💬-cells-chat

[wicked python]

new LOGO?!

[forest anchor]

It's been here for ages

[frigid adder]

Blood Belly Comb Jelly my beloved ❤️ (ignore the fact I wasn't here)

[hollow pelican]

you weren't here twice

[forest anchor]

This sticker's even older than me iirc

[hollow pelican]

older than the universe

[frigid adder]

In the start of the universe, god said "Let there be Blood Belly Comb Jelly sticker in the official c2s discord server!"

[wicked python]

i dont notice

[grizzled lance]

I did restart and semi-randomly spent all my meta on the boosters. Should result in an overall 3x speed increase. I'm happy with that 🙂

[wicked python]

math?

[grizzled lance]

not much. Just comparing new multipliers to old.

[hollow pelican]

but then God said "Let there be a Giant Squid"

[wicked python]

SCALLOP

[hollow pelican]

-# frutiger aero

[autumn galleon]

Wtf are time crystals?

[odd solstice]

The infinity pass is way too expensive for such a short time

[hollow pelican]

"Time Crystals increase currency production based on how long your current simulation has been running. This value resets upon rebooting."

[warm basin]

approaching 4 days into an empty Sim run but I still have a few entropy upgrades that'd increase the efficiency a ton. Should I keep waiting till 21 days or should I get these first & then start a 21 day run?

if I do one now, would I be able to afford the Triassic terminator/ information theory upgrades?

[forest anchor]

Real

[amber canyon]

Impossible for us to know.

You can test by uploading a save file using the save manager cross platform save feature. Then do a reboot and play for ~5 mins buying all the stuff. If you didn't get enough, download the save file and wait some more.

[warm basin]

if I do get enough, should I stick with that save?

[amber canyon]

At 5 days in, if you got something like Triadic Terminator, or Info Theory, probably.

Unless the next good one is tantalisingly close 🙂

[white egret]

you could do some guessing with like what your got last time + the time buffs you have now, but we're gonna have to do alot more to make better tools

[white egret]

should be noted the exponential nature of the crystals and chambers might make things closer than they appear

[amber canyon]

Difficult to calculate. Lots of variables. But Def a challenge 😁

[white egret]

if a person saves enough data is possible, or if like a giant table of values is made

like you take your multiplers from the prev reboot, take the multi difference from this reboot, then account for time

[amber canyon]

I suspect putting aside gathering that and keeping it up to date; making a save and testing will always be the easier solution 😬

[white egret]

prob lol

[amber canyon]

And the things you bought too.

[white egret]

oh yeah thats what i mean with the difference

there wont be an exact one to one gain from multiplers (because the opportunity to buy generators and upgrades can change) but in late game its roughly the same

[amber canyon]

Ah yes. Sorry, literally just woke up and waiting for me coffee ...

[white egret]

lol gm

[amber canyon]

Well, cloudy and rainy. So not good.

[warm basin]

did some calculations this way, I should just about reach Information Theory

[polar viper]

Buy via steam to make it a bit cheaper in my experience than via appstores. Still a bit too expensive

[white egret]

if we only consider either entro or idea and not at the same time, then its just 2+1 variables to care about, (entro boost, meta boost, and time)

time we know the formulas, and for the other 2 you can make a table maybe

[white egret]

all days are good, you just have to find the reason

[amber canyon]

Quite a few you can't tell what the boost is until e.g. you've bought generators.

[white egret]

oh generator number i forgot about that

thats also roughly related to your other boosts tho

like with more entropy you can buy more generators etc etc

[forest anchor]

Some days just aren't good though...

[white egret]

then make yourself the reason

[forest anchor]

Sometimes there aren't any reasonable reasons and you have to admit it

[polar viper]

Every day has the same weather in cells

[amber canyon]

And ofc something like an update changes stuff. Including (possibly) the data you've carefully gathered over time.

[forest anchor]

A bad day doesn't mean a bad life

Possibly

[white egret]

they're TOS so unless the devs have a change of heart they wont be public

[amber canyon]

My Dinos haven't seen day for maybe a year now. They're stuck in nighttime hell.

[forest anchor]

Oh huh

I'm scatterbrained rn apparently

[amber canyon]

Does a volcano erupting count as a change in weather?

[white egret]

true but its nicer to choose to make a day good

"existence is enough" yk?

[polar viper]

Hey they died 550 times all together. Now they have a good life in the valley

[forest anchor]

Depends on how you think about it...

[white egret]

volcanos can change the weather, so yeah

[forest anchor]

Sometimes people don't even desire to exist, I wonder why

Anyways this is out of #💬-cells-chat's scope

[amber canyon]

Too philosophical for me at this time. And tbh v subjective.

[forest anchor]

If you wanna continue I'm totally fine continuing in #🏠-general :)

[white egret]

ah idrc lol

[forest anchor]

Me too lmao

[polar viper]

Yeah moving to general. Thats instant discussion killer

[white egret]

i just love happiness

[amber canyon]

I was thinking that as I typed. I'm (almost) trained.

But it'll die in general, so no point going there.

[polar viper]

[forest anchor]

549 reincarnations is insane

[white egret]

oh on the note of updates changing the tables n such

it should be easily calculatable

[amber canyon]

But do they have a good life with volcano-weather?

Or without.

[white egret]

this

[forest anchor]

Ah

[polar viper]

Weather can be fine with volcano. A volcano can just sit there not violently erupting. Look at hawaii

[forest anchor]

Pretty sure that isn't the case in the Mesozoic Valley...

[white egret]

like since the game is turing complete, and solvable, you should be able to reach most states you want quickly, even if an update changes some numbers

[amber canyon]

I can still see the stars while it's erupting. The sea doesn't boil.

[white egret]

(the proof of solvability is left as an exercise to the reader)

[amber canyon]

Do the golden floaty things change that? Even slightly? Theoretically?

[keen mango]

how do i progress thru beyond ranks(i'm on rank 25)

[polar viper]

For events the optimal path would be interesting

[forest anchor]

Complete objectives by completing requirements

[polar viper]

Depending on your number of badges etc

[white egret]

does randomness change solvability? uhhh im not a game theorist hold on

[keen mango]

ik, but it's so slow

[amber canyon]

Focus on buying your most effective generators, collecting any trait cards you can.

When you can (or it's easy) complete an objective. Don't focus on them until the last one, they'll slow you down.

[white egret]

it might squish or stretch the time frame of some period but i dont think it changes it completely

[amber canyon]

Prob does more in Beyond and Meso - more randomness in those.

[keen mango]

okay

[white egret]

ok so this is the worst solution to the problem but c#'s random number generator is only pseudo random! so its not technically random!

[amber canyon]

spits coffee

[keen mango]

i'ma just upgrade horsehead nebula, orion spur and orion nebula

[white egret]

it uses seeds too! so its uhhh, well we cant expect a person to just know the seed that the number generator is using

[amber canyon]

You're ... Technically correct (TM) ... I guess.

[polar viper]

Just go away from solvability and include heuristics. Then randomness is wayne and its even possible to calculate at all in non endless time.

[amber canyon]

Horse head is one of my fave models. It's cool being able to see it from.other angles.

[white egret]

but an actual answer is that since the randomness can never like, destroy a state, it can only move it along a branch that already existed (just in the future) then it doesnt have a large effect

[amber canyon]

My quote for the day 'randomness is Wayne'.

