💬-cells-chat

[south escarp]

how did you get in 666?

[amber canyon]

Tbh there's limited use for it in primary/RE anyway. And Meso is boring. Might be fun to max Beyond traits with black holes I guess? But likely I'd then undo it, so my file felt 'right'.

[pliant tinsel]

I completed a event too fast

[white egret]

666 event division is for those marked cheaters

[pliant tinsel]

Or

Bugs

[white egret]

i mean yeah

[south escarp]

ik but i thought those people were hackers or smth

[white egret]

i think it depends

[pliant tinsel]

Mine was bugs

[south escarp]

did you have your 500k DW?

[pliant tinsel]

1 million at the time

[south escarp]

..

WHAT

YOU SPENT 500k DW?

thats like

cool

[fluid delta]

Zero cost, why wouldn't he?

[pliant tinsel]

A long time ago

[white egret]

i do think having absurd amounts of darwin can get you marked as a cheater tho

afaik

[south escarp]

i didnt think it was possible to spend that much

[fluid delta]

it's just a number in a database, after all.

[pliant tinsel]

I wish I could give some to you all but yeah I cant

[white egret]

how do you have a 75 hour boost 😭

[pliant tinsel]

I spend it in a lot of idiot things lol

[south escarp]

when its at 71 hours you can get 4 more

[white egret]

oh wait i forgot it goes to 3 days

[pliant tinsel]

That was A LONG TIME AGO

[south escarp]

so im guessing youve bought all the upgrades, modules, and augments for DW?

[white egret]

on desktop it does it in days

[pliant tinsel]

Nahh that's too new

[white egret]

not hours sorry i got confused

[pliant tinsel]

Just dinosaurs cards

Lol

Or planet cards

[south escarp]

have you spent all of your DW?

[pliant tinsel]

No

[white egret]

i think itd be almost impossible to

[pliant tinsel]

I still have 500 000

[south escarp]

are you gonna buy the DW upgades?

[amber canyon]

Rocks, not beta or alpha? No badge boost? So Sep 2024 or after?

[fluid delta]

it's possible. repeatedly spamming time flux would do it

[pliant tinsel]

I mean 6 years of playing, 500 thousand are reasonable

[white egret]

would take a long time tho

[pliant tinsel]

?

I started in 2020

[south escarp]

you could also spam the black hole/diamond rock

[south escarp]

ayy same

[fluid delta]

Using an autoclicker and having it spend for asteroids would really help spend it too.. as I found out the hard way accidentally, lol

[white egret]

lol so real, i try to set my mouse in the cancel button area

[amber canyon]

That event was released Sep 24. I think.

[south escarp]

i thought it was april fools?

[pliant tinsel]

This?

And like I said

[fluid delta]

Yeah, when my new IP expires, I am going to be very careful about placement next time, lol

[pliant tinsel]

I spender the most on beta

So all if that is lost

Of that*

[amber canyon]

Announced as an April Fools. The Devs then had to make it happen.

[south escarp]

oh ok

[white egret]

thats funny lol why didnt they have the update on april fools

[fluid delta]

I challenge you to get to level 75 before I do. Even with your DW, I don't think you can. glove dropped

[pliant tinsel]

What event?

[pliant tinsel]

Bet?

[south escarp]

bet of the century

[pliant tinsel]

Give me 1 day

[fluid delta]

Heh. I'm at 74 now, so... yeah.

[pliant tinsel]

Tomorrow at this same time

What you think?

[amber canyon]

The Devs said the were shocked that people actually wanted a rocks event. I think they thought they'd picked the most boring thing ever.

[south escarp]

seph better lock in

[gloomy bone]

uh

[fluid delta]

Oh, it's probably possible, using time flux spamming.

[pliant tinsel]

I finish the most of the main without all the darwinium tho

[south escarp]

if they want something boring they need to pick colours or smth

[gloomy bone]

what are we talikng about?

[pliant tinsel]

The darwinium bug started like in 2021 or 2022

[amber canyon]

Hey, the history of dyeing is really interesting!

[south escarp]

no, how humans perceive colors

starting with red

[amber canyon]

No ... If they want boring, pick tea or something ...

[south escarp]

they did do tea!

and it was so boring

[fluid delta]

Heh, not like I would actually bet money. He can do it if he really tries, I think, given 500K bug-created DW

[white egret]

history of dye would have a good mix of art too, maybe itd be a good event...

[south escarp]

nonono

they need to add uhh

computers

event

first

[pliant tinsel]

Also I was like 11 when the bug happend

So I was a kid

[amber canyon]

Could be a mix of chemistry, industry, art, vision, nature. Hmm ...

[south escarp]

explore event: colors

collect "red"

1 logit

collect "orange" 2 logit

collect "yellow"

3 logit

collect "green"

4 logit

collect "blue"

5 logit

collect "indigo"

6 logit

collect "violet"

7 logit

boom

is that 50

ah shoot

collect " infared"

10 logit

collect "ultraviolet"

12 logit

BOOm

[fluid delta]

Ok, just spent 10 DW on a time flux in Primary to see what would happen. It does NOT advance the clock as far as the Reality Engine is concerned.. so, I will win this "bet", no way he will get to 75 before I do.

[south escarp]

chat should i try to actually make the colors event

it would be rlly easy

wait actually it wouldnt

[amber canyon]

You could? It's probably hard to pull a 'story' together.

[south escarp]

background

totally

ah shoot i have an idea for how to make this owrk

somebody stop me

[fluid delta]

You are missing ultraviolet.. which technically should be included, since some humans can see it unaided by tech

[south escarp]

the last 2 buttons will be infared and ultraviolet

[south escarp]

and wait... how do you confirm that?

[gloomy bone]

except they blur it and turn down the saturation

[fluid delta]

how do I confirm what?

[south escarp]

that they can see ultraviolet

[amber canyon]

Experiments!

[south escarp]

but like i could totally just lie about seeing it

[frigid adder]

Probably the UV lights that are out there

[fluid delta]

Same way you test vision normally. Either they can see an ultraviolet thing or they can't.

[fluid delta]

That's why I said "unaided by tech"

[amber canyon]

Experiments that repeatable. And that are designed to catch people lying? Like most of them.

[south escarp]

like what they play an ultraviolet cartoon?

"what is bob doing"

[amber canyon]

?

[south escarp]

"uhhh idk i cant see him"

[fluid delta]

Like you know those tests where they check for color blindness? the numbers or word hidden in the bubble of dots? That's one obvious way

[south escarp]

ohhh shoot your right

[amber canyon]

Hey - Is this UV light on or off? How about now? And now? And now?

[south escarp]

yes

😎

[fluid delta]

Fun fact: most of us will be able to see ultraviolet.... once we've had cataract surgery. But I'm meaning people who can naturally see it without it. It's obviously very rare.

[amber canyon]

I mean, if you're wearing sunglasses you definitely can't tell 😁

[slender yacht]

What happens next?

Same system as Mesozoic Valley? Restart with Prestige lvl?

[rough axle]

the devs confirmed theres 2 more episodes coming

[fluid delta]

There is no Beyond Prestige.. yet

[frigid adder]

We don't know

[rough axle]

after that there MAY be a prestige

[amber canyon]

TBD.

[slender yacht]

Thank you

[south escarp]

wait so looking at the sun hurts even more?

[fluid delta]

That would not be recommended, lol

[amber canyon]

Hurts? I don't think eyes feel pain from UV. It damages them though. Which is why shit sunglasses are awful.

[south escarp]

wait so is that how this guy has 30 beyond episodes?

[amber canyon]

Beta.

Ya might want to delete that image

[south escarp]

why?

is there something bad in it

it shouldnt notify him

[amber canyon]

Beta stuff is only supposed to be in beta-chat.

[south escarp]

what???

[south escarp]

what image?

lol

well hopefully i didnt leak anything, heh

[amber canyon]

You're good. Compared to some of the stuff - deliberate or accidental - was minor.

