💻┃unity-talk

[pure igloo]

https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/UIE-simple-ui-toolkit-workflow.html how do i go through these docs without blinding myself? dark reader does nothing

[balmy kettle]

this isn't really a unity related question (despite the page being linked being from the unity manual)
but also

dark reader does nothing
try actually enabling it because it does work

[pure igloo]

i know how it works, it ain't doing nothin

my screen looks like this

[potent moss]

wdym by original dash value and current dash here?

[storm patio]

dashSpeed and dashVector, respectively

[royal wing]

btw have you tried just using rigidbody.addforce instead

might not give you as much customizability but it's worth trying if you cant get it to work

[potent moss]

like this or? https://blazebin.io/xobclbvndoqx/0

[balmy kettle]

no, because you're reducing the dashSpeed here which means the next time you dash, you won't

also this is exponential decrease, so if that was not the intention then it's still wrong

[potent moss]

ya that's why I threw dashSpeed = baseDashSpeed; in

or like wdym

I'm rly confused anyway cuz dashVector is a vector3 and dashSpeed is a float

[balmy kettle]

okay i didn't notice that part. but like, now you've got two variables for the same thing and weird logic that doesn't require a reassignment

[balmy kettle]

in that case the "original dash" i referred to would have been the direction multiplied by the speed at the start of the dash

[storm patio]

dashSpeed is a magnitude
dashVector is a magnitude and a direction
we're referring just to the change in magnitude here - the direction will stay the same

[balmy kettle]

but honestly, just use lerp or something. you are getting really confused about the logic here

[potent moss]

ok well do you maybe know what causes this ^?

cuz it was kinda the main issue I came here for

[storm patio]

did you just, completely miss this message?

[potent moss]

is this fine?

[storm patio]

ok yeah that magnitude is way higher than it should be

wait no

[waxen flax]

used unity to trane a bitcoin trader

[storm patio]

...apparently (14, 46, 13) does have a magnitude of 50

so that's not the issue

probably framerate like boxfriend mentioned then

[balmy kettle]

50 is a pretty high magnitude for velocity. it probably didn't seem that high with the way they were previously decaying the speed since that was definitely framerate bound

[storm patio]

hm, perhaps there was significant calculation while airborne that made the framerate lower?

[potent moss]

would smth like dashVector = Vector3.Lerp(dashVector, Vector3.zero, dashDecay * Time.deltaTime); work or am I stupid?

[balmy kettle]

in that case use MoveToward not Lerp unless you want the decay to slow down the closer it gets to Vector3.zero

this explains why: https://unity.huh.how/lerp/wrong-lerp

[potent moss]

dashVector = Vector3.MoveTowards(dashVector, Vector3.zero, dashDecay * Time.deltaTime); ?

[balmy kettle]

yep, that's better with the parameters that you have

[potent moss]

very cool

[balmy kettle]

now that you are not basing the reduction on your framerate you'll need to reduce the overall dash speed

unless of course your intention was to be able to move at over 100 miles per hour

[rustic spindle]

Hello, I am in a critical launch-blocked situation. My LevelPlay account is pending approval, and I have had no human support for over a week.

I have already fixed the root cause of the problem (a "Legal Name Mismatch") on my end.

I have consolidated all my information into a new ticket with the unityads-support team. Can a community manager or Unity employee please escalate this new ticket?

My new ticket number is: [00849252]

I am completely stuck and cannot launch my game until this is reviewed. Thank you for any help.

[vivid cedar]

Unfortunately this is just a community-driven discord server. For the most part Unity employees are not monitoring it.

[proud burrow]

Are you doing a parkour type stuff??

[rustic spindle]

is there any way to solve my issue?, i struggling for past week and till no response from any human supportive person

[rustic spindle]

no i am making a flow free type brain teaseer game

[vivid cedar]

no idea

maybe make a new levelplay account?

[rustic spindle]

but i need to give same bank details right? then definitely they will flag as 'fraud' activity with multiple account

[pale coyote]

Bro I just added one prefab of an asset I found and it's taking too long to load is this normal?

At this point I want it to stop

How do I do it

[viral hill]

kill it via task manager

[pale coyote]

Ok but which one

[viral hill]

maybe the one that says "unity editor" 🤯

[pale coyote]

Under unity editor there are 15 more options

[viral hill]

close the top one and it will close all of them

[pale coyote]

I just wanted to stop the loading but I guess this works to

[viral hill]

That's the only way to stop it other than waiting

[pale coyote]

I guess I'm making my own asset instead of importing a 600mb asset

[tiny anchor]

can someone explain me if i create some different size cube in unty how can i create same size cube in blender so when i import in unity both of there size scale and rotation matches

[storm patio]

why would you make them twice in both programs though

[pale coyote]

Exactly

[tiny anchor]

happend when you try to change something wile game is running in editor but happend sometime

[stable owl]

Hi
when i add my boxCollider2D .size.y(1.2) to 5.5f and compare with 6.7f it return somehow false(**)
meanwhile comparsion of boxCollider.size.y with 1.2 return ture
how to fix this bug?

[pale coyote]

Belnder and unity both use meters so I think just use the same dimensions and rotations

[pale coyote]

#💻┃code-beginner

[vivid cedar]

floating point math doesn't work how you think it does

[storm patio]

don't expect floats to be exact

[tiny anchor]

well i try that thinking same but even using same sacle like in unity x100y01z100 same apply on blender then import in unity but it sjust to big in size

[storm patio]

you have 5.5 there instead of 5.5f. that promotes the entire calculation to double

but you just should not rely on == with floating-points in general

[vivid cedar]

It's not even possible to precisely represent the number 1.2 in an IEEE 754 floating point variable:
https://float.exposed/0x3f99999a

Same for 6.7

[stable owl]

but when i 1.2+5.5==6.7 it return true

[vivid cedar]

luck

[stable owl]

only when instead of 1.2 i place my collider.size.y problems begins

[vivid cedar]

You are tryin gto preceisely compare floating point values and arithmetic

friends don't let friends do that

What are you actually trying to accomplish with your code?

I assure you there is a better and less error prone way to do it

[storm patio]

you're getting 1.2 (double) + 5.5 (float -> double) as a double, and then compared with 6.7 (float -> double)

the results are not exact

even without float vs double discrepencies, you cannot rely on equality with floating-points
most famously, 0.1 + 0.2 != 0.3

[stable owl]

what is the way?
i need to know whether my point lie on border of my boxCollider

[vivid cedar]

define some threshold. Check if the distance is less than the threshold

[lilac flume]

yoo hi

is there anyone online?

[balmy kettle]

!ask 👇 https://nohello.net

[vagrant root]

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[pure igloo]

i have a collision effect which works when the spaceship collides with an asteroid. problem is, that the said collosion effect is not the one which i currently have it equipped with.

so the explosion present in the prefab folder, is what i want to be displayed, but then, when the spaceship collides with an asteroid, it shows something else completely

The player is the spaceship object in this case

[near wigeon]

show the relevant code

[pure igloo]

!code

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[pure igloo]

https://paste.mod.gg/apgmfmqshrjl/0

to save you some time, these are the relevant parts of the code

[near wigeon]

I can see it already

[pure igloo]

sry explosion eff

not collision eff

[storm patio]

damn that's a lot of white

you sure your IDE's configured?

is VS supposed to look like that?

[balmy kettle]

that's a screenshot from the paste site

[near wigeon]

the explosion effect, can you show the Origin selected gizmo
& main component settings

[pure igloo]

elaborate pls

[storm patio]

yeah ok that's on me

[near wigeon]

hmm.. or maybe its more to do with the settings on particle effects too..
also have you tried spawning it without rotation instead of transofrm.rotation make it Quaternion.identity

[pure igloo]

ya, changed it, did nothing

[near wigeon]

ok show the other stuff then

[pure igloo]

so like, i make a video just for the explosion effect?

[near wigeon]

screenshots are fine

[pure igloo]

this does not make sense?

[near wigeon]

no doesnt help at all.. I was talking about the settings on the main component

[sweet charm]

Screenshot the Inspector window of the particle prefab

[sweet charm]

Click the triangle next to Particle System and show the full setting

[near wigeon]

ight this gonna take all day.. best of luck

if anything #✨┃vfx-and-particles

[nova quail]

Does anyone get these Restore Up pop ups whenever working in unity or visual studio?

[mild radish]

its visual studio / windows more often then not

haven't seen it re-appear since i moved exclusively to vscode.. could have been some windows update or something that fixed it on my end..

[near wigeon]

most likely something to do with rotation and / or velocity over time
look into those, idk the exact cause, I don't work with particle system often.

[nova quail]

my visual studio is outdated

[sweet charm]

It’s gotta be something with the code. Try setting the rotation of Instantiate to ExplosionEffect.transform.rotation. That way u preserve the prefab’s rotation

[pure igloo]

that worked wot

could you explain what transform.rotation is compared to ExplosionEffect.transform.rotation?

currently, they don't make sense to me, or refer me a guide to look at

does rotation deal with particle spread?

