💬-cells-chat

[cold vigil]

considering the new time chambers

doesnt sound posible

[worn dirge]

Can't get past this

[fallen sand]

Oh come on, it's only about 4 million spam runs for me. Sounds easy

[cold vigil]

yea im at that point as well

i dont think were meant to get further

some did it previous update

but now its not possible

[worn dirge]

not yet

or

not for a long while

[cold vigil]

nah next update trust

[fallen sand]

How much does a max empty-sim get people at that point anyway?

[cold vigil]

wdym max empty-sim

[fallen sand]

empty sim until all the time chambers are maxed out

[cold vigil]

why empty?

[fallen sand]

Which I'm assuming is still the most time-efficient way

Oh, did they change the fill calculation?

[worn dirge]

All of the metabit time things take 7d to max

[cold vigil]

yeah

[fallen sand]

Previously your Metabits/Knowledge gained was determined at the time you fill the bar

[worn dirge]

the other things are 14d

[amber canyon]

These seemed impossible until empty sim was discovered.

[cold vigil]

yeah not anymor

[fallen sand]

When I say fills, I mean these

[cold vigil]

[amber canyon]

Think that's still the case. Empty Sim is less OP, but remains the optimal approach afaik.

[fallen sand]

That's what I thought 👍

[hollow pelican]

I'm still wondering why we need to wait until the time chamber fills up, can't we just buy anything in the process?

[fallen sand]

see my comment above

If you buy somehting, you start getting Entropy/KNowledge, which fills up the Metabit/Knowledge containers. When it fills, you earn Metabits/Knowledge

The problem is that the amount you earn for filling that bar is locked in when you fill it

[amber canyon]

Because if you get fills before the Metabit/Knowledge multipliers have built up to x100, you earn x100 less than waiting till it's maxed.

[fallen sand]

So whatever your timechamber multipliers are at at that point get applied

[hollow pelican]

well, ok

thanks

[dry cairn]

I do my math in whatever the top node is atm. (Neutrino -> Graviton -> Tachon Funnel) 😅
Previous run got the equivalent of 778 Tachyon Funnels.

[polar viper]

and the dev was wondering if it would confuse people, if the metabit/knowledge chambers apply to all generated currency in the run

meanwhile every day 200 questions what empty sim is and why it works

[minor quest]

I assume this strat is only relevant late game?

[worn dirge]

So I should wait for my time chamber multipliers to go up before I start filling the metabit/knowledge containers (buying upgrades)

[fallen sand]

When more time goes on, your time chambers get stronger, but they don't apply to what you've already earned. And since each successive fill gets harder and harder, you end up earning less than if you'd bought nothing until your time chambers maxed out

[fallen sand]

Yes, if you're anywhere near end-game.

[worn dirge]

I am end game

[amber canyon]

Def.

Early / mid-game reboot-spamming is still optimal afaik.

[fallen sand]

Early on, you get so many RE upgrades that the boost from a reset outweighs the time spent waiting

[fallen sand]

Is that why they've implemented it this way? 😞

Because it would be fairly trivial to swap to a dynamic calc

[amber canyon]

Buying generators.

Anything that makes fills happen needs to be avoided as much as possible.

[worn dirge]

I understand

okay

what are they called? time jumps?

[fallen sand]

I suppose you could buy Planet Earth and the one after, sinc ethey don't give any income

[fallen sand]

This? does nothing if you have no generators

[amber canyon]

To min-max that is.

From a gameplay perspective ... Well, I can say that staring at an empty sim for weeks is ... Not exciting 🤣.

[fallen sand]

If it wasn't for events I'd probably have quit

[worn dirge]

It would be nice if when you spent Darwinium on time flux's, it would grant a time jump boost to the time capsule as well

To like a few hours

[fallen sand]

I wonder if that might be too strong

[worn dirge]

Possibly

P2w users would spend like 500 darwinium on maxing their time capsules in the first 10 minutes 🙏

[amber canyon]

Note, empty sim is specifically is to min-max knowledge and metabits.

It does not have the same effect on ideas and entropy (because they don't have the fill mechanic).

Ofc strengthening your RE by getting lots of metabits/knowledge is a very good way to improve your idea and entropy production on the next run. And therefore your XP, and RL.

[amber canyon]

My game's on hold basically. I'm collecting DW etc, but not intending to try progress much until something happens.

[amber canyon]

#🧾-beta-patch-notes message

[fallen sand]

Speaking of on hold...still waiting on the next event upgrade

I was right, this is definitely a wall

[amber canyon]

I think I thought it was a deliberate wall be the Devs? It seemed thematic?

[fallen sand]

That sound plausible

I had hoped that some of these upgrades would unlock much better ones and it'd speed up again

But it's been more-or-less about 2h per upgrade

[amber canyon]

Found it! #💬-beta-chat message

[minor quest]

yeah I'm on 4x and progress is feeling very slowwww

think I've still got 3 or 4 upgrades left too

[fallen sand]

The current verbiage doesn't specify that it's locked in, so it's six one-way half-dozen the other. I just think that dynamic calculation ("retroactive application") would confuse fewer users, but it seems they disagree

[amber canyon]

... Just show the 'base' earnings with a 'multiplier if you cash in'. Seems much simpler to me ...

[dry cairn]

Agree, most people dont know how it works anyway.

[fallen sand]

Dynamic calculation has been the way that almost every similar game does it, in my experience

[amber canyon]

I wonder why ... Lol.

[fallen sand]

So they're going against the industry standard, which is likely to confuse more people. But 🤷‍♀️

[worn dirge]

Well look at that

Nice

[fallen sand]

The game is playable enough that it's not a huge sticking point, especially after the last nerf to TCs

[amber canyon]

But implementing a new currency is the answer! #💬-beta-chat message

[dry cairn]

I didnt bother looking up info or using any strategy for the first couple years I played this. Just logged in for a few minutes a day, bought what I could afford, repeat.

You get to the end game and have nothing left to do eventually

[fallen sand]

For me, optimizing is the game. It's a puzzle that I'm solving

[fathom stirrup]

Other than wait for new updates.

[amber canyon]

TBF neither did I. The RR has brought additional complexity.

I liked opening the game up, collecting stuff and seeing if I could buy a new thing. It ... Worked ... For me.

[dry cairn]

The Reality Reboot definitely pulled me back into being more active

[amber canyon]

And imo that complexity has added exploits without adding meaningful depth. 🤷

[fallen sand]

I do think that the frequency and content of purchase items makes this work a lot better than in other games

[amber canyon]

Def something that is more of a puzzle now.

Out of interest, did you discover empty sim yourself?

[dry cairn]

Ill leave all the mathing to Tesco, Nora, and others 😃

[fallen sand]

"I bought the 5% better antimatter upgrade" vs "I got the gazelles upgrade, with an icon and description"

[fallen sand]

No, I saw it in being discussed here. I'm sure in time I would have

I was looking for documentation around spam-resets since I was seeing some unexpected behaviour (increasing reset requirements)

This was in service of calculating time-efficiency of various reset strategies, so empty sim would've definitely tripped an alarm when my calculations didn't match

[amber canyon]

I remember buying a DW thingy partway through a long run in December. I expected it to affect the Metabit stuff I'd earnt so far in the run. It didn't. That was when it hit me.

I didn't try solve it though. I sorta backed away from it (but knew it was an issue). Tried very hard to not-think-about-it and stopped playing for a bit.

[fallen sand]

Haha, fair enough

[dry cairn]

That reset/fills requirement is random. They are equal up to 150 resets, then its permanent just 3 after that.

[fallen sand]

Yeah, I don't get it

I assume they half-implemented something and then quickly nerfed it to prevent soft-locking

[amber canyon]

I imagine the Devs just didn't extrapolate it?

They seemed to think that a typical run would be 7 days (even up to quite recently). They didn't predict Spam-Rebooting.

So... 'up to 150 is enough' ... ?

[fathom stirrup]

what are you talking ybout right now?

[amber canyon]

The constraint that you need to do a certain number of fills before you can reset (Upgrade Universe)

[warm umbra]

https://klipy.com/gifs/egg-crack

[fathom stirrup]

today I noticed for first time there is "upgrade locked, Converter Fills:xx/yy" on top in RE - is that what you are discussing right now?

[dry cairn]

They could just remove it completely

[fallen sand]

Yes #💬-cells-chat message

[fathom stirrup]

ok, thanks, I wasn't sure. BTW I managed to get 2 fills, probably by using nanobots in other simulations and than going back to Primary - did it hinder some Metabit genration?

