💬-cells-chat

[white egret]

what i was talking abt there was completely unrelated lol

also i never did do it cause other stuff got in the way

[desert flax]

tescoo you said "trees"

[amber canyon]

Jeez. You're almost as fast as one as our mods responding to a scam report! Almost.

[white egret]

yes, the data structure, a tree

[quasi ivy]

extinction and cats are the 2 events that you either hate or love with no inbetween for allot of people

[desert flax]

kf probably mistook it and thought of mine

[white egret]

lol, im just watching group theory vids on yt rn so im not doing much

[amber canyon]

Exactly my thought process. Such as it was.

[desert flax]

yes, more pings

[amber canyon]

Sorry.

[desert flax]

no, I'm fine with pings

[white egret]

odd to point it out then

there are some ppl who care ofc but like pings arent that annoying

[amber canyon]

Electorus has a message in their profile about not pinging. I noticed that 😁.

[forest anchor]

#💬-cells-chat message ;)

[forest anchor]

A rare person who actually reads my about me :0

[white egret]

no yh ik

he brought it up b4

[forest anchor]

They can be annoying sometimes

[white egret]

actually since you do care i can ask why

[amber canyon]

Electorus also competing with our mods for being fast!

[desert flax]

oof, added "I'm fine with pings" to my bio and I only have 4 characters to add

[forest anchor]

I'll state what I desire so long as it isn't wrong and... way to complicated

[white egret]

?

imo a reply ping doesnt matter because youre already in that conversation, and if you arent in the convo then you can be notified if a person is talking abt something related to you

last part also applies for regular @ pings

[amber canyon]

Everyone can have their own view 🙂

[white egret]

yeah, im asking to learn more

[forest anchor]

I save pings for important stuff only

If you wanna mention me just say my name

Yk, irl thingies

[amber canyon]

... And use 'Summon...' too 😁

[white egret]

idk if discord is really the platform for that but yeah

[forest anchor]

Not so necessary /j I search my own name every morning to see whether someone mentioned me anyway

[azure turtle]

"Electorus I summon thee" should work then

[forest anchor]

Anyways this is getting out of #💬-cells-chat

[white egret]

true

the nature of things ofc

[amber canyon]

It does! #💬-cells-chat message

[white egret]

has this been like a punishable thing also?

[forest anchor]

Nope, I just like to bring it up

:p

[white egret]

how it be

[amber canyon]

But now I know you search, if it comes up again, I won't do the @ thing.

[forest anchor]

It was almost for encouraging people to make #🏠-general alive

But now I just say it

[azure turtle]

Not really, just keeping chats clear of any off topic stuff

[white egret]

i understand that but it is kinda the point of conversations to wander

why only smell roses when theres so many flowers etc etc

[azure turtle]

True, that's why I don't usually say anything

[forest anchor]

Oh wow somehow I missed this

[azure turtle]

Unless people wander so far off for at least an hour

[forest anchor]

Maybe I should stop saying it also now that #🏠-general is actually decently active :p

[azure turtle]

I should also stop people from talking in English on #🌐-international

[forest anchor]

@azure turtle so... I can use #💬-cells-chat message as an answer right?

[white egret]

yeah, the majority young english speaker group dont seem to follow those kinds of rules well lol

[azure turtle]

Yeah, there are no other reasons why you could have the jester role

[forest anchor]

🙏

[amber canyon]

Not advising people to cheat? And telling them how? Just as an example...

[white egret]

oh you should also include how to get rid of it (within reason)

[white egret]

WKUK "i want to kill the president"

[forest anchor]

Pretty sure the only way to get rid of it is like... beg for mercy as of now?

-# What's WKUK

[white egret]

whitest kids u know, its a comedy sketch group

[forest anchor]

Uh huh, cool I guess lol

[white egret]

yall havent seen them? they did like "gallon of pcp" and the "are we invading iraq today?" ones

actually maybe this is too old for this server

[amber canyon]

Never heard of wkuk.

[white egret]

oh and kitty history

[forest anchor]

Yeah I have never heard of it at all

[white egret]

dang

[distant urchin]

wkuk is amazing, rip Trevor

[white egret]

real

[amber canyon]

Maybe you're in a sub-culture, and didn't realise? Or I'm just oblivious ...

[white egret]

let me do a view check

most viewed is 6m on yt

[amber canyon]

Hmm. Could be either.

Anyway, brekkie time. See y'alls in a bit

[white egret]

hm some of this humour i dont think has aged as well as i hoped

[distant urchin]

yea some of it is a bit rough

[white egret]

hold on brb

[amber canyon]

(popping in). I just got the strangest ad. Trying to sell me barley for cattle feed. 🤣

[wicked lagoon]

hi

[forest anchor]

Greetings JJC

Anyways imma make the Jester FAQ I'll be back in a moment

[sacred mountain]

e

[azure turtle]

Oh I missed this message
Not that often surprisingly

[narrow finch]

hi

[forest anchor]

@azure turtle Sorry are you still active? Pretty sure we can't react in #🏆-share-your-prestige now, right?

[ionic rock]

When are we gonna get face your fears exploration portal? :(

[real storm]

Dud

Just wait🥀

[sweet hedge]

halloween

[real storm]

how do yu know then.

[ionic rock]

will we get dodos then too? :^)

[sweet hedge]

hallowen too

[sweet hedge]

because thats how it was for like a year and a half

its a halloween-only event

and a mini event

thus only having 1 badge

[ionic rock]

started in november so just missed it and couldnt find info on 2025 so thanks!

[real storm]

Oh. Okay

Thats cool

[sweet hedge]

the event was only ran 5 times

[azure turtle]

Fairly sure Drako gives it to anyone that reacts after him as well

[forest anchor]

Oh okay

Thanks a lot

[amber canyon]

My approach: just stay away from that channel.

[polar viper]

look at this
not even the devs get the channel.
no jester btw

[primal stump]

?

he didn't do anything wrong

[polar viper]

another reaction D:

https://discordapp.com/channels/488478892873744385/496430259114082304/1480048548794859634

[primal stump]

read again the channel description

[polar viper]

u got me there

i concede

[sweet hedge]

but you cant really react in that channel tho

like the permissions of the channels disabled people reacting new reactions

[primal stump]

you can react over Lunch reaction

[sweet hedge]

yeah

[forest anchor]

So... basically you can react after a developer, but not after a moderator?

[polar viper]

the loophole

[primal stump]

i sometimes send other reactions, but it's okay, i will do something better

[forest anchor]

Just finished writing Jester FAQ duh

[lament temple]

What is 'Jester' role? Why do I have it?

• 'Jester' is a role for trolls. Mainly for game cheaters, it also includes those who ignored rules in several channel descriptions.
• You may have this role because you did at least one of the following:
• 1. Cheat in the game.
• 2. Make a suggestion in #💡-suggestions by making a thread instead of using @noble star's /suggest command.
• 3. React to entries in #🏆-share-your-prestige after a moderator already did.
• If you want the role removed from you, or you think there has been a mistake, please contact a moderator.

Frequently Asked Questions • Requested by Electorus

[forest anchor]

I'm still confused with the reaction thingy but whatever I just wrote this using #💬-cells-chat message

[polar viper]

is it possible to just disable reactions entirely for plebs there?

[white egret]

the reaction thing doesn't make sense tho, like if someone's reacted on top of a mods msg, then the decision is already made

unless a mod changes their mind ig

[forest anchor]

Yeah that's what makes me confused

Like, why is reacting after a mod not allowed?

[white egret]

drako will have to answer to that ig

[amber canyon]

From a more philosophical perspective. The channel is called 'share your prestige'. People are going to want to go 'yay, congrats' or equivalent. To be nice. Which can only be done by those limited reactions.

Imo it should be renamed 'claim discord role' or something.

It's like a deliberate trap.

I have similar feelings about the suggestion channel. It's basically a trap. 🤷.

[white egret]

to add onto the trap i see alot of msgs get deleted cause of the image needed thing, and i think allowing threads in there would add to the sharing aspect

[primal stump]

Well, before it was to prevent people from reacting to posts before the moderators, but I guess now it doesn't matter so much, it's more about making everything consistent. I suppose we can live with it, so now you can react with ❔ on the channel ||(although I'm going to remove the jester role from a lot of people)||.

[amber canyon]

I thought you were trying to get the Jester role yourself 👀

[primal stump]

it was an idea to people can react, on multiple type of reactions

[white egret]

could set up a bot to auto react?

[forest anchor]

Which means reacting to the entries after a moderator did is now allowed

Right?

[primal stump]

yes

[forest anchor]

Alright thank you

[primal stump]

Which do you prefer, being able to react with those emojis, including the , or without it?

[forest anchor]

Skull

[primal stump]

!ban 673922094584823849 scammer

[bright otter]

Banned thornbrae (Case #4375) (user notified with a direct message)

[hollow pelican]

unbelievable

[forest anchor]

Lmfao

[azure turtle]

They're getting bold

[forest anchor]

I have never react myself...