[white egret]

like (afaik) its always a constant multiple of your income, so it just moves you into the future

[forest anchor]

...Is this still a #💬-cells-chat thing

X_X

[white egret]

yeah we're talking about cts

[polar viper]

U think cells is solvable but even chess isnt really which is a way way simpler game than any pc game

[white egret]

chess is solvable?

it just hasnt been solved yet

[forest anchor]

Chess is actually a complex game /nsrs

[polar viper]

Nah chess is simple. Small Board. Very limited move Sets. Very clear rules.

[white egret]

also this is somewhat easier since there isnt competition in cells

[amber canyon]

theoretically

But anyway, there are a lot of branches you can discount in cells pretty immediately. I think chess is more complex.

[white egret]

there are literally 2(3) things you can do in cells

do nothing
buy something

[forest anchor]

Small board? Yes
Clear rules? Yes
Limited move sets? I guess?
The possibilities? I wonder...

[polar viper]

It just gets complex via planning moves into the future.

[amber canyon]

I reckon I can brush up my chess skills in 10 mins and check it, right?

[polar viper]

And for cells this is endless more

[white egret]

but they'll only be 1 optimal path in cells per state

[amber canyon]

I'll be a grand master in no time 😜

[polar viper]

But you have a thousand different things to buy which interact in different forms. If you dont simplifiy it drastically you have every buy step nearly endless possibilities already.

[amber canyon]

whatdya mean people have been trying to solve this for centuries. Pah. They:re just not trying hard enough. And they didn't believe in my perpetual motion machine either

[polar viper]

You need weighting functions to drastically simplifiy the buy decision or you have too many decision branches

[white egret]

there are ways to cull branches, also we dont have to solve completly, even if we do like a depth 10 solve per reasonable state thats pretty good

[polar viper]

So without heuristics u are done

[amber canyon]

Which I think is pretty easy in cells? Speaking as a chess grand master ofc.

[polar viper]

It is, but we talking about actually solving the game which would include testing out every fricking possible path which is doable in chess to some degree, but not in most pc games

[forest anchor]

"Bro thinks he's Magnus" ahh

[amber canyon]

Ah, am engineer, happy to cull lots of paths with the mark 1 eyeball.

[white egret]

we can cull any state where some generator has been bought with a worse income cost ratio than another given it doesnt unlock anything optimal

thats like infinity% of the states

[forest anchor]

Chess is possible but in reality not doable... yet

[polar viper]

Yeah. There is a reason ai's are the best chess players atm. Because just brute forcing it, fast explodes.

But i used chess as one of the simplest games to bruteforce aka go every possible possibility

Most other games explodes way faster

[white egret]

oh actually this reminds me of something annoying in beyond, when you are buying more than 1 generator and you go over a rank, it doesnt calculate your gains at that new rank

[polar viper]

So the entire Idea of solvable is useless

[white egret]

i think an event would be the easiest thing to solve, since it has the least extra stuff

whats the smallest event?

[forest anchor]

Not sure

Wait

[white egret]

oh i can check actually

[forest anchor]

Why am I not sure

Cryptids of course

[polar viper]

Also u dont want to solve a game, you just want the probably 99% most optimal path

[forest anchor]

Face Your Fears is undoubtedly the smallest exploration at the moment

[white egret]

oh true ofc

[polar viper]

For Events it would have a use too

Like a suggestion what to buy next

Or when to save

And how long to stay offline

[white egret]

oh yeah ive been thinking on what itd look like for a bit lol

[white egret]

(this is unrelated but really funny, cryptids is so small, its less than double the size of the test tree, with like nothing in it)

the largest is plague

[forest anchor]

Plague? Didn't expect that

[hollow pelican]

is it

[white egret]

it just barely beat money

[amber canyon]

I got a chess certificate ... I'm an eXpErT now

[white egret]

lmao

2016 i had no idea we time traveled

10 years ago damn

i cant believe T was 2026-T years ago 😔

[forest anchor]

You are an expert?

Wanna have a game of chess? /nsrs

[amber canyon]

Yup. I've been an expert for YEARS.

[forest anchor]

(I kinda suck lmfao)

[amber canyon]

(as of 5 mins ago that is)

[white egret]

i suck im like 900 ish?, but that was a year ago

[forest anchor]

900 in what?

[white egret]

elo

[forest anchor]

Of which pace?

[amber canyon]

I am actually terrible at chess.

The last game I played (laser chess) I did win, but it took a while. And it turned out my opponent thought they were playing the same colour as me. So ... We both won? Kinda?

[white egret]

casual

[forest anchor]

No no no

There's rapid blitz and bullet?

[white egret]

yeah i only play casually lol

ive barely played against people tho

im bad but my friends are worse :/

[forest anchor]

I'm 800 rapid but 1100 blitz, 3 minutes timer is good because when I blunder people will mess up their time management for no reason and I can at least make a draw

Anyways I just realized I'm misusing this channel once again goddammit

[white egret]

lol

[polar viper]

I see we all play cells for a reason

We are all terrible in chess

[amber canyon]

Still takes a while though.

[white egret]

the size is a rough measure of things that exist in the tree

not of how long it takes

[amber canyon]

So helps for solvability, yeah.

Still obnoxiously slow for one badge. Hmph.

[white egret]

actually i think i have all the data i need to make this solver

[polar viper]

Its special and doing its best dont bully it

[white egret]

oh god im gonna have to make trees arent i

surely i can make dictionaries of dictionaries

[amber canyon]

Can you use any of Sugars(?) they're making them aren't they?

[white egret]

oh no i mean the data structure

for parsing

cause per node youre gonna need: cost, reqs, (if gen) income, (if upgrade) multi,(if upgrade) target gen

[amber canyon]

Anyway, stuff to do. Have fun y'alls.

[white egret]

have a good one imma helldive

[copper wraith]

goodbye.

[white egret]

you cant say "how it feels" and then the events just happen

also i bought this game yesterday lol

[polar viper]

A new recruit

[white egret]

i dont have the gear for cyberstan lol im trying to level up

[forest anchor]

Farewell

[copper wraith]

man why after prestige 2 in mesozoic valley rewards lag so much

like 2 fps

[frail mason]

NOOOOOOOOO A SIXSEVEN SpAMMER

HEL{

HELP

[autumn galleon]

Found it.

[tall laurel]

Did the something went wrong bug got fixed?

[autumn galleon]

Yeah if you update

[tall laurel]

New update?

Lemme check

Where was the day it updated or I'm blind

😭

Was it rn?

[true vigil]

can we all agree episode 27 is the worst part to replay in beyond

like holy bad balancing

[forest anchor]

It's kind of bad, indeed, but I don't think it's that bad

[true vigil]

it slows you down unnecesarily

28 is faster to rebeat iirc

[forest anchor]

I simply don't enjoy both

[hollow pelican]

I don't remember

[swift heron]

Not really

I see both 27 and 28 are unbalanced

Like without the 4x boost overdrive beyond would have taken me WEEKS for ONE generator

I kinda dont want to get to episode 29 cause it will probably have the worst balancing by far

[forest anchor]

And you are correct

[tropic fiber]

28 is taking too long

about 2 weeks in

these used to barely take 2 weeks

and now 2 weeks in im not even halfway there

[true vigil]

let me guess beacause of milky way

or more specificly beacause sag dwarf and mag cloud are worthless

[tropic fiber]

i have no idea myself honestly

[forest anchor]

Those astronomical structures are large

Normally the generator's timer is based on how large they are (e.g. Jupiter takes longer to generate Stardust than Mercury)

[tawdry parrot]

Will I be able to get these last two achievements in part 2?

of beyond

or should I wait before upgrading at rank 17 to get them

[junior fox]

Bro there are no rush, relax and enjoy, they are balanced enought to not pass every episode in one week, because updates are not so fast

[white egret]

the parts in indistinguishable gameplay wise, you will still have access to all the things in part 1

so it doesnt really matter? if you want to you can wait to get them but there isnt much need to

[junior fox]

What with that card, I have opened 150+ stars and still can't get it

[flint ore]

Do any of you have any tips on how to boost entropy production to progress in the new mollusk update?