[fallen sand]

It can essentially be ignored

[dry cairn]

2 out of 1500+ isn't anything significant

[fathom stirrup]

wasn't sure if the game "remembers the settings" of first cycle for Metabit generation

[fallen sand]

It does, but that doesn't matter too much

Think of it this way: every 'early' fill costs you a 'late' fill

[amber canyon]

I can't see anyway this could be realistically be implemented as it is. It's either going to soft-lock or be irrelevant (depending on the number required).

Maybe if they had the number reducing over time to avoid soft locks? But that seems just seems complexity for no reason.

I hope they'll remove it. And not turn it into e.g. a potential soft-lock that you can spend DW to get out of ...

[fallen sand]

But you'll have a LOT of late 'fills' so 1 or 2 doesn't matter

[fallen sand]

Yeah, a time-based softlock to prevent spam-reboots seems the most sensible...But that would just force empty-sim harder

It's interesting that they've failed to properly incentivize their goal (play 'properly' for about 7 days) from both extremes

[amber canyon]

Much as I'm not keen on Empty Sim, I dislike Spam-Rebooting more 🤣.

[dry cairn]

Empty sim strategy didnt exist until they added time chambers with the Reality Reboot a few months ago

[fallen sand]

I do have to agree

I dropped...Crush Crush? because the only viable strat was spaming the fastest reset you could hundred, or thousands of times.
Or, of course, whaling.

For as many nitpicks as I have, C2S overall is pretty fair with their monetization

They could probably get away with a lot worse

[amber canyon]

-# I really do just want a chilled idle game with an interesting topic 😭

[lone bronze]

do time fluxes affect time chambers

random question but ye

[dry cairn]

Not yet....

[fallen sand]

#💬-cells-chat message

[amber canyon]

Oh, as an aside. I think the Devs goal is (was?) to allow players to have a choice of how to play (short, medium or long). And presumably this would have involved some tactical RE purchasing.

Unfortunately while players do have a choice, the min-max meta is very strong at all points in the game. So choosing not to do the meta (as I did when I noped out of Spam-Rebooting) is objectively 'bad'. And the cost escalation in the RE means there's very little choice in what to buy: everybody's RE at a given progress-amount will look largely the same.

[lofty galleon]

I am not dead

[fallen sand]

That's fair. Idle game balancing tends to be pretty difficult because the extreme scaling means that any strategic differences have outsized effects.
A slightly more optimal strategy will often be significantly better than a slightly less optimal one.
Targeting the optimum for balance means that not min-maxing stalls any progress, while the reverse means that some players 'skip' too far ahead

I'm thinking particularly of Realm Grinder, where a handful of 'good' setups will work on the order of hours or days while everything else would take years

I think perhaps the best short-medium-long implementation I've seen is in Idle Wizard, but even there it falls apart at points

[amber canyon]

Maybe I should look at other idle games ... But the thing that really drew me into this was it's theme. All the interesting little bits of info that have sent me (and still do) wandering around the internet finding out new stuff.

[clear zenith]

omg I got one of them

[fathom stirrup]

I played 2 idle games before - ocean cleaner and mathematical one

[fallen sand]

There are some early ones I still don't have

[fathom stirrup]

A game changer

[clear zenith]

I've played a handful - Clicker Heroes, Cookie Clicker, Candy Box, and prob some others I'm forgetting

[fathom stirrup]

hmm cookie clicker does ring a bell to me

[clear zenith]

it might be the idle game lol

[fallen sand]

CC is a perfect example of what I was complaining about here

At some point it's just setting up your farm, freezing it, and waiting for the optimal RNG golden cookie combo. Nothing else you do matters

Before that it was pretty fun though

[clear zenith]

ngl I never really figured out the farm stuff

[amber canyon]

Huh. I think I assumed it was a match-3 type of game.

[fallen sand]

That would be...Honey Pop, I think?

[clear zenith]

Candy Crush?

[fallen sand]

Ah, that's probably the one

[amber canyon]

That's the one I got it confused with. Very much dislike those games.

[clear zenith]

so not having heard of this, I looked it up, and it's half match-3 half dating sim??? lol

[white egret]

i think a larger problem CTS has is that it doesnt have alot of differing features, all of these idle games are just optimisation problems, but CTS is simple enough that its too easy to optimise

theres only so many variables that effect your bit gain, and chambers is the largest

[strange lark]

What the hell

[clear zenith]

hey, it's what I was able to find 🤷‍♂️

[strange lark]

Hop on match 3 date lowk

[amber canyon]

That is probably the most intriguing description of a match-3 game I've ever seen. I can only imagine it's awful.

[fathom stirrup]

I am sure devs love to hear CTS is simple enough game 😄

[clear zenith]

well I'm not gonna find out

[fallen sand]

I like match-3 games! But because the mechanics are easily programmed it's low-hanging fruit for any minimal effort slop

I vaguely recall Honey Pop being not too bad, though

[amber canyon]

I will happily watch films that are so-bad-they're-good.

I don't think I have the same mindset for games.

[clear zenith]

it's worse when you're an active participant in the bad

[fallen sand]

The worst one I can recall was Hell Girls

Which had pretty decent gameplay and pretty terrible everything else

[clear zenith]

it'd have to be really goofy slop to be enjoyable I think

[fallen sand]

I wish there were as many 'remove R18' mods as there were 'add R18' mods for games

[clear zenith]

but for the most part you laugh at it the first time and then it's just meh

[fallen sand]

Not for a moral reason, but for quality

Oh hey! I can afford an upgrade

And we settle in for another 2h wait

[clear zenith]

yes please

there has been more than one time a game has caught my eye for graphics, soundtrack, etc, then I look into it more and it's one of those games

[white egret]

was making brekkie but quite literally it is simple, the only thing in control of the player that changes per run is when they start the run (per chambers)

[amber canyon]

I don't really want to be faced by 18+ stuff when playing mobile games. Don't have a moral objection per se (although a lot of the ads seem problematic in terms of age and consent).

[white egret]

the RE upgrades can only be bought, and theyre only positive

[fallen sand]

What do you buy next? Is more-or-less the only question, and a simple greedy-algo performs pretty well

[white egret]

without more choices on the player side there will for the most part only be 1 optimal play style

[white egret]

exactly

but (per paraphrasing JimmyB) they dont want to have more complicated choice systems (the exact example used was AD's time theorems tree)

so there will be for the most part only 1 or so optimal playstyle

[fallen sand]

"AD is over-complicated" seems pretty uncontroversial to me

[white egret]

yeah true

but im talking about the one feature

[fallen sand]

Perhaps C2S is overcompensating for that, but it works well enough so good for them

[amber canyon]

Probably don't need to look at more than 3-4 things. About as complicated as backgammon (without gambling / doubling)?

[white egret]

yes it works for the casual player, which in all reality is their main target, but the late game play becomes stagnant

[fallen sand]

Mmm, I'd argue that late-game stagnation of most idle (and general progression-based) games

[clear zenith]

yep. there's not really an "end" to most of them

[fallen sand]

But moreover picking their niche and doing it well is probably good for the industry

[white egret]

yeah true, im talking more in "innovation" of strategy

[amber canyon]

Part of the reason cells has an end is because of the theme being real 😭.

[fallen sand]

Like, if C2S is a good but simple game, that's great for anyone who wants that! If I want something else I'll play something else

[white egret]

yeah youre right, still imma complain a little bit lol

[fallen sand]

But if nobody is making good and simple games, then anyone who wants one will be disappointed

[fallen sand]

For sure; I don't mean to dismiss your comments at all

[white egret]

oh no i didnt think you were

all good lol

[amber canyon]

Your problem is, is that they are trying to hide it being simple behind pointless complexity, and you keep noticing. Just stop noticing, k?

[white egret]

if you understand cause and effect this aint for you 💯

[amber canyon]

(that was intended to be teasing btw)

[timid pine]

About to sleep soon. Curious if i should restart this run without doing the last objective. Ill do the 1 more dinusaur. Not sure if it will hurt me in the long run.

[fathom stirrup]

I would go to sleep and have a great morning 🙂

[timid pine]

Not going just yet. Just want to know if i ruin anything later down the road by calling asteriod early

[fathom stirrup]

not really, I almost never wait for this Collect task

[timid pine]

Also i have so mani things i couldevolve but havent. Due to the evolve card task lol

[fathom stirrup]

Just made a new personal best

[fathom stirrup]

you don't necessarily need to evolve lower level dinosaurs - max 4-6 is enough

[timid pine]

Ah ok.

