely in demand with small studios (devops type stuff is something people like to hire out, imho)

[open grail]

Yeah, I mean, this is my first time touching Unity and C#. So it may be a tall order, but working towards the end goal is key, no matter how long it takes

[sweet charm]

Lol I've been seeing Whiteout ads everywhere

Can't even escape it in here

[open grail]

I downloaded it just because I was bored and curious, and turns out to be a really cool game, imo.
I like the aspect of it and wanted to try my hand at it tbh

[shut cipher]

I want play respectful games but I can’t find

If recommend me one I will play

[copper gust]

Anyone have any suggestions for free dynamic occlusion culling solutions?

[exotic relic]

What sort of data are you trying to save? Is it multiplayer?

[open grail]

Well, besides player data, like inventory stuff, building levels, troops, etc
I believe I would have to store world data, so the world map can be displayed

[exotic relic]

I see, interesting. Could be saved to json or binary

Maybe ask chatgpt for an idea of how that could be saved and loaded

[open grail]

Well in combination with CloudCode, I was going to use CloudSave

[open grail]

Trust me, I already have a long long conversation with GPT on which approach I should take, because I’m not completely sold on the idea of the client having to “generate” chunks, meaning getting chunk data from the server and then the client spawns whatever on the world map based on the chunk data
I was hoping there was a way for the world map to be like on a server and clients connect to the server to view the world map, so it’s like always generated, but GPT said that’s a no go

[tall hearth]

Cloud save uses Json, dictionaries specifically (i think?)

[exotic relic]

Correct, it couldn’t be stored on a server because the other clients need to know when to reload the chunks

[tall hearth]

does the map update?

[open grail]

Yes, players can move their base, defeat NPCs, deploy troops in which you see the troops moving from origin to destination and a bunch of other display factors

I currently don’t have any of this setup, but it’s what I plan to do.

[exotic relic]

Chunk system is probably something to think about tho, that can save binary files

It would be stored locally. If it’s multiplayer, you’d just need to send a function of when something was placed/built

[open grail]

Well the world map is basically the same for all players. Where player bases are located, where NPCs are spawned, where players troops are marching to, and other stuff

So if PlayerA deploys their troops to PlayerB, PlayerA, B and C should see on the world map that those troops are going to PlayerB

[elder geyser]

I have a question about the color space for textures in URP, mostly albedo/emission.
What color space encoding are the textures assumed to have? Is it RGB/SRGB? or Linear?

[exotic relic]

Could possibly still use a chunk system to have a layout and that could allow for loading a radius around the player, save the coordinates of game objects placed and load those as you move

That’s how Minecraft sort of does it with tile entities

Serialize the data of what was placed, saved as a binary format, and it’s instantiated when the world is loaded

[open grail]

Yeah, the only problem I see now is how I would save that data and retrieve it. Since with CloudCode I can’t really depend on cache data, atleast that’s what GPT says. So I would always have to keep retrieving from CloudSave, and depending on how I store it in CloudSave will probably be the make or break. Because if I have to retrieve all chunks of the “state” then grab a certain chunk, I feel like that would reduce performance

[exotic relic]

If the cloud isn’t a huge deal, make the map local. Each player has the map locally saved and when one player places something send a call for every player to update that chunk if it’s in their range

If cloud saves is a important thing, you could offer a button that says “upload to cloud” and that’s when it can upload and retrieve it all

[open grail]

Any action done that changes a display factor of the map, should really be done on the server. So ultimately the server decides if the player can move their base, if they can deploy troops, if available, then the server will save that data and all clients should basically be updated then and there as well

[exotic relic]

And if you definitely need to store the map on a host only, then similar to Minecraft you can retrieve that data through memory, there won’t be any file transfers yet players can still render the map and changes

[open grail]

Yeah I would like to do memory, but GPT said that although CloudCode can have cache/memory data, it wouldn’t be long term. So at some point it could just not be in memory anymore, or maybe certain fields/values may just be gone

I could store a memory version on the client but it would still need to be updated by the server

[exotic relic]

That’s what happens when you restart a Minecraft server. All the chunks are gone. But then you load them again as you walk around

[exotic relic]

The client saves it to memory, not the server

[open grail]

Yeah, it’s just going to be a long thing to get right. If you watch this video ^ or just search up Whiteout Survival on YouTube to see the world map. That is basically what I’m trying to do

[exotic relic]

You could imagine what happens to their chunks when the camera isn’t above it.

[open grail]

When they’re not viewing the world map, it probably does do some form of despawning. But I guess maybe since I haven’t started on it yet, currently it just seems a bit out of reach

Anyways, ima turn in for the night. This conversation did help set some things in stone on how I should go about it

[tough lantern]

is there a way to pass in a whole bunch of variables as one variable into a function? I'm using polymorphism and it seems like if I want each class to use the same function from the parent class, I need to keep adding parameters to it... I want to add quite a lot of inheriting classes so I think it's going to get out of hand quite quickly. Here is my current code.

[System.Serializable]
public abstract class PlayerAction
{
    public abstract void Action(GameObject gameObject, Transform parent, bool opponentAction);
    public abstract void Undo(GameObject gameObject, Transform parent);
}

and I currently have two classes that inherit PlayerAction, and they both need to use Action and Undo. But only one of them needs the parent. As I go, I expect to need to add more and more and more parameters for each different action that only makes use of a few each, and that just seems really messy.

If there is a way to do it more cleanly I would love to know. I thought maybe structs but... honestly idk how they work and my limited testing made them seem like they either wouldn't work, or it'd still be messy to use one. Any solutions?...

[slow dirge]

Use a separate class for parameters and you can even extend it with subclasses with more parameters.

[tough lantern]

so the solution is to just have a big class full of the parameters...

that was my idea but I hoped that wasn't the solution

[slow dirge]

Not big. It should contain only the parameters that you need to pass.

[tough lantern]

sure but for every action right?

[slow dirge]

public class BaseParamsOrSomething
{
  public int sharedInt;
}

public class ExtendedParams : BaseParamsOrSomething
{
  public string extraString;
}
[System.Serializable]
public abstract class PlayerAction
{
    public abstract void Action(BaseParamsOrSpmething params);
    public abstract void Undo(ExtendedParams params);
}

[tough lantern]

my concern is the ever-expanding parameter list, so surely this would just be moving those parameters into a class and passing that into the method? it sounds cleaner but still, now I have an ever-expanding class instead

[slow dirge]

If every action has unique params, yes.

