#π -general
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get asteroid to moon and mine it
Or mine on the moon directly
its how it always goes
unless we reach socialism fast enough 
mmmm, capitalism, my favorite thing in the U.S. that has definitely, vastly improved my life via having the top 1% control my life π
We don't need more 'murica moments
Mining for helium 3 for fusion. There are resources on the moon.
idea: kill all the capita-
Or imperialism from Britain?
And others*
@tough marsh can i recommend you a fictional book about hypercapitalism on the moon?
its really good
Or any imperialism from anyone
You can, but I won't read it as I don't like reading books
Yes
he be thinking
you should try it
You WHAT
Stillβ¦ the resource potential would be enormous and we donβt need to dig out another mine
i don't see any problems
My goodness the amount of people talking.
Then build fusion reactors on the moon and keep them power the mining and colonies
||Don't kill me if I'm saying total nonsense||
Gone from earth to space
before anyone thinks I'm an imbecile for that statement, I do technically read, just not actual books: Like this! https://doc.rust-lang.org/book/
You need deuterium. O c e a n. W a t e r
I hate it when people watch a movie that was originally a book and have never even heard of the book version. It's so infuriating.
lunar poles.
bruh let people live, some people just don't like to read books, and some people don't like to watch movies
I can assure you, I'd rather the movie doing the work for me, reading is effort and requires imagination that I don't like putting effort into smh
are audio books an option?
That could work. Idk it would contain it though. Purified water might not do.
i don't really enjoy reading or movies
Yes but the book is usually better
that's a lot of words with lack of epicc visuals, and no, a book with pictures is not any better smh
Fair
Idk where contain deuterium but water from natural sources I heard gives a good amount.
audio?
not pictures
"better" isn't a fact it's a concept, i can like the movie and think the book is shitty
Personal preferences
so you can listen to it when going to sleep or just being lazy
let me rephrase that since I just realized my message doesn't sound right, I meant that listening is still not great without the visuals, then I was just stating that even if you gave a book with pictures, I'm not interested in that either
Yes but good writing π₯Ί
Idk if that's the right emoji
Deuterium is found on the Moon in three forms: in lunar ice, in water trapped in the lunar soil, and in hydrogen trapped in the lunar soil from the solar wind
Idk how much this is correct
Source? Just check it
like someone can preffer the harry potter movies, and someone else can preffer the harry actor potter dancing to she'll be driving six white horses (don't google that, and if you do, don't ask me why i did it)
and its fine
If that is true, then yea⦠lunar mines. Gotta get dem 1000T reactors to the moon.
Aye guys today's my bday
well i dont think that book would make any sense to make a movie out of, you just listen and then your head does all the imagination yourself, and even if your brain is not wired like that (like mine) and there is no mental cinema its still soooo good
April 22nd
happy birthday!
Nice
you should give it a try imo
Yeah I guess that would be sound.
congarts, happy birthday
Happy birthday!
I'mma change my name rq
π₯³
I can't decide what to get should I get the last of use or red dead redemption 2
hmmm, okee doke, I guess you can recommend the book and maybe in the future when I feel like I don't have to focus on work all the time to pay for bills and food, then maybe I'll read it
Because both have great story telling
you don't have to pay for food, and if you don't you'll never have to work or pay taxes!
And are unique in their own right
lmfao
Anyways is there a bot that deletes text walls?
There is
I mean, there's quite a few bots that can detect spam, AutoMod (discord's built-in moderation), can be used to prevent some spam. specific bots though- uuuh, perhaps AutoModerator from https://automoderator.app
there you go: Luna: New Moon:
Audiobook: https://www.audible.com/pd/Luna-Audiobook/B015TU0SWA
Real book: https://www.amazon.de/Luna-New-Moon-Ian-McDonald/dp/0765375524 (German Amazon i know, or get it somewhere else instead)
Check out this great listen on Audible.com. The scions of a falling house must navigate a world of corporate warfare to maintain their family's status in the moon's vicious political atmosphere. The moon wants to kill you - whether it's being unable to pay your per diem for your allotted food, wa...
bruh i read audlible.corn
No like just text walls because I want to send some song lyrics
Didn't played both both so idk
yes, mods officially posting scam links
im famous for that
Pretty sure there are limitations
oh, you meant is there a bot here that will detect your message text wall? yeah.
Not sure what's the limit
happy birthday to yo- [jailed 4 copyright infringment]
Shame on the mods for scamming their loving memebers
also i would honestly love to gift it if you want
But will it delete it?
too me good books are just the best gift possible
Yes, and you will be muted
For an hour
Already experienced it like 3 times
Damn it i had the lyrics for xue hua piao piao ready
I'd feel bad considering I may not read it for a long time or might even forget its existence
@sterile rivet can you give me a fact about the solar system?
in any case you would find it again sometime in the future and then maybe read it
worth a try imo
Conversation stages:
- Hydro is just solar
- Nuclear is clean
- Nuclear is not clean
- Asteroid mining
- Moon base
- Capitalist Moon base
- Happy birthday Fac-, i mean whats his og name, wtf DUMBA- {cancelled for offending}
- Books, are they shitty?
of course
Wait people were talking about clean energy and I missed that fuck
yeah
yes, you are not allowed to go offline
hmmmm, perhaps I will
Hah I on do not disturb even tho I want to be disturbed
@sterile rivet you good? You've been gone for a while now
just add it to your amazon wishlist (or whatever else you want to use) and dm me the link
You want a fact?
also i think just having book around even when not reading them all the time is a great mindset thing
sure
It doesn't matter if you are Asian or African or American or normal because at the end of the day its night
not true
Did you know there technically is a sun year?