[south escarp]

guys i leaked episode 50 of mesa!!!11!!

im cooked!

[gloomy bone]

🥀

[south escarp]

wait theres a beta chat?

[gloomy bone]

yeah

#💬-beta-chat

[south escarp]

it was hidden for me lol

[pliant tinsel]

63

[south escarp]

oh god

[amber canyon]

Only go in there atm if you really want to see spoilers ...

[fluid delta]

It's easy at the start, bc there's a ton of nodes you can buy. It doesn't stay easy. 🙂

[south escarp]

i only care about the beyond lol

and thats with stuff thats already out

can i just say

i waited 4 years to figure out that the beyond had been out for 2

[amber canyon]

There's a lot of Beyond stuff you might not want to see in there then.

[south escarp]

no id love to see more about "superstructures"

what are those?

btww

[amber canyon]

(some being tested, some old abandoned stuff, some made up).

[south escarp]

SUPERSTRUCTURES IS ANNOUNCED IN GAME

DONT BAN ME

lol

[amber canyon]

Jeez, why is it huge?

[gloomy bone]

fr

[frigid adder]

Holy humongous 🥀

[south escarp]

heh, heh heh

BAHAHAH

[frigid adder]

Bro

[south escarp]

im sorry man

i know why he said that it was just funny seeing that after just being in beta chat

totally out of context for a bit

[amber canyon]

Made me laugh, though 😁

[gloomy bone]

sorry for snitching to the people who do this but, who ever changed the date to 2037 to get loads of entrophy and ideas on c2s.

😔

[amber canyon]

Never understood it myself. I'll either play the game, or not play it. Doing that would just break it for me. And possibly upset my authenticators and other important apps maybe?

[south escarp]

what what happened to them

[gloomy bone]

i mean, i don't have any important apps nor authenticators and you can simply just change it into "Automatic Time" and everything is normal but you have a penalty of getting a ? on your screen until you reset the simulation

[pliant tinsel]

Your right

I'm starting to suffer

[gloomy bone]

basically cheating

[pliant tinsel]

What are these? Are they rare?

[amber canyon]

(I admit I did abuse a glitch in alpha ... And then promptly lost interest)

[frigid adder]

They got the red ? of doom

[pliant tinsel]

I don't remember them

[gloomy bone]

yes

(did it 6 times)

i just love the ?

[amber canyon]

When you opened the app and got the Reality Reboot they were in that bunch of rewards.

[frigid adder]

Ye

[pliant tinsel]

Ohh I just clicked a lot of things lol

[amber canyon]

Except for the beta one, which is cos you were id'd as a beta tester. Your name might be in the credits.

[frigid adder]

Specifically the one that looks like semblance, only people who got neutrino expansion got it

[pliant tinsel]

Ohhhh

Nice

[gloomy bone]

MY NAME MIGHT BE IN THE CREDITS??

[amber canyon]

Mine is 😁

[pliant tinsel]

Let me take a look

[south escarp]

six...

[gloomy bone]

gotta keep grinding on the beyond episodes

episode 4 btw

[frigid adder]

⁶⁷⁶⁷

[gloomy bone]

6️⃣ 7️⃣

[south escarp]

guys my new years resolution was to not say 67 unironically does that count

i didnt say it

[frigid adder]

So you only say it unironicly now?

[south escarp]

wait

like

[pliant tinsel]

Where?

[pliant tinsel]

Where?

[south escarp]

no i meant unironically

[pliant tinsel]

Where it should be?

[frigid adder]

In the help

[south escarp]

like not saying it how most people say it

[amber canyon]

3 bars menu, help I think?

[south escarp]

only saying it when i tell people what my new years resolution is

[gloomy bone]

does it count when you are not even in ep 29 on beyond?

[white egret]

it doesnt even have a meaning how can you say it either ironically or unironically

[pliant tinsel]

???

[frigid adder]

Help tab in Ξ

[wicked python]

Challenge 2 bout rocks

[dense wedge]

I would have selected martincintopants to represent the amphibians

[pliant tinsel]

Where?

[gloomy bone]

you are NOT hiding the 67

[frigid adder]

It references clip farming and a basketball players height, you can say it ironically by saying it to parody kids who unironicly use it as humor

[gloomy bone]

btw i see it (its kf6427)

[pliant tinsel]

It ends there?

[white egret]

im going to start saying tomato ironically

[amber canyon]

Oh! I never actually noticed. Huh.

[gloomy bone]

heh

i have hawk eyes

[frigid adder]

That looks like Colonization of Mars

[pliant tinsel]

There is a lot more space

But there is nothing

[amber canyon]

I don't know if it's finished. Some beta testers aren't on there. I have no idea if there's a reason, or if the Devs haven't finished it yet.

[white egret]

the space is infinite its a list?

[gloomy bone]

might be the devs didnt finish it

[pliant tinsel]

I don't have the account link to discord thi

Tho

[south escarp]

wait im a beta tester

[pliant tinsel]

How can i do it?

[white egret]

i thought it was alpha only on the list

[supple wedge]

I have a question

[gloomy bone]

same here

[south escarp]

yeah me too

[pliant tinsel]

I don't find the link to discord button

[south escarp]

kf are you an alpha tester?

[supple wedge]

I dont know

[frigid adder]

Remove this beta sharing

[amber canyon]

I wondered if it was alpha/beta testers that put bug reports in?

I only did alpha testing (not beta), put bug reports in, and didn't alpha test using the account I use for my main cells account. I got the beta achievement, and the credits.

[supple wedge]

I dont think im beta/alpha tester

[amber canyon]

Pretty sure someone said they did beta-only and got in the credits?

[frigid adder]

You have e29

[south escarp]

did you have to submit a bug report?

[gloomy bone]

you are

[amber canyon]

That's beta content. Please delete it.

[gloomy bone]

check your roles

[supple wedge]

Ok

[south escarp]

is there an faq

[gloomy bone]

yeah

just do "/faq"

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[south escarp]

how do you become an alpha tester?

[amber canyon]

The credits were described as WIP in the beta patch notes.

[frigid adder]

You gotta get in right before there's a big update I'm pretty sure

[amber canyon]

Can't any more. It was only a thing for the RR.

[south escarp]

"get in"?

[frigid adder]

Opt in and use a code

[south escarp]

but like for the next big update

[south escarp]

oh ok

[amber canyon]

The Devs will make an announcement in the announcements channel. Most likely. Think that's what they did before.

[amber canyon]

So you're seeing and playing beta stuff, which is unfinished content. You can ask stuff in the beta-chat channel.

[south escarp]

instead of making another explore event they should make an explore event maker and every month the top one gets added once, and if the devs like it it will get added

ok why am i making so much knoledge but barely any metabits?

[amber canyon]

You can use /suggest in https://discord.com/channels/488478892873744385/751513380413505618 to make suggestions 🙂

[south escarp]

i know but i dont think they are gonna like the colors event

[amber canyon]

Last update was extra knowledge stuff. And they nerfed Metabits.

[south escarp]

bruh

[supple wedge]

I just relize im a beta tester sorry guys

[amber canyon]

Before the last update people were all 'why have I got so many more metabits than knowledge' 🙂

[south escarp]

well no wonder quark expansion is 500qi

[amber canyon]

... And the rest ... 👀

[south escarp]

why do i have more entropy than ideas? like bro come on

of course you have more metabits

[supple wedge]

To buy upgrade from reality engine is expensive now

How to get faster metabits?

[amber canyon]

Reboot every 5-10 mins. Until you can't be bothered. Then wait for days/weeks.

But Metabits are currently nerfed.

[supple wedge]

Okay thank you for the Information

[south escarp]

wait how is that the meta?(bit)

i thought it was to do a very long run and then reboot

because of the time chambers

[inner tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/book-of-boba-fett-the-mandalorian-this-is-the-way-the-book-of-boba-fett-mandalorian-gif-24825263

spam rebooting the reality engine affords you quicker jumps for the unlocks inside the reality engine

[amber canyon]

Because you get A LOT of Metabits/knowledge in the first 5-10 mins. Then it stalls, until the time crystals build.