[tough lantern]

yeah that is the issue-

[slow dirge]

Well, there's not much way around it. You need to define the parameters somewhere. The computer can't read your mind.

You could pass a dict with string - object mappings to pass any arbitrary set of params, but that's a pretty messy solution.

[tough lantern]

won't do that then...

Yeahhh I can't think of a nicer way than the params class

ty

[lapis gate]

gpu culling with the resident drawer

it's a depth based culling solution by unity

[median leaf]

question:
why is this taking soo long

[lunar cloak]

that's just how unity works 🤷‍♂️

the bigger projects I've worked on had this take up around 1.5 hours

[median leaf]

that takes 25 minute ish

[lapis gate]

If this isn't a release build then you should be sticking to dev builds

Also IL2CPP is just slow

Well, in my experience. People will say it's faster than Mono but I've not seen it

[median leaf]

i cant build for mono for some reason, something to do with older gradle

[lapis gate]

Ultimately it's encourage to build as IL2CPP for releases anyway

[random barn]

Can someone hope in a VC with me and help me? I am trying to move my player model from Blender to Unity and i want to know how i like set bones etc. So the rig works for my VR game

[copper gust]

Am i mistaken or does that not support dynamic occluders, only dynamic occludees

[lapis gate]

whatcha mean. You dont need to specify occluders

[stable sky]

How can I reduce this huge number of detail instance density?

[north verge]

Hey guys, could somebody please help me i've struggling for hours 😭 I'm trying to paint grass in my scene using the terrain tool. I have HDRP pipeline and I saw that you can't use the paint details? Somebody on youtube then used the paint trees instead but this gives me the following result. Does anybody have a good video or know how to make grass in HDRP :(

[copper gust]

“To determine whether a dynamic GameObject acts as a occludee, you can set the Dynamic Occlusion property on any type of Renderer component. When Dynamic Occlusion is enabled, Unity culls the Renderer when a Static Occluder blocks it from a Cameras view. When Dynamic Occlusion is disabled, Unity does not cull the Renderer when a Static Occluder blocks it from a Camera’s view.”

Does this not require baked occlusion data for the occluders?

[lapis gate]

I imagine it works similar how instancing works but for occluding by using depth map information

I hear it goes hand in hand with instancing from what I've heard

like for an example of having a bunch of grass done in a single drawcall you can still reduce it greatly if it's occluded

[lyric spade]

(New to unity)Hey I dont know if anyone else is facing the same issue but when I try to add a button to my menu, its super large, and the resizing is really confusing

[copper gust]

Yeah but again based on that description i posted that seems reliant on sampling baked occlusion data?

[jade carbon]

is there a channel for issues

[copper gust]

#📲┃ui-ux

[jade carbon]

cuz i got a issue

[copper gust]

#💻┃code-beginner

[lapis gate]

You don't need to bake with it. It's dynamic culling

[copper gust]

What do they define as a static occluder

[lapis gate]

Well, the docs do specify that they do have some bounding box

https://i.imgur.com/YzUXHZR.png

[copper gust]

That’s for Occluded objects, im more worried about the objects Occluding

[lapis gate]

Not entirely sure I'm understanding what you're asking for lol. Either case that's a new Unity 6 feature and it works pretty well despite it breaking a bunch of my shaders.

[lyric spade]

Done, I would really appreciate it if someone hops on that channel and helps out with it

[copper gust]

Eg my entire scene is instansiated at runtime

So when those docs mention needing “static occluders” I can’t tell what their specifically asking for

[lapis gate]

I'm not seeing anything about a static occluders. It compares against the bounds of the mesh with the depth map samples

or well the bounds of the custom sphere/box it gives to the meshes / groups

[plain dagger]

Terrain grass should work just the same in hdrp https://docs.unity3d.com/6000.2/Documentation/Manual/terrain-Grass.html

[copper gust]

https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/occlusion-culling-dynamic-gameobjects.html

[lapis gate]

like similar to instancing, Unity does create bounds for the group of objects to determine for rendering it

[copper gust]

Oh this doesn’t use that system does it the docs are being annoying

[lapis gate]

There's actually quite a bit to how instancing works yet all you need to do is click the box.

And similarly that's what you're doing here. Unity figures out the rest

[north verge]

Thanks I will read through this, I tried to make it with terrain grass but nothing appears

[stable sky]

Who can explain what these parameters mean?

[north verge]

This is what happens for me :(

[plain dagger]

It looks like the mesh you picked is rotated incorrectly (based on the preview)

the origin may also be bad meaning the grass is under the terrain which you can verify quickly

[random barn]

Anyone got any ideas what this line is and why its comming from my controllers

[lapis gate]

bone?

[random barn]

not the green lines the red one

[north verge]

Yeah i don't know why it's rotated like that, when i go into the prefab it's normal. I don't see the grass under the terrain either. I don't know if I need to change any of these settings?

[plain dagger]

does the prefab have the correct rotation? What about its scale? I dont know if it keeps the rotation specified in there

[north verge]

the prefab looks like this, omg now that you say it i see scale 100?? maybe it's so big i don't see it

nevermind i put the scale to 1 but still nothing shows up :(

wait... i'm onto something with this scale...

something is happening

i think the terrrain is making it small, i just didn't see it

[plain dagger]

It probably does not keep scale or rotation due to how its drawn

[lapis gate]

are you scaling your terrain? 0o

[plain dagger]

fbx scale moment

[lapis gate]

yeah prob that

[north verge]

i might have done this! Because I did some changes after applying the texture paint but I don't remember what

ohh nevermind that was the tiling settings in the texture paint

okay the reason they were so small was because i have to edit the min and max height and width! thanks for helping guys now i just need to figure out how to make it stand up straight 😭

[plain dagger]

it applies random rotation so probably doesn't care about the rotation in the prefab

so ideally you export with the correct rotation and scale (or correct in the import settings)

[north verge]

the terrain applies random rotation?

[plain dagger]

to the grass

Normally you just define a texture for grass but here i am suspicious that they use the prefab as is

Not sure why hdrp disables the grass option

[north verge]

yeah does that rotation happen when i import it? because it looks like this in blender

and then this is what it looks like in unity, it's on it's side

it happens to all my models 😂 but then i drag it into the game and it's just normal

[plain dagger]

you can fix it in blender if you specify a new transform on export and have it as Y up
Its normal as blender is Z up

[north verge]

Okay i will try it out!