[lofty robin]

Wait 21 days

[flint ore]

😔

[amber canyon]

For 'normal' play, as normal: focus on getting your most effective generators and as your time chambers to grow it'll help (the purple ones boost entropy).

For active min-maxing: spam reboot to get more reality engine nodes to boost your speed and get more boosts and stuff.

For passive min-maxing and when Spam-Rebooting is no longer effective: Do Empty Sim - i.e. reboot and don't buy any generators, wait till your time crystals hit max (~21days) and then start buying.

For bonus min-maxing in Empty Sim: Leave the game open in e.g. Beyond or Meso and open up primary occasionally. This will make in game time pass twice as fast for time nodes.

[white egret]

also a tip for normal play: the value sorting in the menu doesnt sort by income over cost, its just the income, so you might not be getting as good a deal as you expect

[tawdry parrot]

nooo

[white egret]

a way to find income over cost (quickly) is the set the buy mode to "max" as everything will be the same cost, you can then judge by the income, ofc you might buy too much of a generator then

[amber canyon]

Mine works dandy [1] for buy max (Android). I get the feeling that if you aren't on buy max, or are on other platforms it might be set up differently

[1] By which I mean the 'which should I spend most money on to get the most return' sorting is right, not necessarily considering the reality engine nodes that grow depending on qty generators.

[white egret]

yep thats why i added this

[tawdry parrot]

I autoclick sort by value and let it buy everything

[amber canyon]

Hmm. Coming up to 8 days in to this empty sim run and would be 1/10th of the way to Tachyon Funnel (metabits crystals at ~45) if I rebooted now.

[tawdry parrot]

I just started the event at 1d 2h, is it a long or short event?

[flint ore]

Ty

[amber canyon]

For me: middling (assuming same number of badges as other events).

[tawdry parrot]

0 😄

[amber canyon]

I hope you have lots of tea in then 😁.

My 3rd time of doing it (with 35% badge boost) took me just over 7h to complete (presumably playing it actively).

[amber canyon]

🍵

[tall laurel]

Chat

The something went wrong bug is fixed

I think

I appeared once and it didn't appear anymore

I could finish the ep20 in beyond

[lone bronze]

REALLY????

YESSSSSSSS

also I got amphibians yesterday :D

I'm so close to galactic nucleus

[forest anchor]

Good luck

[hollow pelican]

be careful there

[lone bronze]

I-I meant beyond episode 26

but I flung myself to galactic nucleus irl

[hollow pelican]

oh

ok

[lone bronze]

/j

[rugged atlas]

guys

#GIANTCLAMSUPERIORCTSMOLLUSK

[hollow pelican]

this is why future scientists will have a hard time studying this channel

[pseudo cliff]

I'm so mad, I needed 6 more of the last object in Beyond and now they made it impossible to even get a single one 😭

To get the achievement

[amber canyon]

The 'balancing' they did was stupid, imo.

[pseudo cliff]

It's like so far out of reach, it seems really unreasonable

[amber canyon]

Everybody is now frozen in Beyond.

The balancing shouldn't make it impossible to finish ..

[tawdry parrot]

we're gonna be fed into AI

[lone bronze]

what

[pseudo cliff]

But kinda glad to hear I'm not the only one with this issue and thinks that way

[tawdry parrot]

ive watched 300 ads in total 😭

[pseudo cliff]

Everyone in the endgame of it

[lone bronze]

is this like episode 29 problems

[pseudo cliff]

Ya

[lone bronze]

ohhh

they increased the prices???

lowered the stardust production??

[amber canyon]

||Great Attractor|| now costs x10 more, and provides x10 less income. Other generators had similar.

[pseudo cliff]

Wow that's crazy, I didn't look at the numbers more closely

That's outrageous

I have 5 and 5 of it's upgrades and all of the relevant constellations and it would take many weeks, or even months to get a single one lmao

[amber canyon]

Info bnm gave:
||virgo cluster is 100x weaker,
messier 87 is 10x weaker,
quasar 3c 273 and laniakea costs 10x as much and are 10x weaker,
local void costs 50x as much, and
great attractor costs 10x as much and is 10x weaker||

[lone bronze]

WHAT

nah

[pseudo cliff]

Wow so folks who are still getting to the endgame will have such a brutal time too wtf

[lone bronze]

I ain't updating nothin until I max beyond

[lone bronze]

IM EPISODE 26 😭 😭

[pseudo cliff]

My condolences

It's so over for us

[lone bronze]

7 more generators until doom

[amber canyon]

We're all hoping the Devs re-rebalance it.

[pseudo cliff]

I'm just not touching beyond anymore for now

[lone bronze]

||nucleus, sag a, milkyway, sag dwarf, large mag cloud, triangulum and andromeda||

[steady dune]

That's big debuff*

[lone bronze]

I just got to where I was in episode 25

[amber canyon]

6 months for me to get my next ||Great Attractor|| (not counting ad doubling or trait ranking).

I'm just collecting the freebies in there for now.

[lone bronze]

wait, you unlock something if you get rank 3 in omega cen?

[pseudo cliff]

A nerf is what you mean

[lone bronze]

cuz I got near and far 3kpc arms from perseus

[lone bronze]

Same thing

[pseudo cliff]

Not really imo

[tawdry parrot]

beyond part 2 here we come

[lone bronze]

you mean episode 2?

[tawdry parrot]

episode 18

huh why am I starting at the sun?

[lone bronze]

ohhhh

[lone bronze]

you always start at the sun

it's just normal beyond with more generators and you can zoom out further

[tawdry parrot]

bruh what

what about series 2 then

[lone bronze]

after you unlock alpha centauri, you unlock the next generator

just normal

[tawdry parrot]

when do I get the series 2 lootboxes

[lone bronze]

upgrade universe, reset progress

[lone bronze]

episode 18

you get all of them

well there are new stars

[tawdry parrot]

I just started 18

[lone bronze]

ohhhhhhhh that

[lone bronze]

then you already have them

[amber canyon]

Tbh - and no facts to support this, just vibes - it feels like they've nerfed drop rates for E29 generator trait cards too.

[lone bronze]

once you unlock the first generator I think?

[tawdry parrot]

ngl bro this is so lame I was expacting to start at proxima centauri in part 2

[lone bronze]

you already have proxima fentauri

[lone bronze]

you need to get the first generator

[tawdry parrot]

yes but im starting at the sun

[lone bronze]

ohhhh

[amber canyon]

I think soon you'll get the Stage 2 nursery rewards. Maybe E19?