[inner tapir]

^

from minute ~10 to ~hour 24, progress stalls heavily

[south escarp]

but

technically long runs are viable?

[inner tapir]

for example, it would take me ~6 reboots (30-40 minutes) to unlock ONE of the /100 reality engine upgrades

long runs are certainly viable, but more efficient later

[south escarp]

what counts as later

[inner tapir]

there's a time/effort balance

[south escarp]

cuz im lvl 63

[amber canyon]

Yes. If you don't want to be ahead of where the game 'wants' you to be.

[inner tapir]

when you get to the point that a single reality engine reboot isn't really netting you enough resources for even a single unlock

[south escarp]

ah, ok

[inner tapir]

but when a single reality engine reboot can net you a few unlocks in the engine itself, it's worth to keep spam rebooting

im truly at the point where it would take me 40 mins of focus and work on reality engine reboots just to go from lvl 27/100 to lvl 28/100 on Knowledge Booster X (or whatever it is)

[south escarp]

yeah thats not worth it lol

[inner tapir]

im on day ~3 of no reboots and could arguably get 15+ of those levels now

prob more, tbh

[amber canyon]

I play long runs. I got to RL67 from RL62 without rebooting. Took a month.

[inner tapir]

whereas I got from lvl 62 to lvl 67 in about 2 weeks, but with ~100 reboots

depends on if you're willing to just rot away doing reboots lol

[fluid delta]

3 days is roughly 200 reboots for knowledge

[amber canyon]

(I then had a sulk and reverted back to an old save on an old version 😁)

[inner tapir]

sepheria and Kf are what i consider to be "late game" in terms of their progress and unlock status

so their advice is valued (at least to me)

[fluid delta]

aww thanks!

[south escarp]

im kinda close to finishing episode 24!

[inner tapir]

they know the real mechanics of how this game works and they unerstand efficient strategy

im not too far behind them, but they're just far more wizardly than i

[fluid delta]

don’t sell yourself short, you know more than you think! And I know less than you think 🙂

[south escarp]

im lvl 62 im actually better than all of them 🍷 🗿

[amber canyon]

Me? Nah, not atm. I have lots of DW, logit, badge, Meso and Beyond stuff. But my RE and primary are behind.

[amber canyon]

Can give advice though!

[inner tapir]

well, i am proud of mine in the sense that i have EVERY upgrade (logits/darwinium), i have EVERY episdoe of beyond done and fully maxed, meso is full prestige 10 complete, all badges - the only things i'm missing are amphibian 500, amphibian 750, amphibian 1000...and then obviously the reality engine progress itself

but all the "smaller, accessory" like upgrades, i got em

every achievement, etc

[rough axle]

there is no 750

[inner tapir]

ok, whatever it is

[amber canyon]

Which is VERY impressive!

[south escarp]

dang man

[inner tapir]

i'd say im about 3 days away from research lvl 73

[fluid delta]

you can do it!!

[south escarp]

holy

how

[inner tapir]

been leaving auto clicker spamming knowldge on the other planet in the asteroid garden overnight

definitely helping

[fluid delta]

Then one more reboot cycle will get you 74, probably?

[fluid delta]

This is the way. 😄

[inner tapir]

yeah, that will probably be a...3-4 week long run to make it to 74, if i had to guess

[south escarp]

ok wait how am i supposed to rank up the ||horsehead nebula|| 3 times?

[amber canyon]

It's sad, but true. I'll carry on ignoring that in my game 🙂

[fluid delta]

Nah, not that long, since I presume you will buy a pile of nodes after you stop your current run

[inner tapir]

depending on how aggressively i ramp up into lvl 73 will dictate how soon i reboot...because i have ALOT of knowledge now for upgrades (17.55DD)

so for those clusters that cost 30CC each, i can chew through a good chunk

[inner tapir]

takes time

[south escarp]

dude i miss how fast ep 21 and ep 22 went by

[inner tapir]

lol awhile back they merged beta and production for beyond so my production account (no beta affiliation at all anymore) now has a fully completed lvl 29 in beyond for me

[amber canyon]

Best just to play for most efficient generators and pick up missions when they're easy.

Getting black holes will help - either using DW, or ranking top 10 in events.

[inner tapir]

i wonder if it will reset/disappear when it goes LIVE live

i also have all ||35 constellations|| maxed

[south escarp]

production account?

like a main account?

[inner tapir]

nah like when you turn beta on/off

i currently have off so i'm playing the official release that's in production

[south escarp]

when i play a beta i just

use my main account for it

[inner tapir]

as did i

[amber canyon]

Weird. How did they know they were both you?

I had the same though: my production account acquired the beta tag from my alpha account.

[south escarp]

i have to use pc for betas so

and i hate playing the main game on pc

[inner tapir]

i guess since it's steam on the same steam ID?

[south escarp]

so i just use my ipad

[inner tapir]

PC all the way for cells lol

[mellow carbon]

I'm curious how long my knowledge rate is going to keep going up. Days 7-9 ran at 30x the rate I had for the first 6 minutes after rebooting. I'm wondering if it will stop going up before I have enough for GE (which won't be worth rebooting for)

[amber canyon]

I guess.

[fluid delta]

ipad is a great cells experience, for sure. Just… no autoclicker, which is kindof a problem rn

[south escarp]

my 10 fingers can click faster than your fancy autoclicker

and its 100% natural

[fluid delta]

not for hours on end, it can’t

[inner tapir]

mine is set to click every millisecond indefinitely

[south escarp]

ok well afking overnight is for losers

[mellow carbon]

I wonder how much your electricity has to cost before it's worth buying the time boosts instead of autoclicking.

[inner tapir]

we call it strategic 😄

[fluid delta]

it’s explicitly permitted by the devs

[south escarp]

my parents call it "wasting money on data"

[fluid delta]

(autoclickers, that is)

[inner tapir]

it's called home internet...and i'm an adult that owns my own home, lol

[fluid delta]

I would hope you aren’t paying by the GB! If you are, get a different internet plan!

[inner tapir]

or just wifi lol

[pliant tinsel]

What is this?

[amber canyon]

Who knows. FWIW on 42_24 my metabits/knowledge are still climbing even though the crystals capped weeks ago. It didn't seem to change the growth rate (a bit tricky to see, cos I lost some data, but it Def didn't stall).

[pliant tinsel]

What it does?

[inner tapir]

oh man things turned sour eh

[south escarp]

lol

[amber canyon]

Ask in beta-chat?

[fluid delta]

chuckles

[south escarp]

im kidding

[pliant tinsel]

Ohh your right

But you know?

[south escarp]

i actually dont know

[fluid delta]

… if you don’t, you might want to find out quick. Cell plans were notorious for this.. maybe still are sometimes, not sure

[south escarp]

i think we pay for a huge sum of data

and when it fills up they have to pay

idk that much though

[fluid delta]

My (home) internet has no cap… but that’s pretty common in NA in 202..6, I think

[amber canyon]

Not in detail. Something to do with ||resetting your Beyond levels||.

[inner tapir]

im proud to have grown up through 28.8, 56k, T1, etc... up to what we have nowadays

[mellow carbon]

Metabits doesn't get enough fills between my measurements to get good statistics (it's noisy), but at least right now, it looks like if I wanted metabits, I'd be better off spam rebooting.

[inner tapir]

it's pretty nutty when you look back over the last 25 years what has happened to internet connectivity

[fluid delta]

I remember 300 baud, heh

My first modem was 1200 though

[south escarp]

unfamiliar phrase, please explain

[mellow carbon]

300 baud was fun, you could read faster than stuff would come through.

[inner tapir]

my very first interaction with the internet was 14.4

[amber canyon]

Probably. I'm pre- the Metabit nerf.

