💬-cells-chat

[swift heron]

i just remember the suffix that im currently at

and see if the upgrade has the same suffix

literally just 2-3 letters that you can see instantly

[desert flax]

well it's of no use

[tall mirage]

So basically if a random suffix drops with a new glitch, you have no clue what the actual cost of it is

you just tapping

[swift heron]

wdym random suffix drops with a new glitch

[desert flax]

Sxtg, Uqag, and others: are we a joke to you?

[gloomy jacinth]

Can we reverse entropy ?

[swift heron]

you added 1 more letter so now it's 4
is that seriously going to make it any more complex than scientific

scientific is a ton more complicated

[desert flax]

don't forget Qaqag

[tall mirage]

You're at e100 entropy and the cost of a new upgrade is e130 entropy, basically you have no way of knowing how far away from it you are

[swift heron]

i dont need to know how far away from it i am

all i know is im just far away

[tall mirage]

I need to, so scientific is easily superior

[desert flax]

that's like 1 googol to like 10 trequadragintillion

[tall mirage]

I wanna calculate how many days away I am from a particular upgrade and normal is just BAD

[gloomy jacinth]

I don't get people not choosing E notation E1x10=E2 E2X10=E3 E3x10=E4 ..... And that's it.

[polar viper]

massive skill issue bro
how can u not understand numbers beyond 10?

[tall mirage]

custom is still fine upto a certain number, but later on... like SUgar said it'll be tragic lol

[tall mirage]

Yea lmao

[fluid delta]

the email is whatever email address you want associated with your cells account. The password is a password you invent for cells. You’ll then need to upload your save, then go to the other device, enter in the same email and password, but download your save this time. Easy!

[gloomy jacinth]

How could you compare easily if each time you have to remember how to calculate or just to know how many 0 there is

[swift heron]

and how do you think that having to caluclate a number is easier than just looking at the number's suffix

[desert flax]

once you get high enough custom becomes AAAAA, BBBBB, CCCCC and so on

[fluid delta]

And yeah, Scientific is great for when you want to compare with other people, or do math. Custom (IMO) is best when actually playing the game, though ofc some others disagree

[tall mirage]

It's good for now, but they have stuff planned upto E300/s for entropy, imagine AAAAAA showing up in your bar, won't that feel clunky?

[polar viper]

the suffix tells nothing about the number. you dont know how much zeros it got. you cnat compare 2 of them.
scientific notation you can.
without scientific notation you would not be able to see, that you are not half way to lvl 63.
no you are around 2% of the way.

[desert flax]

and maybe even 7A
AAAAAAA

[swift heron]

neither scientific nor custom are good
custom takes up too much space and seeing the same letter doesnt make it actually feel worth anything

[fluid delta]

A bit, but not a huge deal

[fluid delta]

that’s totally a “you” thing. Normal is.. well, at anything above trillions, it’s just stupid.

[tall mirage]

Idt the bar will even be able to display it later on I feel, let's see

[swift heron]

that's in special cases like RL where it jumps up more than 1 group

[fluid delta]

Yeah, idk.. they might revert to Scientific at that point, we shall see

[gloomy jacinth]

Lol A A B B c .... Okay maybe I don't know it's for American people again, then stick to imperial etc .... You don't think about other people on earth, using different alphabets, and just trying to have the same reference when talking about more precise important stuff

And it's the same for trillion quintillion I don't know whateverillion, it doesn't translate in other languages

[tall mirage]

THey have nodes upto || 1e100 knowledge/metabit || from what I saw

[desert flax]

as an incrementalist I can read very large suffixes like Stg

[tall mirage]

Yea prolly

[fluid delta]

No, Normal is just bad. You have to look it up to know what it even means, most of the time.

[swift heron]

like the 4th time i even say this, who cares about how big a number is

[polar viper]

you cant tell me, that basic maths is harder to understand than random fricking letters.
this is rage bait.

[fluid delta]

bc that’s central to how the game works, that’s why

[swift heron]

how the hell am i ragebaiting

[desert flax]

||I played c2s and tescoo taught me how to access those nodes||

[warm lodge]

🍿

[tall mirage]

Nice, well they will change it later on for sure

[polar viper]

u prefer random gibberish letter combinations over a simple number

[tall mirage]

We barely upto E28 rn

[swift heron]

so basically what you're saying is
having 2 upgrades, one E213 and one E215
is easier than having 2 upgrades, one 1Sx and one 100sx?

[fluid delta]

Play how you want, Mark.. but you aren’t going to convince us.

[swift heron]

you prefer having to do math instead of just taking a glance at the number for less than a millisecond

[gloomy jacinth]

Sx mean sex ?

[swift heron]

sextillion 😭

[desert flax]

tillion

[polar viper]

yes because you would never know that e213 is sx in the first place

[swift heron]

this is just basic knowledge in any incremental

[desert flax]

frick the ping was too huge

[fluid delta]

interpreting takes way longer than that. If you want quick, use Custom or Sci

[polar viper]

u shouldnt skip school so much

[gloomy jacinth]

I know that between 213 and 215 it's 2

[swift heron]

i dont skip school at all what am i a criminal

it's literally illegal in egypt

[desert flax]

I have no problem with normal or sci

[swift heron]

and i know that to get 100sx i just need to get more sx

[polar viper]

not using scientific notation should be, too.
im calling your president rn

[desert flax]

the only thing I'm not good at is custom

[fluid delta]

Play as you want, Mark, but I still think Normal is not worth using in this game

[gloomy jacinth]

10x10 ok it's easy 100 but when it's like E50 to E500 it's easier to just use 10

[desert flax]

due to my years of playing incrementals I know numberspeak like sextrigintillion or quinquadragintillion

[polar viper]

my condolences

[swift heron]

see like a number like E213 and E215
that's just 2 eros difference
but between 1sx and 100sx you can already see the amount of difference between them without even having to do anything

[desert flax]

100 zeros?!

[gloomy jacinth]

Maybe it's because some of us are more language and text related and others are more maths and numbers

[desert flax]

THAT'S A GOOGOL YOU'RE ADDING BUDDY

[gloomy jacinth]

I could understand both but right now maths is easier and faster for me

[swift heron]

you just said difference between each E was 10
so 2 Es would be 2 zeroes

sorry got it mixed up a little

[fluid delta]

You might be bad at basic math, Mark. That’s ok. We don’t mind!

[swift heron]

alright bro now that's just ragebait

[desert flax]

E213 to 215 is 100x, 2 0s

[gloomy jacinth]

Also maybe one method is easier for close numbers and other better when you think with too much 0000 after your number

[fluid delta]

chuckles.. perhaps, but you keep making this an issue. Stop fighting about it and I’ll certainly stop too

[swift heron]

you'd seriously rather have to do a whole equation instead of just seeing the difference between 2 numbers directly and instantly

[fluid delta]

Like see: right there you are ragebating. Stop it.

[desert flax]

when the equation is 120-117 or something

[swift heron]

how is it ragebait

[fluid delta]

Or trolling, or wtf ever you want to call it. STOP…

[swift heron]

HOW am i trolling or ragebaiting

[fluid delta]

Dude. Stop.

[gloomy jacinth]

I'm ok to say when you have to compare something less than a billion or trillion between your numbers it's easy with the same suffix, but when it's E500 difference no.... It's hard

[desert flax]

look what I'm planning

[swift heron]

im not even trying to ragebait or troll 😭 🙏

[fluid delta]

Anyway, stop or not, I’m out of this convo. If you end up getting RL upset about it, I won’t be sympathetic

[polar viper]

you see 213 and 215. difference is 2. easy math. 2 zeros = 100 dif. the calculations can to some elementat school kid.
and if you see 173 and 215 its the same lvl of simplicity.
try doing that with normal notation (aka you wont be able to)

[swift heron]

difference between 1sx and 100sx

also 2 zeros

[polar viper]

difference between dsfhg andn iweiur

[swift heron]

done instantly without even having to look

[desert flax]

well how about 1sx and 10oc

[gloomy jacinth]

Anyways we are just different and don't like the same things ... In all domains so...

[swift heron]

dont have to know
all i need to know is that THAT number is out of the current range i am in

[swift heron]

what i just said

[polar viper]

you wont even be able to see whats bigger. its just ass system

[desert flax]

you serious? the jump from 1sx to 10oc is 2 ZEROS?!

[swift heron]

im literally in 8th grade and scientific notation doesnt even use the letter E at all it's just x10

[swift heron]

no
but what i meant is i dont need to know how big the difference is

[tall mirage]

Mark ain't stopping, the others in the convo, y'all are wasting your time
You won't convince him

[swift heron]

all i know is that it's out of the current currency range that im in

[fluid delta]

Ah, a literal kid in a country that does badly in scholastic achievement. NOW i understand.