[lone bronze]

sorry to disappoint but...

episode 18 is just like all the others

[tawdry parrot]

cant be the only one who thought part 1 and part 2 were seperate

[lone bronze]

just new lootboxes and stuff

[tawdry parrot]

cuz part 1 was a slouch already

[lone bronze]

when it was in beta, sure, ppl thought it was different I think

but ppl eventually maxed it and realized

[tawdry parrot]

:/

[lone bronze]

though every object from sun to alpha cen gets a little buff

[pseudo cliff]

It gets faster to go through the beginning because you get the upgrade for all objects

[lone bronze]

1.5x speed that doubles every episode

[tawdry parrot]

whats even more lame is that u barely get rare/epic cards so getting to the new generators barely gets shorter

its not comparable to meso

im disappointed

[amber canyon]

And that is why many old-timers still actively compete in events (for the black holes). Instead of leaving you young'uns to it.

[lone bronze]

sorry

[tawdry parrot]

black holes are worse than diamond geodes

[lone bronze]

I haven't gotten even a neutron star from events 😭

[tawdry parrot]

but I suppose I can park beyond

[lone bronze]

I play mostly freemium, only spend my darwinium on time fluxes in primary

and only get it from synthesizers and next level mindsets

[pseudo cliff]

Time fluxes? 😭

[amber canyon]

In terms of gold/silver drops, yes. But they're basically the only reasonable way of getting them in Beyond.

[pseudo cliff]

Why would you ever do that

[lone bronze]

idk

[tawdry parrot]

real life time is free bro

[lone bronze]

I hate that they raised the price

from 3 to 10 dar

[tawdry parrot]

beyond would be way easier if dark matter gain scaled properly like in meso

[pseudo cliff]

Do you have all modules and upgrades already? You wanna get all of those first

[amber canyon]

And ofc diamond geodes are 'worthless' once you've finished Meso.

[lone bronze]

oh ok, I mostly buy the logit ones

and I have alpha to delta

maybe epsilon but I haven't checked

[tawdry parrot]

clicking also doesnt do jack in beyond

my meso click is 400% vs beyond 80%

[pseudo cliff]

Oh yeah you mean the augment stuff. You wanna get those too, together with modules and upgrades.

[amber canyon]

Check the pins for a comment from me with advice on events. Will be harder if you don't have badges, but ~18 months ago I could often rank top 10 in events by doing what it says (with few / no badges).

[white egret]

hey kf im thinking more about the cells solver and i wanna ask your opinion on smth

[amber canyon]

Am all ears 🙂

[white egret]

what exactly is the "value" that the solver is trying to maximise? my first idea is income/(cost*time)

time is the time to buy the items to get the income

i think this makes sense but i wanna get a 2nd opinion

[amber canyon]

Increase in income/s for cost?

[white egret]

so just income/cost?

[amber canyon]

I'd say income/s rather than income. But depends on your definition.

[white egret]

income is amount/s already?

[forest anchor]

amount/s^2 /nsrs

[white egret]

like your income is your gain in currency over time

[amber canyon]

Irl I would say my income doesn't necessarily include time. It is a monetary value only. Hence my terminology. But it's swings and roundabouts.

[tawdry parrot]

it seems my speed to alpha centauri isnt that slow

I really need to win events

[white egret]

lol is that a directly translated phrase

[amber canyon]

Feel free to disagree 😁

[white egret]

it could also depend on the context

but i think here since we already have a word that doesnt include time (currency/money) then income can be used as is

[amber canyon]

Okay. Definitions. Sorted. 😁

[white egret]

anyway its besides the point, i think (currency/s)/cost not taking into account time to gain that currency/s

[forest anchor]

Arch Dux has a scoring system in his 'Ultimate Beyond Data Spreadsheet' thing btw

[white egret]

like if you gain 10 income for 1 cost but it takes you a day, instead of the 1 income for 1 cost but it takes a second

[amber canyon]

I agree. Time to gain the currency is a distraction.

[tawdry parrot]

is there a command for roadmap

[white egret]

sorry i realise i didnt finish the sentence you replied to lol

[white egret]

i meant that the time to gain that income is important (like in this scenario)

[amber canyon]

In the Semblance channel? /Roadmap? /Help? It's out of date though. Electorus's roadmap in Art is much better.

[white egret]

oh rlly? let me check it out

[amber canyon]

Ah. So predictive, rather than momentary?

[white egret]

yeah

cause im assuming this will look far into the future of a run

(altho in the case of events, finishing quick might be more important)

[amber canyon]

Hmm. I tend to buy momentarily. But then I wait till I can buy at least one of everything.

[white egret]

i only have the primary sim one, can you send this one?

[white egret]

oh i do too, but i think if it were more optimal to wait to buy something it should be done

[amber canyon]

Predictive - you going to consider future effect of upgrades too?

[white egret]

yes

ive got a small doc outlining some things i think the calculator should do

[tawdry parrot]

NOOOO

[white egret]

i should ping instead actually, can you send this doc?

[forest anchor]

Hold on

Sorry, am studying

[white egret]

all good

[white egret]

for the events i think i can get away with just a textfile describing the optimal path, but for the more complex sims i plan to do more involved things

[forest anchor]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uHYbVbUQzFdLbNi0fz3C-WcDOzMQjeoq7SuqDhYKt2A/edit?gid=1382158678#gid=1382158678

Not sure how it works, but I guess it's not too difficult

[tawdry parrot]

I dont like matcha 😭

[amber canyon]

#💬-cells-chat message

Electorus beat me 😁

[white egret]

lol

[amber canyon]

You probably won't like ||redacted|| either.

[forest anchor]

I look at it too much it comes up in Google search right after I type 'Ultimate' lmao

[amber canyon]

Ah. I was using the Discord search.

[white egret]

ah i see, the score here is based on the initial state of the generator, while what im looking for is for continual gameplay

like the finished product will be a path like:

1. buy 2 of gen A
2. buy upgrade A
3. buy 3 of gen B
   etc etc

[forest anchor]

So... counting upgrades too?

[white egret]

yes

[forest anchor]

Uh huh

Interesting

[white egret]

itll be instructions for the "optimal play"

[forest anchor]

Buy Planet Earth first for sure at least

Then Primordial soup

After that... let the imagination begin /j

[white egret]

lol

im trying to tackle events first since theyre simpler

the only things you can do are buying upgrades or generators

(and are only effected by themselves)

[amber canyon]

Anyway, with definitions this seems sensible. But units are t^-2 units (not necessary to be non dimensional, but may not be a good sign).

I'm ot near anything I can use to sanity check.

[white egret]

yeah thats what i was worried about too

i mean an argument can be made that splitting income up isnt valid cause its treated differently? but i dont think that flies

(valid as in makes sense in reality)

[amber canyon]

Could it be considered as 'acceleration'?

[white egret]

its not accelerating anything tho its just a squared freqrency

[amber canyon]

Just tryna think of a physical equivalent 😁

[white egret]

lol yeah

i view income as a velocity mostly

[copper wraith]

fact

[forest anchor]

How did this become "i view income as a velocity mostly" while I was away bruh

[amber canyon]

looks shifty

[tawdry parrot]

not as speed?

[forest anchor]

Speed and velocity isn't the same thing

Forgot what's scalar and what's vector

[white egret]

velocity is scalar iirc

oh hey im wrong!

[amber canyon]

Speed has magnitude. Velocity has direction and magnitude..