Don't really understand why would people react with anyway, unless forced to

[steady dune]

[primal stump]

because they like being like a moderator

[amber canyon]

I think the emojis are a good idea, if not too hard.

Maybe - as the tick is useful to you -if you set it up so the tick is last, people will be less likely to use that one? Idk.

[forest anchor]

I honestly agree with #claim-role more than anything else

The other solutions just sound too complicated

[forest anchor]

-# Removed the 3rd cause

[amber canyon]

Would make it clearer imo.

I don't mind people posting how they're progressing in here. If they want to have a chat about it. Seems to annoy some though.

[forest anchor]

Yeah, come to think of it, sharing the prestiges can be done in this channel (why share the 'prestiges', by the way? :)). And that channel is for claiming roles only

[spark stratus]

Why the hell do i have tje jester role then

[tough lake]

I think need codes for logit

[primal stump]

@spark stratus because you reacted in share-your-prestige

[upbeat meteor]

I thought why am I the second vote until I realised that this was sent now 😭

[static pagoda]

oh

[spark stratus]

Ohhh

My bad g

[primal stump]

ah, one more thing, the second option means revoke the jester role to most of the users

[upbeat meteor]

New role idea: Jester Council
What it does: nothing just a cool emoji in use

[spark stratus]

Yall see the 67

[mortal geode]

could i just say the thing without proof kinda because it was really long ago

[primal stump]

are you going to do it again?

[spark stratus]

No

But leave the role

[primal stump]

okay, but no game roles for you

[upbeat meteor]

@primal stump
If someone does the react thing even when they are the jester role then what happens?

[primal stump]

nothing

just remove the reaction

[upbeat meteor]

Oh

Well uh

[spark stratus]

Do game roles do anything as any benefits

[primal stump]

no, only one role gives access to an extra channel, but nothing important

[somber robin]

Geto

[spark stratus]

Ohhhh alright

[spark stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/get-bonked-geto-geto-vs-toge-jujutsu-kaisen-get-bonked-gif-26784578

[mortal geode]

how og am i to have played before mesozoic valley

[somber robin]

Heien era

[mortal geode]

what does that even mean

[somber robin]

Oh god he does not know jjk

[upbeat meteor]

Bro was born in the Roman Empire

[mortal geode]

nice

[hollow pelican]

yes UNC /j

[mortal geode]

well i guess im one of like a few hundred here

i barely remember how it was but i remember a few thing when it was being added

there was like a rock needing 1m clicks globally to unlock mesozoic valley

when was that i think about 2018 or 2019 something

[upbeat meteor]

Wait really?

[mortal geode]

thats how i remember it

i think now it needs like 1000 clicks to unlock for yourself only

[upbeat meteor]

bro i don't even remember what I ate yesterday 😭

[mortal geode]

same

i probably remember it because back then my life was at its peak

[mortal geode]

yeah

[mortal geode]

what are all those roles u have even for

[hollow pelican]

sick peak

[upbeat meteor]

One role for an extra channel.
Others for showing off

[mortal geode]

well i wish i had actual proof of playing before mesozoic valley that would be the ultimate thing to show off

[upbeat meteor]

"Older than the Universe" role would be kinda cool for that

[mortal geode]

im not even that old i just happened to find out about that game from my brother

[amber canyon]

Wasn't that Beyond?

[mortal geode]

maybe beyond had it too i got no clue im gonna go check around the internet for a bit maybe i see that rock

[lone bronze]

beyond was a nebula that required 500k clicks

or was it 500m?

[mortal geode]

i remember now

i remember the fossil it was exactly like that

[real storm]

Yup

Its so iconic than it was, right

[gloomy jacinth]

Hey, div 215, not sure if doing challenge will help to get a better rank.. it seems I'll stay top 50 or end up top 100 or more ...

[hollow pelican]

you could change the Jester role purpose to those who cheat, making a thread in #💡-suggestions , and annoying member

[sacred mountain]

i wonder why the paleontologist legend role is the highest one as if it's the hardest

horizon spotter is much harder for me

[hollow dew]

I have like a fanmade update but I dont want the bot think im spamming

[swift heron]

Wait a minute I remember seeing that too

And the same was for beyond

[swift heron]

Wasnt it 3?

[modern ruin]

Hello

Wrong server

Sorry

[real storm]

What..?

[trim fiber]

Where is the cyborg???

And ???

[white egret]

cyborg was removed, its planned to come back in a future update

[trim fiber]

thanks for the information, but there is no information why it was deleted?

[gloomy jacinth]

Remodeling ..?

Semblance final form is not ready yet.

[primal stump]

As the survey was wrong redacted, im going to remake it

#🏠-general message

[twilit sluice]

i request of spoilers

[amber canyon]

It was removed as part of the large Reality Reboot update. Not everything got explained.

[twilit sluice]

cool what research level

[white egret]

is that a cheat logo in the top left lol

[tough lake]

50-70

[white egret]

could you type the name out here? i can check its level

[tough lake]

⁵

[white egret]

||and the new alpha (cant talk abt it tho||

[white egret]

no like the text

i dont have a Cyrillic keyboard so i cant type it

[tough lake]

is solutions to problems

[gloomy jacinth]

You mean ||Jester||? 😅

[white egret]

its two (||)

on both sides

theres been too many leaks already for it

[gloomy jacinth]

Reddit was full of it

[white egret]

no like the exact name, even in cyrillic

im empty sim rn so i cant check it

[gloomy jacinth]

So you still do empty sim ok 😸 and so I guess now you have final graph and formula lol

[white egret]

final?

[amber canyon]

Problem Solving

[white egret]

thx

[gloomy jacinth]

I mean the last was there
So it is accurate?

[white egret]

oh yeah those lol

[white egret]

you need to be level 58

i hadnt updated the graphs yet cause the new equations are weirder i think? like theres more variables n stuff

ill get around to it eventually tho lol

[amber canyon]

Btw afaik, this is a mix of real things, datamined (and possibly abandoned) things, (very) future possibilities, and things people hope for.

[gloomy jacinth]

At least it seems ||automation and beyond 30|| are on the way

[white egret]

also i think calling: ||cyborg, kardashev, and mars anomaly|| different things might be a bit over zealous

in my eyes i see that as some larger update

[rugged heart]

Whats the main trophy for || Information Age 2 || ?

[tough lake]

Who knows what this?

[forest anchor]

You may have forgotten Jester update /j

[amber canyon]

Yes. Unfortunately that makes people think the rest of the list is more credible than it might be.

[white egret]

we do know ||cyborg|| is eventually on its way

what do you think are the most egregious things tho?

||reboot time update and reboot upgrade also i think were done at once (unless they plan for even more content)||

[amber canyon]

Possibly. Eventually. Unless the Devs change their minds.

[white egret]

most of this stuff is def believable tho

[amber canyon]

Believable, yes. True? Maybe not.

[white egret]

actually what is ||exploration season 3||? is that like ||more explores? that just seems like an eventuality (see event_19)||

[forest anchor]

The roadmaps are subject to change for a reason...

[forest anchor]

Yep

[white egret]

yeah true

[forest anchor]

Season 2 has double the amount of Season 1's events

[amber canyon]

If the post said 'updates I think are coming' or 'updates people have talked about' fair enough.

It says it's a 'list of upcoming updates'

Misinformation annoys me.

[white egret]

yeah true

i do see them coming in some future tho

[tough lake]

Who knows what this?

[white egret]

the most speculative one is prob ||event stuff|| tho since we have no proof of it

[amber canyon]

Whenever I've seen the Devs talk about seasons, it's more been in a 'oh, we forgot about seasons' way.

Or 'we're focussing on the main sim and Beyond at the moment'.

[white egret]

like at least the other stuff has leaks

[gloomy jacinth]

They could add a full sci fi sim, like some matrix where everything is possible, so they could try to push new updates or returning stuff inside, and don't worry if they need to change it again often, it could be part of the sim to be constantly unstable

[white egret]

if at level 100 you dont have it, then its prob not out yet

some other rev

[forest anchor]

Right, but according to a developer they thought that it's a good time to start Season 3

#💬-cells-chat message

[gloomy jacinth]

Yeah I get it, but I couldn't find another list full of spoiler, I would recommend go to read beta chat often and maybe try beta if you are interested with future updates and ok with spoilers and things that could never come live

[white egret]

i think the list should be redone instead, cause it also has updates that have come out

[gloomy jacinth]

I mean for people not already on that channel

[white egret]

like time chambers has been updated

[amber canyon]

I do go to beta chat.

It seems odd to post a speculative beta chat list that includes datamined info here.

[white egret]

ill try to write something up that notes the "reasonablity" of each update, sounds fun too

altho it is a bit late, so maybe in the morning

[forest anchor]

Interesting

Would help me a lot in updating the updates tree as well

[amber canyon]

Electorus - that's not how I read that comment of Andrew Tach's

[tough lake]

Maybe is open when I open pyrimidine of Giza

[white egret]

whats the name of the upgrade before, i can check again

[forest anchor]

Oh huh

[white egret]

ill save the current list in somewhere n work on it in the morning

[gloomy jacinth]

And I first searched for something to answer this message, 😅 I guess it was a good list
But I agree, and for me I prefer to just continue with normal game, and just wait for updates, I wouldn't like to try or to know things about the game, and never see it for real in the live update

[amber canyon]

It sounded more like a polite way of saying 'we haven't thought about it, and have no particular plans' to me.