[sleek gazelle]

yo does anyone know how to make the sprite of my bullet flip horizontally when the player is shooting to the left? this script just spawns a prefab of a bullet when it shoots

[lapis gate]

spriterender has flip properties

otherwise change the scale of x to negative

[sleek gazelle]

so rn it just spawns bullets that all face right

[sleek gazelle]

ic

so how do i make it activate the flip only when direction variable < 0?

[lapis gate]

well, you're obviously flipping your character here so I'd go back to understanding how you're doing that

[sleek gazelle]

the character is only flipping cuz when direction < 0, the script attached to the player does transform.localScale = new Vector2(1f, 1f);

but since the script for spawning bullets isnt on the bullet itself but rather the gun object, how do i make the prefab flip?

[lapis gate]

when you init here you're getting back the reference to the bullet

and seems like you're caching it somewhere else, but I'd just do it inside of the statement here

[sleek gazelle]

sorry if this sounds like a stupid question :p, wdym by getting back the reference to the bullet?

[lapis gate]

Instantiate has a return value of this newly created gameobject

you dupe the prefab, and it returns the duped instance

[sleek gazelle]

by return do u mean that it spawns the game object?

[sleek gazelle]

what does return value mean?

soz im rly new to programming, thank you for bearing with me 🙇‍♀️

[lapis gate]

It's a concept of methods and how to get back values from them

Not all methods need to return values though

[sleek gazelle]

if im understanding this right, Instantiate means its creating a game object right?

then the things in the bracket say what prefab to use, the position to place it, and the rotation

[pure igloo]

in general, is ui supposed to have a sprite renderer attached to it?

[lapis gate]

Yes, this method here creates the gameobject and it gives you a direct reference to that new object here as you're assigning it to bulletInst

technically you don't need to use that return value if you don't need to act upon it

[thorny patio]

Hello guys please join my devloper community link in bro ..

[sleek gazelle]

sooo by direct reference, ur saying i could just do smth like bulletInst.tranform.localScale = Vector2(1f, 1f); or smth

cuz it exists in the script

or smth?

[lapis gate]

Yes, grab the reference and modify it right after instantiating it there

[sleek gazelle]

ahhhh

i see

thank you so much Mao, i think i understand now

much appreciated 😄 ill go try that out now

[lapis gate]

Ye np

[sleek gazelle]

is this how it works?

wuts this mean?

[lapis gate]

Go back to your player script and see what you're doing there with the flip

[sleek gazelle]

hmm its like this

i used transform.localScale = new Vector2(1f, 1f);

[slow dirge]

Start from finding the line with the error

[sleek gazelle]

so if im understanding it right, im treating vector2 like its a function right?

[slow dirge]

That's what the error says, yes.

[sleek gazelle]

does this code treat it like a function tho?

these are the only 2 instances of vector2 in the script

[slow dirge]

No.
That's probably not the line that throws the error.

You can see the line in the error message(58).

Of GunController script.

[sleek gazelle]

oops mb wrong script

[slow dirge]

Yes, this does treat it as a method.

Constructors in C# are invoked with new

[pearl oyster]

Spot the difference

[sleek gazelle]

ohhhhhh

[sweet atlas]

new

[sleek gazelle]

i fixed it

thank you so much! @lapis gate @slow dirge @pearl oyster i really appreciate yalls help! 😄

thanks for your patience with me

🙏

[sweet atlas]

now implement object pooling on it to avoid allocation cost

https://docs.unity3d.com/6000.2/Documentation/ScriptReference/Pool.ObjectPool_1.html

have fun

[sleek gazelle]

is this a significant impact on game performance if im just creating a simple 2d game

[sweet atlas]

are you allowed to shot many bullets rapidly?

or just a few

[sleek gazelle]

nah youve got like 3 bullets per level

[sweet atlas]

ahh is fine then

[sleek gazelle]

its not an lmg or smth

[sleek gazelle]

thank you tho 😄 ill save this for future refernece

[lapis gate]

deal with it if you run into performance issues, but usually you wont run into it unless you're doing something crazy like a bullet hell

[sweet atlas]

yeah

[sleek gazelle]

ic

ill take note

[sweet atlas]

in the game that im making for the company i work for, is a match-3 game, and i do everything with instantiate / destroy

as long i dont run into performance issue

i wont implement object pool

the URP native 2d renderer is very optimized already

[plain dagger]

proud about that are we?

its only a concern when many things are created and destroyed at one or very frequently

[pure igloo]

should ui ever have a sprite renderer attached to it

[plain dagger]

wha

well no because UGUI does not use sprite renderers

[sweet atlas]

ui uses Image component

[pure igloo]

well shiiii

[sweet atlas]

💀

that's... wrong

https://learn.unity.com/tutorial/ui-components

start there

[plain dagger]

how tf did you manage that 😆

screen space overlay canvases wont render sprite renderers, other forms will but thats merely luck and still bad

[pure igloo]

i thougth this is how u r supposed to do it

[plain dagger]

UGUI uses Image

follow the tutorial above to learn

UI is not the same as gameplay sprite rendering

[lapis gate]

can still use the sprite atlas stuff with the GUI though

[sweet atlas]

yes ofc

[lapis gate]

you say that but that's more of a feature

[sweet atlas]

the ideal is to have at least 2 atlas.

one for gameplay and one for ui

so you don't break the batching

[lapis gate]

I would love Unity atlasing tools with Godot. It's probably the best feature Unity 2D has over godot that I care about

[plain dagger]

nothing is broken because UGUI is drawn seperatley to sprites so they could never be batched together

UGUI batching is also pretty good and I presume UITK is similar

[pure igloo]

quick question, currently what i have been doing is that the yellow boxes have a tag on them, i am checking whether the mouse is making a ray which hits an object with that tag, and then instantiating a unit. the yellow boxes...they are there just for show. they don't rly have any toggles or stuff, you can't even press them. are they supposed to be ui or not

is this even UI

[plain dagger]

UGUI has its own systems for detecting mouse interaction

[lapis gate]

Yeah it's all dynamic batching from the bottom up I'd assume

meaning it's all baked into one mesh until it needs to update and rebuild

[plain dagger]

yes that is what batching is 😆

[pure igloo]

am...am i supposed to rip this whole thing apart and start anew 💀

[plain dagger]

You most likelly need to re do this all because you have been trying to use sprite renderers and physics for this all 🙁

[sweet atlas]

oh nice

[lapis gate]

well, yeah, but usually in 3D you don't have the ability to bake everything into a single drawcall

[sweet atlas]

well for terms of organization i always setup different atlases

[lapis gate]

unless you are a perfectionist that uses only quads and a single material

[sweet atlas]

i once worked on a proyect of a guy who had setup like 20+ sprite atlasses 💀

[plain dagger]

fine to me

ive worked on a project that had a lot of sprites so naturally needed lots of spritesheets

[pure igloo]

kill me pls

[plain dagger]

so saying a project had 20+ isnt a bad thing by default

[plain dagger]

Its probably a good thing as I dread to think what you were trying to do before 😐
UGUI makes it easy to respond to mouse events and also to mouse clicks via the Button component.