[desert flax]

I like to waste time, it's my personality

[polar viper]

"x"e"y" is just shortcut for x * 10^y

[swift heron]

it's just yall are saying nonsense
how is doing a whole equation simpler than ALREADY SEEING THE DIFFERENCE

[swift heron]

ok now that's just racism

[fluid delta]

That’s not what racism is.

[polar viper]

you can see the difference in scientific notation too instantly, but even for numbers bigger than x 10 difference

[swift heron]

you're implying that because im in egypt which is known for dumb people id also be like them

[desert flax]

WELL THEN WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 1TG AND 40QAQAG

[swift heron]

why are we even changing topic

[fluid delta]

No, that is not the implication. If you take it that way, you are wanting an excuse to be offended.

[swift heron]

and those numbers that have bigger than x10 and x100 differences arent found normally in events

only found with RL

[warm lodge]

4 min left in the exploration.

[desert flax]

see serenity

[gloomy jacinth]

The game is logarithmic no ? Does X10 system not the best with log usage ?

[swift heron]

im not even offended i was just pointing out that i thought it was racism

[desert flax]

it has an x100001 upgrade

[gloomy jacinth]

I mean it's easier than other log calc

[swift heron]

what

[fluid delta]

Fair enough. Now you know it isn’t that.

[gloomy jacinth]

Népérien log I just remember the name now, school was long time ago 😅

[swift heron]

also the reason i got confused with 2 zeros and 100x (accidently said it was 100 zeroes) earlier is because im literally trying to play a game mid conversation

since this didnt appear to be going anywhere

and yall kept repeating the same reasons for scientific notation

[gloomy jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/maths-mathematics-functions-dancing-gif-5498965443155325063

[polar viper]

i mean you keep rejecting logic
how to argue else?

[swift heron]

your only benefit for using scientific notation is that you can see the difference between E213 and E217
but i literally dont care about the difference between each group in normal notation, i just see that its a different group and put it for later

[polar viper]

your only argument is, that cells is simple enough in events, so the crappy system is still bearable

[swift heron]

big numbers like E213 and above are only in RL
literally everything else uses normal numbers with the differences in them being 1-2 zeros or a whole different group (3 zeros)

[fluid delta]

There we go: Top 9 in an event I completed Day 1 and then totally ignored until maybe 2 hours ago. Nice!

[rotund wedge]

I'm on Exinction 10, but I still haven't gotten any Saurischia cards/traits yet. Am I just really unlucky, or is there something I need to do to unlock them?
I have a few Saurischia in both this and my previous extinction run.

[polar viper]

the power of lots of badges im top 25 with regular gaming

[fluid delta]

heh yep!! For sure!

[tall mirage]

You finished CL 2 by the time it ended?

[fluid delta]

Yes. Was in early CL3

[gloomy jacinth]

I have one example, when I buy the highest generator then all of the others, I can compare the prices directly, and I can know that I don't need to bother with one generator, I can see where I am in the list directly because it's not a lot of different letters just simple numbers

[tall mirage]

Ah makes sense

[gloomy jacinth]

So I can avoid making a mistake directly

[fluid delta]

Held off a +200 until the last seconds bc I was in rank 10, and. yknow..

[gloomy jacinth]

Anyway use what is the best for you and what you prefer I don't care 😸 and have a good night/day

[swift heron]

see THAT is why normal is much better than scientific

like i dont understand how you think comparing the prices of generator with scientific is easier

like you just said in that sentence using normal for that is much better

[amber canyon]

Yup, leave him and al the other normal and custom people in the dark ages if they want to be there 🙂.

[tall mirage]

Good to see you're alive

[swift heron]

"in the dark ages" 🥀

[frigid adder]

Div #11

[swift heron]

yall are glazing scientific way too much

[frigid adder]

I'm cooked

[swift heron]

i got division 17 last time

[tall mirage]

why did u even join lol

[swift heron]

you're cooked asl

[frigid adder]

Top 250 at best

[frigid adder]

To get my Logits

[tall mirage]

I mean rn and not 2 days later

[frigid adder]

I can still get to c2 easily

[gray tapir]

hallo

[frigid adder]

So I can research farm

[frigid adder]

Hi

[amber canyon]

Yeah, just not much to say about the game atm 😐

[tall mirage]

don't want top 10?

[frigid adder]

• I'm pretty sure it's easier to push at the early stages of the event

[tall mirage]

How was E29 for u? How many BH u opened lol

[frigid adder]

Top 10 is a pipe dream 4 me

[tall mirage]

If u join 24-48 hrs before it ends, it's not....

[frigid adder]

That seems kinda counter intuitive to me

Completing quests gives me a dopamine boost

[gray tapir]

@frigid adder i sent u friend request

[frigid adder]

I sent you a wave sticker

[amber canyon]

Not really started it yet. Having a busy week, and want to try enjoy it. Maybe Saturday? Or about 20 mins on Saturday?

[polar viper]

as new player its still hard
luck bases kinda. sometimes you end in a sweat division, sometimes not.
0 badges for an event just hard. and i start always 24-48h later

[tall mirage]

Well depends on your goal

[gray tapir]

Me too

[tall mirage]

oh, well you're definitely gonna max it out instantly
Atleast you'll get 30+ DW along the way

[tall mirage]

It's not about just joining 24-48 hrs earlier, that's the 1st step, u gotta log in every 1000s if u have no badges

[amber canyon]

I was hoping to use E29 to farm some of the lower intergalactic trait cards so I can rank them all to 9, but doesn't seem to be working like that - the games just giving me any stage 2 cards (to E28 anyway).

[polar viper]

i know, i know. i was in div 233 and half way in challenge 3, no chance. other week same tactic, same time worked. its just lucky or not

[tall mirage]

... yea that's a pity, depends on how many BH u open tho

[fierce comet]

Hey, did something changed in the leaderboard system?

[tall mirage]

Huh, for the last 2 months every time I joined event that time and played consistently, I ez got top 10 just by completing CL 2
Only exception is Deep

[frigid adder]

Ye, I think it's easier to push through the leaderboard, it's like an empty heaven gate, or a hot knife to butter

[fluid delta]

Top 10 was easy this past event. I didn’t even bother playing for almost all of it

[amber canyon]

Yeah, it's just super slow collecting the lower episode ones. Even more rare than gold trait cards from White Dwarfs!

[polar viper]

u probably have at least a few badges. already makes a big difference. or your timing is a bit better. i will continue probing for better timeslots

[tall mirage]

Lol true, atleast I have all series I and II cards at lvl 6, haven't taken them higher as it'll cost 80k dark matter just to take all my series II cards to lvl 7

[frigid adder]

Colonization of Theia tree when?

[tall mirage]

A few yea, but most events is 3-6 badges

[polar viper]

gives me hope to be able to farm top10 soon too consistently
on the other hand i just finished meso and beyond, now top10 is worth a lot less for me

[tall mirage]

I mean just save BH now for E30

I opened the BH I got from Deep from the supercluster silver card

[amber canyon]

It passes the time 😁. Ofc when/if Beyond prestige happens I will regret spending all my Dark Matter on pointless things 🤣

Level 6bis pretty good though. And tbh no need to get more...

[amber canyon]

It started being reliably likely for me to get top 10 at 3-6 badges. If that helps at all 🙂.

[tall mirage]

There's still no concrete idea for Prestige, let's see how it'll treat us

I basically decided to spend dark matter as long as I keep it below 6 digits

[amber canyon]

It's almost certainly going to be a while. I like the idea of Beyond prestige unlocking the ||Martian colonist|| branch. Maybe that's the lore the Devs are thinking of - and why they disabled them.

[tall mirage]

Yup it's possible, for the time being excited for the upcoming updates of mollusk and ind rev 2

Should be Feb and march respectively

[amber canyon]

And getting an empty run finished?

Or did you manage that already?

[tall mirage]

Yea it's done, onto my 2nd one now

[amber canyon]

Mines on 17.5 days

[tall mirage]

planning to complete a 2nd one before mollusks to have enough metabits in the bank for buying upgrades

[tall mirage]

You can definitely finish your run over this weekend then

For reference, Seph had 5.44E31 knowledge, Gavel got 3.03E31 Knowledge and I got 2.57E29
Curious to see how much you manage

[amber canyon]

Probably. Maybe some deliberate time slip needed? I have a spare phone now (needed to get a new one) so I could leave it running ...

[tall mirage]

could leave it running 24/7 at a desk then

[next veldt]

It says it will generate after 12 mins but then here its over an hour??

[amber canyon]

Mines gonna be lower! I sorta stopped about 5 weeks ago.

[tall mirage]

Yea, that's why curious lol

[amber canyon]

Still not got Cortex Cluster 🤣

[fluid delta]

Same

[amber canyon]

Where did it say after 12 mins?

