💬-cells-chat

[sudden dome]

did i scare ya?

[torpid moss]

i think i have bought these, and i spent the research chips on entropy since its the most important one for me but knowledge is also important

[torpid moss]

https://klipy.com/gifs/job-jumpscare-job-application

[sudden dome]

would it?

[hollow pelican]

You get free boosts from just waiting, gives the best boost for metabits and knowledge too (recommended for mid-game and end/late-game player)

[primal stump]

https://tenor.com/view/cinderella-fairy-godmother-magic-bippity-boppity-boo-gif-10166871000031861292

[fluid delta]

Mind you, in my case, in a practical sense, it doesn't actually matter, since I have all of RE tree. But there's literally no advantage to updating yet.. so I haven't.

[primal stump]

it's only for the first time

[hollow pelican]

Bro get his Jester role revoked

[torpid moss]

ooooh

[sudden dome]

i mean i think it would since its like buying the real money darwinium microtransactions but for free

is that called fraud

or smth

[torpid moss]

should i save up for the time chamber for 2b metabits? its the one that semblance is recommending me

[primal stump]

If he does the same mistake... he will have that role forever

[torpid moss]

[clear zenith]

In that channel, the mods assign Discord roles based on the in-game process shown in people's screenshots. They use those emojis to keep track of their progress, so reacting with those can mess things up

[hollow pelican]

it's up to you actually
oh and stay tuned for the Jester update

[torpid moss]

damn i wish to be at the level of the space/advanced civilization, it seems so cool and fun

[torpid moss]

jester update?

[hollow pelican]

revamped cheat detection system

the only legal info I could give you

the rest is private

[torpid moss]

anything beyond singularity?

bro

please

[quasi ivy]

the jester update is goated

[torpid moss]

can i finish the g ame BEFORE this update

[clear zenith]

There is no real end, but I'm not optimistic myself about hitting the cap before it (supposedly) drops next month

In primary, I suppose it's possible. In Beyond? Not a chance I'm reaching the current max before the next episode releases

I'm at 19/29 rn but the last few episodes take a while from what I've heard

[sudden dome]

i hope e30 update buffs e29 generators

[clear zenith]

Meso I could easily get through in a few days if I put my mind to it

[tawdry parrot]

will the new anticheat make it possible for me to get top 10 with a single run again?

[clear zenith]

Absolutely. It's sounding pretty impossible rn

[fluid delta]

Absolutely they should. Will they? I sure hope so.

[sudden dome]

did anyone finish the beyond tho?

[fluid delta]

B29? Sure. Lots. Bc we did it immediately when it dropped, only took a few hours. This was pre-nerf.

[fathom stirrup]

last requirement now looks very terryfying 😄

[hollow pelican]

it's just a revamped cheat detection system, nothing is changed

[fiery linden]

Like time travel?

How do I have jester?

[fathom stirrup]

probably cheater

[clear zenith]

Time travel's already detected tmk

[fathom stirrup]

[clear zenith]

That or reacting in #🏆-share-your-prestige

[fiery linden]

I did react I think

[fathom stirrup]

ok, that is more likely 🙂

[clear zenith]

By far. I'm pretty sure the mods have to notice you cheating/reacting to assign the role, and I'd assume the reacting is more noticeable

There are people in this server that I'm almost certain have cheated, but are jester-free

[fiery linden]

I get to be a clown I guess

Just like irl

[fathom stirrup]

Enjoy

I can't stand the waiting game...5days must be enough

[fringe shale]

Same here for some reason

[hollow pelican]

What Research Levels are you right now?

because I think I find the best sim strat (by approximation) for each level
1 day for level 10-14 is enough
2 days for level 20-23 is enough....
40-50+ is 14 days or else it won't be worth it

[fathom stirrup]

49, - I don't have 4th Idea Time Chamber purchased and 2nd Knowledge Time Chamber visible yet... I don't want to spend too much time "waiting"

[hollow pelican]

Well it's okay then for you

[acoustic jolt]

My butt here working on achivemnts and filling out the Mollusk branch with low-count runs to bulk up my RE tree:

[trim eagle]

I GODDAMN LOVE THE EXTINCTION EVENT

C2S TEAM, MAKE EXTINCTION 2 EVENT, AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[sudden dome]

intinction

[trim eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-god-of-war-rage-gif-25979591

[sudden dome]

cool eyes in your pfp

[sudden dome]

no one ever talks about gray eyes 😔

[trim eagle]

PLEASE C2S TEAM, MAKE AN EVENT ABOUT THE UNKNOWN SPECIES

[amber canyon]

Is a known bug (in the wiki) and has been for some time.

Is not why most / some of the people who have 1000s, have 1000s. There are other ways.

Would it be cheating? Your call 🤷.

FWIW, I inadvertently benefitted from it. Once I realised, I don't seek it out.

[thin notch]

C2S feels good once i realized that i don't truly need to get the last badge for events

TWO TIMES

What

[amber canyon]

<@&535129309648781332> crypto scam

X2!

[hollow haven]

!ban 440824911288598550 scam

[bright otter]

Banned sehakyu (Case #4394) (user notified with a direct message)

[hollow haven]

!ban 839747499573248040 scam

[bright otter]

Banned hiderrs (Case #4395) (user notified with a direct message)

[amber canyon]

Thanks!

[thin notch]

Hey those Discord badges have Linked icon

Are those before the manual again

[hollow pelican]

Better than when I didn't get the Dodo achievement and the Cryptids badge that only appears yearly, TWICE in a ROW

-# I'm trying to make it not feel rude as possible

[upbeat meteor]

I can do that??

How did this knowledge didn't bless my mind

[amber canyon]

One if the times I played Cryptids I missed the badge too. Ran out of time. Mini-event, my ***.

[amber canyon]

Because you never looked at the wiki's bugs page? 🤷

[upbeat meteor]

True

Me getting ready on all my devices after this:

[amber canyon]

You might want to check the wiki's bugs page. Or not. Your call.

[upbeat meteor]

Is there some hidden key or something 😭

Or a welcome to divison #666 catch?

[clear zenith]

I believe the only bug on the wiki page that notes any consequences is time traveling

[hollow pelican]

I just found this funny

[gray yew]

Well, that was quick.

[gray yew]

It's like the size of a regular event (more or less), but feels different somehow.

That reminds me: At some point or another, I need to make an idea for a Cryptid garden.
I've got the in-head visualisation: Now I need to make it real. On PowerPoint or smthn.

[clear zenith]

aww does it not have a garden? darn

[gray yew]

nup

[thin notch]

The two Times was for the crypto scam lol

[dense mango]

guys do you know if it's possible to get an alt on the game?

[clear zenith]

as in a second account? if you have another email you can link it to, sure

[dense mango]

purely to get the new experience from the beginning, because after the update of the whole reality engine idk how the early game works now

[dense mango]

oh yeah? also I'm playing on mobile x)

[clear zenith]

have you made an account in-game before? because it's the same regardless of device

[dense mango]

idk if that changes anything

[dense mango]

I do have a username and account ID

[clear zenith]

so yeah, if you make a second account, you can have a second save file

[dense mango]

cool, ok!

[amber canyon]

You can enter an event and look around without joining a div btw. It assigns a div when you start collecting things.

I've used this to e.g. load up on boost when I had an Infinity Pass.

[dense mango]

load up on boost?

[amber canyon]

The x2 / X4 income that you can watch ads / pay DW / use IP for.

[dense mango]

oh so you just wanted to boost before betting onto a division? seems like that doesn't save u time tbh

[amber canyon]

I had an IP that was going to run out before I wanted to start the event. It saved me watching some ads. Not a big time save, but welcome.

[dense mango]

oh yeah I get you

ok

[amber canyon]

For Steam players, it would save them DW: much more valuable 😁

[clear zenith]

I've been wondering about that for a while thank you

[dense mango]

how do I dc from one account to make a new one tho? I've tried a whole lotta stuff in the settings but it doesn't work

[amber canyon]

I installed cells on a different device. It gave me a new ID. I just created a new cells login and password. You might want to not link the new account with Google Play: I had some oddities.

[dense mango]

yeah ig.... but i'd like it to just be like an alt, where I can switch an any moment

[clear zenith]

if you go to the save manager and press "linked", there's a sign out button

from there I'd assume it's as easy as deleting your save and creating a new account

[dense mango]

deleting the save? would the progress still be conserved somewhere

[amber canyon]

On the same device: make sure your current account is up to date (if you haven't already MAKE A CELLS ACCOUNT USING CROSS-PLATFORM SAVE and upload the save file). Then uninstall cells and reinstall it to get a new ID (and get it it's own cells account).

To switch, log out, log in, download cross-platform save file.

[amber canyon]

Cross-platform save. If you've set it up.

[dense mango]

normally I have linked an account to my mail, but for some reason when I log out the progress is still there

so idk, I'm scared it didn't save there and as a result nothing changed

[amber canyon]

Yup. The cross-platform save us mainly so you can open your save in another device. You can carry on playing while logged out.