Canada has 24 hours sun in the summer
its actually twilight
And on poles there is day or night for half a year
What do you mean mean?
The sun orbits a point in space, so it has a year
a sun year is about 12 earth years long
and that space is the solar systems' barycenter
you see
What is a barycenter does that mean that the sun isn't the perfect middle of the solar system?
When we say two objects orbit it each other,
they're actually orbiting their common center of mass,
while generally it's iniside the bigger object so we don't notice,
it can be quite noticible in other examples as i pass.
As you see in this example, the barycenter's far away;
that also happens to the sun today;
because the planets have mass
And while they all 8 constantly pull into sun
the most influential is the biggest one,
that's jupiter
and as it pulls the sun its gravity
make a small orbit let's say
so the bary centers a million kilometers away
from the sun (literally)
so as jupiter pulls it
it rotates around it every time jupiter spins
so thats about 12 years it is
A
SUN
YEARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
So yes, its about 1.07 million km away from the center of the solar system
Sick thanks for the cool fact
you're welcome
Oh btw the barycenter is the common center of mass that two or more objects orbit
4 example here's the earth/moon barycenter
I think i saw a kurzgesact video on not exactly this but they did touch on it
why were you seing kurzge's sack?
Typo
Sure, if you're above the artic circle
Most don't live that far north though
There's a dude in my school named
i kid you not
Long Junior
which not only means his name is Long Junior, but one of his paren'ts name
is Long
Maybe it is a name in the Bislama language, where "long" is a very common word.
The Deep Sea event was really easy... I beat it in the first day and it was the first event I've ever beat.
It was only the second event that I have tried since starting to play this game a few days ago. I caught the tail-end of the previous event with the fungi, and managed to unlock the first of the three trophies for it. For the
Deep Sea event I was there from the start, and completed the whole thing in about 3 hours.
Lunar eclipse π₯Ά
where is the upwelling trophy node
Have you been to the bottom, and then been back up? Hey, what's going on?
nothing around here
Nope, gotta head back up again now. π
The clue is in the name ... "upwelling".
For those whose interested
i just gotta unlock briny death traps
why are there no codes for ios
jupiter isnt that big
I don't think the size was the point of that photo
oh ok

why is beyond so hard bruh
Similarly, the orbits wouldn't be the point of that picture either, obviously, or there wouldn't be such a lot of congestion. π
if that photo was real, our solar system would be potato
FINALLY universe 12
4 days
comet hale bopp bruh
What to do next after linking my c2s account
Hey I'm new to this discord but I play cell to singularity for like 2 years 3 years now I want to know if there's any updates for beyond there's any news or anything I completed the whole game and I'll be waiting for a lot of time
Here
As far as I know, there are at least two teams and one focus on events (Team LOLA) and the other one probably focus on civ tree for now
Thank you
I just thought they just forget about beyond totally
Beyond and the main was one of the best parts of the game I played
It was their last big update, pretty unlikely to forget about that
Did you finished meso too?
Not saying that is good, just asking
@vapid mauve Your beloved more metabits upgrades are here too
Oh well, then you still have a long way to go
512 ranks left 
Wow
Wow I thought I finished the game
For the simulation engine
I thought that because there's not more dinosaurs right there's like four or five more dinosaurs
That's true that you unlock new things in primary till rank 38 but meso continues till rank 50 and then the best happen
Prestige
You lose your all common cards for an epic card that gives you 50% boost
WOW
And start from rank 1 again
I would feel like I would be scammed
Actually, it's pretty good trade
But you should save mutagen if you plan on finishing meso
So it's the best way to finish mesazowc vally fast
Only like 2M tho
I have 106, 000 now
To finish meso fast, you should probably not save mutagen
But if you wanna all achievements, then save it
From the beginning of the game I was only saving them lol
Yeah I noticed they added a new achievements
I unlocked all of them
Before
Yooo why I started over and now I'm looking for planets and stars
It is actually quite fun game I've been playing it now for years and have a lot of memories with it
It's a part of the game
Yes
Iam from LY
It's beyond is going to stay scientifically strict or can we get like some theories and some bizarre planets and systems
I would be cool to see some theoretical celestial objects
Yehh
For a second when I was playing the game I thought the game would be infinite but then remembered when infinity goes with physics physics starts falling apart
Nah
An hour an hour and 20 minutes of gameplay and you would actually get it
hmm?
Yeh
I don't have that much time
I mean if you're fast enough you can make it short as 30 or 40 minutes
It just depends on how fast you can be
I'm just asking if someone could show me the giant squid
I know
I'm not trying to complete it in one go.
But wouldn't that spoil the fun
I don't really lost motivation from spoilers
Oh
but knowing that I miss something would.
Come on curiosity and mystery what drives humanity forward
I am curious now
I know your feelings
Yeh
I see your point but I still wanna see it anyways
You remind me of myself a while ago
Okay 
What rank are you on π¦
me?
Yeh
I completed the whole game except for the Mezoec iam 38
I completed it
I was more interested in beyond
Why is there old in paleontologist role
Nah just saying how long have you been playing that game
Probably it would mean that you had it for a while
Yeh
ah
I am on rank 8
What to do after connecting my account to bot
Since when your guys just started playing the game
π
I'm old 
How years old
@wise trail
@wise trail I have 2 weeks
Last year
A
@frigid bluff
I used
I'm 2 years and half
damn
Yeah
Long
I love dinosaurs I love dinosaurs a lot but the mrsoic valley didn't have that punch I guess you would call it
That's why I didn't play much
Yes
I think it's an interesting that we are planning to be an enter planetary species while we only discovered around 10 15% of our oceans
I guess the number is rising and your discovering more everyday but the depths sometimes are just unreachable
don't worry when AI is fully developed technology will take a huge step forward.