[pure igloo]

i click mouse button, ray formed, ray collides, returns me a tag, i tag check, then instantiate

[plain dagger]

yea but you wont do this in UI. You would respond to a click event on the UI element and then do something

I told you it was wrong so please trust me and go learn about UGUI

Unless you are confusing us and this is NOT meant to be UI but gameplay sprites?

[pure igloo]

its not that i don't trust you, more like, i am having a minor, very minor heartattack cus i wasted a lot of time on this and i tmight have been better to ask in here about how to proceed

[plain dagger]

If this is meant to be a UI with buttons to let you spawn in things then this is easy to implement

[pure igloo]

no like, ima be interacting with the boxes at the corner and using them to spawn stuff

[plain dagger]

Then you can get this working easily.
You need use buttons instead and have the correct objects spawned when each button is clicked

[pure igloo]

aight

[plain dagger]

https://learn.unity.com/tutorial/creating-ui-buttons

⬆️ go do this tutorial

[pure igloo]

u got one for 2d?

[plain dagger]

ignore the part about installing "text mesh pro"
UI isnt different between 3d or 2d projects

plz just go do the tutorial 🙏

[pure igloo]

demn i made bro pray me to do it 💀

[plain dagger]

for your own good 😆
Best you learn and see how to use UGUI properly so you can correct your ui

[turbid vapor]

@azure pond
https://issuetracker.unity3d.com/issues/crash-on-detaildatabase-setuppreloadtextureatlasdata-when-building-a-specific-scene

An empty project doesn't have a terrain

[vivid herald]

hey guys does anyone how to disable object icon in the scene?

[craggy pollen]

i think you want the gizmos

[plain dagger]

open gizmos menu, find type and click the icon to hide it in the scene view

i always do this for TMP and some others

[jaunty niche]

Is using VSCode for scripting in unity weird?

[subtle owl]

Nope

[jaunty niche]

i just never see people on youtube use it

[subtle owl]

I use it self

And also have seen many people using that

[lapis gate]

I use it

[jaunty niche]

i love it cause my github copilot works and helps me fix bugs

[plain dagger]

also usable in vs because both are from microsoft

and who owns github? microsoft!

[jaunty niche]

didnt know that

Also a package for unity by microsoft

[plain dagger]

Unity used to have one but for some reason they gave up on it, perhaps because microsoft made one/took over

[safe garden]

is Triplanar mapping an expensive method to use for tiling textures, especially in a stylized game?

[inland river]

Once you’ve leveraged the deep integration, robustness, stability and overall deep insight an IDE like rider gives you in a unity project, VSCode feels primitive and cobbled together. It works, but it’s not the best when your projects grow. It’s a fine companion though, for that same reason. It’s extensibility is magical.

[plain dagger]

sponsored by jetbrains /s

[jaunty niche]

I am just more confident using VSCode because i use it for a lot of projects instead of just Visual Studio Community

[plain dagger]

That isnt really a concern, all that differs between IDEs are some features or how some things are done. Most offer the same functionality and a debugger.
Though if you must have AI assistance then that limits your options

[jaunty niche]

i dont need ai assistance its just nice to have to easy just research stuff

[plain dagger]

you research how to use your ide a lot?

[jaunty niche]

I think i missunderstood what you ment

[plain dagger]

what is there to miss understand? c# is c#, the ide you use doesnt affect that (unity controls compilation)

[open thunder]

Have a SSD with my project, trying to import it onto a new laptop and Unity is not doing anything, any ideas?

[jaunty niche]

yea idk

[cobalt fable]

is there anything known about the release date of Unity 6.3?

[open thunder]

oh no, it didnt save my game objects?!

[balmy kettle]

you need to open your scene

[open thunder]

oh right

oh thank goodness

What's the solution for when everything is pink again?

Tried reimport

[balmy kettle]

https://unity.huh.how/shaders/errors-with-srp

[jaunty niche]

FINALLY my outlines work (i had 1 misspelling)

[native girder]

when i drag in my pixelart animations in unity, they become weirdly blurry and when i put "pixels per unit" to 1 it looks like it should but the character is massive, the thing up top is the envoirnment, what am i doing wrong

[plain dagger]

thats because you changed pixels per unit

[balmy kettle]

reduce pixels per unit back to the number of pixels you want to occupy one unit of world space. then set filter mode to Point

[sweet charm]

It's usually 64 to 100

[plain dagger]

its usually what you want

e.g. "i want 64 pixels per 1 unity unit"

[pure igloo]

is it possible to use ui button to deploy units using a draggin mechanism?

[plain dagger]

Kinda yes. You can respond to a mouse down event on the element, spawn a unit and make it follow the mouse and then do something when mouse is released (e.g place it)

You can use EventTrigger on your ui element: https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.ugui@1.0/manual/SupportedEvents.html

[sleek gazelle]

by script type, does it mean like "monobehaviour"

is that a script type

[native girder]

oh okay thx, mh the blurryness goes away when i use this for max size

[plain dagger]

that just implies you had it way too low before

[native girder]

so that value is fine ?

[plain dagger]

Depends on the context, what is this from? A component we write is a MonoBehaviour but we can make classes that inherit from other types too

[spiral steppe]

Hey guys, I'm currently making a 3d multiplayer tank game. Separate client/server architecture.
However, I can't seem to make bullet collision work. Could anyone give me a word of advice?

