💬-cells-chat

[brazen rover]

I wonder what upgrades I gotta buy now

[hollow pelican]

Could you screenshot it? Maybe we can help

[brazen rover]

@james

[dry cairn]

you have an insane amount of currency saved up. its time to reset

[fathom stirrup]

I would wait until RL 59....

[fathom stirrup]

Then do 14day empty sim.

[brazen rover]

Anybody knows who is this?

[dry cairn]

didnt notice that. yeah, if you are very close to leveling, might as well wait.

[brazen rover]

I have no idea what’s going on after the big update

[fathom stirrup]

I was at your level a month ago. Wait until you reach lvl59, then reboot. I would suggest you to do an empty sim than.

[brazen rover]

Empty sim?

Where is it

[dry cairn]

on the idea side, buy neutrino expansion, conceptual converter, propogation capacitor, and probably all 5 levles of knowledge compressor IV

[brazen rover]

If I have the knowledge to do so

It’s hard getting that currency

[dry cairn]

i went by how much you have.

[brazen rover]

1.76 qa

[hollow pelican]

Empty sim is a method that makes you wait for 14 days at max (7 days at min) to let your time chambers especially the Metabit and Knowledge time chamber fill up on their own, these will eventually bring a significant boost to your metabit and knowledge production making you rich

[brazen rover]

So don’t touch the game for 2 weeks

[hollow pelican]

Reboot your game then let it sit for 14 days straight

So yeah

[brazen rover]

I don’t see the vision

[hollow pelican]

You don't see it, but when you calculate it... you'll eventually see it

[brazen rover]

Rebooting removes all I bought

[lone bronze]

time chambers

[hollow pelican]

I've been using this method and it works

[brazen rover]

And from what I know the more I buy the more it gets to filling up my cars faster

[hollow pelican]

I'm on RL 82 in under a month

[brazen rover]

From at what point

[hollow pelican]

79

[brazen rover]

Jeez

[hollow pelican]

It usually takes 2 months

[brazen rover]

I need that

From 59-65 here I come

[hollow pelican]

Yeah, that's why we recommended you to do an empty sim run

[hollow pelican]

Could be more

or less depending on what have you bought

[brazen rover]

Ok so I’ll reboot and not touch anything for a week

As soon as I’m in lv 59

[primal stump]

okay

[fathom stirrup]

When I was at 59 and I cashed in the empty sim I was able to buy such nodes that with combination of two little 3day empty sims it was enough to boost me up to level 70.

[brazen rover]

Can’t wait

Any tips for beyond

I’m stuck at lv 12

[lone bronze]

patience

[fathom stirrup]

So now compare. 3 weeks to level up 11 levels. Would you be able to get there by "playing normally"?

[hollow pelican]

Grind

[brazen rover]

:’(

[hollow pelican]

That's how I got to E30 in under a month

[fathom stirrup]

Don't focus on your objectives, focus on getting most profitable generators up their ranks (not individually, but whole ranks).

Once you have enough generation, objectives are done easily.

[fathom stirrup]

Big tip for Beyond is get high ranked in Explorations

And do missions nonstop + Boost as much as you can

[brazen rover]

There’s ranking?!

[hollow pelican]

For people who have completed the beyond

[fathom stirrup]

In Explorations events there is ranking system. For finishing top25 you get useful rewards

[hollow pelican]

there are about 16,000 people that have completed the beyond

Also, ranking is everywhere

idk why

Meso gonna get ranking too?

[dry cairn]

Meso gets nothing ever again 😢

[fathom stirrup]

Egg-hunt...

Dating simulator...

[brazen rover]

Ah I thought you were talking ranking in beyond nvm

[brazen rover]

The only question I have now is that can I play explore when letting the sim stay rebooted

[dry cairn]

yeah. perfect time to focus on Meso, Beyond, and the Explore events while not touching the Primary sim

[brazen rover]

Anyone know that those flasks do?

Also if james111 is on here holla ay your boi

[brazen rover]

Then I’ll do just that

[frigid adder]

They require levels

[trim eagle]

Haven't checked cells in a month?

Anything new?

[hollow pelican]

Nope, that ain't what we really want

[hollow pelican]

Jester on dating simulation so I'm interested

[hollow pelican]

Industrial Revolution II

Jester update

Worm expansion

and Echinoderm expansion

[fathom stirrup]

Those are metrics that determine the final ranking in an event.

[fathom stirrup]

You might've missed Easter Egg-hunt which gave ||secret achievement||, but other than that only Industrial Revolution2. ||UV's mentions are fanmade nonofficialities||

[clear zenith]

I doubt it, just because the devs probably don't have records of what order people finished in. Unless they rework and reset the prestige, that is

[hollow pelican]

I mean like after the prestige 10, there would be a single prestige prestige that would reset everything except your mutagen and by everything I mean normal, rare, and epic cards

And then when you reach P10E50 again, you'll get yourself a meso ranking

yeah idk

[warm lodge]

Yes, Industrial Revolution II: #📢-announcements message

[dry cairn]

we shall rank people on the combined total level of their epics, rares, and 2 giga cards.

[fathom stirrup]

And also Iguanadons

[warm lodge]

I got some dino traits to rank 20. But at the Beyond nothing is near 20 yet in my game.

[dry cairn]

do we all have that one dino card that we misclick leveled, lol

[warm lodge]

Well, it costs quite some mutagen to rank them to 20. And not everyone got the 10 million mutagen glitch. So, misclicking will usually be not enough to get them to 20.

[dry cairn]

i got 2 epics to 20 when I finally opened those 70 Diamond Geodes
takes forever to get more mutagen.

[fathom stirrup]

I am still in prestige 6

[polar viper]

2 epics to 20 in beyond?

ah fixed

[dry cairn]

good catch. I said the wrong thing

4 years of playing and no 10m mutagen glitch for me.

[gray yew]

ive been playing for 7 years
and no such glitch for me either

[clear zenith]

By the end of this month there will be events I'll have played three times. That's kind of cool

[obsidian trellis]

What exactly does Nano-Buyer do? Buy all the upgrades after a reset?

[clear zenith]

Not quite. It lets nanobots buy things, which can help you quickly buy stuff after a reset

[frigid adder]

It buys the upgrades/gens/nodes nearest to it I'm pretty sure

[obsidian trellis]

So Not worth to Safe up for it? 😅

[fathom stirrup]

You can also buy stuff before reset!

[obsidian trellis]

What should I Upgrade First?

[fathom stirrup]

There is a golden feature that is behind that upgrade which is very good (sorting by income).

[fathom stirrup]

Siebevfachverstäker!

[obsidian trellis]

Haha love it 😂

[clear zenith]

I would advise against saving up for things in the Reality Engine in general. It's better to spend stuff between rounds. It's not bad to have an idea of which expensive upgrades to prioritize, though

[clear zenith]

Pretty much. You want to use buy mode in tree view, and have the things you want them buying on the screen. They'll follow as you move around the tree.

[fathom stirrup]

If you have a powerful node in your reach but 1 run is not enough, it doesn't s better to save the currency rather than spending it on weak stuff.

[fallen sand]

If you have an autoclicker Nanobuyer is worse than useless

[fathom stirrup]

Good example was Cas's Sextupler 2 hours ago.

[clear zenith]

That's fair. That's why I say "in general"- there are almost always exceptions to a rule

[fallen sand]

4h wait for Ground Support is finally over

[clear zenith]

It's useful because value sort is behind it

[fallen sand]

I also hate value sort, but fair enough

[clear zenith]

I can't wait to play this game again

[fathom stirrup]

It's very useful

[fathom stirrup]

Gonna get that Reality Amplifier 💪

[fallen sand]

As far as I'm aware it doesn't account for the RE scaling upgrades, so it will prioritize expensive things and leave the actual best purchases alone

It also 'breaks' if you run out of money for what it wants

[clear zenith]

hopefully, but it's two orders of magnitude from my total metabits earned

[fallen sand]

It's probably better than guessing for a casual player, so I think it has its uses
But that doesn't mean I have to like it D:<

[fallen sand]

This is a good approach. I assess based not on flat MB value but on "how many rusn will this take to afford"

[clear zenith]

imo it's only mildly annoying that I have to switch to another tab and back for it to reset

[fallen sand]

Something takes <1% of a run? Sure, I'll get it, it's basically free.
Something takes 2 runs? Better be amazing
Something takes more than 2 runs? Not gonna happen, get something else

[fallen sand]

Oh! Also, at some point long ago it broke even worse for me
The toggle for value sort is permanently flipped for Entropy/Ideas. So if it's on in the Entropy tab, it's off when I switch to Ideas, and vice versa

This means whenever I switch between Entropy and Ideas I have to hit the toggle, whether or not I want to use it

[clear zenith]

ew

[fallen sand]

Yes, ew indeed

[fathom stirrup]

I use it with "round" filter. What it does is clearly displays your generators in order of their importance. Easy peasy

[fallen sand]

Who needs value sort 😛

[fathom stirrup]

Well you don't need to look for anything at the buying menu. It is always up top

[fallen sand]

Except when it's not ^^

Also:

use it with "round" filter
ew

[fathom stirrup]

Round filter gets you to purchase much more generators in short period of time -> more effect for all those little capacitors that give boost based on number of stuff bought.