In engineering I believe they've been using AI since 2009
But if overall they try to stop it I development for 6 months I guess

Because they are scared of AI
What does it mean
Oh i get it
But yeah aI development is getting interestingly faster by every month which is what to be expected
yes
School should count their days
If they don't make a technology to protect the students from AI then the education system might fall.
I wouldn't say fall but I would say less monitored and controlled
An AI might be a double-edged sword it will bring a lot of advancement to education systems as interactive education and everything but also it might have be used as a a way to cheat
Politicians
Jk
Anyways they have to do something about it
For the main role that would be slightly bit harder as even creating an AI to figure out which essay is written by another AI would create some confusion
A school that isolates students.
from the outside
it's cruel
But effective
That would be like 1940s Germany
π
I'd say a COTE like school
if you know what anime that is
Class of the elite???
yea
You know I kind of proud that I figure that out

just keep it monitored with that kind of system
A exclusive currency used inside the school
I don't know really
But ai will bring and open New horizons for humanity
The fact that there is a good chance that AI will outlive humanity if a disaster struck the earth or just struck humanity in general
From the human's perspective from the AI perspective it just doing it it's job
but would you still risk it if there's a very slight chance of evil being in the majority
To be honest I never understood the evil ai turning on humans I can understand the misuse of a ai
Yeah some of them ask how to initiate terrorist attacks
The fact that ai in this state can can get like jailbreaked or bypass its own TOs means that they are not as much of a threat as we thought them to be
I like how people are trying to reach to the limits of an AI and how smart you can get but also you have to put in mind that we might also in the process reach to the limits of our own mind and once that happened an AI will only continue and we will fall behind
yoo
I relate somehow
I was trying to test an AI how smart it is
But again aI in this current state is nothing more than tool
To make funny videos of presidents playing Minecraft videos on YouTube lol
Hey
hi
Oh hey, have you ever read about Araucaria columnaris
I hate the fact that my time zone is opposite to everyone elses
No, i've really only heard about aracaiana(?), since that's the main one in my cuntry
idk about that species tho
Right, the one in Parana is it?
yeah
Yeah that's a rather threatened one
Santa Catarina too i think
Yea the forest is 5% of the original one
all of our costal forests have been fucking devestated
Atlantic forest, yeah
Anyway, I told you about that species coz it's possible for a cool plant fact
What?
Araucaria columnaris seems to lean towards the equator
As in the trees lean
Did you know that a species called paris japonic has about 140 billion letters in it's genome
Wha
50x times the human genomes length
Ohh?
if you replaced all your genome with its, and stretch it all from all your cells, its 500 two-way trips to pluto
Whaaa
That's
Now as for my mood/life... I'm kind of deep into astronomy rn
But rn I'm kind of thinking about the "Chromista" part of my tech tree entry
wdym with tech tree entry
My plant contest entry has the generator (blue) Chromista. But now I'm having some doubts about Chromista
oh
I tend to prefer what we call monophyletic taxa
For anyone who wants to know, basically monophyletic means it contains all the descendants of a single common ancestor
Btw can you give feedback on this: https://coggle.it/diagram/ZDxPLSHgHRe8yRMc/t/c2s
I will need some time to look at it and depending on my energy, research
No comment
Can't think
Does it include hypothetical/theoretical solutions, such as perpetual motion engines? 
There Are 4 Stages to the fan tree:
- The Rise Of Fossil Fuels
- The Problem
- Reinventing Energy
- A Better Tommorow
rn im working on reinventing energy
Also, I found a typo in it.
so theoretical solutions and future sources comes later
thanks
Perpetual motion.... I'd disagree with seriously including it except a few traits (as of April 2023)
Too theoretical
god i havent used coggle in a while
no node here?
this would make a really big and interesting event tho
I agree
Hmm, but factories on Mars isn't too far fetched, huh? π
Working on it
There are enough videos debunking perpetual motion
I don't see any evidence supporting the existence of factories on Mars, either. However, as a theory it is possible they may exist in the future. Is it not also possible that some enterprising human might overcome the current known obstacles to creating a true perpetual motion engine?
What I mean is, C2S already mixes pure scientific fact with some science fiction. Where do we draw the line?
Well, I might be thinking about the second law of thermodynamics
But hmm
We can still explore it somehow
I'm not saying to shut it off
just learned that Uranium is 700x more abundant than gold
and 37x more than silver
who really cares about useless percentages tbh
me
useless percentages are useless
Yes, I would expect to see the second law of thermodynamics represented as a prerequisite to perpetual motion engines.
and also THE EARTH IS DYING, IF WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THE PERCENTAGE EVERYTHING WILL DIE IN 2090
still more usefull than playing bab- {cancelled}
I need a meme image of an auto-clicker robotic arm (powered by a steam turbine and sprocket gears) tapping madly on a modern-day smartphone, with one of those annoying Quantum Charge golden pterosaurs
stuck and clogging up the gears!
Whats up everybody its my birthday today
Happy birthday to you.
Im getting the last of us and the whole collection of spy x family
Nice!
Happy berbay m8!!!
Thanks
How exactly does the smart upgrade option work?
Smart is very cool. It seems to determine what your next goal should be. For example if you have 183 of a certain Generator, it will calculate how much another 7 of them will cost to get to a nice round multiple of 10. However, if you are looking at a Generator which is low down on the tree, and if you can afford it, then it may suggest a larger upgrade, perhaps another 67 of them in one hit, to get that Generator up to 250 straight away.