[tall mirage]

1st img says 222 units after 12m 10s

[tall mirage]

Nice, let's see how long until Mollusk

[amber canyon]

Doh! I'm clearly tired. Some long work days this week ....

[tall mirage]

mid-Feb is current estimation Ig

atleast u can relax over the weekend hopefully

[amber canyon]

There will be nice cheeses, lots of cups of tea and nothing I need to do. Yay!

[tall mirage]

pleasant indeed

[warm lodge]

Hm, I entered the deep sea explore the last day. But unlike other times I found it very hard to stay in the top 10. I had to boost around 10 times or so and still I ended at position 10. I never had it this hard in recent months.

I guess my div just had boosting players just like I did.

[amber canyon]

I started Deep 3h25m before the end (div 293). Got top 10 1 hour before the end. Then dozed off for 40 mins, down to 15th. Reclaimed top 10 (just), but got sniped in the last minute (predictably).

[worn dirge]

-beyond E29 spoiler-

Ggs, that was fun

[fluid delta]

I wish i could remember what div I was in, but it was like 217 or thereabouts

[tall mirage]

I was in 220s but had to complete CL3 to enter top 10

[fluid delta]

I think I attained 10 late in CL2

[amber canyon]

Ii mainly find it interesting because I usually start events so late - gives me an idea of how many active players, and how it fluctuates 🙂.

[warm lodge]

I was in 255 or something.

[tall mirage]

So game has 200-300 thousand active players?

[warm lodge]

Getting close to takeoff.

[amber canyon]

For comparison, the last Deep (finished 27 Nov) I was div 322 (starting 2h before the end).

[tall mirage]

Nicee, just 9 hrs and some mins awayy

[polar viper]

probably some more dont bothering with events at all

[limpid shale]

How can i get this?

[tall mirage]

Possible yea

[tall mirage]

future updates

[limpid shale]

Okay

[polar viper]

[limpid shale]

Hahahahaha

I'm lvl 73

[warm lodge]

Someone got a sale offer in the future I guess.

[limpid shale]

Yeeeeeees

Of course

[polar viper]

someone living in year 2009

[tall mirage]

💀 17 yrs

[warm lodge]

Oh, but I also see a red question mark.

[amber canyon]

Don't forget this too

[warm lodge]

We all know what that means.

[frigid adder]

CHEATER!

[polar viper]

yeah whats that?

[limpid shale]

I mean. I spent like 400€ for the game

[amber canyon]

The game has noticed them messing with their devices time. Welcome to div 666 ...

[limpid shale]

What does that means

[polar viper]

start the event and look here

[amber canyon]

You will likely be put into div 666 whenever you play events. Along with the other cheaters.

And will be exiled to the cheater leaderboard.

[limpid shale]

Okay 😅

[warm lodge]

Division 666 is if the game detects that a player cheated or hacked. Then for the exploration events, they are placed in a separate division with other players suspected of the same. Players there still can play and win, but because they compete with hackers, it will be extremely hard to reach the top 10.

Like: Impossible with normal gameplay.

[limpid shale]

Its fine😅

[amber canyon]

Not sure how quickly it happens - think the Devs are retuning the anti-cheat detection.

[tall mirage]

What's the highest CL someone has reached legitimately? I'm guessing 6

[polar viper]

false positives would be a problem but never read of anyone complain here

[limpid shale]

Can we talk bout other things? I did this cause i wont break my fingers while tiping

[warm lodge]

You can still play normally when detected as cheater. And it may be possible that innocent players are detected.

Support can help you get out in that case.

[limpid shale]

Do i want get out?

[amber canyon]

Oh ... They do. And often claim they didn't mean to cheat. After all, how were they supposed to know it was cheating?

[limpid shale]

I mean if u change ur date to year 2100 its obvious

[polar viper]

ofc i dont mean the usual "i didnt do anything 😇 " people

[warm lodge]

But that 6180D is a big red flag that it was no accidental thingie.

But it is a singleplayer game. You hurt nobody when you are detected as cheater.

[limpid shale]

True

[warm lodge]

You just do not appear in the leaderboard and get a hard time to win explorations.

[smoky kayak]

Guys I’m only 3.3k Darwinium away from getting all the upgrades

[warm lodge]

If you want to get rid of it, load savegame from before the time manipulation to get rid of the red question mark,

[limpid shale]

Guys. Can we talk now bout other things? Its little bit too much bout a thing that isnt that big

[warm lodge]

Fine. But talking about waiting for my time crystal is a bit boring.

[amber canyon]

It'd almost certainly been in Deep or Webb. The 2 shortest events. And Webb's the oldest too. I reckon an auto clicker player with max badges could finish them in 1-1.5 h. So .. double time for each CL ... 2.6 - 4 days to finish CL6.

[tall mirage]

Finishing CL6 Yea Ig it's possible in webb
Deep idk

[polar viper]

i need 4 more days

[amber canyon]

On the 6th time I did those (no pass, but ad boosts) it took me 2h35 for Webb, 2h for Deep. For me, Deep is quicker. Others seem to find Webb quicker. They've both been run a fair few times - 19 and 25 I think.

[amber canyon]

Reminder that there are codes (the wiki has the best current list).

And a fair few people found that they could claim them again last month. Not everybody, We don't know why. But might be worth checking.

https://cell-to-singularity.fandom.com/wiki/Codes

[smoky kayak]

I’ve been doing the codes. Honestly I’m not complaining, as darwinium isn’t actually that rare

[amber canyon]

Damn. Thought I'd follow my own advice. I get to claim them for the third time???

[polar viper]

I should try too
These Idea/entropy/modern incremental upgrades are expensive

[smoky kayak]

Only thing I don’t like is the /30 upgrades because by the end it will be like 39 darwinium for a 1.05 increase to production

[polar viper]

Yep definitly keep them for last to max out

[wary iron]

For gods sake will 73 ever end?

[fluid delta]

Yes. Once Mollusks update comes out in a few weeks, you'll probably able to get to 74.. is my assumption

[wary iron]

Thanks, I hope so. I thought I was stuck in it lol

[rugged heart]

Well Im stuck on level 59, not going anywhere atp

[fluid delta]

73 is almost effective cap.. probably you have a fair bit of company there 🙂

[wary iron]

I don't remember 59 but we had a bug at 70 and they fixed it.

[fluid delta]

I don't remember 59 being problematic in any way

[amber canyon]

I think the entropy nerf hit players around your level especially hard. Hopefully will be better next update?

[fluid delta]

ah that could be

[wary iron]

Ah yes, it is all about the missin 70th level I think

[polar viper]

Everything beyond 70 or 71 once mollusks hit is a just a nice bonus anyways.

[wary iron]

I am disappointed by the Beyond update. Was expecting a bigger one which would make us work hard for a while

[rugged heart]

well Ive seen other people play e29, Im just on e23, working my way up.

[fluid delta]

kinda hard when we had a year to improve our Beyond 28 stuff

[dry cairn]

Something definitely changed today and it doesnt seem to be working normally.

[amber canyon]

I think they had to design it for future players who haven't had 10 months to save up for it 😬

Having said that, it seems light on generators.

[wary iron]

Yeah I mean 29. We have three new superstructures and thats all.

[wary iron]

I don't even check leaderboard lol. Im at 73. At which level is the first?

[fluid delta]

leaderboard is messed up

realistic non-cheater, non-beta/alpha level is probably 74 or 75 as max RL

[wary iron]

Oh, cheaters?

[fluid delta]

Yes

[amber canyon]

I'm at position 1266 on the beta leaderboard, at RL 67. Can't remember what I was before.

[wary iron]

Any tools to clean the cheaters? I really hate people who are not able to play even a game without cheating geez

[fluid delta]

No, no tools. Just gotta ignore. The leaderboard has always been messed up anyway, ignore it.

[wary iron]

I have never checked leaderboard, I think I am a bit too individual. I mean, we can't communicate through the game, no social environtment so I just focuss on my development.
And why not banning them?

[amber canyon]

I think there is (was) some auto-detection. Having said that, I think people used to report leaderboard cheaters in a channel somewhere... Maybe it was bug reporting ... And they'd get removed from the leaderboard.

It was obvious when we had the 'see top 200'. button if someone had hacked themselves to the top. Harder if not at the top, and without that button.

[wary iron]

Developers should ban them.

[dry cairn]

Saw this oddity today. Max possible number of badges is in the 800's.

[amber canyon]

Dev philosophy? Just moved them to the cheater leaderboard. Similar to events div 666.

[amber canyon]

There is a glitch ...

[wary iron]

Im sorry I couldn't follow. Not a native speaker.