*More than Max filter.

[fallen sand]

I prefer Max, but that's far enough

[fathom stirrup]

Have you even tried Round?

Like give it a chance?

[fallen sand]

Yes? I find the cost scaling from x to x+10 means I end up having to do a lot more tweaking as it under or over-shoots things
I like Max on each with 1s or to between to get the increased currency

It doesn't matter too much either way since you have to go back and fine-tune them in either case

[fathom stirrup]

I was using Max until I discovered Round has some benefits that I appreciate.

[fathom stirrup]

I don't fine-tune stuff in Primary at all
But in Meso it is a different story.

[clear zenith]

maybe max is better but round looks cleaner

I'm okay with being a little inefficient

[rough axle]

Lmao I use buyx100

[clear zenith]

I do not generate enough currency to do that for some of my later generators lol

[fathom stirrup]

Max will deplete larger chunks of your currency to buy stuff. So you won't buy as much of the other stuff compared to Round.

This is something I want to avoid.

[rough axle]

I buy one of everything first and then x100

[clear zenith]

but 101 is uneven 😭

[rough axle]

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-is-dead-spy-engineer-correct-right-gif-26313261

2301 is even more uneven!

[fallen sand]

9h to go. I even got a later divison this time so I can probably top100

Next is Cats, which...I vaguely recall being on the longer side?

A lot more nodes and generators if nothing else

[clear zenith]

my impression after playing it once is that it's middlish difficulty/length-wise

It's single-currency and isn't philosophy so

[broken forge]

Ty

[clear zenith]

yw?

[broken forge]

I meant to drako lol

[clear zenith]

Ah. Welcome to being colorless again

[upbeat magnet]

how do I get flat universe faster? is it literally just a waiting game/sun card RNG?

[clear zenith]

pretty much

but also the latest update in #🧾-beta-patch-notes mentions something that may be relevant to you if it comes to public release soon:

||Beyond E30 tuning updates (reduce Flat Universe difficulty)||

[upbeat magnet]

woahhh theres beta??? did not know this

may have to tap in

[clear zenith]

#🚪-how-to-join-beta

if you want to see all the beta channels you can also grab the beta notif role in Channels & Roles

[upbeat magnet]

update: tapped in

[clear zenith]

Make sure not to spoil anything here lol. Have fun with the beta content!

omg I found the origins of the canned cheese joke

I'm sure this is old news to everyone that was there lol

[rough axle]

Does it end in 9h or do you estimate to finish in 9h?

[rough axle]

Minor spoilers for nanobot update

[median meadow]

When is nanobot update?

[rough axle]

Idk

Seems pretty close though

I’d say a week or two

[median meadow]

Sweet

[rough axle]

Upcoming content in beta doesn’t show IR2 anymore which is probably a good sign

[clear zenith]

If there isn't a cheese bot skin I'll be very disappointed /j

[glass osprey]

man division 11 leaderboards is really hard to catch up

[rough axle]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[rough axle]

Second-hardest in the game

[glass osprey]

i just want the rewards

[clear zenith]

start the event later then lol

how long have you been playing (the whole game, I mean)?

[glass osprey]

uhhh i've been back a while

[lone bronze]

im genuinely pissed I was working so hard for flat uni just for it to be nerfed or whatever the terminology is

[clear zenith]

it hasn't been?

has it?

[clear zenith]

So yeah, if you've got some badge boost and use the 4x boost from ads, it's generally advisable to wait at least a few hours before starting an event. A lot of competitive people start right at the beginning

[glass osprey]

ahhh i see

gotcha, will probably do that on the next event

thank you for the heads up!

[clear zenith]

Happy to help!

[jade bone]

OH DAMN NANOBOT UPDATE LETS GO WE ARE SO BACK

THE GAME IS FINALLY PLAYABLE AGAIN

[clear zenith]

It's not out yet lol

[jade bone]

yes but it will be playable soon

[clear zenith]

that's the hope

[quasi ivy]

time to hopefully get stronger nanobots to help me in events and maybe complete all of them in an hour!!!

[amber canyon]

Ground support needs both Launch AND International collaboration

Also on your network - Launch needs Delayed Launch.

[rough axle]

whos gonna tell him they onyl changed in primary

[quasi ivy]

well was w0rth a sh0t

[brazen rover]

By reboot do you mean not even to buy one thing cause I rebooted it

[fallen sand]

Good to know, thanks!

[fallen sand]

Yes #💬-cells-chat message
You can technically buy Planet Earth and the next upgrade, and even get a clickable or two, but there's no reason to
You're trying to avoid filling up the Metabit/Knowledge bars

[dreamy echo]

it sounded like you were talking about some scientific or governmental project you were working on 😭

omg bruh

[fallen sand]

<@&535129309648781332> scam

[amber canyon]

<@&535129309648781332> scam

[dreamy echo]

damn too slow

[hollow haven]

👍

[dreamy echo]

the ping button was being elusive

why does there have to be users names martian

[hollow haven]

!ban vintage_vegas

[vocal hinge]

🙁

[hollow haven]

[fallen sand]

Mine sat in pending for a while, too

[amber canyon]

Oh. Have bought 1x Ground Telescope, 1x Hubble Telescope, 1x James Webb Telescope, 23x Development and 1x Launch.

[fallen sand]

Fortunately this didn't require me to rerrange too much, just some minor realignment in the categorized version

[dreamy echo]

are you minimizing things purchased or smth

[fallen sand]

So (aside from perhaps Development) we can fairly safely assume there are no quantity requirements, then?

[amber canyon]

... More than 0?

[dreamy echo]

why 23x development

[fallen sand]

https://tenor.com/usbP6xtMEFf.gif

[dreamy echo]

seems weird

[fallen sand]

Trying to verify requirements for certain upgrades

[dreamy echo]

23 seems especially random, like it wasnt human picked, unless theres some other thing that limes up at 23

[dreamy echo]

makes sense

[fallen sand]

The displayed upgrade tree in-game is not always accurate.
What's that quote from the Pirates movies? "The tree is more of what you'd call...guidelines, than actual rules" or something?

Philosophy (the most recent event) in particular had some idiosyncracies

[amber canyon]

To get the next things in a reasonable time, but not pass the 25. Cos 25 is needed for one of the objectives.

I got another file running with only 1x Development but that hasn't bought Funding yet.

[dreamy echo]

oh ok so it isnt specifically required

it's just really slow otherwise

[fallen sand]

With the extra few you've already discovered the only suspicions I really have left are the Exoplanets and Cleared Name lines

[amber canyon]

I can probably test out only 1x Development before the end of the event (with buying more of others). Think that should be doable 🤔.

[dreamy echo]

oh thats what these trees are

[fallen sand]

Up to you; as I said, at this point my quantity fears have been allayed 🤷‍♀️

[dreamy echo]

ive seen them sometimes when speed scrolling through the chat

[fallen sand]

Haha, yeah. They're flowcharts illustrating the various node dependencies.
The wiki has it in non-contiguous table form, which is also useful but...harder to digest and has some inaccuracies

Easier to search, of course, and it provides more info

[tawdry parrot]

We might have something to celebrate soon

[gray yew]

Honestly looks like a path in a choose-your-own adventure book

[gray yew]

Yey

[dreamy echo]

isnt the wiki moving at some point too?

something like this could be better for the new wiki

[amber canyon]

I haven't bought anything permanently except the minimum.

I tested that I could fully unlock those two chains without buying anything else apart from 1 of each generator.