I've only just started playing
C2S recently, but that is what I have observed. I may be wrong on this.
czech
Whassu0
Bro this is fire but i dont think devs wanna do controversial things
While playing C2S today, I watched an advert for Annihilation - Space Tycoon, and thought it resembled C2S, to the point of possibly using the same codebase. Is this a clone of C2S? Is C2S itself a clone of something else? I'm confused. π€·
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.playesta.annihilation
Truely a
https://youtu.be/JW50-YruRuA
Moment
Coming back with useful phrases to know in Polish. Hope you learn something from it and impress your friends - or confuse hotel staff, I dunno.
Such a moving video
Maybe i'll be online when chat explodes
Hey
The only thing that's similar is upgrade screen for generators (I can be wrong because i just looked at the screenshot from play store)
CTS is about evolution while this game focus on space
Overall, idle/clicker game are similar to each other, and the only way to success for them is a interesting topic or unique mechanics
I just checked on the release dates for each, and CTS is definitely older. It seems that Annihilation may have borrowed some of the CTS codebase then. It can't just be a coincidence. Maybe there is a game engine that both games use?
Hmm, maybe annihilation was done in Unity too?
Yeah, I just found one called Adventure Capitalist, which also looks to be using the same engine, and also seems very similar to CTS in interface, but again it is about a different theme/topic.
My goal in life now is to befriend a polish person and randomly say this to confuse them, only to deny I ever said this
Yep, there seem to be quite a few of these idle/clicker games that use the same back-end mechanic, but are about different themes/topics. I'm quite satisfied with playing
CTS for now, as I am learning interesting stuff while I'm playing. If I were to switch to a similar game with the same back-end, using the same gamer skill set, but which was all about making pizza or running a theme park, it just wouldn't hold my attention for as long as
CTS has.
I actually played that game before discovering c2s, it definitely has no affiliation
Yep, I am just ultra-aware of clones and ripped-off games, from a past experience with another (very different) idle game that I used to play. This is completely different to that previous situation though, as here there is a game engine (Unity) at the back-end, so it is only natural that there will be many games with a similar "feel" to them. The situation that I had encountered previously was more of a direct rip-off of someone else's unique codebase.
Now that I think abt it, it could be about SAR/Harosa group too
so uhhh
how do i
link my account,,
with what
with the game,,
i used tge instructions but it told me that i cant
do that anymore here and to use the
oauth method?
so u linked email and u want to link with discord?
I'm new here myself, and haven't linked yet for use of @frigid bluff
in the #π-semblance channel, but I presume that this is what you're talking about too, right? Personally, I'm holding off on doing that for now, as I understand that the Dev team here are working on redoing the linking system between
Discord and
CTS. I'm sure they will announce when the new system is stable and ready for use.
oooooohhhhh okay!
thank you friend!!
Again, don't trust a word that I say, as I am only new around here myself, and I may be wrong on this. It is just my present understanding though, and if anyone here can point me to a better understanding I'll be more than happy to change my mind. π§
frittro is right, Devs, (more precisely SirH) are working on new type of linking, instead of using slash command, you will need to use oauth which is easier. This feature is already in beta so it's only a matter of time before it will be available in full version
I hear discussion about my work? π
I really need to write up an explanation somewhere
Maybe in #π-semblance? Since it's related to the bot
yeah, but may also add it somewhere else later
I followed Polish Dude's instructions for using the slash commands, after all that, and got it working fine as is. Will I need to change to oauth as well once that change gets rolled out?
well, the slash command for linking is literally useless
like- technically it'll link with the super old linking method, but will do nothing
Okay, so either I need to get the beta, or just be patient. I can be patient, no probs.
if you're able to access the beta, go ahead, if not, patience is the only way considering the new roles can only be obtained through oauth.
Does the beta use the same savegame, or would I be starting again from scratch?
same, however, considering it's the beta, I would always recommend to backup your save with Game Transfer to be safe beforehand
Yep, thanks. I might just take a look at it then. All good.
I'd actually recommend always using Game Transfer considering saves can tend to be volatile

Thanks @tough marsh and @deft spire, I have now applied to join the Beta, so that I can at least send my progress updates to the #π-semblance channel from in-game. I understand that there is a lot more to the Beta than just that one functionality, so it will be interesting to see what else you have in there for us.
When will the a MilkyWay expansion come out?
O
soon
How soon is soon?π
they said this year!
I was one of the first users when I saw this at PaxEast in 2019.
They can do a microbiology chain too. I offered to consult.
what's PaxEast though?
Itβs a video game convention in Boston, Ma
I've been asking for microbiology!!
maybe they'll add it after civ 2 and the beyond expansion though
Iβm a microbiologist and molecular microbiologist. Lots of experience
Yes. I do contract work at hospitals.
Iβve worked on Abbott, Cephid, BioMΓ©rieux and BD products
ok, I'll believe you,
NGS and molecular testing is the wave of the future
No. Medical technologist in Microbiology. Iβve done golden rule testing up to molecular
ohh
Research doesnβt pay well. Contract and corporate pays the best.
that's what I heard..
Unless youβre a senior development
Clinical pays the least though we are the most important
interesting to meat you, especially since i want to pursue microbiology
Pharmaceutical microbiology is the best paying.
but idk if that'll pay well in India π₯²
thats what I heard!
Come to the USA. With a PhD, youβll can be a medical liaison and make bank from home
Is it safe tho? I'm an Indian girl, and not physically strong..
Look to internships with Abbott, Thermo Fisher, Roche, BioMΓ©rieux, Phizer, Merck, etc
also I'm a loong way from a PhD π
USA is safe. Stay away from liberal cities.
you're American I'm guessing?
?
HOHOH NOT CHICAGO
But those are the bad areas. We arenβt as bad as the news makes us out to be
ok but consider: Florida?