[fallen sand]

Is Beyond 24 known to be pretty slow, or did I just get unlucky with cards?

[amber canyon]

It is extremely useful to use for a reliable back-up though. Especially if you want multiple accounts.

[dense mango]

so if I delete the save while being logged out, the save still remains in the cloud or smt?

[dense mango]

beyond is always super slow idk what ur talking about lol 😂

[fallen sand]

'Cause 21-23 felt like it went by pretty quickly but I'm looking at >1d till the next generator and it's not better than what I have known

[amber canyon]

If you're not logged in to cross-platform save, nothing you do can or will affect it.

[amber canyon]

Can't remember, sorry.

[fallen sand]

Like, I'm looking at my best generator taking over a week to earn back the startdust invested for +1 level

[dense mango]

hm idk, make more stars with the telescope ig...

also try to get the latest constellation

[dense mango]

huh, I logged out of cross-platform save but apparently I'm still logged in to the cells account... does that change anything?

[fallen sand]

Ah, maybe that's it. I'm saving up for Hercules (and then Ophi) so I haven't gotten any new ones in a while
Probably been carried by Perseus until now

[dense mango]

lol

but still, a couple more card levels should do the job too

make more stars with reasearch

[amber canyon]

If you've logged out, you should see this. So you're not logged in to cross-platform save any more

[fallen sand]

Yeah, I suppose I underestimated that. Every +1 card is x2, multiplicative
So +1/+1 is x4

[fallen sand]

Still only have 1 White Dwarf mission available, and relevant rewards from Red Dwarfs are vanishingly rare

[dense mango]

yeah red dwarfs suck at 24

personally I'm always at max so idk

[fallen sand]

Good to know where I'm at, anyway

[dense mango]

yeah, just one card upgrade sets u up good

also try to do all the tasks u can do

[dense mango]

max is 29 for now lol

[fallen sand]

Oof, that's gonna take some time

[dense mango]

😫

[amber canyon]

It did take some time to grow a universe 😁

[dense mango]

fr, longer than your life at least

[fallen sand]

I've got 2 White Dwarfs rewards in immediate missions, but they take about as long as the WD research anyway 🤷‍♀️

[amber canyon]

Hopefully you'll be done in less than 5 billion years.

[fallen sand]

Oof, reminds me of Fundamental. That game was s l o w

Ooh, Extinction event!

Oh, and the music is Lacrimosa!

And it seems to be mono-currency!

I don't recall Ocean but this is surely much better than that would've been

[gray yew]

||You're wrong.||

Sort of.

[fallen sand]

Is it only a cosmetic change?

[gray yew]

Yeah.

It's the one currency, but with ||eight|| different forms.

[gray yew]

k

Also, prepare to ||kill most things on Earth. Repeatedly.||

[fallen sand]

Oh, I saw something about a ||achievement||. How badly is doing that going to handicap me?

[gray yew]

Which ||achievement||?

[gray yew]

And it sorta depends on your LUCA quantities.

Okay there's also boosting and stuff to consider, but for the most part, it's LUCA.

[fallen sand]

Hmm, maybe I misunderstood

But that sounds like what I was referring to, and seems vaguely familiar besides

But in the meantime, this is pretty neat~

[gray yew]

SPOILER
||Your generators will go kaput repeatedly. Except for LUCA.||

[fallen sand]

Oh, interesting

[gray yew]

also this makes me think of the event for some reason
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jjT4AjTUMA

[fallen sand]

For some reason I thought you ||kept purchased LUCA but lost the ability to make more|| at some point

[gray yew]

Well, mind if I explain how it works in this event?

[fallen sand]

Sure, go ahead

[gray yew]

ahem

[fallen sand]

This reminds about the GPlates project I've been procrastinating on 😓

[dense mango]

anyway honestly the research events are kinda boring to me since you have to DW your way into the top 10 or never be able to finish the whole thing...

[fallen sand]

Finishing is a lot easier with boost (from pass/ads) or with badges from prior attempts. I usually have neither and cap at around 90% completion 🙁

[gray yew]

• ||You buy LUCA to begin with||
• ||You soon buy another generator, and can buy a Species-changing research, eventually (which makes the new generator more efficient, and just makes the Species look cooler)||
• ||Buy more nodes for the new generator||
• ||Buy a mass extinction, which makes LUCA much more powerful, but also drains your Species bank dry and kills the new generator dead. It's totally worthless now.||
• ||Buy another new generator.||
• ||Repeat.||

[grim halo]

yh, I managed to finish the math event but mainly because I had a lot of darwinium to buy the 1-hour jumps

[fallen sand]

But your leaderboard placement depends more on your starrt timing than anything else tbh

[gray yew]

true

[dense mango]

only beyond 30+ is really what I'm looking forward to in the research tab*

[grim halo]

30+

[dense mango]

yeah, it's teased in the tab below

[grim halo]

will there even be anything after 30? pretty sure 31 is scrapped and after the prestige there will be nothing

oh

[dense mango]

it will be in the research tab as an event

lemme take a screen rq

oh I forgot I'm on a new acc lol

[amber canyon]

Really? I think it's more playing more effectively than others.

[gray yew]

Or both!

[dense mango]

it's both since ur div depends on the time you joined and how pay-to-win u are compared to other contestans lol

[fallen sand]

I mean, that's a factor
But I can tell you that playing relatively close to optimal can get me anywhere from top 500 to top 150

Depending entirely on when I started

[timid pine]

question... the missions i do on uhm... the "planet world" (like increase profit, reduce cost) takes 18 hours.. they persist right?

[clear zenith]

it depends a lot, but as someone who has only done most of these missions once, I was able to get top 50 or 100 in most of them if I got a division above 100

[gray yew]

wdym "persist"?

[amber canyon]

Possibly. With ~300 divs per 3.5 day event that's divs taking on average ~20 mins to fill up. I think playing better is likely far more critical than if you started early/late in the div.

I understand that middle divs will take longer to fill. But still.

[lament temple]

What constellations are best?

• Find the constellation that boosts your most effective generators. If you can fully afford it, do so, unless you're moving on to a new objective soon (because new objectives may grant new generators that are more powerful).
• Here are common significant constellations in each phase:
• Phase 1: Scorpio, Gemini, Aquarius, Aries
• Phase 2: Eridanus, Canis Major, Perseus, Hercules, Ophiuchus
• If you have unlocked all the desired constellations, assemble Argo Navis for something special. ;)

Tips and Tricks • Requested by Pirate

[gray yew]

k

[fallen sand]

A simple greedy algorithm of "next most cost-effective purchase" results in delaying upgrades for a couple extra generators sometimes, but is otherwise pretty close to the optimal pathing

[timid pine]

between extinction events (resets) or whatever its called.

[grim halo]

I've got a screen of ep31 from some low-quality video but im not sure if it can be sent here

[gray yew]

You mean beyond or the extinction event?

[timid pine]

oh its called beyond.

[gray yew]

yeah that

[dense mango]

I once joined 10 mins after release and I was in div 72 already 😭

[gray yew]

i dont know about missions to increase profits

[fallen sand]

Any missions in progress should continue after upgrade/prestige

[gray yew]

but decreasing cost
yeah
those are permanent

[fallen sand]

The rewards are permanent (cards, cost reduction, constellation fragments, dark matter)

[timid pine]

do beyond also have a prestige system once you hit 50 (or some number) like dinosaurs or main simulation has?

[gray yew]

well i guess the red dwarf missions and that increae profits if you get cards

[grim halo]

not yet

[gray yew]

No. Yet. Possibly.

[amber canyon]

Oh. I read this as start relative to others in a div. Not overall start time.

[gray yew]

And it only goes up to 29 so far.

[timid pine]

i mean im super far away so its not a big deal.

mostly curious! :D

[gray yew]

k

[timid pine]

im at like... 5 or 4 :D

[dense mango]

I still remeber when max was 26 🥲

[timid pine]

i remember way back 1 minute ago when max was 29.

[fallen sand]

But you won't be able to start a new research post-prestige unless you re-qualify for it.
So e.g. if a research that reduces the cost of a planet is in-progress when you prestige, it will continue after prestige and you can claim the reward. But you can't start the next level of it until you progress back to the point where that research unlocks again

[dense mango]

good ol times

[fallen sand]

Yeah, that's it. There's a whole meta-strategy about the best time to 'start' the event so as to get a favorable div (of sub-optimal players, making your performance relatively superb)

[timid pine]

ok time to sync my save so i can play on phone and pc.

[fallen sand]

Like, the players that start right away are more likely to be actively engaged than those that happen to open some random time later

[amber canyon]

Yeah, I just took that as a given, and thought we were discussing a more detailed thing.

[dense mango]

yeah so it's easier to get to a higher spot with less DW

[amber canyon]

More likely to have programmed their devices to play the game for them imo 🤣.