[dreamy echo]

unless it's too much info for a standard wiki, and there could be an external link or technical page for it

[tawdry parrot]

fixed my badges on this one too 💪

only body is left now >:D

[amber canyon]

I'm doing the same but opposite 😁. I need to mess up my badges a bit more, so not collecting the 5%.

[tawdry parrot]

👀

[fallen sand]

So you're confident that Black Holes+ and Cleared Name+ aren't required for anything and can be skipped entirely?

[amber canyon]

I have only test-unlocked up to Hexagonal Mirrors, Sun shield (which I bought and didn't unlock anything by itself), Christmas Launch, Ground Support (all independently without any extra than the minimum chain). The side chains could be needed later on. Unlikely imo.

[tawdry parrot]

isnt this basically the easiest event

I like that u guys theorize but is there a point for this one

it seems very linear

[amber canyon]

I'm not in a rush to finish it this time. And we found some wrong / missing info in the wiki about the last event.

[fallen sand]

Generally yes, but there have been a few surprises. As Kf notes, the wiki has some inaccuracies because (by Electorus' own admission) some of the listed info is just guessed at based on the in-game display
In terms of strategy, there's only one notable deviation for this one which is to rush Launch earlier than expected

This abomination shows the pathing, so there is a little back-and forth
The Launch rush (not pictured) is this bit:

    ,4,4,4,4,4 #39 Development
    #Rush to Launch
    ,5 #1 Construction
    ,31 #Infrared Visibility
    ,6,5,6,4,6,5 #40 Development; 3 Construction; 3 Launch
    ,32 #Micro Shutters```
i.e. you skip right over Construction to get some Launch generators because they're just that good

Knowing the dependencies needed to unlock Launch would matter in this case

[amber canyon]

The cost of Launch isn't that much more than Construction tbf. I know there are other things, like upgrade qtys and costs.

[tawdry parrot]

thank u

[dry cairn]

I might need to run this test again, it was a noticeable difference.

After Human, switch to the Idea side, max that first then go back to finish the Entropy side. (10 minutes total)
1.39E+31 metabits
2.27E+38 knowledge

Max the Entropy side before touching the Idea side. (10 minutes total)
1.39E+31 metabits
3.71E+38 knowledge

[fallen sand]

There are 3 parts needed:

1. As you note, Launch is 4.8x the cost but 8.3x the production of Construction. Usually the costs are far enough apart that it would take to long to afford the next tier, regardless of how good it is.
2. Often the next generator requires multiple upgrades of the previous tier. Only a couple are required here, so the 'rush distance' to Launch is relatively short.
3. The intervening upgrades are relatively weak, so they don't buff Construction relative to Launch very much.
   So even when combining the total cost (i.e. time) of rushing to Launch, it's still better than investing in the anemic Construction.

[amber canyon]

What were you able to unlock in terms of nodes? Like how far through molluscs?

[dry cairn]

i should have tracked more data.
I think i got to about 490 both times

[fallen sand]

"After Human" - so you didn't get Mollusk in run 1 before starting Ideas? I can see how that might underperform if so

[dry cairn]

correct. it seemed to only affect knowledge though which seems odd

[fallen sand]

That's expected though

[amber canyon]

I didn't in my 'normal' run either.

[fallen sand]

Your metabits hit such harsh diminishing returns quickly enough that even 'delaying' them until after Ideas means you plateau at the same point
But Human Spark - what we're testing for - lets you increase your Knowledge per fill, so even with the same plateau at X bars filled you get more overall

[amber canyon]

It is only Human Spark that affects meta currency outcomes. The rest just changes how quickly you get there. Basically.

[fallen sand]

As I see it, the core data we need is really just:
Humans before 1st Ideas fill
Time to 1st ideas fill
Total time taken

[amber canyon]

My normal run flipped to ideas at generator 12 I think?

[fallen sand]

The purpose is to determine whether spending extra time getting additional Humans before Ideas is worth it, right?

[dry cairn]

so if you only care about Knowledge, you can optimze this.
We cant do the opposite though of maxing out the idea side first before touching the entropy side.

[fallen sand]

Correct, but there's no "Human Spark" equivalent for Entropy so it's irrelevant

[dry cairn]

even if we get one eventually. it wont work as well the other way

[amber canyon]

My purpose was to see if I could increase my knowledge. I'm not so concerned about the time it takes. I'm not spam-rebooting 🙂.

So for me, I don't care if I spend an extra hour/day doing a reboot. If it gets me more Knowledge income.

[fallen sand]

At some point it all comes down to time, though
How you allocate the total time of your run between pre-Ideas maxing humans vs at soft-cap waiting for fills

[amber canyon]

But we all are/can be end game. There is no point in getting to the end just to hang around waiting.

[fallen sand]

I suppose that calculus changes depending on base run length though. I assumed this was only relevant for empty sim since spam-reboot seems to be strictly worse by the time you have Human Spark

[amber canyon]

<@&535129309648781332> scam

[dry cairn]

https://giphy.com/gifs/kevin-homealone-home-alone-J1G7rIvoyz4cwaqXWo

aww, Kevin is gone

[fallen sand]

Speaking of which, ~3h to go

[tawdry parrot]

finally I experienced a scam live

[amber canyon]

But anyway, if we're doing 14 day empty sim runs, getting extra on those runs seems worth allowing extra time in the buying phase.

Especially if you want to get the most out of your reboots.

And play the game for a bit ...

[amber canyon]

Yay?

[fallen sand]

Aye. the question I want to know is "how much extra time"
The Ideas tree gives a significant boost to Entropy, so both the 'base humans' and the 'extra humans' you'd pre-max are far below what you'd see at softcap. Thus we can't use softcap figures as a useful approximation of how much we're cheesing Human Spark - we have to test it

[amber canyon]

So you're able to fully unlock the entropy side before going to ideas? Including all the mollusc nodes?

[dry cairn]

i think there was 1 more.

[amber canyon]

I think there was a x2, X10 and a x2 I wasn't able to get on my farming humans run.

[wary iron]

83 seems to take ages to complete. Sigh!

[dry cairn]

i should try a run with more patience and wait longer to touch the idea side

[fallen sand]

However, "normallly" we dont' spend much time pre-ideas at all, so any time pre-maxing is going to be a huge deviation. This makes it difficult to directly compare to a normal run.
What we can compare is "Knowledge per time" (knowledge per run isn't fair, since we're extending the run length with extra time at the start).
So we have to pick a value for "total run length", or at least "time at softcap", and compare the impact of spending various time spent pre-maxing.

All this to say:
10min vs 1h maxing humans vs 14 days empty sim is about the same, so may as well spend 1h
But what about 3h? 1d? 🤷‍♀️

At some point extra pre-max time isn't worth it. I want to know when that is

[dry cairn]

the cost gets high and if you already have 2,000 humans. how much difference does 10 more make

[fallen sand]

*assuming a base run time of 14d empty sim and maybe 1d idle, since I think that's the most widely applicable use case

[fallen sand]

Exactly! Which is more insignificant: the 10minutes you spend or the +10 humans? What about 1h vs +15?

Because Human Spark scales multiplicatively, the extra humans are always somewhat significant.
It's just that at some point they take too long to get

[wary iron]

I reboot before the 14 day thing if the nodes are worth to get to accelerate the simulation. I passed 81 and 82 in a week by doing so.

[dry cairn]

going to start now and wait atleast 30 minutes to see how many humans i have

[amber canyon]

So. To get the x10 mollusc node I had to spend 20 mins doing shooting stars and then 18 minutes doing more to get extra humans. This took me from starting the civ side with 1722 humans to 1753. Ended up with just under 2k in both cases. Would be quicker without screenshots and data recording.

[tawdry parrot]

yes I always miss them

[fallen sand]

So +38min => +31 Humans => +16.7% Knowledge?

[amber canyon]

FWIW I have a file going which is collecting entropy for another mollusc node.

[fallen sand]

The Mollusk nodes complicate matters by adding stepwise portions to the buildup time function...

But (setting aside the Mollusk nodes for now) a few runs with longer/shorter pre-max times could give us a rough function for "humans per minute", i.e. "knowlege per extra minute"

And then we just pick a time when that diminishing returns is too insignificant for our liking

Obviously this depends a lot on the individual context, BUT because both human cost AND Human Spark scale multiplicatively, most of that actually doesn't matter.
Every +1 human is worth the same no matter how many you have
Every +1 human takes that much longer than the previous (i.e. multiplies the pre-max time by the same amount)

[unborn mesa]

hello nora

[fallen sand]

So our 'rough function' should be more widely applicable than one might think

[unborn mesa]

did you know i completed the JW event? it was the first event i completed! so thanks for the tip, it took me like 5 hours of grinding, not counting offline time

[fallen sand]

In the worst case, it should give us a reasonable upper bound for pre-max times

[fallen sand]

Congrats!