[forest anchor]

Wait wait I found a better message

But it's in beta chat...

[hollow pelican]

Jester superhuman

[forest anchor]

#💬-beta-chat message

I have to do something rq

[amber canyon]

But that first message is a good example of people hearing the answer they want to hear ...

[forest anchor]

Brb

[amber canyon]

Second message is more reliable. Although with the emoji at the end ...

[gloomy jacinth]

Mmm I think I will do that challenge 1 ...

[forest anchor]

It's the best one I can find at the moment

[clear zenith]

call me weird or old but seems like reasonable emoji usage to me 🤷‍♂️

[amber canyon]

To me, it's sort of backing off any definite to draw from the previous sentences.

[forest anchor]

Idk but it sounds like 'oopsie sorry for that' to me

[amber canyon]

It makes it read like the sort of thing a parent would tell a child to keep them quiet. 🤷

'You'll get a treat next time we go there' ...

... if we go there 😅

Anyway. It doesn't say 'We will do more explorations' 🤷.

[dusk pilot]

what's the wr guys

[forest anchor]

I'm pretty sure they will tbh

[clear zenith]

I feel like that's just because plans aren't concrete though. I remember one of the devs asking what sorts of explorations people would be interested in seeing be added. I think more explorations are coming at some point, but not in a definitive time frame

[forest anchor]

Yeah, this sounds right

[mortal geode]

its possible u only saw the 100 or 1000 click one which was after it released

[dusk pilot]

guys what's the wr for fastest time to singularity

[mortal geode]

yeah there were thousands that were clicking it at once but its still not that many

[dusk pilot]

wth 😭

[clear zenith]

why is it so big lol

[dusk pilot]

no idea

better to reset my game

[forest anchor]

21 seconds TAS, 28 seconds AC, according to a message I found by searching 'wr'
So... don't ask me what is TAS and AC :p

[heavy scarab]

is the link to discord option available on pc?

[forest anchor]

No

[dusk pilot]

wr is world record

you might know that

[forest anchor]

I know that

[heavy scarab]

well that's unfortunate

[dusk pilot]

so wr is 21s?

[clear zenith]

if you mean for #🏆-share-your-prestige, that's just not a thing anymore. I'm not sure why it's still pinned

[amber canyon]

Sure. It's probably likely. But that's not what the list says.

[dusk pilot]

impressive

[forest anchor]

Then the issue's on the list

Basically

[heavy scarab]

well that would explain it.

[lone bronze]

I think like 48 seconds or smth

it was in the old simulation tho, before rr

[amber canyon]

This is the last I heard about it from the Devs - #💬-cells-chat message

[clear zenith]

fastest time on speedrun.com is 1m8s, but I'm certain there's faster

[dusk pilot]

ac is auto clicker then what's tas?

[amber canyon]

Tool assisted speed-run

Programming a device to do it.

[forest anchor]

Then I see why 21 seconds was achievable

[dusk pilot]

i got 58s with ac

kinda slow tbh

[mortal geode]

thats a lot of star dust or whatever it was called

[dusk pilot]

im playing on beta

[mortal geode]

im playing on my phone🥶🥶

[amber canyon]

Fastest I recall seeing claimed since the reboot is 41s - #💬-cells-chat message

[dusk pilot]

i missed like 17s

[amber canyon]

That's a doing-it-legit claim btw. There is a bug that sometimes freezes people's time on 5s or 15s or something like that.

Actually, make that 40 seconds claimed (no auto clicker, on mobile) - #💬-cells-chat message

[lone bronze]

#💬-beta-chat ?

also don't mind this pfp

im the fandhul guy

[dusk pilot]

so you mean i cant chat here? 😭

[lone bronze]

uh you mentioned beta so I just assumed?

oh well

[rugged heart]

How is the observable universe here

[lone bronze]

Idk man

[pure pier]

I got 12

Bug

[forest anchor]

Skull

[magic lichen]

im finally finished with episode 27

[gray tapir]

W

[magic lichen]

well I though I finished but there is still some ones I need to max

[gray tapir]

ok

[swift heron]

Good luck with episode 28

It took me 23 days with 4x overdrive

[magic lichen]

what lvl were youre cards

[outer hull]

I'm rank 73, how long will it take me to get to rank 76 for instance? surely years with how slow progress has become

[fathom stirrup]

That's a nice challenge 🙂

[amber canyon]

Fwiw, I believe that alicendrome was telling the truth. While they aren't around much atm, they came across as the sort of person who wouldn't make it up (and also would've willing to put a lot of effort into getting their time down).

[swift heron]

I got every single dwarf star that I could get

Including the ones by watching ads

[amber canyon]

How they did it that fast though 🤷.

[swift heron]

I'm ngl episode 29 might actually be faster than 28 cause so far I only have 4 missions left

[hollow pelican]

You can get singularity in seconds?

[fathom stirrup]

speedtapping is a good sport 🙂 fastest time to singularity seems like a challenge to learn optimal pattern and get well eye to finger coordination

[swift heron]

Yea

[hollow pelican]

but how

[swift heron]

Nanobots or using an autoclicker to buy upgrades

[amber canyon]

Have fun 😁

[fathom stirrup]

nanobots can help you in reaching fast Singularity time?

[swift heron]

Yes

Use the shop mode for them

[hollow pelican]

nah they should add another achievement by reaching singularity under 1 min

[swift heron]

It's a little hardware limited as youd need a fast device to be able to purchase the upgrades at a quick enough rate

[hollow pelican]

well... ok jesterians

[swift heron]

What

[fathom stirrup]

hmm ok... Since I have purchased them I was not really fan of this feature... but if that could help in reaching fast singularity... I will try them 🙂

[hollow pelican]

the Jester update

[swift heron]

What jester update

[fathom stirrup]

¨latest version of game

[amber canyon]

I did make a list of the order after the reboot. Might need updating - https://www.reddit.com/r/CellToSingularity/comments/1p1o8f3/updated_minimum_tech_tree_purchases_to_get_to/

[swift heron]

Why is it called the jester update

[hollow pelican]

revamped Cheat Detection System

[swift heron]

Wasnt the latest one the time chamber tho?

[hollow pelican]

It is not in live version yet

sorry autocorrect

[fathom stirrup]

looks cool but kinda ruin the fun of learning the process by my own 😛

[amber canyon]

Think so?

[swift heron]

Speaking of beyond, my progress was actually COMPLETELY halted after a certain point because my strongest generator still couldnt scratch the upgrade cost for the other generators
It was only when I got enough cards from a very lucky dwarf star that I was able to upgrade the card that increased ||local void|| production 3 times that my progression suddenly became very fast
That single dwarf star boosted my progression OVER 10×!

How much boost did my generator get from upgrading that card 3 times?

Would that be 2 cubed or just 3x2

[swift heron]

I'm pretty sure if I hadn't gotten that lucky then I wouldn't have been able to beat episode 29 in less than 2 months, considering just ranking up ||local void|| once wouldve taken me 2 weeks by itself

[gloomy jacinth]

Yeah beyond 29 is taking time after ||superstructure|| .. not like the previous

[kindred meadow]

When should you do the "refund reality engine"?

[rough axle]

never, as all it does is deletes your whole reality engine and gives you back everything you spent

[kindred meadow]

So why would they give you this option?

[rough axle]

in case you want to invest in different areas

[gloomy jacinth]

And I bought the constellation to boost it right after unlocking ||laniakea|| but it's taking ages to get one rank..

[gloomy jacinth]

I think you could do it when a new update drops to try out new things, and also to boost more entropy over idea, and/or metabits over entropy or idea knowledge

It also depends if you level is low or high and if rebooting your sim often is better than waiting for time boost fills

[kindred meadow]

I hope I am not asking dumb questions

[gloomy jacinth]

Maybe you recently unlocked mezo prestige and beyond level and you now need the boost related .. I don't know there could be many possibilities

But after some progression and reaching high research level, and having less things to unlock in RE you will end up having the same tree I guess

[amber canyon]

I think the theory was to:
A) reallocate your metabits and knowledge
B) reallocate your research chips

However regarding a), because of the cost growth of nodes etc- there's not much different to do imo. Regarding b) being non-balanced penalises the low side, while not substantially improving the high side.

And there is a bug that (can) cause you to lose lots of metabits and knowledge when you use it.

(I assume it's a bug, not an undeclared cost of using it)

[ember locust]

Autobuyers kind of suck

[rough axle]

nanobots?