[storm patio]

they're both applying to a transform, so it's just changing what the rotation applies to

[pure igloo]

wait a sec

[balmy kettle]

the difference between the two is literally only which object's rotation you are getting. that's it. transform.rotation is implicitly this.transform.rotation which is this object's rotation, ExplosionEffect.transform.rotation is the transform.rotation for whatever object is assigned to ExplosionEffect

[pure igloo]

is it possible that the explosion was happening along the z and x axis instead of happening along the x and y axis which could explain why it wasn't appearing as a spread instead ans a line..?

[vivid cedar]

transform on its own like that means this.transform i.e. the Transform on the same GameObject as this script.
ExplosionEffect is some other object presumably

[sweet charm]

It’s like rotated 90 degrees

[balmy kettle]

that is a possibility, and would have been more obvious if you would stop hiding all of the actually useful information every time you take a screenshot.
don't fold the components so they aren't hidden because 9 times out of 10 that info is what someone is wanting to look at

[pure igloo]

ahhhhh

[pure igloo]

alright, i will try to keep that in mind

but, i still don't get how the rotation is supposed to effect the display inside the code...like does it tell the initialiser that if it's 90 degrees rotated, unrotate it 90 degrees or smth?

[balmy kettle]

we still don't even know for sure if that is the issue

[pure igloo]

there could be another issue on top of it? didn't you guys solve it?

[balmy kettle]

what i am saying is that this assumption that the object is rotated is literally just an assumption based on no concrete information because you've hidden what could have shown taht

[potent moss]

I mean like this still results in the same issue no? it works fine as a vector2 but the moment the player tries dashing up they get sent into orbit

https://blazebin.io/yhuqgendkruv/0

[pure igloo]

i have shown everything, what did i not show?

those 5-6 images i posted at once is everything

[sweet charm]

It’s best to mess around and figure it out yourself. I can tell u to check the transform of the instantiated object before and after fixing the issue to make sure it’s the root of the problem

[balmy kettle]

you've literally hidden the transform which shows the rotation of the object. which is currently what is being discussed.

[sweet charm]

And u can pause the editor and check things in your game

[pure igloo]

O_O

is that a problem?

nvm, ima tinker with this a bit and see what happens

OH YA

it is rotated

[balmy kettle]

there you go. the object was rotated 90 degrees around the X axis so when it's being spawned as not rotated, it appears as a line

crazy how this could have been solved half an hour ago if you'd just not hidden the transform

[pure igloo]

in my defense...i dunno what the useful info is, also, since my screen ain't that big, i have to take smaller ss

[pure igloo]

i did not hide it, there's a diff b/w deliberately doing smth like hiding and not knowing what the actual info is

it's not like i wanted this to take so long

[balmy kettle]

you don't know what the useful information is so you go and intentionally fold all of the components, that's deliberate because components are not folded by default. and this has been a problem every single time someone has asked to see a screenshot of some object's inspector

[pure igloo]

i fold these to make it easier for me to look at...it's not like i can keep all the tabs collapsed at all times

[mild radish]

but u notice how much faster it was solved when u showed it?
just saying.. keep ur components expanded.. if u need to just take multiple screenshots..
its to help you as well as it is to help us

[sweet charm]

Ok, lesson learned, we can chill out

[pure igloo]

i understand

[mild radish]

help us help u 🙂

[pure igloo]

mb, will keep it in mind later

[balmy kettle]

presumably it's something with how you are handling gravity then 🤷‍♂️ your logs are difficult to see in your video because you seem to be logging every single frame and discord's video player doesn't like playing frame by frame so i can't see what the actual velocity is at the time this issue occurs, nor have i seen how you are handling gravity (other than knowing you are handling regular movement by assigning to velocity so therefore you must be handling gravity manually as well)

[potent moss]

oh no I'm not messing with the gravity at all

the only thing I've done with it is add fast fall which just increases gravity a bit

[balmy kettle]

then how is gravity being applied? because otherwise you are overwriting it which means you are basically preventing gravity from working correctly

[potent moss]

I'm just using the default physics all rigidbodies have 🤷

[balmy kettle]

if you are effectively overwriting gravity each frame then it's no wonder it isn't being properly applied when you dash in an upward direction because you literally erase the actual effects of gravity and the only gravity you actually receive is from your dash decay

[pure igloo]

@balmy kettle @sweet charm @storm patio @near wigeon thx for the help

[storm patio]

yeah please don't do that

[sweet charm]

I thought it was my discord kitten

[potent moss]

well then what do I do instead? bcs just adding gravity manually like here vvv doesn't rly seem to help

[balmy kettle]

can you stop showing videos of your code. nobody wants to scrub through a video to try to read it

[potent moss]

https://blazebin.io/gikzuoimvxen/0

[balmy kettle]

that's also not how quite gravity works, and we can't even see what it might be set to in the inspector since it is public

gravity isn't a constant -1, it's an acceleration of -9.81 meters per second per second. so it constantly increases (until you reach the ground and stop accelerating)

and also, since you're adding the current y velocity to the already above 1 dash velocity you're compounding how fast you accelerate upwards

the reason this isn't happening for your X and Z axis movement is because you throw out the current velocity along those axes each frame in favor of recalculating what they should be based on your input. so you basically need to do the same for your Y velocity instead of relying on the rigidbody's current Y.
basicaly create a private float for the current value of gravity, reduce it each frame by -9.81*deltaTime (standard gravity, you can increase or decrease the actual value as needed), and use that in place of rb.linearVelocity.y on line 77. also assign to that variable instead of to the velocity when you jump

[mild radish]

• Dash vector: independent, decays via lerp, doesn’t affect vertical acceleration.
• Vertical velocity: tracked separately, accumulates gravity each frame, jump overrides it when triggered.
• Horizontal velocity: recalculated each frame from player input; only affects X/Z axes.
  Final velocity: combined as horizontal + dash + Vector3.up * vertical before assigning to the Rigidbody.

👉 main concept: keep values seperate so your logic can modify them individually to combine them later on without them affecting each other

[celest oar]

sef

[potent moss]

what's vertical here?

[mild radish]

it'd be the Y velocities (gravity and jump)

idk.. i didn't read thru your entire code.. just giving a generalization.
typically its best to keep everything seperate until the end when u can combine them..

that way if u modify (1) of em it doesn't affect the rest (its just added into it)

[wind perch]

@near wigeon is #💻┃unity-talk good enough for the flood and spam type of messages?

[sweet charm]

Can someone link the AI chat in here. I cant find it

[wind perch]

where you do chat about regular day-to-day offtopic things in this serveR?

i'm completely new to this server and wouldn't want to get kicked for disobeying the rules

[near wigeon]

there is no offtopic at all on this server
see #1180178376028327936 message

[sweet charm]

Yeah, we don’t. This is an educating server

[wind perch]

that ain't good, regardless of whether this is an educational server

[viral hill]

#1352599815770341479 ?

[wind perch]

people like to bond with each other when they learn

especially if they are here for the long run

[near wigeon]

luckily has been working for this server for years so

find another place that fits your accommodations

[wind perch]

this one fits my accomodation

just not fully

regardless, it's the moderators issue to solve

[near wigeon]

not adhere to the rules of the server

[wind perch]

thanks

[wraith pasture]

join brackeys or other servers

[near wigeon]

the community relays the information that are passed down from the moderators, so if they tell you or we tell you. The rules are the same

[high night]

I wouldn't want to be on any server that supports flood/spam messages anyway. There are plenty of servers out there for that.

[wind perch]

this one is the flood/spam channel

"Non-programming Unity topics & questions not covered by specific channels. Any prolonged discussions and game design questions to be threaded."

I checkmated you all.

people do like to bond

especially if they are here to stay indefinitely

[near wigeon]

you just won't stop do you..

[wind perch]

and learn Unity

[charred fog]

We don't need continuing with off-topic here, thanks.

[near wigeon]

rage bait

[wind perch]

here comes the police...

[high night]

It says "non-programming unity topics"

Unity topics.

[sweet charm]

What is the point of this convo again? It’s not even entertaining

[high night]

There isn't one, they're complaining.

[near wigeon]

its saturday, school is out. Little kiddie dont got a babysitter

[wind perch]

you know... when I was at uni people told me that only well socially adjusted programmers make it into the industry

I never made it into the industry

which is why I'm here, trying to make a startup

[near wigeon]

tell that to your therapist or something

[charred fog]

!mute 638451702277865480 1d Off-topic spam, willingly ignoring server rules.

[vagrant root]

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Reason: Off-topic spam, willingly ignoring server rules.
Duration: 23 hours, 59 minutes and 58 seconds

[high night]

You're not here making a startup, you're here complaining about the server.

[charred fog]

wilfully that is...

[peak mountain]

😂 whyd yall mute him he was about to have a breakdown i think

[high night]

There's another server out there for that

[near wigeon]

no need to continue entertaining this nonsense

[high night]

lol

[peak mountain]

So lets say I was looking for someone to see if my modding sdk could be exploited to execute malicious code. What would that job title be?

[near wigeon]

white hat hacker

[high night]

Penetration testing, red team.

[peak mountain]

Think it would be overkill to have someone look it over?

[high night]

How seriously will a compromise affect you and how large is your exposure?

The same question can be applied to multiplayer security.

How much can you afford it, how much will it cost you, how likely are you a target.