[unborn mesa]

ty

i took your tip of focusing in the evnt

event

[fallen sand]

That offline time did help a lot, though. Don't assume you can finish every event in 5h 😛

[novel surge]

I just Officially gained all of the event badges!!

[amber canyon]

Probably only at this specific point. Ofc in the future there'll be another best generator that has the same thing going on.

[unborn mesa]

i know, this one was easy tho

[unborn mesa]

i also got most of the secret achievements yesterday

[fallen sand]

Yeah. Thankfully I think most of the late Mollusk nodes are the same (x10) and have similar cost increases, so at least the effect should be roughly extrapolable

[amber canyon]

They alternate X2 and X10.

[unborn mesa]

also do you think the next event is gonna be hard to complete

[fallen sand]

Relative to this one, yes

But I don't have hard numbers yet

I'll probaly start taking a look at it by tomorrow though

[unborn mesa]

the next one is feline event

[amber canyon]

Unless I mis-remembered. It's late.

[unborn mesa]

the feline event is really long i think

idk i havent finished it

ive only got the first badge

[fallen sand]

You're more right than I

[amber canyon]

Yeah, it was Octopus I spent the time for in the extended farming run I posted yesterday. The save file is working towards Tentacles (I don't expect it to achieve much though).

(both runs I spent some time saving up for Tight Squeeze - everything before that was insta-buy I think. But had I been doing shooting stars at that point the saving up would have been much quicker).

[fallen sand]

If I remember, next empty sim I'll just record my game and see how many humans I could buy while maxing Entropy after my normal pre-Ideas phase
That should give me the data I'm looking for (+humans vs time)

I don't have access to Shooting Stars, though. I wonder how much of a difference that makes

[amber canyon]

A lot. Initially at least.

(for meta-currency that is. Obvs the entropy/ideas don't change).

Presumably ish like an autoclicker - but not as good?

[dry cairn]

not touching the idea side hurts your entropy much more than I though

[amber canyon]

~20 OoM for me.

[junior adder]

Do i get sharks from the daily mutation thingy?

ohh, that's actually lovely

[sharp crystal]

shark🤤🤤

mb man

[junior adder]

what

[sharp crystal]

what

huh

[junior adder]

https://tenor.com/view/don-quixote-limbus-company-don-quixote-limbus-don-quixote-limbus-company-limbus-gif-17379079128685856004

[sharp crystal]

●●○ Gavel is typing...

[safe nest]

The other some people were talking about a auto tapper....do those actually work?

[sharp crystal]

autobots roll out probably does

[dry cairn]

which means this might be simpler than we thought
The takeaway might be to quickly buy more human a few times while buying the idea side.

since your entropy will suddenly skyrocket again

[warm hill]

hello everyone

[amber canyon]

Hmm. Information Theory, and Ancient, modern Future capacitors are the cause.

[fallen sand]

Can't speak to mobile but afaik yes
They definitely work on Steam, capping out at around 2x to 3x base income in most cases

[fallen sand]

For TAS this makes sense, but it should be hard to buy humans faster than you fill Knowledge bars
Since a stronger boost to Entropy from the Ideas side means a much faster fill rate

And Knowledge plateaus so quickly that it seems unlikely to be worth maxing for only half your fills or less....but maybe it is

From Kf's data I'd say that pre-maxing Humans is definitely worth it, though.
I don't recall the Ideas -> Knowledge conversion rate, but since each Human is 5% more Ideas (multiplicatively) it should be easy enough to heuristically approximate a good stopping point

To wit: "Spend up to an hour maxing Humans on a 14d empty sim" is a safe bet (about +10% to +20% Knowledge)

Longer than that is probably fine but I'm not confident how much longer is reasonable

[forest anchor]

I honestly have no idea. Help for Beginners is unrebooted currently. Another probably has more to give than me

[amber canyon]

Am v tired now - but it's not worth buying Civs slowly, right? The knowledge would def outpace your additional humans.

[dry cairn]

in theory, its worth picking a couple points, say 1/3 and 2/3 through the idea side, to see if you can buy a bunch more humans

[amber canyon]

I reckon Nora's offset entry and idea autosorts will be handy now.

Leave it so life is not autosorts, while Civs are. Easier to flick back and forwards to keep quickly buying more humans.

[eager osprey]

Im about to get the singularity

[forest anchor]

Oh the empty sim auto-completed itself for me

I kept stopping empty sim too fast life decided to make me busy so it can be fully done 💔

[uncut lake]

I just got it and lowkey have no clue what it is 😭

[eager osprey]

I do

[uncut lake]

It just reset my sim and I assume it allows me to go further in the idea tree

[clear zenith]

Uhhhhh so fun fact before a major update in November reaching Singularity was what unlocked the Reality Engine. Now I'm not entirely sure what the point of it crashing your game is

Though maybe that's because it actually crashed my game and when I reopened it I was just at the start of the next sim 🤔

[hollow pelican]

Same like when it crashes on fish

The simulation can't handle it

[clear zenith]

...it crashed on fish? I could've sworn it just told me to reboot

[hollow pelican]

I just realized that the simulation gets more sensitive than before

It's more fragile

[clear zenith]

Wdym?

[hollow pelican]

Couldn't even handle fish

[clear zenith]

Ah

But on the other hand the old one couldn't do mammals before reaching Singularity

[hollow pelican]

We can simulate cell to emergent age without buying the Reality Engine

[hollow pelican]

before RR

[clear zenith]

I'm trying to do that (mostly) in an alt account rn. I've only rebooted twice: once for fish, a second so the knowledge side of the tree wouldn't be for nothing once I did reboot

I forget how far I am though because I am not good at remembering to check in

[solid marsh]

Y is sea bunny free?

[clear zenith]

Is it?

[umbral hill]

I created a reptile.

[solid marsh]

Nostalgia

[half flame]

what happened to humanoid and android ....

[eager osprey]

What's RR

[solid marsh]

Reality Reboot

[hollow pelican]

Reality Reboot

[eager osprey]

When was ts I came back to ts game few weeks ago

[hollow pelican]

They're gonna be back on future updates

Possibly on post-mars update

That's why you can see a glitch/anomaly after Fully Terraformed Environment node

[modern crystal]

I got the 0.01× per ocean life upgrade

Woohoo things are speeding

Along

[eager osprey]

When the green megabyte turned purple was it that

[hollow pelican]

Yes

And it's metabit

not megabyte

💔

prob autocorrect

[eager osprey]

Yeah

[hollow pelican]

Still misses this

[eager osprey]

Same

Left and rejoin not expecting that

[hollow pelican]

But actually purple metabits and the new one knowledge is really interesting tho

[eager osprey]

Hmm

[hollow pelican]

The design and the function too

[solid marsh]

Is this a good chip layout?

[hollow pelican]

Yes

it's balanced

if you got 5 more RL

but overall... it's balanced

[clear zenith]

I love being a hundred from top ten and then being busy for five hours but then I come back and get 200 science points...and I'm two hundred from top ten

and while I'm progress reporting ig I'm so close yet so far (Beyond e28 spoilers)

[fathom stirrup]

Longest requirement

[wide cargo]

damn bro

slide me some

😭✌🏻

[clear zenith]

💨

[rough axle]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-gone-reduced-to-atoms-end-game-infinity-war-gif-15573921

[forest anchor]

Hmm doesn't look like it

75 60

[sacred fog]

What do you guys think? Should I just prestige? I remember seeing a long time ago to use a Diamond geode before I prestige to get rare and epic cards. But now all my Darwinium goes to primary. Are these fine enough levels to complete Meso?