[ember locust]

Yes

Its faster to just open the menu, sort and buy

They buy slowly and they only buy what's on screen generally

[fathom stirrup]

kinda my feeling how would they work thus not being a good asset in low singularity time hunt

but they give a nice boost of currency

[ember locust]

yeah the autoclicker nanobots work decently, the autobuyer ones honestly make your gameplay worse

[swift heron]

||laniakea|| is possibly the worst generator that I have ever seen
Your best hope is getting dwarf stars and hoping you get a trait upgrade to ||local void||

[swift heron]

You would activate them and move the screen up in the tree
They're good because they can buy multiple upgrades instead of 1 at a time

[fathom stirrup]

that looks like something easy to try, cannot wait to check it out tommorrow 😉

[ember locust]

my fingers can also buy multiple upgrades way faster

also they can only buy 1 generator at a time

[swift heron]

No

They're multiple nanobits scattered that buy multiple upgrades

[ember locust]

and half the time instead of buying a research upgrade they get stuck on a generator and buy like 1 or 2

i just reset and started the nanobots on autobuy mode and scrolled up with them

they barely got to fish and they skipped half of the research upgrades

after a minute

[swift heron]

I haven't used them in years as I'm not trying to get a new record for singularity time but back then this was the best optimal strat to getting fast singularity times

[swift heron]

Yes that's the point
If you use the menu you'll have to get every upgrade before reaching singularity but these ones will only get the essential ones

[ember locust]

i can get a singularity time of like 30 seconds using the menu

[gloomy jacinth]

I used autobuyer to help unlock some node far away on the screen, when you have to buy many nodes before one certain ideas generator

But I was doing it on the tree, now I just do it on the menu, but could be something to try when you want to improve singularity time

[steady canyon]

how should i progress with my logit purchases

what is the priority

[ember locust]

idk i focused my logits on beyond

[swift heron]

What

[ember locust]

what, its very easy

absurdly easy even

[fathom stirrup]

there is fastest time with no autoclicker of 40s documented - share your ss

[swift heron]

What RL are you cause 30 seconds isnt possible at high RL

[ember locust]

okay maybe not 30 seconds but it was definitly under 1 minute easily

[fathom stirrup]

just check your Statistics and tell us/show us what is your personal best 🙂

[ember locust]

wheres the stats at

[swift heron]

Open the reality engine menu and it should be the option on the farthest right on the menu

[fathom stirrup]

time metrics - see my ss on the bottom ... https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/496430259114082304/1479033934091128943/image.png?ex=69ae85b1&is=69ad3431&hm=ce2c704529223052a06775c18db91bdde04f0935db20abf0d672999d99cfd108

BTW what was said in AMA stream from one of those 2 devs about their intensions of using Time chambers. I don't think they were right that by "At this moment by playing actively you should be able to get more progress than waiting for time chambers to charge and then play". For last week I was doing +/- one day simulations, Fri-Sat I waited for the first time for Chambers to fill before any ingame purchase. In few hours I was able to get much better progression (Metabits wise) than in previous days and I have not purchased any game changing purchases in RE.
So I have this feeleing even for lower levels like me this empty sim strat is better than active play.

[fathom stirrup]

nice time, but definetely not 30s or "definitly under 1 minute easily" 🙂

[ember locust]

Honestly

All the newer stuff kept getting in the way

[fathom stirrup]

yeah 🙂 we know

[ember locust]

Having to scroll down to find apes and humans with all the extra reptiles and mammals and birds js a huge pain

😭

But it was not hard at all to get 1 minute

I can prolly do sub 1 minute

[fathom stirrup]

I am spamming top choice in research until I see a change in possible generators until I unlock humans, than do the same for ideas... I have to optimise it a bit 🙂

[amber canyon]

'playing actively' for the min-maxers is resetting every 10-15 mins. You get a large % of your metabits/knowledge very quickly, and it starts to plateau.

Whether this is what the Devs meant, or if they got their maths weird 🤷. They sometimes don't know the game or how it can be played.

[upbeat meteor]

Ello

[amber canyon]

Hmm. Am currently sat at the end of an empty sim run. Will take ~25 years to get from RL78.5 to 79. Tempted to just let it do it's thing ...

Resetting and doing another full pre-nerf empty sim run will only let me buy ~4 more of the last orange X/100 node.

[fathom stirrup]

If this is what 'Playing actively' means, I didn't get it 😄

BUt I can say I see a significant increase in Metabits/knowledge by doing a very light version of empty sim.

[amber canyon]

It'd be an unusual use of 'playing actively' ... For an idle game.

... Except it is a valid meta in this game 🤷

[tacit widget]

is this a trap or a troll?

[brisk island]

both

[tacit widget]

the trap is only the cost right? it doesn't otherwise hinder the sim?

i meam, you have to get it eventually to finish the event

[fathom stirrup]

I am not there yet, but I believe|| it can be skipped to be able to finish the event|| based on this comment #💬-cells-chat message

[fluid delta]

no you don't, you can totally ignore it, and go onto the next challenge level

[fluid delta]

Empty sim strat is always better than active play, except perhaps for very short amounts of time, even with this latest update/nerf. If they said it, they are wrong. That's kinda concerning, that they don't/can't do the basic maths or testing to figure this out. I mean, I can do it, and I'm fairly bad at math. They don't really have a good excuse

[tough lake]

Who waiting planet colonization 2?

[sweet hedge]

wha?

[rough axle]

maybe we should get planet colonization 1 first...

[sweet hedge]

logo_colonization

[amber canyon]

As you're running some sort of modded / hacked version ( #💬-cells-chat message ), you might want to ask outside the official discord.

[lone bronze]

I think they meant martian garden?

[sweet hedge]

yo whats the big CMB doing here

[lone bronze]

idk man

im actually not the observable universe im just a temperature map of it

[fathom stirrup]

Is there a recording of friday's AMA? What I recall they talked in 2nd half a bit about history of time chambers and why they implement them - their aim was to lower the former meta strategy of quick simulations yielding big amount of currency (metabits and knowledge). Unfortunately they created the very opposite effect which they are aware of and they are now trying to nerf (e.g. nerfing of empty sim strat by 100× in latest Reboot). In all of this they mentioned they believe active play, instead of waiting for time chambers to charge, should give the player more progress overall.
They also mention that dealing with empty sim strat seems impossible right know unless they introduce another type of currency.

Please someone correct me if I misunderstood something.

[fluid delta]

Yes, they streamed it on YT, you can find that here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FYyQM9mCwk&t=2258s

[fluid delta]

They also mention that dealing with empty sim strat seems impossible right know unless they introduce another type of currency.
It's not, though. As a temporary fix, they could remove all the time nodes (refunding the metabits + knowledge). Not ideal, but it would be a solution until they came up with something better, and it would be easy for them to do. Until then, empty sim strat is still overwhelmingly the best option, except for very short amounts of time.

[amber canyon]

If they remove the time nodes, then Spam-Rebooting becomes the meta.

[fluid delta]

Yep. But one or the other will always be the meta, unless things are balanced to be even.

[amber canyon]

I assume they're aiming at balance. And don't think dealing with empty sim includes making Spam-Rebooting the answer. 😬

[fluid delta]

Sure, but if they are aiming at balance, they are doing a terrible job at it. Even nerfed, empty sim strat is still like 100 000x better than a quick reboot. That's ridiculous, if their aim is to balance it.

And they really should have known before releasing this recent update.

[fathom stirrup]

around 33minute mark

[amber canyon]

They might be assuming that the majority of their players haven't found out about empty sim. 🤷

Not sure that is a sensible argument I'm making here ... Tired ...

[hollow dew]

I don't even know this game had meta bruh, I literally just play it because addiction + learning

[fluid delta]

My point is, they could trivially test it locally, set the time to 14d for the nodes, do a quick empty sim run (that they could also easily automate when testing), and seen the results. But.. they did not do so, by all appearances.

[amber canyon]

They probably prefer players who don't break their game 😁

[amber canyon]

I agree.with this!

[hollow dew]

Once I try to cheat using the clock app method and im traumatized I thought my account is going to be erased

[lofty galleon]

I am not dead

[fluid delta]

Then again, I can't really complain too much that they are weak at testing. I wouldn't have been able to use the exploit I did in the last couple months, if they were good at testing. Heh.

[fathom stirrup]

but isn't this also being tested in Beta?

[amber canyon]

It's an obvious thing to think of. Best not to do it though 🙂.

[fathom stirrup]

this is the moment in AMA where they talked about empty sim strategy > https://www.youtube.com/live/2FYyQM9mCwk?si=uK1iaQE8sddQlKcM&t=2779

at 46:18

[amber canyon]

From.what I can see it's focussed on new content, rather than bug fixing.

[fluid delta]

Beta is more "it works for us, but lets have people play and see if there's things they can trigger that we haven't noticed" or "we think this is good but maybe players won't like the changes, so let's see if they do". The kind of testing I'm talking about is part of the internal dev cycle.. like, setting the time to 14d for the nodes is just changing a date value in the code.. something they can ofc do. Likewise, automating a run they could super-easily do since they wouldn't need to interact with the UI code.

