💬-cells-chat

[gusty quest]

yeah big squid got big nerfed

😔

you can check the description of the nodes themselves, but i think the ratio of logits to simulation speed they give stays the same now

i sadly cant retroactively see the prices but iirc 50 logits = 0.1 increase

however, the volcano in the mezo valley is absolutely worth it

unless theyve changed the price

[forest anchor]

I don't think they have

[gusty quest]

yeah then i would go volcano -> whatever you want

[jaunty kiln]

what about spending darwinium? don't spend on main sim and wait til higher ranks in meso/beyond?

[hollow pelican]

the opposite

[forest anchor]

Modules are probably the best, then darwinium upgrades

Definitely spend them on primary simulation

[gusty quest]

yesnt, the first few upgrades (from like 1-3 darw) are so so worth it

even better than modules

[forest anchor]

Are you fr? I've been avoiding purchasing them

[gusty quest]

like only the first 5 levels

[tawdry parrot]

do they stack multiplicatively?

to others

[gusty quest]

after that the return for darw drops off

[gusty quest]

to other upgrades yes

but not to itself

[tawdry parrot]

that makes sense

[forest anchor]

Ah alright thanks for that

[gusty quest]

these cost 15 each and give a solid 50% boost in several stages

the first darw spent will give you 10% for 1

its crazy good

[past loom]

Yo

What happen

[tawdry parrot]

this event is slow as hell

[sullen jolt]

It’s @past loom

[sharp gate]

Is there a video on the easiest best technique to pick up golden asteroids?

[past loom]

Yes?

[polar viper]

Indeed. Especially the start feels slow.

[sullen jolt]

They found you

[sullen jolt]

if anyone sees @past loom please tell him to pay me back

[past loom]

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[hollow pelican]

literally CMBR chatting here

[sullen jolt]

That’s my pfp you know ( for the update )

[past loom]

What

[sullen jolt]

You know the beyond update

[past loom]

Oh cosmic medium something idl

Idk*

Ye ik the beyond btw

OHHH YE

Cosmic medium background radiation

I think

I forgor I havent touched the game in ages

[chrome isle]

When is the mollusk update coming out?

[forest anchor]

Greetings Quack

[chrome isle]

Isn't today?

[forest anchor]

In the past

[sullen jolt]

It’s out(android)

[chrome isle]

Ok

Im on android

[past loom]

https://tenor.com/view/rob-chapman-greetings-gif-8185793

[chrome isle]

But its not loading

[sullen jolt]

Bug found

[chrome isle]

Wdym

[lone bronze]

Mollusk

[past loom]

Did u update the game from google play store

[chrome isle]

Oh

No

[past loom]

Xd

[sullen jolt]

Then you need to

[past loom]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-gif-9403556598434283568

Feels satisfying to solve a problem straigh away

[lone bronze]

How much does a mollusk cost

[sullen jolt]

10 Qag

[lone bronze]

so 1e124?

[sullen jolt]

Yes

[lone bronze]

that's the stardust I have in the beyond 😭

[lone bronze]

but ok

I'm very close to unlocking amphibians, and I heard they make quite a lot of entropy

[polar viper]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-quack-running-run-duckling-gif-17120760958434934628

[past loom]

https://tenor.com/view/ive-been-summoned-berry-mint-gif-26570751

[polar viper]

He said your number Qag

[sullen jolt]

It’s Quadragintillion

[lunar osprey]

It's morning time. Time to rise and grind.

[tawdry parrot]

💀

[polar viper]

u missspelled quack

[gloomy jacinth]

It's evening time. Time to ... Wait

[magic lichen]

what the heck is that distance and what the word for kpc

[rain rain]

kiloparsec?

[wary bramble]

hello everyone, regarding the 21 days strat, is it still worth it if I only have one metabit/knowledge time crystal? I'm at research lvl 31 atm, and wouldn't mind waiting 21 days

[cyan jungle]

how to get this?

[gusty quest]

uh idk, i only know that when you open up the garden around the solar system and just tilt the camera around a bit after like 10 seconds one appears

[gusty quest]

doesnt exist yet

[gusty quest]

hard to say, i would think its less efficient than doing multiple shorter runs

you could do shorter empty sims though

for like a week or something

that would still be more efficient than playing regularly for a week

[gusty quest]

kiloparsec, i would assume

[gloomy jacinth]

For 21 days ... I just discovered that I only have time crystal I... Don't know the cap then

And it's weird they call It ChronoCrystal in my language pfff

Time crystal II was already there before mollusks ?

[wary bramble]

I've been doing shorter runs overnight (8-10h), and I do notice a slight improvement. I'll try leaving it for a few days or a week to feel it out before committing to the 21 days. Thanks!

[gusty quest]

for ideas yes, for entropy no

but the cap is 21 days for all crystals though

its just the question whether thats worth it or not

[gloomy jacinth]

Yeah and I have idea time crystal II

So it's worth to wait even with the update

[gusty quest]

yeah

i think its a pretty late game node as of now

[gloomy jacinth]

Oh ok I didn't see that

So it's why I don't have it 😅

For mollusk I am already at level 71, so at least I now I can unlock first node

[loud loom]

Can't believe RR was 4 months ago

[gloomy jacinth]

And now the earth is gold

[loud loom]

Is it for all new players?

[gloomy jacinth]

No

[loud loom]

Or just the ones that played before

Oh

[gloomy jacinth]

It seems an achievement for unlocking all nodes before reboot

[loud loom]

Neutrino expansion my beloved

[gloomy jacinth]

Oh yeah I'm late to understand tonight, I see now that crystals are all 1000 max

And that you need to use log to calculate the time

10 days is x67/1000

[magic lichen]

will I ever get a black hole in beyond or nope?

[tawdry parrot]

I went to the gym today 💪

[gloomy jacinth]

Now time to make your brain training

And don't forget your heart

[tawdry parrot]

oh heck yeah

[gloomy jacinth]

I didn't start that event... Yet

Blue globul red globul. It's the flow

[gray yew]

mhm

I find it somehow symbolic/nice that the first and last nodes of this event are ||right next to each other.||

[gloomy jacinth]

Blood cells*

[gray yew]

close enough

[gloomy jacinth]

The cycle is done

[tawdry parrot]

how are u a brain

[round plaza]

How can I do this with an image to not spoil?

[gray yew]

no
the cycle continues

[gray yew]

You can unlock it in your player profile, if you have enough logits. Or darwinium.

[gray yew]

When you paste an image into the chat bar, there should be a little icon that looks like an eye. Click on it, and it should let you cover the image (or "spoiler" the image).

[round plaza]

Oh thanks

Isn't this prize in beyond a lot higher than some days ago

Now I feel almost impossible to buy one

[magic lichen]

pls use scientific numbers its hard to know what that is

[rain rain]

yes

[round plaza]

And why is that?

[gloomy jacinth]

"||"

|||

||||||

[tall mirage]

Oh it's truly impossible when u reach rank 7

[magic lichen]

how much you get per second?

[round plaza]

Yeah but I just want the rank 6 achievement

[tall mirage]

shouldn't be too long then

[round plaza]

1,6 E157

[magic lichen]

damn I think its better if you get to another mode for 5 minute and come back

[round plaza]

Wait what?

[magic lichen]

you get more on offline and you can get 2x when you come back

try it you will see

[round plaza]

Oh yeah, I do that everyday but I feel I am still to far

Idk but I feel a few days ago It was less

[magic lichen]

yea active grinding isnt good

[round plaza]

I'll continue but I don't know how much is it going to last

[gloomy jacinth]

Yeah finally it's better when it continues

[gray yew]

oh yeah
thats for spoilering text

[gray yew]

tho it looks like you figured it out
hooray
/positive

[gloomy jacinth]

I tried to find the correct markdown to show it correctly

But I don't know

||

Ha

I found it

||||||

Mmm

Lol

\

||

[tawdry parrot]

cool

[gray yew]

||Put the two lines around the bits of text, like this.||

[gray yew]

inorite

[gloomy jacinth]

I know, it's not what I wanted to do

[gray yew]

k mb

[gloomy jacinth]

'||'

I just tried to show || in spoiler tags on mobile

But I can't click on a small spoiler

[gray yew]

k

[gloomy jacinth]

So I don't even know what it was

And strangely using \ works for just showing || but just typing || also works

Lol

[gray yew]

i see

[gloomy jacinth]

It's weird.

[gray yew]

i see

[gloomy jacinth]

Okay.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gray yew]

yes

[gloomy jacinth]

I need that emoji often, and it's just //

Pfff

[gray yew]

k

[gloomy jacinth]

Yeah.

[fluid delta]

That's only true for Events. Everything else, you get more if you stay in Primary/Meso/Beyond and not leave

(unless the balancing changed in the last few months, and I didn't notice.. as far as I know, it hasn't)

[amber canyon]

I thought I was getting less if I stayed in Beyond compared to if I went to another sim, but I didn't bother measuring it. This was before the Molluscs update. Impossible to tell now, as Beyond has been needed so hard.