[white egret]

they could lower the reqs for getting on the cheater leaderboard too honestly, think itd catch way more of them

[amber canyon]

The Devs could ban cheaters. They chose not to. They just set up a leaderboard and event division for those identified as cheaters.

So cheaters can still play. But not in a way that interferes with players who don't cheat.

(Sorry for my comment not being clear).

[white egret]

also like the only one that catches cheaters is the darwin one, so just put more cheat detection around darwin and itll be good

[wary iron]

Hmm, seems like that. I wonder whether the developers get money from the cheaters. I mean, there should be a reason to keep them in the board.

[white egret]

active player count would be higher, so better stats

[amber canyon]

I'm pretty sure the cheat detection was better before the reboot. Probably just needs work.

[wary iron]

*get money through buying items

[white egret]

i think they should focus on the time skip detection, its the main way people cheat because it takes the least amount of effort

[amber canyon]

I like to think that the Devs think the cheaters can still learn cool stuff from the game if they don't ban them.

[white egret]

ofc its an arms race then but itll stop most of them

[wary iron]

Perhaps, but still they should protect the honest players. And I don't think the cheaters learn things. They just auto-click.

[white egret]

i dont think many honest players have been hit by the cheat detection

[white egret]

autoclickers are allowed?

[wary iron]

How can they cheat if no auto click? I don't know another way.

[frigid adder]

Changing their time

[polar viper]

Cheat engine, time shenenigans, stuff like that

[white egret]

if a person changes their computer time to be in the future, they get all the gains from the offline

<@&535129309648781332> scam

got it first

[polar viper]

Hey

[hollow haven]

!ban 688543753874571461 scam

[amber canyon]

Depends what sort of cheater. If it's curiosity, then that's how people learn ... What happens if I do this ... ?

But I agree about moving them to a separate leaderboard and div.

[frigid adder]

Mb

[bright otter]

Banned lorento_._ (Case #4205) (user notified with a direct message)

[amber canyon]

Was that Epic?

[white egret]

anyway people mostly cheat by changing their computer time to the future, so they get all the gains from that time frame

[polar viper]

If you get me yeeted i will haunt you ingame

[wary iron]

Oh god I knew just the autoclicking.

[frigid adder]

Chat went at the speed of light and made me trip up

[white egret]

autoclicking is allowed tho

there are many ways to cheat but autoclicking isnt one of them

aideny list "how to cheat"

[wary iron]

It is also a means of cheating. Shouldn't be allowed

[white egret]

it can be a cheat, but only in games were it is considered cheating

but here is not one of those places

[wary iron]

:/

[white egret]

you dont have to use autoclickers

[wary iron]

Wait, do we mean the same thing by "autoclicking"? I mean endless tapping. Not that little casper things

[frigid adder]

All the ways to cheat (that I know of):
||Changing you time||
||Data mining||
||Altering save files||

[white egret]

i mean using a program outside of the game that can click for you

like im using autohotkey

[amber canyon]

From the wiki Hints and Tips. Interesting - they changed the wording in the last month

[white egret]

||game modifications||
||console commands||
||packet spoofing? (havent tested)||

[wary iron]

Just my own opinion, any interruption outside of the game should be illegal.

[white egret]

youre allowed that opinion but we'll dissagree with you

[wary iron]

You are allowed to disagree lol 🌹

[polar viper]

I tested one a bit and tbh i dont see a big difference.
Like in events the offline + double bonus is usually more or at least nearly the same as autoclicker

[white egret]

lol

[amber canyon]

I don't use auto clickers myself. It's fine. Some people do.

[white egret]

i let it run over night with an autoclicker for extra stuff

[wary iron]

I play on mobile.

[white egret]

actually we can prob calculate how fast you should click to get above a % gain

[wary iron]

I sometimes tap with my 5 fingertips lol

[stable flint]

Hello? First time write here! Do we have active codes?

[white egret]

you can find the codes by writting /codes in #🎮-bot-room

[stable flint]

Where can I find them?

TY!

[white egret]

np

oh i finally got lvl 70 last night

[stable flint]

I haven't been in the game for like, over six months. Time to find out what surprises await me.

[amber canyon]

I think for people with larger quantities of badges, auto clickers are more effective in events than the offline boost. Eyeballing it, prob at around the 150-200% range is when it changes.

[wary iron]

Enjoy it! 73 is a pain in the ss.

[polar viper]

OK i tested with 0, but in cl2/3. Maybe thats impacting it too, idk.

[amber canyon]

So, at around that level is when I can often get 2 upgrades in a short offline stint. It'd make sense that autoclicking would be faster at that point. To me. But not tested.

[polar viper]

Only time it was kinda nice is during nanobots, because u stuck waiting anyways. But too much hassle
Ironically im too lazy for autoclicker

[wary iron]

Also, only two constallations things to use the stars and no augments to use those brown lego things. Have tons of them for nothing.

[polar viper]

Depending how much stuff u hoard, no update will have u work hard
But yeah e29 is a shorter one

[wary iron]

Could be a better one. Btw, I wonder whether they plan something for Mesozoic Valley.

[polar viper]

I fear thats done

[white egret]

meso was older so it isnt as good as beyond

[polar viper]

Would be cool to have more dinos tho

[frigid adder]

Prob, bc why else would they have another slot for a booster?

[white egret]

and i dont think they plan an upgrade of it soon

theyll prob do the rev 2 stuff first and maybe beyond 30?

[wary iron]

They can start by improving the graphics. Dinos seem like origami ones lol

[polar viper]

That i wondered, too, but could also be a knowledge/metabit booster

[frigid adder]

If it was for re, then why isn't there multiple slots?

[polar viper]

I would gladly take a meso update, ngl

Prestige grind gave me over 1k darwinium
I can always use more

[wary iron]

I love Mesozoic. Can be the most egzotic part of the game if they use their imagination.

[coral crow]

Ow, bad division roll this time

[polar viper]

u are first from the back

[warm lodge]

I always start at 1000 lately. Probably because I wait rather than play immediately join the event at start.

[coral crow]

Not so much the rank (I just started the event) but division #67

Within the first 100

[prime vale]

aideny check dms

wait what

my 2025 recap thing is gone

noo

[white egret]

we're past half janurary dude

[mellow carbon]

Yea, it's almost 2025!

[coral crow]

What do you mean ... Clearly it's the 7th year of 2020

-# I can math, promise

[outer hull]

Why did I just go up 13,000 places on the leaderboard?

[scarlet meteor]

just how many research notes are locked behind planets and dino lvls? i got 40+ research notes not unlocked in the ideas tree and I'm research lvl 54

[rough axle]

some are coming in future updates

heres a list of everything https://docs.google.com/document/d/12h5b3juWPDlNOyIjaby_V42Fohj3qILDbYglm2o2nf4

[scarlet meteor]

is that the reason why it feels like my atomic, information emergent age have so many not unlocked

[rough axle]

correct

industrial revolution, atomic age, information age, and emergent age will get updates in the coming months

[fluid delta]

bc the leaderboard doesn’t work properly, and I assume never has

[white egret]

their leaderboard is extra weird cause its not sorting by xp

wait a second i think someone at CL fucked up the leaderboard

[dry cairn]

Oh. I see now

[white egret]

i think its sorting by level now???

[dry cairn]

Its looking at only the starting digits and ignoring the eXXX level.

[white egret]

everytime i open the leaderboard it seems to change my position

wait really

oh they fucked up bad

[outer hull]

Can it be fixed? I'm pretty sure i'm quite high on it

[white egret]

thats so funny hope they can fix that

i think theyre sorting level first then mantissa

[scarlet meteor]

ok cool then, gues ill just keep working on my dino and planets lvl then

[dry cairn]

It was normal yesterday, whatever they changed today broke it.

[white egret]

actually due to this bug theres some good data collection that can be done

[dry cairn]

True

[white egret]

im going on my 2nd profile to get counts of how many people have each level

[dry cairn]

We do always like more info

[white egret]

ok ill write it all out in a text doc then do counting

i do know from prev testing there is like 600k on the main leaderboard? something like thjat

ok it seems that some stuff has changed cause its now 75k? some other stuff must be going on

[dry cairn]

Maybe it also did a full reset and is only adding people as they log onto the game?

[white egret]

no with my xp at 0 im at the bottom of every level

seems theres something odd with how the leaderboard is right now

(number is NOT how many people are that level, its how many are that level or above)

like 63-48 people are exactly level 74, and 475-63 are level 73

these numbers are def wrong tho, maybe treat it more as a population %

[dry cairn]

These numbers do seem too low. There's a good 2500 people that are 73+ according to the leaderboard prior to today.

[white egret]

yeah ithink its only those who had logged on after the bug

ill still use it as a %

[blazing tide]

aint no way

[white egret]

rough plot

0 was like 76k

[dry cairn]

It implies the majority of active players are 71 or 72, which honestly sounds correct to me.