Also im at a point in the main world. Where i feel id benefit greatly from few speed runs. Buy if it requirement for esch reset increases. Not sure what ill do if i get stuck.

[swift heron]

New players baffle me everytime like did the devs change the game's system or something
Getting to beyond episode 12 took me about a month how did you get to it in 3 days

Because it's a mammal not a dinosaur (I think)

You know that's a thing built into windows 10 and 11 right?

[timid pine]

Windows key + s, i believe

[rough axle]

windows shift s

[timid pine]

Oh thats it

[wraith terrace]

You won't get stuck. Ever. You can't ruin your game. The worst that can happen, is you have to wait a bit.

[timid pine]

Do beyond affect main simulation in any way?

[wraith terrace]

Slight speed bonus

[timid pine]

How slight? If it very slightly why is it even there :D

[wraith terrace]

I'd have to check. I believe it was nerfed at some point

[timid pine]

I mean i have no reason to play a side game if it doesnt affect main simulation.

[wraith terrace]

About 13.9 times faster idea generation and 4.9 times faster entropy generation

[timid pine]

Thats significant.

[wraith terrace]

But why skip one large part of the game? Beyond is cool

You need reality upgrades, though

Concerning things that can make your game harder: there are 2 achievements in the primary sim that are essier when you have fewer bonus nodes

[timid pine]

I dont really consider something completly detached from main game part of the game. Its essentially aa new game (if it gave no bonuses that is)

[wraith terrace]

That's your opinion.

Why do you play meso, then?

[timid pine]

It gives me glitches.

[wraith terrace]

As I said, don't buy them yet, if you want an easier time with those achieves

[timid pine]

But yeah loosly connected worlds wad never a favourite of mine. Like same thing happened in adventure capitalists.

A choice of prefference really. Not saying its bad, just not my cup of tea.

[tawdry parrot]

mollusks unlocked, lets see what the hype is about

[tawdry parrot]

beyond has glitches too

although u dont need to get far to get them all

[indigo atlas]

Seven.

[clear zenith]

As a relatively new player (about two months in), it definitely took me longer than three days to get that far. I'm pretty sure it took me at least three days just to unlock Beyond (RR scooted it later than it used to be), let alone get to level five. I'm at episode 18 currently

[clear zenith]

To add on to what others have said, progressing through Meso and Beyond can also give you more Darwinium (), both from achievements and opening geodes and stars

[ember locust]

no, the built in one is called snipping tool and it sucks horribly, and cannot screenshot anything in a game thats fullscreen, if you make a mistake you cant change it, and you cant draw on your pics

lightshot and flameshot and programs that are both a thousand times better

snipping tool is horrible

[clear zenith]

well there's also windows+f10 for fullscreen, and you can mark it up and crop afterwards

[ember locust]

why would i bother with all that stuff that fucks with my screen and doesnt have all the features i want

when lightshot, a program from 15 years ago, does everything better

[clear zenith]

I've yet to see you name a feature that I can't do with the built-in stuff

[swift heron]

1- you CAN draw on them using the snipping tool app
2- you can screenshot games when in fullscreen

[ember locust]

yes after saving it to your computer, and opening the file and editing the file

[clear zenith]

(scratch that I see you mentioned you can resize the box before saving the screenshot. my computer can't do that but my browser's screenshots (firefox) can)

[ember locust]

which is an enormous hassle

[swift heron]

No you can edit it directly from the snipping tool app

[clear zenith]

for me the screenshot just pops up as a notif that I can click on to mark it up

[ember locust]

lightshot lets you click and drag a box, and the you can move that box around, resize it as you want, and even screenshot multiple screens together. it also tells you the exact pixel size of the box you are screenshotting and offers several drawing tools that you can use immediately without going to anything else, when youre satisfied with what youve done you click the copy to clipboard button

you can also upload the picture to the website in 1 click in case youre in a chat when you cant post images but can post links

[clear zenith]

for me, I have all the tools I need to do all of those except for screenshot multiple screens (which I don't have), so it works for me. to each their own though 🤷‍♂️

[ember locust]

https://prnt.sc/G4OS4PgTTVSK

or this

[ember locust]

also no, screenshotting the majority of fullscreen games tabs out of the game in order to open snipping tool, which then makes you take a screenshot of a black screen, the only other option is to take a manual fullscreen screenshot which you then have to edit afterwards if you only want to screenshot a specific thing

[clear zenith]

ngl I think your computer might just hate you in that regard. The only time it turns into a black screen for me is when I try to screenshot a video I'm streaming on a paid service like Netflix

[ember locust]

this is what lightshot looks like btw, way nicer than snipping tool with all your tools immediately available while you screenshot

[ember locust]

no this is genuinely the majority complaint with snipping tool

that you cannot screenshot games that are fullscreen

[clear zenith]

huh. my computer's never done that

[ember locust]

if youre talking about modern games, they arent fullscreen, theyre windowed borderless

older games dont have windowed borderless

[clear zenith]

well that's an option I can change in most game settings, and I've definitely played in actual fullscreen before...

I think what it comes down to is we have different computers that work in slightly different ways 🤷‍♂️

[ember locust]

windowed borderless games look fullscreen but you can move your mouse off if it and open your taskbar without your graphics driver freaking out, fullscreen games have your actual windows explorer minimuzed which is why it takes a second of black screen to tab out of fullscreen, which is what snipping tool cannot deal with, because it works via windows explorer

snipping tool is genuinely buns in every aspect

[clear zenith]

again, I'm just telling you how mine works, and what you're describing is not something my computer does (yes I'm certain it's actual fullscreen, not borderless window; I've played with both and borderless windowed does not cooperate with my computer for whatever reason). you've got your system that works for you, and I've got my system that works for me

[ember locust]

play any game released before 2015

such as dragons dogma or dark souls 1 or 2

to name a few

[clear zenith]

uhhh off the top of my head I've got FNAF lol

I can check if that works 😅

oh and Portal

[ember locust]

most common would be skyrim

snipping tool does not work on skyrim

[clear zenith]

I don't have a lot of common games

older-ish ones anyhow

[ember locust]

do u have 1 or 2 screens

[clear zenith]

1

so Portal is just freaking out in general lol

[ember locust]

the issue is most prominent with people who have an extra screen because your graphics driver is running 2 screens with 1 fullscreen and 1 normal

[clear zenith]

ah I see

[ember locust]

but yeah most people with decent setups avoid snipping tool

[swift heron]

Episode 29 spoilers
Finally completed the main episodes in the beyond simulation
Next goal: complete all constellations and get all trait cards

[ember locust]

all constellations

[swift heron]

Yes

[ember locust]

[swift heron]

Theres a total of 35 at beyond episode 29

And they're EXPENSIVE

[ember locust]

i just unlocked the ||crab nebula||

[swift heron]

Completing all the constellations will take about a year I think

[ember locust]

i think 15 or 17 days of gameplay

[clear zenith]

I can't imagine having enough stars for that for a long time 😵‍💫

[swift heron]

At some point in beyond there will be a constellation that makes all 3 red dwarf missions only take 6 hours
That would become the best way to get constellations

[ember locust]

does endgame give a reliable way to unlocks tars

[swift heron]

Because that's 3 stars every 6 hours
The constellation mission takes 72 hours

10% chance for constellation per star

So that should be 90% chance every 18 hours which is much better than the constellation mission

[swift heron]

The one that I mentioned

[ember locust]

i was at mesozoic rank 41 earlier and in the last 3h i went up to rank 6

who was it that said mesozoic rank 40-50 are slow and take days

[swift heron]

Dude you're like speed running the game or something
I've been playing since 2020 and I'm JUST finishing beyond rn

[ember locust]

its not that hard i dont think

i mean i have the pass

[swift heron]

Brother episode 28 took 23 days with 4x overdrive and constant ads

[ember locust]

but i dont think the pass should make THAT much of a difference

[swift heron]

The amount of time needed ramps up ALOT at the last episodds

[ember locust]

idk man episode 22 to 23 took about 12h

[clear zenith]

how

I've been on 18 for a few days, and that's with the 4x boost

how often are you actively playing?

[ember locust]

i check every 30 min to an hour

[clear zenith]

well, you've got more free time than I do

dunno how often you should be optimally checking in but you're definitely closer to it than me

[ember locust]

if im home ill and actively gaming ill have it on my off screen or my phone and check whenever i get bored

if im at work ill check maybe every 2 or 3h

i did buy like 2 blue dwarfs and 2 black holes just to get my t3 cards started but even then it shouldnt still make that much of a difference

[swift heron]

Episode 29 took me 16 days
Whereas episode 28 took me 23 days
BUT the reason episode 29 took much shorter was because I got very lucky when opening dwarf stars and was able to upgrade the trait card for ||local void|| THREE TIMES!