[sleek gazelle]

ahh the context is that im trying to pull variables from a different script

[sweet charm]

Likely data type of the variable u want to declare

[sleek gazelle]

i see

[plain dagger]

public variables or public properties can be accessed outside the type. That applies to all classes and structs

(also applies to methods)

[sleek gazelle]

so i dont have to establish a reference to the target script from my first script to access the public variable in the target script?

i see

thank you : )

[plain dagger]

dont get confused. If you have some instance of a type then you do need a reference to that instance to interact with it
"I want to open some door so i need a reference to that specific Door to Open() it"

[sweet charm]

public means u are 'allowed' to access the properties of other classes. U still need a reference to that class to access its properties

[sleek gazelle]

instance of a type as in a specific game object?

is that what it means to instantiate smth, to make the "type" an actual thing

[plain dagger]

yes, or a specific monobehaviour (script)

[sleek gazelle]

i see

[plain dagger]

If i have 5 gameobjects in my scene then we have 5 instances of GameObject

[sleek gazelle]

so i need to reference the specific script which is of type monobehaviour

[sleek gazelle]

ahhhh

i see

[sleek gazelle]

i see

[sweet charm]

An object does not neccessarily need to be Instantiated to be accessed. If u declare an instance of it, it lives inside the memory

[sleek gazelle]

so to access variables from targetScript, i would need a

public class targetScript : MonoBehaviour

[plain dagger]

public class Door : MonoBehaviour
{
  public bool IsOpen => open;

  private bool open = false;

  public void Open()
  {}
}

We can have multiple instances of door

[spiral steppe]

You'd need to declare the variables as public

[sleek gazelle]

right

[plain dagger]

somewhere else i could:

  [SerializeField]
  Door door;

  public void Start()
  {
    door.Open();
  }

that lets me open some instance of door

e.g. I drag in a component reference in my scene

[sleek gazelle]

so "public class Door : Monobehaviour" creates a reference to the GameObject Door of type monobehaviour

and

[SerializeField]
Door door

references the instance door of type Door

[plain dagger]

My first example is just the class definition of Door

The second example is how to interact with some instance of Door

i could have many instances of door in a scene by adding the component Door to a gameobject

[sweet charm]

public class Door : Monobehaviour is the act of creating a class (the blueprint of the object). MonoBehaviour is the class that Door inherits

[sleek gazelle]

i shall take my time to read and understand this before my mind implodes

[pure igloo]

how do you add layers to a button?

[sleek gazelle]

thank you very much for the help guys 😄 ill try figure out how to make this work based on what yall have said

aigatou 🙏 rob and moshades

[plain dagger]

You can but you shouldnt need to so you are probably doing something weird

If you are trying to use raycasts with a ui button stop now

[sweet charm]

Make sure to understand OOP. U can read this
https://www.w3schools.com/cs/cs_oop.php

[pure igloo]

i want the middle sprite to be at the bottom, left button to be on top of it and droplet on top of all of it

[plain dagger]

Ah okay, UGUI image order is based on hierachy so just re order them

or make the bg and icon a child of the middle thing

See the default UI button for reference

[open thunder]

Unity isn't letting me drag any of these pipeline assets into the project settings render - moving this project onto a new laptop

[plain dagger]

How did you move the project and break it

if the act of copying it broke it then you must have missed some important files

[open thunder]

old PC died, have an SSD with the project, downloaded it from SSD onto a new laptop

[plain dagger]

Anyway, double check its a pipeline asset and not merely a settings asset

Then i guess you have corrupt files, I hope you were using source control!

[pure igloo]

what's the difference between these two?

[plain dagger]

back to sprite renderers i see 😐

sorting layers are different to gameobject layers

one controls draw order and one doesnt

[pure igloo]

wait, this is not a button

[open thunder]

Only got what I got on the SSD...

Man,

[pure igloo]

it's the middle sprite i showed

[plain dagger]

Create > UI > Image

[plain dagger]

yea that sucks. Look up using git with unity or unity vcs

[open thunder]

Could I create a new one?

Render asset I mean

[plain dagger]

if you want to but corrupted assets are probably fucked forever

[copper gust]

Not to rub it in but those missing prefabs on the left in the hierarchy seem like a far worse immediate problem

[plain dagger]

yea its easy to re make URP/HDRP assets and settings

[open thunder]

yeah it's saying whatever this is

[copper gust]

I wish I had a positive response for that but it’s not a great sign

[open thunder]

I have no idea, I just copied the whole project in the SSD and I guess I lucked out

[plain dagger]

dying drives do fuck up shit

this is why using source control with a remote (like github or gitlab) keeps thing safe

both platforms have free private projects!

[native girder]

@plain dagger if i wanted to make the art smaller what would be the best way ?
when i export it in aseprite with 100% size it looks good in 16 pixel per unit, but its too big, mhh is there even a way to make it look good while making it smaller ?
it will always look weird when i make it smaller no ?

[plain dagger]

what is the actual resolution of the sprite?

[pure igloo]

how do you use layers the right way? what is the gameobject layer used for and what is the sorting layer used for

[native girder]

640x360 background, id need it to be around 30% smaller

[plain dagger]

for UI, nothing.
For sprite renderers, sorting layer lets you control render order (objects get sorted in sorting layer order)
Gameobject layer is for various things such as camera culling or physics
unity has plenty of docs for both

[pure igloo]

unrelated but this looks rly sick

[native girder]

oh my god thank you so much 💜

[plain dagger]

then reduce the pixels per unit for the background sprite (whatever that is) by 30%.
if my sprite is 16x16 and i set "pixels per unit" to 8 then it will be 2x2.

the pixel perfect camera docs explain some of this: https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.2d.pixel-perfect@5.1/manual/index.html

[native girder]

thx alot, i ll try to figure it out !

[plain dagger]

you can also just scale the gameobject but its nice to get the units correct. Usually also in pixel art games you try to be consistent with sprite resolution too (and if you are then the same pixels per unit setting should work for everything!)

[native girder]

yeah thats what i was thinking aswell, i could just go with 16 pixel per unit and adjust the character controller values i guess,
i downloaded a character controller, since i dont know much about unity and id like to just have a controller that works, so id replace the assets with mine for now

[plain dagger]

Try to set it properly because if you want physics to react properly then scale matters. 1 unit is 1 meter. A good size for a character is 1 wide and 2 tall.

Anyway hopefully you understand the setting and how to use it

[native girder]

so you think making my assets as small as the example project would be easier ?