[white egret]

or ig 1, level 0 is impossible in normal play

[white shadow]

it would be so good if they added like the eiffel tower to the modern garden

as like a trophy or something

[rough axle]

open the menu that shows you the upcoming events and scroll down

[white egret]

the adjusted graph looks even worse

this is exact amount per level

[dry cairn]

Until they fix this, We can see how much that 75k number jumps up each day as more people log on.

[worn dirge]

👏

[fluid delta]

you are making progress, good job!

[worn dirge]

Haha, thanks!

Only missing sharkweek achievement 🦈

[viral breach]

am I on the beta leaderboard? can I leave?

[frigid adder]

Ye

[warm lodge]

Last tick has tocked.

[dry cairn]

Let us know how many GE's worth you get 😃

[bitter sonnet]

1221635680736907418
ingrid_khh
Have you Played this game-scam
C2S Discord

<@&535129309648781332>

[fluid delta]

Congrats!! What did you earn on completion of the run?

[warm lodge]

Ty! The earnings so far

[fluid delta]

Nice!!!

[warm lodge]

I got one fill accidentally when the game booted me out of the exploration (time was over) when I got nanobots active. :p

[fluid delta]

you did very well, even so!!

[warm lodge]

Yeah, I don't like the gameplay of this, but boy, is it effective.

[fluid delta]

mmhmm!

[warm lodge]

Instant Graviton Expansion several times over.

[fluid delta]

Indeed! It’s a nice feeling!

[warm lodge]

Still flat empty 73 tho. :p

[fluid delta]

Heh well.. the XP needed changed, so yeah.. Mine hasn’t moved from start at 74, either!

[white egret]

im happy i got into lvl 70 post update cause i have instanter gratification

[sacred fog]

Do we know what this card is yet?

[faint cosmos]

Void?

[sacred fog]

I already have all my local void cards, and the research mission done too. Honestly thought I had everything done, so I was confused

[steady dune]

||Superstructure ||

[sacred fog]

||ah okay. So it's like one of the silver or gold cards that you rarely get then?||

[warm lodge]

Yes, rare card.

[steady dune]

I only have it lv2

[warm lodge]

Black holes is the quickest way to get them. If you want: Save before you purchase one. Then take a black hole. And if you don't get this rare card then just load and try again.

[sacred fog]

Funny I just opened one because of the daily reward thing. I'm still spending all of my darwinium cubes on main game stuff lol.

[obsidian rock]

.

does anyone know how i can speed up my mesozoic valley progression

im at 49

[polar viper]

I wonder how much the metabit dif is with daily login rewards active.

[polar viper]

Skip the last geode
Otherwise just wait. It gets way faster in prestige mode.

Obviously you could open geodes, but its not really a rush. Best to open gold/diamond ones at 50 tho

[frigid grail]

Does someone know if this is intended?

Something tells me no

[steady dune]

It's 1,000 but here uses . for replacing ,
-# or just a bug

[tulip geyser]

Photobombed by a comet

[spare crane]

Brilliant! Got more or less the same effect

[white egret]

yeah its meant to be 1000 i think they fixed it in 43_04 tho?

[rain rain]

yeah, it's a bug. Similar to the knowledge crystal 1

[rain rain]

no, it's not

[white egret]

ah dang

[rain rain]

and 1000.000 looks amusing too

[white egret]

nah the leading zeros show its precision

its the same with the chambers

like its just to tell you it has an extra 3 digits of precision

[rapid sandal]

are the exploration events finished at this point

[white egret]

i think theyre still planning some, altho we cant know for sure

last i checked there were 17? so some good variety

[rain rain]

was last one added cheese or AI?

[rapid sandal]

cheese got released 9 months ago

[white egret]

hold on ill check the steam page

it was infact cheese

[rain rain]

quite recently

[rapid sandal]

feels weird they stopped doing that for how long

[rain rain]

RE stuff

[white egret]

AI was jan 2025, cheese was april same year

[white egret]

and beyond, and the new primary update

but yeah they did nothing besides patches between cheese and the first RE alpha

[rapid sandal]

i do wish theyd continue doing monthly drops on primary sim for probably a couple of months

[silver oasis]

Hey, is it normal that Metabit production is significantly less than Knowledge?

[rapid sandal]

this was the timing of all updates from the last two years

[white egret]

i mean RE was a big update

[rapid sandal]

if we're getting mollusks and industrial rev 2 in order, either we're going to have a wave of new events (id say only two consecutively) or beyond e30

or the civilization revamp is going to catch up from the RE update and there might be consecutive civilization updates for a few months

[white egret]

or the other rev

beyond 30 seems closer than events tho

[swift heron]

this whole time

it was called darwinium?

not dwarnium?

my whole life is a lie

dwarnium sounds so much better

[rain rain]

no, it's not

[swift heron]

darwininium

literally anything but darwinium

[vital tinsel]

Yeah but, you know, Darwin

[white egret]

how would you pronounce this

[swift heron]

dwar-nium

dwar like the word dwarf

and then nium

dwarnium

how the hell is darwinium better

darwin-nium

[white egret]

its normally shortened to darwin or DW

[swift heron]

dwar sounds much better than darwin

[white egret]

also dwarnium has no meaning (i mean "logits" dont but at least they were going for something with darwin)

[keen sphinx]

Gift me infinite pulse

Infinity pass

I am from Venezuela

[scarlet sand]

Guys,is it recommended to buy the beyond booster?

[keen sphinx]

Gift me the beyond booster

[keen sphinx]

Yes

[white egret]

i dont think people are gonna gift you stuff but good try

[white egret]

if you have the money for it? yeah

[scarlet sand]

Bit I'm full,like 29 alr

[white egret]

ah yeah

well we dont really know how much more beyond content is planned

if youre fine to spend money on something that might not have a use then go ahead

[warm lodge]

It's a bug. I'm in The Netherands. We use a point as readability separator and a comma as decimal separator. So ten thousand Euro's is € 10.000,00 here. The new time thingies use my local number notation for some numbers and US notation for others.

[white egret]

thats unrelated to the bug happening tho

instead of "1000.000" its "1.000"

[scarlet sand]

That's not really worth it I'm say for me

[white egret]

the dot is not a seperator but the digit dot

[white egret]

the infinity pass on its own is pretty good if you want a boost for your money

[scarlet sand]

With enough dark matter,and time,you can spam the upgrades,like only upgrade the great attractor(most paying engine rn)

[scarlet sand]

That's right

And the darwinium

[white egret]

i mean i havent bought it i only used the free trial but still

theres a main sim booster right?

[scarlet sand]

Yeah

I bought those

[white egret]

ah yeah

[scarlet sand]

But for these it's too expensive

Even if they're like 10% lower than it'll be far much more better

[white egret]

i dont think they do sales sadly

[proud kite]

Does it matter if i play on pc or mobile or is it the same?

[white egret]

besides the intrinsic benefits of each system its pretty much the same, mobile gets updates slightly later tho

[polar viper]

Big differences

[white egret]

like?

[polar viper]

On Steam aka pc you cant watch ads. So if you dont plan to spend money for infinity pass, you are fucked

[white egret]

ah i forgot about that

ads suck anyway tho

[polar viper]

Yeah

I agree

[white egret]

i mean it gives them the big bucks tho

[polar viper]

I would prefer paid game and no ads

[white egret]

i dont think id play if it were paid

i mean even if instead of a pass it was a otp itd be better

[polar viper]

I mean i come from pc

[white egret]

oh ive only played on pc

[polar viper]

I hate the mobile game system

[white egret]

i think passes are a scummy system

[polar viper]

Yeah its p2w

Mobile Game world

[white egret]

did they dev first for steam or mobile?

steam right?

[polar viper]

For mobile game the p2w here is quite light tho

[white egret]

currency
pass
ads for the pass in every menu

[polar viper]

Idk i only know the current system. Maybe it developed to the way over time

[white egret]

the updates coming steam first might be an indication? but pushing to steam is prob just easier

also the microtransactions mean they have to be against mods

(see bedrock minecraft v java minecraft)

(see astroneer v satisfactory)

i could go on

i think a game without mods really hampers the community of the game

[tall mirage]

In the coming mollusk update, metabit will surpass knowledge
With each update it will oscillate b/w metabit and knowledge

[warm lodge]

Well. It IS pay to win. But it's all optional. It's a singleplayer game. You can play it at your own pace and don't have to spend anything. But if you want to play fast, be near the top you need to play for long and pay.

But the game is free and the devs + game studio need an income. An alternative is a game that is sold for maybe $/€ 25 to 50 and has no futher microtransactions. It's one or the other.