[fathom stirrup]

ok, so around after 48min mark they talk about how it does make more sense in progression normally is better than 14d empty sim. I mean hearing it for 2nd time it makes a bit of sense. As a player who is not in late game where you grind hard to get even small portion of progress, I don't want to wait 14days for metabit time chambers fully charge in order to gain huge progress. But still waiting a bit, a few days boosts significantly than "playing actively". I have not tried the old meta yet 🙂

[fluid delta]

Sure, there's times that doing reboots makes the most sense. I think though that they are missing the point.. or perhaps it's just not something they are prepared to address at the current time, maybe figuring that "endgame players have finished the game for now" and so it isn't much of a concern.

[polar viper]

Strange, empty sim is still better and by miles. The Jimmy guy even acknowledged it in betachat, that the current stuff is just a bandaid and the empty sim itself is not changed. Even discussed real potential fixes.

[tall mirage]

so basically if u haven't bought the 10x multi that boosts metabit chambers from 100x to 10000x and have a lot of other RE nodes left to buy, then it's possible that waiting 14d might not be the ideal strat

That's technically the only "fix"

[swift heron]

Why do they sound so robotic

[polar viper]

Yeah before the upgrades, its not even worth looking at the chambers. Just spam reboot.

[tall mirage]

ye, well a lot of us at end game alr
So only thing we can wait for is new updates

[fluid delta]

and in the meantime, ignore them until they make an update worth using 🙂

is still on Mollusks version

[polar viper]

14.3 ^^

U either upgrade or have to wait a year for pi day again

[tall mirage]

I updated, would atleast make buying new RE nodes harder

[fluid delta]

Idc about Pi day. I’d rather have 100x better empty sim runs 🙂

[polar viper]

Yeah its just the one secret achievement

But all the gains now even with the 21d empty sim run are peanuts with next update. So in the end. Does it even matter?

[swift heron]

I probably wont be updating till something like beyond episode 30

[fluid delta]

actually, that’s not necessarily true. With a 100x difference, it might be less of an improvement than you think

[fluid delta]

same

[swift heron]

The thing is their excuse is "we want it to feel rewarding for players who use longer runs"
But time crystals only boost the amount of metabit and knowledge gained AFTER being converted
If someone starts a long run by the time the crystals become worth it, the next knowledge and metabit fill would be impossible or take days if not weeks

[polar viper]

Industrial revolution probably will dwarf the knowledge side. I would be surprised if its only a 100x improvement.
The mollusks side will hold longer, but that one is easy to finish anyways atm.

[swift heron]

There is no industrial revolution stuff in the beta tho
The only thing being worked on so far is beyond episode 30

[fluid delta]

We will have to wait and see. In the meantime, I’ll have accumulated metabits + knowledge that will hopefully mean I will save time from having to spam reboot to get the “easy” new nodes, upon release

[polar viper]

That for sure. U could probably buy the entire tree before even rebooting

[swift heron]

One thing I've questioned is like, are there ALOT of finished but not polished/shelved stuff?
Cause I've seen screenshots of insects, post Mars content, and plants and I'm pretty sure much more
Even beyond episode 30 was shelved for over a year or 2 when it was already done if I can recall correctly

[amber canyon]

We all do like shooting ourselves in the foot, don't we 🤣

[fluid delta]

Maybe! I already have the existing tree done, what’s a few more nodes… right? 🙂

[swift heron]

Was the insects and plants area finished at some point in beta then it got shelved?

[polar viper]

We over-min-max for months now, so we can instantly complete the next update, so we can instantly prepare for the next update after again.

[hollow pelican]

-# Believe me the jester update is coming

[red mirage]

Is beyond episode 30 coming

[twilit sluice]

beyond e30 might come but will never release after jester update

[gray yew]

What is the jester update, anyway?

[timid pine]

I have 2 questions. Firstly, does the gsme require more and more meta bits each time you reset the simulation?

If it does, thats annoying if you reset often..

[fluid delta]

No, it doesn't. What's your 2nd question?

[timid pine]

No i could have sworn it increased, also should i (or need i) be doing the dinosaur area to progresss in the makn simulation? Havent looked at events yet.

[gray yew]

I think so. To unlock birds and reptiles and things like that.

[timid pine]

Does that go for event areas too?

[gray yew]

No. Events can be completed with or without Meso progress.

Meso doesn’t affect events at all. They are two separate things.

Assuming by “events” you mean the bi-weekly exploration thingies.

[vocal hinge]

guys is the sonic speedster 2 minutes or 3 minutes

here it says 2 minutes but ingame it’s 3

[gray yew]

I think it’s 3.

[gray yew]

They changed that. I think.

[timid pine]

I have played for like 4 hours over 3 days so i have no idea. But do i need to do events to progress in the main world

[gray yew]

No.

It might help, something something reality engine, but the primary sim and the events are separate things.

Also, welcome to the game and the server.

[timid pine]

I think you are mistaken..

It used to require 6 fills. Now its 12.

[timid pine]

Thank you. So no events is ok if i only care about main sim

[glossy willow]

How to trigger golden asteroids please?

[gray yew]

Yeah, the events and main sim are separate, and the former are optional.

[gray yew]

Click/Tap on them. And occasionally pay a small Darwinium fee.

[tall mirage]

No.of fills req = no.of simulations + 1
Idk why

[glossy willow]

Ah .. ty

[timid pine]

So theres a penalty rushing sims..

[fluid delta]

That's not needing metabits, that's wanting fills. Two different things. As to why, no idea. For me, it remains at 3. Idk what is actually correct, tbh.

[tall mirage]

Seems to only be on phone and not on steam from what I heard

[chrome coral]

Guys is there some bug known where U can't watch the ad for X2 of ?

It just doesn't load

I click it, wait seconds, nothing

[fluid delta]

It does that if you lose the internet connection or otherwise have the ad blocked. The option is greyed out.

[chrome coral]

No downloads or anything active either

[chrome coral]

Never had that before

[modest trout]

Any tips for beginner about strategy for cat event and next one ?

[fluid delta]

Ok, that is new. Idk. It's not acting that way for me.. but I'm also not on the most current update either. maybe someone else has more info

[chrome coral]

Kk

I can't even use it on another phone cuz I can't log in to that ACC on it :') could be cuz it's too old now, the phone the is installed on

[chrome coral]

Just watch ads for boost, go online every few hours or so

Idk if there's a lot to do in cts haha

[timid pine]

Why did i suddenly get 3 metabits per full fill instead of one..

[modest trout]

Ye im mostly active that's why asking how Play IT . Just offline few hours and back or ?

[chrome coral]

That's how I play it xD

Idk if there's some other way

[gray yew]

This goes for all events since they have a similar-ish structure, but here’s some advice:

• If you have enough badges, Darwinium, time on your hands, etc, join late. You’ll be competing for rankings against stragglers, which means a lot less competition for those top spots.
• If you don’t have enough of that stuff, then attend the event often to stop the lower offline rate. Try taking the game out of fullscreen mode so you don’t have to leave it.
• Darwinium. Not necessary, but it helps!
• Playing on mobile means watching more ads and spending less Darwinium for boosts. I hear it helps!

[chrome coral]

U could just constantly spam the screen for more points but idk lol

[modest trout]

Understand thank you

[gray yew]

Well yes, but only up to a certain point early on. Then the prices get too high and the production times also too high for tapping to be viable. Most times, anyway.

[chrome coral]

Ads are such a huge thing in cts ngl

[modest trout]

I have the pass for adds etc and Play really activ anyway cant get top 10 probably doing sonething wrong

[gray yew]

On mobile at least. Still, less pricey than paying 2 Darwinium per boost.

[gray yew]

If you have enough stuff, activity, etc, then join late. You’ll have much less competition.

[chrome coral]

That's why they're so huge(good)

[gray yew]

Like when the rock event first happened: I joined 2 days late, boosted the hell out of everything, and finished at #17.

And I wasn’t even expecting to be able to boost!

[modest trout]

You mean join after few days or hours ?

[gray yew]

Days.

[chrome coral]

U would probably be in a circle of paying 2 per boost and collecting from the calendar reward there

[modest trout]

Oww nice to know thank you will try that next event

[gray yew]

Some players here can (and often do) complete the event in less than a day, on the last day of the event.

I can’t speak from experience tho.

[gray yew]

Yw

[magic lichen]

is 20 the max?

[gray yew]

I guess so. I’m more impressed that you could afford it.

[magic lichen]

thats if I go to the next one but it costs e134 to buy 1 right now

[gray yew]

I wouldn’t bother at that stage.

[glacial pasture]

you can still buy after rank 20

it loops back to a series of buying 50, then 100 and so on i think

but you won't get any more stars from theù

[magic lichen]

im waiting to go to episode 29 to go for max rank

[swift heron]

No I'm pretty sure it just continues buying them in rounds of 200

[modest trout]

How often should enter events for offline rewards? And the badges Can get 3 on event ? Im played just 1 event yet

worth buy those 2 red boosts?

[gray yew]

1: The offline rate is a bit slower, I think. Take the game out of fullscreen mode, then you won’t have to quit the game every time you do something else. (That’s on you’re playing on PC version. On mobile…no clue.)
2: Yes, it is very much possible to get 3 badges in an event.
3: Cool.
4: I dunno, haven’t bought them myself, but probably.