That's like 8x production boost

[ember locust]

and surely after months of playing you wouldve bought those once or twice

[swift heron]

O yea I forgot to mention this is the amount of time it took WITH 4x overdrive

[ember locust]

x4 overdrive should be standard

i expect myself to reach 25 within a few days

[swift heron]

[ember locust]

maybe spend a day or 2 on 26 27 28 and maybe 3 or 6 days on 29

i mean

22 didnt take long

[swift heron]

You're gonna hit a huge roadblock after beyond episode 26

Buddy beyond episode 29 took MONTHS for people after its nerf
even the devs agreed that they might have nerfed episode 29 a bit too much

[swift heron]

I have only gotten 3 blackholes in my whole playtime and they were all won by explore event leaderboards

[ember locust]

hm

surely youd run out of things to buy with darwinium

[swift heron]

Once I get all the modules in the main simulation I'll probably end up having too much darwinium over time

[ember locust]

only thing for me to spend my darwinium on rn is the 100 darwinium packages

[swift heron]

Yea but that will take a few more months

[swift heron]

What about the augments and modules and upgrades

In the main sim

[swift heron]

I forgot upgrades existed so I still have much more time to go

[ember locust]

they all been maxed

[swift heron]

How the hell

[ember locust]

i spent like 30$

not much

I got these cause they were a great deal

Whats the last one?

[dry cairn]

Placeholder for a Meso boost. Nothing there yet.

[ember locust]

ah

[clear zenith]

iirc it was in beta at some point, so a very small number of people do have it

[jolly spade]

How am I suppose to complete this?

[rough axle]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-yoda-patience-sw3-gif-21070142

[fickle lynx]

hello

[rough axle]

https://tenor.com/view/hey-lego-city-lego-hi-gif-16196642

[lament temple]

✅ Selected Gameplay. What question would you like to ask?

Primary Simulation

-# [OUTDATED] 1. Why did my game reset when I activated the Singularity?
-# [OUTDATED] 2. Does the Singularity reset my simulation again when I reach it a second time?
3. How do I access the expansions (Mesozoic Valley/Beyond)?
4. What are sharks, and/or how do I get them?

Reality Engine

-# [OUTDATED] 5. What are Metabit Simulation Levels (eN)?
-# [OUTDATED] 6. Why is my Metabit production so low?
7. What are Nanobots? How do they work?

Mesozoic Valley & Beyond

8. I can't get the photography missions to work. What am I doing wrong?
9. Where's the dinosaur simulation?
10. Why aren't my dinosaurs making money by themselves?
11. How do I upgrade my fossils-per-tap?
12. Does rebooting your main simulation reset the Mesozoic Valley?
13. How to unlock reptiles/birds?
14. What's the maximum extinction (rank) in Mesozoic Valley?
15. What is prestige? How can I do it and what's the maximum prestige level?

Explorations

16. Why is the Artificial Intelligence generator so slow?

Frequently Asked Questions • Requested by Hideki Ryuga🌀

[real storm]

Hmmm wut

[old ermine]

we need more content

its been about a week and a half since i completed pretty much everything so far, the events are cool, but the progression duration is pretty much always the same, appropriately so. so i have no choice but to play other games

[ember locust]

Try cifi, there's easily years of content

[old ermine]

currently doing a standard runthrough of exponential idle.. will check it out after though

looks cool

[dry cairn]

Potentially not possible on this run. Might have to reset and buy more nodes in the Reality Engine.

[jolly spade]

Already did that

I am getting kind of close.

[dry cairn]

Okay definitely an improvement. You went from e135 to e139 per second.

Sometimes you do have to just let it sit for a while until you have enough to buy some big nodes in the Reality Engine

[fading drum]

What Earth skin yall got?

[inner maple]

Golden Earth

[fading drum]

"You were here."

[forest anchor]

Golden Earth

[fading drum]

Funny how it costs 999 Dwm

[clear zenith]

I have the Earth.

[mental stump]

What happened to the cyborg tile in the primary simulation?

[forest anchor]

Removed temporarily

[mental stump]

Ok

[fluid delta]

cifi? what's that?

[steel torrent]

I just started the AI event

Guys is this a bug

[steady dune]

A company with games and

I'm now playing

[fluid delta]

Which are?

[steady dune]

Second one

[fluid delta]

Tell me in words, not an icon, what app that is

[steady dune]

Cell Idle Factory Incremental

[fluid delta]

Thanks!

[fluid delta]

It either isn't on iOS/iPadOS, or you mistranslated the name, there is nothing by that name in the App Store

[steady dune]

It is on Android only

[fluid delta]

Ah ok, that would explain it. Thanks!

[lament temple]

Why is the Artificial Intelligence generator so slow?

• It represents how slow AI was when it was first invented. As you progress through the exploration, it will get much faster, until it eventually becomes the best generator you have.

Frequently Asked Questions • Requested by Electorus

[forest anchor]

please read FAQ given

[vocal creek]

For anyone that does the 21 day strat, how long do you let your sim run after finishing all 21 days?

[fluid delta]

When the fills only happen very slowly. Maybe an hour? Though keep in mind that the cap is now 14 days, not 21, if you have the most recent update (Nerf)

[visual heron]

In the Mind Machines event currently going on, is it optimal (or even possible) to only buy upgrades that don't slow down AI? Been searching for it a bit but can't find a definite answer

[fluid delta]

No. Just buy the nodes you can, in order of cost. You'll get there.

[visual heron]

alright, ty

[clear zenith]

I'm not certain on that, but even with upgrades that slow it, I've gotten it down to taking less than an hour to fill

[visual heron]

yeah mine is pretty fast too, and I read somewhere it becomes your best generator at some point

[clear zenith]

I mean...there's the FAQ about it a few messages up lol

my guess is you saw another iteration of it

[fluid delta]

AI only becomes the best generator at basically the very end. Trying to delay taking nodes that slows the AI generator actually ends up making the event take longer. Up to you ofc!

[visual heron]

hah, that'd be where I saw it I guess 🙂

[jagged eagle]

What hapenned with automatization? Was It scrapped? Or changed?

[jagged eagle]

You"ll get later on nodes that make It go faster its kind of a joke from the devs

[fluid delta]

ask in #💬-beta-chat

[mellow carbon]

I was running it for a day. Most of the value came in the first hour, but I figured I'd waited 21 days, I wanted to extract a bit more. I was buying generators along the way which speeds it up.

[steel torrent]

Thanks

[wraith terrace]

What exactly is supposed to be the benefit of an empty sim?

[amber canyon]

Until I've got the XP and fills I'm aiming for. Usually ~1 day. Note extra generators you buy during that time can speed up your rate of XP a lot.

[amber canyon]

Orders of magnitude more metabits and knowledge. Previously ~1 million times more, now ~ ten thousand times more.

#💬-cells-chat message

[wraith terrace]

But don't I get those anyway? I mean, plus the stuff I collect along the way?

[amber canyon]

No.

You know how on a normal run you get almost all your fills in the first 15 mins? Well, they haven't got any time node multiplier if you do it straight away. If you wait till the time nodes are maxed, all those fills get multiplied by the full value of the relevant time nodes.

The game uses the multiplier at the point you complete the fill; not the multiplier when you cash in.

[frank hedge]

anyone can help me find back my account?

[desert flax]

[real storm]

Uhĥhhn

Ummmm

hhmmmm

ugh

[hollow pelican]

what emotions are you trying to convey, former jester?

[real storm]

Jester? Im not a jester now im jester before

[real storm]

Ignore "Jester", i was just confused nothing is bad

[whole gulch]

Not on Beta, is it possible 100% Beyond? I’m at 97% and not sure what I’m missing.

[real storm]

What rank are yu now in beyond

[real storm]

"Universe complete" so now you completed this entire simulation

[whole gulch]

Yes, but not at 100% complete for Beyond.

[real storm]

Oh you did missed something, bro.

[whole gulch]

Yeah, and I can’t figure it out. 😂

[real storm]

Buy the 3 stars in the logits it costs 150 logits

Do yu have enough logits

[polar viper]

On live you cant get 100% atm because there are already the e30 achievements

[whole gulch]

Got… I was almost certain it was related to that. Thanks for confirming!

[polar viper]

You can see the spaces for the new generators and the new constellations

[whole gulch]

Yes, I saw them and couldn’t figure out what I was missing. 😂

When is the next beyond update planned?