[plain dagger]

I don't know what that project has in it. I'm just warning you about not making scale make sense

Just set pixels per unit correctly for your sprites or work with a better resolution instead of 360 by whatever

[rose ore]

Wassup

[sleek gazelle]

yo, why doesnt the place for me to draw a script into the inspector window show up? am i not calling upon the script "GunController" here?

[rose ore]

Wassup

[vivid cedar]

Do you have any compile errors in the console? Does GunController derive from MonoBehaviour?

[sleek gazelle]

ah i forgot there cant be compile errors

yes gun controller is a monobehaviour

[vivid cedar]

yep gotta fix all your compile errors

[sleek gazelle]

but now i cant drag the script into the inspector

it doesnt allow me too

[vivid cedar]

you're not supposed to drag a script in there

you're supposed to drag a GameObject that has the GunController component attached to it in there

same way you did with GroundCheck

[sleek gazelle]

oh

[vivid cedar]

script is a bad name for that field btw

[median shale]

hmm assets on store all just redirect to https://assetstore.unity.com/account/assets that just me?

[vivid cedar]

works on my machine

[pure igloo]

@plain dagger hate to be bothering you like this, but like, are these backgrounds supposed to be image or sprite renderers? they ain't a button

[median shale]

if I go here https://assetstore.unity.com/?flashdeals_active=true&orderBy=1 it just redirects me to my own assets :S

its weird

[pure igloo]

i hate layering, its stubid

[sweet charm]

Image. Sprites are also images

Sprite renderer is a component that renders sprites

[pure igloo]

but the component has the functionality to be able to layer stuff in order, image doesn't have it

how in god's name am i supposed to layer image components

[copper gust]

hierarchy

[balmy kettle]

UI components, like the Image component, are drawn in hierarchy order. so higher in hierarchy = drawn first, lower in hierarchy = drawn last/on top

[plain dagger]

Right click your Canvas, do Create > UI > Button then OBSERVE

I hoped the tutorial taught you this

[pure igloo]

i am not making a button, i am making the thing supposed to be present behind the button

[rose ore]

How things going in indie market

Any hit game?

[copper gust]

any time in the last 15 years would have a answer to that question lol

[stuck flower]

You been under a rock for a year or what

[open grail]

Question, is it considered bad practice when creating a new C# module, that will be deployed for CloudCode, instead of having it in it's own project, to place within the directory of my Unity/game project?

[sweet charm]

Pho Anh Hai

[sleek gazelle]

ahh gotcha, ill change it

[sleek gazelle]

i see! this made it work, thank you 😄

[sweet charm]

Sprite renderer is mainly used for 2D objects in game world. Image is a UI component

[plain dagger]

If this is your "unit" then that should be Instantiated dynamically and should not be in UI

[rose ore]

I want to know indie names making big I am under a rock

I haven't seen falling for a while

[stuck flower]

Consider typing that question into google

[pure igloo]

i think i am terrible at explaining stuff

[copper gust]

lethal, peak, schedule 1 etc.

[sweet charm]

Well, u should check The Game Award nominees

[stuck flower]

Less than a month ago a Unity game literally crashed every single online storefront for half a day

It'd be hard to miss

[copper gust]

ignoring the elephant in that selection lol

[rose ore]

They are co op horror games anything else they released a while ago

[copper gust]

1 of those is a horror game

you can google the other two i believe in you

[rose ore]

Little nightmare was also a success

[stuck flower]

If you have some magic criteria in your head that would discount something you should probably actually say what you're looking for up front

[rose ore]

Any single himan made game

[copper gust]

the game that came out 8 years ago?

[rose ore]

Nah port3

Part 3

Any single human made game released and succeed?

[copper gust]

no

define single human

[stuck flower]

No unfortunately most video games are made by dogs

[rose ore]

I mean solo dev

Had this become a thing of past?

[stuck flower]

Three people made a video game that crashed the Internet three weeks ago

[copper gust]

solo dev has never particually been a "real" thing

[sweet charm]

No way it's only been 3 weeks

[copper gust]

4 primary

[rose ore]

What do you mean minecraft was solo dev

[stuck flower]

Lethal Company, Mouthwashing, Lunacid, all solo developers

[copper gust]

are you real

[copper gust]

really depends on what is considered solo dev though

[rose ore]

I heard animal crossing was a solo dev or whatever that was

[stuck flower]

No, they're rage baiting that's why the keep moving the goalposts

[sweet charm]

Animal crossing is Nintendo

[copper gust]

aside from unity engine period lethal pretty heavily uses third party plugins

[rose ore]

I doudt mate I doudt it they are not solo they are too much of a hit

[copper gust]

also in the upcoming update lethal is using something from a mod (with permission) which is cool

[stuck flower]

"it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than speak and remove all doubt"

[copper gust]

they mean animal well but still a troll

[rose ore]

I don't what game it was undertaken something

Not animal crossing

[pure igloo]

pls tell me i layered this right pls

[rose ore]

Undertale

[stuck flower]

Does it work?

[pure igloo]

shiii if i know, last time i did smth like this, it ended up going haywire the next day i loaded it up cus the layers weren't ordered and stuff

worst part is, these are images, not sprite renderers, i don't have the option to sort layers, i can only do it through heirarchy

[rose ore]

Do you think solo dev games are in shamble cause of saturations?

[stuck flower]

So, test it thoroughly now. Come up with some ways you might break it and try them. Try your best to break it

[stuck flower]

Why do you ask questions if you're just not going to accept any answers. This is pointless

[rose ore]

I want to just here the state of indie gaming I'm accessing it not accepting it

Indie solo dev

Not team indie

[stuck flower]

Stop inventing excuses not to try and go make a video game

[rose ore]

I wanna know before I jump in

[stuck flower]

Again, stop inventing problems. Make game.

[pure igloo]

oh ya i broke it aight, i moved the Button(legacy) 1 out of the parent image and back into it, and guess what, it dissapeared

[stuck flower]

It's probably behind another one. Do you have a layout manager on anything?

[pure igloo]

it went from here to here wwth

O_O

[stuck flower]

When you un parent canvas things, their position is way off. You probably shouldn't take them out of the canvas, ever

[sweet charm]

Also, I think u should adjust the anchor in Rect Transform

[stuck flower]

Or use something like a horizontal layout so it does that for you

[sweet charm]

Never good with this UI stuff

[pure igloo]

what does anchor do?