You can come to the USA and finish your masters or PhD too. Lots of big companies will take in interns and you can work your way up
Florida is very nice. Too hot for me. I prefer the mountains.
hmmm ok
I never really considered moving to the US due to the uhh
events with the racist orange
but I'll consider it
I'm living in Turkey
Like is said, we arenβt as bad as the news makes it out to be. We have a shitty president installed but things were way better under Trump
on?
Ebby are you surviving on turkey meat and only turkey meat?
in?
OH IN
Yes lol
India is beautiful though. I love the food. The spices are amazing.
No, Turkey have two names, an Bird name and an Country name. I'm living in Turkey Country
and I also heard of the companies paying good
thanks ^^
They do. Sales pays good but they only care about money. Itβs frustrating. I prefer to consult and do contract work
Yes. If you speak other languages, that a huge bonus too.
That means, you can go global and thatβs fun. You fly around the world consulting
*speak
SpeakA*
balancing this convo with my physics HW π₯²
Do your homework. π€ͺ. Donβt let me keep you from that.
done π© 
since you're probably grinding Idea currency (and dollar currency) irl Ima play minecraft :>
plans changed it's roblox
Especially the south and the extreme north (Kashmir)
Captured the sunken semblance robot through the squid
also what is C2S lore exactly
we know that it's a simulation but where does the semblance come from for example
us
Biomass isnt clean right?
for energy generation?
yeah
its clean in the same way that e-fuels are
but it make co2
i don't
but in therms of legislation and advertisement they are usually considered such
actually it depends
wdym?
but you could say it absorbs co2
you could say so i guessd
like the trees that make charcoal store a lot of co2 in the soil
the point is that the co2 they emit is collected from the air before so its net 0
but in that case just catch the co2 and keep it instead of burning it again so i dont consider it clean
yes but there's also the fact that that land could be for agiculture
hmm?
i mean if you have a sugar cane farm to produce bioethanol or a soy farm to produce biodiesel that land could be used to produce food
sorry planting 4 biomass is agriculture
and also even if you take out all of the co2 in production the amount that it releases is greater than whats absorbed
two bad arguments, dont use them imo or you are basically making arguments for the other side if they debunk them
why are they bad
Whatβs going on here?
first of all there is no real wordwide food shortage - just the distribution is wrong, europeans using some of their food to make biofuels insnt going to starve anyone cause that food would never reach Africa anyway, so that is not a good arguement
That is true^
secondly its totally possible to make it really CO2 neutral, and whoever you are arguing about this with will advocate from a position where this is done
no excess CO2 production there
For the co2 production, that is doubtful but possible. Many sectors of industry and production requires things like oil. Or things like airtravel requires things like jets for long range and timely travel. But most sectors could be easily electrified or have their co2 reduced to a point of nothingness. Itβs just stupidly hard for some.
yes, but CO2 neutrality becomes easily possible if those companies producing them overcompensate, something they will also offer
Overcompensates? Huhβ¦.
"Competition for arable lands required for food and fiber production is the major issue concerning biomass production." - Judy L. Trimble, Robert I. Van Hook, A. Gray Folger.
"The world needs to close a 70 percent βfood gapβ between crop calories available in 2006 and those needed in 2050. If crop-based biofuels were phased out by 2050, the food gap would shrink to 60 percent. But more ambitious biofuel targetsβcurrently being pursued by large economiesβcould increase the gap to about 90 percent." - World Resources Institute
It is a real problem, and I'm not specifying any continets.
Is this an argument war? A debate?
By the way there is no worldwide foos shortage but hunger is a real thing, and if there is less space to plant, food is more expensive.
"Sustainable Development Goal 2 is about creating a world free of hunger by 2030. In 2020, between 720 million and 811 million persons worldwide were suffering from hunger, roughly 161 million more than in 2019. Also in 2020, a staggering 2.4 billion people, or above 30 per cent of the worldβs population, were moderately or severely food-insecure, lacking regular access to adequate food." - United Nations Organization
i have to eat now, will ping you later if you want to keep the discussion going
seems like its going to be interesting
ok
Tune in next time lmao!
So to address this first one: "we need a lot more food in 2050 to feed a lot more people then in 2006" is not an argument because just as i said before there is no worldwide food shortage
and your second argument doesnt adress that at all as the food produced for example in Europe is basically free compared to the cost of logistics and distribution of that food, and just saying "people are hungry somewhere else" doesnt address that at all
But biofuels do make food prices go up and that is a fact
yes, but that barely affects those people actually living in food insecurity as they are far away and logistics are the largest share of the price of the food they buy, so dont try to make that argument pls, you should instead try to argue that it drives up even for local populations (which is also a much stronger percieved moral argument for many people)
as i said before, im not arguing for biofuels, im arguing against bad arguments used to fight them cause that makes the other side look stronger when defending them
just use good arguments - make sure that they are accurate and also meaningful in the perception of those that you argue towards
When energy event
Look, as more of the land is used to fuel the biofuel industry, the price of food based on those products go up, not only on a national or local level, but on international levels too, which makes food prices rise in the whole world, even if in small quantities.
Another argument that just doesnt work: The pro-biofuel side advertises with being able to support for example sustainable supply chains with their technology, allowing people to keep their standard of living. You telling someone food prices might go up "in small quantities" just doesnt do the job. Do you see my point?
You have to provide good alternatives with your argument and also do at least one of the following: make sure to show them how it directly impacts their lives and/or make a moral argument with a heavy perceived weight to the people you are arguing towards.