[inner tapir]

i just did another reset to run another 21 day empty sim (hopefully accelerated by leaving it running inside of meso for ~12 days). nearly lvl 75 and have purchased almost all RE nodes at this point. hoping that by 2/23, I'll be on top of the world 😄

my last empty reset (when finally began to play after 21d counter) was insane with how fast and how far i advanced

[amber canyon]

You'll be the big cheese!

I started a run yesterday. I got a lot, but not all of the Molluscs update when cashing in the crystal gains. Let's see what happens in a few weeks.

[inner tapir]

i was nearly able to unlock octopus but decided to just start a new empty sim

probably would have unlocked it tomorrow but my growth for RE upgrades became stagnant so i figured let's do another big one

[clear zenith]

I recently unlocked the Parallel Evolution trait in Mesozoic Valley. Does anyone know what exactly makes a dino a parallel evolution dino? I can guess from the trait description but I'm not 100% sure

[fluid delta]

Congrats!! I'm already.. well.. I'm past that point, but that was by going "all in" on making use of bug(s) in Live. I don't count mine a Legit run, which would be not even using Empty Sim strat (which is itself a bug). But.. no regrets 🙂

[tawdry parrot]

Is it better to be offline or online in events if u arent autoclicking while online?

and u also dont have the pass

[fluid delta]

If you are on PC and don't have access to mobile for the game to watch ads to get the 4x ad bonus for free, then just stay in the Event. You won't progress as fast, but you won't be paying darwinium to go faster, either.

[crude latch]

Does mean there’s only 3 animals left for me to discover? If so dang I hope not :c

[slim juniper]

yeah it looks like you need neoaves, frogs and probably mollusks

[fluid delta]

Yes, that’s right

(ofc there will be more added with upcoming updates)

[crude latch]

Aww man dang I hope they add more soon I love getting new animals

I like the mollusk update that seems cool

[fluid delta]

Mollusk is the most recent one, yeah

[crude latch]

did they say when beyond episode 30 might come out

and when it does do you think it’ll have prestige like dinosaur one

[fluid delta]

it is in beta testing rn. as to when, I would guess in a month or so.

it will have Prestige, but that won’t be soon.

[amber canyon]

Just noticed the scallop animation is quite funny in the ocean garden.

[quasi ivy]

neoves too

[slim juniper]

i accidentaly deleted neoves, sorry

[quasi ivy]

dw

[fluid delta]

There is, oddly, a NeoAves node unlock at || 74 ||

[honest sphinx]

Does anyone know what Reboot Automation is gonna be

[amber canyon]

A bit of info in the beta patch notes - #🧾-beta-patch-notes message

[honest sphinx]

Thanks

[tawdry parrot]

I have 4x using ads on my phone

It's just that I cant autoclick while using my pc for somehing else

so I was wondering if I should keep the game running or close

[fluid delta]

For events, you don't need autoclick. Ideal will be to exit the event and go back into it roughly every 5 minutes (and watching the ad for the bonus, each time).. it's what I do when I'm trying to get a Event done as fast as possible.

(there's no difference to the game if you quit the game, or just go into a different part of the game, like Beyond)

[tawdry parrot]

issue is im on pc without pass

but as u said both is same speed

so ill keep it closed until I remember about it, then I get a dopamine spike

[crude latch]

Honestly sometimes it feels like there is times where clicking really fast is worth it if you just got a big upgrade that allows you to get one or two other upgrades with just fast clicking for 2-3 minutes at most, and then do the offline stuff again.

Though in primary simulation fast clicking is way more worth it at many points cause of the entropy tap / idea tap increase and reality engine tap upgrades

[fluid delta]

Yeah, an autoclicker in Primary is very beneficial, for sure.. and it's what makes spam rebooting a reasonable thing to do. For events, I've tried it both ways, I found that for me at least, it's just less hassle to go into and out of events every 5 minutes and not use an autoclicker at all.

[lofty galleon]

Hello chat

[chilly walrus]

hello

[lofty galleon]

frog

[sick scroll]

forg

[round plaza]

For the people that have this at rank 6 in beyond, how many time did it take you?

It's from beyond 29

[inner tapir]

im closing in on lvl 8

it's taken a long time

[round plaza]

Because it is terrible and I just need 11 more

[inner tapir]

lol im at 287/300

it's a brutal grind

[round plaza]

How many time do you think it is going to take me, considering I have E157 p/s

[inner tapir]

all depends on how active you are with research and claiming free white stars to hopefully upgrade its accessory upgrades

[fluid delta]

Note that the balance was recently changed for Great Attractor, it is now way more expensive.
(* fixed)

[gray yew]

2-3 days.

[round plaza]

I knew now it was more expensive

[gray yew]

*Great Attractor

[round plaza]

Really?

[gray yew]

Really. Ofc, I can barely remember most things.

(I was also boosted a fair bit.)

[fluid delta]

Yeah, I got Beyond 29 done in a few hours. I forget what point I left GA, I think rank 6.

[round plaza]

I'll see how many time I finally need

[gray yew]

gl

[fluid delta]

gl

[round plaza]

Thx, tomorrow I'll be back and I will tell you how it's going

[gray yew]

k

[polar viper]

Im stuck at 192/200 at great attractor since the patch. No movement possible except with maybe 10 black holes that i dont have.
*Fixed yeah

But on the other hand with e30 i will be blazing through anyways

So who cares

[fluid delta]

Hmm, idk, I doubt anyone will be blazing through Beyond 30. I haven't looked at the beta or played it, but it's my understanding it's supposed to be huge, with at least 50 goals in it.. (by "goals", probably not the right term, but the things that it has you do to get the unlocks or whatever)

.. and ofc there won't have been the year since the last Beyond, giving us time to save up Black Holes and otherwise progress the cards, like there was for 29.

[polar viper]

Oh i ment through the old stuff

[left grotto]

yeah it's crazy expensive now lmao

glad I got the lvl6 achievement before the tweak

[polar viper]

Yeah same

[fluid delta]

The key takeaway is: when Beyond 30 comes out, rush and do it. Bc this isn't the first time they've done this: make the Beyond level way harder/take way more time.

[polar viper]

Yeah this time i will be better prepared too

When e29 released i wasnt done with e28 yet

[fluid delta]

heh! I do have quite a few Black Holes I have saved up for 30... I only spent 10 of them for B29 (and I didn't even really need to spend them). So.. I am prepared 🙂

[polar viper]

"only"

[tawdry parrot]

is it inevitable that beyond gets a prestige system?

[fluid delta]

Inevitable? No. But they are talking about doing it.

[polar viper]

Im saving now. I hope i can get some

[fluid delta]

Top 10 in events are easy if you've been playing the game awhile.. you just need to be smart about it... and have the time to spend on the game, ofc

[polar viper]

Probably around 5 bh's and i should be good.

Atm im top 5

Its easy as long as the Events are annoyingly slow

[fluid delta]

nodnod.. I am guessing about 1 month to Beyond 30, but I could be wrong.

[polar viper]

I dont even have all badges yet, but top 5

My conclusion from the last 1-2 month events is, best time for easy divisions is starting around 24h after event start. Later and it gets harder again.
I guess its an inconvienient spot. Still lot of time to play to do but not the first batch of tryhards.
I would prefer doing it 1 day before event ends for laziness but need more badges for that

[fluid delta]

Yeah, I'm firmly in the laziness "zone" when it comes to events these days. That'll probably change once they release a new branch of the game, and so new currencies end up as part of the Top ? rewards... but that stuff is at least 6 months away, or even next year. No rush. 🙂

[polar viper]

Also i wonder If they Release a new Event at some point

[fluid delta]

I'm sure they will

[polar viper]

Or If they are too busy with their reboot

[fluid delta]

what reboot? the automation thing isn't a reboot, but.. yeah. We don't really need a way to make reboots faster, but they think otherwise and... well, I will look at it once it reaches Live in it's final form, before having an opinion about it.

[polar viper]

I ment the reality reboot and the adding of all the patches on top

Still Lots of stuff missing

Like Industrial evolution etc

[fluid delta]

ah ok.. that'll be an ongoing process, that won't be finishing anytime soon, if ever... Primary is the core of the game, after all, and Reality Engine is closely linked to it

[crude latch]

Hey guys is there a glitch where sometimes when you tap a gold asteroid in beyond and it offers for you to quadruple it, that it doesn’t actually quadruple it?
Cause like it seems like this just happened but maybe I’m misunderstanding how this works.

Here’s two different instances related to this to show what I mean. So in the one with an asteroid worth 17.58qvg it does seem to quadruple as I go from 129.15qvg stardust to 199.48qvg stardust

But in the other one which has an asteroid worth 28.61qvg, it doesn’t seem to quadruple it because my stardust just goes from 60.27qvg to 88.98qvg

So like is this intentional and just the display text is wrong for it? Or maybe like when the asteroid is clicked and the game decides it will be able to be quadrupled, by default it’s a 1x asteroid and sometimes it just doesn’t change to 4x for whatever reason?