[white egret]

oh lmao

oh duh that makes sense

ok so angular acceleration is the only thing there measured in inverse square seconds

oh it just sent me to wrong page for one of them

[copper wraith]

how is this c2s related??

[white egret]

still somewhat

[forest anchor]

Acceleration is measured in inverse square seconds tho??

Overall

[white egret]

no its length/time^2

thats the issue

[white egret]

(radians are dimensionless so i dont think this counts)

[forest anchor]

Eh isn't angular acceleration practically the same

Ah

[white egret]

yeah

[amber canyon]

Only if you're measuring 'spatial-acceleration'. Other things can accelerate.

[white egret]

true

but what is accelerating here

[amber canyon]

I shall ponder. But gotta head for now.

[white egret]

ah ill cya

ive got sleep too

[forest anchor]

Change of production rate

[copper wraith]

these guys loaded

[white egret]

but that'd be c/t^2 (c is currency)

surely the cost of an item matters?

wait does it?

[forest anchor]

It does

Change of production rate/cost would be accelerating then /nsrs

[white egret]

it'd be accounted for with the time part tho, since c=c/t*t

the time itself encodes the cost, since the only way to make currency is with time

if anything, cost and time are just off by multiples of a number (and that number being your income!)

I've got to sleep for real but this was helpful

[copper wraith]

smart

[forest anchor]

Until we meet again

[copper wraith]

have a nice sleep

[white egret]

thx I'll cyall

[quaint phoenix]

that thing in the right corner or buy button is recomendation?

what I should get next

and is it always correct?

[tawdry parrot]

use it as an indication

[copper wraith]

isnt it just ability to purchase that showed item?

actually im stupid

nvm

[cold vigil]

this mollusk guy kinda ahh

[true vigil]

yea

[tawdry parrot]

only 10 objectives?

surely that means this event will be shorter right?

[thin notch]

You're in a call?

[quasi ivy]

do they know

[inner maple]

….

[hollow pelican]

charge your phone bruh

[frank oak]

Hi

[swift heron]

are yall sure the Crystal's only require 21day?
Cause I'm at almost 10 days and it's only about 63x boost

And it says the maximum is 1000x

[steady dune]

~504h

Uh it's 507

Later it's growth is near +0.003* every second

[swift heron]

It says that the maximum is 1000x boost

But I'm not even in the hundreds range

[steady dune]

#💬-cells-chat message see

[frigid adder]

Hello

[fluid delta]

Exponential growth, that's why. It starts out very slow, it's only in the last day or so that the Time Crystals are relevant at all.

[frigid adder]

#💬-beta-chat

[frank oak]

OOPS

SORRY 😭

I THOUGH THIS WAS THAT CHAT

[frank oak]

Btw, do you wanna friend on the app?

[frigid adder]

Sure

[frank oak]

I’ll dm you my username

[hollow pelican]

1 😭

[tawdry parrot]

isnt it kinda unfair im competing with people that have 30 badges in this event

[lofty robin]

Is that not literally the point people grind badges

To get an advantage

[upbeat meteor]

I thought I found a bug that's why I asked

[strange lark]

BIGCUBE lore

[quasi ivy]

honestly i got top 10 in maths aswell where i only had 1 set of badges

[quasi ivy]

it increased and increased compounding so 1 day u get 0.001 a second and the other u get 0.005 a second

it works so that it doubles in about the same time as it did before

[hollow pelican]

the most useful code known to mankind

[fluid delta]

If you aren't willing to go hard when it comes to getting Top 10, when you only have a few (or no) badges for an event, it's best to just start day 1, focus on getting the badges, and ignoring rank. When you've done, say, 4 runs of an event (so, 120% bonus), then maybe try for Top 10.. you won't need to go nearly as hard to do well in it

[tawdry parrot]

Its possible to get top 10 I was like 15 last event

[fluid delta]

I agree, it's possible.. that's why I said "willing to go hard"

[tawdry parrot]

but starting day 1, id rather start late and give it a shot

[fluid delta]

yeah, starting day 1 is a.. nonstarter. Heh

[tawdry parrot]

top 25 is pretty much guranteed with a single run if you start late enough

[polar viper]

Tea event is strange. You cant tap for tea itself, so clicking/nanobots are just timewaste. Its the most chill event i ever had
Or i miss something.

Seems like people are just non competing too. Im top 10 without any effort this event with 0 badges. Or lucky division

[amber canyon]

Aye, 25 not too hard. But top 10 ...

[amber canyon]

Not started it yet, but can't you tap in the garden for tea cups?

[inner maple]

I think so.

[polar viper]

No tea only leafs

Or wait. In the garden?

[fluid delta]

idk about the garden, didn't think to try there, but yeah, not in the event part itself. annoying. an obvious bug

[polar viper]

Lol there its doable

Why would i leave the tech tree

[amber canyon]

Idk. To admire the garden? To make the teapot moo?

[polar viper]

Its also not on the teapot. Only the edges of the garden

[amber canyon]

Hmm. So teapots don't moo. Fair enough.

[polar viper]

I play without sound

Idk if it does funny business

[amber canyon]

Same. Cos ads.

[frigid adder]

🧛 🦑

[amber canyon]

(In another event there is a ||mooing thing||. In case you think I'm going mad).

[polar viper]

You probably mean cheese

[amber canyon]

Not subtle was I. Lol.

[final spindle]

did they remove all of the beyond trophies except pioneer 10

[polar viper]

Look at logits

Wait a second

Pioneer 10 is logits

You should see the others there

[amber canyon]

I think you can only see them when you're in Beyond though?

[polar viper]

Its still in primary, but gotta scroll to the abyss

(far down)

[amber canyon]

Huh. Has that changed? I coulda sworn I could only see one of them outside of Beyond before.

Nvm.

[polar viper]

Its like looking behind your couch. You never scroll that far down

[maiden spear]

Upgrades or Modules are better to prioritize with Darwin bits?

[frigid adder]

I'd say Modules

[amber canyon]

Depends where your game is at and what you're prioritising.

But the cheap Upgrade stages are very cheap.

Otoh if you have the full amount for a module, also worth It (if it boosts something relevant).

[maiden spear]

My augments are 70-100/each upgrades are 18

I’ve gotten all the modules outside of the new Mu one

[amber canyon]

Augments are basically the same as a few of the Entropy Boost or Idea Boost Upgrades. Just with pretty models.

[sullen flower]

idk if this is like a newgen question but should i buy this

[frigid adder]

It progresses the game so ye

[sullen flower]

what does it do

[frigid adder]

Js make sure to buy it while it's glitching out

[sullen flower]

while it’s what

[frigid adder]

Glitching

[amber canyon]

You can eyeball how much it'd cost to buy the Upgrades that have the same effect as what you care about from Mu. Whichever is cheapest (Upgrades or Mu) buy that.

[sullen flower]

can you elaborate on that

[frank oak]

We have the same singularity time :D

[sullen flower]

so if you buy that

that pops up

[polar viper]

Just buy it

Join us in cybernet

[amber canyon]

Join us

[sullen flower]

ser

er

[amber canyon]

Hopefully reiniciando will fix it 🙂

[polar viper]

Current beta looks still unpolished. So at least like 2 more weeks

Plenty of time to finish my 21d run

[tawdry parrot]

its interesting to see so many ppl from around the world

[amber canyon]

Maybe a 2nd 21day run ...