[fallen sand]

I've thought about it for repeat events, tbh

If I had finished verifying optimal paths I might have, but it turns out that permutation search space grows rather quickly and I didn't feel like optimizing that subroutine so I dropped it

[amber canyon]

There can NOT be THAT many players willing to play that hard for every event. Over and over again. Right?

[fallen sand]

Don't 'empty' divisons get filled by bots until real players join?

[gray yew]

I remember when it was 17

[dense mango]

zam

[fallen sand]

Unless something got nerfed new players should be able to 100% this one, since I did in the past

[amber canyon]

I think there are placeholder players. I'm not sure they're bots.

But I fully believe many players of this game could and would program their devices 😁

[fallen sand]

Mmm, I think it's a simulated score representing a spread of performances generated by C2S

[dense mango]

program?

[dense mango]

maybe...

[amber canyon]

I guess I mean I think the fake players from CL are static scores, not changing.

[fallen sand]

C2S is a lot closer to 'solved' than similar games because of the relative lack of choice complexity, so a preset path is pretty easy to determine and deploy

[loud kite]

I've been using missions to gen RED DWARF I, what are they used for? I still haven't figured it out

[fallen sand]

Like, I've 'botted' (AHK script) spam resets for other games because clicking the same 30 spots in a minute hundreds of times gets old really quickly

[dense mango]

no, because in the math event I was top 21 then found myself veing top 44 :/

[amber canyon]

Even just recording a simple set of clicks , then replaying them would work.

[fallen sand]

#💬-cells-chat message
Call me Noradamus 🤓

[amber canyon]

DW and fragments.

[loud kite]

DW?

[fallen sand]

Is that not players quickly finalizing their scores and dropping you down before the final score verification?

[amber canyon]

Darwinium. The purple cubes.

[loud kite]

ah

[fallen sand]

IIt's a lootbox with various rewards:
Mostly cards you can use to upgrade the speed, performance, or cost of generators (planets/stars)
and Dark Matter, the currency you use to pay for those upgrades
Rarely, you can also get Constellation Fragments for unlocking category bonuses (e.g. Stars x2 payout) and Darwinium (pink cube meta-currency across all sims)

[dense mango]

yeah, so scores aren't static.

[amber canyon]

I have fights occasionally. But not often. As such, and for various irl reasons, I tend to assume stuff like that is real players.

But the placeholder players are static (I think).

[lone bronze]

DUDE REALITY AMPLIFIER OR WHATEVER ITS CALLED IS SO OP

I WAS STRUGGLING TO GET MOLLUSKS AND I GOT 10+ IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES

[dense mango]

lol

[dense mango]

true...

[fallen sand]

The 'placeholder' scores would be. So if you have 500 players in a division, 400 of which are bots:
You could be top 21 (beaten by a couple players and some static scores), but then 23 players outpace you at the very end

They could, of course, be dynamic scores instead of static, but that seems like a pain (and it means you're never competing against the dynamic* score, but against the hidden 'final' score at event end)

[lone bronze]

can I talk about e30 predictions in here or should I talk abt it in beta chat

[fallen sand]

Some of those RE upgrades are huge, yeah

[lone bronze]

and my time chambers weren't even fully done

[lone bronze]

yeah it's reality amplifier

[amber canyon]

So.

• Divs are 1000
• 500 of those are CL generated placeholders
• Some number are player-made bots (prob mainly in early divs)
• the rest are actual players with varying level of skill, time, badges, ads and autoclickers.

[fallen sand]

That sounds right to me

[fallen sand]

I never realized just how much everything else pales in comparison. It's far and away the most significant single upgrade

I suppose the Time Amplifiers are perhaps better in the long run

[amber canyon]

Depends I guess. If you're wondering and want to shoot the breeze, here. If you have arcane beta knowledge, beta chat.

[timid pine]

i wish there was a breakdown so i can see where most of my profit is coming from.

[amber canyon]

Reality Engine stats tab?

[lethal spruce]

Anyone lost LOGIT and DARWINIUM upgrades?

[timid pine]

i mean here i am too tired to bother counting.

just would love to see where most of the profit is.

[lone bronze]

ok so, similarly to mesozoic and beyond, I believe episode 30 generators will have an online event where everyone has to click a certain amount of times to unlock each generator. I mean they have to make something special since it's the final episode as far as I'm aware

[amber canyon]

If you have either put in https://discord.com/channels/488478892873744385/1010249890414202880 or DM cells support . They tend to react relatively quickly to bug reports of stuff like that.

[amber canyon]

That would mirror the opening of it quite nicely 🙂.

[lone bronze]

yeah, wanted to make a little throwback

to the public release of beyond phase 1

[fallen sand]

Just make a whole-ass spreadsheet like I did!

[timid pine]

haha that would be one way to go!

oh darn no ads to steam.. thats bothersome.

[fallen sand]

The % breakdown doesn't account for capacitors, though

[timid pine]

i am going to miss my bonuses :D

[lethal spruce]

Thanks man, I posted it in the Discord bug report section: https://discord.com/channels/488478892873744385/1483187313067557045 and I also sent it to them by email. I’ll wait for their response 👍

[amber canyon]

Just buy the one with the biggest circled number, no?

[fallen sand]

It should be fairly trivial to implement in-game, I would think. There are already calculations done for resource rate per generator and total resource rate, so it'd just be an element displaying (varA / varX)*100%

[timid pine]

they all have a variable speed to finish.

not to mention that was showing "next rank" so wildly misleading. :D

[fallen sand]

Yeah, Beyond is particularly bad about this since it shows payout amount, not rate. You have to track the time and calc the rate yourself

[amber canyon]

Oh, forgot about the speed thing. I just OoM'd it.

Rank is most relevant. Because if the X3 you get for ranking though.

[timid pine]

yeah ofcourse

tempted to save up for mu

[fallen sand]

Notably annoying is having two generators of long times, both near completion. So it's not trivial to compare if you don't know that A is 1.5h and B is 1h

[amber canyon]

Also, eyeballing your total income can give you a good clue as to when you've found your best generator.

It does get simpler later on iirc. Once you've got past ||moons||.

[fallen sand]

I really liked the Modules but I think they objectively lose to well-managed Augment purchasing for a while

[timid pine]

in the end i play to have fun so untill i get stuck somewhere

im just going to wing it :D

i wont be playing everyday so, i dont expect great progress :D

[amber canyon]

Mainly enjoy the journey. It's not a race.

[fallen sand]

For sure, but there's a surprising amount of efficiency competition at certain points, depending on cards. I've had a few times where top generator was <80% and ranking up any of the runner-ups would overtake it

[timid pine]

yeah i always say its the journey, not the destination.

i wouldn't be suprised if i quit once i hit glitch lv 50.

[amber canyon]

(I say this while eyeing up TheQuickFox in the leaderboard just ahead of me, and having just noticed bnm not too far behind me ... 😬)

[fallen sand]

Every time I purchase a LUCA I go up one ranking spot 🤔

I should actually play the event instead of typing

[amber canyon]

I suspect that me reliably getting top ten rewards from events meant my progress was more clearly biased to more recent generators.

[timid pine]

is it worth playing events?

[fallen sand]

I never actually checked the score calc

[timid pine]

what do i even get :D

[fallen sand]

There are Reality Engine upgrades that scale based on badges

[timid pine]

ok lets try one out.

[fallen sand]

Oh, and Side Simulator and Side Simulator II

[amber canyon]

I think the recent Reality Reboot (and to a lesser extent pi day) has shown that people will gather for BigGameEvents. And a lot of peeps like Beyond.

[dry cairn]

Make a copy, go to the Beyond tab, plug your info into the brown cells.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1hyqlzO60MqcHuwlGacNUPyLSByRvOlPehbUsyIwkuTc/htmlview#gid=47754204

[fallen sand]

This reminds me, I think Badge Collector I and II are still bugged

[amber canyon]

Nice!

[fathom stirrup]

If I had a cat, it would give it thumbs up

[amber canyon]

🤔 I wonder how many spreadsheets this game has resulted in people making ...

... I've made 2 and a half ...

[fallen sand]

So far I've limited myself to one, but I'll probably have to split the event tabs off into their own one for performance reasons

[timid pine]

whats a good rank to aim for on my first event?

[fallen sand]

Top 250 should be attainable without too much hardship

[timid pine]

yeah i dont want to play to death.

just want to find a reasonable goal to aim for.

[fallen sand]

Top 500 easy, top 250 manageable

[amber canyon]

Depends how much effort you want to put in. I wouldn't start quite yet if I were you.

[timid pine]

oh i already did :D

[fallen sand]

Top 150 usually requires tryharding or some other advantage if you start today

Also remember that you'll probably lose a few places at the end as everyone gets their last-minute rush in

[amber canyon]

Ah well. You'll be more likely to get all 3 badges then. That's most important.

[clear zenith]

meh, I think I could get it okay by now, and I'm not too great about checking in super frequently

[timid pine]

what are the badges?

[clear zenith]

you get three per event, they're all just efficiency boosts

[dry cairn]

As long as you arent pushing so hard on the events that you neglect the other 3 sims 😀

[timid pine]

but how do i obtain the badges?