[crude latch]

What’s the automation thing?

[fluid delta]

a way to automate sim reboots, I think?

.. but it will be more than just pressing a button

[crude latch]

Oh ye what do they mean by Industrial Revolution update cause when I got to that part I have Industrial Revolution and also like upgrades for it too like is it more of a later game thing where it comes back around like how it did for stone age neolithic iron age etc, and Industrial Revolution is missing from that? Or even does it come back around a third time and thats what industral revolution is missing

[polar viper]

Will be useful for new players where reboot spamming is still viable.
But for later stages it feels kinda gimmicky If u wait 21 days anyways

[crude latch]

Ohhh ok I see, hmm that seems a bit strange idk if I like that unless it’s a super late game thing

[fluid delta]

Yeah, I mean we'll have to wait and see what it looks like when it gets released to Live. Idk if they will nerf empty sim strategy then or what...

[fluid delta]

Reboot spamming is still viable around the intro of an update, or at least I've found it's so. Get the new "easy" nodes, and only then do the 21d empty sim run

[fluid delta]

Think of it as "Part 2" with new expensive nodes etc.

[polar viper]

Like the one before industrial revolution, where u have the second batch of more expensive upgrades.
Before they added Automation and e30 to the soon timeline there was industrial revolution shown

[crude latch]

Ohh oka so like when it comes back around for Stone Age and stuff?

[polar viper]

Yeah

[fluid delta]

idk if they will do that.. maybe not? they seem to be going up the timeline, not backwards to the past.

[crude latch]

Also @polar viper @fluid delta do you guys know anything about this?

[fluid delta]

Nope

[crude latch]

Oh Nono I mean like is it the same as when it came back to Stone Age and had new upgrades

[crude latch]

Oh oka dang thank you tho ! Is there a. Uh report thing I can send to?

[fluid delta]

Idk. Others will likely know, though

[polar viper]

Tbh i never use the golden asteroids in beyond.

[fringe lake]

h

[junior fox]

@fluid delta what do you mean saying empty sim strategy?

I understand why is 21 day, but why empty

[fluid delta]

bc you start with no generators, just the first node.. and sit there and wait the 21 days 3 hours for all the time nodes to cap

[gray tapir]

What... (

What does that means?

[fluid delta]

I think you know what it means, considering your icon is something from the beta

[gray tapir]

Automatic?

[fluid delta]

It means exactly what I said to gasay

[gray tapir]

Oh

Ok

Just wondering

[fluid delta]

it's been discussed in here at various times in the past month or so.

[gray tapir]

Ok

[lone bronze]

Cant believe we're getting E30 so early

im used to waiting 11 months 😭

is it like actually the final episode

cuz the thing shows cmb and that's the universe

[fluid delta]

Yes, it's supposed to be the final one

[lone bronze]

oh ok

then they're gonna do prestige like primary and meso?

just a guess

I barely even look at the betas lol

[fluid delta]

That's the plan, yeah. Though Primary doesn't have Prestige, only Meso does

[lone bronze]

oh I meant like reboot simulation

but still, beyond prestige

[fluid delta]

It probably won't be like Meso Prestige, they do want to make it different, but I think they are still in the planning stage rn

[lone bronze]

oh ok

[lone rampart]

replay in beta chat

[junior fox]

What the purpose? If you have generators you get more metabits and others no?

And how you will fill knowledge if you don't have generators for that

[white egret]

the time crystals give a boost to your metabits and ideabits which makes them give more on completing a fill, if you wait for this boost to completely max out, you can apply the max boost to all your fills, instead of just a few

in normal play you might get like 1 or 2 fills with this max boost, but by waiting you can get thousands

[gray tapir]

Time crystals? I don't remember

[white egret]

the ideabit ones are on the left side of the 5x boost im pretty sure

[tawdry parrot]

@quasi ivy u are so cute

[quasi ivy]

tee hee

i just did the first cycle

im gonna idle now till i wake up again

human body exploration event difficulty curve be like: ↖️↘️↖️↗️⬅️⬇️⬆️➡️↖️↘️↗️↙️

[gray tapir]

lmfao

[tawdry parrot]

yep lol

[quasi ivy]

like brain is easy
endocrinal system is hell
skeleton and muscles are easy
skin is meh
stomach is prety easy
kidney is meh
liver is hard again

oh how i love this event

[tawdry parrot]

yes I like it, this is my first time

but I am most curious about the money event

[forest anchor]

Skull

[spiral kraken]

I made it just in time for the cardiac game thingy.

[spiral kraken]

I'm trying to get the right atrium and endocrine system.

[inner maple]

Rn I’m trying to get the muscles.

[brisk badger]

Hi

[inner maple]

Hello

[brisk badger]

Tell me where I can write to support to get roles like legend, paleontologist, and so on.

[inner maple]

I’m honestly not sure, you may want to talk to the mods about that.

[brisk badger]

А где мне найти модераторов?

[inner maple]

I don’t speak Russian 🙁

[brisk badger]

Excuse me, but where can I find the moderators?

[white egret]

staff will look at your message when they get around to it

[warm lodge]

Post screenshots proving your progression in the channel #🏆-share-your-prestige . Do not react to other peoples postings there.

[white egret]

theyv already posted

you just have to wait for staff to look at the channel, then you will get the roles

[warm lodge]

Then just wait. It may take some time for the mods to handle them. It is hand work.

[brisk badger]

I have already placed my order, but how long do I have to wait for it to be delivered?

[white egret]

it happens when it happens

[brisk badger]

It makes sense

[warm lodge]

I got a skeleton. It is a nice skeleton. Note to self: Never break it again.

[inner maple]

How did you break it?

[olive crow]

If I delete my progress on PC will that delete mobile progress

[vernal laurel]

If you have an account you can reconnect to your account so your progress is saved

By the way, here some old reality engine

[forest anchor]

-# Nostalgia...

[warm lodge]

As kid I fell and broke my collarbone and as adult I crashed against a tree when on a zipline. Neither are recommended. Very painful.

[inner maple]

Yikes…that sounds painful…

[gray tapir]

Ouch

[sinful cairn]

my least favorite thing about this game is beyond

idk man it just takes soooooooooooo long

[forest anchor]

Sad

[inner maple]

The Beyond is goated imo

I don’t care that it’s slow, it’s worth it

Hopefully there’s a prestige for it

[forest anchor]

I don't really like prestige personally, but the beyond is actually very good imo

[inner maple]

Understandable

[gray tapir]

Haii

[analog aspen]

Just a wee nap. We back.

[forest anchor]

Nice

[analog aspen]

How much new stuff is there?

[loud loom]

We wo what old reality engine?

[analog aspen]

Old?

[loud loom]

Look at the top

[loud loom]

Wait you didn't hear of reality reboot?

[analog aspen]

😮

Its time to evolve

[forest anchor]

A lot

Really, a lot

[analog aspen]

So in the engine how come there are so many tiles that are like already unlocked?

[forest anchor]

Your progress in the old reality engine is automatically transferred to the new one

Using... calculations

[analog aspen]

Think the alchemists went overboard and turned the whole planet gold

[forest anchor]

Lmao

[gray tapir]

Lol

[inner maple]

Lol, you get Golden Earth if you played before the reboot

[jolly spade]

Can someone explain to me the upcoming automation update?

[fluid delta]

ask in #💬-beta-chat

[grizzled dragon]

Can someone ping a mod? There is a rule violation in beta chat.

[fluid delta]

The user to contact for this is <@&535129309648781332>

[forest anchor]

It remains unknown to public

[lunar osprey]

Do event awards stack? I have 2 of the first badge from the cats event. So would the bonus for having the badge be applied once or twice?

[white egret]

the badge bonuses do stack

[lunar osprey]

Do they stack additive or multiplicative

[gray yew]

Additive.

[white egret]

if you have 4 of the 5%, 3 of the 10%, and 2 of the 15%, your total boost is (4*5)+(3*10)+(2*15) as a percent (80% boost, or 1.8x production)

[junior fox]

So just buy this first?

[white egret]

it doesnt matter if you buy any really, time is always kept the same

as long as you dont buy generators (or click too much) you should be fine

[lunar osprey]

What is old is new? Is new the current update, or what's in beta?

[white egret]

its been that way for a while

[junior fox]

I didn't get it rally, how I will earn knowledge then

[lunar osprey]

I am not a minmaxxer

[white egret]

afterwards, when you buy everything in 21 days

[lunar osprey]

I haven't looked into all the interesting details of mechanics

I say interesting very lightly.

[white egret]

you wont reach 200% for some time so youre prob fine to not worry about it

[lunar osprey]

I think i have like 2 of the same as my highest count LOL

[white egret]

lol

you need about 7 of all 3 badges in an event to be above 200%

[lunar osprey]

I usually get the first badge and then the event is over. If that

Sometimes i dont even get to the first badge

[junior fox]

But I can start probably at day 10 right?