[peak mountain]

Wouldn't effect me at all really, community servers can write client side scripts and if someone figures out how to escape sandbox then they can do w.e to end users pc

[high night]

Is your code base executing code dynamically?

I guess so from what you described.

[peak mountain]

yes a scripting language

[high night]

How is it implemented?

An interpreter of some kind?

Generally you want to white list functionalities.

[peak mountain]

jit compiler
https://github.com/namazso/PawnX64

[storm patio]

if you're accepting arbitrary code and running it on the server, then yeah, that's running arbitrary code

if that's the case, you would probably limit what the scripting is able to do

[peak mountain]

which is already done

[lapis gate]

(or so you think)

[peak mountain]

but im wondering how exploitable shit can be to escape the sandbox

[storm patio]

can the scripting language itself execute code?

[peak mountain]

nope

it can only do what you tell it to do

[high night]

Are system functions partitioned/removed?

[storm patio]

bro that's every language, that doesn't help lmao

[high night]

It comes down to what's included in your scripting environments execution context.

[storm patio]

is it your own scripting language, or an existing one?

[peak mountain]

modified version of an existing one

[high night]

If it doesn't have access to file system access because you partitioned it off, then it can't format their system, for example.

[storm patio]

so then you'd want to make it so the arbitrary code can't execute fs or network stuff, probably

or shell

[high night]

Yeah it comes down to whitelisting what can be done.

[peak mountain]

it already cant do that unless again there is an exploit

[lapis gate]

just wing it and wait for user feedback for when the inevitable happens

[high night]

In my experience with this sort of thing that comes down to compromising the client itself. But I'm thinking a situation with an interpreted LUA scripting backend where what was available had to be bound to the execution context.

So in that case, it was completely off the table unless someone recompiled or modified the code to include those elements.

[peak mountain]

this is what the library says in the readme.

[high night]

Sounds like unless your application code is modified it's unavailable then.

But that's just my take.

I can promise a professional analysis won't be cheap, but you can definitely find someone willing to do it.

If you're operating a business and have a large revenue stream to protect, it might be worth it. It's at your discretion.

Add a disclaimer though

Somewhere in your EULA.

Indemnify yourself.

[peak mountain]

I guess I will have to evaluate the market and decide if its worth the price. I see major games have exploits in their mods though from time to time so maybe just not caring is an option

[peak mountain]

good idea honestly. Thank you for all the advice.

[high night]

I'm sure they care. It's a cost tradeoff.

They surely had the same conversation, or someone in their legal at minimum did.

[lapis gate]

can always head over the sites like crackmes and pretend it's some challenge to crack if you don't want to spend a dime

"Impossible, never been solved"

[high night]

They'd approve of the social engineering anyway.

[high night]

Or just "I tried to break it, it's tough..."

Clever

Anyone have any hot takes on data serialization? What's you guys preferred approach to persistence?

[peak mountain]

That could possibly work lol, throw a small reward if someone is able to crack it and there would probably be a pretty decent amt of people attempting

[near wigeon]

JSON

[high night]

How do you handle Unity object refs there?

That doesn't even really depend on JSON of course 😄

Serialized Addressable refs was my approach.

But that requires you want to use addressables.

But then you step into the fragility of the addressable system if the address changes.

Which I solved with a mapped GUID system. But that feels cludgy...

But it can't break end user refs

[lapis gate]

custom guids is what I use with json

[high night]

You have an asset registry?

Or just scene objects?

[lapis gate]

I have some manager that maps types to guids if that's what you mean

well guids to types

[high night]

More so mean if saved data stores some instantiated object and you just have the GUID.

Have to find the asset reference to rehydrate on load.

[lapis gate]

all you're really doing is reconstructing that object technically

[high night]

Huh, we might not be talking about the same thing.

[lapis gate]

of course if you have unique data then you have to provide a bit more context usually via struct

[high night]

At some point if your data contains a reference to an asset, you have to be able to resolve the asset via your ref.

[peak mountain]

I just have a list of AssetReference that lives on a scriptable object with some editor utility i use to create them it generates an id and inserts it into said list at id then use that id in my json files.

[high night]

Aye, that's what I meant by a registry, really.

[lapis gate]

yeah you'd want to generate new GUIDs for reference bindings I guess. I guess I've not really needed a system for that for anything so far

[peak mountain]

the downside of this is the assetreferences all live in the memory 24/7 idk if this is a bad thing really or not but i guess it might become one as my game grows

[high night]

The refs being in memory shouldn't actually be a problem.

[peak mountain]

I never really looked into it b/c rn its not been a problem

[high night]

Not like direct references to the assets where you'd get loading in the background by default.

Have to unload them, of course.

[peak mountain]

        [SerializeField]
        protected internal string m_AssetGUID = "";

        [SerializeField]
        string m_SubObjectName;

        [SerializeField]
        string m_SubObjectGUID;

        [SerializeField]
        string m_SubObjectType = null;

oh you're right there really isn't much data living on them at all

[high night]

Right

I have something similar but I preprocess a map of asset GUIDs into a scriptable object which can be used at runtime to resolve the asset from the address.

[peak mountain]

I thought about using an sqlite database for this glad I didn''t now lol

[high night]

Your setup is simpler. I still have to map addresses for changes so if the address changes I can walk back to the a known address to get a GUID.

But it basically keeps addresses from breaking since I serialize the asset refererences as part of the objects themselves.

[peak mountain]

what made you decide to do it that way?

[high night]

I wanted it to be completely invisible but avoid any problem where if an address changes for whatever reason then the asset stops being resolvable. It was probably me trying to be too clever. I've experienced team environments where stuff gets changed and then end user data breaks, which is a nightmare.

Are you having to connect things together by entering an ID for the asset you want into inspectors and whatnot? Or when it comes time to save you go look through your big list and save the ID?

[high night]

I'm looking at sqlite for saving data right now actually. 😄

As well as an alternative to reflection based serialization.

JSON is nice and convenient but holy smokes the garbage collection can be tough.

[peak mountain]

you could consider binary serialization. there are a ton of libraries on github that do this really well with no gc spikes, unless ofc you need them to be able to edit them in a textfile

[high night]

I'll consider that. I don't know if those support the sort of features I'm interested in building but I'll have to take a look. I'm interested in partial saves via transactions, which those libraries may support, but I'd assume they're serializing the full blob. I also like the idea of the performance you get from being able to do partial writes in transactions from a performance durability standpoint.

If you only need to worry about X objects for example.

Not everyone needs that of course.

But it does parallel nicely with remote storage or synchronization.

So it's something I'm working through as an exercise.

[maiden laurel]

Dunno where to post it since the unity multiplayer server is down.
I have a strange bug since I switched my unity version to the security fix one.
My second unity instance of multiplayer center can't access a scene that is from the active scenes
"Scene 'Multiplayer' couldn't be loaded because it has not been added to the active build profile or shared scene list or the AssetBundle has not been loaded.
To add a scene to the active build profile or shared scene list use the menu File->Build Profiles"

anybody got that and how to fix it ?

[high night]

Oh, one other thing I'm trying to address is schema/data layout versioning.

[near wigeon]

multiplayer moved to #1390346492019212368

but also sounds like you didnt add the scene to the build list

[maiden laurel]

Yeah I saw that one but didn't understand the threads things, I'll post there

[maiden laurel]

yes it's already done

[near wigeon]

there is a channel without the thread
https://discord.com/channels/489222168727519232/1392142304772358215

[maiden laurel]

oh thanks didn't see it

[scarlet sun]

anyone got tips on actually starting to learn unity and work instead of just wanting to but feel like its tto boring

[near wigeon]

!learn

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[near wigeon]

if you find learning new things boring, I don't think anyone can help with that.. Most people do it because its their passion

if you're going into it thinking you will make a hit game or for monetary reasons you are already going in with the wrong mindset

[runic parrot]

how to make a 2d sprite go in the direction the head is facing, here is my attempt but the problem is it always goes world direction up
(I am making a platformer tag game)

using UnityEngine;
using UnityEngine.InputSystem;

public class CharacterController : MonoBehaviour
{
    private Rigidbody2D rb;
    public float jumpSpeed = 5f;
    public float turnSpeed = 100f;

    void Start()
    {
        rb = GetComponent<Rigidbody2D>();
    }

    void Update()
    {
        var keyboard = Keyboard.current;
        if (keyboard == null) return;

        if (keyboard.upArrowKey.isPressed)
        {
            rb.linearVelocity += jumpSpeed * Time.deltaTime * Vector2.up;
        }

        if (keyboard.rightArrowKey.isPressed)
        {
            rb.MoveRotation(rb.rotation - turnSpeed * Time.deltaTime);
        }
        else if (keyboard.leftArrowKey.isPressed)
        {
            rb.MoveRotation(rb.rotation + turnSpeed * Time.deltaTime);
        }
    }
}

[near wigeon]

Vector2.up to transform.up

remember Vector.up etc. are the Global coordinates and never change, and transform directions is according to transform rotation

btw you should not be using Time.deltaTime on rigidbody

Update should be FixedUpdate

[runic parrot]

ok ty

[hot laurel]

anyone having issues with UPM right now?