What if hear me out
I get a custom role for being the fact guy
Sorry was eating
Just an idea
Look, I'm gonna stop the argument, you won't convince me, because most sources i read (10 I think plus chatGPT) say that in most cases, biomass energy does relate to increased food prices and somewhat an increase on food insecurity. Seeing as I won't change your mind either, I will stop the debate, nevertheless I would still like to see your sources.
i think you are just straight up totally missing my point
because only at one minor point was i arguing what you are saying being untrue
everything else were optical arguments
where i said that it just doesnt work well in debates regardless of if you are right or not
being right on its own doesnt win debates
@sterile rivet do you get my point now?
"Affirming the consequent" is a formal fallacy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
In propositional logic, affirming the consequent, sometimes called converse error, fallacy of the converse, or confusion of necessity and sufficiency, is a formal fallacy of taking a true conditional statement (e.g., "if the lamp were broken, then the room would be dark"), and invalidly inferring its converse ("the room is dark, so the lamp must...
and for a source you can look for literally any advice on the art of debating or just watch any famous debaters. Jordan Peterson for example is usually pretty horribly wrong with what he is saying and the points he is trying to prove, but he is very very good at making his bad arguments and untrue statements sound reasonable and important
Oof⦠this just turned messy
wdym?
The debate just gone stale and no one changed each others mindsβ¦
guys, what the hell
Um⦠did you guys pissed off sirH?
hmm?
What?
the argument seems to have gotten quite heated over some stupid shit
no, no heat invoved
I mean you do burn biofuels
in primary sim, after reaching felieform and martian city, is there anything else to go for? i have nothing else left to buy with bits either?
What is the best way to speed up in those simulations
Because it's stating to get long and boring
got another bot
typical day in c2s discord
?????? yellow ???????
The one came in new update
What aree they called
Its like shop
What does the timer mean?
How long you spent specifically on that sim.
What happened here
debate about 0 carbon emissions and biofuel stealing from the foodsupply
Wow, they did a debate on that?
I dont have the brain cells to do that
yeah...
ohhh logits
Oh thanks.
There is none
Diamond geode on rank 50 in meso and supergiant star each 5 ranks in beyond
π
I used to know, but I have forgotten.
do you mean for the purple cubes?
Nope, he meant logits
#π -general message
No
oh 
Google will serve you well
I think It's the memory loss?
ok thanks
I have dementia
Do you know who else has dementia?
people with dementia also have dementia
I have dementia
I have a problem in #1008130971201191987 , I CAN'T TYPE THE NEXT NUMBER
I can't type 72901
@indigo nexus got muted and 8 numbers got deleted by bot
Yep, i can ping you there if you want
Is there a channel in this server for game requests?
Use /suggest command to suggest things in #π‘-suggestions
And use the suggest command in #π-semblance
Why wonβt it let me type in #π‘-suggestions?
Oh hell no you did not just say that π
hello there
?
To suggest anything in #π‘-suggestions, use slash command /suggest in #π-semblance channel using @frigid bluff bot
Can you suggest new species there?
Yes
Ah ok
π
Why you not Censored it?
Censor it!
Hi
Apparently I mustβve sent my suggestion twice? Is there a way to delete them?
Mods will just approve one and deny other one, or they will deny both
Yeah, apparently both were denied because of it lmao
I've recently had a couple of suggestions here declined, but the DM message from the @frigid bluff
is so generic that it doesn't really explain why my suggestion was declined...
Your suggestion has been denied. We deny reports if they're either a duplicate, already in-game, have no connection to what the game is supposed to be(i.e. "pvp dinosaur battles with Mesozoic Valley dinos"), or aren't detailed enough. If you believe this is a mistake, please contact the staff team. You can also edit then resend your suggestion if you think it was a good suggestion that wasn't written right.
My suggestion was for there to be more indigenous and first nations knowledge in the tech tree of the primary simulation. I feel that the current tech tree represents the modern Scientific Method very well, but there is a lack of traditional Indigenous Knowledge represented on the tech tree. For an explanation of the difference between these two knowledge systems, see...
Traditional knowledge (TK), indigenous knowledge (IK) and local knowledge generally refer to knowledge systems embedded in the cultural traditions of regional, indigenous, or local communities. According to the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) and the United Nations (UN), traditional knowledge and traditional cultural expressions ...
Yeah, I requested a few species that I felt were missing but idk why it was declined
I think specific species would likely be declined anyway, as there may already be a representative species for a given genus.
Nah, the ones I were thinking were spotted hyenas (crocuta crocuta), okapis (Okapi Johnstoni), and cheetahs (acinonyx jubatus)
All unique in their genus
But there are already representative species for the Giraffidae and Feliformia genera.
Thatβs fair
But hyaenids in particular are unique enough to get an inclusion IMO, as three species in panthera got included
Fair call. I guess the "powers that be" decide how many representative species are needed for each genera then. I don't know if there is a standard for this, in the game.
Yeah, idk either. Even though Iβm sure we would all love more species in game, not ALL of them can be included lol
Going back to my call for more traditional Indigenous Knowledge (IK) to be represented on the tech-tree, there is a strong movement these days to formalise IK as being of equal value to the modern Scientific Method (SM). It would be great if
CTS would also represent this movement, and respect this alternate viewpoint. More often these days we are seeing IK being validated by SM, and conversely, SM knowledge being broadened by IK. There is a lot of research available on this subject...
https://scholar.google.co.nz/scholar?hl=en&q=indigenous+knowledge+scientific+method
Maybe because devs are currently fixing the civ tree, so they might add new things and make it more accurate
Species are denied pretty often i think, unless you give them reasonable answer why they should be added, then it have a higher chance of being accepted
Ah, okay. If I do one again, Iβll take your advice.