[tall mirage]

I mean logits do mean smth in ML, but idk if they were going for that

[white egret]

i agree with "devs gotta eat" dont get me wrong, but from what ive heard from other game devs ads make the most money

i think keeping ads in the mobile version is fine

but its the microtransactions and pass system im annoyed at

and ofc we cant know their fiscal situation

so if the microtransactions and passes is keeping CL afloat then yeah keep it

but still i think modding is cool and good for a community

[warm lodge]

Ads don't pay much. They're just a waste of time for the player and generate a little income for the game for players who would otherwise not pay.

The time that ads gave good income is long behind us.

[white egret]

i mean they have like millions of players on the mobile ads so even with fractions of cents it cant be that bad

[tall mirage]

How much do they realistically earn from an ad rn

[warm lodge]

That's why so many youtubers beg for money nowadays.

[white egret]

with the event sponsors they do they might get money?

[warm lodge]

Yes, in the grand scale it still works. But it wastes a lot of time for players, is a privacy disaster and per player it pays peanuts.

[spring dome]

its a bug, both knowledge time crystals cap at a thousand but one shows 1000.000 while another shows 1.000

[tall mirage]

visual* bug

[white egret]

thats true, altho its up to CL to balance all these things (we'd hope they have good privacy anyway tho)

actually given how some of the security they have is i wouldnt bet on it, ads are done with different providers tho so it prob doesnt matter

[spring dome]

I'd much rather let some videos play in the background for boosts while I'm doing something else cuz spending money on an idle game is just... not something that feels like it's worth it

[white egret]

yeah spending money on any game is challenging, especially an idle game

(in game purchases specifically)

[spring dome]

the thousands of ads that I've watched in my few years of playing the game definitely gave them more money than I would've spent without the ad system

[white egret]

thats true, ads give money when the players wouldnt

[white egret]

i have a couple peeves with their security on certain things, but for most of it its fine (your darwin count is stored in the same list as your entropy are we being for real)

anyone with cheatengine and a little knowledge could give themselves infinite darwin

[swift heron]

ion think people can use cheat engine to cheat in currencies on official steam games

[white egret]

what? i mean like cheat engine sniffing out currently used variables

its all just stored in variables yk

altho given the age of the average person here i doubt they would be able to

so no arms race will start untill someone whos into computers and also likes cheating joins

[tall mirage]

Ig but not really a multiplayer game so doesn't hurt

[white egret]

your event science count is also just a variable

[tall mirage]

If there was pvp like rpg games, then would be an issue

[tall mirage]

Yea, but getting more BH and Diamond is not really a huge benefit per se

[white egret]

i also havent verified this yet but i think theres a way to division hop?

[tall mirage]

Would be fun to do, you can technically find out what's the last division every event

[white egret]

oh it sends it in debug files

hold on let me get an example

actually sending an example is prob bad but like idk take my word for it

hey looking thru this it looks like theres only 500 people to a division?

which could mean nothing

[warm lodge]

Yesterday I got a new personal record of time to Singularity of 162 hours, 57 minutes and 58 seconds lol. A record in slowness.

[tall mirage]

Oh? I thought 1000

[white egret]

I think it says 1000 but only actually has 500 real people, more testing is needed tho

[tall mirage]

Interesting, tbh that makes sense

[grizzled lance]

I saw a youtuber once say that they don't mind adblockers, because you can offset any amount of individual ad revenue by donating One Dollar. Almost no matter how many of their videos you watch, giving them one dollar once will be a higher value for them.

I've played a couple of mobile games with that model. Either with a free tier with ads or a demo version, and you unlock the full game, ad free, with a one time payment. Although none of those had continued development.

I've bought the infinity pass a couple of times. I would still buy it if i was less poor (or if it was cheaper). It's hard to know what's ultimately the best move, but i wonder how much money Cells would make if you could permanently disable ads with, like, a 5 dollar payment or something.

ConcernedApe has said he will never charge for any updates to Stardew Valley, because he has already earned more money from that game than he'll ever need.

[cyan barn]

Looking back it seems like there used to be a prestige layer in Mesozoic when you asteroid on 50. Is this still a thing? Achievements looks like there is one more Dino to unlock so I assume I can go deeper than 50 now

[dry cairn]

No change to Meso in years. Can prestige 10 times.

[bold galleon]

Is the only way to remove ads on mobile is to pay monthly?

[cyan barn]

Thanks! I’m close to finishing fifty now so want to be smart with gold cards

[dry cairn]

Buy a diamond geode at level 50 if you have spare darwinium.

[rough axle]

Correct

[bold galleon]

That’s… unfortunate.

[cyan barn]

I’m sitting on 800 Darwinium so I will buy a couple I think

[dry cairn]

@bold galleon you can pick and choose when its worth it to watch an ad, or even skip them all.
There are ways to play Steam on a phone but might not be worth the hassle.

@warm lodge looks like you got just over 12 GE's worth?

[tall mirage]

Better to use it for primary upgrades imo

[dry cairn]

Agree. I wouldn't get more than 1 diamond geode if there is still a lot of primary sim stuff you can buy.

[young oasis]

Всем привет Кто до какого прогресса дошел?

[frigid adder]

Move ts question to #🌐-international or #🇷🇺-pyccкий

(Why does ts rule even exist)

[young oasis]

Not translated 🥲

[magic lichen]

well im done

[frigid adder]

Not yet, there's still much to discover

[sullen jolt]

Is that French

[magic lichen]

||yea I know I restarted the game just putting this here for those that didnt and like spoiler||

[magic lichen]

||but this is new even when I got to mars I didnt unlock this?||

[frigid adder]

It's a future update, js gotta wait till it comes out

[young oasis]

Ok

[magic lichen]

so maybe its like when beyond came out it was near the beginning

I really should had never touched the satellite event I wanted a 100% event completion

[formal yoke]

I feel like my metabits are really slow rn should I focus on upgrades or modules more rn

[amber canyon]

Browser came first I think.

[warm lodge]

Yes. 6 E29 after some time warping and autoclicking with full time chambers and time crystals. Graviton expansion is 5 E28.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l151M6OElyQ

[dry cairn]

I guess we start it up again and then reevaluate when Mollusks get a release date.

[tall mirage]

Oh 12 GE nice, u rebooted?

[warm lodge]

I got a save game from before resetting. Just in case the next major update would hit today or tomorrow. But I do not expect it now yet so I cashed in on 21 days and my main simulation is now empty again and will make a new run after the expansion comes to the main game.

@tall mirage Yup, 21 day time crystals, bought everything, autoclicking for a while, time warping and reboot.

[tall mirage]

Nice, time for a 2nd run

[warm lodge]

Still flat empty at level 73. So while this is a good way to earn reality engine currency, it is not good to level.

[tall mirage]

Well yea, but you can catch up on level pretty quickly

[dry cairn]

If we hit 21 days again before Mollusks, we could leave it running to gain a level.

[polar viper]

also levels are worthless after 70/71

with next update we will get more levels fast anyways

no reason to slowly minmax another one now

[dry cairn]

True. Level is irrelevant if youre 72+

[tall mirage]

Not really, the graph after 70 is too steep

[polar viper]

yeah for current production.

but with mollusks entropy will skyrocket, so will xp

ofc there will be another soft cap then

at which further leveling is worthless again

[warm lodge]

I guess we will get another time crystal for metabits, as knowledge has two already.

[tall mirage]

Yea, but it's only gonna skyrocket by ~e20-30 I'd say, that's barely 2-3 lvls

[tall mirage]

Yeaaa, basically your 3E23 metabit would be 3e26 with a 2nd Crystal

[polar viper]

even if
lvls are kinda a crappy metric imo. event badges instead 👀

[tall mirage]

I mean only really need lvls for the "glitches", aka upgrades unlocked at every lvl

Since last one was 70, I wonder how many will we get with mollusk

I wonder if they will change the leveling once again, coz min. e10 for every new lvl after 71 is a LOT

[dry cairn]

Id have to start using an auto-clicker to catch up to Sepheria and the other 74's.
Though it is neat to be able to say that I made it to 73 without ever using one.

[tall mirage]

71 is e260 and 72 is e278 right?

[tall mirage]

What's ur xp rn?

[warm lodge]

Sepheria leveled to 74 before the update that makes leveling difficult.

[tall mirage]

Yea, but gavel has more 260 more badges than seph and he alr got GE

So in his 2nd run, he might prolly reach 74

[lofty galleon]

I am not dead

[warm lodge]

So Sepheria will be stuck at 74 for a looooong time. At least, that is my expectation.

[dry cairn]

E287

[tall mirage]

seph at e300 and needs e311 for 75, so will get AFTER mollusk drops

[polar viper]

Whats the procedure, if you miss one day here?
Calling some emergency contact?