[fluid delta]

same with 1200.. but I do read fast

[south escarp]

unfamiliar phrase, please explain

[inner tapir]

old dial up internet days when we had to wait 9 minutes for a picture to load on a website

[south escarp]

unc

gollee

[fluid delta]

it’s called “baud” bc the pictures you could download were “baudy”. Get it? Get it????? 😄

[south escarp]

you might not get to play beyond ep 30

XD

[amber canyon]

Ah ... Dual-up ... Shudder.

[fluid delta]

… ok not really. cough.. ascii text was… not impressive

[inner tapir]

i remember playing quake 3 online with 350 ping and then my parents upgraded to "time warner cable road runner internet"...and i think it was 10M/1M down/up...and my ping was suddenly 50....THAT is when life changed lol

[fluid delta]

Yes. I went broadband around.. hmm… 1998? Trying to remember

[south escarp]

dang 50 ping is bad nowadays

[inner tapir]

exactly

[south escarp]

personally when im in a close server i can get under 25

[inner tapir]

but when 50 ping is 7 times faster than what you're used to, it's REAL fast

[fluid delta]

I’ve been using social media and meeting people online since almost forever though

[inner tapir]

taken out of context, this could land you in jail

[amber canyon]

I remember seeing people choose what they wanted to watch and just playing it and being astounded. They didn't have to worry about downloading it the day before or seeds or anything!

[fluid delta]

Heh. All RL interactions were fully legal.

[inner tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/take-a-seat-chris-hansen-gif-12085242

[south escarp]

i think the only thing ive done that is marginally nostalgic

was watch cartoon network on cable

[fluid delta]

pulls out a USENET receipt

[inner tapir]

old cable TV cartoons was chefs kiss

[fluid delta]

I never bothered with that.. never been much into tv. Talking to people online, on the other hand…

[south escarp]

i was like 4 though, i only have a few memories of it

[amber canyon]

Did you see MTV shut down it's 24/7 channels?

[inner tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/please-give-more-context-gif-22337965

[fluid delta]

(with exceptions, ofc. Babylon 5 was AMAZING, first run)

[inner tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/fell-down-gif-13305091974866666072

[amber canyon]

I haven't watched it for years ... But it defined an era.

[fluid delta]

Oh, let’s just say the 1990s for me were… entertaining. coughs and looks away

[inner tapir]

ironically MTV got away from all things music

[inner tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/the-s-impsons-bush-homer-simpsons-homer-hiding-gif-4325800

alright im gonna go play some cs2 and listen to some 14 year olds tell me about how they had sex with my mother

[amber canyon]

Heh. The 90s. Yes 😁.

[fluid delta]

Zero regrets. Ok, there was that one actual psychopath, but I navigated that successfully. No repercussions.

[south escarp]

hey wheres your sister?

i dont have a sister

oh, well you do now!

BAHAHAAH

[amber canyon]

I was also lucky 😁.

[fluid delta]

Awesome!!

[amber canyon]

If I - now - was advising young me though ... Young me wouldn't listen to the very sensible advice.

[fluid delta]

I’m not sure what advice I would give. Various things could have changed the course of my life in many unpredictable ways. I have very few regrets.

[amber canyon]

Yeah. My life coulda been very different, with different people, and in different countries, different job etc. I'd probably always have ended up remained nerdy though.

[fluid delta]

Yeah, I would have stayed nerdy as well, for sure

[burnt gust]

Phone restarted again due of ad being broken

[amber canyon]

There's bug reports about ad-crashes. Unlikely to be fixed until the next update though.

[fluid delta]

Getting into Rift MMO at launch was an awesome experience, too. Hence why I use a crop of one of my screencaps as my avatar here, and use my main’s character name

[amber canyon]

Some things def feel quite defining like that. Even though it could have been something different, if that makes sense?

[south escarp]

if i could say one thing to little boy me

dont kick that rock

[fluid delta]

yep!!

[amber canyon]

E.g. I had a great time playing canoe-water polo as a hobby for a few years. Because of one random interaction.

[compact birch]

Supposedly #1 to #11 in about 5 minutes 🤔🤣 ok.

[real zealot]

can someone give me some advice? It's going reaaaaal slow right now and it's taking forever to get to scientific Revolution?

[chilly fern]

i did a reset on 1/1 to see how the game plays from scratch. can anyone tell me when i get the autoclicker back?

[pliant tinsel]

@fluid delta

I'm tired

I continue tomorrow

[steep wasp]

If you're trying for scientific revolution, then it might be helpful to upgrade ancestral ascension to boost age of exploration (what i presume is your best idea generator right now). Doing events to get logits for augmentations may also help, as the boosts stack multiplicatively.

[real zealot]

Ahhh okay yeah that makes sense I'll give it a shot I'm still fairly new and strangely more addicted to this than any other game 😂 so thankyou

Any recommendations for the metabits side of things while I have 500k+

[steep wasp]

upgrading genesis genome should help a lot with generating entropy for some of the more expensive upgrades, as land generators are the best until really far into the late game.

[rapid falcon]

rock event is kinda hard lol
i dont have any badges for it

[vague merlin]

@quiet hornet I can't put this into bug reporting, but I have noticed that the upgrade for Jasper in the Crystal node in the "Set In Stone" exploration, it is 500k. The previous upgrade was 8k. It seems like a very excessive jump considering all other upgrades for other nodes was well spaced.

[inner tapir]

@fluid delta current sim is at 4d17h and im up to x76.5 on idea time chamber VI (max is 10,000)

so this should really start to inflate nicely over the next 2 weeks

[fluid delta]

Nice!! I’m at 5d13h, and TC VI is up to 140.98x for me atm! And yes, it should. I’m counting on it 🙂

[strange wing]

Yea this part is hard fr

The next upgrade cost 45 million iirc

Then jump up to 100 billion

1.2 qa for the last one

[neat fern]

odd question, is there a way to see the EXACT value of your metabits?

[fluid delta]

No, not that I’m aware of

[steel tinsel]

Ep.2 절지동물

Ep.3 식물

[fluid delta]

No idea what you are trying to convey. Perhaps post your Korean in #🌐-international if you wish to be understood?

[frigid adder]

Roadmap mentioned 🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥

(I presume they got their information from that one roadmap)

<@&535129309648781332> scammer

[desert flax]

more red flags popped up, he joined Discord yesterday and joined this server today

so most certainly a scammer

whenever I see a scammer I check their join dates

[frigid adder]

Like who the helly falling for that bro 😭

[desert flax]

real 🥀

[quiet hornet]

!ban 1456565366221312084 scammer

[desert flax]

it's taking a little while for them to be banned

[bright otter]

Banned benjamin24189 (Case #4157) (user notified with a direct message)

[quiet hornet]

[frigid adder]

🙏

[desert flax]

what the timing

[frigid adder]

Holy jinxed 🥀

[desert flax]

this is the first time I have gotten a reply from the council overseer (I did get one from sampe bc I thought the neutrino relic is proof of reality legend)

[frigid adder]

This is the second time I @ 'ed a mod and got someone banned (scammer and bigot)

[desert flax]

I have also got 2 people banned (scammer and acc seller)

maybe 3

that seller prolly joined the server around the time I did too

[dreamy echo]

ok but where's next level mindset 8

i found 1-7, 9, and 10, but not 8

[hollow lily]

Guys i have a question

[dreamy echo]

yeah

i gotta sleep but i might be able to answer

[hollow lily]

What do the dwarf stars in beyond do?

[dreamy echo]

oh, they're like lootboxes

they give cards, dark matter, sometimes constellation fragments?

mostly cards and dark matter

[hollow lily]

oh that makes more sense

Are you able to redo explore events?

[dreamy echo]

yes

you gotta wait for them to come back

they eventually do

but there's so many that it can take a while

there's like over 20 i think

[hollow lily]

Is the rock one new or old?