By the way, regarding the bot's DM message that I cited above, it would be more accurate in English to say that a suggestion has been "declined", rather than it being "denied". Just saying. π
Hi
hello
hello y'all
Hi
bye
Mesozoic Valley
I do plan on improving our denial system to allow us to provide a reasoning along with the denial so then you'll know why we believe it's not useful. This does sound like an interesting suggestion, the way you put it here sounds better than what I'm reading from your original suggestion so maybe that's why it was denied, I'll ask the original denier about their opinion on the suggestion.
Thanks for the reply. One of the aforementioned generic reasons given for declining a suggestion was "...aren't detailed enough". I guess I hadn't put enough detail into my original suggestion, then. 
Subverting ethnocentrism and colonialism, by encouraging diversity of thought regarding indigeneity, is something dear to my heart. I live in a diverse, multicultural society (Aotearoa/New Zealand) which was founded on the English Crown's partnership with the local indigenous MΔori peoples, as our country's founding document the Treaty of Waitangi stipulates. Recognition and respect for our Indigenous Knowledge (IK) is part of our national heritage.
@tough marsh One key factor when dealing with IK is the need for handling it with the respect which it deserves, whilst avoiding the appearance of cultural appropriation. It can be quite a challenge to get this balance right - providing enough information to demonstrate our respect of the IK, but not too much that we get "dumped on" for using it. This can be considered as similar to the modern Scientific Method, as the oft-quoted "standing on the shoulders of giants" paradigm alludes, with the accompanying need for citing of sources as a mark of respect. How that translates into the realm of the computer game developer though, isn't something I can adequately address.
I love how the leader board exposes hackers, primary 0 but beyond 1 and so many metabits
Also, primary of 29 minutes total
those stats look like fair play to me 
Wtf
Yeah, near the top of the leaderboards
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there's
havent been into this game in like a year, i come back and there's so much new stuff dang
Uh guys a new friend is coming
ππ» hi
Finally you made it
Yes, finally:)
Well you can talk in different channels/chats by clicking on the names
Okay. Thanks
Thank you sam0729. Iβll check it out.
What do I get for boosting
this is the reasoning behind the denial of the suggestion:
...in only very rare edge cases...does it have real relevance for todays world.
I'm sorry, but I feel that this attitude is very demeaning towards Indigenous Knowledge, which has been passed down through the generations for thousands of years. The ethnocentric belief that only modern science is good enough, is still alive and well here it seems. That's a pity. π π
Then you are completely misinterpreting what I'm saying, and it has absolutely nothing to do with ethnocentrism
Please don't assume my positions if you know nothing about then and I actually think that the specific interpretation you chose is almost insulting
How else am I supposed to interpret your assertion that IK is relegated to "edge cases"?
A lot of modern medicine (and cosmetics), for example, are based on IK and local knowledge about the plant kingdom.
And? All we know was at some point based on tribal knowledge. Does that mean that it's necessarily still relevant today when the there were already multiple generations of advancements made since then?
And only in edge cases is that tribal knowledge still "state of the art" - so relevant today
That has nothing to do with ethnocentrism, it's an acknowledgement that technology has advanced a lot since the days where the entirety of humanity was made up of tribes
Chat dead I think
wow, never think that this can happend!
wait, i never get that before but now i get it
i never did
it this normal?
prob happen when u click the camera too fast that the game didn't realized.
Do you have archie
because it seems normal
You can tell by the grey archosaur icon that i haven't bought any
but maybe it's different between pc and phone version
So yes this is absolutely normal
no, i mean the camera and the dock is on the same screen
It's a bug
maybe a texture bug
I wonder if god is giving us a preview of paradise
same
What if C2S meant something else ?
Cry To Shine
Chorizo To Sausage
The thing with games : You 100% it so you wanna restart the game but there is no reset button
You cry for one and you have it
you restart
The newest update that requires 100% completion to access it : 
You : THIS BUTTON IS USELESS YOU WOULD ANYONE USE IT
You realise : oh.
You think : i am stupid.
You :

Imagin imagine ai took the job of the sketch makers who make sketches of criminals
2040:
Policeman: so you remember face of criminal
Me: yes
Policeman: type what you know about it here
Here* /imagine promptππ
the description : it's a green pirhanha with 3 legs, a white jacket and 5 yellow ears
The policeman : Thank you for your intervention
the kind bot policeman : take dis -hands over a bag o'dem chip-
the kind irl policeman : protects the people in need to
I guess that is your point of view, and you are one of those who make such decisions around here, so any other viewpoint is irrelevant. I think I understand all too well.
I agree. David Suzuki, the host of "The Nature of Things", has strongly suggested that science and indigenous knowledge should be combined, as indigenous knowledge sometimes has things that science doesn't. I think the idea of two-eyed seeing- using both science and indigenous knowledge will be very important for the future the our planet.
How to do singularity under 2 minute? (my best 2:12
Be really fast and make sure to restart your simulation regularly because it gives you a speed boost each time right now my by is 1 minute 15 seconds
Do you have some tips?
Max out you nanobots and use the buy option on them it helps a ton
Alr ill try that
Yes, and use the buying menu to grab the upgrades
They're a great help and can easily get you sub 2 minutes if you recharge them but if you want a really good time, without actually spending darwinium on refreshing nanobots, check the pins for a guide
Or just click this link
#π¬-cells-chat message
How to only focus to main tree? I already bough the not main tree animal
Practice, you should first analyze the path before actually trying to do this
But if you just want the achievement, nanobots will be enough for you
Hmm ok thanks for the tips
what should i buy first? philosophy artifacts, money artifacts, gorillas?
Squid, capybara, or volcano
calmar
Guys
boys
Humans, Homo sapiens
Ah yes, my favourite: the Afraid Human
farhad human
It's in the rules
You are in general
i do not understand
move to the spanish channel to speak spanis please
must i use google trad for this
Vayan al canal espaΓ±ol para hablar espaΓ±ol por favor. En #π -general al, habla inglΓ©s por favor.