[white egret]

youre gains will be way lower tho but yeah, its your game afterall

i do know there was some change on beta (which i dont have the numbers for) so this might only be true for so long

[white egret]

in 10 days youll have a 4.3k boost, which is almost nothing compared to 1 million

[junior fox]

Get it, I will try, but it's hard not to buy 21 days :D

[white egret]

lol i just play other games while i wait

ive got a bug with my current thing anyway, crazy memory leaks

so i cant really play at all

[polar viper]

If you can get big upgrades at 10 days its fine to end early.

[white egret]

that is true

but its hard to calculate that amount

ive got din but gl

[polar viper]

Yeah

One time is missed by 1% and had to do like 10 fast resets for the last bits missing

[keen mango]

just hit beyond ep 25

[junior fox]

Thx guys for help

[mellow carbon]

Whee. did my 21 day generator purchases with both metabit crystals a few hours ago. Up to 8.78E30 metabits.

[gray yew]

Current.

[sharp gazelle]

Holy beyond nerf...:(

[steady dune]

31 more hours to wait....

[mellow carbon]

Did you manage to buy the second metabit time crystal? It really helps.

[forest anchor]

Just did

:)

[hard tartan]

ofc

[shy grail]

It's showtime

[main zealot]

Why is the price of the last galaxy in space 100500 times more expensive after the update? It was 8xxx and became 168xxx

[forest anchor]

E29 got nerfed like heavily

[lone bronze]

great attractor or Andromeda galaxy?

we got elite ball knowledge, but how about elite ball metabit?

[lone bronze]

cuz u said last "galaxy"

[brisk badger]

@primal stump Hello, please check the channel #🏆-share-your-prestige

[primal stump]

You don't need to ping me for that. I usually take a look at messages

[brisk badger]

Okay, sorry.

[indigo atlas]

What is energy? Is it unused? Is it something from the future? Is it not even related to the game?

[forest anchor]

It was once planned as a currency in the Beyond

Along with sentience

[swift heron]

What

[forest anchor]

?

[gray yew]

Reality Reboot. Apparently the new structure involves using the reset mechanism before you reach Singularity, so I guess that means higher prices given the constant resetting?

[fluid delta]

There’s a memory leak with Cells on Steam, but it’s slow, closing and immediately reopening the game 1/day takes care of it, and preserves empty sim run progress.

[analog aspen]

Erm, what happened to tapping for currency?

[fluid delta]

I’ll be interested to see the numbers if you do get them.

[fluid delta]

That still exists. As far as I know, nothing happened to it.

[analog aspen]

Idk I cant tap for the purple stuff atm

[fluid delta]

purple stuff?

[analog aspen]

The purple currency, anywhere i tap, nothing happens. And the brain is moving when I tap it but im not getting any currency

[white egret]

the memory leak I have is absurd, it allocates memory to cts but never frees it for the rest of the system, so it just piles more and more allocations into cts

[fluid delta]

I still don’t know what you’re talking about. Which part of the game?

[analog aspen]

in the evolution tree, the brain bro. start of light bulb section

[white egret]

also since it loves using new memory instead of preallocated memory it just keeps adding more (lucky scene data seems to use the same memory alloc tho)

[fluid delta]

What platform are you running the game, on?

[white egret]

steam, 43_42

it just happend randomly one day

I have more notes in related bug report hold on

https://discord.com/channels/488478892873744385/1469488021710835753

[fluid delta]

Try tapping/clicking elsewhere. It should work. It works for me.

[white egret]

no other unity games do this also, and they haven't updated unity version anyway

I'll check in the morning to see if it's fixed maybe

[clear zenith]

maybe I'm overexplaining or misunderstanding, but clicking there is supposed to give yellow (ideas) currency instead of purple (entropy)

[white egret]

the lightbulbs are the new currency, and are used in the new section

[white egret]

also just the idea that the garbage collector for a game can suddenly stop working is insane, like how does that even happen

[fluid delta]

That’s really strange. I haven’t seen this. One thing I do that maybe you don’t do, is save and restore from the cloud daily. Maybe that’s helpful?

[polar viper]

Shitty engine

[white egret]

I don't see how my save could effect it?

[white egret]

atp I'll make my own garbage collector (spamming unallocate every frame and ruining my cpu)

[fluid delta]

It could if it’s resetting data structures that are otherwise preserved on game reload from whatever temp save it uses on a game restart.

[analog aspen]

im not getting either. I click near home star or anywhere near animals and no purple stuff is generated. I click up in the tech area and no lightbulbs. Is this new to stop people farming autoclickers?

[polar viper]

Just ignore it and restart the PC once in a while

[fluid delta]

there is no change and it works fine. you are clicking in the wrong place. Click near or adjacent to creatures, not near ideas. it will work

[white egret]

the best solution lol

[clear zenith]

Not tmk. Maybe it's a bug, does closing and reopening the game fix it?

[analog aspen]

Trust me, I know

[polar viper]

If its a windows its needed anyways because crappy os

[analog aspen]

You can see my tap circle

[lofty robin]

Restart game idfk

[analog aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-memoji-gif-23490017

[white egret]

fair, Windows 10 is better than 11 at least

[fluid delta]

ipad, yeah? with a mouse or touchpad? tap on the screen with your fingers instead.

[analog aspen]

Samsung

[white egret]

I can't get Linux cause then id have to talk about Linux all the time

[analog aspen]

This always worked i dont understand. Ill just restart

[polar viper]

Yeah that sounds like a case of: "Have u turned it off and on again?"

[fluid delta]

either way, don’t use a mouse for the mobile version.

[tawdry parrot]

u need to do asmr 😩

[analog aspen]

holy freaky

[white egret]

I've gotta sleep but y'all have fun

[lofty robin]

Don't you get like a tenth of what you would get passively in a second why does that matter

[white egret]

99% chance you're talking to a kid but whatever floats your boat

[tawdry parrot]

also u gotta claim your free darwinium

[analog aspen]

autoclicker son

brrrrrrrr

[lofty robin]

You weren't using one in the video

[analog aspen]

i know, becuase clicking isnt working at all

what would it channge

[fluid delta]

there is no tap circle on Apple, except when using a touchpad or mouse, on ipad/iphone. idk Android well, but I expect that’s why, like I said.

[lofty robin]

Then restart

[analog aspen]

samsung

[fluid delta]

i know. still applies likely

[analog aspen]

on screen record you get a tap circle, so people can see what ur touching, in case youre trying to guide them through setups or something

[fluid delta]

ok. then idk, it has always worked fine for me on ipad, works fine for others on android.. and ofc on Steam. I’ve never seen anyone report this here. It’s got to be some setting or overlay or app on your device’s operating system.

[polar viper]

How i look at your problems:

https://tenor.com/view/pc-master-race-gaming-the-feels-gtx1080-gif-7941212

[analog aspen]

Before I restart and lose a possible glitch, do yall have like infinite boosts like this?

[main zealot]

No, the prices were lower before the game was updated, but now they are incredibly high, making it impossible to reach level 6.

[analog aspen]

works now, just had to open beyond

[fluid delta]

That’s infinity pass. Could you have gotten it temporarily somehow? If you go into the darwinium store, it should tell you

[analog aspen]

ye dont know how though

[clear zenith]

I know that, as a new player, there was a 15min infinity pass in the daily rewards in the first or second week

[polar viper]

Did u purchase Starter CPU or something like that?

[fluid delta]

..oh yeah, that’s true, a one-time thing in the dailies, I had forgotten about that

[analog aspen]

i have 2 days

and a bit left

[polar viper]

Is it an old account and u returned after long absence?

[analog aspen]

yes

[polar viper]

I think then its just some freebie

[analog aspen]

hell yeah

[polar viper]

Saw some other players talking about getting a few days free IP after returning.

[analog aspen]

ight thx

Sorry but one more thing, what are these converters? And are these options below purchasable? Before I do something I regret

[clear zenith]

The green outline means they'll be purchasable once you restart the sim. The whole button will be green when you can buy them

[lofty robin]

Me trying not to say mess around and find out

[analog aspen]

real

[left grotto]

mmmmm nostalgic af

[left grotto]

there isnt anything to regret really

you can simply reboot and earn more currency lol

[chilly bloom]

after a long 21-day wait, I got excited to start purchasing and forgot to enable 4x or even a 2x boost 💀

nevertheless for anyone still considering doing an empty sim, I'm happy to report that I got from level 65 & 3/4 to 70 & 3/4 in about 6 hours after 21 days, out of which the screen was open in primary for 3 hours and some of those I was actively upgrading RE.
and now I think I can get to mollusks since I just got the 5 research chip upgrade!

[quartz lance]

why does the beyond take so long 😔

[chilly bloom]

for me, the constellations are slow to complete

[wraith panther]

how many lvl dose beyond got?