Seems silly to have that count against you when looking at your stats and if you are 100%, if it’s not possible to complete. 🤷‍♂️

[real storm]

No idea

[polar viper]

Its already a few weeks in beta. So i hope soon, but as long as we got no confirmation from devs its just guessing

Here u see infos first btw (spoilery ofc):
https://discord.com/channels/488478892873744385/1200105238208708668

[fathom stirrup]

Infinity pass is brutal asset. Beyond episode 28 currently 24h in and 17/24 requirements are done. I am certain I will finish it latest tommorrow morning which would bring the timer to ~ 40hours.

[whole gulch]

I would agree with that. I just started playing last summer.

[swift heron]

The entirety of beyond 28 took me less time than the last mission

Well not the entirety but most of it

[fathom stirrup]

what?

[swift heron]

Ranking up ||quasar||

Takes a long time

[fathom stirrup]

Oh, I see - you are saying last requirement is extremly time consuming.

[swift heron]

Yes

[ember locust]

Cells: idle factory incremental
Its a mobile idle game that I've been playing for a few months and while every day whenever I play I feel my progress, im still nowhere near even the middle of the game

[fathom stirrup]

Ok, let me report back tommorrow 😛

[swift heron]

Is that a different game than cts

[ember locust]

Hi fellow cifi fan

[ember locust]

Im assuming it works exactly like it does in cifi, you delay starting your Sim until your multiplier from the time chamber his very high, so that your initial megabits loops start at a much higher level of income and you lose less

[ember locust]

Whats cts

[swift heron]

Cell to singularity
The game this server is about

[ember locust]

Yes its a different game

Someone was asking for alternate games to play because they finished cell to singularity

[hollow pelican]

Home star to Fully Terraformed Environment

[mossy vector]

I have a question

is this a rare thing?

[hollow pelican]

Yes, it is technically a rare thing

[forest anchor]

Pretty

[mossy vector]

Technically?

[forest anchor]

It means you're dedicated in... contributing

Watching ads and/or donating

[mossy vector]

ahhh

so just pure grinding?

how mnay suppoerter unlock achievements are there?

[vital tinsel]

Three

And I believe this one is the third

[mossy vector]

ok

just sesrched it up

and currently and luckily

I have all 6 supporter Achievements

[real storm]

Guys what is this

How did yu get that

[mossy vector]

excssive ad watching or donating

[real storm]

Ad watching?

[mossy vector]

yes

[real storm]

How many

[mossy vector]

idk

[hollow pelican]

I believe you need to watch at least 1000 ads or spend $30

for the last one

afaik

[mossy vector]

1000?!

dang

[real storm]

30 dollars is for? Donation?

[forest anchor]

Yep, 1000 ads, or $39

[hollow pelican]

oh yeah

[real storm]

Welpp... i think were cooked

[forest anchor]

According to https://cell-to-singularity.fandom.com/wiki/Achievements

[mossy vector]

cooked on what exactly?

[real storm]

the ads

[mossy vector]

dw

[real storm]

1000 ads i thought it was only 100

[mossy vector]

it is easy

if you are a mobile player

[real storm]

womp womp

I dont get any ads

Oh welp i have infinity pass

[rough axle]

That’s a purchase

I think if you buy 2 or 3 that might be enough

[rapid island]

What is this

[rough axle]

Jester

[hollow pelican]

Jester logo

[buoyant moss]

Jester

[ruby fern]

Is there a way for devs to control the ads a bit? I have the latest iPhone pro but the ads still sometimes forget to add the X button or forget to load.. I get stuck staring at spinning circles or frozen ad screens.

[ruby fern]

I say knowing there’s a 99% chance it’s solely third party and nothing they can do.

[grand plinth]

You could manage your ads in your settings and block the ads you don't want

Either in safari or settings in your iPhone

I god rid of around 10-15 Ads

[buoyant moss]

[gray tapir]

Cell To Singularity is

[buoyant moss]

An educational idle clicker where you can experience over 4.5 billion years of the evolution of the planet earth, in just a few hours of playing and with just a few taps on the screen

[cunning flower]

Tje last is 1k

[buoyant moss]

https://youtu.be/rfOS798AsXI?si=Y0bmptkq1mZ9eYJN

Bro...

[strange lark]

this vid is a year old

[sweet hedge]

that episode is scrapped btw

[ember locust]

Is that the 3rd one

[dry vale]

Hello

[ember locust]

How much $ is it for the 4th one

[forest anchor]

There's no fourth one

[ember locust]

There's 6 isnt there?

What are the requirements

[forest anchor]

Oh you mean all the 6th
The last three ones are basically 'do something before Reality Reboot'

[mossy vector]

yeaa

[ember locust]

Oh okay

[mossy vector]

luckily played the game before everything was updated

[cold vigil]

only got 4

[buoyant moss]

Yeah

[mossy vector]

ahh

[rapid island]

I really hope there are other constellation missions in beyond

It's painful to get fragments by this 72h mission

[upbeat meteor]

What is that hand thing

Also Ello

[forest anchor]

Have a pre-reboot save

That's it

[upbeat meteor]

Wait I do have a save I think

Oh nevermind I'm an idiot because I never checked my own achievements

[fathom stirrup]

don't do that mission, there is a chance on fragments in Dwarf missions (Red/White)

[forest anchor]

It has been proven that gambling on dwarfs is better than the guaranteed fragment via the direct mission, but only if you're active at a certain level

[warm umbra]

https://klipy.com/gifs/jujutsu-kaisen-itadori-10

[clear zenith]

Once again, the different telescopes capture it pretty differently

[cold vigil]

i cant comprehend how telescopes are able to do this

probably because ive used ground telescope and now i associate all of them with those

[fluid delta]

Really REALLY big lenses/dishes.. that, and being outside the atmosphere.

[clear zenith]

yep, not having air to get in the way and diffuse light helps a lot with getting pictures of things really far away

[frail mason]

im new here what happened to bloodbelly comb jelly

[wraith terrace]

Those space telescope pictures do NOT show what our senses alone could perceive. They all show infrared radiation, vizualized by some artist. So, while the colourful regions of the images do indeed correspond with regions where something is (that is, something other than the odd subatomic particle per cubic metre and cosmic background), it would not like anything at all. In short- with purely optical instruments, the best space telescope would show the very same stuff a ground-based one can- bright dots on black. Only more of them.

[edgy nova]

Why does the scallop node cost 150 logits despite it only providing a .1% speed increase?

[wraith terrace]

Because it's late game and some ppl still have stashes of darwinium left

[polar viper]

Good that it has nothing to do with darwinium and a 1.3 boost like other logit 150 artifacts dont break the game too

The answer is probably: just an oversight/bug

[fallow zenith]

Logbits are harder to aquire

[edgy nova]

I don't see that node.

[amber canyon]

10% boost. Not 0.1%.

[rustic gale]

I pray every day that plants are not an exploration event

[amber canyon]

You should use https://discord.com/channels/488478892873744385/545344551095894028 for things like this.

You might want to spoiler it or delete this.

[fallow zenith]

Forgot I had move from beta chat

[fathom stirrup]

last generator in AI expoloration is nice optical illusion 🙂

[fluid delta]

yes, but... you will run out of things to buy with Logits, but Darwinium... not so much.

[ember locust]

i know i said it would take me a few days to reach beyond 25 from beyond 22 yesterday but im already at beyond 25

[surreal imp]

What's the next big update for main going to be? Is it the industrial revolution?

[true vigil]

beyond ep 30

its in beta rn

its uh something alright

[cold vigil]

aw beyond update

im still at the very first episodes

despite having almost completed the main tree

[surreal imp]

I'm not sure if beyond is worth updating the game.

I mean I'm looking forward to finishing it but it won't boost main, right?

[cold vigil]

i maybe should get to the point whrre im max beyond soon

so i can enjoy new eps

how much until beyond is finished?

[dry cairn]

No official release date yet for episode 30. I would guess this month.

[cold vigil]

ep 30 is the last ep?

im guessing they will add tech trees in main sim that require a certain beyond ep

when mars tree gets revamped eventually

updated, i guess

[ember locust]

i like all the cool sciency info

it doesnt need to boost main sim directly when im learning about space and getting to visalise the location of things in the cosmos

[cold vigil]

Yeah thats a good part

[ember locust]

thats already a thing

all the mars stuff does that

[cold vigil]

what?

mars requires beyond?

what ep

[ember locust]

all of it requires beyond

[cold vigil]

what does beyond require

[ember locust]

like beyond 19 for some stuff

[cold vigil]

i had it since release

so

ohhh???