[dreamy echo]

and they dont have a set order

[dreamy echo]

yes

it depends on your perspective ig

it's pre reality reboot

[hollow lily]

oh

[dreamy echo]

before the alpha stages of that

so that could be considered old

[hollow lily]

well goodnight and thanks

[dreamy echo]

ig it released before the math event as well?

like last year 2024?

2024 is last year still please just a few more months
-# unironically though 2024 is still last year for me, it's too early in the year to say the entirety of 2025 was last year
-# early to maybe mid 2025? sure ig
-# but late 2025? hell no

anw it could also be considered new, since it's a late season 2 event

albeit the season system broke down at 2

so

[celest forum]

How many frogs will be added to the game from the contest?

Just one or the two?

[dreamy echo]

i think one

i dont think they would do two

there'll be at least one more round

[thick plover]

Any guide or help out there on how to fill out this section of the achievements please and thank you.

[frigid adder]

Search on the mountain in the terrestrial garden for a fox

Also search for a bird with rainbow feathers

[celest garnet]

In the land garden search for a island separated from the main one
There is a statue of Darwin; click on it to get an achievement

[desert flax]

also put code BEAGLE for a 25% discount on Darwin- wait, I meant get an achivement

[mellow carbon]

Search the web for cells to singularity achievements. I remember a guide to all of them.

[sage flower]

Where was that bird??

[thin notch]

Misclicked and bought this :/

[sage flower]

ISS is beautiful

[thin notch]

Was saving up for Narwhal 😔

[desert flax]

FINALLY

look at that boy

ONO HE IS EATING A FISH

[amber canyon]

The person you were replying to was posting a lot of data-mined stuff in beta-chat earlier btw.

[sinful cairn]

do u guys like my exploration hub set up

[desert flax]

do I do this or unified theory

[amber canyon]

UT? The next level things are underwhelming. And you can always pick them up in future when they're easy.

[desert flax]

so unified it is

[peak lily]

Is there an agreed-upon strategy as to utilise time crystals/chambers? Like should I sit on a reset a while longer to take advantage of it building up?

If I reset now I could afford a couple upgrades, but nothing particularly exciting

[amber canyon]

The meta is to spam-reboot until things get expensive/you get bored and then move to waiting.

The crystals and chambers are typically (not all) capping out after ~10 days, and really start having an effect a few days in to a wait.

[peak lily]

Fair, my current simulation is past 12 days and some of my Time thingys still aren't maxed out

[mellow wave]

Is it good to follow the suggested metabit upgrades? Or is it better to put them into like the boosters

[wraith terrace]

Erm... what are time crystals?

[amber canyon]

The nodes that affect Metabits/knowledge. The time chambers affect entropy/ideas.

[wraith terrace]

Not always good. But I don't really understand how all of them actually work.

[wraith terrace]

Ah, so... regular upgrade things, right?

[amber canyon]

They can be wildly inappropriate. Best to look at your earnings and work out which is best. Or just buy whatever you can - if you're rebooting often things will likely become cheap in a few reboots.

[amber canyon]

Normal Reality Engine nodes.

[wraith terrace]

Yeah, there's so many now, I really don't bother anymore to know them.

[amber canyon]

There aren't many that are worth distinguishing and thinking about tbh.

[wraith terrace]

Most give you incremental improvements for ridiculous prices

[quasi ivy]

herro

[amber canyon]

One of the things I'm not keen on about the post Reality Reboot engine. There's thousands of nodes. Adds busywork/complexity without any enjoying-the-game reward.

I prefer playing and aiming for specific generators/nodes not spamming.

[wraith terrace]

Yeah, but that was somewhat unavoidable. One of the goals of the whole update was to keep late-game players in the game, and that's how you do it- make enough end-game things nearly unattainable.

Honestly, there's hardly more complexity. The main question remains: is it better to speed up the entire simulation or the metabit generation

[tall mirage]

Umm what's the exact strat after rebooting? Literally buy nothing for 21 days or should u buy something

[amber canyon]

Yeah. Not working for me though. I've basically stopped playing. Still doing events and picking up free DW (for now) in case I start playing again.

I meant complicated-ness rather than complexity. If that helps make my thoughts clearer?

[wraith terrace]

I understand perfectly

[amber canyon]

For metabits/knowledge it seems like not playing is the answer. Would hurt your XP though.

[wraith terrace]

I'm still figuring that out. If I reboot now, it'll take days to get all my nodes back

[wraith terrace]

XP are soft-capped anyway. Look at how expensive l. 72 is

[tall mirage]

Not like that matters, a single or two RL is not changing anything

[tall mirage]

Yea well, a sim shouldn't last longer than 21 days anyways, so you'll see

[amber canyon]

Maybe I'll start once/if the Devs finish updates or the updates get far enough ahead of me that I'm not in a Red Queen race with the 'new' stuff.

[amber canyon]

Not with monthly updates, for sure.

[tall mirage]

Yup, esp with Jan update being Beyond 29

[wraith terrace]

That's one update I've been waiting for

I hope it's better than most of the later Beyond eps

[amber canyon]

And probably full of bugs. The beta testers have been ||struggling with the tool they're supposed to have to help test Beyond episodes||.

[wraith terrace]

I can't help but feel that there has been a fundamental flaw in some decission regarding the development.

[amber canyon]

Yeah ...

[wraith terrace]

Or maybe my perspective has changed

[tall mirage]

the dec update was just too rushed imo, needed more beta testing

[amber canyon]

I don't think most of the beta testers were beta testing. Just glitching to the end and then gloating about new shiny stuff.

[wraith terrace]

Rushed, oh well. An overhaul of the tech garden was more than overdue

[tall mirage]

lol

[wraith terrace]

That's what I've been saying for a long time

[amber canyon]

In alpha the stats page didn't exist, so we couldn't dissect the game or work out what was going on. In beta testing v few people seemed to care.

[tall mirage]

Yea, but I mean the bugs

[wraith terrace]

True

[amber canyon]

I've turned off beta-chat now
But it's 99% 'how do I get 'shiny thing'. Not 'how does this work?'

[tall mirage]

they just missing a beta tester like u

[wraith terrace]

What do you expect? After all, why work for free?

[amber canyon]

The bugs ... Imo the Devs shoulda waited for the whole RR, there were still LOTS of known bugs. And the monthly updates are too buggy for me. With basic flaws.

[dense viper]

Because they are hacking the game and showing it to the rest

[wraith terrace]

That's why I don't beta test. Because I would take it seriously

[amber canyon]

Lol. I'd need some feedback if so. V rare to get any feedback from the Devs about bugs.

[tall mirage]

yea, hopefully they aren't as buggy this year

[tall mirage]

That's true

[wraith terrace]

One way to somewhat dampen that would be to make beta files completely incompatible with released version and make it look somewhat differently

[dense viper]

They are using a "Game killer" I think

[amber canyon]

I have a feeling -given some of the bugs - that the Devs didn't properly[1] set up their new code for the game. So they've still got issues with config and still getting technical debt.

[1] By properly, I am aware that I work in a field with safety-critical software so my expectations of managing software are higher than an Indie app can deal with. But still...

Brb. Need coffee! Typos ...

[amber canyon]

See above. I don't think they set it up like that.

[wraith terrace]

They didn't. I've already seem ppl. talk about loading beta savegames into the released version. Wasn't impossible for everybody

[amber canyon]

Wasn't impossible at all. Same software. They don't seem to have tried. We regularly see players here asking stuff and they don't even know they're in beta... Smh ...

Would have been 'easy' to start with a beta/production split. Prob too hard/too much effort to implement now.

[wraith terrace]

I have no idea how coding is actually done. But I feel that a big update like the Reality Reboot would require basically rewriting everything you had

[wraith terrace]

Why? Beta progress should be temporary anyway

[amber canyon]

Yup. And getting the architecture and processes right at that point would have been great. Before they started writing code.

[amber canyon]

Why what? Sorry ...