[modest trout]

Thank you

[gray yew]

Yw.

[white egret]

when youve completed more than 150 reboots, it just wants 3, but before then the number increases

[clear zenith]

at least on my phone, it is possible to do split screen for certain apps, but CtS is not one of them

[fluid delta]

Really? That is strange. Why would they do that?

[white egret]

🤷‍♀️

[fluid delta]

Probably it's a bug, but whatever.

[white egret]

the formula is simple too, so idk why they stop at 150, maybe to stop you from being unable to reboot?

[amber canyon]

Hey Sepheria, have you done a live side by side comparison of mollusc update Vs time update?

I just noseyed at something and noticed that in the RE in the time update that even though the red number is x100 lower, the blue number is going up visibly faster.

[fluid delta]

Side by side, no, not as such, but my experimentation at update launch was that we have the nerf ofc, but that entropy, idea, xp was 100x better, even as the rest was worse (with the new nodes factored in). So, this doesn't surprise me

[amber canyon]

But this is knowledge being better, isn't it? My file in time update will get the next fill before the mollusc file ...

... Based on blue number

[fluid delta]

No, I think it's ideas being better. Even if I misinterpreted at the time, the end result though (which is what I focused on) was how empty sim runs compared before and after.

[glacial pasture]

quick question
trying to make a tree myself
to ask about what i couldve missed on a section, can i post it here, somewhere else or must it be on #🎨-cells-art

[fluid delta]

If by "making a tree" you mean not actually playing the game (or a question related to that), but your own creation, then, yeah, #🎨-cells-art or #🏠-general

[amber canyon]

Ah, okay. I can see my ideas, entropy and XP are better. I can see my knowledge and Metabits are x100 worse. I wasn't expecting to see the fills filling faster. (this is 22.5 days in).

I will mull it over 😁.

[glacial pasture]

ok thx

[fluid delta]

This is with the new update? My current 21d empty sim run caps out in about 18h real, so I'll finally know what a run with a completed RE tree is like (with the old update) 🙂

[amber canyon]

Yes, new update. I just ported my mollusc file over to check something and saw this.

[fluid delta]

gotcha

You still have some RE tree unbought, yeah?

[polar viper]

entropy and idea chambers got buffed, so it filling faster seems like expected, or?

[fluid delta]

shouldn't be? idk, I didn't pay attention to how fast the fills were going, only what it gave once the run was done + 10 minutes or whatever it was.

[amber canyon]

Just 82+ of ||IB XI|| left to get (but can cash in for an extra 6 nodes).

[amber canyon]

Why expected? Am I missing something?

[polar viper]

i mean more production equals more fills in the same time

[fluid delta]

except it was 100x less compared to before the update, so...

[amber canyon]

Yeah, the red number is x100 LESS with the same file in time update compared to in mollusc update.

[white egret]

i think theyre talking about how entropy and idea production was buffed

but since bit production was nerfed so much it doesnt matter

[amber canyon]

But BLUE number is going up faster. So ... Time update file will get the next fill quicker.

[white egret]

yeah because idea production was buffed

like in sephs report

[polar viper]

yeah you get a few more fills but in the grand scheme its whatever

[white egret]

wait time/sec ?

[amber canyon]

I thought the point if the time update was to nerf knowledge/Metabit production ... To me it looks like I'll earn more ...

[fluid delta]

look at what used to be the time crystals. That's where the "magic" happens. That and TC 6

[fluid delta]

oops. That should be ideas/sec. I'll fix. Thanks for catching that

[amber canyon]

I can see that they are lower. Everything looks like it should. Except blue going up faster.

[white egret]

yeah that makes sense because idea prod was boosted

how much time has passed in your sim?

[amber canyon]

22.5 days

[polar viper]

but blue just means more fills, every fill is still worth 100x times less than before. and you wont get 100x more fills in the same time since the fill requirements scale exponentially(? i guess)

[white egret]

yeah this is true

[amber canyon]

Ah. So it is that the fill is worth less? That's what I was missing.

[white egret]

yep

bc the time crystals boost your efficiency which is just how much you get in each fill

[amber canyon]

My brain glazes over with fill maths ...

[white egret]

oh also kf while youre here, we had a convo last night abt the "future updates" list thingy, and i wanted your opinion on this formatting/style

(its just beyond and ind rev rn)

[amber canyon]

Never understood it. Neither before nor after the RR.

[white egret]

prob why they want to change how those systems work lol

[lament temple]

What constellations are best?

• Find the constellation that boosts your most effective generators. If you can fully afford it, do so, unless you're moving on to a new objective soon (because new objectives may grant new generators that are more powerful).
• Here are common significant constellations in each phase:
• Phase 1: Scorpio, Gemini, Aquarius, Aries
• Phase 2: Eridanus, Canis Major, Perseus, Hercules, Ophiuchus
• If you have unlocked all the desired constellations, assemble Argo Navis for something special. ;)

Tips and Tricks • Requested by Pirate

[amber canyon]

The opposite I thought? The Devs have said hey want to keep the fill thing.

[white egret]

oh did they?

maybe just chambers were on their mind

(to change)

[amber canyon]

Seems fine? Most people won't read it all ofc ...

[white egret]

true, but itd be more useful for the less known/accepted updates

i also plan a different list without the text and just the chance & name

[amber canyon]

A while ago now. But they talked as if they felt the fill system was the 'heart' of cells / it's USP and something they definitely wanted to keep.

[polar viper]

jester update 1. april

[tawdry parrot]

reality reboot was really necessary, cant imagine going through an empty tree for the whole game like I am going through right now

[white egret]

oh also is there any actual info on the ages stuff? like ||atomic and information etc||

i feel like i havent seen much on them besides the leaks

which is tantamount to "it might happen" and means nothing

[polar viper]

since all the node connections are already there its more a question of when i guess

[white egret]

whats the cmd for the roadmap?

all of these seem out of date

[amber canyon]

Maybe in announcements?

[amber canyon]

I haven't seen a roadmap from the Devs for a while now. Just the ones that Electorus does.

[white egret]

seems the pre E29 pre mollusc one is the most updated

but I don't see any info on the ages

so I'm just assuming it's in flux or something

[tawdry parrot]

IR2 when

[white egret]

idk I'm guess this or next month, depends on E30

[amber canyon]

This says monthly updates - #📢-announcements message

Oh. This. #📢-announcements message

Forgot that.

[white egret]

the "few more chapters" kinda tips me off

||prestige could be closer?||

we do know theyve started work on it

but its nowhere near like ||arthopods or the ages||

[fading drum]

It's called the Beyond until we can no longer go Beyond

[amber canyon]

One guy working on it I heard? Who might now be working on a new currency, lol.

[white egret]

lol

[amber canyon]

Anyway ... 💤

[white egret]

ah have a gn

[cyan jungle]

How to get new achievment

[white egret]

its locked behind a specific day, you have to ||play on pi day, march 14th||

[fading drum]

yum

[warm umbra]

are these good constellations

im going for the one which buffs "diffuse" speed now

[fluid delta]

No idea offhand, but look to the tooltips on the constellations themselves, to see what they give. The one that increases the Research bonus by 1 is especially nice, though. There's another that sets Red Dwarf missions times to 6h each, that's good too

[warm umbra]

i would list all of the constellationbs i did but i would probably get an aneurism doing so

my mind is already cooked from doing all of ch3 and ch4 of deltarune in 1 day

[fluid delta]

Don't worry about it. Buy them if and when you really need them (except for the 2 I just mentioned), otherwise save up the fragments. Almost all of them I ended up getting way after I finished Beyond (at the time) bc the rest were honestly kinda unnecessary

(and you will eventually get to a point when you run out of things to get)

[white egret]

whats the faq cmd

but imo i just get the most recently unlocked one, since that normally upgrades the best stuff

[lament temple]

What should I do when I start a new objective?

• Get to your newest generators as fast as possible. You can always ignore the ones before the last 2-3. Upgrade them as much as possible, at least until you reach the level required for the according mission in the objective tab.

Tips and Tricks • Requested by The Roaring Knight (wabuchy)

[warm umbra]

is this worth it

[fluid delta]

Usually you buy enough of the furthest thing (in a reasonable time), in order to either be able to buy the thing that's even further, or sometimes you have to buy more to achieve a mission.

[white egret]

youll have to compare it yourself as we cant know what the rest of your generators look like

[warm umbra]

now that its automated i should be able to get it to rank 2 by tomorrow

[steady dune]

Ended my empty run earlier

And this

[steady dune]

[desert flax]

huh

what does that translate to

[steady dune]

Still no time measure
-# here it's 9m2s

分and秒，then 小时, 日, 月
-# good job

[untold spade]

hi, what do all these roles mean? paleontologist legend, secret finder, horizon spotter, etc

[lament temple]

How do I get progression roles?