[amber canyon]

The things that give you a speed boost the next time you play the event AND boost your primary.

You'll get them just by playing the event.

[clear zenith]

you unlock them as you progress through objectives. one will be about 1/3 through, another 2/3, and the last with the final objective

[fallen sand]

Do you have previous badges, ad boost, infinity pass, or are spending DW on warps?

[timid pine]

just by playing you say, bu tif i want to target badges then not do the event. how would i get em? oh so its based on the objectives?

[fallen sand]

Complete the missions (checklist). Some of those will reward badges

[clear zenith]

4x through ads, so I suppose if you're just playing on Steam and not getting the boost it'd be a lot harder

[fallen sand]

First badge is this one

[timid pine]

ok i see it now.

[fallen sand]

Yeah, that's been my experience. Last time I brought this up I didn't realize how much other players take for granted #💬-cells-chat message

[amber canyon]

I'll start apologising to you how I used to apologise to Ketmay 😬

[fallen sand]

I do think that without ad boosts, time skips, or prior badges some events actually might not be possible to complete unless you're pretty good about nanobots and use an autoclicker

[fathom stirrup]

I didn't even know this is a thing cause of infinity pass

[fallen sand]

Yeah, the free one I got made things so much easier

If you want to pay the devs it's a great purchase

Rereading that just made me mad again

2h to afford an upgrade that boosts the least-significant generator
come back in 20-30 min and you will probably have enough money to buy it

I'm guessing there's a clear indication of when the points of no return are in the event?

[clear zenith]

...but that doesn't math? huh?

[clear zenith]

probably. I'm about to find out

[turbid mica]

What would this look like if we never landed on the moon 😂😂😂

[fallen sand]

Exactly!

[clear zenith]

I'm just ranking all the Beyond generators to their max first rq because I'm about to level up and it occurred to me that I could get some more dark matter that way

[fallen sand]

It'd be a lot emptier, that's for sure

[fallen sand]

Yeah, I do that pre-prestige as well. N.B. you only get rewards for increasing the max all-time rank

Granted, every prestige this should be higher than the last, but if you over-reached last time you might not get anything

It's what kept me DM-solvent without running DM missions

[clear zenith]

huh? do you mean in Meso? I'm getting mutagen each time I get a dino to 10, 25, 50, etc

[fallen sand]

In Beyond, you get rewards for raising a generator to a rank it's never reached before

[clear zenith]

yep

[fathom stirrup]

no, in Beyond it is highest rank only

[fallen sand]

E.g. if you get Sun to rank 13, prestige, then get it to rank 13 again, you get no rewards

You have to reach 14 to get new rewards

[clear zenith]

oh you said prestige and I assumed you meant Meso, not Beyond levelling

[fallen sand]

Ah, yeah. I think it's called "Upgrade Universe" on the button, "Rank" in RE upgrade text, and "Episode" elsewhere

Prestige as a generic term is just easier to remember 😛

[clear zenith]

fair

ahaha peak reference (if I'm not mistaken)
(beyond 19 generator & achievement spoiler)

[fallen sand]

I thought they might be

[clear zenith]

tbf it's kind of tricky to keep them straight when there's so many different terms, and that's just in this one idle game. things like levelling, prestiging, etc. mean slightly different things depending on what you're playing

[fallen sand]

Yeah. I think 'prestige' became the de-facto term when Call of Duty introduced it some time ago?

[clear zenith]

I haven't played COD but I'd believe it

[fallen sand]

https://www.reddit.com/r/incremental_games/comments/7k5wgs/why_is_it_called_prestige/
Seems it's not concrete, but likely. I didn't realize it was used as far back as MUDs and D&D though

[clear zenith]

man I remember someone on here saying that having the ability to skip the star/planet levelling animations like you can for geodes would be a great QOL update. Going through and doing about four levels per celestial body makes me realize just how right they were 😞

[clear zenith]

ooh interesting

I'm gonna guess prestige has been phased out of D&D in more recent versions because I've never heard of it

[timid pine]

what i want is a button with "buy anything you can afford"

[fallen sand]

I think it was more of a B/X thing? But I didn't really get into that

[timid pine]

i dont care where it goes. it can randomize it lol.

[clear zenith]

haha that sounds risky, but interesting

[timid pine]

mostly ment for when you start a new restart.

[clear zenith]

I know datamining and all that isn't cool but are there mods for this game? just a stray thought

[fallen sand]

Primary sim at least has the efficiency sorting, which will at least place a buyable generator in the top position most of the time

In Beyond you have a lot of scrolling

[clear zenith]

efficiency sorting on + autoclicker my beloved

[timid pine]

when can i get that @fallen sand

[fallen sand]

Although clicking the 'category' tabs will jump you at least

[lofty galleon]

I am not dead

[timid pine]

i want this effeciency sorting.

[clear zenith]

I believe it's an upgrade after nanobots

[fallen sand]

I don't recall; I think it's a reality engine upgrade near nanobots?

let me check

[fathom stirrup]

in Beyond you can erase from memory any other than last 3-8 generators 🙂

[timid pine]

i assume further to the right of here

[clear zenith]

yep!

[clear zenith]

not entirely, I just remembered them again and got a few hundred dark matter off of levelling them up

[clear zenith]

you've only got a few more to go

[fathom stirrup]

once you do it to lvl 20 they stop making any sense

[clear zenith]

fair

[timid pine]

didnt someone say this was removed on pc

[fallen sand]

Yep. And to be fair, you can ignore them until the end of the Episode, at which point upgrading them one-by-one means less scrolling back-and-forth

[fallen sand]

It's not removed. It scales so slowly that it can be ignored, until it reaches a cap and drops down to 3 permanently

[fathom stirrup]

when I fulfill last requirement I spent all Stardust levelling last knonw non20 generator and went up

[fallen sand]

#💬-cells-chat message

I do it earlier only because it gives me something to do

When a rank-up takes less than 1 second of stardust generation it doesn't really delay my progress

[fathom stirrup]

last level might hinder your advancement though

[fallen sand]

Yeah, you can't just buy everything

I keep track of the time needed to afford a rank-up and buy it whenever it gets sufficiently small as to be insignificant

I'm waiting mostly on missions at this point anyway

[clear zenith]

okay so now that I've accumulated dark matter from the forgotten generators and started e20, I'm going to actually start the exploration now 😅

[timid pine]

fair enough!

[fathom stirrup]

soon to be lvl 52 (+3 levels in 1hr)

[fathom stirrup]

enjoy, it was kinda fun - last episode is a looot of waiting 🙂

[timid pine]

any way to see how many fills i have for entrophy?

oh wait.. i think its hidden behind other text lol.

[clear zenith]

oh goodness that's a bug

1378 I think?

[fathom stirrup]

yeah, I noticed that few days ago but forgot about it cause of empty sim 😄

[fallen sand]

I'd check, but

[fathom stirrup]

i think it is only 378

[timid pine]

uh this game is almost unplayable on pc... (without pass)

no ads for x2 boost :(

[clear zenith]

you're right, that's the colon plus side of the N making it look like a 1

[fallen sand]

It's rough, I'll tell you that

Using an autoclicker does get me x2 income in events at least

(though only ~+28.3% in Beyond)

[clear zenith]

it's playable, just much slower

[fallen sand]

I actually like it better for the start of events, since you have to think about what you're buying

The mid-to-late walls are nasty though

[clear zenith]

so to answer your question from nearly half an hour ago, I'd say yeah, it's pretty obvious when you're about to trigger an extinction in the exploration

[fallen sand]

...you know, I think you're right

[timid pine]

thats why i said "almost"

[clear zenith]

I play on both pc and mobile, but only because I can get the ad boost and transfer the save back to pc

[timid pine]

yeah i was mobile eonly untill today

as on mobile i only check it like 10 mins a day

eeew thats brutal.

[fallen sand]

Yeah, just got there myself

[timid pine]

@fallen sand someone like you...i assume you make more profit in event realm than i do?

[fallen sand]

Do you mean I get farther in the event? Probably not, I don't have boost

I do have +30% for this one from previous badges though

[timid pine]

i mean someone experienced makes more profit in events than someone just starting?

[fallen sand]

Yes

Every badge you get gives you a bonus for the next time that same event runs

#💬-cells-chat message

[clear zenith]

yes, both experience in how an event works and boosts from prior events will help

[timid pine]

but how can that be, my mom said the world revolves around me.

[fathom stirrup]

Every Exploration what matters at the end of a day is your position in your division, if you managed to get all 3 badges and if you had fun playing.

[timid pine]

noone can be further ahead than i.

[fallen sand]

It's a net loss of production for me

[fathom stirrup]

Chuck Norris, he can be so far ahead of you he is breathing you at your back.

[fallen sand]

Hmm, this is actually a more interesting calculation than I thought

[timid pine]

i refuse to help you. school is for math.

[fallen sand]

How many Seas to buy before extinction? How much should I pre-invest in LUCA?