Also sorry it's two image

[solid marsh]

Look good

[forest anchor]

The next prestige might be ever so slightly painful imo but it's completely fine

[clear zenith]

dw too much, the advice really means don't use diamond geodes on levels other than 50

tmk

[sacred fog]

Ooo then I assume it's only going to get harder then after that. Maybe I'll just stay on the 50th level for a better chance at rares and epics

[solid marsh]

Well In the time chambers the ideas are getting alot of extra boost .
So, I'm focusing on entropy with the chips

[dreamy echo]

hi

[forest anchor]

Fair, but I'm just telling it doesn't look balanced, considering only Research Chips

[solid marsh]

Ok

[clear zenith]

Nothing really gets harder unless you make it that way. It's just that there would be a difficulty difference in the theoreticals of you buying or not buying a diamond geode

[sacred fog]

Yeah but I also don't want to make Meso even more of a slog. Been playing for years and I'm still on prestige 4 while everything else is endgame.

[clear zenith]

oh completely fair

[solid marsh]

Mesozoic is soooo boring

[sacred fog]

Yeah, I guess and really I'm only putting more focus on it for the primary system upgrade

[clear zenith]

at this rate I'm getting through a handful of extinctions a day even though I could go way faster

[sacred fog]

So maybe I'll sleep on it.

[sacred fog]

Love the game. Appreciate the devs for all they do, but yeah definitely agree. prolly my least favorite part of the game.

[solid marsh]

We need a Mesozoic reality reboot

[sacred fog]

That would be cool. I could see myself interacting and engaging with it more.

[little shard]

I have a bug

If you click on the coin game

If you spam the coin it will make you fly

[steep belfry]

Are my dear friends there?

😋

[solid marsh]

That's not a bug

[little shard]

It is try it yourself

[clear zenith]

it's almost certainly a bug but it's been in the game longer than the current version of the ancient garden so I don't think it's changing anytime soon

[clear zenith]

soon...

[solid marsh]

It is fun

[wraith terrace]

It's not a bug, it's a feature

[quasi roost]

rank 47 rn

3 more to go!!

[quasi ivy]

its timeeee

[torpid moss]

Hello CTS community

[amber canyon]

@zealous crystal @dry cairn After re-baselining my thinking about how much difference Human Spark might make I have adjusted the graph scale. And added the lines including octopus.

(for all lines I could get more by doing the post-levelling off shooting star thing. I only did it for the Octopus line, which took it to 7.84e30 Metabits and 6.41e35 knowledge before less than 1 fill per SS).

[wraith terrace]

On the y-axis, is that income/s or total collected?

[solid marsh]

Anxious

[polar viper]

wtf is SS
as a german im concerned

[tawdry parrot]

yayy

I still need to farm to finish the achievements tho

[warm hill]

hello

[broken forge]

Is it possible for me to complete this event?

[broken forge]

Ignore the bad stats new account lol

[warm hill]

probably, just watch a lot of ads

use sim boosts and nanobots

and also check the production value before buying

used to prioritize buying recent and expensive generators, but sometimes it's ineffective for me

[fathom stirrup]

Rank up all generators to max lvl if you haven't already. Occasionally rank ups get you 😉

[tawdry parrot]

that was satisfying

[fathom stirrup]

I am currently 18 from 100% Beyond completion

[tawdry parrot]

💯

[warm hill]

cuz some earlier generators produce more because of the boosts from the nodes you buy

[solid marsh]

...

Btw

[tawdry parrot]

old meme

[solid marsh]

Why is this guy free? --->

[solid marsh]

Ik

[keen mango]

just reached ep 30

[prime vale]

can we let this dumb meme die

[solid marsh]

Ok

[amber canyon]

Total collected. I have entropy/s and idea/s if you want to see them?

[amber canyon]

Shooting Stars.

[viscid stag]

Are those points normal . I only had barely 2k of those blue points I forgot what they are called but god how the hell did I get 400k

Lol then I spent all ubgrading

[warm hill]

you're lucky what

and before ||prestige||??

[viscid stag]

I just opened Jurassic park and then after 15 minutes then only I noticed I somehow had 400k

[viscid stag]

Yeah idk what prestige is btw

[warm hill]

should I spoil you

[viscid stag]

Sure

[warm hill]

so prestige are like rebirths

after you finished level 50

[solid marsh]

Before prestige is absolutely crazy

Damn

[viscid stag]

Yeah must have been a big

Bug

[warm hill]

you unlock your first prestige along with a new trait that upgrades every prestige

[viscid stag]

Ahh

Last time I played . The simulation reset was only available after gaining singularity and it was green color but now it's purple

[quasi ivy]

yeah there was a reality reboot

[warm hill]

and so far there are 10 prestiges and the higher the prestige the faster the simulation

[solid marsh]

Metaformisis

[viscid stag]

Wow . But damm 400k

[solid marsh]

It is very boring

[solid marsh]

Bro I got 400k after prestige 1

[viscid stag]

I still haven't reached rover . Takes too long .

[solid marsh]

I thought u played before RR

[viscid stag]

Yes

But then I got a new device

New account

[polar viper]

ok what is shooting stars

[solid marsh]

Them Golden asteroids in the garden

[warm hill]

wow, did you buy any in game purchases

[viscid stag]

Nope nope

Too broke

But I spend Darwin like it's water . Whenever I get it

[solid marsh]

I got the primary paid chip for free 😊

[amber canyon]

The x30 clicky things

[solid marsh]

Oh those

[quasi ivy]

darwinium cubes my preecious

[polar viper]

ah the comet

[amber canyon]

Useful for giving your primary a bit of a kick up the ass.

[solid marsh]

It's been awhile since I used one

[quasi ivy]

they really help with getting ur milestones and getting an extra stash of RE currencies

[solid marsh]

I probably should cuz I maxed my entropy tap

[amber canyon]

If you use an autoclicker, might not be useful. If you don't - like me - they're handy with nanobots and a bit of manual clicking.

[solid marsh]

I got around 600 taps manually

[quasi ivy]

u can get aaround 3k with a good autoclicker

[solid marsh]

Damn

[amber canyon]

Is that with Golden Earth? Or is that no longer a thing?

[quasi ivy]

i use it on the planet garden and u can click there contnuesly.. while in other places u cant for some reason

[amber canyon]

Mhm. I heard that the game's click limiter (?) didn't work in the planet garden / on Golden Earth so auto-clicking could be faster. Which is fine if you want entropy/Metabits. I go to Mars for ideas/knowledge.

[quasi ivy]

yep same

i use futuristic earth and it works there aswell

[north jackal]

Gng which stars i should unlock

[warm hill]

scorpio ( in my opinion )

[quasi ivy]

work on the ones that boost all generators first

[north jackal]

How much does it need

[quasi ivy]

scorpio prety sure

[warm hill]

17 I think?

[north jackal]

Im pretty new on cell too

Oh well i wonderrrrrrrrrr

[quasi ivy]

ah dw u will get used to it

[north jackal]

I need to farm slot

Im buns

So im just afk all day then take and upgrade around

[quasi ivy]

dw dw we all were at the beginning xd

[north jackal]

I just spent 500 dark matter on useless upgrade

[warm hill]

wdym useless

[quasi ivy]

what did you do

[north jackal]

Im upgrade sol speed instead other planet

And why the hell my friend can reach that far😭

[quasi ivy]

u will need the sun in episode 30 so its not that bad

[warm hill]

sol is not useless, I heard it's useful upgrading sol late game

[north jackal]

Bro..look at my friend

[quasi ivy]

they are still on e30 aswell nice

[north jackal]

She said she played this game for 4 years

Well

[quasi ivy]

i have played.. for 6 years..? im not sure

[north jackal]

I played this game

For

1 sec ago

[warm hill]

me too, but I reset my progress because I was getting bored

[quasi ivy]

tee hee dw eventually u will be where we are rn

[north jackal]

Well finally i can have a brain

[warm hill]

I still remember the old civ gardens

[north jackal]

Now i can thinkkkkkkkkkk

[quasi ivy]

yippie ideasss

[north jackal]

Ideal

[quasi ivy]

remember the old land garden?

[north jackal]

Why 67

[warm hill]

ahh no, I'm not that old

[quasi ivy]

damn u havent witnessed peak

[north jackal]

Is is that peak?

[quasi ivy]

it was so goofy

[north jackal]

Idk what i will do in cell now

[quasi ivy]

and the reptiles were put on the borders of the garden

[north jackal]

cough

I will go to limbus company abit

[quasi ivy]

maybe work on exploration events

if u dont have anything else to do rn

[warm hill]

I only remember the old ancient garden, middle garden, modern garden

[quasi ivy]

nicee

[dry cairn]

@zealous crystal we were wrong about completely ignoring the idea side.
We need to minimize idea side research, only buying whats necessary to unlock the next generator while buying as many idea side generators as possible.
This allows us to buy hundreds more humans while still keeping the number of knowledge fills low enough.