• The way roles used to work in the Cells Discord server is through a fancy feature called “Linked Roles.” An update broke the linked roles system, and since it has been broken for so long, the moderators have decided to revert to the old method of assigning game progression roles: manually. Post screenshots of your progress in #🏆-share-your-prestige, and you might get some snazzy roles if your progress meets certain requirements.
  -# In case you want to look at the requirements, please click on the server's top bar, then select 'Linked Roles'. You can view the requirements of each role there. You can also take a look at #🏆-share-your-prestige message.

Frequently Asked Questions • Requested by Sugar 🌲

[untold spade]

ahhhh i tried looking for that sort of info but couldn't find it earlier. sorry

[wicked lagoon]

niu

[wicked lagoon]

how u have so much entrobits

im literally stuck at 2E29

[steady dune]

Empty sim at 20d before update

[wicked lagoon]

like before the reboot?

[steady dune]

20d wait before buying anything in primary

[wicked lagoon]

hm

i zm like 2 days away from the max entrobits

[wicked lagoon]

after that should I reboot?

[steady dune]

Then buy all, 30x click, then reboot

[wicked lagoon]

buy all nodes?

and the clicking comet?

alr thxx

[upper hawk]

lol imagine trying to predict what im about to say loool

[wicked lagoon]

E.

go die

[upper hawk]

i pretty much just started the game

2 years ago r smth

idk

[wicked lagoon]

ik u have like nothing\

[fluid delta]

That's about how long ago I started, 2 years. Roughly

[wicked lagoon]

crazy how I have level 78n and have less stuff than u

[chilly bloom]

I accidentally updated the game while I was cashing in on my 21 day empty sim

I got the benefits I suppose- but it nerfed my knowledge conversion and now there's no way I'm getting to 50 Oc needed for the Graviton Expansion

[rocky bison]

I have an

[mellow carbon]

Yea, it's ~100x worse than before. I just tested buying out at 7 days and compared to my previous empty-sim run (no purchases since then).
Oddly I don't get that it's that much better for XP unless there's some additional multiplier. I'm getting ~4x entropy and the same ideas. It didn't push me up a level.

[chilly bloom]

jeez

[rocky bison]

Well it already took me a long while to get from 71 to 72 but it was worth it

[chilly bloom]

the one thing I like is the time chambers panel and that it shows me clearly why my metabits are lacking- need to buy those multiplier nodes

[mellow carbon]

Depending on how much you can buy, you'll be able to get a fair bit beyond 72.

[rocky bison]

I plan on making a modified replica of the reality engine tree in canva

[mellow carbon]

But my estimate is at the rate I'm earning it's ~33 years to get to the next level (over the next day that will get somewhat better, but not excessively)

[rocky bison]

Wanna help me make the reality engine tree

https://www.canva.com/design/DAHDSWTSMSw/sPeXx3rFgYRjmOL4gJh_lw/edit?utm_content=DAHDSWTSMSw&utm_campaign=designshare&utm_medium=link2&utm_source=sharebutton

[chilly bloom]

What level are you on?

[chilly bloom]

Oh wow- I don't suppose you have upgrades left to buy in the reality engine

So as endgame as it gets I guess

[mellow carbon]

There are a few things left to buy, and I can't buy all the knowledge upgrades. 1.51E31 isn't enough.

1.09E33 gets me through the metabit tree.

[chilly bloom]

(quickly trying to convert the notation)

I have 1.3E27 metabits I guess, just posted in #🏆-share-your-prestige for reference

yes that's about right

nope, 13.03 octillion

or maybe I converted wrongly

[mellow carbon]

That doesn't make sense. Each of the X-illions is a 10^3, 10^6, 10^9. So 1.3E27 should be 1.3 X-illion (for some X).

[chilly bloom]

oh so then it should be 1.3E28

cause 1 octillion would be E27- geez so confusing

[white egret]

oct is 8, convert is 3*8+3 is 27

you could use engineering notation but no one does that ofc

[stable stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-omni-man-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-invincible-gif-3935116808772397515

[mellow carbon]

Agreed. It's much better to count how many letters there are between QQQ and CCC to figure out what the ratio is.

[white egret]

🥀

[chilly bloom]

I thought this was engineering notation 345 x 10¹⁸ and the one above scientific

[white egret]

yea thats right

engineering groups by the E(3n)

[mellow carbon]

They're effectively the same 345 x 10^18 = 345E18

It's just easier to write the latter.

[white egret]

but sci just does it by E(n)

[minor acorn]

Hello! 👋

When is the best time to upgrade?
Sometimes, there is a "upgrade recommended" label, but this time it has been a while, and I haven't got it yet.

Alao, why I don't have a "Time Chamber tab" like what was included in last patch: "giving players clear visual control over how to utilize time and when to reboot"

[white egret]

its most likely because you havent unlocked the time chambers yet, but the general idea for when to reboot is whenever progress feels slow

[ebon mulch]

Do these premium unlocks last through every simulation?

[distant urchin]

yup

[tranquil nebula]

Googol is the exception

Where do I find codes to add friends/follow people?

[forest anchor]

There's no need to use any codes to do so

Just insert the username of the person you want to follow

[real storm]

No its player id

[forest anchor]

🙏

[real storm]

🥀 💔

[mellow carbon]

Both work. I've added almost everyone by name (LiefEric) in my case.

[slow rock]

I am back

[untold spade]

do the powers that be just look through that channel and give out roles accordingly or do i need to ask in that channel?

[white egret]

just send the images and a mod will get to it eventually

[fathom stirrup]

every now and then certain individuals are sharing literally every step they made from bed

[hollow pelican]

In jester we believe

[hollow pelican]

an update where they finally revamped the Cheat Detection System, I can't say anything more because it's private

[wicked lagoon]

im eating rn

[jagged eagle]

Sharing

[left grotto]

damn I remember when they put up the paid accelerator thingies up and then quietly pulled down meso and beyond ones

now the beyond one is back but I imagine the meso one is gutted forever

(I got the first two because they cost almost nothing even in the current economy and I had a lil bit of money to spare)

[gray yew]

K thx

[upbeat meteor]

Guys my Google app store auto updated my game 😭

[grizzled lance]

Is that bad?

[upbeat meteor]

Yes because the old update allowed for better empty sim runs

[grizzled lance]

Oh, i see

[upbeat meteor]

I seriously crashed out when I saw the logo changed 😭

[grizzled lance]

That's a really cool thing about minecraft. You can download any older version in the launcher and play it.

Just apropos 🙃

[swift heron]

Just wondering but wouldn't there be a point where exploration events stop working on the old version?

Like doesnt the game version have to stay updated long enough for them to work

[azure turtle]

Tbf where's the fun in just waiting?

[swift heron]

Where's the fun in constantly doing the same thing for tiny amounts of rewards

Aka constantly rebooting

[azure turtle]

Where's the fun in waiting 21 days doing nothing for a bit bigger reward than normal

[white egret]

the balence is still off but there is hope they fix it in the future

[white egret]

its not just a bit tho

per sephs report its 50x

[azure turtle]

The game was never intended to be played like this though

The point is to play

[white egret]

its an idle game?

in idle games the point is to wait for things to happen

so if theres a better way to wait, people will take that

[swift heron]

"A bit" is a complete underexaggeration

[swift heron]

What tescoo said

In most (if not all of) idle games constantly resetting isnt the strategy at all

[white egret]

it seems i was wrong actually, its 80x worse

[swift heron]

What the hell

[white egret]

this is the report im talking about

[swift heron]

Huge wall of text😭

[white egret]

it makes sense to have it in context

ill be able to complete an empty sim soon so, while im not maxxed ill be able to compare some stats

[minor acorn]

Oh, okay, thank you for the answer. I upgraded now, and have the time chamber unlocked.

Is it bad to upgrade too often?

[swift heron]

I dont think this looks right on mobile

[white egret]

you should reboot if there is a good upgrade you can get, but otherwise waiting a bit longer is better

[white egret]

ah... heres the formatting on desktop

[minor acorn]

x5 entropy is a good upgrade right? 👀

[white egret]

yeah, but again youll have to weight up each reboot per situation

[outer hull]

What is empty sim?