[ember locust]

martian cities is prolly beyond 22 requirement or something

[cold vigil]

it doesnt appear that i required it for anything

what

[ember locust]

or at least it does now

[cold vigil]

as you can see im beyond lvl 7

[ember locust]

i got to beyond 10 in like a day or 2

been playing half a month and im on beyond 26

[cold vigil]

ive played since mesozoic got first released

[ember locust]

17 days in and im about to prestige mesozoic

[cold vigil]

newgens...

[keen mango]

[amber canyon]

You should use https://discord.com/channels/488478892873744385/545344551095894028 for things like this.

You might want to spoiler it or delete this.

[lofty galleon]

I am not dead

[gloomy jacinth]

Okay ... Now just a pop up when you click, until future updates 😅

[quasi ivy]

alr starting the ai event in like 3 mins

[warm umbra]

why so late

[rough axle]

easier division

[polar viper]

also if you already have lots of badge boosts you dont need long to complete the event or even the first challenge modes.
why play longer for the same reward, if you can do it in 1 day, too?

[warm umbra]

i usually start when the event is out

[quasi ivy]

u will need to try allot harder for ur top 10 rewards in that case

[warm umbra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1152642162614337546/1451740249654034524/attachment.gif

[trim eagle]

Guys

Only 20ish hours remaining

Division 55

What are my chances of staying in top 25?

[summer dove]

Hello, this has probably been asked a lot but may I have a hint for the new secret achievement ? Could be the name, or the general location, or anything you find that could guide a bit

[trim eagle]

Which one are you missing?

Share a screenshot?

[summer dove]

Latest one

The one that's not in the wiki yet

[warm umbra]

https://klipy.com/gifs/todo-aoi-todo

[summer dove]

Here if you still need it

[trim eagle]

Ah, I just checked, I am missing that ine too!

And the constellation one

[crimson summit]

how to get it?

[summer dove]

That's the question I'm asking as well

[trim eagle]

I think I figured it out from the chat history, not 100% sure, but make sure to play the game on the 14th of this month

If you got it too, don't spoil it

[summer dove]

Hm ok

[wild flame]

Will unlocking the virus, water bear, and whatever the 3ed thing is follow me through upgrades?

Or reboots whatever it's called

[vocal hinge]

Lowkey can’t wait for life after apocalypse event

It’s my favorite to be honest

[trim eagle]

Same! Out of all of the events it's the most fun by far, and interesting too!

[trim eagle]

Yes, you will just have to buy them with entropy as usual after unlocking them with either currency

[wild flame]

W thank you thank you

[quasi ivy]

if ur trying to grind for rewards on the lb try starting an event like 1 day before it ends

[quasi ivy]

i had a whole campaign to bring it back lmao

[vocal hinge]

When was the last one even

[quasi ivy]

first of december

[vocal hinge]

I heard it’s been too long

dang

[quasi ivy]

there was a big

[trim eagle]

I wanna see for how long I can keep the position, tbh I just play the events for fun atp, I'm not about the grind anymore.

[quasi ivy]

bug

[vocal hinge]

3 months without that event is crazy

[quasi ivy]

and they forgot to put it on the scedule for this month

[quasi ivy]

then id just keep grinding snd logging in every 30 mins

thats my suggestion

[trim eagle]

I hope they rework the JWT event. It was a big deal a couple of years ago, but it is slowly going obsolete

Maybe a general manking in space event?

[vocal hinge]

In your guys opinion, which event has the best ost

[quasi ivy]

|| its for pi day, u need to play on pi day to get it, which is the 14th of march||

[quasi ivy]

outbreaks

[lone bronze]

id say artificial intelligence or viruses

[quasi ivy]

its a peak event aswell

[lone bronze]

I mean outbreaks

[vocal hinge]

Interesting structure as well

[quasi ivy]

outbreaks is prob my second fav event after maths

maybe even my fav

i dont know yet

[vocal hinge]

Generators leading to the center, then trophies for a timeline on the bottom

[lone bronze]

WHAT I thought your favorite event was fungi /j

[quasi ivy]

fungi is a cool event lmao but not my fav

my top 3 is

1. maths
2. outbreaks
3. extinction

4th and 5th prob fungi and deep sea, i really love these 2

[vocal hinge]

Imagine if we got an event on the history of c2s

[trim eagle]

I don't think I ever managed to finish outbreaks in 3 days

[trim eagle]

That's meta

[quasi ivy]

just play every few hours and check every few hours and u should be fine

[lone bronze]

they should make an explore event about explore events, then they should make an event about that event, and then-

[quasi ivy]

oh god

[lone bronze]

sorry 😭

[trim eagle]

A videogame event would also go hard

[quasi ivy]

i just remembered i got so many pics of events i did cuz of my 1 hour into an event series

[lone bronze]

anyways, I got idea time amplifier today! :D

will this boost my idea boost by a lot or no

[quasi ivy]

ur getting into late game territory

[lone bronze]

yeah, fully terraformed mars, just unlocked mollusks

uraniborg as well

simulation level 66

[quasi ivy]

this starts making the 14 day strat/ empty sim strat better then rebooting

spam rebooting i mean

[lone bronze]

I used to do that before my first singularity lol

[lone bronze]

js need to get entropy amplifier

[quasi ivy]

at that point its fair

[quasi ivy]

and ur metabit and knowledge ones

[lone bronze]

yea but those are more expensive

when I get some mollusk upgrades maybe

[vocal hinge]

What do you guys think that post-mars anomaly is

[lone bronze]

interstellar travel maybe?

or venus colonization

one of those two

[vocal hinge]

Didn’t we originally have Venus

[lone bronze]

what

there was a lot of fanmade stuff yes but I don't remember it being in the actual game?

[vocal hinge]

what was that

[lone bronze]

..what was that

[trim eagle]

I'm at the exact same point! I just unlocked my first mollusk, sim level 65

[lone bronze]

yo cool!! if you get time amplifiers you'll boost your ent+idea production a lot

so u better save up for those

I got uraniborg really fast after getting the idea amplifier

aight, whats everyones progress on meso and beyond?

im getting close to prestige 1, with rank 43 in meso

and really close to finishing the beyond, e28

[trim eagle]

Finished beyond and too lazy to do the meso prestige

[lone bronze]

oh, looks like u focus more on other simulations!

[warm umbra]

meso 31 and beyond 24

[trim eagle]

Oh. Yeah, I focused on the beyond for most of the time

[lone bronze]

still really cool, you unlocked every bird in the primary sim I suppose?

[warm umbra]

ye

[lone bronze]

tbh I also love beyond, but I don't wanna spend my darwinium on boosting it lol

[warm umbra]

i sure love waiting months for a bit of currency i need to rank up something

e29 is hard after nerf

[lone bronze]

isn't nerfing the same as making something easier?

or have I been playing too much geometry dash

but still

I've heard some stuff abt thst

they made stuff a lot more expensive

[warm umbra]

i mean buff

[lone bronze]

they also made it so that generators produce less stardust, no?

[warm umbra]

made it way harder

[lone bronze]

ohhh

[warm umbra]

ye

[lone bronze]

well that's gonna be a real pain

im rly close to e29

[warm umbra]

the great attractor got 10x weaker and 50x more expensive

[lone bronze]

I only need the quasar

[lone bronze]

oof

I don't even wanna imagine how e30s gonna be..

[warm umbra]

e25 generators are good rank 1 yet

e25 generators should be good

[trim eagle]

oh boy...

don't check the beta chat. AT ALL

[lone bronze]

well thanks now I'm tempted to look at it

lol

oh god

eh well

[trim eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/war-dogs-war-dogs-movie-stressed-facepalm-gif-5727928

[lone bronze]

I'll js grind white dwarfs so I get more cards

[trim eagle]

My honest reaction when I saw it

[lone bronze]

maybe save darwin for neutrons or blackholes 👀

[lone bronze]

yea lol

so, what do you think the next primary generators gonna be

now that we have amphibians and mollusks

[trim eagle]

I hope they bring back superhumans and cyborgs

Or possibly do something the big aspect of life they are kinda missing: plants

No trees, no plants

[clear zenith]

it really depends on what's being nerfed. sometimes it is nerfing the difficulty of something, but in this case, the effectiveness of e29 generators was nerfed, therefore it's harder now

[fading drum]

You see, Semblance only cares about cataloguing Fauna
But that's a good idea

[inner maple]

I’d love to see some flora. We domesticated a fair amount of those, and they are also food for some of fauna. Trees are also responsible for keeping us alive.