[timid pine]

(quite literally, i teach math lol)

[fathom stirrup]

i was teaching math for 3 months to bunch of 11yo kids 🙂

[fluid delta]

nono, I'm sure there's other uses for school than just math!

[fallen sand]

Right now, ~100% of my production is from Seas, so I guess it depends on how rough the post-extinction patch is

[amber canyon]

It's a judgement call for me. How much more LUCA to collect to get a better start after the extinction.

For me it depends on how long between opening up the event I'm doing. But you keep it open don't you?

[timid pine]

samesies!

i teach 3rd-6th grade

[fallen sand]

Yeah. It's basically comparing the refund-time of additional Seas purchases vs the delay of progressing the event, mixing in additional delay for LUCA purchases

[amber canyon]

Teaching kids ... I could never ...

[timid pine]

but lets not talk about math.. i could go on about funny math problems that everyone gets mad when i tell them the answer lol.

and i'd never shut up :D

[fallen sand]

But without knowing the upgrade path post-extinction, I can't tell how much is 'good enough'

[fathom stirrup]

Kids are awesome 🙂

[timid pine]

very true!

[amber canyon]

Occasionally. Briefly.

[fathom stirrup]

some of them are worth some jailtime though /jk

[timid pine]

my fondest memory of school is one day when a 3rd grader came back from lunch break crying, i asked what was going on, and she was sad because someone else was bullied, and we talked about emapthy and what that is. and could write about it in her diary, and when she wanted me to read her diary... I mean.. c'mon. i was about to cry lol.

(long story short ofc)

[timid pine]

eeeeeeeeew

[amber canyon]

The first extinction is more of a warning shot iirc.

Later ones warrant more saving up.

And if you trigger the extinction before collecting the LUCA reqt you can be in a world of pain ...

[timid pine]

reqt?

[amber canyon]

Requirement. Sorry. Work words creeping into here 🤣.

[timid pine]

i read that as "wrecked"

[timid pine]

wrecked -> rect -> reqt

i can see that path.

[amber canyon]

Makes sense 🙂

[fathom stirrup]

I have lots of memories from that short time... Once I was debating with a fellow new teacher in front of my cabinet, when we heard some noise. After 3-5minutes I decided to check on that noise. Some poor boy from 7th grade was accidentally locked in his classroom at the end of a day. Poor guy, I comforted him and lead to his locker when we met his teacher who accidentally locked him in.

[fallen sand]

Looks like I already over-purchased LUCA then

[amber canyon]

No Biggie, except not fully optimised obvs. You'll need it in the future.

(I know you want to optimise 😬)

[fallen sand]

Yeah. I'll just check the base cost and rate for the next generator at each extinction and do a manual check to verify the breakpoint

Not elegant, but somehow I think it'd be more trouble to calc it than it's worth

Ooh, I forgot the Earth model updates with each one

[amber canyon]

I do like the Extinction event.

I only need one 5% badge from it this time though. Which will take no time at all.

[fathom stirrup]

what I can read it does look like very interesting concept, cannot wait to experience it 🙂

[amber canyon]

It's def the most interesting to play to me. Both the theme and the mechanics.

[fallen sand]

Hmm, the LUCA generator and upgrade didn't update the currency icon

Not sure if that' intended or not

[fathom stirrup]

I liked money and mineral so far 🙂 Which I noticed are not that popular among players ...

[hoary creek]

why is episode 18 so loooong...

[clear zenith]

I liked both too, for their gardens

there's gotta be a tierlist for them out there somewhere...

[hollow pelican]

should be: why is episode 3- I mean yeah yeah.... just progress

[fallen sand]

The gardens were great. The multi-currency was a headache

[clear zenith]

fair

[fallen sand]

I think it was a previous cap, so they were trying to extend the end-game

[fathom stirrup]

multicurrency is what made it for me

[turbid mica]

Only progressed 5 levels today feels very slow!

[amber canyon]

There was a whole phase of tier lists a year ish ago.

I noticed some people really hate multiple currency events. I liked them, and just check the upgrades for which currency I should be building. I suspect quite a few players don't do that - which could hurt you a lot, like in maths for example if you moved to building i too early.

[hollow pelican]

Same

I thought the more the better, the same goes with alternative currencies

[fallen sand]

Trying to determine breakpoints for cross-currency efficiency is a headache

[timid pine]

levels? what levels?

[fallen sand]

Rocks was the worst because it had feedback loops, where X currency for Y generator fed into Y currency for Z generator which led to Z generator for X currency

Short of brute-force or over-reductive there's not a real solution

[fathom stirrup]

https://giphy.com/gifs/yJFeycRK2DB4c

[clear zenith]

Yeah, I honestly feel like mono-currency events are less interesting on average

[turbid mica]

I mean on the primary simulation

[hollow pelican]

Yeah, they're just trying to make the "cycle" a little bit too real

[timid pine]

glitch levels? what glitch level are you now? and how long have you played?

[clear zenith]

Probably not long. I certainly don't get multiple levels a day anymore

[fallen sand]

Mmmm, I'd actually agree with you. That's the tradeoff: difficulty vs novelty

[turbid mica]

I mean this one....and almost a couple of weeks I think

[amber canyon]

With proper maths yeah. Often with lazy maths, just checking which currency the upgrade you're buying next works good enough.

I think the sd-related leaving the event and going back in makes some things a lot simpler.

[fathom stirrup]

most chaotic what I experienced were Cats

[fallen sand]

Ah, that definitely makes sense. Aside from the Dairy event, I think the event theming has been pretty on-point

[timid pine]

5 levels in one day? thats nuts!

im at 19, i get 1 level a day.

[fallen sand]

It's also a lot easier when each "suboptimal" purchase doesn't cost hours of real-time waiting 😢

[fathom stirrup]

As far as you are enjoying it, it is absolutely fine 😉

[clear zenith]

Yeah, even with empty sim I usually get 3 levels max from it

[hollow pelican]

Maybe rebooting your simulation and then using the prestige currencies to buy nodes that upgrade your sim speed with simulation boost, try buying a module if you can, and Augmentation will help progress faster to the next level

[timid pine]

oh i love it when i dont care about it (in the sense that idont care how quick it goes) i care about progress but i dont mind if im 50 times slower than you :)

[fathom stirrup]

I am about to cash my 5day sim - +3levels, just like you said

[turbid mica]

I got so confused about the idea of this game I thought why does it keep getting me to start again 😂

[timid pine]

welcome to idle games :)

[fallen sand]

Haha, the idea is that you lose some temporary progress to gain power. Do this repeatedly and it really stacks up

Just gotta balance it

[timid pine]

i made my own game a while back, and it was fun. idle games are the best.

[hollow pelican]

more like welcome to incremental games but yeah works fine

[timid pine]

@hollow pelican thats a long story, i hate google play store when people say idle.. and its incremental.

[fallen sand]

The misues of Steam's "Clicker" and "Idle" tags are a perpetual annoyance

[timid pine]

you can have aclicker game.. but clicker is not idle..

[amber canyon]

Steam and new 😭 ||I think every event now I can just open every 3 mins and get the next upgrade. Maybe there's a few upgrades left that take 2 cycles?||

[timid pine]

basically, any game that forces me to have the game "on" is not idle.

that defeats the purpose, i want to check in once a day, and get the reward.

[fallen sand]

Too strong; devs please nerf kf

[amber canyon]

I find puzzle is horribly mis-used to the point of meaninglessness.

[hollow pelican]

You can't nerf Kf, or Adrian would reign this server

[timid pine]

its not hard nowdays just tell ai to make you one. lol.

uhm... not sure why i replied to that.. but it was a referring to your eyes emoji to my message. lol.

[fluid delta]

Events really like to have you go into and out of them every 5 minutes or so. Or at least that is how you make the fastest progress. And watching an ad every time you pop back in (or have Infinity Pass), ofc

[timid pine]

i am fine with that... but games that literally halts when you are offilen.. or games where 1 minute of online play beats 30 hours of idle.... no...

but we all have different views on it, its a long discussion probably not ment for this chat :)

[fluid delta]

ofc that's mobile games (and Cells is one, even though there's a Steam version). PC games are very different

[timid pine]

no cells are fine. i think they hit the mark quite well.

[fluid delta]

like you are not going to be leveling up in FFXIV or making progress in Mass Effect or Civ etc, when you are offline

[white egret]

i think the comparison of 1 minute vs 30 hours is a bit extreme, and in some cases offline can be better (but thats mostly where you check in every 5 minutes)

[amber canyon]

Need a nerfier badge boost curve 😬. And less of this x4 ad boost thingy. It is a hell of a handicap you got against players like me. Could be worse though, I could be using auto-clicker too. There's def players with fewer badges than me that can finish events quicker by using those.

[timid pine]

i am talking about "idle games" specifically

[white egret]

ah right

[timid pine]

some games that claim to be idle is not. thats whats bothering me. If its idle. (you can cap it at 2, 8, 24, 72 hours up to you. But 2 minutes online should not combat 24 hours offilne.