[lofty galleon]

Assume that I'm dead or smth

Or that I've been replaced by clankers

[tall mirage]

🤔 Oh that's lesser than I expected

Then 74 is impossible for u before mollusks

[dry cairn]

I think im still short of the new requirement for 73

[tall mirage]

Yea new req is 291 iirc

[dry cairn]

It was funny gaining 0 xp for 21 days then going from e282 to e287 in minutes.

[fluid delta]

4K in portrait mode? I guess you have your screen on a monitor arm, to pull that off?

[warm lodge]

No, no.

[fluid delta]

Already about halfway through my 2nd run.. this time with GE and such already bought, ofc.

[fluid delta]

I think it will be the same for both metabits + knowledge?

[warm lodge]

It's a cut out from a 3440x1440 ultrawide monitor. I record the whole screen and cut out the window of the game. It's in portrait because Cells is designed as mobile game and the UI works best in portrait mode. At least, in my opinion.

[fluid delta]

The math may not support.. but I’ll see when my 21d timer gets there in a week or so

[fluid delta]

Yup, pretty sure you are right, here. E311 is a big mountain to climb

[warm lodge]

Cool. You're such a boss.

[fluid delta]

I detect sarcasm, lol. Fine. I’ll shut up now.

[warm lodge]

No sarcasm. I just find it impressive.

[tall mirage]

Loll

[tall mirage]

Damn, that's quick

[fluid delta]

Sure, and I agree, that’s how I play Cells too. But I’ve never seen a UW that rotates.. not without a monitor arm. So I was curious how you did it.

[tall mirage]

Yea well I can't even get E300 lol

[warm lodge]

I'm just happy the game did not mark me as cheater for getting a whole big lot of metabits and knowledge in a very short time. Because I do not know if the devs designed the game with this strategy in mind.

[fluid delta]

You will after your first 21d empty sim run probably!

.. or your 2nd if not your 1st

[tall mirage]

💀 That's long over lol

and I got only upto 278

[fluid delta]

so 1 more will do it probably

[tall mirage]

Nah, pretty sure E300 is impossible for me before mollusk

[warm lodge]

Mine does not rotate. If I wanted to use the screen in portrait mode I indeed would need to buy a monitor arm for it that does. But I don't want to use my screen in portrait. I just play Cells in a portrait-sized window.

[fluid delta]

maybe 2 runs then?

[tall mirage]

Nah won't work, E300 implies my idea needs to reach ~E160 by itself

Do you remember your idea and entropy BEFORE reboot?

[fluid delta]

Hmm, I will bring it up on my 4k desktop to have a looksee then, but it seemed like way too much shown for 1440p in landscape… but I say that not having seen it that way in weeks.. I’ve been running it with Steam on a 1200p display in portrait, when I haven’t been playing it on iPad

[fluid delta]

that wouldn’t be comparable anyway, bc metabits fix this latest update

[tall mirage]

Yea but pretty sure my 2nd run will be over before mollusks drop

[fluid delta]

yeah I am looking forward to it (Mollusks). Probably my current run is a waste of time, but also no harm in doing it either.

[tall mirage]

I mean not really a waste as you'd be saving metabits for mollusk update

You can instantly buy a lot of RE nodes with the saved ones

[fluid delta]

In theory yes, but in practice the metabits generated by one quick reboot that includes the new Primary generator(s?) and nodes will overwhelm what i already have saved

.. I presume

[tall mirage]

Yea but my point is you'd have like 1E24 metabits in the bank by the time update arrives so

Also pretty sure you should quick reboot only until u buy Time Crystal 2 and TC6 when mollusk drops

[fluid delta]

Yeah, I will see how it stands after my first quick reboot.. if need be, I'll do what I did before: spam reboot to get the "easy" (new) RE nodes, before doing a idle run to get the others

[tall mirage]

No matter what, 1st goal is Crystal 2

[twin timber]

cellular

[tall mirage]

Ik the cost for it

and ur 2nd run is enough for you to get it, so don't spend any metabits u get from your 2nd run

[fluid delta]

what is the cost for it?

[tall mirage]

half of what u got in ur 1st run

[fluid delta]

that doesn't really tell me, lol.

looks that up

[tall mirage]

NVM that's Tc6

[fluid delta]

waits

If it's not that much, how much will it be?

[tall mirage]

I'll delete after you've seen it

[fluid delta]

got it

translates to custom notation

Yes, I had that much from my 1st run, but I spent it. I certainly will have it with my 2nd run 🙂

[tall mirage]

Yup, you'll prolly have > 1e25

[fluid delta]

I would expect so, yeah, with the new stuff in Mollusks.

[tall mirage]

Or maybe 5e24, not sure

[fluid delta]

I'll have 5e24 from this 2nd run even without Mollusks, i would guess

[tall mirage]

Yea I meant that

Best option is to be near end of 3rd run and mollusks drop

[fluid delta]

Maybe. I'm hoping it's sooner than that, but it probably won't be

[tall mirage]

Yea doubtful, they always mention "final" update in #💬-beta-chat before releasing on steam

My assumption is ~15 feb

[fluid delta]

plenty of time then

[tall mirage]

Yea

[dry cairn]

If not before mid Feb, a third run might be possible.

[fluid delta]

oh, easily, if mid-Feb

[tall mirage]

Barely for me I think

I can't run 24/7

[chilly walrus]

i got the spinosaurus

[faint girder]

how do i unlock the plants?

[rough axle]

there arent any plants ingame

if you mean the pollination event, its not running right now

[faint girder]

oh okay

on the wiki it says u can unlock plants

through the eukaryotic cell

[rough axle]

hmm thats nor right

ill have to fix that

[fluid delta]

Ok, I gotta ask: which specific resolution were you running at here? I know you said 1440p Ultrawide, but the only way that makes sense to me for what I’m seeing, is that you had the monitor on an arm and rotated into portrait mode (which you said you didn’t do), or… were you perhaps using it in portrait mode while the monitor was physically on your desk in it’s normal landscape orientation? … sounds physically quite uncomfortable, you’d need to twist your body kinda sideways to use it… I think? So, I am curious!

[edgy nova]

How does one unlock the gold earth?

I have it but I don't know how I got it.

[vital tinsel]

It's bought in the logit store

[edgy nova]

I never purchased it though.

[fluid delta]

I think it was a freebie if you had an active account around when the Reality Revamp happened

[amber canyon]

I think it was free for people who'd unlocked Feliforms.

[noble dune]

hey brooo

[fluid delta]

hey

[noble dune]

long time

[fluid delta]

you know how it is.. people come and go in any discord

[gloomy jacinth]

Soooo ok that's capped now

But how do we know for crystals or whatever to see the 21 days thing

Is it readable in clear, or do I need to convert something related to maximum cycle numbers?

Anyways I have many upgrades I could buy with metabits/knowledge, I'm just level 70 now, and electricity still locked, so I guess it's better for me to reboot

[fluid delta]

Time Crystals cap at 21d, Time Chambers cap at about 10d, as you show

You would need to do around 200 of 10d runs to give you the same knowledge that one 21d run would give you, assuming you have all Time Crystals + Chambers

[sterile rose]

Should I afk for the full 21 days or cash out rn? (My time chambers are capped but my time crystals aren’t)

[gloomy jacinth]

I'm not sure what time crystals are, I meant can you read the days on that upgrade as time chambers, or is it displayed in another form

[fluid delta]

it's specific nodes in reality engine. They're off to the left

[mental osprey]

what engine was this game made in?

[fluid delta]

unity, I think?

[mental osprey]

ok interesting thank you

[fluid delta]

Wait the 21 game days out

[amber canyon]

Time Crystals are these.

[sterile rose]

I hope I’m able to get graviton expansion by that time

[fluid delta]

I certainly could on my first 21d empty sim run.. not only once, but something like 100x over

[amber canyon]

As their descriptions say:
Time Chambers affect your entropy and idea production.
Time Crystals affect your metabit and knowledge production.

Nothing to buy in primary? Then time chambers are largely irrelevant.

Stuff left to buy in the Reality Engine? Then you want to maximise your time crystals.

[sterile rose]

Aight

[rough axle]

news just dropped from devs @fluid delta @white egret @dry cairn

[fluid delta]

So I just saw! That might potentially make them useful! Though they really need to separate out alpha/beta from live. And cheaters to their own as well

[tall mirage]

FUll 21

[warm lodge]

I already said: It's 3440x1440 resolution. Ultrawide monitor. The monitor is just in normal landscape mode. The game runs in a window. The window is portrait sized. And to make the video I record my whole screen and cut out the game window contents to a video file.

[tall mirage]

and it's not xp based anymore which is worse tho

[keen mango]

level 64, what should i do now?