[solid marsh]

U unlock ideas at lv6 damn

[quasi ivy]

yep

[amber canyon]

Hmm. Gonna mull over that. And possibly Information Theory, and Ancient, Modern Future capacitors again. And their equivalents on the other side.

Could this be a use for the RE refund thing too?

[dry cairn]

If refund wasnt such a headache to use.

[amber canyon]

Restricting yourself to buying up the chain seems to make sense. I only plotted it up to Singularity, and that was a bit ago now.

[quasi ivy]

the only real use it has is if a price of node gets increased, u wil get the new price back which means profit

and if u didnt equally distribute the RE tokens

[amber canyon]

Not when I tested it. Unless it was an error in the displayed value 🤔.

[quasi ivy]

might be, i tested it on a copy of my acount and it did work there

[amber canyon]

Mind you ... If it does work, I'm grabbing back a couple of those IB XIs!

[quasi ivy]

yeah it got me like 50 UDc immidiatly

[dry cairn]

It works, you get back the current price, not how much you paid

[amber canyon]

And no loss either? I got meta-currency loss when I tried it.

[quasi ivy]

noice

[dry cairn]

Are you in an empty or full sim?

[solid marsh]

Empty

[amber canyon]

Me? I have one of each atm 😁.

[dry cairn]

Why is my brain thinking that matters.

[amber canyon]

... Minimising variables.

[dry cairn]

With this new Human Spark strategy we can double our knowledge!
Meaning Boson wont take 120 years, only 60 years 😂

[fathom stirrup]

What's the strategy?

[dry cairn]

Buying as many humans as possible before most of your knowledge fills happen. Still working on the details of the best way to do it

Due to the new Human Spark node in RE

[quasi ivy]

why did i get time outed for this....

[dry cairn]

Buff

[quasi ivy]

ah..

[dry cairn]

I was going to try each word individually and see which it was.
Guess its not that one

[quasi ivy]

im gen not sure which one it is then

[tawdry parrot]

now im done with beyond I dont really have to open the game every 2 hours anymore for red dwarfs...

[quasi ivy]

just in time phew

[dry cairn]

I still dont know which word it was when the bot timed me out. A couple months ago

[quasi ivy]

idk prob some random word that can be taken out of context

[dry cairn]

Update is also in my message that got censored

[quasi ivy]

hmmm

[dry cairn]

But I said it now

[quasi ivy]

yeah idk we should ask mods when they are here ig

[fathom stirrup]

Well that feels kinda intuitive to maximise human before investing in . What is the strategy with chips redistribution though?

[dry cairn]

havent tried the chips yet. I dont think it will work since it takes too much time to do that

[torpid minnow]

perhaps that typo you made with absolutely

[amber canyon]

I'll just buy this on the orange side, 'k?

[dry cairn]

While the Human Spark strategy can double your Knowledge, its not going to help people and is mostly for fun.
its only possible to do this in the extreme end game, and those people are only missing 1 node. That one node will still take 60 years to get even with this strategy.

we are just data nerds that enjoy this

[amber canyon]

Devs got a lot more levels planned. It's only endgame for now 😁

[quasi ivy]

yeah we better just wait for atomic age II

[surreal sigil]

Just a question but why is there 1,000.00 shouldn't it just be 1spt?

[dry cairn]

the game is weird like that sometimes.

[surreal sigil]

Ahhh fair

Im quite new but man i love the game i just noticed it >_>

[dry cairn]

it is an oddity. you'll see it in a few more places 😃

[quasi roost]

hiiii

i feel so roadlf today!!

Dance to ✨ le generate Qitg's ✨

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-dog-ai-gif-12041344661216578237

this ai video was made by the Singularity.

[amber canyon]

... Is Metabits TC2 locked behind something?

[quasi roost]

"are you winning, son?"

I guess so..

i hope to get progressive paleontologist

[rough axle]

How far are you down the center path? I think it requires one of these (but I’m not sure)

[dry cairn]

huh, good to know

[rough axle]

Also what kind of cursed save file is that

3e40 knowledge, 150 research chips, no capacitors 5e32 metabits ….

[dry cairn]

during a refund

[amber canyon]

Ah yeah, appeared around about Thermal Runaway.

[dry cairn]

@amber canyon what SPARKed the thought was seeing how many more humans I was instantly able to buy once I started unlocking the idea side.
Maximizing humans while minimizing knowledge fills means only buying whats necessary in the tree, which ive never done, lol
pre-idea. 1730 human = x5,588
mid-idea. 1860 human = x10,687
post-idea. 2019 human = x23,620

[amber canyon]

Mkay.

So entropy depends on
Any Civ via ||Information Theory.||
Specific Civs via ||Ancient, Modern, Future Capacitors.||
Singularities via ||Turing's Ghost, Moore's Mirage, Von Neumann's Nexus.||

I guess all these together (and any feedback loop through Civ RE nodes) make up the 20 OoM I saw while farming Humans.

[dry cairn]

wil have to fight the instinct to spam buy all Research. Better to buy in the tree itself I assume.

[quasi ivy]

ok guys

do yall want 5 extra research tokens

this may also be the case for the idea booster

but i dont feel like reseting again

whould be nice if any of yall could test that

[dry cairn]

i was told they fixed that so ever tried. I can check.

[amber canyon]

Tree buying is how I found it easier to speed run (not that I'm good at speed-running to Singularity). The route just has to be figured out and practiced.

[quasi ivy]

we alr know game speed got none and knowledge got 5 extra research chips if u max it

[amber canyon]

Same.

[quasi ivy]

which is 1 too few for a new doubler sadly

[quasi ivy]

yeah max out the knowledge side

u will get 5 extra tokens

[amber canyon]

That's why I said same? Or am I missing something?

[quasi ivy]

oh i mean in the picture it doesnt show ur knowledge part of the tree being fully upgraded xd

and with that i mean the knowledge booster

[amber canyon]

It shows NLG VIII missing though. So it didn't hang around like the others.

[quasi ivy]

oh like that

yeah thats not what i ment

its more like cuz u didnt buy it yet

u need to max out the knowledge booster to get it, which is only possible if u refund the simulation speed upgrade if u had it maxed

[broken forge]

Whats the update after crustaceans?

[quasi ivy]

we dont know yet

[rough axle]

No one knows

Likely atomic age 2

[amber canyon]

I know I can't see it, and haven't bought it.

What I'm saying is that because it's not visible like the other NL nodes in the snip; it will appear and I will be able to buy it and get the chips.

[quasi ivy]

oh yeah

[broken forge]

We need a mezozoic valley reboot upsate imedditaly. Its so plain and boring. Ignore my English. We need more dinos and side quests. If lunch is reading this, please think aboit it

[quasi ivy]

can u perhaps check the idea booster side to see if theres any new next level nodes there

[amber canyon]

No we don't. The Devs should spend their time on new stuff not rehashing Meso. Meso - even if prettified - will still be boring and tedious.

[broken forge]

Like what. Eventually there will be nothing left for the primary simulation

[clear zenith]

Hey @graceful fiber can you please delete your message in #🏆-share-your-prestige as it has beta content in it? Thanks.

[quasi ivy]

we still got allot of stuff to go

[broken forge]

Like what

[amber canyon]

The Devs have another ||80-odd|| levels planned. At least. There's the whole world to pick from.

[broken forge]

And what after that

[graceful fiber]

sorry

[clear zenith]

No worries

[rough axle]

Dataminers have exposed at least 8 more updates after crustacean

[quasi ivy]

insects, spiders and creatures alike, plants, primordial soup rework... civ II updates, QOL, beyond prestiges

[amber canyon]

You think the Devs will run out when they have the whole world to pick from? Dude, have some imagination.

[broken forge]

Has the content been revealed?

[rough axle]

Not officially. But it exists in the game files already

[broken forge]

What content is in the files?

[rough axle]

I can’t tell you

That’s against the server rules

[quasi ivy]

if we are getting a meso update, its prob gonna at the fastest in 2 years

[broken forge]

Oh ok

[amber canyon]

Anyway. Putting that to one side. Imo, prettifying Meso is not going to bring in new players. And they can't change much, because of people that have finished it

[quasi ivy]

meso is fine

i think primordial soup needs more attention

it is where u start in the end

[broken forge]

Will there ever be a new side simulation?