[fluid delta]

Cells is a mix. For getting nodes in Reality Engine (and thus, leveling and Primary progress), waiting 21 game days (Mollusks update) or 14 game days (current update) is vastly optimal, at least at higher levels

[timid pine]

certain parts can be afk, thats fine and as i said i think cells did a fine job.

its not as idle as i personally want, but from a global perspectivne i think they nailed it.

[amber canyon]

You may be delighted to learn about the current late game OP strat. It's very idle ...

[white egret]

but thats only really due to a balancing error, i wouldnt consider that part of their game design

[timid pine]

it was fine aleardy where i am now :)

my only issue is some ad issue, not quite sure if its cells or meta that causing it.

[white egret]

yeah ive heard the ads are really bad

[fluid delta]

heh, is an error that they don't choose to correct, part of the game design or not? A case could be made either way

[white egret]

i think its a 3rd party issue? like the people who serve the ads

[timid pine]

i dont mind ads. all that is fine, the only issue i have is... when a "x" appears.

it should close it... not take you to the download link... like wtf?

[amber canyon]

The dodgy ads with fake X's... Smh ...

Meta is the problem there.

[fluid delta]

Sometimes the "x" is a fake X that's part of the ad. Sometimes it's the OS itself which correctly ends the ad. Some ads are very sneaky ofc

[white egret]

lol, i do think trying to patch it does constitute an error, even if their methods are a bit odd

[timid pine]

yeah i had no idea. thats why i guarded myself with saying one of the 2.

[fluid delta]

either way, it's the current meta. so, "current design", perhaps?

[white egret]

im unsure if im lucky to be on steam cause of no ads, but darwin only

(darwin is kinda no object given some... strategies, but i digress)

[fluid delta]

I hate ads, but fortunately I can do other things while the ad does it's thing on my iPad in Cells. So it's easily ignorable

[amber canyon]

In settings (Android, d'know if iOS) this setting might help. A bit. Maybe I'm imagining it ...

[hollow pelican]

it's either the X is too big or not convincing to others

[fluid delta]

Yeah. Though I know the patterns enough, I almost never get caught now

[timid pine]

to some extent i blame cells for it.

as they use that ad source.. so like 10% blame cells, 90% meta

but as i said i have had my own game, i get it.

[fathom stirrup]

whats the name of that spherical thing that gives you currencies in main sim? Can it appear in modern or futuristic gardens?

[amber canyon]

Yeah. The devs deserve money. Cash buys don't work on its own.

[timid pine]

@amber canyon you would be suprised lol

they work better than ads. i'd assume

[amber canyon]

Golden Floatie?

[white egret]

the astroids?

oh no the quantum things

[fathom stirrup]

yeah - those ones (golden floaties, quantum things)

[white egret]

i dont think ive ever seen them appear in the gardens, but i dont look in them much

[amber canyon]

There are def some apps I've paid cash for. Voluntarily even 😁. But I much prefer once only, not ongoing.

[timid pine]

keep in mind some people will spend thousands

in my game one dude spend like $8k

[rough axle]

Quantum charge

[amber canyon]

Yeah.

[fathom stirrup]

they appear in both Ancient and Land (+Primordial and Ocean), but I have not yet seen any in Modern and Future

[white egret]

the new layouts may have broken them? i dont know alot to their spawning besides the fact their path must cross the screen in valid places

[amber canyon]

I used to see them in the garden with the train. When it was Stonehenge-based.

Never seen them on Mars.

[white egret]

(if you have darwin to spare its better to zoom into the tree screens with an autoclicker, as more will cross the path of your mouse!)

[fathom stirrup]

once I played a game where one player bought literally everything that could be bought only to be the biggest whale on the server (Ants Kingdom).... it was unbelievable how extremely fast progress he made because of this...

[rough axle]

Idk about modern but definitely not in future

[fallen sand]

And if you don't, it's better to use the garden since the rotating one has a set path so you can avoid it

[amber canyon]

They have a tendency to sneak across the edge of the screen too. More than would seem to be the case if the path was random.

[white egret]

actually i might have to double check this i havent done a full check on all the vector math stuff

[white egret]

well yeah but that still crosses the screen

since when you zoom in the charges are "larger" on the screen, you will hit more of them

hold on ill mspaint a diagram

[amber canyon]

Yeah, my floaties just seem to generally avoid the centre of the screen.

[white egret]

if the black box is the screen, the red circle is the area in which clicking will hit a charge, so if the only path the charges can cross has to cross the screen, your probability is higher when zoomed in

(red circle not to scale, but its radius would be the apparent diameter of a charge)

since they follow paths instead of just picking a random point i think the setup for the integrals are harder? im not doing the actual math here tho just the general idea

[rough axle]

Undertale

[white egret]

how

[rough axle]

Idk it looks like the thing with the heart in the box

I’ve never played it

[white egret]

neither

blind leading the deaf

[amber canyon]

I understand the scale. What I'm saying is my Floaty paths tend to look like thesr green lines, so towards the edge would be more successful in grabbing them.

[white egret]

really? mine tend to path towards the mouse honestly

[fathom stirrup]

when you are "zoomed in" you are not covering the whole area "behind you" though so you are not covering more area, but less

[white egret]

what do you mean behind?

[turbid mica]

Just unlocked this....
Does this mean the end once singularity is found?

[white egret]

i think this is just more common in the probabilty space, but the larger circle still makes a difference (and you couldnt have your mouse on the outer edge since the popup box isnt there)

[white egret]

dw, theres alot more to the game than singularity

[white egret]

you cover the area of a circle whos radius is the diameter of the hitbox of the charge

[fathom stirrup]

so zoomed in, that there is actually a space behind you where these charges could appear. And if not behind you, than above you.

[white egret]

im talking about the trees here, as someone else said the paths in the garden are predetermined (forgot who said it or how correct it was tho)

[fathom stirrup]

trees? oh, like the main simulation tree?

[white egret]

yeah

or like beyond, meso, etc

the area in which the nodes are

[fathom stirrup]

ok than

[hollow pelican]

No, there's more to come... You'll see more life and technology after you reboot your simulation
Spoilers = ||Research level 24 is still considered to be the early-game phase||

[turbid mica]

Ahhh perfect. Panicked then haha

[white egret]

the gardens are different since the spawning patterns are different

[amber canyon]

Mine are shy, apparently.

[white egret]

maybe its a device difference

[amber canyon]

Well mine can't aim for the mouse pointer for sure 😁

[ivory estuary]

I am almost 11 days into my first 14-day empty run. This is so lame tbh

Like I really need the metabits and all that and I’ll be very happy when I reset and get a ton of them, but this wait is brutal af and it’s the only way I can meaningfully progress the reality engine atp

[vocal hinge]

If we get a season 3 exploration, what do you guys think it’ll have

[tawdry parrot]

@quasi ivy does being pres10 meso help with extinction event?

[fluid delta]

No, Meso is unconnected with it

[clear zenith]

I've got an android, I must know where this is

[rough axle]

Nothing boosts events except that specific event’s badges

[warm umbra]

is orion spur good

[clear zenith]

the difference just one chamber can make is insane

[ivory estuary]

It’s fine but it gets immediately outclassed by Perseus Arm

[warm umbra]

https://klipy.com/gifs/phobos-vortrox

[warm umbra]

perseus arm cannot mog it that bad

[rough axle]

According to my spreadsheet it’s about 7.338x better

[warm umbra]

https://klipy.com/gifs/deltarune-roaring-knight-1

[rough axle]

Cost Production Time
8.00E+121 3.10E+116 350
6.40E+122 1.07E+118 240

[warm umbra]

what is 1.07e+118 in normal notation

[ivory estuary]

10.7 Otg

[warm umbra]

https://klipy.com/gifs/satoru-gojou-jujutsu-kaisen-1

horsehead nebula makes more

[ivory estuary]

My Orion Spur rn is level 6 producing 2.17e123 every 2 seconds while my Horsehead Nebula is level 7 making 7.61e122 every 3 seconds so it’s not worse forever

[ivory estuary]

Which makes my Orion ~4.5x better than my Horsehead while down a level

[warm umbra]

what is this scientific notation glaze dawg i only use normal

[rough axle]

Well yeah this is assuming you have only 1 of that generator and no cards or boosts of any kind

[clear zenith]

I assume it's because scientific notation is more widely accepted in the real world. Normal is a legitimate but harder-to-follow way of counting larger numbers, and custom is (as far as I know) not a method of counting larger numbers outside of this game and possibly other video games of this nature

but like for future reference on normal, a bigger number after the e means a bigger number overall. e[X] = *10^[X]

[forest anchor]

I prefer Normal when the number is not so large, like <e60

That's why Mixed notation is goat

/nsrs

[clear zenith]

absolutely. when the number words are ones I know, it's fine. it's when they start getting mushed together that it gets confusing

[white egret]

normal is better for smaller contexts

[clear zenith]

yeah, but the context here is late-game CtS

[white egret]

which means its not a good context for normal (imo)

[rough axle]

What you don’t like quinquadragintillion?