[white egret]

empty sim strat is where, after you reboot, you dont buy any generators untill all your bit time chambers fill up, then you start buying

when you wait for the bit time chambers to fill up, it gives a larger boost to the bits per fill

the boost currently is like 100k ish? so if youd gain E20 metabits without the strat, youd instead gain E26

but previously it was 1 million, so the boost was larger

[azure turtle]

Yeah, but here you're doing exactly nothing, for 3 weeks

[swift heron]

@fluid delta

[white egret]

true but that follows for alot of games, like right now im doing absolutly nothing in AD, but the design of the game has benefits to that playstyle

[swift heron]

What is AD

[white egret]

antimatter dimensions

[swift heron]

Whar

[white egret]

another idle game

i actually need to port my save over to desktop

[white egret]

i can answer this actually: ||kinda, alot of the "finished" things are just missing polish, and arent on the direct path the devs want to take right now, currently theyre focusing on finishing pre-prestige beyond, and some of the main sim, but the unpolished concepts will "eventually" make it to production, all we can do is guess on their pipeline (current thought is E30, ind rev, then maybe one of the ages/insects/prestige?) but we will eventually see the finished game||

[strange lark]

I feel like that idling gameplay will just be enjoyed by some people and not by others
I dont think one is really better than the other, you can do both well

[white egret]

or tldr: ||there is alot of concept stuff they want to do, but they prob want a good update they know people want first||

[fluid delta]

As Tescoo said, and besides, I’m not a Dev or even a Cells employee, just another player like you

[swift heron]

I'm more so questioning HOW did they get THIS much stuff done

Like there is no way making this takes a low amount of time

[white egret]

theyve been working on the game for a while, since i joined the discord 4 months ago i dont have timelines for the older things (and esp for their leaks) but theyve been at this for a couple years

[forest anchor]

I agree

[swift heron]

So every year they just add a small but still kind of large branch that isnt polished and they wait later for it to actually get put into beta

[white egret]

i cant attest to that

from my perspective ||insects, kardeshev, plants, etc all already existed||

i played very casually before RR

[white egret]

sitting thru 53 ach sounds ...

[white egret]

most def, i think a game is at its best when it can be played by many groups, both those who want to just idle and those who want more active gameplay can coexist here, but the current systems and features they have dont lend nicely either way

[tawdry parrot]

we need click mechanics for active players

[white egret]

im gonna use random groupings here and say there are 3 camps of playstyle: active, passive, and idle, and CTS hasnt seemed to pick any one out (unless they have and the balance has gone against that)

late game there isnt much to do activly, maybe events but passive play also works well in that

idle gameplay only works well in lategame main sim ofc, but id say passive play takes the lead

[tawdry parrot]

do you mean leaving the game open with passive?

[white egret]

passive is checking in on the game every now and then to buy an upgrade or 2, maybe buy more generators

idle is completly leaving the game it itself (as in empty sim)

[tawdry parrot]

I fell for it again 😭

[brisk island]

how long should i run an empty sim? 7 days or 14 days

[white egret]

14 days, unless you dont have all the chambers ofc

[brisk island]

ok

i hope ill reach the last 2 and 4 upgrades

[dry cairn]

without all the time chamber nodes, I assume its better to reset frequently.

[brisk island]

i have them all so not need to do that

[swift heron]

It doesnt even do anything

And you dont need it to finish the event

[brisk island]

waiting 14 days is like well waiting 14 days

[pearl fable]

Hi

[desert flax]

14d = 14d, the math checks out

[hollow pelican]

14d = 2w that's it

[grizzled lance]

Hoho. I spent so much time playing a fresh install of the game that i won't be completing the cat event in either of them 🥴

But hey. At least it has calmed my temptation to restart the main sim so often so i can rack up some timey wimey.

[final heart]

How do U get rid of the Red "?" On the top of ur screen

[hollow pelican]

Hello fellow jesters!
Sadly, you can't get rid of the jester mode (the one with a big red question mark) because you may have cheated by altering your time in the game to get a lot of entropy or idea

Real Jesterians here

[strange lark]

https://giphy.com/gifs/know-does-he-XAeEGyCbp8UehBPkSA

[upbeat meteor]

but I like bigger numbers 😭

[spare crane]

Kindly refrain from using jester update references for us non beta/alpha players. Whenever you write here I immediately check the Google play for updates 😄

[tidal briar]

i missed the end of another event and didn’t get the last badge ;-;

[sweet hedge]

happens

then you have to wait 42 centuries for the event to be back again

[fathom stirrup]

hopefully Cats will be repeated within a month 😛

[sweet hedge]

i really like the extinction event

ones of my fav

its the "story of the universe" event replacement we never got

[amber canyon]

Interesting. I'm currently testing a file on mollusc update and on the time-update.

They were identical ~18 hours ago. When I ported the file to the time-update I bought the 4 RE nodes and the new module. I've been going in occasionally to both files to buy generators.

I was - at the time of porting - a day after starting to buy stuff at the end of 21 day empty sim run and at RL78.5

Since then:
My mollusc-file RL hasn't changed (RL78.5) with a time to next level of 18 years.
My time-file RL is now RL78 4/6 with a time-to-next-level of 6 months.

Both these are still quite a long time obvs, unsurprising as I'm beyond the end of new content. But I expect the times will continue dropping and the time-file will reach RL79 in the not too distant future.

ETA for others doing this, both files were able to claim the event reward. No idea if this is a bug.

[steady canyon]

what is the best use of logits

[ivory estuary]

Augments

Can’t really use them for much else useful

[steady canyon]

ok yea but like which ones should i go for first

[amber canyon]

Look at the ones you have unlocked and can afford, and buy the one that gives you the best multiplier.

[raw minnow]

Is there a reason I only have structures spawning for the Scientific Revolution?

[amber canyon]

That garden is a work in progress, starting from the recent Scientific Revolution update. I expect additional structures will appear as / when additional civ updates happen.

[fathom stirrup]

I would say Volcano in Meso is best use of logits - makes it so much easier to go through

[raw minnow]

Thanks, I had thought something was wrong with my app when it was only loading the Scientific Revolution structures. But now you've straightened things out for me

[amber canyon]

The Devs talked about it in this announcement - #📢-announcements message

[raw minnow]

I just joined this server today

[amber canyon]

I figured 🙂 - welcome!

The announcements channel can be useful but is easily overlooked, so I linked it. And you can always ask stuff here - someone might know the answer 😁.

[raw minnow]

Amanda?

[amber canyon]

Auto-correct. Sorry.

[raw minnow]

Sure

[dry cairn]

Thanks, good to know that even on the new version we probably wont be gaining a level.

Ill do more 21 vs 14 testing on Wednesday if I have time.

[amber canyon]

Buying stuff at the end of the empty sim took me from 77.0 to 78.5 (78 4/6 with time-update). That seems reasonable to me, given I'm beyond new content.

[dry cairn]

Same. The last one also took me from 78.0 to 78.5

Oh. Wait thats different

You got 1.5 and I got 0.5

[amber canyon]

It's Def diminishing returns now though. Think I'm just going to collect XP for a bit. See if I can get to RL79. And 500 Molluscs. Maybe 1000 Paleognathaes.

[dry cairn]

Almost like there is a ceiling. The diminishing returns get crazy.

[amber canyon]

I did quite a lot of shooting stars. And waited - passing time at full time nodes for XP ...

I don't have much interest in starting another empty sim

[amber canyon]

Yeah. The XP reqts goes up a lot. Regardless, whatever I do for the next month or so till the next orange/purple update will be irrelevant once it drops.

[tawdry parrot]

Did I finish the game?

[amber canyon]

... Nearly ... ?

P.S. congrats!

[dry cairn]

I got up to maybe 486 mollusks?
Started to feel like it would a week to get the rest.
Let us know how long it takes if you do get the 500

[tall mirage]

Oh I'm also at like 78.25 or smth

[tawdry parrot]

😄

oh theres scientific revolution upgrades after

[tall mirage]

Maybe 82-83 with Ind rev

[polar viper]

Same

Primary sim is just meso in disguise

Done and dusted

The time update did an e29 for me

No progress till further notice

[amber canyon]

They have a cost multiplier of 1.25. Mollusc-file is at 478. It'll take forever to get to 500. Time-file has already got to 485 (7 more in 18 hours).

[dry cairn]

👆 the way the game goes. Currently takes a month to get from 78 to 79 then when the next update comes we all jump a few levels instantly.

[amber canyon]

End game problems 😁

[tall mirage]

Yea, might as well just wait for next update

[tawdry parrot]

is the AI event dated?

[polar viper]

Not really, since llms are not really something technologically new and mosty scam anyways. The basics and tech mostly remained the same.

Just hype and lot of dollars thrown at it the last years.
Still as far away from agi than a toaster

[amber canyon]

Flashbacks to the AI toaster in Red Dwarf.

[fathom stirrup]

Any czechs here? Czech dubbing is spectacular on Red Dwarf. I tried to watch it in english, but it jst wasn't that funny.

[hollow pelican]

Hello Jesterians!

[willow mango]

That’s a fine goal. I’m at 496 Mollusk and RL 78 - 2.5e331/3.93e331 experience at 15d simulation time. I think you might have more RE upgrade: IB XI - I’m at 76/100

I didn’t stay old version like the rest of you. 🙂

[amber canyon]

It seems like a sensible goal for both of us. Something to pass the time for a bit.

I think I'm going to commit to moving to the time-update. My current time-file XP is 2e329 / 3.93e331 so a bit to go (but compilers/capacitors + buying generators should address that). You're def ahead in that as well as Molluscs.

I currently have 81/100 of IB XI, and when I cash in the run I'll be able to get 6 more. Unless ofc there's other stuff to spend the knowledge on.

[dry cairn]

Oh nice. You're close to hitting 79.

[willow mango]

Will probably launch an empty sim strat after I hit those two goals, unless update is imminent.

[amber canyon]

Tbf, I didn't have access to the time update until 5 Mar. Delaying updating by 3-4 days seems acceptable? Maybe?