[quasi ivy]

they have slightly hinted to one

but no confirmation

[broken forge]

How?

[amber canyon]

Who knows. I don't know the future.

[quasi ivy]

Q&A

[broken forge]

On their yt?

[quasi ivy]

they were saying they had bigger plans for chemistry for example

could be a hint to a new side simulation

[broken forge]

Ohhhh ok

[amber canyon]

I thought it was more of a 'nooooo ...', than hinting to one myself.

(when they were asked directly)

[broken forge]

Are the explore events done?

[polar viper]

#🏆-share-your-prestige message
@shell torrent just cheat some more. you already traveled in time for ~42 years

[broken forge]

Alright thanks

[amber canyon]

The Devs have neither confirmed nor denied.

[quaint quest]

Hey guys

[quasi ivy]

i mean what whould be bigger then an exploration event as we suggested an exploration event for chemistry and they said they had bigger plans for it

[quasi ivy]

shameless cheatersss

[dry cairn]

there has to be something other than only Primary Sim updates coming.
so more explore events or eventually another sim.

[clear zenith]

Well I feel like the rest of civ II doesn't really need to be leaked lol

Seems obvious

[rough axle]

Interestingly there’s only been leaks for atomic, info, and emergent

[amber canyon]

I don't know. Maybe the ||return of the space-colonist|| stuff. Cos that could be very chemistry based.

But they seemed set back about the idea of a whole new simulation.

[quasi ivy]

good cuz i do not want to get spoiled for singularity II

[rough axle]

If there’s plans for a singularity 2, it either isn’t even in the files yet, or the dataminers were kind enough not to spoil that one in particular

[quasi ivy]

yeah... i do think we are getting singularity II though

[clear zenith]

Can we get Singularity achievements first? Lol

[rough axle]

Same can be said for Martian stuff

[quasi ivy]

means cyborgs and android branches could come back after that aswell and implemented allot better

[rough axle]

They were actually in the game for like one or two betas and removed

[broken forge]

Humans need a bit more content imo

Idk how mabye expanded evolution information

[clear zenith]

What happened? 😭

[amber canyon]

The Devs basically said they ||didn't fit the story they were telling (as they were)|| or something like that.

[broken forge]

Do yiu ever think they will focus on history? As in eons of history like wars and all?

[quasi ivy]

humans need a bit of an update but they are mainly fine cuz they branch to the idea side

[amber canyon]

Have you played the Civilisation tree?

[rough axle]

May I introduce you to the entire second half of the primary simulation

[clear zenith]

...and how long ago was this?

[broken forge]

I mean actual wars

[rough axle]

4 months

[clear zenith]

Oh okay

[rough axle]

During scirev beta

[quasi ivy]

prob during the civ II updates of the coming periods and maybe an exploration event

[clear zenith]

Probably not because that can get messy and political and they try to stay away from that

[amber canyon]

... the game isn't a war simulator. What are you wanting?

[rough axle]

A war event is a very common request

[clear zenith]

True

[broken forge]

I mean a eve t

[quasi ivy]

whouldnt be suprised if thats the next exploration event

[broken forge]

Idk if it would work but ideology.

[amber canyon]

Devs would be brave to touch that subject.

[broken forge]

Nvm that would be way too political

[clear zenith]

I bet it won't be

[amber canyon]

I'm surprised they considered the ||REDACTED|| potential event.

[clear zenith]

The what

[amber canyon]

||READACTED||. IF I told you, I'd have to kill you 😁.

[clear zenith]

Thank you for clarifying lol

[rough axle]

https://tenor.com/view/no-witnesses-erase-memory-forget-gif-20806865

[broken forge]

If thats what I think it is

[rough axle]

What do you think it is

[broken forge]

I am not going to say

I dont want to get banned lol

[rough axle]

https://tenor.com/view/doakes-james-doakes-dexter-jamss-doaxes-staring-when-you-know-gif-10152841660313287334

Ok

[amber canyon]

<@&535129309648781332> scam

[hollow pelican]

Nah I'm good brotha

[primal stump]

!ban 1359266103406104788 crypto scammer

[hollow pelican]

different layout ehh

[bright otter]

Banned kukiryu09_69505 (Case #4591) (user notified with a direct message)

[tawdry parrot]

missed the scammer D:

When can we expect the body event again? (the one with the organs)

[polar viper]

5-6 weeks

next week should be: cats/ki
then: math/extinction
then: fish/art
then: covid/cheese
then: music/shrooms
and then body

[amber canyon]

This is all correct btw.

You might want to change the colour of the arrow coming out of ||Hubble's Successor, and a few other arrows at the top left to fix||.

Tested with only 1x each generator, apart from Development (where I now have x26 apparently .. I guess I bought some this morning accidentally?).

[frigid adder]

& there's no longer going to be Extinction event anymore

[polar viper]

pretty sure they added it back into the rotation

[tawdry parrot]

crazy

saving up darwinium so that when my infinity pass runs out I can buy boost for events with it

the more badges I get the less darwinium I need for each event

[polar viper]

im planning that too

but after IP runs out i miss all the convenience and buy it again after 2h

[tawdry parrot]

lol

I have to

cant keep spending

[polar viper]

scrap the netflix abo

priorities

[fathom stirrup]

I renewed my prescription 15min before the offer run out

[clear zenith]

Of course you did

[polar viper]

lets be honest. IP is way too expensive, but ads are even worse

[clear zenith]

Or being on Steam

[polar viper]

yep

[clear zenith]

I wonder how much ComputerLunch makes per ad

[rough axle]

IP is technically only 5 dollars if you subtract the bonus Darwinium

I wish you could buy it seperately

[polar viper]

[amber canyon]

#💬-cells-chat message

[polar viper]

i would totally go for the non variant.
dont have a use for the darwinium anyways.
(without IP i would have a use tho)

[amber canyon]

Separately, or a one-off payment for life.

[polar viper]

life long IP 👀

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-and-take-my-money-money-futurama-gif-6882124657810317443

[forest anchor]

W lunch ❤️

☁️

[polar viper]

beebots are the best ones

[amber canyon]

Briefly thought that was a crytpto scam 👀

[rough axle]

For now (:

[dry cairn]

I've gotten accustomed to it. Doing whatever else (eating, working, watching tv, playing on the computer) while clicking next ad on the phone every 30 seconds or so to refill the boosts.

[amber canyon]

Every 30 seconds ... Except when you get distracted, and hours have passed 😁

[dry cairn]

very true. you quickly learn that if you stay in the same ad for more than 2.5 minutes, you get the "offline bonus" screen when you get back to the game, lol

[fathom stirrup]

Which instinctively you click watch and add to double it!

[hollow pelican]

Wait what

[forest anchor]

I need this cloud pfp decor

[hollow pelican]

Lunch really likes clouds now

is this a sign that there will be an atmosphere event?

or maybe a cloud event

[forest anchor]

Hell yeah 🔥❤️👍

[clear zenith]

So let's see if I can math...
3 cents made per ad
For one sim, keeping the 4x boost for 31 days is 186 ads (24 hours times 31 days divided by the four hours each ad gives) which is $5.58 they earn, times five (four sims and research missions) is $27.90. That's not even counting Quantum Charges, stone geodes, or dwarves

So either I'm mathing wrong (very likely) or CL is making less money from IP than they are from someone who watches all the ads

[polar viper]

but noone watches all the ads.
only ads worth it are event and maybe beyond research

[clear zenith]

Oh I'm no one then

Except I don't watch all the quantum charges

[polar viper]

wait u boost the sims itself?

[clear zenith]

Uh

Yeah

[polar viper]

makes like no dif for me to boost primary or not

[clear zenith]

I'm 4xing all of them

[polar viper]

and meso/beyond im done

[clear zenith]

So it depends on circumstances I suppose

[polar viper]

primary is just special because entropy/ideas translate so poorly to knowledge/metabits, boost or not

• empty sim

[clear zenith]

Plus empty sim absolutely

[amber canyon]

I don't keep ad boost going during Empty Sim.
I do for events (which is normally the last 3-12 hours.
I keep it going for Meso because I decide when I'm done with collecting ||gigas|| (I want 5 more 🙂).
I do for Beyond, cos I haven't decided on my target yet.

[polar viper]

you want pi gigas

[forest anchor]

Would giga become tera after 1000 of them? /j

[sturdy badge]

What is empty sim?