[near wigeon]

not really

[frail meteor]

Hey, Anybody has some experience with active ragdolls? i have a problem that my legs are not walking but are being dragged when going uphill 🥲

[tall hearth]

Tried saying this earlier and got told i was wrong 😔

[pure igloo]

A spaceship exploding has never given me so much joy up until now

[near wigeon]

depends on the context.
the velocity is already being applied as framerate independent cause its moving velocity per physics Tick

[glacial flax]

I'm making a strategy game and I got my world map as a sprite and someone told me to use something else but idk what

this

[near wigeon]

are the sections meant to be selectable

[glacial flax]

yes

[near wigeon]

you would probably want a secondary png / texture that defines those regions so you can do further processing in code / shader for selectable

a basic rundown, you query the pixel / color and figure out from there wat it belongs to

games like crusader kings

[glacial flax]

it won't be in regions. players will start with 1 pixel and will extend their country

[frail meteor]

So like openfront?

[glacial flax]

yes

[near wigeon]

never played it but I'd image the concept is similiar

[glacial flax]

similar but without regions

[tall hearth]

Im mean this would still be regions just a huge unclaimed one and the player ones that expand over time which im shre you can update a png mid runtime for

[glacial flax]

yes

it's like the video above

so I don't know if I should stick with the sprite or do it with something else

[near wigeon]

why not look at the repo for it on github

they have the source there no ? you can probably study up

[runic parrot]

i think its in typescript

i might be wrong tho

[near wigeon]

most of the concepts should still translate to c# / general

[glacial flax]

lemme see

[near wigeon]

even easier cause TS has statically types

[glacial flax]

I just don't know what could be useful

[near wigeon]

you gotta look in the src

[glacial flax]

okay

it's in typescript

[near wigeon]

well yeah, but TS is easier to read than vanilla JS cause of defined types at compile time

im sure you can kinda get a gist of how you can approach it

[glacial flax]

so sohould I check the global ?

[near wigeon]

seems like mostly its grid-based

[glacial flax]

it's the .ts thing

[near wigeon]

Core usually contains the main code

[glacial flax]

there is a lot of things

[near wigeon]

no shit

its an entire game

[runic parrot]

I switched it up though how do I avoid the ambiguity error? also remove time.deltatime

using UnityEngine;
using UnityEngine.InputSystem;

public class CharacterController : MonoBehaviour
{
    private Rigidbody2D rb;
    public float jumpSpeed = 5f;
    public float turnSpeed = 100f;

    void Start()
    {
        rb = GetComponent<Rigidbody2D>();
    }

    void Update()
    {
        var keyboard = Keyboard.current;
        if (keyboard == null) return;


        float angleRad = (rb.rotation + 90f) * Mathf.Deg2Rad; // convert degrees to radians
        Vector2 facingDirection = new Vector2(
            Mathf.Cos(angleRad), // X component
            Mathf.Sin(angleRad)  // Y component
        );

        if (keyboard.upArrowKey.isPressed)
        {
            rb.linearVelocity += jumpSpeed * transform.up;
        }

        if (keyboard.rightArrowKey.isPressed)
        {
            rb.MoveRotation(rb.rotation - turnSpeed);
        }
        else if (keyboard.leftArrowKey.isPressed)
        {
            rb.MoveRotation(rb.rotation + turnSpeed);
        }
    }
}

[near wigeon]

which ambiguity error are you referring to
(btw you should ideally call the rb stuff in FixedUpdate)

[glacial flax]

no shit it's an entire game

[runic parrot]

sorry for not giving context
Operator '+=' is ambiguous on operands of type 'Vector2' and 'Vector3'
also I should prob just change Update to FixedUpdate right

[vivid cedar]

rb.linearVelocity += jumpSpeed * (Vector2)transform.up;```

and yes this should be in FixedUpdate

[runic parrot]

ok ty

[vivid cedar]

realistically rb.linearVelocity += jumpSpeed * transform.up; should use Time.fixedDeltaTime. But this is sort of an odd way to do a jump.

[frail meteor]

@glacial flax https://github.com/copilot/share/42485232-48c4-8ce6-8951-4840801d6893 Might help idk

[vivid cedar]

This is more like a "thruster"

[near wigeon]

ah yeah true , thats what I thought it was some sort of forward -topdown thing but now the jumpSpeed threw me off lol

[vivid cedar]

or jetpack

[glacial flax]

thx I'm checking it

[near wigeon]

dont post unverified AI random gobbledegook

#📖┃code-of-conduct

[frail meteor]

Ok srry

didnt generate random stuff tho, just searched the repo, and he could use it for further help🤷

[green valve]

Okay how does this work?

I own a few non-negotiable Editor plugins. I plan to work on a game with a Designer. That designer will need to come into Unity and be able to do work, and I will be designing them editors and whatnot with Odin. Can they just exist in my organization and be granted access to these tools, or do they need to purchase a copy themselves?

[vivid cedar]

it depends on the license model for the plugins. If they're "per seat", you need to get them seats

assuming they actively use them

"per seat" licensing is less common

[green valve]

Well I at least see that Odin says 1/1 Seats.

I assume that means only I can use it.

[vivid cedar]

https://support.unity.com/hc/en-us/articles/208601846-Asset-Store-licenses-Extension-Assets-Single-and-Multi-Entity-assets

Yes Odin is a per-seat licensed asset

[green valve]

Shoot, thanks for the info!

[vivid cedar]

i.e. "extension asset"

[topaz cargo]

Hi! I'm looking for someone experienced with Unity (preferably with Shader and VFX).

[vivid cedar]

If you have a question you can ask in a coding channel or #✨┃vfx-and-particles
If you're looking to recruit someone...

!collab

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[topaz cargo]

Thank you

[sly apex]

Can anybody explain what this message in the profiler means? Everything online is telling me it means that I'm GPU bound, but I'm clearly not...?

[slow dirge]

Can you expand the hierarchy on the second screenshot? And show more of the hierarchy beside that entry.

As for the left screenshot, where did you take it? I don't remember such a ui in unity.

[wheat mountain]

I had someone reinstall my operating system because I don't know how to do that myself and, as such, I had to reinstall Unity. Because of that, though, I'm getting a "Unity is running with Administrator privileges, which is not supported." error that I wasn't getting before. How do I get rid of this?

I notice that it keeps logging me in as "ADMIN" whenever I boot up my computer which I imagine has something to do with that, but I also don't know how to stop it from doing that

[pure igloo]

how do you loop over the same audio if you are pressing something on your mouse or keyboard

[mild radish]

audioSource.loop = true; audioSource.Play();

[sly apex]

Not from the same file, but here's the same thing happening extended.

Also the screenshot you said doesn't look like Unity, is when you click the "Highlights" in the profiler window.

[dusky forum]

Make sure you aren't running the application with administrator privileges. On Windows, you can right click an app and check it's property. Where the last tab would allow you to see if you're launching it with administrative privileges.

[sly apex]

The thing in the top left is the Highlight menu thing.

[mild radish]

something i found in a Windows support forum

[wheat mountain]

Is this what you're talking about? Because it was never checked as "Run this program as an administrator" to begin with

[mild radish]

👐 no clue about it tho.. tbh

[slow dirge]

What else is there at the root, beside the finish frame rendering?

[slow dirge]

Ah, I see. It's the new feature in unity 6.

[slow dirge]

That sounds like an issue with windows rather than unity, so perhaps Google it or look for a community that is more related to the question.

[pure igloo]

thing is, then it keeps looping no matter whether i have the button pressed or not

i want it to loop only when it's pressed

[mild radish]

u can also check in taskmanager..
right click on columns and add the Elevated tab

[wheat mountain]

I did that and still nothing

[sly apex]

Again, not from the same frame, but it's still the same stuff in this screenshot:

[mild radish]

if(Input.GetKey(Keycode.A){looping = true};
else {looping = false}

[pure igloo]

actually maybe i can set it too false when i don't unclick

[mild radish]

use GetKey or something

[slow dirge]

"wait for last presentation" definitely indicates a GPU bottleneck.

[pure igloo]

ya...prolly that will work

[wheat mountain]

Ok, it does seem to say it's elevated, but that doesn't tell me how to fix it let alone fix the problem permanently

[mild radish]

idk its a weird situation ur in.. im unfamiliar.. can't help too much lol

[sly apex]

Than how come the exact same frame shows this:

[slow dirge]

Honestly, I'm not sure how to read these new metrics or what they indicate.
But gpu active time might indicate that the gpu is busy doing something.

[wheat mountain]

Well, this isn't the end to the problems I'm having. Apart from Visual Studio being extremely eclectic about when it even wants to work, it's no longer showing me errors when it could and should have been before like this. How would I fix THAT?

[mild radish]

#💻┃unity-talk message
you tried re-opening it after confirming this Run as Administrator is uncheckd?

[mild radish]

question... how is your window in dark-mode like that?

[slow dirge]

Oh, I guess I'm blind. It says cpu time.