[white egret]

thats why sci works better here, cause just looking at a number makes it easier to calculate things

i think working like below e30 is best for normal notation

i mean e30+6?

[forest anchor]

e30+3

[lament temple]

Notation Conversion

Converted: 1e33 → 1 Dc

Notation Calculation • Requested by Electorus

[white egret]

whichever one includes decillion

yueah

[forest anchor]

Blame million for not starting at e3

Blame thousand who took the spot

[rough axle]

🫴

[white egret]

they swap the digit order too which is weird

[forest anchor]

Honestly abbreviations are still fine, just not whatever the whole name is

[rough axle]

Also why the hell does custom not start until qa

[white egret]

custom is a bit special

[clear zenith]

I mean that is how the math maths 🤷‍♂️

[forest anchor]

Most games that have custom notation start such at e15

Afaik

[white egret]

also this custom notation sucks? like ik this point has been beaten to death but like just do A,B,C...AA,AB,AC...etc

[clear zenith]

oh is custom decently common in incremental/ide games? TIL

[forest anchor]

I remember playing a game that after trillion it becomes gazillion or whatever

[white egret]

custom notations but not this "custom notation"

(pull up the AD notations!)

[forest anchor]

There are many custom notations

If you hate debating about notations I recommend the blind one

[white egret]

true blind is funny i will say

[clear zenith]

Antimatter Dimensions?

[white egret]

yep

[clear zenith]

because 24 different options?

[rough axle]

Does blind use braille or is it just hide the extra stuff after the numbers

[white egret]

hides the numbers iirc

[forest anchor]

It hides the entire thing afaik

[white egret]

and i think true blind gets rid of all indicators

[clear zenith]

the eff is zalgo? 😂

[white egret]

zalgo

[clear zenith]

is that like the font or smthn weird

[forest anchor]

I like prime factor notation!

[white egret]

let me pull it up actually

[clear zenith]

and there's even more on mobile

the freak man

[rough axle]

Huh automod hates zalgo

[white egret]

did that message get auto?

[white egret]

prime factor is funny i will say

[rough axle]

Did antimatter dimensions ever get an iOS port or is it still only android

[forest anchor]

I'd like a notation where it's totally normal except the positions of the letters and numbers are completely random

[forest anchor]

AD on iOS is in development as of now afaik

[white egret]

wait what happend to true blind

also it does get rid of the number but the indicators are still there (like the green and red)

[prime vale]

ITS EXTINCTION EVENT!!

YESSS

[rustic gale]

The devs hate the Extinction event for some reason

[fluid delta]

<@&535129309648781332> scammer

[turbid mica]

Games broken gonna uninstall

[strange lark]

💔

[quasi ivy]

do they know

[amber canyon]

Settings>apps>click on the app> look for Open by default and turn it off.

[amber canyon]

I know we're not supposed to double ping the mods, but it's hard!

[forest anchor]

It's like an instinct to ping them

...without checking another channels first

[amber canyon]

Yup

The mods are allowed to be away though 🙂

Or maybe they're testing empty sim modding 🤣

[forest anchor]

Indeed they are

[quasi ivy]

they are testing the jester update fr

[azure turtle]

!ban 1483003673582899212 scammer

[bright otter]

Banned benjamin79090900 (Case #4397) (user notified with a direct message)

[forest anchor]

Thank you Quarter

-# I'm not going to say that word unless it's related to me

[azure turtle]

Surprised it was up that long

[forest anchor]

Real

Better late than never however

[azure turtle]

That's true

[polar viper]

On the secret beta-mod branch.

Btw. I know from reliable sources, that this server has a secret staff-furry-rp channel

[forest anchor]

What 💔

[green pasture]

what😨

[strange lark]

"Staff furry rp is just a rumour spread between members"

[polar viper]

https://tenor.com/view/dotd-gif-3134943430598603018

[tropic berry]

why is it cockroach world

[prime vale]

because cockroaches will survive when humanity destroys itself with nukes

[fair granite]

[prime vale]

why is the sun smaller than earth in extinction event

[trim eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/admin-admin-furry-stash-admin-furry-furry-discord-gif-22557705

[turbid mica]

Is there a place we can post suggestions? I really wish they'd expand the beyond section cause it'd be awesome 😍 could go on forever

[strange lark]

Try using the command /suggest in #🎭-semblance

[lament temple]

How do I make a suggestion in Discord?

• Go to #🎭-semblance, use the /suggest command and type your suggestion in the dialog box. Your suggestion will first be reviewed by the moderators (to make sure it is related to the game/server and isn't a troll), and if it's approved, it will appear in #💡-suggestions for other people (and maybe the developers) to see.
• Do not create a thread directly in #💡-suggestions because that won't count and the thread will eventually be deleted.

Frequently Asked Questions • Requested by Electorus

[turbid mica]

When restarting a simulation.... Are you meant to tap everything and expand as fast as you can or does the speed not matter?

[forest anchor]

That pace is not required

You can repurchase everything in any way you want, but people tend to reclaim all nodes fast

[gray yew]

It’s really far away.

||And just wait until the end.||

[turbid mica]

I see 🙂

[turbid mica]

Just reached 29 💕

[woeful lodge]

is this 8x multiplier for everything like ocean life, land life, tapping, offline efficiency etc?

[hollow pelican]

Yes, and it only boost ×8 to all entropy generators except offline and other efficiency

[real storm]

Good job

[rough axle]

Maybe because it’s really far away????

[prime vale]

its not

its actually smaller

[ocean rivet]

Good🤔

[civic condor]

Hi, is there any guide and/or tierlist for what to obtain and when? Thanks 😊

[tawdry parrot]

howd u get that rocket image

[ocean rivet]

Wait me

I will tell you

[hollow pelican]

If you're talking about a guide for beginners, here is one from wiki but it is a little bit outdated, so you can take and set that to the base of beginner guide and if there is something wrong, you could ask in this channel about the game
Now what do you mean by tier list to obtain?

[hollow pelican]

it's from the Civilization Icon Pack on the Logit Augmentation Store for 25 Logits

[ocean rivet]

Civilization icon pack

Sorry I am speaking Chinese

[tawdry parrot]

chinese language looks cool

[ocean rivet]

Yea

im from taiwan

Have a good time

[rough axle]

Hmm wonder why this wasn’t posted in #🗣-cells-socials

computer_lunch

Some old promo art, straight from the depths of our archives 🦧

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[tawdry parrot]

dab 😭

[rough axle]

[tawdry parrot]

When memes were simpler

[nimble anchor]

is there any real advantage to running past this? i seem to have slowed down but i wont really be able to buy much at this point if i reset

[dry cairn]

It was an empty sim thats been you started running in the last 21 hours?

[hollow pelican]

The result would be the same even when you're doing the 14 days sim strat, so just progress with that method because there's no point/objective again

[dry cairn]

Once the fills get painfully slow, you might as well reset and start another empty run.

[hollow pelican]

Oh yeah, may the Jester be with y'all

[nimble anchor]

i really wanted to get to 78 but have slowed to a crawl, would probably take another 10 days at the rate i am getting now

[prime vale]

you have finished the game for now since level 77 is the last level that unlocks an upgrade

[amber canyon]

You can try collecting the x30 shooting stars in the primary earth view.

Once you've got it, clicking in the earth view will get you metabits, clicking in the mars view will get you knowledge.

[prime vale]

probably no point in progressing any further

[dry cairn]

If leveling is priority over the RE tree, leave it running.

[prime vale]

just focus on events i guess

[nimble anchor]

what shooting stars?

[dry cairn]

Comet thing that gives you 15 seconds of 30x tapping value.

[nimble anchor]

these? you have to get 30 in a simulation?

[hollow pelican]

Yes (as in "that was what we're talking about")

[amber canyon]

No.

Once you collect it, tapping gives you x30.

[dry cairn]

Im guessing they are on Steam without infinity pass.
In that case, probably dont use them.

[amber canyon]

Anyway, basically you're past the end of the content from the last update, so your gains are going to be slow until the next update.

[nimble anchor]

oh i see, i use them as every time you log in you get one within a minute or so. so i use them when i log in. ok i get it i have reached the end lol

other question what are these? my beyond went from 99% to 96% but i have no idea what these are, i have all constellations

[eternal berry]

From what I'm reading that would explain why I had 2E101 gains from 1 day offline while now I only get 2e99 if I'm lucky

[hollow pelican]

||E30 generator/space object||

[nimble anchor]

so stuff not in game yet

[hollow pelican]

Yes, and will come in the future updates

[nimble anchor]

ok Thanks for the answers 💯

[humble gyro]

highest possible challenge level? (curious)

[clear zenith]

Legitimately, I think 3 or 4 I've not been playing enough to give a confident answer 😅 . But there doesn't seem to be a cap, so I've seen someone cheat their way up to 17

[steady dune]

6 , maybe up to 7/8 if that event is easy

Need very high badge bonus before trying it

And much power

[clear zenith]

Yeah, I'm nowhere near that

I just barely reached 3 one time

[steady dune]

-# back in my days doing highest

#🏆-share-your-prestige message
Ch 7 on event )

[modern hatch]

Whats this

[forest anchor]

https://ptb.discord.com/channels/488478892873744385/1478313855649058981

[magic lichen]

I finished 28 episode today it took me like what 9 days

[blazing prism]

live

and love

live and love

PEACE

[forest anchor]

17 devs again :0

[void tartan]

hi

[hollow pelican]

I ain't gonna say hi back, but hello

[void tartan]

why not

[hollow pelican]

idk

[void tartan]

ok

[twilit sluice]

the exact same outcome for different prices

[hollow pelican]

it ain't augmentation so I think it ain't a bug

[river thorn]

Hello there. Where can I post suggestions for the german translation?