[quartz lance]

200 hours playtime without playing consistantly

I couldve done so much more in those 200 hours

[analog aspen]

imagine they add EVERY constellation that exists💀

[hollow pelican]

maybe

[chilly bloom]

that'd be interesting + take a lot of grinding to get lol

[quartz lance]

https://tenor.com/view/druski-rage-angry-annoyed-whatever-gif-5126333390325209476

[analog aspen]

This is just a few

[jaunty kiln]

at which point in the game does it make sense to go for the 21 day strat? just heard about it today

[tawdry parrot]

why 21 days specifically?

[forest anchor]

The time chamber strategy

[jaunty kiln]

that's my follow-up question too

[analog aspen]

what is this?

[quartz lance]

just spend 1000 dollars on darwinium

[strange lark]

good grief

[chilly bloom]

it's more useful for end game- what level are you on?

[jaunty kiln]

figured; measly 21 😛

[chilly bloom]

I'd think it's pretty smooth sailing until late 60s; maybe you could try it if you wanted

I wouldn't know the efficiency at lower levels because after the update, I started at 55/56

[quartz lance]

What is the 21 day strategy

[junior fox]

I got the same/bigger progress without waiting 21 days just rebooting and buying all

Seems its not working good then?

Looks like making reboot every 3-4 days and buying stuff more profitable than waiting 21 day

[tawdry parrot]

yes

[lament temple]

What is prestige? How can I do it and what's the maximum prestige level?

• Prestige is a reset to Mesozoic Valley, you will be brought back to rank 1 and restart all over again. However you will get a 'Warm Climate' trait which boosts the production of all dinosaurs. You can prestige by clicking 'Prestige' at the top of the window when you reach rank 50. The current highest prestige level is 10.

Frequently Asked Questions • Requested by Pirate

[chilly bloom]

how many real life days and game hours did it take you?

since it just took me 3 hours of active game time, I'd say it was a win

[junior fox]

Probably nothing? Like one min in 3-4 hours?

[fiery pier]

It's just 1.3x boost at max so it's kinda slow

[chilly bloom]

no, like how many times did you reboot to get the same level/bigger progress? or if I'm interpreting correctly you rebooted every 3-4 hours?

[polar viper]

nothing there

only the sharks

or wait

i know why

[junior fox]

I rebooted every 3-4 days

[polar viper]

empty sim run

[junior fox]

Not hours

[polar viper]

nvm im trippin. ignore me

[junior fox]

So like 5-7 reboots in total

[tawdry parrot]

I'm jelous of people who have a lot of medals and can blast through events

[chilly bloom]

well, if you play the same event a couple of times, the third time you can blast them too heh!

[junior fox]

@chilly bloom From rank 58 to 70 from Jan 17 - ~25days for 12 ranks, while you got only 5 in 21. So strategy 21 days maybe is useful? looks like better to buy stuff and wait, or it just working better on 70+ ranks

Idk

But I think 21day is copium)

[polar viper]

empty sim run is the best move if u only need metabits/knowledge. how long u run depends when the next big upgrades can be purchased.
to get taychon funnel and graviton expansion 21 day strat is goated. before around lvl 65-70 its not that important kinda. lots of stuff to get with shorter runs.
but even if u run only 10 days or 5 empty sim is still better.

[indigo atlas]

Since the Reality Engine was reworked, what will happen if I buy the Singularity?

[junior fox]

What the difference if I buy all and wait the same 10 days, boost will be the same in time x profit

[dusk plank]

Guys I made an account in like 2024 and had it saved in Google play before I changed devices but now I can't access it or at least I don't know how to and I don't want to lose it since It had significantly more stuff than my current account can anybody help?

[polar viper]

its only because of the time crystals. they multiply your metabit/knowledge gain, but the multiplier applies once you get the fill. and since the most fills are early in the run (if you buy things normally), only a small amount of fills get affected by the time crystal multiplier later.
with empty sim run, you purchase nothing, so you get zero fills and once you have the multiplier after x days all fills get affected by it.

[junior fox]

Ahhhhh, now I got it

[polar viper]

the downside is, that you get no xp during the time you wait around.

[junior fox]

Thx thx, now I see

I didn't know that It applies only to fills but not in general

[polar viper]

hopefully they "fix" it with upcoming patches so that normal playstyle doesnt fall behind so much.

[junior fox]

Also it's not very clear that it applies only to fills, because of that I can't understand this strategy

[analog aspen]

does it increase or decrease the longer the sim is going?

[junior fox]

Increase

[polar viper]

yeah its not clear and i doubt the devs thought about the interaction in the first place.

[analog aspen]

fills?

[junior fox]

Ye u funny

[amber canyon]

When you earn metabits and knowledge you don't get them per second (like you do for entropy and ideas). You get some every time you do a 'fill'.

[analog aspen]

ive never spoken to anyone about this game before

idk this shi

[amber canyon]

If you go to the Reality engine, you can look at the metabits or knowledge tabs and see how many fills you've collected on your current run, and how far you are through the current fill.

[brazen junco]

What's going on here

[junior fox]

Sorry then, I though u are joking to me

[analog aspen]

bruh

ahahaha

[brazen junco]

Progress says 99% however my beyond is completed

[polar viper]

wild guess but u got all astronomy missions done?

[brazen junco]

Ofc

[polar viper]

hmm maybe a card missing? guessing further. something thats not an achievement but part of beyond

[amber canyon]

Have you got the things like pioneer 10? You need to get them every episode.

[forest anchor]

The trophies

[brazen junco]

Shi might be it lemme look

[forest anchor]

They're like around Jupiter

It's indeed very easy to overlook them

[brazen junco]

I know

And it's not them

They're all unlocked

The tea pot as well

[amber canyon]

Unlocked and bought?

[brazen junco]

Yep

[forest anchor]

Voyagers?

Idk anymore man

[brazen junco]

Literally all

My beyond is literally completed

Like everything

Every trait every achievement

[forest anchor]

Perhaps 99% because of... the future ;)

[amber canyon]

Mine says.100%

[brazen junco]

Lemme just reload rq

Still 99% smh

[amber canyon]

Have you collected the purple achievements you see in the primary sim? They might count towards beyond completion

[brazen junco]

Just the mezo one missing so far

Lemme just buy it rq

No fix

[tawdry parrot]

the event taught me that pee is not in fact stored in the balls

on another note, isnt infinity pass + maxed nanobots OP? Cause you can keep it active at all times

[polar viper]

its ok

[analog aspen]

sigh*

[polar viper]

the 4x boost + 2x offline bonus is usually better

[brazen junco]

I'm sorry but how did you ever assume that in the first place

[polar viper]

probably skipping elementary school for piracy activities

[tawdry parrot]

its an old meme

this thing will be happy once u go sober

[analog aspen]

nah ive trained mine

alcohol is one of its 5 a day

[tawdry parrot]

bro 😭 😭

[fluid delta]

it is not. doing the empty sim strategy (waiting 21 days with an empty primary until that time is complete, then doing the sim as normal), with all time nodes bought in reality engine, is about the same as doing 10 Million reboots (where each waits about 5 minutes per reboot for fills)

[fluid delta]

since constellations are a human mental construct, there are effectively an infinite number of them. that would be a lot 🙂

[ancient mason]

constellations confuse me sometimes, like how does a random number of stars and line resemblance a bear

[tawdry parrot]

Event: is fun
My brain: According to the American Heart Association’s 2025 Heart Disease and Stroke Statistics Update, heart disease remains the leading cause of death in the U.S.

🤪

[round plaza]

Hey sorry to bother but yesterday we were talking about the rank 6 achievement in beyond

Since yesterday I made 2E162 what do you think?

Is it good to get there

?

[steady dune]

Another wait starts
-# start it earlier because 1.3x extra won't do much
Got ||1.5e26 and 1.5e30 from last reboot || if you're curious

[steady dune]

Maybe not enough for it if yours is total stardust
-# if it's correct,199-> 200 needs 2.8e163, aka 28tQig

[round plaza]

Now I am at 139/150 and one costs 9,57E163

[analog aspen]

any tips for 2 minute singularity time? Imma try and use the infinite boost for the bots

[round plaza]

But the thing is I don't know how to get more resources faster

[round plaza]

I have only did it on PC and it was easier than in mobile if that helps

But i'm not the best at that my best time is 1:57

[gray yew]

K
I think

[steady dune]

Interesting #

Mine at 201 with 3.5e166 to get next one

[round plaza]

And also I have 1,61E157/s if that helps to think

[steady dune]

Then you might doing events to grind stars , and get more cards to upgrade
4-5e159/s will be the target

[round plaza]

Thats good to know thanks

Usually in events I get like 50th or something like that

[steady dune]

:: join events later will help, but need more one-time power to do

[round plaza]

Thanks, I'll see what I can get

[tawdry parrot]

events have gotten more competitive since I returned to the game

[indigo atlas]

Is it worth it?