[mellow carbon]

Since you bought all the idea stuff and weren't doing the idling, I'd reboot. When I purchased stuff, my estimate was I wasn't going to get to GE by 21 days (I could have been wrong, but everything stopped speeding up once the time chambers maxed). Rebooting, buying nothing, waiting 21 days, they buying stuff will get you way more knowledge/metabits.

[dry cairn]

If its just now getting put in the beta build, Im not sure it was intentional that it already happened in the live version.

[mellow carbon]

Buy stuff and upgrade. If you want more specific recommendations, you'll need to share what you can buy in sim & RE.

[keen mango]

here what i can buy

[gloomy jacinth]

ok I See it now, I think it's because in my language it's rather called chronocrystal

But anyway I will reboot now, I need to max dw Synth to get at least one more per day

[noble dune]

language barrier brother

[keen mango]

oh

i'm dumb

[gloomy jacinth]

If you don't know what to upgrade just go for the ones with a blue diamond

[gloomy jacinth]

It's recommended by the game, but then you could also upgrade what fits your gameplay the most

[rough axle]

latest beta came with some bug fixes/minor improvements to e29, including some minor foreshadowing...

[mellow carbon]

Let it ride until you can buy idea time chamber VI.

You should get there in a day or so.

Take a look at where you're currently getting ideas from (there's a stats page that will show you), and buy modern mastery/ancestral acention or whichever matches with what you're getting ideas from.
Modern will eventually be the biggest (IIRC), but you need to be at 6-7/8 for it to matter.

Metabit time crystal 2 is also a big target.

[fluid delta]

What Cells graphics settings? I have a secondary system that has a 3440x1440 display that I put Cells on. I am not seeing the same thing. And I'd like to know how, it seems like it'd be a convenient way to play Cells.

[mellow carbon]

Beyond that reality amplifier, and darwinium resovoir.

And oddly priomordial power -- check your stats, but for a while that was the best of the upgrades.

Also thanks for reposting in english.

[warm lodge]

High quality, window. On my server it runs at power save, also in a window.

[fluid delta]

Yes, but which resolution?

[mellow carbon]

Is metabit time crystal 2 in the beta? It's showing in the screenshots above, but I have the E29 update and don't have it.

[warm lodge]

Let's continue this in a private chat.

[rough axle]

oops spoilers

sorry for ghost ping

[fluid delta]

hmm?

[tall mirage]

Loll

[rough axle]

looks like it still is to me

[tall mirage]

friends list yes, but not lb

[fluid delta]

Yes, though how one can be E288 and yet RL75, confuses me

[tall mirage]

Also that's beta content so you might be better off asking in #💬-beta-chat

[rough axle]

probably from the retuning when they fixed the skipping 70 bug

[keen mango]

My bad gng

[fluid delta]

Even with that, I don't see how it's possible

I was E297 before the retuning (and my 21d run)

[rough axle]

aw shucks

so only friends works

[tall mirage]

Np

[fluid delta]

So.. I think it seems to say that leaderboards are still messed up.

[tall mirage]

Yea super messed up, somehow it's detecting that 6.6E264 > 6.59E278

It's ignoring the scientific notation

[warm lodge]

Is there a way to leave the beta leaderboard? I was in beta before the release of Reality Reboot but I have not touched the beta since.

[rough axle]

maybe try sending a dm to cells support?

[tall mirage]

Btw what is ur rank on the lb seph?

[fluid delta]

Speaking of (kindof), I have noticed that people with the beta tag, show up as zero XP and RL when you click on their info.. and vice versa (since I don't have the tag).

(I would expect they know of this bug, for weeks/months now)

[warm lodge]

Good idea. I dropped an e-mail to support.

[gloomy jacinth]

Okay dino prestige levels are weird, it takes time to do last rank 50, and then you reset and 20 ranks directly in a row 😅

[merry jackal]

Hey, if any devs are seeing this, i made a discovery regarding a certain game mechanic that has the ability to give players an extreme advantage. I don't really want to post it in a public chat because it is extremely easy to do once leaked.

[mellow carbon]

You can put something in bug-reporting and have them DM you there.

Or you can post it here and we can all exploit it.

[merry jackal]

thanks, i didn't see the bug reporting channel

[hearty turret]

I can’t tell if I’m being stupid or not, I still don’t have beyond e29, I’m on steam and it says it’s up to date but 28 is still the max for me

[rough axle]

what version is your game?

[hearty turret]

Is that in properties somewhere?

[rough axle]

no its ingame

#💬-cells-chat message

[hearty turret]

42_68

[rough axle]

yeah thats weird

thats the scientific revolution update

[hearty turret]

Let me restart steam rq

Still no update showing up in steam

[rough axle]

very odd

[hearty turret]

Okay fixed it. I just verified the integrity of the files on steam and it downloaded the update

[frigid adder]

Monthly Notorious message

[white egret]

it not being the begining of the month, and the xp sorting still being weird is weird tho

[white egret]

they already do this tho

[coarse narwhal]

No more new explorations? (I've been off the community lately)

[frigid adder]

Ye (sadly)

[coarse narwhal]

Aw

[final dew]

How can I buy things with actual money in the game? I'm on steam, and I go to buy something, a loading circle comes up, and then nothing happens

[lucid vine]

So we have events for bacteria, deep seas and lots of genius things and we now have event for chesse?

[white egret]

does the steam purchasing window not show up?

[magic lichen]

when can I buy those?

[white egret]

i think you have to be in their respective simulations (meso & beyond)

[final dew]

No, it has the loading circle show up for a second, then it disappears and nothing happens

[white egret]

there also seems to be a website you can buy from thats linked on their page https://store.celltosingularity.com/

[final dew]

Devs don't want my money lmao

[white egret]

your player id is next to your name on the profile

[final dew]

Thanks ^^

[magic lichen]

was able to buy the beyond one but theres no pack in meso

[white egret]

np!

[white egret]

hm there used to be one, maybe they took it out of rotation or just removed it?

[magic lichen]

and here I was going to buy all packs

at least im good

[gray tapir]

can i be friends with u

[prime vale]

<@&535129309648781332> cryptoscam or whatever is this

[desert flax]

<@&535129309648781332> scam

I WAS FIRST (in my pov)

[prime vale]

no

[hollow haven]

!ban 937085443151904829 scam

[bright otter]

Banned ant5345t (Case #4207) (user notified with a direct message)

[desert flax]

huh

[prime vale]

idk

[rough axle]

no

[prime vale]

ok hes banned atleast

mods reacted instantly lol

[desert flax]

I am confusion

[desert flax]

the persn who banned them is a dev lol

[rough axle]

if two people send a message at roughly the same time the orders can get messed up for one of the two people

ive seen it many times before

[rough axle]

sirh is the only mod who is also a dev

[desert flax]

so I'm first in my pov and epic's first in everyone else's

[rough axle]

yup

i bet if you restart discord youll be after epic

[desert flax]

oh yep

[prime vale]

oh really

[steady dune]

<@&535129309648781332>

whyyyyyy

[hollow haven]

!ban 379730429844127745 scram, ppl aren't gonna fall for it here

[bright otter]

Banned stormreactor. (Case #4208) (user notified with a direct message)

[frigid adder]

HOW do I manage to miss all these executions?!?!😭

[desert flax]

I missed it by 4 min

[marble plinth]

Hu

[marble plinth]

Uhm

[prime vale]

i missed it by 40 mins

[marble plinth]

...

[lean niche]

36 hrs left in this run. Unless something really impressive happens, I don't feel great about walking away with a Graviton. Blown away by my entropy, though.

[fluid delta]

You'll be well short of a graviton (50 Oc/EE), but it's still quite a lot! Next run, you can do it, I'm sure!!

[lean niche]

I think not having a lot of badges (110) is really hurting me here.

I've seen folks on here where everything else seemed to be equal (level the same, and so on), but they had like 3,000 logits (meaning a lot of badges, presumably), and they were totally schooling me in banked knowledge.

[rapid sandal]

Wait so the main benefit for waiting until 21 days is that fills get too efficient by the time the time crystals are maxed??

[fluid delta]

I wouldn't put it that way necessarily. 21d gets you the most reward, by a lot

21d caps all the Time chambers and crystals

[rapid sandal]

I thought waiting for 21 days with either simulation fully/almost done or no input yet would both yield the same reward

[fluid delta]

I'm not sure how you mean?

[dry cairn]

Kind of, since there is somewhat of a limit on the number of fills you can reasonably do.

So we wait to do any fills until we are getting huge multipliers from the crystals.

[rapid sandal]

Time crystals increase metabit/knowledge efficiency

It would be more efficient with having the fills be done in day 21 rather than 0

I was going to let my simulation run til day 21 with most of the fills until i realized that

[lean niche]

Gavel, what is your profile icon?

[fluid delta]

Everything goes up during the full 21 days, but progress in entropy and ideas slows down after 10d.