[wraith terrace]

Why would it be too late to set up a new beta software

[amber canyon]

Cost/time/effort.

[wraith terrace]

I mean, I was in the open "beta" for the big update of Hades' Star and it was clear from the start that all your progress would be lost

In fact, there eventually was a reminder if it every time you started the app

[amber canyon]

They said that in beta. I think they only invoked it in (early) alpha versions.

But lots of stuff just didn't get tested. And the Devs aren't testing basic stuff ... As evidenced by e.g. the RL70 bug.

[white egret]

speaking on code, have you guys been getting lag when loading into the main sim?

[amber canyon]

I get freezing if I go back to it if it's open in the background now. For about 5-10 seconds.

[white egret]

im not one to speak since ive really never used unity or c# but some of the code they have is frightening to put it

[white egret]

everytime i load into a sim it takes a proper couple seconds to load, its worse for the main sim tho

[amber canyon]

Yeah. I've always had that lag. Has got worse though.

Buying generators in Meso has got noticeably laggier. Not tested in Beyond.

[white egret]

whenever i autoclick specifically on the generators in the main screen it lags

in the tab menu its fine

[white egret]

sorry this is a message from whatever higher power you believe in

[amber canyon]

I thought (can't remember why) they were trying to nerf auto-clickers. So they're less OP. Maybe it's part of that?

[white egret]

strange way to nerf them

why not just add cooldowns, i think its a problem with their code

[amber canyon]

Never used an auto-clicker. People used to say there was a max click rate built in to the game.

[amber canyon]

Wouldn't surprise me 😬

[white egret]

there could be but my autoclicker isnt powerful enough for some reason (macroRecorder)

[amber canyon]

Was maybe 50ms or something? Idk.

[sweet hedge]

hello celloids

[white egret]

so 20 cps? makes sense ig

[white egret]

👋

[amber canyon]

But people more recently have been saying that's not in place. Maybe what you're seeing is their attempt to do it?

[white egret]

idk how much can be asked of an indie studio to have good optimisation/coding practices but surely an idle game shouldnt lag?

[white egret]

oh no my autoclicker maxes out at 20cps outside the game so i just cant tell

[white egret]

idk what games could be made a comparison since something like cookie clicker is way simpler

[amber canyon]

And what with it being an idle game they may not have put much thought into autoclicker behaviours.

[white egret]

true that

my assumtion is that its recalculating your entire income everytime

[amber canyon]

Just a shame they accidentally turned it into a not-idle game

[white egret]

(something something money) but treating it as a mix of idle and incremental type games makes sense

wait holy shit trump has captured the Venezuelan president and his wife???

[amber canyon]

Yup. There's news.

[white egret]

i knew about the explosions but not this?

thats absurd

another 9 trillion to israel

[maiden wolf]

Yes Gicănotasaurus

[tall mirage]

avg day

Time to not buy amino acids for 21 days now

[white egret]

what is this strat

[tall mirage]

You start sim but don't buy any generator

for 21 days, wait for your time crystals to max out

this way you get max efficiency metabits/knowledge

[white egret]

i dont think that makes sense

[tall mirage]

The metabit/knowledge efficiency increase only applies to the future fills

[white egret]

oh its efficiency?

[tall mirage]

Yea

Basically if u wait 21 days, every fill of metabit will be 1000x more efficient

and your knowledge will be 1e6 more efficient

The disadv with this strat is, your RL XP will not move and be stagnant

[white egret]

only for the 21 days tho

[tall mirage]

Yea as soon as you're near/at the 21d mark, you buy all the generators quickly

And those 1500+ fills of metabit/knowledge will be way more
meaningful

[white egret]

im gonna need to see if this is true but thats funny asf

[amber canyon]

But if you're doing a long run, why not max Metabits/knowledge. Seems best to me.

[amber canyon]

It's true.

[white egret]

only if youre going the 8 years ig

but also it will?

[tall mirage]

Yea it works, we are not talking entropy Time chambers

We are talking Time Crystals

[white egret]

no i mean

yeah

[amber canyon]

... Not a healthy meta ... Imo

[tall mirage]

Yea, but this will be the best possible way to max metabits/knowledge with the constraints we got rn

Obviously not good for sure

[white egret]

but 👆 what if spam rebooting is better

[tall mirage]

Defeats the purpose of even playing

[tall mirage]

Then think of it as cost-benefit analysis

[white egret]

can in 21 days you gain *e6 on your exp

or something of that sort

[amber canyon]

We already know that spam rebooting is better up to a point.

[tall mirage]

I'm at e266 xp and need e282 exp to reach lvl 73

[white egret]

21 days is a long time tho, like i feel thats enough time for spam rebooting to be better

altho do we know why spam rebooting is better?

or right fill reqs are ~exp

[tall mirage]

It's better coz of capacitor nodes

[white egret]

(to be specific at certain amounts of fills, the exponent of the polynom that calculates the fill increases)

[white egret]

(this caps at 2000 iirc where it stays at a degree n poly)

[amber canyon]

Spam rebooting is better because you earn a lot of metabits/knowledge in the first 5-10 mins. Because of all the nodes that use numbers of stuff and the spam buying.

[white egret]

or so ive heard

[tall mirage]

🤔 interesting if it caps at 2000, but oh well I hover between 1500-1550 soo

[white egret]

the req polynom caps, you can have inf (int limit prob) fills

[tall mirage]

Yea I got that, but we defo some updates away from nearing the cap

[white egret]

true

hold on i need a word with some holy one

[amber canyon]

I think Lucifer did work out you could play games and get even more by letting your ad boost drain too. Can't remember the detail, or if still valid.

[tall mirage]

I just noticed you can't reboot without having 86 fills, weird that it's such a specific number

[white egret]

wdym you cant?

[amber canyon]

I think - for some people - it increments each reboot.

[white egret]

oh wait its not a polynom i have no idea what form this is

[tall mirage]

Shows me for that I need to fill my metabet meter 86 times before I can reboot lol

The reboot button is locked otherwise

[white egret]

like it says "get 86 fills" or sm? can u ss?

[tall mirage]

Yea

[white egret]

sorry its a product of increasingly more exps

[amber canyon]

A hilarious piece of UI design imo.

You can only see it when you can't reboot (cos you haven't restarted). And in most cases it disappears v quickly, so you don't see it when it's relevant.

[white egret]

thats so strange

[white egret]

ig for new players?

[tall mirage]

Yea lmaooo, would have NEVER noticed it if I never thought of trying this strat

[white egret]

oh i just realised why my desmos calculations didnt work

[amber canyon]

They get confused by it. At least those who've asked here are.

[tall mirage]

Is there an Entropy Tap XV?

[white egret]

the fills system is also kinda weird

[tall mirage]

Ah were you trying to calculate the required entropy for every fill?

[white egret]

yeah

[amber canyon]

I assume that's where e.g. the Metabit nerfing happened? Entropy to Metabits has always been weird.

[tall mirage]

so has xp/s

[white egret]

i read something like a^(x-b) as a*(x-b)

so ofc it failed

whats a product of exps called?

super exps?

ik slog

[tall mirage]

Just call it POE for short

[white egret]

itd be ~(a^(x-b))^n so ~a^n(x-b) so just a kind of exp

[white egret]

as far as im aware fills are the only things that use this formulae

[tall mirage]

I mean, not sure where else it could even be applicable

[white egret]

level exp? but that uses products of polys

[amber canyon]

Speaking of weirdness. Has anybody worked out any sensible use for the Refund option? And by sensible I mean considering that if you use it you have to re-buy 2000+ RE nodes one by one.

[white egret]

i saw a bug report that it also reduces your total

[tall mirage]

Yea, it's somehow related to entropy/s, idea/s and sim speed, but not sure how exactly, I mean just product would offset you by e4

[white egret]

oh ik hold on

[amber canyon]

I liked the answer from Sampe(?) which was along the lines of you shouldn't be using it (that way).