[wheat mountain]

Yes. It doesn't change a thing. In fact, "Run this program as an administrator" was never checked to begin with

[wheat mountain]

Hell if I know. Everything changed after the person at the computer store reinstalled Windows. For some reason just about EVERYTHING is in dark mode

[slow dirge]

One thing that comes to mind is that you're using urp/hdrp, in which case any gpu related metrics might be wrong.
Waiting for frame present is the best indication you can have. It means that either the gpu is still working, or it's waiting for a target frame rate or vsync. Vsync is unlikely, as the frame time is weird. Target frame rate could be it if you set a weird target frame rate via code. Other than that, it's just waiting for the gpu for whatever reason(some other program uses it extensively?).

[mild radish]

maybe check out the Accounts > section of ur PC.. theres some help links at the bottom that might be helpful

[wheat mountain]

I don't even know how to get to that

[mild radish]

funnily enough tho.. my account is Administrator account.. (so my pc logs in like that)
but it doesn't affect my unity or hub.. (they all get signed in without admin)

[slow dirge]

It really sound like you need to do some googling or learning about windows. Not related to this server at all.

[mild radish]

in start menu u just type in Settings.. and open the Cog

then u can search for Accounts

or just find it in the list

good luck tho 🍀 thats the best information I got..and yea its not too much Unity related atm.. as it is Windows Support stuff

[wheat mountain]

Ok. I certainly found this dialog. Now what?

[mild radish]

well it just gives u information..
^ at the top the "User" thats signed in will state whether its the Admin account..
then theres links in the bottom w/ more information like the Checking if you have admin privileges
and im sure you could get someone on Support to see if its anything related to the fresh Install of Windows that may be causing your issue..

its not specifically Unity related.. you could ask "Why does a program always seem to open as Administrator even when I haven't chosen to do so"

#💻┃unity-talk message
anyway ^ im actually spent.. i don't know much more than that... i was just googling along-side the convo

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us the whole "it didn't happen until after the fresh Install" seems like a big clue.. i just dont know what it means

[sly apex]

Okay well I'm using URP and didn't know about that, so that's interesting to say the least. But okay, I'll look into the rest, thanks!

[slow dirge]

1. Looking at the rendering metrics could help identify issues.
2. Looking at the task manager gpu usage could help see if your gpu is used to the fullest and by what processes.

For precise gpu metrics(and just debugging gpu performance in general) you'd need to use tools like PIX, RenderDoc or Nvidia Nsight.

[copper gust]

kinda a question for myself rather than a informed suggestion but a rudimentary way to check if your gpu bound would be to decrease the internal resolution right?

[slow dirge]

That would only work if you're bound due to fragment shader complexity. If you're vertex bound(or some other niche causes), that wouldn't help

But it's a good way to see if it's a vertex count/fragment complexity or overdraw bottleneck, once you know it's a gpu bottleneck

[sly apex]

Sorry, I had a couple more screenshots and questions:

1st image: Shows the current frame CPU vs GPU,
2nd image: Shows the rendering tab in the profiler,
3rd image: Shows the CPU tab with no target framerate set.

Unless I'm wrong, nothing looks too bad in the rendering tab, right? And then the CPU metric vs the GPU is crazy, how could this be GPU bound? I know you said the metrics could be off, but by this much?

[slow dirge]

Yeah, this one looks fine. At least according to this data it doesn't look like a GPU bottleneck. Perhaps it happens on some frames only..?🤔

[slow dirge]

Btw, can you take a screenshot of the whole profiler(including the toolbar above the hierarchy mode)?

[sly apex]

Nope, every frame.

Yeah sure, the spikes in this screenshot only happen when in deep profiler mode, so ignore those.

[slow dirge]

One more thing to note is that enabling the gpu module can skew up the data. Check the warnings next to the modules.

[sly apex]

The "PostLateUpdate.FinishFrameRendering" still appears regardless of if the GPU tab is active or not.

I didn't know about these before though.

[slow dirge]

FinishFrameRendering by itself doesn't indicate a gpu bottleneck. That's a function ran on the CPU. What matters is what it's doing inside.

[sly apex]

Yes, exactly what I'm wondering, everything online told me that it indicates a GPU bottleneck.

[slow dirge]

You can expand it a bit and see for yourself.

[sly apex]

So, just rendering the main camera causes this?

That's what it seems like expanded atleast.

[slow dirge]

Rendering the main camera is not "just".😅
It's a complex process involving a lot moving parts and potential for performance issues.

One thing I'd try first is profiling a build, as it could be just an editor quirk.

[sly apex]

Well yeah. I just thought that stuff was done on the GPU.

[sly apex]

All these profiler images were from a build.

[slow dirge]

It involves both. The CPU does frustum culling, collects objects to render, goes through their renderers and materials, decides rendering order, creates batches, draw calls, sets gpu state. The CPU does a lot in terms of preparing for rendering. It just doesn't do the rendering itself.

[slow dirge]

Then I'd look at the profiler hierarchy again(with the gpu module disabled). There were a few sus things in your hierarchy screenshot a while ago.

[sly apex]

Here's that

[slow dirge]

I mean expanding the hierarchy more to see what's going on inside.

[sly apex]

Like the PostLateUpdate thing?

[red moat]

I have a pretty big question for a very ambitious project. Without getting too technical, I was wondering if we could use Unity Assets we have in our library for a discord bot? The goal is have the bot and other script(s) hosted via Android, offload the GUI/Graphics rendering payload to another service (such as replit, or other cloud options).

[slow dirge]

Well, yeah. If that's the part that you want to investigate. Which probably is, since it takes the most time.

[slow dirge]

I do still wait for present here, which is sus...

[sly apex]

Okay then here, my bad!

[slow dirge]

Hmm... This is probably fine. The only thing that stands out is that it allocates GC.

[slow dirge]

Can you show the graph with vsync enabled?

Also, should've asked a long time ago, but it doesn't seem like you actually have a performance issue..? Your fps should be above 60. So what exactly are you trying to do?

Also, you said that you're profiling a build, but it looks like you're profiling in the editor(note the Play Mode dropdown).

[sly apex]

Just trying to keep going higher on FPS, and secondly it's the Unity profiler connected to a build.

[slow dirge]

If it was connected to a build, it should say something like the localhost ip and the process name

[sly apex]

It was connected but then I closed the application to pause the timeline which caused that message to disappear.

[slow dirge]

Ah, okay.

Well, then it would help looking at the graph with vsync enabled(and gpu module disabled).

[red moat]

Nevermind, I'll just use CCO-Compliant materials.

[copper gust]

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[sage basin]

?ban 1423603060185497640 bot spam

[novel scarab]

brave_quail_08977 was banned.

[red moat]

Are we able to talk directly with Unity staff members in here?

[mild radish]

only the discord Moderators stay active enough, for Unity store, account, and licensing stuff:

https://support.unity.com/hc/en-us/requests/new?ticket_form_id=65905

Please reach out to our Customer Experience team if you need support.

its mainly peer -> peer discussions that happen here

[red moat]

Thanks

[sly apex]

Went ahead and checked that out, nothing much I think?

[slow dirge]

No, I meana all the categories enabled. Not just vsync

[sly apex]

Is there anything really different here?

[slow dirge]

I was hoping to see the graph flatten out with everything enabled. That would imply vsync.

[slow dirge]

But really, the rendering here is only 1/3 of the frame time, so perhaps it's worth optimizing other parts of your game first.

Starting with profiling with deep profiling disabled to avoid it's overhead skewing the results.

[wheat mountain]

So is there a reason my code isn't underlining errors in red anymore when it should be? I'm honestly way more concerned about this than being forced to run the project as administrator when I don't want to.

[vivid cedar]

!ide

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[wheat mountain]

So, what, do I just completely remove Visual Studio and follow one of these guides? I don't understand

[true sequoia]

how do i fix this texture overlapping?

[vivid cedar]

Fix the UV mapping of the mesh

[azure grove]

also is this because of the mesh, or is that 2 meshes intersecting

i would likly just avoid the problem and have a corner cap be part of the design of the object

[cinder bone]

is it possible to have grass that looks like actual grass using only a texture and no 3d blades?

[azure grove]

would still need grass cards for it but yeah depending on the wanted style can get pretty convicning

[near wigeon]

click the link and double check the steps. if you verified all is the same, check here as well https://unity.huh.how/ide-configuration/visual-studio#if-you-are-experiencing-issues

[cinder bone]

its giving nintendo 64

[true sequoia]

i don't know how i'm kinda new ;-;

got any step by step?

[vivid cedar]

Go on youtube and start researching UV mapping of 3D models

[true sequoia]

what about this i just found it on google

[wheat mountain]

Right now I think it's trying to download documentation or something but it's taking a really long time so it's not responding to anything here

[vivid cedar]

What about it? That looks like a library of materials. You still need to learn how UV mapping works.

[true sequoia]

;-; alright

[vivid cedar]

UV mapping == how to "map" the 2D texture onto the 3D object. Imagine trying to wrap a printed photograph around a tennis ball. Or a small action figure, for example

It's not obvious how you'd do it, right?

you'd need to cut the photograph, stretch parts of it. Maybe copy parts of it.

All of that is what UV mapping is

[true sequoia]

i will try my best to understand thx you tho 👍

[keen bolt]

can anyone help me its such a specific thing that i would like to get in call iif plossible

[nova quail]

I feel a bit unmotivated to work on my game does anyone got any tips?