[round plaza]

Absolutely

[round plaza]

One last thing, at what time do you reccomend entering an event? 1 day after, 12 hours...?

[indigo atlas]

Is it just any average reboot or is it a better reboot?

What does this even do?

[steady dune]

Uh, I did like 1-2d remaining timer on event

[polar viper]

try it out. its just normal part of the progress

[indigo atlas]

The general consensus seems to be that I should buy the singularity

[round plaza]

And what rank do you average?

[polar viper]

skynet isnt real

[indigo atlas]

The devs try to stop you from buying the singularity (maybe unintentionally) by giving you a scary animation when you do buy it

[polar viper]

it will be fine (for sure. noone is forcing me to say this)

[steady dune]

Mostly top 10 and had a streak of getting 1st 6+ times in a row but that's before, now I barely do them

And with heavy rush

[round plaza]

Oh thats good I'll try that timing

[steady dune]

Heavy rush: pushing for highest possible score you can

[indigo atlas]

I think I should do it

[steady dune]

Not really recommend unless you want to 100% sure you stay in top 10 or for a new record

[tawdry parrot]

event inflation 😔

[indigo atlas]

Have any one of you hesitated to buy Singularity?

[polar viper]

no we are all loyal servants to our ai overlord semblance

[indigo atlas]

I'm just gonna nap through the scary thing that happens when you buy the Singularity

[polar viper]

join us

[clear zenith]

my game just froze when I bought singularity for the first time lol
reopened it and it started me at a new sim like nothing ever happened, but the system logs had all the messages I remember being there when I'd first unlocked the singularity on my old playthrough back in 2024, about the mammal glithces and all that. But at that point I'd already had a few mammals unlocked. Wonder if that's a bug? 🤔

[analog aspen]

years ago

[tawny heath]

How do I make a suggestion? I remember there was some process but I forgot it

[warm lodge]

Please make a crossplatform save NOW!

[warm lodge]

I think most of us did during their first few rounds.

[indigo atlas]

I decided to buy the Singularity and... absolutely nothing of interest happened other than a few glitches

[tawdry parrot]

one of my goals in life is to not die of heart disease

[fluid delta]

Then I hope you're not eating a typical western diet.

[polar viper]

you mean typical murican diet?
25 chicken wings 1 plate of fries and 2l coke

[tawdry parrot]

I dont, I do eat a lot of meat and dairy but my lipid profile is fine

its gonna come down more to your sugar intake and metabolic health

[fluid delta]

That... is the wrong diet, if you are concerned about your cardiovascular system.

[tawdry parrot]

Theyve been saying and applying that for decades but it has only gotten worse

Before processed food and sugar, heart disease used to be uncommon

[fluid delta]

Nope. Not true. But I'm also not going to debate it either. FAFO. You are doing that, and you'll live with the consequences, good or bad. Your life to live as you choose. That's all I'm going to say on this subject, since it tends to get people upset. And this Discord isn't the place for it either, anyway.

[tawdry parrot]

The food pyramid got turned upside down for a reason lol

[fluid delta]

I'm also not going to debate american politics.

[tawdry parrot]

If people want to become herbivores its up to them, but science is science

[analog aspen]

ladies relax

[fluid delta]

Not going to discuss this. You are FAFO. That's fine. We all get to choose how we live our lives.

[tawdry parrot]

Look up 'french paradox' and 'Israeli paradox'

[fluid delta]

I said not going to discuss either of these topics.

[tawdry parrot]

theres no discussion to be had

if someone is still promoting 60 year old dietary advice theyre doing it for ideological reasons

[fluid delta]

... what part of "I do not wish to discuss this" do you not understand? STOP IT.

[tawdry parrot]

this is heartbreaking

[amber canyon]

Very similar to me! I got 2.28e26 metabits and 1.84e30 knowledge when I cashed in ~2 days ago and am also RL 73.

[grizzled lance]

Or they're just stubborn. People aren't robots so we're motivated by more than objective facts 🙂

Plus, it can be very hard to know which information is the more accurate one, because life is complicated, yo.

[fluid delta]

Not only is life complicated, but a lot of people are bad at critical thinking, and it's not helpful that there's a lot of misinformation out there.

(talking about life in general, not any specific topic)

[plucky berry]

any tips on speed running mollusks?

how?

[fluid delta]

It's all very fast once you have enough nodes in Reality Engine. So, same advice as I always give, really: do spam reboots (as far as you can get in a short amount of time) to get the "cheap" nodes in reality engine, then do a 21 day empty sim run for a ton of metabits+knowledge. Repeat as needed and/or a new update drops that adds content

[plucky berry]

empty sim run?

[fluid delta]

yes. start Primary, don't buy anything except maybe 1 node (but no generators). Leave that alone for 21 days 3 hours until your time nodes max out, and only at that point complete Primary, then add a little time for some fills. During that wait time, still do Meso/Beyond/Events as desired.

[left grotto]

Time Crystals/Chambers fill up as the simulation runs, but each metabit/knoweldge fill makes the next one harder to fill - by letting the simulation just sit out empty and with no currency fills, you can charge up the time crystals for max efficiency and then these early converter fills will net huge huge benefits once you buy generators

something like that

the point is to leave a simulation with no generators running until these charge up and then reap the jacked up efficiency of early fills

[fluid delta]

yup

[plucky berry]

i’m done with meso/beyond

[fluid delta]

for now. One more level of Beyond is coming, then Prestige at some undefined point in the future.

[junior fox]

You aren't doing reboot in 5 mins, but 3-7 days, and also you are buying every time upgrades, it's not true that it worth 10 millions, it's better ye, but not so much

[left grotto]

I'm way way too impatient for the full 21 day thing

I've found that even a few days will net very noticeable benefits

now imagine the full 21 day thing

[fluid delta]

It actually is true, I measured it myself. That's with all time nodes bought in reality engine, ofc. And note that that's 10 Million times more Metabits + Knowledge earned.. Entropy + Ideas is vastly more.

Nearly all the benefit accrues in the last day, bc it's exponential growth from a slow start, with the Time crystals.

[junior fox]

How did you measure this, you started on different account from the level 60 ?

[fluid delta]

Nope. Did my usual quick reboot, waited 5 minutes for fills, recorded that. Ended sim, didn't buy anything in Reality Engine, then did the 21d3h empty sim run. Recorded that. Did math. Easy.

And, again, had all time nodes. If you don't have both time crystals, then you won't get one of the 1000x multipliers.

[junior fox]

It's basically wrong calculation, but anyway it's more profitable you are right

[junior fox]

But if I don't have one, anyway I should be fine right?

[fluid delta]

How is it a wrong calculation? I'm not saying it's 100% precise, I've never claimed that, but it's within 10%. I know what I recorded, I know what the results were.

[fluid delta]

All time nodes have their multipliers. You can look at the node itself for what it caps out at. As to when, Tescoo figured that out with Math, but basically Time Chambers max out at about 10 days (nearly all benefit that last day), and the Time Crystals are near zero until almost day 21, where you get their (total) 1 000 000x multiplier on top of that.

.. I do figure that CL will nerf this at some point, but until then, do empty sim runs while you can. It is OP AF 🙂

[junior fox]

I will do, but unfortunately I don't have one time crystal

[gloomy jacinth]

Mmm hi, how is that update ?

[left grotto]

what update?

[fluid delta]

Then your results will be less. If you are at the point where if you do a short run or some spam reboots to get the other crystal, you should, first, before doing the 21d run.

[fluid delta]

Mollusks has been fine

[left grotto]

it's more shit to do I suppose

or, to put it nicely

[fluid delta]

Heh yes.. though they would like it to be different than how Meso's was, which was incredibly tedious.

[left grotto]

replayability value

[left grotto]

meso prestige is super tedious yeah

pretty nice for darwinium gen and primary sim speed now that prestige buffs are back

but tedious

[fluid delta]

Yep

There's no real rush. Take your time 🙂

[gloomy jacinth]

What your research level now ? 😸

[fluid delta]

Well.. 77 before I took advantage of a certain bug that I won't discuss. 80 now. And I'm on an empty sim run.

[left grotto]

the thing with idle games is that they'll do their stuff when you're not looking at them so it's fine to just take a break

[gloomy jacinth]

You really need to reverse entropy

[left grotto]

honestly, if you're gonna do the empty sim strat, if you're done with meso+beyond, all you'll care about is event stuff

which you can drop after picking up the badges anyway unless you're a leaderboard sweat

[fluid delta]

.. or want the Black Holes from Top 10, for Beyond 30.. which will be way bigger than previous Beyonds, apparently.

[gloomy jacinth]

It's nice that idle game got other sims.. 😅 idle games are always a little more fun when you have somewhere to click

[left grotto]

oh I suppose that's also true

I find it funny how I stopped caring about my event place the moment I ran out of stuff to buy with Logits lmao

[fluid delta]

Mind you, you might be like some of us here and have plenty saved up already. I rarely bother with Top 10 now

Yeah, I have tons of logits and no place to spend them.. around 15K, and some here have a lot more.