[white egret]

well i cant say but i can dm gimeamoment

its stupidly simple

[tall mirage]

just assumed it'd be useless to do so if we get an update like the dec one which pushed knowledge to such obscene amts, basically whatever buys we did at e16-17 for knowledge just turned to moot

[amber canyon]

Last time I checked I was only off by x0.8 - but that was 42_24 I think.

[tall mirage]

Aightt

[tall mirage]

I checked before rebooting and I was off by e4 again

[amber canyon]

There was XP stuff changed in the move to 42_68 wasn't there ...

[tall mirage]

could have been

[amber canyon]

Even in an extreme Knowledge/Metabit update bias ... You buy most nodes that affect those with the same currency. So it's not like you could e.g. spend Metabits to boost your Knowledge.

And the cost growth is extreme, so not much point in not buying many things.

I can only think of Research chips. Which is a bit meh ...

[white egret]

ok cool

[tall mirage]

No I meant that for knowledge due to dec update, there's no need to optimise because we defo bought them in the order that was needed and any under-utilization before that became moot

Same way, if there's an update for metabits in the future.... it'll be the same

[amber canyon]

I guess maybe if a specific garden became OP from an update. But cost growth ...

It's not like the land/ocean/primordial nodes have comparable costs iirc. Although that could be easily changed.

[tall mirage]

we see in febb

[weary pier]

👋

[rough axle]

hmm the bot removed their tag

[graceful kestrel]

👋

[rough axle]

is this a new one

ive lsot track at this point

honestly i should start blocking these

[dry cairn]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CellToSingularity/s/noy6is1Hfp
According to this reddit post, instead of buying nothing, they bought up to the Cytoplasm node after Eukaryotic Cell so they would have access to the daily mutation bonuses.

[tall mirage]

Oh otherwise u don't get the 25 dw every 14 days?

[dry cairn]

Correct

[tall mirage]

🤔 but buying anything would defeat the purpose of the strat won't it, esp since primordial is the main one for metabit

Knowledge would still be intact, but metabit won't

[dry cairn]

This person implied that buying only a few things isn't a noticeable penalty. Ive done zero testing myself 🤷‍♂️

[amber canyon]

Trying to get significant Metabits is flogging a dead horse atm isn't it?

Or maybe this is the use of refund!

[tall mirage]

🤔 I mean the no of fills should still exceed a 1000

Idk how they reached 21d again, unless they're from beta

[tall mirage]

🤔 that's true too

I mean about the significant metabits part

Idk how refund will work in here as you're sacrificing a significant portion of metabits imo

[dry cairn]

They didnt reset when the recent scientific revolution update came out.

If true, the optimal way to play is to buy nothing (or close to nothing) for a few weeks. I doubt this is what the devs intended.

[amber canyon]

Wouldn't you just wait to rebuy all the Metabit nodes that affect primordial gens just before you buy all the generators? You can buy any other nodes straightaway I think.

[tall mirage]

Yea pretty sure not their intention but let's see

If I buy upto cytoplasm, I instantly reach 1100 fills

And I get 1.9e16, now if I waited till day 21, I'd get 1e19

For the same 1117 fills

[amber canyon]

Lemme do a test on my spare device ... Brb

[tall mirage]

The funny thing is daily mutation is active even if u don't buy cytoplasm

[dry cairn]

Buying nothing is probably more optimal if you are willing to not have the daily mutations.

[tall mirage]

I just claimed my day 1 neutron star BEFORE having bought anything

Sorry i mean day 1 x50 currency for meso

[rough axle]

mutagen

[dry cairn]

They person in the Reddit post is able to buy GE now and none of us are anywhere near it yet.

[tall mirage]

I did buy earth and primordial soup tho as they don't affect anything

[tall mirage]

Yes thanks

[tall mirage]

Oh I clearly said that what he did won't affect his knowledge in any way whatsoever

Only his metabits will take a nosedive

[tall mirage]

...

[amber canyon]

Okay. I'm being dumb. But it has been a while. How do I restart again?

[dry cairn]

That you did. Ill take that as a sign that my brain needs food and its time to eat.

[tall mirage]

The upgrade Button should appear below the your RL at the top

[tall mirage]

yea food is always needed

[rough axle]

the big blue "start simulation" button that is not appearing for some reason

[amber canyon]

Oh. I needed to buy Entropy tap as well

[tall mirage]

funny thing is if peeps want to get GE as quickly as possible, they just put all research chips in idea

Your RL will take a hit, but it don't matter

[amber canyon]

Okay. Well the Metabit fills are low

[tall mirage]

Huh

You didn't buy all the Time chambers and time crystals did u?

[amber canyon]

Not yet. Summoning up oomph...

[tall mirage]

Lolll

[amber canyon]

Which do they branch off again?

[tall mirage]

lemme check

[amber canyon]

I'm re-buying all the knowledge side atm.

[tall mirage]

Idea Quadrupler for Crystals n CHambers

Same for Entropy

Oh, the no of required converter fills before you can reboot is decided by your no.of main sim resets

[fluid delta]

how so?

[amber canyon]

Except for Sepheria / steam users 🤷

[tall mirage]

Your sim number - 3 = No.of resets - 2 = no.of converter fills required before rebooting

[tall mirage]

🤔 It's diff for steam users?

[fluid delta]

Not for me. Last I looked, mine has remained a constant 3, and I have a LOT of reboots

[tall mirage]

oh interesting

[fluid delta]

No, I don’t think so?

[amber canyon]

By which you mean bug I take it?

[tall mirage]

I mean I'm at sim 90, I need 87 converter fills before I can reboot
When I was at sim 89, I needed 86

Yours is constant 3 like u mentioned

[fluid delta]

Heh. Well, I am very glad mine stays at 3 then. Again, since last I looked.

[amber canyon]

Mine converter fills til unlock increments every time I reboot (android(

[tall mirage]

Yea

[fluid delta]

It would explain how I was able to spam reboot so often. One bit that relates to my very high level!

[tall mirage]

I mean it doesn't really make a difference but yea, if someone's reboot number exceeded 1600, they'd technically never be able to reboot

[amber canyon]

Wonder how the Devs will address it ... Assuming they do.

[fluid delta]

My reboots are high enough that it would already be very annoying

[frigid adder]

If bio tree gets the same revamps as civ tree, I believe DNAs node should be cancer because cancer usually happens when DNA is broken

[tall mirage]

Nah, you can instantly reach 1100 fills as soon as you buy the first 2-3 generators so it's chill

Your reboots prolly don't even reach half of it

[fluid delta]

Oh ok

good to know

[tall mirage]

But the total no of fills for metabits definitely does not exceed 1600 for anyone, prolly not even 1570

[amber canyon]

@tall mirage Knowledge side all bought. Minimum Metabit side bought to get time nodes.

[fluid delta]

Did you restart today? Did you update to the latest version too?

[tall mirage]

🤔 interesting, so best strat would be: refund RE, buy out knowledge side, buy entropy only upto quadrupler for the time crystals/chambers, then buy upto cytoplasm and keep your fills to a minimum, reach day 21, buy out all nodes, then buy all your generators and watch your metabits/knowledge go brrr

What about all the badge nodes?

[amber canyon]

Nope and nope. Just doing a test re the not-buying anything strat.

[amber canyon]

I think you could buy anything that didn't substantially affect the metabit income arising from 1x amino acid, 1x DNA, 1xprokaryotic and 1xEukaryotic ...

... I imagine not buying any PP would be a good start 😁.

[tall mirage]

🤔 Yea that's there too

Rather I don't wanna touch any nodes that increase entropy AND metabits income unless I don't have to get the sim going

[amber canyon]

But it's going to be a balance I guess. Buy whatever knowledge nodes you want (because no knowledge gens). And anything else that affects both sides if you feel its worth it.

You have to buy the v first PP though.

[tall mirage]

All this is in case I refund my RE yea?