[inland river]

Work on it anyway.

[nova quail]

Yeah I will thanks

[still stone]

As daft as that almost sounds... Sometimes a lack of motivation can be countered by working, getting back into it after a mini pause helps

[tall hearth]

anyone know why the Services namespace is throwing me a does not exist? i have services core installed

[vivid cedar]

Can you share your exact code and the exact error you are seeing (and where you are seeing it)?

[tall hearth]

not really more to share cause i cant use anything from it's reference as it cant be found

[vivid cedar]

Do you see this error in the unity editor as well?

or just in your IDE

[tall hearth]

just IDE

[vivid cedar]

then it's an IDE config issue

try regenerating project files

from the external tools project settings menu

[tall hearth]

alright

seems to have worked ty

[green valve]

Back to an earlier question...

So I have 4 assets that I use that are single seat only. Of those 4, 1 is really important for my designer to have, the other 3 I can use, but my designer doesn't need a copy.

Can my designer still work on the project in Unity if all he does is pick up a copy of Odin Inspector and not the rest of my QoL plugins such as vHeiarchy2, Tabby Context, and Wingman?

Or because I use all 4, they have to pick up all 4 or else the project errors out?

[still stone]

Are they quality of life plugins or do they fundamentally integrate into your project

[green valve]

Odin will fundamentally integrate, the rest are QoL that are just for me.

[inner jay]

does anyone know why my unity text on my script in my inspector invisible?

[still stone]

Yes it's a unity bug, either roll back to 6.1 or hope unity fixes it soon

[inner jay]

rip, is there a fix to unity 6.2 as of right now?

[still stone]

As far as I'm aware no.. but there may be in the latest update, if you're on the latest then no

[still stone]

Missed this my bad
Okay well they would need Odin, as it changes your project.
The rest highly unlikely, that's almost like saying I have X extension on VSCode does my colleague need it, not necessarily but it may be easier with it

[green valve]

All good, that is what I was thinking. Thanks!

[still stone]

Generally it's good idea to do one of either
Share the same environment
Or
Work on two split projects and merge the files into 1 project
You can use GitHub etc also

[green valve]

I could .gitignore my QoL plugins, I just thought about that.

Meaning the designer only needs a seat of Odin since I don't share the other 3 with them.

[still stone]

Wouldn't know if that would work, try it and find out

[keen bolt]

hey does anyone have a moment

[wheat mountain]

!IDE

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[still stone]

That depends, is it related to Unity that is included in the code of conduct

[keen bolt]

well yeah

when unity asked what i wanna use to code i chose opera how do i swiitch

i swear if you do the ide thing

[still stone]

Application defaults or in the settings for unity preferences in editor

[gaunt python]

Why do people keep using photon pun when there're steam and epic games p2p that is totally free?

[keen bolt]

lemme see

[unreal jewel]

well to use steam p2p you need to publish on steam and, i imagine, for epic games you'd have to publish on epic games

[still stone]

I mean there may be many reasons, does steam or epic have requirements or conditionals

[keen bolt]

where is uniity prefereces

[still stone]

I know steam requirements have a down payment for publishing

[unreal jewel]

100$ to publish on steam yeah

[gaunt python]

I heard of games on meta store that use epic games p2p so I don't think there're really strict requirements

And, well, most of the games end up on steam or epic games anyways

[still stone]

Not too bad

[gaunt python]

Especially weird it seems for the games where there's no donate, you just post game, people buy it, and keep playing the game while you have to pay for them playing the game even through you don't get a cent from the users anymore since they've bought the game

[unreal jewel]

most multiplayer games on steam (especially indies) do use steam p2p

[gaunt python]

For example?

[still stone]

It's a 100$.. in game dev if done properly I can guarantee you'll spend far more

[gaunt python]

What's 100$?

[still stone]

The publishing to steam cost

[unreal jewel]

as i said, most steam games use steam networking
lethal company, risk of rain 2, peak, whatever

(pretty sure lethal company isn't peer to peer, but it is still steam's networking that it uses)

[gaunt python]

At least peak is using photon for sure, I've just checked the files

[copper gust]

lethal is p2p

[unreal jewel]

from what i can find, photon can be used with steam networking?

[still stone]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Unity3D/comments/syxx8c/steam_servers_using_photon_networking/

[gaunt python]

I don't think the comment is related

Probably the guy didn't realize they speak about photon

[gaunt python]

Where did you find it?

[unreal jewel]

actually now that i'm reading some more about it that seems to be different..?

[gaunt python]

Lethal company is indeed using "netcode for gameobjects" so yeah, most likely is using steam p2p

[copper gust]

(I can confirm PEAK & Content Warning use photon and steam networking to handle joining and leaving dedicated photon hosted servers)

[gaunt python]

U prob mean matchmaking but it isn't really related because you still have to pay for photon anyways

Peak, as I said, for sure using photon

Content warning as long as I remember is made by the same devs

So probably the same story

[still stone]

As I said earlier.. there's a few costs that are not worth caring about in game dev

[copper gust]

afaik Steam does not offer free dedicated server hosting, your gonna be paying someone

[gaunt python]

I agree about those 100$, but not about photon costs

[gaunt python]

Nobody is talking about dedicated ones

We were discussing p2p games

[copper gust]

what photon p2p games are we talking about

[still stone]

Probably cheaper than going through google

[gaunt python]

How is google related?

[gaunt python]

Photon pun games

[still stone]

Google offer a lot of different services

[copper gust]

such as?

[gaunt python]

But I've said, you can just use steam and epic for free instead

[gaunt python]

Peak and content warning

[copper gust]

those are not p2p

[gaunt python]

What made you think so?

[copper gust]

experience playing and modding the game

[still stone]

I mean I can test, what's the max players allowed on peak

[copper gust]

aside from looking at the code i have user experience in losing a run because the server went down 😛

[gaunt python]

I checked the sources, they're using photon pun

[copper gust]

yeah

but they are using dedicated servers

[gaunt python]

You can call them dedicated servers but they're still using p2p logic where there's no authoritative server logic

[copper gust]

i can call them dedicated servers because they are dedicated servers

you asked why people are paying for photon, they are paying for the servers 😛

if you wanna ask why they want dedicated servers thats a whole other thing but i assume for the most part it's just so the session isn't reliant on one of the clients

[gaunt python]

Photon Pun IS reliant on one of the client, I've just said there's no authoritative server logic 😭

This client is called master client

[copper gust]

It's reliant on the client logically, but not network wise

[still stone]

This is topic worthy at this point, consider making one

In networking ideally

[copper gust]

if the master client drops for whatever reason the session can still be played

[gaunt python]

So long story short you're saying people pay those giant amount of money just for the sake of master client migration?

[copper gust]

And a lot of convenience in developing and prototyping the project, yeah

[gaunt python]

Sounds abstract

[copper gust]

it's a game that for the most part was developed within 2 months and has sold over 10mil copies

i assume they are ok with the expense 😛

[gaunt python]

Who knows

You have to pay monthly for a game that is a one-time purchase

#💻┃unity-talk message

[copper gust]

This is just a vibe with no informed data but I think they probably really value minimizing the protoyping and iteration workflow and that's a cost they are happy to pay. Landfall's bread and butter are these gamejam esque experiences that are super slim on scope and production time

[gaunt python]

Lets do an experiment
How much so you think they charge for running a game that has, for example, 20k players online?

Without googling

Just a raw guess

[copper gust]

I have no idea, I'm not personally experienced with those kind of fees

It's a decision they have made, so my thoughts are kind of working backwards knowing they do have reasons for doing it

[gaunt python]

That's ok just guess

[copper gust]

I'm sure they are aware of the money they are spending

[gaunt python]

What's your guess?

@copper gust

[copper gust]

i dont know dude

[gaunt python]

Yeah, that's the point of guessing 😭

You're not supposed to know to guesss

[limber citrus]

Why is unity's website so unbelievably slow

I was trying out the unity learn thing and the videos take ages to load

Keeps buffering

[still stone]

I mean depends on the provider and other costs. You're looking at between 2k and 10k

[gaunt python]

5.8k per month at min for something you could get for free from steam or epic games p2p for 100$ per lifetime, if you forget about master client migration (which isn't even used in half of the games ig)

So I really doubt master client migration is the only reason

but I can't find anything else

[slow dirge]

What are you talking about? Who's paying 5.8k for p2p??

[gaunt python]

photon pun users whose game has 20k users online

[slow dirge]

Can you actually link the pricing page of photon that explains it? Because it sounds like bs.

[copper gust]

in general 5.8k a month is such little money btw

regardless on if that is accurate

[gaunt python]

ofc https://www.photonengine.com/pun/pricing

[slow dirge]

The plus edition you mean?

[gaunt python]

5.8k dollars per month compared to 100$ per life is such a little money, alr

[copper gust]

5.8k dollars per month compared to their 10mil+ sales this year on a single time is nothing

[gaunt python]

0.29 * 20k = 5.8k

[slow dirge]

"Preminum cloud". What exactly is that though..? What makes you think that you need that for p2p?