[left grotto]

having stuff to dump Logits into aside from the one or two things they add with each major update would be nice

[gloomy jacinth]

||Does the game give black holes at one point or is it only dw ?||

[fluid delta]

You need to get Top 10 in an event

[analog aspen]

Ive never had more than like 300 omg💀

[elder bison]

how do progress fast n main sim because im stuck at lvl 60

[fluid delta]

Heh. Give it some time. I've been playing for about 2 years, active all that time

[left grotto]

once you run out of stuff to buy with em, they pile up FAST

[gloomy jacinth]

Oh yeah ok, now I understand why there are some "optimized" strats for events

I never really bother with reading what could be possible rewards

But I should try

[analog aspen]

Ive been playing for a lot longer but ig if i only play 2 weeks every few months to a year thats not gonna get me far😂

[left grotto]

the best strat for events is, ironically enough, to join in late

you get placed into a less busy division = easier high place

[gloomy jacinth]

It's why I call it "optimized" it's weird

But also logical

[fluid delta]

heh yep. Events in their own way are kinda tedious to do, but you do get to a point eventually where they are fairly quick, and the effect adds up.. not only for future events, but it increases the multipliers in Primary for the relevant nodes.

[left grotto]

tbh if you don't care about leaderboard rewards then it's prefectly reasonable to drop the event the moment you get the three badges lmao

[fluid delta]

Yep

[left grotto]

and thankfully the events are set up in a way that getting the badge set isn't too hard

the real tedium is the levels above the first run

[analog aspen]

is there any way to see when you first played?

[gloomy jacinth]

I'm not sure I do events as I should try to do if I want to progress faster, but I still believe even if I only play a small part of the event, I could see the ends one day when I will obtain more badges

[fluid delta]

Yep. True. It will take 6x as long if you only get 1 badge per event, but yeah.. doable, certainly

[spare crane]

What is this badge?

[fluid delta]

cryptids

[spare crane]

Is it a recurring event? I had like 3 years break before coming back

Assume yearly for Halloween?

[amber canyon]

Has run over two Hallowe'en (twice), and once in May.

[spare crane]

Ah okay

Does it make you reach 100% on the badge count?

[amber canyon]

100% on the badge count? Not sure what you mean.

There's no max on the number of badges you can have: I have 3 cryptid badges for example.

[spare crane]

What I mean is the percentage counter of badges(mine is at 98% missing cryptids badge)

[fluid delta]

If you have done all the other event types, then yeah, it should

[spare crane]

That's what I mean

Ah cool not cool. Need to wait until Halloween for a hundo there

[fluid delta]

Oh. No. It won’t. Mine is at 98% also

[amber canyon]

Or maybe May.

[rain rain]

is it not achieves?

[amber canyon]

Mine is at 98%. I'm not sure that's badges though: I think it's achievements.

[mellow carbon]

I guess everyone that's up at that level took advantage of a similar bug?

[fluid delta]

… maybe. Mine might actually show 100% normally, come to think of it, but I am in the middle of an empty sim run, so I don’t have all the achieves active at this moment?

[fluid delta]

I have no idea

[rain rain]

you sure it was at 100% earlier?

[fluid delta]

No, actually.

[mellow carbon]

I'd been trying to figure out how people were so far ahead of me (billions) when there isn't much left to purchase.

[amber canyon]

I haven't got all the amphibian and Molluscs achievements.

[fluid delta]

Beta is one way

[mellow carbon]

Yes, some people are on beta, but not all of them.

[fluid delta]

Indeed. And I’m not.

[rain rain]

it's like 3-6 missing, I suppose (last achieves for last generators)

[fluid delta]

21d3h Empty Sim Runs when you have all the time nodes are extremely beneficial though.

[mellow carbon]

Only while there's still stuff to buy. It doesn't seem to take that many empty sim runs to not have stuff to buy.

[amber canyon]

You've got virtually everything, right? And doing empty sim runs?

[spare crane]

Inwould assume that adding generators drops the percentage since you won't have 1k mollusks immediately

[rain rain]

how many achieves in total?

[fluid delta]

Oh. Ofc. Duh. Right. That’s why. noone in live has 1000 amphib, or 1000 mollusks, therefore doesn’t have the achieves for them

[spare crane]

268 total at the moment I think

[spare crane]

Unless they cheat ofc

[rain rain]

yeah, 98%

[amber canyon]

(btw, just grabbed the 3rd badge in the event and in top 10. Can I keep it up for the next 90 mins ... ?)

[fluid delta]

ofc. That’s assumed. It’s just numbers in a file, after all

[mellow carbon]

I just completed one and bought most of what I could from Mollusks, so I currently have generators. I only have idea booster XI left for ideas (but an empty sim run only gets me a few of those). Metabits I have 1E31 in the current run and a bunch of stuff I could buy.

I might do a quick run after buying some of the more effective, but cheaper metabit upgrades just to see the end of mollusks (triassic terminator II was above what I got from the previous run).

[amber canyon]

Maybe once you've got those, and let your sim run for a bit for XP gain reasons legit-players won't be billions ahead?

[mellow carbon]

I don't expect so since I'll lose all the time chambers (for idea/entropy boosts) and I don't expect the upgrades from those to compensate, but we'll see.
Also the near people are only a billion away. The far people are 10^19 away.

[amber canyon]

I've only got ideas booster XI left to buy in ideas (am at 70/100). Metabits - I couldn't quite get VN nexus on the run I finished 2 days ago.

With 9e290XP I'm 1665 in the beta leaderboard - can't see the top and no idea what 'resetting monthly' means 🤷.

[mellow carbon]

I'm 9.68E308 @1251 on main leaderboard right now. I've been periodically adding people from Discord, so I can see a sampling from above. You can see mine if you want as LiefEric.

I think I'll at least do a quick run to see what it looks like before the next idle. My idea booster XI is at 75, but the 7.26E30 knowledge can probably only buy ~5 levels.

[spare crane]

Did anyone try reset simulation?

What's the point?

[brazen junco]

I don't see anyone with 1k mollusks tbh

[brazen junco]

Well uh reset the simulation duh

[fluid delta]

You can add mine if you want, same as my name here but all lowercase. But you may not be interested bc obvious reason (using exploit). I do think your XP and Lvl are pretty much max, for those who haven’t been using empty sim run exploit or other exploits, so that’s an achievement of sorts to be proud of!

[brazen junco]

So that's how that one dude got what was it? Lvl 237?

[junior fox]

@fluid delta if I can't get now time crystal 2 because it's cost so hight, should I do 21d run or just spam reboots 2-3 days to get it

[fluid delta]

No.. I mean, sortof, in beta/alpha there was major bugs, way higher than even 237 was possible.

[brazen junco]

Interesting ty

[swift heron]

I dont think the empty sim run strat is an exploit
It's more of an "unintentional game design"

[fluid delta]

a 5 day empty sim run should give you something like 3000x of a single reboot, that would be much easier!

[junior fox]

Thx a lot

[fluid delta]

No.. at this point it's an exploit, for sure. Use it or not, but if one is 100% following the intent of the game.. well, using it isn't that.

[swift heron]

There is no way the devs would have made it have such a high cap if they didnt think of players using it like this

Theres no way not a single dev thought "my fills take days If not weeks for 1 fill now but I haven't even reached 24 hours on the time crystal, hmmm, let's make it last for 21 days for no reason!"

[fluid delta]

Oh, idk, there's not that many of them, it's easy to think that such a bug would have slipped through.. and... not sure how easy it would be to actually fix (short of removing the time nodes), that's probably part of why it hasn't been.. yet.

[swift heron]

Reducing the amount of maximum time in the time crystals and buffing normal runs

[swift heron]

Well yea there arent that many devs but this is something that can be noticed from the 1st look

[fluid delta]

That's not going to do it. The problem is that the multiplier is applied at the point of the fill.. which essentially is the point at which you buy the generator. One way to fix would be to constantly adjust revenue from all bought generators to reflect the time nodes. How easy is that given their existing code base? No idea, I'm obviously not a Cells dev.

[spare crane]

I really hope they change the paradigm. Empty SIM is stupid design. You create content that is invisible to everyone until the nonsensical chambers are completed

[fluid delta]

Anyway, point being, I think it's fair to call it an exploit. Your opinion may differ.

[spare crane]

Absolutely stupid

[fluid delta]

And... I'll add that there's that related bug to the empty sim strat that makes time nodes increment twice as fast. I'm sure the devs know about that one too, it's common knowledge. Yet, it's unfixed. Ofc that's an exploit too, and people use it.

[spare crane]

Divulging knowledge about exploits is a bad idea isn't it?

Just report it

[amber canyon]

I have you already 🙂.