[stuck flower]

https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.ugui@1.0/manual/UIBasicLayout.html

[sweet charm]

Anchors ur item in a corner

Sort of that

So it scales nicely with dynamic resolution

[plain dagger]

Yea time to go learn about UI properly

[pure igloo]

wrong channel

[lethal storm]

hey guys, could anyone help me with an issue I have with the new input system?

[vivid cedar]

#🖱️┃input-system share details of your problem.

[lethal storm]

@vivid cedar It's that in the auto-built script, there's an error that occurs because I am not disabling it, is it an issue if I just comment that part of the code out, that throws the error?

[vivid cedar]

Ask your question in #🖱️┃input-system and be less vague please. Provide specific errors, code, etc

[lethal storm]

alr

[glass kraken]

hi, density volumes don't exist anymore?

[native fox]

hi, im an art student and new to unity. im making a project rn and not sure what is wrong: i got some assets and tilemaps done but, after sorting them on layers and setting order in layer the way it was supposed to, everything is still behind the background layer

[pure igloo]

finally a kindred spirit

[dusky forum]

Maybe show the hierarchy. Order on the hierarchy matters.

https://docs.unity3d.com/6000.2/Documentation/Manual/UIE-draw-order.html

[native fox]

as far as i know with sorting layers it has to be bottom to top to sort things properly from back to front and now that im looking at the hierarchy, does it have to be the other way around then?

[sweet charm]

I suppose u can put all the tilemap items in one Grid

[native fox]

oh yeah i was gonna do that ty

[sweet charm]

Hierarchy only matters for UI

[pure igloo]

are sprite renders effected by heirarchy?

[sweet charm]

No

[pure igloo]

oh, predicted my qs

[lapis gate]

I thought sorting layers do depend on hierarchy if sorting layers are similar and there's a tie breaker

[pure igloo]

show the sorting layers tab, this thing, chances are, you might have sorted them wrong...

[pure igloo]

sorting layers do matter, but its for sprite renderers, not for image components as moshades said

[native fox]

here

[pure igloo]

it should be the exact opposite

[native fox]

ah shoot, i was told the other way around, ill try then thank you
edit: worked, thx!

[pure igloo]

[lapis gate]

Even for sprite renders there needs to be a tie breaker if we're not talking like a custom y sorting axis.

you also have z-sort but if that fails too then what

[pure igloo]

i don't have enough knowledge to answer you, sorry

[lapis gate]

Oh I'm not sure either. I just assume the hierarchy is the final way to sort these sprites if sorting runs into a tie

[jade carbon]

what should i do after getting the movement right

like double jump and run and walk

[modest meteor]

what your game needs

[tall hearth]

make deformable terrain duh

[jade carbon]

alr

[hushed hamlet]

Ship it and start on the next one

[sudden ruin]

don't listen to the guy above me. spend 5 years polishing just the movement

[thin holly]

Is there a question section of this discord?

[hushed hamlet]

Pretty much all the channels are question sections for specific topics

[thin holly]

Ah. Mind if I ask it here if someone knows?

[potent geyser]

You haven't asked anything

[hushed hamlet]

You are good, you dont have to ask to ask, just go for it.

[thin holly]

So I was wanting to make a simple flip animation for a square from dark grey to light grey. But for some reason the animation doesn't look like the sprites. It doesn't follow one to one.

I've spent 30 minutes trying to figure out why but I couldn't find anyone online talking about it.

[vivid cedar]

If you remove or disable the animator and just assign one of those sprites directly to your renderer, what does it look like?

[thin holly]

Oh its the same thing

[vivid cedar]

yeah so not an animator issue

[thin holly]

I'm pretty confused why that's happening

[vivid cedar]

Can you show a little more about your scene and the object with the Renderer

[clear hearth]

Hey friends

[thin holly]

Hellooooooooo

[clear hearth]

I want to change the environment

How can I do?

Sorry for that

[vivid cedar]

You've got some kind of special material on the player's Renderer

what happens if you remove that

[clear hearth]

I am new in the Unity editor

[thin holly]

Player becomes pink?

[vivid cedar]

what do you mean by this? What do you consider the "environment" and what kind of change do you want to make to it?

[vivid cedar]

sorry change it to "sprites default" or whatever the default is for SpriteRenderer

Sprite-Lit-Default

if using URP

[clear hearth]

I want to upload the room on my project

[thin holly]

That fixed it! Thank you so much. I'm not sure how that got there.

You're awesome!

[vivid cedar]

what is "the room"?

[clear hearth]

I want to upload the normally room in Unity

[vivid cedar]

What is a "normally room"?

If you're talking about a 3D model you just add it to the Assets folder and drag it into the scene to get started

[clear hearth]

Yeah, that is. Thanks for everything

I haven't got used to Unity yet. I apologise for disturbing you.

[hot lagoon]

can someone help my baked lighting I'm knew to it and one of my objects is turning black for some reason can someone help me out

[gloomy raptor]

Hey I wanna get into making a multiplayer game where players can push around physics-based objects. Which networking solution is the best for such approach?

[vivid cedar]

#1390346492019212368

[smoky tartan]

So I'm trying to make sure I understand the way CPU and GPU time is distributed in Unity. I asked for some AI help and after some tweaking came up with this interactive tool. Please could someone who knows better than me confirm whether this is at least basically how Unity works?

https://github.com/nbrader/nbrader.com-unity-frame-visualizer

I've posted this on stackoverflow here: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/79827604/understanding-cpu-vs-gpu-time-distribution-in-unity

[sly lake]

Why would GPU time scale with the size of the command buffer?

The GPU doesn't execute the command buffer.

[north elbow]

I have question, i downlaoded Universal 3d Sample, and there is a lot of pretty assest 😄 is it possible to use them in my game ? or no ?

[sly lake]

Depends what you downloaded, but probably, yes?

[mild radish]

from what im seeing it falls under the https://unity.com/legal/licenses/unity-companion-license

https://discussions.unity.com/t/introducing-the-new-urp-3d-sample/929894/49?page=3

[north elbow]

understandable

[sly lake]

It’s lawyer speak for “yes”

[north elbow]

If lawyer is needed ill show him this messages. I am safe

[mild radish]

dont resell the assets

that is all

[sly lake]

You can put them in Unreal if you want

[wet basin]

My camera is messed up. Can someone please DM me to help me?