[fading drum]

Hmmmmmm
There's branch points below Amphibian, below Mollusk, and that's about it, so who knows?

[inner maple]

Check #💬-beta-chat

[mossy vector]

I JUST REALIZED

IF YOU WANNA BYPASS JESTER THING, YOU HAVE TO MONEY LAUNDER

[clear zenith]

wdym by that

[slender mist]

What is this?

[fading drum]

That's what I was talkin about

[inner maple]

Ask #💬-beta-chat and you may find out…

[azure turtle]

Maybe jester update, idk

[forest anchor]

Jester expansion 😭 🙏

[warm umbra]

watch the final one be jevil from deltarune

[hollow fog]

where did my objective go yo 💔💔

[forest anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-avengers-endgame-gone-reduced-to-atoms-gif-26539274

[cursive copper]

uh...

i really don't know exactly how time chambers works

do players have to maxed out each of the boost before resetting, or how efficient to reset before maxed out?

idk how to explain 😅

[hollow fog]

iirc, it caps at 14d with all time chamber upgrades

but u can check by tapping the reboot thing in the bottom right, and then the clock to see running simulation time and the boosts it gives!

should look like this?

it reaches max effic at 14 days

[steady dune]

[hollow fog]

what does ur metabit/knowledge upgrades look like

trying to gauge how close i probably am

[steady dune]

maxed everything except idea booster 11

[hollow fog]

ahh so p close

fyre

[steady dune]

Got 184N metabits and 4.8N knowledge
-# 70N and ~20N? to get all

[amber canyon]

Oh. Oh no. Maybe it not being run for so long is my fault. I did report a bug last time it ran - https://discord.com/channels/488478892873744385/1447651016710557727 👀

[clear zenith]

how could you /j

[polar viper]

Based

[cold vigil]

wtf yall far into the game

im only lvl 73

also how tf you got 12k logits

[steady dune]

Most from events

Complete it: +50, within top 25: +25 or top 10: +50

[polar viper]

The recent livestream even showed how disconnected the devs are from the real gaming experience. One said its best to play normally and not empty sim run
Also nerfing everything, but not adressing the actual problems and throwing away all feedback that provided multiple solutions to the problem
"We need a new currency to fix the empty sim run"

That and the recent e29 overnerf.
Meanwhile reported bugs dont get fixed for half a year or even ever.

[steady dune]

-# I gave up grinding it for a half year now

[fathom stirrup]

Morning, now it is about 40h mark as I said and I am nowhere near finishing Episode 28. Last two generators requirements are very time consuming.

[cold vigil]

and you did 100 eventd back to back?

[steady dune]

Yes
Someone else should have more than me

[amber canyon]

There's been over 200 events run. A fair few players have played nearly all of them

(I have 381 badges, most of my in game friends have more)

Huh. AI event finishing earlier than normal for a Thursday event?

[polar viper]

Add me and you have one with less

[final heart]

Why don't I have the Persues constellation

[mellow carbon]

Same here. I'm at just under 20k. Top 10 gives a lot of rewards. But for everyone to know It's really impossible. Definitely don't try. Just get your three badges and stop.

[steady dune]

DST

[mellow carbon]

I'm pretty sure 842 is the current max. I'm at 839 and my count was I'd missed 3. One of the people on my friends list has 842.

[amber canyon]

Think it's 845 (if you got both 'weird' events (the recent body one and thought from a while ago). I don't know anyone that got both though.

[cold vigil]

ive like 70 badges lmao

and i played since beginning of events

[forest anchor]

"One said its best to play normally and not empty sim run..."
Yeah, not best, intended

"...nerfing everything, but not ad[d]ressing the actual problems and throwing away all feedback that provided multiple solutions to the problem..."
New currency definitely isn't necessary. Don't know about 'not addressing the problem' and 'throwing away all feedback'

"Meanwhile reported bugs dont get fixed for half a year or even ever."
This has been discussed before

[forest anchor]

...Because you haven't fully completed it?

[forest anchor]

I've heard of ads complaints for quite a while now, how does the system even work?

[mossy vector]

who here has the neutrino relic?

[forest anchor]

Me one. Probably those with the Neutrino Legacy achivement

[fallow zenith]

I do

[wicked lagoon]

I played events from 2024 movember until 2025 april/may and I missed a ton until like last week. I have 173

[strange lark]

<@&535129309648781332>

[forest anchor]

Skull

Minimal ahh scam

[hollow haven]

!ban 1481429042824740967 scam

[strange lark]

worth a shot ahh

[bright otter]

Banned lilyso_928 (Case #4385) (user notified with a direct message)

[strange lark]

thanks sirh

[primal stump]

[hollow fog]

genuinely got smited omg 😭

[forest anchor]

Thank you

[white egret]

we ofc cant know what the devs were thinking relating to the nerfs, like what if they never intended the time chambers to be powerful normally, and this instead of a nerf is a rebalance to a "correct" state.
on the addressing the problem part i can agree, this new change doesnt fix the problem and doesnt change much in the grand scheme besides the 100x in both directions.

throwing away feedback is a strong way to put it, they have some vision for the game, mostly in its simplicity, so any ideas they view as too complex wont be used (altho i find a new currency complex, so this is slightly hypocritical, except in the sense of "new" complexity i.e. we know how currencies work, but not how branching upgrade paths work, etc etc)

[white egret]

(this is more a response to this message instead of electorus but that was newer in the convo)

[edgy musk]

yo why is the upgrades expensive in automation

[forest anchor]

#💬-beta-chat, also what version are you even playing 🥀

[desert flax]

prolly didn't update

also yeah, #💬-beta-chat please

[lament temple]

What is prestige? How can I do it and what's the maximum prestige level?

• Prestige is a reset to Mesozoic Valley, you will be brought back to rank 1 and restart all over again. However you will get a 'Warm Climate' trait which boosts the production of all dinosaurs. You can prestige by clicking 'Prestige' at the top of the window when you reach rank 50. The current highest prestige level is 10.

Frequently Asked Questions • Requested by jintawolfje

[cobalt steeple]

hey folks is there a guide to how to spend darwinium

[ember radish]

Hi, I'm the new guy.

[shy grail]

It hurts that I can't get that last speed level after the nerf, even after waiting for 14 days 🥲

[ember radish]

I'll continue drawing on the 5th reaction.

[steel tinsel]

Wow

[ember radish]

Play more Mesozoic Valley Darwinium often falls out of geodes

[polar viper]

I agree.
I for example dont like the beta e30 decision progression/balancing, but if its intended this way, it is what it is. I will play it and after use it for darwinium farm like meso i guess

The throwing away all feedback part is probably a bit overly dramatically. Hope they prove me wrong with the next updates and fixing empty sim for real.

Also finally fix the bug that makes the game https://discord.com/channels/488478892873744385/1469865125770035291.

[ember radish]

By the way, what is the name of the music that plays after Riegel's rank is increased?

[forest anchor]

Not so relevant but one way to make your bug report stand out is by writing a good title

[polar viper]

Also maybe one of dozens bugs reported from poor kf

[forest anchor]

By the way FAQ bot down. Currently resolving issue

[white egret]

eh? i think interaction more than anything can get the bug seen

title also tho youre right

[polar viper]

I dont know how to make the sarcasm more obvious at the last sentence

Obviously its a minor bug that just annoys me specifically the most

[white egret]

im about to reach E28 so ill see how badly they screwed the balance lol

tho i cant speak to E30 since im not on beta

[forest anchor]

No need to wait long I'm pretty sure E29 is not good neither

[white egret]

empty sim wont be fixed for a hot minute tho

like assuming ||ind rev|| is next itll be like 2 or 3 more betas (if it even gets fixed)

yk like they still have automation

[polar viper]

I guess more mustafa earth it is
(Although i started using pangea earth now, just to make it look not that depressing)

[white egret]

im using gold earth cause its the only skin i have besides basic lol

[forest anchor]

Honestly I don't want automation to be out so long as empty sim run is still there

[white egret]

maybe automation will be the "fix" ww considering the auto buy thing it does

[forest anchor]

They might be overhyped about releasing features too quickly and forget fixing everything they have to

[white egret]

pax theory...

[real storm]

Why banned

💔 🥀

[forest anchor]

They scammed, it's written in the ban command usage

[real storm]

What scam

[forest anchor]

Just an ordinary scam, what do you want to know

[real storm]

Ahhh

[honest orbit]

My leaderboard feels lonely. Game name is the same as my discord name if anyone wants to friend me.