[gaunt python]

Do you still not realize those are one time purchases? 😭

[copper gust]

i am very aware

[red moat]

discord's becoming an aggressive place to be everywhere. Arguments all over, and not code logic either

[gaunt python]

btw do they even use master client migration in the game logic? in whatever game you were talking about

[red moat]

Lol, don't you question mark me. You spent the past 15 minutes arguing about spending money that doesn't even belong to any of you 😂

[copper gust]

I believe so yeah

it's a discussion

[gaunt python]

I think Zombienet is just ragebaiting

[gaunt python]

So what game were you talking about?

[copper gust]

PEAK

[red moat]

nah, just reading through. It's hard to determine intent on text.

Some people just sound angry to me I guess idk

[copper gust]

PEAK sold 10mil+ copies at a standard price of like $8USD

that doesn't account for sales so lets knock a whole mil off for good measure

9mil * 8 is 72mil

we'll knock roughly 22mil off that for steams chunk which gets us to 50mil.

6k a month on server fees would be 72k yearly which would be less than 0.2% of their profit

obviously thats super duper rough math and doesn't account for taxes etc. but at that level it's not that much money

[slow dirge]

You don't have to pay photon anything. You can use it as a framework with your own(or possibly steamworks?) relay and/or a server for matchmaking and stuff.

[copper gust]

The discussion was them asking why people pay photon when free p2p solutions exist, the examples provided (eg. PEAK) use photons dedicated servers so the convo pivoted to why they do that

[silent mica]

I don't think this is true

[slow dirge]

Hmm... Looking at the docs, I guess I was thinking about a dedicated server.

[gaunt python]

if you wanna talk specifically about peak then I calculated each month ccu and it's around 100k dollars in sum that they could've saved
But it doesn't actually matter because I still don't see master client migration as a reason to spend THAT much while you could spend 100$ per lifetime of your game

[copper gust]

100k might be worth the migration functionality and prototyping/iteration benefits to them

it might not be a good decision

[gaunt python]

What exactly do you mean by prototyping/iteration benefits

[copper gust]

When prototyping/iterating on a multiplayer game having the code designed in a host mode is easier to quickly test gameplay rather than a server mode

I personally don't know the finer details on that but in general it's tied to efficiency in getting in game

[gaunt python]

well, I've just though and maaaaybee, for Peak it's actually worth it because imagine what a shame it would be to lose all the progress just because the master client left

At the same time you can make saves, I wonder if they even there

My friend and I passed the game in the second try so I didn't notice those details, like if there's master client migration and/or saves

[copper gust]

saves don't exist in PEAK

[gaunt python]

we killed the chat lol

[sly lake]

Per CCU pricing only becomes a problem when your game is free-to-play. You actually have to start blocking certain countries because it's unprofitable to serve them.

For a paid game you could easily have as much as 100 sales per peak CCU, so that's really a non-issue. The fast development and scalability of a hosted solution far outweighs the cost.

[wraith pasture]

right after you make sales and see the profits drop off so it's not worth it anymore because server costs you shut the game down

[tranquil helm]

Help,
Something is wrong with my PC, i am not able to build my unity project,
i tried everything, deleting all unity files in my pc, clean reinstall, changing build settings, disabling antiviruses...
and my build process is always stuck at:
"extracting script serialization layouts"

Even on new and empty projects

and both on Unity 6.2 and 6 LTS

[royal wing]

Are you sure it's actually stuck and not just taking a long time? Supposedly it might be a problem with your antivirus interfering.

[tranquil helm]

actually it was this parasite antivirus called Reason Labs that i never even installed manually

it took me a good effor to find it and remove it from my PC

[chilly mortar]

what you guy think of the state of ai coding in game right now?

[royal wing]

I don't care it kind of sucks

[slow dirge]

#1352599815770341479

[chilly mortar]

thank.

i dont use it so just wanna know how its doin

[wet bronze]

Hey

[charred fog]

Do you have a Unity related question?

[wet bronze]

Yes

Look

[charred fog]

Then post it, no need for hellos

[wet bronze]

Sorry

Do i post ir now

And where

[storm patio]

!ask

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:thinking: Asking Questions

:mag: Search the internet for your question!
:book: Use the API Scripting Reference and User Manual and this troubleshooting site for commonly posted issues.
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:grey_question: And don't ask to ask, ask a full question illustrating with screenshots if needed.

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[storm patio]

ask in the relevant channel with necessary details and context ^

and don't ask to ask , if you ask in the wrong place you'll just be redirected, no hard feelings

[wet bronze]

I think this is the problem anyone help

[slow dirge]

This is not a problem.
This is a photo of a screen that doesn't tell us anything at all.

[wet bronze]

Ok i will give more info

So my unity editor wont install

[craggy pollen]

might be blocked by av or firewall

[wet bronze]

Ow

I ll try uninstalling that

[craggy pollen]

or temporery stop them

[wet bronze]

Yeah

[charred fog]

!install See the troubleshooting checklist.

[vagrant root]

When Unity fails to install checklist

• Make sure you have enough space including on C: drive.
• Check that it's not being blocked by antivirus/security programs.
• Look through the logs for a real reason why the setup fails they are pinned [here](#💻┃unity-talk message).

If you still have issues, perform a clean install in another location:

• Install the Hub and Unity in a non-system drive or a clean new folder in the root of C: drive.
• Failing that use the recovery Refresh option or reinstall OS entirely then repeat the previous step.

[dusty quartz]

Hi all, if I have an object, let's call it ItemEntity, and it needs to take on the texture of the item it contains, should I load that texture in for every new instance of ItemEntity? Surely not? Should I save the textures somewhere, perhaps in another object, and then fetch the texture from there?

[craggy pollen]

i think that is not a big issue if you are onnly doing it once. you could do it either way.

[wet bronze]

Whitch one is it

[storm patio]

https://screenshot.help

[wet bronze]

Ow ok wait

[storm patio]

and that is not the right folder to find logs

[wet bronze]

wait i need help with this

[wet bronze]

is there any right or wrong way to install a editor

alr let's uninstall EVERY unity file on my PC and try again

[vocal niche]

I don’t think so ?

[wet bronze]

if i try installing a version of unity, the editor just says "instalation failed"

[charred fog]

See the logs why it failed #💻┃unity-talk message

link is in the bot message

[dusty quartz]

The items are going to appear several times at once during a game hmm

[wet bronze]

what does my download location have to be for the unity editor

[craggy pollen]

did you read this: #💻┃unity-talk message

[pure igloo]

ideally, on an ssd, along with the language package inside it

you can store the games on a diff drive

[wet bronze]

no like rlly specified

like in my program files in unity...

i meant like my editor not the games

[pure igloo]

just do the default location download

in program files

C:\Program Files\Unity this is mine

C:\Program Files\Unity Hub

[wet bronze]

ow ok i will try if i have enough disc space

[slow dirge]

You should have at least 10-20gb (ideally more) on the C drive.

[wet bronze]

i do

[slow dirge]

Then try installing again and check the logs.

[tall hearth]

why would you be concerned about a 8GB file then?

[wet bronze]

bc i have skill issues

GUYS I TAKE THAT BACK IT'S WORKING

AFTER 2 DAYS AND ALMOST 6 HOURS

[storm patio]

do you have a question/issue? if not perhaps use #🏆┃daily-win or #1180170818983051344 for that

[balmy palm]

Got it.

[bold yarrow]

Oh I LOVE #regions

[wheat mountain]

I'm pretty sure the reason I'm not seeing errors when I should be is related to Unity or Visual Studio are viewing this script as a "miscellaneous file" when it's very much in the project

[unreal jewel]

!ide

[vagrant root]

💡 IDE Configuration

If your IDE is not autocompleting code or underlining errors, please configure it.

Select one:

• Visual Studio (Installed via Unity Hub)
• Visual Studio (Installed manually)
• VS Code
• JetBrains Rider
• :question: Other/None

[unreal jewel]

^ probably something to do with ide configuration

[wheat mountain]

Yes, I know, but I went through this and I don't know what's missing still

[unreal jewel]

try regenerating csproj files?

preferences -> external editor -> regenerate .csproj files iirc

[wheat mountain]

Would it be the regenerate button here? Because, unless clicking on it isn't supposed to do anything, it's not doing anything

[unreal jewel]

yeah it is that button

did you open visual studio through unity? like click on a script without having it launched before? pretty sure that might affect stuff - it's a bit weird sometimes

[wheat mountain]

I tried launching it several times. Each time it's treated as a miscellaneous script

[unreal jewel]

hm weird

i haven't used visual studio myself that much but maybe try this article instead? https://unity.huh.how/ide-configuration/visual-studio

[wheat mountain]

If this is what it's supposed to look like then it's always been this way

[unreal jewel]

do you have the development with unity module installed for visual studio?

[wheat mountain]

If it's this then yes

[random spindle]

Can somebody help me with my Unity, it wont let me do anything after Unity 6, i have upgraded to 6.2 but now i cant change my editor.

[storm patio]

what are you trying to do, and what's going wrong exactly?