Guess i do need to use google trad
yes, i sent him a warning
the next time will be a perma-ban
ok
I like how helger me and the women is not very active anymore but quarter still remains standing.
Oscarπ₯π
crazy
Where can i report members
Here by pinging one of the mods too
Or just dm a moderator
Will the devs ever add a chatgpt In this server?
Probably not
Since I'm not active in others servers then I'm active here
Semblance ai
Comment o. Fait pour amΓ©liorer Moteur de rΓ©alitΓ©
Hey, is there a notification in the game that you have successfully linked your Discord or not?
I think so, but idk what it would look like
It still says link game to discord (In-game) but I've put the Old command into #π-semblance and its accepted it. Clicked Old Link (In-game) and nothing happens
Because it's old link, it has to be the new link (I think just called "link") to connect fully
Mmm
#π-semblance wont accept the new link and the New Link in game comes up with an error
I don't entirely know, I haven't done it myself yet
Hmmm
Ask someone who done it maybe π
"This method of linking your progress has now been removed, please instead use the oauth method of linking" what #π-semblance gives with new link code
Oh yeah, if there is an OAuth button, use that, if not, wait for the next update for get 17_60 beta
their timer resets for me every time i restart sim for a faster time
2 mins to new exploration
why is chat so dead in contrast to the last deep sea
probably timezones
It's 4:26am on Thursday morning where I am.
Because James Webb happens for the 9 time
Wow, it's the 9th time through this event now, huh? This is my first time through the
James Webb event. It's going well so far for me.
Huh
yes
?
That's great, as far as I remember, James Webb was one of the easiest events, not sure if they rebalanced it or something
I wouldn't even notice the difference now since my boost is 240%
Is there a chat here for normal zoology discussion
Here maybe
I do like how
CTS holds events like this regularly. Most games I've played in the past have events only at festive times, and at that they are usually ethnocentric, focusing on festive occasions in the USA. Not everyone in the world celebrates Independence Day or Thanksgiving.
Hello
Yay, I just unlocked my first badge in the
James Webb event! π
hi everyone)
Hello
Hey π
"the women"
lmao
Does anyone know how to contact a dev for the game to help me with a problem
if it's a problem in beta versions, ping them in #π¬-beta-chat
if it's not, then report your bugs in #1010249890414202880
you do not ping us with a problem, you just post it. Also, #1010249890414202880 is also for beta bugs, that's why there's a beta tag
the problem is solved
is not a problem
Not me trying to use an actual microscope in c2s
Ok
Sup lad
Heya
Yay, I just unlocked my second badge in the
James Webb event! π
Is there someone who knows the redeem code?
Yep, just write /codes in #π-semblance for codes + DETRITUS and SQUID
I have a suggestion. Perhaps you would consider making it possible to use Logit, which is unnecessarily collected, to exchange for Darwinium? This would be an incentive to collect Logits and therefore to do events.
#π‘-suggestions channel is what you're searching (to suggest there, use /suggest command in #π-semblance)
oh, did I forget to add some codes
damn,, I be too busy that I forget about the codes
there we go
How do I report a lost save game??
Uhhh what @inland berry?
!ban 446070110050844680 politic
Banned elias#0409 (Case #2165) (user notified with a direct message)
thanks
I'm tired of the political banners here
who tf advertising politics in a mobile game server π
Hello good people. I've joined the server to ask about a change that i observed recently. I don't want to post it in the bugs section as I'm not sure whether that was an intentional change or not.
Couple weeks ago my primary exploration (generation speed) slowed down significantly. When i go to the Reality Engine and look at the production multipliers, I see the "total produced" multiplier reduced about 1000 times.
Is this known? Is it impacting others?
Thanks
It's not a bug but a result of devs rebalancing the end game
drunk people
Hello
don't post this kind of anime view in this server, thanks
why not
hi guys
Hello
Isn't it obvious?
no?
I should get drunk and chime in
yeah?
you were saying?
you don't need to ping me 2 times or get an answer from everyone
from what I've read, the protagonist's sister is somewhat lascivious with her brother, so she is what in Spanish-speaking countries we call "norteΓ±a".
Can you follow me in #π-semblance PLS?
yes
π¦ that's too bad, thanks for the reply though
I guess it's not practical to restart the simulation any more since it'll be difficult to get the speed back up?
How do I suggest something?
sup god πΏ
i have a question, whats the difference between old and new roles?
for example, theres "Paleontologist Legend (Old)" and "Paleontologist Legend (New)"
same goes with other roles
beta testing
boost cuz why not
the old roles are going to be removed soon to be replaced by the new ones, the new ones have connection requirements that you have to link through the game to check if you meet the requirements and then you can give yourself the roles. The reason I didn't simply edit the previous roles to have the requirement is cause then nobody would have roles as it would have automatically removed the role from everyone if I added the requirements
To have your roles linked, your choices at present are either:
- Be in the Beta program; or
- Wait for the public rollout of the new roles system.
Apparently it should be being released fairly soon. I have applied for the Beta program myself, but I'm expecting to see the new roles system go public before my application gets approved, probably.
I am in beta
I just couldn't find anything related to it
Yep, I did see a great discussion here about it somewhere a few days ago, and how exactly to do it, but the requirement first was to be in the Beta program, so I couldn't actually try it myself yet. 

Your suggestion has been denied. We deny reports if they're either a duplicate, already in-game, have no connection to what the game is supposed to be(i.e. "pvp dinosaur battles with Mesozoic Valley dinos"), or aren't detailed enough. If you believe this is a mistake, please contact the staff team. You can also edit then resend your suggestion if you think it was a good suggestion that wasn't written right.