Litterally joined the server just to say that. 0_0

[clear zenith]

unfortunately it's not a two-way friendship by default, but I'm also my server nickname

[honest orbit]

Ah. Damn. Well, that's annoying. But thanks. Will friend.

[gray tapir]

🐸

[clear zenith]

-# to put a (potentially?) positive spin on it, this means friend requests don't have to be accepted and you can just add whoever you know the player ID/username of lol

-# I'm sure I've got more than one person watching me that I don't know about

[honest orbit]

It's the finding of the usernames that is hard. Unless everyone here has the same in game names as their discord usernames.

Doubtful tho.

[clear zenith]

imo #🏆-share-your-prestige is the best way to find screeshots of people's usernames

[honest orbit]

Thank.

[clear zenith]

people screenshot a lot of random stuff, but the screenshots that actually matter for getting roles are going to be those ones, so there's a lot of them

np!

[sacred wharf]

What's happens when I get to rank 50 on prestige 10? Did it stop resetting?

Does*

[forest anchor]

You'll maxed out the ranks and... yeah nothing happens after that

Also cool name you have there

[clear zenith]

right? so cool

[sacred wharf]

Tyty

lol

Someone once told me to "make a cool username." So I made the coolest...

[fathom stirrup]

Who? 🙂

[gray tapir]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1116391358836523220/1340162617750192199/Mars_Buildup.gif

[clear zenith]

well you see, I don't know because I don't know

but I know you're watching me 👀

[fathom stirrup]

exceuses, excuses 😛

[real storm]

What😩

[clear zenith]

hehehe

[real storm]

Am i the one whos watching

[clear zenith]

well I also know you're watching me so you don't count

[real storm]

Race

[sullen flower]

Think there was a youtube playlist/collection of songs somewhere with all of the songs

[sullen flower]

Added because mines been empty forever!

InfCookie

[clear zenith]

not to mention all the songs are in the credits

[lunar magnet]

is there a guide for this game? it is very big

[azure turtle]

Well, there are a few guides but all except meso one are kinda outdated

Best way is to just directly ask here

[clear zenith]

I'm sure there are. There's the wiki (https://cell-to-singularity.fandom.com/wiki/Cell_to_Singularity_Wiki), but I'm sure there are more straightforward guides. Just keep in mind any that came out before November 2025 are going to be outdated

[forest anchor]

-# Because Meso hasn't been updated for ages

[forest anchor]

Nope, the guide in the wiki is outdated

[clear zenith]

I didn't realize there was a specific guide in the wiki, oops! I just meant it's good for general info

[azure turtle]

-# Propaganda

[lunar magnet]

what happened in Niov 25'?

[clear zenith]

massive reworking to how the main simulation functions

[azure turtle]

Reality reboot update, which completely changed the balance in primary simulation and changed the reality engine

So all guides about primary before November are 99% wrong

[clear zenith]

a lot of things are now upgraded in different ways, have different effects, etc.

[lunar magnet]

ok so basic question, what things should i be focusing on in early (first few weeks) game? is there anything that i absolutly shouldnt do?

[azure turtle]

I believe there's not really much you can screw up early on

[forest anchor]

Personally just try and understand every feature

[azure turtle]

And even if somehow you screw up so badly, there is an option to refund purchases in reality engine

Meso, just play how you want till the first prestige (rank 50), after that look at the guide for it

When you reach rank 50 actually

Beyond, the only thing that could slow your progress down early are constellations, however for early ranks I think this below should still apply

Wait I forgot the commands for Electorus bot

Okayy, looks like the bot is down

One sec

#🏠-general message This should be good enough till around rank 17

[fathom stirrup]

I am using you as an ethalon

Just recieved 3 fragments for one White Dwarf 👀

[clear zenith]

Please explain to me what that word means I must increase my knowledge

[fathom stirrup]

used in metrology as a standard with well defined properties that are known

[fathom stirrup]

basically by following you I am someone who knows what to do in standard way 🙂

which more people here would qualify for, but they are mostly in the end game

[vagrant umbra]

Hello, I'm at the end of my most successful run, having used the "wait 21 days" technique for the first time. When should I update ? Before resetting ? After resetting ? After resetting and using my metabits ?

[fluid delta]

don’t bother with doing the update until there is content you want access to. Otherwise, just start another 21d sim run (after buying reality engine nodes etc)

[vagrant umbra]

I have reached most content. I will not do another 21d (19 actually) run

[fluid delta]

Then it’s up to you. Personally I see no reason to update since the current update is just a bit of UI stuff + a big nerf to empty sim. I have done all content + have completed all of the RE tree. so I am staying on Mollusks update until Beyond 30 update arrives.

[vagrant umbra]

Ok there is no new content ? okay

[fluid delta]

not in the current update, correct. which is unusual, but it was what it was

the new UI bit is nice, but it has zero effect on your progress.. the nerf slows it way down if you do empty sim strat though

[tawdry parrot]

this is gonna speed up the last 2 prestiges

[austere laurel]

what constellations are good for beyond 11? I have scorpio already

[tawdry parrot]

@lament temple is down

[fathom stirrup]

check this #💬-cells-chat message

[sacred wharf]

Poop Cloud

[floral ferry]

Guys am i a single celled organism

[forest anchor]

Back now

[lament temple]

What constellations are best?

• Find the constellation that boosts your most effective generators. If you can fully afford it, do so, unless you're moving on to a new objective soon (because new objectives may grant new generators that are more powerful).
• Here are common significant constellations in each phase:
• Phase 1: Scorpio, Gemini, Aquarius, Aries
• Phase 2: Eridanus, Canis Major, Perseus, Hercules, Ophiuchus
• If you have unlocked all the desired constellations, assemble Argo Navis for something special. ;)

Tips and Tricks • Requested by Pirate

[tawdry parrot]

@austere laurel

[strange lark]

I see cells chats humour is on the highest level

[forest anchor]

🙏

[lament temple]

How should I prioritize my astronomy missions?

• Phase 1: Use a few slots for Red Dwarfs (1 or 2) and research missions (1). Do Dark Matter missions only if you're short of it or have a spare slot.
• Phase 2, before completing Auriga constellation (Rank 24): Use the same strategy from Phase 1; however, you may want to do the constellation mission now (because Red Dwarf III takes a while without the effect from Auriga).
• Phase 2, after completing Auriga constellation and purchasing the 5th slot: The best strategy after this point is always 2 White Dwarfs (White Dwarf II is available after Rank 25) and 3 Red Dwarfs (unless you've got some Research Missions to do).

Tips and Tricks • Requested by Rain

[vague crane]

i have made 930000 cells per 1 cell (erm how?)

[tawdry parrot]

a prestige in 1 and a half hours 👀

[wind badger]

when is it optimal to reset the main simulation?

[inner maple]

I usually do it when it starts to become slow.

[wind badger]

[clear zenith]

I generally reset once metabit and knowledge fills slow down

[wind badger]

ok and with 18 upgrades available it’s prolly worth it ig

[wild verge]

I reset simulation when...

1. the metabit or knowledge production is too slow

2. several upgrades are available

3)when simulation is slow

4)when i don't have anything else to do

[fallen bone]

AAAA

[dry cairn]

I do like that we are now reaching 4 characters when using custom, lol.

[tawdry parrot]

just shy off an hour for the last prestige @quasi ivy

[hollow pelican]

why is cells chat are so unhinged

[tawdry parrot]

feels so nice being done with meso, now theres less stuff to worry about

[hollow pelican]

I'm worried about your mutagens

[tawdry parrot]

Too few?

[hollow pelican]

Well considering you are now in prestige 10, it is technically too few

[tawdry parrot]

too few for what? I'm done

[hollow pelican]

it's just for the cards, the rest is fine

[tawdry parrot]

the only thing left is a few upgrade achievements

[velvet sierra]

I'm getting the most entropy from my prokaryotic cells

I'm getting 23Hdc in total and I'm getting 17Hdc in my prokaryotic cells

[hollow pelican]

Just wait, progress, and see that prokaryotic cells wouldn't be the best entropy generator again

[fathom shuttle]

BBEA8A8CE5919EDE

[brisk island]

player id right here

prob

W game

[fluid delta]

looks ok to me

[brisk island]

yea only 99 days 23 hours 59 minutes and 55 seconds to wait

for it to give me some currency

first time doing this kind of exploration

[fluid delta]

Yeah, that is normal. That specific generator only becomes useful at the very end.

[strange lark]

fully intended btw