[amber canyon]

At least it's a use for refund 😐

[tall mirage]

I'm gonna take the LAZIEST route and keep all my RE nodes intact and buy out only primordial soup and earth

[amber canyon]

I did get bored rebuying all the orange nodes ...

[tall mirage]

But yea, with refund, you effectively stated the best strat for current update while maximising gains and minimising losses (which should be the 25 DW every 2 weeks)

ALthough I do believe that you get daily mutation rewards irrespective if you buy cytoplasm or not

[amber canyon]

And tbh, after the first refund it costs you 10DW. So...

Daily mutation button didn't appear until I bought cytoplasm.

[tall mirage]

yea the button doesn't appear, but I still got daily reward

lemme explain, I rebooted 3 hrs ago (only bough earth & primordial soup), then when I logged in an hr ago, I got my daily reward of 50 mutagen (reward for day 1)

shouldn't be possible if I never bought cytoplasm

[amber canyon]

In which case, refunding is back to being useless 🫠. Ah well.

[tall mirage]

I need to check it tomorrow same time to see

if I still get it, then ..... unfortunately yea

would be funny if it's stuck on a loop of day 1 rewards

[amber canyon]

Well unfortunately ... But at least the best playing-long strat might not involve manually rebuying 2000+ RE nodes 😁

[amber canyon]

If so, then ofc we'd need to check if it could happen to be stuck on day 14 rewards ... Obvs.

[tall mirage]

If I could unbuy cytoplasm on day 14 w/o rebooting, I'd do it

[amber canyon]

My 42_68 file is on day 4 ...

[tall mirage]

inf daily glitch of 25 DW incomingg

[amber canyon]

Def worth a little bit of an investigate 😁.

[tall mirage]

would be incredibly funny if this happened to someone

[amber canyon]

It's gonna be close if it's invoked on e.g. Sepheria? In a few updates for sure.

[tall mirage]

indeeed

[tall mirage]

Yea if the bug is never fixed....

[amber canyon]

As long as it stays at 3. And it is 3, not just a visual bug.

[tall mirage]

yea lol

[fluid delta]

In theory, now that I'm aware, etc... but then again, if it stays at 3, I won't be complaining 🙂

[dry cairn]

@fluid delta willing to disclose how many reboots you've done? I predict you have done 10x what I have 😅

[lofty galleon]

I am not dead

[fluid delta]

Sure! I will look. First though: are you at least 100?

[dry cairn]

Under 100

Thought it would be interesting because I assume you have done more than average and I assume im less than average at 45.

[fluid delta]

Oh ok. Well... I'm on reboot 709

[rough axle]

https://tenor.com/view/police-coco-jaw-drop-skeleton-shocked-gif-15485742

[spark shard]

Thats a lot.

[fluid delta]

It is

[amber canyon]

I thought it would be more 🫠

[fluid delta]

lol really?

[amber canyon]

Just thinking of the auto-clicker 5-10 min reboot thing for a month or so. No effort made to estimate beyond 'lots'.

[rough axle]

I wanna progress but I don’t wanna wait for these to fill up :dies:

[ripe nest]

haven't played this game in years, there is so much new stuff 😭

[fluid delta]

Yes, well, I'm in a holding pattern too, waiting for the "Time Chamber magic" to do it's thing, heh

[spark shard]

I wish my progress didn't reset after the Reality Reboot, did that happen to everyone?

[dry cairn]

My 742 badges to 45 resets is probably an anomaly in the other direction. Quite different playstyle.

[ripe nest]

can someone explain the green currency

[amber canyon]

This might help? #📢-announcements message

Wait ... Green?

[amber canyon]

You were supposed to get ported over. Did yours reset?

[spark shard]

Ported to what? I just got reset

[amber canyon]

After the Reality Reboot happened there was a whole thing. I arrived in the new world at RL 52 and with all my DW and logit purchases.

[spark shard]

oh

[amber canyon]

This, here. #📢-announcements message

[rough axle]

AAAAA

[fluid delta]

hmm?

[rough axle]

only 1/5 of the way there

[spark shard]

Sorry, what do I go to to like get my progress back or smt because I had alot of progress.

[rough axle]

just ended an 11d simulation

[amber canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-gonna-need-a-bigger-boat-youre-gonna-need-a-bigger-ship-we-need-a-bigger-boat-this-boat-is-not-big-enough-wide-eyes-gif-17329789

[fluid delta]

that's your beta account, ofc

not the restart you've been playing recently

[rough axle]

correct

[fluid delta]

but yeah, it's a big hill to climb, GE is

[tall mirage]

should have waited till day 21.......

[rough axle]

dont worry im gonna do the "wait in an empty simulation" trick here too

[fluid delta]

"wait in an empty simulation" trick?

[tall mirage]

oh lol like me, I got 20d 23hr left so enjoy

[amber canyon]

I don't know tbh.

Were you logged in with your cells account before the Reboot? If you look in your save manager local saves can you see a Pre-Reboot one? That does the porting afaik.

[tall mirage]

only buying earth + primordial soup and letting your time crystals max

[fluid delta]

why would that help?

[rough axle]

the metabit/knowledge time crystals dont affect conversions youve already made, so waiting in an empty simulation before creating any currnency gets maximum value

[tall mirage]

Because of knowledge efficiency from the time crystals, if you wait till day 21, then every fill of your knowledge cycle will be 1e6 (1000x1000) times more efficient

[fluid delta]

ooooh! I see!

[amber canyon]

@spark shard Like this

[fluid delta]

But.. should I then restart my 6d run now? Like, would it be advantageous?

[tall mirage]

🤔 It should be yes, as long as you don't mind NOT playing for that time period

[rough axle]

is it a little counterintuative that the best endgame strategy is literally not doing anything for almost a month, but thats how it works

[tall mirage]

You don't really have to wait till day 21 as well, could wait until let's say day 13 or smth when your knowledge time crystals are (100x100) = 1e4

[fluid delta]

How much better would it be, compared to now?

[spark shard]

thx

[tall mirage]

Yup, atleast until they make changes

[tall mirage]

What are your current no.of fills

🤔 Ok lemme explain in terms of outcome, if you reboot rn, don't do anything for 21 days, then buy out all the generators, you should have enough knowledge to buy GE

[amber canyon]

It was enough for me to get a bit pissy and choose to lose ~5 days of progress when I realised.

[fluid delta]

1692 fills

[tall mirage]

Yea, pretty sure you'd be better off rebooting then if goal is to buy GE

[fluid delta]

It is. Alright, you have persuaded me. I'll do it.

[tall mirage]

I mean we do have proof of someone doing it, but they bought until daily mutation (aka the first 4 generators)

DOing this is also fine, as long as you don't mind a huge dip in metabit accumulation

[fluid delta]

Nah, it's good. I'm going to try this thing, and.. I'll see what happens 🙂 .. but I do need a single generator going, right? The first one? Or.. none? I'm a little unclear on that.

[tall mirage]

None works, I only bought earth and primordial soup

and just waiting

[fluid delta]

got it!

[tall mirage]

The only reason you'd buy generators is to "unlock" daily mutation which gives u 25 every 2 weeks

[tall mirage]

but I noticed this...., so little unclear of what's gonna happen

[rough axle]

so i made a backup of my save and cheated time travelled a month into the future... and WOW is it worth it

i can buy GE TEN TIMES OVER

[tall mirage]

Yea thought so

Your knowledge is literally 1e6 more efficient

What about metabits

[rough axle]

currently at ~1.2e25

or 12 dd for you custom users

[tall mirage]

Can you try out another thing?

[rough axle]

sure

[tall mirage]

Basically reboot a simulation, buy the first 4 generators and unlock cytoplasm (it gives you daily mutation)

And then time travel into the future and see how many metabits you got?

[rough axle]

ok

oh cool i dont need to reboot the game for it to take effect

[tall mirage]

oh yea lol

[tall mirage]

@fluid delta if u had any shred of doubt left