[shadow heron]

No one is going to DM you. Just ask / explain what your issue it.

[wet basin]

Oh ok

My camera is bugged and I don’t know how to fix it

Like my scene camera

[sly lake]

How is it bugged?

If it’s tilted you can press the cube in the middle of the trumpets, twice

[plain dagger]

fyi most browsers by default wont just let a local html file access other content hosted locally so telling someone to clone the repo is not enough to "use it"

[sly lake]

It links to a hosted page. But I don’t want to draw attention to rather nonsensical information.

[plain dagger]

yea i am not sure any of that is useful

I just know there are many factors to frame drawing complexity

[sly lake]

The CPU side is true but useless. “scripts” do take CPU time I guess.

But as I said the GPU doesn’t execute command buffers. It executes shaders and rasterization work. Command buffers just schedule those.

[stray oxide]

Not sure what it is but I get this sometimes on my inspector, sometimes disappears but when it does happen its kinda annoying lol

anyone else get this?

[sly lake]

Unity 5.2?

[plain dagger]

I did some research recently about tile based gpus and they have different performance considerations compared to traditional gpus.
so even then its not the same

[sly lake]

Make sure it’s up to date

[stray oxide]

Yeah all up to date

[sly lake]

Everything’s tile-based now

[plain dagger]

erm no?

[sly lake]

https://www.realworldtech.com/tile-based-rasterization-nvidia-gpus/

AMD and Intel followed later

[plain dagger]

Hmm i was aware somewhat of how rasterisation actually happens but im not sure if its fair to say its the same as low power gpus

[sly lake]

As the article notes, documentation about the actual rasterizer is scarce

There’s still a hardware rasterizer, but it’s treated as a black box.

[plain dagger]

gah its hard to find anything good about this 😐
I have patchy knowledge about some things relating to msaa and triangle coverage

[wind yoke]

Just a little warning to anyone when I had the non secure version of unity before it was announced it had injected something into my plastic scm even when I deleted the version so be careful abt that

[pulsar spruce]

If i wanted to start a team for a project where would I go?

If I wanted to find people with skills in modeling, coding, etc.

I'm asking because I was gonna learn how to rig and animate viewmodels for an fps test game but can't find any tutorials on it.

[smoky tartan]

Hi. Thanks for replying. I'm not sure if I'm using the correct terminology when I say "commands" and "command buffer". I think Unity might have something called the "command buffer" which is probably different to what I mean here. I'm talking about the jobs that are scheduled for processing by the GPU.

[dense reef]

As I learned command buffer often used to execute operation with entities in right time (not immediately)

[fair cove]

How are you certain that the injection was specifically caused or done through a unsecured Unity version? Are you suggesting a bad actor exploited the vulnerability to inject a file into your SCM?

[dense reef]

So I suspect any Command Buffer will be used for similar tasks

[fair cove]

There are lots of tutorials on rigging and animation, its not easy and there are tedious steps involved, but for example, you can download Blender for free and find tutorials on how to animate in Blender, how to setup rigs in Blender, theres even extensions such as "Rigify" which does 99% of the work for you

If you would rather work with others though, you can try the Unity forums, or collab forums like itch io, or some Discords (not this one) that have collaboration/team building channels

[smoky tartan]

Sorry I didn't want to mislead anyone. I'll put a warning on that page to say I've not verified the information presented in any way matches true Unity behavior from a reliable source.

[little dune]

yo what's up

I just got into unity and I;m trying to figure out tiling but its kind of challenging

How do I change these tiling things seperately?

[hidden panther]

is there a way to just have the position.y property?

[little dune]

what?

wdym

prolly not

[hidden panther]

oh okay

[little dune]

but dont take my word for it

I'm new to unity

[dense reef]

do you learn tilemap? just google it and check the video you understand

[little dune]

ok

[smoky tartan]

I've added a warning to my website: https://nbrader.com/unity-frame-visualizer/index.html

[dense reef]

@hidden panther you can remove Position.y from the animation and then add static value to it and modify during animation as you want it behave

[hidden panther]

oaky thanks

[little dune]

I still dont know how to use the tiling thing correctly

[dense reef]

what you exactly do not understand

[little dune]

is there a way to automatically change the "Tiling" value in the properties as you change the size of the object?

oh, and is there a way to separately tile 2 different object with the same texture? all in 3d of course

[dense reef]

You can create 2 tilepallets each with sprite size you need

[little dune]

what are tilepallets?

[dense reef]

so you didn't watch tutorial about tile map

or you mean not tilemap but somthing else?

[little dune]

I couldnt find the one

I mean the "Tiling" here

[dense reef]

tiling you mean material tiling it is how your material will be displayed on the 3d object

[little dune]

yeah

[dense reef]

experiment with it just change the values and check how it looks

there are only 4 values

[little dune]

but when I change the values it changes all the textures values

[dense reef]

what do you want to achive?

how result should looks?

[little dune]

like, when I change the texture's tiling thing it changes another object's aswell

[dense reef]

yes it will change all objects with modified material

[little dune]

I want the tiling to be adjustable on different objects

[dense reef]

you need to create new material for each unique tiling

[little dune]

ok

[dense reef]

and apply it to needed objects

[little dune]

is there an easier way to do it?

[dense reef]

it is easy you press right mouse button inside project->Create->New Material and then drag and drop created material on needed objects and modify New Material properties

[little dune]

ok

[dense reef]

I do not remember maybe just Create->Material but not PhysicsMaterial

[little dune]

yea that worked

tysm

[dense reef]

yw

[sleek gazelle]

hullo, simple question here for a 2D game, if im setting player.linearVelocity to a specific Vector2 at every update in order to create my player's speed, how can i create an instance of speed to the player? I want to give the player recoil

the issue is, if i set player.linearVelocity to a very high number temporarily to simulate recoil, the speed gets immediately reverted due to being called every update

idk how to elegantly solve this issue 🫠

thank you 😄

[vapid spoke]

yo i made a vr game how do i fix error PS.im am new

[viral hill]

best to ask in one of the code channels

[viral hill]

share the error

[vapid spoke]

ok

to who

[viral hill]

to here

[vapid spoke]

more to have

of errors

[viral hill]

you are missing required packages

[vapid spoke]

you know gorilla tag or sm

[viral hill]

no