[polar viper]

Second breakfast i doubt. dont want to let my PC run 24/7
Also nothing worth to buy anymore after this one.

[amber canyon]

You're never gonna catch up to Sepheria with an attitude like that!

(Not that that's your goal)

[polar viper]

Impossible anyways. I will always be behind in event badges which means in every department of production

[tawdry parrot]

21 days is like 5 events?

[polar viper]

I got 50 badges. Other people Like 800

[frigid adder]

6 or 7 events

[amber canyon]

6. 2 events a week.

[amber canyon]

Not many have 800+ though. As a proportion of players.

[polar viper]

Relatively i will catch up too. I can always talk it sweet
Just need to play 10 years.
Then people have like 3000 badges and i 2200.
Relatively not a big difference anymore

(numbers are pulled out of my ass. Dont quote me)

[frigid adder]

"Then people have like 3000 badges and i 2200." –Seyz

[amber canyon]

My target is to get 50% of the badges and finish my numerology..

Think I need ~100 more?

[polar viper]

At which point the bonus for the events softcaps?

From badges

[amber canyon]

Starts tailing off at 200%. By 300% v noticeable.

[fluid delta]

Heh, noone not Beta probably can. Or that didn't use the same exploit I did. RL84 now. All things on the Metabit part of the RE tree bought, or will be in a few minutes.

[polar viper]

So only 7 Runs each is the goal only a few years i guess

[amber canyon]

Congrats!

[tall mirage]

Damn RL84 crazy

isn't that like close to e350

[fluid delta]

Thanks! But most of that is just me being lucky discovering an exploit by total accident, then using it.

E360, actually

[tall mirage]

Damn crazy, isn't ur entropy atleast e190/s then

[amber canyon]

You may have accidentally discovered it, but I saw you working hard to keep ahead.

Congrats are in order imo 🙂.

[fluid delta]

Thanks then!! 🙂 .. yes, it did take quite a bit of work. And lots of reboots even before that, up to 969 now.

[fluid delta]

Not sure yet, just finishing up a halfway-done empty sim run

[tall mirage]

Ig, e360 means u got idea/s + entropy/s at e350/s

[polar viper]

I doubt

He said exploit

[frigid adder]

https://tenor.com/view/neuron-activation-neuron-gif-1455356329209493514

[tall mirage]

the exploit he means is the one we've all been using lul

[fluid delta]

E183 for Entropy, when I don't have the autoclicker going, at a mid-point empty sim run, mind you

[tall mirage]

Damn, still crazy numbers

[fluid delta]

No.. the exploit I used (not currently) isn't one that is known, as far as I know.

[tall mirage]

Oh nvm then lol

[fluid delta]

But ofc am using Empty Sim Run as well, which itself is an exploit, yeah, using that too

[polar viper]

Feature

Its a feature

[lone rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/new-gingus-gingus-steej-gif-25484187

[amber canyon]

Pretty sure Sepheria discovered another exploit. Doesn't mean they didn't work hard - and I saw them working hard. At the very least until they found that one (whatever it is).

[fluid delta]

Oh, and for those that care, the node that comes off Entropy Booster XI is || one that gives 5 research chips || as I kinda expected it would.

[amber canyon]

So EB XI is the last one of those atm?

[fluid delta]

Yes, that's right

Ok, going to start another empty sim run now, I imagine I'll cash it out after the next update drops

[frank oak]

IM DYING THERES AN ACHIEVEMENT CALLED “Thick Thighs Save Lives”

😭

[sullen flower]

WHAT

[frank oak]

YEAH

ITS IN MESOZOIC VALLEY 😭

[amber canyon]

I ranked a Beyond ||Great Attractor|| trait. Only 3 months now till I can buy another one. Whoop.

[frigid adder]

||75 T-Rexs||

[inner maple]

Found it lol

[frank oak]

Anyone else remember when you got a time estimate for how long it would take to get to the next primary simulation level?

I miss that

It let me plan ahead

[lone bronze]

I finally got galactic nucleus

[fluid delta]

You still can figure it out, though. Assuming you aren't doing an empty sim run, you can look at the amount of XP you get per second, and the amount of XP you have, and the amount you need for the next level.. and with that, do a little very easy math.

.. ofc if you can see the blue circle visibly lengthening as you watch, the math isn't really all that necessary 🙂

[lofty galleon]

I am not dead

[surreal imp]

Are we still at 21 days after the update?

[fluid delta]

I think so

[surreal imp]

Allright, thanks. 16 days to find out

[frank oak]

im not good at that math 😭

Its in E(insert number here)

[fluid delta]

It's very basic math. If you can do multiplication or division, you can do it, easy.

[frank oak]

Still, I’d rather not have to solve it myself

I just liked the time estimate because it was helpful

[fluid delta]

Well.. you do. It's not hard to eyeball it, however.

[frank oak]

I have difficulty solving problems like this

I’d rather see all the zeroes at once

But that doesn’t work here

Which is why the time estimate was helpful for me

[fluid delta]

1 difference in E values: less than a minute. 2 difference: a couple minutes. 3 difference: 20ish minutes. 4 difference: a few hours. 5 difference: a few days. 6+ difference: you're staying where you are for now.

[frank oak]

You don’t have to be rude

I was just saying its helpful

And that I miss it

[fluid delta]

I'm not being rude, I'm just trying to be helpful, and you did say you had difficulty with the math. Now you don't have to do any math.

[frank oak]

The way you phrased it felt rude /gen /nm

You said “Easy.” at the end

[fluid delta]

Well, I'm sorry you took it that way.

[frank oak]

.

[fluid delta]

Fixed. Sorry. I meant "Easy" in the sense of being able to read what's there, not in that the math was whatever it was for you

[frank oak]

You’re good

[hallow leaf]

I'm watching figure skating at the Olympics and they're skating to bolero and my head jerked up thinking "cells?"

[wanton ermine]

Hello, I have a question regarding the 21d start: Why should I not buy anything for 21d instead of just playing the game "normally" (buying nodes and generators) for 21d and then reboot?

[woven marsh]

beacauser the first time the meqta bits fill p they require less i think,and when you have the 21 day multiplayer you use the low requirments to get A LOT of stuff

i just think it works like this

like 60%

[fluid delta]

bc the multipliers on the time nodes are (basically) used at the point when you buy a generator. If you do a normal run and let that do it's thing for 21 days, then almost all of the generators you buy will be at a very low multiplier when talking about the Time nodes specifically.. whereas if you don't buy any generators until the 21d3h elapses, all of them will be at the capped multipliers... so, a huge difference in entropy, ideas, metabits, knowledge... literally millions of times better if you have all the Time nodes.

[wanton ermine]

interesting, I thought the metabit/knowledge production was based on your entropy/idea income

[fluid delta]

It is. I didn't say how many millions 🙂

[wanton ermine]

Damn what a way to play a game, I just bought Metabit Time Crystal II and will try out not doing anything for 21d

thx guys

[fluid delta]

Put it this way: the difference between 0 min and 21d3h where it caps, is the product of all the capped Time node multipliers. For Entropy, that's 2.5E16 times. E21 for ideas.

E6 of that happens at about or on day 21, when the Time Crystals cap

[amber canyon]

It works best when you haven't got anything hugely useful to buy in the reality engine.

[fluid delta]

That too. I always do quick sim reboots to get the "easy"/cheap reality engine nodes first, when an update drops.