[rough axle]

#💬-beta-chat message

[surreal sigil]

what should i prioritise in the engine?

[amber canyon]

After restarting your universe in primary, you don't buy any generators or do anything until the ||Time Chambers are maxed||. Doing this means the ||maxed TC multiplier applies to every Metabit and knowledge fill you earn. It makes you earn over x1k more (if you have all the TCs and Amplifiers||.

[sturdy badge]

I assume you need alot more time chambers to make it worth it

[amber canyon]

Def one of the ||Metabit/knowledge TCs, preferably two. If you only have entropy/idea TCs|| it's worthless.

[sturdy badge]

i have one ||metabit one||

[amber canyon]

Prob not worth it then. Oh and you need the ||Amplifiers|| for it to be as effective as I said.

[polar viper]

not worth it so early, you get so much other boosts faster than waiting 1-2weeks

[sturdy badge]

the || amplifiers are kind of op||

[amber canyon]

Believe it or not, this strategy has been heavily nerfed 😁.

[sturdy badge]

curentlly i need lv 19

[amber canyon]

Def a long way from Empty Sim.

[sturdy badge]

ascenstral ascension
is really good bec it takes so long to get to modern

[amber canyon]

Probably? It's been a while since I was early game (~1 year), so can't remember the detail. That will speed up. You can check the stats tab in the RE for what is earning you the most though.

[sturdy badge]

i got to lv 8 before getting ot real modern

[fallen sand]

The conclusion I draw from this is that if you have Entropy upgrades left to get, it's probably worth waiting for them unless they would increase your pre-max time by an OoM or so

[fallen sand]

I saw you mention this before but I'm still skeptical of how possible it is because of how quickly the fills happen

[dry cairn]

There just isn't any other way.
it would take weeks of doing entropy only to get the number of humans you get to in 1 minute after opening up the idea side.

so while not perfect since some fills are happening
its still noticeably better.

[fallen sand]

Fair enough. I suppose I need to see the curve of knowledge vs fills to convince myself

[polar viper]

dont we talk about something like 1k vs 2k humans?

like no min maxing vs min maxing the humans

maybe even less difference

so not worth the hassle. its like not even 2x more knowledge.

considering boson amplifier takes years anyways with current patch

and after next idea patch its done in 2 mins

[dry cairn]

the quick and lazy way of not forgetting to buy more humans a couple times during that 1 minute of doing the idea tree = about 33% more knowledge.
the min/max ocd way of getting as many idea generators as possible while buying as little idea research as possible = 2x more knowledge.

[amber canyon]

Which could get you to one of the meaty nodes.

For example, could get me to Reality Continuum

[dry cairn]

each 14 day empty sim gets me 1 level of Idea Booster XI. so basically nothing

[polar viper]

just small psa: you could be done already, if you could find the reboot button

[amber canyon]

Pfui. Increase my reboot count unnecessarily?

[polar viper]

yes

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-darkside-star-wars-evil-innerme-gif-14818845

[amber canyon]

Also, why rush to the end ... It's boring there 🙂.

[dry cairn]

i think he meant refund, not reboot

I should go to 1 quick run on my 2nd account that I have for no reason.

[polar viper]

i ment the simulation upgrade button. cant see it atm 😄

[coarse haven]

Hi

[dry cairn]

I'm curious at what RL its no longer possible to gain at least 1 level per day with casual play.
I think the answer is 40

[amber canyon]

||from Chrisrin yt video||

[dry cairn]

im in the 50's. You're safe to do a couple 😀

[lone bronze]

COME ON JUST 2E174 MORE

FLAT UNIVERSE HERE I COME

[merry terrace]

what should i get with my logits?

[polar viper]

Go from cheap to expensive

[dry cairn]

agree, every time you can afford something in there, buy it.

[lofty galleon]

I am not dead

[fathom stirrup]

Great Volcano in Meso simulation.

[amber canyon]

I have finished this cursed run of JWST 😁

[rough axle]

https://tenor.com/view/what-is-wrong-with-you-why-are-you-blue-what-is-wrong-with-you-why-are-you-blue-brba-breaking-bad-gif-26777019

[fathom stirrup]

That deserves a Nora Award!

[clear zenith]

The pursuit of knowledge

[amber canyon]

It is definitely Nora's fault. Don't blame me 😁.

[solid marsh]

Goodnight

[unborn mesa]

my main simulation is SO

slow

like, one nvg takes me around 15 minutes, EACH (I need neoaves next)

[junior adder]

Hey, I was wondering If i can get any other tap for idea upgrade on the knowledge tree

like this

on the information age

So i could focus on that

[dry cairn]

yes, theres multiple more after that.
I like those, they always give a nice boost.

[sturdy badge]

Those are good

[unborn mesa]

hii

[dry cairn]

@primal stump while technically not a bug, we are curious if its an intentional choice or a mispricing by the devs that Boson Amplifier is unobtainable. If someone has everything else in the Reality Engine, max badges, etc. it will still take 60 years to get.

[fathom stirrup]

That's proper dedication!

[amber canyon]

Still not as long as maxxing a gold or silver trait level in Beyond.

[fathom stirrup]

That could be worked around innit?

[polar viper]

Seems like 15.500day cheating is still not enough to get jester in #🏆-share-your-prestige

People try so hard

But they never succeed

[fallen sand]

I'm still at least a week away from finishing E25 in Beyond

I started it at the beginning of last month 😭

[dry cairn]

not to keep bringing up this semi-useless Human Spark strategy...
There is a post on Reddit saying to only do the first 3 generators (stone age, neolithic, bronze age)
to get ancient accelerator, ancient capacitor, and information theory going, without causing too many fills.

[fathom stirrup]

Oh boi will we even be there when you reach Flat Universe stretch?

[fallen sand]

As far as I'm concerned E30 is but a myth

[polar viper]

You are still a baby

[amber canyon]

The wiki says you need ~44k cards to fully rank the gold / silver traits - https://cell-to-singularity.fandom.com/wiki/Beyond#Upgrade_Requirements

I've been playing 1.75 years and my highest Gold is 23 cards into level 6 (111 cards).

It is completely unnecessary for finishing Beyond. But technically it could be done. Generationally speaking. Possibly passing accounts to future civilisations.

[fallen sand]

Just swipe your card 💳

It's 44k cards, Kf. What could it cost, $10?

[dry cairn]

could max those 7 common cards that have the 10x drop rate modifier.

[amber canyon]

I was contemplating minimising the non-useful life buys on the entropy side, to keep the Civ nodes that depend on them down (I assume there are some).

[polar viper]

2 gold cards per black hole. So 22k black holes * number of gold cards

[amber canyon]

No, you. 😁.

[polar viper]

So 2.200.000 darwinium for one

[amber canyon]

Sure. If you want to take the easy route ...

[dry cairn]

i sense a banana stand reference.

[fallen sand]

Just Propagation Capacitor, I think? You're far more likely to hamstring your Humans with the lack of Primordial/Land/Ocean Capacitor that boosts Entropy

[amber canyon]

Are you considering gaming the RNG? or abusing ||Test flight beta||?

[polar viper]

So only 35k $ for 22k bh.
Seems doable kf. Just need to forfeit any other mortal possession

Work 1 year and get one gold card in beyond to lvl 20

[amber canyon]

Bet you could get a bulk discount on that much DW.

[dry cairn]

I think for siginificantly less $$, we could bribe the devs for a test account that has infinite of all currencies.

[polar viper]

But WE want it on live

[fallen sand]

Yeah, if it's only for testing you may as well do it the 'free' way

[polar viper]

No Beta account

[amber canyon]

Can't be me then: my account's beta-tagged.

[polar viper]

Maybe Tesco knows a way

[fallen sand]

It should be fairly trivial. The problem has always been the risk of getting your account flagged, that's all

[amber canyon]

Well, we all know the way. It's just not wanting to do it.

[amber canyon]

Magic should let you see how to avoid that pitfall.

[fallen sand]

I think the anti-cheat is relatively sophisticated, tbh

It's easy to cheat. It's not impossible to cheat without getting caught, but imo it's way too much effort

And that ignores any server-side anti-cheat which is unlikely but always possilbe

So...don't cheat, folks

[amber canyon]

And - when it comes down to it - I want to play the game. And cheating isn't playing it.

[dry cairn]

hmm, like when I gave myself moded guns in Borderlands and could kill any boss in 1 second, which caused me to lost all interest in playing the game anymore.