[random spindle]

Im trying to fix my Unity as im trying to make a game but now i cant change anything as its apparently missing files

@storm patio

[storm patio]

so you haven't upgraded to unity 6?

have you tried reinstalling the version you were using

[random spindle]

i have but thats when issues started then i downloaded 6.2 and now cant remove 6 or change editor version

[true sequoia]

how can i make 2 side quad?

[storm patio]

downloading the editor is not the same as upgrading a project

[random spindle]

the editor i need has been marked as a security alert

[storm patio]

that's not an issue for now, you can still use it

[random spindle]

i cant use Unity at all at the minute

[storm patio]

have you tried reinstalling the editor

[quiet sundial]

Hi
im looking to put together a serious 2D project, and I need a team... The game's going to be footballbased, and we'll be starting with two main modes: Career Mode (playing) and Manager Mode (managing) we can brainstorm future additions later on. (Where would be the best place to find motivated people for this kind of project?)

[random spindle]

Yes

[random spindle]

I can’t delete Unity 6

[storm patio]

!collab

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[quiet sundial]

ty

[storm patio]

this is not a space for advertisement, use #1180170818983051344 if you want to showcase your project

[rocky nebula]

I haven't been able to get Version Control working. it is not checking everything in. When it did find some to sync it said syncing 9K of about 15K files... currently its missing a lot of folders and files? how do I force it for sync everything.

[karmic mantle]

but is it under the category projekt ?? more like web site

[storm patio]

is it a unity webgl game or something?

or is it a place to download unity games?

[storm patio]

have you been commiting the files?

[rocky nebula]

I found some once to commit, but it doesn't seem to find any more changes

do I commit files individually?

of course, now that I ask for help its working... thanks! hahaha

[storm patio]

ah, caching moment

[karmic mantle]

it is a web site you can join a pass the game challenge

[storm patio]

so you're just advertising

yeah please remove that

[karmic mantle]

okay np

[rotund stone]

what the actual heck is this? Ever since I updated to Unity 6, my inspector is getting completely destroyed, especially during play mode and a bunch of incomprehensible editor errors are showing

[storm patio]

unity 6.2?

[rotund stone]

6000.0.58f2

[storm patio]

oh, hm.

does it persist after restart, and have you tried resetting the library?

[rotund stone]

after restart it goes fine for like an instant but it represents itself almost immediately

and what do you mean by resetting the library?

[storm patio]

close the project, delete the Library folder in the project root, and reopen the project to let the library rebuild

it'll take a bit longer than normal to open

[rotund stone]

I'll try and get back to you

but iirc I did do that a few weeks ago for an unrelated issue

this upgrade to a new version was more of a downgrade, I don't know if that's the general sentiment

issues which are absolutely not my fault are popping up constantly

[sweet charm]

I just updated to 6.2.8 and it's gone

[rotund stone]

did you have that issue as well?

[sweet charm]

We all had with older versions

[rotund stone]

I see

I'll update too then

ok so I deleted Library and for now the issue seems to be gone

I'll update if it happens again I guess

thank you for the help!

[stable sky]

What is this effect and how can I remove it?

[pseudo flare]

That looks like ambient occlusion being overly intense by default. You can tune/remove it in your Universal Renderer Data

[rotund stone]

I'm sorry, where did you find this version again? It's not showing up in unity hub and I would like to be sure that I'm downloading the correct thing

(the issue happened again)

(lmao)

[viral hill]

SSAO

[pale coyote]

I'm gonna make a fnaf fan game for the game jam lol

[rotund stone]

@sweet charm is it this?

because this is not LTS, I really don't know if I should go for an LTS one or not

[glass kraken]

hello,when I build my game and try to play it, there's either an image or text appearing with the name of an asset I'm using after the unity start menu, how could I delete it or find it?

[sweet charm]

The lastest is 6.2.9, I guess they both work

[rotund stone]

if you're not having any problems with 8 I'll download 8

not taking chances

is it fine that it's f1 and not f2 btw? And non LTS too

[storm patio]

you should download from the hub

[rotund stone]

yes it's doing it from the hub

[storm patio]

that is not from the hub

[rotund stone]

I clicked on install and it automatically opened the hub

and it's doing the stuff on the hub

[storm patio]

huh, thought that was separate.

[rotund stone]

I just don't get which is better between LTS and non LTS

[storm patio]

one isn't "better", they're for different things

[rotund stone]

this is non LTS but I'll gladly take it if the alternative is my inspector exploding

[storm patio]

LTS is long term support, it's usually more stable

[rotund stone]

yeah usually being the key word here

[storm patio]

yeah

[rotund stone]

unity and the adjective stable are not really meant for the same sentence

[storm patio]

did you try latest lts though

[true sequoia]

how to fix this quad only show one side? i want it to be both side

[rotund stone]

this was the latest when I installed it almost a month ago

[storm patio]

yeah it isn't anymore though...

[rotund stone]

I'm installing the 8, if I don't have any problems with that then I'll stick with it

[reef furnace]

anybody else having issues with unity UI?

my unity is tweaking which channel should i use to help fix my issue?

[sly lake]

Let me guess, you’re on 6.2 and the inspector is broken?

[reef furnace]

unity was working fine till i open it once and UI broke

[reef furnace]

yes inspector goes black

when i hover over different areas if u get what i mean

i tried reinstalling

now i get this

[reef furnace]

having the same issue?

[sly lake]

No, but someone comes in here asking about it around twice a day lately 😅

I’m on 6.0 which is the usual amount of broken.

[reef furnace]

even the hub has some weird UI glitches

[quiet sundial]

yo guys how to cut this atlas to sprites

[storm patio]

seems like smart slicing could work for that

[quiet sundial]

and you know what I would have to do to make it all work?

[storm patio]

you click the auto slice button?

or something along those lines

set the texture type to multiple and then open the sprite editor

please don't ping random people

[near wigeon]

tf is this

unless youre in an active convo with them don't randomly tag people

#📖┃code-of-conduct

does not matter

this is irrelevant to Unity questions

[storm patio]

this is not a social space

[random spindle]

@storm patio downloaded a new unity editor and nothing is working still

[random spindle]

is this a Unity issue or is it something i did wrong because it only started after Unity 6

[reef furnace]

same

@random spindle

[random spindle]

im trying to do RRS but Unity 6 wont work

[reef furnace]

when i hover over areas they go black

[near wigeon]

update gpu drivers

[random spindle]

i just cant open anything or run RRS

[random spindle]

i wasted more than 20+GB on this Unity 6 issue

[random spindle]

@reef furnace

[reef furnace]

wht problems r u gettin?

[near wigeon]

that was a reply to someone else

[random spindle]

Unity not working and i just wasted all my storage

[reef furnace]

i think that wht broke it

[random spindle]

my bad, i misclicked on wrong message.

[near wigeon]

so remove it and stop your complaining

[reef furnace]

i installed 6.0 and it works

[random spindle]

does not for me

[woeful spear]

What does these numbers in ( ) mean? Eg., TheColor(4)

[random spindle]

and i downloaded 6.2 aswell

[near wigeon]

Color4 usually includes all 4 channels

R,G,B,A

[clear trail]

I want to support the development of a bullethell (danmaku) game

I am 3d 2d artist

[near wigeon]

!collab

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[azure vortex]

Hi guys, i'm new here. I want to build my vr glasses with my phone. How can i do to program a basic game in unity and install it to my phone (android) so i can play like a vr set?

[clear trail]

Bro, next time use another emoji, I was waiting like a fool.

[near wigeon]

!learn

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[near wigeon]

what emoji? the bot put that there.. read the consequent message

[clear trail]

Check you comment

Either way, I want to support

[near wigeon]

this server is for Unity editor questions

[clear trail]

I want to give away my ideas, they are nothing out of this world, but it is quite easy for people here to make a game like this and quickly (with the proper promotion) start to gain visibility.

[near wigeon]

ideas don't put food on the table. Anyway this isn't the palce, I linked you to the place

[clear trail]

"unity talk" I thought a group chat

[near wigeon]

no its not a social space, this is for Unity Editor topics

if you want to seek collaborators you can do so here #💻┃unity-talk message

or joining the jam #1429766624403132416

[clear trail]

Hooo, But that's outside of Discord, that's how I don't like it, well I'm going to Reddit.

Thanks x all

[azure vortex]

you're totally right, same

[clear trail]

Now I don't want to leave, I'll keep talking.

[near wigeon]

take it to DMs or stop spamming the chat

[clear trail]

I ༺ཊ♥ཧ༻unity

[clear trail]

OK 🙏

[random barn]

WHat the freak is this security thing in unity and what versions can i actully use

[near wigeon]

use whatever version you want its no big deal

https://discussions.unity.com/t/unity-platform-protection-take-immediate-action-to-protect-your-games-and-apps/1688031

If you have something in the works keep using the version that works and patch the binary after

[random barn]

Okay thanks

Just wanted to make sure hahaha

I have a big update coming out on a game i am working on lol#

[near wigeon]

its blown a bit out of proportion but good to take measures and be aware

[random barn]

What would you say is the best version to make a game on excluding this security issue

[near wigeon]

6.0 LTS

[wet bronze]

how do i load my vr game on my quest

[clear trail]

Do you work here? I need to know if unity serves as a replacement for blender3d for sculpting and animating.

[wet bronze]

it doesnt