Ofc, this may change in future updates. Kinda suspect it will, bc 21 day "empty sim run" strategy is so immensely superior.

Now, if they changed that 2.5E16 to, say, 100.. that would make quick sim reboots superior again. If it was 1000 then.. it wouldn't be. Somewhere in-between... well.... "it depends", I guess, and I would guess be what they'd aim for.. though I guess it also depends on how much they want people to do the idle thing in Primary. Or I guess they could also mess with the cap times.. one week could be good. Lots of ways they could finesse the math here, if they don't want to get rid of the time nodes altogether.

[quasi ivy]

never thought i could reach first place on the tea event

[amber canyon]

I think they want to encourage medium runs atm, based on things they've said. D'know how they feel about empty runs.

[amber canyon]

You're exactly 1 CL ahead of me.

[quasi ivy]

oh lmao

when did you start

[amber canyon]

2 hours ago 🙂. You?

[quasi ivy]

i started like 5/6 ago

[amber canyon]

You're a bit faster than me then. 🙂

[quasi ivy]

actually where im at rn is like exactly where i was 1 hour into the event but on the first sim level

[amber canyon]

Def faster then!

[frigid adder]

How much xp do u have?

[quasi ivy]

rn?

lemme check

5161

[frigid adder]

I have 5467 but bc I'm in div 21, I'm only 77

[quasi ivy]

ah

u should start later more often it really buffs ur rankings

[swift heron]

Ok now hold on I know I've talked about this before but now after knowing that they made it exponentially increase there is no way the devs didnt intend for the empty sim strat to exist
They made it increase exponentially which means they intended for the method to be "waiting till the last few days so the time crystal maxes out" AND they made it have such a huge cap
Like maybe they didnt intend for it to be this OP but they sure did intend for the empty sim run strat

[amber canyon]

They intended to give players who prefer longer runs a valid way of playing.

Don't think they planned the empty part though.

[swift heron]

Wdym by longer runs
Hold on how expensive was the first time crystal for metabit

[amber canyon]

They didn't want players to have to reboot every couple of days if they wanted to play efficiently.

1st one? Maybe 3000?

[tall laurel]

Chat

I'm in Beyond EP21

Lets goooo

[quasi ivy]

noice

[fluid delta]

Or have to reboot every 10 minutes. Or 5 minutes. Certainly they didn't mean a 2.5E16 or 2.5E21 difference, that's insanely huge.. or if they did mean it, they'll show it by NOT nerfing it, next update.

[tall laurel]

Lets be real

Anyone already did that change date bug

And I'm one of them

[quasi ivy]

huh..?

[tall laurel]

I'm very impatient

😭

[quasi ivy]

all the people who arent on the cheater lb didnt 😭

[fluid delta]

Idk about any date change bug, but they did NOT fix the 2x time progress for empty sim strat, not in Live at least, I can't speak for beta

[tall laurel]

Really?

[amber canyon]

I didn't do the date change thing.

[tall laurel]

Some people do

I and don't blame they

[quasi ivy]

if theres any time abnormality the game penalizes you

[fluid delta]

... and the leaderboard remains broken, in Live

[quasi ivy]

by putting u on the cheater lb

[quasi ivy]

yeah we will see someday

if it gets improved

[tall laurel]

I kinda don't care about lb lol

[fluid delta]

It's oblivious to the 2x time node progress

[tall laurel]

I mostly care about gamin

[quasi ivy]

were not talking about that were talking about time changing

[tall laurel]

Almost some games have it

[fluid delta]

the discussion here had nothing to do about time changing

[quasi ivy]

^^

[amber canyon]

I think I saw someone say that in beta it ||was fixed in Meso and Beyond on steam, but not events||.

[fluid delta]

hmm, || events || would be an obvious gap. As you know.

[amber canyon]

For me, changing the date stops it being a game.

[quasi ivy]

yeah

the difficulty makes the game fun

[tall laurel]

For me it doesn't for some reason

I like difficulty games

[fluid delta]

Yeah, idk why Crimison brought that up.

[tall laurel]

But this type just bores me in a sec

[tall laurel]

Then forget it

[quasi ivy]

they just started a new topic thats what happend

nothing too strange

[fluid delta]

.. forget what? grin

[tall laurel]

Just forget it

Talk anything else

🙏

Did u pray?

[quasi ivy]

i lowkey think the diamond achievement for mollusks is possible in live game

[tall laurel]

Yea

It is

Just time consuming

[fluid delta]

It was the "Let's be real, anyone already did that.." bit that made it seem like an intended continuation. That's why I commented.

[quasi ivy]

yeah as expected

im doing my last non 21 day topic

[fluid delta]

Yes, on a 21 day run myself, started it today.

[tall laurel]

Some times I forgot discord exists

[quasi ivy]

fair

im gonna like wait till i get 2 oc mettabits and then do a 21 day run

[tall laurel]

I gtg

16%

Bruh

😭🙏

[fluid delta]

I never do

.. and Cells is deterministic, no luck involved, so no need to "pray" in that sense either 🙂

[quasi ivy]

except for getting into the right divission in explorations and getting the right yellow thingies

[fluid delta]

Fair

There is luck in that, to be sure

[quasi ivy]

its always been cat event that had me getting into a divission with so many tryhards 😭

idk why its always cats

[amber canyon]

On my spare device, with a file I copied over today (8 days into a run) my file has ~400 Molluscs. I haven't bought VNN yet.

[quasi ivy]

my main got at around 400 aswell and i still got atleast 3 traits for molusks to get and only 2 days into my current run

[fluid delta]

Oh yeah, thanks for the reminder. Got the 500 achieves for Mollusks and Amphib, but not 1000. So that's going to be out of reach for now. Wish I'd thought to pay attention to how close I got, when I cashed in my half-done empty sim run though.

[tawdry parrot]

ive been grinding the tea event all day

im at #11

but I havent drank any tea yet, which means I haven't put to practise what I learned

[fluid delta]

.. I thought it was Coffee you're supposed to grind, not Tea? On account of it being a bean that you gri...... nevermind, I'll show myself out. grins

[tawdry parrot]

I avoid caffeine so I'm limited as to what teas I can drink

[fluid delta]

Indeed. Most tea has caffeine. I hope you can still have Chocolate? I avoid caffeine too.

[quasi ivy]

maybe drinking tea irl boosts ur progress who knows

[tawdry parrot]

Im not a sweet tooth but chocolate is fine

[tawdry parrot]

bro is at 5k science points

what place are u?

[fluid delta]

it does not.. I've been drinking chocolate, not tea, during my progress!

[quasi ivy]

i drank too much tea

[amber canyon]

Hmm. Now I fancy some hot chocolate.

[tawdry parrot]

I was already hungry, staph...

[quasi ivy]

i just send a screenie of my place, im first rn

[quasi ivy]

if only the chocolate event was on...

[tawdry parrot]

I think your internet is lagging

[quasi ivy]

ah yes my fav c2s event: explore chocolate

[tawdry parrot]

they got an event for everything

[quasi ivy]

i send it like 10 mins ago

[tawdry parrot]

we need a pirate themed event 👀 with sharks 👀

[quasi ivy]

here

[tawdry parrot]

maybe on the next talk like a pirate day 👁️

[quasi ivy]

yar har har

[fluid delta]

sadly, there is no Chocolate event... unless I'm totally spacing on it rn

[tawdry parrot]

how are u at 185% u said u had 130% boost

nvrmind

[quasi ivy]

i think if they add an event, we gonna get something chemistry related cuz we quite litterally got litterally nothing related to chemistry ingame rn except for references in traits but never really going into it in depth

[quasi ivy]

xd

😮

[amber canyon]

I think chemistry could be fun though, but prob don't get your hopes up.