I find it hard to predict XP. I just did a reset and bought up the tree (no nanobots, of shooting stars or anything) and my XP jumped to 2e305 (from 9e290) - so x10^15. One shooting star took my XP to 4e306.

I know you're nearer the top than me, but 10^19 could be 1 empty sim run, a research chip doubling and / or shooting stars?

Tbh I haven't really paid attention to how XP grows ... So idk.

[fluid delta]

Yeah... which is why I keep silent about the one I have used. But these two have been discussed many times here and are widely known. They are no secret.

[rain rain]

like discussin empty sim?

yeah....

[spare crane]

Empty SIM is not an exploit, it's game design

[rain rain]

it is an exploit

[spare crane]

It's the time "manipulation" that is

[fluid delta]

No, messing with the system clock is flat-out cheating. And you will get flagged for it.

[rain rain]

you really think that it was devs intention to do that?
Like, really?

[spare crane]

Idk but it's not an exploit

[swift heron]

Isnt the problem that empty sim runs are way too overpowered?
So wouldn't reducing the max time crystal limit and buffing normal runs make them both almost equal

[swift heron]

Didnt the devs say they fixed that bug in this update on reddit

[swift heron]

Even if fixing them was hard, they wouldve atleast turned off the crystals temporarily or asked the community for suggestions

[fluid delta]

Heh no. I mean, there's ways they could address it, for sure.. but a full empty sim run gives about 10,000,000x metabits + knowledge, and about 2,030,000,000,000,000 x entropy + ideas compared to a quick reboot. So.. yeah. Exploit.

[analog aspen]

Whats the empty sim thing? Leaving the sim unstarted for a few weeks?

[fluid delta]

no idea, I don't read Cells in Reddit, but it's very much not fixed currently.

[swift heron]

How is it 10 million better when it says the max is 1000x boost

[rain rain]

easiest fix (at least not fix, but nerf) would be just to start counting time as soon as you get generator/start getting fills

[spare crane]

Exploit assumes that there is a bug, that is being exploited. Empty sim is not a bug. It's the game design

[swift heron]

No

[fluid delta]

bc there's multiple nodes, not just a single 1000x node.

[rain rain]

it is a bug. And I have no idea how people can even think it's intended

[spare crane]

Imo just revamp fills in geneal

[spare crane]

How the heck is it a bug?

[amber canyon]

Well, there's 2 time crystals on each side, so that gives you x 1 million. The rest, idk. Weird maths maybe?

[swift heron]

If it was an exploit that is op (which it is OP) the devs wouldve fixed it instantly considering the empty sim run COMPLETELY changed how the meta works for reality reboot

[swift heron]

Wait they're multiplicative?

[rain rain]

I haven't seen any official mentions about it at all

[amber canyon]

All the multipliers are multiplicative 🙂

[swift heron]

I thought they were only multiplicative for said currency
Not multiplicative to each other

[fluid delta]

Dude, the 2x time node increment bug isn't fixed either, and that should be way easier.. yet, it isn't. It is an exploit, 100%. Use it or not, just... be honest about what you're doing. I try to be. I openly admit I use exploits in my Cells account.

[amber canyon]

After the dev drop in here, a few of us were chatting with wossname Dev about the OP-ness of empty sim. It seemed like they really hadn't understood what it is or how effective it is.

[amber canyon]

2 knowledge crystals = x1000x1000 = x1 million knowledge.

Same on the metabit side.

[rain rain]

sigh in normal playthrough time thing is balanced, because by the time you max it, you have tons of fills, and it was balanced around that. They just didn't think that people would try... not playing the game.
And, yes, compare normal one and bugged one. Difference is way too insane to even consider it's intended.
It's like some people on news "I had sudden billion dollars on my bank account and decided to cash a couple of millions, it's not a crime"

[fluid delta]

I will add that everything I have done to get the advantage I have, is within the game. I exploit bugs within the game that have unintended consequences. I keep silent about whatever I might have used, other than the empty sim run and the related 2x bit though. Devs deserve to make a living, and I have certainly paid them a bunch over the past couple years I have played.

[spare crane]

Guys you really need to read a definition of exploit. It's bad game design. Not bug exploitation

Ans I am not mentioning the 2x time thing

This is a bug

And bug exploitation

[rain rain]

okay

googled it

it is exactly that

[spare crane]

Yes they empty SIM is not a bug or glitch. It's the game design.

[fluid delta]

What we really need is a dev to come in here (as they do, occasionally) and give their opinion. That would be the authoritative answer.

So.. next time they do, there's your chance 🙂

[spare crane]

Well they never tag the chat that they are present

[rain rain]

also would be cool to have some kind of representetive to be able to clarify stuff like that in the future

[fluid delta]

If you lurk here, as you are doing at this moment, you'll run into them eventually.

Anyway, whatever you want to call it, use it or not. Up to you.

[amber canyon]

Quite a few devs online atm.

[fluid delta]

Yes, but I think you can't DM them or @ them. I think? Except when they permit it.

[amber canyon]

I never tried. I would assume if they wanted to talk to us, they would chat here.

[fluid delta]

I've never tried either, except as a reply in the midst of a conversation with them here. But I think others have tried and it's come up before?

[amber canyon]

(or beta chat)

[polar viper]

The problem is, while for sure devs never thought about empty sim run while designing the crystals, we have no confirmation, if they see it as an exploit or valid min-maxing strat.
Its not a bug and also not actually need any kind of tricks to pull off.
And without them acknowledging it as an dont do this exploit, its gray area kinda.

(Doubling the sim time thingy is a bug. So you can call it a bug abuse here. But its also nothing hard to pull off again. You cant really dont abuse it. Even if you dont know of it)

[spare crane]

I guess they are online with discord, not necessarily looking at it

[amber canyon]

Quite a few of us noticed in game and irl time diverging right from the start of the reboot.

[fluid delta]

As Kf said. At any rate, I've made my position on it clear. Use it or not. Up to you (and others).

[polar viper]

Yeah but you cant prevent it except u ignore every side Sim and Event.

[amber canyon]

Especially those of us who were interested in the time nodes.

😁

[fluid delta]

mmhmm. And I caught onto it quite late. Maybe a month ago? Not sure. Maybe mid-december? Before that, I was 100% legit except for one... little... save glitch. Which wasn't repeatable. Heh.

[rain rain]

I am impressed how someone decided to try and test it

[amber canyon]

I do find it interesting that it never came up in beta testing.

Lol. I just opened up the alpha app. Alpha did have time crystals and chambers. But it didn't have a stats tab so I never got interested in the maths.

But I just discovered the stats tab info is there if you scroll down on another tab.

[polar viper]

I dont see empty sim as an exploit. Its bad game design for sure. It could have been fixed months ago, too. No officialy statement about it too, which would give clarity.

By now its just a feature

[lusty flume]

Hello

[amber canyon]

I hope they fix it.

Imagine the majority of players (not discord not Reddit) trying to play without knowing about it if the Devs don't fix it well.

Mind you, the Devs make odd decisions from my perspective.

[amber canyon]

Think I realised just before Christmas, and it was common knowledge about a week later?

[fluid delta]

That must have been when I found out about it then.. when it was common knowledge and got discussed here

[mellow carbon]

Yup. I remember being very confused by my statistics since now - reboot_time != simulated_time.

[lofty galleon]

I am not dead

[mellow carbon]

How do you count the 2x time thing as an exploit when it's unavoidable when playing the events?

[fallen sand]

Doesn't it only proc going from Event - primary? So if you go from Event -> Beyond/Meso -> Primary it won't trigger?

[mellow carbon]

I wish more people were sharing the various unexpected game mechanics they find, but everyone gets to make their own choice.

[mellow carbon]

Nope. Happens in beyond as well. I assume also Meso.

[amber canyon]

Any of the other Sims (or any combo) to primary does it afaik.

[fallen sand]

Pretty unavoidable then

[amber canyon]

For me I feel the exploit is when you then decide to leave the game open in another sim to capitalise from it.

Which I do.

[mellow carbon]

Yes, and to me it's also weird since get server to give you time of reboot and then calculate delta is simpler code.

[mellow carbon]

Yea, that seems a bit weird, I was doing it a little, but you get the same effect from running an auto-clicker which they've explicitly said is ok.

[fallen sand]

Autoclickers boost sim time?

[mellow carbon]

Not directly, but if you sit an autoclicker in {beyond, meso, event} then when you return to primary you'll get the 2x boost.

[fallen sand]

Oh, sure, but that happens without the autoclicker, no?

[mellow carbon]

Correct.

[fallen sand]

I guess I don't see the relevance of teh autoclicker 🤷‍♀️

[amber canyon]

It's just auto click players are much more likely to benefit from it (inadvertently).

[fallen sand]

I agree The problem is that this is also a 'good faith' play pattern

[mellow carbon]

Devs explicitly said auto-clicker = ok. So if you do what they said was ok, you are forced to take advantage of the 2x time glitch.