[forest anchor]

#🌐-translations-crowdin

[forest anchor]

Pretty sure this is intended

[river thorn]

Thank you, but I dont see that channel

[forest anchor]

Huh?

Oh perhaps you have to be a beta tester

[river thorn]

I cant post in #💡-suggestions either

[lament temple]

How do I make a suggestion in Discord?

• Go to #🎭-semblance, use the /suggest command and type your suggestion in the dialog box. Your suggestion will first be reviewed by the moderators (to make sure it is related to the game/server and isn't a troll), and if it's approved, it will appear in #💡-suggestions for other people (and maybe the developers) to see.
• Do not create a thread directly in #💡-suggestions because that won't count and the thread will eventually be deleted.

Frequently Asked Questions • Requested by Electorus

[forest anchor]

However I've never seen a translation suggestion there before

[river thorn]

Aaaaah

Thank you

[hollow pelican]

is this what they were talking about just months ago? 🥀
who upgraded our chat in here

[turbid mica]

Are there more after these red ones?

[hollow pelican]

No, unless there's a future update that will add a new one.. right now the highest "tier" is the red one

[lucid thunder]

Hi

Do someone like has the background templates? Like the water on sponge, Medusa, etc

[turbid mica]

Ahh thank you, might be a short game after all 😂

[fluid delta]

You are only RL29, you have lots to go yet 🙂

[tawdry parrot]

so many ads

[upbeat meteor]

I feel like if they added a 4th or 5th level I would get them with the update instantly

[tawdry parrot]

is there any way to check the amount of ads u watched?

[hollow pelican]

No

[upbeat meteor]

No

Also Ello

[clear zenith]

Beyond's a little goofy. Haven't even completed the first objective (||rank Neptune to lvl13||) of ep20 but I've already passively completed the objective to unlock the first generator

I just wondered what the reqs were for it on a whim after buying ||Van Maanen|| and lo and behold, it was already unlockable

[dry cairn]

Ill often prioritize unlocking the new generators and not cash in any other objectives until ive unlocked all generators.

[clear zenith]

I just find it amusing because I was mostly trying to just get all the generators I already had bought, and just in that time I unintentionally had the next one unlocked

[fiery linden]

[true vigil]

formalhaut is my goat, both visuals and being a good generator

[tawdry parrot]

it looks great yeah

[ember locust]

its been 5 days and i went from beyond 23 to beyond 28

[lone bronze]

its the heliosphere of series II 🥹

[lone bronze]

its been 5 weeks and i went from beyond 27 to beyond 28

I play freemium btw

I haven't spent a single dollar in this game

[dense mango]

huh I have a bug rn...

for some reason my "0.01x for every primordial life form" or whatever says 1.5x although I have 980 of them...

[lofty galleon]

Hello chat

[warm umbra]

same

[wheat holly]

I should be finishing the tree in a few days

the reboot tree is mostly maxed out

[slender mist]

Wait, what tree?

[lone bronze]

lol, also congrats on getting orion spur!

I saw #🏆-share-your-prestige

[tranquil rivet]

Can someone please tell me what this thing is in beyond? I can't interactive with it at all

[wheat holly]

main

[warm umbra]

https://klipy.com/gifs/low-cortisol-agnes-tachyon

[turbid mica]

Reached my first sdc 😂

[rough axle]

Seems to be a placeholder that was accidentally left in, as I don’t see it in beta

[tranquil rivet]

hmmm, strange

Thank you

[warm umbra]

btw in ur opinion of perseus arm better than orion spur

[lone bronze]

perseus arm

[warm umbra]

https://klipy.com/gifs/roblox-pressure-pressure-game

[lone bronze]

I have nearly the exact same card levels on spur and perseus, and perseus is better

[warm umbra]

what sucks is that i need to focus on 2 astronomy misions

both on orion and perseus

[lone bronze]

oh right

episode 27 also has 2 astronomy missions

[warm umbra]

would it be logical to put betelgeuse in beyond

[lone bronze]

you know about the unique star pack in the logit store?

betelgeuse is in there

it doesn't boost anything, but it just exists

[warm umbra]

ye
ngl if i made beyond i would make betelgeuse an actual generator
same with the other massive stars

[lone bronze]

yeah

and I'd add the dwarf planets, at least as a logit prize

[wheat holly]

what power of 10 is that

42?

im not sure

might be less

rn im on e152

[turbid mica]

I'm not sure. I'm lost 😂

It's e54

[wheat holly]

oh i see

so i am 10⁹⁸ times better than you

[turbid mica]

Maybe this guy can help us in future 😂

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DS1JhNvgi_1/?igsh=MTBhYTd2NnM1N2huaw==

learnwithsherlock

Floating paper math. #mathematics #edutainment #learnwithsherlock #interesting #stem

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[lone bronze]

how are you already on the 100 noqag

im js starting the dqags 😭

[wheat holly]

i hav every upgrade on reboot tree bought

well most

[wheat holly]

anyway i was e155 before rebooting

im gonna end around e158 this reboot

[lone bronze]

WHAT

also has anyone gotten the tachyon funnel yet

I think it costs e30 metabits, or 1 no for the classic users

[wheat holly]

if did, then it was befor the last update

right now im pretty sure its not possible

[lone bronze]

oh damn

how many metabits do you get per reboot

[wheat holly]

the nunber keeps increasing

last was like 7e26

now i aim for morr naturally

could pull 1e28

[turbid mica]

Are you at max. Level like the end of the game then? Is this funnel thingy the last piece

[dry cairn]

The last single node.

There is a 100 node that gets more expensive than Tachyon.

Idea Booster XI

But thats on the other side of the tree so is the other currency.

[fluid delta]

Oh, yeah, a bunch of us have

[charred patio]

Should l go. Or l should stay

Y'all

Should l ??

[fluid delta]

looks like you have plenty of reasons to end the sim and buy nodes, yeah!

[charred patio]

Ok bro @fluid delta

Here bro

[lament temple]

What constellations are best?

• Find the constellation that boosts your most effective generators. If you can fully afford it, do so, unless you're moving on to a new objective soon (because new objectives may grant new generators that are more powerful).
• Here are common significant constellations in each phase:
• Phase 1: Scorpio, Gemini, Aquarius, Aries
• Phase 2: Eridanus, Canis Major, Perseus, Hercules, Ophiuchus
• If you have unlocked all the desired constellations, assemble Argo Navis for something special. ;)

Tips and Tricks • Requested by Pirate

[ionic sable]

I can’t seem to sign into Google for my account on my iPhone. It’s not an option, but I seem to recall doing this before…

Am I just crazy?

[forest anchor]

<@&535129309648781332> scam

[azure turtle]

!ban 1141103295419666574 crypto scam

[bright otter]

Banned nickname_67 (Case #4406) (user notified with a direct message)

[azure turtle]

Thanks

[wicked lagoon]

do I need to wait for the time chamber to fill before buying for all my future runs to get lot of metabits?

i mean entrobits and ideabits

[rough axle]

*metabits and knowledge

[dusty hinge]

How was the trick for later players to no buy anything until time chamber reach 14 days? How does work? You need to have all the thing buy?

[hollow pelican]

Recommended for players that have nothing to do again, It will max out all the time chamber for entropy, idea, metabits, and knowledge (because the longest time chamber is 14 days), and the point of the 14 days empty sim run is mainly to get the best start for metabits and knowledge

[clear zenith]

seems to be a bug, that's all

[edgy nova]

Is this rare?

[clear zenith]

as rare as any other number on the leaderboard. still neat, though

[white egret]

i mean if anything the larger a number is the more "rare" it is, theres always gonna be 10000 people ona leaderboard, but being the 500k-th? or any sufficiently large nth?

per month ofc

[wicked lagoon]

crazy

[hollow pelican]

why are you seeing the past

[amber canyon]

I don't think an iPhone will ever be able to link your game to GooglePlay.

Are you thinking of Cross-platform Save? If so, check the pins for a post from TheQuickFox.

[hollow pelican]

I'm sorry, have you tried the first version of the game 1970 alpha "jellyfish test"?

[white egret]

google play (and the other google play app) might still be installable and therefore a save could be made there, but im literally just guessing