[quasi ivy]

yeah i wont

id be suprised if theyd add any new events soon anyway

[fluid delta]

My prediction is that they'll do Chemistry in the form of a "Periodic Table" branch of the game, as a new thing once Beyond is complete. The devs expressed considerable interest and mentioned when they were last here that... well, they didn't say anything quotable, but... yeah. So, it's a possibility!

[amber canyon]

Yeah, they were talking in beta chat the other day and said their focus is on ||primary (and Beyond)||.

[quasi ivy]

yeah and maybe go into quarks, neutrons, protons, electrons and stuff first to build ur first hydrogen atom (like up and down quark, then proton, then hydrogen as generater, then neutron, and then deutrium

or like make the periodic system one generator so the event is unique cuz it only got 1 generator

who knows

[tawdry parrot]

crime event 😭

[frank oak]

Omg I’d love that

It could go downwards from the currently existing amino acids

Into different types of molecules

Then atoms

Then protons, electrons, neutrons, etc

Then quarks and neutrinos

Then down to quantum level and the planck length

Or maybe we could have another permanent simulation

Like “Size Simulator” or something

It could go up to the observable universe and down to the planck length

[woven marsh]

Hello

[forest anchor]

Greetings

[celest owl]

can you post the last part after discord/gg - i can still join

[frigid adder]

Hello

[inner maple]

Hi

[frigid adder]

Hey

[forest anchor]

Greetings

[inner maple]

How’s it going?

[frigid adder]

Good

[gray tapir]

Guys

[frigid adder]

What?

[white egret]

they sent another message but its now deleted

[warm umbra]

im 1vg away from getting to ep 18 beyond

[frigid adder]

My subscription 4 c2s js ran out

https://tenor.com/view/idfk-gif-3761179052566277881

[warm umbra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1390855132190740512.webp?size=48&animated=true&name=BAI_deadlaugh&lossless=true

[white egret]

7 billions dollars to CL

[gray tapir]

Guys

I wanna redownload Alpha

[frigid adder]

#💬-beta-chat

[gray tapir]

I did chat lol

[pseudo cliff]

Wait why do I have 10 million mutagen all of a sudden? I had 300k until a few days ago

[unkempt fern]

How do I get my Google play save onto my steam if possible

[pseudo cliff]

Or is that something for when you reach max prestige?

[unkempt fern]

I'm not tryna have 2 saves

An my play save is better

[sullen flower]

what’s the best way to get metabits

do I just get one vigintillion primordial power

[rustic nebula]

If there were to be a Plants extension to the main sim, would you guys want some sort of extra currency, upgrade feature, or reality engine branch?

[unkempt fern]

Nvm

[unkempt fern]

Branch from the eukarytoe and like use entropy or sum

Uh

Maybe 30 of the new level up things

The blue one

Idk what it's called its all new to me

[frank oak]

All 3

[outer stag]

what to expect in division 666 at events

happymod kids
scripters
bug abusers
time travelers (people whose change time)
unfortunate users who were innocent

[outer stag]

branch from chloroplasts

[warm umbra]

is celestial body speed good

are the rest of the bodies celestial

[rose cloak]

from my past progress on a other device where i got to episode 26 (its broken now) celestial bodies are series one

if i can recall i think series 2 objects are called interstellar objects

it helps you get back where you left off from the last episode pretty much

[desert flax]

not quite

s2 objects are both interstellar and galaxy

[rose cloak]

oh right

i never really cared about the name much

[desert flax]

like s1 isn't just the main solar system, you have kuiper belt + sedna/planet x

[rose cloak]

i know

i forgot the object before the oort cloud what was it again

[warm umbra]

hills cloud

[rose cloak]

ah right

[frigid adder]

Y did Interstellar Medium get its own episode?

[desert flax]

E16

right

inter medium is E16

[frigid adder]

Didn't Hills Cloud get its own episode?

I'ma check

[warm umbra]

ye

it did

actally

no

NO

its with oort cloud in 15

[frigid adder]

Nah

[desert flax]

wait everything is so disconnected

[outer stag]

if vulture did get released, then where's eagle?

[dry cairn]

I assume coming in a future update

[frigid adder]

Somewhere 🖋️ 🔥

[rose cloak]

hey what episode do you get oort cloud zoom

[warm umbra]

dude. 15

no offence

[rose cloak]

i have barely any memory of anything past ep 15

[warm umbra]

oh uhh

yeah hold on

ep 15 : oort cloud x hills cloud
ep 16 : interstellar medium
ep 17 : alpha centauri solar system

then phase 2

i havent done phase 2 yet

[rose cloak]

you want some spoilers?
-# not recommended

[warm umbra]

well i watched the entire neptunian guy series

so

sure

[rose cloak]

yeah so we render exoplanets now

i think stardust goes up to the tgs

even more than atom count in the universe

thats all i remember

oh and theres more constellations for you to finish ✌️

[warm umbra]

list

them

all

frfr

[rose cloak]

sorry cant i could if i was in my space nerd era at 10

[warm umbra]

insane

[frigid adder]

List what?

Heh... I could

[warm umbra]

es

yes

please

[frigid adder]

What do I list?

[warm umbra]

everything in phase 2

[unkempt heron]

Liszt? I dont think theres any liszt in the soundtrack

[warm umbra]

additions

let aideny cook

[white egret]

sorry twin 😔

[warm umbra]

?

[frigid adder]

Shoot

[white egret]

oh i just said i think a thread would be better

yk for space n such

[frigid adder]

There r no threads

[white egret]

oh cant make threads here whattt

[frigid adder]

Oh well

[white egret]

damn mb

[frigid adder]

e18
||Barnard's Star||
||Tau Ceti||
||Sirius||

e19
||Polaris||
||Rigel||
||Arcturus||
||Van Maanen's Star||

e20
||Fomalhaut's Ring||
||WASP-12b||
||Awohali||
||Kepler-70b||
||Janssen||

e21
||Enaiposha||
||Kepler-186f||
||TRAPPIST-1 System||

e22
||Helix Nebula||
||Cat's Eye Nebula||
||Hourglass Nebula||

e23
||Crab Nebula||
||Crab Pulsar||
||Carina Nebula||
||Cygnus X-1||

e24
||Eagle Nebula||
||Pillars of Creation||
||Orion Nebula||
||Horsehead Nebula||

e25
||Orion Spur||
||Perseus Arm||
||Omega Centauri||
||Galactic Bulge||

e26
||Galactic Nucleus||
||Sagittarius A*||

e27
||Milky Way Galaxy||
||Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy||
||Large Magellanic Cloud||
||Triangulum Galaxy||
||Andromeda Galaxy||

e28
||Virgo Supercluster||
||Centaurus A Group||
||Virgo Cluster||
||Messier 87 Galaxy||
||Quasar 3C 273||

e29 (current episode)
||Laniakea||
||Local Void||
||The Great Attractor||

Done

[warm umbra]

thx

[jolly mango]

#ALLHAILTHECLAM

[hollow pelican]

#BLOODYBELLYCOMBJELLY